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New feature tonight! Each and every author of LGF Pages now has her or his own RSS feed, with its own custom URL.

There’s always been an RSS feed for the whole thing, right here:

http://feeds2.feedburner.com/LittleGreenLinks

Now you can view any author’s RSS feed by using an address like this, with my name as an example:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/pages/rss/Charles

If the username contains spaces, they should be replaced with ‘+’ symbols, like this:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/pages/rss/Killgore+Trout

The author feeds contain the author’s most recent 25 Pages, in standard RSS 2.0 format so they should be readable by almost any RSS viewer.

(A Mad King Chuckie Production.)

UPDATE at 3/15/11 6:39:12 pm

Registration is currently open, if you’d like to jump headlong into the mosh pit.

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474 comments
1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 3:54:31pm

One of my friends just posted a picture of his new pi-day baby on facebook.

Now I want another baby.

Don’t worry, this will only last until the next time I feel tired.

2 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 3:57:07pm

Wow. Very cool.

3 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 3:58:20pm

Excellent!

4 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 3:59:57pm

re: #1 EmmmieG

One of my friends just posted a picture of his new pi-day baby on facebook.

Now I want another baby.

Don’t worry, this will only last until the next time I feel tired.

Taking applications?

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:02:30pm

re: #4 Walter L. Newton

Taking applications?

How do you look swaddled and with a pacifier?

6 darthstar  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:03:38pm

re: #5 EmmmieG

How do you look swaddled and with a pacifier?

When is he not?

7 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:04:42pm

Just checked my own rss feed.

Pretty cool, but I haven’t posted in a bit. Maybe I’ll go see what I can find.

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:09:29pm

Oh dear. I killed the thread. Or is everyone out finding something good to post?

9 prairiefire  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:09:48pm

More mad LGF blogging skillz.

10 Sinistershade  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:10:38pm

If case anyone was wondering, it appears the user name portion of these RSS links is not case sensitive. (This would not qualify as “something good to post,” however.)

11 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:11:21pm

LOL!
I missed this at the bottom of the post!

(A Mad King Chuckie Production.)

12 BishopX  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:13:00pm

re: #10 Sinistershade

Are lgf user names case sensitive? Should I try and register all 127 variants of BishopX the next time the door opens?

13 FreedomMoon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:13:54pm

How cool, it essentially becomes your own blog, thank you Charles.

14 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:13:55pm

sometimes it’s good to be nobody

15 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:14:12pm

I hope there are no additional responsibilities associated with this development.

16 engineer cat  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:15:57pm

naturally, the freeper reaction to the crisis in japan is denial, denial, and denial. they keep reposting this “interesting” statement published in the national review:

Let us be clear. Compared to the real disaster at hand, the hypothetical threat from the nuclear stations is zero. The reactors in question were all shut down four days ago. The control rods have been inserted, and the cores have been salted with boron. It is physically impossible for them to sustain a fission reaction of any kind at this point, let alone cause another Chernobyl. Only the fission-byproduct decay heat remains, and it is fading fast as the short half-life material (which accounts for most of the radioactivity) performs its decay reactions and ceases to exist. At this point, the total heating power in the reactors is only about 0.3 percent of what it was when the reactors were operating. That means that a system previously capable of generating 1,300 megawatts of heat would now yield 4 megawatts thermal — about the same as that emitted by a dozen 100-horsepower automobile engines. The Japanese engineers can certainly deal with that with water cooling. And even if they were to stop, there just isn’t enough heating power in the system anymore to generate a dangerous plume of radioactive materials, which is doubly impossible at this point since all the more active short half-life stuff is already gone.

No, the threat does not come from the power plant, but from panic spread by press misinformation. After Three Mile Island, the press spread hysteria as well, but at least there conditions in the rest of society were normal, and so the only victim of the press campaign was the nuclear industry

About author: “Dr. Robert Zubrin is the president of Pioneer Astronautics and the author of Energy Victory: Winning the War on Terror by Breaking Free of Oil. He holds a Ph.D. in nuclear engineering.”

freerepublic.com

oh, and just for good measure:

The ISIS [Institute for Science and International Security] is a leftist, anti-nuclear organization. Their thoughts on what level crisis this is can be safely ignored.

17 Sinistershade  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:18:53pm

re: #12 BishopX

Are lgf user names case sensitive? Should I try and register all 127 variants of BishopX the next time the door opens?

It appears they aren’t, at least for login. But the latter part of URLs (which traditionally represent directories and file names) often are, depending upon the Web server in use. Yes, it was a silly point to being up in the first place.

18 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:23:04pm

re: #8 EmmmieG

Oh dear. I killed the thread. Or is everyone out finding something good to post?

Not me… at least. Actually, I’m puttering through a video of the Ritz Teen Thespian Guild’s (Tiffen, Ohio) production of my script “1984.” They sent me this last year after the produced the show, but I wasn’t able to play it, some technical details beyond me about format and codecs and so on, but I have a new computer and I tried out the DVD on this computer, and using VLC player, and it’s working fine.

This is a group of teens who got a lot of high school funding cut from the arts programs in Ohio, and they started their own theatre group and connected up with the local professional theatre “The Ritz Theatre” to present shows basically produced by teens.

And for those who don’t aspire to acting, there crew and technical staff is made up of teens too. Even the board of directors.

There are only 13 parts in my script, but they had about 35 teens interested in stage roles, so, a few years ago, when they first approached me about this project, they asked my permission to add some non speaking characters, and to divide some of the “telescreen” parts to multiple actors, instead of having just one person do all of the “telescreen” speeches. I also rewrote a few dialog parts to accommodate gender changes, it seems that teen theatre always has more females than males interested in performing.

I say “puttering through the video” because, as the curmudgeon, and as much as I love to see young people interested in the theatre, it hurts my ears to hear some of this… nothing personal, I have 8mm tapes of myself performing as a teen, and that hurts too.

I love the efforts though.

19 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:24:49pm

re: #8 EmmmieG

Oh dear. I killed the thread. Or is everyone out finding something good to post?

No. I’m just sitting here in la la world.

20 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:27:39pm

Surgeon General: Buying Iodide a “Precaution”

“U.S. Surgeon General Regina Benjamin is in the Bay Area touring a peninsula hospital. NBC Bay Area reporter Damian Trujillo asked her about the run on tablets and Dr. Benjamin said although she wasn’t aware of people stocking up, she did not think that would be an overreaction. She said it was right to be prepared.”

nbcbayarea.com

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:27:40pm

I’m happy, because I got a loan I applied for at a local Jewish agency.

This means I can pay some bills, and also that I don’t have to become a Sikh.

22 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:29:54pm

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m happy, because I got a loan I applied for at a local Jewish agency.

This means I can pay some bills, and also that I don’t have to become a Sikh.

But, Sikh and ye shall find…

23 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:31:08pm

re: #22 wrenchwench

Ouch!

24 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:33:24pm

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m happy, because I got a loan I applied for at a local Jewish agency.

This means I can pay some bills, and also that I don’t have to become a Sikh.

Soros Propaganda!
/

25 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:35:03pm

From a lawhawk tweet: Navy: Anti-ship missiles, Farsi manual found on seized vessel

26 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:40:43pm

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

Surgeon General: Buying Iodide a “Precaution”

“U.S. Surgeon General Regina Benjamin is in the Bay Area touring a peninsula hospital. NBC Bay Area reporter Damian Trujillo asked her about the run on tablets and Dr. Benjamin said although she wasn’t aware of people stocking up, she did not think that would be an overreaction. She said it was right to be prepared.”

[Link: www.nbcbayarea.com…]

A coda on the article above… “Either way, the pills are hard to get. eBay prices have skyrocketed.”

The administration creating or saving jobs… for you, every day.

27 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:42:12pm

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

…I don’t have to become a Sikh.

Well thank the maker you found a way to remain a Real American.

28 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:42:36pm

Well if it ever reaches here I’ll be fine. I already take iodine. :)


la la la

29 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:42:52pm

re: #27 JasonA

Well thank the maker you found a way to remain a Real American.

Oh, I don’t count anyway. I’m from Northern California.

/

30 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:50:10pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

From a lawhawk tweet: Navy: Anti-ship missiles, Farsi manual found on seized vessel

another brazen attempt to undermine the Israelis….war is coming

31 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:51:36pm

another addiction to beat…damn
Gildfish this time

32 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:52:27pm

re: #31 albusteve

another addiction to beat…damn
Gildfish this time

Gildfish are addicting?

33 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:54:33pm

re: #30 albusteve

another brazen attempt to undermine the Israelis…war is coming

The very first Iranian ship through the suez was carrying weapons. Pretty obvious. Let’s hope this is a wake up call for the Egyptians. If this becomes common they are going to find themselves very unhappy.

34 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:00:06pm

Maisey the Parrot is bored… somebody post something.

35 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:01:15pm

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

Maisey the Parrot is bored… somebody post something.

Maisey want a gildfish?

36 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:02:23pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Maisey want a gildfish?

What the fuck is a gildfish?

37 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:03:49pm

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, I don’t count anyway. I’m from Northern California.

/

You need comfort food.

Here’s a recommendation (from progressives no less!)

38 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:04:21pm

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

What the fuck is a gildfish?

a misspelled goldfish…parrots love them

39 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:06:15pm

re: #38 albusteve

a misspelled goldfish…parrots love them

Maisey loves peanuts… in the shell… I just filled her seed bowl, goes right for the peanuts first… then the sunflower seeds next… she’ll throw all the stuff she doesn’t like out of the bowl to the bottom of the cage… sometimes she’ll throw seed at me if she wants attention and I’m not paying attention to her.

40 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:06:23pm

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

What the fuck is a gildfish?

Gilded goldfish.
Now 40% Goldier!

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:07:53pm

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

Maisey the Parrot is bored… somebody post something.

I haven’t heard from Maisey in a while. How is she doing?

42 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:08:28pm

re: #37 researchok

You need comfort food.

Here’s a recommendation (from progressives no less!)

You’re really determined to make me eat poutine, aren’t you?

It can’t be kosher.

43 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:08:39pm

The crisis in Japan is over! Everyone can breathe easy now!

Reuters Reuters Top News
FLASH: Nikkei share average rises 2 percent

44 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:12:55pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

I haven’t heard from Maisey in a while. How is she doing?

Bored.

45 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:16:54pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Maisey loves peanuts… in the shell… I just filled her seed bowl, goes right for the peanuts first… then the sunflower seeds next… she’ll throw all the stuff she doesn’t like out of the bowl to the bottom of the cage… sometimes she’ll throw seed at me if she wants attention and I’m not paying attention to her.

maybe it’s time you took her to Disney World

46 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:18:20pm

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

You’re really determined to make me eat poutine, aren’t you?

It can’t be kosher.

and I agree with some commenters…that is definitely not poutine

47 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:18:34pm

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

You’re really determined to make me eat poutine, aren’t you?

It can’t be kosher.

I had poutine today.

48 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:20:03pm

Is the words on the comment button bigger now or is it the drug I’m on?

49 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:20:25pm

re: #47 Jadespring

I had poutine today.

I’m and ex-pat Canadian and I’m pretty sure I’ve never had poutine. I don’t think anybody on either side of my family made it.

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:20:38pm

re: #48 Jadespring

Is the words on the comment button bigger now or is it the drug I’m on?

They are bigger.

51 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:21:24pm

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

They are bigger.

Okay good. :)

52 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:21:50pm

re: #51 Jadespring

Okay good. :)

I’d have said darn.

53 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:22:14pm

re: #49 mracb

I’m and ex-pat Canadian and I’m pretty sure I’ve never had poutine. I don’t think anybody on either side of my family made it.

I never make it myself.

54 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:22:42pm

re: #48 Jadespring

They grew.

55 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:23:18pm

re: #52 mracb

I’d have said darn.

Hee. :) No I have enough weird stuff going on already. I don’t need font hallucinations too.

56 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:23:26pm

re: #54 Charles

They grew.

Heh, I thought I messed up the zoom in FF.

58 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:24:30pm

Japanese Dog Refuses to Leave Injured Friend Behind

Youtube Video
59 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:26:04pm

re: #16 engineer dog

oh, and just for good measure:

The ISIS [Institute for Science and International Security] is a leftist, anti-nuclear organization. Their thoughts on what level crisis this is can be safely ignored.

These idiots definitely NEED their survival seeds. Unbelievable.

60 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:28:19pm

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

You’re really determined to make me eat poutine, aren’t you?

It can’t be kosher.

True- but if you are going to break the rules, this is worth it.

And better than knocking over a liquor storere: #51 Jadespring

Okay good. :)

That means you can have more drugs.
/

61 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:29:17pm

Hoops, when is deadline for filling out brackets, ie, first game? iee, do I still have TIME?

62 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:31:13pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Japanese Dog Refuses to Leave Injured Friend Behind

[Video]

I hope they helped save both those dogs. That dog is a hero.

63 HoosierHoops  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:35:04pm

re: #61 Stanley Sea

Hoops, when is deadline for filling out brackets, ie, first game? iee, do I still have TIME?

I’d say Weds…although I ignore play in games…Who cares about them? BTW..I can’t believe Florida is at # 2..Who did you bribe sister?
/

64 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:35:55pm

re: #63 HoosierHoops

I’d say Weds…although I ignore play in games…Who cares about them? BTW..I can’t believe Florida is at # 2..Who did you bribe sister?
/

LOL, Dickie V! (not that he has any pull in selection)

65 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:37:02pm

Charles-or anyone who knows how this works—Okay so if I want to make it easy to RSS to my pages, I just include a link like Charles showed or will there be an RSS icon that readers can click? In the share box with all those sharing icons?

66 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:37:50pm

re: #63 HoosierHoops

I’d say Weds…although I ignore play in games…Who cares about them? BTW..I can’t believe Florida is at # 2..Who did you bribe sister?
/

I just checked our local sports station bracket - Thurs 3/17 at noon. Phew. I hate signing up, and I never remember my accounts/passwords from prior years.

67 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:41:13pm

re: #65 Rightwingconspirator

Charles-or anyone who knows how this works—Okay so if I want to make it easy to RSS to my pages, I just include a link like Charles showed or will there be an RSS icon that readers can click? In the share box with all those sharing icons?

Good idea - there should be an easy link to the author feeds somewhere. Maybe in the user profile…

68 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:42:19pm

re: #67 Charles

Excellent, and thanks very much.

69 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:43:34pm

OK, I put up five new pages today. Just click my nic, no need to subscribe…

This relates to one of them:

Image: funny-pictures-cat-doesnt-get-lolspeak.jpg

Later, lizards.

70 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:44:27pm

re: #62 mracb

I hope they helped save both those dogs. That dog is a hero.

I’m pretty sure all services are overloaded, especially with medical supplies. I put up a page with a donation link to the International Humane Society.

71 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:44:52pm

re: #67 Charles

Good idea - there should be an easy link to the author feeds somewhere. Maybe in the user profile…

Good idea.

72 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:49:53pm

re: #15 wrenchwench

I hope there are no additional responsibilities associated with this development.

No catches that I can see.
Cool feature.

73 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:57:42pm

Hey, McSpiff, if you are out there, sorry I went off the other night. You didn’t deserve it. Japan has shaken me badly (not an excuse, just a fact). I just don’t see we can control carbon output without a secure source of baseline electricity production. The doesn’t always shine and the wind doesn’t always blow. Coal sucks, gas is less sucky, but still.

Again, I apologize.

austin_blue

74 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:58:36pm

The user profile popup dialog now contains a link to the LGF Pages author feed.

75 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:00:20pm

This is pretty cool

“It’s a symbolic and practical reclamation of private property that belongs to the Libyan people. It’s about their struggle, which is why the place has been handed over to the Libyans as a place to organise and a safe space for refugees,” Jay says.

Young Libyan activists take over and are squatting in Saif Qaddafi’s UK mansion

76 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:03:45pm

I just checked out my profile from the other day. Wow all of these really neat new toys.

77 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:04:29pm

re: #74 Charles

That was really fast. Thanks.

78 darthstar  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:04:57pm

Looks like John Boehner is still demonstrating his incompetence as Speaker of the House as well as his inability to lead his own party. That makes me happy. I can’t stand that orange fucker.

79 darthstar  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:06:01pm

re: #74 Charles

The user profile popup dialog now contains a link to the LGF Pages author feed.

Wow…I have my own RSS…I’d like to buy a vowel please!

80 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:06:48pm

re: #79 darthstar

Wow…I have my own RSS…I’d like to buy a vowel please!

You’ll have to license that vowel from Dave Winer.

81 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:06:51pm

re: #79 darthstar
$250 please. Vowels cost money.

82 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:07:50pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

From a lawhawk tweet: Navy: Anti-ship missiles, Farsi manual found on seized vessel

Iran is really asking for it with this one. They seriously ought to be punished for trying to ship in heavy weapons like that.

83 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:09:55pm

thedeadhandbook David E. Hoffman

RT @aaronernst: #NHK reporting too far away to tell exactly which reactor white smoke is coming from #nuclear reactor in #fukushima.

84 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:11:06pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

Iran is really asking for it with this one. They seriously ought to be punished for trying to ship in heavy weapons like that.

It’s expected from the Iranians so it won’t be seen as a big deal. The new factor is Egypt allowed the shipment through the Suez. Iran did this to send a the message that the game has changed. My guess is they had some help getting the shipment through. The new Egyptian government is going to have to make a decision about allowing weapons into Gaza.

85 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:14:38pm

Heh. Microsoft is promoting #IE9 on Twitter.

86 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:14:59pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

It’s expected from the Iranians so it won’t be seen as a big deal. The new factor is Egypt allowed the shipment through the Suez. Iran did this to send a the message that the game has changed. My guess is they had some help getting the shipment through. The new Egyptian government is going to have to make a decision about allowing weapons into Gaza.

I’m sure it’s a violation of the Camp David Accords….Egypt may get a pass on this one, but the future is bleak if this shit becomes policy…Israel will have no choice but to become more hostile…might even see an old fashioned shoot out on the high seas

87 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:15:21pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Latest from The Wall Street Journal:

online.wsj.com

88 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:16:52pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Oh great, this situation is getting worse. Hopefully, the white smoke is just steam or something.

I’m beginning to get angry that no one has decided to started firing at Gaddafi here. We didn’t get our independence on our own. And frankly, I want to make sure Gaddafi goes to hell now for the things he did, including the Lockerbie Bombing.

89 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:17:13pm

it’s a communication breakdown

Youtube Video

shake for me baby
wanna be your back door man

90 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:17:22pm

For Fuck’s sake. Crazy Pam has a video claiming that one of the surviving children from the terrorist attack blames Obama.

91 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:18:14pm
Youtube Video

Any Hebrew speakers care to translate?

92 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:19:52pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

For Fuck’s sake. Crazy Pam has a video claiming that one of the surviving children from the terrorist attack blames Obama.

I’m snarkless.

93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:20:21pm

On the lighter side? We had a hostage situation yesterday at a local mall.

At least that’s how the local news was reporting it.

Ready for a chuckle?

94 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:20:51pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

[Video]
Any Hebrew speakers care to translate?

I think they’re saying “With friends like Pam Geller, Israel doesn’t need any enemies.”

95 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:22:03pm

re: #87 PhillyPretzel

Latest from The Wall Street Journal:

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

I heard a guy on the evil, breaking our country’s back NPR on the drive home - he was at Three Mile Island. His one comment that stuck was they at least had power in the control room to allow handling of the situation. These folks in Japan are apparently in the dark.

Crazy.

96 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:24:37pm

re: #93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nice over-reaction there police officers and mall people.

:facepalm:

97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:25:25pm

What company makes IODINE? Git you some stock, and fast!

98 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:26:58pm

re: #97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What company makes IODINE? Git you some stock, and fast!

Just eat a pound of Morton’s salt.

99 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:27:52pm

re: #98 austin_blue

Just eat a pound of Morton’s salt.

I can’t (high blood pressure).

100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:28:17pm

re: #98 austin_blue

I’ve read of children being punished by having to eat salt and dying.

How messed up is that?

101 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:28:56pm

re: #97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What company makes IODINE? Git you some stock, and fast!

Tincture of iodine, 6 ml (40 drops), painted on the skin daily will work in a pinch. It’s not time yet.

102 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:29:07pm

re: #97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #98 austin_blue

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

From WSJ (AP article):online.wsj.com

103 Achilles Tang  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:29:19pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

It’s expected from the Iranians so it won’t be seen as a big deal. The new factor is Egypt allowed the shipment through the Suez. Iran did this to send a the message that the game has changed. My guess is they had some help getting the shipment through. The new Egyptian government is going to have to make a decision about allowing weapons into Gaza.

I read the containers were loaded in Beirut and came in overland via Syria.

104 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:29:32pm

re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’ve read of children being punished by having to eat salt and dying.

How messed up is that?

Damn messed up. In fact, murder.

105 jaunte  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:29:33pm

re: #97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Looks like there’s a run on it:


Americans fearing radioactive fallout snap up potassium supplies
Potassium iodine (or KI, according to its chemical makeup) fills up the thyroid so it can’t absorb the radioactive iodine isotope, which can cause thyroid cancer, especially in children, infants and fetuses.

As USA TODAY’s Liz Szabo reports, after age 20 it’s not necessary to take KI, because the risk of thyroid cancer is negligible, though people with an existing thyroid disease may be at higher risk. Adults over 40 have the lowest risk of thyroid cancer but are most susceptible to allergic reactions from taking potassium iodide.
content.usatoday.com

106 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:32:16pm

bring it on….
I volunteer to glow

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:33:10pm

re: #102 PhillyPretzel

Didn’t see that coming.

108 abolitionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:33:26pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

[Video]
Any Hebrew speakers care to translate?

Using Chrome, Google translation for the description:
Uploaded by HakolHayehudi on Mar 13, 2011
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said during console the bereaved families of Vogel and Ben Yehuda, “They shoot and we are building.” In a few days will play completely different songs? (Photo: Gabi Newman, the Samaria Regional Council.)

109 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:34:05pm

Hmm, Hamas is getting ready….
Egypt intercepts vehicles carrying weapons from Sudan to Gaza

110 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:34:17pm

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I cannot find it but there was an article in the WSJ yesterday or before about it.

111 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:34:19pm

re: #102 PhillyPretzel

re: #98 austin_blue

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

From WSJ (AP article):[Link: online.wsj.com…]

Damn, but people can just be reactionary nutballs sometimes.

112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:34:38pm

re: #96 ProLifeLiberal

That’s what you get for “SWB”.

113 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:34:59pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

For Fuck’s sake. Crazy Pam has a video claiming that one of the surviving children from the terrorist attack blames Obama.

It’s no surprise that Pamela Geller would use the murder of this family and the words of this child to gain cheap political points. The kid was probably just thinking freely. You can watch a translated version here. He tells Bibi, “what will happen if you do something will America do something to you?” He probably overheard one of the adults arguing about this earlier. But instead the right wing extremists will translate this into a massively conspiratorial theory.

114 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:35:18pm

re: #111 austin_blue
Yes.

115 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:36:39pm

re: #106 albusteve

bring it on…
I volunteer to glow

Steve, you’re so tough and stubborn Gamma rays just pass right on through and don’t bother you.

/kidding but those are qualities I admire in you.

116 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:36:42pm

re: #103 Naso Tang

I read the containers were loaded in Beirut and came in overland via Syria.

Ah, you’re a little but off but correct that the weapons weren’t shipped through the canal as I thought…..
haaretz.com

Ben-Yehuda said that thus far IDF forces located two Chinese-made C-704 missiles with a range of 35 kilometers, noting the IDF believes that more missiles were hidden on the ship.The IDF estimates that the weapons and ammunition found on board the ship could reach 50 tons.

He said that weapons were smuggled from Iran to Syria where the ship collected them on its way to Turkey and then sailed to Egypt.

117 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:36:47pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Hmm, Hamas is getting ready…
Egypt intercepts vehicles carrying weapons from Sudan to Gaza

it’s getting closer every day….and don’t take your eye off of Hez, it’s probably all for their benefit anyway

118 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:38:43pm

thedeadhandbook David E. Hoffman

RT @W_Nuclear_News: Second fire reported at unit 4 lffq7.tk #nuclear

119 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:39:40pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Hmm, Hamas is getting ready…
Egypt intercepts vehicles carrying weapons from Sudan to Gaza

Full court press by Iran. It could be they’re trying to force an anti-Israel outcry by forcing Israel to react to these threats.

120 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:40:06pm

re: #113 Gus 802

It’s no surprise that Pamela Geller would use the murder of this family and the words of this child to gain cheap political points. The kid was probably just thinking freely. You can watch a translated version here. He tells Bibi, “what will happen if you do something will America do something to you?” He probably overheard one of the adults arguing about this earlier. But instead the right wing extremists will translate this into a massively conspiratorial theory.

Ah, ok. It’s not a surprise that many (if not most) of the settlers don’t like America much and probably blame us for the Israeli governments decisions to get out of Gaza or prematurely stopping conflicts with Lebanon and the Gaza incursion. Like it or not, we’re Israel’s only reliable ally.

121 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:40:57pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Steve, you’re so tough and stubborn Gamma rays just pass right on through and don’t bother you.

/kidding but those are qualities I admire in you.

I’m not too concerned how I leave this world, or when

122 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:41:33pm

re: #93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

On the lighter side? We had a hostage situation yesterday at a local mall.

At least that’s how the local news was reporting it.

Ready for a chuckle?

A ten-hour search?
For a guy with an umbrella?
(I know, I know - they thought it was a gun).
Yes, thanks for the chuckle!

123 BishopX  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:42:33pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

My guess is that the Iranians want to be able to go off on Israel to help quell the opposition, Hamas is probably in a similar boat. There were reports today of Egypt-style demonstrations in Gaza.

124 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:43:18pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Ah, ok. It’s not a surprise that many (if not most) of the settlers don’t like America much and probably blame us for the Israeli governments decisions to get out of Gaza or prematurely stopping conflicts with Lebanon and the Gaza incursion. Like it or not, we’re Israel’s only reliable ally.

Yeah. It predates Obama. I’m thinking about the infamous election and Annapolis Conference.

125 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:43:42pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

Full court press by Iran. It could be they’re trying to force an anti-Israel outcry by forcing Israel to react to these threats.

indeed…or listen for whatever other voices are out there….everybody wants to be heard in the ME right now, feeling around and observing the turmoil….time for Israel to have their shields up

126 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:44:16pm

re: #88 ProLifeLiberal

Update on the kamekaze attack on Gaddafi’s compound earlier today. 2 high level people were in the facility, possibly 2 of Gaddafi’s sons, and were taken to the hospital. They are rumored to be be grievously injured or killed. One of the sons commanded 32nd Armored Brigade.

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:46:03pm

re: #124 Gus 802

Yeah. It predates Obama. I’m thinking about the infamous election and Annapolis Conference.

The terrible truth is that Obama’s Israel policy looks a whole hell of a lot like the Israel policy we’ve had for a long, long time.

128 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:48:22pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

129 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:50:56pm

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

The terrible truth is that Obama’s Israel policy looks a whole hell of a lot like the Israel policy we’ve had for a long, long time.

Yeah, I doubt they like Obama any more or less than they did Bush. Foreign policy towards Israel hasn’t changed. It’s also not like they fear his “socialist” domestic policies since Judaism has a strong tradition of communal living with the kibbutz.

130 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:50:59pm

Photo of pilot who crashed into Qaddafi’s compound

ShababLibya LibyanYouthMovement

on.fb.me Muhammad Mokhtar Osman, the pilot who will forever be a hero to every Libyan #Libya #Feb17 #gaddaficrimes

131 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:52:38pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

Ah, you’re a little but off but correct that the weapons weren’t shipped through the canal as I thought…
[Link: www.haaretz.com…]

Here’s the Wiki on the C-704. And some key stats are:

Very little official information on the C-704 is publicized at its debut at the sixth Zhuhai airshow in 2006 except the following:

* Warhead: 130 kg
* Speed: high subsonic
* Range: 35 km
* Cruise altitude: 15–20 metres
* Developer: China Aviation Industry Corporation

It’s a radar guided missile designed to take out ships the size of Israel’s corvettes. The improved seeker makes it harder to spoof the missile with chaff countermeasures.

132 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:54:21pm

re: #126 ProLifeLiberal

Update on the kamekaze attack on Gaddafi’s compound earlier today. 2 high level people were in the facility, possibly 2 of Gaddafi’s sons, and were taken to the hospital. They are rumored to be be grievously injured or killed. One of the sons commanded 32nd Armored Brigade.

Hopefully, he disrupts the regime enough for the rebels to hold Benghazi. At least, he likely bought them some time.

133 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:55:49pm

re: #126 ProLifeLiberal

Update on the kamekaze attack on Gaddafi’s compound earlier today. 2 high level people were in the facility, possibly 2 of Gaddafi’s sons, and were taken to the hospital. They are rumored to be be grievously injured or killed. One of the sons commanded 32nd Armored Brigade.

Damn!
Flew a jet into it???
Wow.

134 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:55:50pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I doubt they like Obama any more or less than they did Bush. Foreign policy towards Israel hasn’t changed. It’s also not like they fear his “socialist” domestic policies since Judaism has a strong tradition of communal living with the kibbutz.

aside from the fact that US policy has been poorly expressed at times with mix ups between Biden, BO and Clinton…and the fact that BO is probably not as warm toward Israel as I’d like to see, I have no real complaints…and I’ve been waiting for a huge stumble in there….not much seems to have changed nor is there a reason to, except to support building on the West Bank

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:56:57pm

re: #133 Varek Raith

What’s the Arabic word for Kamakazi?

136 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:58:05pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

Here’s the Wiki on the C-704. And some key stats are:

It’s a radar guided missile designed to take out ships the size of Israel’s corvettes. The improved seeker makes it harder to spoof the missile with chaff countermeasures.

littoral weapon, and it needs active radar….2nd rate

137 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:59:24pm

re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What’s the Arabic word for Kamakazi?

National Hero

بطل القومي

138 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:59:44pm

re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What’s the Arabic word for Kamakazi?

“Suicide Bomber” or “Terrorist”.

Just like ours.

139 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 6:59:56pm

re: #133 Varek Raith

I kinda have a feeling of “serves you right” if it turns out Gaddafi lost his sons. Now he knows what those who lost their sons and daughters on Pan Am 103 felt. Also, it seems 2 more fighter pilots (and their jets) may have defected.

140 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:04:09pm

re: #138 austin_blue

There was a discussion on this earlier, when the rumor started.

Also, I just saw someone on twitter pointing out that there are a lack of medical supplies in the nation now.

I killed the thread didn’t I?

141 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:05:10pm

re: #139 ProLifeLiberal

I kinda have a feeling of “serves you right” if it turns out Gaddafi lost his sons. Now he knows what those who lost their sons and daughters on Pan Am 103 felt. Also, it seems 2 more fighter pilots (and their jets) may have defected.

killing or causing the death of others is a death sentence to me…just a basic notion I’m comfortable with…I hope they all expire and soon, dad, boys, daughters, uncles…whoever

142 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:05:46pm

re: #140 ProLifeLiberal

There was a discussion on this earlier, when the rumor started.

Also, I just saw someone on twitter pointing out that there are a lack of medical supplies in the nation now.

I killed the thread didn’t I?

threads are invincible

143 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:05:56pm

re: #136 albusteve

littoral weapon, and it needs active radar…2nd rate

Even so, its small radar cross-section and improved seeker mean that a pair of them would stand a modest chance against an Israeli corvette since those lack AEGIS and the sheer amount of defensive missile power carried by a Arleigh Burke or Ticonderoga class warship.

144 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:09:12pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Even so, its small radar cross-section and improved seeker mean that a pair of them would stand a modest chance against an Israeli corvette since those lack AEGIS and the sheer amount of defensive missile power carried by a Arleigh Burke or Ticonderoga class warship.

my point is this…when it comes to a fork in the road, a few batteries of these things will vanish and maybe even sink a smaller boat….but in the end that stuff will be a footnote when combat operations cease…and I hope the US is in there to pile on

145 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:11:07pm

re: #144 albusteve

my point is this…when it comes to a fork in the road, a few batteries of these things will vanish and maybe even sink a smaller boat…but in the end that stuff will be a footnote when combat operations cease…and I hope the US is in there to pile on

Agreed. Those things could only be used once, because after that the radar set that spotted for them would be blown to Hell by IAF ARMs (Anti-Radiation Missiles).

146 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:12:10pm

hi newbies!…
I’m one of a few resident Israeli friends and a sincere war monger/cheerleader for the Jews

147 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:12:19pm

re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What’s the Arabic word for Kamakazi?


Shahid. And in this case I’m willing to grant him the title.

148 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:13:33pm

HEY all!

any hatchlings?

How is everyone?

149 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:16:28pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Those things could only be used once, because after that the radar set that spotted for them would be blown to Hell by IAF ARMs (Anti-Radiation Missiles).

that’s the plan

150 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:18:29pm

re: #139 ProLifeLiberal

I kinda have a feeling of “serves you right” if it turns out Gaddafi lost his sons. Now he knows what those who lost their sons and daughters on Pan Am 103 felt. Also, it seems 2 more fighter pilots (and their jets) may have defected.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the U.S. kill one of his daughters on a bombing run?

151 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:19:45pm

re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist

Shahid. And in this case I’m willing to grant him the title.

DID YOU SEE THAT?!!1 SanFranciscoAnti-Zionist is openly defending Islamic suicide attacks!!1! Next she’ll be applauding Hamas!!!11

-Stalker Blog

[waves to the Stalkers]

152 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:20:13pm

re: #150 Alouette

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the U.S. kill one of his daughters on a bombing run?

Granddaughter, Reagan.

153 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:20:40pm

re: #150 Alouette

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the U.S. kill one of his daughters on a bombing run?

Yes, in Operation Eldorado Canyon in 1986.

154 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:20:58pm

thedeadhandbook David E. Hoffman

NHK: Edano higher radiation readings —> workers suspended operations, they have evacuated to safer area. #nuclear

155 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:21:12pm

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

-Stalker Blog

[waves to the Stalkers]

you promised

156 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:22:35pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Even so, its small radar cross-section and improved seeker mean that a pair of them would stand a modest chance against an Israeli corvette since those lack AEGIS and the sheer amount of defensive missile power carried by a Arleigh Burke or Ticonderoga class warship.

However, it *has* been conclusively proven that a Zodiac can knock the fuck out of a US Navy Destroyer.

images.search.yahoo.com

157 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:22:44pm

re: #155 albusteve

you promised

I promised I’d go a whole day without bringing them up, and I did that on Monday. Today they went after me for a second straight day. So today I mocked them.

158 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:23:14pm
New feature tonight! Each and every author of LGF Pages now has her or his own RSS feed, with its own custom URL.

Wooohoo, now I only have to download my favs! Very cool. Thanks, Charles.

*happy dance*

159 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:23:50pm

re: #150 Alouette

Adopted, but yes, you are correct.

I just noticed that the Maldives are now pushing hard for a No-Fly Zone. I give that country credit for spunk, considering its size.

One of the people who posts pages here confrimed the kamekaze attack, so it definitely happened.

160 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:24:08pm

re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist

Shahid. And in this case I’m willing to grant him the title.

Actually, I hope Gaddafi lives to a ripe old age.

To reflect on how he was ultimately responsible for the death of thousands and the deaths of his own children.

161 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:24:36pm

re: #156 austin_blue

However, it *has* been conclusively proven that a Zodiac can knock the fuck out of a US Navy Destroyer.

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com…]

True, but it would be much harder for a Zodiac to get close today. Our DD’s now mount a plethora of close-in weapons including 7.62mm Miniguns and .50cal M2HBs.

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:24:41pm

re: #150 Alouette

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the U.S. kill one of his daughters on a bombing run?

The Libyans claimed that his adopted daughter died in a bombing. However, the child was not known to exist before that bombing run, and there’s no proof of her existence out there, so there’s been a general theory that she may have been made up for propaganda reasons.

163 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:24:58pm

new puppy is awake

bbl

164 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:26:31pm

re: #130 Stanley Sea

Photo of pilot who crashed into Qaddafi’s compound

ShababLibya LibyanYouthMovement

[Link: on.fb.me…] Muhammad Mokhtar Osman, the pilot who will forever be a hero to every Libyan #Libya #Feb17 #gaddaficrimes

Holy crap! I take a few hours off to do some computer maintenance and and this happens?

165 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:27:48pm

re: #164 CuriousLurker

Holy crap! I take a few hours off to do some computer maintenance and and this happens?

And you missed the really big news.

I’d tell you if I could.

166 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:29:02pm

re: #164 CuriousLurker

Holy crap! I take a few hours off to do some computer maintenance and and this happens?

I hail the twitter god.

167 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:29:09pm

re: #160 researchok

Actually, I hope Gaddafi lives to a ripe old age.

To reflect on how he was ultimately responsible for the death of thousands and the deaths of his own children.

Somehow I’m unconvinced that he’d feel any remorse. In his fantasy land it would all be someone else’s fault.

168 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:29:40pm

re: #167 CuriousLurker

Somehow I’m unconvinced that he’d feel any remorse. In his fantasy land it would all be someone else’s fault.

Yeah, I know.

But I can dream.

169 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:30:41pm

re: #163 ggt

IT’SA PUPPY!!!

Okay, I’m normal again. I lose intelligence the closer I am to animals.

Cuteness Proximity

170 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:30:58pm

Anyone interested in sports game graphics?

This is what I’m watching - baseball live

gatorzone.cstv.com

Pretty damn wild.

171 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:32:04pm

re: #166 Stanley Sea

I hail the twitter god.

I’m straining not to say what I want to say about a airplane being turned on the guys. Suffice it to say that I won’t be shedding any tears or saying any special prayers for him & his sons.

172 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:32:29pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

I promised I’d go a whole day without bringing them up, and I did that on Monday. Today they went after me for a second straight day. So today I mocked them.

I jest

173 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:35:10pm

re: #171 CuriousLurker

I’m straining not to say what I want to say about a airplane being turned on the guys. Suffice it to say that I won’t be shedding any tears or saying any special prayers for him & his sons.

They’re harvesting the whirlwind. All my prayers are for the innocents in the path of this mess.

174 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:35:16pm

re: #165 researchok

And you missed the really big news.

I’d tell you if I could.

Sheesh, I can’t take my eyes off you guys for one minute.

175 justaminute  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:35:41pm

On TV the Japanese gov. announced that the are goring to have to take the workers out and abandon the plant.

176 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:36:22pm

re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist

They’re harvesting the whirlwind. All my prayers are for the innocents in the path of this mess.

Same here.

177 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:36:24pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

Sheesh, I can’t take my eyes off you guys for one minute.

Is that really unexpected?

178 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:37:12pm

re: #177 b_sharp

Is that really unexpected?

Heh, prolly not.

179 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:37:42pm

re: #175 justaminute

On TV the Japanese gov. announced that the are goring to have to take the workers out and abandon the plant.

Oh, Hell.

180 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:37:46pm

re: #175 justaminute

On TV the Japanese gov. announced that the are goring to have to take the workers out and abandon the plant.

Al Goring?

181 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:38:27pm

re: #178 CuriousLurker

Heh, prolly not.

Just don’t leave the key to the liquor cabinet lying around.

182 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:38:38pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

Oh, Hell.

thedeadhandbook David E. Hoffman

One wonders how they can save the reactors if all the remaining staff have evacuated in the face of high radiation readings. #nuclear

183 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:42:11pm

re: #182 Stanley Sea

thedeadhandbook David E. Hoffman

One wonders how they can save the reactors if all the remaining staff have evacuated in the face of high radiation readings. #nuclear

See this

Last Defense at Troubled Reactors: 50 Japanese Workers

A small crew of technicians, braving radiation and fire, became the only people remaining at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station on Tuesday — and perhaps Japan’s last chance of preventing a broader nuclear catastrophe.

They are the faceless 50, the unnamed operators who stayed behind. They have volunteered, or been assigned, to pump seawater on dangerously exposed nuclear fuel, already thought to be partly melting and spewing radioactive material, to prevent full meltdowns that could throw thousands of tons of radioactive dust high into the air and imperil millions of their compatriots…

The workers are being asked to make escalating — and perhaps existential — sacrifices that so far are being only implicitly acknowledged: Japan’s Health Ministry said Tuesday it was raising the legal limit on the amount of radiation to which each worker could be exposed, to 250 millisieverts from 100 millisieverts, five times the maximum exposure permitted for American nuclear plant workers.

184 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:43:06pm

re: #183 researchok

See this

Last Defense at Troubled Reactors: 50 Japanese Workers

And now they’re gone? Holy shit.

185 justaminute  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:43:40pm

re: #182 Stanley Sea

thedeadhandbook David E. Hoffman

One wonders how they can save the reactors if all the remaining staff have evacuated in the face of high radiation readings. #nuclear

I wonder about #5 and #6. We already know 1 through 4 are in trouble.

186 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:44:00pm

re: #184 Stanley Sea

And now they’re gone? Holy shit.

I think they are the ones who stayed.

187 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:44:56pm

re: #186 researchok

I think they are the ones who stayed.

But they are talking about them leaving now.

188 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:46:45pm

re: #187 Stanley Sea

But they are talking about them leaving now.

Those men have already proven themselves heroes, but if they are pulled out it must because the situation has become dire.

189 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:46:46pm

re: #187 Stanley Sea

But they are talking about them leaving now.

Yeah, I just saw that on WAPO. Thanks for pointing that out.

Means big trouble.

190 BishopX  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:47:19pm

Question for all you military folks about the Gaza Missiles. Assuming that hamas doesn’t have any radar (much less military targeting radar). These missiles could not be used to target ships without line of sight from launcher, and possibly not even then, right?

If you is it possible that they could be used to strike land targets inside Israel? It seems like their range is a little bit longer than grad rockets (35 km instead of 20), but I don’t know how targeting would work.

191 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:49:00pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Those men have already proven themselves heroes, but if they are pulled out it must because the situation has become dire.

re: #189 researchok

Yeah, I just saw that on WAPO. Thanks for pointing that out.

Means big trouble.

Big trouble. Here’s a tweet from our Ambassador

AmbassadorRoos John V. Roos
by AlecJRoss

U.S. citizens in need of emergency assistance should send an e-mail to JapanEmergencyUSC@state.gov with detailed location and information.

192 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:49:50pm

re: #190 BishopX

Question for all you military folks about the Gaza Missiles. Assuming that hamas doesn’t have any radar (much less military targeting radar). These missiles could not be used to target ships without line of sight from launcher, and possibly not even then, right?

If you is it possible that they could be used to strike land targets inside Israel? It seems like their range is a little bit longer than grad rockets (35 km instead of 20), but I don’t know how targeting would work.

All depends on the guidance systems.

Some are GPS based (enter coordinates) and others can be ‘guided’ by those with other airborne assets.

193 freetoken  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:51:46pm

re: #175 justaminute

On TV the Japanese gov. announced that the are goring to have to take the workers out and abandon the plant.

Which is just the opposite of what they said yesterday.

Yesterday Kan was furious that TEPCO wanted to withdraw its remaining workers, and Kan even went so far as to set up office at TEPCO and essentially tell the CEO what to do.

So it looks like Kan has reversed himself here, which I take to mean that the radiation levels really are harmful to people near the plant.

194 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:52:47pm

re: #192 researchok

All depends on the guidance systems.

Some are GPS based (enter coordinates) and others can be ‘guided’ by those with other airborne assets.

The missiles in question home in with radar.re: #131 Dark_Falcon

Here’s the Wiki on the C-704. And some key stats are:

* Warhead: 130 kg
* Speed: high subsonic
* Range: 35 km
* Cruise altitude: 15–20 metres
* Developer: China Aviation Industry Corporation

It’s a radar guided missile designed to take out ships the size of Israel’s corvettes. The improved seeker makes it harder to spoof the missile with chaff countermeasures.

195 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:53:53pm

re: #190 BishopX

Question for all you military folks about the Gaza Missiles. Assuming that hamas doesn’t have any radar (much less military targeting radar). These missiles could not be used to target ships without line of sight from launcher, and possibly not even then, right?

If you is it possible that they could be used to strike land targets inside Israel? It seems like their range is a little bit longer than grad rockets (35 km instead of 20), but I don’t know how targeting would work.

Anti-ship missiles are normally unable to attack land targets. Their radar has trouble with the ground clutter.

196 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:54:50pm

acarvin Andy Carvin

“The workers there have suspended their operations, even the minimum ones. They have evacuated to a safe area.” - Cabinet Min Yukio Edano

197 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:55:17pm

So… it seems as if they’ve now evacuated all of the workers at this point.

Hope the last one out shut the door…

198 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:56:01pm

Gators beat FSU! 5-4 in the 10th (it matters, A LOT to moi)

199 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:56:08pm

re: #191 Stanley Sea

Thus far, in 2011, we have seen:

- the attempted assassination of a Congresswoman
- Tunisia’s regime toppled
- Egypt’s regime toppled
- Other protests of varying degrees throughout the Middle East
- The rights of women and workers under escalating assault in America
- Civil war in Libya
- Earthquake/Tsunami/Nuclear disaster in Japan

And it’s only the middle of March

…if ever one wondered why the phrase “may you live in interesting times” is considered a curse, this ought to shed some light on the matter.

200 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:56:40pm

re: #197 JasonA

So… it seems as if they’ve now evacuated all of the workers at this point.

Hope the last one out shut the door…

And left the spigot running. I mean, what the hell will happen now?

201 justaminute  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:56:51pm

re: #193 freetoken

Which is just the opposite of what they said yesterday.

Yesterday Kan was furious that TEPCO wanted to withdraw its remaining workers, and Kan even went so far as to set up office at TEPCO and essentially tell the CEO what to do.

So it looks like Kan has reversed himself here, which I take to mean that the radiation levels really are harmful to people near the plant.

Well, you have the core, but to me what is scary is the pool where they keep new and used rods. Even used they are highly radioactive and plant #1 has 20 years of storage. The pool is where #4 caught fire.

202 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:57:42pm

Registration has now closed.

203 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:58:01pm

@ MSNBC 6 mins ago:

FUKUSHIMA, Japan — Workers at a quake-damaged atomic power plant suspended operations and evacuated Wednesday after a surge in radiation made it too dangerous to remain there, dealing a setback to Japan’s frantic efforts to stem a nuclear crisis.
“All the workers there have suspended their operations. We have urged them to evacuate, and they have,” Japan’s chief cabinet secretary, Yukio Edano said, according to a translation by NHK television.
Edano said that a surge in radiation Wednesday meant workers were unable to continue even minimal efforts at the stricken nuclear plant.

204 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:58:15pm

re: #202 Charles

Registration has now closed.

Any interesting non-socks come in?

205 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:59:06pm

re: #203 Ojoe


Edano said that a surge in radiation Wednesday meant workers were unable to continue even minimal efforts at the stricken nuclear plant.


Shit.

206 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:59:37pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

We’re downwind.

207 freetoken  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:00:07pm

re: #206 Ojoe

We’re downwind.

… by thousands of miles…

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:00:17pm

re: #203 Ojoe

Holy fuck!

209 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:00:54pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

The Russians kept at it during Chernobyl & some of them died.

210 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:01:20pm

So who’s on shift tonight to tell us things aren’t as bad as they sound?

211 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:01:27pm

Say your prayers.

BB tomorrow.

212 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:01:27pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Anti-ship missiles are normally unable to attack land targets. Their radar has trouble with the ground clutter.

DF, see this image of 704

213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:01:30pm

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

Oh! I always love reading the “List O’ Nics”.

That’d be a good St Patty’s tradition.

214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:02:24pm

re: #206 Ojoe

We’re downwind.

Think I’ll go outside and smoke. Screw it.

215 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:02:32pm

re: #168 researchok

Yeah, I know.

But I can dream.

The talk about the jet pilot and your comment about dreaming reminded me of one of my favorite videos, so I created a page for it:

littlegreenfootballs.com

216 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:02:41pm

Videos of Navy’s Request and Subsequent Boarding of the “Victoria”

The following videos show the IDF Navy requesting from the crew of the “Victoria” cargo ship to stop as it was found to be carrying weapons and weaponry directives which, according to assessments, would be used to arm terror organizations operating in the Gaza Strip.

217 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:03:11pm

re: #206 Ojoe

We’re downwind.

This is not good at all.

One must ask:

Who the hell builds nuke plants immediately west of an active offshore subduction zone?

Damn damn damn.

This is hell in a bucket.

218 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:03:35pm

there is not enough heat in the rods to start a ‘meltdown’…the reactors have been abandon and will cool on their own…it’s been predicted that zero radiation will reach the US, and that stuff will burn itself out pretty fast…that’s the story I believe at this point…no worries

219 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:03:45pm

re: #215 CuriousLurker

The talk about the jet pilot and your comment about dreaming reminded me of one of my favorite videos, so I created a page for it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Video won’t load!

220 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:03:46pm

re: #211 Ojoe

Say your prayers.

BB tomorrow.

Say your prayers for the people of Japan.
And that this disaster gets cleaned up, as simply, quickly and easily as it can.
With a minimal loss of life and health.
Amen

221 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:03:55pm

re: #217 austin_blue

This is not good at all.

One must ask:

Who the hell builds nuke plants immediately west of an active offshore subduction zone?

Damn damn damn.

This is hell in a bucket.

You were all sunshine and tulips last night. What happened?

222 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:05:20pm

re: #221 JasonA

I’m evil this way…

Youtube Video
223 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:05:21pm

re: #219 researchok

Video won’t load!

Hmmm, it works fine for me. Here’s the original link:

Youtube Video
224 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:05:30pm

re: #206 Ojoe

We’re downwind.

Eh, by that standard everyone in the world is downwind. Then again, that was the premise of “On The Beach”… :eek;

225 freetoken  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:05:31pm

re: #210 JasonA

Well, I do think we have to accurately assess the risk. If one is not near the plant the risk is essentially zero.

There were radiation surges yesterday too… but as I wrote upstream Kan didn’t want the workers to give up. Somebody must have convinced him that once the dosage rate gets in the milliseivert/hr range that humans can’t remain there for extended periods.

This whole “seivert” unit is very confusing, btw.

226 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:05:51pm

re: #212 researchok

DF, see this image of 704

That matches other photos I’ve seen of that missile. I wonder if Iran planned to send a radar in a separate shipment?

227 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:05:54pm

re: #207 freetoken

… by thousands of miles…

I’m not too worried personally. If there’s a catastrophic event I might seal off my rain barrels for fresh drinking water. I’m more worried about the situation as a whole. Evacuating workers means this might get out of control.

228 BishopX  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:06:59pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Df, thanks for all the help, I’m just trying to understand why Iran would be shipping these things to Hamas. It seems a like using it is a little outside of their capabilities. Two more follow up question:

1) Wikipedia talks about later versions of the 704 being designed for general air to surface use. Does this mean that essentially the only thing preventing the missile from engaging land targets is the targeting system?

2) It’s not possible to turn it into a dumb missile? By disabling the seeking function?

If I’m bugging you, feel free to ignore me.

229 engineer cat  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:07:00pm

dinner under control at 11.3 millisieverts

230 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:08:26pm

re: #218 albusteve

there is not enough heat in the rods to start a ‘meltdown’…the reactors have been abandon and will cool on their own…it’s been predicted that zero radiation will reach the US, and that stuff will burn itself out pretty fast…that’s the story I believe at this point…no worries

Not necessarily. The rods *create their own heat*. That’s their job. A nuclear reactor is, by definition, operating at a critical mass for fission. Without cooling water circulating or control rods, the fuel *will* melt. Without water to cool them…

231 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:08:26pm

re: #225 freetoken

Well, I do think we have to accurately assess the risk. If one is not near the plant the risk is essentially zero.

Well sure, in the immediate danger sense. The real worry is for the long term, I think.

232 BishopX  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:08:32pm

re: #216 researchok

Interestingly enough the crew of the ship didn’t seem to know they were hauling weapons.

233 freetoken  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:09:02pm

re: #229 engineer dog

A few weeks ago I got a hankering for some Brazil nuts, so bought a 1lb bag at TraderJoe’s. Each nut is loaded with radioactive elements, as well as much more than the RDA for selenium. One night I at so many that I almost gave myself Se poisoning.

234 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:09:24pm

re: #228 BishopX

Df, thanks for all the help, I’m just trying to understand why Iran would be shipping these things to Hamas. It seems a like using it is a little outside of their capabilities. Two more follow up question:

1) Wikipedia talks about later versions of the 704 being designed for general air to surface use. Does this mean that essentially the only thing preventing the missile from engaging land targets is the targeting system?

2) It’s not possible to turn it into a dumb missile? By disabling the seeking function?

If I’m bugging you, feel free to ignore me.

that would be hugely cost ineffective….Gaza has a long coastline, and it’s possible to pick off an Israeli ship, but to what end?…they are all crazy

235 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:09:31pm

re: #223 CuriousLurker

Hmmm, it works fine for me. Here’s the original link:

[Video]

Interesting…

It’s a good video. Lot’[s there.

236 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:09:54pm

shannynmoore Shannyn Moore

I’m pretty sure 2011 has been brought to us by the letter “F” and the number “U”. #fok

237 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:10:51pm

re: #232 BishopX

Interestingly enough the crew of the ship didn’t seem to know they were hauling weapons.

Crews rarely know what they are hauling. They don’t want to know.

238 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:11:12pm

re: #230 austin_blue

Not necessarily. The rods *create their own heat*. That’s their job. A nuclear reactor is, by definition, operating at a critical mass for fission. Without cooling water circulating or control rods, the fuel *will* melt. Without water to cool them…

melt into a pool of harmless blob, unable to burn through hardened steel then concrete all the way to China or anywhere else…wait and see

239 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:11:33pm

With nobody there, how can cooling efforts continue? No more water on the reactors or the pools?

240 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:12:14pm

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

That matches other photos I’ve seen of that missile. I wonder if Iran planned to send a radar in a separate shipment?

Radar might already be there.

Or with Hizbollah in Lebanon, shipped overland by truck through Syria.

241 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:12:20pm

re: #239 rightwingconspirator

With nobody there, how can cooling efforts continue? No more water on the reactors or the pools?

correct…last chance to place a bet

242 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:12:56pm

re: #217 austin_blue

This is not good at all.

One must ask:

Who the hell builds nuke plants immediately west of an active offshore subduction zone?

Damn damn damn.

This is hell in a bucket.

The Earthquake wasn’t as much a problem as the tsunami. They simply did not expect a 9.0 quake followed by such a massive wall of water.

243 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:14:07pm

re: #221 JasonA

You were all sunshine and tulips last night. What happened?

I wasn’t. I was just annoyed at people pointing at this crisis and saying that Nuyke plants are intrinsically unsafe. They aren’t. I have already apologized to McSpiff, upthread. I was an asshole.

These are 2nd Gen reactors, like Three Mile Island. They are much more vulnerable to meltdown. Newer Gens, not so much at all.

This is damn serious. Any of those cores could go Glowing Gopher at any time.

244 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:14:49pm

re: #233 freetoken

A few weeks ago I got a hankering for some Brazil nuts, so bought a 1lb bag at TraderJoe’s. Each nut is loaded with radioactive elements, as well as much more than the RDA for selenium. One night I at so many that I almost gave myself Se poisoning.

Oh, you scamp!

245 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:15:01pm

Much like the BP Gulf oil leak if we listen to the play by plays of the current disaster unfolding at Fukushima we will hear some disturbing news from time to time. The radiation levels are fluctuating by the minute and by the hour going up and down.

246 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:15:03pm

re: #239 rightwingconspirator

With nobody there, how can cooling efforts continue? No more water on the reactors or the pools?

Nobody there to push the right button or turn the right knob if need be. Probably not an ideal situation.

247 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:16:19pm

re: #243 austin_blue

I wasn’t. I was just annoyed at people pointing at this crisis and saying that Nuyke plants are intrinsically unsafe. They aren’t. I have already apologized to McSpiff, upthread. I was an asshole.

These are 2nd Gen reactors, like Three Mile Island. They are much more vulnerable to meltdown. Newer Gens, not so much at all.

This is damn serious. Any of those cores could go Glowing Gopher at any time.

Sorry man. That maybe came off a little rougher than intended. Here, have a bro hug.

{Austin}

248 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:16:24pm

re: #245 Gus 802

Much like the BP Gulf oil leak if we listen to the play by plays of the current disaster unfolding at Fukushima we will hear some disturbing news from time to time. The radiation levels are fluctuating by the minute and by the hour going up and down.

Right now, too much forest, too many trees.

249 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:17:28pm

re: #217 austin_blue

This is not good at all.

One must ask:

Who the hell builds nuke plants immediately west of an active offshore subduction zone?

Damn damn damn.

This is hell in a bucket.

Who would do that? Any humans might do that, imo.

Are these reactors much safer just because they are strike-slip?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_Canyon_Power_Plant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Onofre_Nuclear_Generating_Station

And to pimp my somewhat relevant page again. :D

250 freetoken  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:17:40pm

Some are bailing:

Blackstone, BMW Moving Japan Staff on Radiation Fears

Workers at Blackstone Group LP (BX), Continental AG (CON) and Bayerische Motoren Werke AG (BMW) are leaving Japan as the government battles to cool nuclear reactors damaged by last week’s record earthquake.

Blackstone, the world’s largest private equity firm, closed its Tokyo office for a week and offered the 28 employees there to relocate to another place of their choice with their families on a temporary basis, a person with knowledge of the matter said. Most of the staff accepted the offer, the person said.

[…]

251 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:17:43pm

re: #228 BishopX

Df, thanks for all the help, I’m just trying to understand why Iran would be shipping these things to Hamas. It seems a like using it is a little outside of their capabilities. Two more follow up question:

1) Wikipedia talks about later versions of the 704 being designed for general air to surface use. Does this mean that essentially the only thing preventing the missile from engaging land targets is the targeting system?

2) It’s not possible to turn it into a dumb missile? By disabling the seeking function?

If I’m bugging you, feel free to ignore me.

1. Actually, given that, it could use alternative guidance systems. Using TV guidance, an operator could use it to attack ground targets. So a precision attack on a key building might be possible.

2. No, that’s not possible. The C-704 flies a low-altitude attack profile, unlike the ballistic pattern of the BM-21 Grad. It needs to be guided, and unless its using infrared, both it and its controller will have active emissions.

252 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:17:43pm

re: #248 researchok

Right now, too much forest, too many trees.

Too many journalists and too much hysteria.

253 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:17:49pm

re: #247 JasonA

Sorry man. That maybe came off a little rougher than intended. Here, have a bro hug.

{Austin}

Bromance!

Awkward!

254 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:18:39pm

Me thinks the click counter for the pages is busted. My page about the dogs has 2 tweets, 6 comments and I’ve refreshed it a few times checking but only one click is counted. That’s unpossible.

255 justaminute  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:18:42pm

On MSNBC this gentleman reported that some of the 50 that agreed to stay behind had already lost their family in the tsunami.

256 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:18:57pm

Gotta go. Sweet dreams!

257 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:19:00pm

re: #249 prononymous

Strike-slip faults are a couple of orders of magnitude less energetic than subduction zones. That doesn’t mean they can’t make huge quakes, but they tend not to be as powerful as subduction zones.

258 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:19:19pm

re: #252 Gus 802

Too many journalists and too much hysteria.

And too many ‘experts’ talking to a population who haven’t a clue how nuclear reactors really work (read: the rest of us).

259 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:20:06pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

1. Actually, given that, it could use alternative guidance systems. Using TV guidance, an operator could use it to attack ground targets. So a precision attack on a key building might be possible.

2. No, that’s not possible. The C-704 flies a low-altitude attack profile, unlike the ballistic pattern of the BM-21 Grad. It needs to be guided, and unless its using infrared, both it and its controller will have active emissions.

it’s view impaired…line of sight to the horizon and therefore extremely vulnerable

260 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:21:56pm

I’m kinda tired tonight, so I’m outta here. You guys don’t let anything else interesting happen until tomorrow morning, okay? Take care, everyone.

261 BishopX  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:22:09pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

Thanks!

262 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:22:17pm

re: #260 CuriousLurker

I’m kinda tired tonight, so I’m outta here. You guys don’t let anything else interesting happen until tomorrow morning, okay? Take care, everyone.

chap 2?

263 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:22:20pm

re: #260 CuriousLurker

I’m kinda tired tonight, so I’m outta here. You guys don’t let anything else interesting happen until tomorrow morning, okay? Take care, everyone.

Par-tay!

(We just won’t tell her, ‘kay?)

264 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:22:29pm

re: #258 researchok

And too many ‘experts’ talking to a population who haven’t a clue how nuclear reactors really work (read: the rest of us).

Apparently Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano also made a mistake in releasing some information. Overstated some radiation release information.

265 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:22:30pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

To me it means it’s all over but the consequences. As in nothing more to be done. Anderson Cooper is not buying it, that it’s not the 50 or 60 key technicians. His expert literally had a jaw drop moment.

266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:23:09pm

Don’t know about you guys, but I can barely breathe. Never met any folks over there. Never been over there.

But, I can barely breathe thinking about the folks of Japan.

267 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:23:12pm

re: #253 austin_blue

Bromance!

Awkward!

It gives me a woody. TMI?

268 CuriousLurker  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:23:23pm

re: #262 researchok

chap 2?

Sure. I’m beat, I could use a good read. :)

269 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:23:38pm

re: #264 Gus 802

Apparently Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano also made a mistake in releasing some information. Overstated some radiation release information.

I’d like to her from a guy who actually worked in a reactor, not an academic or political type.

270 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:24:02pm

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don’t know about you guys, but I can barely breathe. Never met any folks over there. Never been over there.

But, I can barely breathe thinking about the folks of Japan.

wax on
wax off
repeat

271 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:24:06pm

re: #268 CuriousLurker

Sure. I’m beat, I could use a good read. :)

manana then.

needs to be written

272 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:25:14pm

TheBradBlog Brad Friedman

RT @HirokoTabuchi: Contrary to some reports, a core group of workers remain at the Fukushima Daiichi plant. It is not abandoned.

273 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:25:37pm

re: #259 albusteve

it’s view impaired…line of sight to the horizon and therefore extremely vulnerable

The problem is that is has a small radar cross-section (most missiles its size are harder to see on radar than a Piper Cub) and thus is hard to detect if its using TV or IR guidance. Radar would be somewhat easier owing to the active emissions from the missile and its search-and-track radar station.

274 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:25:39pm

re: #260 CuriousLurker

I’m kinda tired tonight, so I’m outta here. You guys don’t let anything else interesting happen until tomorrow morning, okay? Take care, everyone.

Sleep a deep and restfull sleep.
Awake, refreshed.

275 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:26:21pm

re: #263 EmmmieG

Cupcakes, spiked?
LOL!

276 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:26:26pm

re: #274 Floral Giraffe

Sleep a deep and restfull sleep.
Awake, refreshed.

Or, CL can stay up and watch Hidalgo on AMC.

277 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:27:26pm

re: #257 Fozzie Bear

Strike-slip faults are a couple of orders of magnitude less energetic than subduction zones. That doesn’t mean they can’t make huge quakes, but they tend not to be as powerful as subduction zones.

Right. But if the Wikipedia article is correct and the Diablo Canyon plant is designed to withstand a 7.5 quake, do you think that is sufficient?

278 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:27:32pm

Some information on what is happening.

bravenewclimate.com

279 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:29:18pm

re: #277 prononymous

Right. But if the Wikipedia article is correct and the Diablo Canyon plant is designed to withstand a 7.5 quake, do you think that is sufficient?

Considering whre it is located and known faults, probably. I’d be happier if we built important stuff like that to take an 8.5. and for god’s sake put the backup above any conceivable tsunami level.

280 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:29:26pm

Crap. I’m sitting here and all of the sudden it’s like the floor went from under me. Some fat ass below me manages to make my floor shake and go boom… from below. That’s how much we’ve progressed? Kids these days are fucking idiots. And this is gall damned concrete floor to boot.

281 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:29:38pm

re: #279 mracb

PIMF

282 justaminute  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:30:01pm

Now, they say they only had to leave for 45 min and went back in. Then in the next breath talk about abandoning the plant. They are giving me a serious headache.

283 engineer cat  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:30:12pm

and as the world watches anxiously, the freepers are assuring each other that everything is fine except for the liberal scare tactics

A fire which broke out early Wednesday at a quake-hit Japanese nuclear power plant is under control, the government said.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com …

This may not be good news for the anti-nuke people wishing for death and disaster in order to advance their agenda.

284 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:30:26pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that is has a small radar cross-section (most missiles its size are harder to see on radar than a Piper Cub) and thus is hard to detect if its using TV or IR guidance. Radar would be somewhat easier owing to the active emissions from the missile and its search-and-track radar station.

I’m assuming the thing is radar guided and maybe even wire guided capable…after launch, within seconds a wall of lead can be put out there as a barrier, no way to stop it otherwise, Phalanx and 50’s etc….but the launcher is dead….of course I’m talking battle stations, all guns manned and ready

285 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:30:37pm

re: #280 Gus 802

Crap. I’m sitting here and all of the sudden it’s like the floor went from under me. Some fat ass below me manages to make my floor shake and go boom… from below. That’s how much we’ve progressed? Kids these days are fucking idiots. And this is gall damned concrete floor to boot.

It was bound to happen sooner or later.

You have started to sound like your father.
/

286 researchok  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:31:44pm

Manana folks.

287 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:33:14pm

re: #280 Gus 802

Crap. I’m sitting here and all of the sudden it’s like the floor went from under me. Some fat ass below me manages to make my floor shake and go boom… from below. That’s how much we’ve progressed? Kids these days are fucking idiots. And this is gall damned concrete floor to boot.

DANG kids, these days!

288 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:34:56pm

re: #284 albusteve

I’m assuming the thing is radar guided and maybe even wire guided capable…after launch, within seconds a wall of lead can be put out there as a barrier, no way to stop it otherwise, Phalanx and 50’s etc…but the launcher is dead…of course I’m talking battle stations, all guns manned and ready

The other way to stop it with active defenses is with SAMs launched from the targeted ship or other warships (though cruise missiles can be shot down by aircraft (that part of Under Siege and 24 was correct)). Sometimes, decoys and jammers can be used also. This particular type of missile normally cannot be fooled by chaff.

289 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:35:03pm

re: #287 Floral Giraffe

DANG kids, these days!

They’re weird. They were supposed to be out all day spreading the word of LDS but once again they sat in their apartment doing whatever it is that they do. Bunch of slackers. They don’t even ride bikes anymore.

290 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:35:16pm

re: #280 Gus 802

Crap. I’m sitting here and all of the sudden it’s like the floor went from under me. Some fat ass below me manages to make my floor shake and go boom… from below. That’s how much we’ve progressed? Kids these days are fucking idiots. And this is gall damned concrete floor to boot.

Kidzilla

291 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:36:25pm

Anderson Cooper is giving one heck of a run down…
His expert Jim Walsh from MIT is very sharp.

292 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:36:25pm

re: #289 Gus 802

They’re weird. They were supposed to be out all day spreading the word of LDS but once again they sat in their apartment doing whatever it is that they do. Bunch of slackers. They don’t even ride bikes anymore.

You can always contact their mission president. If they’re home all day, they aren’t doing what they are supposed to.

293 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:36:49pm

re: #289 Gus 802

They’re weird. They were supposed to be out all day spreading the word of LDS but once again they sat in their apartment doing whatever it is that they do. Bunch of slackers. They don’t even ride bikes anymore.

Wait…is it every day or once a week?

294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:37:06pm

re: #286 researchok

Manana folks.

Do Dooo do do do…

295 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:37:28pm

From Kyodo News

There is “white smoke” (meaning vapors) billowing from the area of what appears to be building #4, when filmed (live now) from 36 km away, in a helicopter.

It is not clear what it is. Sometimes there is steam from air conditioners and what not, but not to this extent - this is a problem.

The suspicion on the news is that it is steam or smoke from the pool at #4. The radiation there, from the used fuel in the pool, is high enough to not be able to approach it and see for certain. The white smoke is currently blowing out to SEA.

Speculation is that the water in the pool is boiling, possibly with exposed fuel rods (no way to tell yet). 2 days ago the temperature was measured at 84C (it is usually 40C). But now, probably boiling.

It is desperately needed to cool the pool. Schemes for putting water in it are being considered but it’s hard to do because of the radiation and the fact that the hole in the roof does NOT line up with the pool.

296 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:37:36pm

re: #293 EmmmieG

Wait…is it every day or once a week?

Just about every day. They finally started going out for most of the day but that lasted about a week or two. Now they’re back to slacking.

297 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:38:58pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Just about every day. They finally started going out for most of the day but that lasted about a week or two. Now they’re back to slacking.

Mmm. Once a week is their day off. They’re slackers.

298 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:39:13pm

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

The other way to stop it with active defenses is with SAMs launched from the targeted ship or other warships (though cruise missiles can be shot down by aircraft (that part of Under Siege and 24 was correct)). Sometimes, decoys and jammers can be used also. This particular type of missile normally cannot be fooled by chaff.

maybe but I doubt active defense…this little Chinese thing probably really scoots and down low too, as you pointed out, on you before you could bring SAMs or any hand held defense to bear…lead, lots of lead out there

299 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:41:01pm

re: #297 EmmmieG

Mmm. Once a week is their day off. They’re slackers.

Yep. Wednesdays. The girls were much better. But the boys can be annoying. I’ve been through the wrestling, stereo, the back shaving out on the deck, one guy once bought a TV and put it out on the deck and watched it under a blanket, etc. But the boys tend to stomp around a lot which is annoying.

300 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:42:12pm

JTheIslander Jalal Aljazeeri
by acarvin

I don’t know if any of my international followers can do anything, but hell is breaking loose in Bahrain right now!

301 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:47:17pm

re: #300 Stanley Sea

JTheIslander Jalal Aljazeeri
by acarvin

I don’t know if any of my international followers can do anything, but hell is breaking loose in Bahrain right now!

the Saudis invaded yesterday, 1000 troops and riot police…nice, shiny clean new colony

302 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:48:53pm

re: #301 albusteve

the Saudis invaded yesterday, 1000 troops and riot police…nice, shiny clean new colony

And plenty of boots to step on any ugly cockroaches that try to find the light…

303 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:49:06pm

re: #298 albusteve

maybe but I doubt active defense…this little Chinese thing probably really scoots and down low too, as you pointed out, on you before you could bring SAMs or any hand held defense to bear…lead, lots of lead out there

Likely right. Though our amphibious landing ships now use the Rolling Airframe Missile, which is quick enough off the blocks to hit it. Best chance is to keep AWACS planes aloft to spot its radar. Once the spotter radar turns on, the launch site can be attacked with your own cruise missiles or aircraft. Also, if you spot the launch from far enough away you have better chance of a layered defense.

304 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:49:11pm

And now in Japan a big snowstorm. As if they had not taken enough hits already. Those poor people.

305 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:49:43pm

(ok, missed the // before hitting enter)

306 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:50:55pm

re: #302 wlewisiii

And plenty of boots to step on any ugly cockroaches that try to find the light…

Not sure they’d find light. Too many of them would coddle up to Iran if given the choice, which sadly is why they cannot be allowed to choose. The threat to our oil supply that would pose would be unacceptable, to both the US and the Saudis.

307 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:51:06pm

Damage to number 3 (left) and number 4 (right) ?

Image: fuku_dam6fkx.png

308 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:52:58pm

Don’t forget that reactor 5 and reactor 6 are heating up as well.

309 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:53:18pm

re: #279 mracb

Considering whre it is located and known faults, probably. I’d be happier if we built important stuff like that to take an 8.5. and for god’s sake put the backup above any conceivable tsunami level.

There have been earthquakes along these faults greater than 7.5 in recorded history. Granted the plant isn’t exactly right on the fault. But my point is how do you prepare for the worst if you can’t be absolutely sure what the worst might be? The entire ring of fire region is geologically active and there are plenty of technologies that could be deployed that aren’t at risk from earthquakes, much less a risk to people because of earthquakes.

I really am not advocating shutting down Cali plants, nor do I want people to be scared about their safety. That would be useless alarmism. But I would like to see them upgrade those plants with any new safety technologies that might be available and for extremely stringent inspections to be implemented. The plant may have been designed for 7.5, but that is assuming that it was constructed properly and maintained properly. Diablo Canyon, for example, is run by Pacific Gas & Electric. The goals of most companies is to earn more income and spend less. Some of them have been known to sacrifice inspections and maintenance, even to the point of ignoring safety warnings (this also comes to mind), for the goal of spending less. IMO, all such plants should be under extremely strict, random, inspections.

310 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:54:15pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Likely right. Though our amphibious landing ships now use the Rolling Airframe Missile, which is quick enough off the blocks to hit it. Best chance is to keep AWACS planes aloft to spot its radar. Once the spotter radar turns on, the launch site can be attacked with your own cruise missiles or aircraft. Also, if you spot the launch from far enough away you have better chance of a layered defense.

and all in a few short seconds…this little missile only has a range of 25-35 km

311 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:55:18pm
312 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:56:45pm

re: #306 Dark_Falcon

Not sure they’d find light. Too many of them would coddle up to Iran if given the choice, which sadly is why they cannot be allowed to choose. The threat to our oil supply that would pose would be unacceptable, to both the US and the Saudis.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but when I read shit like that, I’m like wha? They need to get out from under their repressive governments, regardless of whatever the fuck our end goals are.

313 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:57:12pm

re: #310 albusteve

and all in a few short seconds…this little missile only has a range of 25-35 km

Very true. And it can cover that distance in about 2 minutes.

I love this blog. There are few places where I can discuss this sort of thing. Thanks, Steve.

314 abolitionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:58:51pm

re: #218 albusteve

there is not enough heat in the rods to start a ‘meltdown’…the reactors have been abandon and will cool on their own…it’s been predicted that zero radiation will reach the US, and that stuff will burn itself out pretty fast…that’s the story I believe at this point…no worries

See here please (and scroll down) allthingsnuclear.org
Figure 2 shows the typical rate at which heat from a shut-down reactor core boils away water when the cooling systems are not functioning. The vertical axis shows the boil-off rate in gallons per minute. The horizontal axis shows the time, in days, since the reactor was shut down. Even a week after being shut down, the heat from a reactor core boils water at a rate of nearly 60 gallons per minute. The boil-off rate declines with time while the rate of radioactive release decreases.

Graph is indicated to be typical; assuming a boil-off rate at shutdown is ~90gal/min, it takes a week for that to decline to 60, and nearly a month to decline to 40.

This may help you to appreciate why accumulations of spent fuel rods have to be kept submerged in pools. I fear Bad Things are about to happen.

315 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:59:24pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

Very true. And it can cover that distance in about 2 minutes.

I love this blog. There are few places where I can discuss this sort of thing. Thanks, Steve.

same here

316 engineer cat  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:59:35pm

breaking

NHK reporting quake with preliminary magnitude of 6.0 hits east Japan - Reuters

317 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:00:02pm

re: #312 Stanley Sea

Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but when I read shit like that, I’m like wha? They need to get out from under their repressive governments, regardless of whatever the fuck our end goals are.

It’s not a matter of ‘end goals’, its a matter of immediate needs. We cannot afford to lose our fleet base and have Iran gain a foothold. If that means acting hypocritically and surrendering the moral high ground, then that’s what we must do. We cannot lose Bahrain, and that’s just that.

318 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:00:09pm

re: #309 prononymous

There have been earthquakes along these faults greater than 7.5 in recorded history. Granted the plant isn’t exactly right on the fault. But my point is how do you prepare for the worst if you can’t be absolutely sure what the worst might be? The entire ring of fire region is geologically active and there are plenty of technologies that could be deployed that aren’t at risk from earthquakes, much less a risk to people because of earthquakes.

…

I think the quake intensity at the Fukushima plant was down around a 7.0 level due to it’s distance from the source.

Yeah, I’m familiar with PG&E. That can be worrisome.

319 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:00:23pm

re: #306 Dark_Falcon

Not sure they’d find light. Too many of them would coddle up to Iran if given the choice, which sadly is why they cannot be allowed to choose. The threat to our oil supply that would pose would be unacceptable, to both the US and the Saudis.

The House of Saud remains a bigger danger to America, long term (and yeah, “I believe”) than anything long term in Iran, Now the short term is a mega-bitch and there we have the problem of two regimes that are equally dangerous to our nation. If there was justice in the universe, the 82nd Airborne would have deployed to Riyadh on October 17, 1973.

320 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:02:06pm

re: #319 wlewisiii

The House of Saud remains a bigger danger to America, long term (and yeah, “I believe”) than anything long term in Iran, Now the short term is a mega-bitch and there we have the problem of two regimes that are equally dangerous to our nation. If there was justice in the universe, the 82nd Airborne would have deployed to Riyadh on October 17, 1973.

yup, well said

321 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:02:40pm

re: #319 wlewisiii

The House of Saud remains a bigger danger to America, long term (and yeah, “I believe”) than anything long term in Iran, Now the short term is a mega-bitch and there we have the problem of two regimes that are equally dangerous to our nation. If there was justice in the universe, the 82nd Airborne would have deployed to Riyadh on October 17, 1973.

Quite Concur.

322 freetoken  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:03:16pm

re: #316 engineer dog

Not on the map yet:

earthquake.usgs.gov

Lots of squares on that map…. the one earlier today was down in Shizuoka, right on a fault line.

323 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:04:21pm

re: #318 mracb

We have been quite lucky so far in Southern Calif. Both the 1971 and 1994 quakes were pre-dawn, so most folks were safe in their beds. But engineering to just a 7.5 simply ignores the probability that a much larger quake, in the upper 7 range, may happen at any time.

324 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:05:04pm

re: #317 Dark_Falcon

It’s not a matter of ‘end goals’, its a matter of immediate needs. We cannot afford to lose our fleet base and have Iran gain a foothold. If that means acting hypocritically and surrendering the moral high ground, then that’s what we must do. We cannot lose Bahrain, and that’s just that.

BTW, I don’t like us having let the Saudis crush protesters. But our need for oil leaves us with no choice, as I see it.

325 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:06:21pm

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

BTW, I don’t like us having let the Saudis crush protesters. But our need for oil leaves us with no choice, as I see it.

emoodz Mohammed AlMaskati
by acarvin

Friends around #lulu confirm large presence of army vehicles, 4 army choppers in the sky.. God help us all.. #bahrain

326 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:08:16pm

Forgive my ignorance, but is Bahrain one of the places where every one born there gets a government oil profit allowance?

327 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:09:58pm

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

BTW, I don’t like us having let the Saudis crush protesters. But our need for oil leaves us with no choice, as I see it.

Oh, we have choices. They are not necessarily pretty one, but they exist.

That said, we’d be better off with the a certain nation of Shia as our baseline in the region than with the House of Saud. Unfortunately 1953 pretty much killed that possibility of sanity.

328 freetoken  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:10:13pm

re: #326 daddylawbucks

It’s not oil rich.

It is, however, in a strategic location and serves an important role in Gulf security.

329 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:10:43pm

GOP Mocks nuclear safety concerns

At least they are consistent in their moranity.

330 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:10:48pm

Sitting here thinking about the dude fired as the AFLAC duck.

One of my friend’s husbands works for AFLAC. She told me that they’re big in Japan.

Obviously, they couldn’t ignore it.

331 justaminute  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:10:51pm

In Iran,Tuesday throughout the country there was mass demonstrations. Today this is a weird holiday that they jump over fire on the last week of the year. It depends on the moon but usually March 21, the first day of Spring, is their New Years day. So far 366 have been arrested and 2 have been killed and 37 are in the hospital.

332 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:11:42pm

khokhz Khulood
by acarvin

People at the roundabout are in a state of panic. NO WARNING issued to anyone there yet #Bahrain #Feb14 #Lulu #HELP

not good when there’s a twitter hashmark #HELP

These are some brave brave young people.

333 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:12:08pm

re: #329 BigPapa

GOP Mocks nuclear safety concerns

At least they are consistent in their moranity.

The corporate masters must be served.

334 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:13:07pm

BreakingNews Breaking News

Update: Workers allowed back in to damaged nuclear plant after radiation levels fall - Reuters

335 albusteve  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:13:08pm

my buttons are glowing green

336 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:13:53pm

re: #330 EmmmieG

Sitting here thinking about the dude fired as the AFLAC duck.

One of my friend’s husbands works for AFLAC. She told me that they’re big in Japan.

Obviously, they couldn’t ignore it.

They were bad jokes. I totally get it. But. He is who he is. Nothing surprising about it. You should his post-9/11 jokes…

337 freetoken  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:14:30pm

re: #334 Stanley Sea

Did Reuters tell you that the Japanese gov’t changed the regs/rules to up the limits for radiation exposure to workers?

Because that is what they did Wednesday.

338 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:15:42pm

re: #331 justaminute

In Iran,Tuesday throughout the country there was mass demonstrations. Today this is a weird holiday that they jump over fire on the last week of the year. It depends on the moon but usually March 21, the first day of Spring, is their New Years day. So far 366 have been arrested and 2 have been killed and 37 are in the hospital.

It is interesting that protests and this holiday came together. Of course the major component is simply that the people desire freedom from oppression. But I also wonder if a small part of it has anything to do with the tension between Zoroastrianism and Islam in Iran?

339 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:15:55pm

BBL.

340 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:15:56pm

re: #336 JasonA

They were bad jokes. I totally get it. But. He is who he is. Nothing surprising about it. You should his post-9/11 jokes…

He told them on 9-12. That’s Gilbert, you get what you pay for.

341 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:16:37pm

Sitting here looking at pictures of cars and boats and buildings and having two thoughts:

1. I’m getting used to it.

2. That’s some kind of engineering. The two-story building survived a 7.9 earthquake, a tsunami, and having a large boat sitting on it.

342 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:16:57pm

While frustrated at lack of action against Gaddafi (I did sent a message to Obama through the White House site), I found this. It makes me feel better.

optionsninja.com

343 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:17:41pm

al_shabib alshabib
by acarvin

And this is what the gov of #Bahrain does to make moderates like me turn into extremists #FAIL

344 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:18:14pm

re: #330 EmmmieG

Sitting here thinking about the dude fired as the AFLAC duck.

One of my friend’s husbands works for AFLAC. She told me that they’re big in Japan.

Obviously, they couldn’t ignore it.

Although, apparently, the Japanese AFLAC duck is voiced by someone else, and has a different personality.

345 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:19:28pm

re: #336 JasonA

They were bad jokes. I totally get it. But. He is who he is. Nothing surprising about it. You should his post-9/11 jokes…

Which leads to the question of why a major insurance company would hire someone known for crude and inappropriate humor to be the voice of their spokesduck.

346 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:21:01pm

re: #327 wlewisiii

Oh, we have choices. They are not necessarily pretty one, but they exist.

That said, we’d be better off with the a certain nation of Shia as our baseline in the region than with the House of Saud. Unfortunately 1953 pretty much killed that possibility of sanity.

Well, there’s something to that, though Mossadegh’s nationalizing Iran’s oil and making overtures to the Soviet union means he has to bear a good bit of the blame for what happened. And even then, the US being hated in Iran was not inevitable. Had the Shah not pushed too hard, too fast, he might well have succeeded in modernizing Iran.

347 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:21:05pm

re: #337 freetoken

Did Reuters tell you that the Japanese gov’t changed the regs/rules to up the limits for radiation exposure to workers?

Because that is what they did Wednesday.

Interesting. According to the documentary I watched the other day, officials did that same thing at Chernobyl.

348 Kragar  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:21:17pm

re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist

Which leads to the question of why a major insurance company would hire someone known for crude and inappropriate humor to be the voice of their spokesduck.

How hard can it be to find a guy with an irritating voice yell one word and loop it into a commercial?

349 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:21:25pm

Hulu kind of sucks now. As usual. Everytime they turn these sites into pay sites they go sucky.

350 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:21:55pm

New Puppy is asleep

How is everyone?

351 freetoken  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:21:58pm

re: #347 BigPapa

Interesting. According to the documentary I watched the other day, officials did that same thing at Chernobyl.

“It’s a dead Parrot.”

352 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:22:44pm

re: #169 ProLifeLiberal

IT’SA PUPPY!!!

Okay, I’m normal again. I lose intelligence the closer I am to animals.

Cuteness Proximity

Yes, that would be me.

353 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:22:59pm

re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist

Although, apparently, the Japanese AFLAC duck is voiced by someone else, and has a different personality.

The Japanese duck is more a supportive coach, rather than having the brashness of the US duck. Both represent their respective cultures.

354 freetoken  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:23:15pm

Would it be too cynical of me to believe the House of Saud is in Bahrain for our benefit?

355 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:23:22pm

re: #349 Gus 802

Hulu kind of sucks now. As usual. Everytime they turn these sites into pay sites they go sucky.

Damn capitalists… let’s hit the streets and take Hulu back for the people.

356 HoosierHoops  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:24:00pm

re: #350 ggt

New Puppy is asleep

How is everyone?

Winston is sleeping on my lap.. The world’s most spoiled dog

357 Kragar  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:24:07pm

re: #347 BigPapa

Interesting. According to the documentary I watched the other day, officials did that same thing at Chernobyl.

Probably a slight difference in reasoning between “How do we limit health problems among the workers” and “How do we avoid irradiating half the country”.

358 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:24:16pm

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

Damn capitalists… let’s hit the streets and take Hulu back for the people.

You said it man! Let’s start by burning down my own house first! Of course. We’ll need some beer for this you know.

359 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:24:19pm

re: #351 freetoken

“It’s a dead Parrot.”

No, its just pining for the fjords.

360 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:24:52pm

re: #354 freetoken

Would it be too cynical of me to believe the House of Saud is in Bahrain for our benefit?

Nope, you wouldn’t.

361 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:25:45pm

re: #359 Dark_Falcon

No, its just pining for the fjords.

Slartiblartfast’s fjords?

362 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:26:12pm

re: #357 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Either way, those guys working at the damaged plant now are genuine heroes in my book

363 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:26:27pm

ba7rainiDXB Mohammed Rasool

There are unarmed civilians of both sexes and all ages at #lulu #Bahrain

364 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:26:53pm

re: #362 daddylawbucks

Either way, those guys working at the damaged plant now are genuine heroes in my book

Quite Concur.

365 justaminute  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:27:29pm

re: #338 prononymous

It is interesting that protests and this holiday came together. Of course the major component is simply that the people desire freedom from oppression. But I also wonder if a small part of it has anything to do with the tension between Zoroastrianism and Islam in Iran?

This has always been celebrated and does have to do with Zorastrianism. There are Iranians that are starting to blame Arabs for bring Islam to Iran. They say they should have stayed with Zorastrianism. It just makes me chuckle. My children always did blame some one else when they got into trouble when they were younger. I know now where they got it.

366 freetoken  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:27:33pm

BoJ keeps pumping billions and billions of dollars (equivalent) into Japan’s banking system. Around 330 billion dollars so far, more or less.

367 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:29:25pm

re: #356 HoosierHoops

Winston is sleeping on my lap.. The world’s most spoiled dog

I’d love for the puppy to be asleep on my lap, but I over cuddled the last one and he didn’t grow-up to be a cuddle dog. I’d like to see if I tone it down with the pup, if he’ll cuddle when he is older.

368 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:30:12pm

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

Japan Pulls Workers From Troubled Nuclear Plant After Radiation Surge

foxnews.com

Just an interesting question… shouldn’t they stay? Should the company or the government send additional workers into the plant area, no matter what the consequences are?

At this point, is the possible lost of life further out from the “ground zero” of the site possibly large enough to warrant literal sacrificing of a few for the good of many.

Honest question.

369 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:30:46pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Well, there’s something to that, though Mossadegh’s nationalizing Iran’s oil and making overtures to the Soviet union means he has to bear a good bit of the blame for what happened. And even then, the US being hated in Iran was not inevitable. Had the Shah not pushed too hard, too fast, he might well have succeeded in modernizing Iran.

I’m personally not sure that he could have kept a lid on it, though perhaps an early abdication and real reform by his heir couldn’t have given us anything worse. Major mess from Mossadegh on to the present. Gee thanks, Winston!!!

370 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:31:31pm

re: #368 Walter L. Newton

Japan Pulls Workers From Troubled Nuclear Plant After Radiation Surge

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Just an interesting question… shouldn’t they stay? Should the company or the government send additional workers into the plant area, no matter what the consequences are?

At this point, is the possible lost of life further out from the “ground zero” of the site possibly large enough to warrant literal sacrificing of a few for the good of many.

Honest question.

Tough question. I’d say yes, but I’d let those workers make the choice.

371 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:32:15pm

Have we heard even one story of looting?

(I realize you could make the point that there’s nothing to loot. Still.)

372 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:33:29pm

re: #371 EmmmieG

Surprisingly enough, there was almost no looting in Los Angeles after the big earthquakes here in 1971 and 1994

373 RadicalModerate  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:34:03pm

Normally, I support most of the Obama Administration’s proposals, but there’s a few times that they really miss the mark. This one’s actually got me a bit pissed off.

White House wants new copyright law crackdown

The White House today proposed sweeping revisions to U.S. copyright law, including making “illegal streaming” of audio or video a federal felony and allowing FBI agents to wiretap suspected infringers.

The term “fair use” does not appear anywhere in the report. But it does mention Web sites like The Pirate Bay, which is hosted in Sweden, when warning that “foreign-based and foreign-controlled Web sites and Web services raise particular concerns for U.S. enforcement efforts.” (See previous coverage of a congressional hearing on overseas sites.)

The usual copyright hawks, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, applauded the paper, which grew out of a so-called joint strategic plan that Vice President Biden and Espinel announced in June 2010.

Needless to say, the Electronic Frontier Foundation is going to be absolutely livid over this proposal.
The wording on this thing is such that using services like YouTube can get you a federal wiretap, and having a SlingBox (which allows you to remotely view TV programming via live streaming) could possibly get you being arrested for a federal crime.

374 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:34:05pm

re: #372 daddylawbucks

Surprisingly enough, there was almost no looting in Los Angeles after the big earthquakes here in 1971 and 1994

Earthquakes must be different —everyone worried about after shocks…

375 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:36:32pm

re: #373 RadicalModerate

Normally, I support most of the Obama Administration’s proposals, but there’s a few times that they really miss the mark. This one’s actually got me a bit pissed off.

White House wants new copyright law crackdown

Needless to say, the Electronic Frontier Foundation is going to be absolutely livid over this proposal.
The wording on this thing is such that using services like YouTube can get you a federal wiretap, and having a SlingBox (which allows you to remotely view TV programming via live streaming) could possibly get you being arrested for a federal crime.

How do you suggest that people with real concerns about their intellectual properties deal with illegal use of their material?

376 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:38:14pm

re: #373 RadicalModerate

Steal this book!

377 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:40:14pm

re: #374 ggt

Well, earthquakes are terrifying, and in all fairness, in 1994, the National Guard was deployed. They built tent cities for tens of thousands of people in parks. And there is nothing to make you obey better than some kid who looks too young to shave directing traffic while carrying a loaded M-16.

378 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:40:40pm

re: #376 Killgore Trout

BTW, if BBC and Channel 4 would allow me to pay for their fucking garden and cooking shows I wouldn’t steal them from torrents.

379 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:44:37pm

re: #375 Walter L. Newton

How do you suggest that people with real concerns about their intellectual properties deal with illegal use of their material?

Yeah, I gotta agree with KT on this one.

I will buy, legally, what is made available for a reasonable price.

Otherwise I will go without, but it reminds me of my experience yesterday, and remember, my span of attention isn’t all that long.

I’m standing in the department store, looking at a mannequin wearing a shirt my daughter really wanted. It’s the last one in the store (we thought). It’s my daughter’s size. The store clerk can’t take it off and sell it to me because she’s not trained to take the stupid shirt off.

I want to buy it. I will pay the asking price. It’s the last one in the store, so it’s not like they need to keep advertising it. What is wrong here?

I wanted itunes before itunes existed. Lots of us figured out that itunes was the way to go.

380 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:46:37pm

re: #379 EmmmieG

I wanted itunes before itunes existed. Lots of us figured out that itunes was the way to go.

Well, I’d argue that Amazon mp3 or something similar is the way to go. Not a proprietary format that can only be used on Apple’s mp3 players.

381 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:46:41pm

re: #379 EmmmieG

Yeah, I gotta agree with KT on this one.

I will buy, legally, what is made available for a reasonable price.

Otherwise I will go without, but it reminds me of my experience yesterday, and remember, my span of attention isn’t all that long.

I’m standing in the department store, looking at a mannequin wearing a shirt my daughter really wanted. It’s the last one in the store (we thought). It’s my daughter’s size. The store clerk can’t take it off and sell it to me because she’s not trained to take the stupid shirt off.

I want to buy it. I will pay the asking price. It’s the last one in the store, so it’s not like they need to keep advertising it. What is wrong here?

I wanted itunes before itunes existed. Lots of us figured out that itunes was the way to go.

You agree with KT. He said he steals what he can’t pay for, what is not available for sale to him, he says he steals it. You want to steal the shirt?

382 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:46:59pm

re: #375 Walter L. Newton

How do you suggest that people with real concerns about their intellectual properties deal with illegal use of their material?

Well, they could start by not hiring “Guido” & “Luigi” to use “broken bones” as ways to show the the righteousness of their cause? Perhaps abjure Sony Bono’s Mickey Mouse bit of unconstitutional law? Perhaps try to convince people that their IP has real world value like I have to do when I try to sell a silver halide based photographic print to a client in a digicrap world?

I’ve yet to see any IP that wasn’t well served by the old copyright law, Wally. Have you?

383 freetoken  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:47:22pm

re: #379 EmmmieG


I wanted itunes before itunes existed. Lots of us figured out that itunes was the way to go.

Yup.

TV broadcasters are afraid of the iTunes model because they realize that if customers can simply buy a la carte then the broadcasters can’t package the advertisement with it… and ultimately even the mindless youth will realize that the reason TV is mostly junk-programming is to keep the audience glued on their buts just long enough to watch a commercial.

384 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:47:27pm

re: #379 EmmmieG

Yeah, I gotta agree with KT on this one.

I will buy, legally, what is made available for a reasonable price.

Otherwise I will go without, but it reminds me of my experience yesterday, and remember, my span of attention isn’t all that long.

I’m standing in the department store, looking at a mannequin wearing a shirt my daughter really wanted. It’s the last one in the store (we thought). It’s my daughter’s size. The store clerk can’t take it off and sell it to me because she’s not trained to take the stupid shirt off.

I want to buy it. I will pay the asking price. It’s the last one in the store, so it’s not like they need to keep advertising it. What is wrong here?

I wanted itunes before itunes existed. Lots of us figured out that itunes was the way to go.

What’s wrong:
Lack of training in HOW TO MAKE A SALE!!!!

I’ve had similar experiences. I’ve even said to the salesperson: I am sitting here with cash in hand, ready to hand it over to your store - your employer’s store - whatever - in order to buy that thing. And because you can’t figure out how to get that sale made, for whatever reason, AND because you can’t figure out how to go ask for help, I’m going to walk out of here with my cash that could be YOURS RIGHT NOW.

AND THEY DON’T CARE.

385 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:48:32pm

re: #379 EmmmieG


I wanted itunes before itunes existed. Lots of us figured out that itunes was the way to go.

Amen.

386 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:48:45pm

re: #373 RadicalModerate

Normally, I support most of the Obama Administration’s proposals, but there’s a few times that they really miss the mark. This one’s actually got me a bit pissed off.

White House wants new copyright law crackdown

Needless to say, the Electronic Frontier Foundation is going to be absolutely livid over this proposal.
The wording on this thing is such that using services like YouTube can get you a federal wiretap, and having a SlingBox (which allows you to remotely view TV programming via live streaming) could possibly get you being arrested for a federal crime.

Wiretap? I would hope that that would be only for big players. But you know. Big brother never abuses the law. //

Guess we have to build more prisons. Like I’ve said before. Sooner or later we’re going to reach a point in the USA where everyone will have been to prison for something or another in the not so distant future.

387 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:49:14pm

re: #384 reine.de.tout

What’s wrong:
Lack of training in HOW TO MAKE A SALE!!!

I’ve had similar experiences. I’ve even said to the salesperson: I am sitting here with cash in hand, ready to hand it over to your store - your employer’s store - whatever - in order to buy that thing. And because you can’t figure out how to get that sale made, for whatever reason, AND because you can’t figure out how to go ask for help, I’m going to walk out of here with my cash that could be YOURS RIGHT NOW.

AND THEY DON’T CARE.

Well no. It can’t be theirs. It can be their employers. Big difference there.

Of course, you could condemn their work ethic and I would concede the point. :)

388 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:49:15pm

re: #381 Walter L. Newton

You agree with KT. He said he steals what he can’t pay for, what is not available for sale to him, he says he steals it. You want to steal the shirt?

I won’t steal it. I was frustrated in the years before itunes (or other downloadable paying sights, pace) because I had no legal way to get the songs I wanted.

Make stuff easily legally available, and persecute those who steal.

I’ll watch the dumb adds on the legal streaming places, because I figure that’s the payment for the service.

389 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:50:20pm

re: #382 wlewisiii

Well, they could start by not hiring “Guido” & “Luigi” to use “broken bones” as ways to show the the righteousness of their cause? Perhaps abjure Sony Bono’s Mickey Mouse bit of unconstitutional law? Perhaps try to convince people that their IP has real world value like I have to do when I try to sell a silver halide based photographic print to a client in a digicrap world?

I’ve yet to see any IP that wasn’t well served by the old copyright law, Wally. Have you?

This is usually the stance taken by people who have no intellectual property to be stolen from them This is the stance usually taken by people who want what they want, and know nothing of how it is to spends weeks, months and maybe years on a project, something written, something filmed, something produced, only to find it being offered, either free or for purchase, illegally, on the internet.

I have NO problem with the government and other legal entities making sure that YOU don’t steal what is rightfully mine.

Tough shit, sherlock.

390 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:50:36pm

re: #387 JasonA

Well no. It can’t be theirs. It can be their employers. Big difference there.

Of course, you could condemn their work ethic and I would concede the point. :)

Well, I figure if the store records show them making sales, that’s good for their continued employment. And if the store records show that they are NOT making sales, that’s not good for their continued employment. So I figure they have an incentive (or should) either way.

391 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:51:24pm

re: #388 EmmmieG

I won’t steal it. I was frustrated in the years before itunes (or other downloadable paying sights, pace) because I had no legal way to get the songs I wanted.

Make stuff easily legally available, and persecute those who steal.

I’ll watch the dumb adds on the legal streaming places, because I figure that’s the payment for the service.

Well, I’d be all for prosecuting those who steal.
I’m not sure I would want to persecute anybody.

392 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:51:59pm

re: #384 reine.de.tout

What’s wrong:
Lack of training in HOW TO MAKE A SALE!!!

I’ve had similar experiences. I’ve even said to the salesperson: I am sitting here with cash in hand, ready to hand it over to your store - your employer’s store - whatever - in order to buy that thing. And because you can’t figure out how to get that sale made, for whatever reason, AND because you can’t figure out how to go ask for help, I’m going to walk out of here with my cash that could be YOURS RIGHT NOW.

AND THEY DON’T CARE.

End of the story—

As I am confirming that the only person allowed to take the shirt off the mannequin is coming in the next day, I glanced over and saw a shirt that might be the same one. (We had been through the Juniors section earlier that week looking for the shirt, and I had just happened to come back in for something that day.)

I turned it around. Oh joy! It was. Right size.

I got a thank you. No hug. She’s a no-hugger.

But she has her cute owl-with-a-fedora shirt now.

393 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:52:30pm

re: #390 reine.de.tout

Well, I figure if the store records show them making sales, that’s good for their continued employment. And if the store records show that they are NOT making sales, that’s not good for their continued employment. So I figure they have an incentive (or should) either way.

It all depends on what you’re buying. If you walk into a Radioshack and want an iPod, and just an iPod without any accessories whatsoever, it’s actually better for their numbers to not sell it to you.

394 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:52:53pm

re: #391 reine.de.tout

Well, I’d be all for prosecuting those who steal.
I’m not sure I would want to persecute anybody.

Oops. Thanks.

I should also add that I got a thank you from my daughter. I didn’t want a hug from the employee.

395 tnguitarist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:53:21pm

I have to agree with Walter. I never used Napster. I’ve never used any of the bit torrent sites. I pay for the music/etc. that I want. I use itunes for almost everything. That and Netflix.

396 RadicalModerate  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:54:10pm

re: #375 Walter L. Newton

How do you suggest that people with real concerns about their intellectual properties deal with illegal use of their material?

I support the protection of intellectual property, where rights-holders are fairly compensated for their work. In cases of individuals mass-retransmitting or reselling media of some else’s copyrighted works for profit, I agree that civil and criminal remedies should be pursued as necessary.

However, I am also a strong proponent of fair use principles - including the ability to play music or video on the device of my choice. This proposal takes those choices away, and gives the feds the right to tap into my computer (or other digital devices) if they think I’m infringing. The draconian extortion measures that the MPAA and RIAA have tried to implement (ie multi-million dollar “fines” against people who might have downloaded a song or two-of which the actual artists don’t see a dime of) have been found to be excessive, and in a few cases actually illegal by several courts.

397 tnguitarist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:54:55pm

re: #393 JasonA

It all depends on what you’re buying. If you walk into a Radioshack and want an iPod, and just an iPod without any accessories whatsoever, it’s actually better for their numbers to not sell it to you.

Truth. I work retail. There is hardly any markup on these devices. Same goes with game systems.

398 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:54:59pm

re: #393 JasonA

It all depends on what you’re buying. If you walk into a Radioshack and want an iPod, and just an iPod without any accessories whatsoever, it’s actually better for their numbers to not sell it to you.

Then they shouldn’t carry ipods and pretend like they want to sell them.
Which is sorta one reason why I don’t do a lot of business with Radioshack, like virtually zero - they have stuff I can use or want or need, but it’s too damned hard to get anybody to help you.


re: #394 EmmmieG

Oops. Thanks.

I should also add that I got a thank you from my daughter. I didn’t want a hug from the employee.

heh. I figured it out.

399 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:55:03pm

Well. The reality is that this law or whatever you want to call it won’t even make a dent on copyright infringement. It’s just political window dressing. The reason they’re doing it isn’t for little old you and me. They’re doing it for the big music and publishing houses. And the punchline is this. It won’t do a damn thing for anything coming from China.

400 freetoken  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:56:04pm

re: #399 Gus 802

Or Russia, or the Bolivarian nations, or Nigeria, or…

401 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:56:15pm

Question: I’m a Showtime subscriber. I was back when Dexter first aired. Paying them money to watch their programming. Now, I didn’t actually get into the show until the second season started. Watched a couple of episodes and said “Damn, I have to get in on this.” Now let’s say I hypothetically downloaded the first season off of Limewire. Is that ethically wrong?

402 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:57:09pm

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

This is usually the stance taken by people who have no intellectual property to be stolen from them This is the stance usually taken by people who want what they want, and know nothing of how it is to spends weeks, months and maybe years on a project, something written, something filmed, something produced, only to find it being offered, either free or for purchase, illegally, on the internet.

I have NO problem with the government and other legal entities making sure that YOU don’t steal what is rightfully mine.

Tough shit, sherlock.

The phrase you usually use is “Yawn”. Guess this got under your skin.

But like most fascists you love big gov when it steals for you.

I have IP. 30+ years of it. More negs than your words, I’d bet. Deal with it.

403 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:57:12pm

re: #400 freetoken

Or Russia, or the Bolivarian nations, or Nigeria, or…

Yeah. It’s a joke. Felony! lol Won’t stop the real copyright infringers and the USA won’t give China too much a hard time considering because we never do.

404 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:57:15pm

re: #401 JasonA

Question: I’m a Showtime subscriber. I was back when Dexter first aired. Paying them money to watch their programming. Now, I didn’t actually get into the show until the second season started. Watched a couple of episodes and said “Damn, I have to get in on this.” Now let’s say I hypothetically downloaded the first season off of Limewire. Is that ethically wrong?

I’m assuming Limewire is a pirate site. If not, disregard what I’m about to say.

Yes.

405 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:57:18pm

re: #398 reine.de.tout

If you want a Radioshack employee to help you, no matter what it is you really want, just stand by the cell phone table. An associate will be with you shortly…

406 RadicalModerate  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:58:31pm

re: #401 JasonA

Question: I’m a Showtime subscriber. I was back when Dexter first aired. Paying them money to watch their programming. Now, I didn’t actually get into the show until the second season started. Watched a couple of episodes and said “Damn, I have to get in on this.” Now let’s say I hypothetically downloaded the first season off of Limewire. Is that ethically wrong?

According to the industry, you’re supposed to either wait for a rebroadcast of the show, or rent/buy the DVD/BluRays. Otherwise, you’re stealing from them.

407 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:58:36pm

re: #398 reine.de.tout

Then they shouldn’t carry ipods and pretend like they want to sell them.
Which is sorta one reason why I don’t do a lot of business with Radioshack, like virtually zero - they have stuff I can use or want or need, but it’s too damned hard to get anybody to help you.

And the thing is, if they give me a LOT of help right now, I will go back later when I do want the accessories or whatever. But if they don’t help me now, I’m going to buy my accessories somewhere else.

In the matter of salespeople like EmmieG ran into, who can’t figure out how to get the sale made - that’s most often a fault of the store, which fails do to any sort of proper training of their employees, just tosses them out on the floor and says, “GO”. Terrible thing to do to your employees.

408 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:59:08pm

re: #396 RadicalModerate

I support the protection of intellectual property, where rights-holders are fairly compensated for their work. In cases of individuals mass-retransmitting or reselling media of some else’s copyrighted works for profit, I agree that civil and criminal remedies should be pursued as necessary.

However, I am also a strong proponent of fair use principles - including the ability to play music or video on the device of my choice. This proposal takes those choices away, and gives the feds the right to tap into my computer (or other digital devices) if they think I’m infringing. The draconian extortion measures that the MPAA and RIAA have tried to implement (ie multi-million dollar “fines” against people who might have downloaded a song or two-of which the actual artists don’t see a dime of) have been found to be excessive, and in a few cases actually illegal by several courts.

If a piece of media is offered for sale on a certain device, in a format that only runs on a certain device, and the company selling it to you has all the intellectual property rights to sell it to you, IN THAT FORMAT, and only in that format, then you have a choice of either buying it and playing it on that device, or not purchasing it.

And it’s not your job to decide if YOU like the contracts and agreements that the artist makes with the distributors, the producers, the other professionals involved in the stream that is related to the production of media. That’s the artists decisions, no one forces them to do anything.

So, you are going to infringe on the intellectual property rights of artists and writers and actors and producers because YOU don’t like the contractual arrangements that have been made?

Bullshit.

409 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:59:43pm

China, China, China.

The DOJ announcement is meaningless.

410 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:00:12pm

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

This is usually the stance taken by people who have no intellectual property to be stolen from them This is the stance usually taken by people who want what they want, and know nothing of how it is to spends weeks, months and maybe years on a project, something written, something filmed, something produced, only to find it being offered, either free or for purchase, illegally, on the internet.

I have NO problem with the government and other legal entities making sure that YOU don’t steal what is rightfully mine.

Tough shit, sherlock.

I make my living with digital intellectual property and I think the notion of having a slingbox be a federal offense is lunacy.

411 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:00:36pm

re: #408 Walter L. Newton

If a piece of media is offered for sale on a certain device, in a format that only runs on a certain device, and the company selling it to you has all the intellectual property rights to sell it to you, IN THAT FORMAT, and only in that format, then you have a choice of either buying it and playing it on that device, or not purchasing it.

And it’s not your job to decide if YOU like the contracts and agreements that the artist makes with the distributors, the producers, the other professionals involved in the stream that is related to the production of media. That’s the artists decisions, no one forces them to do anything.

So, you are going to infringe on the intellectual property rights of artists and writers and actors and producers because YOU don’t like the contractual arrangements that have been made?

Bullshit.

you’re ignoring fair use

412 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:01:51pm

re: #408 Walter L. Newton

If a piece of media is offered for sale on a certain device, in a format that only runs on a certain device, and the company selling it to you has all the intellectual property rights to sell it to you, IN THAT FORMAT, and only in that format, then you have a choice of either buying it and playing it on that device, or not purchasing it.

And it’s not your job to decide if YOU like the contracts and agreements that the artist makes with the distributors, the producers, the other professionals involved in the stream that is related to the production of media. That’s the artists decisions, no one forces them to do anything.

So, you are going to infringe on the intellectual property rights of artists and writers and actors and producers because YOU don’t like the contractual arrangements that have been made?

Bullshit.

backups are fair use: w2.eff.org

413 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:02:16pm

re: #411 WindUpBird

you’re ignoring fair use

Wally doesn’t believe in it, I’d guess, based on his posts here.

414 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:02:16pm

re: #402 wlewisiii

The phrase you usually use is “Yawn”. Guess this got under your skin.

But like most fascists you love big gov when it steals for you.

I have IP. 30+ years of it. More negs than your words, I’d bet. Deal with it.

Hey, if your purpose is to get under my skin, please, don’t flatter yourself, I’m not that easily bothered by childish self-serving machinations. I gave you my opinion about how I feel about intellectual property.

If you have intellectual property that you have no problem with being stolen, not my deal, not my problem, go for it. Enjoy.

415 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:02:54pm

re: #413 wlewisiii

Wally doesn’t believe in it, I’d guess, based on his posts here.


well, it’s settled law, so whatever lol

416 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:04:01pm

re: #410 WindUpBird

I make my living with digital intellectual property and I think the notion of having a slingbox be a federal offense is lunacy.

Slingbox was never mentioned in that Cnet article… someone is extrapolating.

417 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:05:13pm

re: #413 wlewisiii

Wally doesn’t believe in it, I’d guess, based on his posts here.

I have no problem with fair use. There are already laws covering fair use. I don’t think the Cnet article was dealing with fair use… it was dealing with streaming content, full content, illegally.

418 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:06:25pm

re: #412 WindUpBird

backups are fair use: [Link: w2.eff.org…]

Where did I say anything negative about fair use or back ups? Are you reading a different blog?

419 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:07:46pm

re: #413 wlewisiii

Wally doesn’t believe in it, I’d guess, based on his posts here.

Simple question. Do you see anything wrong with downloading full feature length movies on a torrent?

420 RadicalModerate  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:08:15pm

re: #416 Walter L. Newton

Slingbox was never mentioned in that Cnet article… someone is extrapolating.

Slingbox uses streaming video technology to rebroadcast programming. The wording of this proposal makes no mention of “fair use”. Cable and broadcast TV interest groups are not by any means fans of the technology (since they don’t get money out of it).

421 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:08:41pm

Ok, puppy and the rest of the house are asleep.

How is everyone, NOW?

422 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:08:46pm

re: #416 Walter L. Newton

Slingbox was never mentioned in that Cnet article… someone is extrapolating.

Well, they’re talking about “illegal streaming” What does that mean? That certainly would include a slingbox if the EULA of whatever you’re watching that you theorectically agreed to forbade restreaming the content, since that’s what the thing does, same with a Tivo, DVR, etc

423 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:08:55pm

re: #420 RadicalModerate

Slingbox uses streaming video technology to rebroadcast programming. The wording of this proposal makes no mention of “fair use”. Cable and broadcast TV interest groups are not by any means fans of the technology (since they don’t get money out of it).

There is already fair use laws… this article was not dealing with fair use…

424 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:09:30pm

re: #418 Walter L. Newton

Where did I say anything negative about fair use or back ups? Are you reading a different blog?

You seem opposed to some parts of fair use as they stand, that being format switching if I understood you correctly

425 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:10:09pm

re: #377 daddylawbucks

Well, earthquakes are terrifying, and in all fairness, in 1994, the National Guard was deployed. They built tent cities for tens of thousands of people in parks. And there is nothing to make you obey better than some kid who looks too young to shave directing traffic while carrying a loaded M-16.

Yeah, I noticed that while visiting the Pentagon a while back. And I didn’t even notice the rifle until later.

They have a way about them, those soldiers!

426 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:11:31pm

re: #422 WindUpBird

Well, they’re talking about “illegal streaming” What does that mean? That certainly would include a slingbox if the EULA of whatever you’re watching that you theorectically agreed to forbade restreaming the content, since that’s what the thing does, same with a Tivo, DVR, etc

Evidently these products already exist, if there was some problem with these products, the issue would have been taken up by the content providers already, some of this technology has been around quite a while now.

And as I said above, fair use laws already exist.

The Cnet article, and the proposals it was discussing was in regards to illegal use of content. Period.

427 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:11:55pm

re: #417 Walter L. Newton

I have no problem with fair use. There are already laws covering fair use. I don’t think the Cnet article was dealing with fair use… it was dealing with streaming content, full content, illegally.

If we’re talking about torrenting a movie, then sure. But that’s not even streaming for most people. That’s download a gigantic file that you run with Div-X. Streaming is hit one button and it starts up immediately. I’m sure I’ve violated this a thousand times over with all the B-movie scenes I’ve viewed in youtube over the years

428 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:12:49pm

G’nite.

Play fair.

429 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:13:22pm

re: #428 EmmmieG

G’nite.

Play fair.

But I haven’t had my minimum daily protein requirement!

//

430 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:13:25pm

re: #424 WindUpBird

You seem opposed to some parts of fair use as they stand, that being format switching if I understood you correctly

I said a company has the right to offer content in a format that only runs on their own products. I never suggested that you don’t have the fair use right to convert that to another format for your personal use.

You are changing the subject. And I’m not playing with you.

431 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:14:01pm

re: #427 WindUpBird

If we’re talking about torrenting a movie, then sure. But that’s not even streaming for most people. That’s download a gigantic file that you run with Div-X. Streaming is hit one button and it starts up immediately. I’m sure I’ve violated this a thousand times over with all the B-movie scenes I’ve viewed in youtube over the years

Yeah, this really would turn Youtube into the Tortuga of the internet, wouldn’t it?

432 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:16:10pm

re: #384 reine.de.tout

What’s wrong:
Lack of training in HOW TO MAKE A SALE!!!

I’ve had similar experiences. I’ve even said to the salesperson: I am sitting here with cash in hand, ready to hand it over to your store - your employer’s store - whatever - in order to buy that thing. And because you can’t figure out how to get that sale made, for whatever reason, AND because you can’t figure out how to go ask for help, I’m going to walk out of here with my cash that could be YOURS RIGHT NOW.

AND THEY DON’T CARE.

I am so fortunate that my first sales job was quota based —no sales, no job. I did well enough to move on to a job with commission.

Nothing makes you move product like wondering if your check is going to enough to cover the rent.

“yes, maam, I just have to get help to remove the garment. It’s a two person job.” Then I’d take the garment off the form. If anyone had a issue with it, I’d point out that it was the last one in the store and SHOULD have been switched long ago.

Nowadays, they’d just look at you with deer in the headlight stares. The Store Manger would understand, but no one else would.

Then they would complain about capitalism and corporations and demand a higher hourly wage… .

433 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:16:21pm

re: #427 WindUpBird

If we’re talking about torrenting a movie, then sure. But that’s not even streaming for most people. That’s download a gigantic file that you run with Div-X. Streaming is hit one button and it starts up immediately. I’m sure I’ve violated this a thousand times over with all the B-movie scenes I’ve viewed in youtube over the years

If YouTube is hosting intellectual property illegally, then yes, that’s a problem, period.

434 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:16:43pm

abcre: #430 Walter L. Newton

I said a company has the right to offer content in a format that only runs on their own products. I never suggested that you don’t have the fair use right to convert that to another format for your personal use.

You are changing the subject. And I’m not playing with you.

hey, if you don’t think it should be illegal for me to get around DRM for my own use, hey good times, we probably don’t actually disagree

435 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:16:55pm

re: #405 JasonA

If you want a Radioshack employee to help you, no matter what it is you really want, just stand by the cell phone table. An associate will be with you shortly…

Because on that they get commission. Pay someone for their sales, and they are motivated to sell.

436 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:18:11pm

Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall is pissed you’re stealing his shit
Image: hugh.jpg

437 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:18:31pm

re: #433 Walter L. Newton

If YouTube is hosting intellectual property illegally, then yes, that’s a problem, period.

it is!

my concern would be when some kid hits play on youtube or some lesser streaming site and then is AH HA! ARRESTED!!! because the article mentioned illegal streaming. it’s like arresting a guy for listening to the concert from the other side of the fence. it’s just not practical.

438 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:18:37pm

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

This is usually the stance taken by people who have no intellectual property to be stolen from them This is the stance usually taken by people who want what they want, and know nothing of how it is to spends weeks, months and maybe years on a project, something written, something filmed, something produced, only to find it being offered, either free or for purchase, illegally, on the internet.

I have NO problem with the government and other legal entities making sure that YOU don’t steal what is rightfully mine.

Tough shit, sherlock.

But you are the one that has to hire the lawyers to be your watchdog. The government doesn’t monitor what people “use” or “steal” and then you have to pay to prosecute.

STill, I agree with you. Intellectual Property is PROPERTY. If we give-up on property rights, IMHO, everything falls apart.

439 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:18:52pm

re: #419 Walter L. Newton

Simple question. Do you see anything wrong with downloading full feature length movies on a torrent?

Walter, it’s bed time here. That said, I’ll give you an honest answer before I go.

When a service operates within the price range that the free market has shown, we’re probably all on the same page.

When a service is slightly over the the market price, you simply find a small number of clients and a small number of pirates.

When a service is massively beyond what the market will bear then you see nearly no clients and a shit load of pirates.

When it’s needed, civil disobedience is as vital a tool for the revolutionary as any other.

Hope that helps, Wally.

440 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:19:14pm

re: #434 WindUpBird

abc

hey, if you don’t think it should be illegal for me to get around DRM for my own use, hey good times, we probably don’t actually disagree

No I don’t, and if you review anything I wrote above, I never suggested that. If I wasn’t clear on that, then I’m making it clear right now. You and I agree.

I have a lot of content that I legally paid for, that I have converted to other formats in order to be able to play that content on one device or another.

I don’t take any of that content, in any form and offer it to someone else.

441 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:19:56pm

re: #439 wlewisiii

Walter, it’s bed time here. That said, I’ll give you an honest answer before I go.

When a service operates within the price range that the free market has shown, we’re probably all on the same page.

When a service is slightly over the the market price, you simply find a small number of clients and a small number of pirates.

When a service is massively beyond what the market will bear then you see nearly no clients and a shit load of pirates.

When it’s needed, civil disobedience is as vital a tool for the revolutionary as any other.

Hope that helps, Wally.

Yawn.

442 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:20:10pm

re: #434 WindUpBird

abc

hey, if you don’t think it should be illegal for me to get around DRM for my own use, hey good times, we probably don’t actually disagree

for what its worth, I don’t have a big problem with that as long as you did in fact buy the content from its owner and don’t try to sell it.

443 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:20:35pm

Steal the goodness….

River Cottage Urban Smallholding (1 of 5) “Beginnings”

Youtube Video

Socialism!
444 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:20:37pm

re: #435 Dark_Falcon

Because on that they get commission. Pay someone for their sales, and they are motivated to sell.

Right. Cell phones. Not motivated to sell much else.

445 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:21:55pm

re: #432 ggt

I am so fortunate that my first sales job was quota based —no sales, no job. I did well enough to move on to a job with commission.

Nothing makes you move product like wondering if your check is going to enough to cover the rent.

“yes, maam, I just have to get help to remove the garment. It’s a two person job.” Then I’d take the garment off the form. If anyone had a issue with it, I’d point out that it was the last one in the store and SHOULD have been switched long ago.

Nowadays, they’d just look at you with deer in the headlight stares. The Store Manger would understand, but no one else would.

Then they would complain about capitalism and corporations and demand a higher hourly wage… .

To be fair, a lot of stores would rather have the dimwitted employee than the smart one. Some of the time, salespeople are uncooperative because bending the rules slightly will get them in trouble, and not making the sale won’t.

Stores that treat their employees better also tend to have better customer service.

446 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:21:58pm

re: #438 ggt

But you are the one that has to hire the lawyers to be your watchdog. The government doesn’t monitor what people “use” or “steal” and then you have to pay to prosecute.

STill, I agree with you. Intellectual Property is PROPERTY. If we give-up on property rights, IMHO, everything falls apart.

Ok… then I hope if someone robs you, you don’t have to rely on a “rent a cop” or a detective or finding some other means of having someone look into your robbery.

In the meantime, I go with the government to help me out, in the form of cops, the FBI and other government law enforcement agencies.

447 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:22:01pm

Whew. I tell ya. Sometimes the machismo runs thick in here.

448 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:22:50pm

re: #447 Gus 802

Whew. I tell ya. Sometimes the machismo runs thick in here.

How would you recognize it?

449 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:23:19pm

re: #446 Walter L. Newton

Ok… then I hope if someone robs you, you don’t have to rely on a “rent a cop” or a detective or finding some other means of having someone look into your robbery.

In the meantime, I go with the government to help me out, in the form of cops, the FBI and other government law enforcement agencies.

Somehow I don’t imagine the government is coming to my aid. The government is coming to the RIAA and the MPAA’s aid :)

I remember when the record industry tried to put the kibosh on blank tape sales, wheee

450 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:23:56pm

re: #448 Walter L. Newton

How would you recognize it?

I see the hall monitor is on duty.

451 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:24:43pm

re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist

To be fair, a lot of stores would rather have the dimwitted employee than the smart one. Some of the time, salespeople are uncooperative because bending the rules slightly will get them in trouble, and not making the sale won’t.

Stores that treat their employees better also tend to have better customer service.

Those that offer some sort of incentive, even if it’s “store bucks” or a chance to win a certain sweater, have better service.

452 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:24:48pm

re: #441 Walter L. Newton

Yawn.

Ah, only a couple of posts late. How precious. ;)

Have a nice night Wally.

453 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:26:00pm

re: #446 Walter L. Newton

Ok… then I hope if someone robs you, you don’t have to rely on a “rent a cop” or a detective or finding some other means of having someone look into your robbery.

In the meantime, I go with the government to help me out, in the form of cops, the FBI and other government law enforcement agencies.

and honestly, if someone were to steal my intellectual property, I would be getting the equivalent of a rent-a-cop for a civil case, which is a lawyer. Because what’s the police gonna do? “They’re hosting your game/art/music on a website? Oh shit, call Joe Friday!”

The lawyer at least knows where to start, which is to call the server company, which is whoops in Latvia, and I guess we’re back to square one.

454 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:26:02pm

Good night, all.

455 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:26:59pm

I hate this time change, it’s got me completely bumfuzzled, I’m an hour off all damned day long.

456 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:27:34pm

re: #446 Walter L. Newton

Ok… then I hope if someone robs you, you don’t have to rely on a “rent a cop” or a detective or finding some other means of having someone look into your robbery.

In the meantime, I go with the government to help me out, in the form of cops, the FBI and other government law enforcement agencies.

My point is that someone copy one of your plays, take your name off the script, (somehow) and produce in in commuity theatre in Florida and you’d never know.

To truly protect your rights, you have to have the ability to search for violations.

457 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:28:44pm

re: #455 reine.de.tout

I hate this time change, it’s got me completely bumfuzzled, I’m an hour off all damned day long.

Is that why everyone has been so pissy today?

458 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:29:13pm

re: #455 reine.de.tout

I hate this time change, it’s got me completely bumfuzzled, I’m an hour off all damned day long.

I’ve been sleeping later than usual. Although, I was snoring late this afternoon. I was never a fan of daylight savings time. Having it come in the middle of March just doesn’t make sense. It’s winter and it’s supposed to be dark early. That’s what I like about winter.

459 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:29:23pm

Here’s how this works… fair use… video trailer for “I never Promised You a Rose Garden”… newton.acrossthebow.com
Go ahead and stream it, copy it, distribute it, let the world know about the show and the script.

Here is where you can get a copy of the script, or purchase the rights to produce the show… shop.nextstagepress.net . Purchase the script and photocopy it, give the photocopy away to someone else, or purchase the rights to produce the play, but photocopy the scripts for the cast and crew, instead of purchasing copies for everyone, or produce the show just because you have the script, and not pay the royalties, that’s illegal.

Very simple. Do I need to hold anyones hand to explain this to them any clearer?

460 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:31:15pm

not quite off topic, bands don’t make money off record sales, they make money off merch and touring. So if you really want to support artists, they’ll see a ton more money from stuff you buy from their website than the itunes download or whatever

461 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:32:02pm

re: #460 WindUpBird

having said that, I BUY MY MUSIC, mostly from emusic these days because it’s so convenient and cheap it hurts

462 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:33:04pm

re: #460 WindUpBird

not quite off topic, bands don’t make money off record sales, they make money off merch and touring. So if you really want to support artists, they’ll see a ton more money from stuff you buy from their website than the itunes download or whatever

Paul, and Ringo and the Estates of John and George aren’t making money off sales? The Estate of Michael Jackson isn’t making money off sales?

463 RadicalModerate  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:34:46pm

Oh, good grief. Bryan Fischer, of the “American Family Association” hate group has weighed in on the Peter King dog-and-pony show from last week spewing bigotry as only he knows how:

(link is cached for your protection)
Muslims want to make White House a mosque, demolish Statue of Liberty

Over 80% of the mosques in America support the doctrines of jihad and promote the ultimate goal of Islamic rule over the United States.

In addition, according to the fusion center for the State of New York, 50 of the 88 people involved in Islamic terror plots against the U.S. since 9/11 have been U.S. citizens, with a majority of them having been born in the U.S.

If you doubt this, you need only visit the website Sharia4America to see an image of the White House converted into a mosque, and an image of the Statue of Liberty enshrouded in a burkha.

With regard to the White House, the website calls for it to be “converted into a flourishing mosque.”

The website calls on “sincere Muslims” to work for “the demolition of the Statue of Liberty,” and for it to be covered with “a large burkha” until it can be destroyed, to “shield…this horrendous eye sore from public view.”

Bottom line: no more mosques in America, period.


Fischer cites the “sharia4america” website as proof of this belief - unfortunately someone forgot to inform Fischer that this is a satire site, as evidenced by their “about us” link:

sharia4america.com

Hi and welcome to sharia4america.com

Contrary to that which you might be assuming, this website and its contributors are not suggesting that Sharia Law should be introduced in part, or in whole, in any form, into the Constitution Of The United States Of America.

The creators and contributors to sharia4america unconditionally oppose Sharia Law and its implementation. The laws of the United States, as envisioned by our Founding Fathers, are the only laws that should ever be applied.

464 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:34:56pm

re: #459 Walter L. Newton

Here’s how this works… fair use… video trailer for “I never Promised You a Rose Garden”… [Link: newton.acrossthebow.com…]
Go ahead and stream it, copy it, distribute it, let the world know about the show and the script.

Here is where you can get a copy of the script, or purchase the rights to produce the show… [Link: www.shop.nextstagepress.net…] . Purchase the script and photocopy it, give the photocopy away to someone else, or purchase the rights to produce the play, but photocopy the scripts for the cast and crew, instead of purchasing copies for everyone, or produce the show just because you have the script, and not pay the royalties, that’s illegal.

Very simple. Do I need to hold anyones hand to explain this to them any clearer?

I beg your pardon?

Along with the sunshine. there’s gotta be a little rain sometimes.

465 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:37:28pm

Cripes. Denver. I’ve never lived around so many alcoholics in my life.

466 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:38:13pm

Is that all 20 somethings do anymore? Don’t they read or have hobbies? Don’t they watch movies or even play games? All they do is get drunk every single night.

467 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:39:29pm

re: #463 RadicalModerate

Oh, good grief. Bryan Fischer, of the “American Family Association” hate group has weighed in on the Peter King dog-and-pony show from last week spewing bigotry as only he knows how:

(link is cached for your protection)
Muslims want to make White House a mosque, demolish Statue of Liberty


Fischer cites the “sharia4america” website as proof of this belief - unfortunately someone forgot to inform Fischer that this is a satire site, as evidenced by their “about us” link:

[Link: www.sharia4america.com…]

This reminds me of the people who discover the Landover Baptist Church site.

468 Gus  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:40:13pm

Image: 328-222APTOPIX_Japan_Earthquake.sff.standalone.prod_affiliate.81.jpg

Tsunami survivors cook and eat in front of their damaged house Tuesday, March 15, 2011 in Ishinomaki in Miyagi Prefecture (state) after the area was badly damaged by Friday’s massive earthquake and tsunami. (AP Photo/Kyodo News)

469 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:40:23pm

re: #463 RadicalModerate

Oh, good grief. Bryan Fischer, of the “American Family Association” hate group has weighed in on the Peter King dog-and-pony show from last week spewing bigotry as only he knows how:

(link is cached for your protection)
Muslims want to make White House a mosque, demolish Statue of Liberty


Fischer cites the “sharia4america” website as proof of this belief - unfortunately someone forgot to inform Fischer that this is a satire site, as evidenced by their “about us” link:

[Link: www.sharia4america.com…]

Also, assuming it was for real, how does one group of lunatics with a website lead to ‘no more mosques’?

470 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:42:12pm

re: #464 Mr Pancakes

I beg your pardon?

Along with the sunshine. there’s gotta be a little rain sometimes.

And yes… that was shameless self-promotion on my part. But it makes my point. And it’s really no different for playwrights then it is for musicians. I make barely nothing for a performance of the show. My share is about 15 dollars a performance.

The author of the original book, Joann Greenberg gets a cut of the performance royalty. The publisher gets a cut. I get what’s left.

There is only two ways for me to make a large amount of money off the script, ever. That’s if someone came along and wanted to do a “grand” production (major market production, like Broadway) or the script becomes so popular that every podunk community theatre and regional theatre in the country wanted to do the show at some time or another.

Otherwise, even though the script won awards, actually launched a now very successful theatre and had positive reviews locally and in Variety, I make very little money currently from the one or two productions that are mounted every so often.

So, bottom line, I don’t want to find the show illegally produced, or the script illegally distributed. I want to protect the little that is mine.

471 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:45:48pm

Relax Walter, it meant nothing more than my cheap reference to your title.


Lynn Anderson “I Never Promised You a Rose Garden”

Youtube Video
472 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 10:50:20pm

Here’s one for WUB

Loretta Lynn & Jack White “Portland, Oregon”

Youtube Video
473 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 15, 2011 11:04:16pm

“…if you’d like to jump headlong into the mosh pit.”

Youtube Video
474 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 12:46:07am

re: #473 Amory Blaine

I saw them! I was there to see the headliners, but they were good


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