Video: Sarah Palin Claims She’s a Victim of Blood Libel

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Today, Fox News commentator Sarah Palin finally emerged from her bomb shelter to make a statement on the Giffords shooting.

Her highly-scripted speech was read from a teleprompter (gasp!), and was very carefully written to evoke the maximum appeal to victimhood, while not backing down at all or taking any responsibility for the hate speech and violent rhetoric that’s Palin’s stock in trade.

But the almost unbelievably disgusting talking point she provides to the crazy base is that she is the victim of a “blood libel.”

Vigorous and spirited public debates during elections are among our most cherished traditions. And after the election, we shake hands and get back to work, and often both sides find common ground back in D.C. and elsewhere. If you don’t like a person’s vision for the country, you’re free to debate that vision. If you don’t like their ideas, you’re free to propose better ideas. But, especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible.

“Blood libel” is a very specific term that refers to a medieval-era antisemitic smear (a smear still used today in some Arab countries); a claim that Jews use the blood of Christian children to make matzo for religious ceremonies. The term was used to justify violence against Jews, even genocide.

The true history of the blood libel is a history drenched in irrational anti-Jewish hatred and murder. It’s utterly beyond the pale for Palin to blithely employ this term to excuse her own rhetoric — especially since Gabrielle Giffords herself is Jewish.

But I’m not surprised, because that kind of tone-deaf, ignorant appeal to right wing populism with overheated imagery exemplifies Palin’s public persona. And you can now expect the entire right wing attack machine to start vigorously parroting the phrase.

And it isn’t even original; Glenn Reynolds posted a ludicrous article at the Wall Street Journal a few days ago titled, “The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel.” That’s almost certainly where Palin’s script-writers picked it up. Palin herself probably never heard the term until they put the speech in front of her.

Notice that Palin says journalists “purport to condemn” hatred and violence. She’s actually claiming that these “journalists and pundits” don’t really condemn hatred and violence — that their condemnations are a deliberate sham intended to incite violence against her. In other words, that her critics are evil.

This is right wing inversion politics honed to a knife edge.

And notice that Palin spends hundreds of words arguing that extreme rhetoric has no effect on real world violence — then accuses “journalists and pundits” of inciting violence with rhetoric. You don’t expect logic from a dim bulb like Palin, but this is extraordinarily un-self-aware, and viciously hypocritical.

The bottom line: Sarah Palin is using a mass murder to advance her political ambitions.

Here’s the video of her speech. I’ll be very interested to see the reaction from Jewish advocacy groups.

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373 comments
1 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:14:50am

Those words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

2 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:14:59am
3 iossarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:15:35am

Everyone knows that teleprompters do the work of one man only.

Clearly Obama is personally responsible for this outrage.

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4 MarkAM  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:15:37am

This is disgusting, but hey, Palin’s fan base won’t care.

5 kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:16:05am

first, it’s a blood libel. next thing you know, she’ll be lamenting conservative electoral losses as a “republican shoah.”

6 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:18:17am

Way to be Presidential, Sarah.

7 Lateralis  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:18:47am

“while not backing down at all or taking any responsibility for the hate speech and violent rhetoric that’s Palin’s stock in trade.”

online.wsj.com

National Review’s Jay Nordlinger runs down some examples on the left:

Even before [George W.] Bush was elected president, the kill-Bush talk and imagery started. When Governor Bush was delivering his 2000 convention speech, Craig Kilborn, a CBS talk-show host, showed him on the screen with the words “SNIPERS WANTED.” Six years later, Bill Maher, the comedian-pundit, was having a conversation with John Kerry. He asked the senator what he had gotten his wife for her birthday. Kerry answered that he had taken her to Vermont. Maher said, “You could have went to New Hampshire and killed two birds with one stone.” (New Hampshire is an early primary state, of course.) Kerry said, “Or I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone.” (This is the same Kerry who joked in 1988, “Somebody told me the other day that the Secret Service has orders that if George Bush is shot, they’re to shoot Quayle.”) Also in 2006, the New York comptroller, Alan Hevesi, spoke to graduating students at Queens College. He said that his fellow Democrat, Sen. Charles Schumer, would “put a bullet between the president’s eyes if he could get away with it.”

8 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:19:02am

For a tough Grizzly Momma, she sure is quick to play the victim card.

9 elizajane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:19:02am

A new low in the ever-growing annals of Palin victimology.

But if you want a laugh, try out Arizona Rep. Trent Franks (R):

“If every person in the world was like Sarah Palin, there probably wouldn’t even be need for government because no one would be in danger of any kind,” Franks said in a phone conversation with POLITICO. “If every person were like Sarah Palin, this world would be a peaceful, beautiful world to live in.”

This man was Giffords’ colleague, for Christ’s sake.

politico.com

10 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:19:03am

The entire right wing will now start parroting the blood libel claim, in the world’s largest echo chamber.

11 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:19:24am

re: #2 HAL2010

Move along, nothing to see here.

How about some mushroom clouds to show where they lost in those targeted states?

12 MarkAM  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:19:28am

This strikes me as very similar to Clarence Thomas claim that he was subjected to a “high tech lynching.” The right’s very skilled at playing the victimhood card and that self-proclaimed victimhood inoculates her from criticism, at least in the minds of her supporters.

13 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:19:39am

re: #7 Lateralis

Didn’t take long for an apologist to show up. They’re mobilized today to defend their dim heroine.

14 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:21:08am

re: #5 kefirah

first, it’s a blood libel. next thing you know, she’ll be lamenting conservative electoral losses as a “republican shoah.”

I just wish she’d stop kvetching about this that and the other thing every time she doesn’t get what she wants…

15 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:21:29am

That phrase beyond the pale doesn’t do this justice. This is just too stupid.

Therefore, the phrase beyond the Palin should be used

16 Locker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:22:26am

re: #13 Charles

Didn’t take long for an apologist to show up. They’re mobilized today to defend their dim heroine.

You do it too! You do it too! There is nothing wrong with it, and we didn’t do it and we won’t admit it’s wrong but YOU DID IT TOO and it’s WRONG when you do it!

17 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:22:29am

re: #10 Charles

The entire right wing will now start parroting the blood libel claim, in the world’s largest echo chamber.

Twitter is divided between #blamepalin and #bloodlibel

18 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:22:57am

So it’s all about Sarah Palin and her hurt feelings. Who saw that one coming? Disgusting.

19 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:23:20am

re: #18 Jimmah

So it’s all about Sarah Palin and her hurt feelings. Who saw that one coming? Disgusting.

“STOP MAKING FUN OF ME!”

20 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:24:25am

re: #15 SpaceJesus

That phrase beyond the pale doesn’t do this justice. This is just too stupid.

Therefore, the phrase beyond the Palin should be used

Or in completely over the top ideas perhaps?

Such as “the idea that Paris Hilton will ever win an Oscar is simply beyond the Palin”.

Beyond crazy in other words.

21 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:24:47am

Best characterization I have seen yet:

Calling bad press a “blood libel” is like calling a rough day at work the “Holocaust.”

22 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:25:08am

Meanwhile back in the real world:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Second, the attribution of violent crime to mentally ill “outliers” makes it difficult to hold people accountable for inflammatory rhetoric and political activities. Politicians, commentator, and others who issue incitements to violence can fall back on the claim that “only mentally ill people” would take their suggestions seriously, and “no sane person” would commit such acts. This allows them to evade responsibility for their actions; and it is clear that many are well aware of this and exploit attitudes about mental illness to avoid accountability.

23 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:25:19am

re: #20 HAL2010

agreed. it’s a good mix of the concepts.

24 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:25:27am

re: #15 SpaceJesus

That phrase beyond the pale doesn’t do this justice. This is just too stupid.

Therefore, the phrase beyond the Palin should be used

That sir would be an insult to Michale Palin, the second funniest Palin alive today…

26 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:26:12am

What makes this absolutely fucking disgusting for me is this:

Giffords attacked Palin for her violent, dangerous rhetoric, warning that it could lead to violence. This is exactly what Palin is now criticizing as the blood libel; saying that Palin’s statements lead to violence.

So Palin is criticizing a Jew, who is in the hospital, shot through the brain, and saying she engaged in the blood libel.

Fucking insanity.

27 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:26:24am

In a just world, she would be raked for such utter insensitivity.

In this world, she’ll probably get a pass. It’s just sad.

28 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:26:34am

Wow…This shit should really facilitate reaching across the isle…
If your arm could reach…ah…Venus!or…in this case Uranus!

29 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:26:50am

They’re defending it by claiming that the term now has widespread political context, even though one of the two examples cited is Israel defending itself from repeated Arab and Palestinian claims of purposefully targeting Palestinian kids and engaging in the classic anti Semitic smear of the blood libel.

Further, claiming that just because Tony Blankley used it - improperly I might add - doesn’t justify its use here either.

More here.

It’s BS.

Blood libel has a clear meaning and context. Had Palin said that she was being libeled because of the comments directed in her direction, she might have had a point. But her use of the term is wrong - and just as wrong as Reynolds, or anyone else who used the term incorrectly.

30 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:27:01am

re: #27 makeitstop

In a just world, she would be raked for such utter insensitivity.

In this world, she’ll probably get a pass. It’s just sad.

It’s beyond the Palin.

31 Surabaya Stew  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:27:19am

re: #24 jamesfirecat

That sir would be an insult to Michale Palin, the second funniest Palin alive today…

Frankly, if my last name were “Palin”, today would be the day that I would start the legal process of changing it. How embarassing to be associated with a dangerous loon like that!

32 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:28:00am

Two apologists in the first 25 comments. I guess I’m not surprised; wingnuts probably knew this was over the line, so they’re really primed to spew the talking points today.

33 mr.fusion  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:28:07am

So on the one hand, hateful rhetoric has nothing to do with what happened Saturday morning in AZ…..on the other:

But, especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn.

34 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:28:07am

re: #25 LRonHoover

I know plenty of idiots who think libertarians are on the left. Also, this guy is 22 and way out of high school.

This might also be beyond the Palin.

35 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:28:43am
The term was used to justify violence against Jews, even genocide.

I would use “concept” here rather than “term”.

36 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:28:52am

And Sarah, you aren’t the fucking victim here, so quit playing the fucking martyr card.

37 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:29:14am

The ADL has issued a statement.

It is unfortunate that the tragedy in Tucson continues to stimulate a political blame game. Rather than step back and reflect on the lessons to be learned from this tragedy, both parties have reverted to political partisanship and finger-pointing at a time when the American people are looking for leadership, not more vitriol. In response to this tragedy we need to rise above partisanship, incivility, heated rhetoric, and the business-as-usual approaches that are corroding our political system and tainting the atmosphere in Washington and across the country.

It was inappropriate at the outset to blame Sarah Palin and others for causing this tragedy or for being an accessory to murder. Palin has every right to defend herself against these kinds of attacks, and we agree with her that the best tradition in America is one of finding common ground despite our differences.

Still, we wish that Palin had not invoked the phrase “blood-libel” in reference to the actions of journalists and pundits in placing blame for the shooting in Tucson on others. While the term “blood-libel” has become part of the English parlance to refer to someone being falsely accused, we wish that Palin had used another phrase, instead of one so fraught with pain in Jewish history.

38 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:29:23am

re: #32 Charles

Two apologists in the first 25 comments. I guess I’m not surprised; wingnuts probably knew this was over the line, so they’re really primed to spew the talking points today.

I could respect a simple “I still love Sarah, but wish she hadn’t have said that.” But no, all we get are people feeling defensive.

39 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:29:55am

re: #20 HAL2010

eh, actually, i think we need more a fake martyr element to it

40 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:30:53am

…Who will share this bitter cup
Let the wild dogs tear them up
Let the cold winds blow them down
Drive them deep beneath the ground.

-Procol Harum, “Beyond the Pale”

Youtube Video

41 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:31:20am

This was not a mistake, but a cynical career move. Brand building with colossal indifference to other people.

42 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:31:26am

re: #39 SpaceJesus

eh, actually, i think we need more a fake martyr element to it

Who/what could we invoke?

43 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:32:00am

How about “You will not nail me to a cross of hairs”?

44 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:32:42am

re: #42 HAL2010

I’m trying to think of other examples of beyond the Palin. Pretty much only Beck and Limbaugh’s fake and stupid “responses” come to mind right now

45 mr.fusion  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:32:52am

Could someone point me to one, JUST ONE, example of a liberal or respected media personality, who has said Palin was to blame, inspired Loughner, or anything to that effect? I’ve seen an awful lot of people say she needs to recognize the responsibility she has as a public figure…..but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone place the blame squarely on her shoulders.

Of course, Rush claims Loughner has the support of the entire Democratic Party….maybe the Dems just need to learn how to play the victim card in these situations.

46 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:33:07am

re: #37 lawhawk

I do feel that the ADL’s condemnation is a shadow of what it should be, and unnecessarily gives ground on the definition and usage of blood libel, but at least they said something.

47 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:33:18am

I’m half surprised she didn’t go all the way and say she’s being crucified as well.

48 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:33:32am

re: #44 SpaceJesus

I’m trying to think of other examples of beyond the Palin. Pretty much only Beck and Limbaugh’s fake and stupid “responses” come to mind right now

Bryan Fischer.

49 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:33:45am

May be useful to repeat my comments from the previous thread.

The blood libel is actually alive and well. Yes, the lethal superstition about witches is alive somewhere in Africa. But people do really believe in the blood libel in Europe, in Russia (and ex-USSR), in Islamist countries. In the former two not massively, perhaps, but the belief has really rejuvenated after the fall of the USSR and with the coming of the Internet.

Holocaust denial used to be a “highbrow” way to hate the Jews - no funny blood accusations, only the alleged rational and engineering arguments. But recently on HD sites the new blood libel books started to appear (cf. Fritz Berg’s “Nazi Gassings Never Happend” page).

Or read this:

[Link: interfax-religion.com…]

Here’s a paragraph from that “letter”:

Similarly, in the Russian Empire Jews, after unsuccessful attempts of the tsarist government to make them “like everyone else” lost equality in the XIX century not because they were Jews by blood (the empire was multi-national), not because they were non-Christians (there were Muslims, Buddhists, etc.), but because the Jewish religion - anti-Christian and misanthropic, stooped to the ritual killings in the environment of its particularly zealous adherents. Many cases of this ritual extremism were also proved in court (see, for example, a study in pre-revolutionary Ministry of Internal Affairs: V. Dahl. “Research on the murder by Jews of Christian children and of using their blood”, St. Petersburg., 1844).

I mean, we don’t have to go far. Israel Shamir spreads the “there was a Jewish sect that really did it” libel right on his site.

The Nazis knew that it had very practical consequences.

This is a letter from Himmler to Kaltenbrunner advising to give out the book about “Jewish ritual murders” to Einsatzkommando members:

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50 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:33:46am

re: #40 ralphieboy
Wow…Great find! They were considered “Odd” in their time..

51 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:34:01am

re: #41 jaunte

This was not a mistake, but a cynical career move. Brand building with colossal indifference to other people.

Absolutely. She didn’t write this speech, her handlers did. It was entirely about keeping the nutty base fired up with righteous victimhood, and building her mystique as the brave liberal basher.

She’s using a mass murder to advance her political ambitions.

52 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:34:06am

re: #47 Dreggas

Her constituency might object to that.

53 iossarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:34:20am

re: #47 Dreggas

I’m half surprised she didn’t go all the way and say she’s being crucified as well.

That would be blasphemy. Gotta be careful throwing words around like that!

54 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:34:43am

re: #44 SpaceJesus

The racist tea party leader denying everything?

55 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:34:45am

re: #49 Sergey Romanov

And here is a good history of the blood libel:

zionism-israel.com

56 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:35:22am
I’ll be very interested to see the reaction from Jewish advocacy groups.


Re-posting:

I love this quote, actually:

J Street President Jeremy Ben-Ami criticized Palin’s use of the term blood libel.

“We hope that Governor Palin will recognize, when it is brought to her attention, that the term ‘blood libel’ brings back painful echoes of a very dark time in our communal history when Jews were falsely accused of committing heinous deeds,” he said in a statement. “When Governor Palin learns that many Jews are pained by and take offense at the use of the term, we are sure that she will choose to retract her comment, apologize and make a less inflammatory choice of words.”

I imagine that there are a few people here that aren’t big fans of J Street (I am), but I think this is a very nice way to create a tactical advantage when you have a whiner like Palin.

57 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:35:32am
I’ll be very interested to see the reaction from Jewish advocacy groups.

National Jewish Democratic Council: Palin’s Incendiary “Blood Libel” Reference: Wrong Time, Wrong Place, Wrong Always

J Street Responds to Palin’s “Blood Libel” Statement

Jewish Funds for Justice: Stop Fanning the Flames of Division

58 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:35:36am

re: #46 Obdicut

I agree that they should have come out more forcefully against Palin’s usage, but they’ve opened the door to a much wider usage that undermines the definition of the term.

59 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:36:14am

re: #44 SpaceJesus

I’m trying to think of other examples of beyond the Palin. Pretty much only Beck and Limbaugh’s fake and stupid “responses” come to mind right now

Micheal Bay movies?

60 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:37:05am

re: #59 jamesfirecat

Micheal Bay movies?

“Dude, that explosion was totally beyond the Palin!”

61 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:37:36am

re: #51 Charles

Absolutely. She didn’t write this speech, her handlers did. It was entirely about keeping the nutty base fired up with righteous victimhood, and building her mystique as the brave liberal basher.

She’s using a mass murder to advance her political ambitions.

Being brave enough to tell the truth looks remarkably similar to being a bitch who could give a shit less about people who don’t blindly support her.

62 allegro  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:37:48am

I never heard anyone blame Sarah et al for the shooting. Not once and I’m getting sick of hearing it. I’ve heard many, many people rightfully blame the very open and clear promotion of an atmosphere of paranoia and violence in this country from the right wingers that contribute to the reality of violence. I don’t see any way to deny that it hasn’t both in this incident and others in the recent past.

63 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:37:56am

Iceweasel comments (her laptop is awaiting service right now):

Of all the sins that John McCain has committed in his political career, the one he’ll be most reviled for is foisting such a disgusting idiotic gimboid as Sarah Palin on the national political scene.

64 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:38:26am

re: #26 Obdicut

So Palin is criticizing a Jew, who is in the hospital, shot through the brain, and saying she engaged in the blood libel.

Fucking insanity.

I’m going to shamelessly steel that comment and post it at other sites.

65 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:38:47am

re: #51 Charles

Absolutely. She didn’t write this speech, her handlers did. It was entirely about keeping the nutty base fired up with righteous victimhood, and building her mystique as the brave liberal basher.

She’s using a mass murder to advance her political ambitions.

I also started to notice a few weeks ago that the wingnuts had almost completely given up on her. Comments on sites like Hot Air were increasingly down on Palin and other wingnut blogs were just ignoring her. Her star was almost completely fallen. She’s now making a huge comeback in the wake of the Gifford shooting.

66 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:38:57am

re: #63 Jimmah

Iceweasel comments (her laptop is awaiting service right now):

Of all the sins that John McCain has committed in his political career, the one he’ll be most reviled for is foisting such a disgusting idiotic gimboid as Sarah Palin on the national political scene.

That’s sad if its true considering just how pathetic his opposition to DADT repeal got in the end….

67 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:39:30am

re: #64 Talking Point Detective

I’m going to steal it also.

68 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:39:32am

re: #53 iossarian

That would be blasphemy. Gotta be careful throwing words around like that!

Not if Sister Sarah said it.

69 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:39:39am

Right, off to have some dinner as it is in fact evening over here.

I’ll be back later. Toodles.

71 Lateralis  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:40:47am

re: #13 Charles

Really…apologist. I could careless what Sarah Palin or any politician thinks about anything. Although, the more the left freaks out the more money she is going to make. The focus on this tragedy should not be on anything but the killer that pulled the trigger. I posted the examples because there is plenty of examples of rhetoric on both sides that is questionable. However, Charles you are always so fanatic about science but when it comes to this situation, is it ok to make a causal link when there is none?

72 Ming  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:41:16am

This week has been very revealing about Palin’s psychology. Ever since Katie Couric, Palin has kept herself remarkably sheltered from journalists. After this week, it seems clear that if Palin does become Vice President or President in January 2013, an unbelievable, extraordinary, incredible amount of her psychology will be revealed to the entire world, for as long as she holds either office. This will be a freak show that goes completely beyond anything we’ve seen thus far, including the OJ Simpson trial in the mid-90’s, or Monica Lewinsky in 1998.

73 CarleeCork  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:41:37am

re: #29 lawhawk
Someone needs to tell that to the Jewish Community.

74 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:41:42am

re: #65 Killgore Trout

I haven’t been paying attention to ANYTHING she’s said or done!
Weird eh?
Can’t bring my self to look at her show…and I love that sort of documentary….

75 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:41:44am

re: #70 000G

Sarah Palin’s charge of ‘blood libel’ spurs outcry from Jewish leaders (LA Times)

U.S. Jewish leaders slam Sarah Palin’s blood libel accusation (Haaretz)

Jewish Republicans muted on Palin’s ‘blood libel’ comment (The Hill)

I really don’t think these are the types of headlines she would have liked to have her statement spur.

76 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:42:10am

re: #70 000G

Sarah Palin’s charge of ‘blood libel’ spurs outcry from Jewish leaders (LA Times)

U.S. Jewish leaders slam Sarah Palin’s blood libel accusation (Haaretz)

Jewish Republicans muted on Palin’s ‘blood libel’ comment (The Hill)

I’m sure LVQ would have some choice words at the moment if he were hear concerning the GOP and the Jews….

77 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:42:31am

re: #66 jamesfirecat

That’s sad if its true considering just how pathetic his opposition to DADT repeal got in the end…

True, but that was just a pathetic exercise in self humiliation for him - Sarah Palin is potentially much more damaging and could be around a lot longer.

78 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:42:41am

Westboro Baptist Church agrees to not protest slain child’s funeral

Shirley Phelps-Roper of the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka says church members will skip Thursday’s funeral of Christina Taylor Green in Tucson.

Phelps-Roper says the church decided against the picket in exchange for airtime with 102.1 The Edge in Toronto, Canada, and an interview with KXXT-AM in Phoenix, Ariz. on Saturday morning.

79 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:42:54am

The Palin Target Map has the similar problem. It’s not as straightforward:

content.usatoday.com

In a website launched on Thursday, the six-month anniversary of the health care law, Palin puts a bull’s-eye on 20 House districts under a headline that reads, “We’ve diagnosed the problem…Help us prescribe the solution.”

But, I mean, problem … solution … smart person won’t couple these words with crosshairs.

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80 tnguitarist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:43:15am

From an article on HuffPo in response to criticisms of her “second amendment remedies”.

In the statement she issued on Wednesday, Angle said, “I have consistently called for reasonable political dialogue on policy issues to encourage civil political education and debate.”

And when was this?

81 elizajane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:43:26am

Actually, simply putting out a 7-minute scripted video on this subject, in which she sits grimly in front of an American flag, shows a mind-boggling degree of assumed self-importance.

Did any other half-term governor do this? Any other Fox commentator? Hell’s bells, even the current president of the United States did not do this; he actually went to Arizona. Taped solemn speeches in front of flags is what heads of states do on occasions of overwhelming (inter)national catastrophe.

Who the hell does she think she is? And why is nobody else asking this question about her video?

82 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:43:43am
It is in the hour when our values are challenged that we must remain resolve to protect those values. Recall how the events of 911 challenged our values and we had to fight the tendency to trade our freedoms for perceived security.

Isn’t that exactly what we did?

83 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:43:59am

re: #64 Talking Point Detective

I’m going to shamelessly steel that comment and post it at other sites.

Just make sure you preserve the entire line of logic, so people can’t say “No she wuz just talking about journalists”.

84 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:44:03am

re: #71 Lateralis

Really…apologist.

Yes, apologist.

However, Charles you are always so fanatic about science but when it comes to this situation, is it ok to make a causal link when there is none?

You’re full of shit. Not once have I claimed that Sarah Palin is the “cause” of this mass murder.

85 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:44:50am

re: #81 elizajane

Who the hell does she think she is? And why is nobody else asking this question about her video?


She’s a sled that a lot of people are riding on, trying to get back into power.

86 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:44:53am

re: #81 elizajane

Actually, simply putting out a 7-minute scripted video on this subject, in which she sits grimly in front of an American flag, shows a mind-boggling degree of assumed self-importance.

Did any other half-term governor do this? Any other Fox commentator? Hell’s bells, even the current president of the United States did not do this; he actually went to Arizona. Taped solemn speeches in front of flags is what heads of states do on occasions of overwhelming (inter)national catastrophe.

Who the hell does she think she is? And why is nobody else asking this question about her video?

I did, sort of.

87 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:44:54am

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently they had a moment of clarity in self preservation!!!
…..But only a moment!

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89 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:45:21am

re: #8 Reginald Perrin

For a tough Grizzly Momma, she sure is quick to play the victim card.

Par for the course for the teabaggers and the rest of the modern GOP. They’re the most thin-skinned bunch of crybabies I’ve ever seen.

90 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:45:30am

Her presidential campaign stock with the Smart Money (Intrade) has been dropping since December, and took a big hit in the last few days.

intrade.com&contractId=686537

Big damage-control requirements.

91 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:45:56am

re: #88 Earwig

Piss off. I’m really not in a mood to deal with idiots like you today.

92 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:46:08am

re: #84 Charles

You’re full of shit. Not once have I claimed that Sarah Palin is the “cause” of this mass murder.

Since when is actually doing something a necessary criterion for being accused of doing so?

Completely unrealistic.

93 AlexRogan  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:46:16am

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Westboro Baptist Church agrees to not protest slain child’s funeral

Fucking attention whores, holding that little girl’s family hostage for airtime.

*spit*

94 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:46:26am

re: #80 tnguitarist

From an article on HuffPo in response to criticisms of her “second amendment remedies”.

In the statement she issued on Wednesday, Angle said, “I have consistently called for reasonable political dialogue on policy issues to encourage civil political education and debate.”

And when was this?

I’m going to go hit myself in the head repeatedly with a hammer now.

It’s really, really difficult not to let hatred take over. Really difficult.

95 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:46:29am

re: #81 elizajane

Actually, simply putting out a 7-minute scripted video on this subject, in which she sits grimly in front of an American flag, shows a mind-boggling degree of assumed self-importance.

Did any other half-term governor do this? Any other Fox commentator? Hell’s bells, even the current president of the United States did not do this; he actually went to Arizona. Taped solemn speeches in front of flags is what heads of states do on occasions of overwhelming (inter)national catastrophe.

Who the hell does she think she is? And why is nobody else asking this question about her video?

Oh I’ve been asking myself that for the past 15 minutes. Honestly, I don’t know what Sarah Palin is. She’s something of a… I can’t believe I’m using this word… Statesman to many
Americans.

96 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:47:38am

re: #80 tnguitarist

From an article on HuffPo in response to criticisms of her “second amendment remedies”.

In the statement she issued on Wednesday, Angle said, “I have consistently called for reasonable political dialogue on policy issues to encourage civil political education and debate.”

Liar

97 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:47:46am

re: #95 JasonA

Oh I’ve been asking myself that for the past 15 minutes. Honestly, I don’t know what Sarah Palin is. She’s something of a… I can’t believe I’m using this word… Statesman to many
Americans.

And an Esther to some.

98 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:47:52am

re: #90 Decatur Deb

Yeah, i think Nate Silver just lost his bet.

99 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:48:00am

re: #26 Obdicut

Whoa. One of your best evah.

100 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:48:08am

re: #97 Jadespring

And an Esther to some.

Bazinga.

101 tnguitarist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:48:59am

re: #95 JasonA

Oh I’ve been asking myself that for the past 15 minutes. Honestly, I don’t know what Sarah Palin is. She’s something of a… I can’t believe I’m using this word… Statesman to many
Americans.

She’s a spokesmodel. That’s all they need her to be.

102 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:49:22am

Sarah is preaching to the choir these days: her devoted-but-dwindling following of zealous believers.

They will support her through thick and thin. But almost everyone else is quietly distancing themselves from her, they have come to see the Power and the Glory of her madness.

103 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:50:44am

ahhh someone used the BL word. Didn’t even know what it was until yesterday and now it is on the “words that shall not be mentioned list.”

104 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:51:24am
105 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:51:27am

OT: Anyone seen the Social Network. Any good? I rented it, but haven’t watched it yet.

106 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:51:30am

On another note, I find it interesting that someone who considers themselves such a friend to Jews and Israel rarely seems to know anything about them.

107 Randy W. Weeks  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:51:34am

Have we ever seen the likes of Palin in modern American politics?

She’s a seriously messed up person.

Thanks a lot, John.

108 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:51:53am

re: #104 MikeySDCA

FNC is calling what happened on Saturday a massacre. Isn’t the word a little over the top for five dead?

The language is being nibbled to death like this.

Ahem…. how many people died in the “Boston Massacre”?

109 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:52:13am

re: #104 MikeySDCA

FNC is calling what happened on Saturday a massacre. Isn’t the word a little over the top for five dead?

The language is being nibbled to death like this.

“Assassination Attempt” doesn’t grab as many viewers?

110 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:53:07am

re: #101 tnguitarist

She’s a spokesmodel. That’s all they need her to be.

They should start making models like he with mute button.

111 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:53:26am

re: #101 tnguitarist

She’s a spokesmodel. That’s all they need her to be.

Pretty much. It’s why she was chosen to be McCain’s VP.

She’s never been expected to know anything. She’s just expected to rile up the idiots and rubes and get them to vote. That’s her job. Actual depth and/or intellect from Sarah? Please. They knew when they chose her as VP that she wasn’t being picked for her brains.

112 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:53:31am

So I wonder if Sarah Palin will be fashioning a Gollum next?

113 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:54:08am

re: #104 MikeySDCA

FNC is calling what happened on Saturday a massacre. Isn’t the word a little over the top for five dead?

The language is being nibbled to death like this.

Not really. In risk management language, 6 deaths is matrixed as “Catastrophic”.

114 Lateralis  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:54:52am

re: #84 Charles

How many of the threads on your blog have been about right wing rre: #84 Charles

It was a question not a statement.

115 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:55:34am

re: #114 Lateralis

Not surprised you’re defending this. You’re also a fan of 9/11 Truther Andrew Napolitano.

116 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:56:47am

re: #114 Lateralis

How many of the threads on your blog have been about right wing rre: #84 Charles

It was a question not a statement.

Maybe if the right wing would stop being stupid Charles wouldn’t have to keep beating them with a his Clue By Four…

117 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:56:52am

re: #104 MikeySDCA

FNC is calling what happened on Saturday a massacre. Isn’t the word a little over the top for five dead?

The language is being nibbled to death like this.

I think it’s fine to use that word, even if it may not be the best word to described what happened.

Blood libel is specifically and only ever used in connection with slandering Jews. This woman opens her mouth and falls down deeper every time. What next? She’ll compare her suffering to the holocaust or better yet, “shoah”.

Charles, you rock!!

118 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:56:59am

Six people are dead, a Congresswoman lies in Critical condition, and the nation is swimming in Wingnut tears.

119 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:57:49am

re: #115 Charles

Sorry, wrong apologist. That was the now-gone “Earwig.”

120 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:58:01am

re: #117 marjoriemoon

I think it’s fine to use that word, even if it may not be the best word to described what happened.

Blood libel is specifically and only ever used in connection with slandering Jews. This woman opens her mouth and falls down deeper every time. What next? She’ll compare her suffering to the holocaust or better yet, “shoah”.

Charles, you rock!!

Nah, now I think she’ll move on to Christian martyr language…

121 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:58:18am

re: #93 talon_262

Fucking attention whores, holding that little girl’s family hostage for airtime.

*spit*

Give them all the airtime they want (they should pay for it like any other advertiser). People have the choice to turn off the radio.

Anyone know if these stations are played in public venues, like over the loudspeaker at stores in shopping malls?

122 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:59:36am

re: #104 MikeySDCA

FNC is calling what happened on Saturday a massacre. Isn’t the word a little over the top for five dead?

The language is being nibbled to death like this.

The public murder of six people all at once is a massacre. No hyperbole here.

123 tnguitarist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:00:23am

re: #121 Alouette

Down here, every business you walk in has fox news playing.

124 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:00:34am

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Westboro Baptist Church agrees to not protest slain child’s funeral

The radio station could forget to turn their mikes on.

125 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:01:38am

re: #116 jamesfirecat

Maybe if the right wing would stop being stupid Charles wouldn’t have to keep beating them with a his Clue By Four…

Someone needs to get Charles a whole forest of cluebats and clue by fours. I’m thinking this latest round of idiocy from Caribou Barbie is going to open the floodgates.

We’re now going to see “blood libel” thrown around by the GOP every time someone gets their feelings hurt, and just because Sarah did it here. *sigh*

126 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:02:53am

re: #108 jamesfirecat

Ahem… how many people died in the “Boston Massacre”?

Or the “St Valentine’s Day Massacre”?

127 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:03:23am

Okay, I get where the far-right is going now: Palin uses blood libel to tie libs to anti-Semitism and persecution; Gingrich says libs only care protecting Muslims and don’t care about terrorism; King says Muslims aren’t American when it comes to war, therefore:

Libs/Dems = Evil, unpatriotic, terrorist loving anti-Semites who don’t care about American lives and are trying to demonize the Right/GOP over the Tuscon shootings (because they and their President secretly hate America and want to destroy it)

Right/GOP = Righteous, patriotic, Real Americans™ who only want to protect America from the barbarian Muslim hordes at the gate (or the 5th column composed of American Muslims—take your pick); now if the left would just stop persecuting them long enough to let them do their job…

Nothing new, just reframing of old stuff. Furious deflection as damage control.

128 otoc  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:03:28am

re: #25 LRonHoover

Also from the real world

Loughner’s friend says
He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right.

If you actually watch the linked news vid, instead of simply pulling quotes, his high school friend hadn’t seen him for the last two years. Please explain to me how that is from a real world. How about the last two years that have more relevance since he wasn’t shooting members of Congress two years ago.

It saddens me that cherry picking of events is used to take away from the same thing that Palin acknowledges. That rhetoric “serves only to incite the very hatred and violence”. I guess only rhetoric from the left and not rhetoric from the right.

On that note, I’ve seen pundits from the left acknowledge the effect that harsh rhetoric may have and with it a promise to stop it. I see only offense, denial, and defense from those on the right at this time.

What a shame. What a missed opportunity.

129 wee fury  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:05:06am

Sarah Palin is not a good speech-giver. She needs to work on her presentation (both vocal tone and facial expression).
My 2 cents.

130 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:05:47am

re: #81 elizajane

Actually, simply putting out a 7-minute scripted video on this subject, in which she sits grimly in front of an American flag, shows a mind-boggling degree of assumed self-importance.

Did any other half-term governor do this? Any other Fox commentator? Hell’s bells, even the current president of the United States did not do this; he actually went to Arizona. Taped solemn speeches in front of flags is what heads of states do on occasions of overwhelming (inter)national catastrophe.

Who the hell does she think she is? And why is nobody else asking this question about her video?

It took her 5 days to come out with this. For the last 4 days, the media has been showing her crosshairs map and repeating her “Don’t Retreat, Reload” statement. If she had any humanity, she would have spoken up immediately because it took only hours for people to remember her nasty imagery.

But, instead, like the good bullshitter that she is, she took her time, picked her words, probably had a litany of lawyers go over the text, until she was quite sure what she wanted to say and how to present it. The fact that people CAN’T see through her just blows my mind.

131 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:05:58am

re: #121 Alouette

Give them all the airtime they want (they should pay for it like any other advertiser). People have the choice to turn off the radio.

Anyone know if these stations are played in public venues, like over the loudspeaker at stores in shopping malls?

Here’s a link to one station show, In Toronto.

edge.ca

It looks like it was not about giving an interview but basically the show host being pissed at them for doing it and making them promise.

There’s no way this particular show or station is sympathetic to them.

132 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:06:41am

GOP leadership (Boehner and Cantor) oppose Rep. King’s proposal to make it a crime to carry a firearm within 1,000 feet of a federal official (President, VP, Congress, and members of federal judiciary).

Brad Dayspring, a spokesman for Rep. Cantor told the Daily News majority leader is against the proposed legislation.

“The proposal wouldn’t have prevented this tragedy, or other mentally unstable individuals or criminals from committing horrific acts,” said Dayspring.

Boehner’s spokesman, Michael Steel, told The Hill that the speaker, too, was against the measure.

On Wednesday, a teary-eyed Boehner opened a session of the House by honoring victims of the Arizona shooting and introducing a resolution to recognize and condemn the tragedy.

133 recusancy  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:06:46am

First Comes Fear

Six months ago, police in California pulled over a truck that turned out to contain a rifle, a handgun, a shotgun and body armor. Police learned from the driver — sometime after he opened fire on them — that he was heading for San Francisco, where he planned to kill people at the Tides Foundation. You’ve probably never heard of the Tides Foundation — unless you watch Glenn Beck, who had mentioned it more than two dozen times in the preceding six months, depicting it as part of a communist plot to “infiltrate” our society and seize control of big business.

Note the parallel with Loughner’s case. Loughner was convinced that a conspiracy was afoot — a conspiracy by the government to control our thoughts (via grammar, in his bizarre worldview). So he decided to kill one of the conspirators.

It’s not clear where Loughner got his conspiracy theory. The leading contender is a self-styled “king of Hawaii” who harbors, along with his beliefs about government mind control, a conviction that the world will end next year. But it doesn’t matter who Loughner got the idea from or whether you consider it left wing or right wing. The point is that Americans who wildly depict other Americans as dark conspirators, as the enemy, are in fact increasing the chances, however marginally, that those Americans will be attacked.

In that sense, the emphasis the left is placing on violent rhetoric and imagery is probably misplaced. Sure, calls to violence, explicit or implicit, can have effect. But the more incendiary theme in current discourse is the consignment of Americans to the category of alien, of insidious other. Once Glenn Beck had sufficiently demonized people at the Tides Foundation, actually advocating the violence wasn’t necessary.

134 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:06:56am

re: #129 wee fury

Sarah Palin is not a good speech-giver. She needs to work on her presentation (both vocal tone and facial expression).
My 2 cents.

Those are the least of her problems. Being a raging zealot, a shameless, self-aggrandizing attention whore, and a proudly ignorant nutbar are far more of a problem for her.

135 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:06:57am

re: #71 Lateralis

Really…apologist. I could careless what Sarah Palin or any politician thinks about anything. Although, the more the left freaks out the more money she is going to make. The focus on this tragedy should not be on anything but the killer that pulled the trigger. I posted the examples because there is plenty of examples of rhetoric on both sides that is questionable. However, Charles you are always so fanatic about science but when it comes to this situation, is it ok to make a causal link when there is none?

Could you please reconcile the bolded part with the italicized part? If I called Sarah Palin an “enemy of humanity”, would that be over the line? How about if I said that she was trying to kill your grandparents? Would that be over the line?

If you whine about inflammatory rhetoric, and simultaneously claim it has no effect, then what is your point? Can you please pick one of the two mutually exclusive deflections?

136 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:07:02am

re: #128 otoc

If you actually watch the linked news vid, instead of simply pulling quotes, his high school friend hadn’t seen him for the last two years. Please explain to me how that is from a real world. How about the last two years that have more relevance since he wasn’t shooting members of Congress two years ago.

And IIRC, the other ‘friend’ who became the source of the charge that ‘he’s a liberal’ hadn’t seen him in a few years, either.

I’m getting the feeling that this guy’s ‘friends’ quit him a long time ago and are now claiming to be his friend for TV face time or column inches in their local newspaper.

137 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:07:07am

Just once (and if one has done this already please point me in their direction) I would like a politician to come out and say, “you know, I may have used gun or killer related language in the past, but upon reflecting on the events in Tucson this past week, I realize that while I meant such comments to be figurative, such language can be easily missunderstood. In the future I will stick to sports analogies when characterizing the errors of the other side of the political spectrum.” Rather than point the finger, I would like to see some accountability. If anyone has or will do this I will become a fan for life of their career.

138 AlexRogan  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:07:47am

re: #124 jaunte

The radio station could forget to turn their mikes on.

Or have to take their transmitter down for “maintenance” just when the WBC turds go to take the air…and not tell them.

140 Alexzander  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:07:54am

Does anybody else think this was the beginning of a campaign to position Palin as appearing more presidential?

141 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:08:28am

re: #135 Fozzie Bear

Woops, first of those two sentences was supposed to be bolded, second italicized. I suck at this.

142 Cog  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:08:28am

I don’t think Glenn Reynolds article was very biased or ludicrous at all. In fact, it was one of the more balanced and reasoned looks at the situation that came out shortly after the tradgedy. As Glenn noted today, he used “blood libel” in his article, but the headline was written for him by the paper as it often is with the MSM and columnists.

There is no equivocation. There is heated, disgusting, and violent rhetoric on both sides, but anyone trying to pin the blame for the shootings on Palin or the tea party is either intentionally dishonest or delusional.

You can’t spin it any other way. What happened was a tragedy of the human condition, not a tragedy of the left or right.

143 KingKenrod  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:08:28am

re: #129 wee fury

Sarah Palin is not a good speech-giver. She needs to work on her presentation (both vocal tone and facial expression).
My 2 cents.

That’s an understatement. She’s awful.

144 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:09:47am

re: #131 Jadespring

Here’s a link to one station show, In Toronto.

[Link: www.edge.ca…]

It looks like it was not about giving an interview but basically the show host being pissed at them for doing it and making them promise.

There’s no way this particular show or station is sympathetic to them.

Are they going to tell listeners to TURN OFF their radios before giving the interview?

145 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:09:47am

Also, could someone explain to me how “acts of monstrous criminality stand on their own. They begin and end with the criminals who commit them” square with “a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn?”

If we accept Caribou Barbie’s premise that criminal violence “stands on (its) own,” then how in the hell does it immediately follow that anything the media says could incite “hatred and violence”?

Must be that magical vacuum that creates lone wolf gunmen at work, I guess.

146 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:09:58am

re: #140 Alexzander

Does anybody else think this was the beginning of a campaign to position Palin as appearing more presidential?

If so, it’s the Fail Of The Year. OTOH, the rubes just might buy it.

147 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:10:10am

re: #127 CuriousLurker

FWIW, I think they already had this narrative in mind for the 2012 elections, but the Tuscon shootings forced them to trot it out earlier than expected, so now the presentation is kinda sloppy. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.

148 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:10:46am

Sharron Angle jumps on the victim bandwagon….
Sharron Angle Defends Inflammatory Rhetoric In Face Of Criticism

“Expanding the context of the attack to blame and to infringe upon the people’s Constitutional liberties is both dangerous and ignorant,” she said. “The irresponsible assignment of blame to me, Sarah Palin or the Tea Party movement by commentators and elected officials puts all who gather to redress grievances in danger.”

149 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:10:49am

re: #140 Alexzander

Does anybody else think this was the beginning of a campaign to position Palin as appearing more presidential?

She couldn’t appear “more presidential” if she was running against Daisy Duck.

150 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:11:00am

re: #142 Cog

Lately most of the gun and revolution rhetoric has been coming from one side, and that’s what we’ve been talking about. There isn’t a current equivalency.

151 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:11:15am

re: #144 Alouette

Are they going to tell listeners to TURN OFF their radios before giving the interview?

Make it a call in show and make sure the 5 second delay is working.

152 CarleeCork  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:12:09am

re: #136 makeitstop
Fifteen minutes. America has become the land of the attention whores.

153 recusancy  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:12:19am

re: #140 Alexzander

Does anybody else think this was the beginning of a campaign to position Palin as appearing more presidential?

LOL

154 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:12:26am

re: #140 Alexzander

Does anybody else think this was the beginning of a campaign to position Palin as appearing more presidential?

More of a desperate ploy to salvage such an appearance.

155 Fenris  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:13:09am

From the article:

I’ll be very interested to see the reaction from Jewish advocacy groups.

According to Haaretz, the National Jewish Democratic Council and Jewish Funds for Justice have condemned the statement. The ADL’s reaction was mixed, stating that while Palin has a right to defend herself (which I agree, that’s how any decent court system works,) the “blood libel” statement was painful and heated rhetoric in general is corrosive.

156 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:13:31am

re: #142 Cog

I don’t think Glenn Reynolds article was very biased or ludicrous at all. In fact, it was one of the more balanced and reasoned looks at the situation that came out shortly after the tradgedy. As Glenn noted today, he used “blood libel” in his article, but the headline was written for him by the paper as it often is with the MSM and columnists.

There is no equivocation. There is heated, disgusting, and violent rhetoric on both sides, but anyone trying to pin the blame for the shootings on Palin or the tea party is either intentionally dishonest or delusional.

You can’t spin it any other way. What happened was a tragedy of the human condition, not a tragedy of the left or right.

I don’t know how many times liberals have to say this, but just in case you guys don’t get it…

NO ONE IS BLAMING PALIN FOR THE SHOOTING OF GIFFORDS.

What is that, some kind of diversion for the guilty conscious of the Right?

No, it is NOT HER FAULT. Her fault is stirring up the pot, boiling up the blood, or as Leonard Pitts, Jr. said it, “It was not the seed, but it was the soil.”

157 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:13:34am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Sharron Angle jumps on the victim bandwagon…
Sharron Angle Defends Inflammatory Rhetoric In Face Of Criticism

All aboard!
Image: circle-the-wagons.jpg

158 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:13:40am

Oh, and I love how Sarah has made today all about her and her blatant and offensive misuse of the phrase “blood libel”.

Today’s the day of the memorial service for the victims of the shooting, AND the day that a House resolution honoring the victims is supposed to come out. But now all the attention is on this shameless, self-aggrandizing attention whore from Alaska. Again.

Stay classy, Sarah. =P

159 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:13:47am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Sharron Angle jumps on the victim bandwagon…
Sharron Angle Defends Inflammatory Rhetoric In Face Of Criticism

Because as we all know, criticism equates to suppression of first amendment rights. These people seriously don’t have any idea how to stop playing the victim card.

160 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:13:57am

re: #129 wee fury

Sarah Palin is not a good speech-giver. She needs to work on her presentation (both vocal tone and facial expression).
My 2 cents.

Are you implying that the problem is only with her presentation and nothing to do with it’s insane content?

161 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:14:29am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Sharron Angle jumps on the victim bandwagon…
Sharron Angle Defends Inflammatory Rhetoric In Face Of Criticism

Oh yea, Sharon “Let’s take him out” Angle. Poor dear.

162 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:14:42am

re: #140 Alexzander

Does anybody else think this was the beginning of a campaign to position Palin as appearing more presidential?

Sort of like Suzanne Stone

163 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:15:02am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Sharron Angle jumps on the victim bandwagon…
Sharron Angle Defends Inflammatory Rhetoric In Face Of Criticism

Tellin’ me to kool it iz infrinjin’ on mah Konstitooshunal Rytez!!!11!

164 Sionainn  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:15:03am

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Westboro Baptist Church agrees to not protest slain child’s funeral

I hope the stations, after the funeral, tell them to f-off.

165 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:15:04am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Sharron Angle jumps on the victim bandwagon…
Sharron Angle Defends Inflammatory Rhetoric In Face Of Criticism

Does the simpleton realize that the dead were at a gathering for the “redress of grievances”?

166 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:15:09am

re: #152 CarleeCork

Fifteen minutes. America has become the land of the attention whores.

I’m having a hard time finding words to say how dispiriting this is.

167 Locker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:15:36am

re: #84 Charles

Yes, apologist.

You’re full of shit. Not once have I claimed that Sarah Palin is the “cause” of this mass murder.

This is the same bullshit we are seeing everywhere. Wing nuts claiming liberals are holding Sarah Palin and co responsible when that’s not the case. They just make it up then pretend to be the great defenders. Fuckheads.

168 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:15:57am

re: #140 Alexzander

Does anybody else think this was the beginning of a campaign to position Palin as appearing more presidential?

Yes, I thought that right away. I’m glad that whoever planned it failed so miserably. They could’ve followed Frum’s advice, but they didn’t.

169 S'latch  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:16:30am

Sarah Palin’s use of the term “Blood Libel” actually is consistent with the fundamentalist Christian “replacement theology” that teaches that they, the True Christians, have replaced the Jews as the chosen people. “The borrowing, the redefining, and the conclusions are obvious — and ominous ….” (Mark W. Sanders, former Pentecostal, fundamentalist minister).

170 Fenris  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:16:42am

re: #161 marjoriemoon

Oh yea, Sharon “Let’s take him out” Angle. Poor dear.

Sharron “Second Amendment Remedy” Angle? I’m not surprised in the slightest.

171 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:16:51am

Monkey See, Monkey Do

See a post looking like it matches your pre-conceived opinion, link a post matching your pre-conceived opinion.

That’s the only reflection going on in wingerdom. A house of smoke and mirrors.

172 wee fury  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:17:17am

re: #160 Reginald Perrin

Are you implying that the problem is only with her presentation and nothing to do with it’s insane content?

No. Not implying anything.
My two sentences say what I meant to say.

173 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:18:42am

re: #169 Lawrence Schmerel

Sarah Palin’s use of the term “Blood Libel” actually is consistent with the fundamentalist Christian “replacement theology” that teaches that they, the True Christians, have replaced the Jews as the chosen people. “The borrowing, the redefining, and the conclusions are obvious — and ominous ….” (Mark W. Sanders, former Pentecostal, fundamentalist minister).

King of like the Palestinians co-opting the Holocaust?

174 Alexzander  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:19:11am

re: #168 CuriousLurker

Yes, I thought that right away. I’m glad that whoever planned it failed so miserably. They could’ve followed Frum’s advice, but they didn’t.

I think its likely an impossible task to position Palin anymore than that. Thats probably the ceiling for her. It would be interesting to know how the video went over in Palin-friendly territories.

175 S'latch  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:19:44am

re: #173 Alouette

Kind of like that, I guess.

176 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:19:47am

re: #144 Alouette

Are they going to tell listeners to TURN OFF their radios before giving the interview?

I think it’s already been done. It looks like they have had them on before, basically to make fun of them. The last time was January 6 before the shooting. Though the Westboros probably don’t get that or care.

So my assumption is that since they had had them on before maybe when they found out about this protest and forced a promise by saying we’ll never have you on again.

177 sagehen  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:20:03am

re: #7 Lateralis

“while not backing down at all or taking any responsibility for the hate speech and violent rhetoric that’s Palin’s stock in trade.”

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

National Review’s Jay Nordlinger runs down some examples on the left:


So to find examples from the left I could count on the fingers of one hand, you have to go back more than a decade.

I can find that many examples from the right on any given day over the last two years.

Your magical balance fairy is spinning in circles, being so heavily weighted on one wing.

178 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:20:40am

The Harpy has joined the fray. (Google Cache)

a-conspiracy-against-the-mind-against-life-against-man-and-the-virtue-of-sarah

“Today Sarah Palin responded to the vicious blood libel leveled against her by the army of destroyers. The ferocious, relentless attacks on Sarah Palin is a testament to her greatness, proof of how deathly afraid of her they are, like Dracula to the silver cross.”

GAG!

179 JamesWI  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:21:29am

I love the right-wingers who say “Oh, but the liberals are using violent rhetoric too!!!”

Let’s see:

Their examples of left-wingers using violent rhetoric is someone calling some people on the right “enemies” or saying that the left needs to “punch back harder.”

The examples of right-wingers using violent rhetoric are scores of people saying “If you don’t do what we want you to do, we just might have to start a revolution and kill people”

But it’s all the same people! Magical balance fairy says both sides are doing the same thing!

180 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:22:00am

re: #178 Bubblehead II

The Harpy has joined the fray. (Google Cache)

a-conspiracy-against-the-mind-against-life-against -man-and-the-virtue-of-sarah

“Today Sarah Palin responded to the vicious blood libel leveled against her by the army of destroyers. The ferocious, relentless attacks on Sarah Palin is a testament to her greatness, proof of how deathly afraid of her they are, like Dracula to the silver cross.”

GAG!

I was wondering when she would start raging.

181 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:22:33am

re: #174 Alexzander

I think its likely an impossible task to position Palin anymore than that. Thats probably the ceiling for her. It would be interesting to know how the video went over in Palin-friendly territories.

She can do no wrong in the eyes of her base.

182 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:22:35am

re: #176 Jadespring

Oops it was January 5. Here’s the description of the show.

The guys talked about other morning shows in the city during Listener E-Mail. New York Jets coach, Rex Ryan, has a foot fetish video of him and his wife on the internet. Shirley Phelps from the Westboro Baptist Church spoke to the guys on the phone to preach tolerance and love….not really. Finally a gallon of water and a freak accident headlined the Edgefiles.

183 Alexzander  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:22:50am

Ok here is a redstate perspective on the Palin speech:

Mister President, here’s the bar that you have to clear.
It’s a high one. A much higher one than your attendants are telling you that it is. They are almost certainly telling you to concentrate on the ‘blood libel’ comment - which, by the way, will immediately resonate with at least 40% of the population of the country, mostly because it is darned accurate* - but what you really need to do is take note of the fact that she’s saying the things that the President should be saying right now about the need to come together, the glory of this country - and, yes, that the Democratic party is acting like a bunch of [expletive deleted] right now, and that they need to stop.

Call in your speechwriters. Make them watch this speech. Tell them that you need one just like it, only twice as good. Because if you don’t - if you go with your usual scheme where you try to set yourself up as the only rational solution in a world full of the irrationa - you will merely hasten your irrelevance.

Pretty funny. A lot of the ‘base’ in the right still thinks Palin is their candidate!

184 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:22:53am

re: #178 Bubblehead II

The Harpy has joined the fray. (Google Cache)

What world does this woman live in?

185 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:23:06am

re: #178 Bubblehead II

The Harpy has joined the fray. (Google Cache)

a-conspiracy-against-the-mind-against-life-against -man-and-the-virtue-of-sarah

“Today Sarah Palin responded to the vicious blood libel leveled against her by the army of destroyers. The ferocious, relentless attacks on Sarah Palin is a testament to her greatness, proof of how deathly afraid of her they are, like Dracula to the silver cross.”

GAG!

Pamz is Teh Westboro Church of Teh Intertubes.

186 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:23:14am

re: #178 Bubblehead II

It’s like a wall made of gaudy bricks.

187 FQ Kafir  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:23:44am

Charles:

I’ll be very interested to see the reaction from Jewish advocacy groups.


Abe Foxman’s statement:

It was inappropriate at the outset to blame Sarah Palin and others for causing this tragedy or for being an accessory to murder. Palin has every right to defend herself against these kinds of attacks, and we agree with her that the best tradition in America is one of finding common ground despite our differences.

Still, we wish that Palin had not invoked the phrase “blood-libel” in reference to the actions of journalists and pundits in placing blame for the shooting in Tucson on others. While the term “blood-libel” has become part of the English parlance to refer to someone being falsely accused, we wish that Palin had used another phrase, instead of one so fraught with pain in Jewish history.

Wapo

Couldn’t agree more.

188 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:24:35am

re: #177 sagehen

And I’m sure if someone were just as diligent in going back a decade, you’d find Jewish groups complaining about the inappropriate usage of “blood libel” to describe situations that are not within the historical definition of the term.

189 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:24:37am

Charles—

There was a rather curious edit to the Wiki page for “blood libel” yesterday:

en.wikipedia.org

Blood libel (also blood accusation) refers to a false accusation or claim that religious minorities, almost always Jews, murder children to use their blood in certain aspects of their religious rituals and holidays. Historically, these claims have–alongside those of well poisoning and host desecration–been a major theme in European persecution of Jews. Contemporary libertarian observers have begun to use the term to refer to attempts by the American Left to accuse American conservatives of contributory responsibility for various incidents of violence.

The citation for the bolded statement is this column by Ann Althouse:

althouse.blogspot.com

I’m guessing it’s mentioned somewhere in the comments, since all Althouse does is quote Limbaugh and link directly to him.

190 davesax  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:25:25am

Jeffrey Goldberg has a great post on this.

On the one hand, this is unfortunate…because it threatens to redefine the phrase, plus, what is happening to her is not precisely the byproduct of a blood libel.

On the other hand, Sarah Palin is such an important political and cultural figure that her use of the term “blood libel” should introduce this very important historical phenomenon to a wide audience, and the ensuing discussion — about how Fox News is not actually Mendel Beilis — will serve to enlighten and inform. It is a moral necessity, I think, for Christians to understand the blood libel (Muslims, too — see the Damascus Blood Libel of 1840), not only because it is part of their history, but because the blood libel still has modern ramifications

191 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:25:46am

re: #189 Lidane

Wow. I think maybe that should be a post.

192 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:26:41am

tweeted by digby56:

In 2007, conservative activist Mark DeMoss launched something called The Civility Project, seeking to get governors and members of Congress to sign on to a short pledge vowing to conduct themselves civilly:

* I will be civil in my public discourse and behavior.
* I will be respectful of others whether or not I agree with them.
* I will stand against incivility when I see it.

Four years and thousands of dollars later, DeMoss is shutting down the project after securing such pledges from only three members of Congress while enduring countless insults from his fellow conservatives.
rightwingwatch.org

193 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:26:57am

re: #189 Lidane

Conservapedia politics. That will be edited out soon, I imagine, as Wikipedia isn’t their personal platform to redefine all of history to suit their fevered imaginations.

194 mr.fusion  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:26:58am

re: #191 Charles

Wow. I think maybe that should be a post.

It’s certainly very interesting. The right definitely gets all their ducks in a row don’t they?

195 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:29:08am

Back, missed anything?

196 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:29:24am
197 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:29:27am

Republican leadership claims there’s a cover up to protect Obama…..
U.S. House Debates Resolution Honoring Giffords, Other Arizona Victims22

Representative Louie Gohmert, a Texas Republican, said an FBI official who spoke today at a closed-door security briefing for lawmakers “stonewalled” attempts to learn about the personality and political beliefs of shooting suspect Jared Loughner, saying that could jeopardize the investigation and prospective prosecution.

Gohmert suggested the evasiveness was designed to insulate President Barack Obama’s political base.

“It may be that if the things that we’re reading — that he’s a liberal, hates the flag, supports Marx, that type of thing, turn out to be true, then it may be embarrassing to some of the current administration’s constituents, and, heaven help us, we wouldn’t want to embarrass any of the president’s constituents,” Gohmert said.

198 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:29:45am

re: #191 Charles

Wow. I think maybe that should be a post.


hurry up before it rabbit holes.

199 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:29:59am

re: #180 Charles

I was wondering when she would start raging.

Took her a bit that’s for sure. Still haven’t seen a post about this over at the fever swamp yet.

200 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:31:01am

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Republican leadership claims there’s a cover up to protect Obama…
U.S. House Debates Resolution Honoring Giffords, Other Arizona Victims22

Really funny if it wasn’t so sad.

There’s some nice pretzel logic going on there.

201 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:31:02am

“If crimes “begin and end with the criminals who commit them,” I think Sarah Palin just endorsed a mosque near Ground Zero.”

Greg Knauss

202 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:31:05am

re: #196 MikeySDCA

But then what do you call the murder of a hundred, or a thousand?

Something else. I’m sure examples can be found.

203 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:31:19am

re: #184 makeitstop

What world alternate reality does this woman live in?

ftfy

204 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:31:25am

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Republican leadership claims there’s a cover up to protect Obama…
U.S. House Debates Resolution Honoring Giffords, Other Arizona Victims22

They never, ever stop.

205 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:31:33am

re: #193 Fozzie Bear

It’s already been edited. The current page takes all that garbage out.

206 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:31:49am

re: #189 Lidane

Charles—

There was a rather curious edit to the Wiki page for “blood libel” yesterday:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

The citation for the bolded statement is this column by Ann Althouse:

[Link: althouse.blogspot.com…]

I’m guessing it’s mentioned somewhere in the comments, since all Althouse does is quote Limbaugh and link directly to him.

I don’t see it in the comments, I don’t see it at Rush’s site. Do people make stuff up and attribute it randomly at Wikipedia?

207 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:32:31am

re: #186 jaunte

It’s like a wall made of gaudy bricks.

If you are talking about her web page, it also loads slowly because of poor scripts.

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:32:58am

re: #7 Lateralis

“while not backing down at all or taking any responsibility for the hate speech and violent rhetoric that’s Palin’s stock in trade.”

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

National Review’s Jay Nordlinger runs down some examples on the left:

Even before [George W.] Bush was elected president, the kill-Bush talk and imagery started. When Governor Bush was delivering his 2000 convention speech, Craig Kilborn, a CBS talk-show host, showed him on the screen with the words “SNIPERS WANTED.” Six years later, Bill Maher, the comedian-pundit, was having a conversation with John Kerry. He asked the senator what he had gotten his wife for her birthday. Kerry answered that he had taken her to Vermont. Maher said, “You could have went to New Hampshire and killed two birds with one stone.” (New Hampshire is an early primary state, of course.) Kerry said, “Or I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone.” (This is the same Kerry who joked in 1988, “Somebody told me the other day that the Secret Service has orders that if George Bush is shot, they’re to shoot Quayle.”) Also in 2006, the New York comptroller, Alan Hevesi, spoke to graduating students at Queens College. He said that his fellow Democrat, Sen. Charles Schumer, would “put a bullet between the president’s eyes if he could get away with it.”

I KNOW people are sick of hearing about the Magical Balance Fairy, but if you keep summoning her, what’s the poor girl to do?

209 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:33:45am

re: #206 wrenchwench

I don’t see it in the comments, I don’t see it at Rush’s site. Do people make stuff up and attribute it randomly at Wikipedia?

Dunno. I couldn’t see it in what Althouse herself wrote, since she just quotes Limbaugh verbatim, and I couldn’t stomach the comments because I felt my IQ dropping with each post.

Still, the current Wiki page for blood libel removes all that nonsense, so someone corrected the page recently.

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:33:47am

re: #9 elizajane

A new low in the ever-growing annals of Palin victimology.

But if you want a laugh, try out Arizona Rep. Trent Franks (R):

“If every person in the world was like Sarah Palin, there probably wouldn’t even be need for government because no one would be in danger of any kind,” Franks said in a phone conversation with POLITICO. “If every person were like Sarah Palin, this world would be a peaceful, beautiful world to live in.”

This man was Giffords’ colleague, for Christ’s sake.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

He’s also the same guy who described Barack Obama as an ‘enemy of humanity’.

211 otoc  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:33:56am

re: #206 wrenchwench

I don’t see it in the comments, I don’t see it at Rush’s site. Do people make stuff up and attribute it randomly at Wikipedia?

No, it was there and was taken out. The footnotes still reflect #7

Here is the older version:
en.wikipedia.org

212 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:34:15am

re: #206 wrenchwench

It is mentioned in the comments there, twice. That’s the citation for a Wikipedia edit?

This really stinks. Could be a coincidence, of course. But wow, the timing.

213 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:34:23am

re: #196 MikeySDCA

But then what do you call the murder of a hundred, or a thousand?

You think there should be some minimum number before a public murder of multiple persons can be described as a “massacre”?

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:34:53am

re: #12 MarkAM

This strikes me as very similar to Clarence Thomas claim that he was subjected to a “high tech lynching.” The right’s very skilled at playing the victimhood card and that self-proclaimed victimhood inoculates her from criticism, at least in the minds of her supporters.

You know, at least Clarence Thomas had cultural rights to the phrase, even it was horribly misused.

Palin, not so much.

That may seem a weird distinction. I don’t know.

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:35:44am

re: #18 Jimmah

So it’s all about Sarah Palin and her hurt feelings. Who saw that one coming? Disgusting.

Meanwhile, the dead are still dead.

216 harlequinade  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:36:08am

re: #212 Charles

The discussion page says it all happened today because of what she said.

217 mr.fusion  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:36:24am

It is good that we’re having this discussion now, I just wish we would have had it sooner. I also hope we remember that, while this may be the most high profile incident, it’s far from the only one we’ve seen in the recent past.

Link

What he said to me today was, ‘Eddie, I’m going to die today. Tell your family I love them and I love you.’ And I heard gunshots and he hung up the phone,” Perkovic said. “This was a complete surprise to me and my family and everyone’s families that were friends with him. Nobody ever expected something like this from him.”

Perkovic said Poplawski feared “the Obama gun ban that’s on the way” and “didn’t like our rights being infringed upon.”

“He wasn’t involved in any gangs, any militias. He believed in his right to bear arms. He believed that hard economic times were going to put forward gun bans,” Perkovic said.

218 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:36:24am

Is there a chance of reorganizing the House and Senate into the “Sane Caucus” and “Other Caucus”?

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:36:25am

re: #24 jamesfirecat

That sir would be an insult to Michale Palin, the second funniest Palin alive today…

I loved the show where Palin (Michael) was travelling through Asia.

220 otoc  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:36:59am

re: #211 otoc

whoops. I misunderstood.
The wiki article has been purged of the reference in text form with the footnote still remaining.

The footnote links to the blog which links here
rushlimbaugh.com

221 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:37:20am

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

I KNOW people are sick of hearing about the Magical Balance Fairy, but if you keep summoning her, what’s the poor girl to do?


Hey…..how do you know the Magic Balance Fairy is female? I demand we treat the Balance Fairy as gender neutral!

222 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:37:29am

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

He’s also the same guy who described Barack Obama as an ‘enemy of humanity’.

I’ve put his quote: “If every person in the world was like Sarah Palin, there probably wouldn’t even be need for government because no one would be in danger of any kind”, on my best list of the dumbest and most inane quotes I’ve ever heard from an elected official. The subtext to this list is “Seriously these are the people that run things?”

223 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:37:58am

re: #33 mr.fusion

So on the one hand, hateful rhetoric has nothing to do with what happened Saturday morning in AZ…on the other:

Nothing I say could incite hatred or violence.
Anything you say, on the other had, might.

224 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:38:25am

re: #196 MikeySDCA

But then what do you call the murder of a hundred, or a thousand?

A statistic according to Stalin.

225 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:38:26am

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

He’s also the same guy who described Barack Obama as an ‘enemy of humanity’.

And his campaign was directly financially sponsored by SarahPAC. She also sponsored Allen “make them scared to come out of the house” West.

The charges of dangerous words and deeds leveled at Sarah Palin isn’t just about symbols on a map. She is supporting hate speech, directly.

226 recusancy  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:38:26am

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Republican leadership claims there’s a cover up to protect Obama…
U.S. House Debates Resolution Honoring Giffords, Other Arizona Victims22

I get a kick out of how it’s the left that is seen as hating the flag when half the flags I see on the right are confederate, and 3 percenter flags.

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:38:59am

re: #34 SpaceJesus

I know plenty of idiots who think libertarians are on the left. Also, this guy is 22 and way out of high school.

This might also be beyond the Palin.

I assume everyone who went to high school with him is sifting through all their memories, trying to pinpoint anything that might connect to this.

Four years is a long time to get weirder when you’re that young.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:40:02am

re: #37 lawhawk

The ADL has issued a statement.

‘Blood libel’ has not, in fact, become part of English parlance to describe someone being falsely accused, but other than that, reasonably well worded.

I wish they didn’t kiss Palin’s ass so much in that statement, but fine.

229 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:40:27am

re: #216 harlequinade

The discussion page says it all happened today because of what she said.

I was just reading that. But I don’t understand why the edit shows as January 11, though.

230 Slap  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:40:41am

Somebody correct me if I’m wrong —

But what’s the standard for actual libel?

Seems to me that virtually everything I’ve seen that refers to the Alaska Asshat in this sordid episode deals with words she does not deny having used, and a map whose existence is beyond dispute.

If a person says. “hey, that hat is green”, and I then say “you have bad hat taste”, have I committed libel?

Yep.

More abuse of language.

More abuse of the intelligence of anyone with an IQ over 25.

My disgust knows no bounds. Yet, I am unsurprised. From the day she and her handlers deliberately misinterpreted the “lipstick on a pig” (HEY NOW — that’s LIBEL, dammit!) comment, I have had nothing but steaming contempt for the persona.

Alaskan Asshat.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:42:21am

re: #52 jaunte

Her constituency might object to that.

I doubt it, really. She’s developing a sort of semi-divine status among those who are still in love with her.

Most others seem to be losing interest.

232 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:42:31am

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

‘Blood libel’ has not, in fact, become part of English parlance …snip


Check back on that next week.

233 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:42:42am

“Alaskan Asshat”.

Like it.

Though not as much as “The Wasilla Wannabe”.

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:42:54am

re: #56 Talking Point Detective

Re-posting:

I love this quote, actually:

I imagine that there are a few people here that aren’t big fans of J Street (I am), but I think this is a very nice way to create a tactical advantage when you have a whiner like Palin.

I’m not a fan of J Street, but that’s nicely done.

235 recusancy  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:43:55am

re: #229 Charles

I was just reading that. But I don’t understand why the edit shows as January 11, though.

Where does it say the 11th? Are you misreading 2011 as the 11th?

236 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:44:57am

re: #71 Lateralis

However, Charles you are always so fanatic about science but when it comes to this situation, is it ok to make a causal link when there is none?

I think Charles understands the difference between correlation and causation. You on the other hand…

237 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:45:11am

re: #235 recusancy

Where does it say the 11th? Are you misreading 2011 as the 11th?

Or perhaps the date is “wrong” because the editor lives somewhere outside the US. For instance, it is now 19.44 over here in England. So the date could be different because of the time difference.

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:45:31am

re: #72 Ming

This week has been very revealing about Palin’s psychology. Ever since Katie Couric, Palin has kept herself remarkably sheltered from journalists. After this week, it seems clear that if Palin does become Vice President or President in January 2013, an unbelievable, extraordinary, incredible amount of her psychology will be revealed to the entire world, for as long as she holds either office. This will be a freak show that goes completely beyond anything we’ve seen thus far, including the OJ Simpson trial in the mid-90’s, or Monica Lewinsky in 1998.

She can’t get the nomination. If she gets the nomination, she will not be able to hold it together for the duration of the campaign. I’m not worried.

Also, I hear there’s some great housing prices still going in Ramat Gan.

239 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:45:40am

re: #233 HAL2010

“Alaskan Asshat”.

Like it.

Though not as much as “The Wasilla Wannabe”.

She’ll always be Caribou Barbie to me:

collegeotr.com

Heh.

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:46:26am

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Westboro Baptist Church agrees to not protest slain child’s funeral

Oh screw them. A little girl is dead, and they’re holding the community hostage?

242 recusancy  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:46:34am

re: #237 HAL2010

Or perhaps the date is “wrong” because the editor lives somewhere outside the US. For instance, it is now 19.44 over here in England. So the date could be different because of the time difference.

It’s all in UTC time.

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:46:56am

re: #80 tnguitarist

From an article on HuffPo in response to criticisms of her “second amendment remedies”.

In the statement she issued on Wednesday, Angle said, “I have consistently called for reasonable political dialogue on policy issues to encourage civil political education and debate.”

And when was this?

It was supposed to happen after the Second Amendment remedies. Or taking out Harry Reid. One or the other.

244 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:47:18am

re: #239 Lidane

She’ll always be Caribou Barbie to me:

[Link: www.collegeotr.com…]

Heh.

Comes with everything you see here:

- Dead Caribou
- M-16
- Snowmobile
- Sexy Librarian Glasses

She even talks with such fun phrases like:

- “I’m a pitbull with lipstick!”

- “My family is off-limits!”

- “What is it the Vice President actually does?”

Coming soon: Bristol Palin with inflatable baby bump and John McCain with portable green screen background!
-

Epic lulz all round.

245 webevintage  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:47:35am

It just NEVER ENDS with this woman.
me me me me me me me
What a professional victim.

246 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:47:35am

This proves to me at least one thing. Sarah Palin is now essentially a cult leader. Her followers have been completely isolated from the rest of the culture, and they believe all sorts of contradictory and absurd things that are easily confirmed not to be true.

The Tea Party has basically become like a religious movement. Sarah is almost fully deified, and her enemies almost fully demonized. If anything were to ever happen to her, we are all fucked, because that’s the last step to creating a true religious leader. A martyr.

247 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:48:33am

re: #246 Fozzie Bear

She must live long and become decrepit.

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:48:41am

re: #103 Big Steve

ahhh someone used the BL word. Didn’t even know what it was until yesterday and now it is on the “words that shall not be mentioned list.”

I knew what it was when I was in elementary school.

249 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:48:46am

re: #230 Slap

Somebody correct me if I’m wrong —

But what’s the standard for actual libel?

Seems to me that virtually everything I’ve seen that refers to the Alaska Asshat in this sordid episode deals with words she does not deny having used, and a map whose existence is beyond dispute.

If a person says. “hey, that hat is green”, and I then say “you have bad hat taste”, have I committed libel?

Yep.

More abuse of language.

More abuse of the intelligence of anyone with an IQ over 25.

My disgust knows no bounds. Yet, I am unsurprised. From the day she and her handlers deliberately misinterpreted the “lipstick on a pig” (HEY NOW — that’s LIBEL, dammit!) comment, I have had nothing but steaming contempt for the persona.

Alaskan Asshat.

Well another part of the standard of proving legal libel is that is has to have an effect harm on ones reputation that leads to the consequences besides just ‘feeling bad.” That’s actually quite hard to prove in a court setting and these case are tricky. Someone I knew was actually sued for libel and the case was dropped because he showed enough evidence that the persons rep was already crap, was considered crap in the community the the words were spoken and weren’t likely to do any more damage to a rep that already stunk to high heaven. (of course they used more legal words to explain it then I just did.)

250 Cog  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:48:50am

re:156

I don’t know how many times liberals have to say this, but just in case you guys don’t get it…

NO ONE IS BLAMING PALIN FOR THE SHOOTING OF GIFFORDS.

Paul Krugman, New York Times, MSNBC, Keith Olberman, Kos (who incredulously was quoted on this blog days ago), etc…

And just an FYI, what makes you think I am not a liberal? Wrong is wrong, and any attempt at tea party or Palin connection to this shooting is simply abhorrent. Granted Palin’s response only fuels the invective, but spend any amount of time volunteering with the mentally ill and you will kick yourself in your own ass for making that connection afterwards.

Charles’ reaction to her speech is ridiculous. Overboard, yes. “using a mass murder to advance her political ambitions,” What? How would you react if the entire national discourse centered around your blame for a mass murder you had nothing to do with?

Get over the irrational Palin hate and treat her for what she is, a marginal political figure. Ignore her and she goes away.

251 calochortus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:49:14am

re: #25 LRonHoover

Also from the real world

Loughner’s friend says
He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right.

I’m sorry if this is redundant, but I just don’t have time to read all the comments right now.
Can someone tell me why this comment was so heavily down dinged? It may be true, it may be false, it’s just the report of one person who knew Loughner. But it does seem possible, and if true, it doesn’t mean that its OK to recommend “2nd amendment remedies”.

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:49:22am

re: #106 JasonA

On another note, I find it interesting that someone who considers themselves such a friend to Jews and Israel rarely seems to know anything about them.

She likes the IDEA of Jews and Israel. Actual Jews and Israelis tend to live in cities, not hunt, and be less impressed with her than she’d like.

253 mr.fusion  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:50:14am

re: #250 Cog

re:156

Paul Krugman, New York Times, MSNBC, Keith Olberman, Kos (who incredulously was quoted on this blog days ago), etc…

I want quotes. Exact quotes placing the blame for what happened in AZ on Sarah Palin.

254 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:50:31am

re: #250 Cog

How would you react if the entire national discourse centered around your blame for a mass murder you had nothing to do with?

It didn’t.

255 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:50:55am
Sorry
The creator of this video has not given you permission to embed it on this domain.

Heh.
I can just imagine her thought process:
“oh no, they might view my video and think critically about it”.

256 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:51:07am

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

I knew what it was when I was in elementary school.

It sucks that a child has to be aware of that.

257 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:51:21am

re: #233 HAL2010

“Alaskan Asshat”.

Like it.

Though not as much as “The Wasilla Wannabe”.

I’m particularly fond of ‘The Hellcat from Grifterville,’ myself. I think someone over at Balloon Juice coined that.

258 webevintage  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:51:34am

re: #250 Cog


sigh.
You know who might have “blamed” Palin?
The victim herself.

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:51:50am

re: #131 Jadespring

Here’s a link to one station show, In Toronto.

[Link: www.edge.ca…]

It looks like it was not about giving an interview but basically the show host being pissed at them for doing it and making them promise.

There’s no way this particular show or station is sympathetic to them.

Yeah, I imagine both stations simply offered the time as a way to call them off the funeral.

260 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:52:03am

re: #250 Cog

re:156

Paul Krugman, New York Times, MSNBC, Keith Olberman, Kos (who incredulously was quoted on this blog days ago), etc…

Got quotes?

261 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:52:03am

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

I knew what it was when I was in elementary school.

No doubt a lack of good education on my part. Honestly I had not heard the term until yesterday and I am 53. However having been raised atheist there is a lot of religion derived terminology that by-passes me.

262 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:53:14am

re: #255 prononymous

Which indicates to me you are pushing the right buttons. Keep up the good work Charles!

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:54:24am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Sharron Angle jumps on the victim bandwagon…
Sharron Angle Defends Inflammatory Rhetoric In Face Of Criticism

Second Amendment remedies for me but not for thee…

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:55:02am

re: #149 Alouette

She couldn’t appear “more presidential” if she was running against Daisy Duck.

I would vote for Paris Hilton over Sarah Palin.

266 webevintage  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:55:07am

bloodlibel has become a hash tag on Twitter….

and FOX has pulled her video…snort….

267 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:55:19am

re: #250 Cog

You must be very well rested after such a long sleep.

268 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:56:12am

Leonard Pitts Jr column is a knock out. Somebody already posted it but it’s worth ensuring that all read it.

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:57:02am

re: #156 marjoriemoon


What is that, some kind of diversion for the guilty conscious of the Right?

Yes.

The Radical Right knows they’re playing with matches.
They know that if they go on doing it, the house will catch fire.
They don’t want to stop playing with matches.
So they’re practicing real good excuses for why it wasn’t their fault.

270 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:57:03am

Break time. BBL

271 webevintage  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:57:27am

re: #266 webevintage

bloodlibel has become a hash tag on Twitter…

and FOX has pulled her video…snort…

I wonder if editing is happening at this moment.
Sarah seems to think that once she says something does not exist then it just goes poof…she forgets the intertubes is forever.

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:58:24am

re: #159 Fozzie Bear

Because as we all know, criticism equates to suppression of first amendment rights. These people seriously don’t have any idea how to stop playing the victim card.

I see it all the time with RRWingers here. If you argue, debate, disbelieve, you’re just being really, really unfair.

273 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:59:10am

re: #165 Decatur Deb

Does the simpleton realize that the dead were at a gathering for the “redress of grievances”?

Yes, but they’d picked the wrong side, and therefore didn’t have that Constitutiony glow.

274 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:00:17pm

re: #271 webevintage

I wonder if editing is happening at this moment.
Sarah seems to think that once she says something does not exist then it just goes poof…she forgets the intertubes is forever.

Of course it’s being edited now. Sarah Palin got caught on tape saying something that is so patently offensive and stupid it will hurt her politically except among her dimwitted followers.

It just never dawns on these morons that someone got captures of that video and that it’s going to follow her no matter what they do. It’s a remarkable type of technological blindness.

275 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:03:01pm

If the right wing continues with the ‘left does it too’ meme then it’s a tacit and glaring admittance that they do it in the first place. It’s childish antagonism.

Fine, the left does it too, whatever, true or not. NOW FUCKING STOP IT.

276 sagehen  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:03:48pm

re: #233 HAL2010

“Alaskan Asshat”.

Like it.

Though not as much as “The Wasilla Wannabe”.

I’m sticking with the classic, Bible Spice.

277 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:04:52pm

re: #235 recusancy

Where does it say the 11th? Are you misreading 2011 as the 11th?

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by RedSunBlueSkies (talk | contribs) at 13:58, 11 January 2011. It may differ significantly from the current revision.

1:58 in the afternoon on January 11th.

278 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:05:01pm

re: #275 BigPapa

If the right wing continues with the ‘left does it too’ meme then it’s a tacit and glaring admittance that they do it in the first place.

Stop bringing logic into the discussion. People are trying to demagogue hard enough that the Magical Balance Fairy will grant their wish.

///

279 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:05:31pm

SHE REMOVED THE VIDEO

280 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:06:00pm

BreakingNews Sarah Palin removes ‘blood libel’ video - BusinessInsider read.bi
2 minutes ago via breakingnews.com
Reply Retweet

281 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:06:36pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

And she doesn’t realize that it doesn’t matter. Someone has a capture of the video of her saying it.

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:07:09pm

re: #281 Lidane

And she doesn’t realize that it doesn’t matter. Someone has a capture of the video of her saying it.

The Internetz is forever.

284 calochortus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:07:45pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

SHE REMOVED THE VIDEO

If only she would edit before either opening her mouth, or putting up the videos for all to see…

285 sagehen  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:07:47pm

re: #251 calochortus

I’m sorry if this is redundant, but I just don’t have time to read all the comments right now.
Can someone tell me why this comment was so heavily down dinged? It may be true, it may be false, it’s just the report of one person who knew Loughner. But it does seem possible, and if true, it doesn’t mean that its OK to recommend “2nd amendment remedies”.

Because the “friend” in question hasn’t seen him or spoken to him in more than two years. His comments on Loughner’s character and/or habits are meaningless.

286 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:07:50pm

re: #282 wrenchwench

Typical. I was halfway through watching it and it quit.

/

287 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:08:25pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

SHE REMOVED THE VIDEO

They haven’t scrubbed the transcript FB page yet though. At least I don’t think so as it still references BL.

288 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:09:04pm

re: #281 Lidane

And she doesn’t realize that it doesn’t matter. Someone has a capture of the video of her saying it.

Capture….like terrorists capture hostages.

Lefties are just like terrorists!!11!

289 calochortus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:10:35pm

re: #285 sagehen

OK, to me it just seemed a little over the top as a response. No one knows what he was motivated by. We’re all just trying to make sense of the whole thing and undoubtedly grasping at straws.

290 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:10:41pm

re: #281 Lidane

And she doesn’t realize that it doesn’t matter. Someone has a capture of the video of her saying it.

Yeah, and a bunch of Jewish organization shave already responded to her use of BL. What an idiot.

291 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:10:48pm

It will be back up, somewhere else, within the hour, in a place she can’t delete it from.

What a fantastic end to a political career. I can see it from my house.

292 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:10:50pm

re: #288 Reginald Perrin

Capture…like terrorists capture hostages.

Lefties are just like terrorists!!11!

What’s worse is that I said that here, and we all know that this place is run by an annoying liberal. More leftist propaganda! ZOMG!

/wingnut

293 Alexzander  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:10:54pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

SHE REMOVED THE VIDEO


Too funny….

294 otoc  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:11:01pm

Vimeo

still up

295 Kilroy01  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:12:09pm
296 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:12:10pm

re: #291 Fozzie Bear

What a fantastic end to a political career. I can see it from my house.

Heh.

297 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:12:39pm
Palin ‘libel’ show now seems to be back online. presumably someone just accidentally changed a setting.
298 Kilroy01  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:13:21pm
299 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:13:49pm

The video appears to be still up? I’m confused, because it wasn’t just timing out before, it clearly had been password protected. WTF is going on?

300 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:14:47pm

re: #299 Fozzie Bear

The video appears to be still up? I’m confused, because it wasn’t just timing out before, it clearly had been password protected. WTF is going on?

Panic.

301 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:14:48pm

I think people are just straight up panicking at Palin HQ now. Locking then unlocking the video in a 10 minute timeframe reveals confusion, disarray, and panic.

302 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:15:26pm

re: #300 CuriousLurker

Panic.

Yep, that’s what I think too. Imagine the phone calls going on among the Palin camp right now.

303 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:15:31pm

re: #301 Fozzie Bear

I think people are just straight up panicking at Palin HQ now. Locking then unlocking the video in a 10 minute timeframe reveals confusion, disarray, and panic.

Heh. GMTA

304 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:15:40pm

It’s like she locked it, then somebody told her that will only make it worse, and then she unlocked it.

305 Stanley Sea  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:17:16pm

re: #304 Fozzie Bear

It’s like she locked it, then somebody told her that will only make it worse, and then she unlocked it.

hahaha, seriously, I bet it’s this simple.

306 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:17:34pm

re: #304 Fozzie Bear

It’s like she locked it, then somebody told her that will only make it worse, and then she unlocked it.

I seriously doubt that she herself is doing any of this. The underlings deal with stuff like Vimeo.

307 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:17:38pm

re: #291 Fozzie Bear

It will be back up, somewhere else, within the hour, in a place she can’t delete it from.

What a fantastic end to a political career. I can see it from my house.

But I bet you can’t see Putin.

308 otoc  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:18:06pm

re: #302 Charles

I suspect it possibly might have something to do with linking. Your link still shows as not permitted. Mine works fine. A setting issue most likely.

309 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:18:54pm

re: #307 Reginald Perrin

But I bet you can’t see Putin.

Putin is only seen when Putin wants to be seen.

310 brownbagj  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:19:19pm

re: #309 Fozzie Bear

And Putin ALWAYS sees you first.

311 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:19:24pm

re: #308 otoc

It works now, if you reload the page.

312 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:20:19pm

re: #308 otoc

I suspect it possibly might have something to do with linking. Your link still shows as not permitted. Mine works fine. A setting issue most likely.

I had the video opened in another window, it played. Then later, I refreshed it, and it was clearly locked. Then a few minutes later, it worked again. All at the exact same URL.

This wasn’t a server error, Vimeo as a whole was working fine. This was done by the person with the password to the Vimeo account. I.e., Palin’s camp.

313 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:21:36pm

Okay, I’d like to dedicate this Sufi poem to the Sarah & the GOP:

Who makes these changes?
I shoot an arrow right.
It lands left.
I ride after a deer and find myself
chased by a hog.
I plot to get what I want
and end up in prison.

I dig pits to trap others
and fall in.

I should be suspicious
of what I want.

—Jalaluddin Rumi

Where’s researchok? I need him to dance around in his new Whirling Dervish outfit in accompaniment. //

314 otoc  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:21:58pm

re: #311 Charles

It works now, if you reload the page.

Interesting now. I’ve an IT background and forced refreshed several times before I made that last post to be sure.

315 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:22:02pm

re: #292 Lidane

What’s worse is that I said that here, and we all know that this place is run by an annoying liberal.

Are you accusing George Soros of being annoying?

316 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:23:44pm

re: #315 Reginald Perrin

Nah. Soros is just the omnipresent bogeyman of the modern GOP and the teabaggers. Sort of like scary brown people, gays, and Muslims.

317 brownbagj  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:23:47pm

re: #312 Fozzie Bear

I had the video opened in another window, it played. Then later, I refreshed it, and it was clearly locked. Then a few minutes later, it worked again. All at the exact same URL.

This wasn’t a server error, Vimeo as a whole was working fine. This was done by the person with the password to the Vimeo account. I.e., Palin’s camp.

My guess right now in the team meeting it is like this:

Palin: Release the video - the blood libel line will ROCK
Palin: What does blood libel mean?
Team: Um, it seems we have used a very “provocative” phrase
Palin: What does provocative mean?
Team: In this instance - not good. Over the line dreadfully.
Palin: Take it down.
Team: Down.
Team: Oh shit - now it looks like we are hiding something.
Palin: Put it up.
Team: Done.
Team: Oh shit - we look like we were hiding something.
Palin: First amendment!!11!

318 otoc  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:24:31pm

re: #312 Fozzie Bear

I had the video opened in another window, it played. Then later, I refreshed it, and it was clearly locked. Then a few minutes later, it worked again. All at the exact same URL.

This wasn’t a server error, Vimeo as a whole was working fine. This was done by the person with the password to the Vimeo account. I.e., Palin’s camp.

Server end technology allows for blocking on an IP based block list. Not to feed a conspiracy, but perhaps Charles and his readers were just not worthy. And then second thoughts prevailed. Who knows.

319 Surabaya Stew  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:25:33pm

re: #313 CuriousLurker

Okay, I’d like to dedicate this Sufi poem to the Sarah & the GOP:

Who makes these changes?
I shoot an arrow right.
It lands left.
I ride after a deer and find myself
chased by a hog.
I plot to get what I want
and end up in prison.

I dig pits to trap others
and fall in.

I should be suspicious
of what I want.

—Jalaluddin Rumi

Where’s researchok? I need him to dance around in his new Whirling Dervish outfit in accompaniment. //

Very classy, CL. Its almost too good for the bums, really

320 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:26:42pm

re: #318 otoc

Server end technology allows for blocking on an IP based block list. Not to feed a conspiracy, but perhaps Charles and his readers were just not worthy. And then second thoughts prevailed. Who knows.

The thing is, I didn’t load the page from here. I loaded it directly from Palin’s FB page.

321 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:27:52pm

re: #318 otoc

Server end technology allows for blocking on an IP based block list. Not to feed a conspiracy, but perhaps Charles and his readers were just not worthy. And then second thoughts prevailed. Who knows.

No, it was down for everyone. There were plenty of comments on Twitter about it.

322 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:28:47pm

The Palin camp definitely took the video offline for a short time. Possibly a mistake, caused by panic or confused signals.

323 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:29:14pm

re: #178 Bubblehead II

The Harpy has joined the fray. (Google Cache)

a-conspiracy-against-the-mind-against-life-against -man-and-the-virtue-of-sarah

“Today Sarah Palin responded to the vicious blood libel leveled against her by the army of destroyers. The ferocious, relentless attacks on Sarah Palin is a testament to her greatness, proof of how deathly afraid of her they are, like Dracula to the silver cross.”

GAG!


They way they talk about Palin reminds me of this in no small amount:

Youtube Video

324 otoc  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:29:31pm

re: #320 Fozzie Bear

The thing is, I didn’t load the page from here. I loaded it directly from Palin’s FB page.

Again, not to feed a conspiracy, but dicking around with settings can have greater results than intended. That’s why we use hidden test sites when even the simplest code change is made. Could be anything.

325 Cog  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:29:48pm

Still trying to reconcile what Charles said:

Meanwhile, as right wing blogs work themselves up into a perfect frenzy of denial, spewing crazed accusations that Loughner was a “leftist,” here’s what we know about his “ideology,” such as it was: he was anti-immigrant, anti-government, and obsessed with currency and the gold standard, a pretty clear indication that he was aligned with the extreme Ron Paul libertarian right wing, far more than with any leftist cause.

With the actual shooter’s thoughts in this article:

Postings of a Troubled Mind, Accused Shooter Wrote on Gaming Site of His Job Woes, Rejection by Women

online.wsj.com

It doesn’t add up.

326 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:30:48pm

re: #325 Cog

It doesn’t add up.

Try a calculator.

327 tnguitarist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:31:56pm

re: #325 Cog

It doesn’t add up.


Especially when you can’t add.

328 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:33:12pm

re: #325 Cog

Still trying to reconcile what Charles said:

With the actual shooter’s thoughts in this article:

Postings of a Troubled Mind, Accused Shooter Wrote on Gaming Site of His Job Woes, Rejection by Women

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

It doesn’t add up.

And of course you’ll go with the WSJ and the article about pseudonymous postings shared by an anonymous reader.

329 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:34:29pm

re: #325 Cog

Can you explain where his obsession with currency and the fifth amendment came from?

I can’t. However, those obsessions are both highly present in the extremist libertarian camp.

Until someone can plausibly show how he arrived at insane conspiracy theories that exist in the province of the libertarian right without contact with the libertarian right, I’m going to go to the strange leap that he got them from some sort of contact with the libertarian right.

Please note: This does not mean I’m ‘blaming’ the libertarian right for his killings.

330 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:34:38pm

re: #322 Charles

The Palin camp definitely took the video offline for a short time. Possibly a mistake, caused by panic or confused signals.

Yeah, if I had to guess I’d say someone (stupidly) thought it would be a good idea, then someone brighter told them to put it the eff back NOW or it would only make matters worse. Heh, now I know the true meaning of schadenfreude because I’m enjoying the hell out of watching all this scrambling.

331 otoc  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:35:40pm

re: #322 Charles

The Palin camp definitely took the video offline for a short time. Possibly a mistake, caused by panic or confused signals.

I know, I saw that. ABC was up because they had a stored version. But your site did lag in coming back. That’s why I reposted and assumed your comment system had a unique IP. Of course there are many reasons, including attempts from outside Palin’s camp. We know how easy it was to get into her personal email. ;)

332 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:38:05pm

re: #324 otoc

Again, not to feed a conspiracy, but dicking around with settings can have greater results than intended. That’s why we use hidden test sites when even the simplest code change is made. Could be anything.

I seriously doubt they have a staging server. Careful planning doesn’t seem to be her team’s forte.

333 otoc  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:39:55pm

re: #332 CuriousLurker

I seriously doubt they have a staging server. Careful planning doesn’t seem to be her team’s forte.

Vimeo has that capability I’d bet. They are hosting.

Regardless, something did happen. I’ll have to wait for Palin’s email to Beck to better understand.

334 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:40:09pm

re: #316 Lidane

Nah. Soros is just the omnipresent bogeyman of the modern GOP and the teabaggers. Sort of like scary brown people, gays, and Muslims.

He overthrows governments, you know.

Actually, he mostly overthrows Communist governments, which you would think the teabaggers would appreciate, but somehow it’s just not OK when he does it.

335 Cog  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:40:45pm
And of course you’ll go with the WSJ and the article about pseudonymous postings shared by an anonymous reader.

You could look at his youtube postings, look at the comments made by his community college classmates, or look at this quote from one of his friends, “”He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right.”

Everyone is bashing me for saying there is absolutely no way I could conceivably connect others with blaming Palin or the tea party. Unlike the quote, I think it is pretty clear he was aligned with no one but his own troubled mind.

Those that tried to push the idea that he was aligned with the left or the right should be ashamed of themselves, Charles included.

336 tnguitarist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:43:24pm

re: #335 Cog

They say he didn’t watch tv? They haven’t talked to him in years! You keep glossing over that important fact.

337 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:44:33pm

re: #335 Cog

Sure, if people read your selective and distorted version, they might be fooled into not noticing the far right elements of Loughner’s delusional “ideology.”

You should be ashamed of yourself for promoting bullshit to excuse the right, but I know you aren’t.

338 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:45:49pm

re: #335 Cog

It is you who should be ashamed of themselves. You’re furiously deflecting away from the violent rhetoric that the GOP has been employing the past two years.
What happened on Saturday is what a “second amendment remedy” looks like. No weaseling out of this simple fact.

339 otoc  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:46:01pm

re: #335 Cog

Watch the actual video. That quote is from his last friend from high school who hadn’t seen him in two years. You can’t make anything of it.

Regardless, there are studies and examples that show that a verbal environment will influence people. No one is saying Palin is responsible for the act. What is being discussed is the environment of rhetoric where people are influenced (look at how a person from the left and right can’t even discuss differences without going off topic with anger), and how it takes one loony to make a difference.

340 Yashmak  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:52:16pm
It’s utterly beyond the pale for Palin to employ this term to excuse her own rhetoric. But I’m not surprised. And you can now expect the entire right wing attack machine to start vigorously parroting the phrase.

You’ve got it precisely backwards. It’s Palin herself, who is simply parroting the use of this phrase by several conservative commentators yesterday. I’ve noticed she does this alot…instead of coming out with a clear position of her own early on, she waits until the talking points are on the table and picks a bandwagon to jump on.

341 Cog  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:03:11pm
You should be ashamed of yourself for promoting bullshit to excuse the right, but I know you aren’t.

Actually, quite the opposite. I am not trying to be an ahole, not trying to distort or be selective. Your comments, Kos’ comments, Olberman’s comments, Krugman’s comments, made liberals look bad. Just as some of the invective and violent rhethoric on the right makes conservatives look bad. If you are honest with yourself, both are wrong.

None of us can be certain, but there is the real possibility this tragedy had nothing to do with this at all. otoc or tnguitarist asking me for specifics about his beliefs is futile. As more comes out, it is looking more like he had a serious and worsening mental health condition. The debate should be about health care and mental health policies more than Palin and the tea party.

Why isn’t it? Oh that is right, a bunch of aholes blamed explicitly or implicitly Palin and the tea party for contributing to the shootings.

342 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:04:35pm

re: #341 Cog

Why isn’t it? Oh that is right, a bunch of aholes blamed explicitly or implicitly Palin and the tea party for contributing to the shootings.

Palin and the Tea Party have been blamed for contributing to an atmosphere where violence against the government is sanctioned.

This is a correct apportion of blame.

343 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:11:40pm

Well, they got an “exclusive” statement from Alan Dershowitz over at Breitbart’s smear site biggovernment.com to defend Palin’s “blood libel” use:

The term “blood libel” has taken on a broad metaphorical meaning in public discourse. Although its historical origins were in theologically based false accusations against the Jews and the Jewish People,its current usage is far broader. I myself have used it to describe false accusations against the State of Israel by the Goldstone Report. There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim. The fact that two of the victims are Jewish is utterly irrelevant to the propriety of using this widely used term.

344 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:16:33pm

Glenn Reynolds’ updated response over the “blood libel” issue @PajamasMedia: pajamasmedia.com

345 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:18:34pm

Holy fudge, even Jonah “Liberal Fascism” Goldberg agrees that “blood libel” was poor choice of words: nationalreview.com

More great reading material gathered by Xeni Jardin at BoingBoing: boingboing.net

346 claire  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:21:49pm

re: #62 allegro

I never heard anyone blame Sarah et al for the shooting. Not once and I’m getting sick of hearing it. past.

I’m hearing it everywhere over the last few days. Try the phrase something like “sarah blood on your hands” on google.

347 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:26:10pm

re: #345 000G

Holy fudge, even Jonah “Liberal Fascism” Goldberg agrees that “blood libel” was poor choice of words: [Link: www.nationalreview.com…

Of course he does. The Doughy Pantload is convinced that Hitler was a liberal, so clearly, anything anti-Semitic or wrong in the world comes from the left. That makes Caribou Barbie’s use of “blood libel” totally correct, since she’s using it against her liberal critics.

348 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:26:34pm

re: #346 claire

I’m hearing it everywhere over the last few days. Try the phrase something like “sarah blood on your hands” on google.

I’ve definitely seen it, and some of it is quite over the top, although most of it is coming from excitable no-names.

349 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:26:40pm

re: #347 Lidane

Ugh. PIMF. Never mind. I read that totally wrong. My mistake.

350 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:35:09pm

Sarah Palin Facebook scrubbing in realtime:

Youtube Video

351 2by2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:35:45pm

re: #213 Alouette

i think it’s an appropriate use of the term massacre, since the word refers to indiscriminate killing:
massacre |ˈmasikər|
noun
an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of people : the attack was described as a cold-blooded massacre | she says he is an accomplice to massacre.
• informal a heavy defeat of a sports team or contestant.
verb [ trans. ]
deliberately and violently kill (a large number of people). See note at kill .
• informal inflict a heavy defeat on (a sports team or contestant).
ORIGIN late 16th cent.: from French, of unknown origin.

352 otoc  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:49:57pm

re: #341 Cog

Actually, quite the opposite. I am not trying to be an ahole, not trying to distort or be selective. Your comments, Kos’ comments, Olberman’s comments, Krugman’s comments, made liberals look bad. Just as some of the invective and violent rhethoric on the right makes conservatives look bad. If you are honest with yourself, both are wrong.

None of us can be certain, but there is the real possibility this tragedy had nothing to do with this at all. otoc or tnguitarist asking me for specifics about his beliefs is futile. As more comes out, it is looking more like he had a serious and worsening mental health condition. The debate should be about health care and mental health policies more than Palin and the tea party.

Why isn’t it? Oh that is right, a bunch of aholes blamed explicitly or implicitly Palin and the tea party for contributing to the shootings.


Sorry if there was a misunderstanding. I wasn’t asking for anything from you. I was suggesting you watch the entire interview where Loughner’s last remaining friend from high school stated he hadn’t seen him in two years after you pulled several quotes.

I disagree that the conversation can only be about one thing or another. Just looking at the comments here give proof of numerous topics.

On the topic of what may influence…
The difference between influence and reasons

“Political rhetoric provided some of the context for his thinking, the pretext for his actions, but the core reasons for his actions were his psychosis,” Lieberman said.

According to Lochman, “If your inhibitory controls are not working well, these kinds of media-provided models, people either engaging in or encouraging violence, could have an effect. I don’t know this case well enough to say that that happened, but it certainly could.”

He added, “If you see somebody else using aggressive behavior, there’s a tendency to increase the likelihood of yourself taking aggressive acts more often.”

If you noticed my comment was directly pointed toward how the rhetoric influences more sane people. To be specific, we are all Americans, and we all have different opinions. That shouldn’t make us enemies. Dividing for political gain is an old game but giving images of violence in such volume is something that only matches time in our past when extreme polarization occurred.

I reread every article post Charles made on the subject and his pointing out examples where Giffords had exchanges with Palin on the the cross hairs or examples of Tea Party signs and rhetoric (nothing stated as the cause of this senseless act) are things we should talk about while we talk about while talking about mental health. At least I think we can do that, and I don’t consider you to be an enemy. ;)

353 palomino  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:01:26pm

Palin’s entire premise is self-contradictory. She claims that her words condemning the Dems could have had nothing to do with the shootings because “crimes begin and end with the criminal.” At the same time, she claims that the MSM and Dem scrutiny of her is now putting her safety at risk. Moral: OK when I do it, but not them.

As usual, she’s playing the victim and appealing to a culturally (self) aggrieved base. It’s a tawdry little act, but the only one she knows. And it’s her only chance at the nod; is she gets the gop nomination, she’s not gonna win on policy or brains, but on sympathy and cultural identity.

354 Peter Kaufman  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:04:14pm

The more I think about it, Sarah Palin really is like Lina Lamont.

And to quote Ms. Lamont,

What do they think I am? Dumb or something? Why, I make more money than - than - than Calvin Coolidge! Put together!

What’s wrong with the way I talk? What’s the big idea? Am I dumb or something?

People”? I ain’t “people.” I am a - “a shimmering, glowing star in the cinema firmament.”
[picks up newspaper]

If we bring a little joy into your humdrum lives, it makes us feel as though our hard work ain’t been in vain for nothin’. Bless you all.

355 davesax  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:16:14pm

The blood libel and kooky anti-Semitism reigns in the Arab world, and it doesn’t get a fourth the coverage in a year that his stupid statement by Palin has gotten in the last 24 hours.

356 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:23:32pm

Just finally got a chance to watch the Palin video, and some of the reaction.

First of all, regarding Sarah Palin’s heavily-produced video. If I remember correctly, her in-house studio production equipment and personnel are provided by the FoxNews - and people who would fully know exactly what the “blood libel” statement entails. This statement wasn’t a simple analogy, but carefully scripted. Sarah might not have known the ramifications of those words, but her FoxNews producers most definitely did.

Second, we have Congressman Louie Gohmert’s (R-TX) multiple revisitations into insanity today- first with his claim that the FBI investigation of Jared Loughner’s assassination attempt is a all a smokescreen to protect Barack Obama and insinuated that Loughner was a leftist, and second with his saying he was going to offer a bill to Congress to allow Congressmen to openly carry weapons, including on the House Floor. Gohmert, for those of you who don’t remember is a far-right birther who made news last year with his lunatic “terror babies” ravings (including a rather psychotic interview with Anderson Cooper on CNN).

357 Mr.Boots  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:38:47pm

re: #16 Locker

You do it too! You do it too! There is nothing wrong with it, and we didn’t do it and we won’t admit it’s wrong but YOU DID IT TOO and it’s WRONG when you do it!

Absolutely classic. May I pass it on?

358 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:44:17pm

re: #355 davesax

The blood libel and kooky anti-Semitism reigns in the Arab world, and it doesn’t get a fourth the coverage in a year that his stupid statement by Palin has gotten in the last 24 hours.

If anything good comes out of this, maybe it will raise people’s consciousness about the history of the blood libel.

359 davesax  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:50:12pm

re: #358 Charles

That would be good, but I doubt it will happen. None of the coverage I have read from the mainstream press notes that this anti-Semitic fantasy is alive and well in the midde east, on PA TV and Egyptian television.

360 Carlos Machina  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:57:58pm

I find the story of Henry the Second and the murder of Thomas Becket relates to the current brouhaha.

According to historylearningsite.co.uk, “Henry was furious when he found out what Becket had done. He is said to have shouted out “will no-one rid me of this troublesome priest ?” Four knights heard what Henry had shouted and took it to mean that the king wanted Becket dead. They rode to Canterbury to carry out the deed.”

Now, it’s entirely true that Henry didn’t go to Canterbury and kill Becket.

Does that mean he bore no guilt, Palin fans?

Carlos

361 Yashmak  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:22:22pm

re: #360 Carlos Machina

As much as I detest Palin, your analogy is rather inexact. There’s just a bit of a difference in culpability between a king specifying that he wants someone gone in the presence of warriors who are oath-sworn to follow his orders, and the unspecific-yet-inflammatory rhetoric of a woman no one is obliged to follow.

362 jea62  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:34:57pm

‘America’s enduring strength” is that we have survived demagogues like Palin.

363 Carlos Machina  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 6:07:01pm

Well, I disagree about the Henry II example.

How about this one, about Mary Wilcox of Arizona? It’s a little closer to home in time and distance.

“Mary Rose Wilcox, a member of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors in Arizona, … was shot in 1997, while walking out of a board meeting, by a man who later said he was angry at her support for a baseball stadium tax. The first Hispanic woman elected to the board, Wilcox, a Democrat, had been the target of talk-radio tirades telling Maricopa County residents to “take her out.”

“I knew at the time that the hate had been caused by a lot of the rhetoric that had gone on,” Wilcox told HuffPost. “At the trial, the man actually said, ‘I shot her because the radio said I should take her out.’”

Did the talk radio guys who said she should be “taken out” have any share of the guilt?

364 samgak  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 7:29:01pm

Cog:

Wrong is wrong, and any attempt at tea party or Palin connection to this shooting is simply abhorrent. Granted Palin’s response only fuels the invective, but spend any amount of time volunteering with the mentally ill and you will kick yourself in your own ass for making that connection afterwards.


Agreed, mostly. Extreme, violent political rhetoric is dangerous and irresponsible, and condemning it is justified any day of the week, both before and after this shooting. However that doesn’t mean it can be connected to every violent act against a politician. Some people are mentally ill. Hinckley was one, Loughner is another. Palin’s critics are right in general, but wrong in this specific instance.

The “blood libel” thing was over the line too.

365 tomg  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:12:19pm

Please, let’s not confuse the shallowness of Sarah Palin with the extremely vicious need of the Left (and, its media supporters) to use any excuse to lash out at the Right. Never mind Sarah’s failings; the feeding-frenzy behaviour of left-leaning media and commentators for the last five days has been loathsome - and, makes most civil-minded folks cringe. Perhaps, now we have an inkling as to the roots of the phrase ‘don’t shoot the messenger!’…….Might it have been the uttering of a failed journalist or commentator who had lost their way? Perhaps, their last gasp as they were buried under an avalanche of deserved criticism for failure to lead in a time of crisis.

366 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:48:55pm

re: #106 JasonA

On another note, I find it interesting that someone who considers themselves such a friend to Jews and Israel rarely seems to know anything about them.

Perhaps someone has already said this, but IMO there are a lot of things about which Sarah Palin seems to know nothing.

I can offer only three half-hearted excuses for my voting for McCain/Palin in 2008—One, I didn’t know how much McCain has deteriorated; Two, I knew that then-Senator Obama was going to win; and Three, I didn’t have a 2% idea of just how ignorant, malicious, and malignant Sarah Palin is. Mea culpa.

367 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:52:33pm

re: #107 LoneStarSpur

Have we ever seen the likes of Palin in modern American politics?

She’s a seriously messed up person.

Thanks a lot, John.

Seriously. I thought Geraldine Ferraro set a new low for cranky nastiness, and Dan Quayle for blatant stupidity, but Palin manages to combine the two.

Someone really ought to look into alternative ways of picking the VP nominee. I have no idea what it would/should be, but it’s clear that in my lifetime the choices of our Presidential nominees have been seriously f***ed up.

368 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Jan 13, 2011 12:04:03am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Sharron Angle jumps on the victim bandwagon…
Sharron Angle Defends Inflammatory Rhetoric In Face Of Criticism

Are we talking about the person who couldn’t beat Harry Reid, one of the most unpopular elected officials ever in Nevada?

Methinks Angle is trying to make herself appear relevant again, and it’s not going to happen.

369 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Jan 13, 2011 12:20:58am

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

I knew what it was when I was in elementary school.

One thing that I didn’t learn until I went to (Catholic) college was just how little is known about Judaism by those who never had non-commercial dealings with our people.

370 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Jan 13, 2011 12:29:38am

re: #291 Fozzie Bear

It will be back up, somewhere else, within the hour, in a place she can’t delete it from.

What a fantastic end to a political career. I can see it from my house.

Here you go—

Youtube Video

Great film clip at the end.

371 Yashmak  Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:38:21am

re: #363 Carlos Machina

That’s definitely a more appropriate comparison, but at this time, I’m still unaware of any evidence supporting a connection between Palin’s words and Loughton’s actions…has some such evidence surfaced?

In some ways, this whole thing reminds me of attempts by criminals in the past to claim things like “violent rock music made me do it”…but in this case, the similar claim isn’t even being made by Loughton, it’s being made by others…and it appears he never even listened to the “rock music” in question, having been obsessed with this particular politician since well before any of the targets of the blame game even attained prominence on the national stage.

Don’t get me wrong, I think the violent/martial rhetoric on both sides of the aisle is disgusting, especially, seeing it continuing unabated in the wake of this tragedy. I think if our politicians, both Republican AND Democrat spent as much time analyzing potential legislation for the long term good of the nation, as they do trying to take political advantage of every tiny little move their opponents make, we’d all be better off.

372 Yashmak  Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:40:44am

re: #368 ClaudeMonet

Are we talking about the person who couldn’t beat Harry Reid, one of the most unpopular elected officials ever in Nevada?

Methinks Angle is trying to make herself appear relevant again, and it’s not going to happen.

That’s the same thing I thought when I saw Palin jumping on the “blood libel” bandwagon. It must be a constant balance to remain relevant for her too.

373 Yashmak  Thu, Jan 13, 2011 11:55:36am

Correction…in my last comment, I meant to use the word “struggle”, not “balance”…


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