An international group of researchers has made a fascinating discovery in the Denisova cave in southern Siberia: a previously unknown human-like creature that coexisted with Neanderthals and homo sapiens in Eurasia, and interbred with us.
Click to enlargeMore at Spiegel Online: The Denisovan Code: Researchers Decipher DNA of Mysterious Human Ancestor.
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Kronocide Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:34:47am |
As interesting and fascinating as this is I wondered what the ‘Bananas Are Proof’ crowd thinks of this.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:35:14am |
Meanwhile, at the Discovery Institute…
“OK, Mandatory Staff meeting, how the hell do we bullshit our way out of this one?”
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:39:07am |
re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Meanwhile, at the Discovery Institute…
“OK, Mandatory Staff meeting, how the hell do we bullshit our way out of this one?”
Oh, they don’t need anything new. All the usual stupid shit can be applied to this.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:40:06am |
OK, how did the Denisovans get all the way from Siberia to New Guinea without mating with any other tribes?
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Kragar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:41:23am |
re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, they don’t need anything new. All the usual stupid shit can be applied to this.
a) Put their by God to trick us.
b) Scientific processes are unreliable
c) How can it be 30,000 years old when the Earth is only 5000 years old?
d) other
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Kronocide Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:42:04am |
re: #6 Alouette
OK, how did the Denisovans get all the way from Siberia to New Guinea without mating with any other tribes?
My first thought was that during Ice Age events sea level was lower and there were land bridges or waterways were smaller.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:44:59am |
re: #6 Alouette
OK, how did the Denisovans get all the way from Siberia to New Guinea without mating with any other tribes?
Who says they didn’t?
One possibility is a disease which wiped out most of them but New Guinea avoided due to geographic isolation.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:48:00am |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:48:10am |
An article yesterday showed a crude migration route map that left plenty of time for them to have hung out in SE Asia until the Melanesian got their canoeing skills together. The guys who made it to Papua wouldn’t look much like the guys in the Siberian caves.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:50:33am |
re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
To back up that reasoning, I cite this earlier theory about genetic variation and diseases in the Roman Empire.
Roman Empire ‘raised HIV threat’
In countries inside the borders of the empire for longer periods, such as Spain, Italy and Greece, the frequency of the CCR5-delta32 gene, which offers some protection against HIV, is between 0% and 6%.
Countries at the fringe of the empire, such as Germany, and modern England, the rate is between 8% and 11.8%, while in countries never conquered by Rome, the rate is greater than this.
However, the researchers do not believe that the genetic difference is due to Roman soldiers or officials breeding within the local population - history suggests this was not particularly widespread, and that invading and occupying armies could have been drawn not just from Italy but from other parts of the empire.
Instead, they say that the Romans may have introduced an unknown disease to which people with the CCR5-Delta32 variant were particularly susceptible.
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sagehen Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:51:04am |
How long until racists find a way to work this discovery into their so-called logic?
The clock starts… NOW!
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Burgher Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:53:40am |
Do I understand the article correctly? Does it propose that there were 3 distinct species of Homonids, Neanderthal, Hobit and Densiovian, with which our Homosapien ancestors interbread? If this is the case, it will blow the minds of creationists whos idea of human evolutionary theory is summed up by the old graphic that shows a lemur and passes through the sequecne of subspecies..
[Link: wilderdom.com…]
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Kronocide Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:54:32am |
re: #10 Obdicut
re: #8 BigPapa
Alternately, the boat-migration theory holds that rather than using land-bridge, stone-age migrations happened largely along waterways. Given the amazing skill of Polynesians in building sea-worthy craft with stone tools, I find it highly plausible.
It would be fascinating to see how far back boat making skills go, whether carving out canoes or more rudimentary rafts made of tied logs a la ‘Kon Tiki’ style.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:55:38am |
re: #15 BigPapa
Thor Heyerdahl may have been dead wrong about his theory of Egypt-to-America migration, but he totally reinvigorated the field nonetheless. I love those books.
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calochortus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:56:12am |
re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Meanwhile, at the Discovery Institute…
“OK, Mandatory Staff meeting, how the hell do we bullshit our way out of this one?”
There’s an ad at the top for “accuracyingenesis.com” so I’m guessing great minds are working on this. And I know that Google ads are not targeted particularly well…
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:56:33am |
re: #15 BigPapa
It would be fascinating to see how far back boat making skills go, whether carving out canoes or more rudimentary rafts made of tied logs a la ‘Kon Tiki’ style.
Looking at a good map shows a lot of “island-hopping” potential. Getting to the mid-Pacific was a lot harder.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:56:43am |
re: #15 BigPapa
It would be fascinating to see how far back boat making skills go, whether carving out canoes or more rudimentary rafts made of tied logs a la ‘Kon Tiki’ style.
Some circumstantial evidence points to as far back as 40,000 years ago, while conclusive evidence shows around 7,000 years
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:58:47am |
re: #19 Decatur Deb
You know about the testicular navigation, right?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:59:55am |
re: #21 Obdicut
You know about the testicular navigation, right?
Not unless you mean “Big Balls=Big Voyage”.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:00:50pm |
re: #22 Decatur Deb
There is a claim by at least one group of Polynesians that they navigate using their testicles— that by getting in the water and concentrating, they can feel the pressure waves passing through their testicles and use that information like echolocation to tell where land is.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:02:20pm |
re: #23 Obdicut
There is a claim by at least one group of Polynesians that they navigate using their testicles— that by getting in the water and concentrating, they can feel the pressure waves passing through their testicles and use that information like echolocation to tell where land is.
Sounds like they’re just screwing with the ethnologists again.
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Kronocide Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:03:24pm |
re: #23 Obdicut
There is a claim by at least one group of Polynesians that they navigate using their testicles— that by getting in the water and concentrating, they can feel the pressure waves passing through their testicles and use that information like echolocation to tell where land is.
Wow, I thought you were joking. I’ve never heard of that.
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wrenchwench Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:04:51pm |
re: #24 Decatur Deb
Sounds like they’re just screwing with the ethnologists again.
It’s a ballsy claim, all right.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:04:57pm |
re: #24 Decatur Deb
Well, the testicles are chock-full of nerves, and people have developed weirder abilities. But it is exactly the kind of thing I’d tell an ethnologist if I were a Polynesian dude.
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calochortus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:04:58pm |
re: #24 Decatur Deb
Or are trying to explain that only manly men can navigate. But I suspect its “screwing with the ethnologists” as you say.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:06:07pm |
re: #28 calochortus
It was their explanation of how they found new land— it is a rather big question, how the Polynesians managed to find all those islands out there in the middle of nothing. Getting to Hawaii was pretty incredible.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:06:26pm |
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calochortus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:07:53pm |
re: #29 Obdicut
Indeed it was, but they had generations of practice with smaller jumps. The way I learned it they studied winds, currents, cloud formation, birds, etc. Which is impressive enough without bringing testicles into it.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:09:29pm |
re: #29 Obdicut
It was their explanation of how they found new land— it is a rather big question, how the Polynesians managed to find all those islands out there in the middle of nothing. Getting to Hawaii was pretty incredible.
I could make up a theory about following pelagic creatures, but my guess is that a lot of them set out by accident and some didn’t get killed. There is a ceramic culture on the W coast of South America that almost certainly blew there from Japan. (Jomo?? Will check.)
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Kragar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:10:23pm |
re: #31 calochortus
Indeed it was, but they had generations of practice with smaller jumps. The way I learned it they studied winds, currents, cloud formation, birds, etc. Which is impressive enough without bringing testicles into it.
Everything is more impressive with testicles.
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wrenchwench Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:10:53pm |
Heck, a friend just volunteered to come and help me—now I have to clean up!
Gift horse, shut your mouth!
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calochortus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:12:13pm |
re: #33 Decatur Deb
I could make up a theory about following pelagic creatures, but my guess is that a lot of them set out by accident and some didn’t get killed. There is a ceramic culture on the W coast of South America that almost certainly blew there from Japan. (Jomo?? Will check.)
I’m sure many didn’t make it, but they did set out with whole families and plants, and animals so they were intending to found colonies.
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calochortus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:12:36pm |
re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Everything is more impressive with testicles.
I’ll have to take your word for that…
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:14:11pm |
re: #36 calochortus
I’m sure many didn’t make it, but they did set out with whole families and plants, and animals so they were intending to found colonies.
Or they came in second best in a local land war.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:15:34pm |
re: #33 Decatur Deb
I could make up a theory about following pelagic creatures, but my guess is that a lot of them set out by accident and some didn’t get killed. There is a ceramic culture on the W coast of South America that almost certainly blew there from Japan. (Jomo?? Will check.)
Jomon. Though I’m not sure this is the one. (Did MesoAmerica a long time ago.)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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mr.fusion Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:16:12pm |
re: #23 Obdicut
There is a claim by at least one group of Polynesians that they navigate using their testicles— that by getting in the water and concentrating, they can feel the pressure waves passing through their testicles and use that information like echolocation to tell where land is.
My one regret is that I have but one upding to give to this post
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ryannon Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:17:12pm |
“An international group of researchers has made a fascinating discovery in the Denisova cave in southern Siberia: a previously unknown human-like creature that coexisted with Neanderthals and homo sapiens in Eurasia, and interbred with us.”
LUAP NOR!
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:21:03pm |
re: #29 Obdicut
It was their explanation of how they found new land— it is a rather big question, how the Polynesians managed to find all those islands out there in the middle of nothing. Getting to Hawaii was pretty incredible.
I like this theory, but there’s a simpler explanation. Their cultures were chock full of cannibalism, and natural selection infused their testicles with a desire not to be appetizers. So they kept moving to new digs, the farther away the better.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:26:43pm |
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wrenchwench Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:26:57pm |
re: #32 lawhawk
I thought that was a kids’ show!???
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:27:49pm |
re: #44 Varek Raith
Hmm…The video keeps auto-playing…
Oops. Autoplay flag was set to true — it should be fixed now.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:28:40pm |
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:31:11pm |
i used to navigate with something located in that general area of my body, but not since i got married
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:31:54pm |
re: #43 goddamnedfrank
The question is how they found them, though.
There’s really three theories:
1. By sheer luck and mass of migration.
2. By using their panoply of skills, like noting the flights of birds, analyzing the flows of currents, and their knowledge of how clouds form differently over land than they do over the ocean.
3. By using some other skill that’s either been lost or degraded since the time of large migrations.
A lot of their migrations were not caused by fear of teh cannibals or warfare, but because they’d used up all the resources on the islands.
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calochortus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:36:06pm |
This is certainly educational-or something-but I need to go buy food for Christmas Eve dinner. Yum.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:36:14pm |
re: #50 Obdicut
The question is how they found them, though.
There’s really three theories:
1. By sheer luck and mass of migration.
2. By using their panoply of skills, like noting the flights of birds, analyzing the flows of currents, and their knowledge of how clouds form differently over land than they do over the ocean.
3. By using some other skill that’s either been lost or degraded since the time of large migrations.
A lot of their migrations were not caused by fear of teh cannibals or warfare, but because they’d used up all the resources on the islands.
/4. Aliens used to amuse themselves by dropping them off in strange places & then wagering on if they could find their way home…
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:36:40pm |
re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Meanwhile, at the Discovery Institute…
“OK, Mandatory Staff meeting, how the hell do we bullshit our way out of this one?”
[conservative “think” tank] publishes a study definitely proving that the denisovians were forced into extinction due to their high tax rates on top earners
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:37:53pm |
Hugh Hewit and Caroline Glick are joining Crazy Pam in calling for the release of convicted spy Johnathan Pollard. So much for wingnut patriotism.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:40:55pm |
Here’s a link to some pre-Columbian stuff, but the Chinese had some pretty ocean-capable ships by then. There seems to be a cottage industry of supposed Chinese discoveries. Needs the 24-year rule.
[Link: chinese-mexico.blogspot.com…]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:41:58pm |
re: #53 engineer dog
[conservative “think” tank] publishes a study definitely proving that the denisovians were forced into extinction due to their high tax rates on top earners
conservative drunk tank
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brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:42:27pm |
re: #55 Decatur Deb
Here’s a link to some pre-Columbian stuff, but the Chinese had some pretty ocean-capable ships by then. There seems to be a cottage industry of supposed Chinese discoveries. Needs the 24-year rule.
[Link: chinese-mexico.blogspot.com…]
24 year rule? It’s 18 here, what state do you live in?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:42:39pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Hugh Hewit and Caroline Glick are joining Crazy Pam in calling for the release of convicted spy Johnathan Pollard. So much for wingnut patriotism.
They’re all Pamela Geller now.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:43:58pm |
re: #57 brookly red
24 year rule? It’s 18 here, what state do you live in?
Did NYC go back to 18? It was when I was 18 there, but beer hadn’t been invented yet.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:44:45pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Hugh Hewit and Caroline Glick are joining Crazy Pam in calling for the release of convicted spy Johnathan Pollard. So much for wingnut patriotism.
I don’t know who Hewit is, but Glick and Geller don’t surprise me. Getting Pollard freed has been a cause in certain right-leaning circles for a long time.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:45:04pm |
re: #59 Decatur Deb
Did NYC go back to 18? It was when I was 18 there, but beer hadn’t been invented yet.
no it’s 21 to drink here… but I wasn’t talking bout drinkin.
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Ming Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:46:12pm |
I wonder if this newly-discovered human species passed on any genes to modern humans. It’s estimated that between 1% and 4% of the Eurasian human genome comes from Neanderthals. The human story is indeed fascinating.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:46:27pm |
I don’t care who you spy for.
Johnathan Pollard can remain in jail, thankyouverymuch.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:46:30pm |
re: #61 brookly red
no it’s 21 to drink here… but I wasn’t talking bout drinkin.
Oh. Wasn’t doin’ that either.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:48:21pm |
re: #62 Ming
I wonder if this newly-discovered human species passed on any genes to modern humans. It’s estimated that between 1% and 4% of the Eurasian human genome comes from Neanderthals. The human story is indeed fascinating.
Yesterday’s story said 4-6% in modern Melanesians. The whole thing is going to be pretty jumbled by the time it’s popularized.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:53:14pm |
just wait til Antarctica melts enough so that we can explore underneath the ice…there is no telling what sort of mind boggling stuff will be revealed….lost civilizations, new sorts of humanoids, unbelievable technologies that could save mankind from ourselves
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:54:12pm |
re: #66 albusteve
When it melts enough to explore, human civilization will already have been devastated so completely we wont’ be able to explore. We’ll be too busy desperately trying to survive as a species.
Yay.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:54:23pm |
re: #63 Varek Raith
I don’t care who you spy for.
Johnathan Pollard can remain in jail, thankyouverymuch.
he’s not on my radar either….I’m cold hearted
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:55:17pm |
re: #67 Obdicut
When it melts enough to explore, human civilization will already have been devastated so completely we wont’ be able to explore. We’ll be too busy desperately trying to survive as a species.
Yay.
maybe there is some sort of edible food stuffs down there….never give up hope
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brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:55:56pm |
re: #69 albusteve
maybe there is some sort of edible food stuffs down there…never give up hope
the original fish stix…
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:56:52pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:00:48pm |
About that “war on Christmas” story about kids being punished for handing out candy canes…..
Witnesses: Christmas Sweater Club Not So ‘Innocent’
“I think the administration lost its holiday spirit,” said Heather Williams, a mother of the of the boys in the club.
The boys say they were just handing out or gently tossing two inch, wrapped candy canes as students arrived at Battlefield one morning. And several boys who were there back them up.
But Abdus Khan, a senior, saw something different. “They had candy canes and they were chucking them,” he said. Khan said he saw a few people who had red marks on their faces where the small candy canes had hit them.
A few postings on our Facebook page describe a similar chaotic, and unfriendly scene. Khan said he heard a few of the boys shouting “Merry f——— Christmas”.
…
One boy in the club said an administrator told him that candy canes could be misconstrued as Christian symbols.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:02:27pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
About that “war on Christmas” story about kids being punished for handing out candy canes…
Witnesses: Christmas Sweater Club Not So ‘Innocent’
we used to file them into shanks…
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:03:40pm |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:05:37pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
The bullshit just never stops, so neither can we. (There would be no “Sweater Clubs” at our highschool—the admin is that frightened of anything that could masquerade gang activity.)
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brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:06:26pm |
re: #74 Killgore Trout
Stabby Christmas!
hey, a lump of coal in a stocking can turn the lights out too…
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Kronocide Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:07:19pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
About that “war on Christmas” story about kids being punished for handing out candy canes…
Witnesses: Christmas Sweater Club Not So ‘Innocent’
I recall winger memes of victimhood lobbies being foisted upon the sheeple by sinister leftist organizations.
Sounds like they’ve adopted those mendacious strategies!
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brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:08:07pm |
re: #77 BigPapa
I recall winger memes of victimhood lobbies being foisted upon the sheeple by sinister leftist organizations.
Sounds like they’ve adopted those mendacious strategies!
well it does seem to work…
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:13:15pm |
re: #78 brookly red
well it does seem to work…
It only really “works” when taken as far as today’s wingnuts. They have created a completely separate reality, revised history and completely dismissed science as a leftist plot. They’ve given up all sense of shame over their racism and extremist ideas. They believe conspiracies that are so insane they’re beyond parody.
In some sense they’ve gone so far off the rails that they’re beyond any meaningful criticism. I never tought it would go this far and it really bums me out. No amount of fact checking or ridicule is going to have any effect.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:14:58pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:16:13pm |
Has anyone mentioned yet how this creates yet more gaps?
/ /
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Kronocide Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:19:20pm |
re: #82 reine.de.tout
Has anyone mentioned yet how this creates yet more gaps?
/ /
Where are all the transitional fossils?
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brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:20:25pm |
re: #83 BigPapa
Where are all the transitional fossils?
I think they have adjourned till the new year…
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Kragar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:22:59pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:24:16pm |
Murder Ballads by Nick Cave is on the featured albums on the left there, AWESOME. it’s one of the greatest records, just an absolute depraved, evil masterpiece
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:25:13pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
Every year brings more and more stupid non-news at Christmas. Wheeee!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:27:04pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:27:15pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Hugh Hewit and Caroline Glick are joining Crazy Pam in calling for the release of convicted spy Johnathan Pollard. So much for wingnut patriotism.
Let me guess, they’ll clam right up once a Republican is in office
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:28:42pm |
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Kragar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:28:56pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:30:28pm |
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webevintage Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:31:25pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
About that “war on Christmas” story about kids being punished for handing out candy canes…
Witnesses: Christmas Sweater Club Not So ‘Innocent’
A few postings on our Facebook page describe a similar chaotic, and unfriendly scene. Khan said he heard a few of the boys shouting “Merry f—- Christmas”.
Of course there is always the “rest of the story”.
My favorite kind of “War on Christmas” story….
(and really, teenage boys with something that could be a “minor” projectile? Of course they lobed them hard at freshmen and other guys they don’t like.)
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:34:03pm |
re: #94 webevintage
Of course there is always the “rest of the story”.
My favorite kind of “War on Christmas” story…
(and really, teenage boys with something that could be a “minor” projectile? Of course they lobed them hard at freshmen and other guys they don’t like.)
ho ho ho hum
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:34:38pm |
And of course, we can’t do Christmas without some good, ole fashioned NSFW FEAR.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:34:56pm |
re: #91 WindUpBird
This is how I roll with my Christmas music
[Video]FEEL THAT!
feel what?…is there something to this I’m missing?
I am so uncool
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Kragar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:38:43pm |
Of course, nothing gets you in the Christmas spirit like
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:40:47pm |
re: #97 albusteve
feel what?…is there something to this I’m missing?
I am so uncool
Tom Lehr is so “was.” He was always stuck some where between a beat poet and a novelty song writer… a beat Alan Sherman.
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Batman Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:44:02pm |
From what I’ve read, this discovery is based on a fragment of a finger and a single molar. Of course, they DID successfully extract and analyze DNA and were able to compare it to ours and that of Neanderthal, but I can already predict the form of hands-over-ears creationists will take will be blasting science for not finding a whole skeleton, or more specifically — for when they do eventually find one — for not finding a living specimen.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:44:12pm |
re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:45:22pm |
re: #100 Walter L. Newton
Tom Lehr is so “was.” He was always stuck some where between a beat poet and a novelty song writer… a beat Alan Sherman.
stuck in Camp Granada?…I’m not hep I guess, there is just so much that I’m not interested in…like the Xmas slamfest…I refuse to get dragged into pop issues, other than to mock for a good laugh
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:50:18pm |
re: #101 nonsense
From what I’ve read, this discovery is based on a fragment of a finger and a single molar. Of course, they DID successfully extract and analyze DNA and were able to compare it to ours and that of Neanderthal, but I can already predict the form of hands-over-ears creationists will take will be blasting science for not finding a whole skeleton, or more specifically — for when they do eventually find one — for not finding a living specimen.
the only issue with creationism that is remotely important is how it is creeping into the schools…other than that, who gives a shit what some whackos think?..why even bother
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allegro Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:54:41pm |
re: #104 albusteve
the only issue with creationism that is remotely important is how it is creeping into the schools…other than that, who gives a shit what some whackos think?..why even bother
Because it isn’t just a few whackos. It’s something like 50% of the population that is buying into the terminally stupid.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:03:01pm |
re: #101 nonsense
From what I’ve read, this discovery is based on a fragment of a finger and a single molar. Of course, they DID successfully extract and analyze DNA and were able to compare it to ours and that of Neanderthal, but I can already predict the form of hands-over-ears creationists will take will be blasting science for not finding a whole skeleton, or more specifically — for when they do eventually find one — for not finding a living specimen.
For those folks, it’s all about the gaps in the fossil record. And this discovery, of course, now fills in one gap but in doing so, creates two more (one on each side of it). It’s never-ending, this fill-in-the gap business.
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Stan the Demanded Plan Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:05:27pm |
PHEW! Work is finito till Tuesday!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:08:26pm |
re: #105 allegro
Because it isn’t just a few whackos. It’s something like 50% of the population that is buying into the terminally stupid.
I think within that 50% there is a group of religious folks, usually Christian, who do believe the science of the evolutionary process, but who also think that “creationism” is ONLY about teaching about God.
I have two issues with those folks:
1. Teaching children about God (and faith) is a responsibility that belongs to parents, not the schools, and
2. Which creation story is it to be taught?
What I find among many of my friends is that they have not looked at the Discovery Institute and the Wedge Document and all the other stuff that’s discussed here frequently, and so all they hear is “get God back into the schools!”, and what they DON’T hear is how the DI and “family forum” folks propose to get it back into the schools and what it is that will be replaced by it. In other words, they have no clue about the Discovery Institute and its plan to basically eliminate the science of evolution from curricula, to be replaced with the DI’s version of God.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:12:28pm |
re: #109 reine.de.tout
It’s part of a general disengagement from parents in their kids education, as well, I feel. I mean, the misunderstandings about the curriculum and exactly what putting ‘god’ into the schools would mean in practical reality.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:14:53pm |
re: #14 Burgher
Do I understand the article correctly? Does it propose that there were 3 distinct species of Homonids, Neanderthal, Hobit and Densiovian, with which our Homosapien ancestors interbread?
One of the better discussions I’ve found of the Denisovian results is by John Hawks:
[Link: johnhawks.net…]
The small people of Flores are not listed as being part of the neanderthal/denisovan/sapiens interbreeding complex, that I’ve read anywhere.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:16:56pm |
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freetoken Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:17:19pm |
re: #62 Ming
I wonder if this newly-discovered human species passed on any genes to modern humans. It’s estimated that between 1% and 4% of the Eurasian human genome comes from Neanderthals. The human story is indeed fascinating.
Yes, that is part of the paper. (See my Hawks link above). PNG populations have some of the Denisovan genes.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:17:48pm |
re: #110 Obdicut
It’s part of a general disengagement from parents in their kids education, as well, I feel. I mean, the misunderstandings about the curriculum and exactly what putting ‘god’ into the schools would mean in practical reality.
Yes, I agree.
Part of it, I think, is that in certain areas, a school system is huge, and then there are “magnet schools”, and other schools with special programs, and so kids may not necessarily be going to the same school down the street that some of their neighbors are going to. When a parent has to drive across town to attend an event at a school - well, that’s a long way to drive, depending on time of day it might take 45 minutes to get from home to school and then another 45 from school back to home again. It makes it difficult for parents to stay engaged.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:18:08pm |
re: #112 Killgore Trout
“Made with no money, just a little time and a lot of passion.”
Friggin’ amazing.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:20:12pm |
re: #101 nonsense
There is a critique that has already surfaced (in Nature Precedings) that the mtDNA evidence is inconclusive. However, they doesn’t address the nucleic DNA that was also sequenced.
The different DNA give different indications, which will have to be resolved one way or another.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:21:59pm |
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:23:35pm |
re: #106 Slumbering Behemoth
Breathtaking. Thanks.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:24:08pm |
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:26:11pm |
re: #105 allegro
Because it isn’t just a few whackos. It’s something like 50% of the population that is buying into the terminally stupid.
and there is little to be done about it…someday the pendulum will swing another way…I won’t spend much time getting too shook up about something I have no control over
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:33:18pm |
re: #114 reine.de.tout
Yes, I agree.
Part of it, I think, is that in certain areas, a school system is huge, and then there are “magnet schools”, and other schools with special programs, and so kids may not necessarily be going to the same school down the street that some of their neighbors are going to. When a parent has to drive across town to attend an event at a school - well, that’s a long way to drive, depending on time of day it might take 45 minutes to get from home to school and then another 45 from school back to home again. It makes it difficult for parents to stay engaged.
maybe parents should plan ahead….another aspect of the breakdown of the family as we knew it…we had two kids and the schools were very close by….very Rockwellian…and there was little we didn’t know about, being totally engaged, life revolved around the kids and their schooling….it can be done
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:33:51pm |
Re: Repeal of DADT
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allegro Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:33:54pm |
re: #120 albusteve
and there is little to be done about it…someday the pendulum will swing another way…I won’t spend much time getting too shook up about something I have no control over
If we all don’t have a collective responsibility for the ignorance, or lack thereof, of the population of which we are a part, who does?
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Stan the Demanded Plan Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:34:20pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:34:29pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Hugh Hewit and Caroline Glick are joining Crazy Pam in calling for the release of convicted spy Johnathan Pollard. So much for wingnut patriotism.
Is there truth to the part where the sentence is longer than just about anything we’ve handed out to spies from more…errr…’adversarial’ nations?
And i was greatly disappointed to see Hugh offering links to Geller. I haven’t been to his website since the mid-2000’s when i used to read Powerline as well…it’s like finding out that an old friend has joined a cult. sad.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:34:33pm |
re: #110 Obdicut
It’s part of a general disengagement from parents in their kids education, as well, I feel. I mean, the misunderstandings about the curriculum and exactly what putting ‘god’ into the schools would mean in practical reality.
totally agree….parenting has evolved and I’m certain, not for the best
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:37:11pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:37:25pm |
re: #125 Aceofwhat?
If it’s part of a trade or to our advantage I have no problem with it. I do have an issue with releasing him just because he was giving intelligence to the Israelis. He was doing it for the money and probably didn’t really know who he was giving intelligence to. It could have been anybody. Traitor scumbag.
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:41:56pm |
re: #128 Killgore Trout
It’s people like him that make it risky for people to be dual Israeli-US citizens without having their patriotism for the US called into question.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:42:00pm |
re: #123 allegro
If we all don’t have a collective responsibility for the ignorance, or lack thereof, of the population of which we are a part, who does?
beats me…I don’t really want to be a part of any collective….if people want to disregard science, that’s their business…I’m trying to do the best with my own life…faith is a tough nut to crack
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:43:43pm |
re: #128 Killgore Trout
If it’s part of a trade or to our advantage I have no problem with it. I do have an issue with releasing him just because he was giving intelligence to the Israelis. He was doing it for the money and probably didn’t really know who he was giving intelligence to. It could have been anybody. Traitor scumbag.
Oh, yes. Agree completely with the bolded part. Thanks.
On an unrelated note, i’m about to attempt my first high-quality pan-seared scallops in about 45 minutes. High heat, oil/butter mixture, sea salt, and my full attention.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:44:48pm |
re: #131 Aceofwhat?
Oh, yes. Agree completely with the bolded part. Thanks.
On an unrelated note, i’m about to attempt my first high-quality pan-seared scallops in about 45 minutes. High heat, oil/butter mixture, sea salt, and my full attention.
We’ll send help if we don’t hear from ya!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:45:16pm |
re: #124 Stanley Sea
I just watched that! Perfect!
Wait, you mean he’s right? There really are gay people everywhere? Oh, the horror.
///
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freetoken Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:45:43pm |
re: #129 Obdicut
“Dual citizenship” is not something that is well founded in our society and international agreements. Though hardly a strong tribalist myself, I do think one has to accept belonging to one nation-state or another.
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brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:45:44pm |
re: #131 Aceofwhat?
Oh, yes. Agree completely with the bolded part. Thanks.
On an unrelated note, i’m about to attempt my first high-quality pan-seared scallops in about 45 minutes. High heat, oil/butter mixture, sea salt, and my full attention.
scallops are the bomb.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:46:03pm |
re: #131 Aceofwhat?
Oh, yes. Agree completely with the bolded part. Thanks.
On an unrelated note, i’m about to attempt my first high-quality pan-seared scallops in about 45 minutes. High heat, oil/butter mixture, sea salt, and my full attention.
mmm…free range or farmed?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:46:07pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:47:00pm |
re: #137 Aceofwhat?
you’ll send more scallops?
Giant ones.
To eat you.
You know, revenge and all that.
:P
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Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:47:28pm |
re: #134 freetoken
I don’t have any particular feelings on the subject one way or the other.
I should have just said that guys like him make it harder on all Jews, no matter their citizenship status, being suspected of having loyalties to Israel that go beyond their loyalties to the US.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:48:49pm |
re: #135 brookly red
scallops are the bomb.
oh yeah…barbecued jumbo shrimp, high quality crab cakes, maybe a chunk of swordfish off the grill
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:49:00pm |
re: #138 Varek Raith
Varek, if you haven’t seen this yet, you gotta watch it.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:50:15pm |
re: #136 albusteve
mmm…free range or farmed?
farmed. sorry - by ‘high-quality’ i mean ‘i told my dad i could pull it off’. he’s kind enough to forgive me if i screw it up, but it’ll probably cost me some of my catfish, and i’m hungry enough to eat all of my catfish.
the scallops themselves are not necessarily of high quality, but it’s my first attempt to simulate a hoity-toity restaurant-quality pan-searing.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:50:17pm |
re: #140 albusteve
I’ll take the swordfish, but y’all can keep them sea-bugs for yourselves.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:50:19pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:50:47pm |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ha! I was wondering if that would work. Only one way to find out!
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:51:05pm |
re: #129 Obdicut
It’s people like him that make it risky for people to be dual Israeli-US citizens without having their patriotism for the US called into question.
It also hands the antisemites a big propaganda victory.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:51:27pm |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wow, dude. I’m impress.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:51:44pm |
re: #140 albusteve
oh yeah…barbecued jumbo shrimp, high quality crab cakes, maybe a chunk of swordfish off the grill
it’s pan-seared scallops and grilled catfish tonight. my brother is grilling the catfish, and he’s good, so i feel like i gotta put in a good showing with the scallops.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:51:54pm |
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:51:59pm |
re: #134 freetoken
“Dual citizenship” is not something that is well founded in our society and international agreements. Though hardly a strong tribalist myself, I do think one has to accept belonging to one nation-state or another.
I’m glad my wife didn’t have to give up her Mexican citizenship when she became a US citizen. She’ll be able to buy land in Baja when we retire.
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William of Orange Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:52:20pm |
I think Wikileaks is about to unleash another bombshell.
Bank of America is acting funny lately. Since they were the ones who bought up Merrill Lynch, one of the great culprits in the house bubble scam, I’m very curious in what the bank actually knew before all hell broke loose. American tax payer dollars were needed to keep Bank of America afloat while the leadership sometimes walked away with millions. I bet Kenneth Lay (Enron) would be a little fish compared to these loons.
From C &L:
According to Domain Name Wire, the US bank has been aggressively registering domain names including its board of Directors’ and senior executives’ names followed by “sucks” and “blows”.For example, the company registered a number of domains for CEO Brian Moynihan: BrianMoynihanBlows.com, BrianMoynihanSucks.com, BrianTMoynihanBlows.com, and BrianTMoynihanSucks.com.
The wire report counted hundreds of such domain name registrations on 17 December alone. They were acquired through an intermediary that frequently registers domain names on behalf of large companies, says the report.
Bank of America has reputedly established a ‘war room’ to draw up strategy and rebutt [sic] allegations likely to emerge from the publication of thousands of internal documents by WikiLeaks.
However, this statement by Assange makes me feel a little uncomfortable.
“We don’t want the bank to suffer unless it’s called for,” Assange told The Times. “But if its management is operating in a responsive way there will be resignations,” he said, without giving details about the material.
That’s a slippery slope to hostage taking.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:52:39pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:53:00pm |
re: #131 Aceofwhat?
Oh, yes. Agree completely with the bolded part. Thanks.
On an unrelated note, i’m about to attempt my first high-quality pan-seared scallops in about 45 minutes. High heat, oil/butter mixture, sea salt, and my full attention.
Good luck. Here’s a tip that comes in handy: Pat the scallop dry with a paper towel first. If you don’t remove the excess moisture first that water goes into the pan, lowers the temp and boils the scallop.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:53:09pm |
re: #151 Mr Pancakes
I’m glad my wife didn’t have to give up her Mexican citizenship when she became a US citizen. She’ll be able to buy land in Baja when we retire.
one needs Mexican citizenship to purchase land in Mexico?
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:53:24pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:53:48pm |
re: #154 Killgore Trout
Good luck. Here’s a tip that comes in handy: Pat the scallop dry with a paper towel first. If you don’t remove the excess moisture first that water goes into the pan, lowers the temp and boils the scallop.
wow, thanks. that’s a step i hadn’t considered, but it makes perfect sense. greatly appreciated-
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freetoken Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:54:28pm |
re: #151 Mr Pancakes
There are many Americans who practice a sort of “dual citizenship”, but whenever I’ve looked into the subject it seems the laws (in this country) are muddled. For example, look at what the State department says about it when it comes to passports.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:54:37pm |
re: #154 Killgore Trout
I had pan seared tofu tonight with mixed veggies… oh gawd! It was good!
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Political Atheist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:54:40pm |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
New favorite!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:55:25pm |
The creepiest email I think I have ever received is the Family Research Council’s Christmas email. it just drips with the oil and pablum and sick of creepy social conservative bigots, but with the plastic smile over the top of it, like a Twin peaks episode, or the Black Hole Sun video. All stepford wives in megachurches poisoning you with cupcakes
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:55:36pm |
re: #158 Rightwingconspirator
They cook fast!
yep. i’ll check them at two minutes on the first side and then start touching them at 60sec after flipping them. i think that my chief obstacles are (1) making sure that i really do have the pan hot enough and (2) leaving them alone for that first two minutes so that they brown nicely on that first side.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:56:00pm |
re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I had pan seared tofu tonight with mixed veggies… oh gawd! It was good!
I have some mussels in the freezer. Maybe I’ll run out to the store for some miso and make some soup.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:56:09pm |
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freetoken Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:56:20pm |
Since we’re on human origins and evolution, one thing I noticed about the recent Gallup update to their long running poll is how many stories around the internet/news-outlets spin it in various ways. Lots of folk have a hard time with statistics.
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Stan the Demanded Plan Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:56:39pm |
re: #133 Slumbering Behemoth
Wait, you mean he’s right? There really are gay people everywhere? Oh, the horror.
///
Idiots. Bigoted idiots.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:56:57pm |
To us, the ancient story has a terribly modern ring. Powerful rulers determined to do anything to preserve their power — even promoting and funding the shedding of innocent blood. Earthly kings worshiped as gods. Peace proclaimed on high while violence stalks the streets. But out of all of this is the greatest message ever given to man: God is with us. The miracle is that He didn’t just come down from His heavenly home thousands of years ago. He comes today — to live with us, suffer with us, and- praise God — to save us.At the end of an overwhelming year, we can take comfort in the fact that this helpless baby, who came in relative obscurity, will soon return as a triumphant Savior that no one will miss! He won’t just be a King among kings- He will be the King of Kings and Lord of Lords! And unlike the men of this world, He will reign forever and ever! I pray that we all embrace the simplicity of the season and rejoice in the Love reborn each day. From everyone at FRC, we wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
from everyone at the Klan, to you and yours! Hallmark twinkles!
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:56:58pm |
re: #155 Aceofwhat?
one needs Mexican citizenship to purchase land in Mexico?
I could get a 99 year lease….. but not own, unless the laws have changed.
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Political Atheist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:57:25pm |
re: #163 Aceofwhat?
I cook with them regularly. Love the flavor. I’ll throw pasta in the pan I cooked em in and break the glaze with a little white wine or tequila.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:57:33pm |
I just checked the stalkers. All those outraged “conservatives” who flounced from LGF are now on a blog being run by Chen Zen the Progressive and Barret Brown the radical anarchist. Lemming idiots.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:57:50pm |
re: #159 freetoken
There are many Americans who practice a sort of “dual citizenship”, but whenever I’ve looked into the subject it seems the laws (in this country) are muddled. For example, look at what the State department says about it when it comes to passports.
Well the thing is Mexico doesn’t really care.
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Varek Raith Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:57:55pm |
re: #171 Killgore Trout
I just checked the stalkers. All those outraged “conservatives” who flounced from LGF are now on a blog being run by Chen Zen the Progressive and Barret Brown the radical anarchist. Lemming idiots.
Rofl…
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Stan the Demanded Plan Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:58:01pm |
re: #142 Aceofwhat?
farmed. sorry - by ‘high-quality’ i mean ‘i told my dad i could pull it off’. he’s kind enough to forgive me if i screw it up, but it’ll probably cost me some of my catfish, and i’m hungry enough to eat all of my catfish.
the scallops themselves are not necessarily of high quality, but it’s my first attempt to simulate a hoity-toity restaurant-quality pan-searing.
Top Chef. They always do scallops. It must be difficult. Good luck to you.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:58:02pm |
re: #143 Slumbering Behemoth
I’ll take the swordfish, but y’all can keep them sea-bugs for yourselves.
we used to go to a place in Jamaica called Frenchmans Cove, very exotic….the locals would come down everyday and set up for a three hour lunch…jerked lobster, baracuda, scallops, assorted roast fish…ice cold beer, cocktails and erb…all served right on the sand if you wanted….beyond cool, another level of coolness….the food was renouned…Frenchmans Cove, outside of Port Antonio
[Link: www.frenchmanscove.com…]
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:59:19pm |
re: #162 WindUpBird
The creepiest email I think I have ever received is the Family Research Council’s Christmas email. it just drips with the oil and pablum and sick of creepy social conservative bigots, but with the plastic smile over the top of it, like a Twin peaks episode, or the Black Hole Sun video. All stepford wives in megachurches poisoning you with cupcakes
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:59:33pm |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I’m totally stealing those stars to use later
★★★★YOU WANTED THE BEST YOU GOT THE BEST★★★★
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 2:59:54pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:00:34pm |
re: #171 Killgore Trout
I just checked the stalkers. All those outraged “conservatives” who flounced from LGF are now on a blog being run by Chen Zen the Progressive and Barret Brown the radical anarchist. Lemming idiots.
BB is trolling the shit out of those guys, it’s pretty funny
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:01:31pm |
re: #149 Aceofwhat?
it’s pan-seared scallops and grilled catfish tonight. my brother is grilling the catfish, and he’s good, so i feel like i gotta put in a good showing with the scallops.
catfish always reminds me of Louisiana….catfish, hush puppies and ice cold Abita
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Stan the Demanded Plan Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:01:33pm |
re: #175 albusteve
we used to go to a place in Jamaica called Frenchmans Cove, very exotic…the locals would come down everyday and set up for a three hour lunch…jerked lobster, baracuda, scallops, assorted roast fish…ice cold beer, cocktails and erb…all served right on the sand if you wanted…beyond cool, another level of coolness…the food was renouned…Frenchmans Cove, outside of Port Antonio
[Link: www.frenchmanscove.com…]
Jerked lobster. OMG. I wasn’t hungry 3 minutes ago.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:01:38pm |
re: #168 WindUpBird
“To us, the ancient story has a terribly modern ring. Powerful rulers determined to do anything to preserve their power — even promoting and funding the shedding of innocent blood.”
Wait, are they talking about the Koch brothers or the Discovery Institute here? I am so confused.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:02:39pm |
re: #163 Aceofwhat?
yep. i’ll check them at two minutes on the first side and then start touching them at 60sec after flipping them. i think that my chief obstacles are (1) making sure that i really do have the pan hot enough and (2) leaving them alone for that first two minutes so that they brown nicely on that first side.
I’d suggest testing one before you do the others. Google shows a lot of people saying two minutes on each side. That seems really long to me unless they are huge (2 -3 inch thick). I do mine usuually 30-45 seconds on each side.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:03:14pm |
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:04:28pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:05:37pm |
re: #171 Killgore Trout
I just checked the stalkers. All those outraged “conservatives” who flounced from LGF are now on a blog being run by Chen Zen the Progressive and Barret Brown the radical anarchist. Lemming idiots.
They’re the pathetic types that confuse “conservative” with “blind stupidity”.
The deserve whatever they get. Morons.
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Stan the Demanded Plan Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:05:39pm |
re: #185 Mr Pancakes
On the coast in Baja you do.
Concur. Otherwise you get a 99 year lease. Sticky situation, but the most beautiful undeveloped coast. That’s probably why it’s still undeveloped.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:06:07pm |
re: #178 WindUpBird
I want that wallsized
we should start an alt- version of fatheads.com. wall-sized posters of Brom art and glassy-eyed Stepford types…
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:06:12pm |
re: #169 Mr Pancakes
I could get a 99 year lease… but not own, unless the laws have changed.
it’s simple enough to establish residency, then own land…Mexican citizenship is very difficult if not impossible to garner….smell the irony?
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Kid A Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:06:34pm |
Time for a Mama Grizzly impersonation on this topic. Ahem, cough, cough…
“Well, us gun totin’, tobaccy chewin’, God-fearin’, REAL Americans, know that is just another example of the conspiracy formed by the atheist, non-God believin’, Euro-weenie lefties that keep pushin’ this theory of evolution or somethin’ down the throats of all the common-sense, constitutional conservatives, that, like me, can see Russia from our front porches. You betcha’ that the goodsy folksy types over there at the Heritage Foundation and the Hot Air are workin’ really hard to refudiate this nonsense.”
You betcha!
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:07:29pm |
re: #174 Stanley Sea
Top Chef. They always do scallops. It must be difficult. Good luck to you.
nah…it’s seafood…heat it and eat it
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:07:50pm |
re: #187 Stanley Sea
Concur. Otherwise you get a 99 year lease. Sticky situation, but the most beautiful undeveloped coast. That’s probably why it’s still undeveloped.
Baja has miles of still-undeveloped beach property, compared with a crowded coast across the border, Fair said. The peninsula of desert flatlands and mountains between the Pacific Ocean and Gulf of California stretches for 1,000 miles south from San Diego.
The five largest projects aimed at foreigners, including Butterfield’s Loreto Bay, will attract $5 billion of investment by developers and home buyers within 15 years, according to Mexico’s National Trust Fund for Tourism Development.
A two-bedroom villa near the beach can be purchased for $200,000. That compares with the $576,360 median price for a home in California in August, according to the California Association of Realtors. New residences range up to $4 million on more than an acre of waterfront land.
”The next 15 years are going to be an absolute second-home and retirement-home explosion in the Baja,” Fair said.
Demand is being fueled by U.S. residents flush with cash from rising stocks and a five-year surge in home values, said Mitch Creekmore, director of international development for Stewart Title Guaranty, which insures the ownership for $3 billion of property in Mexico.
Baby boomers, the 76 million Americans born from 1946 to 1964 who make up 29 percent of the U.S. population, stand to inherit more than $70 billion from their parents, and much of that will be spent on real estate, Creekmore said.
Buying a home in Mexico slowly became more similar to a U.S. transaction following the 1994 change in Mexican law to allow full foreign ownership through trust funds. Title insurance and third-party management of escrow followed, and now U.S. bank financing is more easily available, Creekmore said.
The trusts, which counter a constitutional ban on foreigners owning land near the coast or border, are created and owned by Mexican banks. The U.S. buyer is the beneficiary, with all rights to the property. The trusts last 50 years and are renewable.
”When we bought, there was nothing here — just stakes in the ground,” said Feenaughty, 64, at his two-story Spanish Colonial-style home. The property is protected with title insurance that would pay for lawyers to defend his ownership and reimburse any losses, he said.
Investors had problems in the past with poor record-keeping on land Mexico granted to farmers, leading to title disputes and fraud allegations. Many have vivid memories of October 2000, when Mexican police forced scores of Americans from their homes in the Baja community of Punta Banda after they lost a property dispute in court.
U.S. buyers still don’t have the same legal standing as Mexicans, who can buy coastal or border property without using a trust fund.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:09:03pm |
re: #189 albusteve
it’s simple enough to establish residency, then own land…Mexican citizenship is very difficult if not impossible to garner…smell the irony?
Steve…. I lived in Mexico for years, I was never able to buy land.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:09:47pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:10:25pm |
hahah I think this blog needs a real estate side blog
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freetoken Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:11:28pm |
re: #195 albusteve
citizenship?…to invest in land?
Many nations require citizens-only to be land title holders.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:12:26pm |
re: #193 Mr Pancakes
Steve… I lived in Mexico for years, I was never able to buy land.
my bad…I thought residency was relatively easily established…citizenship is another matter
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:14:12pm |
re: #174 Stanley Sea
Top Chef. They always do scallops. It must be difficult. Good luck to you.
Yeah, Ramsey is always throwing them at someone on Hell’s Kitchen. I’m looking forward to seeing if i can pull it off!
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:14:23pm |
re: #195 albusteve
citizenship?…to invest in land?
I was a legal resident working in Mexico for 6 years with an FM-3 (green card).
I’m not sure about the mega corporation investment stuff and all that goes with that….. I’m just talking about a gringo who wants to settle down on a small patch of land and watch the “green flash” over the water at sunset.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:16:21pm |
re: #199 albusteve
my bad…I thought residency was relatively easily established…citizenship is another matter
No prob……. Mexico is very stringent when it comes to foreign land ownership….. it goes back to the Mexican American war …. they still are holding a grudge.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:17:23pm |
re: #200 Aceofwhat?
Yeah, Ramsey is always throwing them at someone on Hell’s Kitchen. I’m looking forward to seeing if i can pull it off!
Oh, I’d be willing to bet you would be able to throw them at somebody.
Now, whether you really want to do that is another question entirely.
I vote for going with your original plan and cooking them.
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Stan the Demanded Plan Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:17:25pm |
re: #201 Mr Pancakes
I was a legal resident working in Mexico for 6 years with an FM-3 (green card).
I’m not sure about the mega corporation investment stuff and all that goes with that… I’m just talking about a gringo who wants to settle down on a small patch of land and watch the “green flash” over the water at sunset.
Friends of mine retired there. Lived in a pretty gringo mobile home park on the water in Ensenada. Actually was pretty fancy. They loved it there, fished, kayaked every day.
But when the housing got a lot cheaper here in SD, they bought and moved back…
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:20:44pm |
re: #201 Mr Pancakes
I was a legal resident working in Mexico for 6 years with an FM-3 (green card).
I’m not sure about the mega corporation investment stuff and all that goes with that… I’m just talking about a gringo who wants to settle down on a small patch of land and watch the “green flash” over the water at sunset.
dig that…what a life…I own a 6 acre hilltop overlooking the sea down in Jamaica…1000ft above the beach, with a killer view
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Stan the Demanded Plan Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:22:09pm |
re: #205 albusteve
dig that…what a life…I own a 6 acre hilltop overlooking the sea down in Jamaica…1000ft above the beach, with a killer view
When the hell are you going back?
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:24:07pm |
re: #204 Stanley Sea
Friends of mine retired there. Lived in a pretty gringo mobile home park on the water in Ensenada. Actually was pretty fancy. They loved it there, fished, kayaked every day.
But when the housing got a lot cheaper here in SD, they bought and moved back…
I doubt if I would come back…. but….. Even though my life was wonderful in Mexico on the beach…. I always longed for the US deep down.
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:25:04pm |
re: #206 Stanley Sea
When the hell are you going back?
when I get a new leg, I hope…I’ve been stuck in medical limbo for almost 2 1/2 years now
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:25:15pm |
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albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:25:43pm |
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Stan the Demanded Plan Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:26:21pm |
re: #208 albusteve
when I get a new leg, I hope…I’ve been stuck in medical limbo for almost 2 1/2 years now
I will enjoy the day when I read your post from Jamaica.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:26:42pm |
re: #208 albusteve
when I get a new leg, I hope…I’ve been stuck in medical limbo for almost 2 1/2 years now
Medical smedical! Tell em to Fed-Ex your leg.
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