Oh, good grief, what next?
Today on his radio show, Glenn Beck said he thinks we’re in “those times” … meaning the Biblical End Times. Armageddon. End of the world. Left Behind. The Rapture. A fanatical far right Christian revenge fantasy to end all revenge fantasies.
Bad, bad craziness.
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webevintage Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:24:10am |
I guess I need to get ready to adopt the pets left behind after the Rapture.
[Link: www.aftertherapturepetcare.com...]
(Never gets old. I love the kitty looking out the window as his nekid pepoles float up into the sky. You know he is thinking "hey, where is the can opener")
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cenotaphium Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:24:18am |
A better question might be "when are we not in the end times". If there ever was a constant theme of historical narrative, that'd be it.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:24:18am |
nobody who listens to glenn beck is getting up here fyi
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:25:29am |
re: #3 cenotaphium
A better question might be "when are we not in the end times". If there ever was a constant theme of historical narrative, that'd be it.
Yet another reason to make me question if the Christian God is all he's talked up to be, are we allowed to have our pets with us in heaven?
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:25:33am |
All this fire and brimstone was fine for wild Sunday revival preaching. But daily of Fox? Oh please.
Oh, BTW free drinks for any ethnic Mayan at my place anytime in 2013. Just let me know you are coming over...
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:26:08am |
That's great it starts with an earth quake/
birds, tanks and aeroplanes/
and Lenny Bruce is not insane...
...It's the End of the World As We Know It/
And I feel fine!!!
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:26:53am |
re: #7 Rightwingconspirator
All this fire and brimstone was fine for wild Sunday revival preaching. But daily of Fox? Oh please.
Oh, BTW free drinks for any ethnic Mayan at my place anytime in 2013. Just let me know you are coming over...
Brewing up a big batch of agave pulque?
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cenotaphium Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:27:16am |
re: #2 webevintage
Only 10 bucks for apocalypse pet insurance? It's a steal!
Some scams are so blatant that they're beyond criticism. This is "pet rock" level.
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webevintage Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:27:36am |
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:30:15am |
Wow, it's been a while since Beck warranted a thread of his own. I guess his coo-coo craziness was flying under the radar. Hopefully, his viewers and listeners will all believe him and put their cars and homes out on Craigslist for free since they won't be needing them after the 'big suck'...
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:31:17am |
These are "those times" that I find Coast to Coast AM more credible than Glenn Beck...
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Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:31:26am |
Apparently Mr. Beck didn't get the memo regarding World War II and numerous other conflicts in human history in which the end of the world seemed at hand. We survived some of the worst conflicts and pandemics ever only last century number in the 10s of millions of deaths. Currently, we have reached a new low in the number of deaths caused by military conflict.
Glenn Beck is not unlike the crazed pastor with a megaphone in his hand screaming "repent, the end of the world is here!"
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:31:28am |
re: #9 ralphieboy
Why not! (If I only knew how)
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:31:35am |
how can people like glenn beck pray for the return of jesus, which involves an apocalyptic war that will pretty much destroy the middle east, yet also support israel who just wants peace
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:32:02am |
re: #2 webevintage
I guess I need to get ready to adopt the pets left behind after the Rapture.
[Link: www.aftertherapturepetcare.com...](Never gets old. I love the kitty looking out the window as his nekid pepoles float up into the sky. You know he is thinking "hey, where is the can opener")
I only wish I'd thought of creating this site...taking money from these gullible people seems so wrong, until you hear them speak.
LMAO at the "where is the can opener?" line.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:32:15am |
Hey, I just had an awesome idea. A website designed to make people think the rapture already happened...
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Lidane Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:32:18am |
I will never, ever understand the obsession with the End Times that some folks have. It makes no sense to me.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:32:47am |
We've been "in those times" for the last couple thousand years. Can we just get it over with already?
/
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:33:29am |
re: #16 SpaceJesus
how can people like glenn beck pray for the return of jesus, which involves an apocalyptic war that will pretty much destroy the middle east, yet also support israel who just wants peace
Israel is the key. Once it's purified (i.e. Muslim free) you can come back and do your shit.
/
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pharmmajor Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:33:33am |
I thought Beck was a Mormon; why is he pushing fanatic Christian nonsense?
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Lidane Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:34:02am |
re: #23 pharmmajor
I thought Beck was a Mormon; why is he pushing fanatic Christian nonsense?
Because he's pandering to the rubes who take him seriously.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:34:06am |
re: #19 Lidane
I will never, ever understand the obsession with the End Times that some folks have. It makes no sense to me.
It makes perfect sense if you have no faith.
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middy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:34:12am |
I almost hope he's right, if only it would make him STOP WHINING AND CRYING!
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:34:14am |
re: #19 Lidane
I will never, ever understand the obsession with the End Times that some folks have. It makes no sense to me.
It sells books and inspires donations.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:34:15am |
re: #2 webevintage
P.T. Barnum has never been more right.
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webevintage Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:34:35am |
re: #21 webevintage
What IS the rapture index today?
[Link: www.raptureready.com...]
It is at a high 175....
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:35:07am |
re: #22 darthstar
Israel is the key. Once it's purified (i.e. Muslim free) you can come back and do your shit.
/
oh ok. get outta the way secular, rational, peace-loving israelis! here comes rambo jesus!
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:35:26am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:35:35am |
re: #19 Lidane
I will never, ever understand the obsession with the End Times that some folks have. It makes no sense to me.
It's the ultimate cry of victimhood. Daddy is going to come down from the sky and make it all better. And then all those bullies will get theirs. Nyah...
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cenotaphium Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:36:34am |
re: #13 JasonA
These are "those times" that I find Coast to Coast AM more credible than Glenn Beck...
Hey, don't knock C2C! They have some really interesting guests sometimes. Phil Plait has been on several times & he's a great guy.
Besides, their type of crazy tends to be fun & is not part of actual political discourse.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:36:49am |
I really expected the Gores to outlast the Clintons.
I hate to see couples split.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:38:00am |
There's a really good Mimi Rogers movie called The Rapture. And it's not just good because she gets naked in it. It's a thought provoking look at faith.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:38:08am |
re: #33 cenotaphium
Heh. Didn't mean to dis C2C. I'l turn them on if I'm driving late at night. It's funny to hear how serious the guests take this stuff.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:38:34am |
re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I really expected the Gores to outlast the Clintons.
I hate to see couples split.
Love Stories last chapter
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Spider Mensch Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:38:52am |
re: #19 Lidane
I will never, ever understand the obsession with the End Times that some folks have. It makes no sense to me.
ahhh it's as old as when man first started to evolve and have abstract thought. it's ingraved in the basic human psyche..a solar or lunar eclipse was thought to be a harbinger of the end of times...earthquakes, volcanic eruptions..and on and on...then when organized faiths took hold on man, it became one of the ways to keep eople in line, along with sins and eternal damnation and the like..."Repent to your God, sinner the end is near!"
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Lidane Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:38:57am |
re: #27 darthstar
It sells books and inspires donations.
Oh, I understand that. The hucksters and snake oil salesmen who make millions in their churches and in book sales have all the incentive in the world to buy into the End Times. It makes them rich.
I just don't understand why any rational person would buy into it. It seems counter-intuitive to wish for the destruction of the world, you know?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:38:58am |
Regarding the thread. Had an appointment with a customer who after I spent three hours with her designing her kitchen, her hesitation was "As a Christian, I don't think that I should even be bothering with this, I believe the world's about to end. What do you think?"
I responded, "Well, I'd probably have thought that through before asking someone to come out to my house to work for me for three hours."
It didn't end well.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:39:10am |
Lightning. Very close. Shutting down. Ciao.
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cliffster Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:39:36am |
who knows, maybe it is the end
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theheat Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:39:47am |
re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Actually, except for that moral majority stint, I always like Tipper. She seemed like the type that if she was my neighbor, she'd be a blast as a person. Like, Al was all somber and Gore-ish, but Tipper would be the one to crack open a beer and tell really funny dirty jokes with her girlfriends.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:40:38am |
re: #43 theheat
Jokes that would make Andrew Dice Clay say, "Whoa! That's sick!"
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ShaunP Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:40:40am |
re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Regarding the thread. Had an appointment with a customer who after I spent three hours with her designing her kitchen, her hesitation was "As a Christian, I don't think that I should even be bothering with this, I believe the world's about to end. What do you think?"
I responded, "Well, I'd probably have thought that through before asking someone to come out to my house to work for me for three hours."
It didn't end well.
And somehow keeping the cash is going to help her during the rapture? WTF...
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:40:46am |
re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Regarding the thread. Had an appointment with a customer who after I spent three hours with her designing her kitchen, her hesitation was "As a Christian, I don't think that I should even be bothering with this, I believe the world's about to end. What do you think?"
I responded, "Well, I'd probably have thought that through before asking someone to come out to my house to work for me for three hours."
It didn't end well.
Good comeback, but thinking of my bottom line I would have said something along the lines of
"Well, we might as well go with the DELUXE package then because you won't be able to take any of the cash with you"
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:41:04am |
Imagine the cultural and economic impact of the Rapture:
The precious metals and health supplements industries would take a drastic hit.
MLM companies would go out of business.
The Hallmark Channel would be replaced by the Gay Place Network on most cable systems.
Golf shorts and polo shirts would vanish from Wal-Mart.
Adoption mills would shut down.
A major industry would grow up around salvaging wrecked and abandoned Buicks and SUVs from city streets.
Rand Paul, Pat Robertson and Beck himself would be left trying to explain why they are still here.
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PAUL_MACDONALD Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:41:18am |
Oh, end times craziness, how I've missed you. Beck will never have anything on Jack and Rexella Van Impe. That's some quality crazy. Every news story pointed to the rapture being imminent.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:41:39am |
re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Regarding the thread. Had an appointment with a customer who after I spent three hours with her designing her kitchen, her hesitation was "As a Christian, I don't think that I should even be bothering with this, I believe the world's about to end. What do you think?"
I responded, "Well, I'd probably have thought that through before asking someone to come out to my house to work for me for three hours."
It didn't end well.
Not many options there. "Leave a nice kitchen for the sinners who remain behind." Probably hard to get that out with a straight face.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:41:50am |
re: #43 theheat
Actually, except for that moral majority stint, I always like Tipper. She seemed like the type that if she was my neighbor, she'd be a blast as a person. Like, Al was all somber and Gore-ish, but Tipper would be the one to crack open a beer and tell really funny dirty jokes with her girlfriends.
I doubt Frank (the one often quoted on this site, not Sinatra) would agree with you.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:41:51am |
re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
This happened to me on Saturday. I am totally serious. I am still totally pissed.
But, as a Christian, I have to forgive her.
But, I've decided to wait a while.
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Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:42:34am |
re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Regarding the thread. Had an appointment with a customer who after I spent three hours with her designing her kitchen, her hesitation was "As a Christian, I don't think that I should even be bothering with this, I believe the world's about to end. What do you think?"
I responded, "Well, I'd probably have thought that through before asking someone to come out to my house to work for me for three hours."
It didn't end well.
What the...
Now that's a Rod Serling moment.
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theheat Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:42:34am |
End of Days pr0n is the kind every good fundie, closeted homo or not, can really get down and jerk off to. We're talking lampshades on their heads, take off the sensible shoes, free-for-all, orgy kinda good times. They live for this shit. And Glenn Beck sells it all day long.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:43:18am |
re: #43 theheat
"And a special thanks to Tipper Gore, for insuring that any album with a few dirty words will always sell an extra million copies."
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zephirus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:43:26am |
He's a phony and probably doesn't actually believe this stuff. He's stirring the pot for $$. I despise him with every fiber of my being.
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cliffster Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:43:26am |
re: #48 Shiplord Kirel
Rand Paul, Pat Robertson and Beck himself would be left trying to explain why they are still here.
christian bodhisattva. Everyone gets one more chance.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:44:06am |
re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth
"And a special thanks to Tipper Gore, for insuring that any album with a few dirty words will always sell an extra million copies."
Zappa?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:44:19am |
re: #4 SpaceJesus
nobody who listens to glenn beck is getting up here fyi
Oh, c'mon dude. What if they're really good people, and just kind of excitable?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:44:37am |
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Lidane Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:44:58am |
re: #42 cliffster
who knows, maybe it is the end
When I first saw that I swore it was photoshopped. The fact that it's real is scary.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:45:01am |
re: #56 zephirus
He's a phony and probably doesn't actually believe this stuff. He's stirring the pot for $$. I despise him with every fiber of my being.
Then I would question your mental stability... or are you just being hyperbolic for effect?
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insert name here Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:45:03am |
"Only seven more shopping days 'til Armageddon."
(Graffiti in (infamous) Barrington Hall, UC Berkeley).
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zephirus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:45:06am |
re: #16 SpaceJesus
how can people like glenn beck pray for the return of jesus, which involves an apocalyptic war that will pretty much destroy the middle east, yet also support israel who just wants peace
You are assuming they are capable of rational thought.
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Reginald Perrin Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:45:16am |
re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Regarding the thread. Had an appointment with a customer who after I spent three hours with her designing her kitchen, her hesitation was "As a Christian, I don't think that I should even be bothering with this, I believe the world's about to end. What do you think?"
I responded, "Well, I'd probably have thought that through before asking someone to come out to my house to work for me for three hours."
It didn't end well.
You went about it all wrong. I would have told here to buy the kitchen on credit and enjoy it knowing she would never have to pay for it and the godless ones are stuck with the bill.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:45:29am |
re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Steven Tyler of Aerosmith.
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theheat Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:45:37am |
re: #45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah, that kind.
I think aliens inhabited her brain for her to go on the moral majority campaign. But my gut tells me she isn't really that person.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:45:43am |
re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, c'mon dude. What if they're really good people, and just kind of excitable?
((pppssstttt ,,, you do know he's really NOT Jesus ,, right!?!?))
(((even if HE doesn't know it!!)))
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:45:44am |
re: #6 jamesfirecat
Yet another reason to make me question if the Christian God is all he's talked up to be, are we allowed to have our pets with us in heaven?
I am quite sure that all my grandmother's pets are now hanging out in her heavenly mansion, being spoiled even more rotten in the world to come than they were in this one.
Isn't there a Mormon belief that your animals join you in heaven, or am I totally making that up or getting it confused with something else?
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cliffster Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:46:06am |
re: #60 sattv4u2
ME?!?!?!
//
wow, dude, I always that you were sorta wise and smart, but I had no idea!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:46:31am |
re: #42 cliffster
who knows, maybe it is the end
I'm considering going back through all the recent threads to see how many times that has been brought up.
You should search it, been some good jokes.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:46:41am |
re: #56 zephirus
He's a phony and probably doesn't actually believe this stuff. He's stirring the pot for $$. I despise him with every fiber of my being.
I suggest you get a nice quiet hobby
stamp collecting,,, basket weaving ,, something to occupy you
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:46:54am |
re: #70 cliffster
wow, dude, I always that you were sorta wise and smart, but I had no idea!
Yes, I are!
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theheat Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:47:31am |
re: #61 Lidane
Not only that, I thought it was poorly photoshopped. It doesn't look real at all.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:47:34am |
re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist
I am quite sure that all my grandmother's pets are now hanging out in her heavenly mansion, being spoiled even more rotten in the world to come than they were in this one.
Isn't there a Mormon belief that your animals join you in heaven, or am I totally making that up or getting it confused with something else?
So The Rapture is actually a mass staff employment ploy to be implemented by Ceiling Cat at the appropriate time?
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Slap Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:47:35am |
re: #51 Mad Al-Jaffee
Strangely, there's been fairly significant change in the relationship between the Gore and Zappa families, since Mrs. Z became a rather notable Dem financial contributor a while back.
And although FZ was none too fond of the PMRC, he was far more incensed by their husbands' behavior. (Blank tape tax, anyone....?)
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cliffster Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:47:49am |
re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm considering going back through all the recent threads to see how many times that has been brought up.
You should search it, been some good jokes.
Yeah? I was on computer lockout over the holiday. I searched the last few threads for the word, "sinkhole", saw nothing, dropped it in.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:48:16am |
re: #68 sattv4u2
((pppsssttt ,,, you do know he's really NOT Jesus ,, right!?!?))
(((even if HE doesn't know it!!)))
//
Maybe he's a Doctor?
/
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:48:47am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:48:55am |
re: #68 sattv4u2
Stone the unbeliever!
/in the SpaceJesus cult you get stoned with asteroids, so it'll be quick and painless, albeit extremely messy
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:49:11am |
re: #77 cliffster
Oh, I meant to say I wasn't complaining. I wasn't complaining. It's interesting as it could possibly be.
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cliffster Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:49:34am |
re: #80 Slumbering Behemoth
Stone the unbeliever!
/in the SpaceJesus cult you get stoned with asteroids, so it'll be quick and painless, albeit extremely messy
stoned with asteroids? That must be some fucking huge rolling paper.
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Slap Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:49:52am |
re: #80 Slumbering Behemoth
Stone the unbeliever!
/in the SpaceJesus cult you get stoned with asteroids, so it'll be quick and painless, albeit extremely messy
Yeah, but asteroids can't hold their smoke, dude -- they always need a ride home.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:49:58am |
re: #80 Slumbering Behemoth
Stone the unbeliever!
/in the SpaceJesus cult you get stoned with asteroids, so it'll be quick and painless, albeit extremely messy
I once got drunk when I had hemorrhoids, does that count???
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:50:02am |
re: #7 Rightwingconspirator
All this fire and brimstone was fine for wild Sunday revival preaching. But daily of Fox? Oh please.
Oh, BTW free drinks for any ethnic Mayan at my place anytime in 2013. Just let me know you are coming over...
Damn, I don't qualify. I had a student a couple of years ago who did, but she won't be of drinking age in time.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:50:48am |
re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, c'mon dude. What if they're really good people, and just kind of excitable?
for all eternity though? that's how long i'll have to put up with them
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:51:10am |
re: #10 cenotaphium
Only 10 bucks for apocalypse pet insurance? It's a steal!
Some scams are so blatant that they're beyond criticism. This is "pet rock" level.
If it makes people feel better, ten bucks well spent. I think the whole thing is theologically bizarre, but who's getting hurt?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:51:20am |
re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Back to work. Later.
Does that mean you're not going back to work now, but rather later?
If so, why the announcement?
//
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:51:39am |
The UN is still getting the US to issue waffling statements...
"Wolff said the United States "is deeply disturbed by the recent violence and regrets the tragic loss of life," considers the situation in Gaza "untenable" and will continue to urge Israel to expand the scope and type of goods allowed into the territory to meet humanitarian needs."
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:52:06am |
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jc717 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:52:45am |
'Those times' have been just around the corner from the time the trippy Revelations were written. I wonder how many of them think that 2012 was a futumentary.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:53:03am |
I hope the rapture happens soon so sane people can get down to the business of dealing with reality without all the nutters constantly fucking everything up.
I wouldn't want to be in heaven for all eternity with those freaks. It sounds like hell to me.
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zephirus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:53:10am |
re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"You're right. Tell you what, why don't you take the $10,000 you were going to spend on the kitchen and donate it to charity?"
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:53:40am |
...you say "we wanna censor rock and roll"
we wanna decide what you read
what you watch
what you listen to
ooo ooo ooo Mr. Falwell
oooh Miss Tipper Gore
wait till i got you on the floor
we gonna tie you up inside
of a shopping mall
then we're gonna then we're gonna
we're gonna have a war on drugs
a war on drugs
we outta have a war on war you suckers
we outta have a war on this
senseless condominium
new car helllll...
-Mojo Nixon, "Burn Down The Malls"
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Lidane Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:53:42am |
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RadicalModerate Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:54:32am |
About Beck's latest: This conversation came about as part of their conversation regarding Israel, and it's importance, in biblical terms.
A quick reminder: The Evangelical/Reconstructionst Christians, who are pretty much driving the SoCon agenda with the Republicans today are not lock-step in support of Israel due to any love for the Jewish people. In fact, there is a *LOT* of documented evidence of anti-semitism from the Christian right. Instead, this support is because the existence of a strong Israeli state is a prerequisite for the end-times, and these folks are trying to accelerate that process as much as they possibly can.
Unfortunately, there are some factions in Israel who don't see through this.
From Veterans Today: Israeli Militarists' Sick Union with End-Times Dominionists and Anti-Semites
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:54:38am |
re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist
Marge: Lisa, Bart, what did you two learn in Sunday School today?
Lisa: The answers to deep theological questions.
Bart: Yeah, among other things, apes can't get into heaven.
Homer: What? Those cute little monkeys? That's terrible.
Who told you that?
Bart: Our teacher.
Homer: I can understand how they wouldn't let in those wild jungle apes, but what about those really smart ones who live among us? Who roller-skate and smoke cigars?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:55:39am |
re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist
If it makes people feel better, ten bucks well spent. I think the whole thing is theologically bizarre, but who's getting hurt?
Stupid people with a lot of pets/livestock?
At some point in this 18 min. video, Mr. Randi addresses the "What's the harm" question.
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Slap Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:57:04am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:58:47am |
re: #23 pharmmajor
I thought Beck was a Mormon; why is he pushing fanatic Christian nonsense?
Because a lot of his fans are fanatic Christians, and because he can't make any money off of orthodox Mormon theology.
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cenotaphium Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:59:16am |
re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist
If it makes people feel better, ten bucks well spent. I think the whole thing is theologically bizarre, but who's getting hurt?
Well, like I said, this case is so beyond reason, it's hard to criticize. That said, there comes a point where it turns into profiteering on the gullible. Then it ties into cults robbing people blind, or hucksters making a dime off desperate sick people. Their defense has always been "if they choose to pay for it, it's their problem".
I personally think that question is increasingly urgent, when you have nonsense like antivaxxers getting airtime without criticism (or any of a thousand other woo nonsense issues).
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:59:18am |
re: #101 Slap
Stone the crows!
[Video]
Oh, Maggie...
I once tipped a cow, does that count??
(and no ,, she wasn't my waiter)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:59:47am |
re: #32 oaktree
It's the ultimate cry of victimhood. Daddy is going to come down from the sky and make it all better. And then all those bullies will get theirs. Nyah...
It's also the ultimate cry of irresponsibility. It's not your problem to fix the world if you think things are bad because the end is nigh.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:00:29pm |
re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist
Because a lot of his fans are fanatic Christians, and because he can't make any money off of orthodox Mormon theology.
Why not... Mormon eschatology is not to far different than fundamental Christianity.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:00:30pm |
re: #101 Slap
Very good, but I am more into this type of crow stoning.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:00:47pm |
re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist
It's also the ultimate cry of irresponsibility. It's not your problem to fix the world if you think things are bad because the end is nigh.
James Watt, Reagan's infamous Secretary of the Interior, also used that line of argument to explain why it was not necessary to conserve resources.
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tnguitarist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:00:53pm |
The funny thing is, if rapture did come about not as many people would be gone as they would like to believe.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:00:55pm |
re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist
It's also the ultimate cry of irresponsibility. It's not your problem to fix the world if you think things are bad because the end is nigh.
This is my take. It's a way of assuaging guilt for being part of a species that has completely shit it's bed.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:01:14pm |
re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I really expected the Gores to outlast the Clintons.
I hate to see couples split.
Tipper just couldn't take Al's gas anymore.
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tnguitarist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:01:30pm |
re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth
Very good, but I am more into this type of crow stoning.
Beat me to it.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:02:27pm |
re: #111 Cato the Elder
Tipper just couldn't take Al's gas anymore.
Bet she'll have no trouble continuing to take his money though!
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cliffster Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:03:01pm |
re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I really expected the Gores to outlast the Clintons.
I hate to see couples split.
Are they going to split the internet 50/50?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:03:02pm |
re: #112 tnguitarist
What can I say, I am a Metal Minded Mo-Fo.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:03:07pm |
I guess this means that now Al and John Edwards can go out on the town together, trollin' for tail. I wonder which will be the wingman.
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:03:19pm |
My favorite end time line comes from 28 Days Later: The end is extremely fucking nigh!
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:03:23pm |
re: #94 Fozzie Bear
I hope the rapture happens soon so sane people can get down to the business of dealing with reality without all the nutters constantly fucking everything up.
I wouldn't want to be in heaven for all eternity with those freaks. It sounds like hell to me.
eh, it won't be so bad. we're all idiots in our own way. the point is to have the idiocy burned away in the process...
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stevemcg Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:04:02pm |
re: #21 webevintage
What IS the rapture index today?
Maybe we should have a rapture doomsday clock like that nuclear war one. Somehow I don't think the end of the world can live up to the Hollywood movie magic. I think we'd all be disappointed when it's over. (You mean that's it?)
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:04:10pm |
re: #114 cliffster
Are they going to split the internet 50/50?
I guess this Love Story won't have a happy ending.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:04:49pm |
re: #120 Mad Al-Jaffee
I guess this Love Story won't have a happy ending.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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stevemcg Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:04:56pm |
re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Any comment from Bombshell McGee?
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:05:25pm |
re: #120 Mad Al-Jaffee
I guess this Love Story won't have a happy ending.
She gets the carbon, he gets the dioxide...
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:06:10pm |
If these are the end times, when do I get my army of the undead or my bears?
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:06:11pm |
Grumpy Old Man Attacks Toddler for Crying in Elevator
Someone else's crying kid can be annoying, but one man in Surfside took the matter into his own hands and now police are looking to get their hands on him.The unidentified man allegedly grabbed, then slapped a 3-year-old girl for crying loudly while they were in a grocery store elevator earlier this month.
The grumpy old man then bolted out of the elevator and away from store employees as the mom frantically tried to explain what happened, surveillance video taken just after the incident shows.
"He just went and grabbed at her face. And she says that her skin hurt from it. He just grabbed at her face, and he wouldn't take his hand off,"the child's mom told WSVN.
The mom's other daughter, who was also in the elevator, was not attacked. The video doesn't show a good picture of the man's face, but police have put up flyers looking for the vigilante disciplinarian.
The suspect is described as a man in his 50s with a wrinkly, tanned face. He is around 6'3 and weighs about 180 pounds.
If you have information about the incident, call Miami-Dade Crime Stoppers at 305-471-TIPS.
Heavy boot, old drunk's ass, some assembly required.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:06:30pm |
re: #68 sattv4u2
((pppsssttt ,,, you do know he's really NOT Jesus ,, right!?!?))
(((even if HE doesn't know it!!)))
//
You know, if he is, he's a landsman, and I should be polite. And if he isn't--well, no point upsetting him, is there?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:06:45pm |
re: #117 Irenicum
My favorite end time line comes from 28 Days Later: The end is extremely fucking nigh!
"When there's no more room in Hell, the dead will walk the Earth."
-Dawn of the Dead
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:06:51pm |
re: #125 Shiplord Kirel
I guessed Onion. I was wrong.
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zephirus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:06:55pm |
re: #72 sattv4u2
I suggest you get a nice quiet hobby
stamp collecting,,, basket weaving ,, something to occupy you
That wouldn't burn as many calories.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:07:42pm |
re: #125 Shiplord Kirel
What a dumbass. Big fucker too. Wimp.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:08:03pm |
re: #117 Irenicum
My favorite end time line comes from 28 Days Later: The end is extremely fucking nigh!
i loved that movie
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:08:06pm |
re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If these are the end times, when do I get my army of the undead or my bears?
Dude, what you want is an army of undead bears. Try stopping that shit.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:08:36pm |
re: #132 Slumbering Behemoth
Dude, what you want is an army of undead bears. Try stopping that shit.
Zombears? Awesome!!!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:08:41pm |
re: #129 zephirus
That wouldn't burn as many calories.
Amended
FULL Contact stamp collecting and/ or basket weaving
carry on!
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:08:45pm |
The person Beck was speaking to in that clip, by the way, is Joel Rosenberg, author of Epicenter and several other books about the end times. He's very popular among the end time crowd, and is seen as something of a prophet by many. I think that's why Beck likes him too. He feels like he's got an "insiders" voice straight to God when he talks to this guy. I also think Beck actually believes this stuff. He's a full on conspiracy nut, so this fits in perfectly.
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:09:41pm |
re: #131 Aceofwhat?
I loves me them apocalyptic dystopian stories every time!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:09:59pm |
re: #103 cenotaphium
Well, like I said, this case is so beyond reason, it's hard to criticize. That said, there comes a point where it turns into profiteering on the gullible. Then it ties into cults robbing people blind, or hucksters making a dime off desperate sick people. Their defense has always been "if they choose to pay for it, it's their problem".
I personally think that question is increasingly urgent, when you have nonsense like antivaxxers getting airtime without criticism (or any of a thousand other woo nonsense issues).
I guess my feeling is that if you pay ten bucks so your cat will be cared for after the Rapture, that's more like a healing-crystal kind of thing than a don't get your kids vaccinated kind of thing.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:10:03pm |
Undead bears? pfft.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:10:25pm |
It seems appropriate that a Glenn Beck thread would have a "hooked on phonics" Learn to Read ad at the bottom of the page. (link opens image only, no redirect to that pathetic site that thinks it can get people to learn to read by reading their ad)
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:10:28pm |
re: #127 Mad Al-Jaffee
I'm more of a Shawn of the Dead kinda guy myself.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:10:39pm |
re: #106 Walter L. Newton
Why not... Mormon eschatology is not to far different than fundamental Christianity.
Because fundamentalist Christians get nervous about Mormons.
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Virginia Plain Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:11:06pm |
re: #108 ralphieboy
James Watt, Reagan's infamous Secretary of the Interior, also used that line of argument to explain why it was not necessary to conserve resources.
Wow, are you f***ing serious?
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:11:33pm |
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Lidane Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:11:35pm |
re: #132 Slumbering Behemoth
Dude, what you want is an army of undead bears. Try stopping that shit.
How about an army of undead manbearpigs? They'd be super serial about pillaging and looting the living.
On a serious note, I'm actually sad to hear about Al and Tipper. I can't imagine divorcing after so long. Forty years is a lifetime together. No one should be stuck in a bad marriage, of course, but things must have been intolerable to pull the trigger after so long.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:11:40pm |
re: #140 Irenicum
I'm more of a Shawn of the Dead kinda guy myself.
Check out Zombieland if you liked SotD. Two thumbs up.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:11:56pm |
re: #142 Virginia Plain
Wow, are you f***ing serious?
He was sort of famous for being a complete nut. Like Reagan.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:12:26pm |
re: #140 Irenicum
I'm more of a Shawn of the Dead kinda guy myself.
That was a good one too, but Romero's zombie movies will always be my favorites.
And The Walking Dead comic book.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:12:54pm |
re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist
Because fundamentalist Christians get nervous about Mormons.
I don't... Mormon's make me laugh.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:13:03pm |
re: #147 Mad Al-Jaffee
I saw Diary of the Dead the other night. Eh.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:13:09pm |
re: #145 MrSilverDragon
Check out Zombieland if you liked SotD. Two thumbs up.
World War Z is going to be out in 2012.
Coincedence? I think not.
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:13:19pm |
re: #142 Virginia Plain
It's true. Reagan himself was really end times oriented and very superstitious.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:13:42pm |
re: #145 MrSilverDragon
Check out Zombieland if you liked SotD. Two thumbs up.
The movie had the best celebrity cameo ever!
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:13:48pm |
re: #144 Lidane
On a serious note, I'm actually sad to hear about Al and Tipper. I can't imagine divorcing after so long. Forty years is a lifetime together. No one should be stuck in a bad marriage, of course, but things must have been intolerable to pull the trigger after so long.
Yeah, me too. I like to rag on him WRT environmental issues, but i wouldn't wish this on anyone. It's a true shame every time a family can't stay together. Prayers for their health...
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:14:11pm |
re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist
Because fundamentalist Christians get nervous about Mormons.
Yes, but they do sell some sexy swimwear!
[Link: www.simply-modest.com...]
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zephirus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:14:20pm |
Current estimate for Rapture Date: May 21, 2011
http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-01-01/bay-area/17466332_1_east-bay-bay-area-first-time-camping
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:14:24pm |
I have issues with 28 days later.
The zombies are consumed with rage, right? Total, all-encompassing, mindless rage. They don't eat, drink, or think.
So why don't they just tear each other apart? BAM, epidemic over in a matter of a few incredibly gory minutes.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:14:36pm |
re: #152 Mad Al-Jaffee
The movie had the best celebrity cameo ever!
"This is the part where you find out who they're going to call."
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:14:54pm |
re: #145 MrSilverDragon
I'll have to check that one out. Cool!
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Lidane Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:15:17pm |
re: #140 Irenicum
I'm more of a Shawn of the Dead kinda guy myself.
Loved Shaun of the Dead. Probably my favorite zombie film, right alongside the Evil Dead series. I'm not big on straight horror. I need to laugh at the absurdity of it all, and SotD fit that perfectly. :D
re: #145 MrSilverDragon
Check out Zombieland if you liked SotD. Two thumbs up.
YES. Zombieland was awesome. Those guys are supposedly writing the Deadpool film, which means it will be good. Hopefully.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:15:31pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:15:32pm |
You know, I've been considering bouncing out of the republican party and registering as independent. Yet with the election coming up next week I have been getting an awful lot of mailers from different groups that align themselves with the GOP.
Today I got a mailer from "The Family, Faith & Freedom Association", listing their endorsed candidates. A very thoughtful, handy little guide of candidates I will not be voting for.
I think I will be staying registered as I am now, just for the informative mailers.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:15:59pm |
re: #155 zephirus
tomorrow. it's always tomorrow...
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:16:01pm |
re: #142 Virginia Plain
Wow, are you f***ing serious?
True story. But Reagan is still a great guy, right?
Not.
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zephirus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:16:15pm |
re: #155 zephirus
Current estimate for Rapture Date: May 21, 2011
http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-01-01/bay-area/174 66332_1_east-bay-bay-area-first-time-camping
My favorite part:
Harold Camping lets out a hearty chuckle when he considers the people who believe the world will end in 2012.
"That date has not one stitch of biblical authority," Camping says from the Oakland office where he runs Family Radio, an evangelical station that reaches listeners around the world. "It's like a fairy tale."
The real date for the end of times, he says, is in 2011.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:16:41pm |
re: #155 zephirus
Current estimate for Rapture Date: May 21, 2011
http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-01-01/bay-area/174 66332_1_east-bay-bay-area-first-time-camping
I guess that means if Hucklebee campaigns for President he doesn't believe.
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:17:23pm |
re: #159 Lidane
Right after watching Shaun of the Dead I bought it, I loved it so much. Hysterically funny.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:17:23pm |
Scariest Zombie movie ever, Return of the Living Dead.
None of this "aim for the head" crap, they just keep coming, and the fresher dead are still capable of some thought and speach.
Zombie: "Send more cops!"
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:17:45pm |
re: #149 JasonA
I saw Diary of the Dead the other night. Eh.
His original trilogy is much better than his current movies. Especially the first two (I'm not a big fan of Day of the Dead.)
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:17:49pm |
re: #159 Lidane
YES. Zombieland was awesome. Those guys are supposedly writing the Deadpool film, which means it will be good. Hopefully.
Never forget to double tap!
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:17:51pm |
re: #108 ralphieboy
James Watt, Reagan's infamous Secretary of the Interior, also used that line of argument to explain why it was not necessary to conserve resources.
My English teachere in high school had a bumper sticker that read, "How much energy does it take to destroy our national forests? One Watt."
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Liberal Classic Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:18:24pm |
re: #156 Fozzie Bear
I have issues with 28 days later.
The zombies are consumed with rage, right? Total, all-encompassing, mindless rage. They don't eat, drink, or think.
So why don't they just tear each other apart? BAM, epidemic over in a matter of a few incredibly gory minutes.
This is one of the rules of zombie flicks: Zombie shall not kill zombie.
I actually liked 28 Days Later but it wasn't without problems. For one thing, if the rage virus made you vomit so much black bile, all the infecteds would have been dead from dehydration in hours.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:18:27pm |
re: #142 Virginia Plain
Wow, are you f***ing serious?
Watt periodically mentioned his Christian faith when discussing his approach to environmental management. Speaking before Congress, he once said, "I do not know how many future generations we can count on before the Lord returns, whatever it is we have to manage with a skill to leave the resources needed for future generations."
He also thought the Beach Boys were a bad influence but was ok with Wayne Newton:
From 1980 through 1982, The Beach Boys and The Grass Roots performed Independence Day concerts on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., attracting large crowds.[12][13] However, in April 1983, Watt, while serving as Secretary of the Interior, banned Independence Day concerts on the Mall by such groups. Watt said that "rock bands" that had performed on the Mall on Independence Day in 1981 and 1982 had encouraged drug use and alcoholism and had attracted the "the wrong element", who would mug people and families attending any similar events in the future.[13] Watt then announced that Las Vegas crooner Wayne Newton, a friend and supporter of President Reagan and a contributor to Republican Party political campaigns, would perform at the Mall's 1983 Independence Day celebration
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:18:55pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:19:08pm |
re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Scariest Zombie movie ever, Return of the Living Dead.
None of this "aim for the head" crap, they just keep coming, and the fresher dead are still capable of some thought and speach.
Zombie: "Send more cops!"
The undead, cut in half dog in the lab freaked me out.
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:19:10pm |
re: #165 zephirus
Camping is over the moon crazy. He came out of a very traditional CRC (Cristian Reformed Church) background, which has never been end timey. He's nuckin futs!
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:19:10pm |
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Liberal Classic Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:19:15pm |
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:19:26pm |
re: #154 darthstar
Yes, but they do sell some sexy swimwear!
[Link: www.simply-modest.com...]
They used to sell one-piece swimwear for boys, too, but apparently their customers don't mind if the boys show their tits in public.
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:19:44pm |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:19:44pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:20:10pm |
re: #167 Irenicum
Right after watching Shaun of the Dead I bought it, I loved it so much. Hysterically funny.
I recommend, to those who enjoyed Shaun of the Dead, a remarkable little movie called "Chopper Chicks in Zombie Town".
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:20:17pm |
re: #175 Mad Al-Jaffee
The undead, cut in half dog in the lab freaked me out.
The corpse who got pickaxed thru the head and nailed to the floor freaked me.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:20:29pm |
re: #180 HoosierHoops
Always wear seatbelts!
/love that movie
I'm not a big fan of zombie movies, but ZL was very entertaining.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:20:57pm |
re: #172 Liberal Classic
This is one of the rules of zombie flicks: Zombie shall not kill zombie.
I actually liked 28 Days Later but it wasn't without problems. For one thing, if the rage virus made you vomit so much black bile, all the infecteds would have been dead from dehydration in hours.
Zombies only eat live flesh. That rotten Zombie flesh gives them the runs, and Zombies aren't supposed to run.
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:22:02pm |
re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist
Looks like I've got my movie viewing set for a while!
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:22:53pm |
Speaking of movies, I watched "The Men Who Stare at Goats" last night...entertaining, but not great. Ending with a whole base tripping on acid was a classy touch though.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:23:02pm |
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:23:28pm |
re: #175 Mad Al-Jaffee
The undead, cut in half dog in the lab freaked me out.
The cat in "Reanimator" was kind of freaky too.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:23:42pm |
Speaking of batshit insane:
MMA Fighter Ripped Out, Cooked, and Ate Victim's Heart:
When police arrived, they found Wyatt naked and covered in dried blood. According to an officer at the scene, Wyatt admitted to cutting out his victim's tongue and heart. Powell's corpse included an 18-inch incision on his chest, and Wyatt allegedly said he cooked the 21-year-old's heart in a wood stove to "stop the devil."
The end is nigh.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:23:55pm |
re: #91 Walter L. Newton
The UN is still getting the US to issue waffling statements...
"Wolff said the United States "is deeply disturbed by the recent violence and regrets the tragic loss of life," considers the situation in Gaza "untenable" and will continue to urge Israel to expand the scope and type of goods allowed into the territory to meet humanitarian needs."
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
A mistake in my opinion, but I'm going to give Obama the benefit of the doubt on this one.
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:23:58pm |
re: #184 Alouette
I'm not a big fan of zombie movies, but ZL was very entertaining.
To bring this home...When everybody is raptured..I hope Bill Murray gets taken so I can live in his house like Zombieland...
unfortunately Glenn Beck isn't going anywhere so his show will still be on Fox.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:24:19pm |
re: #188 JasonA
Entry for the next LGF cookbook:
Wyatt admitted to cutting out his victim's tongue and heart. Powell's corpse included an 18-inch incision on his chest, and Wyatt allegedly said he cooked the 21-year-old's heart in a wood stove to "stop the devil."
He blamed the mushrooms...I think he has other problems and the mushrooms were just an excuse.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:24:38pm |
re: #192 HoosierHoops
To bring this home...When everybody is raptured..I hope Bill Murray gets taken so I can live in his house like Zombieland...
unfortunately Glenn Beck isn't going anywhere so his show will still be on Fox.
He'll get taken, but he'll wake up the next day back down here...
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:25:11pm |
re: #172 Liberal Classic
This is one of the rules of zombie flicks: Zombie shall not kill zombie.
I actually liked 28 Days Later but it wasn't without problems. For one thing, if the rage virus made you vomit so much black bile, all the infecteds would have been dead from dehydration in hours.
28 Days Later was the one with Sandra Bullock right? She's great!
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:25:43pm |
re: #192 HoosierHoops
To bring this home...When everybody is raptured..I hope Bill Murray gets taken so I can live in his house like Zombieland...
unfortunately Glenn Beck isn't going anywhere so his show will still be on Fox.
Oh man. Can you imagine what Beck's show will be like AFTER the Rapture?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:26:05pm |
re: #187 darthstar
Speaking of movies, I watched "The Men Who Stare at Goats" last night...entertaining, but not great. Ending with a whole base tripping on acid was a classy touch though.
My father knows the guy that movie was based on. Apparently I met him once when I was a kid.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:26:28pm |
re: #194 darthstar
He blamed the mushrooms...I think he has other problems and the mushrooms were just an excuse.
Agreed. I never wanted to eat someone's heart when I took mus... uh... look, a rainbow! Pretty!
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:26:44pm |
re: #187 darthstar
Speaking of movies, I watched "The Men Who Stare at Goats" last night...entertaining, but not great. Ending with a whole base tripping on acid was a classy touch though.
i felt exactly the same way. good, but not great.
Burn After Reading was the greatness that MWSAG was shooting for, IMHO...
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:27:07pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh man. Can you imagine what Beck's show will be like AFTER the Rapture?
/It's ok Glenn..You can go back to drinking now.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:27:08pm |
re: #189 darthstar
The cat in "Reanimator" was kind of freaky too.
The corpse holding its severed head while it did certain things I will refrain from mentioning here certainly had a high freaky rating.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:27:28pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh man. Can you imagine what Beck's show will be like AFTER the Rapture?
Just as annoying as it is now, to be sure.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:27:35pm |
re: #200 MrSilverDragon
Agreed. I never wanted to eat someone's heart when I took mus... uh... look, a rainbow! Pretty!
Marianne Faithful came out of her poster on my wall and blew me a kiss once...that was pretty cool.
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:27:40pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
I'd stick around just for the entertainment value!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:28:00pm |
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:28:08pm |
re: #204 MrSilverDragon
Just as annoying as it is now, to be sure.
I'm looking forward to hearing how he blames Obama for him getting left behind.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:29:04pm |
re: #208 JasonA
I'm looking forward to hearing how he blames Obama for him getting left behind.
+1 for making me laugh out loud, and causing the entire office to turn and look at me strangely. Nicely done.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:29:06pm |
re: #200 MrSilverDragon
Agreed. I never wanted to eat someone's heart when I took mus... uh... look, a rainbow! Pretty!
You didn't take them while taking lots and lots of steroids too.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:29:16pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh man. Can you imagine what Beck's show will be like AFTER the Rapture?
"Well, I'm certain some of you are asking 'Why did I get taken?'. We'll talk about how Obama undermined our eternal salvation on the next segment."
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:29:42pm |
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PAUL_MACDONALD Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:29:47pm |
re: #151 Irenicum
It's true. Reagan himself was really end times oriented and very superstitious.
I'll need references on that, because everything he did with regards to international affairs went against what the End Timers of the day saw as "The Signs". Read 'The Late Great Planet Earth' to see a great example of someone attempting to shoehorn current events into End Times Theology. (well one of the early editions...)
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:29:56pm |
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:30:11pm |
Excellent thunderstorms are rolling through right now. Man I love that.
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Decider Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:30:54pm |
Wow his ratings must be coming into really low to use the Armageddon-card. Just call Obama the N-word instead of calling him 'Satan'. That will triple ratings.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:31:01pm |
re: #108 ralphieboy
James Watt, Reagan's infamous Secretary of the Interior, also used that line of argument to explain why it was not necessary to conserve resources.
Watt was a laughingstock while he was SecInt, but his shtick ceased to be funny in later life:
In 1995, Watt was indicted on 25 counts of felony perjury and obstruction of justice by a federal grand jury. The indictments were due to false statements made to a grand jury investigating influence peddling at the Department of Housing and Urban Development, which he had lobbied in the mid to late 1980s.
He plea-bargained his way out. He also got busted directly advocating violence against his old nemesis, the environmental lobby:
During a March 1991 dinner event organized by the Green River Cattlemen's Association in Wyoming, Watt said, "If the troubles from environmentalists cannot be solved in the jury box or at the ballot box, perhaps the cartridge box should be used."
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:32:03pm |
re: #214 Fozzie Bear
Go take a look at the guy's picture. It's priceless, given the context. (What the fuck is with that haircut?)
Funny. He doesn't look like a foodie to me...
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:33:07pm |
re: #210 Obdicut
You didn't take them while taking lots and lots of steroids too.
Or did I...?
No, I guess I didn't... still, not the mushroom's fault! Psilocybin always gets such a bad rap.
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Liberal Classic Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:34:32pm |
Gozer the Traveler! He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:34:34pm |
re: #216 Decider
Wow his ratings must be coming into really low to use the Armageddon-card. Just call Obama the N-word instead of calling him 'Satan'. That will triple ratings.
Actually, Beck's rating are still very good. I don't like him at all, but he gets more viewers than CNN and MSNBC combined in his timeslot.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:35:13pm |
re: #221 Liberal Classic
Gozer the Traveler! He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!
Are you a god?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:35:20pm |
What's the verdict on uploading AP photos in the LGF pages? Do we know yet?
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SteveMcG Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:35:27pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh man. Can you imagine what Beck's show will be like AFTER the Rapture?
"I told you so (sob)"
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:35:41pm |
re: #222 Dark_Falcon
Actually, Beck's rating are still very good. I don't like him at all, but he gets more viewers than CNN and MSNBC combined in his timeslot.
Never underestimate the gullibility of the American public (see 2000, 2004).
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:36:10pm |
re: #220 MrSilverDragon
Or did I...?
No, I guess I didn't... still, not the mushroom's fault! Psilocybin always gets such a bad rap.
I've eaten mushrooms a few times. One time, I spent all night playing with plasticine making little sculptures, and another time, I went for a 15 mile hike along the railroad tracks behind the college I attended.
Not once did I think "I wonder what my friend's organs taste like?".
Mushrooms can't account for that kind of crazy.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:37:55pm |
re: #215 Irenicum
Excellent thunderstorms are rolling through right now. Man I love that.
There's some big black clouds blowin' in from the west
I've been driving all day, lord I sure could use some rest
There's a motel up ahead where I can unwind
Cause I sure love thuderstorms and neon signs
-Wayne Hancock
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:38:28pm |
re: #224 Killgore Trout
What's the verdict on uploading AP photos in the LGF pages? Do we know yet?
?
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:38:32pm |
The ones I worry about are the armed, disgruntled survivalist-type Christians who today are certain they'll be raptured up but will end by bein' left behind with armed, disgruntled guys like me who take a wait-and-see-but-probably-not attitude. I'm certain I'm going to have to shoot some of them.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:39:22pm |
re: #228 Fozzie Bear
I've taken mushrooms a few times. They didn't lead to any sort of aggressive ideation. My favorite time was sitting by a pool and just watching the reflection of light off of the ceiling. It put me into a beautiful trance-like state.
It was even better when I found out that I hadn't actually eaten hallucinogenic mushrooms, so what I was feeling was just my own crazy mind at work.
But the times I really have taken mushrooms, those were fun too. I'm pretty much over hallucinogens, now; reality is plenty deranged enough.
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:40:24pm |
re: #215 Irenicum
You're not alone in the t-storm watch... they're heading into the NYC metro area in time for the evening rush hour... woo!
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:40:56pm |
re: #223 Dark_Falcon
If you get asked if you are a god - you say YES! /
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:41:28pm |
re: #232 darthstar
Signs like that are essential. Did you know a Prius can be run on 80% hippie tears combined with liquefied unicorn farts?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:41:44pm |
re: #227 darthstar
Don't be so quick with that. Even Mr. Hitchens has said he would have voted for Bush in '04 had he (Hitch) been a citizen at the time.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:42:52pm |
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:43:04pm |
re: #236 Cato the Elder
Signs like that are essential. Did you know a Prius can be run on 80% hippie tears combined with liquefied unicorn farts?
I wish people would stop fucking with my unicorn. You wouldn't like it when it's angry.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:43:14pm |
I find is amusing at the number of arrogant, self righteous hypocritical pricks who simply assume they'll be raptured.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:43:16pm |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:43:22pm |
re: #227 darthstar
Never underestimate the gullibility of the American public (see 2000, 2004, 2008).
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:43:50pm |
re: #230 MandyManners
There are copyright issues. AP can get pretty nasty about bloggers uploading pics on blogs.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:44:14pm |
re: #227 darthstar
Never underestimate the gullibility of the American public (see 2000, 2004).
Well, yes. Why in 2004, over 45% of the voters were fooled into thinking that John Kerry would make decent president.
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researchok Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:45:00pm |
drjcarlucci %P% June 1, 2010 1:09 PM
Now that he's (Al Gore) rich and famous, time to move on.
Can't wait to to see the blond 30 year old environmental "activist" he dumped her for.
Talk about recycling.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:45:12pm |
re: #244 Dark_Falcon
Well, yes. Why in 2004, over 45% of the voters were fooled into thinking that John Kerry would make decent president.
We'll never know now, will we?
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:45:40pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:45:40pm |
re: #241 Alouette
"Wipe out Zionist State" almost sounds like something you'd see at a college athletic event.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:46:34pm |
re: #244 Dark_Falcon
Well, yes. Why in 2004, over 45% of the voters were fooled into thinking that John Kerry would make decent president.
ha!
good one, DF
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:46:38pm |
re: #243 Killgore Trout
There are copyright issues. AP can get pretty nasty about bloggers uploading pics on blogs.
Especially if they have been fauxto-shopped!
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:46:54pm |
re: #245 researchok
"This is very much a mutual and mutually supportive decision that we have made together following a process of long and careful consideration,"
It's their life, let them live it how they want.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:47:11pm |
re: #248 Mad Al-Jaffee
"Wipe out Zionist State" almost sounds like something you'd see at a college athletic event.
Note to self: find out where to get "Zionist State" T-shirts and sell them at the Zionist Mall.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:47:26pm |
re: #239 darthstar
I wish people would stop fucking with my unicorn. You wouldn't like it when it's angry.
Big deal. We family has a good supply of anti-unicorn 7.62x51mm ammo. Specialist softpoint rounds that are soaked in the tears of Glenn Beck, which gives them the ability to pierce the unicorn's Hopey-Change shields.
/
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researchok Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:47:28pm |
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blueraven Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:47:29pm |
re: #23 pharmmajor
I thought Beck was a Mormon; why is he pushing fanatic Christian nonsense?
Because people are starting to realize that he is a creep, and only the hardcore, batshit crazies are still taking him seriously? He is digging in and pandering to what he has left.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:47:33pm |
re: #241 Alouette
Nothing says "peace activist" like a baby wearing a bomb belt.
The worship of death.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:47:47pm |
re: #241 Alouette
Nothing says "peace activist" like a baby wearing a bomb belt.
They teach their kids to become terrorists, yet when they use their homes to launch attacks and a kid gets injured in the reprisal, its the IDFs fault.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:47:55pm |
re: #243 Killgore Trout
There are copyright issues. AP can get pretty nasty about bloggers uploading pics on blogs.
Merely linking? Strange.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:48:04pm |
re: #254 Dark_Falcon
Big deal. We family has a good supply of anti-unicorn 7.62x51mm ammo. Specialist softpoint rounds that are soaked in the tears of Glenn Beck, which gives them the ability to pierce the unicorn's Hopey-Change shields.
/
That would mean Glenn Beck is a virgin. Figures.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:48:23pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:49:11pm |
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cliffster Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:49:27pm |
12 mile run in the steamy Texas heat Sunday afternoon. I'm still fat and out of shape, but not as fat and out of shape as I was at Christmas.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:49:43pm |
re: #243 Killgore Trout
There are copyright issues. AP can get pretty nasty about bloggers uploading pics on blogs.
So far I have not received a "cease and desist" warning from AP for using their photos on my blog. They must not be as vigilant as the RIAA.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:49:47pm |
re: #259 MandyManners
Merely linking? Strange.
I'm pretty sure linking falls under 'fair use', but, then again, I don't know for sure.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:49:52pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:50:08pm |
re: #246 darthstar
We'll never know now, will we?
I think it was fairly obvious to a great many people that he would not have made a decent POTUS.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:50:11pm |
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:50:20pm |
Teabag update in CT:
CT-Sen: After three polls show Dick Blumenthal leading Linda McMahon from anywhere between 15 and 28 points, Charlie Cook reluctantly moves the race from "tossup" to "lean D". But he expects it to be back into the "tossup" category before this thing is over.
source: dKos
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:50:26pm |
re: #248 Mad Al-Jaffee
"Wipe out Zionist State" almost sounds like something you'd see at a college athletic event.
Fight, fight, fight for Zionist State...
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PAUL_MACDONALD Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:50:51pm |
re: #252 Irenicum
As to Reagan's superstitious and apocalyptic predilections, here's two sources. I'm sure there are many more, but this was what seemed fairly reliable. He was definitely an end time aficionado.
Calling BS on Hal Lindsay. Seriously? I bet that could be sourced better than Hal Lindsay himself, and it isn't.
The other one is rather contradictory to Hal Lindsay.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:50:53pm |
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:50:56pm |
re: #268 Slumbering Behemoth
I think it was fairly obvious to a great many people that he would not have made a decent POTUS.
Yes, but the guy at the drive-thru at Taco Bell would still have been a better choice than Bush.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:51:08pm |
Current video of what's going on at the rig looks like something from outer space.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:51:15pm |
re: #270 darthstar
Still hard to think of a McMahon as running for anything real.
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Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:51:18pm |
re: #227 darthstar
Never underestimate the gullibility of the American public (see 2000, 2004).
One of the many platforms that Kerry ran on was for the immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Had we done so it would have wreaked havoc in the ME that would have far exceeded the current state of the Iraq War at the time and would have had a negative effect for decades to come.
I'm one of the least gullible people you're likely to meet.
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:51:24pm |
re: #268 Slumbering Behemoth
I think it was fairly obvious to a great many people that he would not have made a decent POTUS.
I would have preferred "not decent" to awful.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:51:31pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:51:51pm |
re: #263 cliffster
12 mile run in the steamy Texas heat Sunday afternoon. I'm still fat and out of shape, but not as fat and out of shape as I was at Christmas.
Careful, big guy. Coronaries rise during the summer.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:51:55pm |
re: #263 cliffster
12 mile run in the steamy Texas heat Sunday afternoon. I'm still fat and out of shape, but not as fat and out of shape as I was at Christmas.
Ran a couple miles with the dogs this morning...not up to 12 yet. I've got a 5K race on June 12 I'm prepping for. This fat is going to go away, I'm determined.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:52:15pm |
re: #274 darthstar
Yes, but the guy at the drive-thru at Taco Bell would still have been a better choice than Bush.
Why do you hate women?/
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:52:21pm |
re: #265 Fozzie Bear
I'm pretty sure linking falls under 'fair use', but, then again, I don't know for sure.
I would think so, too.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:52:58pm |
re: #264 Alouette
So far I have not received a "cease and desist" warning from AP for using their photos on my blog. They must not be as vigilant as the RIAA.
Yeah, I think if you're small enough they'll probably leave you alone.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:53:06pm |
re: #283 JasonA
Why do you hate women?/
I love women,
I think they're great,
They're a solace to a world
in a terrible state.
--Lou Reed.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:53:12pm |
Wooowooooo!
THE MOST MATHEMETICALLY BEAUTIFUL CROP CIRCLE DISCOVERED (sic)
Our local crop circle group, the “Piltdown Men,” once included the binaries for the formation’s latitude and longitude in one of their circles.
Local media and ufo enthusiasts failed to pick up on that and had to be clued to it with an anonymous telephone call.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:53:15pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:53:23pm |
re: #274 darthstar
Hardly. And do note, the idiotic meme "he was elected because The People are gullible/stupid" is a knife that cuts both ways.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:53:31pm |
re: #258 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
They teach their kids to become terrorists, yet when they use their homes to launch attacks and a kid gets injured in the reprisal, its the IDFs fault.
And did you see the American kid whose parents gave her that anti-Israel sign, too? It's not as bad as Hezbollah, but its still rotten.
And as for Medea Benjamin using this to call attention to herself: Go soak your head, you Leftist stooge.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:54:11pm |
re: #278 recusancy
Kerry would have been worse than awful.
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Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:54:33pm |
re: #286 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I think if you're small enough they'll probably leave you alone.
I would guess as long as you're not making money off it.
I think it would be a good idea to add "AP ©" and the photographer's name if available.
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cliffster Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:54:36pm |
re: #282 darthstar
Ran a couple miles with the dogs this morning...not up to 12 yet. I've got a 5K race on June 12 I'm prepping for. This fat is going to go away, I'm determined.
That's great! 5K is the hardest race in my opinion.. it's short enough that you can't really make an excuse to loaf. If you're going 10 miles, you can't go hard the whole way. 3 miles? You gotta go at it hard the whole way.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:54:45pm |
re: #263 cliffster
12 mile run in the steamy Texas heat Sunday afternoon. I'm still fat and out of shape, but not as fat and out of shape as I was at Christmas.
I biked 35 miles Sunday in the Maryland heat (high 80s.) That's the most I've done this year, and I'm not completely sore. I'm taking a couple of days off from riding this week.
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:55:01pm |
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:55:16pm |
re: #284 MandyManners
I would think so, too.
I would be wary of uploading an AP image to photobucket or the like and then linking that, but if you link straight to the source, I don't see how you could get in trouble.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:55:20pm |
re: #291 Dark_Falcon
And did you see the American kid whose parents gave her that anti-Israel sign, too? It's not as bad as Hezbollah, but its still rotten.
And as for Medea Benjamin using this to call attention to herself: Go soak your head, you Leftist stooge.
Medea is so desperate for attention that she's hooking up with the Tea Parties.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:55:27pm |
re: #241 Alouette
Nothing says "peace activist" like a baby wearing a bomb belt.
Nothing says "peace" like some of the replies the Israeli Navy got back over the radio when they contacted the flotilla to say they were going to board them.
Among them were "Go back to Auschwitz!" and "jihad, jihad, jihad!"
I'm still waiting for My Moonbat Brother (MMB™) to send me a single link proving his contention that people, especially women and children, are "starving to death" in Gaza because of the blockade. You would think it would be easy, what with everyone on the left seeming to know all about it. On the other hand, there is this.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:55:39pm |
re: #274 darthstar
Yes, but the guy at the drive-thru at Taco Bell would still have been a better choice than Bush.
In your opinion. I do not agree. I think Bush's first term went quite well. It was only in 2005 that things really started to go wrong and that could not have been foreseen, nor were all of the things his fault.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:56:11pm |
re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist
Because fundamentalist Christians get nervous about Mormons.
I don't think most of Beck's fans even know he is a pretend Mormon; however regarding animals in heaven, I did read once that some Mormons think they will get one of those planets we are finding in the galaxy all to themselves and their harem when they die. To be fair though, that was the FLDS kind of Mormon (the original variety).
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:56:11pm |
re: #293 Slumbering Behemoth
Kerry would have been worse than awful.
Perhaps, but would he have been worse than Bush?
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cliffster Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:56:20pm |
re: #281 MandyManners
Careful, big guy. Coronaries rise during the summer.
I wonder if you can get a self-defibrillator vest. Strap that on before longer runs.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:56:35pm |
re: #288 Shiplord Kirel
Wooowooo!
THE MOST MATHEMETICALLY BEAUTIFUL CROP CIRCLE DISCOVERED (sic)
Our local crop circle group, the “Piltdown Men,” once included the binaries for the formation’s latitude and longitude in one of their circles.
Local media and ufo enthusiasts failed to pick up on that and had to be clued to it with an anonymous telephone call.
When I lived in the UK there were rapeseed fields around my house...it was quite lovely when it was in bloom.
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:56:41pm |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
In your opinion. I do not agree. I think Bush's first term went quite well. It was only in 2005 that things really started to go wrong and that could not have been foreseen, nor were all of the things his fault.
wow.
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:56:51pm |
re: #272 PAUL_MACDONALD
The fact that the Reagan's were quite superstitious is common knowledge. And as to it being contradictory to end time Christian beliefs, well they are in an intellectual sense, but it makes perfect sense psychologically. I've know too many people to count who regularly hold to mutually exclusive beliefs and don't have a problem with it. It's very common.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:57:04pm |
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cliffster Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:57:13pm |
re: #296 Mad Al-Jaffee
I biked 35 miles Sunday in the Maryland heat (high 80s.) That's the most I've done this year, and I'm not completely sore. I'm taking a couple of days off from riding this week.
You were talking about it; I wasn't sure if that was biking, as in bicycle, or biking as in motorcycling.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:57:15pm |
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:57:43pm |
Amateur astronomer photographs the X-37B spaceplane in orbit. It was on a secret mission and its orbit/inclination were supposedly secret, but amateurs had not only figured out the orbit, but are managing to take photographs using basic tech stuffs...
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:57:55pm |
re: #300 Cato the Elder
Nothing says "peace" like some of the replies the Israeli Navy got back over the radio when they contacted the flotilla to say they were going to board them.
Among them were "Go back to Auschwitz!" and "jihad, jihad, jihad!"
I'm still waiting for My Moonbat Brother (MMB™) to send me a single link proving his contention that people, especially women and children, are "starving to death" in Gaza because of the blockade. You would think it would be easy, what with everyone on the left seeming to know all about it. On the other hand, there is this.
I wish news agencies like CNN would report that, so people would better know what a bunch of vile shits the activists Islamists who attacked are.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:58:09pm |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
Nope. He started off with anti-science crap and packing NASA and other administrations with unqualified, often religious-zealot assholes from the start.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:58:21pm |
re: #300 Cato the Elder
Nothing says "peace" like some of the replies the Israeli Navy got back over the radio when they contacted the flotilla to say they were going to board them.
Among them were "Go back to Auschwitz!" and "jihad, jihad, jihad!"
I'm still waiting for My Moonbat Brother (MMB™) to send me a single link proving his contention that people, especially women and children, are "starving to death" in Gaza because of the blockade. You would think it would be easy, what with everyone on the left seeming to know all about it. On the other hand, there is this.
I just love it when people Google "Starvation in Gaza" and they get directed to my blog.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:58:23pm |
re: #309 cliffster
You were talking about it; I wasn't sure if that was biking, as in bicycle, or biking as in motorcycling.
Cycling. I've never ridden a motorcycle.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:58:29pm |
Normally I hate talking about Bush, but its substantially better than another 24 hours of that $#&(@*$ Flotilla.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:58:59pm |
re: #290 Slumbering Behemoth
Hardly. And do note, the idiotic meme "he was elected because The People are gullible/stupid" is a knife that cuts both ways.
Actually, I think Bush was reelected because Karl Rove played the "fear card" to perfection. Paranoia about another terrorist attack, don't change horsemen in the middle of an apocalypse...that kind of thing.
That, and Kerry had the personal appeal of a tub of Crisco.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 12:59:08pm |
re: #313 Obdicut
Some of the choices were just corporatist bastards >>
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:00:06pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:00:18pm |
re: #316 windsagio
Normally I hate talking about Bush, but its substantially better than another 24 hours of that $#&(@*$ Flotilla.
One of the local activists has pointed out that it should more accurately be referred to as an 'armada'.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:00:22pm |
re: #310 Slumbering Behemoth
Perhaps you need to re-read the two comments there.
Agreed...I dissed Bush and those stupid enough to vote for him...twice. The man was an epic failure, and it's a testament to this country that we survived his presidency as well as we did (economic meltdown notwithstanding)
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:00:33pm |
And we all know why Kerry was so evil right? He spoke French! Freedom fries forever!!!
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:00:34pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:00:49pm |
re: #317 darthstar
Actually, I think Bush was reelected because Karl Rove played the "fear card" to perfection. Paranoia about another terrorist attack, don't change horsemen in the middle of an apocalypse...that kind of thing.
That, and Kerry had the personal appeal of a tub of Crisco.
So wooden he sprouted branches during debates? Yeah, that was sort of a problem.
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:00:50pm |
Just to make a correction. Since Glenn is LDS, the 'rapture' and 'left behind', are two religious concepts he wouldn't ascribe to.
Just wanted to point that out...the rest is factually accurate.
Carry on now.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:00:50pm |
re: #288 Shiplord Kirel
Wooowooo!
THE MOST MATHEMETICALLY BEAUTIFUL CROP CIRCLE DISCOVERED (sic)
Our local crop circle group, the “Piltdown Men,” once included the binaries for the formation’s latitude and longitude in one of their circles.
Local media and ufo enthusiasts failed to pick up on that and had to be clued to it with an anonymous telephone call.
Do you pay the farmers for the crops you destroy? Just curious.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:00:59pm |
re: #309 cliffster
You were talking about it; I wasn't sure if that was biking, as in bicycle, or biking as in motorcycling.
I think it was a typo and he meant "hiking". ;D
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:01:37pm |
re: #318 windsagio
Some of the choices were just corporatist bastards >>
A giant douche or a turd sandwich? You decide. VOTE OR DIE!!11!1!one!!eleven1!11!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:02:10pm |
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:02:13pm |
re: #324 SanFranciscoZionist
So wooden he sprouted branches during debates? Yeah, that was sort of a problem.
Just a tiny hit of acid would have loosened him up enough to win, I think.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:02:20pm |
OK everyone.... I have to tell you that yes indeedy we are in the end times.
The world will end as you know it, April 27, 2094.
As I have intimated many times before, I am only joking when I say that I am a Lord of Remulak - or even a physicist in the professional sense. Though to be fair, my grade school and highschool physics education surpasses most of your physicists understandings of today.
I am actually an historian from the year 3152.
I was born in the suburbs of New Washington, Western Directorate, in September of 3121 - your calendar.
So let me tell you a little about the future. I actually can't change the past, because I didn't. It is rather cool how physics and mother nature always cover for themselves. If you are interested in the mathematics, you can look at converging Cauchy Sequences on the event manifold - and remember to take into account the nature of Anti-DeSitter space. But, I digress, the physics is that telling you the future will not hurt anything in the timeline.
On April 27, 2094, a massive portion of the Greenland ice sheet gives way. There had been - or will be - from your perspective, growing tensions and simmering border wars as refugees and pestilence spread from environmentally impacted regions. Millions had already died, but they were mostly in Asia and Africa even though the heat wave of 2052 had killed hundreds of thousands of old people and small children in Europe and the Middle East, and 10,000 Americans died in the first recorded F6 super tornado in 2037. However, the old order - US, EU, China, Russia had through a series of strict rationing, sharp quashing of unrest and control of media managed to maintain control. The flood - as it was later called - put an end to all that, and the US fragmented, mostly along age old lines of divide, following a coup when the US army refused orders to shoot food rioters in Dayton Ohio. There would have likely been a repeat of the American Civil war had not the the pandemic of 2095 wiped out 1/5 of the world's population and Washington (the levees were not up to it), NY, Baltimore, Charleston, Houston, Boston not been lost in one season of storms and flooding that never really receded. The devastation to Europe and Pacific Asia also put an end to the old order. Fortunately, after the Indian/Pakistani nuclear exchange of 2045 and the Chechen nuclear strike on Moscow in 2046, which resulted in the atomic annihilation of Chechnya, world diplomats were able to put a sufficient hold on nuclear stockpiles that atomic weapons were not used on a wide scale as societies broke down. ronically using a bomb supplied by Irani sympathizers and a design purchased by Iran from the Russians. When the Republic of Texas seized control of it's own nuclear arsenal, they left the union without a hiccup. When the agriculture of Texas completely collapsed, they were let back in to an alliance with the New Confederacy of Christian States, without a hiccup. That Confederacy collapsed as food and water became scare and members of the State Church who were not considered "elect" had their rations cut.
But that is all grim news. The future is not all death and destruction.
This paved the way to a period great adventure and romance. Tremendous heroes and villains arose in the former United States. The Democarcy of Iowa became a beacon of education and rebuilding in the late 22nd century. With the absorption by Canada of the New England alliance, much technology was saved, and Canada was able to secure her southern border from raids. The badlands of the American Southwest were once again under the rule of law by 2311. The surviving population of the Earth - we estimate some one billion souls -managed to unify causes and set aside old hatreds for mutual protection and advancement by the mid 23rd century. By the 24th century, many lost species were brought back from extinction via genetic engineering and cloning from preserved tissue samples.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:02:29pm |
re: #328 Fozzie Bear
I actually think Kerry wasn't that bad.
Not good, mind you, but not bad. The job they did on him was masterful tho', and for the history books.
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researchok Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:02:43pm |
Courtesy of Elder of Ziyon: Tikkun Magazine wants to say Kaddish for terrorists
So let's get this straight: Israelis board a ship to make sure there is no contraband, weapons, explosives, etc on board. They are assaulted and beaten at least a few remain in critical or serious condition..
The brilliant and sensitive minds at Tikkun want to recite the Jewish Prayer for the Dead, honoring terrorists who tried to kill Jews.
Might I suggest Rabbi Lerner and the other progressives at Tikkun go for the whole brisket and announce they will say the Kaddish Prayer for Adolph Hitler and all the legion of lesser anti semites who have managed to kill millions of Jews. Perhaps he might consider announcing a fast day to commemorate such greats as Amin al Husseini, Sheikh Yassin and so on.
Not to keep things somber, perhaps Rabbi Lerner might announce a joyous holiday celebrating current anti semites in the Arab world and wherever they might be found. I'm sure Pat Buchanan, Lew Rockwell and Alex Jones would be honored.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:02:50pm |
re: #313 Obdicut
Nope. He started off with anti-science crap and packing NASA and other administrations with unqualified, often religious-zealot assholes from the start.
But he also (and in my mind more importantly) cut taxes for me and my family, responded resolutely to 9/11, and started funding America's military properly again.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:03:09pm |
Code Pink and CAIR advocating for the destruction of Israel.
Notice anything missing from the map here ?
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:03:38pm |
re: #334 Dark_Falcon
But he also (and in my mind more importantly) cut taxes for me and my family, responded resolutely to 9/11, and started funding America's military properly again.
Something bad, something any president would have done, and a lie in that order.
Hot!
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:03:56pm |
re: #325 Oh no...Sand People!
I don't think Glenn is "orthodox" by any standard, Mormon or otherwise. His having end time guests such as Joel Rosenberg and his constant harping on conspiracy theories go together like peanut butter and jelly.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:04:02pm |
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:04:24pm |
re: #328 Fozzie Bear
A giant douche or a turd sandwich? You decide. VOTE OR DIE!!11!1!one!!eleven1!11!
I'll take the chicken.
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freetoken Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:04:39pm |
re: #335 Killgore Trout
KT, put up a comment on the spin-off which you (and I) down-dinged which you might find interesting.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:05:25pm |
re: #333 researchok
Courtesy of Elder of Ziyon: Tikkun Magazine wants to say Kaddish for terrorists
So let's get this straight: Israelis board a ship to make sure there is no contraband, weapons, explosives, etc on board. They are assaulted and beaten at least a few remain in critical or serious condition..
The brilliant and sensitive minds at Tikkun want to recite the Jewish Prayer for the Dead, honoring terrorists who tried to kill Jews.
Might I suggest Rabbi Lerner and the other progressives at Tikkun go for the whole brisket and announce they will say the Kaddish Prayer for Adolph Hitler and all the legion of lesser anti semites who have managed to kill millions of Jews. Perhaps he might consider announcing a fast day to commemorate such greats as Amin al Husseini, Sheikh Yassin and so on.
Not to keep things somber, perhaps Rabbi Lerner might announce a joyous holiday celebrating current anti semites in the Arab world and wherever they might be found. I'm sure Pat Buchanan, Lew Rockwell and Alex Jones would be honored.
Lerner can't help but talk out his ass, since his head spends all its time up there.
/spits (on Lerner)
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:05:28pm |
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:05:57pm |
re: #337 Irenicum
I don't think Glenn is "orthodox" by any standard, Mormon or otherwise. His having end time guests such as Joel Rosenberg and his constant harping on conspiracy theories go together like peanut butter and jelly.
Oh, he definitely goes where the money is. I'll give him that.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:06:51pm |
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webevintage Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:06:54pm |
re: #328 Fozzie Bear
A giant douche or a turd sandwich? You decide. VOTE OR DIE!!11!1!one!!eleven1!11!
"every election is between a Giant Douche and a Turd"
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:07:00pm |
re: #326 Naso Tang
Do you pay the farmers for the crops you destroy? Just curious.
I am not destroying any crops.
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:07:41pm |
re: #334 Dark_Falcon
But he also (and in my mind more importantly)
cut taxes for me and my familyincreased deficit,responded resolutely to 9/11did what any president would do, andstarted funding America's military properly againbogged down and stretched our military beyond capacity invading a country that did not attack us.
fify
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:08:00pm |
re: #334 Dark_Falcon
But he also (and in my mind more importantly) cut taxes for me and my family, responded resolutely to 9/11, and started funding America's military properly again.
That you feel that cutting taxes for you and your is more important than upholding good science is incredibly fucking depressing to me. It's astonishing to me.
I also think that focusing on Iraq rather than terrorism was a gigantic mistake in terms of response to 9/11. But that's arguable.
But preferring lower taxes (without, I'd note, lower spending to go with them, so simply an increase to the deficit) to good science? I'm very, very sad to hear you say that.
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:08:04pm |
I feel very very small now:
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:08:24pm |
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:08:26pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:08:49pm |
re: #341 freetoken
KT, put up a comment on the spin-off which you (and I) down-dinged which you might find interesting.
Ah thanks. To be honest I didn't even look into it. I just don't trust some wingnut blog citing some economics survey. I felt pretty confident that it wasn't even worthy of a fact check but thanks for doing the work.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:09:01pm |
I think this is a good thing. Beck is incrementally peeling off moderate support by his point of view. As he gets crazier, his audience shrinks.
All we need now is to convince Beck that a specific date is needed to round out his prediction, and he will have completely jumped the shark.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:09:03pm |
re: #336 windsagio
Something bad, something any president would have done, and a lie in that order.
Hot!
Not going to debate this further. We won't change each other's minds. All we'll do is annoy each other.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:09:48pm |
re: #333 researchok
Courtesy of Elder of Ziyon: Tikkun Magazine wants to say Kaddish for terrorists
So let's get this straight: Israelis board a ship to make sure there is no contraband, weapons, explosives, etc on board. They are assaulted and beaten at least a few remain in critical or serious condition..
The brilliant and sensitive minds at Tikkun want to recite the Jewish Prayer for the Dead, honoring terrorists who tried to kill Jews.
Might I suggest Rabbi Lerner and the other progressives at Tikkun go for the whole brisket and announce they will say the Kaddish Prayer for Adolph Hitler and all the legion of lesser anti semites who have managed to kill millions of Jews. Perhaps he might consider announcing a fast day to commemorate such greats as Amin al Husseini, Sheikh Yassin and so on.
Not to keep things somber, perhaps Rabbi Lerner might announce a joyous holiday celebrating current anti semites in the Arab world and wherever they might be found. I'm sure Pat Buchanan, Lew Rockwell and Alex Jones would be honored.
In the future, such questions of apostate Jews have solved themselves. None of Rabbi Lerner's descendent's were Jewish because of intermarriage and disinterest. The main center of Jewish culture, in the Toronto protectorate is a vibrant but small community.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:09:49pm |
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:09:59pm |
re: #331 LudwigVanQuixote
So, what is your book going to be called?
Are you going to be mentioning how much suffering could have been avoided if birth control had been promoted by the world's authorities on procreation, instead of doing the opposite?
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:10:18pm |
re: #351 Obdicut
That you feel that cutting taxes for you and your is more important than upholding good science is incredibly fucking depressing to me. It's astonishing to me.
I also think that focusing on Iraq rather than terrorism was a gigantic mistake in terms of response to 9/11. But that's arguable.
But preferring lower taxes (without, I'd note, lower spending to go with them, so simply an increase to the deficit) to good science? I'm very, very sad to hear you say that.
That's what took us so long to realize the (R)'s were as worthless, if not moreso than the (D)'s. Sure they cut a few taxes...but it was when it finally dawned that they spend cash like drunk's in the pub that we finally said forget them to. Slow learners..but trying to learn.
Well, I can't say 'we'...but I can say 'me'.
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webevintage Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:10:35pm |
re: #354 Charles
Wow. Edward Peck. The old State Department antisemite crawls out from under his rock.
The flotilla incident has really worked the Jew-haters up into a frenzy.
Can Patrick J. Buchanan be far behind?
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:10:49pm |
Gulf Oil Spill: James Cameron Tapped By Feds For Cleanup Advice
In other news, Michael Bay has been asked for his input on how to drill the relief well faster.
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:10:57pm |
re: #352 Oh no...Sand People!
OK, wow. I'm officially amazed. That is exceedingly cool!
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:11:17pm |
re: #354 Charles
Wow. Edward Peck. The old State Department antisemite crawls out from under his rock.
The flotilla incident has really worked the Jew-haters up into a frenzy.
He was on the flotilla too.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:11:25pm |
re: #361 Oh no...Sand People!
I think they're actually worse.
"Tax and spend" vs "Don't tax, but spend just as much".
Nobody loves a deficit like a Republican... Especially since they can then use the terribly high deficit as a campaigning tool!
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:11:53pm |
re: #354 Charles
Wow. Edward Peck. The old State Department antisemite crawls out from under his rock.
The flotilla incident has really worked the Jew-haters up into a frenzy.
The Israelis boarding a ship running a blockade, further proof the Zionist hate machine.
Any other nation on the face of the earth doing the same thing, a right granted to any sovereign nation in its own defense.
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cliffster Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:12:16pm |
re: #357 Dark_Falcon
Not going to debate this further. We won't change each other's minds. All we'll do is annoy each other.
True. But good lord, am I glad Kerry was not elected. Give me that, and a one-term Obama, and I'll never ask for anything again, cross my heart and stick a needle in my eye.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:12:20pm |
re: #363 JasonA
Gulf Oil Spill: James Cameron Tapped By Feds For Cleanup Advice
In other news, Michael Bay has been asked for his input on how to drill the relief well faster.
Life imitates South Park! Remember the Imaginationland episode where the government asks filmmakers for advice?
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Irenicum Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:12:27pm |
Well another round of lightning is coming through and my battery is almost dead. See y'all later!
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:12:31pm |
re: #366 windsagio
I think they're actually worse.
"Tax and spend" vs "Don't tax, but spend just as much".
Nobody loves a deficit like a Republican... Especially since they can then use the terribly high deficit as a campaigning tool!
No argument there.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:12:51pm |
re: #369 Mad Al-Jaffee
Life imitates South Park! Remember the Imaginationland episode where the government asks filmmakers for advice?
And Mel Gibson gave them the best advice.
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researchok Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:13:00pm |
re: #358 LudwigVanQuixote
In the future, such questions of apostate Jews have solved themselves. None of Rabbi Lerner's descendent's were Jewish because of intermarriage and disinterest. The main center of Jewish culture, in the Toronto protectorate is a vibrant but small community.
That pronouncement, under the guise of 'sensitivity' made me want to retch.
At some point, enough is enough.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:13:15pm |
re: #361 Oh no...Sand People!
That's what took us so long to realize the (R)'s were as worthless, if not moreso than the (D)'s. Sure they cut a few taxes...but it was when it finally dawned that they spend cash like drunk's in the pub that we finally said forget them to. Slow learners..but trying to learn.
Well, I can't say 'we'...but I can say 'me'.
It's not just the cutting taxes. It's not just the war. It's the cutting taxes while engaging in a very expensive war on 2 fronts. That is the part that strikes me as monumentally stupid.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:13:52pm |
re: #366 windsagio
I think they're actually worse.
"Tax and spend" vs "Don't tax, but spend just as much".
Nobody loves a deficit like a Republican... Especially since they can then use the terribly high deficit as a campaigning tool!
so where does BO fit into your deficit notions?
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:14:17pm |
re: #335 Killgore Trout
Nope. Not seeing it whatsoever. /
Oh, and here's a few photos from yesterday's demonstrations outside the UN. Demands to eliminate Israel and "free" Palestine from the Med to the Jordan River.
Israel=Nazis imagery present in demonstrations elsewhere.
Food shortages? Nope. Not in Gaza (but there is a Gilad Shalit sighting).
And while the captions claim that power shortages are the result of Israel not letting power and oil through, the truth is a little more complicated. People are looking to buy power generators because Hamas has let the infrastructure go to crap. And Gazans are looking to spend money to buy white goods like washers and dryers. That's not exactly something people do when they're struggling to feed themselves on a daily basis.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:14:21pm |
re: #363 JasonA
Gulf Oil Spill: James Cameron Tapped By Feds For Cleanup Advice
In other news, Michael Bay has been asked for his input on how to drill the relief well faster.
I think Cameron is being asked for advice with regard to keeping a running film on the effort (without having to rely on the remote subs, which need to do other things besides stare at the leak)
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:15:11pm |
re: #375 albusteve
A little better than the last few, because he's been at least willing to discuss increasing revenue :)
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cliffster Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:15:30pm |
re: #375 albusteve
so where does BO fit into your deficit notions?
He wouldn't be doing all that deficit spending if it wasn't for Bush.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:16:30pm |
re: #358 LudwigVanQuixote
In the future, such questions of apostate Jews have solved themselves. None of Rabbi Lerner's descendent's were Jewish because of intermarriage and disinterest. The main center of Jewish culture, in the Toronto protectorate is a vibrant but small community.
Yes, and the Toronter Rebbe will spend most of his waking days trying to discourage the flood of converts to Jewish Orthodoxy.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:16:42pm |
re: #379 cliffster
He wouldn't be doing all that deficit spending if it wasn't for Bush.
Well, up until Jan 21, 2009, deficits didn't matter.
/
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:17:10pm |
A few years ago, a very nice crop circle happened to appear in a high grass pasture that I just happen to own. This may have been the result of some kind of harmonic affinity rooted in my having been born within sight of Stonehenge on midsummer day.
Or not.
Just saying.
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:17:27pm |
re: #367 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The Israelis boarding a ship running a blockade, further proof the Zionist hate machine.
Any other nation on the face of the earth doing the same thing, a right granted to any sovereign nation in its own defense.
More anti semites:
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:17:43pm |
re: #379 cliffster
He wouldn't be doing all that deficit spending if it wasn't for Bush.
a childish double standard
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:18:05pm |
re: #377 darthstar
I think Cameron is being asked for advice with regard to keeping a running film on the effort (without having to rely on the remote subs, which need to do other things besides stare at the leak)
True, but it's still kind of funny.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:20:07pm |
I guess folks are surprised at all the bi-partisan anti-Semitism in America.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:20:41pm |
re: #331 LudwigVanQuixote
Hi Ludwig!
OT
I read in the paper that we have new physics to ponder-Neutrinos do have mass as proven by a detector on Italy receiving neutron from CERN. So the amount of dark matter to even out the equations is less. If I understood anyway.
Excerpt
"The new finding is important because in the theories now used to explain the behavior of fundamental particles, called the Standard Model, neutrinos have no mass.
But if they have no mass, they cannot oscillate between muon and tau forms. The fact that they do oscillate indicates that they have mass and that the fundamentals of the Standard Model need some reworking, at the very least."
Hey if I disagree does that make me a Con-CERN troll? ;-)>
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:20:48pm |
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:20:50pm |
Speaking of lying politicians (we're not? oh, well...but now that I mention it...)
What think you of Mark Kirk? Is his lying about his military record any better than Blumenthal's?
If you're just joining us, Kirk, a U.S. Naval Reserve officer, really has served honorably, but he's also made several claims about his service record that proved to be false. First, Kirk claimed to be "the only member of Congress to serve in Operation Iraqi Freedom." That turned out to be untrue -- Kirk served during the conflict, not in it. Second, Kirk claimed to "command the war room in the Pentagon," which also turned out to be untrue. Over the weekend we learned that Kirk repeatedly claimed to have received the U.S. Navy's Intelligence Officer of the Year award, which was also wildly misleading.
(there is no "Intelligence Officer of the Year" award, apparently)
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:21:24pm |
re: #376 lawhawk
Most meat and produce is readily available in Gaza despite the Israeli blockade (smuggling is playing a role), but some produce that is being grown in Gaza can't be exported and is therefore being fed to animals or goes to waste.
That's right - stuff that is being grown as food for export can't - so it's either being fed to animals or goes to waste - not exactly the situation if you have a starving populace.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:21:58pm |
re: #354 Charles
Wow. Edward Peck. The old State Department antisemite crawls out from under his rock.
The flotilla incident has really worked the Jew-haters up into a frenzy.
And it will continue to do so, exactly as planned by the organizers. As long as Israel can not get a fair shake or convince people to accurately look at the history or events, every such situation presents a lose for Israel. It is for them a question of how much of a loss will they take.
This is why I am very much of the opinion that since Israel will never be treated fairly when they take inordinate risks to their own people to try to be liked, they should rather instead handle these things to the same standards the US would handle them militarily. That is to say, the US Navy does not play these games when enforcing a blockade. The US army will shell a site, or call an air strike, if they are taking fire from a difficult to approach position. The marines will put a bullet int eh head of someone trying to set explosives.
If Israel would fight this to win, they might win and the world would whine all the same. If Israel continues like this, they can only be worn down through attrition.
Please do not read this as a desire on my part to see conflict escalate or a ghoulish desire for vengeance or increased body count. The path that Israel is on, loses. If the sword is forced into their hand - partially because of Israeli sensitivity to using it - then they must use it sooner or later.
I suppose the real irony of it is, that if Israel were just fighting to the standards of the US or Europeans, there would be a much higher body count. If Israel were actually 1/2 as bad as the far left makes them to be, there would be no Palestinians left to complain. The reality is that the Israelis really are the only ones in the region who want peace. This is why there has not been a massive bloodletting.
What I am arguing though is that if it comes to a bloodletting, and it is a choice between my friends, family and culture surviving, or the victory of yet another brutal Islamic dictatorship, I know full well where I stand on who I want to win, and I am very much at peace with the fact that a real war may be unavoidable. This is not a game. The stakes ultimately are victory or annihilation.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:22:35pm |
re: #360 Naso Tang
So, what is your book going to be called?
Are you going to be mentioning how much suffering could have been avoided if birth control had been promoted by the world's authorities on procreation, instead of doing the opposite?
I already mentioned that the first and hardest hit are in Africa and Asia.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:23:20pm |
re: #387 Spare O'Lake
I guess folks are surprised at all the bi-partisan anti-Semitism in America.
There's a lot of anger about the Gaza flotilla fiasco and skepticism about the Israeli government, but I don't see anyone on either side attacking the religion of Judaism...but I'm sure some people are...there are assholes everywhere.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:23:36pm |
re: #387 Spare O'Lake
Is it all (the rest) of America, or the smaller local community that has the cloudy vision tho?
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:23:38pm |
re: #377 darthstar
I think Cameron is being asked for advice with regard to keeping a running film on the effort (without having to rely on the remote subs, which need to do other things besides stare at the leak)
Not suprising. NASA contacted the Babylon 5 guys for design advice for some of their projects. Got to go where the experts are.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:24:13pm |
re: #391 lawhawk
Also, most of the equipment on the flotilla was unusable junnk and expired medicine. The only reason they want the blockade lifted in to import weapons.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:24:30pm |
re: #394 darthstar
Also seriously, its fucking stupid that anyone who is negative about Israel is 'anti-semetic'. Talk about diluting a term!
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:24:39pm |
re: #394 darthstar
There's a lot of anger about the Gaza flotilla fiasco and skepticism about the Israeli government, but I don't see anyone on either side attacking the religion of Judaism...but I'm sure some people are...there are assholes everywhere.
www.digg.com
That's my favorite den of anti semitism...
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:25:04pm |
re: #392 LudwigVanQuixoteIf Israel would fight this to win, they might win and the world would whine all the same. If Israel continues like this, they can only be worn down through attrition.
Israel has NEVER been allowed to fight to "win". They have always been stopped by...the USA!
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:25:13pm |
re: #397 Killgore Trout
Also, most of the equipment on the flotilla was unusable junnk and expired medicine. The only reason they want the blockade lifted in to import weapons.
Plus the chance to make Israel look bad.
I'd have fouled the engines and let them rot at sea personally.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:25:47pm |
re: #400 Spare O'Lake
And the US lost Vitenam because those damn anti-war prostesters wouldn't let us fight all out right?
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:26:12pm |
re: #399 Oh no...Sand People!
www.digg.com
That's my favorite den of anti semitism...
I have no intention of visiting anti-semitic sites. I figure the less attention they get, the better. They aren't worth my time.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:26:13pm |
re: #401 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Plus the chance to make Israel look bad.
I'd have fouled the engines and let them rot at sea personally.
Well... they do have plenty of food on those ships, right?/
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:26:31pm |
re: #398 windsagio
Also seriously, its fucking stupid that anyone who is negative about Israel is 'anti-semetic'. Talk about diluting a term!
about the same as being called a Nazi if you support border security
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researchok Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:27:12pm |
re: #392 LudwigVanQuixote
And it will continue to do so, exactly as planned by the organizers. As long as Israel can not get a fair shake or convince people to accurately look at the history or events, every such situation presents a lose for Israel. It is for them a question of how much of a loss will they take.
This is why I am very much of the opinion that since Israel will never be treated fairly when they take inordinate risks to their own people to try to be liked, they should rather instead handle these things to the same standards the US would handle them militarily. That is to say, the US Navy does not play these games when enforcing a blockade. The US army will shell a site, or call an air strike, if they are taking fire from a difficult to approach position. The marines will put a bullet int eh head of someone trying to set explosives.
If Israel would fight this to win, they might win and the world would whine all the same. If Israel continues like this, they can only be worn down through attrition.
Please do not read this as a desire on my part to see conflict escalate or a ghoulish desire for vengeance or increased body count. The path that Israel is on, loses. If the sword is forced into their hand - partially because of Israeli sensitivity to using it - then they must use it sooner or later.
I suppose the real irony of it is, that if Israel were just fighting to the standards of the US or Europeans, there would be a much higher body count. If Israel were actually 1/2 as bad as the far left makes them to be, there would be no Palestinians left to complain. The reality is that the Israelis really are the only ones in the region who want peace. This is why there has not been a massive bloodletting.
What I am arguing though is that if it comes to a bloodletting, and it is a choice between my friends, family and culture surviving, or the victory of yet another brutal Islamic dictatorship, I know full well where I stand on who I want to win, and I am very much at peace with the fact that a real war may be unavoidable. This is not a game. The stakes ultimately are victory or annihilation.
Well said.
It is of great importance that the world understand that when it comes to protecting her people, Israel will not waffle. History has shown that she has few real friends- ones who will act rather than watch when things go bad.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:27:14pm |
re: #388 Rightwingconspirator
Hi Ludwig!
OTI read in the paper that we have new physics to ponder-Neutrinos do have mass as proven by a detector on Italy receiving neutron from CERN. So the amount of dark matter to even out the equations is less. If I understood anyway.
Excerpt
"The new finding is important because in the theories now used to explain the behavior of fundamental particles, called the Standard Model, neutrinos have no mass.But if they have no mass, they cannot oscillate between muon and tau forms. The fact that they do oscillate indicates that they have mass and that the fundamentals of the Standard Model need some reworking, at the very least."
Hey if I disagree does that make me a Con-CERN troll? ;-)>
First off, the Super Kamio-Kande experiment in Japan showed through analysis of neutrino oscillations that neutrinos have mass about a decade ago.
Second off, con-CERN troll is the worst pun I have ever seen here. I don't know whether to salute you or seek your vaporization.
Third off the implications of neutrino mass are vast. It caused a tremendous need to re-write many things in string theory. Since the mass was so small, it did not effect standard model physics as gravely as it could have.
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:27:32pm |
re: #405 albusteve
about the same as being called a Nazi if you support border security
Yup. Fuck the extreme useless rhetoric on both sides.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:27:32pm |
re: #405 albusteve
I think you're confusing me with someone else, Steve.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:27:42pm |
re: #402 windsagio
And the US lost Vitenam because those damn anti-war prostesters wouldn't let us fight all out right?
the war wasn't lost...where did you get that sort of history from?
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:27:47pm |
re: #387 Spare O'Lake
I guess folks are surprised at all the bi-partisan anti-Semitism in America.
Not really.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:28:15pm |
re: #405 albusteve
about the same as being called a Nazi if you support border security
Yep. The term "Nazi" is thrown around so much anymore that in another five or ten years it will carry almost no rhetorical value...and the subject of this thread (Glenn Beck) is one of the biggest contributors to that.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:28:24pm |
re: #410 albusteve
the war wasn't lost...where did you get that sort of history from?
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:28:40pm |
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:29:48pm |
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Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:29:54pm |
Protest photo...
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Also notice the flag of Hezbollah on the right.
This was in Finland.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:30:32pm |
re: #415 Spare O'Lake
re: #398 windsagio
A person who wishes for the destruction of the State of Israel or who denies its right to exist is an anti-Semite.
Okay...point out the Americans who are calling for the destruction of the State of Israel. I'm waiting...I'll need actual names and quotes, and I'll personally write each one and tell them to fuck off.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:30:32pm |
re: #399 Oh no...Sand People!
www.digg.com
That's my favorite den of anti semitism...
Digg is just a place where people post links to other places. I wouldn't say that it is "anti-Semitic" per se, but maybe a bunch of anti-Semites use it to promote links to Stormfront and Rense.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:30:38pm |
re: #415 Spare O'Lake
I don't think you'll find a lot of 'bipartisan antisemitism' in the US under those criteria tho'. There are certainly extremists on both sides, but its hardly a meaningful force on either the left or the right here.
I'll gladly admit I'm wrong if you can show proof.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:31:04pm |
re: #412 darthstar
Yep. The term "Nazi" is thrown around so much anymore that in another five or ten years it will carry almost no rhetorical value...and the subject of this thread (Glenn Beck) is one of the biggest contributors to that.
agreed and I find it quite despicable people here call other posters Nazis
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:31:06pm |
re: #418 darthstar
Well there are those nazis, but that wasn't the thrust of the post, imo >>
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:31:09pm |
re: #410 albusteve
the war wasn't lost...where did you get that sort of history from?
ROFL. Yeah, we won when Saigon fell, and we airlifted the last of our troops out on 4/29/1975. We just decided to express our victory by letting the opposing army take the capital of the country we were defending...
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:31:20pm |
re: #419 Alouette
Digg is just a place where people post links to other places. I wouldn't say that it is "anti-Semitic" per se, but maybe a bunch of anti-Semites use it to promote links to Stormfront and Rense.
Or Al Jazeera, etc.. but it is well dominated by scum.
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:31:35pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:31:40pm |
re: #407 LudwigVanQuixote
Who let Dr. Manhattan access this blog?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:31:45pm |
re: #402 windsagio
And the US lost Vitenam because those damn anti-war prostesters wouldn't let us fight all out right?
That was part of the reason, yes. A bigger part was the failure of the military to understand the sort of war it was fighting.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:31:49pm |
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:31:54pm |
re: #417 Gus 802
And that guy carrying the Hizbullah flag was wearing a t-shirt with the grinning mug of Nasrallah - the head of Hizbullah, who is busy destabilizing the situation in Lebanon.
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researchok Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:32:07pm |
re: #387 Spare O'Lake
I guess folks are surprised at all the bi-partisan anti-Semitism in America.
I don't see antisemitism behind every door door, especially here in the US.
What I do see is ignorance and a willingness to be manipulated by those with an agenda, including the media.
Sad- and infuriating.
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Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:32:26pm |
re: #429 lawhawk
And that guy carrying the Hizbullah flag was wearing a t-shirt with the grinning mug of Nasrallah - the head of Hizbullah, who is busy destabilizing the situation in Lebanon.
Thanks for the ID. I was looking at that.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:32:31pm |
Two underwater saws at work cutting away bits on the Riser. I believe that steel is 440.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:32:34pm |
re: #428 albusteve
They let me off, 'cuz the teacher thought I was sexy.
Its fortunate really, my hotness got me all the way through college.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:32:43pm |
Surprise! O'Keefe edits out inconvenient footage from new BigGovernment video
In a video posted on BigGovernment.com, conservative filmmaker James O'Keefe claims that he has uncovered census supervisors in a New Jersey office "systematically encouraging employees to falsify information on their time sheets." Following his pattern of selectively editing videos, O'Keefe excluded a clip -- which was subsequently aired by ABC -- of a census leader telling workers that they must carefully and accurately report on their time sheets the number of miles they drive when they are doing their enumeration work.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:33:11pm |
re: #407 LudwigVanQuixote
I was unfamiliar with the earlier tests. Worst pun ever here? Well that's something I should either be proud of or just find a really good bomb shelter. Or both maybe.
Honestly its mostly way over my head but I am fascinated by the detector. Bricks of film. Way cool.
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Slap Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:33:15pm |
re: #362 webevintage
Can Patrick J. Buchanan be far behind?
Can Patrick J Buchanan be anything BUT behind?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:33:18pm |
re: #421 albusteve
agreed and I find it quite despicable people here call other posters Nazis
Yeah, people who do that are worse than Hitler!
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researchok Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:33:39pm |
re: #429 lawhawk
And that guy carrying the Hizbullah flag was wearing a t-shirt with the grinning mug of Nasrallah - the head of Hizbullah, who is busy destabilizing the situation in Lebanon.
My favorite Nasrallah quote-
"It is good there are so many Jews in Israel. It saves us the trouble of having to round them up."
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:33:40pm |
re: #429 lawhawk
And that guy carrying the Hizbullah flag was wearing a t-shirt with the grinning mug of Nasrallah - the head of Hizbullah, who is busy destabilizing the situation in Lebanon.
Do they or don't they have scuds?
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:33:41pm |
We need to get this heat off of Israel.
Quick! Someone draw Mohammed!
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:33:48pm |
re: #435 Killgore Trout
Surprise! O'Keefe edits out inconvenient footage from new BigGovernment video
O'Keefe is a worthless piece of shit and an admitted felon.
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:34:26pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:34:26pm |
re: #426 Mad Al-Jaffee
Who let Dr. Manhattan access this blog?
Well, you might notice, I actually am a physicist. Alas, however much I have tried, I can not through force of concentration vaporize the insolent, or make multiple copies of myself to romp with Miss. S.
However, top scientists are working on it :)
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:34:27pm |
re: #421 albusteve
The biggest internet meme ever is about htat very subject, so trust me that most people agree with you.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:35:49pm |
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:35:53pm |
re: #445 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, you might notice, I actually am a physicist. Alas, however much I have tried, I can not through force of concentration vaporize the insolent, or make multiple copies of myself to romp with Miss. S.
However, top scientists are working on it :)
When you are done could you please clone Megan Fox and send her my way?
/
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:36:06pm |
re: #436 windsagio
"440"?
Help a brother out :D
440 is an SAE steel grade. It is a high grade with more carbon, one of the hardest stainless steels when hardened.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:36:37pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:37:07pm |
re: #427 Dark_Falcon
That was part of the reason, yes. A bigger part was the failure of the military to understand the sort of war it was fighting.
by 1969 the Viet Cong were exterminate and the NVA was beaten down to the point they could not even field one combat division...what the hell are you talking about?...the war or the political aftermath of out intervention?....what you are implying is factually wrong
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:37:26pm |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:37:30pm |
re: #418 darthstar
Okay...point out the Americans who are calling for the destruction of the State of Israel. I'm waiting...I'll need actual names and quotes, and I'll personally write each one and tell them to fuck off.
Without the blockade of Gaza and controlled border crossings between Gaza/the West Bank and Israel there would soon be no State of Israel. When Code Pink and CAIR demonstrate with a flag showing the Pali flag over the entire State of Israel, what does that tell you?
Do you realize that you are in a state of denial?
Start writing.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:38:26pm |
re: #454 Spare O'Lake
Heh, are you actually saying hte only thing saving Israel from destruction is the Gaza blockade?
Wowzers!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:38:32pm |
re: #443 darthstar
O'Keefe is a worthless piece of shit and an admitted felon.
Quite Concur. He's been caught playing games with his footage too many times to be considered a credible source.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:38:48pm |
re: #425 recusancy
What about someone who thinks Israel is making stupid decisions and harming itself and its best ally, America, in the process?
You mean Obama?
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:39:13pm |
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aurelius Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:39:45pm |
Important post. We all should be aware of Beck asking a question like "are we in those times"?
Crazy. Insane.
Q.E.D.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:39:46pm |
re: #454 Spare O'Lake
Without the blockade of Gaza and controlled border crossings between Gaza/the West Bank and Israel there would soon be no State of Israel. When Code Pink and CAIR demonstrate with a flag showing the Pali flag over the entire State of Israel, what does that tell you?
Do you realize that you are in a state of denial?
Start writing.
Hasn't Samantha Powers advocated for military (US or UN?) intervention?
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:39:48pm |
re: #455 windsagio
Heh, are you actually saying hte only thing saving Israel from destruction is the Gaza blockade?
Wowzers!
You really are a simpleton.
Fuck off.
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:39:52pm |
re: #454 Spare O'Lake
Without the blockade of Gaza and controlled border crossings between Gaza/the West Bank and Israel there would soon be no State of Israel. When Code Pink and CAIR demonstrate with a flag showing the Pali flag over the entire State of Israel, what does that tell you?
Do you realize that you are in a state of denial?
Start writing.
When anybody in power start caring what Code Pink and CAIR do let me know.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:40:13pm |
OT: Charles if you see this, would it be possible to change the 'pages' button so you can right-click it to open a new window or tab (or perhaps make a new window/tab the default?)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:40:20pm |
re: #449 HoosierHoops
When you are done could you please clone Megan Fox and send her my way?
/
Well, OK, I already have three.
Do you want one with short hair or long hair?
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:40:37pm |
re: #454 Spare O'Lake
Without the blockade of Gaza and controlled border crossings between Gaza/the West Bank and Israel there would soon be no State of Israel. When Code Pink and CAIR demonstrate with a flag showing the Pali flag over the entire State of Israel, what does that tell you?
Do you realize that you are in a state of denial?
Start writing.
Jeremiah Wright?
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:41:04pm |
re: #454 Spare O'Lake
Without the blockade of Gaza and controlled border crossings between Gaza/the West Bank and Israel there would soon be no State of Israel. When Code Pink and CAIR demonstrate with a flag showing the Pali flag over the entire State of Israel, what does that tell you?
Do you realize that you are in a state of denial?
Start writing.
There are plenty of Americans who are neither stupid nor anti-semetic who don't agree with the Israeli government on this, and other issues. The U.S. has it's share of frighteningly dumb people. So does Israel.
It's not a state of denial to simultaneously disavow Code Pink and CAIR while disagreeing with Israel's actions. It's a state of disagreement.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:41:05pm |
re: #452 albusteve
by 1969 the Viet Cong were exterminate and the NVA was beaten down to the point they could not even field one combat division...what the hell are you talking about?...the war or the political aftermath of out intervention?...what you are implying is factually wrong
The army did not understand the need to control the media. The greatest enemy we faced post-Tet was the Enemy With Cameras (I credit the phrase to Ralph Peters).
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:41:09pm |
re: #465 MandyManners
"Jeremiah Writing!"
/stupid meaningless pun I know, but I coudln't hold it in.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:41:44pm |
It is fascinating to watch the state of the art underwater robots work away on the riser and BOP. They are using two circular saws, the massive CRAW crimper/cutter, and of course the diamond wire saw which will make the final cut.
I wish I believed theContainment Cap could work and will do something other than massively increase the size volume of the spill.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:42:06pm |
re: #463 windsagio
OT: Charles if you see this, would it be possible to change the 'pages' button so you can right-click it to open a new window or tab (or perhaps make a new window/tab the default?)
I use the link in the pink notice at the top of the center column to do that, although it's not going to be there forever, and then we'll have to put your request in again....
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:42:07pm |
re: #468 windsagio
"Jeremiah Writing!"
/stupid meaningless pun I know, but I coudln't hold it in.
/Stupid meaningless downding, but I couldn't hold it in...
Just kidding..updinging it...
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:42:09pm |
re: #454 Spare O'Lake
Without the blockade of Gaza and controlled border crossings between Gaza/the West Bank and Israel there would soon be no State of Israel. When Code Pink and CAIR demonstrate with a flag showing the Pali flag over the entire State of Israel, what does that tell you?
Do you realize that you are in a state of denial?
Start writing.
Those guys holding that poster look like Rabbis to me. I honestly don't think they're calling for the destruction of their homeland...rather, I suspect they're calling for an end of the occupation.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:42:38pm |
re: #469 Bagua
Btw, thanks for throwing these posts in Bagua, theyr'e always interesting and a good (if depressing) break ;)
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:42:40pm |
re: #464 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, OK, I already have three.
Do you want one with short hair or long hair?
You know what Ludwig? Send her Bald..I'll buy her different wigs.
*wink*
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:42:48pm |
re: #449 HoosierHoops
When you are done could you please clone Megan Fox and send her my way?
/
I'll take a Salma Hayek while you're at it.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:43:18pm |
re: #460 MandyManners
Hasn't Samantha Powers advocated for military (US or UN?) intervention?
And if she has, so what. She's not part of the Obama administration. She helped with his campaign, but he clearly has a different understanding of Foreign affairs than he did then.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:43:23pm |
re: #473 windsagio
Btw, thanks for throwing these posts in Bagua, theyr'e always interesting and a good (if depressing) break ;)
Thanks
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:43:35pm |
re: #469 Bagua
It is fascinating to watch the state of the art underwater robots work away on the riser and BOP. They are using two circular saws, the massive CRAW crimper/cutter, and of course the diamond wire saw which will make the final cut.
I wish I believed theContainment Cap could work and will do something other than massively increase the size volume of the spill.
Is it true that everything being tried, including this, was tried on Ixtoc in the 70's and failed? So we're probably going to be doing this until Aug when the relief wells are finished?
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:43:51pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:43:53pm |
re: #467 Dark_Falcon
The army did not understand the need to control the media. The greatest enemy we faced post-Tet was the Enemy With Cameras (I credit the phrase to Ralph Peters).
correct, and Uncle Walter blew his mind over Tet
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:44:08pm |
re: #455 windsagio
Heh, are you actually saying hte only thing saving Israel from destruction is the Gaza blockade?
Wowzers!
No he is not. This is a very high stakes chess game. If this allows unfettered access to Gaza from eh sea, there will be a flood or arms and armaments from nations like Iran and the Arab states to Israel. They already have a terrible threat from the Hezzies in the North. If the blockade fails, Israel will have total coverage of her soil by terrorist missile fire.
Getting that taken out will cost vastly more lives both Israeli and Arab than preventing it in the first place.
People really need to get that the bad guys are playing for keeps, they are not interested in peace if they think they can simply wipe Israel out, they are not going to be negotiated with. The only reason this continues is the endless meddling of other powers that keeps the hopes of the Jihadists alive.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:44:21pm |
re: #479 recusancy
That is what I've heard, yes!
Real question is: "Does BP know it, and is this just damage control for their corporate finances?"
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:44:23pm |
re: #472 darthstar
Those guys holding that poster look like Rabbis to me. I honestly don't think they're calling for the destruction of their homeland...rather, I suspect they're calling for an end of the occupation.
Those freaks are a small fringe cult that is universally despised.
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TampaKnight Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:44:24pm |
Trivia for the day: what crazy right wing theocrat politican had to say this yesterday?
"And that Word is, we have to give voice to what that means in terms of public policy that would be in keeping with the values of the Word. The Word. Isn’t it a beautiful word when you think of it? It just covers everything. The Word."
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:44:47pm |
re: #474 HoosierHoops
You know what Ludwig? Send her Bald..I'll buy her different wigs.
*wink*
Regular wigs or merkins?
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:44:52pm |
I'd say the most anti-Semitic person currently in US Government is Ron Paul.
Which party is he from, again?
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wrenchwench Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:44:59pm |
re: #472 darthstar
Those guys holding that poster look like Rabbis to me. I honestly don't think they're calling for the destruction of their homeland...rather, I suspect they're calling for an end of the occupation.
They are from Neturei Karta. Look 'em up.
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:45:04pm |
re: #485 TampaKnight
Trivia for the day: what crazy right wing theocrat politican had to say this yesterday?
"And that Word is, we have to give voice to what that means in terms of public policy that would be in keeping with the values of the Word. The Word. Isn’t it a beautiful word when you think of it? It just covers everything. The Word."
Saint Nancy of the Pelosi
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:45:07pm |
re: #472 darthstar
Those guys holding that poster look like Rabbis to me. I honestly don't think they're calling for the destruction of their homeland...rather, I suspect they're calling for an end of the occupation.
They're holding a sign with Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank covered by the Palestinian flag. That is calling for Israel's destruction in my eyes.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:45:27pm |
re: #479 recusancy
Is it true that everything being tried, including this, was tried on Ixtoc in the 70's and failed? So we're probably going to be doing this until Aug when the relief wells are finished?
In 1979, it was called a "Sombrero"...this time, it's called a "Top Hat"...fortunately, Bush isn't president, so we're not calling it a '10 gallon hat'...and no, it probably won't work, but I do hope it does.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:45:34pm |
re: #482 LudwigVanQuixote
Well lets keep the endless meddling out then.
//can we make it retroactive to about 100 BC?
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TampaKnight Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:46:25pm |
re: #489 HoosierHoops
Saint Nancy of the Pelosi
I logged on here expecting to hear about this, yet I found nothing. Seriously, does this only get mentioned when it comes from someone associated with the right wing?
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:46:33pm |
"Rev. Ted Haggard To Make 'Big Announcement' Tomorrow"
Oh I can't
frickin'
wait.
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:46:42pm |
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:47:00pm |
re: #493 TampaKnight
You'll hear about it two or three threads ago.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:47:10pm |
re: #481 albusteve
correct, and Uncle Walter blew his mind over Tet
No, he didn't. But he decided we couldn't win and established a media narrative to that effect. The government then failed to tear Cronkite down, which they should have done.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:47:20pm |
re: #494 JasonA
"Rev. Ted Haggard To Make 'Big Announcement' Tomorrow"
Oh I can't
frickin'
wait.
He wants a rent boy too?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:47:45pm |
re: #472 darthstar
Those guys holding that poster look like Rabbis to me. I honestly don't think they're calling for the destruction of their homeland...rather, I suspect they're calling for an end of the occupation.
The guys holding the poster that look like Rabbis are from a small splinter sect of what you would call ultra-orthodox, who believe that the Jews can not return to the homeland until the messiah comes and that any attempt to reclaim it, is blasphemy.
To them, the whole state is an affront to their misguided understanding of scripture and they want the whole thing gone.
They are utter kooks on the scale of Alex Jones. IF you knew anything about them, you would mock them.
As to the word occupation, I want to point out something really important. It is not possible to occupy your own homeland.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:47:46pm |
re: #438 Slap
Can Patrick J Buchanan be anything BUT behind?
Patrick J. Buchanan, but behind
Triple redundancy
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:47:49pm |
re: #497 Dark_Falcon
No, he didn't. But he decided we couldn't win and established a media narrative to that effect. The government then failed to tear Cronkite down, which they should have done.
that's my point
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:48:02pm |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:48:17pm |
re: #466 Fozzie Bear
There are plenty of Americans who are neither stupid nor anti-semetic who don't agree with the Israeli government on this, and other issues. The U.S. has it's share of frighteningly dumb people. So does Israel.
It's not a state of denial to simultaneously disavow Code Pink and CAIR while disagreeing with Israel's actions. It's a state of disagreement.
I said there is bi-partisan anti-Semitism in America. That's what I said and it's true. Some here are in denial, and so they try to twist in the wind and dissemble my simple statement of fact. I never said that all Americans are anti-Semites, nor did I say that all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism - but again, the deniers here imply that I did.
This is denial and you own it.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:48:31pm |
re: #472 darthstar
Those guys holding that poster look like Rabbis to me. I honestly don't think they're calling for the destruction of their homeland...rather, I suspect they're calling for an end of the occupation.
They are Neturei Karta assholes, the Phelps cult of Judaism.
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PAUL_MACDONALD Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:48:43pm |
re: #307 Irenicum
The fact that the Reagan's were quite superstitious is common knowledge. And as to it being contradictory to end time Christian beliefs, well they are in an intellectual sense, but it makes perfect sense psychologically. I've know too many people to count who regularly hold to mutually exclusive beliefs and don't have a problem with it. It's very common.
Yeah, but your source for Hal Lindsay meeting with Reagan and helping plan international affairs is noted insane person, Hal Lindsay. I would expect that he would have sign in. I am unaware of anything that backs his claim.
You would think that Ronnie actively stopping the Second Coming would be considered a BAD thing by the End Timers of the day, including Ronaldus Maximus, if he was an End Timer. I get that everyone wants to ride Ronnie's coattails, but that's a bit much.
The superstitious nonsense aside, as he wasn't the first and certainly wasn't the last superstitious President. The End Times stuff does not, as far as I can recall, turn up in any of his myriad of personal writings. There's no "Phew, that was a close one! I stared into the eyes of Satan's vessel on earth and he blinked. Take that, Gorby! Hope God isn't mad I screwed up Revelation."
So, you'll have to do better than Hal Lindsay, who made assloads of money on naive morons by changing his book after every failed prediction.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:49:00pm |
re: #474 HoosierHoops
You know what Ludwig? Send her Bald..I'll buy her different wigs.
*wink*
When I said the tribe ought to adopt you, I didn't realize you were going to be ultra-orthodox....
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:49:31pm |
re: #493 TampaKnight
I logged on here expecting to hear about this, yet I found nothing. Seriously, does this only get mentioned when it comes from someone associated with the right wing?
She is a devout Catholic...I have no issues with her invoking her Faith in an interview with a Christian news service...
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:49:34pm |
re: #485 TampaKnight
Trivia for the day: what crazy right wing theocrat politican had to say this yesterday?
"And that Word is, we have to give voice to what that means in terms of public policy that would be in keeping with the values of the Word. The Word. Isn’t it a beautiful word when you think of it? It just covers everything. The Word."
The Trashmen? I didn't know they were still around, let alone that they had gone political:
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:50:00pm |
re: #492 windsagio
Well lets keep the endless meddling out then.
//can we make it retroactive to about 100 BC?
Amen. But alas no.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:50:14pm |
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:51:27pm |
re: #488 wrenchwench
They are from Neturei Karta. Look 'em up.
from wiki:
Neturei Karta opposes Zionism and calls for a peaceful dismantling of the State of Israel, in the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Messiah.
Well, that's scheduled for May of 2011, so really it's just a slight delay. /
(In other words, I stand corrected, though I don't think those rabbis are anti-semites...sorry Sparrow.)
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:52:16pm |
re: #479 recusancy
Is it true that everything being tried, including this, was tried on Ixtoc in the 70's and failed? So we're probably going to be doing this until Aug when the relief wells are finished?
It is true, and while one can point out that the decades of advancements mean we are doing it differently now, that is now really true. The basic physics remain the same. The main difference is that this time it is a mile under water.
There are some other direct parallels between Ixtoc and MC252. In both cases, the BOP rams failed, and both wells featured loss circulation. Note that this meant it took 9 months to make the relief wells work, and this at a depth of 11,800 ft, in 160ft of sea water. MC252 is in 5,000 ft of seawater and 18,000 feet deep.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:52:18pm |
re: #494 JasonA
"Rev. Ted Haggard To Make 'Big Announcement' Tomorrow"
Oh I can't
frickin'
wait.
"I like dick."
-Ted Haggard.
Big surprise.
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:53:05pm |
Alright, well, gotta put together an ad or 2.
later all.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:53:48pm |
re: #510 LudwigVanQuixote
Lemme ask, Ludwig. How do you find the 'meddling' argument different from the old right-wing argument re:Vietnam I mentioned above? (this is presuming you think the Vietnam one is invalid :p)
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jc717 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:53:51pm |
re: #442 JasonA
Way ahead of you... Check out my new spiffy Avatar.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:54:33pm |
re: #517 jc717
Oh you are totally showing those bastards whose boss!
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:55:08pm |
re: #518 windsagio
Oh you are totally showing those bastards who's boss!
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:55:30pm |
re: #479 recusancy
Is it true that everything being tried, including this, was tried on Ixtoc in the 70's and failed? So we're probably going to be doing this until Aug when the relief wells are finished?
Note also that the relief wells are not a sure fix. In this case, they will likely need both wells to hit perfectly. And even then it will take luck and skill to bullhead this well. The problem being the lost circulation. The relief wells may not be able to overcome.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:56:05pm |
re: #503 Spare O'Lake
I said there is bi-partisan anti-Semitism in America. That's what I said and it's true. Some here are in denial, and so they try to twist in the wind and dissemble my simple statement of fact. I never said that all Americans are anti-Semites, nor did I say that all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism - but again, the deniers here imply that I did.
This is denial and you own it.
No. I made my position clear. I'm not denying anything. Of course there is anti semitism in the U.S., and of course it doesn't break down on party lines.
It is also manifestly true that one can make a criticism of the policies and actions of the Israeli government without being an anti-semite. To imply that criticism of Israel is tantamount to anti-semitism is absurd, and asinine.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:56:12pm |
re: #521 Bagua
Note also that the relief wells are not a sure fix. In this case, they will likely need both wells to hit perfectly. And even then it will take luck and skill to bullhead this well. The problem being the lost circulation. The relief wells may not be able to overcome.
Please don't dash the only real hope we have.
kthxbai!/
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:56:12pm |
re: #477 Dark_Falcon
And if she has, so what. She's not part of the Obama administration. She helped with his campaign, but he clearly has a different understanding of Foreign affairs than he did then.
According to her Wiki, She is currently a special adviser to President Barack Obama and Director of Multilateral Affairs for the National Security Council.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:56:16pm |
re: #466 Fozzie Bear
There are plenty of Americans who are neither stupid nor anti-semetic who don't agree with the Israeli government on this, and other issues. The U.S. has it's share of frighteningly dumb people. So does Israel.
It's not a state of denial to simultaneously disavow Code Pink and CAIR while disagreeing with Israel's actions. It's a state of disagreement.
Yes, but your disagreement is unreasonable.
1. Lifting the blockade means unlimited coverage of Israel to terrorist missile strikes and massive Israeli casualties and destruction of property. Hamas will of course fire those missiles once they get them. They have vowed to do so, and they have shot everything they could in the past - and they are still today rocketing Sderot.
2. What Israel did cost the lives of 9 people who were trying to kill people looking for weapons. Most militaries would not risk their people in this manner. They simply would have started with a shot across the bough. What Israel did was to save lives - even those who were trying to kill them. Do you really for a moment think that the US or the Russian Navy would just let people sail past a blockade? Do you really think either of them would have hesitated to sink a ship that was on a mission to endanger the lives of Americans or Russians on their own home soil?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:56:54pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:57:32pm |
re: #472 darthstar
Those guys holding that poster look like Rabbis to me. I honestly don't think they're calling for the destruction of their homeland...rather, I suspect they're calling for an end of the occupation.
What "occupation"?
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:57:48pm |
re: #525 LudwigVanQuixote
Ludwig, I think he's reacting to the hyperbolic demonization of anyone who criticizes any Israeli policy, not objecting to the blockade.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:58:25pm |
re: #527 MandyManners
What "occupation"?
The occupation they think is going on. No need to be difficult, Mandy.
| 530 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:58:46pm |
re: #522 Fozzie Bear
Do you object to the blockade of Gaza by Israel?
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:58:55pm |
re: #521 Bagua
Note also that the relief wells are not a sure fix. In this case, they will likely need both wells to hit perfectly. And even then it will take luck and skill to bullhead this well. The problem being the lost circulation. The relief wells may not be able to overcome.
Hypothetically, if nothing works what's the total estimated volume of this oil deposit that would be pressurized enough to make it to the sea floor and into the sea? And how long could this possibly keep spewing? A year? Multiple years?
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:58:56pm |
re: #523 JasonA
Please don't dash the only real hope we have.
kthxbai!/
Hope is ok, as is faith. But this is engineering and science and we need to look at it realistically without emotional distortions. BP is running a massively deceptive PR game and I'm not amused by that.
BTW, that is the Choke and Kill lines they are cutting off the Riser now.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:59:29pm |
re: #526 WindUpBird
Careful man, tough room till this Flotilla rage boils off some.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:59:39pm |
re: #529 JasonA
The occupation they think is going on. No need to be difficult, Mandy.
Darth is the one who called it "occupation".
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 1:59:46pm |
Code Pink, always coming up. Always the boogeywoman.
People are really scared of ladies in silly costumes!
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brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:00:02pm |
re: #530 Walter L. Newton
Do you object to the blockade of Gaza by Israel?
and Egypt, don't forget Egypt...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:00:22pm |
re: #533 windsagio
Careful man, tough room till this Flotilla rage boils off some.
Oh, I'm not even weighing in on it.
But mohammed bomb avatar dipshit is a dipshit
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:00:24pm |
re: #525 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes, but your disagreement is unreasonable.
1. Lifting the blockade means unlimited coverage of Israel to terrorist missile strikes and massive Israeli casualties and destruction of property. Hamas will of course fire those missiles once they get them. They have vowed to do so, and they have shot everything they could in the past - and they are still today rocketing Sderot.
2. What Israel did cost the lives of 9 people who were trying to kill people looking for weapons. Most militaries would not risk their people in this manner. They simply would have started with a shot across the bough. What Israel did was to save lives - even those who were trying to kill them. Do you really for a moment think that the US or the Russian Navy would just let people sail past a blockade? Do you really think either of them would have hesitated to sink a ship that was on a mission to endanger the lives of Americans or Russians on their own home soil?
re: #528 windsagio
Ludwig, I think he's reacting to the hyperbolic demonization of anyone who criticizes any Israeli policy, not objecting to the blockade.
This.
But hey, feel free to quote me where I said the blockade was a bad idea. My objection is to the stifling of debate by screaming "anti-semite" whenever the actions of the government of Israel is criticized. The government of Israel != the Jewish people.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:00:50pm |
re: #472 darthstar
Those guys holding that poster look like Rabbis to me. I honestly don't think they're calling for the destruction of their homeland...rather, I suspect they're calling for an end of the occupation.
1. They are Americans - just as American as you - calling for the destruction of the State of Israel.
2. If they are Jews, which we do not know, then they are crazy American Jews who, for religious reasons, deny the legitimacy of the State of Israel.
Do you really dispute that there is currently a wave of anti-Semitism in America rearing its ugly head from the extreme left and the extreme right?
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:00:54pm |
re: #530 Walter L. Newton
YOu didn't ask me, but let me just say.
I understand the blockade, but some of their arguments (EG concrete) are damn silly, especially since Gaza has this tendency to get bombed to hell occasionally.
To much symbolism, once again.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:01:02pm |
re: #512 darthstar
Well, that's scheduled for May of 2011, so really it's just a slight delay. /
(In other words, I stand corrected, though I don't think those rabbis are anti-semites...sorry Sparrow.)
They periodically appear at Holocaust denier events, famously one of them kissed the Dinner Jacket, and they receive almost all of their funding from Islamic sources. They exist to fool people like you into thinking that even the Jews think Zionism is evil. They are apostates who have been excommunicated in most areas and they are the tools of Islamic propagandists and you are falling for it.
They are absolutely working with and for those who would kill their fellow Jews. In their twisted little minds of course, they are the only "real Jews" so liking the rest of us who have not seen the light is somehow justified.
Judging Jewish ideas or thoughts or perceptions based ont eh actions of those religious fanatic traitors is roughly as fair as judging all Christians by those folks who dance with snakes and drink poison.
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Slap Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:01:49pm |
re: #493 TampaKnight
Actually, it was a couple of threads back this morning:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Somewhere around Walter's 281 is where it came up (may have been sooner....), and there was a bit of discussion....
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:02:00pm |
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:02:02pm |
re: #537 WindUpBird
It really is!
Actually the whole 'drawing Mohammed' thing is a lame joke anwyays. Its all faux-macho cereal-pissing.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:02:05pm |
re: #540 windsagio
Oh, I got our tall mathematician friend into dwarf Fortress! :D
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:02:17pm |
re: #537 WindUpBird
Oh, I'm not even weighing in on it.
But mohammed bomb avatar dipshit is a dipshit
it's art...chill out
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:02:21pm |
re: #415 Spare O'Lake
re: #398 windsagio
A person who wishes for the destruction of the State of Israel or who denies its right to exist is an anti-Semite.
At the risk of being pedantic, that is a rather limited definition and one that ignores the worst of history before the modern state of Israel.
Is an anti Catholic Protestant simply one that wishes for the destruction of the Vatican?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:02:28pm |
re: #528 windsagio
Ludwig, I think he's reacting to the hyperbolic demonization of anyone who criticizes any Israeli policy, not objecting to the blockade.
There is no hyperbolic demonization going on. The blockade is essential to protect lives - even Arab lives.
Being against it, is either ignorance of the realities or hatred.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:02:30pm |
re: #540 windsagio
YOu didn't ask me, but let me just say.
I understand the blockade, but some of their arguments (EG concrete) are damn silly, especially since Gaza has this tendency to get bombed to hell occasionally.
To much symbolism, once again.
Hamas has this tendency to grab all the concrete and build comfortable bunkers for themselves and their rocket launch pads, instead of allowing the common folk to rebuild their huts.
| 552 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:02:48pm |
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:02:55pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:03:22pm |
re: #540 windsagio
YOu didn't ask me, but let me just say.
I understand the blockade, but some of their arguments (EG concrete) are damn silly, especially since Gaza has this tendency to get bombed to hell occasionally.
To much symbolism, once again.
if you butt in, at least answer Walter's question
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:03:33pm |
re: #546 WindUpBird
Awesome! He's the kinda guy that should EAT THAT UP, too!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:03:35pm |
re: #541 LudwigVanQuixote
PIMF
They periodically appear at Holocaust denier events, famously one of them kissed the Dinner Jacket, and they receive almost all of their funding from Islamic sources. They exist to fool people like you into thinking that even the Jews think Zionism is evil. They are apostates who have been excommunicated in most areas and they are the tools of Islamic propagandists and you are falling for it.
They are absolutely working with and for those who would kill their fellow Jews. In their twisted little minds of course, they are the only "real Jews" so NOT liking the rest of us who have not seen the light is somehow justified.
Judging Jewish ideas or thoughts or perceptions based ont eh actions of those religious fanatic traitors is roughly as fair as judging all Christians by those folks who dance with snakes and drink poison.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:03:52pm |
re: #547 albusteve
it's art...chill out
The cartoons were art, but they were also incitement. And using them as an avatar is shitty, I think I can make that appraisal ;-)
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:04:01pm |
re: #551 Alouette
Hamas has this tendency to grab all the concrete and build comfortable bunkers for themselves and their rocket launch pads, instead of allowing the common folk to rebuild their huts.
And take everything imaginable to build rockets. Remember those sewage pipes?
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:04:19pm |
re: #550 LudwigVanQuixote
There is no hyperbolic demonization going on. The blockade is essential to protect lives - even Arab lives.
Being against it, is either ignorance of the realities or hatred.
... or disagreement about the best way to proceed.
Just because you see this as a total black and white issue doesn't make it so.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:04:54pm |
re: #557 WindUpBird
The cartoons were art, but they were also incitement. And using them as an avatar is shitty, I think I can make that appraisal ;-)
you can
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:05:07pm |
re: #538 Fozzie Bear
The blockade is necessary to prevent importation of weaponry from Iran and Syria. Get it?
| 563 |
Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:05:28pm |
re: #442 JasonA
We need to get this heat off of Israel.
Quick! Someone draw Mohammed!
Thanks for the inspiration...
| 564 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:05:43pm |
re: #540 windsagio
YOu didn't ask me, but let me just say.
I understand the blockade, but some of their arguments (EG concrete) are damn silly, especially since Gaza has this tendency to get bombed to hell occasionally.
To much symbolism, once again.
But Wind..They can take as much concrete through approved checkpoints as they want can't they?
The problem with flotillas is you can't do what every Government demands..
Trust but verify
| 565 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:06:05pm |
Ohh and one other note. The front of a ship is the bow. I know this. I just mistyped while thinking fast.
| 566 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:06:06pm |
re: #557 WindUpBird
The cartoons were art, but they were also incitement. And using them as an avatar is shitty, I think I can make that appraisal ;-)
Huh. Well you never told me that.
| 567 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:06:20pm |
| 569 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:06:56pm |
re: #549 Naso Tang
At the risk of being pedantic, that is a rather limited definition and one that ignores the worst of history before the modern state of Israel.
Is an anti Catholic Protestant simply one that wishes for the destruction of the Vatican?
Surely you know the difference between an inclusive definition and an exhaustive one. Pedantic indeed.
| 570 |
Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:07:07pm |
| 571 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:07:54pm |
re: #565 LudwigVanQuixote
Ohh and one other note. The front of a ship is the bow. I know this. I just mistyped while thinking fast.
I think the Kon-Tiki had a bough
| 572 |
tradewind Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:07:55pm |
The very definition of insanity.... repeating the same act over and over and expecting a different result...
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
Flauxtilla spokesperson Greta Berlin
is sure this time it'll work./
| 573 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:07:55pm |
re: #560 Fozzie Bear
... or disagreement about the best way to proceed.
Just because you see this as a total black and white issue doesn't make it so.
It is not a total black and white issue. You are refusing to acknowledge the military realities of the situation. What would you have had Israel do differently.
They can not lift the blockade because of the arms threat.
These people were clearly going to run the blockade.
What would you have had them do differently?
| 574 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:08:03pm |
re: #566 JasonA
Huh. Well you never told me that.
Never noticed! And I think it's shitty when South Park does it too.
| 575 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:08:04pm |
re: #567 windsagio
That is just not true Ludwig. People that criticize Israeli policy get outright called (or hinted to be) antisemitic all the time.
Most are antisemites.
| 576 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:08:04pm |
re: #570 Gus 802
And it's retro black and white. ;)
I especially like how the pork adds another, more subtle message to the piece.
| 577 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:08:08pm |
re: #564 HoosierHoops
Oh I know. I understand them wanting to check out the ships, altho' the more I think about it, the more I think they flubbed that part.
I also think some of the things they're blockading are more about the concept than about the reality, and that that kind of thinking is backwards at best.
| 578 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:08:16pm |
re: #557 WindUpBird
The cartoons were art, but they were also incitement. And using them as an avatar is shitty, I think I can make that appraisal ;-)
So, am I to understand that you now support bending over all the way for anything that anyone else calls incitement, even when they are perfectly free to not look at it?
| 579 |
Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:08:39pm |
re: #576 JasonA
I especially like how the pork adds another, more subtle message to the piece.
Right. It serves an accidental purpose. /
| 580 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:08:54pm |
re: #574 WindUpBird
Never noticed! And I think it's shitty when South Park does it too.
I somehow expected different from an artist.
| 581 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:09:02pm |
re: #574 WindUpBird
Hey now they got exactly what they wanted. (SP that is).
I just don't spare them any outrage for succeeding :p
| 582 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:09:55pm |
re: #580 JasonA
The purpose is to offend. That's kinda messed up.
Its not really a statement of freedom, its an attempt to piss another group off.
| 583 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:10:29pm |
re: #564 HoosierHoops
But Wind..They can take as much concrete through approved checkpoints as they want can't they?
The problem with flotillas is you can't do what every Government demands..
Trust but verify
As I understand it, they don't get concrete and rebar because it can be used to build reinforced bunkers, and would be so used.
| 584 |
sagehen Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:10:29pm |
re: #363 JasonA
Gulf Oil Spill: James Cameron Tapped By Feds For Cleanup Advice
In other news, Michael Bay has been asked for his input on how to drill the relief well faster.
actually not that silly.
"The Canadian-born Cameron is considered an expert on underwater filming and remote vehicle technologies. "Avatar" and "Titanic" are the two highest-grossing films of all time."
| 585 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:10:42pm |
re: #472 darthstar
Those guys holding that poster look like Rabbis to me. I honestly don't think they're calling for the destruction of their homeland...rather, I suspect they're calling for an end of the occupation.
Wow. OK, you apparently don't know who the Neturei Karta are, or you wouldn't be fooled by their Hasidic garb.
This is one of the most extreme sects in Judaism, so extreme that calling them the equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church is not far off. They're not "rabbis" -- they're insane people. They have attended and supported Holocaust denial events in Iran, and they openly support terrorist groups such as Hamas.
They show up all the time at events like this specifically to FOOL people like you who don't know what they're really all about.
| 586 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:10:52pm |
re: #582 windsagio
The purpose is to offend. That's kinda messed up.
Its not really a statement of freedom, its an attempt to piss another group off.
You just described half of all comedy, I think.
| 587 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:11:03pm |
re: #582 windsagio
The purpose is to offend. That's kinda messed up.
Its not really a statement of freedom, its an attempt to piss another group off.
Come on buddy, a good percentage of your comments have the same intent. >>
| 588 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:11:13pm |
re: #575 Bagua
Most are antisemites.
Most anti-semites criticize Israeli policy. Most people who criticize Israeli policy are NOT anti-semites. The same way that most racists are Republicans but most Republicans are NOT racist.
| 589 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:11:15pm |
The saw blade has made it into one of the pipes...little dribbles of black seeping out.
| 590 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:11:35pm |
re: #584 sagehen
actually not that silly.
"The Canadian-born Cameron is considered an expert on underwater filming and remote vehicle technologies. "Avatar" and "Titanic" are the two highest-grossing films of all time."
I know, I know. When I see a headline that should be snark but isn't I just have to make a joke out of it.
| 591 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:11:52pm |
re: #587 Bagua
Come on buddy, a good percentage of your comments have the same intent. >>
Well played.
| 592 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:11:55pm |
| 593 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:12:16pm |
re: #587 Bagua
haha, not really. If I was trying to offend, well it would be ugly. I just filter substantially less than some people >>
| 594 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:12:36pm |
re: #577 windsagio
Oh I know. I understand them wanting to check out the ships, altho' the more I think about it, the more I think they flubbed that part.
I also think some of the things they're blockading are more about the concept than about the reality, and that that kind of thinking is backwards at best.
you have it exactly backwards....the reality is Israel must check these vessels for contraband, hence all ships and their contents are blockaded....the illusion is that people like you think it's some sort of undefined concept you cannot even articulate, even tho you disagree with the blockade....you talk in silly circles
| 595 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:12:37pm |
re: #588 recusancy
Most anti-semites criticize Israeli policy. Most people who criticize Israeli policy are NOT anti-semites. The same way that most racists are Republicans but most Republicans are NOT racist.
I agree -- criticizing Israeli policy is not necessarily antisemitic. But Edward Peck is a renowned antisemite.
| 596 |
tradewind Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:12:42pm |
re: #577 windsagio
It's true that the concept of smuggled pipe bombs and explosives used for terrorist attacks is not quite as horrific as the reality. Israel must deal with both on a daily basis.
| 597 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:12:47pm |
re: #588 recusancy
Most anti-semites criticize Israeli policy. Most people who criticize Israeli policy are NOT anti-semites. The same way that most racists are Republicans but most Republicans are NOT racist.
That's your opinion. I've spent decades reading the writings of thousands of those "just criticising Israeli policy" and I'm convinced the vast majority are antisemites.
| 598 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:13:21pm |
re: #578 Naso Tang
So, am I to understand that you now support bending over all the way for anything that anyone else calls incitement, even when they are perfectly free to not look at it?
Listen up.
I wouldn't use fucking Piss Christ as my avatar, or the Jesus is a C*** Cradle of Filth t-shirt as my avatar. And anyone who did would be shitty for doing so. Because it's fucked up, and nasty, and crass, and disrespectful, and childish. This HUR HURR MOHAMMED BOMB IMMA CLEVER shit, it's what snot-nosed internet teenagers do. In between smuggling wine coolers down to their basement bedroom.
Whee, let's just add to the hate! Because THEY'S JUST MOOZLIMS KICK EM
| 599 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:13:46pm |
re: #589 darthstar
The saw blade has made it into one of the pipes...little dribbles of black seeping out.
And it's through!
| 600 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:13:53pm |
| 601 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:13:53pm |
re: #594 albusteve
I'm not saying they shoudln't be checked, darnit >>
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:14:29pm |
re: #600 WindUpBird
You also don't try to increase your business by feeding off of bigotry.
...
Well if you are, I don't freakin' wanna know!
| 604 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:14:41pm |
re: #583 Naso Tang
As I understand it, they don't get concrete and rebar because it can be used to build reinforced bunkers, and would be so used.
Then how do you build schools and Hospitals? How do you fix a road?
/I guess you have to want to build the Infrastructure first...Cause if they were a building kind of people I'd go there and sell em Concrete..And get rich on the UN's dime..
| 605 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:14:49pm |
re: #598 WindUpBird
Uhh... no. It really isn't that simple, birdie. It's about standing up for expression when people have lost their lives over it.
| 606 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:15:10pm |
re: #538 Fozzie Bear
This.
But hey, feel free to quote me where I said the blockade was a bad idea. My objection is to the stifling of debate by screaming "anti-semite" whenever the actions of the government of Israel is criticized. The government of Israel != the Jewish people.
So... the blockage is reasonable... yes, no?
| 607 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:15:15pm |
re: #592 Alouette
No, I think that most are misinformed tools.
That is possible also, but they choose to be misinformed about Jews and Israel. Just like people who are "against crime" but only pay attention to crime by black people.
| 608 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:15:31pm |
re: #582 windsagio
The purpose is to offend. That's kinda messed up.
Its not really a statement of freedom, its an attempt to piss another group off.
No, it is an expression of contempt for people who have no self control.
| 609 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:15:37pm |
re: #603 windsagio
You also don't try to increase your business by feeding off of bigotry.
DING DING DING
there you go!
| 610 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:15:54pm |
re: #605 JasonA
Do you have to stand up for something that's not really being challenged?
| 611 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:16:06pm |
re: #608 Naso Tang
No, it is an expression of contempt for people who have no self control.
it's hatred.
Sorry you don't get it. Sorry you're part of the hate. Hope you work on that.
| 612 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:16:46pm |
re: #610 windsagio
What the hell are you talking about? >>
| 613 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:16:52pm |
re: #597 Bagua
That's your opinion. I've spent decades reading the writings of thousands of those "just criticising Israeli policy" and I'm convinced the vast majority are antisemites.
It is true that anti-Semites will use the fig leaf of "criticizing Israeli policy" but it comes off very quickly when you ask them to state what policies the government of Israel should adopt that would satisfy them, that don't include the dismantling of the state of Israel.
Then you have the useless tools like J Street, Piss Now, New Israel Fund, Israel Policy Forum, who claim they are "pro Israel" but have a very bizarre way of expressing their "pro Israel" feelings. Actually they want to collect money by pretending to be "pro Israel" but they don't want to be embarrassed in front of their anti-Semite friends, and not get invited to all the cool parties.
| 614 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:17:09pm |
re: #567 windsagio
That is just not true Ludwig. People that criticize Israeli policy get outright called (or hinted to be) antisemitic all the time.
I have not called a single Lizard anti-semitic this whole thread. That said, there are some lizards who are repeating falsehoods that have been spread by anti-semites.
Since i am not getting answers, let me ask you and any other criticizer of Israel this directly.
Fact:
Lifting the blockade means unfettered arms flows to Hamas including missiles from Iran and other Arab States. This would and could only lead to many Israeli deaths and countless Arab deaths when Israel would be forced to invade in order to stop the missile fire.
Fact:
The people running the blockade ultimately want the blockade lifted. These are not peacenicks.
Fact:
The people running the blockade would not have stopped if the Israeli Navy had just asked them to.
Fact:
The military actions that Israel took were designed to minimize loss of life and they risked the lives of their own people to do so.
Fact:
The other standard military options for dealing with a blockade runner involve firing on the offending ship.
Given those facts, what would you have had Israel do differently?
| 615 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:17:24pm |
re: #573 LudwigVanQuixote
It is not a total black and white issue. You are refusing to acknowledge the military realities of the situation. What would you have had Israel do differently.
They can not lift the blockade because of the arms threat.
These people were clearly going to run the blockade.
What would you have had them do differently?
The blockade is a good idea. Assaulting a vessel containing civilians in international waters isn't. They should have at the very least waited until the vessel in question crossed into Israeli waters. They should have fouled the propulsion system, or otherwise disabled the vessel to buy time and to not reinforce a (incorrect) narrative of Israel-as-aggressor.
You are refusing to acknowledge the political realities of the situation. It is possible to /facepalm at the incredible ham-handedness with which this was handled, and level a criticism at the Israeli government for same without supporting terrorism or agreeing with nutjobs. I agree, the boat should have been stopped, but not in such a way as it was.
One can criticize the handling of the situation without sympathizing with terrorists. That the enemies of Israel are evil does not excuse any action whatsoever.
It's absurd that one has to so qualify a criticism of the actions of a government to avoid being tarred and feathered.
| 616 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:17:51pm |
Starting on a larger section of pipe now. Sorry, but this really is fascinating...how they can stabilize the ROV to reinsert the blade in the same spot after making a small cut from a mile above...
| 617 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:18:01pm |
re: #605 JasonA
Uhh... no. It really isn't that simple, birdie. It's about standing up for expression when people have lost their lives over it.
Uh no.
You're a South Park fan, and that's fine. SP is good with the edgy comedy. But it gets into playing off bigotry, and protraying the entire Muslim faith as extremists, and getting one over them, and dehumanizing them
Get that right. Dehumanizing them.
it's what people are doing right now. "These people have no self control." Etc etc.
As SFZ says: "their ox being gored is perilously close to my ox."
| 618 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:18:08pm |
re: #612 JasonA
Nobody is actually in any real danger for drawing pictures of Mohammed. No freedom of expressoin or anything else is actually threatened.
Nearly all the iterations of this have been crass attempts to garner praise or increase business. The others were essentially misguided jingoism.
| 619 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:18:29pm |
re: #589 darthstar
The saw blade has made it into one of the pipes...little dribbles of black seeping out.
Likely a kill or choke line that had mud in it, but not pressurised. The flow of oil and gas is coming up the riser, which is the larger pipe, and the drill pipe inside of it. The choke and kill lines are disconnected.
When they cut the riser, we will see an increase of the leak at minimum 15%, and perhaps many times more.
| 620 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:18:44pm |
re: #615 Fozzie Bear
The blockade is a good idea. Assaulting a vessel containing civilians in international waters isn't. They should have at the very least waited until the vessel in question crossed into Israeli waters. They should have fouled the propulsion system, or otherwise disabled the vessel to buy time and to not reinforce a (incorrect) narrative of Israel-as-aggressor.
You are refusing to acknowledge the political realities of the situation. It is possible to /facepalm at the incredible ham-handedness with which this was handled, and level a criticism at the Israeli government for same without supporting terrorism or agreeing with nutjobs. I agree, the boat should have been stopped, but not in such a way as it was.
One can criticize the handling of the situation without sympathizing with terrorists. That the enemies of Israel are evil does not excuse any action whatsoever.
It's absurd that one has to so qualify a criticism of the actions of a government to avoid being tarred and feathered.
the ship was not assaulted...find another word, one more honest
| 621 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:18:49pm |
re: #616 darthstar
Starting on a larger section of pipe now. Sorry, but this really is fascinating...how they can stabilize the ROV to reinsert the blade in the same spot after making a small cut from a mile above...
| 622 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:19:29pm |
I think this back and forth between Foxman and Beinart is good. FYI: It's pre Flotilla incident.
| 623 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:19:35pm |
re: #614 LudwigVanQuixote
I never said YOU were calling people anti-semitic Ludwig, but read the thread. There are people HERE NOW saying that most of the people who criticize Israeli policy are anti-semites.
As to the other thing, I'm not objecting to the damn blockade!
| 624 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:19:41pm |
re: #516 windsagio
Lemme ask, Ludwig. How do you find the 'meddling' argument different from the old right-wing argument re:Vietnam I mentioned above? (this is presuming you think the Vietnam one is invalid :p)
Apples and oranges. Vietnam is not Israel.
However, it is certainly true that things in Vietnam would have gone differently if not for the endless lines of support given the North by Russia and China.
| 625 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:20:02pm |
re: #606 Walter L. Newton
So... the blockage is reasonable... yes, no?
The concept I agree with, the implementation in this particular case, I don't.
| 626 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:20:07pm |
re: #598 WindUpBird
Listen up.
I wouldn't use fucking Piss Christ as my avatar, or the Jesus is a C*** Cradle of Filth t-shirt as my avatar. And anyone who did would be shitty for doing so. Because it's fucked up, and nasty, and crass, and disrespectful, and childish. This HUR HURR MOHAMMED BOMB IMMA CLEVER shit, it's what snot-nosed internet teenagers do. In between smuggling wine coolers down to their basement bedroom.
Whee, let's just add to the hate! Because THEY'S JUST MOOZLIMS KICK EM
Most Muslims, I am sure, don't give a rats ass about this crap and I think it is perfectly legitimate to give offense to those little minded ones who like to blow shit up.
The prohibition against images of the great one applies to Muslims, not infidels, and if they want to tell us to respect that prohibition on pain of bad stuff, the best form of response is to show contempt, not respect.
| 627 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:20:10pm |
re: #620 albusteve
the ship was not assaulted...find another word, one more honest
It was intercepted with poor strategy and execution.
| 628 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:20:24pm |
re: #623 windsagio
I never said YOU were calling people anti-semitic Ludwig, but read the thread. There are people HERE NOW saying that most of the people who criticize Israeli policy are anti-semites.
As to the other thing, I'm not objecting to the damn blockade!
link to the posts....it's quite acceptable
| 629 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:21:02pm |
re: #623 windsagio
I never said YOU were calling people anti-semitic Ludwig, but read the thread. There are people HERE NOW saying that most of the people who criticize Israeli policy are anti-semites.
As to the other thing, I'm not objecting to the damn blockade!
I glad the Obama administration is standing behind Israel at the UN.
| 630 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:21:06pm |
re: #616 darthstar
Starting on a larger section of pipe now. Sorry, but this really is fascinating...how they can stabilize the ROV to reinsert the blade in the same spot after making a small cut from a mile above...
The ROVs are at times clamping on for stability. They have cameras and sonar to guide them. Serious pieces of kit these. They also can navigate and hold positions.
| 631 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:21:11pm |
re: #628 albusteve
I hate to call someone out, but since you insist.
| 632 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:21:12pm |
re: #611 WindUpBird
it's hatred.
Sorry you don't get it. Sorry you're part of the hate. Hope you work on that.
If you believe in freedom of expression then you don't get to play nanny with it.
| 633 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:21:19pm |
re: #626 Naso Tang
Most Muslims, I am sure, don't give a rats ass about this crap and I think it is perfectly legitimate to give offense to those little minded ones who like to blow shit up.
The prohibition against images of the great one applies to Muslims, not infidels, and if they want to tell us to respect that prohibition on pain of bad stuff, the best form of response is to show contempt, not respect.
More hate, got it.
So glad you weren't my dad.
| 634 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:21:28pm |
re: #629 Walter L. Newton
I glad the Obama administration is standing behind Israel at the UN.
And he'll still be called an anti-semite who hates Israel.
| 635 |
Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:21:43pm |
re: #624 LudwigVanQuixote
Apples and oranges. Vietnam is not Israel.
However, it is certainly true that things in Vietnam would have gone differently if not for the endless lines of support given the North by Russia and China.
Too many ROEs.
| 636 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:22:19pm |
re: #617 WindUpBird
re: #618 windsagio
Wow. I have to take a break from you two. No one's in any danger from drawing Mohammed? Really?
On 15 September, it was reported that the group Islamic State of Iraq had placed a bounty of at least $100,000 on the head of Lars Vilks and 50,000 dollars on Ulf Johansson, editor-in-chief of Nerikes Allehanda. The statement was found in an audio file on an Islamist website and was read by a person who identified himself as Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, the purported head of the Islamic State of Iraq. "We announce a reward of $100,000 to anyone who kills this infidel criminal. This reward will be raised to $150,000 if he is slaughtered like a lamb," the statement said.
On 9 March 2010, seven people were arrested in the Republic of Ireland over an alleged plot to assassinate Vilks. The arrested were originally from Morroco and Yemen and had refugee status.[32][33][34] Of the seven, three men and two women were arrested in Waterford and Tramore and another man and woman at Ballincollig, near Cork.[33] Garda Síochána (the Irish police force), which conducted the arrests with support from the National Support Services and the Special Detective Unit, said the suspects range in age from mid 20's to late 40's.[35] They (Garda Síochána) also added that throughout the investigation they had been "working closely with law enforcement agencies in the United States and in a number of European countries".[35] Two police officers close to the investigation said those arrested were foreign-born Irish residents, mostly from Yemen and Morocco.[32]
The same day, Colleen R. LaRose from the Philadelphia, Pennsylvania suburbs, had her federal indictment unsealed charging her with trying to recruit Islamic terrorists to murder Vilks.[36]
| 637 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:22:28pm |
re: #619 Bagua
Screen grab I just took...missed the shot where you could see two ROVs cutting at the same time. I circled the little cut - white stuff oozing.
| 638 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:22:28pm |
re: #629 Walter L. Newton
There was no real question of whether he would tho', and 634 has it right. He'll still be accused of being 'weak on israel'.
| 639 |
mich-again Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:22:29pm |
Lets see. Beck has stated that Obama is the devil and that Armageddon is upon us. There are 2-1/12 more years left in Obama's term and Beck has already played every trump card in the deck. What can he possibly say to notch up the histrionics any further? I can't wait to hear.
| 640 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:22:50pm |
re: #631 windsagio
I hate to call someone out, but since you insist.
there is no reference to LGF in that post....you are mistaken
| 641 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:23:06pm |
re: #627 recusancy
It was intercepted with poor strategy and execution.
I think it was intercepted with wonderful constraint and consideration... hell, the soldiers had PAINT GUNS, in an attempt to quell any violence rather that just opening fire... considering the outcome, I would say the strategy was very clever.... of course, unless you have a problem with Israel protecting itself?
| 643 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:23:44pm |
By the way, the more information that comes out about the flotilla incident, the more it looks like the people behind this operation made some very bad decisions. If they knew in advance that the activists planned to resist, why the hell did they send soldiers in armed only with paintballs?
I do believe Israel has the legal right to maintain the blockade, but whoever planned this operation seriously fucked it up.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:24:11pm |
re: #620 albusteve
the ship was not assaulted...find another word, one more honest
How about the claims that the Israelis were "ambushed"? Kind of tough to do when you're on a boat and they're in a helicopter. My point being that the rhetoric is bound to get out of control based on how a person views the incident.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:24:30pm |
re: #613 Alouette
It is true that anti-Semites will use the fig leaf of "criticizing Israeli policy" but it comes off very quickly when you ask them to state what policies the government of Israel should adopt that would satisfy them, that don't include the dismantling of the state of Israel.
Then you have the useless tools like J Street, Piss Now, New Israel Fund, Israel Policy Forum, who claim they are "pro Israel" but have a very bizarre way of expressing their "pro Israel" feelings. Actually they want to collect money by pretending to be "pro Israel" but they don't want to be embarrassed in front of their anti-Semite friends, and not get invited to all the cool parties.
Right, self-hating Jew = antiSemite
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:24:35pm |
re: #643 Charles
By the way, the more information that comes out about the flotilla incident, the more it looks like the people behind this operation made some very bad decisions. If they knew in advance that the activists planned to resist, why the hell did they send soldiers in armed only with paintballs?
I do believe Israel has the legal right to maintain the blockade, but whoever planned this operation seriously fucked it up.
EXACTLY! Thank you.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:24:43pm |
re: #632 Spare O'Lake
If you believe in freedom of expression then you don't get to play nanny with it.
Who said I was playing nanny? I just said I DON'T LIKE IT AND I FIND IT HATEFUL. This is not a 300-level concept here!
To be crystal clear, for those of you who like inventing words I've never said:
Do I want South Park censored or taken off the air? No.
Do I want people banned from LGf for acting like children with their avatars? No.
But I find it silly, and I find it hateful. I'll point out that I find it hateful. And I'm not going to apologize for it.
It sounds like you're threatened by the fact that I'm challenging this. Why the "nanny' crack?
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Virginia Plain Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:24:55pm |
They should have come in with bigger guns than what they had. Maybe that would have kept the so-called activists with rinky dink weapons from assaulting the commandos.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:25:20pm |
re: #644 darthstar
How about the claims that the Israelis were "ambushed"? Kind of tough to do when you're on a boat and they're in a helicopter. My point being that the rhetoric is bound to get out of control based on how a person views the incident.
and my point is that you yourself are part of the rhetoric
| 651 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:25:41pm |
People really like hating!
It's fun!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:25:44pm |
re: #643 Charles
By the way, the more information that comes out about the flotilla incident, the more it looks like the people behind this operation made some very bad decisions. If they knew in advance that the activists planned to resist, why the hell did they send soldiers in armed only with paintballs?
I do believe Israel has the legal right to maintain the blockade, but whoever planned this operation seriously fucked it up.
Maybe in an effort to quell the problem, instead of a massive lost of life, on both sides. We've seen Israel try to find ways to mitigate civilian and collateral damage many times before.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:25:51pm |
re: #631 windsagio
I hate to call someone out, but since you insist.
You are not calling me out, I happily stand by that observation. Most are antisemites.
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:26:04pm |
re: #641 Walter L. Newton
I think it was intercepted with wonderful constraint and consideration... hell, the soldiers had PAINT GUNS, in an attempt to quell any violence rather that just opening fire... considering the outcome, I would say the strategy was very clever... of course, unless you have a problem with Israel protecting itself?
Yeah. Paintballs = Piss poor strategy.
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Neutral President Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:26:25pm |
re: #645 Bagua
Right, self-hating Jew = antiSemite
"Elder Garth from the Synagogue of the Anti-Semite. We're new."
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:26:43pm |
re: #643 Charles
By the way, the more information that comes out about the flotilla incident, the more it looks like the people behind this operation made some very bad decisions. If they knew in advance that the activists planned to resist, why the hell did they send soldiers in armed only with paintballs?
Super-soakers were too bulky?
/
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:27:08pm |
re: #655 recusancy
Yeah. Paintballs = Piss poor strategy.
And if they had gone in with guns blazing, or firing on the ship with rockets, you would be whining how cruel Israel is... can't have it either way with you.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:27:26pm |
re: #634 recusancy
And he'll still be called an anti-semite who hates Israel.
Name a non-Jew who hates Israel (in the sense of being against its very existence) who is not an anti-Semite. Go ahead. Just one.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:27:33pm |
I especially love being called out as an artist, as if I should support all art unquestioningly, no matter how nasty or hateful. What next, do I support the band Skrewdriver?
There's a difference between not being afraid of free speech, and endorsing hate.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:27:34pm |
Something I don't know. Why did they think boarding via helicopter was necessary?
Haven't seen that part.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:27:39pm |
re: #644 darthstar
How about the claims that the Israelis were "ambushed"? Kind of tough to do when you're on a boat and they're in a helicopter. My point being that the rhetoric is bound to get out of control based on how a person views the incident.
They were ambushed with metal bars, pipes, knives, and other weapons as they boarded the ship. Period. Watch the video and stop the denial.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:28:07pm |
re: #643 Charles
Any time deaths result from an operation where you weren't planning on killing anyone, it's a fuck-up.
That Israel clearly wasn't planning on killing anyone is going to be lost on most people, of course.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:28:31pm |
re: #655 recusancy
Yeah. Paintballs = Piss poor strategy.
I'd just like to know how much of our $2.5 billion in military aid is going to pay for toys.
/
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:29:08pm |
re: #659 Spare O'Lake
Name a non-Jew who hates Israel (in the sense of being against its very existence) who is not an anti-Semite. Go ahead. Just one.
Huh? Obama is against Israel's existance? Did you see what I was replying to?
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:29:13pm |
re: #658 Walter L. Newton
And if they had gone in with guns blazing, or firing on the ship with rockets, you would be whining how cruel Israel is... can't have it either way with you.
the most entertaining part of this entire issue is how far some will nuance a very simple, clear cut situation....in the end, for them, it's all about emotion and not reality
| 667 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:30:04pm |
re: #659 Spare O'Lake
Name somebody in the mainstream in the US that is against Israel's very existance.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:30:14pm |
re: #643 Charles
By the way, the more information that comes out about the flotilla incident, the more it looks like the people behind this operation made some very bad decisions. If they knew in advance that the activists planned to resist, why the hell did they send soldiers in armed only with paintballs?
I do believe Israel has the legal right to maintain the blockade, but whoever planned this operation seriously fucked it up.
I agree, but I also am asking you, what would you have done differently?
Should they have gone in blazing?
Should they have not done that at all and risked casualties or kills from a crippling shot to the aft of the ship?
Should they have just sank the ship after shots across the bow were ignored?
I am seriously asking your opinion. I think the Israelis were put in a lose/lose situation. I really don't see any win for them in this.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:30:28pm |
re: #661 windsagio
Something I don't know. Why did they think boarding via helicopter was necessary?
Haven't seen that part.
much faster...duh
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:30:42pm |
re: #611 WindUpBird
it's hatred.
Sorry you don't get it. Sorry you're part of the hate. Hope you work on that.
Yes, you could say I hate people who think a bearded guy in a turban (which isn't an Arab/Muslim dress to begin with) and a bomb on top is an excuse to riot or kill someone.
Your assumption that most Muslims think that way, and that I think they do, is condescending to the extreme and I suspect insulting to many Muslims.
Grow up.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:30:46pm |
| 672 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:30:58pm |
re: #667 windsagio
Name somebody in the mainstream in the US that is against Israel's very existance.
Lex Luthor.
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Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:31:16pm |
re: #655 recusancy
Yeah. Paintballs = Piss poor strategy.
Next step up...
Rock salt shells, rubber slugs, stingers combined with stun guns.
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:31:40pm |
re: #672 WindUpBird
Pff He's too smooth for that.
Now the Joker, he'd carry on about international Jewery.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:31:58pm |
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:32:03pm |
re: #658 Walter L. Newton
And if they had gone in with guns blazing, or firing on the ship with rockets, you would be whining how cruel Israel is... can't have it either way with you.
There are other options rather then dropping in on a hostile boat unarmed and going in guns blazing.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:32:12pm |
re: #673 Gus 802
Next step up...
Rock salt shells, rubber slugs, stingers combined with stun guns.
That is actually a good point. Microwave area denial systems would be very effective too - if you are not afraid of people drowning if they jump overboard.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:32:42pm |
re: #675 albusteve
rules of engagement...military talk
Of course Rules of Engagement. Brain fart for Ludwig.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:32:46pm |
re: #647 WindUpBird
Who said I was playing nanny? I just said I DON'T LIKE IT AND I FIND IT HATEFUL. This is not a 300-level concept here!
To be crystal clear, for those of you who like inventing words I've never said:
Do I want South Park censored or taken off the air? No.
Do I want people banned from LGf for acting like children with their avatars? No.
But I find it silly, and I find it hateful. I'll point out that I find it hateful. And I'm not going to apologize for it.
It sounds like you're threatened by the fact that I'm challenging this. Why the "nanny' crack?
Because when folks cross the line between mere disapproval of an avatar (for example) and proceed to engage in a concerted group orgy of vile demands that its use be terminated. then you have an effective form of mob censorship.
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abolitionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:33:00pm |
re: #585 Charles
Agree wholeheartedly - off-the-charts crazy insane:
President Ahmadinejad Meets Neturei Karta Rabbis - 9/24/2007
Iran's Ahmadinejad on Holocaust
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Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:33:02pm |
re: #671 LudwigVanQuixote
ROE?
Rules of engagement. By way of McNamara and Johnson.
You know, "if you come across an NVA MG nest and it's before 8:30 AM and they're drinking tea while the winds are from the SW do not fire unless fired upon first." I'm joking there of course but that's what it was almost like.
| 682 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:33:09pm |
re: #670 Naso Tang
Yes, you could say I hate people who think a bearded guy in a turban (which isn't an Arab/Muslim dress to begin with) and a bomb on top is an excuse to riot or kill someone.
Your assumption that most Muslims think that way, and that I think they do, is condescending to the extreme and I suspect insulting to many Muslims.
Grow up.
Hey, so I was digging around in your back yard the other day, and I found all these straw men, all in neat rows, like the Terra Cotta Army! Do you make them in your garage? Maybe next time I start getting my ass kicked in an argument, I could rent a couple from you for the day.
| 683 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:33:28pm |
re: #679 Spare O'Lake
Except nobody actually got censored (except for south park, and I still say they knew that was gonna happen)
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:33:37pm |
re: #668 LudwigVanQuixote
I agree, but I also am asking you, what would you have done differently?
Should they have gone in blazing?
Should they have not done that at all and risked casualties or kills from a crippling shot to the aft of the ship?
Should they have just sank the ship after shots across the bow were ignored?
I am seriously asking your opinion. I think the Israelis were put in a lose/lose situation. I really don't see any win for them in this.
I absolutely don't think they should have gone in with guns blazing.
But when the protesters saw that the soldiers were armed only with paintballs, that almost certainly encouraged them to attack even harder. If they had Uzis pointed at them, they might not have been quite as ready to jump with those iron bars.
| 685 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:34:08pm |
re: #679 Spare O'Lake
Because when folks cross the line between mere disapproval of an avatar (for example) and proceed to engage in a concerted group orgy of vile demands that its use be terminated. then you have an effective form of mob censorship.
I got it, more hate, more excuses for more hate.
Don't worry, I get it!
| 686 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:34:31pm |
re: #676 recusancy
There are other options rather then dropping in on a hostile boat unarmed and going in guns blazing.
50 cal strafing would have been more sensible. But the Israelis were doing a typical SWAT type exercise in a heroic attempt to minimise casualties. They sacrifice the lives of soldiers routinely to try to minimise casualties on the other side.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:34:53pm |
re: #684 Charles
I absolutely don't think they should gone in with guns blazing.
But when the protesters saw that the soldiers were armed only with paintballs, that almost certainly encouraged them to attack even harder. If they had Uzis pointed at them, they might not have been quite as ready to jump with those iron bars.
they could have dropped gas and stun grenades as well
| 688 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:35:37pm |
re: #685 WindUpBird
Hate (and Money) make the world go 'round!
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:35:52pm |
re: #685 WindUpBird
I got it, more hate, more excuses for more hate.
Don't worry, I get it!
Telling me I hate Muslims because of this avatar is really fucking offensive. I'm pretty sure my comments on LGF for the past 9 months or so about them go a long way to dispute that.
| 690 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:36:03pm |
re: #681 Gus 802
Rules of engagement. By way of McNamara and Johnson.
You know, "if you come across an NVA MG nest and it's before 8:30 AM and they're drinking tea while the winds are from the SW do not fire unless fired upon first." I'm joking there of course but that's what it was almost like.
I would imagine that Israeli soldiers feel the same way.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:36:18pm |
re: #679 Spare O'Lake
Many of those words don't mean what you think they mean.
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brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:36:46pm |
re: #687 albusteve
they could have dropped gas and stun grenades as well
some of the "peace activists" were wearing gas masks, I think that is what they were expecting...
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sagehen Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:36:50pm |
re: #668 LudwigVanQuixote
I agree, but I also am asking you, what would you have done differently?
Should they have gone in blazing?
Should they have not done that at all and risked casualties or kills from a crippling shot to the aft of the ship?
Should they have just sank the ship after shots across the bow were ignored?
I am seriously asking your opinion. I think the Israelis were put in a lose/lose situation. I really don't see any win for them in this.
All I can think of is they should waited until they were within 10-20 miles of their own coast. This far out from territorial limits makes for extra problems.
| 694 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:36:52pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:37:14pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:37:16pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:37:22pm |
re: #686 Bagua
I'm sorry, you think it would have been better for Israel if they had opened fire on the boats with 50 caliber machineguns?
Can you explain how that would be better?
Or was that 'humor'?
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:37:23pm |
re: #686 Bagua
50 cal strafing would have been more sensible. But the Israelis were doing a typical SWAT type exercise in a heroic attempt to minimise casualties. They sacrifice the lives of soldiers routinely to try to minimise casualties on the other side.
No military consciously sacrifices the lives of their soldiers to minimize casualties on the other side...and no Israeli soldiers were killed in this operation. "Get in there and die for your country, but don't hurt anybody." Right.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:37:40pm |
re: #693 sagehen
All I can think of is they should waited until they were within 10-20 miles of their own coast. This far out from territorial limits makes for extra problems.
This is a very large part of my objection to the way this was handled.
| 700 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:38:14pm |
re: #695 albusteve
Na, you're just kinda crazy about internationalism :D
| 701 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:38:22pm |
re: #692 brookly red
some of the "peace activists" were wearing gas masks, I think that is what they were expecting...
Duh. And Israel played right into it.
| 702 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:38:42pm |
re: #524 MandyManners
According to her Wiki, She is currently a special adviser to President Barack Obama and Director of Multilateral Affairs for the National Security Council.
I stand corrected. In that case, her views matter a great deal.
| 703 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:39:04pm |
re: #696 Mad Al-Jaffee
And Cigarettes (or pot if you prefer)!
| 704 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:39:06pm |
re: #697 Obdicut
I'm sorry, you think it would have been better for Israel if they had opened fire on the boats with 50 caliber machineguns?
Can you explain how that would be better?
Or was that 'humor'?
it keeps the bad guys heads down, you cannot advance or fight with all that lead flying around....pretty old, fundamental concept
| 705 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:39:15pm |
re: #676 recusancy
There are other options rather then dropping in on a hostile boat unarmed and going in guns blazing.
The hostile boat was unarmed? How could they have been hostile if they were unarmed? And if they were hostile, then you admit that they were there to cause hostility?
You're not making any sense. What would have you done Captian Hornblower?
| 706 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:39:36pm |
re: #705 Walter L. Newton
He's not saying the boat was unarmed silly.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:39:47pm |
re: #692 brookly red
some of the "peace activists" were wearing gas masks, I think that is what they were expecting...
Wearing gas masks and armed with iron bars, clubs, knives and other weapons. If they attacked USCG, or Navy, or the EU piracy task force, they would have been shot and nobody would make a peep of protest.
| 708 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:40:12pm |
re: #689 JasonA
Telling me I hate Muslims because of this avatar is really fucking offensive. I'm pretty sure my comments on LGF for the past 9 months or so about them go a long way to dispute that.
More straw men. Come on, you know better.
I said I believe the avatars are a hateful thing. You may not KNOW or you may not agree that they're hateful, you may just think it's sort of a cute dig and a "hey, SP!" thing.
But I find it hateful, and in exceedingly poor taste. Sorry. That's how I feel.
I've been posting here for a while too! And if I stuck Piss Christ up as my avatar, or a picture of a nun [redacted redacted] from a CoF t-shirt, people would find that hateful, regardless of my intent.
See where the difference is?
Not saying JASON HATES MUSLIMS. Never said that. I repeat:
NEVER
SAID
THAT.
Okay. Now, I am saying that the avatar is a crappy thing to have as your avatar, and it may send messages out about your views that aren't what you intend for them to be.
| 709 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:40:14pm |
re: #707 Bagua
Man, why didn't they pack guns? This all would be so much more straightforward then!
| 710 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:40:23pm |
re: #705 Walter L. Newton
The hostile boat was unarmed? How could they have been hostile if they were unarmed? And if they were hostile, then you admit that they were there to cause hostility?
You're not making any sense. What would have you done Captian Hornblower?
Everybody is a Monday morning quarterback.
No matter what the Israelis would have done, they would come out of this smelling like shit.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:40:38pm |
re: #704 albusteve
it keeps the bad guys heads down, you cannot advance or fight with all that lead flying around...pretty old, fundamental concept
Shooting machineguns at ships-- especially strafting them-- tends to make them catch fire, blow up, and sink.
| 712 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:40:38pm |
re: #288 Shiplord Kirel
Wooowooo!
THE MOST MATHEMETICALLY BEAUTIFUL CROP CIRCLE DISCOVERED (sic)
Our local crop circle group, the “Piltdown Men,” once included the binaries for the formation’s latitude and longitude in one of their circles.
Local media and ufo enthusiasts failed to pick up on that and had to be clued to it with an anonymous telephone call.
You must surely have some photos of this - would you be so kind as to post a link? I'd love to see your group's handiwork....
| 713 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:40:38pm |
re: #665 recusancy
Huh? Obama is against Israel's existance? Did you see what I was replying to?
No I didn't. Sorry.
But still, there is a big difference between being critical of particular Israeli policies, as opposed to being critical of something like the blockade or of controlled access to Gaza and the West Bank.
Those who would negate Israel's right to exist within secure borders are indeed anti-Semites.
On the other hand, those who would disagree with the policy of construction in the West Bank are not anti-Semites.
Get the distinction?
| 714 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:40:46pm |
| 715 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:40:56pm |
re: #701 recusancy
Duh. And Israel played right into it.
I think next time (and there will be a next time) they will go the opposite way, to start with the threat of great force & then scale it back.
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:40:58pm |
re: #705 Walter L. Newton
The hostile boat was unarmed? How could they have been hostile if they were unarmed? And if they were hostile, then you admit that they were there to cause hostility?
You're not making any sense. What would have you done Captian Hornblower?
They were there as a PR stunt and the IDF played right into it.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:41:01pm |
re: #700 windsagio
Na, you're just kinda crazy about internationalism :D
if you do not understand how the UN operates, then criticise me, I'd say you were the crazy one....but rather ill informed and childishly idealistic
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:41:07pm |
re: #676 recusancy
There are other options rather then dropping in on a hostile boat unarmed and going in guns blazing.
They didn't go in guns blazing. That is an incorrect statement.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:41:34pm |
re: #713 Spare O'Lake
No I didn't. Sorry.
But still, there is a big difference between being critical of particular Israeli policies, as opposed to being critical of something like the blockade or of controlled access to Gaza and the West Bank.Those who would negate Israel's right to exist within secure borders are indeed anti-Semites.
On the other hand, those who would disagree with the policy of construction in the West Bank are not anti-Semites.
Get the distinction?
Thank you!
| 721 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:41:41pm |
And now that I've made my views on mohammed cartoons about as clear as I can POSSIBLY make them without a powerpoint presentation and a couple of teacher's aides, I'm going to lunch!
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windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:42:14pm |
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Slap Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:42:44pm |
OK, before I head off....this is WAY, WAY OT -- but so audacious that I had to share:
[Link: blog.makezine.com...]
Talk about combining passions -- hook up a trailer with a still and a pool table and it's a rolling clubhouse!
(The creativity, ingenuity and skill has me a little awestruck. Not sure if it's practical, but in this case, who cares????)
Enjoy!
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:42:49pm |
re: #711 Obdicut
Shooting machineguns at ships-- especially strafting them-- tends to make them catch fire, blow up, and sink.
yes it does, your catching on nicely
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:43:03pm |
re: #684 Charles
I absolutely don't think they should have gone in with guns blazing.
But when the protesters saw that the soldiers were armed only with paintballs, that almost certainly encouraged them to attack even harder. If they had Uzis pointed at them, they might not have been quite as ready to jump with those iron bars.
I think they would have started fighting no matter what. This was the angry militant boat.
In fact, I think they were hoping that the IDF had guns ready, so the fist thing that happened was a live fire response. Martyrs make for good copy.
The IDF seriously risked the lives of its own men to avoid that. It went to hell anyway.
My take on that is, don't bother with such things. Announce clearly before the flotilla sets off that if they cross a certain line, they will be sunk. Then sink one of the ships when they cross it. There is no way that Israel will be given a fair shake. It does not matter what they do, and I don't want to see the lives of soldiers risked unnecessarily.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:43:18pm |
re: #684 Charles
I absolutely don't think they should have gone in with guns blazing.
But when the protesters saw that the soldiers were armed only with paintballs, that almost certainly encouraged them to attack even harder. If they had Uzis pointed at them, they might not have been quite as ready to jump with those iron bars.
re: #684 Charles
I absolutely don't think they should have gone in with guns blazing.
But when the protesters saw that the soldiers were armed only with paintballs, that almost certainly encouraged them to attack even harder. If they had Uzis pointed at them, they might not have been quite as ready to jump with those iron bars.
Quite Concur. An open display of strength is often the best way to prevent being attacked. However, I do have to note that had the Israelis done that and then opened fire into the Islamists the death toll might have been much higher. And that would have made the screamers even worse. It's a judgment call they had to make in a lose-lose situation.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:43:23pm |
re: #722 windsagio
He's responding to someone saying 'so they should have gone in guns blazing?"
Man
Oh. I see. Sorry, Recusancy, my apologies for reading you wrong.
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:43:35pm |
re: #718 Obdicut
They didn't go in guns blazing. That is an incorrect statement.
I was replying to Walter's hypothetical only other option.
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garhighway Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:43:40pm |
re: #710 Alouette
Everybody is a Monday morning quarterback.
No matter what the Israelis would have done, they would come out of this smelling like shit.
Which was the whole point of the effort.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:43:41pm |
re: #347 Shiplord Kirel
I am not destroying any crops.
I thought you said you were involved making crop circles. If you do, you destroy crops. There is a reason grains grow up instead of sideways on the ground.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:43:43pm |
re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist
Come on down anyway. :)
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:43:46pm |
re: #710 Alouette
Everybody is a Monday morning quarterback.
No matter what the Israelis would have done, they would come out of this smelling like shit.
And that's my point. It's evident Israel was trying to mitigate this with as little harm done as possible, but it seems anything short of tucking-tail and running, would please any of the anti-Israel crowd... it's a catch 22.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:43:53pm |
re: #697 Obdicut
I'm sorry, you think it would have been better for Israel if they had opened fire on the boats with 50 caliber machineguns?
Can you explain how that would be better?
Or was that 'humor'?
I can explain. Those troops were Naval Commandos from Sayeret 13, highly trained troops that are of tremendous value. Some of them were badly injured. It was not worth the risk sending them in like that. They should use their guns at a same distance and not board the ship unless it is safe to do so. My point is Israel is always doing this, taking unnecessary risks to avoid criticism. The soldiers lives are precious.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:44:38pm |
re: #711 Obdicut
Shooting machineguns at ships-- especially strafting them-- tends to make them catch fire, blow up, and sink.
Running military blockades is not meant to be safe.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:45:05pm |
re: #709 windsagio
Man, why didn't they pack guns? This all would be so much more straightforward then!
Why didn't who pack guns?
| 738 |
windsagio Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:45:38pm |
re: #733 Walter L. Newton
You're attacking the whole premise of blogging now, Walter :p
But I'm off to lunch too, later!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:45:40pm |
re: #716 recusancy
They were there as a PR stunt and the IDF played right into it.
Again, what would you have done? Please explain what your plan would have been if you had in the officer in command.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:46:38pm |
re: #725 LudwigVanQuixote
That would be incredibly stupid. The first boat over the line would not be full of the worst of the bunch, but the 'best'. It would be a tragically stupid move on Israel's part to sink the first boat over the line.
There is no good answer for what Israel should do, in many circumstances. Many times Israel has to choose between the swamp and the brambles. That doesn't mean that all possible responses are equal.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:46:57pm |
re: #739 Dark_Falcon
Again, what would you have done? Please explain what your plan would have been if you had in the officer in command.
yes, lets use our imaginations here, after the fact of course....that should be an advantage to all you folks!
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:47:34pm |
re: #725 LudwigVanQuixote
I think they would have started fighting no matter what. This was the angry militant boat.
In fact, I think they were hoping that the IDF had guns ready, so the fist thing that happened was a live fire response. Martyrs make for good copy.
The IDF seriously risked the lives of its own men to avoid that. It went to hell anyway.
My take on that is, don't bother with such things. Announce clearly before the flotilla sets off that if they cross a certain line, they will be sunk. Then sink one of the ships when they cross it. There is no way that Israel will be given a fair shake. It does not matter what they do, and I don't want to see the lives of soldiers risked unnecessarily.
Maybe some of them might have jumped anyway, but people tend to have second thoughts when looking down the barrel of an automatic weapon, fanatics or not. I think the paintballs were a huge tactical mistake; they left the soldiers relatively defenseless, and encouraged the mob to attack.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:48:24pm |
Seems to me there would be ways to damage a ship's propellers and or rudder without sinking it (at least not quickly). Then tow them in, then tow them back out and sink them. That should make the owners think twice before they rent ships to fanatics.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:48:37pm |
re: #734 Bagua
I can explain. Those troops were Naval Commandos from Sayeret 13, highly trained troops that are of tremendous value. Some of them were badly injured. It was not worth the risk sending them in like that. They should use their guns at a same distance and not board the ship unless it is safe to do so. My point is Israel is always doing this, taking unnecessary risks to avoid criticism. The soldiers lives are precious.
So you are saying they should strafe the boats with machineguns, probably sinking the boat and killing those aboard?
And you feel this would benefit Israel how? You feel this would save Israeli lives how? This is not the only time Israeli soldiers will be in danger. They are in danger every damn minute of their lives. Taking steps that push towards war with Turkey, for example, would not save Israeli soldier's lives, but waste them.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:48:59pm |
Modest proposal from Russian lunatics experts
Nuke the oil spill: Could nuclear bomb be answer for huge leaks as at US Gulf coast?
American nutburgerk expert Matthew Simmons weighs in:
I know a little bit about nuclear weapons. Take my word for it, this is a BAD idea.
Even deep underground, hard rock, shots in Nevada sometimes caused enough fracturing to vent to the surface. In the desert, most of the fallout just blew away. In the Gulf it would still have 5000 feet of water to go through.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:49:10pm |
re: #733 Walter L. Newton
And that's my point. It's evident Israel was trying to mitigate this with as little harm done as possible, but it seems anything short of tucking-tail and running, would please any of the anti-Israel crowd... it's a catch 22.
And it would seem that any criticism whatsoever of the actions of that particular government will get hyperbolic and absurd responses like yours branding them with the above-bolded sentiment. Anti-the-way-Israel-handled-that-particular-incident is *NOT* synonymous with Anti-Israel, your protestations notwithstanding.
With that, I am off to enjoy the grilling of meats, sunshine, and fresh air.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:49:46pm |
re: #691 Obdicut
Many of those words don't mean what you think they mean.
Thank you Carnak. May a thousand fleas infest your pedant.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:50:16pm |
re: #737 Gus 802
Give me a break with the 50 caliber MG talk.
They often get attention because the M2HB is such an excellent weapon. But you are right that it would not have been a good idea in this case.
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brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:50:20pm |
re: #743 Naso Tang
Seems to me there would be ways to damage a ship's propellers and or rudder without sinking it (at least not quickly). Then tow them in, then tow them back out and sink them. That should make the owners think twice before they rent ships to fanatics.
yes it would seem that the best way to stop a ship is to stop the ship.
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recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:50:50pm |
re: #739 Dark_Falcon
Again, what would you have done? Please explain what your plan would have been if you had in the officer in command.
Meet them at sea with boats, not helicopters. Or as Charles said, if I had to drop in on the boat I would have been armed. Or let them land in Gaza and give them a symbolic win and good PR for yourself. Only problem with that is it would be bad internal politics because the dick measuring contest would feel like it was lost for a day or two.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:51:48pm |
re: #740 Obdicut
That would be incredibly stupid. The first boat over the line would not be full of the worst of the bunch, but the 'best'. It would be a tragically stupid move on Israel's part to sink the first boat over the line.
All of those ships were trying to enable Hamas to murder Jews. Whether they realize it or not, lifting the blockade means that. They are not innocents. They chose to take this action. They have responsibility for the consequences. There is no boat of the "best."
There is no good answer for what Israel should do, in many circumstances. Many times Israel has to choose between the swamp and the brambles. That doesn't mean that all possible responses are equal.
This is true. It is also true that I am tired of Israel trying so desperately to be liked by an unfair world that the lives of her men are put in inordinate risk. In every other military in the world, it is understood that wars are messy things and that sometimes people get hurt. The fact is that these are not even innocent people. They made a stand against my people to aid those who would murder my people. They tried to break a blockade. For any other navy in the world, that would make them a kosher target. If we are going to have to love with the double standards placed on Israel then it is time to say WTF and fight to win, not to please whiny Eurodouches.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:52:13pm |
re: #737 Gus 802
Give me a break with the 50 caliber MG talk.
I'm not talking about firing indiscriminately on the people on the ship. I'm talking about normal, naval boarding operations. You fire the 50 calls across the bow to stop the ship. Should it shoot back, then you strafe it. Otherwise, the 50 cals give cover while an armed boarding party take control of a ship that has surrendered.
The people on board, with their hands in the air, are not harmed and the boarding is safe for everybody. It beats having your most valuable troops beaten, stabbed and thrown off the sides.
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Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:52:42pm |
re: #748 Dark_Falcon
They often get attention because the M2HB is such an excellent weapon. But you are right that it would not have been a good idea in this case.
Yeah, overkill. 50 cal. is mainly for armored targets. Sure, it would be part of the naval compliment and it could be used for warning shots but the idea of using that into the ships would be out of the question.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:52:57pm |
re: #750 recusancy
Meet them at sea with boats, not helicopters. Or as Charles said, if I had to drop in on the boat I would have been armed. Or let them land in Gaza and give them a symbolic win and good PR for yourself. Only problem with that is it would be bad internal politics because the dick measuring contest would feel like it was lost for a day or two.
no comment....jusy way too stupid
| 755 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:53:11pm |
re: #749 brookly red
yes it would seem that the best way to stop a ship is to stop the ship.
Seriously. Two boats with a steel reinforced trawler net strung between them would tangle and disable any ship.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:53:13pm |
Basic self defense includes don't make yourself a target. If being armed to the teeth deters an attack, then its self defense. The IDF commandos should have gone with live ammo and weapons displayed from the get go precisely to cow the crew into submission. Paintballs were a bad bad call.
Note I did not say guns blazing. Just that they had real weapons available and ready for use.
| 757 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:53:22pm |
re: #750 recusancy
Meet them at sea with boats, not helicopters. Or as Charles said, if I had to drop in on the boat I would have been armed. Or let them land in Gaza and give them a symbolic win and good PR for yourself. Only problem with that is it would be bad internal politics because the dick measuring contest would feel like it was lost for a day or two.
Letting them land in Gaza is not an option at all. If Israel did that, the blockade would be over, and the floodgates would open. It's not something you can just kinda do one time for some good PR.
| 758 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:53:25pm |
re: #725 LudwigVanQuixote
I think they would have started fighting no matter what. This was the angry militant boat.
In fact, I think they were hoping that the IDF had guns ready, so the fist thing that happened was a live fire response. Martyrs make for good copy.
The IDF seriously risked the lives of its own men to avoid that. It went to hell anyway.
My take on that is, don't bother with such things. Announce clearly before the flotilla sets off that if they cross a certain line, they will be sunk. Then sink one of the ships when they cross it. There is no way that Israel will be given a fair shake. It does not matter what they do, and I don't want to see the lives of soldiers risked unnecessarily.
100% correct. Next time (and there will be a next time) will be very different. No paintball guns.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:54:08pm |
Something a few people here might enjoy...epic flouncing at dKos by a poster who is definitely asking for it. The pootie pics and responses are all quite fun.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:54:22pm |
re: #744 Obdicut
So you are saying they should strafe the boats with machineguns, probably sinking the boat and killing those aboard?
And you feel this would benefit Israel how? You feel this would save Israeli lives how? This is not the only time Israeli soldiers will be in danger. They are in danger every damn minute of their lives. Taking steps that push towards war with Turkey, for example, would not save Israeli soldier's lives, but waste them.
No, see my #757. I'm talking about normal procedures that rarely result in injuries.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:55:18pm |
re: #750 recusancy
Meet them at sea with boats, not helicopters. Or as Charles said, if I had to drop in on the boat I would have been armed. Or let them land in Gaza and give them a symbolic win and good PR for yourself. Only problem with that is it would be bad internal politics because the dick measuring contest would feel like it was lost for a day or two.
The first option would have been very hard to implement, as there is no way to board a ship that doesn't want you to board from a small boat that does not involve the first-use of force. The second I've already said my piece about. The last would have been to invite weapons smuggling.
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Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:55:28pm |
re: #752 Bagua
I'm not talking about firing indiscriminately on the people on the ship. I'm talking about normal, naval boarding operations. You fire the 50 calls across the bow to stop the ship. Should it shoot back, then you strafe it. Otherwise, the 50 cals give cover while an armed boarding party take control of a ship that has surrendered.
The people on board, with their hands in the air, are not harmed and the boarding is safe for everybody. It beats having your most valuable troops beaten, stabbed and thrown off the sides.
OK, as a warning that would be acceptable. But say someone does shoot back you can't very well return fire in his situation with the 50 cal. You'd strafe towards the return fire on what turns out to be one guy with a 9mm and end up killing who knows how many people.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:56:06pm |
re: #750 recusancy
Meet them at sea with boats, not helicopters. Or as Charles said, if I had to drop in on the boat I would have been armed. Or let them land in Gaza and give them a symbolic win and good PR for yourself. Only problem with that is it would be bad internal politics because the dick measuring contest would feel like it was lost for a day or two.
To fools it may be a dick-measuring contest.
To Israel it is an attempt to manage an existential threat.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:56:31pm |
re: #743 Naso Tang
The whale activists keep trying with the Japanese whale hunting vessels. Not much luck. They try to foul the propeller and rudder with floats and cables.
I would think an inert torpedo that was acoustic seeking would do the trick. Just crash the propeller. The traditional way is a Navy ship and a shot across the bow. But that can not be a bluff.
| 765 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:57:21pm |
running a blockade includes NOT stopping for a Boston Whaler full of IDF guys...does everyone here understand what a blockade is, and what's involved with running one?....I don't think so
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:57:28pm |
re: #751 LudwigVanQuixote
All of those ships were trying to enable Hamas to murder Jews. Whether they realize it or not, lifting the blockade means that. They are not innocents. They chose to take this action. They have responsibility for the consequences. There is no boat of the "best."
I'm not sure why you're choosing to ignore my obvious meaning.
The first boat over the line would be filled with whatever Americans, Europeans, sons and daughters of representatives and senators, holocaust survivors, etc. That is who would be blown up and sunk.
Do you feel that action would help Israel?
If we are going to have to love with the double standards placed on Israel then it is time to say WTF and fight to win, not to please whiny Eurodouches.
Fight who to win what? Israel could completely occupy all Palestinian-held territory and expel all Palestinians, and attacks on Israel would continue. There is no winning for Israel as long as it remains surrounded by the despotic, medieval oil regimes. There is no peace for Israel.
Sometimes there isn't an answer. Sometimes the guy down the road beats his wife and you can't do shit about it because if you interfere she'll turn on you too. Some problems don't actually have an achievable solution.
| 767 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 2:57:58pm |
re: #752 Bagua
You don't know what the word 'strafing' means?
| 768 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:00:13pm |
re: #759 darthstar
Something a few people here might enjoy...epic flouncing at dKos by a poster who is definitely asking for it. The pootie pics and responses are all quite fun.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
That's an ugly flounce. A very toxic troll spewing Anti-Semitism of the kind that one would expect in Der Sturmer. Great reply, though. It gave him exactly the level of respect the troll deserved.
| 769 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:01:05pm |
re: #766 Obdicut
Do not despair, my fellow Jew.
Am Israel Chai...the nation of Israel lives.
There can yet be peace, but only through strength.
| 770 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:01:45pm |
re: #762 Gus 802
OK, as a warning that would be acceptable. But say someone does shoot back you can't very well return fire in his situation with the 50 cal. You'd strafe towards the return fire on what turns out to be one guy with a 9mm and end up killing who knows how many people.
You would not likely return fire from a single 9mm handgun. If they returned fire with RPGs and AKs it would be a different story. Once surrendered, and you risk boarding troops, you maintain cover. Should someone attack, you take them out. Likely at the boarding the cover would be 7.62 held by marksmen. But also with the .50 on over-watch ready to pop out a burst if needed. Say someone appears with an RPG on an upper deck.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:02:01pm |
re: #768 Dark_Falcon
That's an ugly flounce. A very toxic troll spewing Anti-Semitism of the kind that one would expect in Der Sturmer. Great reply, though. It gave him exactly the level of respect the troll deserved.
The dKos community is pretty good when it comes to roasting trolls...the traditional response has been to post recipes in reply (I always grab the ones from my gmail at the top of the spam folder...all Spam recipes, all the time). But the roast is usually vicious and unrelenting until the admins delete the diary and block the account.
| 772 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:02:11pm |
re: #667 windsagio
Name somebody in the mainstream in the US that is against Israel's very existance.
Pat Buchanan?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:02:13pm |
re: #766 Obdicut
Fight who to win what? Israel could completely occupy all Palestinian-held territory and expel all Palestinians, and attacks on Israel would continue. There is no winning for Israel as long as it remains surrounded by the despotic, medieval oil regimes. There is no peace for Israel.
Sometimes there isn't an answer. Sometimes the guy down the road beats his wife and you can't do shit about it because if you interfere she'll turn on you too. Some problems don't actually have an achievable solution.
I hear your points. I did not mistake your obvious meaning. I am not as pessimistic about it as you are - even when you do make good points.
I am saying that there is military reality and there is political posturing. I am saying that anyone aboard such a vessel is asking for it and they know it. I am saying that the message before the flotilla leaves, that if they cross such a line they will be sunk period will prevent real diplomats from getting on board - particularly if Israel keeps reminding them that they will be sunk once they cross a line. Perhaps you could send boats out to pick up anyone who does not want to go down with the ship before sinking it.
Do that with say 30 minutes to spare.
Once they cross that line though, Davy Jones locker.
| 774 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:03:10pm |
re: #766 Obdicut
Fight who to win what? Israel could completely occupy all Palestinian-held territory and expel all Palestinians, and attacks on Israel would continue. There is no winning for Israel as long as it remains surrounded by the despotic, medieval oil regimes. There is no peace for Israel.
Sometimes there isn't an answer. Sometimes the guy down the road beats his wife and you can't do shit about it because if you interfere she'll turn on you too. Some problems don't actually have an achievable solution.
fortunately the strife between the Palis and Israelis has an obvious, easily achieved solution
| 775 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:03:12pm |
re: #679 Spare O'Lake
Because when folks cross the line between mere disapproval of an avatar (for example) and proceed to engage in a concerted group orgy of vile demands that its use be terminated. then you have an effective form of mob censorship.
'a concerted group orgy of vile demands'? Are we talking about what I think we're talking about?
| 776 |
tradewind Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:03:18pm |
American Pro-Gazan Geezer who also suffers from an extreme case of BDS, tells his story./
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
Yeah, whatever.
| 777 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:03:37pm |
re: #769 Spare O'Lake
Israel will endure, but they won't have the guarantee peace, nor will any nation in our time. Mankind isn't going to outgrow war anytime soon, or being assholes, or terrorism.
There is no final battle to be had, no victory over evil on this earth. There are a thousand small victories to be had.
We defeated the Nazis, and now we see fascism rise in Europe again.
We see insane theocrats and anti-science hoodlums attempting to doom America.
The fight is eternal, and never over. It belongs to every person and every generation.
| 778 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:04:11pm |
re: #762 Gus 802
OK, as a warning that would be acceptable. But say someone does shoot back you can't very well return fire in his situation with the 50 cal. You'd strafe towards the return fire on what turns out to be one guy with a 9mm and end up killing who knows how many people.
You could use a tested-high-accuracy M2HB with an optical sight. With that set-up US troops are able to fire single shots at individual targets at great range. The problem is that those are ground mounts. I'm not sure it would be possible on a ship.
| 779 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:04:20pm |
It is possible and reasonable to think both that Israel was entirely in the right, and that boarding the ship at night via helicopter was a mistake. It makes the video look too tactical. It's harder to sympathize with masked men in body armor dropping down from the darkness above than it is to sympathize with sailors boarding ship to ship in broad daylight.
Again, I'm talking about the psychology of human perception, it is a given that Israel had to board the ship and that the ship's crew initiated the violence.
However, the real damage of this video is that it continues the slow erosion of the IDF's most important asset, its reputation as an invincible fighting force. Honestly, that video reminded me a little bit of the video of the ATF's initial bungled raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. The IDF didn't gather any new sympathy in getting beaten by pipes and tossed overboard, it pains me to say this but they looked somewhat inept, which is really the last thing they can afford.
The recent action in Lebanon also closed with conditions that allowed Hezbollah to claim to have weathered the IDF's wrath largely unscathed. Even though this is far from true they have regenerated much of their capability due to foreign support. Israel needs to choose the time, place and strategy of its engagements very carefully if it wants to avoid losing the aura of invincibility it spent half a century building. Winning each engagement has never been enough for Israel, they have always needed to make their enemies confront the absolute futility of initiating violence against them. That sense of futility is what's at stake. That's the PR problem that people are talking about.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:04:24pm |
re: #777 Obdicut
Israel will endure, but they won't have the guarantee peace, nor will any nation in our time. Mankind isn't going to outgrow war anytime soon, or being assholes, or terrorism.
There is no final battle to be had, no victory over evil on this earth. There are a thousand small victories to be had.
We defeated the Nazis, and now we see fascism rise in Europe again.
We see insane theocrats and anti-science hoodlums attempting to doom America.
The fight is eternal, and never over. It belongs to every person and every generation.
Amen to that.
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Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:04:51pm |
re: #770 Bagua
You would not likely return fire from a single 9mm handgun. If they returned fire with RPGs and AKs it would be a different story. Once surrendered, and you risk boarding troops, you maintain cover. Should someone attack, you take them out. Likely at the boarding the cover would be 7.62 held by marksmen. But also with the .50 on over-watch ready to pop out a burst if needed. Say someone appears with an RPG on an upper deck.
That would be different of course. They would adjust to the circumstances and if they returned fire with RPGs or AKs then you return fire with the 50. There were no RPGs or AKs on board the Mavi Marmara.
| 782 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:05:12pm |
re: #775 SanFranciscoZionist
'a concerted group orgy of vile demands'? Are we talking about what I think we're talking about?
colorful...I liked it
| 783 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:05:14pm |
re: #774 albusteve
fortunately the strife between the Palis and Israelis has an obvious, easily achieved solution
What is that solution, Steve? And why do you say it's strife between the "Palis" and the Israelis, when it's strife between Israel and every Muslim nation in the Middle East?
| 784 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:05:39pm |
re: #779 goddamnedfrank
It is possible and reasonable to think both that Israel was entirely in the right, and that boarding the ship at night via helicopter was a mistake. It makes the video look too tactical. It's harder to sympathize with masked men in body armor dropping down from the darkness above than it is to sympathize with sailors boarding ship to ship in broad daylight.
Again, I'm talking about the psychology of human perception, it is a given that Israel had to board the ship and that the ship's crew initiated the violence.
However, the real damage of this video is that it continues the slow erosion of the IDF's most important asset, its reputation as an invincible fighting force. Honestly, that video reminded me a little bit of the video of the ATF's initial bungled raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. The IDF didn't gather any new sympathy in getting beaten by pipes and tossed overboard, it pains me to say this but they looked somewhat inept, which is really the last thing they can afford.
The recent action in Lebanon also closed with conditions that allowed Hezbollah to claim to have weathered the IDF's wrath largely unscathed. Even though this is far from true they have regenerated much of their capability due to foreign support. Israel needs to choose the time, place and strategy of its engagements very carefully if it wants to avoid losing the aura of invincibility it spent half a century building. Winning each engagement has never been enough for Israel, they have always needed to make their enemies confront the absolute futility of initiating violence against them. That sense of futility is what's at stake. That's the PR problem that people are talking about.
And that is another argument to have just sank the bastards and have done with.
| 785 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:06:27pm |
Apropos of nothing, I heard on the California report one of the self-appointed 'moral' Republican candidates for Atty General complaining about the Federal government "sucking the state dry"...I love it when self-righteous pricks like this use fellatio as a metaphor without realizing it. Made me laugh out loud while I was driving.
| 786 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:07:55pm |
Damn...big section of pipe fell away while I was making the last post and I missed it.
| 787 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:08:22pm |
re: #773 LudwigVanQuixote
And if some diplomats call the bluff-- or think that Israel is bluffing, and stay on the ship? If the evil cowards put pregnant women and children on that boat? You can't really approach the boat to get people off of it if they try to keep you from doing so.
Such a plan, I fear, would play into the fever dreams of those who hate Israel, and not serve Israel's interests.
| 788 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:08:27pm |
re: #783 Obdicut
What is that solution, Steve? And why do you say it's strife between the "Palis" and the Israelis, when it's strife between Israel and every Muslim nation in the Middle East?
because I'm speaking about the Pali's that's why...and if you cannot deduce the remedy I won't help you....I don't play obtuse
| 789 |
tradewind Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:08:39pm |
re: #785 darthstar
Umm, perhaps using not so much a sexual reference as draining a well?/
| 790 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:08:44pm |
re: #784 LudwigVanQuixote
And that is another argument to have just sank the bastards and have done with.
And on that note...
"Israel will use more aggressive force in the future to prevent ships from breaking the sea blockade on the Gaza Strip, a top Navy commander told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday."
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Smart move.
| 791 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:08:46pm |
re: #777 Obdicut
Israel will endure, but they won't have the guarantee peace, nor will any nation in our time. Mankind isn't going to outgrow war anytime soon, or being assholes, or terrorism.
There is no final battle to be had, no victory over evil on this earth. There are a thousand small victories to be had.
We defeated the Nazis, and now we see fascism rise in Europe again.
We see insane theocrats and anti-science hoodlums attempting to doom America.
The fight is eternal, and never over. It belongs to every person and every generation.
Perhaps, but as Jews we all hope and pray for peace...even a secular one like me.
Oseh shalom bimromaav,
Hu ya'aseh shalom,
Aleynu v'all kol Yisrael
V'imru amen.
| 792 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:08:53pm |
re: #785 darthstar
Apropos of nothing, I heard on the California report one of the self-appointed 'moral' Republican candidates for Atty General complaining about the Federal government "sucking the state dry"...I love it when self-righteous pricks like this use fellatio as a metaphor without realizing it. Made me laugh out loud while I was driving.
perhaps it was a comparison to a leach of a vampire and you just heard what you wanted to hear?
| 793 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:09:47pm |
re: #788 albusteve
because I'm speaking about the Pali's that's why...and if you cannot deduce the remedy I won't help you...I don't play obtuse
So you are advocating genocide, forced exodus or apartheid?
| 794 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:10:02pm |
re: #792 brookly red
perhaps it was a comparison to a leach of a vampire and you just heard what you wanted to hear?
You do realize that the whole vampire myth is a sexual one.
| 795 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:10:04pm |
re: #773 LudwigVanQuixote
Agreed. Next time lots of obvious firepower. Maybe at dawn for surprise and then soon you have daylight to work in.
| 796 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:10:11pm |
re: #788 albusteve
because I'm speaking about the Pali's that's why...and if you cannot deduce the remedy I won't help you...I don't play obtuse
Whatever, Steve. If you're too wimpy to say what you mean, I can't help you.
| 797 |
tradewind Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:10:25pm |
By the way, the same Edward Peck who was deported from Israel after taking part in the flauxtilla, reportedly gave Reverend Wright the quote ' America's chickens are coming home to roost' after 9-11.
No agenda there.....
| 798 |
Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:10:31pm |
re: #790 Walter L. Newton
And on that note...
"Israel will use more aggressive force in the future to prevent ships from breaking the sea blockade on the Gaza Strip, a top Navy commander told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday."
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Smart move.
That's an unofficial comment:
The anonymous comment came the day after the Israeli Navy raided a flotilla of international aid ships headed to the Strip. Nine activists were killed in the raid, and dozens were injured.
| 799 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:10:34pm |
re: #785 darthstar
Apropos of nothing, I heard on the California report one of the self-appointed 'moral' Republican candidates for Atty General complaining about the Federal government "sucking the state dry"...I love it when self-righteous pricks like this use fellatio as a metaphor without realizing it. Made me laugh out loud while I was driving.
That's not necessarily a sexual reference. "Sucked dry" has often been used in a non-sexual context, and such uses predate and far outnumber its use in porn.
| 800 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:10:57pm |
| 801 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:11:12pm |
re: #793 recusancy
So you are advocating genocide, forced exodus or apartheid?
none of those three....think really big
| 802 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:11:40pm |
re: #767 Obdicut
You don't know what the word 'strafing' means?
I'm using it in the context of a burst of fire across the bow. Then say, peppering some isolated structure on board should they fail to stop. Srafe sounds about right.
| 803 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:11:54pm |
re: #795 Rightwingconspirator
Agreed. Next time lots of obvious firepower. Maybe at dawn for surprise and then soon you have daylight to work in.
Or just torpedo the boat and claim there was a bomb on board that must have gone off...seriously, this isn't a spectator sport. Real people are getting killed on both sides of this conflict. Wishing more death on one side or the other isn't going to solve anything.
| 804 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:11:55pm |
re: #798 Gus 802
I hope it becomes official policy with ROEs to back it up
| 805 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:12:13pm |
re: #787 Obdicut
And if some diplomats call the bluff-- or think that Israel is bluffing, and stay on the ship? If the evil cowards put pregnant women and children on that boat? You can't really approach the boat to get people off of it if they try to keep you from doing so.
Such a plan, I fear, would play into the fever dreams of those who hate Israel, and not serve Israel's interests.
If they do that, then they are the ones responsible for the deaths of those people.
There is a very simple legal principle here. If I am robbing a bank, and I take a hostage, and the police wound my hostage, I am the one charged with the hostages injuries.
Same principle here, only the people involved are not hostages. They are there risking their lives of their own free will. News flash, if you roll the dice with your life, sometimes you lose - and it was your choice to roll the dice. We have surely come a long way from not negotiating with terrorists.
| 806 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:12:32pm |
re: #797 tradewind
By the way, the same Edward Peck who was deported from Israel after taking part in the flauxtilla, reportedly gave Reverend Wright the quote ' America's chickens are coming home to roost' after 9-11.
No agenda there...
I actually think that quote was originated by Ward Churchill.
| 807 |
abolitionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:12:47pm |
re: #797 tradewind
By the way, the same Edward Peck who was deported from Israel after taking part in the flauxtilla, reportedly gave Reverend Wright the quote ' America's chickens are coming home to roost' after 9-11.
No agenda there...
Malcolm-X used that phrase in the mid-60's.
| 808 |
Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:13:00pm |
re: #731 Naso Tang
I thought you said you were involved making crop circles. If you do, you destroy crops. There is a reason grains grow up instead of sideways on the ground.
"Crop circle" is a conventional designation for these works of art, not a literal description. The word "crops" carries an implication of being cultivated for economic gain. Why assume that a design could only be made in such a medium, and not in, say, a pasture or a grass field that is scheduled for mowing and that belongs to either a participant or to someone who has given permission?
Here in Texas, they take a dim view of vandalism and trespassing and there is a lack of suitable "crops" in this area anyway. I suspect, in fact, that the property owners in England, where most of these appear, have similarly given permission or are involved with the activity themselves. It is an odd fact that nobody has ever been prosecuted for it.
| 809 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:13:15pm |
re: #775 SanFranciscoZionist
'a concerted group orgy of vile demands'? Are we talking about what I think we're talking about?
Nah, nothing that exciting. ;D
| 810 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:13:22pm |
re: #803 darthstar
Or just torpedo the boat and claim there was a bomb on board that must have gone off...seriously, this isn't a spectator sport. Real people are getting killed on both sides of this conflict. Wishing more death on one side or the other isn't going to solve anything.
You're right... wishing doesn't solve anything... carrying it out will.
| 811 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:13:47pm |
re: #807 abolitionist
Malcolm-X used that phrase in the mid-60's.
I think it has been around for as long as people have raised chickens...
| 812 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:13:59pm |
re: #807 abolitionist
Malcolm-X used that phrase in the mid-60's.
bullshit, I invented that term back in 1734
| 813 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:14:00pm |
re: #810 Walter L. Newton
You're right... wishing doesn't solve anything... carrying it out will.
You're not helping, Walter.
| 814 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:14:19pm |
re: #802 Bagua
I'm using it in the context of a burst of fire across the bow. Then say, peppering some isolated structure on board should they fail to stop. Srafe sounds about right.
Well, you're using the word wrong, so you should stop using 'strafe', and find a better word. Maybe, you know, you could call it 'a shot across the bow'.
And what if they fail to stop after 'peppering some isolated structure on board'?
| 815 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:15:20pm |
re: #814 Obdicut
Well, you're using the word wrong, so you should stop using 'strafe', and find a better word. Maybe, you know, you could call it 'a shot across the bow'.
And what if they fail to stop after 'peppering some isolated structure on board'?
Sink them.
| 816 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:16:12pm |
re: #814 Obdicut
Well, you're using the word wrong, so you should stop using 'strafe', and find a better word. Maybe, you know, you could call it 'a shot across the bow'.
And what if they fail to stop after 'peppering some isolated structure on board'?
pepper em again....repeat
| 817 |
Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:16:22pm |
re: #804 albusteve
I hope it becomes official policy with ROEs to back it up
More force could work such as increasing the amount of iron used for interdiction. This could increase the intimidation factor significantly. More force could also include nixing the paint ball gun foolishness with riot control weapons which I mentioned earlier such as rubber shells, stingers, etc. The idea is to provide a larger force and at the same time reduce the number of potential casualties.
| 818 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:16:46pm |
re: #813 darthstar
You're not helping, Walter.
I meant it... evidently I'm hearing a lot of "they shouldn't have gone in with just paintball guns..." well, then there is only two other alternatives, they shouldn't have gone in or they should have gone in with bigger fire power...
I'll opt for the bigger firepower... winning conflicts like this is always a matter of my violence is bigger and better than yours.
Like I said... works fro me.
| 819 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:17:06pm |
| 820 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:17:09pm |
re: #815 LudwigVanQuixote
Sink them.
/ya know, I think that big old rusty freighter is heading right at us...
| 821 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:17:17pm |
re: #805 LudwigVanQuixote
Sure. In principle. Israel is already way ahead on principles. It occupies the moral high ground securely.
What does that matter? What would the actual result for Israel be if they sank a ship with children on it?
It's bad enough press when the US or Israel accidentally kills children when targeting actual firepower coming at them. Sinking a ship that in and of itself lacked offensive weaponry, with children aboard, would be a nightmare for Israel, both domestically and for foreign policy.
| 822 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:17:24pm |
For all the wannabe tough guys who advocate just blowing them out of the water and saying to hell with it, remember that what happens in Israel also has repercussions for our American troops.
| 823 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:18:06pm |
re: #822 recusancy
For all the wannabe tough guys who advocate just blowing them out of the water and saying to hell with it, remember that what happens in Israel also has repercussions for our American troops.
Our troops can take care of themselves.
| 824 |
Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:18:24pm |
| 825 |
researchok Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:19:25pm |
After reading the posts on this thread, something occurred to me.
Why are Israeli soldiers expected not to defend themselves from knife and club wielding thugs intent on killing them? Why are Israeli soldiers expected to allow themselves to be butchered?
None of this has anything to do with the Palestinians or Gaza or the blockade.
| 826 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:19:28pm |
| 827 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:19:32pm |
re: #751 LudwigVanQuixote
This is true. It is also true that I am tired of Israel trying so desperately to be liked by an unfair world that the lives of her men are put in inordinate risk. In every other military in the world, it is understood that wars are messy things and that sometimes people get hurt. The fact is that these are not even innocent people. They made a stand against my people to aid those who would murder my people. They tried to break a blockade. For any other navy in the world, that would make them a kosher target. If we are going to have to love with the double standards placed on Israel then it is time to say WTF and fight to win, not to please whiny Eurodouches.
Spot on.
A key strategy of the enemies of Israel is to exploit Israels tendency to treat every military encounter as a Police type SWAT encounter. This allows them to kill more Israelis, they know that this is very painful to Israelis. They are happy to sacrifice 10 to 1 to achieve this. It is a war of attrition.
One has to respect the Israelis courage and humanity of course, but they should not sacrifice their soldiers lives so readily, no other military does this.
| 828 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:19:58pm |
re: #825 researchok
I'm not seeing anyone expecting Israeli soldiers not to defend themselves.
Can you point out who is saying anything like that?
| 829 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:20:06pm |
re: #817 Gus 802
More force could work such as increasing the amount of iron used for interdiction. This could increase the intimidation factor significantly. More force could also include nixing the paint ball gun foolishness with riot control weapons which I mentioned earlier such as rubber shells, stingers, etc. The idea is to provide a larger force and at the same time reduce the number of potential casualties.
if the peaceniks want to become that hostile, endangering lives, there is no other choice but shock and awe....it's their call
| 830 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:20:36pm |
re: #823 Walter L. Newton
Our troops can take care of themselves.
Of course they can, but are you really saying you're okay with our troops getting attacked even more than they are now? Oh, Memorial day was yesterday...I guess you don't have to care for another year.
| 831 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:20:36pm |
re: #803 darthstar
What I meant was enough firepower to deter aggression. Of shoot the first guy with a knife and have the rest toss them down. And by inert torpedo I meant to crash the propeller, which by design would not sink the ship.
I support the blockade. By force when necessary. Every rocket launched from Gaza is a failure of the blockade and or the borders. There will be no peace as rockets keep coming out of there. Notice the West Bank does well by comparison?
| 832 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:20:42pm |
I have obtained classified transcripts of the 3am board briefing:
Men: Will will be boarding a ship armed with Paintguns
Sir?
Yes?
What happens if this ship has armed terrorists aboard?
We board at 4am...
Sir?
Yes?
So if there are terrorists aboard..
Yes?
We won't be able to see them at 4am? Can we go at 6am?
You'll be armed with paintguns
Sir?
Yes?
What happens after the first time I shoot somebody?
With your paintgun?
Yes Sir..
And?
They don't die sir..What then?
*looks at watch*
Almost 0400 grab a paintgun and lets go kick some ass!
Sir?
WHAT?
What if they have a baseball bats and knives?
A baseball bat? These are peace activists boy! Now grab a paintgun!
Sir?
WHHHAAATT!
Can I change from yellow to red paint balls?
WHY?
Maybe it'll fool them to thinking they are bleeding or something...
Great Idea! Everybody change to the red paintballs
/
| 833 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:21:07pm |
| 834 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:21:08pm |
re: #824 Shiplord Kirel
Hmmm...
The ripples spread.
Very different than what Freepers usually post: The argument features facts and evidence, and the comments are sane.
| 835 |
Gus Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:21:37pm |
re: #829 albusteve
if the peaceniks want to become that hostile, endangering lives, there is no other choice but shock and awe...it's their call
Right. But it's not like they're sending three fleets of "the Imperial Japanese naval force" with a landing party of 3 marine battalions to land on the Gaza port.
I think we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves.
| 836 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:22:21pm |
re: #806 Dark_Falcon
I actually think that quote was originated by Ward Churchill.
Ward Churchill never said an original thing in his entire freaking life.
| 837 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:22:24pm |
re: #825 researchok
After reading the posts on this thread, something occurred to me.
Why are Israeli soldiers expected not to defend themselves from knife and club wielding thugs intent on killing them? Why are Israeli soldiers expected to allow themselves to be butchered?
None of this has anything to do with the Palestinians or Gaza or the blockade.
Because they are JOOOS.
| 838 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:22:35pm |
re: #824 Shiplord Kirel
Hmmm...
The ripples spread.
yup...been saying for a while now...the First is gonna take some sort of hit since personal responsibility is no longer a tempering effect...what a shame
| 839 |
researchok Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:22:36pm |
re: #828 Obdicut
I'm not seeing anyone expecting Israeli soldiers not to defend themselves.
Can you point out who is saying anything like that?
Yes. The media is portraying the Israelis as having initiated the violence.
That is patently untrue. If anything, just the opposite is the case. Further, why the outrage? The Israelis were just defending themselves from an vicious ambush.
| 840 |
tradewind Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:22:38pm |
re: #812 albusteve
Well, Wright said he got it from Peck.
Anyway, it's the thought./
| 841 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:23:07pm |
| 842 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:24:59pm |
re: #839 researchok
Oh, you don't mean on LGF, but elsewhere. Okay. Sorry, thought you were saying that about people here.
| 843 |
abolitionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:25:23pm |
re: #841 Alouette
"Humanitarian cargo" on Gaza-bound ships was mostly useless crap.
Ooo. Razor-wire on the "mercy" ship.
| 844 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:25:46pm |
re: #814 Obdicut
Well, you're using the word wrong, so you should stop using 'strafe', and find a better word. Maybe, you know, you could call it 'a shot across the bow'.
And what if they fail to stop after 'peppering some isolated structure on board'?
I think it more accurate to say I would strafe the water near the ship. Should that not work, I'd strafe a lifeboat or the propeller, maybe a couple deck chairs, let them know I meant business. Strafe is the perfect word.
| 845 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:26:05pm |
re: #791 Spare O'Lake
Perhaps, but as Jews we all hope and pray for peace...even a secular one like me.
Oseh shalom bimromaav,
Hu ya'aseh shalom,
Aleynu v'all kol Yisrael
V'imru amen.
Warning: There's something fishy about this link.
| 846 |
researchok Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:26:46pm |
re: #842 Obdicut
Oh, you don't mean on LGF, but elsewhere. Okay. Sorry, thought you were saying that about people here.
Yup. As I was reading the posts here, I realized the enormous disconnect between the conversation here and what is being pushed on the tube.
| 847 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:26:56pm |
re: #841 Alouette
"Humanitarian cargo" on Gaza-bound ships was mostly useless crap.
"Major David Elmaliach, also from the Gaza CLA, said that no guns, rockets or explosives were found on any of the ships."
| 848 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:27:07pm |
re: #845 Spare O'Lake
Warning: There's something fishy about this link.
Always carping about something!
| 849 |
Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:28:23pm |
| 850 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:28:53pm |
| 851 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:29:17pm |
| 852 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:29:18pm |
re: #841 Alouette
"Humanitarian cargo" on Gaza-bound ships was mostly useless crap.
Gidi Gofer, head of the Defense Ministry’s international transport division, said that the equipment that arrived in the cargo ships did not have proper transport manifests or any of the paperwork required to legally ship cargo by sea. “The cargo did not meet international safety or operational standards,” said Gofer.
. . .“The cargo ships were loaded haphazardly, with all of the equipment mixed up in the large holds. Ships loaded in this way would not be accepted in any port. We are loading the equipment on the trucks far more carefully than it was loaded on to the ships,” he said.
| 853 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:30:28pm |
re: #844 Bagua
I think it more accurate to say I would strafe the water near the ship. Should that not work, I'd strafe a lifeboat or the propeller, maybe a couple deck chairs, let them know I meant business. Strafe is the perfect word.
wrong!...Websters mentions no deck chairs!
| 854 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:31:04pm |
| 855 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:31:11pm |
| 856 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:31:24pm |
| 857 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:31:26pm |
| 858 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:32:05pm |
| 859 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:32:06pm |
re: #844 Bagua
No, strafe's overwhelmingly common military meaning is to fire weapons from a low-flying aircraft at the ground, with a smaller meaning of firing weapons from any other moving platform at high speed. You strafe in order to interdict and destroy, it does not imply accuracy-- it implies a high degree of inaccuracy, actually-- and is about the most imperfect word you could have used.
You can just say you'd fire into the water near them; strafe adds unnecessary confusion and inaccuracy, since it's exactly the opposite of what you say you want to convey.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
This is not a big point and it's silly to dig your heels in over your misuse of a word.
| 860 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:32:06pm |
| 861 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:33:20pm |
re: #859 Obdicut
No, strafe's overwhelmingly common military meaning is to fire weapons from a low-flying aircraft at the ground, with a smaller meaning of firing weapons from any other moving platform at high speed. You strafe in order to interdict and destroy, it does not imply accuracy-- it implies a high degree of inaccuracy, actually-- and is about the most imperfect word you could have used.
You can just say you'd fire into the water near them; strafe adds unnecessary confusion and inaccuracy, since it's exactly the opposite of what you say you want to convey.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
This is not a big point and it's silly to dig your heels in over your misuse of a word.
hook, line and sinker.....you should consider changing your nic to Obsessivecut
| 862 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:33:30pm |
re: #830 darthstar
Of course they can, but are you really saying you're okay with our troops getting attacked even more than they are now? Oh, Memorial day was yesterday...I guess you don't have to care for another year.
Yawn.
| 863 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:33:46pm |
re: #860 rwdflynavy
Oh great, this old tuna.
I think this is like the 6th time we have netted fish puns...
| 864 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:34:17pm |
| 865 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:34:24pm |
re: #863 brookly red
I think this is like the 6th time we have netted fish puns...
Are you getting steamed?
| 866 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:34:26pm |
| 867 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:34:56pm |
re: #859 Obdicut
No, strafe's overwhelmingly common military meaning is to fire weapons from a low-flying aircraft at the ground, with a smaller meaning of firing weapons from any other moving platform at high speed. You strafe in order to interdict and destroy, it does not imply accuracy-- it implies a high degree of inaccuracy, actually-- and is about the most imperfect word you could have used.
You can just say you'd fire into the water near them; strafe adds unnecessary confusion and inaccuracy, since it's exactly the opposite of what you say you want to convey.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
This is not a big point and it's silly to dig your heels in over your misuse of a word.
Lol, Obdicut will argue the most pedantic nonsense till the bitter end. Wikepedia is now the arbiter of English definitions? I didn't get that memo.
| 868 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:35:08pm |
#859 Obdicut
re: #841 Alouette
"Humanitarian cargo" on Gaza-bound ships was mostly useless crap.
What does this teach us about the "humanitarian" mission? That it was a setup from the getgo.
| 869 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:35:16pm |
re: #863 brookly red
I think this is like the 6th time we have netted fish puns...
Are you saying it's getting Muskie?
| 870 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:35:18pm |
| 871 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:35:54pm |
| 872 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:36:00pm |
Later folks, I'm going to strafe on out of here, pepper a few uninhabited structures, and torpedo me a cup of coffee.
| 873 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:36:10pm |
| 874 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:36:43pm |
| 875 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:36:43pm |
| 876 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:37:08pm |
| 877 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:37:10pm |
re: #863 brookly red
I smelt it coming from a long way down the pike. Such a haddock; you can reely just reuse all your old puns. Some people always flounder and cast about, but most people just sail by with a few old herrings.
| 878 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:37:15pm |
| 879 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:37:29pm |
re: #868 Rightwingconspirator
#859 Obdicut
What does this teach us about the "humanitarian" mission? That it was a setup from the getgo.
Yep, a setup. And the goal to give Israel the impossible task of stopping large vessels using hand to hand combat, and even then it will be called another "massacre by the evil Jews."
| 880 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:38:57pm |
re: #867 Bagua
Lol, Obdicut will argue the most pedantic nonsense till the bitter end. Wikepedia is now the arbiter of English definitions? I didn't get that memo.
Every single dictionary has the same definition, Bagua.
If you want to appear ignorant and give the impression you're advocating for the boats to be strafed, have fun continuing to use the wrong word out of pride. Great plan. You're sure showing me!
| 881 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:39:55pm |
| 882 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:40:04pm |
re: #859 Obdicut
This is not a big point and it's silly to dig your heels
An attack of machine-gun or cannon fire from a low-flying aircraft.
No mention of what is being strafed nor where (land,,, sea)
Looks as if there's more than two heels dug in here
[Link: dictionary.reference.com...]
| 883 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:41:01pm |
re: #882 sattv4u2
Really?
to attack (ground troops or installations) by airplanes with machine-gun fire.
Can you not read?
| 884 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:41:02pm |
re: #880 Obdicut
Every single dictionary has the same definition, Bagua.
If you want to appear ignorant and give the impression you're advocating for the boats to be strafed, have fun continuing to use the wrong word out of pride. Great plan. You're sure showing me!
You seem to be under a lot of pressure...
| 885 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:41:45pm |
| 886 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:42:09pm |
re: #880 Obdicut
Every single dictionary has the same definition, Bagua.
If you want to appear ignorant and give the impression you're advocating for the boats to be strafed, have fun continuing to use the wrong word out of pride. Great plan. You're sure showing me!
fuck off you insolent anal twit....your appearance is taking a hit too
| 887 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:42:17pm |
| 888 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:42:58pm |
Ob, I have to say that I've seen the word strafe used to describe firing maneuvers that have nothing to do with aircraft.
| 889 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:43:01pm |
re: #868 Rightwingconspirator
#859 Obdicut
What does this teach us about the "humanitarian" mission? That it was a setup from the getgo.
I think we kind of knew that already.
Even before they started bringing violent sidekicks, these groups were never bringing needed aid. This was a propaganda routine.
It just became a better one.
| 890 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:43:10pm |
re: #885 Obdicut
Que?
I bet you drink like a...I bet you drink alot.
C'mon man, fish puns, pressure....
| 891 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:43:42pm |
re: #698 darthstar
No military consciously sacrifices the lives of their soldiers to minimize casualties on the other side...and no Israeli soldiers were killed in this operation. "Get in there and die for your country, but don't hurt anybody." Right.
You are wrong. While this incident was not fatal, Israel has consistently over the decades exposed their troops to danger in armed conflicts to avoid more casualties on the other side. They are always sending SWAT type operations into situation in which they could use bombs or artillery. This is all very noble, but it causes a constant stream of dead Israeli soldiers and Israel gets demonised either way.
| 892 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:43:58pm |
| 893 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:44:02pm |
re: #841 Alouette
"Humanitarian cargo" on Gaza-bound ships was mostly useless crap.
“The cargo ships were loaded haphazardly, with all of the equipment mixed up in the large holds. Ships loaded in this way would not be accepted in any port. We are loading the equipment on the trucks far more carefully than it was loaded on to the ships,” he said.
Personally the most nauseating part to me was the "activists'" insistence on mentioning the wheelchairs they were bringing in with every other sentence.
"Weeee're bringing wheeeyeeelchairs!"
As though Israel were forcing all the handicapped people in Gaza to crawl around on their hands and knees.
*spit*
| 894 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:44:40pm |
re: #883 Obdicut
Really?
scroll down, grasshopper,,, scroll DOWN
Can you not read?
Word Origin & History
strafe
1915, "punish, attack," picked up by British soldiers from Ger. strafen "to punish" (from P.Gmc. *stræf-), in slogan Gott strafe England "May God punish England," current in Germany c.1914-16 at the start of World War I. The word used for many kinds of attack at first; meaning "shoot up ground positions from low-flying aircraft" emerged as the main sense 1942.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper
Cite This Source
strafe (strāf)
tr.v. strafed, straf·ing, strafes
To attack (ground troops, for example) with a machine gun or cannon from a low-flying aircraft.
n. An attack of machine-gun or cannon fire from a low-flying aircraft.
You want to debate what FOR EXAMPLE means?
| 895 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:45:07pm |
| 896 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:45:34pm |
re: #888 JasonA
Ob, I have to say that I've seen the word strafe used to describe firing maneuvers that have nothing to do with aircraft.
WW2 Submarines Strafed ships at sea....
| 897 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:45:58pm |
re: #868 Rightwingconspirator
#859 Obdicut
What does this teach us about the "humanitarian" mission? That it was a setup from the getgo.
The problem is that most people won't hear that. They only see the highlights and don't read the later, more in-depth articles. That's part of what lets people smear Israel and get way with it.
| 898 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:45:59pm |
re: #813 darthstar
You're not helping, Walter Leon. Why is that?
| 899 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:46:07pm |
re: #895 albusteve
then we give you a special Mexican phatwa
Green chile salsa on that Mexican phatwa?
| 900 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:46:11pm |
re: #896 HoosierHoops
WW2 Submarines Strafed ships at sea...
ssshhhhh ,,,, you'll harshen Obdi's buzz!
| 901 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:46:12pm |
re: #886 albusteve
Again I say... que?
I'm glad Bagua didn't actually mean that he wanted the boats strafed. I'm unsure why he still insists it's the perfect word-- it was stupid of me to say it was 'pride' that was the reason, as I have no clue as to his motivations.
But DarkFalcon or any military buff will tell you-- strafing is attacking a target with machinegun fire from a rapidly moving platform, normally an aircraft, it implies destruction and inaccuracy, and is the wrong word to use.
It's beyond bizarre that anyone is arguing against this.
And your personal attacks are thoroughly unoriginal.
| 902 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:46:51pm |
re: #880 Obdicut
Every single dictionary has the same definition, Bagua.
If you want to appear ignorant and give the impression you're advocating for the boats to be strafed, have fun continuing to use the wrong word out of pride. Great plan. You're sure showing me!
Do you really think you're getting a rod eel?
| 903 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:47:20pm |
re: #888 JasonA
Ob, I have to say that I've seen the word strafe used to describe firing maneuvers that have nothing to do with aircraft.
As I said that as well. The point is that it's inaccurate fire, since it's coming from a fast-moving platform.
| 904 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:47:30pm |
re: #899 Rightwingconspirator
Green chile salsa on that Mexican phatwa?
the hottest....burn baby burn....then shit for 2 days....phatwa over
| 905 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:47:38pm |
In the Navy we use "warning shots" and "disabling fire". Warning shots are the traditional across the bow kind of thing. Disabling fire is taking out engines and such. Also, in the case of drug runners, we do use a 50 cal sniper rifle to take out the engines. This is called AUF or Authorized Use of Force.
Thus endeth the lesson.
| 906 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:47:38pm |
| 907 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:48:00pm |
| 908 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:48:07pm |
re: #880 Obdicut
Every single dictionary has the same definition, Bagua.
If you want to appear ignorant and give the impression you're advocating for the boats to be strafed, have fun continuing to use the wrong word out of pride. Great plan. You're sure showing me!
You are a strange, obsessive person Obdicut.
| 909 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:48:21pm |
re: #906 ryannon
I still want to see your crop circle.
I got slapped last time I asked a woman that...
| 910 |
Summer Seale Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:49:21pm |
I actually do wish that we were in "Those Times".
Then Glenn and the rest of the idiots could get taken away by the "Rapture" and fucking well leave the rest of us alone to lead normal and less insane lives.
| 911 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:49:31pm |
re: #903 Obdicut
As I said that as well. The point is that it's inaccurate fire, since it's coming from a fast-moving platform.
strafing can be exceedingly accurate....both my flyboy uncles got very good at it...in fact one won the DFC for strafing Nork troops and vehicles....you are officially a dope
| 912 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:49:52pm |
re: #905 rwdflynavy
Thus endeth the lesson
Great.
Do I get to pilot one of those neat stealth bombers now!?!?!
| 913 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:50:15pm |
re: #905 rwdflynavy
In the Navy we use "warning shots" and "disabling fire". Warning shots are the traditional across the bow kind of thing. Disabling fire is taking out engines and such. Also, in the case of drug runners, we do use a 50 cal sniper rifle to take out the engines. This is called AUF or Authorized Use of Force.
Thus endeth the lesson.
we call it Whoop Ass
| 914 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:50:33pm |
re: #912 sattv4u2
Thus endeth the lesson
Great.
Do I get to pilot one of those neat stealth bombers now!?!?!
No, that would be the Air Force. You need another lesson...
//
| 915 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:51:24pm |
re: #901 Obdicut
Precision fire is the word today. The Coast Guard can hit an engine on a speedboat from a helicopter, and miss the crew. But forcing a ship to stop takes lethal force one way or another. Failing to force it to stop may well result in many more lives lost. This is worth repeating-Every rocket entering Gaza is a fail. Every rocket fired out of Gaza is a visible and potentially deadly failure of the borders or the blockade. Oh and about those SCUD missiles they may now have...
| 916 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:51:26pm |
re: #913 albusteve
we call it Whoop Ass
Given how many counter narcotics deployments I did in the 90's where I couldn't stop the bad guys, I think AUF is all kinds of awesome!!!
| 917 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:51:31pm |
re: #908 Bagua
You are a strange, obsessive person Obdicut.
And your personal attacks are unoriginal, but we can't all be perfect.
I am obsessive about the correct usage of terminology in a lot of cases, it's true. It probably is strange. Whatever.
If you say strafe when you mean to fire warning shots, you're going to give entirely the wrong impression of what you mean. Words matter. Communication matters. Using the right words matter. The Israeli soldiers didn't assault the boats-- it's quite right to point out that usage of the word is wrong. You don't want the boats strafed, you want warning shots fired across their bows.
Words matter.
| 918 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:51:35pm |
re: #896 HoosierHoops
WW2 Submarines Strafed ships at sea...
Yes, with machine guns and automatic cannons. That was normally done to small ships. Towards the end of the war, US subs used MG and 20mm cannons to sink Japanese fishing ships. The automatic weapons also sometimes used to kill anyone who had survived the initial sinking. By that stage of the war the revelations of Japanese atrocities had caused many sub crews to take a "Kill 'em all!" approach.
| 919 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:51:42pm |
re: #905 rwdflynavy
In the Navy we use "warning shots" and "disabling fire". Warning shots are the traditional across the bow kind of thing. Disabling fire is taking out engines and such. Also, in the case of drug runners, we do use a 50 cal sniper rifle to take out the engines. This is called AUF or Authorized Use of Force.
Thus endeth the lesson.
I also read somewhere today they fired a shot across the bow before boarding...Any person here that has ever heard a Naval shell live and in person knows this isn't play school...The sound is terrifying and thunderous..
This boat knew exactly what they were doing...And carried on in Harms way
| 920 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:52:00pm |
re: #914 rwdflynavy
No, that would be the Air Force. You need another lesson...
//
Can I touch a JSF? Please?
| 921 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:52:26pm |
re: #903 Obdicut
As I said that as well. The point is that it's inaccurate fire, since it's coming from a fast-moving platform.
huh?
Accurate fire can't be achieved from a "fast moving platform"?
| 922 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:52:30pm |
re: #891 Bagua
You are wrong. While this incident was not fatal, Israel has consistently over the decades exposed their troops to danger in armed conflicts to avoid more casualties on the other side. They are always sending SWAT type operations into situation in which they could use bombs or artillery. This is all very noble, but it causes a constant stream of dead Israeli soldiers and Israel gets demonised either way.
But your implication was that they were intentionally sending soldiers to their deaths, and I honestly don't believe that to be their intention.
| 923 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:53:16pm |
re: #914 rwdflynavy
No, that would be the Air Force. You need another lesson...
//
Damn ,, I had my Snoopy WW1 vintage leather helmet ready and everything!!
| 924 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:53:29pm |
re: #901 Obdicut
Again I say... que?
I'm glad Bagua didn't actually mean that he wanted the boats strafed. I'm unsure why he still insists it's the perfect word-- it was stupid of me to say it was 'pride' that was the reason, as I have no clue as to his motivations.
But DarkFalcon or any military buff will tell you-- strafing is attacking a target with machinegun fire from a rapidly moving platform, normally an aircraft, it implies destruction and inaccuracy, and is the wrong word to use.
It's beyond bizarre that anyone is arguing against this.
And your personal attacks are thoroughly unoriginal.
Thank you for giving me that credit, and for your apology. The later was a mark of man capable of self-criticism, which many people cannot do these days.
| 925 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:53:39pm |
re: #919 HoosierHoops
I also read somewhere today they fired a shot across the bow before boarding...Any person here that has ever heard a Naval shell live and in person knows this isn't play school...The sound is terrifying and thunderous..
This boat knew exactly what they were doing...And carried on in Harms way
I wonder what the biggest gun they have is now days...
| 927 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:53:53pm |
re: #905 rwdflynavy
Could you do that to a larger cargo ship and only endanger the engine crew? Maybe with AP 20mm? Or pepper the hull around the propeller to let water in slowly? The Coast Guard only does that disabling fire to open boats. Not real ships.
| 928 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:53:59pm |
re: #919 HoosierHoops
Check out the water going concave as the Iowa fires her guns:
| 929 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:54:29pm |
re: #924 Dark_Falcon
Thank you for giving me that credit, and for your apology. The later was a mark of man capable of self-criticism, which many people cannot do these days.
I suck
I suck often
I suck probably more often than I don't suck
((there ,, that should cover me for June!!))
//
| 930 |
Kragar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:54:38pm |
re: #905 rwdflynavy
In the Navy we use "warning shots" and "disabling fire". Warning shots are the traditional across the bow kind of thing. Disabling fire is taking out engines and such. Also, in the case of drug runners, we do use a 50 cal sniper rifle to take out the engines. This is called AUF or Authorized Use of Force.
Thus endeth the lesson.
Any other methods for fouling a ships engine? Cabling thru the props for instance?
| 931 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:54:56pm |
re: #925 brookly red
I wonder what the biggest gun they have is now days...
5 inch, a very capable round, but not as impressive as lobbing a shell that weighed as much as a VW Beetle at the enemy...
| 932 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:55:20pm |
re: #928 Obdicut
Check out the water going concave as the Iowa fires her guns:
Well, nothing in service that big anymore.
| 933 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:55:58pm |
re: #921 sattv4u2
huh?
Accurate fire can't be achieved from a "fast moving platform"?
You can do it if the seas/air are not turbulent or the ground is not bumpy. If there are waves, that can make high-accuracy impossible.
| 934 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:55:59pm |
Here's a little tidbit I hadn't seen before:
Guess who was one of the organizers of the fucking flotilla? That's right, Adam Shapiro of the ISM, the same guy who encouraged Rachel Corrie to get herself killed for his agenda. The bastard is going to be on a local radio show tonight. Go to Steinershow.org to comment.
| 935 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:56:07pm |
re: #901 Obdicut
Again I say... que?
I'm glad Bagua didn't actually mean that he wanted the boats strafed. I'm unsure [claim cluelessness] why he still insists it's the perfect word-- it was stupid of me to say it was 'pride' that was the reason, as I have no clue as to his motivations.[claim cluelessness]
But DarkFalcon or any military buff will tell you-- strafing is attacking a target with machinegun fire from a rapidly moving platform, normally an aircraft, it implies destruction and inaccuracy, and is the wrong word to use.[condemn][deny]
It's beyond bizarre [condemn] that anyone is arguing against this.
And your personal attacks are thoroughly unoriginal.[destract][condemn]
Of course Obdicut, it is a given that you will always deny, distract, claim cluelessness and condemn. I care not what you say. I ignore you unless you address me as there is no benefit in engaging someone as stubborn as you.
| 936 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:56:16pm |
re: #929 sattv4u2
I suck
I suck often
I suck probably more often than I don't suck
((there ,, that should cover me for June!!))
//
Got any plans for Saturday night?
/
| 937 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:56:16pm |
re: #927 Rightwingconspirator
Could you do that to a larger cargo ship and only endanger the engine crew? Maybe with AP 20mm? Or pepper the hull around the propeller to let water in slowly? The Coast Guard only does that disabling fire to open boats. Not real ships.
You could, keeping in mind that if you put holes in a ship, your next move is to board her to keep her from sinking...You are right on the Coast Guard btw.
| 938 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:56:41pm |
re: #916 rwdflynavy
I would just love to get to try that on a range. I did train for disabling fire onto cars. Even tried some training (inert) gun handling sliding down the rope from a tower. Hard, scary and fun as hell.
| 939 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:56:50pm |
re: #924 Dark_Falcon
Thank you for giving me that credit, and for your apology. The later was a mark of man capable of self-criticism, which many people cannot do these days.
I can self-criticize... but I never want to.
| 940 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:57:38pm |
re: #931 rwdflynavy
5 inch, a very capable round, but not as impressive as lobbing a shell that weighed as much as a VW Beetle at the enemy...
Yes, but a 16" shell hit would send most any merchant ship to the bottom. I love big guns, but in this case they are overkill.
| 941 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:57:41pm |
| 942 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:58:42pm |
| 943 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 1, 2010 3:58:57pm |
re: #931 rwdflynavy
5 inch, a very capable round, but not as impressive as lobbing a shell that weighed as much as a VW Beetle at the enemy...
Weighs as much as a VW Beetle and can hit one at 30 miles.
| 944 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:00:01pm |
re: #922 darthstar
But your implication was that they were intentionally sending soldiers to their deaths, and I honestly don't believe that to be their intention.
Not to their deaths as in suicide missions, rather I mean exposed to the risk of death, will full knowledge there will be deaths. Don't misunderstand, I also greatly admire this purity of arms and the nobility of Israel soldiers. But I think it needs to be tempered more as the enemy is exploiting this in a long war of attrition.
| 945 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:00:07pm |
re: #939 Walter L. Newton
I can self-criticize... but I never want to.
Nobody even wants to, but sometimes it must be done.
| 946 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:00:30pm |
I just had a thought. Remember those ships that sank the oil platform with water? How about some of that action on the Ship Of Fools fleet? (apologies to the Grateful Dead)
| 947 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:00:47pm |
re: #934 Cato the Elder
Here's a little tidbit I hadn't seen before:
Guess who was one of the organizers of the fucking flotilla? That's right, Adam Shapiro of the ISM, the same guy who encouraged Rachel Corrie to get herself killed for his agenda. The bastard is going to be on a local radio show tonight. Go to Steinershow.org to comment.
I better not, or I'll be in the confessional WAY past Saturday! !
| 948 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:01:21pm |
re: #946 Rightwingconspirator
I just had a thought. Remember those ships that sank the oil platform with water? How about some of that action on the Ship Of Fools fleet? (apologies to the Grateful Dead)
'bout time
The year is almost half over!
//
| 949 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:02:39pm |
re: #941 Obdicut
Wow. And I'm supposedly the obsessed one. Okay.
(backs away slowly).
You really could nag the pain off a wall.
| 950 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:02:45pm |
re: #941 Obdicut
Wow. And I'm supposedly the obsessed one. Okay.
(backs away slowly).
You do this so repetitively Obdicut, that is fair to point out. I've noted your pattern, as you are directing a flurry of pedantic posts at me, I pointed it out.
| 951 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:02:51pm |
re: #946 Rightwingconspirator
A couple of small vials of butanediamine and pentamethylenediamine per ship would probably make everyone without a gas mask jump overboard.
| 952 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:02:52pm |
re: #945 Dark_Falcon
Nobody even wants to, but sometimes it must be done.
I didn't make myself clear enough... I can self-criticize... but I've never had the need to.
| 953 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:03:34pm |
re: #946 Rightwingconspirator
I just had a thought. Remember those ships that sank the oil platform with water?
Maybe I haven't been listening to the pundits enough, but I haven't heard anything about how stupid that was. Who's idea was it to put out a flaming oil and gas pipe with water anyway?
| 954 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:03:49pm |
re: #383 Shiplord Kirel
A few years ago, a very nice crop circle happened to appear in a high grass pasture that I just happen to own. This may have been the result of some kind of harmonic affinity rooted in my having been born within sight of Stonehenge on midsummer day.
Or not.
Just saying.
I'd really be interested in seeing a photo of it. Or are you just joking?
| 955 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:03:49pm |
re: #952 Walter L. Newton
I didn't make myself clear enough... I can self-criticize... but I've never had the need to.
Now That's the Walter we know and love!!!
| 956 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:03:56pm |
re: #951 Obdicut
A couple of small vials of butanediamine and pentamethylenediamine per ship would probably make everyone without a gas mask jump overboard.
You probably could pedantically talk them off the fucking ship!
| 957 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:04:06pm |
re: #937 rwdflynavy
Better yet get everyone off and then finish the ship. To the bottom with it on CNN. Take the blockade runners to jail for a short time and send them home banned for life from Israel.
| 958 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:04:44pm |
re: #956 Walter L. Newton
You probably could pedantically talk them off the fucking ship!
I can see them now, jumping off the stern, hands over their ears
"YYYYAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH"""
| 959 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:05:06pm |
re: #950 Bagua
You do this so repetitively Obdicut, that is fair to point out. I've noted your pattern, as you are directing a flurry of pedantic posts at me, I pointed it out.
You're using a word wrong, and, hilariously, refusing to admit it for god knows what reason. Your litany of personal attacks on my character when I point this out are a rather disproportionate response.
I don't know why you're being stubborn about it. I'm over it. If you want to avoid causing confusion in the future, don't use 'strafe' when you don't mean 'strafe'. If you don't care about clarity, feel free to keep using the wrong word and saying it's perfect. It's no skin off my nose.
| 960 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:05:11pm |
How refreshing to see someone besides me arguing for proper word usage.
"Strafe" is not the right word to use when you're talking about any kind of precision shooting, much less a warning shot or a shot meant to take out a specific item (e.g. an engine) or a person. I suppose you could "strafe" something as a means of providing cover fire, but the general meaning is to rake a target with fire from a low-flying aircraft.
I don't know whose shoes I'm stepping on by saying this, and I don't care. Words matter.
| 961 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:05:34pm |
re: #956 Walter L. Newton
You probably could pedantically talk them off the fucking ship!
This could be Israel's ultimate weapon.
| 962 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:05:47pm |
re: #932 JasonA
Well, nothing in service that big anymore.
Yea..That's old school...The missiles the navy deploys will rock any enemies world...I was doing some job on the USS California years ago for like a week and they were testing the Missile hatches one day...
These are huge doors of solid steel that move so fast all you can say is Holy Shit! It's the first thing you say when your jaw hits the ground...
You just know that whatever is down that hole is going to ruin somebodies day....A Powerful display of the Navy that day...You can't believe something so big moving so fast..
| 963 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:05:50pm |
re: #960 Cato the Elder
How refreshing to see someone besides me arguing for proper word usage.
"Strafe" is not the right word to use when you're talking about any kind of precision shooting, much less a warning shot or a shot meant to take out a specific item (e.g. an engine) or a person. I suppose you could "strafe" something as a means of providing cover fire, but the general meaning is to rake a target with fire from a low-flying aircraft.
I don't know whose shoes I'm stepping on by saying this, and I don't care. Words matter.
Don't you mean toes?
//
| 964 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:06:05pm |
re: #955 rwdflynavy
Now That's the Walter we know and love!!!
It;s the silk robe that makes you hot, iddn't it !?!?
| 965 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:06:32pm |
re: #956 Walter L. Newton
You probably could pedantically talk them off the fucking ship!
Or we could send you there to explain the plot of LOST.
This is an incredibly minor display of pedantry on my part. I can outdo Stephen Fry.
| 966 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:06:37pm |
re: #964 sattv4u2
It;s the silk robe that makes you hot, iddn't it !?!?
That and your suckee long time comment!!
| 967 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:06:37pm |
re: #957 Rightwingconspirator
Better yet get everyone off and then finish the ship.
Exactly. I wonder what the ship rental terms were and who guaranteed the return.
| 968 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:07:19pm |
re: #959 Obdicut
You're using a word wrong, and, hilariously, refusing to admit it for god knows what reason. Your litany of personal attacks on my character when I point this out are a rather disproportionate response.
I don't know why you're being stubborn about it. I'm over it. If you want to avoid causing confusion in the future, don't use 'strafe' when you don't mean 'strafe'. If you don't care about clarity, feel free to keep using the wrong word and saying it's perfect. It's no skin off my nose.
Stop or I'll strafe in your general direction from a fast-moving airborne platform!
| 969 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:07:35pm |
| 970 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:08:25pm |
| 971 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:08:42pm |
| 972 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:09:05pm |
| 973 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:09:25pm |
re: #959 Obdicut
You're using a word wrong, [deny][repeat]and, hilariously, refusing to admit it for god knows what reason. [claim cluelessness] Your litany of personal attacks on my character when I point this out are a rather disproportionate response.[distract]
I don't know why you're being stubborn about it. [claim cluelessness] I'm over it. If you want to avoid causing confusion in the future, [distract]don't use 'strafe' when you don't mean 'strafe'.[deny][repeat] If you don't care about clarity, feel free to keep using the wrong word and saying it's perfect. It's no skin off my nose.
| 974 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:09:31pm |
re: #957 Rightwingconspirator
I just got finished cutting and polishing 5 stones... 2 pieces of densely packed gastropod fossils in a black marble (or agate?) matrix, a nice teardrop pendant of moss agate, a small piece of morceni turquoise (not to many flecks of pyrite, wish there were more, had to get good morceni anymore) and a king piece... a piece of Kingman turquoise that has so much hardened mud in it, that it's looks liek brown swirls mixed in with blue swirls of turquoise... the mud was just hard enough to take a polish without chipping out/off...
By the way, do you have anyone that would have a source of morceni?
| 975 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:11:40pm |
re: #960 Cato the Elder
Warning. This thread has reached maximum pedantry.
| 976 |
Racer X Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:12:21pm |
Weird.
I was at the supermarket about an hour ago and all of a sudden about a third of the people there just disappeared. *POOF*
The rest of us just looked around slightly bewildered, then went on about our business.
So glad you are all here.
| 977 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:12:36pm |
| 978 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:13:05pm |
re: #953 Naso Tang
There is an article, Charles had it as a topic. But that may have been the colossal error in the aftermath. If they had just cut the pipe a few feet down, and towed away the flaming platform we would all be way better off. Could have had real human expert divers fix the pipe near the surface. Maybe.
| 979 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:13:08pm |
re: #975 JasonA
Warning. This thread has reached maximum pedantry.
"Pedantry" is the word embarrassed people always throw at you when you've caught them in a malapropism or solecism.
| 980 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:13:35pm |
re: #976 Racer X
Weird.
I was at the supermarket about an hour ago and all of a sudden about a third of the people there just disappeared. *POOF*
The rest of us just looked around slightly bewildered, then went on about our business.So glad you are all here.
Check the frozen food aisle
I hear there's a party there every Tuesday night
| 981 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:13:43pm |
| 982 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:13:52pm |
re: #951 Obdicut
Is that what the save the whale guys throw at the Japanese ships?
| 983 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:14:09pm |
| 984 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:14:30pm |
re: #974 Walter L. Newton
I just got finished cutting and polishing 5 stones... 2 pieces of densely packed gastropod fossils in a black marble (or agate?) matrix, a nice teardrop pendant of moss agate, a small piece of morceni turquoise (not to many flecks of pyrite, wish there were more, had to get good morceni anymore) and a king piece... a piece of Kingman turquoise that has so much hardened mud in it, that it's looks liek brown swirls mixed in with blue swirls of turquoise... the mud was just hard enough to take a polish without chipping out/off...
By the way, do you have anyone that would have a source of morceni?
You have amazing talents..
I have a 35mm film container of Sunstones..
Is it worth pursuing?
[Link: www.jtv.com...]
| 985 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:14:44pm |
re: #979 Cato the Elder
"Pedantry" is the word embarrassed people always throw at you when you've caught them in a malapropism or solecism.
Is that like onanism?
| 986 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:14:53pm |
| 987 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:15:32pm |
| 988 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:15:58pm |
| 989 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:16:20pm |
re: #987 sattv4u2
Find refuge under any arch!
This thread has broken down..
Somebody call a toe truck
| 990 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:16:29pm |
re: #979 Cato the Elder
"Pedantry" is the word embarrassed people always throw at you when you've caught them in a malapropism or solecism.
In this case it is not pedantry, it is heckling. What you do is different.
| 991 |
ShaunP Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:16:44pm |
| 992 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:16:45pm |
| 993 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:16:53pm |
| 994 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:17:20pm |
| 995 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:17:39pm |
| 996 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:18:01pm |
re: #982 Rightwingconspirator
Is that what the save the whale guys throw at the Japanese ships?
Yes. The first of those is buteric acid, which the Sea Shepherds use to try to foul the processing deck of the whalers' factory ship.
| 997 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:18:13pm |
| 998 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:18:25pm |
re: #979 Cato the Elder
"Pedantry" is the word embarrassed people always throw at you when you've caught them in a malapropism or solecism.
Words change. I don't have an OED nearby so I have to rely on dictionary.com, but even the word we're arguing about didn't mean "from aircraft" until 1942, yet it goes back to 1915.
| 999 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:18:28pm |
| 1000 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:18:37pm |
Awesome closeups as big giant CRAW is apparently getting ready to try to bite off the riser again.
| 1001 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:18:48pm |
| 1002 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:18:50pm |
| 1003 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:19:14pm |
| 1004 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:19:21pm |
| 1005 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:19:29pm |
re: #974 Walter L. Newton
I know this man. Good people.
[Link: www.cabbers.com...]
His web says he is out of stock but he may have an idea where you could check, I'd develop that contact for rough. I'll check one other guy I know here in LA.
| 1006 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:19:38pm |
re: #984 HoosierHoops
You have amazing talents..
I have a 35mm film container of Sunstones..
Is it worth pursuing?
[Link: www.jtv.com...]
It's pretty... it take to faceting, beads or tumbled more than flat pieces or cabs, which is what I make a lot... it's not overly expensive, but like any mineral/stones, there are levels of purity, color etc.
I don't work with feldspars much.
| 1007 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:19:46pm |
re: #979 Cato the Elder
"Pedantry" is the word embarrassed people always throw at you when you've caught them in a malapropism or solecism.
Along with 'that's just semantics'.
An idiot lawyer brother of a friend of mine tried to tell a judge that referring to the accused as a criminal was just semantics.
| 1008 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:19:48pm |
| 1009 |
Racer X Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:19:52pm |
re: #929 sattv4u2
I suck
I suck often
I suck probably more often than I don't suck
((there ,, that should cover me for June!!))
//
How much?
///Bad Racer X! Bad!
| 1010 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:19:53pm |
| 1011 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:20:44pm |
| 1012 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:21:38pm |
re: #998 JasonA
What the word means now is generally much more important that what it meant originally.
"Nice" is one of my favorite words for that. Originally meant 'stupid".
| 1013 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:21:39pm |
| 1014 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:21:43pm |
re: #1005 Rightwingconspirator
I know this man. Good people.
[Link: www.cabbers.com...]His web says he is out of stock but he may have an idea where you could check, I'd develop that contact for rough. I'll check one other guy I know here in LA.
Bookmarked it... that's the same problem I am finding... out of stock... it's not that easy to get, I think the only mine it comes from is only worked occasionally.
| 1015 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:22:31pm |
re: #1012 Obdicut
What the word means now is generally much more important that what it meant originally.
"Nice" is one of my favorite words for that. Originally meant 'stupid".
nice can still mean stupid if you know what I mean...
| 1016 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:22:38pm |
| 1017 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:22:56pm |
re: #1000 Bagua
Awesome closeups as big giant CRAW is apparently getting ready to try to bite off the riser again.
The big giant nipper is about to try to chomp the Riser again, it tried before and failed. So they used the rotary saws to cut away the kill and choke pipes. And will now have only the Riser itself to crimp/cut.
Note: Chomp may not be the most precisely technical word to use.
| 1018 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:23:38pm |
| 1019 |
ShaunP Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:23:45pm |
re: #1016 rwdflynavy
Or you could try to sneaker it in.
I think we're starting to clog the thread...
| 1020 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:24:09pm |
| 1021 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:24:16pm |
| 1022 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:24:23pm |
| 1023 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:24:46pm |
| 1024 |
ShaunP Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:25:10pm |
| 1025 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:25:17pm |
re: #1021 HoosierHoops
I don't High Top to your notions Mister!
Quite the converse, I'm trying to achieve a new balance.
| 1026 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:25:53pm |
| 1027 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:26:14pm |
re: #1025 Obdicut
Quite the converse, I'm trying to achieve a new balance.
That is IT! I'm giving you the boot!!!
| 1028 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:26:15pm |
re: #1025 Obdicut
Quite the converse, I'm trying to achieve a new balance.
trying to impress the pumas huh?
| 1029 |
ShaunP Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:26:52pm |
| 1030 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:27:02pm |
re: #1012 Obdicut
What the word means now is generally much more important that what it meant originally.
"Nice" is one of my favorite words for that. Originally meant 'stupid".
And to a generation raised on videogames, which has completely altered the meaning of the word to refer to lateral movement, it will change again. But this all started when you claimed it was incorrect to refer to machinegun fire from anything other than aircraft. That's not true.
| 1032 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:27:33pm |
| 1033 |
Racer X Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:27:52pm |
| 1034 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:27:56pm |
I just got a marble rolling pin and marble pastry board.
What kind of pie shall I bake?
| 1035 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:28:00pm |
| 1036 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:28:02pm |
re: #1025 Obdicut
Quite the converse, I'm trying to achieve a new balance.
Just a quick commercial.. I love New Balance running shoes and I hope someday they will take over the world and make Nike their bitch...
Ok.. I feel better
| 1037 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:28:11pm |
| 1038 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:28:16pm |
re: #1031 Varek Raith
AAACCCOOORRRNNN!!!
Sigh.
We are doing foot/shoe puns. Seeds are later.
SEEDGOLD!
| 1039 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:28:18pm |
re: #1034 Alouette
I just got a marble rolling pin and marble pastry board.
What kind of pie shall I bake?
ummm,, marble!?!?!
| 1040 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:28:44pm |
re: #1034 Alouette
I just got a marble rolling pin and marble pastry board.
What kind of pie shall I bake?
pizza
| 1041 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:29:05pm |
| 1042 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:29:06pm |
re: #1037 brookly red
/oh no a flounce on a foot pun thread!
What would Paul Bunyon think about this?
| 1043 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:29:24pm |
Screen cap of CRAW about to bite the riser, note the riser has smaller choke and kill pipes cut away. Maybe CRAW will succeed this time?
Note: LGF pages is teh cool. Took about two minutes to screen cap and host on LGF pages.
| 1044 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:29:59pm |
re: #1014 Walter L. Newton
Ask on the Orchid forum at ganoksin.com
Lots of southwest people on that.
| 1045 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:30:15pm |
| 1046 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:30:53pm |
| 1047 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:30:58pm |
| 1048 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:31:05pm |
re: #1038 rwdflynavy
We are doing foot/shoe puns. Seeds are later.
SEEDGOLD!
Put down the chalk and step away from the blackboard, Glenn.
| 1049 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:31:37pm |
re: #1034 Alouette
I just got a marble rolling pin and marble pastry board.
What kind of pie shall I bake?
Oh ME! Pick me!
French Apple Pie!
The greatest pie ever invented in all of history..
| 1051 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:31:46pm |
re: #1048 Dark_Falcon
Put down the chalk and step away from the blackboard, Glenn.
I CAN PROVE THEY STOLE THE STRAWBERRIES!!11!! I CAN PROVE IT THROUGH GEOMETRIC LOGIC!!!11!!
| 1052 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:32:13pm |
re: #1043 Bagua
I love the new features. I have to hold myself back from putting too many up!
| 1053 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:32:42pm |
re: #1047 rwdflynavy
It tends to be a wedge issue.
I think you've got the makings of executive timber.
| 1054 |
brookly red Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:32:53pm |
re: #1034 Alouette
I just got a marble rolling pin and marble pastry board.
What kind of pie shall I bake?
would FVB please call the customer service desk...
| 1056 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:33:58pm |
re: #1052 Rightwingconspirator
I love the new features. I have to hold myself back from putting too many up!
I'm showing little restraint. If people don't want to read the Bagua page that is their choice. If they do, it brings traffic to the blog.
| 1057 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:34:24pm |
re: #974 Walter L. Newton
You should take a picture and Page it. Oh if you ever need light box/studio shots just let me know and send 'em. No charge for my fellow Lizard.
| 1058 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:35:28pm |
re: #1051 rwdflynavy
I CAN PROVE THEY STOLE THE STRAWBERRIES!!11!! I CAN PROVE IT THROUGH GEOMETRIC LOGIC!!!11!!
Chalkboard supplements a difficult sunrise. Chalkboard companions whatever syndicate before the hostile onion. Beck moans. Chalkboard alleviates the appeal. Chalkboard cooperates below the strong directory. Into a hilarious paranoia strains Beck.
| 1060 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:36:07pm |
re: #1043 Bagua
Are they just attempting to cut prior to where it's blown out so they can have a nice clean place to put a cap, or are they trying to squeeze the pipe shut?
| 1061 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:36:58pm |
re: #1059 Bagua
CRAW about to bite:
I'm sitting here expecting to hear "glug glug" sounds
I'm such a dip!
| 1062 |
Four More Tears Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:38:42pm |
re: #1061 sattv4u2
Keep watching. It'll happen soon enough. Trust me...
| 1063 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:39:08pm |
re: #1060 sattv4u2
Are they just attempting to cut prior to where it's blown out so they can have a nice clean place to put a cap, or are they trying to squeeze the pipe shut?
Yes, nip away at the Riser assembly to take the weight off, then get a nice clean cut right above the BOP with the Diamond Wire Saw.
| 1064 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:41:47pm |
re: #1058 Varek Raith
Brought to you by, The Random Paragraph Generator.
| 1065 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:42:36pm |
re: #1063 Bagua
Yes, nip away at the Riser assembly to take the weight off, then get a nice clean cut right above the BOP with the Diamond Wire Saw.
Not to second guess the pros here, but that seems like the 1st thing they should have tried
Hell, I do that with garden hoses that have a cut/ hole in them. Cut back to before the hole and place a new nozzle on the "good" part
| 1066 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:43:56pm |
re: #1065 sattv4u2
Not to second guess the pros here, but that seems like the 1st thing they should have tried
Hell, I do that with garden hoses that have a cut/ hole in them. Cut back to before the hole and place a new nozzle on the "good" part
Perhaps they were afraid that if the cap doesn't work, they now have a bigger leak because they cut it?
| 1067 |
Racer X Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:44:06pm |
| 1068 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:44:48pm |
re: #1036 HoosierHoops
I agree and they're the only running show I'll buy.
| 1069 |
Racer X Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:45:48pm |
re: #1065 sattv4u2
Not to second guess the pros here, but that seems like the 1st thing they should have tried
Hell, I do that with garden hoses that have a cut/ hole in them. Cut back to before the hole and place a new nozzle on the "good" part
With the water going full blast?
| 1070 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:46:48pm |
re: #1066 Varek Raith
Perhaps they were afraid that if the cap doesn't work, they now have a bigger leak because they cut it?
Maybe. But if the pipe is kablewwie already, there's nothing impeding the max escape of the oil at that point
For that matter, "top kill" (theoretically) may have worked better with a "clean" entrance place
| 1071 |
Racer X Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:46:49pm |
re: #1063 Bagua
Yes, nip away at the Riser assembly to take the weight off, then get a nice clean cut right above the BOP with the Diamond Wire Saw.
Why not just send down a large pair of vice-grips and pinch it shut?
| 1072 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:48:12pm |
re: #1070 sattv4u2
Maybe. But if the pipe is kablewwie already, there's nothing impeding the max escape of the oil at that point
For that matter, "top kill" (theoretically) may have worked better with a "clean" entrance place
I'm just throwing stuff out there. I have no clue about capping oil wells.
:)
| 1073 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:48:19pm |
re: #1030 JasonA
That's not what I said, though, and I'm not sure why you're saying it is. See my 859.
| 1074 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:49:09pm |
re: #1069 Racer X
With the water going full blast?
Good point, but it can be done. I've screwed on the hose nozzle while the water was running, and going back in my film memory data base, didn't John Wayne do that in Hell Fighters several times?
| 1075 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:49:51pm |
re: #1065 sattv4u2
Not to second guess the pros here, but that seems like the 1st thing they should have tried
Hell, I do that with garden hoses that have a cut/ hole in them. Cut back to before the hole and place a new nozzle on the "good" part
The problem is the pressure. The Big Containment dome proved useless, this next Mini-mi version is untested and the pressure will be greater. Possibly much greater.
Basically, they are taking a cup with a straw poked into it, and trying to capture the flow from a Fire-hose at full pressure. Only in this case the pressure is vastly higher. (A fire-hose is 100 to 300 psi, the well pressure at the riser is at least 2,600psi and possible much more.)
| 1076 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:51:17pm |
re: #1071 Racer X
Why not just send down a large pair of vice-grips and pinch it shut?
I'm guessing the pressure build up behind where the "pinch" would be would blow the pipe apart somewhere else
| 1077 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:51:57pm |
re: #1075 Bagua
Thanks
I pray something works to at least stem the leak until the relief wells are in place
| 1078 |
Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:56:35pm |
re: #1070 sattv4u2
Maybe. But if the pipe is kablewwie already, there's nothing impeding the max escape of the oil at that point
For that matter, "top kill" (theoretically) may have worked better with a "clean" entrance place
The entrance place needs to be at the base of the well, with 18,000 feet of hydrostatic pressure from two relief wells. A column of heavy liquid is needed to overcome the pressure.
Even then it is problematic with this well.
| 1079 |
Racer X Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:58:02pm |
re: #1076 sattv4u2
I'm guessing the pressure build up behind where the "pinch" would be would blow the pipe apart somewhere else
Interesting.
Are they trying to make a clean cut, then install a shut-off valve onto the clean cut pipe?
You could do that I guess by leaving the shut-off valve open, slide it onto the clean pipe, then secure the valve to the pipe with clamps, the turn the valve off. Like plumbers do.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 4:59:13pm |
re: #1076 sattv4u2
I'm guessing the pressure build up behind where the "pinch" would be would blow the pipe apart somewhere else
Yeah, DSaw is in a precarious position locked on to the Riser just below the baby leaks in the bend right on top of the BOP.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 5:01:44pm |
re: #1079 Racer X
Interesting.
Are they trying to make a clean cut, then install a shut-off valve onto the clean cut pipe?
You could do that I guess by leaving the shut-off valve open, slide it onto the clean pipe, then secure the valve to the pipe with clamps, the turn the valve off. Like plumbers do.
No, they want a clean cut to install a cap with some rubber gasket design to siphon away the oil and gas, essentially similar to the Riser Insertion Tube. Uses the same sized riser pipe as the RIT for example. It is just an outy version and the tube was an inny version.
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Racer X Tue, Jun 1, 2010 5:03:22pm |
re: #1082 Bagua
No, they want a clean cut to install a cap with some rubber gasket design to siphon away the oil and gas, essentially similar to the Riser Insertion Tube. Uses the same sized riser pipe as the RIT for example. It is just an outy version and the tube was an inny version.
Ahh. Better. Not going to shut it off - just run the pipe up to collect what is coming out. Less pressure on the remaining pipe.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 5:05:17pm |
re: #1079 Racer X
Here is a graphic of the Cap:
Image: Containment_Contingency_Option_large.jpg
but first they are doing this:
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Bagua Tue, Jun 1, 2010 5:10:01pm |
re: #1083 Racer X
Ahh. Better. Not going to shut it off - just run the pipe up to collect what is coming out. Less pressure on the remaining pipe.
They anounced they won't try to shut it off with another giant BOP valve today.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
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Morrisminor Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:16:54pm |
More simple minded theocon drivel to frighten the ignoramuses
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Sacred Plants Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:32:08am |
re: #326 Naso Tang
Do you pay the farmers for the crops you destroy? Just curious.
For environmentalist activism against genetic manipulation, it is self-evident to compensate the involved farmers with unpolluted seeds.
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