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As far back as Yossarian could recall, he explained to Clevinger with a patient smile, somebody was always hatching a plot to kill him. There were people who cared for him and people who didn’t, and those who didn’t hated him and were out to get him. They hated him because he was Assyrian. But they couldn’t touch him, he told Clevinger, because he was Tarzan, Mandrake, Flash Gordon. He was Bill Shakespeare. He was Cain, Ulysses, the Flying Dutchman; he was Lot in Sodom, Deirdre of the Sorrows, Sweeney in the nightingales among trees. He was miracle ingredient Z-247. He was –

“Crazy!” Clevinger interrupted, shrieking. “That’s what you are! Crazy!”

— Joseph Heller, Catch-22

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1 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:19:03pm

Breitbart.

2 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:20:40pm

is

3 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:21:29pm

Alinksy!

4 Kragar  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:22:27pm

Drink

5 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:23:21pm

What are you serving?

6 Kragar  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:29:30pm

Been watching the first 2 Hellraiser movies and just realized that the headlining villians only actually kill 1 guy between the 2 movies.

7 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:39:52pm

India's Free Lunch

Youtube Video

Since 2001 all Indian primary schools have provided pupils with a free midday meal. Seven years on truancy rates have been slashed, and child health is soaring. Western governments are taking note.

OMG! Socialism!

8 Kragar  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:54:00pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

India's Free Lunch

[Video]


OMG! Socialism!

Feeding kids is a commie plot. If the parents could keep their money, they could home school them and afford to feed them according to God's plan.

///

9 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:57:25pm

Climate change to continue to the year 3000 in best case scenarios

10 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:00:35am

re: #9 BigPapa

Climate change to continue to the year 3000 in best case scenarios

My bet is beyond even that. The earth's climate has shifted many times already and no reason exists for it to stop. We can either adapt to it or be wiped out.

11 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:01:55am

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Feeding kids is a commie plot. If the parents could keep their money, they could home school them and afford to feed them according to God's plan.

///

We should be teaching our kids to speak Hindi. We're going to be maintaining customer support call centers for them soon. "hello, my name is Joe Gupta from Dallas. How's the weather in Mumbai and how can I help you today?"

12 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:11:05am

re: #11 Killgore Trout

ROFL

I never got why they assign them random generic american names as if somehow you aren't going to notice the thick Indian accent.

13 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:12:30am

re: #12 Fozzie Bear

Maybe the just assume most Americans are so unaware of the outside world that they can't pronounce anything besides Bob and Sally.

14 freetoken  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:24:47am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Not only is it a commie plot, but did you catch where a court ordered that food had to be provided!

That's how the commies work - first they take over the courts.

15 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:32:08am

re: #14 freetoken

Not only is it a commie plot, but did you catch where a court ordered that food had to be provided!

That's how the commies work - first they take over the courts.

Then they take over the kids with lunches. The feeding of children is destroying Satan.

16 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:35:48am

I'm Following Breitbart and Kos on Twitter: quite the juxtaposition. Both are prolific but Kos is really pumping them out.

17 mohamed.o  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:36:24am

Awesome book! Happen to be just 30 pages shy of finishing it.

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:40:10am

re: #12 Fozzie Bear

ROFL

I never got why they assign them random generic american names as if somehow you aren't going to notice the thick Indian accent.

Sometimes not all that generic. I once spent a couple of hours on tech support with a very nice young man who told me his name was "Constantine".

19 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:46:26am

And I bet the Indian kids don't get a free toy with their meal, either...

20 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:14:17am

Go ahead, enable Java. You know you want to.
[Link: palinherpderp.ytmnd.com...]

21 EdDantes  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:09:18am

I just got here so I know I didn't kill this thread

22 boxhead  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:29:31am

re: #21 EdDantes

I just got here so I know I didn't kill this thread

usually it is me, but I did not post yet either.... but maybe it was cause I was looking at it... :)

23 freetoken  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:30:43am

Not surprisingly:

Very Conservative Americans: Leaders Should Stick to Beliefs

A majority of very conservative Americans believe political leaders in Washington should stick to their beliefs even if little is accomplished, while all other groups, particularly moderates and liberals, are more amenable to compromise for the sake of getting things done.

These data are from an aggregate of 2,039 interviews with national adults from two recent Gallup surveys -- the first conducted Nov. 4-7, 2010, and the second, Jan. 7-10, 2011. Response patterns to this question were similar in both surveys.

[...]

The Chart

It is not surprising at all that the ideologues reject notions of compromise.

Just more evidence of what will be driving the GOP.

24 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:42:31am

Many people are uncomfortable with pragmatists, they see it as a character flaw and seem to prefer voring those who are sincere in their beliefs, even if they are not in full agreement.

25 freetoken  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:46:51am

The Peanuts!

MP3 Audio
26 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:46:52am

re: #24 ralphieboy

Many people are uncomfortable with pragmatists, they see it as a character flaw and seem to prefer voring those who are sincere in their beliefs, even if they are not in full agreement.

Que "voring"?

27 EdDantes  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:47:03am

As a conservative, I'm more in line with Reagan who believed it was important to compromise. If you are inflexible, you get nothing done and everyone suffers.

28 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:49:18am

re: #23 freetoken

A majority of very conservative Americans

How does "very" conservative Americans translate to what will be driving the GOP

When was the last time the GOP ran a "very" conservative candidate for President?

29 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:50:38am

re: #25 freetoken

The Peanuts!


[Video]

THE Peanuts!!

Youtube Video
30 freetoken  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:02:55am

re: #29 sattv4u2

Shultz avoided use of the definite article, just calling his creation "Peanuts".

"The Peanuts" started performing a few years after Shultz's strip started in the US, but performed only in Japan at first. Because of the definite article being part of the name there does not appear to have been a conflict.

31 EdDantes  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:04:22am

I like Snoopy because he is a fightin' man.

Youtube Video
32 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:05:06am

re: #26 sattv4u2

Que "voring"?

voting for

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:05:55am

re: #27 EdDantes

As a conservative, I'm more in line with Reagan who believed it was important to compromise. If you are inflexible, you get nothing done and everyone suffers.

RINO!!! You have just had a "surveyor's mark" placed on your disctrict for the next primary.

/

34 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:07:52am

re: #30 freetoken

Shultz avoided use of the definite article, just calling his creation "Peanuts".

"The Peanuts" started performing a few years after Shultz's strip started in the US, but performed only in Japan at first. Because of the definite article being part of the name there does not appear to have been a conflict.

I'm fully aware of that

THE was my input

35 EdDantes  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:08:04am

re: #32 ralphieboy

Voring Delenda Est!

36 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:08:26am

re: #32 ralphieboy

voting for

Thanks
Thought that may have been it, but just wanted to confirm

37 boxhead  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:11:34am

re: #27 EdDantes

As a conservative, I'm more in line with Reagan who believed it was important to compromise. If you are inflexible, you get nothing done and everyone suffers.

I don't think Reagan would be embraced by the GOP of today... :(

38 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:12:08am

Good Morning Lizards.

I have 3 in school and happily pay for lunch for 2 of them. My 12 year old with autism is a little finicky, so he takes his lunch. I couldn't make the other two a good lunch for what the schools charge. It's a bargain.

DC was robbed on the snow last night. Turned in to a lame light dusting again. So here I am at work.

39 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:13:12am

Anyone know how or where to see the slideshow referenced in this article?

40 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:13:47am

re: #33 ralphieboy

RINO!!! You have just had a "surveyor's mark" placed on your disctrict for the next primary.

/


Don't make me aim my uh, whatever a surveyor makes a surveyor's mark with thing at you!!!
//

41 EdDantes  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:14:09am

re: #33 ralphieboy

RINO!!! You have just had a "surveyor's mark" placed on your disctrict for the next primary.

/

More conservatives should look to Reagan. During his tenure I had my disagreements with his policies but I think some Republicans are clinging to an idealization of his presidency that didn't exist.

42 freetoken  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:16:51am

re: #39 000G

No, and the Google cache doesn't have them either.

43 freetoken  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:17:54am

re: #41 EdDantes

... some Republicans are clinging to an idealization of his presidency that didn't exist.

No kidding. That came out in the latest START treaty issue.

44 EdDantes  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:20:00am

re: #37 boxhead

I don't think Reagan would be embraced by the GOP of today... :(

Perhaps not. I recognized his political Genius in 1976 but that was a long time ago. Since then a new generation of voters have sprung up raised on MTV, Miami Vice and speed. Perspective is everything. All three major parties are involved in a poltitical speed-dating process.

45 boxhead  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:21:14am

re: #41 EdDantes

More conservatives should look to Reagan. During his tenure I had my disagreements with his policies but I think some Republicans are clinging to an idealization of his presidency that didn't exist.

Some? He is practically a saint in GOP world. And VERY few would be able to accurately describe his tenure.

46 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:22:55am

re: #44 EdDantes

But the oldest generation of voters-- those sixty-five and above-- are actually the worst-informed. They're more likely to buy into the scaremongering about death-panels, Obama taking guns, FEMA camps, etc.

47 boxhead  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:23:08am

re: #44 EdDantes

All three major parties are involved in a poltitical speed-dating process.

speed dating is the funniest stuff.... LOL.... never did it, but the concept is hilarious.... and great description of our politics.... but that is not funny.. just sad

48 boxhead  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:24:09am

re: #46 Obdicut

But the oldest generation of voters-- those sixty-five and above-- are actually the worst-informed. They're more likely to buy into the scaremongering about death-panels, Obama taking guns, FEMA camps, etc.

and watch FOX.... too many of my friends and family fit that description..

49 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:27:26am

re: #45 boxhead

Some? He is practically a saint in GOP world. And VERY few would be able to accurately describe his tenure.


They still believe that he shrank the Federal government and quietly ignore the fact that Nancy Reagan consulted an astrologer to plan Ronnie's schedule for him...

50 EdDantes  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:28:13am

re: #38 rwdflynavy

God bless you.

51 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:28:21am

re: #42 freetoken

No, and the Google cache doesn't have them either.

Darn it. Oh well.

52 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:31:22am

re: #50 EdDantes

God bless you.

He really has Ed. My 12 year old is a great kid!

53 boxhead  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:31:23am

re: #49 ralphieboy

They still believe that he shrank the Federal government and quietly ignore the fact that Nancy Reagan consulted an astrologer to plan Ronnie's schedule for him...

lol... yep... and he grew the Fed gov.... and signed into law amnesty, and grew the deficit. but the latter made USSR fall.... or so it is written....

the whole Ouija board thing was scary.... not what you want to learn about a man with the button..

54 EdDantes  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:33:47am

re: #49 ralphieboy

I'm a supporter of Reagan and I know he did not shrink the federal government and I know that the first lady consulted an astrologer to plan his
schedule.

55 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:34:30am

re: #38 rwdflynavy

DC was robbed on the snow last night. Turned in to a lame light dusting again. So here I am at work.
Atlanta WASN"T robbed of snow Sunday night/ Monday morning

I cautiously drove into work Monday afternoon

I'm still here !! The roads are an icy mess. Many major highways closed for long stretches, and those are the ones the DOT works on, not the "side roads"!

Scholls have been closed every day this week, most businesses (as I was coming in Monday I was going to stop at a Wal Mart for provisions and that was closed

We had no mail delivery,,, FED Ex and UPS aren't running much either

56 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:36:21am

re: #55 sattv4u2

Scholls = Schools

57 boxhead  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:36:45am

re: #54 EdDantes

I'm a supporter of Reagan and I know he did not shrink the federal government and I know that the first lady consulted an astrologer to plan his
schedule.

I liked his fire, I liked his commitment, but I loath what the GOP of today has made him. He was a California moderate, not Saint Tea Bagger...

58 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:37:15am

re: #54 EdDantes

I'm a supporter of Reagan and I know he did not shrink the federal government and I know that the first lady consulted an astrologer to plan his
schedule.


and you are probably in the minority...

59 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:39:38am

re: #58 ralphieboy

and you are probably in the minority...

Not in this "room"

I was aware of his foibles, but he was a far sight better than his immediate predecessor and better than those that followed imho

60 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:41:01am

Here's a sobering though:

Attempts to cut wasteful spending can wind up being wasteful spending

Now, I think there's probably more fraud and waste to be discovered than was; but obviously, at some point it costs more money to discover it than you save by getting rid of it.

And many, many cuts to government services wind up costing more money down the road. This is something I desperately wish people would understand. If you cut money for roof-repair, you're going to lose more money than you saved on water damage.

61 EdDantes  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:41:16am

re: #52 rwdflynavy

I 'm sure he is and he is fortunate to have great parents. That makes a difference. I have three children so don't make me tear up. Too late.

62 researchok  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:41:48am

Morning, all

63 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:42:02am

re: #62 researchok

Morning, all

sez you!

64 researchok  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:42:19am

re: #63 sattv4u2

sez you!

Pretty much

65 boxhead  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:42:55am

re: #59 sattv4u2

Not in this "room"

I was aware of his foibles, but he was a far sight better than his immediate predecessor and better than those that followed imho

The deregulation of media outlets was a travesty... We suffer greatly because of it and it is doubtful that genie will every be put back in the bottle.

66 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:43:28am

Heh. From twitter:

Breaking: @AndrewBreitbart exposes Jared Lee Loughner as black woman #p2 #tcot

67 boxhead  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:43:30am

re: #65 boxhead

The deregulation of media outlets was a travesty... We suffer greatly because of it and it is doubtful that genie will every be put back in the bottle.

wait... that was him right... arrr it was bubba lol.. ignore the beer infused post

68 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:45:36am

re: #59 sattv4u2

Not in this "room"

I was aware of his foibles, but he was a far sight better than his immediate predecessor and better than those that followed imho


He was what the country was looking and longing for at the time. He was certainly a better president than the first Bush, or even she second for that matter.

69 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:45:41am

re: #67 boxhead

Solution is either sleep or more beer.

70 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:46:32am

re: #68 ralphieboy

I dunno. I'm looking back on the first Bush with a lot of fondness now, compared to the modern GOP. What do you feel he failed on? Aside from winning re-election?

71 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:46:37am

re: #60 Obdicut


The financial crisis is an example of how cutting government regulation wound up costing us all a lot of money.

72 boxhead  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:47:07am

re: #60 Obdicut

Here's a sobering though:

Attempts to cut wasteful spending can wind up being wasteful spending

Now, I think there's probably more fraud and waste to be discovered than was; but obviously, at some point it costs more money to discover it than you save by getting rid of it.

And many, many cuts to government services wind up costing more money down the road. This is something I desperately wish people would understand. If you cut money for roof-repair, you're going to lose more money than you saved on water damage.

much like not investing in our Country's infrastructure will cost us more later. Much like not having universal health care does cost us more do to the high cost of emergency room visits., etc, etc

73 boxhead  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:47:54am

re: #69 Obdicut

Solution is either sleep or more beer.

beer then sleep..... nite all!!!!!

74 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:48:19am

re: #70 Obdicut

I dunno. I'm looking back on the first Bush with a lot of fondness now, compared to the modern GOP. What do you feel he failed on? Aside from winning re-election?


Inability to cut a budget deal for starters, but compared to the modern GOP he is still admirable...

75 steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:50:16am

Ya gotta love them Dem's...


Dem Congressman who called for GOP Gov. to be put against a wall and shot now pleads for civility


[Link: washingtonexaminer.com...]

76 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:51:47am

re: #75 steve

Why do you say 'Those Dems' when talking about a single guy? Why do you call him a congressman when he's an ex-congressman?

That guy's an asshole. His comment was fucking awful. He lost his race, and now he's whining from the sidelines, trying to get back in on the action.

77 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:52:12am

If you recall, Sherrif Dupnik of Pima County did not name names or parties, he just called for civility in political rhetoric. But look at who is frothing at the mouth and calling for his removal...

78 steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:54:36am

re: #76 Obdicut

Why do you say 'Those Dems' when talking about a single guy? Why do you call him a congressman when he's an ex-congressman?

That guy's an asshole. His comment was fucking awful. He lost his race, and now he's whining from the sidelines, trying to get back in on the action.

why not? Lets just paint everybody with a broad brush stroke. What goes around, comes around! (don't take it seriously just some late morning humor and I have been up since noon on the 11th.)

79 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:55:33am

re: #78 steve

Lame as hell.

Go get some sleep.

I feel like one of the last guys up at a party, now. Except i just woke up.

80 steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:56:16am

re: #79 Obdicut

Lame as hell.

Go get some sleep.

I feel like one of the last guys up at a party, now. Except i just woke up.

I will but it will be closer to 0630 when I get home from work.

81 freetoken  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:00:29am

Regarding Reagan, GHWB, etc. - I'm coming to the opinion that our (the US) outlandish material wealth since WWII, and grossly out-sized international control since that time, has given us so much leeway in making decisions that even the multitude of poor decisions by numerous leaders (in both the executive and legislative branches of government) have been softened in their impact.

However, we are finally reaching a point post-WWII and post-Bretton Woods that we no longer have that luxury.

Our foolishness and nearsightedness will now increasingly be felt, manifested as changes in lifestyles and expectations.

82 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:02:50am

re: #55 sattv4u2

heh,,, btw ,,, what is usually a one hour/ fifteen (or so) minute drive to or from work took just shy of three hours on Monday

Ahhh ,, the south and snow/ ice

Mixes like oil and water!

83 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:04:32am

re: #81 freetoken

It really, really, really annoyed me when Obama suggested that people might change their lifestyles to be less wasteful and consume less, and was met with mad, blinkered rage at that suggestion.

It's a suggestion that my Depression era grandparents said every day. It's a suggestion of being responsible, of considering that you're not the only person on the earth, and that there's not an infinite amount of stuff available. It's common sense.

84 researchok  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:06:45am

re: #81 freetoken

Regarding Reagan, GHWB, etc. - I'm coming to the opinion that our (the US) outlandish material wealth since WWII, and grossly out-sized international control since that time, has given us so much leeway in making decisions that even the multitude of poor decisions by numerous leaders (in both the executive and legislative branches of government) have been softened in their impact.

However, we are finally reaching a point post-WWII and post-Bretton Woods that we no longer have that luxury.

Our foolishness and nearsightedness will now increasingly be felt, manifested as changes in lifestyles and expectations.

It has been my experience that government would rather pay to fix a problem than actually prevent one.

When you fix a problem, there is a 'hero' introduced into the mix.

In acknowledging a problem, a deficiency is introduced into the mix.

This phenomena is decades old. It exists because there is a seemingly endless supply of money.

85 freetoken  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:06:56am

re: #83 Obdicut

Even more so, when Obama dared to suggest that Las Vegas wasn't the epitome for what we should be striving - the outrage, oh, the outrage.

86 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:07:15am

re: #81 freetoken

The 1990's will be seen as America's Golden Age because there was no other world power that could begin to compete. But other nations are moving to fill the vacuum and will be ruthless in doing so.

87 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:07:46am

re: #84 researchok

This phenomena is decades old. It exists because there is a seemingly endless supply of money. problem creators

ftfy

/

:)

88 freetoken  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:08:03am

re: #84 researchok

Prophylaxis has never been a human strength.

89 researchok  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:10:16am

re: #88 freetoken

Prophylaxis has never been a human strength.

Absolutely true.

Worse, the behavior filters down.

'If only I had a bigger car, house, etc,. I'm entitled to buy my happiness'.

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:12:06am

re: #77 ralphieboy

In Jr. High School there was a group of girls who would sit in the room and talk, and the teacher would say, "Who's talking?" and (of course) no one would fess up.

Then the teacher would say, "Well, whoever it was talking, their momma don't know how to raise they kids and they ain't got no home-trainin'."
(I swear, she said it just like that)

One of the girls in the group would jump up and say, "I wasn't talkin'. And don't you be talkin' 'bout my momma!".

Seems that the same tactic worked for the sheriff.

91 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:12:57am

re: #88 freetoken

Prophylaxis has never been a human strength.

A lot of it comes from the basic misunderstanding of statistics that most people have.

"Hey, that's only got a one in a thousand chance of happening, it'll be fine!"

92 freetoken  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:13:24am
MP3 Audio
93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:14:03am

My livelihood depends upon consumerism. Y'all can shut the fuck up.
/

94 Steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:14:05am

What I have found is that easy wealth will ultimately create more problems then wealth that has to be earned through hard work.

95 EdDantes  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:15:39am

re: #83 Obdicut

And how has President Obama altered his lifestyle since he took office? I do not begrudge a President taking advantage of his perks, but to lecture the rest of us seems hipocritcal.

96 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:16:47am

re: #93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My livelihood depends upon consumerism. Y'all can shut the fuck up.
/

Speaking of which

Kitchen Cabinets ,,, replace, or reface

(we have oak in the kitchen and want to keep them oak ,, tried to sell Wifey on new cherry ones but then we'd also probably have to replace the appliances)

97 Steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:17:32am

gotta run and finish my last rounds. All of you have a wonderful day and those of you in the snow and ice....Take it easy and slow and be safe.

Steve
Never scratch a tiger with a short stick!

98 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:19:55am

re: #95 EdDantes

It'd only be hypocrisy if we were all presidents. We're not. Unless you can point out ways that Obama himself is being terribly wasteful, then I really don't see your point. Obama didn't tell people to do without and engage in a monastic lifestyle, he asked them to consider whether what they were doing was actually necessary.

As the president, he's got a lot more responsibilities and a lot more to do. It's silly to attack him for using resources in a resource-intensive job.

99 freetoken  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:20:43am

I'll leave you with one more foreign rarity, the sweet Lotus Liew:

MP3 Audio
100 Tigger2005  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:21:14am

Oh brother (literally). If you check my posts on the previous thread you'll find that I quoted my brother's reply to my message on Facebook, announcing I was sick of violent right-wing rhetoric and that I was done with the Republican Party until they loudly and clearly denounced it (actually I'm done with them for other reasons as well, but that will do for starters). Here's his latest reply:

The fact that the Congresswoman was a Jewish Democrat is evidence of squat. This guys political views were all over the place.
Keep looking under rocks for hate speech and violence on the right little brother. I can see the tactics of calli...ng everyone a racist and violent extremists is working to distract from the real message.
By the way, Nazi's were socialists by definition. Advocating for totalitarian control of industry, education and healthcare makes you a leftist, socialist, communist, statist. It's all varying degrees of the same thing.. Hitler's nasty habit of cooking people into casseroles and invading other countries is the only reason he is not revered on the left.

101 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:24:49am

re: #100 Tigger2005

Sheesh. He just handily redefined all totalitarianism as socialism.

I'm sorry, dude. I can't imagine my brothers being that off-the-wall. I wouldn't know how to handle it.

Also, as a Jew, saying 'cooking people into casseroles' is really fucking disrespectful to the dead. It's kind of luridly stupid.

102 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:25:23am

re: #37 boxhead

Not only would they not embrace Reagan, but they would also track down and kill jesus if he appeared on earth this afternoon! :D

103 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:26:23am

The more things change, the more they stay the same

These two Eastern Massachusetts High Schools were the hockey powers 30 years ago when my high school played against them, and to this day they STILL rule the roost

By all accounts, Catholic Memorial goaltender Tommy Knox is one of the best in the MIAA, and for the first two periods of last night’s showdown between No. 2 CM and No. 1 Malden Catholic, the senior keeper played the part.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

104 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:26:35am

re: #102 KayInMaine

Not only would they not embrace Reagan, but they would also track down and kill jesus if he appeared on earth this afternoon! :D

You should occasionally climb down off of your pogostick of hyperbole. What is the point of saying that the GOP would kill Jesus?

105 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:26:39am

re: #95 EdDantes

And how has President Obama altered his lifestyle since he took office? I do not begrudge a President taking advantage of his perks, but to lecture the rest of us seems hipocritcal.

On “Meet the Press” December 26, top White House adviser Valerie Jarrett said President Obama’s “biggest regret” is that the severity of the economic crisis forced him to “spend almost every waking hour in Washington focusing very hard on solving that crisis” and thus kept him from traveling the country to connect with the American people. According to Jarrett, Obama recently told aides, “I really want to figure out a way where I can spend more time outside of Washington listening and learning and engaging the American people.” Jarrett says that in 2011 the president’s schedule will “reflect that priority” — that is, include more time outside the nation’s capital.

but then...

As of January 2, Obama has been president for 712 days. According to figures compiled by CBS News reporter Mark Knoller, who serves as a sort of unofficial White House record-keeper, Obama has spent 339 of those days — nearly 48 percent — outside Washington.

BO lives in his own disconnected reality....he loves the pomp and the perks of office....he's a big spender and a big traveler and his lifestyle is pretty large, even for a president....but to whine about being pinned down in DC shows he is simply out of touch...some people consider it lying about the time line....he should shut his pie hole with regard to lifestyles

[Link: urbangrounds.com...]

106 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:28:02am

re: #105 albusteve

Can you provide any proof that his lifestyle is large for a president, or is this just your BDS at work?

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:28:40am

re: #96 sattv4u2

Speaking of which

Kitchen Cabinets ,,, replace, or reface

(we have oak in the kitchen and want to keep them oak ,, tried to sell Wifey on new cherry ones but then we'd also probably have to replace the appliances)

I sell both. Refacing is cheaper (doesn't look like it, but since you know all the costs right up front, there are no surprises).

Remodel is my preference. Just looks nicer. Near Atlanta? Chances are your cabinets are 80% pressboard. If so? Remodel. If they're custom, solid wood and you like the layout? Reface away.

108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:29:29am

re: #104 Obdicut

Holy hell!

Thanks.

109 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:29:53am

Wow. Check out this insane post from the Washington Examiner comments:

FACT: The vast majority of Slavery supporters were left-of-center

FACT: The left were against black people voting

FACT: The left were against women voting

FACT: MLK was killed by a left-of-center assassin

FACT: R. Park's bus driver was Democratic

FACT: Every US president who was killed was by a left-of-center killer

FACT: The vast majority against civil rights were left-of-center

FACT: The only members of Congress that were K.KK members were Left

FACT: The left started planned parenthood to lower the black population

That's some professional self-delusion right there.

110 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:30:40am

re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I also can't imagine the 'kill Jesus' plan working that well. You're just going to make a martyr out of the guy.

/

111 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:30:49am

re: #106 Obdicut

Can you provide any proof that his lifestyle is large for a president, or is this just your BDS at work?

hahaha!....you crack me up, you're like a fish

112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:30:52am

re: #102 KayInMaine

Kay? No offense. But, that was dumb.

113 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:31:41am

re: #104 Obdicut

Not all of them. The rabid ones who are right now fighting against those of color. They would see jesus and mistake him for an illegal immigrant and would chase him down and kill him for his 'blasphemy' (telling them he was jesus). That's all I was saying. Calm down this morning! A blizzard is on it's way! LOL :D

114 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:32:22am

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, my grandma's house-- now my parent's house, I guess-- has a lot of great old built-in cabinetry, but some of the fixings-- handles, rails, and hinges-- are wearing out. How do we address this? Should we try to get someone to repair the fixings, try to track down the period parts, or get some custom-made?

115 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:33:20am

re: #113 KayInMaine

Not all of them. The rabid ones who are right now fighting against those of color. They would see jesus and mistake him for an illegal immigrant and would chase him down and kill him for his 'blasphemy' (telling them he was jesus). That's all I was saying. Calm down this morning! A blizzard is on it's way! LOL :D

do you have any proof of these wild assertions?....we want stats and facts

116 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:33:45am

re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kay? No offense. But, that was dumb.

{sigh}

117 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:34:12am

re: #113 KayInMaine

Not all of them. The rabid ones who are right now fighting against those of color. They would see jesus and mistake him for an illegal immigrant and would chase him down and kill him for his 'blasphemy' (telling them he was jesus). That's all I was saying. Calm down this morning! A blizzard is on it's way! LOL :D

You're acting like a parody of a leftist. There's lots of people in the US claiming to be Jesus Christ. To date, the GOP has killed zero. It's not really funny, in the current situation where an actual assassination has just taken place, to make stupid jokes about assassinations.

Jesus.

118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:34:16am

re: #113 KayInMaine

So, that was a Hay-Zeus joke? Not a Jesus joke? That, in retrospect, is kind of funny, if you lay off the "those of color" bullshit.

Wife's in the hospital, guys. Gonna go visit her.

Y'all figure out the world, I'll see you in a bit.

119 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:34:25am

re: #109 Obdicut

He must have heard Glenn Beck's lesson on the radio of the 3/5 Clause the other day:

Media Matters Video
120 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:34:50am

re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh crap, I hope it's nothing serious? Take care of yourself too, man.

121 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:35:44am

re: #111 albusteve

hahaha!...you crack me up, you're like a fish

Why troll?

122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:36:01am

re: #114 Obdicut

If you can find the period piece hardware? Oh, do it.

If it looks really good (ie. "period") I refuse to reface it. I'll tear it out, but won't reface it.

Like painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa (IMO).

123 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:36:41am

re: #115 albusteve

LOL Facts of a hyperbole situation? Okay, now you're reaching and freaking out a little too much! If jesus walked down the main drag in Arizona, do you think he would be well-received if he looked different than the image we've all seen for years now? Seriously, it's not that far-fetched to believe that someone would mistake him as being an illegal immigrant at this point! Our nation has gone mad and I don't even think jesus would survive the ridiculousness.

124 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:37:34am

re: #123 KayInMaine

Why do you consistently write "jesus" instead of "Jesus"?

125 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:38:35am

re: #123 KayInMaine

Again: There literally are people walking down the streets who are saying they are Jesus, as in, son of god, and nobody is killing them for that blasphemy.

So what the fuck are you talking about?

126 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:38:40am

re: #117 Obdicutre: #124 Sergey Romanov

Because I'm an Atheist. :D We all talked about this the other day on here.

127 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:39:28am

re: #126 KayInMaine

*facepalm*

128 EdDantes  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:39:29am

re: #98 Obdicut

I did not attack President Obama. I was reminded of the Solzhenitsyn novel, One day in the life of Ivan Denisovich. Where the narrator says, how can a man who is warm understand a man who is cold.

129 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:40:17am

re: #125 Obdicut

If the real jesus came to earth don't you think he would arrive a little differently than some guy getting out a Jetta dressed as him?

Alright fine! Forget I said this. It was a mere attempt to reflect the craziness of the nation right now.

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:40:21am

re: #126 KayInMaine

Are you a parody of an atheist?

131 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:40:53am

re: #130 Sergey Romanov

No.

132 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:41:17am
133 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:41:58am

re: #129 KayInMaine

"Real-life Jesus", last time, arrived in a pretty unspectacular fashion.

If you're talking about a Jesus descending on clouds of glory, then no, I don't think the GOP is going to be shooting at him.

And again: Real people just got killed. Assassinated. Making jokes about assassination is pretty fucking stupid.

134 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:42:07am

re: #105 albusteve

On “Meet the Press” December 26, top White House adviser Valerie Jarrett said President Obama’s “biggest regret” is that the severity of the economic crisis forced him to “spend almost every waking hour in Washington focusing very hard on solving that crisis” and thus kept him from traveling the country to connect with the American people. According to Jarrett, Obama recently told aides, “I really want to figure out a way where I can spend more time outside of Washington listening and learning and engaging the American people.” Jarrett says that in 2011 the president’s schedule will “reflect that priority” — that is, include more time outside the nation’s capital.

but then...

As of January 2, Obama has been president for 712 days. According to figures compiled by CBS News reporter Mark Knoller, who serves as a sort of unofficial White House record-keeper, Obama has spent 339 of those days — nearly 48 percent — outside Washington.

BO lives in his own disconnected reality...he loves the pomp and the perks of office...he's a big spender and a big traveler and his lifestyle is pretty large, even for a president...but to whine about being pinned down in DC shows he is simply out of touch...some people consider it lying about the time line...he should shut his pie hole with regard to lifestyles

[Link: urbangrounds.com...]

How many days at this point had Bush spent outside of DC?

135 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:42:14am

re: #126 KayInMaine

I assure you that being an atheist does not explain your strange capitalization of Jesus' name. I'm an atheist. I don't do this. So maybe let's try one more time? Why do you write "jesus" instead of "Jesus"?

136 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:42:40am

re: #133 Obdicut

*sigh*

137 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:42:41am

re: #117 Obdicut

You're acting like a parody of a leftist. There's lots of people in the US claiming to be Jesus Christ. To date, the GOP has killed zero. It's not really funny, in the current situation where an actual assassination has just taken place, to make stupid jokes about assassinations.

Jesus.

Christ!

138 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:42:45am

re: #123 KayInMaine

LOL Facts of a hyperbole situation? Okay, now you're reaching and freaking out a little too much! If jesus walked down the main drag in Arizona, do you think he would be well-received if he looked different than the image we've all seen for years now? Seriously, it's not that far-fetched to believe that someone would mistake him as being an illegal immigrant at this point! Our nation has gone mad and I don't even think jesus would survive the ridiculousness.

whatever, I don't take you serious...Obdicut has some Derangement Syndrome name for that sort of stuff

139 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:43:15am

re: #134 jamesfirecat

How many days at this point had Bush spent outside of DC?

I give up, how many?

140 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:43:38am
141 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:45:12am

re: #140 KayInMaine

Even if he didn't existed, it's a proper noun. You're not not 'giving credit to it', you're just abusing orthography.

You are making my teeth hurt. Especially since I stuck my neck out defending you the other day. Kind of regretting that at this point.

142 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:45:48am

re: #140 KayInMaine

These "demands" exist in your head only. I just asked.

143 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:46:02am

re: #139 albusteve

I give up, how many?

I've got no idea... but maybe we should check before we complain that Obama is out of touch unless you're willing to extend the same label to Bush...

(Which in all honesty knowing you Steve you probably would be because you seem to be a pretty equal opportunity critic of our government)

144 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:46:04am

re: #132 albusteve

Calm down, Steve.

145 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:47:05am

re: #140 KayInMaine

Oh, and there was a time when I very much doubted that a historical prototype of the NT Jesus existed. I never tied it to spelling. Oh well.

146 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:47:43am

re: #143 jamesfirecat

I've got no idea... but maybe we should check before we complain that Obama is out of touch unless you're willing to extend the same label to Bush...

(Which in all honesty knowing you Steve you probably would be because you seem to be a pretty equal opportunity critic of our government)

okay, Bush was out of touch...I was not a big fan of Bush

147 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:48:55am

re: #144 Obdicut

Calm down, Steve.

relax Obdicut....I'll accept your apology for name calling whenever you are ready

148 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:50:19am

re: #147 albusteve

Can you provide any proof that Obama's lifestyle is large for a president?

149 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:50:23am
150 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:51:50am

re: #149 KayInMaine

Or we can just keep making fun of you for it. If you can't handle it, just scroll past. Okay?
/

There's nothing quite as funny as someone who's being aggressive simultaneously being very, very defensive.

151 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:52:38am

Britain has it's own anti-pot fanatics...nice use of LE funds
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

152 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:52:42am

re: #149 KayInMaine

Don't act like a victim or something. Nobody tries to take away your right to misspell. Just don't expect that your misspelling won't be pointed out and mocked.

153 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:53:49am

re: #148 Obdicut

Can you provide any proof that Obama's lifestyle is large for a president?

it is my astute observation, I consider myself an expert....you'll have to wait for the book to come out

154 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:54:09am

Anybody noted Palin's statement yet?

Video:

Vimeo

Transcript:
[Link: www.facebook.com...]

155 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:54:49am

Not being a victim here, just wondering aloud why you all freak out on something so stupid! It's like saying to me, "We're not talking to you today because you're wearing the color blue. We hate that color and it looks awful on you! Dress like we do!". There are larger issues to tackle.

156 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:54:51am

re: #153 albusteve

Right. You have no proof or reason to believe that at all. You just hate Obama, so you believe negative things about him regardless of any truth or proof to them.

Where does that get you? What's the payoff? I really don't get it.

157 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:55:45am

re: #155 KayInMaine

But we are talking to you.

158 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:56:35am
159 EdDantes  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:56:39am

Good night, everyone.

160 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:57:40am

re: #149 KayInMaine

Okay Grammar Police, for the last time: I will spell jesus the way I want to. If you can't handle it just scroll past what I say or have Charles ban me. Okay?


Not all of them. The rabid ones who are right now fighting against those of color. They would see jesus and mistake him for an illegal immigrant and would chase him down and kill him for his 'blasphemy' (telling them he was jesus).

I don't care about grammar, but this tripe is pretty disgusting, the allusion that illegal immigrants are being chased down and killed in the USA

161 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:58:27am

re: #154 000G

That's really fucking weird. She pretends that Gifford didn't specifically call out her as being irresponsible with violent rhetoric.

Does she think people will just forget that?

Does she think she can get away with misusing 'blood libel' like that?

162 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:59:26am

re: #158 KayInMaine

And you're telling me to dress differently. Have I spent any time asking why you all use a capital "J" when you spell the word? Nope! Kind of silly for me to even say such a thing.

That's actually the most minor of the reasons I think you're being an ass at the moment; it's mainly your really dumb joke about assassination. Do you get that?

163 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:59:31am

re: #160 albusteve

Okay. You don't believe there are rabid righties out there. That's fine. You don't have to.

164 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:00:01am

re: #155 KayInMaine

Well, sometimes these little things can tell one whether or not it makes sense to continue with the person. I don't know if it's like that to you, but misspelling Jesus' name out of some strange principle is pretty weird for an adult, so that makes at least me wonder what else do you have in store.

165 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:00:28am

re: #156 Obdicut

Right. You have no proof or reason to believe that at all. You just hate Obama, so you believe negative things about him regardless of any truth or proof to them.

Where does that get you? What's the payoff? I really don't get it.

I don't hate BO and I don't even hate you....where do you get this shit from?...a post pointing out that BO is out of DC 48% of the time, mostly enjoying himself?....why are you so sensitive about it?...I say he lives large, no reason to get your knickers twisted...and then you tell ME to relax?....LOL

166 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:01:18am
167 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:02:45am
168 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:03:22am

re: #164 Sergey Romanov

Well, sometimes these little things can tell one whether or not it makes sense to continue with the person. I don't know if it's like that to you, but misspelling Jesus' name out of some strange principle is pretty weird for an adult, so that makes at least me wonder what else do you have in store.

To prove how radical and a free thinker she is, she'll also spell Sunday with a lower case "s"!!
/ (kinda)

169 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:03:28am

re: #161 Obdicut

That's really fucking weird. She pretends that Gifford didn't specifically call out her as being irresponsible with violent rhetoric.

Does she think people will just forget that?

Does she think she can get away with misusing 'blood libel' like that?

I can't even watch that crap....Palin is off her rocker so I'll take your word for it....she has fallen down to sleazy now, tabloid fodder...no stats, just my opinion

170 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:03:43am

re: #165 albusteve

I don't hate BO and I don't even hate you...where do you get this shit from?...a post pointing out that BO is out of DC 48% of the time, mostly enjoying himself?...why are you so sensitive about it?...I say he lives large, no reason to get your knickers twisted...and then you tell ME to relax?...LOL

Presidents live large, it's what they do. They're the freaking President.

Who was the last President to live frugally? Mary Lincoln spent money like it was water.

171 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:04:36am

re: #163 KayInMaine

Okay. You don't believe there are rabid righties out there. That's fine. You don't have to.

you'll have to do better than that....I never said such a thing, shame on you, you just lost a few more points

172 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:05:16am

re: #170 Alouette

Presidents live large, it's what they do. They're the freaking President.

Who was the last President to live frugally? Mary Lincoln spent money like it was water.

that was not the gist of the post, was it?...

173 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:05:22am
174 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:05:34am

re: #161 Obdicut

That's really fucking weird. She pretends that Gifford didn't specifically call out her as being irresponsible with violent rhetoric.

Does she think people will just forget that?

Does she think she can get away with misusing 'blood libel' like that?

AFAIK, it was Reynolds in the WSJ who first prominently suggested the term blood libel, implying antisemitic bigotry, was somehow appropriate for something taken to be a smear against Palin.

I am thinking she is scrambling to control the narrative now before Giffords is able to speak again.

175 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:06:38am

re: #173 KayInMaine

I do? Wow! I had no idea that sunday and jesus were the same thing on the same level! I need to spend today's snow day freshing up on my grammar apparently.

Not to mention your people skills

176 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:06:53am
177 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:07:59am

re: #176 KayInMaine

I hadn't realized

That happens to you often, huh!

178 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:08:09am

re: #174 000G

It's a really bizarre statement from top to bottom, full of defensiveness. It's really bizarre that she sees calls to tone down the violent rhetoric as somehow leading to more violence.

The message swings wildly back and forth between 'We have a strong, vigorous debate, and that's good" to "But when the other side is engaging in it, that's a blood libel".

Blood libel. Does that woman even know what the fuck that means?

Gah.

Oh well. At least I can be comforted that her citing a Catholic mass will get a lot of her Evangelical and Baptist fans pissed at her.

179 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:11:59am

Blood libel: To Palin, just a phrase she likes. Never mind that it defines a specific accusation against Jews, that it refers to the monstrous accusation that Jews use blood in religious ceremonies, that it has nothing at all to do even with the most fanatical "This is Sarah Palin's Fault!" accusation; she'll use it because it sounds good.

So fucking tasteless. Such a sense of self-persecution.

180 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:12:26am

re: #176 KayInMaine

LOL! I hadn't realized I was on a point system with any of you on here! Wow. Okay. I'll leave because I can tell some of you are going to blow your testicles off. That would make you hideous to those who love you and I wouldn't want to be the cause or the blame for your transformation! :D

for someone so blog savvy, you sure aren't...nobody is running you off, and there is no LGF point system, it's one of my own I keep handy...if you lurked for a while you'd see you can hang around and still wrestle with people....Obdicut and I do it all the time....fleeing is not a good option, it makes you appear weak, which is worse than being wrong IMO

181 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:12:35am

re: #176 KayInMaine

LOL! I hadn't realized I was on a point system with any of you on here! Wow. Okay. I'll leave because I can tell some of you are going to blow your testicles off. That would make you hideous to those who love you and I wouldn't want to be the cause or the blame for your transformation! :D


Do you listen to yourself when you talk or do you find you drift in and out?

182 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:13:18am

re: #181 rwdflynavy

Do you listen to yourself when you talk or do you find you drift in and out?

huh?!!?!

//

183 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:13:25am

re: #178 Obdicut

It's a really bizarre statement from top to bottom, full of defensiveness. It's really bizarre that she sees calls to tone down the violent rhetoric as somehow leading to more violence.

The message swings wildly back and forth between 'We have a strong, vigorous debate, and that's good" to "But when the other side is engaging in it, that's a blood libel".

It's typical of Palin, though. Self-righteous self-victimization. Note also the constant self-equation of herself with the nation when she does that.

Oh well. At least I can be comforted that her citing a Catholic mass will get a lot of her Evangelical and Baptist fans pissed at her.

Mh? Catholic mass? Must have missed that.

184 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:16:07am

re: #183 000G

Mh? Catholic mass? Must have missed that.

It's right at the top.

Her whole statement would be more appropriate if she were a religious rather than a political figure.

185 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:16:32am

re: #183 000G

It's typical of Palin, though. Self-righteous self-victimization. Note also the constant self-equation of herself with the nation when she does that.

Mh? Catholic mass? Must have missed that.

Palin has degenerated from buffoon, to a clown with a knife in her hand....the hotter things get, the more out of touch she becomes....her vanity will be her downfall, I hope

186 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:20:38am

And here's something to add to the weirdness. On her blog Kay does not misspell Jesus' name.

[Link: whitenoiseinsanity.com...]

We all know how the right wingers in DC will react at the idea of Jesus Christ being nominated for the SCOTUS by America’s first half-black/half-white Democratic President in the White House: THEY’LL SAY NO! and will most likely track Jesus down to kill him to prevent him from being on the SCOTUS!

187 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:21:28am

re: #186 Sergey Romanov

I'm starting to think she might actually be a parody.

188 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:22:17am

re: #187 Obdicut

I'm starting to think she might actually be a parody.

I know diagnosing a mental disorder over the internet is problematic, but I have some thoughts...
//

189 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:22:25am

Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama
Sarah Palin's attacks on Barack Obama's patriotism provoked a spike in death threats against the future president, Secret Service agents revealed during the final weeks of the campaign.

The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.

holy shit...the SS?....I wonder if this is a smear job or whether it's true...is it even possible to fact check the SS?...seems like it would be a blockbuster story if true

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

190 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:22:45am

re: #188 rwdflynavy

I know diagnosing a mental disorder over the internet is problematic, but I have some thoughts...
//

Are any of them coherent?

191 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:22:59am

re: #187 Obdicut

[Link: whitenoiseinsanity.com...]

I’m shocked too Myra! Of course, Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are their Masters (as are the Koch brothers!), so it’s not surprising they’re scared of everything that isn’t pasty white and christian. I’m telling ya if Jesus was alive today he would be tracked down and killed for looking kind’a Muslim!

192 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:23:07am

re: #184 Obdicut

It's right at the top.

Her whole statement would be more appropriate if she were a religious rather than a political figure.

Oh yeah, thanks for pointint that out.

Also, regarding the whole appropriateness of her making a statement at all. I mean, she is not a Governor anymore, she does not hold any public office and is not currently running for one officially. She is a politician and a media personality. How is her making a statement relevant? Of course because she's been mentioned in the debate after the shooting and even before the shooting by a victim of the shooting in a context repeated in the debate after the shooting, but she refuses to say anything about this at all, just shooing it away with a baseless tu quoque and a suggestion that those kind of talking points are tantamount to antisemitic charges of childmurder and sacrilege. And then she has the audacity to also repeat the whole "oh those politicos politicizing this event for their own selfish gains", pretending that her scramble to keep control of the direction of the narrative in order to save her own brand is somehow an appropriate effort to "heal the nation" or whatever the fuck she is pretending to be doing altruistically with this message.

193 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:23:34am

re: #189 albusteve

Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama
Sarah Palin's attacks on Barack Obama's patriotism provoked a spike in death threats against the future president, Secret Service agents revealed during the final weeks of the campaign.

The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.

holy shit...the SS?...I wonder if this is a smear job or whether it's true...is it even possible to fact check the SS?...seems like it would be a blockbuster story if true

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]


Freaking Secret Service, what a bunch of political hacks!!
//

194 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:23:44am

re: #186 Sergey Romanov

re: #191 Sergey Romanov

{sigh}

195 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:24:36am

re: #192 000G

Oh yeah, thanks for pointint that out.

Also, regarding the whole appropriateness of her making a statement at all. I mean, she is not a Governor anymore, she does not hold any public office and is not currently running for one officially. She is a politician and a media personality. How is her making a statement relevant? Of course because she's been mentioned in the debate after the shooting and even before the shooting by a victim of the shooting in a context repeated in the debate after the shooting, but she refuses to say anything about this at all, just shooing it away with a baseless tu quoque and a suggestion that those kind of talking points are tantamount to antisemitic charges of childmurder and sacrilege. And then she has the audacity to also repeat the whole "oh those politicos politicizing this event for their own selfish gains", pretending that her scramble to keep control of the direction of the narrative in order to save her own brand is somehow an appropriate effort to "heal the nation" or whatever the fuck she is pretending to be doing altruistically with this message.

Palin is relevant because the MSM says she is....she is a tool for ratings

196 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:24:42am

re: #192 000G

Yeah. The one piece of relevance that she has is that Giffords specifically said that Palin's rhetoric was irresponsible. And yet that is the one thing she does not address in her statement.

Kind of telling.

197 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:28:24am

[Link: whitenoiseinsanity.com...]

Joe Lieberman The Nazi to go after American Muslims because killing Iraqi children on behalf of Israel is not enough pleasure for him

Have I mentioned lately how much I hate today’s Hitler. Yes, that’s right….I hate Joe Lieberman who would kill every American alive on earth to protect his pasty white Israel. He hates all of us. Oh, I know you’re telling yourself right now, “But Kay! I’m a conservative and I love everything Joe says and does! He obviously loves me and my party and is very loyal to the cause!”, but what you’re missing is he is using you knuckleheads to catapult his hateful agenda against the United States on behalf of Israel. See? He would applaud loudly if you died on behalf of Israel and there’s no telling how he would react if he conspired to kill President Obama either! Oh wait. I know how Joe would react if President Obama was gunned down by Israelis. He would blame Iran, applaud loudly at the idea of Americans dying in Iran for Israel, and then he would hold a press conference telling us “how sad he is to hear of the President’s passing”, you know, as if the President died of a heart attack rather than at the end of a Israeli sniper’s bullet.

See? Hitler hated the Jews and now the Jewish Joe hates all Muslims. I bet Joe is a birther too and believes President Obama is a secret Muslim!

Joe has decided to hold Senate hearings in reaction to the Ford Hood massacre, because the man who fired the gun there and who killed 13 has a funny last name and is Muslim. See? Joe doesn’t care what the FBI or the Army has to say about this! Nope. Joe wants to become the Judge and Jury against ALL MUSLIMS ON BEHALF OF ISRAEL. Of course, when he and Susan Collins of Maine under George Bush were the heads of Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, these two did nothing to hold George Bush and his Mafia Thugs accountable for their actions! Nope. The hearings they did hold were laughable. The two of them would ask the witnesses, “Did you do anything wrong?” and when they heard, “Nope!”, they would bang the gavel down on the table and then say, “Okay! Lunchtime!”. Spit.

GO TO HELL JOE LIEBERMAN! You’re a traitor to all of humanity! Your empty shell of a heart is in Israel………SO MOVE THERE PLEASE AND DON’T COME BACK. The fact you’re trying to drum up anti-Muslim sentiment in this country to satisfy your lust is absolutely disgusting!

198 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:29:46am

re: #196 Obdicut

Yeah. The one piece of relevance that she has is that Giffords specifically said that Palin's rhetoric was irresponsible. And yet that is the one thing she does not address in her statement.

Kind of telling.

You, know, I was just thinking…

One of the Right's most favorite talking points being that Obama is the big apologist, always saying "I'm sorry" to the world for America's exceptionalism, when in reality Obama's been just a little more willing than his predecessors to be honest about some of America's shortcomings.

And here is one of the top celebs of the rightwing, pretty much refusing to acknowledge any shortcomings of relevance in the political context and ignoring the obvious in order to get it on record that everybody but her and her brand's been irresponsible. It's like the Anti-Fisk.

199 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:31:39am

re: #195 albusteve

Palin is relevant because the MSM says she is...she is a tool for ratings

Ratings are undeniably a part of it, yes. But I don't think her relevance in this whole context can be reduced to "the MSM" bringing her up. That would mean ignoring the Palin-Giffords connections that are on record.

200 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:32:14am

re: #197 Sergey Romanov

Woah. That's weapons-grade dumb.

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:33:24am

re: #200 Obdicut

Woah. That's weapons-grade dumb.

You're a master of understatement ;-)

202 Sionainn  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:33:36am

re: #196 Obdicut

Yeah. The one piece of relevance that she has is that Giffords specifically said that Palin's rhetoric was irresponsible. And yet that is the one thing she does not address in her statement.

Kind of telling.

Yes, it is. I'm not surprised that she takes no responsibility and makes herself out to be the victim once again. I don't even know why I bothered to read her statement in the first place.

203 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:33:46am

I don't like the idea of the POTUS speaking at the memorial for the shooting victims...no matter how you cut it, it politicizes the event...make an official statement from the WH then stand away...so shoot me

204 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:35:00am

re: #203 albusteve

I don't like the idea of the POTUS speaking at the memorial for the shooting victims...no matter how you cut it, it politicizes the event...make an official statement from the WH then stand away...so shoot me

205 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:35:40am

re: #197 Sergey Romanov

"Pasty white Israel" is unintentionally hilarious.

Israelis:

Image: IsraeliSoldierPraysNearTank.jpg

Image: israeliG050806_228x312.jpg

Not visible: Pastiness, whiteness.

206 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:35:52am

Maybe he meant "shoo me" or "shoe me" or "sue me".

207 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:36:21am

re: #203 albusteve

I don't like the idea of the POTUS speaking at the memorial for the shooting victims...no matter how you cut it, it politicizes the event...make an official statement from the WH then stand away...so shoot me

A member of the US government got shot. It is perfectly appropriate for Obama to speak. It'd be really weird if he didn't.

208 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:36:23am

re: #199 000G

Ratings are undeniably a part of it, yes. But I don't think her relevance in this whole context can be reduced to "the MSM" bringing her up. That would mean ignoring the Palin-Giffords connections that are on record.

I speaking in general, in fact she is a child of the MSM, not McCain or governorship...she has been created and molded and used....but that's not your point, I know

209 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:37:29am

re: #208 albusteve

No, she really is famous because McCain picked her as a VP candidate. She wouldn't have been famous otherwise.

210 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:44:04am

re: #209 Obdicut

No, she really is famous because McCain picked her as a VP candidate. She wouldn't have been famous otherwise.

the point is, after flaming out, she had nothing, no game at all...and looking back we would have all been better off had she gone back where she came from...obscurity

as for BO going to AZ, I suppose if he didn't he'd start a shitstorm from his supposed neglact

211 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:47:31am

Republicans Shift Themes in Debate About Rampage

Potential Republican presidential candidates, pressed to address Saturday's rampage in Arizona, are bringing the discussion around to such themes as the need to strengthen the family and the broader threat of Islamic fundamentalist violence they argue are being ignored.

fanning out, looking to dilute the discussion

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

212 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:50:04am

re: #209 Obdicut

No, she really is famous because McCain picked her as a VP candidate. She wouldn't have been famous otherwise.


..."You Betcha" !

213 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:51:19am

Morning all!

How is everyone?

214 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:54:08am

re: #213 ggt

...COLD!

215 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:55:49am

re: #214 reloadingisnotahobby

...COLD!

Yeah me too! Wearing multiple layers.

216 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:58:03am

re: #215 ggt

Yeah me too! Wearing multiple layers.

We're in a warming patern for a minute....
could reach 28 or 29 dig today!!
Calling for snow Thursday night....yeah!/

217 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:58:10am

Early Legal Issue: Where to Try Case

The federal prosecution of alleged gunman Jared Lee Loughner will likely focus first on whether he should be tried in Arizona, then shift to the question of his mental competency.

em>Mr. Loughner's attorneys are expected to argue that he couldn't get a fair trial in Arizona, according to seasoned criminal lawyers, because his shooting spree has been the focus of intense media coverage and many potential jurors may have some tie, however remote, to the victims and witnesses.

the skinny, so far

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

218 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:09:13am

re: #216 reloadingisnotahobby

We're in a warming patern for a minute...
could reach 28 or 29 dig today!!
Calling for snow Thursday night...yeah!/

Same here... will warm up to around 30 degrees (f) today... 14 right now... and maybe light snow Fri. or Sat.

All I care about is a window of clear skies on Friday morning for about an hour... Paris here I come.

219 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:10:12am

after a couple of years of consultation, Cadillac has finally built my new car...
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

no, it's not a vintage hot rod, but I just need it for picking up pizza etc

220 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:11:14am

re: #219 albusteve

after a couple of years of consultation, Cadillac has finally built my new car...
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

no, it's not a vintage hot rod, but I just need it for picking up pizza etc

how much?

221 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:11:16am

re: #219 albusteve

after a couple of years of consultation, Cadillac has finally built my new car...
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

no, it's not a vintage hot rod, but I just need it for picking up pizza etc

Gave up picking up women, huh?

222 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:11:32am

re: #220 ggt

how much?

For what , the Caddy ,, or the Pizza !?!?

223 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:12:03am

re: #222 sattv4u2

For what , the Caddy ,, or the Pizza !?!?

well certainly not the women :)

224 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:12:24am

re: #218 Walter L. Newton

Same here... will warm up to around 30 degrees (f) today... 14 right now... and maybe light snow Fri. or Sat.

All I care about is a window of clear skies on Friday morning for about an hour... Paris here I come.

Mostly everything around here has been closed since Sunday night (except, of course, for where I work)

225 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:13:29am

re: #220 ggt

how much?

you have to ask?....I dunno...$75k or so would be my guess...what a fucking cool looking beast and I predict these things will fly off the shelf....my BIL is considering one...smoking hot and so good looking it hurts

226 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:14:12am

re: #225 albusteve

you have to ask?...I dunno...$75k or so would be my guess...what a fucking cool looking beast and I predict these things will fly off the shelf...my BIL is considering one...smoking hot and so good looking it hurts

The car,, or the BIL!?!?!

227 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:14:17am

re: #221 sattv4u2

Gave up picking up women, huh?

hey!...my laundry girls are sensitive about that stuff, cool it

228 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:14:27am

re: #225 albusteve

you have to ask?...I dunno...$75k or so would be my guess...what a fucking cool looking beast and I predict these things will fly off the shelf...my BIL is considering one...smoking hot and so good looking it hurts

It's a lot of money for a depreciating asset.

229 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:14:51am

re: #224 sattv4u2

Mostly everything around here has been closed since Sunday night (except, of course, for where I work)

And thank you for your service to your country. Do you know that there would be riots in the streets if America couldn't get their football feeds.

A metal of honor for you sir.

230 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:16:42am

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

And thank you for your service to your country. Do you know that there would be riots in the streets if America couldn't get their football feeds.

A metal of honor for you sir.

Beer sales would suffer! Yes, thank you for efforts to keep the economy rolling!

231 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:17:59am

re: #179 Obdicut

Blood libel: To Palin, just a phrase she likes. Never mind that it defines a specific accusation against Jews, that it refers to the monstrous accusation that Jews use blood in religious ceremonies, that it has nothing at all to do even with the most fanatical "This is Sarah Palin's Fault!" accusation; she'll use it because it sounds good.

So fucking tasteless. Such a sense of self-persecution.

An additional piece of context here: Giffords actually is Jewish. Palin just exploits this by suggesting that notions of jewishness apply to herself in the overall narrative that she, Palin, is the actual victim.

232 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:18:10am

I read/saw that little exchange above with Kay in Maine. Glad I messed it. Unsupported opinion, she's doing that on purpose, goofing on people. Her thoughts may reflect here ideologies, fine, but her method of delivery is calculated to elicit the exact kind of reaction she's getting.

Why would anyone do that :)

233 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:18:38am

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

And thank you for your service to your country. Do you know that there would be riots in the streets if America couldn't get their football feeds.

A metal of honor for you sir.

I have a plate in my head thats made of that, does that count?

234 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:19:47am

re: #233 sattv4u2

I have a plate in my head thats made of that, does that count?

That explains a lot!

:)

235 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:19:52am

re: #231 000G

An additional piece of context here: Giffords actually is Jewish. Palin just exploits this by suggesting that notions of jewishness apply to herself in the overall narrative that she, Palin, is the actual victim.

Oh goody, I'm not going to go up thread again, so, give me the matinee version, what's the recent Sarah "look, I'm over here!" Palin snit?

236 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:19:58am

re: #226 sattv4u2

The car,, or the BIL!?!?!

heh, you foul pervert

237 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:20:15am

re: #234 ggt

That explains a lot!

:)

One word

RUST!

238 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:21:18am

re: #233 sattv4u2

I have a plate in my head thats made of that, does that count?

"I got laid off when they closed that asbestos factory, and wouldn't you know it, the army cuts my disability pension because they said that the plate in my head wasn't big enough. "

239 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:21:23am

re: #232 Walter L. Newton

I read/saw that little exchange above with Kay in Maine. Glad I messed it. Unsupported opinion, she's doing that on purpose, goofing on people. Her thoughts may reflect here ideologies, fine, but her method of delivery is calculated to elicit the exact kind of reaction she's getting.

Why would anyone do that :)

At least you offend with content, not grammar.

240 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:21:49am

re: #235 Walter L. Newton

Oh goody, I'm not going to go up thread again, so, give me the matinee version, what's the recent Sarah "look, I'm over here!" Palin snit?

See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Short: "Hay guys, people thinking I am responsible for anything hurts America and is pretty much antisemitic!"

241 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:22:32am

re: #236 albusteve

heh, you foul pervert

and your point is ...,,,???

242 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:22:45am

PS: You probably missed this, Walter: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

243 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:24:04am

re: #241 sattv4u2

and your point is ...,,,???

you messed up my vibe...ARREST THAT MAN!

244 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:28:53am

re: #240 000G

See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Short: "Hay guys, people thinking I am responsible for anything hurts America and is pretty much antisemitic!"

Which is funny (not in a particularly haha kind of way) because trying to hold Palin responsible for her statements is exactly what Giffords had been doing on March 25, 2010:

Youtube Video

“I think it’s important for all leaders, not just leaders of the Republican Party or the Democratic Party … community leaders, figures in our community to say, ‘Look, we can’t stand for this.’ I mean, this is a situation where people really need to realize that this rhetoric, and firing people up, and even things … For example, we’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list, but the way she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gunsight over our district. And when people do that, they’ve gotta realize that there’s consequences to that action.”

Also, a reminder: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama

This woman is simply irresponsible.

245 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:29:32am

I'm off for a while.

Have a great morning all!

246 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:33:53am

I'm getting punchy

(okay ,, punchIER than normal)

Been at work for over 38 hours now. Have been able to take a cat nap a couple of times but I need a break and the person that's supposed to relieve me just called and said he's at LEAST an hour from getting here

247 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:33:57am

re: #186 Sergey Romanov

And here's something to add to the weirdness. On her blog Kay does not misspell Jesus' name.

[Link: whitenoiseinsanity.com...]

That might ought to be "kay".
Or, "kayinmaine".

248 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:34:36am

re: #219 albusteve

after a couple of years of consultation, Cadillac has finally built my new car...
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

no, it's not a vintage hot rod, but I just need it for picking up pizza etc

There's a company named Hennessey Performance that'll take one of those and mod it so it just ticks over 700 HP. They've got video.

CSV V-700

# Performance:
# • 0-60 mph: 3.3 sec.*
# • 1/4 Mile: 11.1 @ 128 mph*
# • Top Speed: 211 mph (with 6-speed transmission)
* With optional 20 inch HRE wheel upgrade & 305/45-20 Nitto drag radial tires.

Boom!

Back oon topic - the first thing I see besides the nearly 2 feet of snow outside is the Hellcat from Grifterville deflecting blame? I'm going to ba as crabby as Walter for the rest of the day.

I wish I could get that woman off my internet, but she seems to be pretty well dug in.

249 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:35:08am

Image: tumblr_lewytxhnI51qdkv8qo1_500.jpg

In a Tucson hospital room, Mark Kelly keeps vigil beside his wife, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, as she undergoes treatment for severe head injuries in this photo taken Sunday and released late Tuesday.

via NPR

250 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:35:23am

re: #244 000G

Which is funny (not in a particularly haha kind of way) because trying to hold Palin responsible for her statements is exactly what Giffords had been doing on March 25, 2010:

Youtube Video

Also, a reminder: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama

This woman is simply irresponsible.

already been posted...this certainly cannot be taken at face value...how did the Telegraph come by this factoid?

251 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:35:59am

Aaargh. Jarik Kaczynski seems to be determined to make political points on the death of his brother.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

252 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:36:07am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, which is digging out from another snowfall. It wasn't nearly as bad as the Boxing Day Snowpocalypse, and NYC Sanitation appears to have done its job without the craziness and massive bureaucratic fail from that day.

Still, the inconveniences from that snowstorm, and today's snow are nothing in comparison to what Haitians are dealing with a year after the massive quake killed nearly 300,000 people. The country is still in shambles and rebuilding is a distant thought to many because they haven't cleared rubble from 95% of the affected areas. It's doubtful that millions of Haitians will be in proper housing by the time this year's hurricane season starts. Foreign donations haven't gotten the job done and the Haitian government isn't any better.

253 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:39:27am

Lawhawk - I'm on Long Island, and I think we got more snow this time. It's dead quiet out there. The kids haven't gotten their snowmobiles out of their sheds yet and there are no cars running at all. Kind of eerie.

254 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:41:11am

re: #252 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, which is digging out from another snowfall. It wasn't nearly as bad as the Boxing Day Snowpocalypse, and NYC Sanitation appears to have done its job without the craziness and massive bureaucratic fail from that day.

Still, the inconveniences from that snowstorm, and today's snow are nothing in comparison to what Haitians are dealing with a year after the massive quake killed nearly 300,000 people. The country is still in shambles and rebuilding is a distant thought to many because they haven't cleared rubble from 95% of the affected areas. It's doubtful that millions of Haitians will be in proper housing by the time this year's hurricane season starts. Foreign donations haven't gotten the job done and the Haitian government isn't any better.

like I said at the time..to get things rolling properly will take the US military...get the Corp of Engineers down there for 6 months, bring the equipment, manpower and knowhow to get it done....nobody took my advice I guess....there is simply no excuse for this to go on

255 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:42:33am

re: #242 000G

PS: You probably missed this, Walter: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I've given up on that fight.

A little explanation. (For some of you this is old news, for others... possibly informative, and for the rest of you... you'll recognize more shameless self-promotion).

I spent two years working on the stage version of the book "I Never Promise You A Rose Garden," a 1963 fiction (which was actually a fictionally dramatized true story, based on the authors actual hospitalization due to her own schizophrenia) with help from the author Joanne Greenberg, professionals and Dr. Gail Hornstein (Head of Woman's Studies, Holyoake College, Ma.), biographer of the Joanne's real doctor Frieda Fromm-Reichmann.

The show had a world premiere here in Colorado, positive reviews in the local papers and Variety Magazine from Los Angeles, and was nominated for a number of theatre awards and won two of them.

I am not a professional, but I am a very informed individual, and even a professional psychiatrist cannot honestly diagnose something as complicated as schizophrenia by simple reading someone's ranting or watching their videos. It takes at least a minimum of controlled observation in a clinical setting.

But schizophrenia has become a mental illness catch all, putting all sorts of characters in that slot, with out any valid evidence.

I don't know why it bothers me so much. Maybe the same reason when someone says something here on LGF, and another Lizard knows better (I'm looking at you Obdicut :)... and makes a correction.

Anyway... that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

(In fairness to the shameless self-promotion, you may read more at Wiki... [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] ... or view some video of the show and read some reviews... [Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...] )

256 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:42:50am

re: #248 makeitstop

There's a company named Hennessey Performance that'll take one of those and mod it so it just ticks over 700 HP. They've got video.

CSV V-700

# Performance:
# • 0-60 mph: 3.3 sec.*
# • 1/4 Mile: 11.1 @ 128 mph*
# • Top Speed: 211 mph (with 6-speed transmission)
* With optional 20 inch HRE wheel upgrade & 305/45-20 Nitto drag radial tires.

Boom!

Back oon topic - the first thing I see besides the nearly 2 feet of snow outside is the Hellcat from Grifterville deflecting blame? I'm going to ba as crabby as Walter for the rest of the day.

I wish I could get that woman off my internet, but she seems to be pretty well dug in.

you can just buy the engine and drop it in yourself...maybe $25-35k

257 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:43:10am

re: #254 albusteve

like I said at the time..to get things rolling properly will take the US military...get the Corp of Engineers down there for 6 months, bring the equipment, manpower and knowhow to get it done...nobody took my advice I guess...there is simply no excuse for this to go on

I know a few guys that were deployed with the Canadian military... first deployments outside of Canada actually... the entire thing was a joke from the 2nd week. By that point, they were basically restricted from working when the media wasn't around. They were pretty bitter.

258 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:45:57am

re: #256 albusteve

you can just buy the engine and drop it in yourself...maybe $25-35k

When I was a kid I used to help my pals swap engines and trannies out of old Fords and Chevies. But I look under the hood of cars nowadays and think 'No way I'm going near that with a wrench.' Too much peripheral stuff surrounding the engine. I'll leave it to the pros, thanks.

259 S'latch  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:47:46am

Yes, but it takes a very special kind of crazy to blow yourself up or fly a plane into a building.

260 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:49:51am

re: #257 McSpiff

I know a few guys that were deployed with the Canadian military... first deployments outside of Canada actually... the entire thing was a joke from the 2nd week. By that point, they were basically restricted from working when the media wasn't around. They were pretty bitter.

yes, progress slows to a crawl while the despots and their minions slice up the pie up....Haiti cannot rule itself...I suggested that nearly every woman and child be sent off the island for the time being, to ease the pressur but the consensus here was that it would be too difficult....maybe so, but nothing ventured, nothing gained

261 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:54:10am

re: #260 albusteve

yes, progress slows to a crawl while the despots and their minions slice up the pie up...Haiti cannot rule itself...I suggested that nearly every woman and child be sent off the island for the time being, to ease the pressur but the consensus here was that it would be too difficult...maybe so, but nothing ventured, nothing gained

Problem is, when is it fair to send them back? I'm assuming refugee camps in Florida or wherever would better than Haiti even for years... I agree though, the ball was dropped. The Haitian government should have been given 'advisers', cholera due to Nepalese peace keepers? Isn't that the blind leading the blind in terms of development... Whole thing is a mess, just another feel good exercise for the West...

262 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:54:43am

re: #258 makeitstop

When I was a kid I used to help my pals swap engines and trannies out of old Fords and Chevies. But I look under the hood of cars nowadays and think 'No way I'm going near that with a wrench.' Too much peripheral stuff surrounding the engine. I'll leave it to the pros, thanks.

things have changed...in a lot of cases, you just plug in a new engine...linkages, fuel/coolant lines, electric and exhaust all made so that they are easy to get to and switch over...believe it or not, a few hours for a couple of guys...crate engines

263 M. Dubious  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:56:20am

re: #255 Walter L. Newton

I think your coup de grace is the multilayered denouement in which the fortunes of Deborah and Dr. Fried reverse!

264 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:57:16am

re: #258 makeitstop

When I was a kid I used to help my pals swap engines and trannies out of old Fords and Chevies. But I look under the hood of cars nowadays and think 'No way I'm going near that with a wrench.' Too much peripheral stuff surrounding the engine. I'll leave it to the pros, thanks.

I've kept a 73 Land Rover going for the last 8 years. I won't bother with anything made after 1980.

265 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:57:51am

re: #261 McSpiff

Problem is, when is it fair to send them back? I'm assuming refugee camps in Florida or wherever would better than Haiti even for years... I agree though, the ball was dropped. The Haitian government should have been given 'advisers', cholera due to Nepalese peace keepers? Isn't that the blind leading the blind in terms of development... Whole thing is a mess, just another feel good exercise for the West...

and the UN budgets billions every year to recognize and deal with these situations, it's what they are paid to do...so my question is, wtf?

266 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:59:36am

re: #254 albusteve

Apparently one of the few sources of revenue are taxes and fees on bringing in heavy equipment (ditch diggers, front end loaders, etc.) and that's slowing things down further. It's bizarre. The gov't there is broke - and broken. And I doubt that the US is interested in nation building - even though this is a country sorely in need of massive assistance to get it on a proper footing. We'll help them limp along and that'll be that.

Everyone has already moved on to the next international crisis, and the victims of last one are already being forgotten.

But there are aid groups that are still doing heavy lifting, like MSF (Doctors Without Borders) who are providing medical services to supplement the few surviving hospital facilities deal with the ongoing mess.

267 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:01:12am

re: #265 albusteve

and the UN budgets billions every year to recognize and deal with these situations, it's what they are paid to do...so my question is, wtf?

You can easily spend half a billion on think tanks deciding how to spend the other half... I would have supported applying the Monroe Doctrine to Haiti. The United States and Canada lead, Haitian government and UN get out of the way...

268 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:03:46am

re: #264 Decatur Deb

I've kept a 73 Land Rover going for the last 8 years. I won't bother with anything made after 1980.

As an 87 model, I find this hurtful :(

269 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:04:27am

re: #266 lawhawk

Apparently one of the few sources of revenue are taxes and fees on bringing in heavy equipment (ditch diggers, front end loaders, etc.) and that's slowing things down further. It's bizarre. The gov't there is broke - and broken. And I doubt that the US is interested in nation building - even though this is a country sorely in need of massive assistance to get it on a proper footing. We'll help them limp along and that'll be that.

Everyone has already moved on to the next international crisis, and the victims of last one are already being forgotten.

But there are aid groups that are still doing heavy lifting, like MSF (Doctors Without Borders) who are providing medical services to supplement the few surviving hospital facilities deal with the ongoing mess.

all true, I'm not sure an undertaking like the one needed down there is even possible in this day and age...and Doctors Without Borders are cool beyond words....my exwife is trying to get a position with them in Africa next year

270 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:07:21am

re: #263 harald

I think your coup de grace is the multilayered denouement in which the fortunes of Deborah and Dr. Fried reverse!

Thanks. Yes... my "version" of the story goes beyond the book, by about 7 years, and yes, Dr. Frieda Fromm-Reichmann's career did take a turn for the worst. She was fighting what she saw as the intrusion of drug only therapy, and she saw that as both wrong and a threat to the careers of intensive psychoanalyst.

I layered the book story about "Deborah" with the bio of Dr. Frieda Fromm-Reichmann by Dr. Gail Hornstein to give a sort of "the rest of the story" version of the material.

271 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:10:38am

Ok... who is an expert with Apple/Itune apps.

Apparently, Itunes does not offer refunds for apps that just don't work. It's the developers problem to make good. Anyway... I have this app I purchased last night, buggy as a pile of shit, and there is Nothing on the developers support page/web site except the words "it works!" as if this fool just learned how to write simple HTML and was announcing it to the world.

Does anyone know if I have any recourse? Because I can't find anything at Itunes web site that helps?

272 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:10:55am

re: #269 albusteve

I started donating to them last year in the wake of the quake, and will follow up with donations this year. They do some pretty amazing work around the world, and their overhead is pretty low considering - which means that a very high percentage of what's donated gets spent on providing medical assistance.

273 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:12:06am

re: #221 sattv4u2

Gave up picking up women, huh?

Only the kind who turn into a pizza at midnight...

274 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:12:30am

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

Ok... who is an expert with Apple/Itune apps.

Apparently, Itunes does not offer refunds for apps that just don't work. It's the developers problem to make good. Anyway... I have this app I purchased last night, buggy as a pile of shit, and there is Nothing on the developers support page/web site except the words "it works!" as if this fool just learned how to write simple HTML and was announcing it to the world.

Does anyone know if I have any recourse? Because I can't find anything at Itunes web site that helps?

I've heard people have had success with this process, haven't tried it myself so I can't say for sure...

275 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:12:58am

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

Ok... who is an expert with Apple/Itune apps.

Apparently, Itunes does not offer refunds for apps that just don't work. It's the developers problem to make good. Anyway... I have this app I purchased last night, buggy as a pile of shit, and there is Nothing on the developers support page/web site except the words "it works!" as if this fool just learned how to write simple HTML and was announcing it to the world.

Does anyone know if I have any recourse? Because I can't find anything at Itunes web site that helps?

And forgot the link... [Link: osxdaily.com...]

276 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:13:07am

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

I have no idea, but we do appreciate the heads up. D_L has that new Ipad.
Hey Walter, you cutting anything these days?

277 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:14:03am

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

Ok... who is an expert with Apple/Itune apps.

Apparently, Itunes does not offer refunds for apps that just don't work. It's the developers problem to make good. Anyway... I have this app I purchased last night, buggy as a pile of shit, and there is Nothing on the developers support page/web site except the words "it works!" as if this fool just learned how to write simple HTML and was announcing it to the world.

Does anyone know if I have any recourse? Because I can't find anything at Itunes web site that helps?

Here's an article that might be useful.

Guy apparently succeeded in getting a refund.

278 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:15:54am

re: #274 McSpiff

I've heard people have had success with this process, haven't tried it myself so I can't say for sure...

I'll look at that link in a moment. I've been researching the developers URL and such, his server is located in China, and I suspect it's a scam, or at least someone who is more concerned with his/her 2.99 deposits in his/her account than whether the app is stable.

I didn't know it was so easy to make money. I need to get a Mac, a Iphone SDK and a spot on Itunes... I have idea for a ton of apps that don't work.

279 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:16:08am

re: #272 lawhawk

I started donating to them last year in the wake of the quake, and will follow up with donations this year. They do some pretty amazing work around the world, and their overhead is pretty low considering - which means that a very high percentage of what's donated gets spent on providing medical assistance.

they are the Delta team of care givers, and tough to get into as well...good for you

280 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:19:34am

re: #278 Walter L. Newton

I'll look at that link in a moment. I've been researching the developers URL and such, his server is located in China, and I suspect it's a scam, or at least someone who is more concerned with his/her 2.99 deposits in his/her account than whether the app is stable.

I didn't know it was so easy to make money. I need to get a Mac, a Iphone SDK and a spot on Itunes... I have idea for a ton of apps that don't work.

Can always setup a hackingtosh if you don't mind violating the EULA on OS X.

281 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:27:19am

re: #280 McSpiff

Can always setup a hackingtosh if you don't mind violating the EULA on OS X.

I'm not interested in hacking anything up... I don't even know what you are talking about.

282 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:29:18am

re: #275 McSpiff

Your link redirects to the a Itunes page with multiple confusing options... I guess they got tired of people directly finding their support form.

re: #277 reine.de.tout

Your link went directly to a support form. I filled it out, we'll see what happens.

283 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:29:47am

re: #165 albusteve

BO is out of DC 48% of the time, mostly enjoying himself?...

Afghanistan to talk troop levels, South Korean military talks, singapores pan-asian/pacific economic co-operation conferences (to help america garner more trade & jobs).

Wooo!!!!
my idea of a vacation.

284 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:31:34am

re: #281 Walter L. Newton

I'm not interested in hacking anything up... I don't even know what you are talking about.

I think he's suggesting that instead of getting an iMac to develop on, you install OS-X on a generic Intel box, like the one you're using now.

285 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:32:16am

anyways, morning/afternoon/evening as appropriate.

catcha all later.

286 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:32:18am

re: #281 Walter L. Newton

I'm not interested in hacking anything up... I don't even know what you are talking about.

Hackintosh - Standard x86 hardware (Dell, etc) running Apple's OS X operating system.

287 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:32:57am

re: #283 wozzablog

DC is an echo chamber and I don't have problems with any president spending time away from DC at whatever site they want. They are all in constant contact and are surrounding with access to who ever they need 24/7/365.

The idea that they have vacation time is silly - not when they can and do work from wherever they may be.

288 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:33:12am

re: #197 Sergey Romanov

[Link: whitenoiseinsanity.com...]

Whoa, dude.

Kay wrote that herself or was that some random poster on her blog?

I'm at work, I'm not clicking on a link that contains that shit.

289 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:35:34am

And on a related topic. I'm a software developer. I can recognize intelligently designed application and websites.

Apples Itunes store, Apples web site and Itunes itself are applications what have gotten out of control, it's a mishmash of developers bits and pieces of added functionality, with no consideration to a consistent interface, functions, usability and so on.

It's all spaghetti, patches, band aids and slow and kludgy. Someone at Apple needs to consider spending some time and money to redesign FROM THE BOTTOM UP, these applications and websites... and while they are at it, they need to consider that about 80 PERCENT OF THE SYSTEMS IN THE WORLD ARE RUNNING WINDOWS.

You would almost think that Apple thinks if their applications and website are design to act stupid on a windows machine, that you will go out and buy Mac.

Sorry Stevie... won't work.

290 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:35:42am

re: #288 Alouette

Whoa, dude.

Kay wrote that herself or was that some random poster on her blog?

I'm at work, I'm not clicking on a link that contains that shit.

All Kay. :-(

291 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:36:12am

re: #287 lawhawk

DC is an echo chamber and I don't have problems with any president spending time away from DC at whatever site they want. They are all in constant contact and are surrounding with access to who ever they need 24/7/365.

The idea that they have vacation time is silly - not when they can and do work from wherever they may be.

If you are in the National Command Authority, you are never off the clock.

292 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:36:25am

re: #283 wozzablog

Afghanistan to talk troop levels, South Korean military talks, singapores pan-asian/pacific economic co-operation conferences (to help america garner more trade & jobs).

Wooo!!!
my idea of a vacation.

well now all that is behind him and this year he can settle down and reflect directly with the American people and learn what we are thinking...it's called campaigning for office

293 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:36:27am

re: #288 Alouette

Whoa, dude.

Kay wrote that herself or was that some random poster on her blog?

I'm at work, I'm not clicking on a link that contains that shit.

If she didn't write it, she sure glorified it

(ImagedonebyKayInMaineofWhiteNoiseInsanity)

294 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:36:27am

So I'm back from a student-business trip to Bacolod and the first thing I'm doing is reading Jared Lee Loughner's article on Encyclopedia Dramatica.

Also, I have also been forum-mates with a person that openly stated that the US forces in Haiti were fortifying wealthy neighborhoods and building up a possible vector for an invasion of Cuba.

Anyway, what's new?

295 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:36:37am

re: #288 Alouette

Whoa, dude.

Kay wrote that herself or was that some random poster on her blog?

I'm at work, I'm not clicking on a link that contains that shit.

Since I work at a university, I fear no link...
I'm not sure if Kay wrote the post herself, but the comments she posted on it are bad enough.

296 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:36:46am

re: #288 Alouette

Whoa, dude.

Kay wrote that herself or was that some random poster on her blog?

I'm at work, I'm not clicking on a link that contains that shit.

I clicked it.
It appears, yes, to have been written by kayinmaine herself.

297 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:37:15am

Doodz...

[Link: whitenoiseinsanity.com...]

Posted November 9, 2009 by KayInMaine. Comments and trackbacks are closed.

298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:37:25am

re: #140 KayInMaine

Because I don't believe he actually existed and I don't like giving credit to it. Is that okay with you, fellow-Atheist, or do I need to submit to your demands to spell jesus the way you do?

But, you capitalize "Athiest".

I have Athiest friends (I am a Christian) they're at least respectful about others' faith.

299 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:37:36am

re: #288 Alouette

re: #290 Sergey Romanov

And another

Why is it Joe Lieberman the Jew can have two home countries but President Obama cannot?
[Link: whitenoiseinsanity.com...]

300 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:37:47am

re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OUCH

301 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:37:53am

re: #286 McSpiff

Hackintosh - Standard x86 hardware (Dell, etc) running Apple's OS X operating system.

Well, if Macs can dual-boot Windows...

302 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:38:12am

re: #284 b_sharp

re: #286 McSpiff

Got it... I don't pay any attention to the hackers world, so a lot of these terms escape me.

303 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:39:31am
304 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:39:54am

re: #289 Walter L. Newton

And on a related topic. I'm a software developer. I can recognize intelligently designed application and websites.

Apples Itunes store, Apples web site and Itunes itself are applications what have gotten out of control, it's a mishmash of developers bits and pieces of added functionality, with no consideration to a consistent interface, functions, usability and so on.

It's all spaghetti, patches, band aids and slow and kludgy. Someone at Apple needs to consider spending some time and money to redesign FROM THE BOTTOM UP, these applications and websites... and while they are at it, they need to consider that about 80 PERCENT OF THE SYSTEMS IN THE WORLD ARE RUNNING WINDOWS.

You would almost think that Apple thinks if their applications and website are design to act stupid on a windows machine, that you will go out and buy Mac.

Sorry Stevie... won't work.

I used to be a software developer and that was my first impression as well.

305 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:40:17am
306 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:40:38am
307 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:41:05am

re: #304 b_sharp

I used to be a software developer and that was my first impression as well.

Thanks... at 58, the software world has changed, and I always considered it was just "old fashioned" me... that at least helps me feel like it not just me... er... what if it is just US?

308 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:42:04am

re: #290 Sergey Romanov

All Kay. :-(

wow...that is some really bad, inflammatory, untrue, hurtful bullshit...she popped in earlier and gave me a real bad feeling....I cannot relate to such internet bloviating...it like weak, angry people have to go beyond the pale to find some inner security

309 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:43:36am

re: #305 Sergey Romanov

{sigh}

And here we were almost sure that teh crazy was all on the right!

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:43:41am

So, the wife had heaviness in the chest (NO BREAST JOKES!) with the numbness in the left arm yesterday at work, they admitted her to the hospital.

We don't know what's going on, but they're running a battery of tests on her this morning.

This is far from a perfect marriage, but, when I got the call yesterday morning (was out of town) felt like my world was collapsing.

311 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:43:42am
312 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:44:23am

re: #309 sattv4u2

{sigh}

And here we were almost sure that teh crazy was all on the right!

Well, maybe you were...

//

313 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:45:30am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, the wife had heaviness in the chest (NO BREAST JOKES!) with the numbness in the left arm yesterday at work, they admitted her to the hospital.

We don't know what's going on, but they're running a battery of tests on her this morning.

This is far from a perfect marriage, but, when I got the call yesterday morning (was out of town) felt like my world was collapsing.

{{{Fat Bastard Vegetarian}}}

314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:45:31am

re: #311 McSpiff

So, now that the price of oil is skyrocketing, they're saying that our President does not care about our country enough to blow the oil sheiks? IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT!

315 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:45:35am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, the wife had heaviness in the chest (NO BREAST JOKES!) with the numbness in the left arm yesterday at work, they admitted her to the hospital.

We don't know what's going on, but they're running a battery of tests on her this morning.

This is far from a perfect marriage, but, when I got the call yesterday morning (was out of town) felt like my world was collapsing.

Damn FBV ,,, MEGA Prayers and thoughts to you and her

316 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:45:59am

re: #309 sattv4u2

{sigh}

And here we were almost sure that teh crazy was all on the right!

And when Rep. Pelosi throws a fundraiser for her, I'll be very depressed.

317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:46:03am

re: #313 Walter L. Newton

Thanks, pal. I needed that.

318 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:46:22am

re: #317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks, pal. I needed that.

That was in a "manly way" :)

319 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:46:29am

re: #311 McSpiff

good grief...why do people need to say such crap?...makes them seem edgy and hip these days I guess...I doubt she will be back, but if she is I hope I'm logged in

320 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:47:03am

re: #312 Sergey Romanov

Well, maybe you were...

//

shhh,,,, actually, not so much!

But NO Magic Balance Fairy needed now that the Kat(y) isout of the bag!

321 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:47:08am

Good Morning (or whatever time it is you). Anyway, I just stumbled on this story.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Summary: Hezbollah wants more power in Lebanon. I think we all see the problem here.

322 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:47:17am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, the wife had heaviness in the chest (NO BREAST JOKES!) with the numbness in the left arm yesterday at work, they admitted her to the hospital.

We don't know what's going on, but they're running a battery of tests on her this morning.

This is far from a perfect marriage, but, when I got the call yesterday morning (was out of town) felt like my world was collapsing.


That's scary, but if she got to the docs, the scariest is over.

323 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:47:19am

FBV,

I know I'm a n00b here and everything, but I'm hoping for the best for your wife. I know what it's like to get one of those calls.

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:47:23am

re: #318 Walter L. Newton

"A Frame" hug back!

325 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:47:26am

re: #307 Walter L. Newton

Thanks... at 58, the software world has changed, and I always considered it was just "old fashioned" me... that at least helps me feel like it not just me... er... what if it is just US?

We start a new band called "Band-aid Solutions" and put out software for geeks.

I can remember coding for DOS where every extra bit of code cost the system, so you had to be mindful of keeping code lean and mean. Now they just throw whatever shit together and to hell with streamlining.

326 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:47:44am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hope she's doing better and that it isn't anything serious.

327 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:48:02am

re: #307 Walter L. Newton

Thanks... at 58, the software world has changed, and I always considered it was just "old fashioned" me... that at least helps me feel like it not just me... er... what if it is just US?

I'm 23. My main IDE is Emacs, my language preference is C or Common Lisp, and I do my documentation in a TeX derivative (well, sort of. I use emacs's amazing org-mode to generate latex or html) and my workstation is UNIX. New != Better.

328 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:48:02am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, the wife had heaviness in the chest (NO BREAST JOKES!) with the numbness in the left arm yesterday at work, they admitted her to the hospital.

We don't know what's going on, but they're running a battery of tests on her this morning.

This is far from a perfect marriage, but, when I got the call yesterday morning (was out of town) felt like my world was collapsing.

hang on....cardiac stuff is a piece of cake these days, smart move to have her admitted....chin up bro

329 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:48:02am

I just saw the latest stupidity from The Quitter. I don't even know what to say abut how anyone could use that phrase like that.

330 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:48:05am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Upding of support. O:

331 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:48:35am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, the wife had heaviness in the chest (NO BREAST JOKES!) with the numbness in the left arm yesterday at work, they admitted her to the hospital.

We don't know what's going on, but they're running a battery of tests on her this morning.

This is far from a perfect marriage, but, when I got the call yesterday morning (was out of town) felt like my world was collapsing.

Wow. Keep us informed, will you?

332 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:48:53am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

{{{FBV}}}

333 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:49:08am

re: #305 Sergey Romanov

Seems she's got some serious problems. Wouldn't link to her except via cache...

334 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:49:18am

re: #327 McSpiff

I'm 23.

Born in what month?

/holds Youngest Active Lizard tiara close

335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:49:19am

re: #326 lawhawk

When I got there (four hours later) she was sitting in bed eating. Looked like she was there for a manicure. So, I'm guessing she's okay.

But during a three hour drive on your way to the hospital to see your wife, praying that the snow will hold off, all kinds of things happen in your brain.

336 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:49:28am

re: #305 Sergey Romanov

This:

Really? Isn’t America all about Israel? Everything they want and everything they do we don’t question.

...sounds like it could have lifted right off the pages of Stormfront.

337 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:49:32am

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, now that the price of oil is skyrocketing, they're saying that our President does not care about our country enough to blow the oil sheiks? IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT!

Heh glad your sense of humor hasn't gone anywhere. Thinking of you guys bud.

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:49:55am

re: #328 albusteve

hang on...cardiac stuff is a piece of cake these days, smart move to have her admitted...chin up bro

She works in a hospital. Great place to be if your ticker gets pissed at you.

339 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:49:58am

re: #327 McSpiff

I'm 23. My main IDE is Emacs, my language preference is C or Common Lisp, and I do my documentation in a TeX derivative (well, sort of. I use emacs's amazing org-mode to generate latex or html) and my workstation is UNIX. New != Better.

23!....but you sound like a 12 year old
jus kidding

340 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:50:16am

re: #334 laZardo

Born in what month?

/holds Youngest Active Lizard tiara close

December 1987.

341 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:50:25am

re: #333 lawhawk

Seems she's got some serious problems. Wouldn't link to her except via cache...

good call

342 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:50:55am

re: #340 McSpiff

December 1987.

July '87.

CURSE YOOOUUU~

343 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:51:30am

re: #340 McSpiff

December 1987.

Damn,, I have shoes older than you!

344 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:51:37am

re: #339 albusteve

23!...but you sound like a 12 year old
jus kidding

Heh, so I'm about average for this joint? Jokes, jokes...

345 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:52:07am

re: #334 laZardo

June 1990. I think I win. Not even old enough to drink.

346 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:52:09am

re: #333 lawhawk

Seems she's got some serious problems. Wouldn't link to her except via cache...

Great advice

CHARLES ,, sorry ,, scrub my links to Kay

347 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:52:57am

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When I got there (four hours later) she was sitting in bed eating. Looked like she was there for a manicure. So, I'm guessing she's okay.

But during a three hour drive on your way to the hospital to see your wife, praying that the snow will hold off, all kinds of things happen in your brain.

The scariest stories are always the one you tell yourself.

She'll do better now that you're there.

348 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:52:58am

re: #325 b_sharp

We start a new band called "Band-aid Solutions" and put out software for geeks.

I can remember coding for DOS where every extra bit of code cost the system, so you had to be mindful of keeping code lean and mean. Now they just throw whatever shit together and to hell with streamlining.

I remember coding for COBOL, where every position in a RECORD was important to disk space management. I remember having fields in a table where you had 3 or 4 pieces of data, in a sequential string, and you had to positionally parse out the data element you needed, and push something back into the string of data positionally.

Try following a data dictionary with all that craziness. Try debugging undocumented legacy code when you had to deal with programming techniques like that. The modern day geek don't even know how easy they have it.

I remember when we had to code UPHILL, both ways...

349 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:53:05am

re: #336 publicityStunted

This:

...sounds like it could have lifted right off the pages of Stormfront.

Charles isn't gonna like what he sees if he snoops around

350 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:53:24am

re: #343 sattv4u2

Damn,, I have shoes older than you!

LOL

351 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:53:40am

re: #345 ProLifeLiberal

June 1990. I think I win. Not even old enough to drink.

...I feel old now. ;_;

352 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:53:53am

re: #346 sattv4u2

Great advice

CHARLES ,, sorry ,, scrub my links to Kay

Same goes for any of my quotes... and all the weird vaguely anti-Semitic stuff I posted was Kay quotes, I didn't hit my head in the last 20 minutes or anything.

353 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:54:17am

re: #345 ProLifeLiberal

June 1990. I think I win. Not even old enough to drink.

Stay off my lawn.

354 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:54:29am

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When I got there (four hours later) she was sitting in bed eating. Looked like she was there for a manicure. So, I'm guessing she's okay.

But during a three hour drive on your way to the hospital to see your wife, praying that the snow will hold off, all kinds of things happen in your brain.

Hope all turns out well, FBV. Thinking of you & wife.

355 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:55:17am

re: #352 McSpiff

vaguely anti-Semitic stuff

VAGUELY !?!?!?!

356 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:55:45am

re: #348 Walter L. Newton

I remember when we had to code UPHILL, both ways...

Through the snow, carrying the mainframe on your back...

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:56:34am

re: #345 ProLifeLiberal

June 1990. I think I win. Not even old enough to drink.

And too young for us to take you seriously.
/

358 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:57:20am

re: #355 sattv4u2


vaguely anti-Semitic stuff

VAGUELY !?!?!?!

Err, you're right, not sure why I put that in there. "Hate Cult" wasn't exactly subtle... Just don't shoot the messenger kay?

(its never too serious for a pun right?)

359 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:57:21am

Today has been set aside to honor the victims of the Tucson massacre. And Sarah Palin has apparently decided she's one of them.

--Josh Marshall

360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:57:27am

re: #342 laZardo

August '62! Hah!

oh.

361 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:57:55am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh man, that sucks. And eeirly coincidentally, my brother had atrial fibrillation yesterday. Nothing serious, hopefully, treatable with medication, but scary.

And the poor guy can never catch a break: he went into the hospital, and the team set up the defibrillator on his chest, and then left to go get the sedative. Meanwhile, someone came into the room to test the defibrillator-- not realizing he was hooked up. So yeah, he got shocked without any sedation whatsoever.

I hope the prognosis for your wife is as good as it is for my brother.

And remember to be good to yourself, too.

362 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:58:16am

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And too young for us to take you seriously.
/

Well, you just don't know what its like being me!

Slams bedroom door, sobs

363 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:58:20am

re: #360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

August '62! Hah!

oh.

November '53

WWHHHHAAAAAA!!!

364 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:58:31am

re: #346 sattv4u2

Great advice

CHARLES ,, sorry ,, scrub my links to Kay

It's bad but I don't think "no link in any circumstances" bad. It's fair to link to point these things out. Besides, LGF comments are not seen by Google and other search engines, so our links don't add to external sites' PageRank.

365 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:58:43am

re: #359 Stanley Sea

I do not think she (or whoever wrote that for her) realizes how incredibly crass and stupid it is to use 'blood libel' in that context. What were they thinking?

366 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:58:44am

re: #360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

August '62! Hah!

oh.

Jeez, yer just a youngin'.

August '55.

367 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:59:07am

re: #364 Sergey Romanov

It's bad but I don't think "no link in any circumstances" bad. It's fair to link to point these things out. Besides, LGF comments are not seen by Google and other search engines, so our links don't add to external sites' PageRank.

Still, I doubt Charles will want it attached to one of our posts!

368 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:59:15am

re: #358 McSpiff

Err, you're right, not sure why I put that in there. "Hate Cult" wasn't exactly subtle... Just don't shoot the messenger kay?

(its never too serious for a pun right?)

HateCult was about "ConservaNazis".

369 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:59:45am

re: #366 b_sharp

Jeez, yer just a youngin'.

August '55.

August '53. Yep, I is a fossil.

370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:59:55am

re: #361 Obdicut

Did he get the sed-a-give?

371 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:00:07am

re: #364 Sergey Romanov

I think they're disappearing.

372 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:00:09am

re: #363 sattv4u2

You're almost as old as my dad. 0:

373 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:00:25am

re: #363 sattv4u2

November '53

WWHHHAAA!!!

You stay off my lawn, too. And take your punk friends with you.

374 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:01:02am

re: #368 Sergey Romanov

HateCult was about "ConservaNazis".

Hmmm you may be right actually... woops. Still a pretty disgusting remark either way

375 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:01:08am

re: #369 makeitstop

August '53. Yep, I is a fossil.

Sure a lot of 50 somethings here. Have we all retired young?

376 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:01:19am

re: #359 Stanley Sea

And apparently, Palin is a little too thick-skulled to know what Blood Libel is. A two minute search of Wikipedia would have shown that. Hopefully, the media will point out what Blood Libel actually is.

377 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:01:32am

re: #374 McSpiff

Hmmm you may be right actually... woops. Still a pretty disgusting remark either way

Hitler was a leftist!!!

378 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:02:02am

re: #372 laZardo

You're almost as old as my dad. 0:

Take that back. Don't be insulting us old folks.

379 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:02:05am

re: #376 ProLifeLiberal

And apparently, Palin is a little too thick-skulled to know what Blood Libel is. A two minute search of Wikipedia would have shown that. Hopefully, the media will point out what Blood Libel actually is.


She uses the blood of dead liberals to bake her caribou casserole?

380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:03:07am

re: #379 ralphieboy

Too Hamas.
/

381 darthstar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:03:12am

AZ Republicans are afraid of their own party and especially the Tea Party:

In an e-mail sent a few hours after Saturday's massacre in Tucson that killed six and injured 13, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Miller told state Republican Party Chairman Randy Pullen he was quitting: "Today my wife of 20 yrs ask (sic) me do I think that my PCs (Precinct Committee members) will shoot at our home? So with this being said I am stepping down from LD20GOP Chairman...I will make a full statement on Monday."

382 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:03:20am

re: #379 ralphieboy

She uses the blood of dead liberals to bake her caribou casserole?

Remind me never to go to Alaska.

Ever.

383 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:03:26am

re: #376 ProLifeLiberal

And apparently, Palin is a little too thick-skulled.

You don't say.

384 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:03:38am

re: #376 ProLifeLiberal

And apparently, Palin is a little too thick-skulled to know what Blood Libel is. A two minute search of Wikipedia would have shown that. Hopefully, the media will point out what Blood Libel actually is.

Oh they are. It's actually a trending twitter hash tag at the moment.

385 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:03:42am

re: #376 ProLifeLiberal

And apparently, Palin is a little too thick-skulled to know what Blood Libel is. A two minute search of Wikipedia would have shown that. Hopefully, the media will point out what Blood Libel actually is.

Her handlers know. She fastens onto expressions like a brilliant parrot.

386 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:03:59am

Sorry for making a mess Charles..

387 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:04:55am

re: #386 McSpiff

Sorry for making a mess Charles..

The bucket and the mop are in the second hall closet. You better get busy.

388 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:05:49am

re: #381 darthstar

I can see why he'd be worried.

No, really.

389 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:06:03am

re: #381 darthstar

AZ Republicans are afraid of their own party and especially the Tea Party:

a silver lining?re: #382 laZardo

Remind me never to go to Alaska.

Ever.

so you submit to Palins influence?

390 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:06:08am

re: #386 McSpiff

re: #387 b_sharp

The bucket and the mop are in the second hall closet. You better get busy.

And while you're at it, the windows in my house need cleaning!

391 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:06:18am

re: #371 Obdicut

Charles knows, so it's all good.

392 darthstar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:06:53am

re: #388 laZardo

I can see why he'd be worried.

No, really.

Three other precinct board members quit with him. They're forfeiting to the teabaggers rather than work with them. AZ is fucked up.

393 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:07:05am

re: #387 b_sharp

Bucket and mop? I'm thinking toothbrush. /

394 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:07:22am

re: #381 darthstar

AZ Republicans are afraid of their own party and especially the Tea Party:

whoops....can this be a silver lining?...can republicans take this shit into their own hands and move against it?....I say they can

395 darthstar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:08:00am

re: #382 laZardo

Remind me never to go to Alaska.

Ever.

Alaska's a beautiful state. There are some nice folks up there too...and then there's Sarah Palin.

396 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:08:21am

re: #393 lawhawk

Bucket and mop? I'm thinking toothbrush. /

I don't care what McSpiff uses, as long as the toilet is clean.

397 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:08:32am

re: #375 b_sharp

Sure a lot of 50 somethings here. Have we all retired young?

Retired? Nope. Just taking a snow day and goofing off, which is funny because I work from home. I get the feeling my clients didn't get to their respective offices today.

398 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:08:39am

re: #365 Obdicut

I do not think she (or whoever wrote that for her) realizes how incredibly crass and stupid it is to use 'blood libel' in that context. What were they thinking?

[Link: twitter.com...]

A quick 'blood libel' thought. Palin's aides, including @thegoldfarb, get the context -- so this is a pot being stirred, not an accident...
399 darthstar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:09:07am

re: #394 albusteve

whoops...can this be a silver lining?...can republicans take this shit into their own hands and move against it?...I say they can

By running away and giving the keys to their most unbalanced members? Good luck with that.

400 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:09:16am

re: #395 darthstar

Alaska's a beautiful state. There are some nice folks up there too...and then there's Sarah Palin.

Beautiful plumage.

401 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:09:22am

re: #394 albusteve

whoops...can this be a silver lining?...can republicans take this shit into their own hands and move against it?...I say they can

It's theirs to do. They'll likely find it's easier to release a monster than to cage one.

402 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:10:02am

re: #371 Obdicut

I think they're disappearing.

re: #391 Sergey Romanov

Charles knows, so it's all good.

Me Thinks one Lizard from the Great State of Maine will soon be also!

403 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:10:24am

re: #385 Decatur Deb

Of course, she never realizes that what she is saying makes her sound incredibly ignorant. And now, I think she may have really screwed up. This falls under "I do not think it means what you think it means."

404 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:10:25am

re: #392 darthstar

Three other precinct board members quit with him. They're forfeiting to the teabaggers rather than work with them. AZ is fucked up.

I was actually saying it's (also?) because he's black. And nothing good will happen if/when he's on the receiving end of the Tea Party's wrath.

There, I said it.

405 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:10:42am

re: #399 darthstar

By running away and giving the keys to their most unbalanced members? Good luck with that.

but that's a very pessimistic way of looking at it...they need to stand back, look around and regroup...it could mean something positive

406 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:11:20am

re: #405 albusteve

but that's a very pessimistic way of looking at it...they need to stand back, look around and regroup...it could mean something positive

Sarah Palin 2012?

Well, if the Mayans saw the end of an age as a chance for real rebirth...

407 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:11:32am

re: #164 Sergey Romanov

Well, sometimes these little things can tell one whether or not it makes sense to continue with the person. I don't know if it's like that to you, but misspelling Jesus' name out of some strange principle is pretty weird for an adult, so that makes at least me wonder what else do you have in store.

But I was right, wasn't I?

/// strokes ego


Wait, don't mean it that way!!1

;-)

408 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:11:39am

eh?
What's this about?
Lebanon's government falls as Hezbollah pulls out

409 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:11:54am

re: #406 laZardo

Sarah Palin 2012?

Well, if the Mayans saw the end of an age as a chance for real rebirth...

I don't get you

410 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:12:01am

re: #397 makeitstop

Retired? Nope. Just taking a snow day and goofing off, which is funny because I work from home. I get the feeling my clients didn't get to their respective offices today.

I work from home twice a week and I'm on the road the rest of the time, but I always have my laptop connected to the Internet so I can poke my head in here at some rather odd times.

Like now.

Steve, could you please go put some pants on?

411 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:12:04am

re: #402 sattv4u2

re: #391 Sergey Romanov

Me Thinks one Lizard from the Great State of Maine will soon be also!

lol but shes just like a fun loving liberal atheist you know? Who cares about that jesus guy, only nasty rethuglicans believe that fairy tail!!!!

412 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:12:14am

re: #402 sattv4u2

This whole thing with KayinMaine reminds me the Barrett Brown stuff last month. Does anyone else get the same feeling from this?

413 avanti  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:12:53am

re: #154 000G

Anybody noted Palin's statement yet?

Video:

[Video]Transcript:
[Link: www.facebook.com...]

I just put up page about it;

Blood libel.

414 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:13:04am

re: #409 albusteve

I don't get you

You said

they need to stand back, look around and regroup...it could mean something positive

and I probably forgot to add the sarc slash.

415 darthstar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:13:37am

re: #404 laZardo

I was actually saying it's (also?) because he's black. And nothing good will happen if/when he's on the receiving end of the Tea Party's wrath.

There, I said it.

I almost said it, but I caught your drift. It can't be easy being a black Republican.

416 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:13:40am

re: #412 ProLifeLiberal

This whole thing with KayinMaine reminds me the Barrett Brown stuff last month. Does anyone else get the same feeling from this?

He had a silent acolyte--"Alphagirl" or something.

417 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:13:59am

re: #408 reine.de.tout

Hezbollah was almost certainly involved in the assassination of Rafik Hariri. His son, who's head of government, was cooperating with the UN investigation, that would almost certainly reveal this. So they're bringing the country down into chaos rather than be revealed as assassins.

418 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:14:23am


Repeat of a negative Arctic Oscillation leads to warm Arctic, low sea ice extent

Arctic sea ice extent averaged over December 2010 was 12.00 million square kilometers (4.63 million square miles). This is the lowest December ice extent recorded in satellite observations from 1979 to 2010, 270,000 square kilometers (104,000 square miles) below the previous record low of 12.27 million square kilometers (4.74 million square miles) set in 2006 and 1.35 million square kilometers (521,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average.

Image: 20110105_Figure3.png

419 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:14:27am

re: #416 Decatur Deb

Yeah, that was weird.

420 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:14:32am

re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wife's in the hospital, guys. Gonna go visit her.

Y'all figure out the world, I'll see you in a bit.

Sending strength and healing vibes your way.

421 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:14:42am

re: #417 Obdicut

Hezbollah was almost certainly involved in the assassination of Rafik Hariri. His son, who's head of government, was cooperating with the UN investigation, that would almost certainly reveal this. So they're bringing the country down into chaos rather than be revealed as assassins.

Oh hell.

422 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:14:44am

re: #408 reine.de.tout


Upset that the investigation into Hariri's death in 2005 will probably implicate them. More disturbing is the fact that they had drills last year on taking over the government by force.

423 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:15:07am

re: #416 Decatur Deb

He had a silent acolyte--"Alphagirl" or something.

I think that may have been his girlfriend.

424 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:15:22am

re: #412 ProLifeLiberal

This whole thing with KayinMaine reminds me the Barrett Brown stuff last month. Does anyone else get the same feeling from this?

Eh, I think its pretty common. Some people don't realize how far out of the norm their beliefs fall.

425 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:15:25am

re: #408 reine.de.tout

If Hizbullah can't get what it wants by hook, it tries crook.

Could be one of two things - demanding more concessions from PM Hariri and/or preparing for another confrontation with Israel.

In either case, Hizbullah is still armed and violating UN SCR 1701 that calls for the disarmament of all militias operating in Lebanon.

Bad jobu for the Lebanese.

426 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:16:22am

re: #421 reine.de.tout

Oh hell.

I think it is likely that they will try to force the Prime Minister to resign, if they don't mount an all-out coup.

427 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:16:38am

re: #424 McSpiff

Eh, I think its pretty common. Some people don't realize how far out of the norm their beliefs fall.

I don't know, I think they do.

Here's what I've been wondering - If she typed out Jack and Jill went up a hill . . .
- would she lowercase the j's? I mean, after all, Jack & Jill did not really exist.

428 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:16:45am

re: #423 reine.de.tout

I think that may have been his girlfriend.

I'd hate to meet "Gammagirl".

429 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:17:02am

re: #340 McSpiff

December 1987.

My car is older than you.

430 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:18:18am

re: #429 Alouette

My car is older than you.

I just changed off some tires that were older than him.

431 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:18:29am

re: #428 Decatur Deb

Radioactive.... /

432 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:18:54am

re: #156 Obdicut

Right. You have no proof or reason to believe that at all. You just hate Obama, so you believe negative things about him regardless of any truth or proof to them.

Where does that get you? What's the payoff? I really don't get it.

The payoff is the high he gets from his hate and anger. All that adrenaline and other hormones flooding his body as the 'fight or flight' reflexes kick in.

I know. I used to be an anger addict myself.

433 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:19:00am

re: #425 lawhawk

If Hizbullah can't get what it wants by hook, it tries crook.

Could be one of two things - demanding more concessions from PM Hariri and/or preparing for another confrontation with Israel.

In either case, Hizbullah is still armed and violating UN SCR 1701 that calls for the disarmament of all militias operating in Lebanon.

Bad jobu for the Lebanese.

The irony is that they also probably know that more carbombs will probably only make the March 14 Coalition (Hariri's bloc) stronger. Of course, now they know how to play regular dirty politics, the question is how much they can gain for themselves from that.

434 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:19:01am

re: #425 lawhawk

If Hizbullah can't get what it wants by hook, it tries crook.

Could be one of two things - demanding more concessions from PM Hariri and/or preparing for another confrontation with Israel.

In either case, Hizbullah is still armed and violating UN SCR 1701 that calls for the disarmament of all militias operating in Lebanon.

Bad jobu for the Lebanese.

yeah, layers upon layer of human shields all the way to Beirut

435 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:19:48am

re: #427 reine.de.tout

I don't know, I think they do.

Here's what I've been wondering - If she typed out Jack and Jill went up a hill . . .
- would she lowercase the j's? I mean, after all, Jack & Jill did not really exist.

That really bugged me. For some reason, people trying to 'prove' a point with language just drive me nuts. Refusing to capitalize Jesus, spelling it micro$oft, demoRATS... Just so childish and devoid of thought.

436 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:20:40am

re: #435 McSpiff

That really bugged me. For some reason, people trying to 'prove' a point with language just drive me nuts. Refusing to capitalize Jesus, spelling it micro$oft, demoRATS... Just so childish and devoid of thought.

100% agree.

437 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:20:54am

re: #432 Romantic Heretic

The payoff is the high he gets from his hate and anger. All that adrenaline and other hormones flooding his body as the 'fight or flight' reflexes kick in.

I know. I used to be an anger addict myself.

hahaha!...good one...so what do you call it when democrats criticize BO...any special psychology for that?...LOL

438 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:21:09am

re: #435 McSpiff

No, she was just trying to be as offensive as possible to Christians on here. Her doing that ticked me off too.

439 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:21:56am

re: #435 McSpiff

That really bugged me. For some reason, people trying to 'prove' a point with language just drive me nuts. Refusing to capitalize Jesus, spelling it micro$oft, demoRATS... Just so childish and devoid of thought.

teh ghey?...or whatever it is

440 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:22:00am

re: #435 McSpiff

As Sergey said, behavior like that is a good indication that the person isn't really available to be reasoned with. They're just cruising along on their own little mopeyped, hating all the way.

441 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:22:16am

re: #435 McSpiff

That really bugged me. For some reason, people trying to 'prove' a point with language just drive me nuts. Refusing to capitalize Jesus, spelling it micro$oft, demoRATS... Just so childish and devoid of thought.

I agree - mostly. I've always liked 'creatards'.

442 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:22:25am

re: #440 Obdicut

As Sergey said, behavior like that is a good indication that the person isn't really available to be reasoned with. They're just cruising along on their own little mopeyped, hating all the way.

"mopeyped"
LOL.

443 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:23:02am

re: #438 ProLifeLiberal

She was riding the line earlier, saying enough to be defensible but not crossing the line, and then decided to just jump the fuck over it with both feet.

And Poe's Law still applies; no way of really figuring out if she's a parody, or really thinks like that. And I use 'thinks' in the loosest possible sense.

444 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:23:09am

OT
I have a quick question for ya'll...
Is it common for schools like Cornell,Yale. and Harvard to send invitations to students that are excelling at local or state colleges??
My sons at the top of his classes.....I'm hoping the invites are something to be excited about!

445 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:23:40am

re: #439 albusteve

teh ghey?...or whatever it is

Nah. "Teh" is a harmless meme picked up from Gawker or Wonkette-like sites.

446 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:23:45am

re: #438 ProLifeLiberal

No, she was just trying to be as offensive as possible to Christians on here. Her doing that ticked me off too.

It's not difficult to be an atheist, even a strong atheist, without being offensive to religious folk.

447 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:24:13am

re: #444 reloadingisnotahobby

So the grad schools are sending him invitations?

448 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:24:21am

re: #444 reloadingisnotahobby

OT
I have a quick question for ya'll...
Is it common for schools like Cornell,Yale. and Harvard to send invitations to students that are excelling at local or state colleges??
My sons at the top of his classes...I'm hoping the invites are something to be excited about!

Yes, the invites are something to be excited about!
But they are invites, not acceptances, just keep that in mind as he applies to different places.

449 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:24:36am

re: #446 b_sharp

It's not difficult to be an atheist, even a strong atheist, without being offensive to religious folk.

Manners is hard.

450 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:24:47am

re: #443 Obdicut

She was riding the line earlier, saying enough to be defensible but not crossing the line, and then decided to just jump the fuck over it with both feet.

And Poe's Law still applies; no way of really figuring out if she's a parody, or really thinks like that. And I use 'thinks' in the loosest possible sense.

at 5am...stealthy eh?

451 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:25:09am

re: #445 Decatur Deb

Nah. "Teh" is a harmless meme picked up from Gawker or Wonkette-like sites.

okay

452 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:25:16am

re: #439 albusteve

teh ghey?...or whatever it is

That one I'll use mockingly. I've also seen people use 'ghey' as in bad, to differentiate it from 'gay' as in sexuality which I'll give some points for...

453 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:25:23am

re: #446 b_sharp

It's not difficult to be an atheist, even a strong atheist, without being offensive to religious folk.

I don't find atheists offensive.
I find people who try to poke your eye out with a stick to be offensive.
kayinmaine.

454 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:25:23am

re: #447 Obdicut
Yes ...by E-mail....??
..Or do they just spit them when good grades are scanned?

455 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:25:27am

re: #446 b_sharp

It's not difficult to be an atheist, even a strong atheist, without being offensive to religious folk.

I am such a goddamn atheists that I think Dawkins is a little on the weak side, and I don't think I've managed to offend any sincerely religious person here.

456 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:26:12am

re: #455 Obdicut

I am such a goddamn atheists that I think Dawkins is a little on the weak side, and I don't think I've managed to offend any sincerely religious person here.

no you haven't. Well, not about that.

457 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:26:19am

re: #455 Obdicut

I am such a goddamn atheists that I think Dawkins is a little on the weak side

You're more than one person?!

/grammar macht frei

458 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:26:43am

re: #435 McSpiff

That really bugged me. For some reason, people trying to 'prove' a point with language just drive me nuts. Refusing to capitalize Jesus, spelling it micro$oft, demoRATS... Just so childish and devoid of thought.

Is it still okay to say Co$?

459 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:27:01am

re: #452 McSpiff

That one I'll use mockingly. I've also seen people use 'ghey' as in bad, to differentiate it from 'gay' as in sexuality which I'll give some points for...

I'll try harder to keep up

460 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:27:20am

re: #454 reloadingisnotahobby

Yes ...by E-mail...??
..Or do they just spit them when good grades are scanned?

Well, I mean, it's good news because it means his grades are high enough to get noticed. If he's getting invitations that indicates specific knowledge about him-- like, what his degree will be in-- or comes from a specific program-- like the biological sciences program-- that's a great, great sign.

Otherwise, it's just a very good sign.

461 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:27:30am

re: #435 McSpiff

That really bugged me. For some reason, people trying to 'prove' a point with language just drive me nuts. Refusing to capitalize Jesus, spelling it micro$oft, demoRATS... Just so childish and devoid of thought.

I do use such insults from time to time, and I think I have used "rethugs". But it's the consistent, moonbatty use that is "diagnostic".

462 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:28:01am

re: #455 Obdicut

I am such a goddamn atheists that I think Dawkins is a little on the weak side, and I don't think I've managed to offend any sincerely religious person here.

I'm pretty much in the same boat, I hope. The only person I've insulted was another atheist, although I never understood what it was really about.

463 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:28:13am

re: #458 jamesfirecat

Is it still okay to say Co$?

heh....we need a list!

464 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:28:13am

re: #458 jamesfirecat

Is it still okay to say Co$?

You can say it, but you can't relay any information (to me) with it.

465 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:28:53am

re: #443 Obdicut

She was riding the line earlier, saying enough to be defensible but not crossing the line, and then decided to just jump the fuck over it with both feet.

And Poe's Law still applies; no way of really figuring out if she's a parody, or really thinks like that. And I use 'thinks' in the loosest possible sense.

She's not a parody, her blog goes way back. Just a convergence of stupidity and passion.

466 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:29:01am

re: #459 albusteve

I'll try harder to keep up

You're not going to make it as a hipster, Steve.

467 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:29:25am

re: #445 Decatur Deb

Nah. "Teh" is a harmless meme picked up from Gawker or Wonkette-like sites.

I thought it was originally from h4xx0r5p33k.

468 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:29:30am

re: #463 albusteve

heh...we need a list!

We need a li$t?

469 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:29:42am

re: #460 Obdicut

He is pre- med!!
Wants to go into the health and nutrition field and been slamming the Biology grade!!
...OK...Snoppy dance!
Hope no ones watching!!
Thanks all!

470 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:29:56am

re: #466 Decatur Deb

You're not going to make it as a hipster, Steve.

That was below the belt.

471 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:30:07am

More info on Lebanon:

BEIRUT— Lebanon's national unity government has collapsed after Hizbullah ministers and their allies resigned over a UN-backed tribunal investigating the assassination of former prime minister Rafik Hariri.

The state-run National News Agency announced Wednesday that 11 ministers were stepping down from the 30-member Cabinet headed by Western-backed Saad Hariri, the slain prime minister's son.

Hizbullah needed the backing of more than a third of the ministers to bring down the government.

The announcement took place as Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri was in the United States where he has been meeting with various US and United Nations officials.

US President Barack Obama was set to meet Wednesday with the Lebanese prime minister to discuss political tensions in his country stemming from the Hariri investigation, the White House said Tuesday.

The Hizbullah ministers had said they were planning to resign in the afternoon unless Western-backed Hariri — the son of the slain leader — agreed to their demand to convene an urgent Cabinet meeting over the tribunal crisis, Health Minister Mohammed Jawad Khalifeh said on Hizbullah 's Al-Manar TV.

Earlier in the week, Prime Minister Hariri said that he would "seek all means to reach solutions that can guarantee stability, calm and maintain national unity," Lebanon's Daily Star reported.

Hizbullah members are expected to be indicted by the Hariri tribunal, which will hand over its findings within "hours or days," according to a Wednesday report in Lebanese newspaper An Nahar.

Hizbullah has denounced the tribunal as an "Israeli project" and urged Hariri to reject any findings by the court, which has not yet announced any indictments.

472 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:30:36am

re: #460 Obdicut

Well, I mean, it's good news because it means his grades are high enough to get noticed. If he's getting invitations that indicates specific knowledge about him-- like, what his degree will be in-- or comes from a specific program-- like the biological sciences program-- that's a great, great sign.

Otherwise, it's just a very good sign.

high school or college?....either way, seems like scholarships would be involved...if so, what a windfall

473 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:30:38am

re: #458 jamesfirecat

Is it still okay to say Co$?

LOL, the second thing I thought of (after "rethugs"). As much as I dislike CoS, the "Co$" was annoying when I was hanging around the ARS IRC channels in the beginning of 2000s. As well as "clams".

474 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:31:00am

re: #459 albusteve

I'll try harder to keep up

Meh, personal preference. We all have our own writings styles and nearly any 'rule' I state will have exceptions. Some people just don't know how to debate or argue.

475 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:31:01am

re: #467 laZardo

I thought it was originally from h4xx0r5p33k.

Don't know that site(?). I'm not going to make it as a hipster, either.

476 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:31:27am

re: #466 Decatur Deb

You're not going to make it as a hipster, Steve.

does my lava lamp count for anything?

477 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:31:31am

re: #468 b_sharp

We need a li$t?

We need a Liszt.

Youtube Video
478 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:31:39am

Snowy Conditions Proving Hazardous For Nation's Idiots.

This article so perfectly captures what I saw on my morning commute to work.

479 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:31:55am

re: #467 laZardo

I thought it was originally from h4xx0r5p33k.

No, it was originally just a shot at people too busy yapping to check their typing and turned into a kind of sarcasm.

480 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:31:57am

re: #470 b_sharp

That was below the belt.

It's way to early for that kind of grabass.

481 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:32:05am

O ya, I also tend to use things like 'meh','heh' and 'eh' a lot. I'm sure that drives some people nuts...

482 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:33:16am

re: #478 Fozzie Bear

Snowy Conditions Proving Hazardous For Nation's Idiots.

This article so perfectly captures what I saw on my morning commute to work.

By the way... from the International News Desk...

"It's Winter."

483 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:33:31am

re: #481 McSpiff

O ya, I also tend to use things like 'meh','heh' and 'eh' a lot. I'm sure that drives some people nuts...

Only when you roll your eyes at the same time!!
I really hate that!!
LOL

484 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:33:34am

re: #481 McSpiff

O ya, I also tend to use things like 'meh','heh' and 'eh' a lot. I'm sure that drives some people nuts...

I do this....
...
...

485 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:34:32am

re: #480 Decatur Deb

It's way to early for that kind of grabass.

Looks like you're willing to bend over backwards for some early morning word play.

486 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:34:48am

re: #484 albusteve

I do this...
...
...

I think I've picked that up from you.

487 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:35:30am

re: #365 Obdicut

I do not think she (or whoever wrote that for her) realizes how incredibly crass and stupid it is to use 'blood libel' in that context. What were they thinking?

Yknow,

whether it was made out of ignorance or maliciously intended as pot-stirring,

will Palin be able to continue with her "judeo-christian" stick of painting herself as a good friend of the jewish people without walking back on her "blood libel" charge?

488 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:35:40am

re: #482 Walter L. Newton

For cryin out loud...Don't get snowed in Thursday night and miss your
flight!!
Hope your trip exceeds all your expectations!!

489 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:36:15am

re: #485 b_sharp

That's kind of a reach. Around this time, we all tend to look around for someone to be the butt of our jokes. You're just coming in on the hind end of this exchange.

490 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:36:26am

re: #435 McSpiff

That really bugged me. For some reason, people trying to 'prove' a point with language just drive me nuts. Refusing to capitalize Jesus, spelling it micro$oft, demoRATS... Just so childish and devoid of thought.

Hey, I know I'm guilty of the Mickysoft/Micro$oft thing, usually when I'm ranting about a bug or yet another apparent case of their "Dos isn't done till Lotus won't run" approach to the competition. Yes, it's childish in the extreme. But it sure feels good when you're frustrated.

491 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:36:43am

re: #485 b_sharp

Looks like you're willing to bend over backwards for some early morning word play.

Just not up to mental gymnasties before lunch.

492 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:37:31am

re: #481 McSpiff

Whenever I'm texting, I say "Please to [rest of sentence]" when requesting something.

493 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:37:55am

re: #487 000G

I have no idea how big the 'blood libel' thing will be. It's a clear sign to all Jews that she's an ignorant jackass. Aside from that, I'm not sure how much the populace as a whole will care that she's misusing such an important term-- and implicitly slamming a Jew at the same time, Giffords, who specifically criticized Palin for her hateful rhetoric.

494 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:38:16am

re: #477 Sergey Romanov

We need a Liszt.


[Video]

Naw, just rewrite it in Common Lisp.

495 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:38:37am

re: #489 Obdicut

That's kind of a reach. Around this time, we all tend to look around for someone to be the butt of our jokes. You're just coming in on the hind end of this exchange.

re: #491 Decatur Deb

Just not up to mental gymnasties before lunch.

Looks like I'm behind in this one.

BBL.

496 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:39:06am

Speaking of linguistics... Is using the word 'Moslem' a bigot thing or? It jumps out at me as such every time I see it, but for all I know its just the British spelling.

497 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:39:49am

re: #478 Fozzie Bear

Must have shown something imbarisinguing

498 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:39:55am

Morning Lizards.

499 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:40:21am

re: #493 Obdicut

I have no idea how big the 'blood libel' thing will be. It's a clear sign to all Jews that she's an ignorant jackass. Aside from that, I'm not sure how much the populace as a whole will care that she's misusing such an important term-- and implicitly slamming a Jew at the same time, Giffords, who specifically criticized Palin for her hateful rhetoric.

She is operating in the world of large dollars, large consequences and large staffs. There are few truly inadvertent statements at that level.

500 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:40:42am

re: #497 reloadingisnotahobby

Must have shown something imbarisinguing


( I have no idea what that is......)

501 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:41:10am

re: #493 Obdicut

I have no idea how big the 'blood libel' thing will be. It's a clear sign to all Jews that she's an ignorant jackass. Aside from that, I'm not sure how much the populace as a whole will care that she's misusing such an important term-- and implicitly slamming a Jew at the same time, Giffords, who specifically criticized Palin for her hateful rhetoric.

yes, Giffords herself is guilty of incitement, along with that deranged old sheriff Dupnik, who is really getting hammered this morning...what were they thinking?

502 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:41:31am

re: #496 McSpiff

Speaking of linguistics... Is using the word 'Moslem' a bigot thing or? It jumps out at me as such every time I see it, but for all I know its just the British spelling.

Good question, I noticed it too. It strikes of that medieval "let's kick the Saracen asses" style.

503 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:42:06am

re: #496 McSpiff

.....R.O.P. is....when followed by a //

504 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:42:29am

re: #496 McSpiff

Speaking of linguistics... Is using the word 'Moslem' a bigot thing or? It jumps out at me as such every time I see it, but for all I know its just the British spelling.

someone called me a bigot for using the abbreviation 'Pakis'...so I'd say yes

505 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:43:03am

re: #496 McSpiff

Speaking of linguistics... Is using the word 'Moslem' a bigot thing or? It jumps out at me as such every time I see it, but for all I know its just the British spelling.

The free dictionary [Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...] shows it as a variant spelling. I'd guess it's an older translitteration from the arabic but I can't find anything that supports that guess.

506 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:45:14am

I say just use whatever terms you thunk are appropriate, and then if you end up with someone in your face screaming with bits of spittle flying, then you know you chose the wrong term.

It's a very easy system.

507 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:45:53am

re: #504 albusteve

someone called me a bigot for using the abbreviation 'Pakis'...so I'd say yes

A few people did if I remember correctly, myself included. That turned out to be a very interesting discussion as words totally acceptable in one region are slurs in another. And how does that apply to the internet, etc. I know I learned a lot from it.

508 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:46:04am

re: #505 wlewisiii

The free dictionary [Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...] shows it as a variant spelling. I'd guess it's an older translitteration from the arabic but I can't find anything that supports that guess.

I'm pretty PC, but refuse to get bogged down in endless self-censorship. Intent and Context.

509 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:46:33am

re: #504 albusteve

someone called me a bigot for using the abbreviation 'Pakis'...so I'd say yes

further, I had no idea about the British use of the term and I was referring to Pakistan...so my ignorance was exposed

510 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:49:05am

re: #509 albusteve

further, I had no idea about the British use of the term and I was referring to Pakistan...so my ignorance was exposed

Canadian as well - better not use that term in Toronto if you ever go back there...

511 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:49:07am

So... Sarah Palin decided to go on record that the recent criticisms of her are 'blood libel'...

Fantastically ignorant, dog whistle, or she's just going down in flames in the messiest way possible? What say ye all?

512 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:49:08am

re: #509 albusteve

I'm glad you're no longer digging your heels in over that one.

Racial slurs are all about context. "Brit" isn't a slur; it's short for British. "Jap" definitely is a slur, even though it's just short for "Japanese"-- because it was used as a slur. That's all it takes, unfortunately.

513 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:49:55am

re: #511 Fozzie Bear

So... Sarah Palin decided to go on record that the recent criticisms of her are 'blood libel'...

Fantastically ignorant, dog whistle, or she's just going down in flames in the messiest way possible? What say ye all?

It's Sarah Palin... next question?

514 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:50:57am

re: #511 Fozzie Bear

So... Sarah Palin decided to go on record that the recent criticisms of her are 'blood libel'...

Fantastically ignorant, dog whistle, or she's just going down in flames in the messiest way possible? What say ye all?

I'm going with "all the above" or "the liberals made me do it".

515 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:51:22am

re: #502 Sergey Romanov

Good question, I noticed it too. It strikes of that medieval "let's kick the Saracen asses" style.

So I guess "The Errant Apprentice" is totally out of the question:

[Link: www.google.com...]

516 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:53:08am

re: #496 McSpiff

Speaking of linguistics... Is using the word 'Moslem' a bigot thing or? It jumps out at me as such every time I see it, but for all I know its just the British spelling.

I think it's polite to use whatever term people themselves use.
And the preferred term seems to be "Muslim".
So when I see "Moslem" being used today, even though it's a dictionary accepted variant, I think the person using it is trying to make some sort of point - and not a positive one.

517 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:53:22am

... but to use the phrase 'blood libel' to describe (what she no doubt sees as a slandering of herself) in the wake of the public execution of a jew...

Does she not get what that is implying?

Holy shit she is stupid. Just powerful stupid. It's like a new state of matter level of stupid.

518 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:53:57am

re: #512 Obdicut

I'm glad you're no longer digging your heels in over that one.

Racial slurs are all about context. "Brit" isn't a slur; it's short for British. "Jap" definitely is a slur, even though it's just short for "Japanese"-- because it was used as a slur. That's all it takes, unfortunately.

JAP is short for Jewish American Princess, which is definitely a slur, except for my daughter, who is proud to be one.

519 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:54:08am

wound care
bbl

520 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:54:13am

re: #517 Fozzie Bear

... but to use the phrase 'blood libel' to describe (what she no doubt sees as a slandering of herself) in the wake of the public execution of a jew...

Does she not get what that is implying?

Holy shit she is stupid. Just powerful stupid. It's like a new state of matter level of stupid.

Quantum stupid.

521 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:54:32am

re: #512 Obdicut

Racial slurs are all about context. "Brit" isn't a slur; it's short for British. "Jap" definitely is a slur, even though it's just short for "Japanese"-- because it was used as a slur. That's all it takes, unfortunately.

I can certainly understand someone being unaware of a slur and using it inadvertently...but if one continues to use/defend it after the slur-like nature has been pointed out, charges of insensitivity at least, bigotry at worst are justified.

522 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:54:45am

re: #516 reine.de.tout

I think it's polite to use whatever term people themselves use.
And the preferred term seems to be "Muslim".
So when I see "Moslem" being used today, even though it's a dictionary accepted variant, I think the person using it is trying to make some sort of point - and not a positive one.

Ackkk. I think they went to different school than I did, or read older editions.

523 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:54:59am

Tweet from CBS:
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524 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:55:30am

re: #511 Fozzie Bear

I think it's a deliberate and provocative acquisition of victim status on her part.

525 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:55:53am

re: #522 Decatur Deb

Ackkk. I think they went to different school than I did, or read older editions.

Possibly true.
It doesn't bother me when I see it written in something written quite awhile ago - but the preferred term today seems to be "Muslim", and so when I see someone today writing "Moslem", I wonder why . . .

Wish CL were here . . .

526 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:56:28am

Palin -

journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible.


lol

527 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:57:26am

re: #518 Alouette

Yeah, I'd forgotten about that one. I heard it-- as a slur-- in Chicago all the time. Generally meaning "Jewish girl that won't sleep with me."

528 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:57:36am

re: #521 publicityStunted

I can certainly understand someone being unaware of a slur and using it inadvertently...but if one continues to use/defend it after the slur-like nature has been pointed out, charges of insensitivity at least, bigotry at worst are justified.

I'm rather bothered by the use of the word "fat" when it is use in a derogatory context... but I rarely find much support for any sensitivity in using that word.

529 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:57:42am

re: #524 jaunte

I think it's a deliberate and provocative acquisition of victim status on her part.

See that's what i'm trying to figure out. If she knows the history of the term, then it is a craven, incredibly evil thing to say in this context.

If she doesn't, it's just incredibly dumb. But... she has handlers, speech-writers, etc. And then there is her audience. Is it possible this is an anti-semitic dog whistle? Would she go that low?

530 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:58:25am

re: #526 Killgore Trout

And we already have people trying to spin it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Funny: blood libel has meant one thing for centuries, but now suddenly it's got this broadly applicable meaning, that people are accusing you of being bloodthirsty.

Not fucking funny at all, actually.

531 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:58:31am

re: #525 reine.de.tout

Possibly true.
It doesn't bother me when I see it written in something written quite awhile ago - but the preferred term today seems to be "Muslim", and so when I see someone today writing "Moslem", I wonder why . . .

Wish CL were here . . .

I think thats a nice summary of it

532 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:58:39am

re: #529 Fozzie Bear

See that's what i'm trying to figure out. If she knows the history of the term, then it is a craven, incredibly evil thing to say in this context.

If she doesn't, it's just incredibly dumb. But... she has handlers, speech-writers, etc. And then there is her audience. Is it possible this is an anti-semitic dog whistle? Would she go that low?

She's just stupid.

Before the election, I kept wondering why McCain's people seemed to be trying so hard to keep a lid on Palin - it's become painfully obvious why. She's stupid.

533 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:00:15am

re: #529 Fozzie Bear

I don't think it's deliberately antisemitic, just a grab at emotional terminology her situation doesn't warrant.

534 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:00:29am

re: #532 reine.de.tout

She's just stupid.

Before the election, I kept wondering why McCain's people seemed to be trying so hard to keep a lid on Palin - it's become painfully obvious why. She's stupid.

I'm still not convinced. I mean, not ONE of her handlers or staff knew? Her speech writers? Not one?

I'm not sure anymore.

535 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:00:45am

re: #525 reine.de.tout

Possibly true.
It doesn't bother me when I see it written in something written quite awhile ago - but the preferred term today seems to be "Muslim", and so when I see someone today writing "Moslem", I wonder why . . .

Wish CL were here . . .

It seems no more significant than spelling "Tsar" as "Czar". I think I've seen a senisitivity upset by that. Isn't worth an "iota" (which has a murderous philological history.)

536 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:00:50am

re: #530 Obdicut

And we already have people trying to spin it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Funny: blood libel has meant one thing for centuries, but now suddenly it's got this broadly applicable meaning, that people are accusing you of being bloodthirsty.

Not fucking funny at all, actually.

Her whole essay is laughable and preposterous.

537 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:01:17am

re: #496 McSpiff

Speaking of linguistics... Is using the word 'Moslem' a bigot thing or? It jumps out at me as such every time I see it, but for all I know its just the British spelling.

I used to use Moslem myself sometimes as I was always under the impression that it was simply an alternate transliteration of the Arabic word, but I found out a couple of years ago that it has apparently become an issue due to the English pronunciation of Moslem (mozlem) having a completely different and negative meaning in Arabic.

Personally, I don't buy that the spelling was intentionally done that way as an insult, but I no longer use Moslem anymore since now that the negative meaning has been publicized, there are people who will purposely use it as a slur.

See [Link: hnn.us...]

538 aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:01:35am

re: #496 McSpiff

Speaking of linguistics... Is using the word 'Moslem' a bigot thing or? It jumps out at me as such every time I see it, but for all I know its just the British spelling.

i dunno, but i'm offended. just because.

539 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:01:38am

re: #530 Obdicut

And we already have people trying to spin it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Funny: blood libel has meant one thing for centuries, but now suddenly it's got this broadly applicable meaning, that people are accusing you of being bloodthirsty.

Not fucking funny at all, actually.

Man, I wish I didn't have to think for myself, must be nice.

540 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:02:07am

re: #525 reine.de.tout

Possibly true.
It doesn't bother me when I see it written in something written quite awhile ago - but the preferred term today seems to be "Muslim", and so when I see someone today writing "Moslem", I wonder why . . .

Wish CL were here . . .

She's here... coming out of the shadows. ;o)

541 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:02:23am

re: #537 CuriousLurker

Interesting, I hadn't heard that.

542 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:02:24am

I think Pam Geller must be writing Palin;s facebook posts (with the help of a spell checker)

543 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:02:29am

re: #534 Fozzie Bear

I'm still not convinced. I mean, not ONE of her handlers or staff knew? Her speech writers? Not one?

I'm not sure anymore.

Smart people hire handlers that are smarter than they are, because they're smart enough to know the value of being in the company of people who are smart.

Stupid people hire handlers that are stupider than they are, so they'll have the appearance of being smarter than everyone else.

544 aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:02:30am

re: #529 Fozzie Bear

If she doesn't, it's just incredibly dumb. But... she has handlers, speech-writers, etc. And then there is her audience. Is it possible this is an anti-semitic dog whistle? Would she go that low?

you're asking this about Mrs. Refudiate?

545 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:02:49am

re: #537 CuriousLurker

In other news, I hereby give you all permission to refer to the Irish as "permanently drunk gingers". It's ok. I'm Irish.

(I wish the transitive property applied to slurs.)

546 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:02:54am

re: #537 CuriousLurker

I used to use Moslem myself sometimes as I was always under the impression that it was simply an alternate transliteration of the Arabic word, but I found out a couple of years ago that it has apparently become an issue due to the English pronunciation of Moslem (mozlem) having a completely different and negative meaning in Arabic.

Personally, I don't buy that the spelling was intentionally done that way as an insult, but I no longer use Moslem anymore since now that the negative meaning has been publicized, there are people who will purposely use it as a slur.

See [Link: hnn.us...]

Well that's a much more interesting background than I expected. Thanks!

547 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:03:57am

OK -

What is the over/under on the number of comments when Charles posts about Palin's blood libel video?

548 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:04:18am

re: #536 Killgore Trout

Yep. It's a ridiculously hyper-religious bunch of "I'm the real victim here" crap. But the blood libel thing is really getting, well, my blood boiling.

The Blood Libel is something that Christians did to Jews, claiming that Jews ritually slaughtered Christians and used their blood in ceremonies. Jews were executed, lynched, imprisoned, and massacred over the blood libel. Over and over and fucking over. It is not something that a Christian gets to claim is being done to them when the situation bears no fucking resemblance.

[Link: www.zionism-israel.com...]

549 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:04:36am

re: #532 reine.de.tout

She's just stupid.

Before the election, I kept wondering why McCain's people seemed to be trying so hard to keep a lid on Palin - it's become painfully obvious why. She's stupid.

Youtube Video
550 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:05:04am

re: #541 jaunte

It sure surprised me the first time I heard about it.

re: #545 Fozzie Bear

LOL!

re: #546 McSpiff

You're welcome.

551 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:05:48am

re: #547 Talking Point Detective

OK -

What is the over/under on the number of comments when Charles posts about Palin's blood libel video?

Hard to say it all comes down to how long Charles leaves it as the most recent thread, how about we bet on the number of trolls it attracts instead? My money is on five...

552 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:06:00am
We know this much right now: Palin does not possess the self-awareness, responsibility or composure to respond to crises like this with grace. This message - even at a time of national crisis - was a base-rousing rallying cry, perpetuating her own victimhood and alleged bloodthirstiness of her opponents.

Sullivans latest.

553 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:06:04am

re: #547 Talking Point Detective

OK -

What is the over/under on the number of comments when Charles posts about Palin's blood libel video?

I dunno, but it's sure to bring out lots of... weirdness.

554 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:06:42am

re: #548 Obdicut

Yep. It's a ridiculously hyper-religious bunch of "I'm the real victim here" crap. But the blood libel thing is really getting, well, my blood boiling.

The Blood Libel is something that Christians did to Jews, claiming that Jews ritually slaughtered Christians and used their blood in ceremonies. Jews were executed, lynched, imprisoned, and massacred over the blood libel. Over and over and fucking over. It is not something that a Christian gets to claim is being done to them when the situation bears no fucking resemblance.

[Link: www.zionism-israel.com...]

Would you have the same reaction if she said she's the victim of a witch hunt? I mean I wouldn't use blood libel myself, but there is certainly a precedent for these type of terms to enter the general venacular.

555 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:07:04am

re: #551 jamesfirecat

Hard to say it all comes down to how long Charles leaves it as the most recent thread, how about we bet on the number of trolls it attracts instead? My money is on five...

A troll? And what do you mean, some one who is supportive of Palin in regards to this subject?

556 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:07:46am

re: #554 McSpiff

Would you have the same reaction if she said she's the victim of a witch hunt? I mean I wouldn't use blood libel myself, but there is certainly a precedent for these type of terms to enter the general venacular.

As a warlock (and a troll in training), I would object to it.

557 aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:07:46am

re: #548 Obdicut

that is a fantastic web page. i'm still reading it. good link.

558 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:08:01am

re: #555 Walter L. Newton

A troll? And what do you mean, some one who is supportive of Palin in regards to this subject?

Trolls are like pornography, you can't ever come up with a 100% accurate description to describe it perfectly, but you know it when you see it....

559 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:08:10am

Palin has a Facebook video posted on Breitbart.

Yeah, she's going there.

560 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:08:51am

re: #556 Walter L. Newton

As a warlock (and a troll in training), I would object to it.

I find this...concerning ;-)

561 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:09:09am

re: #559 BigPapa

Palin has a Facebook video posted on Breitbart.

Yeah, she's going there.

Way to reach out across the political aisle and show national leadership.

562 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:10:30am

re: #554 McSpiff

Would you have the same reaction if she said she's the victim of a witch hunt? I mean I wouldn't use blood libel myself, but there is certainly a precedent for these type of terms to enter the general venacular.

But blood libel really hasn't entered the general vernacular. Even if it had, it still would retain a specific meaning.

Listen, the reason that the blood libel is so dangerous is that it takes the otherness of the Jew and makes it a fearful thing: Jews ritually slaughter animals. The blood libel transforms that into ritually slaughtering humans. It is an assault on the religion.

The worst accusation against Palin is that she's bloodthirsty. It has nothing to do with the blood libel.

"Witch hunt" retains it's meaning too; it means when someone is being persecuted despite a lack of evidence. That's how it's used.

No matter in what way you look at it, this is a complete misuse of the term 'blood libel'. It really needs the religious component, the perversion and attempt to vilify through otherness.

563 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:10:39am

re: #461 Sergey Romanov

I do use such insults from time to time, and I think I have used "rethugs". But it's the consistent, moonbatty use that is "diagnostic".

Man, if she was an example of a moonbat, I can see where the term comes from. Sheesh!

564 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:12:52am

re: #533 jaunte

Words have meaning. Blood libel has a very specific meaning and when you start taking words and concepts out of their proper usage you reduce the word's value and usage.

I'd say that Palin's usage was incredibly stupid, particularly when the victim of the attack was herself Jewish. Palin isn't a victim here, and she certainly wasn't the victim of a blood libel under any tortured reading into the meaning of that concept.

565 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:13:02am

I can chalk up the use of the term blood libel to ignorance. As such, I can get past it.

What I can't get past is that on a day when Obama is going to Tucson to speak at a memorial service, she sees fit to post a video focusing on herself - as if the tragedy of her being criticized somehow is equal to that of six people being killed.

I have to think that even Tea Partiers are going to be offended by this incredible display of self-centeredness.

566 laZardo  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:13:51am

Gotta go to bed. Nighty.

567 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:14:55am

re: #562 Obdicut

There must be a kind of intoxication connected to this kind of provocative speech for some people. As soon as someone suggests the rhetoric be cooled, the rhetorical drunks open up another bottle.

568 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:15:30am

re: #562 Obdicut

But blood libel really hasn't entered the general vernacular. Even if it had, it still would retain a specific meaning.

Listen, the reason that the blood libel is so dangerous is that it takes the otherness of the Jew and makes it a fearful thing: Jews ritually slaughter animals. The blood libel transforms that into ritually slaughtering humans. It is an assault on the religion.

The worst accusation against Palin is that she's bloodthirsty. It has nothing to do with the blood libel.

"Witch hunt" retains it's meaning too; it means when someone is being persecuted despite a lack of evidence. That's how it's used.

No matter in what way you look at it, this is a complete misuse of the term 'blood libel'. It really needs the religious component, the perversion and attempt to vilify through otherness.

Hmm you're right, and the more I think about it...

I think you've hit on why she used it I think. She's attempting to paint herself as victim, like she has before for her beliefs. She's attempting to equate the non-existent persecution of Christians in the same light as the persecution of the Jews. That's been her variation of the "Southern Strategy" all along.

569 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:15:37am

re: #548 Obdicut

It's expecially ironic coming from a woman who was widely accredited with the Lie of the Year with Death panels. It's a fail on so many levels. Wost of all for wingnuts she's now opened the conversation on dangerous rhetoric that the rest of the wingnuts were trying so hard to avoid.

570 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:15:37am

re: #560 McSpiff

I find this...concerning ;-)

I'll be talking to Jim Morrison while I'm in Paris... you want I put in a good word for you?

571 aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:15:55am

re: #554 McSpiff

Would you have the same reaction if she said she's the victim of a witch hunt? I mean I wouldn't use blood libel myself, but there is certainly a precedent for these type of terms to enter the general venacular.

i don't want to answer for Obdi, he generally takes care of that himself, but i think it's a bit of a different situation, given the degree to which Jews (a) were treated by Christians in the past and (b) are treated by far right, far left and especially certain Middle Eastern countries at present.

572 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:16:16am

I still think she knows what she is saying. This speech was prepared, written ahead of time, and vetted. She hasn't said a damn thing for days.

The bitch just implied that the left had a democrat killed to make her look bad. Sure, she didn't say it. The term she used carries that implication, however. And i'm fucking pissed.

This is a dog whistle. People don't use terms that they clearly haven't heard before without at least googling them. Especially in a statement that was obviously prepared, and taped ahead of time. And the timing...... sick.... just sick.

She is a sick fucking puppy.

573 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:17:17am

oh mama grizzly, you are on thin ice this morning

574 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:17:18am

Palin titles her video on Facebook "America's Enduring Strength." It's typical Winger Woo: "We're just passionate, we're not responsible for a madman."

Breitbart posted it and titled it 'Blood Libel.'

575 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:17:24am

re: #562 Obdicut

I highly doubt that she had any idea of the religious etymology.

IMO the larger context is even more abhorrent.

576 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:17:48am

re: #570 Walter L. Newton

I'll be talking to Jim Morrison while I'm in Paris... you want I put in a good word for you?

I think its only fitting that you pay respects for all of us to the Lizard King.

577 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:17:58am

Speaking of Winter Weather, these videos come from where I live when not in school, Colorado Springs. This will be split into 2 posts for two videos.

Youtube Video
578 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:18:31am

re: #570 Walter L. Newton

I'll be talking to Jim Morrison while I'm in Paris... you want I put in a good word for you?

Just tell him his lizard minions said hi.

579 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:20:59am

re: #575 Talking Point Detective

But it doesn't have any meaning other than the religious etymology! It was pointed out that it was first used by Glenn Reynolds, so they may have just swiped it from him without bothering to figure out what it means.

That's always the question with Palin: Stupid or evil?

580 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:21:04am

Palin Responds to Media Onslaught With Facebook Video; ‘Blood Libel’

The meme is that Democrats are blood libeling Sarah Palin by directly blaming her for Loughner. Breitbart is all that is wrong with conservative journalism melded with the worst tabloid propaganda.

581 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:21:51am

re: #554 McSpiff

Would you have the same reaction if she said she's the victim of a witch hunt? I mean I wouldn't use blood libel myself, but there is certainly a precedent for these type of terms to enter the general venacular.

To add to Obdi's point, the blood libel is actually alive and well. Yes, the lethal superstition about witches is alive somewhere in Africa. But people do really believe in the blood libel in Europe, in Russia, in Islamist countries. In the former two not massively, perhaps, but the belief has really rejuvenated after the fall of the USSR and with the coming of the Internet.

Holocaust denial used to be a "highbrow" way to hate the Jews - no funny blood accusations, only the alleged rational and engineering arguments. But recently on HD sites the new blood libel books started to appear (cf. Fritz Berg's "Nazi Gassings Never Happend" page).

Or read this:

[Link: www.interfax-religion.com...]

Here's a paragraph from that "letter":

Similarly, in the Russian Empire Jews, after unsuccessful attempts of the tsarist government to make them "like everyone else" lost equality in the XIX century not because they were Jews by blood (the empire was a multi-national), not because they were non-Christians (there were Muslims, Buddhists, etc.), but because the Jewish religion - anti-Christian and misanthropic, stooped to the ritual killings in the environment of its particularly zealous adherents. Many cases of this ritual extremism were also proved in court (see, for example, a study in pre-revolutionary Ministry of Internal Affairs: V. Dahl. "Research on the murder by Jews of Christian children and of using their blood", St. Petersburg., 1844).
582 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:22:01am

re: #579 Obdicut

That's always the question with Palin: Stupid or evil?


I'd go with the 'indifferent to anyone else' combination of the two.

583 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:22:19am

re: #570 Walter L. Newton

I'll be talking to Jim Morrison while I'm in Paris... you want I put in a good word for you?

Last I heard, they were trying to kick him out of Pierre LaChaise--too much sex, drugs, and Rock n' Roll.

584 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:23:00am

re: #580 BigPapa

If this fucking incident changes the meaning of blood libel, making people more ignorant of the persecution of Jews throughout history-- fucking hell. There are no words.

"Blood libel? Oh yeah, that's when liberals were mean to Sarah."

Not the centuries and centuries of Jews dying from paranoia, fear, and religious persecution.

Fuck.

585 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:24:13am

re: #576 McSpiff

re: #578 Fozzie Bear

Just tell him his lizard minions said hi.

Will do... my hotel is a block away from Pere Lachaise... I'm calling it the "I can see dead people from here" hotel.

586 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:24:20am

re: #581 Sergey Romanov

To add to Obdi's point, the blood libel is actually alive and well. Yes, the lethal superstition about witches is alive somewhere in Africa. But people do really believe in the blood libel in Europe, in Russia, in Islamist countries. In the former two not massively, perhaps, but the belief has really rejuvenated after the fall of the USSR and with the coming of the Internet.

Holocaust denial used to be a "highbrow" way to hate the Jews - no funny blood accusations, only the alleged rational and engineering arguments. But recently on HD sites the new blood libel books started to appear (cf. Fritz Berg's "Nazi Gassings Never Happend" page).

Or read this:

[Link: www.interfax-religion.com...]

Here's a paragraph from that "letter":

I always forget how disappointing humanity can be.

587 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:24:30am

re: #584 Obdicut

If this fucking incident changes the meaning of blood libel, making people more ignorant of the persecution of Jews throughout history-- fucking hell. There are no words.

"Blood libel? Oh yeah, that's when liberals were mean to Sarah."

Not the centuries and centuries of Jews dying from paranoia, fear, and religious persecution.

Fuck.

The exact same things brought me to ask the question here: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

588 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:25:03am

Republican school board in N.C. backed by tea party abolishes integration policy


...over the past year, a new majority-Republican school board backed by national tea party conservatives has set the district on a strikingly different course. Pledging to "say no to the social engineers!" it has abolished the policy behind one of the nation's most celebrated integration efforts.
589 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:25:32am

re: #584 Obdicut

If this fucking incident changes the meaning of blood libel, making people more ignorant of the persecution of Jews throughout history-- fucking hell. There are no words.

"Blood libel? Oh yeah, that's when liberals were mean to Sarah."

Not the centuries and centuries of Jews dying from paranoia, fear, and religious persecution.

Fuck.

Shows her willful ignorance, coupled with her enormous sense of self-importance.

590 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:26:51am

re: #584 Obdicut

If this fucking incident changes the meaning of blood libel, making people more ignorant of the persecution of Jews throughout history-- fucking hell. There are no words.

"Blood libel? Oh yeah, that's when liberals were mean to Sarah."

That's the point. Breitbart is upping the ante, doubling down, anything spent in that mission such as misusing specific terms be damned.

I'm not even Jewish but think using the term 'blood libel' so carelessly is highly offensive.

591 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:26:55am

re: #581 Sergey Romanov

I mean, we don't have to go far. Israel Shamir spreads the "there was a Jewish sect that really did it" libel right on his site.

592 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:27:00am

I want everybody who voted for McCain to ponder for a minute the situation we would be in if McCain had won.

Holy shit we dodged a huge fucking bullet, by a scant few percentage points.

593 aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:27:11am

re: #563 CuriousLurker

Man, if she was an example of a moonbat, I can see where the term comes from. Sheesh!

so, i scrolled upthread to see what you and Sergey were talking about and...yeesh...

594 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:28:41am

re: #591 Sergey Romanov

Yes. It is not just historical. And as always, it is about making the Jews into the other, with a dark, twisted, parasitic religion.

Evil, evil shit.

595 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:29:21am

re: #585 Walter L. Newton

re: #578 Fozzie Bear

Will do... my hotel is a block away from Pere Lachaise... I'm calling it the "I can see dead people from here" hotel.

If you're taking requests...other than the obvious (Wilde,etc)...check on Jean de Brunhoff? Babar was a huge part of my childhood...

596 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:29:58am

re: #573 SpaceJesus

oh mama grizzly, you are on thin ice this morning

Sorry, that title has been revoked from Palin, and granted to this woman:

It was supposed to be a nice, quick moment. A photograph to help commemorate an important event.

Mary Reed and her daughter, Emma McMahon, were only going to be there for a few minutes.

Emma, a Tucson high-school senior, had been a congressional page for U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords over the summer. But things had been so busy, she never got a photograph of herself with the congresswoman. Giffords inspired her, and she wanted the memory.

So, on Saturday morning, the two went to Safeway, where Giffords would be holding a "Congress on Your Corner," a meet-and-greet event. Also along were Mary's husband, Tom McMahon, and son, 13-year-old Owen.

They were the second-to-last people in line to meet Giffords.

[...]

Then, Reed was shot again. And shot again. But she didn't move. She couldn't expose Emma.

"Yes, a mama bear," Mary said.

Emma remembers hearing screaming and seeing people fall to the ground, and feeling the warmth of her mother pushing her against the wall.

[...]

597 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:30:29am

re: #592 Fozzie Bear

I want everybody who voted for McCain to ponder for a minute the situation we would be in if McCain had won.

Holy shit we dodged a huge fucking bullet, by a scant few percentage points.

I caught a lot of shit around here for refusing to vote for Palin. I stayed home but if I had it to do over again I'd vote for Obama.

598 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:31:12am

re: #579 Obdicut

But it doesn't have any meaning other than the religious etymology! It was pointed out that it was first used by Glenn Reynolds, so they may have just swiped it from him without bothering to figure out what it means.

That's always the question with Palin: Stupid or evil?

Or both. Actually, I think she's less evil than she is vain and completely egocentric. Then again, vanity and egocentricity can lead to evil behavior, even if it's done unconsciously (or perhaps especially if it's done unconsciously).

Is evil more more dangerous when it is committed due to lack of self-awareness? Just wondering to myself out loud. Something for me to ponder.

599 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:31:22am

re: #595 McSpiff

If you're taking requests...other than the obvious (Wilde,etc)...check on Jean de Brunhoff? Babar was a huge part of my childhood...

Ok... I'll talk... what do you want to know... something like "was Babar really gay" or something like that?

600 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:31:48am

re: #579 Obdicut

But it doesn't have any meaning other than the religious etymology! It was pointed out that it was first used by Glenn Reynolds, so they may have just swiped it from him without bothering to figure out what it means.

That's always the question with Palin: Stupid or evil?

Well - it does have meaning other than that in common usage.

I'm reasonably well educated, not a total idiot, and I'm Jewish - and I had no idea of the etymology. I assumed it meant "big-time libel"until reading this thread.

I'm not saying the misuse is excusable - in that she has a responsibility as a public figure to use careful speech (just as does Biden, for example, when describing Obama as "clean-cut); but I'm just more bothered by the context.

Her need to make herself a victim has worked well for herself in the past. My suspicion is that she's gone too far this time. It's just so despicable given the circumstances. Anyone who doesn't jump off her bandwagon at this point is clearly chained on with partisan blindness.

601 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:31:49am

re: #588 Killgore Trout

Republican school board in N.C. backed by tea party abolishes integration policy



"If we had a school that was, like, 80 percent high-poverty, the public would see the challenges, the need to make it successful," he said. "Right now, we have diluted the problem, so we can ignore it."

Oh yeah, like, all the schools are a little shitty, so let the poor folk all go to the same school so it gets really fubar, then we can fix it. Because all the poor kids are draggin down our good schools.

That's deep, man.

602 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:32:18am

re: #597 Killgore Trout

I caught a lot of shit around here for refusing to vote for Palin. I stayed home but if I had it to do over again I'd vote for Obama.

One of the reasons i was adamant people should not support McCain in the conservative party here in England was due to Palin. Took a lot of flack for it at the time.

603 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:32:22am

re: #599 Walter L. Newton

Ok... I'll talk... what do you want to know... something like "was Babar really gay" or something like that?

Sigh I was going to go with "thanks" but we can ruin my childhood too if you like. Wasn't he married?

604 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:32:55am

re: #594 Obdicut

Yes. It is not just historical. And as always, it is about making the Jews into the other, with a dark, twisted, parasitic religion.

Evil, evil shit.

The Nazis knew that it had very practical consequences.

At this address

[Link: motlc.specialcol.wiesenthal.com...]

there used to be a letter from Himmler to Kaltenbrunner advising to give out the book about "Jewish ritual murders" to Einsatzkommando members.

605 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:33:27am

re: #596 wrenchwench

You just made me cry.

Wow. That is an incredible and powerful story.

606 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:34:43am

re: #598 CuriousLurker

Is evil more more dangerous when it is committed due to lack of self-awareness?


It's not as easy for bystanders to predict, so I think yes.
607 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:35:05am

re: #580 BigPapa

Palin Responds to Media Onslaught With Facebook Video; ‘Blood Libel’

The meme is that Democrats are blood libeling Sarah Palin by directly blaming her for Loughner. Breitbart is all that is wrong with conservative journalism melded with the worst tabloid propaganda.

Now you've made me wonder if this is the beginning of an ill-conceived attempt by the far-right to tie far-left anti-Semitism to mainstream Democrats. If they're going to go there, things going to get really, really bad.

608 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:36:30am

re: #605 Fozzie Bear

You just made me cry.

Wow. That is an incredible and powerful story.

{{{Fozzie Bear}}}

Don't let your fur get matted....

609 aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:36:47am

re: #598 CuriousLurker

Is evil more more dangerous when it is committed due to lack of self-awareness? Just wondering to myself out loud. Something for me to ponder.

Less dangerous, i think. Incompetence tends to be an obstacle to large accomplishments, for good or evil;)

610 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:36:59am

re: #607 CuriousLurker

Now you've made me wonder if this is the beginning of an ill-conceived attempt by the far-right to tie far-left anti-Semitism to mainstream Democrats. If they're going to go there, things going to get really, really bad.

A little known fact about Sarah Palin is that she is jewish. In fact, it is such a little known fact that until that video, not even Sarah was aware of this fact.

//

611 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:37:11am

re: #608 wrenchwench

{{{Fozzie Bear}}}

Don't let your fur get matted...

It was the bear reference. Makes me miss the cave I grew up in. /

612 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:37:28am

re: #604 Sergey Romanov

The address doesn't work, but I have it all saved. Here it is:

Image: him80.gif

613 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:37:38am

re: #606 jaunte

Good point. And I think also more dangerous because it's not really a choice—a consciously evil person can at least calculate and choose to refrain based on self-interest.

614 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:38:25am

re: #603 McSpiff

Sigh I was going to go with "thanks" but we can ruin my childhood too if you like. Wasn't he married?

This would have ruined my childhood... " Babar is crowned King of the Elephants, marries his cousin Celeste," he must have been from "south" Africa.

615 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:39:10am

re: #612 Sergey Romanov

The address doesn't work, but I have it all saved. Here it is:

Image: him80.gif

Aha, and the second side:

Image: him81.gif

616 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:39:17am

Sometimes, stupid is far more dangerous than intentionally evil, because stupid isn't sercing any purpose. At least evil can pick and choose its battles. Stupid rages on regardless of circumstance.

617 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:39:54am

re: #601 BigPapa


"If we had a school that was, like, 80 percent high-poverty, the public would see the challenges, the need to make it successful," he said. "Right now, we have diluted the problem, so we can ignore it."

Oh yeah, like, all the schools are a little shitty, so let the poor folk all go to the same school so it gets really fubar, then we can fix it. Because all the poor kids are draggin down our good schools.

That's deep, man.

Here's the bit that just precedes your quote:

Tedesco, who has emerged as the most vocal among the new majority on the nine-member board, said he and his colleagues are only seeking a simpler system in which children attend the schools closest to them. If the result is a handful of high-poverty schools, he said, perhaps that will better serve the most challenged students.

They don't really oppose "social engineering". They just prefer to carry it out at the level of housing, rather than schools. (Same result, of course...)

618 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:40:58am

re: #579 Obdicut

But it doesn't have any meaning other than the religious etymology! It was pointed out that it was first used by Glenn Reynolds, so they may have just swiped it from him without bothering to figure out what it means.

That's always the question with Palin: Stupid or evil?

Interesting. Here's a blog post from someone using the term yesterday - fully aware of the etymology. I may very well be wrong about this:


To blame conservatives for the actions of an individual who has been described by his school acquaintances as either an apolitical pothead or a left-wing pothead is the worst kind of dishonesty. In fact, it bears a remarkable similarity to the “blood libel” that has for centuries been a staple of anti-Semitism.

[Link: themoderatevoice.com...]

619 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:41:03am

re: #614 Walter L. Newton

This would have ruined my childhood... " Babar is crowned King of the Elephants, marries his cousin Celeste," he must have been from "south" Africa.

I feel like the cousin bit was left out of the Canadian cartoon... I feel like this ties back to our discussion of Lemon Incest somehow.

620 elizajane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:41:17am

re: #607 CuriousLurker

Now you've made me wonder if this is the beginning of an ill-conceived attempt by the far-right to tie far-left anti-Semitism to mainstream Democrats. If they're going to go there, things going to get really, really bad.

Of course it is; they do it already. To the far-right there is no such thing as a "mainstream Democrat," only scary leftist Obamabots.

621 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:41:25am

re: #619 McSpiff

I feel like the cousin bit was left out of the Canadian cartoon... I feel like this ties back to our discussion of Lemon Incest somehow.

...I feel like I can't speak today, jeeze.

622 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:41:42am

Re Palin and now Briebart "blood libel' crap.

FFS. If Briebart has latched on and it ends up becoming a new right wing meme that idiots start parroting in their vitrol and sheer ignorance to what it actually refers too...

.... it will be the single most disgusting and disturbing 'meme' to come out of the wingy right to date.

And know unfortunately I don't think it's because Palin is stupid at least not in the way that she's clueless. I've read this blood libel thing in reference to Christians being persecuted and Christianity as a whole being persecuted, from the extreme Christian quarters before. Dominonist type thinking and some really theocratic stuff and ideology. It's lace with anti-semitism but more then then. Anti-everything that isn't about bringing about "God's world" in all aspects of society. Not that I think that this is particularly what Palin herself is after but it's one of those things that one may have come across in it's already corrupted and revised form so it just seems to fit.

The stupid that is Palin and whoever is writing the stuff for her is bringing it out into the mainstream rhetorical sphere with an utter lack of understanding of what they're actually suggesting or the consequences. At least I hope that's the case because if it isn't and done on purpose then Palin, has just gone to a whole other level in my books. Moved beyond just cluelesss and stupid to twisted and sick as well.

623 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:42:23am

I'm always amused by the American dislike of relations between 1st cousins ;-)

624 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:43:31am

re: #623 Sergey Romanov

I'm always amused by the American dislike of relations between 1st cousins ;-)

You haven't seen my cousins!

Jokes, they're lovely ladies, one and all.

625 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:43:39am

re: #622 Jadespring

It's done on purpose, to claim victim status and keep people talking.
It's incredibly cynical.

626 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:43:55am

re: #623 Sergey Romanov

I'm always amused by the American dislike of relations between 1st cousins ;-)

Most of us are descended from people who moved as far as they could to get away from family.

:)

627 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:45:13am

re: #624 McSpiff

You haven't seen my cousins!

Jokes, they're lovely ladies, one and all.

[Link: superdickery.com...]

[Link: superdickery.com...]

628 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:45:49am

re: #626 wrenchwench

Most of us are descended from people who moved as far as they could to get away from family.

:)

To quote Robin Williams on the pilgrims: "Just how uptight do you have to be for the British to go "get the fuck outta here!"

/

629 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:46:18am

re: #579 Obdicut

OK - I'm walking it waaaaaay back.

Did a Google search and found nary an example of the term being used in a way divorced from its historical meaning.

630 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:46:55am

re: #619 McSpiff

I feel like the cousin bit was left out of the Canadian cartoon... I feel like this ties back to our discussion of Lemon Incest somehow.

And back to that, for a moment, it's stuff like that that is keeping me from being overly excited about writing about Serge. I'm trying to get my head rapped around the French sensibility of all this, without prejudging, but right now, I sit between trying to see this guy as an interesting and oddly talented signer/songwriter, with a sexuality that in some places wouldn't be highly approved of, or if he was just a pervert who so happened to be able to write songs.

631 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:47:02am

re: #625 jaunte

It's done on purpose, to claim victim status and keep people talking.
It's incredibly cynical.

I agree.

632 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:48:01am

re: #610 HAL2010

A little known fact about Sarah Palin is that she is jewish. In fact, it is such a little known fact that until that video, not even Sarah was aware of this fact.

//

A secret Jew huh? Anyone actually seen her birth certificate?
//

633 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:48:14am

re: #623 Sergey Romanov

I'm always amused by the American dislike of relations between 1st cousins ;-)

A Romanov should know.

634 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:48:28am

re: #623 Sergey Romanov

I'm always amused by the American dislike of relations between 1st cousins ;-)

I was only using a stereotype to craft a little sarcastic humor.

635 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:48:48am

re: #632 rwdflynavy

A secret Jew huh? Anyone actually seen her birth certificate?
//

And isn't Alaska really in Canada?

Nudge nudge, wink wink

636 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:49:24am

re: #633 Decatur Deb

A Romanov should know.

Cold... and funny.

637 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:50:52am

How soon before Breitbart claims Dems attempting genocide on conservatives? The Pandora's Box is wide open.

My tweet.

638 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:51:02am

re: #622 Jadespring

Wow, I hadn't yet put together all the strands of thought in my head, but you just articulated it perfectly. Thanks for that.

639 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:57:50am

re: #630 Walter L. Newton

And back to that, for a moment, it's stuff like that that is keeping me from being overly excited about writing about Serge. I'm trying to get my head rapped around the French sensibility of all this, without prejudging, but right now, I sit between trying to see this guy as an interesting and oddly talented signer/songwriter, with a sexuality that in some places wouldn't be highly approved of, or if he was just a pervert who so happened to be able to write songs.

I don't know enough about Serge to really comment, but is there other evidence to suggest incest? Or a sexual attraction to Charlotte in general. Something like Lemon Incest could also be seen as an avant-garde attempt to push the limits of mainstream French acceptance of sexuality to the limit.

I think that ambiguity and what we're willing to accept from an artist or someone generally viewed as outside the social norm is interesting even when its disturbing. Roman Polanski is another case where the 'artist factor' comes into play.

640 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:58:04am

re: #636 Walter L. Newton

Cold... and funny.

I'm no smarter than a trout when I see a straight-line.

641 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:58:08am

re: #625 jaunte

It's done on purpose, to claim victim status and keep people talking.
It's incredibly cynical.

Yes I get that. Palin has always been that way. It's the connection to the really awful Christian dominionist type thinking that gets me. Ive seen it being used in relation to Christians being persecuted and God being persecuted and talk about the War between "good and evil" in the most cosmic of senses. Translated into the political sphere anything or anyone against Christians is evil to the point of being in league with Satan and demons. So yes the persecution idea is there and perhaps why the Palin cabal latched onto it. It's superficial corrupted understanding.

It's origins though, at least this corrupted understanding of it go conceptully a lot deeper to a base level. Liberals and everyone else in opposition aren't just politically different they're actually demonic and 'evil' at the most base religious sense. It is just bizzare thinking.

To see Palin use it, regardless of whether SHE understands that or even is clued into that stuff just makes me utterly sick to my stomach. It was bad enough coming across it on some small forum somewhere and just go 'wow' it's troubling that there are people that think that way. Now to see it, even if it's just a relatively superficial and cynical reference in the mainstream just makes me want to puke.

642 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:58:35am

Breitbart now tweeting rape jokes....
AndrewBreitbart

I used 'blood libel' because I thought using analogy of lefties at pinball machine in Jodie Foster film 'The Accused' was too obscure.
643 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:59:37am

I knew I had read this. Apparently when running for Mayor of Wasilla she sent out flyers that said she was the only Christian candidate. Read this review from The Mudflats.

[Link: www.themudflats.net...]

Chapter Two – Kitchen Table Politics
Here we go with chapter two. (Deep breath)

Page 63
First sentence – “When I first got into Wasilla city politics, I wasn’t even sure how to pronounce the mayor’s name.” So, what do you suppose the mayor’s name was? Wojciechowski? Finnbogadottir? No, actually it was Stein. Pronounced the regular way. John Stein.

John Stein was a Protestant, very involved in his church.

Reaching, I know, but interesting.

644 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:59:47am

re: #642 Killgore Trout

Breitbart now tweeting rape jokes...
AndrewBreitbart

Its amazing how offensive he can be in 140 characters.

645 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:00:21am

Gabrielle Giffords' Arizona shooting prompts resignations

A nasty battle between factions of Legislative District 20 Republicans and fears that it could turn violent in the wake of what happened in Tucson on Saturday prompted District Chairman Anthony Miller and several others to resign.

Miller, a 43-year-old Ahwatukee Foothills resident and former campaign worker for U.S. Sen. John McCain, was re-elected to a second one-year term last month. He said constant verbal attacks after that election and Internet blog posts by some local members with Tea Party ties made him worry about his family's safety.

What right wing violence? Go Tea Party, keep it up.

646 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:01:36am

re: #642 Killgore Trout

I didn't know what he meant because as he said, it was too obscure. I guess the subtle nuanced 'ha ha' comment is rape.

647 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:01:40am

ROFL

Man With Loaded Shotgun Demands Food From Closed McDonald's For Pregnant Wife.

648 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:02:05am

re: #645 BigPapa

Gabrielle Giffords' Arizona shooting prompts resignations

A nasty battle between factions of Legislative District 20 Republicans and fears that it could turn violent in the wake of what happened in Tucson on Saturday prompted District Chairman Anthony Miller and several others to resign.

Miller, a 43-year-old Ahwatukee Foothills resident and former campaign worker for U.S. Sen. John McCain, was re-elected to a second one-year term last month. He said constant verbal attacks after that election and Internet blog posts by some local members with Tea Party ties made him worry about his family's safety.

What right wing violence? Go Tea Party, keep it up.

It's understandable I guess. Bummer.

649 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:03:18am

re: #647 Fozzie Bear

ROFL

Man With Loaded Shotgun Demands Food From Closed McDonald's For Pregnant Wife.

///Hey, when a woman gets a craving...

(Is that joke in bad taste?)

650 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:03:18am

re: #642 Killgore Trout

Breitbart now tweeting rape jokes...
AndrewBreitbart

I followed him on Twitter for a couple of days. That was all I could stand.

651 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:03:25am

re: #637 BigPapa

How soon before Breitbart claims Dems attempting genocide on conservatives? The Pandora's Box is wide open.

My tweet.

I actually wonder if there isn't a solution to this whole Conservative cult problem, a solution that derives from the root cause of the problem itself.

What if, somehow, these good folks were to get the message that, in fact, there had been a revolution led by patriots in DC, and the new President was a rock-ribbed constructionist who was making their taxes the lowest they'd been for 50 years, ending the national debt, appointing nine Republicans to the Supreme Court, and ending any form of national health care or Social Security, except of course for the Medicare and Social Security they're getting? And not only had he rolled back all progress of the last hundred years, but he'd also mandated teaching the controversy in schools, and declared war on some unpopular little fascist nation somewhere, a war in which our boys were constantly doing heroic things and taking few casualties. Sure, there'd still be some red meat - you could tell them from time to time about an uprising of liberal violence somewhere else in the US that was quickly quashed by fine, decent citizen soldiers, or something like that.

The point is, their media bubble is already entirely self-contained. It can tell them that their guns are being confiscated, that they pay huge taxes, and that Muslims have conquered small towns elsewhere in the US, and they believe it. It can tell them their government is a tyrannical dictatorship that bans fishing, and they believe it. If they were to believe that some other guy was actually President of the US, and that liberal revolts were being quashed in other small towns someplace, how would they ever know? Seriously - how would they ever find out different?

I'm only three-quarters joking.

652 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:03:32am

re: #645 BigPapa

Good grief.

Miller said when he was a member of McCain's campaign staff last year has been criticized by the more conservative party members who supported Republican opponent J.D. Hayworth. The first and only African-American to hold the party's precinct chairmanship, Miller said he has been called "McCain's boy," and during the campaign saw a critic form his hand in the shape of a gun and point it at him.

"I wasn't going to resign but decided to quit after what happened Saturday," Miller said. "I love the Republican Party but I don't want to take a bullet for anyone."

653 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:07:56am

I am always amazed by Twitter! Today I found out how many arm-chair Philo-Semitic etymologists exist online in real-time.

Breitbart's Tweet. LOL.

I'm a Philo-Semitic etymologist! High Five?

654 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:07:56am

Hezbollah collapses Lebanese Government

Hezbollah and its allies forced the collapse of the government here on Wednesday, deepening a crisis over a United Nations-backed tribunal investigating the assassination of a former prime minister.

Eleven of the cabinet’s 30 ministers announced their resignations, a move that dissolves the government. They said they were prompted to act by the cabinet’s refusal to convene an emergency session to oppose the tribunal, which is expected to indict members of Hezbollah.

Ten of the ministers announced their resignations just as Prime Minister Saad Hariri was meeting with President Obama in Washington. The opposition had hoped that all 11 ministers would resign together, to bring down the government at that time and expose Mr. Hariri to the maximum embarrassment.

655 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:08:35am

this has probably been posted here already, but haha, it's good

[Link: videocafe.crooksandliars.com...]

656 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:08:38am

ThePlumLineGS

BREAKING: Anti-Defamation League condemns Palin's use of "blood libel" in statement sent my way: [Link: wapo.st...]

657 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:09:26am

Not that this is in anyway surprising...

Palin use of the term blood angers jewish groups


Regardless of everything I said above from a purely political viewpoint this one is up there with one of her most stupid moves.

Talk about digging a deeper hole...

658 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:10:49am

re: #656 Stanley Sea

ThePlumLineGS

BREAKING: Anti-Defamation League condemns Palin's use of "blood libel" in statement sent my way: [Link: wapo.st...]

Which is almost guaranteed to result in more whining from her.

659 iossarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:10:55am

re: #528 Walter L. Newton

I'm rather bothered by the use of the word "fat" when it is use in a derogatory context... but I rarely find much support for any sensitivity in using that word.

I certainly try to avoid using the word "fat" in a derogatory way. In fact I generally try to avoid body-type descriptives if I can describe people in other ways.

Obviously you have to use descriptives sometimes.

660 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:11:03am

re: #656 Stanley Sea

That is one weak-ass condemnation, and it buys into the false idea that 'blood libel' is just common parlance for being falsely accused.

I'm glad it's a condemnation of sorts, but man, the ADL ain't what it used to be.

661 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:11:23am

re: #639 McSpiff

I don't know enough about Serge to really comment, but is there other evidence to suggest incest? Or a sexual attraction to Charlotte in general. Something like Lemon Incest could also be seen as an avant-garde attempt to push the limits of mainstream French acceptance of sexuality to the limit.

I think that ambiguity and what we're willing to accept from an artist or someone generally viewed as outside the social norm is interesting even when its disturbing. Roman Polanski is another case where the 'artist factor' comes into play.

Of course, it's probably near next to impossible to know what was going on "inside" the artists head... but there is circumstantial evidence.

Most of the woman he was attracted to were waif like, much, much younger than he was. He wrote very suggestive songs for them, almost like he was "role playing" some fantasy. He wrote a song for France Gall with was full of clever French triple-entendre, about lollipops, but was basically about oral sex. She was a teen, and supposedly (her account), she had no idea about the little hidden meanings and discovered for the first time, at an appearance in Japan, why there were some many pubescent boys preening over a French singer. This is not anecdotal.

Serge used the "push the limit" angle a lot. Maybe nothing, maybe everything, but as the dramatist, I have to finally decide on how to fill the lancune's and what realistically can go into those spots.

That's the challenge... that's the process... that's the enjoyment.

662 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:11:58am

Also I wonder how in the hell they're going to try to 'spin' their way out of this one?

Do you think she and those behind her are capable of just saying "oops, my bad, shouldn't have used, didn't realize, I'm wrong so sorry? "

663 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:12:25am

re: #659 iossarian

I certainly try to avoid using the word "fat" in a derogatory way. In fact I generally try to avoid body-type descriptives if I can describe people in other ways.

Obviously you have to use descriptives sometimes.

Agree... basically... but I did qualify... "used in a derogatory context."

664 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:12:50am

re: #662 Jadespring

Also I wonder how in the hell they're going to try to 'spin' their way out of this one?

Do you think she and those behind her are capable of just saying "oops, my bad, shouldn't have used, didn't realize, I'm wrong so sorry? "

Palin will never admit to being wrong.

665 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:13:09am

re: #660 Obdicut

That is one weak-ass condemnation, and it buys into the false idea that 'blood libel' is just common parlance for being falsely accused.

I'm glad it's a condemnation of sorts, but man, the ADL ain't what it used to be.

Nope, lost my respect after Park 51.

But Sarah and the media won't read/re-print the statement, the point will be condemned by the ADL. Little things...

666 elizajane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:14:49am

re: #662 Jadespring

Also I wonder how in the hell they're going to try to 'spin' their way out of this one?

Do you think she and those behind her are capable of just saying "oops, my bad, shouldn't have used, didn't realize, I'm wrong so sorry? "

They'll say "It's Glenn Reynolds' fault! He said it first." Because he did, and the Wall Street Journal (formerly a rag with at least a FEW scruples) published it, with the headline "The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel."

Not to excuse Palin, who is inexcusable, but she (or her script-writers) didn't invent this line; they purloined it as a good, strong talking-point from what was, to their minds, a very solid source.

667 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:15:29am

re: #661 Walter L. Newton

I think I got the spelling of this wrong. Lancune's... I know the word I want, not sure if this is right... I hate getting old.

668 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:19:17am

re: #657 Jadespring

Not that this is in anyway surprising...

Palin use of the term blood angers jewish groups

Regardless of everything I said above from a purely political viewpoint this one is up there with one of her most stupid moves.

Talk about digging a deeper hole...

I love this quote, actually:

J Street President Jeremy Ben-Ami criticized Palin's use of the term blood libel.

"We hope that Governor Palin will recognize, when it is brought to her attention, that the term 'blood libel' brings back painful echoes of a very dark time in our communal history when Jews were falsely accused of committing heinous deeds," he said in a statement. "When Governor Palin learns that many Jews are pained by and take offense at the use of the term, we are sure that she will choose to retract her comment, apologize and make a less inflammatory choice of words."

I imagine that there are a few people here that aren't big fans of J Street (I am), but I think this is a very nice way to create a tactical advantage when you have a whiner like Palin.

669 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:19:57am

re: #661 Walter L. Newton

Of course, it's probably near next to impossible to know what was going on "inside" the artists head... but there is circumstantial evidence.

Most of the woman he was attracted to were waif like, much, much younger than he was. He wrote very suggestive songs for them, almost like he was "role playing" some fantasy. He wrote a song for France Gall with was full of clever French triple-entendre, about lollipops, but was basically about oral sex. She was a teen, and supposedly (her account), she had no idea about the little hidden meanings and discovered for the first time, at an appearance in Japan, why there were some many pubescent boys preening over a French singer. This is not anecdotal.

Serge used the "push the limit" angle a lot. Maybe nothing, maybe everything, but as the dramatist, I have to finally decide on how to fill the lancune's and what realistically can go into those spots.

That's the challenge... that's the process... that's the enjoyment.

I'm fascinated now. I wouldn't be afraid of a little ambiguity though, that hint of Doubt can be a powerful thing. I got to run for a bit, hope to run into you when I get back.

670 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:20:46am

re: #666 elizajane

They'll say "It's Glenn Reynolds' fault! He said it first." Because he did, and the Wall Street Journal (formerly a rag with at least a FEW scruples) published it, with the headline "The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel."

Not to excuse Palin, who is inexcusable, but she (or her script-writers) didn't invent this line; they purloined it as a good, strong talking-point from what was, to their minds, a very solid source.

Ah I didn't know that it had already been used. Changes my thoughts a bit if she wasn't the first one using it. Not quite as potentially nefarious now. She just potentially was putting her personal twist on it. I'm actually a bit relieved. I can go back to more just clueless and stupid.

671 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:23:02am

re: #662 Jadespring

They're defending it by claiming that the term now has widespread political context, even though one of the two examples cited is Israel defending itself from repeated Arab and Palestinian claims of purposefully targeting Palestinian kids and engaging in the classic anti Semitic smear of the blood libel.

Further, claiming that just because Tony Blankley used it - improperly I might add - doesn't justify its use here either.

More here.

672 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:24:21am

re: #668 Talking Point Detective

Yes that statement was quite politically smart. Really sets her up between and rock and hard place. I don't know enough to have an opinion about J-street except that at least this spokesman knows how to play smart with words. :)

673 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:26:23am

re: #661 Walter L. Newton

Is the Cement Garden movie, which has Charlotte's heroine engaging in incest with her brother, part of the same pattern?

674 Peter Kaufman  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:58:46am

re: #83 Obdicut

"It really, really, really annoyed me when Obama suggested that people might change their lifestyles to be less wasteful and consume less, and was met with mad, blinkered rage at that suggestion."

Dude, he was mocked for telling people to make sure their tires were properly inflated. Something that costs nothing and can save tons of dough and gas.

675 Peter Kaufman  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:00:57am

Not for nothing, but I called Peter King's office, and asked to be added to the list of people who it's illegal to be within 1,000 feet if you have a gun.

I encourage everyone to do the same.

676 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:12:38pm
677 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:14:13pm

re: #676 KayInMaine

And all your hyperventilating about Jews and how America is killing Iraqi children on behalf of Israel? What's your spin on that?

678 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:04:55pm

re: #123 KayInMaine

LOL Facts of a hyperbole situation? Okay, now you're reaching and freaking out a little too much! If jesus walked down the main drag in Arizona, do you think he would be well-received if he looked different than the image we've all seen for years now? Seriously, it's not that far-fetched to believe that someone would mistake him as being an illegal immigrant at this point! Our nation has gone mad and I don't even think jesus would survive the ridiculousness.

I know Kay is gone now, but I just want to comment here that Jesus, being an Israeli Jew, was surely pasty white, so why would the GOP not like him?

///

679 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:09:37pm

re: #203 albusteve

I don't like the idea of the POTUS speaking at the memorial for the shooting victims...no matter how you cut it, it politicizes the event...make an official statement from the WH then stand away...so shoot me

One of the dead was a federal judge, the rest were killed at a political event, while exercising their First Amendment rights. It seems fitting to me.


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