US History According to Creationists and Theocrats in Texas

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If you thought it was bad when the Texas State Board of Education tossed Thomas Jefferson out of the new social studies curricula, just wait … because you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. The religious fanatics led by creationist dentist Don McLeroy were only getting started. The Texas Freedom Network lists some of McLeroy’s newly proposed revisions of American history: It Gets Even Worse on Social Studies.

· Add a standard to the eighth-grade U.S. history course that maintains separation of church and state was not the intent of the Founders who drafted the Constitution and Bill of Rights: “Contrast the Founders’ intent relative to the wording of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause, with the popular term ‘Separation of church and state.’”

· Strike from a standard in the high school U.S. history course a 1948 court decision, Delgado v. Bastrop ISD, that barred segregation of students of Mexican descent in Texas public schools. McLeroy proposes replacing that decision with 2009 Supreme Court employment discrimination decision involving white firefighters in Connecticut (Ricci v. DeStefano) and a 2005 decision dealing with the government’s powers of eminent domain (Kelo v. City of New London).

· Change a high school U.S. history standard to downplay the positive impact of Progressive Era reforms and suggest that the work of the era’s reformers like Upton Sinclair, Susan B. Anthony, Ida B. Wells and W.E.B. DuBois created a negative portrayal of America.

· Add a standard to high school U.S. history requiring students to “evaluate efforts by global organizations to undermine U.S. sovereignty.”

· Add a standard to high school U.S. history having students “discuss alternatives regarding long term entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare, given the decreasing worker to retiree ratio.”

Bad craziness is running rampant in Texas.

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235 comments
1 Summer Seale  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:39:34pm

Here we go again.

Texas is kicking and screaming as they try to drag us back to the Middle Ages.

2 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:41:03pm
Add a standard to high school U.S. history having students “discuss alternatives regarding long term entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare, given the decreasing worker to retiree ratio.”

Yeah, I expect high school students to have a meaningful and cogent discussion on these topics. Nothing political to see here...

3 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:41:40pm

Fortunately, McLeroy is no longer in that position, though it remains to be seen if the collective IQ of the BoE has increased.

4 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:44:21pm

there has been recent evidence that Crockett was actually crucified at the Alamo

5 freetoken  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:44:57pm

re: #3 allegro

Unfortunately the new board doesn't take over until this old board has run it's disastrous course.

6 Renaissance_Man  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:49:23pm
· Add a standard to the eighth-grade U.S. history course that maintains separation of church and state was not the intent of the Founders who drafted the Constitution and Bill of Rights: “Contrast the Founders’ intent relative to the wording of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause, with the popular term ‘Separation of church and state.’”

Blatant history revisionism. Unbelievable.

· Add a standard to high school U.S. history requiring students to “evaluate efforts by global organizations to undermine U.S. sovereignty.”

Jesus tapdancing Christ.

'Foreigners: Threat or Menace?'

Booga booga.

7 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:50:28pm

re: #4 albusteve

there has been recent evidence that Crockett was actually crucified at the Alamo

And that Daniel Boone was actually a Bigfoot.

Amazing what you can learn on the Net.

8 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:51:26pm

That's the first time I've ever hiccuped here. Strange.

9 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:51:34pm

re: #6 Renaissance_Man

Jesus tapdancing Christ.

'Foreigners: Threat or Menace?'

Booga booga.

Okay, now I'm starting to picture wingnuts as J. Jonah Jameson and lemme tell you it is hilarious!

10 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:51:44pm

re: #7 ryannon

And that Daniel Boone was actually a Bigfoot.

Amazing what you can learn on the Net.

Boone was 5'6"
Smallfoot

11 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:53:20pm

Imminent domain.

12 andres  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:53:55pm

re: #3 allegro

Well, I believe it can't decrease any more...

13 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:54:00pm

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Imminent domain.

yep...buckle up for the ride

14 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:54:21pm

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Imminent domain.

Collective girding of the loins.

15 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:55:03pm

re: #12 andres

Well, I believe it can't decrease any more...

I no longer make such statements. Every time I have, someone comes along to prove that it can get worse.

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:56:13pm

I would like to comment at this time that I believe the State of California to have an excellent set of Social Studies standards.

17 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:56:28pm

How about this one?

Add a standard to high school world history requiring students to “evaluate efforts by U.S. organizations to undermine international sovereignty.”

Think that would fly?

//

18 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:57:26pm

Interesting topic... where should I start?

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:58:19pm

KINDERGARTEN:

K.1 Students understand that being a good citizen involves acting in certain ways.
1. Follow rules, such as sharing and taking turns, and know the consequences of breaking
them.
2. Learn examples of honesty, courage, determination, individual responsibility, and patriotism in American and world history from stories and folklore.
3. Know beliefs and related behaviors of characters in stories from times past and understand the consequences of the characters’ actions.

K.2 Students recognize national and state symbols and icons such as the national and state flags, the bald eagle, and the Statue of Liberty.

20 Renaissance_Man  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:58:34pm

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

Interesting topic... where should I start?

You could do something unusual and pick someone to start a fight with.

21 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:59:24pm

re: #20 Renaissance_Man

You could do something unusual and pick someone to start a fight with.

Are you volunteering?

22 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:59:25pm

re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist

Can we make those requisites for those sitting on BoE? Please?

23 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 2:59:31pm

Of the idiots, by the idiots, and for the idiots.

24 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:00:23pm

re: #21 Walter L. Newton

Are you volunteering?

I hope so

25 Renaissance_Man  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:01:00pm

re: #21 Walter L. Newton

Are you volunteering?

Oh, not me - I only like to fight over the internet about really trivial things.

26 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:01:45pm

re: #25 Renaissance_Man

Oh, not me - I only like to fight over the internet about really trivial things.

you're trivial...go for it

27 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:02:23pm

re: #21 Walter L. Newton

Are you volunteering?

re: #20 Renaissance_Man

You could do something unusual and pick someone to start a fight with.

re: #24 albusteve

I hope so

Unfortunately, I have to leave for work in an hour, so I don't want to get into something that I would have to leave hanging... so I'll just hang around a drop in my occasionally annoying pithy comments and snarks.

And hour of light fun before going to work.

28 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:02:45pm

"Impossible to parody" is becoming a cliché with these numskulls.

29 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:03:24pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

Unfortunately, I have to leave for work in an hour, so I don't want to get into something that I would have to leave hanging... so I'll just hang around a drop in my occasionally annoying pithy comments and snarks.

And hour of light fun before going to work.

pith off then...I enjoy the results

30 freetoken  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:03:48pm

re: #23 Cato the Elder

Of the idiots, by the idiots, and for the idiots.


Of the idiots, by the idiots, and for the idiots, under God.
31 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:05:52pm

re: #30 freetoken

do me O Lord!

32 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:05:58pm

They shall not perish from the earth.

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:07:08pm

re: #32 Cato the Elder

They shall not perish from the earth.

No matter how we try.

34 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:09:10pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

No matter how we try.

No matter how you shake and dance...

The last few drops go down your pants.

35 wrenchwench  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:10:54pm

Maybe this was covered in a previous post. They also want to insert the word "eugenics" next to the words "social Darwinism".

RECOMMENDED CHANGE [.pdf of the recommendations]
A) analyze causes and effects of events and social issues , such as immigration, Social Darwinism, eugenics, race relations, nativism, the Red Scare, Prohibition, and the changing role of women; and

Then it has the "JUSTIFICATION" paragraph, which consists of a description of the book War Against the Weak, by Edward Black, 2003. But wait! The author's name is actually Edwin, not Edward. Where else is that mistake made? Lew Rockwell dot com. [Link is to cache]. Just a coincidence, I'm certain.

36 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:11:33pm

Hello my scaly friends.

I just had friends over, been drinking lots of beer, and cheated on my smoking for the 1st time since April 1st. I feel a little bad about it but I know it won't keep me from not smoking. It was just an alcohol related incident.

Did I miss anything?

37 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:13:06pm

How do these people deal with the fact that Thomas Jefferson was one of the founders?

Oh, that's right, they just replace him with some other guy.

Next up, petition from the Texas congressional delegation to replace the face of Jefferson on Mt. Rushmore with that of Chimpy McShrub.

Wait, what?

38 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:14:46pm

re: #28 Nimed

"Impossible to parody" is becoming a cliché with these numskulls.

Actually, (and this is going to sound odd), but I don't have any problem with the Texas folks taking these stances, or even getting the results they are looking for, as they have recently.

Hell, it's their state, it's evident that this is passable with the majority of the citizens, or else we would be hearing a much bigger outrage internally from the citizens of Texas. Nobody got elected or put into a position if this sort of stuff didn't represent the people at the grass roots level. I don't think these school board members got their jobs under false pretenses or something like that.

For those citizens of Texas that don't like this stuff, get to work, there are always elections around the corner, hell, it's a blood sport now a days, politics and elections. Or leave, leave the state, go someplace where the majority politics suit your political views.

Even though it doesn't seem like there is much of a silver lining in any of this, there really is. These uneducated siblings of the State of Texas will not be able to obtain meaningful work. Texas will start loosing out in areas of math and science, hell, maybe these half wits coming out of the Texas school system can take all those "jobs that Americans are unwilling to work" since Texas will probably at some point try to legislate it's Hispanic population out of existence.

I'm getting to the point of agreeing that Texas deserves all the shit they are stirring up for themselves. Maybe the quicker they move this along, the sooner they will just become a wasteland of idiocy and the rest of the country can move forward.

39 stevemcg  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:15:08pm

re: #36 NJDhockeyfan

Don't understate that smoke. I can't tell you how many times I heard "It was just one".

40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:15:57pm

re: #37 Cato the Elder

Well, they have a goal of 100,000 signees of the online petition.

So far? 214.

I wouldn't worry too much.

41 Virginia Plain  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:16:51pm
Change a high school U.S. history standard to downplay the positive impact of Progressive Era reforms and suggest that the work of the era’s reformers like Upton Sinclair, Susan B. Anthony, Ida B. Wells and W.E.B. DuBois created a negative portrayal of America.

No they made things better.

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:16:57pm

re: #36 NJDhockeyfan

Quit FAIL!

43 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:17:26pm

re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, they have a goal of 100,000 signees of the online petition.

So far? 214.

I wouldn't worry too much.

I'm pretty sure a motion to just blast that heathen Jefferson's face off the mountain would get a great deal more support.

44 ryannon  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:17:30pm

re: #36 NJDhockeyfan

Hello my scaly friends.

I just had friends over, been drinking lots of beer, and cheated on my smoking for the 1st time since April 1st. I feel a little bad about it but I know it won't keep me from not smoking. It was just an alcohol related incident.

Did I miss anything?

Not a whole lot.

Cigarette?

45 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:17:31pm

re: #41 Virginia Plain

No they made things better.

Yeah, I like my meat inspected.

46 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:17:49pm

re: #39 stevemcg

Don't understate that smoke. I can't tell you how many times I heard "It was just one".

It was just two. I have a pack in my shed still but have no craving to spark one up. I am not too concerned yet.

47 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:19:16pm

re: #46 NJDhockeyfan

It was just two. I have a pack in my shed still but have no craving to spark one up. I am not too concerned yet.

At $8 a pack I think these things are going to be the new seeds.

48 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:19:52pm
Change a high school U.S. history standard to downplay the positive impact of Progressive Era reforms and suggest that the work of the era’s reformers like Upton Sinclair, Susan B. Anthony, Ida B. Wells and W.E.B. DuBois created a negative portrayal of America.

The America that these people want back can go get skullfucked.

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:20:39pm

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

Walter? Hi!

I heard a news story on Fox (believe it or not)... One of the things that comes out of this... is with California's budgetary problems, the State of Texas (by far) is the largest purchaser of Textbooks... What publishers print for Texas, because of economies of scale, makes those schoolbooks much less expensive for other states.

It is far less expensive to print one copy of five million textbooks than it is to print one copy of three million, two million, etc.

50 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:21:07pm

re: #45 JasonA

Yeah, I like my meat inspected.

That kinda came out wrong.

51 Renaissance_Man  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:22:22pm

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

While you're basically right, I'm not sure there's actually that much of a downside for the average child of this sort of education system.

Will they have a totally inaccurate and ridiculous view of history, current events, and foreign relations? Yes. Will they not understand biology or science? Yes. Will they see everything through the distorted prism of far right politics? Sure. Will they be insufferably nativist, backwards, and self-righteous? Probably. Will they lack critical thinking skills? Absolutely.

But will any of that severely impact or retard their lives very much? I don't think so.

Being an utter idiot and a politically extreme nutjob doesn't mean you won't find an excellent job in many fields. Alienating everyone who doesn't attend the same church as you or share the same culture as you doesn't make a big difference in your life if you never travel or talk to anyone outside your limited world. Lacking critical thinking skills doesn't mean much if you're happy having your opinions given to you.

Unfortunately, I don't see much of a downside for those who are indoctrinated in this fashion. For the rest of us who have to deal with these culties, that's another matter.

52 Big Steve  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:22:52pm

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

I think the concern here is not that Texas is "stirring up shit" for itself, it is that Texas, by dint of being large AND having a central curriculum bode (the SBOE) influences text books for the entire nation.

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:23:06pm

re: #43 Cato the Elder

Went to Monticello once. Was incredibly interesting.

Son of a gun was brilliant. Probably the smartest man of the founding bunch.

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:23:43pm

re: #41 Virginia Plain

No they made things better.

Jesus, you can say that again! IDA B. WELLS? They're against IDA B. WELLS?

God should only smack them across their cutesy smart mouths.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:23:59pm

re: #45 JasonA

Yeah, I like my meat inspected.

I like voting!

56 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:24:36pm

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

For the same reason, I am against fuel conservation.

Seriously.

No matter how much people piss and moan about oil spills and Arabs, we will never move to alternative energy until the shit is either used up or costs $50,000 a barrel.

Never.

Use it, lose it, and find something else.

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:25:18pm

re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Went to Monticello once. Was incredibly interesting.

Son of a gun was brilliant. Probably the smartest man of the founding bunch.

Brilliant, tragically flawed, decidedly interesting...I identify far more with his dear old rival, Adams, but Jefferson fascinates me--probably for the same reason he fascinated Adams.

58 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:25:59pm

'Say nothing' culture makes Ireland an Islamic extremists' safe haven

Ireland is a hotbed of Islamic extremism. Shocking, right? Of course it is. However, that's the view of Imam Ali Al-Saleh, who is the head of Ireland's biggest Mosque, the Islamic Cultural Centre in Dublin {photo}.

Speaking to the Sunday Tribune newspaper Al-Saleh said many of the extremists came to Ireland as asylum seekers and now their children are becoming adults, taking over university societies, brainwashing other students. These "indigenous" extremists are being bolstered by students from the Middle East.

This may explain why American Jamie Paulin-Ramirez came to Ireland after she told Colleen LaRose (aka Jihad Jane) in an e-mail that she would like to join her in Europe at a place that would be both a jihadist "training camp" and home. As Al-Saleh puts it, Ireland is an extremist "safe haven" and an al Qaeda "base."

Yet, unlike France, Britain, Holland and other European countries, Ireland does not have a large Muslim population. Ireland has no colonial legacy among the Islamic nations - there is no Irish equivalent to Algeria, Pakistan, Indonesia or any ex-colony among the Muslim nations.

There are only 30, 000 or so Muslims in Ireland (approx .75% of the population) and no areas where they live in large numbers. There is no Irish equivalent to Marseilles, Bradford or Detroit. Muslims are, as Al-Saleh says, "an integrated part of Irish society."

There are no Muslim neighborhoods teeming with loads of innocent Muslims just trying to fit in and get by, amongst whom extremists can hide, using the innocent mass of Muslims as a shield. So where are Ireland's Islamic extremists hiding? In plain sight, it seems.

59 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:26:01pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

Jesus, you can say that again! IDA B. WELLS? They're against IDA B. WELLS?

Because lynching created such a positive portrayal of the U.S...

60 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:26:20pm

BBL

61 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:27:09pm

re: #50 Cato the Elder

That kinda came out wrong.

Actually, I covered all my bases with that sentence.

62 Virginia Plain  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:28:24pm

re: #59 allegro

Because lynching created such a positive portrayal of the U.S...

Those Texas fools probably wouldn't mind a return of lynching.

63 Virginia Plain  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:29:12pm

re: #62 Virginia Plain

"to" lynching I mean.

64 goddamnedfrank  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:29:15pm

re: #49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Walter? Hi!

I heard a news story on Fox (believe it or not)... One of the things that comes out of this... is with California's budgetary problems, the State of Texas (by far) is the largest purchaser of Textbooks... What publishers print for Texas, because of economies of scale, makes those schoolbooks much less expensive for other states.

It is far less expensive to print one copy of five million textbooks than it is to print one copy of three million, two million, etc.

All that used to be true before the switchover to digital presses and pre-press techniques. Now publishers can cheaply sub and swap modules to tailor their products for each state. Texas isn't nearly as important as it used to be in this regard, Fox is selling people on the importance of an antiquated paradigm.

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:29:37pm

re: #59 allegro

Because lynching created such a positive portrayal of the U.S...

Classic logic of an abusive family. It's not the abuser who gives us a bad name, it's the one who names the abuse.

Feh.

66 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:29:37pm

re: #59 allegro

Because lynching created such a positive portrayal of the U.S...

You've got it all wrong. She gave America a bad image by covering the lynching. See how this works?

67 Bob Levin  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:30:32pm

This isn't the first time people have tried to change history to suit their particular political desires. It seems to be standard procedure everywhere you look.

Spencer Tracy's summation at the end of Judgment at Nuremberg is particular relevant and poignant--as Maximilian Schell successfully created the slippery slope of Nazi Germany in defense of the accused. Tracy puts an end to it--This is what we stand for: truth, justice, and the value of a single human life.

And we'd better stand for these principles.

68 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:30:42pm

re: #52 Big Steve

I think the concern here is not that Texas is "stirring up shit" for itself, it is that Texas, by dint of being large AND having a central curriculum bode (the SBOE) influences text books for the entire nation.

Any state that doesn't want that shit in their schoolbooks can easily request that it be taken out. Printing and publication cost and capabilities are much simpler now... a publisher is not going to loose such large amounts of money if other states balk.

I may be wrong, I know that's the way it use to be, but now, it should be a snap for a state to request or require a text book follow the constraints of that states school board decisions.

Do you have a link to any information about how the books are published now a days, and if you concern is really still a concern anymore?

I'm curious.

69 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:31:22pm

re: #62 Virginia Plain

Those Texas fools probably wouldn't mind a return of lynching.

all those Texas fools, a murderous bunch eh?...murder
who's the fool?

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:31:32pm

re: #66 JasonA

You've got it all wrong. She gave America a bad image by covering the lynching. See how this works?

And if African-Americans had just worked hard, and kept their heads down, sooner or later lynching would have just gone away. Instead, they had to get all radical...

It's true about it getting hard to parody. I'm trying for dripping sarcasm here, but I have a terrible feeling I'm just saying exactly what some folks think.

71 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:32:19pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

And if African-Americans had just worked hard, and kept their heads down, sooner or later lynching would have just gone away. Instead, they had to get all radical...

It's true about it getting hard to parody. I'm trying for dripping sarcasm here, but I have a terrible feeling I'm just saying exactly what some folks think.

Poor Stephen Colbert has become obsolete.

72 Virginia Plain  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:33:28pm

re: #71 JasonA

He ceased to be funny when this kind of stuff became mainstream on Fox News.

73 engineer cat  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:34:15pm

current fox news front page

High Hopes for Oil Siphon
Attempt — But Will It Work?

Amid snags and setbacks, BP expects to deploy mile-long tube to divert oil spewing into Gulf of Mexico %P% VIDEO
• Experts Can't Agree if Size of Oil Spill Matters Now
• BP Boss Says Gulf Oil Spill 'Tiny' Compared to Ocean

74 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:36:05pm

Economies of scale are for lizards.

The fact that other states will buy the drivel that Texas prints because it's cheaper shows just how low a priority education is in this country full of hypocrites.

75 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:36:30pm

re: #73 engineer dog

BP Boss Says Gulf Oil Spill 'Tiny' Compared to Ocean

And the amount of cyanide in that capsule is tiny compared to a guy's body weight. No problem.

76 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:36:48pm

re: #49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Walter? Hi!

I heard a news story on Fox (believe it or not)... One of the things that comes out of this... is with California's budgetary problems, the State of Texas (by far) is the largest purchaser of Textbooks... What publishers print for Texas, because of economies of scale, makes those schoolbooks much less expensive for other states.

It is far less expensive to print one copy of five million textbooks than it is to print one copy of three million, two million, etc.

Maybe... I can't find any direct references to how that works now a days, I'm not sure if that is really accurate information from Fox. Hell, if someone wanted to print a cookbook, one based on recipes from a blog, they could do it now a days one copy at a time, and make changes in the middle of a publication run, make changes in minutes.

I've heard it's been done somewhere.

77 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:38:45pm

re: #75 allegro

And the amount of cyanide in that capsule is tiny compared to a guy's body weight. No problem.

I think it'll be a while before I have the courage to eat anything that comes that gulf.

78 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:38:58pm

re: #77 JasonA

I think it'll be a while before I have the courage to eat anything that comes out of that gulf.

79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:39:42pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

Frank straightened me out on that. Thanks.

80 Olsonist  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:40:04pm

I thought the One Star State was going to secede.

81 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:40:17pm

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Frank straightened me out on that. Thanks.

Well... goddamn it...

82 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:41:06pm

re: #77 JasonA

I think it'll be a while before I have the courage to eat anything that comes that gulf.

The tons of dispersants that are being dumped in the Gulf are as much of a concern as the oil. Most of them are toxic as hell and no one really knows what's being dumped out there.

83 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:42:15pm

re: #82 allegro

The tons of dispersants that are being dumped in the Gulf are as much of a concern as the oil. Most of them are toxic as hell and no one really knows what's being dumped out there.

Well thank the heavens all those fisherman can now get jobs cleaning oil off of birds.

84 Virginia Plain  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:43:16pm

Don't you hate it when you have to either pre-authorize ER visits or get charged a lot more because an ER is out-of-network? Well a new law has fixed that for now: Health law provides protection for Emergency Room patients.

85 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:43:18pm

re: #83 JasonA

Well thank the heavens all those fisherman can now get jobs cleaning oil off of birds.

Unfortunately, that's mostly left to volunteers. I have 3 teams standing by waiting to hit the beaches when called on.

86 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:45:54pm

Soooo....This is standards for brainwashing class?
anti-education?

87 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:48:08pm

re: #85 allegro

Unfortunately, that's mostly left to volunteers. I have 3 teams standing by waiting to hit the beaches when called on.

Oh. Nice to know BP's responsible for all the clean-up...

88 Liberal Classic  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:49:14pm

re: #1 Summer

Texas is kicking and screaming as they try to drag us back to the Middle Ages.

Hey, I don't like it any more than you do, but not everyone in Texas is like that. There are plenty of people fighting it, just as there are in other southern states. It may have started as a regional issue, but it has grown into a national one.

89 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:49:42pm

re: #87 JasonA

Oh. Nice to know BP's responsible for all the clean-up...

They won't even pay for the Dawn detergent.

90 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:50:40pm

re: #89 allegro
Dawn? That stuff dries out my hands.

91 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:52:10pm

re: #88 Liberal Classic

Hey, I don't like it any more than you do, but not everyone in Texas is like that. There are plenty of people fighting it, just as there are in other southern states. It may have started as a regional issue, but it has grown into a national one.

Excellent opportunity to give a shout out to the Texas Freedom Network.

The Texas Freedom Network scored some key victories on education, science and religious freedom in the recently ended legislative session. Just as importantly, TFN's statewide grassroots network helped keep the religious right on the defensive. As a result, the religious right failed to pass any major parts of its legislative agenda during the regular session.

92 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:52:52pm

re: #90 PhillyPretzel

Dawn? That stuff dries out my hands.

But it's great for scrubbing Blue Faced Boobies.

93 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:53:27pm

re: #92 allegro

I will take your word for it.

94 Liberal Classic  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:54:31pm

re: #91 allegro

Texas Citizens for Science hasn't been updated for a while.

[Link: www.texscience.org...]

95 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:55:39pm

If it were just Texas, I'd yawn and say, "Let the fuckwits secede."

But this is precisely the agenda of the teabaggers and in particular of their chief Bible-humper, Sarah Palin.

And as much as I loathe her, I also believe she has an excellent chance of taking the White House in 2012.

Yes, the American people really are that stupid.

96 ghazidor  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:56:17pm

re: #47 JasonA

At $8 a pack I think these things are going to be the new seeds.

I have a simple little cigarette machine just like this one, I have had it for 9 years now:
[Link: www.ryotobacco.com...]

I buy 16oz bags of tobacco (about 800 cigarettes worth) and "filter tubes" online with no tax and free shipping as long as I order $100.00 worth at a time from here:
[Link: www.pipesandcigars.com...]

For $102.45 I can buy 4 bags of tobacco and 16 of the 200 count boxes of tubes, so I'm getting right about 3200 cigarettes (about 3 cents each) that lasts me for about 5 months for that money.

/it pays to shop around. ;)

97 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:56:40pm

What's the deal with crazy right wing dentists? First, Orly Taitz (Birther Pageant beauty queen) and now Don McLeroy.

There's a lot of whitewashing proposed here: From the SC decision regarding Hispanics (an often forgotten precursor to Brown v. Board of Education) to the contention that Susan B. Anthony and WEB Dubois caused America to be portrayed in a negative light. Maybe so, but only because they highlighted something very "negative" about America at the time--discrimination based on race and sex.

98 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:56:57pm

re: #96 ausador

I have a simple little cigarette machine just like this one, I have had it for 9 years now:
[Link: www.ryotobacco.com...]

I buy 16oz bags of tobacco (about 800 cigarettes worth) and "filter tubes" online with no tax and free shipping as long as I order $100.00 worth at a time from here:
[Link: www.pipesandcigars.com...]

For $102.45 I can buy 4 bags of tobacco and 16 of the 200 count boxes of tubes, so I'm getting right about 3200 cigarettes (about 3 cents each) that lasts me for about 5 months for that money.

/it pays to shop around. ;)

If pays to stop smoking.

99 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:57:43pm

re: #95 Cato the Elder

If it were just Texas, I'd yawn and say, "Let the fuckwits secede."

But this is precisely the agenda of the teabaggers and in particular of their chief Bible-humper, Sarah Palin.

And as much as I loathe her, I also believe she has an excellent chance of taking the White House in 2012.

Yes, the American people really are that stupid.


the electorate voted in BO....Palin has just as good a chance

100 Cheechako  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:58:24pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

Maybe... I can't find any direct references to how that works now a days, I'm not sure if that is really accurate information from Fox. Hell, if someone wanted to print a cookbook, one based on recipes from a blog, they could do it now a days one copy at a time, and make changes in the middle of a publication run, make changes in minutes.

I've heard it's been done somewhere.


I suspect most school textbooks will become electronic. Schools will issue Kindles, I-Pads, or LT's to each student. Any changes to the content can be made very easy to suit the needs of the purchaser. Plus, I think this will substantially reduce the costs of education.

101 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:58:53pm

re: #97 palomino
Maybe it is the amalgam alloy.

102 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:59:20pm

re: #96 ausador

I have a simple little cigarette machine just like this one, I have had it for 9 years now:
[Link: www.ryotobacco.com...]

I buy 16oz bags of tobacco (about 800 cigarettes worth) and "filter tubes" online with no tax and free shipping as long as I order $100.00 worth at a time from here:
[Link: www.pipesandcigars.com...]

For $102.45 I can buy 4 bags of tobacco and 16 of the 200 count boxes of tubes, so I'm getting right about 3200 cigarettes (about 3 cents each) that lasts me for about 5 months for that money.

/it pays to shop around. ;)

sounds like a sure fire recipe for lung cancer

103 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 15, 2010 3:59:47pm

re: #102 albusteve

sounds like a sure fire recipe for lung cancer

I know... it should be in the next LGF cookbook.

104 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:00:00pm

To work... eat more 4225...

105 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:00:16pm

re: #73 engineer dog

current fox news front page

High Hopes for Oil Siphon
Attempt — But Will It Work?

Amid snags and setbacks, BP expects to deploy mile-long tube to divert oil spewing into Gulf of Mexico %P% VIDEO
• Experts Can't Agree if Size of Oil Spill Matters Now
• BP Boss Says Gulf Oil Spill 'Tiny' Compared to Ocean

Heh, Size matters.

I'll repost my shout out to BP:

Hey BP, fuck off and go drill someplace else, you're messing with the program and have lost your credibility.

America needs an offshore drilling moratorium until the drilling companies can prove convincingly that they have developed a true failsafe Blowout Preventer and the ability to contain leaks and spills at the depths being drilled.

Right now they get and F-, and the minimum passing grade is A+.

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:00:51pm

re: #100 Cheechako

What will we do with so any trees?

WOOD BURNING CARS!

107 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:00:57pm

You guys are just kidding with Palin 2012. It is not going to happen.

108 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:01:09pm

re: #100 Cheechako

I suspect most school textbooks will become electronic. Schools will issue Kindles, I-Pads, or LT's to each student. Any changes to the content can be made very easy to suit the needs of the purchaser. Plus, I think this will substantially reduce the costs of education.

nothing will reduce the cost of education...it's the Mother Lode

109 Ojoe  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:01:19pm
· Change a high school U.S. history standard to downplay the positive impact of Progressive Era reforms and suggest that the work of the era’s reformers like Upton Sinclair, Susan B. Anthony, Ida B. Wells and W.E.B. DuBois created a negative portrayal of America.

These reformers are a strength.

Some other societies celebrate their defects and perpetuate them.

McLeroy has no clue.

110 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:01:39pm

re: #85 allegro

Unfortunately, that's mostly left to volunteers. I have 3 teams standing by waiting to hit the beaches when called on.

Good on you!

111 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:02:13pm

re: #107 prairiefire

You guys are just kidding with Palin 2012. It is not going to happen.

I'm not kidding in the least

112 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:02:23pm

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

To work... eat more 4225...

Avocados?

113 Bagua  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:02:30pm

re: #90 PhillyPretzel

Dawn? That stuff dries out my hands.

You're soaking in it!

114 Ojoe  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:03:03pm

re: #99 albusteve

Palin will be POTUS IMHO.

115 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:03:14pm

re: #107 prairiefire

You guys are just kidding with Palin 2012. It is not going to happen.

I made money betting that Ronald Reagan would win. Off of most of my moonbat relatives.

You want I should give you odds?

116 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:03:22pm

re: #113 Bagua

I switched back to Ivory. It does not dry out my hands.

117 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:03:27pm

re: #37 Cato the Elder

How do these people deal with the fact that Thomas Jefferson was one of the founders?

Oh, that's right, they just replace him with some other guy.

Next up, petition from the Texas congressional delegation to replace the face of Jefferson on Mt. Rushmore with that of Chimpy McShrub.

Wait, what?

Until I hit the link, I thought you were snarking.

118 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:03:29pm

re: #95 Cato the Elder

If it were just Texas, I'd yawn and say, "Let the fuckwits secede."

But this is precisely the agenda of the teabaggers and in particular of their chief Bible-humper, Sarah Palin.

And as much as I loathe her, I also believe she has an excellent chance of taking the White House in 2012.

Yes, the American people really are that stupid.

Palin's problem is that you don't get a second chance to make a first impression.

From the Couric and Gibson interviews to the Tina Fey impressions, the image of her as a silly lightweight is one she'll have to shed ("I can see Russia from my house.") If it were someone else, I'd say maybe they were up to the task of re-engineering their image. I don't think she is.

And it doesn't help that she gets into public squabbles with her daughter's ex-boyfriend or runs around screaming about the "lamestream" media.

119 Cheechako  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:03:32pm

re: #106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What will we do with so any trees?

WOOD BURNING CARS!


No. Letting them grow will help remove all that CO2 from the air.

120 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:04:16pm

re: #118 palomino

Palin's problem is that you don't get a second chance to make a first impression.

From the Couric and Gibson interviews to the Tina Fey impressions, the image of her as a silly lightweight is one she'll have to shed ("I can see Russia from my house.") If it were someone else, I'd say maybe they were up to the task of re-engineering their image. I don't think she is.

And it doesn't help that she gets into public squabbles with her daughter's ex-boyfriend or runs around screaming about the "lamestream" media.

You're not getting it.

The American people love stupid.

121 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:04:17pm

Is Jane Siberry any good? Boing Boing says she is giving away all her music in full CD format with instructions to "pay it forward"...

[Link: www.boingboing.net...]

122 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:04:32pm

Hooray, creationists for a Saturday Night thread!
Glad I don't have kids in school in Texas.

123 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:04:56pm

re: #97 palomino

What's the deal with crazy right wing dentists? First, Orly Taitz (Birther Pageant beauty queen) and now Don McLeroy.

There's a lot of whitewashing proposed here: From the SC decision regarding Hispanics (an often forgotten precursor to Brown v. Board of Education) to the contention that Susan B. Anthony and WEB Dubois caused America to be portrayed in a negative light. Maybe so, but only because they highlighted something very "negative" about America at the time--discrimination based on race and sex.

I blame the mercury amalgam.

124 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:05:51pm

re: #115 Cato the Elder

I made money betting that Ronald Reagan would win. Off of most of my moonbat relatives.

You want I should give you odds?

Reagan didn't quit in the middle of his first term as governor.

As big as all her other weaknesses is the fact she's never given a compelling reason for this move. It's unprecedented for a presidential wannabe, and can be exploited by ALL her rivals.

125 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:06:03pm

re: #123 Decatur Deb

That is what I said. Please see #101.

126 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:07:18pm

GO SARAH!
we deserve you!

127 Ojoe  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:07:36pm

re: #120 Cato the Elder

The American people love stupid.

There are other factors as well; one being carrying Trig to term vs, "punished with a baby," take it as you will; it is a plus for Palin.

128 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:07:52pm

re: #120 Cato the Elder

You're not getting it.

The American people love stupid.

In our presidents? Not really, and certainly not THIS stupid.

The GOP base may love her, but that's all identity politics. I don't think that will translate outside the party.

129 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:08:15pm

re: #127 Ojoe

There are other factors as well; one being carrying Trig to term vs, "punished with a baby," take it as you will; it is a plus for Palin.

Not in a reality based world.

130 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:08:44pm

re: #127 Ojoe

There are other factors as well; one being carrying Trig to term vs, "punished with a baby," take it as you will; it is a plus for Palin.

How did that work for her in 2008?

131 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:09:18pm

re: #109 Ojoe

These reformers are a strength.

Some other societies celebrate their defects and perpetuate them.

McLeroy has no clue.

The only thing that come to mind involves a great deal of expletives. Let's have quick look at the people McLeroy and his ilk care to denigrate:

Upton Sinclair, Jr. (September 20, 1878 – November 25, 1968), was a Pulitzer Prize-winning American author who wrote over 90 books in many genres. He achieved popularity in the first half of the 20th century, acquiring particular fame for his 1906 muckraking novel The Jungle. It exposed conditions in the U.S. meat packing industry, causing a public uproar that contributed in part to the passage a few months later of the 1906 Pure Food and Drug Act and the Meat Inspection Act.

Susan Brownell Anthony (February 15, 1820 – March 13, 1906) was a prominent American civil rights leader who played a pivotal role in the 19th century women's rights movement to introduce women's suffrage into the United States. She traveled the United States, and Europe, and gave 75 to 100 speeches every year on women's rights for 45 years.

Ida Bell Wells-Barnett (July 16, 1862 – March 25, 1931) was an African American journalist, newspaper editor and, with her husband, newspaper owner Ferdinand L. Barnett, an early leader in the civil rights movement. She documented the extent of lynching in the United States, and was also active in the women's rights movement and the women's suffrage movement.

William Edward Burghardt Du Bois (pronounced /duːˈbɔɪs/ doo-BOYSS; February 23, 1868 – August 27, 1963) was an American civil rights activist, Pan-Africanist, sociologist, historian, author, and editor. Historian David Levering Lewis wrote, "In the course of his long, turbulent career, W. E. B. Du Bois attempted virtually every possible solution to the problem of twentieth-century racism— scholarship, propaganda, integration, national self-determination, human rights, cultural and economic separatism, politics, international communism, expatriation, third world solidarity."

Every effort must be made to oppose McLeroy and his clan.

132 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:09:20pm

re: #124 palomino

Reagan didn't quit in the middle of his first term as governor.

As big as all her other weaknesses is the fact she's never given a compelling reason for this move. It's unprecedented for a presidential wannabe, and can be exploited by ALL her rivals.

You're still not getting it.

And which rivals would those be? Can you name one who has her name and face recognition and who draws the crowds she does?

What, Bobby Jindal? Some Mormon from someplace? Who? Huh?

I'm just sayin' - prepare yourselves.

She's smarter than Dubya and has three times the charisma.

If you think you'll be wanting a new passport, apply for it now.

133 Ojoe  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:09:40pm

re: #129 allegro

A sad reality in this case.

134 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:09:58pm

re: #128 palomino

In our presidents? Not really, and certainly not THIS stupid.

The GOP base may love her, but that's all identity politics. I don't think that will translate outside the party.

One word: Bush.

135 Ojoe  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:10:56pm

re: #130 palomino

Against the background noise of the campaign I would think it was a plus, that one.

136 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:11:05pm

Her unfavorables are through the roof. [Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

137 Digital Display  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:11:15pm

re: #122 Floral Giraffe

Hooray, creationists for a Saturday Night thread!
Glad I don't have kids in school in Texas.

Me too!
Hi beautiful!
Hope today finds you well...It's Saturday night in Indiana

138 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:11:36pm

re: #129 allegro

Not in a reality based world.

It looks like at least one state is seceding from the reality-based world.

139 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:13:45pm

re: #130 palomino

How did that work for her in 2008?

2008 was more than 15m ago...AmIdol politics dictates Palin in '12

140 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:14:01pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

It looks like at least one state is seceding from the reality-based world.

There are certainly attempts being made to accomplish that by the governor and his cronies. There are also a lot of folks trying to stop it, having some success thus far. I'm wondering when the wonderful Dem candidate for gov, Bill White, is FINALLY going to start his campaign. :/

141 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:14:09pm

If American history proves one thing, it's that reality is optional.

142 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:14:45pm

re: #132 Cato the Elder

You're still not getting it.

And which rivals would those be? Can you name one who has her name and face recognition and who draws the crowds she does?

What, Bobby Jindal? Some Mormon from someplace? Who? Huh?

I'm just sayin' - prepare yourselves.

She's smarter than Dubya and has three times the charisma.

If you think you'll be wanting a new passport, apply for it now.

I get what you're saying. She's way better looking than Newt Gingrich. But even in today's climate, there's more to the story.

The GOP base and teapartiers love her. Everybody else, not so much.

143 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:14:59pm

re: #140 allegro

Does a Dem have a chance there?

144 austin_blue  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:15:18pm

Y'all act surprised. A majority of Texans don't believe in evolution. And they vote. You might think they are all slack-jawed yokels, yahoos, ninnies, and feebs, and most are. But some are even dentists , lawyers, and many politicians.

145 Lidane  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:15:28pm

There's a simple solution to all this shit. Get rid of the archaic and outdated school textbook buying scheme that allows larger states like Texas to influence which textbooks are bought in smaller states. That's what drives these loons more than anything else.

re: #122 Floral Giraffe

Glad I don't have kids in school in Texas.

Same here. If I had kids, I'd take them the hell out of public school and try to find a private school that wasn't nearly as batshit insane. As it stands, I'm actually grateful I've never married or had children. I'd hate to subject them to this kind of idiocy on a daily basis.

146 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:16:44pm

re: #144 austin_blue

Y'all act surprised. A majority of Texans don't believe in evolution. And they vote. You might think they are all slack-jawed yokels, yahoos, ninnies, and feebs, and most are. But some are even dentists , lawyers, and many politicians.

too bad, Texas is a gonner...I guess I'll never go back because of....what was the question?

147 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:16:58pm

re: #143 Decatur Deb

A moderate, popular Dem like White, I sure hope so. Texas is, believe it or not, increasingly purple, with the major cities mostly blue. If White will get his ass in gear and GOTV, it could happen.

148 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:17:04pm

Laugh all you want, people - May 15th isn't over yet!

The May 15th Prophecy is series of continuous blog post that make up a collective whole.

It is the ONLY source you will ever find on the Internet, T.V., Radio, Theological College Campus, or from any Known Book.

Which have been 100% accurate about the events that are happening today and with 100% accuracy & precision what will happen for tomorrow

You can see as event are happening even as we speak, the May 15th Prophecy with clear precision and exact detail has laid out what exactly is happening and what is going to happen to THIS GENERATION.

The reason the May 15th Prophecy has been 100% accurate is because unlike the false prophesies of false prophets (of which the whole world is filled with).

The May 15th Prophecy is not the product of the vain thoughts & imagination of men, or silly interpretations.

The May 15th Prophecy is from the direct Word Of God.

149 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:17:14pm

re: #144 austin_blue

Y'all act surprised. A majority of Texans don't believe in evolution. And they vote. You might think they are all slack-jawed yokels, yahoos, ninnies, and feebs, and most are. But some are even dentists , lawyers, and many politicians.

Why some of them even own cement ponds.

/

150 austin_blue  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:18:02pm

re: #145 Lidane

There's a simple solution to all this shit. Get rid of the archaic and outdated school textbook buying scheme that allows larger states like Texas to influence which textbooks are bought in smaller states. That's what drives these loons more than anything else.

Movement Conservatism. Lovely stuff. The Chinese have got to be laughing their asses off.

"Look, the Americans are turning their children into idiots!"

151 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:18:09pm

re: #134 Cato the Elder

One word: Bush.

Bush and Reagan are the two recent presidents most often portrayed as stupid. Both of them worked hard, along with their handlers, to dispel such images. If they hadn't had some success, they'd have never been elected.

And I'm not sure Palin is smarter than Bush. There's no indication that she can hold her own in serious policy discussions. Remember: ALL her media interaction since those disastrous interviews of 2008 have been friendly (Oprah, Hannity) or stage managed.

152 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:18:20pm

re: #146 albusteve

too bad, Texas is a gonner...I guess I'll never go back because of...what was the question?

How many stars are on the national flag?

153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:18:37pm

re: #131 Gus 802

Upton Sinclair, Jr. (September 20, 1878 – November 25, 1968), was a Pulitzer Prize-winning American author who wrote over 90 books in many genres. He achieved popularity in the first half of the 20th century, acquiring particular fame for his 1906 muckraking novel The Jungle. It exposed conditions in the U.S. meat packing industry, causing a public uproar that contributed in part to the passage a few months later of the 1906 Pure Food and Drug Act and the Meat Inspection Act.

He is part of the V part of my nic.

154 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:19:44pm

re: #152 Decatur Deb

How many stars are on the national flag?

just one, of course

155 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:20:15pm

re: #154 albusteve

just one, of course

Pass.

156 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:20:26pm

The Squinx.... it's said that if you answer his riddle that he allows you to pass.

157 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:21:02pm

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Pass.

How many stars are on the Tennessee flag?

158 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:21:26pm

re: #157 Gus 802

How many stars are on the Tennessee flag?

who are they?

159 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:21:57pm

re: #158 albusteve

who are they?

It's a state right next to Kentucky.

/

160 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:22:10pm

re: #135 Ojoe

Against the background noise of the campaign I would think it was a plus, that one.

It didn't make much difference in 2008, so why would it matter two years from now?

Sure, some women really admire her for having the child. But the kind of women she needs to attract to win the general election are moderates and independents, a lot of whom will be turned off by her staunch pro-life stance.

161 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:22:19pm

re: #157 Gus 802

How many stars are on the Tennessee flag?

Let's not talk about the Triskelion.

162 prairiefire  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:22:31pm

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have a told you my grandfather met him while working for the Kansas City Star?

163 Reginald Perrin  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:22:33pm

re: #122 Floral Giraffe

Hooray, creationists for a Saturday Night thread!

Now all we need is a plump troll to grill.

164 Lidane  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:22:46pm

re: #151 palomino

And I'm not sure Palin is smarter than Bush.

She's not. Dubya might have garbled his syntax now and again, and he might have done some monumentally stupid things in office, but the guy is still a Harvard MBA and Yale grad. Legacy or not, it still takes some intelligence to survive both schools, particularly at the graduate level.

For all his flaws, Bush is a lot smarter on his feet than she ever will be.

165 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:22:50pm

re: #156 Thanos

The Squinx... it's said that if you answer his riddle that he allows you to pass.

I know!

166 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:22:54pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

Let's not talk about the Triskelion.

D'oh!

167 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:24:07pm

Palin doesn't need votes. Her mouth is big enough to teabag the whole country.

168 albusteve  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:24:09pm

re: #159 Gus 802

It's a state right next to Kentucky.

/

cool, I like fried chicken!
(voter)

169 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:24:19pm

re: #139 albusteve

2008 was more than 15m ago...AmIdol politics dictates Palin in '12

Even the contestants on American Idol have some underlying talent.

Quitting without reason isn't how you win.

170 ghazidor  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:25:06pm

re: #148 Cato the Elder

Laugh all you want, people - May 15th isn't over yet!

I thought we had until Rosh Hashanah?

/I see your crazy and raise you with crazy and horrible web design skills!

171 wrenchwench  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:25:51pm

The sockpuppets will all be from the right now.

Image: 128298538306407500iminursoxst.jpg

172 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:26:55pm

re: #167 Cato the Elder

Palin doesn't need votes. Her mouth is big enough to teabag the whole country.

Good thing Carly Simon never got into politics.

/

173 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:26:57pm

Speaking of our impending dooms, our Roomba has learned to override its electronic containment fences. Took a half our to find it the first time today.

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:27:34pm

Related to last night's conversation...or just a nice commentary on modern Jewish identity: Ani Yehudi.

Cute.

175 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:27:36pm

re: #144 austin_blue

Y'all act surprised. A majority of Texans don't believe in evolution. And they vote. You might think they are all slack-jawed yokels, yahoos, ninnies, and feebs, and most are. But some are even dentists , lawyers, and many politicians.

This is largely cultural identity politics; rejecting evolution is another way you can make it clear you don't identify with pointy-headed liberal intellectuals.

176 Lidane  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:27:50pm

re: #147 allegro

A moderate, popular Dem like White, I sure hope so. Texas is, believe it or not, increasingly purple, with the major cities mostly blue. If White will get his ass in gear and GOTV, it could happen.

God, I hope so. Anything that gets Governor Goodhair out of office at last will be a step in the right direction.

I don't know much about Bill White, but he seems like a good guy. I hope he wins.

177 PhillyPretzel  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:28:05pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb
OMG. Is that a half an hour?

178 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:28:07pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Speaking of our impending dooms, our Roomba has learned to override its electronic containment fences. Took a half our to find it the first time today.


Image: 20090720.gif

179 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:28:27pm

re: #156 Thanos

The Squinx... it's said that if you answer his riddle that he allows you to pass.

Crap, that's old.

Answer: the future.

Tolkien, now, he could do riddles in the dark.

180 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:28:53pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Speaking of our impending dooms, our Roomba has learned to override its electronic containment fences. Took a half our to find it the first time today.

Mine gets lost too. I'm trying to teach the cats the word "roomba" so they can help me find it. They help sometimes.

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:29:16pm

re: #127 Ojoe

There are other factors as well; one being carrying Trig to term vs, "punished with a baby," take it as you will; it is a plus for Palin.

Not in my book. I'm delighted Trig is with us, but I don't vote for people based on how many babies they choose to have.

182 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:29:57pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

Mine gets lost too. I'm trying to teach the cats the word "roomba" so they can help me find it. They help sometimes.

Image: 20090722.gif

183 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:30:08pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

PIMF: our=hour.

184 austin_blue  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:30:12pm

Gotta go. The Bouldin Bobcats are playin' at Maria's Taco Express tonight.

185 MandyManners  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:30:25pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

Mine gets lost too. I'm trying to teach the cats the word "roomba" so they can help me find it. They help sometimes.

Mine would try to eat it. Or, drop it onto my pillow as a "present".

186 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:30:33pm

re: #164 Lidane

She's not. Dubya might have garbled his syntax now and again, and he might have done some monumentally stupid things in office, but the guy is still a Harvard MBA and Yale grad. Legacy or not, it still takes some intelligence to survive both schools, particularly at the graduate level.

For all his flaws, Bush is a lot smarter on his feet than she ever will be.

Which is why I don't think she can withstand the rigors of a campaign. You can't run just on Fox News, and the GOP will probably have 10+ debates in the primaries. Romney and the like are already salivating.

187 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:30:36pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

Not in my book. I'm delighted Trig is with us, but I don't vote for people based on how many babies they choose to have.

President OctoMom... *cringe*

188 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:31:28pm
189 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:31:59pm

re: #188 Gus 802

Roomba Attack Gif

It won't load.

190 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:32:12pm

re: #189 JasonA

It won't load.

Scratch that.

191 MandyManners  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:32:38pm

re: #189 JasonA

It won't load.

But, the spinning wheel is hypnotic.

192 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:33:01pm

re: #191 MandyManners

But, the spinning wheel is hypnotic.

Worked for me the second time.

193 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:33:09pm

re: #190 JasonA

Scratch that.

Scratch! Mao Mao!

//

194 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:33:12pm

Loaded for me, cute Gus

195 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:33:21pm

re: #188 Gus 802

Roomba Attack Gif

Furry Dalek.

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:33:33pm

re: #186 palomino

Which is why I don't think she can withstand the rigors of a campaign. You can't run just on Fox News, and the GOP will probably have 10+ debates in the primaries. Romney and the like are already salivating.

I don't think she can survive a round of debates with an actual Republican. Last time, everyone had to be nice. This time the gloves will come off. You won't even see Romney's hands move, just a glint of light, and Palin's head flying into the audience.

197 MandyManners  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:33:35pm

re: #192 JasonA

Worked for me the second time.

Same here.

198 MandyManners  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:34:13pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think she can survive a round of debates with an actual Republican. Last time, everyone had to be nice. This time the gloves will come off. You won't even see Romney's hands move, just a glint of light, and Palin's head flying into the audience.

Cato will either cry or get an erection.

199 Gus  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:34:29pm

re: #194 Thanos

Loaded for me, cute Gus

Yeah that cat is pretty funny. He's got this dead pan style about the whole thing.

200 Lidane  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:36:18pm

re: #186 palomino

Which is why I don't think she can withstand the rigors of a campaign.

She couldn't even withstand the rigors of a VP campaign. They ruthlessly sheltered her because she wasn't ready for prime time. Even now, after all this time in the public eye, and she's never once given an interview without knowing the questions in advance, much less a press conference where she faces the media head on with no handlers and an open press corps. No way in hell would she survive the scrutiny of a Presidential campaign.

If she ran, I wouldn't be surprised if she loses in the primaries, just because she would be unable to truly face the worldwide media gauntlet that a run for the White House entails.

201 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:36:43pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think she can survive a round of debates with an actual Republican. Last time, everyone had to be nice. This time the gloves will come off. You won't even see Romney's hands move, just a glint of light, and Palin's head flying into the audience.

I don't even seeing her making the attempt. From her record thus far, it appears that her primary interest is $$$. As quickly as she left her job as governor to maximize her earning capacity for the time she has in the public eye, I don't see her trying to sign up for another low-paying gov gig.

202 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:37:36pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think she can survive a round of debates with an actual Republican. Last time, everyone had to be nice. This time the gloves will come off. You won't even see Romney's hands move, just a glint of light, and Palin's head flying into the audience.

Romney's flip flops really bugged me back in the 2008 primaries. But I tend to give him a break now; he's from MA, and the only way to get elected there is to be pro-choice, pro-gay and anti-gun--the exact opposite of what a candidate needs to win the GOP nod.

I could see Gingrich rhetorically beheading Palin as well, but I'd rather it come from Romney.

203 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:38:09pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think she can survive a round of debates with an actual Republican. Last time, everyone had to be nice. This time the gloves will come off. You won't even see Romney's hands move, just a glint of light, and Palin's head flying into the audience.

Nice image. I guess you have more confidence in the Romney Teh Debater than I do.

Think he still has a shot at the nomination?

(suggestion for Romney vs. Palin pre-debate soundtrack)

204 Randall Gross  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:38:18pm

I'm putting together a streaming media server to park upstairs with the big TV, I'm using all the old HD"s and carcasses I've collected the past few yrs. Should have 2 TB of drive, wireless N connectivity and a screaming vid card left over from one of the kid's old gaming PC's .
Next I have to investigate methods of I/O... should be fun as that field is rapidly morphing right now.

205 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:39:06pm

re: #202 palomino

Romney's flip flops really bugged me back in the 2008 primaries. But I tend to give him a break now; he's from MA, and the only way to get elected there is to be pro-choice, pro-gay and anti-gun--the exact opposite of what a candidate needs to win the GOP nod.

I could see Gingrich rhetorically beheading Palin as well, but I'd rather it come from Romney.

Once she's glutted with cash, she'll want to turn it into glory.

206 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:41:09pm

re: #198 MandyManners

Cato will either cry or get an erection.

Sometimes both happen simultaneously - it's pretty close to a religious experience.
////////////
(this is what the sarcasm tag was made for)

207 lostlakehiker  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:43:16pm
discuss alternatives regarding long term entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare, given the decreasing worker to retiree ratio.

That's a legitimate topic.

wikipedia article on social security reform proposals
Here's what one person who is widely viewed as sane and knowledgeable had to say:

on October 4, 2006: "Reform of our unsustainable entitlement programs should be a priority." He added, "the imperative to undertake reform earlier rather than later is great."[10] The tax increases or benefit cuts required to maintain the system as it exists under current law are significantly higher the longer such changes are delayed. For example, raising the payroll tax rate to 14.4% during 2009 (from the current 12.4%) or cutting benefits by 13.3% would address the program's budgetary concerns indefinitely; these amounts increase to around 16% and 24% if no changes are made until 2037.[11]


(Ben Bernanke.)

I'd say Delgado and Ricci are both landmark civil rights cases, both in the high tradition of the court's upholding of the rights of individuals to the equal protection of the law. Both deserve coverage.

As to

Contrast the Founders’ intent relative to the wording of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause, with the popular term ‘Separation of church and state.

Umm, what contrast is there? Jefferson was adamant on the subject. And as to deeds, the early United States did not establish an official national church, and oath or affirmation was required of those assuming office.

And as to international organizations attempting to undermine U.S. sovereignty, take a deep breath. Organizations of all stripes attempt to influence the course of events. Any trade treaty involves concessions by both parties, and as such involves a voluntary self-limitation to the power to levy tariffs, for instance, against products from the other party to the treaty. Wider free-trade agreements work on the same principle.

Private persons enter into contracts all the time that limit their freedom. Part of being free is the right to commit yourself to a course of action in exchange for some present or future benefit from the other party to the contract. If the U.S. enters into an agreement with China, India, Europe etc. to limit CO2 production, for instance, this would not be any abridgment of national sovereignty. Indeed, we may discover that we cannot achieve much of anything on that front except in the context of an agreement that commits all the major players/producers. [The alternative would be a technical solution so attractive that everybody switches over of their own free will, and the use of coal for electricity fails just as the use of wood for home heating failed. Not that it doesn't work, not that it isn't used anywhere, but it's just way down the list of current methods.] But that's another story.

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:43:43pm

re: #203 Nimed

Nice image. I guess you have more confidence in the Romney Teh Debater than I do.

Think he still has a shot at the nomination?

(suggestion for Romney vs. Palin pre-debate soundtrack)
[Video]

I think a seventeen-year-old Young Republican with a B+ in Civics class could take Palin down in a debate. To be perfectly honest.

And no, I don't think Romney has a shot at this stage.

209 MandyManners  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:43:44pm

re: #206 Nimed

Sometimes both happen simultaneously - it's pretty close to a religious experience.
///
(this is what the sarcasm tag was made for)

And your post is why I keep paper towels in my filing cabinet.

210 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:44:36pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

Once she's glutted with cash, she'll want to turn it into glory.

Other Republicans treat Sarah with kid gloves because she's assumed the role of party mascot.

But when they start to smell the White House, Romney, Gingrich, et al. (like any presidential wannabe) will steamroll whatever gets in their way--including her.

I don't think the country is crazy enough yet to completely discard gravitas as a presidential qualification.

211 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:47:42pm

re: #210 palomino

I don't think the country is crazy enough yet to completely discard gravitas as a presidential qualification.

I also don't think the Republican party will nominate any woman as POTUS.

212 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:48:23pm

re: #207 lostlakehiker

Maybe Ricci is a more important civil rights case than Bakke, maybe not.

Either way, why throw out earlier civil rights cases involving Hispanics? Doing so suggests a reactionary political agenda more than good faith educational recommendations.

213 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:48:36pm

re: #210 palomino

Other Republicans treat Sarah with kid gloves because she's assumed the role of party mascot.

But when they start to smell the White House, Romney, Gingrich, et al. (like any presidential wannabe) will steamroll whatever gets in their way--including her.

I don't think the country is crazy enough yet to completely discard gravitas as a presidential qualification.

I hope you're right. I'd rather the Dems treat her as a threat, and be wrong, than underestimate her.

214 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:50:04pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

I hope you're right. I'd rather the Dems treat her as a threat, and be wrong, than misunderestimate her.

ftfy...

215 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:50:18pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

I think a seventeen-year-old Young Republican with a B+ in Civics class could take Palin down in a debate. To be perfectly honest.

...snip

Palin/Krohn 2012

216 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:51:10pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

I hope you're right. I'd rather the Dems treat her as a threat, and be wrong, than underestimate her.

They know better than to totally ignore her. The crowds she draws are too big, and she raises money.

But even among Republicans, she's not the clear cut favorite for the nomination.

217 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:52:59pm

re: #216 palomino

Third, in the last credible poll I saw. It's still very early.

218 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:54:51pm

re: #216 palomino

They know better than to totally ignore her. The crowds she draws are too big, and she raises money.

From what I've seen in reports, those crowds aren't very big and her money raising days are limited, methinks.

219 palomino  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:56:19pm

re: #218 allegro

From what I've seen in reports, those crowds aren't very big and her money raising days are limited, methinks.

God, I hope you're right.

220 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:58:47pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

I think a seventeen-year-old Young Republican with a B+ in Civics class could take Palin down in a debate. To be perfectly honest.

And no, I don't think Romney has a shot at this stage.

I would agree, but I you seem to be forgetting Palin's secret debating weapon.

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]
I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can't be learned; it's either something you have or you don't, and man, she's got it.

Never misunderestimate the power of starbursts, SanFranZ.

221 Lidane  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:59:05pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

I hope you're right. I'd rather the Dems treat her as a threat, and be wrong, than underestimate her.

We've already seen what happens when a politician underestimates their opponent. Hillary Clinton's entire primary strategy pre-Super Tuesday was just to coast along to the nomination and to not take Obama seriously as a threat. At the same time, he and his team built a ground game that caught her people flat footed. We all saw how that turned out.

I doubt that the Obama team would go easy on anyone running on the GOP side, even Palin. The real question is, what will her fellow Republicans do if she runs? I could totally see Gingrich and Romney eviscerating her in a debate. I don't know about the rest.

222 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 4:59:32pm

re: #220 Nimed

I know most people here hate him, but Keith O. made me laugh out loud when he read that.

223 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:00:14pm

re: #220 Nimed

Never misunderestimate the power of starbursts, SanFranZ.

Fortunately, 51% of the population is female and not so easily conned.

224 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:01:00pm

re: #223 allegro

Fortunately, 51% of the population is female and not so easily conned.

That's one percentage I wish would go up...

225 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:01:07pm

re: #217 Decatur Deb

Third, in the last credible poll I saw. It's still very early.

Most GOPers that I know are waiting for Prince dark horse. It's pretty unusual.

226 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:02:37pm

re: #225 Nimed

Most GOPers that I know are waiting for Prince dark horse. It's pretty unusual.

That would have to be GEN Petraeus, if he's interested, and if he's a Repub.

227 Nimed  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:02:49pm

re: #223 allegro

Fortunately, 51% of the population is female and not so easily conned.

That's where the Hockey Mom comes in. Plus, I've been told sex symbols attract both genders.

Seriously, I don't think she has a chance either.

228 allegro  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:13:51pm

re: #227 Nimed

That's where the Hockey Mom comes in.

Hockey Moms are still moms. They know the cost of kids. They aren't so likely to want to give up their reproductive choices or respect anyone who is willing to give that away.

229 Decatur Deb  Sat, May 15, 2010 5:31:06pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Speaking of our impending dooms, our Roomba has learned to override its electronic containment fences. Took a half hour to find it the first time today.

OK, for the third run, I've doubled the electronic barriers. Starting to think about Forbidden Planet.

Image: planet.jpg

230 SpaceJesus  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:12:26pm

why is texas part of america i don't understand

231 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:37:49pm

re: #230 SpaceJesus

I like its shape.

232 lostlakehiker  Sat, May 15, 2010 6:46:30pm

re: #212 palomino

Maybe Ricci is a more important civil rights case than Bakke, maybe not.

Either way, why throw out earlier civil rights cases involving Hispanics? Doing so suggests a reactionary political agenda more than good faith educational recommendations.

That's why I said I thought they were BOTH important cases. By implication, but I'll spell it out, they should BOTH be covered.

As to Bakke, education is a minefield all its own in civil rights matters. The courts have held that the state may take into account its belief that affirmative action in education creates circumstances that have an educational benefit for all. This means that in educational settings, admissions need not be race blind. The state may favor races or other groups that would likely be more or less shut out under straight merit-based admissions.

The armed forces pursue their own affirmative action efforts in a way that upholds standards yet boosts minority officer numbers. They single out for recruiting and encouragement enlisted personnel who show promise and who come from under-represented minorities, and ask them, fairly tenaciously, to try out for officer. Enlisted personnel from other groups are not asked so aggressively, but they are free to try out for it if they themselves think they can make the grade.

Whoever then actually meets unyielding standards is then commissioned. The armed forces reckon that it will be easier to maintain unit cohesion and morale and communication up and down the chain of command if the led have more of a sense of belonging, and the leaders include officers with a good understanding of the backgrounds of the led.

All these reasons did not pertain to Ricci.

233 cronus  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:00:10pm

So taking McLeroy's amendments in order:

1) Christian supremacist revisionism

2) Legal relativism -- seeing the world through the Buchanan-esque white victim prism

3) Obviously no non-white christian conservative has made any contribution to America so why should school kids sweat the historical details.

4) The globalists are gonna git ya...look out!

5) This is personal finance...not history. No high school student should expect a solvent government pension system of any significance when they reach the gov't mandated retirement age of 90.

In a nutshell this demonstrates perfectly how any substantive argument from the right is drowned in a sea of paranoia, ignorance and personal insecurity.

234 Basho  Sat, May 15, 2010 7:34:26pm

I'm ashamed I ever supported these right wing morons.

235 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 15, 2010 10:49:56pm

Last night there was a segment about this on the PBS show "Need To Know", at the 28:00 mark.

Link.


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