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My post yesterday about House Republicans voting against reality prompted a reader in Salt Lake City to fire up Internet Explorer 9 and use our contact form to communicate his carefully considered opinions about my criticisms of GOP climate change denial. (Warning: profanities left intact to preserve the full aroma.)

At 9:37 am, about 4 minutes after landing on our front page, he found exactly the right words:

are you a fag? you look and sound like a fucking fag. do u like dick in mouth and up your fat ass? I believe you do. do u enjoy swallowing cum? bet you do. I think your gayness causes global warming.

And yet, as concise as that statement clearly was, he remained unsatisfied. There was more inside him, crying out to be shared.

Six minutes later another email arrived from the same person, with the obviously fake return address ‘sciencerules@aol.com’ and the title ‘climate change science’ (hey! he tricked me into reading it by flattering me! doh!), expanding on this critique:

nice to know morons like you believe in junk science motivated by political correctness and left wing agenda. climate change is real alright, but it’s cyclical, not man caused. and THAT, is true science you fucking tool. I suppose you believe we caused the first ice age too? and the ice then to melt as well? what a useful idiot you and your pathetic little site has become. thanx for destroying our economy, and our human rights. asshat loser.

Unfortunately, since he used fake email addresses I can’t enter into an exchange of opinions with this gentleman, perhaps to our mutual enlightenment; more’s the pity.

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486 comments
1 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:19:48pm

This one is definitely descended from a monkey, one generation removed in fact.

2 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:20:54pm

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel

This one is definitely descended from a monkey, one generation removed in fact.

Perhaps, in that case, his "human" rights are in no danger.

3 gatoratlaw  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:20:59pm

NO U

4 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:21:34pm

OK--That one is worth another trip to the tip jar.

5 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:22:29pm

re: #4 Decatur Deb

OK--That one is worth another trip to the tip jar.

Which will then pay for a trip.
Win-win!

6 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:22:56pm

I miss the old Islamist hatemail but the wingnuts with gay fantasies are still pretty good.

7 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:23:14pm

"I think your gayness causes global warming."

///This just in Charles you're officially flaming!

8 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:23:27pm

Evolution - don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

9 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:23:57pm

re: #8 Charles

Evolution - don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

*Throws feces in a tantrum*

10 BryanS  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:24:04pm

Though I disagree with you, Charles, on economic policy issues, it is baffling to me the level of ignorance many on the right have with respect to clear cut science FACT. The kind of vitriol evidenced by that email is alas too typical amongst those who blindly swallow political and religious dogma on the issues of evolution and global warming.

11 jaunte  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:24:26pm

The American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling. Of course, who knows what they get up to behind closed doors.

12 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:24:36pm

what is it with wingnuts that each time they attack they tend to focus on homosexual acts being done to the person they are attacking?

13 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:25:01pm

Oy Vey. Don't these folks know how to use a spell checker or even a grammar checker?

14 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:25:38pm

re: #11 jaunte

The American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling. Of course, who knows what they get up to behind closed doors.


All gay.

15 beartiger  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:26:17pm
climate change is real alright, but it’s cyclical, not man caused. and THAT, is true science you fucking tool. I suppose you believe we caused the first ice age too? and the ice then to melt as well? what a useful idiot you and your pathetic little site has become. thanx for destroying our economy, and our human rights. asshat loser

It always amazes me how incurious climate denialists are, how lazy and facile their arguments are. It's obvious they don't care enough about reality to learn the first things about the science they just know must be false, and yet they possess this boundless, arrogant confidence in their opinions. It's hard to know where to begin with such people, but here's a start understanding them:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

16 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:26:33pm

How can he use a computer and send emails after brain death?


ZOMBIE!1!!

17 BryanS  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:27:00pm

re: #12 Boyo

what is it with wingnuts that each time they attack they tend to focus on homosexual acts being done to the person they are attacking?

Because global warming has something to do with sex ?!?!?

18 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:27:52pm

re: #17 BryanS

Because global warming has something to do with sex ?!?!?

I think the kids call that Global Hottieness.

19 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:28:08pm

re: #17 BryanS

Because global warming has something to do with sex ?!?!?

Globular warming?

20 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:28:22pm

re: #17 BryanS

Because global warming has something to do with sex ?!?!?

Ive seen this line of attack before (Charles hate mail) on other topics not just agw

21 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:28:28pm

I suppose you believe we caused the first ice age too? and the ice then to melt as well?

how did you guess? of course, that's exactly what we believe

22 jaunte  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:29:04pm

re: #20 Boyo

I think it's the worst thing they can think of.

23 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:29:52pm

re: #10 BryanS

Though I disagree with you, Charles, on economic policy issues, it is baffling to me the level of ignorance many on the right have with respect to clear cut science FACT. The kind of vitriol evidenced by that email is alas too typical amongst those who blindly swallow political and religious dogma on the issues of evolution and global warming.

I was thinking about this earlier today while watching all the wingnuts advocating for more nuclear plants while the disaster plays out in Japan. I really think the core of the issue for wingnuts is money. Oil companies and nuclear energy companies have loads of money to exchange for political favors. Solar and wind providers, not so much.
You can make a great conservative case for developing solar power. If you have efficient panels on your roof you are independent and self sufficient. It has nothing to do with ideology. It's just an excuse to pander to the companies with deep pockets.

24 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:30:15pm

Been away a lot this week. Why are some comments coming up in (gay) colors?

25 Lidane  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:31:01pm

re: #22 jaunte

I think it's the worst thing they can think of.

As if it's some kind of insult to have somebody call you gay. Pfft.

I swear, these mental midgets operate at a middle-school level, both in their maturity and in their understanding of the world around them.

26 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:31:25pm

re: #24 Decatur Deb

Been away a lot this week. Why are some comments coming up in (gay) colors?

Wingnut Tag

[ wingnut] [ /wingnut]

Remove spaces.

27 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:31:33pm

re: #12 Boyo

what is it with wingnuts that each time they attack they tend to focus on homosexual acts being done to the person they are attacking?

Totally Freudian. I'm sure a psych person could fill us in.

28 Lidane  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:31:36pm

re: #24 Decatur Deb

Been away a lot this week. Why are some comments coming up in (gay) colors?

It's the new wingnut tag. Hehe.

29 Michael McBacon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:31:51pm

Agh, my eyes! But thanks for sharing, Charles. E-mail like this makes a case for devolution.

30 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:32:27pm

re: #26 Varek Raith

re: #28 Lidane

Must explore..

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:33:39pm

re: #12 Boyo

what is it with wingnuts that each time they attack they tend to focus on homosexual acts being done to the person they are attacking?

God knows. It is a bit of an obsession.

32 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:34:18pm

Let's see if this works.
silly

33 BryanS  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:34:22pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I was thinking about this earlier today while watching all the wingnuts advocating for more nuclear plants while the disaster plays out in Japan. I really think the core of the issue for wingnuts is money. Oil companies and nuclear energy companies have loads of money to exchange for political favors. Solar and wind providers, not so much.
You can make a great conservative case for developing solar power. If you have efficient panels on your roof you are independent and self sufficient. It has nothing to do with ideology. It's just an excuse to pander to the companies with deep pockets.

I don't think nuclear power is right wing...there are supporters across the spectrum, including Obama I believe. Nuclear power is reliable in a way solar power just isn't. Solar plus wind could provide base load power in combination, but alternative technologies to date can really only be supplemental.

34 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:34:41pm

re: #32 PhillyPretzel

darn it.

35 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:35:12pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

God knows. It is a bit of an obsession.

I think "jaunte" called it on #22

"I think it's the worst thing they can think of."

36 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:35:24pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

God knows. It is a bit of an obsession.

Guys who wear Obsession are probably gay?

37 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:35:44pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I was thinking about this earlier today while watching all the wingnuts advocating for more nuclear plants while the disaster plays out in Japan. I really think the core of the issue for wingnuts is money. Oil companies and nuclear energy companies have loads of money to exchange for political favors. Solar and wind providers, not so much.
You can make a great conservative case for developing solar power. If you have efficient panels on your roof you are independent and self sufficient. It has nothing to do with ideology. It's just an excuse to pander to the companies with deep pockets.

Haters are a-hating. Doesn't matter what the issue is. They are against it. Sad.

38 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:36:33pm

Let me try the brackets.
[wingnut]silly[wingnut]

39 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:36:33pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Guys who wear Obsession are probably gay?

No, guys who wear Obsession are probably at least my age.

40 jaunte  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:36:54pm
thanx for destroying our economy, and our human rights.


Nominated for rotating title.

41 Irenicum  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:38:08pm

These lovely little emails say so much about the senders. It's really a portal into their souls.

42 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:38:29pm

re: #38 PhillyPretzel

Let me try the brackets.
[wingnut]silly[wingnut]

After silly, you want [ /wingnut]
Remove the space between the bracket and slash

43 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:38:39pm

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

No, guys who wear Obsession are probably at least my age.

Just checked--there really is an 'Obsession for Men'. I always thought that was 'Boobs'.

44 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:38:51pm

re: #41 Irenicum

These lovely little emails say so much about the senders. It's really a portal into their souls.

or lack thereof

45 jaunte  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:39:04pm

Thanx for destroying mai speling

46 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:39:14pm

Back to the "angle irons."
silly

47 Irenicum  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:39:29pm

re: #13 PhillyPretzel

They also don't know how to use a sanity checker.

48 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:39:59pm

re: #46 PhillyPretzel
dang that did not work.

49 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:40:54pm

re: #47 Irenicum

I do not think they know what it is.

50 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:41:28pm

re: #45 jaunte
LOL

51 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:41:46pm

re: #47 Irenicum

They also don't know how to use a sanity checker.

That would be a neat application. Graft the Microsoft Paperclip into an 'Eliza' program.

52 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:41:52pm

R U FAG? U LOOK AN SOUND LIEK F&^%ING FAG. DO U LIEK DICK IN MOUTH AN UP UR FAT ASS? I BLEEV U DO. DO U ENJOY SWALLOWIN CUM? BET U DO. I FINKZ UR GAYNES CAUSEZ GLOBAL WARMIN.

Wingnut Lolcat!

53 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:42:45pm

re: #52 Varek Raith
Are you okay?

54 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:43:16pm

re: #53 PhillyPretzel

Are you okay?

I can't even upding that one!!! Even if purple! (Sorry Varek!)

55 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:45:07pm

EQTW Earthquake & Tsunami

5.7 - NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:38:19 UTCLat/Lon: 39.1651/142.661Depth: 25.3 [Link: 1.usa.gov...]

56 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:45:14pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I was thinking about this earlier today while watching all the wingnuts advocating for more nuclear plants while the disaster plays out in Japan. I really think the core of the issue for wingnuts is money. Oil companies and nuclear energy companies have loads of money to exchange for political favors. Solar and wind providers, not so much.
You can make a great conservative case for developing solar power. If you have efficient panels on your roof you are independent and self sufficient. It has nothing to do with ideology. It's just an excuse to pander to the companies with deep pockets.

It really isn't. It's about hating liberals, and things liberals like. It's not about anything else. It's not about debt, deficit, the economy, religion, ideology, jobs, or anything else, except hatred of liberals and stuff they like.

This week, Rush and others have been making vague mutterings about nuclear power and how this will make liberals either more angry or more fervent. It doesn't really matter what the connection is - they don't need a conspiracy connection a la Glenn Beck. The only recipe required is to mention the issue of the day (earthquake/nuclear power/economy/whatever) and follow it with some sort of negative mutter about liberals. That's enough. The issue is about finding more reasons to hate liberals, even if they're made up ones.

I've had the misfortune of being subject to FOX all week (VA hospital, FOX on all stations, all day). Today I learned how Obama and Democrats are failing miserably in leadership over the nuclear disaster, and sending mixed messages and contradicting each other, with sinister undertones about Obama creating more fear. That was quickly followed with learning how Democrats and teachers are indoctrinating children with pro-union doctrine by law, including another fucking replay of that stupid, godforsaken children's play that Tucker bloody Carlson compared to the Khmer Rouge. (I swear, the fucking shamelessness of FOX.) And, after a few Goldline ads, it was back to how Obama is golfing and picking NCAA brackets while the world burns and showing his weakness and possible complicity in the disasters unfolding everywhere.

It's got nothing to do with money. Just hate.

57 Bubblehead II  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:45:26pm

re: #42 Varek Raith

After silly, you want [ /wingnut]
Remove the space between the bracket and slash

*Lurk Mode off*

Evening Lizards. Maybe Charles would be kind enough to develop a button like the Bold/Strike/Link buttons now available to us.

58 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:45:51pm

thedeadhandbook David E. Hoffman

RT @etixxx: Live Japan Radiation Tracker: [Link: j.mp...]

(Great work @connormcarthur!) #Japan #nuclear #mGy

59 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:45:51pm

re: #53 PhillyPretzel

Are you okay?

re: #54 Stanley Sea

I can't even upding that one!!! Even if purple! (Sorry Varek!)

S'alright.
I had to mock that email.
:)

60 Irenicum  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:47:02pm

It seems to be true that those who are the most stridently antagonistic towards a group or a certain behavior have a deep attraction at work within them that they just can't acknowledge. Thus they lash out in ever greater torrents of rage till either they become openly violent or, and this does occur thankfully, something happens in their life where they finally have their eyes opened to what's going on inside themselves. Sadly that self awakening is all too rare.

61 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:47:52pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

thedeadhandbook David E. Hoffman

RT @etixxx: Live Japan Radiation Tracker: [Link: j.mp...]

(Great work @connormcarthur!) #Japan #nuclear #mGy

Varek, click that link and figure it out for me.

62 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:49:24pm

thedeadhandbook David E. Hoffman

RT @ToneyBrooks: #Japan #Nuclear Amazingly, the water cannon spraying is being televised. NHK doing an Al Jaze… (cont) [Link: deck.ly...]

63 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:51:20pm

re: #61 Stanley Sea

Varek, click that link and figure it out for me.

Those numbers are in nGy/hr, which is a measure of radiation. Your average person is exposed to 60nGy/hr.

64 Tigger2005  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:51:46pm

Charles destroyed our economy?

I had no idea the Lizard King had such power.

Please, Lizard King, fix our economy. We will bring you many flies to eat.

Or is this the first salvo in the planned Lizardoid invasion of Earth?

65 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:51:58pm

Maybe we should have more sympathy for this Salt Lake resident.

He's probably just managed to swing the loan on a new crew cab dually to commute to his job as a fast food manager, had to give up beer to do it even, and you hippies are trying your best to take it away from him.

66 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:52:12pm

re: #56 Renaissance_Man

I've had the misfortune of being subject to FOX all week (VA hospital, FOX on all stations, all day). Today I learned how Obama and Democrats are failing miserably in leadership over the nuclear disaster, and sending mixed messages and contradicting each other, with sinister undertones about Obama creating more fear. That was quickly followed with learning how Democrats and teachers are indoctrinating children with pro-union doctrine by law, including another fucking replay of that stupid, godforsaken children's play that Tucker bloody Carlson compared to the Khmer Rouge. (I swear, the fucking shamelessness of FOX.) And, after a few Goldline ads, it was back to how Obama is golfing and picking NCAA brackets while the world burns and showing his weakness and possible complicity in the disasters unfolding everywhere.

I should add for emphasis that that was not spread over the day. That was over the space of fifteen minutes. For those who do not watch FOX, which I assume is most if not all of you, that is what wingnuts are indoctrinated with, all day, every day. When they're not watching, they're listening to the same. When they're not listening, they're reading that on blogs. Every minute of every day.

There is no room for reason in a mind that addled by hate. There's no way a reasonable argument can work its way in.

67 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:53:41pm

Obviously, judging from the vocabulary and the deep logical analysis, the guy has at least two advanced degrees and is an avid reader of numerous technical science-related journals.

68 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:53:52pm

re: #63 Varek Raith

Hold on, that doesn't seem right. Let me check something...
BRB

69 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:54:01pm

I hates the bleeding heart libruls cause I ain't privileged no more

70 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:54:21pm
Youtube Video

This one has a happy ending.

71 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:54:30pm

re: #66 Renaissance_Man
That is the reason why I read the newspaper. I cannot tolerate TV news.

72 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:54:35pm

re: #67 Talking Point Detective

Obviously, judging from the vocabulary and the deep logical analysis, the guy has at least two advanced degrees and is an avid reader of numerous technical science-related journals.

And he dates Morgan Fairchild.

73 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:55:07pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb
LOL

74 Tigger2005  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:55:21pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

And he dates Morgan Fairchild.

Is Morgan Fairchild still hot?

75 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:56:27pm

re: #74 Tigger2005

Is Morgan Fairchild still hot?

Hope she's at least 98.6.

76 Michael McBacon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:58:37pm

re: #60 Irenicum

It seems to be true that those who are the most stridently antagonistic towards a group or a certain behavior have a deep attraction at work within them that they just can't acknowledge. Thus they lash out in ever greater torrents of rage till either they become openly violent or, and this does occur thankfully, something happens in their life where they finally have their eyes opened to what's going on inside themselves. Sadly that self awakening is all too rare.

DHIMMI!

77 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:58:44pm

re: #74 Tigger2005

Is Morgan Fairchild still hot?

Hot enough I gotta use a control rod.

78 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:59:10pm

silly

79 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:59:47pm

re: #78 PhillyPretzel

Dang nabbit. I am going to give up on wingnut.

80 Fenris  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 5:59:50pm

That's one reason why I got rid of the email form on my site. It's easier to laugh at hate mail if they're expected to give a return address.

Though I'm sure there's a zillion and a half ways around that.

81 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:01:08pm

re: #60 Irenicum

It seems to be true that those who are the most stridently antagonistic towards a group or a certain behavior have a deep attraction at work within them that they just can't acknowledge. Thus they lash out in ever greater torrents of rage till either they become openly violent or, and this does occur thankfully, something happens in their life where they finally have their eyes opened to what's going on inside themselves. Sadly that self awakening is all too rare.

In my experience, the more authoritarian a person is the less likely that person is to be self reflective.

82 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:01:15pm

re: #56 Renaissance_Man

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I was thinking about this earlier today while watching all the wingnuts advocating for more nuclear plants while the disaster plays out in Japan. I really think the core of the issue for wingnuts is money. Oil companies and nuclear energy companies have loads of money to exchange for political favors. Solar and wind providers, not so much.
You can make a great conservative case for developing solar power. If you have efficient panels on your roof you are independent and self sufficient. It has nothing to do with ideology. It's just an excuse to pander to the companies with deep pockets.

The thing about nuclear power is that everywhere where it is relied upon heavily, investment was underwritten by a federal government. The private sector will not pony up some $8 billion for one plant when something on the order of 1/2 default before being built, and were as we now see, there is the potential for huge liabilities and for all that investment to become worthless in a matter of days. It only happens in "socialist" countries like France and Japan.

Its all about banging on libz and in this particular case screaming about enviro-Nazis. There really isn't much anything else behind virtually any Republican stance on any particular issue besides hatred of libz, Dems, atheists, etc.

Its really mostly just about tribalism.

83 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:01:39pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

And he dates Morgan Fairchild.

Yeah, that's the ticket. Morgan Fairchild.

84 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:01:40pm

re: #68 Varek Raith

Hold on, that doesn't seem right. Let me check something...
BRB

Okay. nGy = Nano Gray. This is a pretty small amount of radiation and seems to be not much more above normal background levels...
I wish LVQ were here...
:)

85 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:01:58pm

re: #79 PhillyPretzel

Dang nabbit. I am going to give up on wingnut.

silly

86 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:02:08pm

re: #85 Stanley Sea

hahahaha.

87 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:03:11pm

re: #66 Renaissance_Man

you get to leave the VA soon (hopefully?)...Im stuck with a rabid alexjones listener for the long foreseeable future...first thing out of his mouth today "Obama hasnt said a word about whats happening in japan, hes out golfing and ncaa!!!!11" ..took 2 seconds to see Obama had spoken about japan..when I told him this he said "well he hasnt told the west coast to evacuate yet has he?"...no matter how many of his crazy pins I knock down with logic he always springs new ones up... :(

88 Solomon22  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:03:42pm
are you a fag? you look and sound like a fucking fag. do u like dick in mouth and up your fat ass? I believe you do. do u enjoy swallowing cum? bet you do. I think your gayness causes global warming.

OMG! Invective like this is a lurid art. I wonder if there's federal grant money for it? Not unless it rhymes, I suppose. But maybe the author can classify it as free verse...

89 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:03:47pm

Radiation absorbed converter.

90 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:04:06pm

hi

91 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:04:27pm

re: #66 Renaissance_Man

Can you wear an ipod? It doesn't have to be on...
Works nicely on airplanes, for me!

92 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:04:27pm

re: #78 PhillyPretzel

silly

Don't use the greater than and less than signs. It has to be square brackets without any spaces within the braces.

They aren't HTML tags, they're BBCode tags.

93 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:04:55pm

re: #84 Varek Raith

Okay. nGy = Nano Gray. This is a pretty small amount of radiation and seems to be not much more above normal background levels...
I wish LVQ were here...
:)

Now, they may be spiking 3 to 4 times above normal in Tokyo, but that's still very, very low.

94 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:05:05pm

re: #90 PhillyPretzel

hi

No joy. Turn in your tricorn hat and misspelled sign.

95 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:05:37pm

silly

96 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:05:51pm

re: #95 PhillyPretzel

HUZZAH!

97 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:06:38pm

re: #92 b_sharp
Thank you very much I got it square brackets

98 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:07:28pm

re: #95 PhillyPretzel

Now, your homework for tonight is to go to a site not FOX related and post the wingnuttiest comment you can find.

99 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:07:39pm

One nGy = 0.000000001 of this.

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:07:46pm

re: #87 Boyo

you get to leave the VA soon (hopefully?)...Im stuck with a rabid alexjones listener for the long foreseeable future...first thing out of his mouth today "Obama hasnt said a word about whats happening in japan, hes out golfing and ncaa!!!11" ..took 2 seconds to see Obama had spoken about japan..when I told him this he said "well he hasnt told the west coast to evacuate yet has he?"...no matter how many of his crazy pins I knock down with logic he always springs new ones up... :(

Evacuate? Yikes.

I'm already getting directions on anti-radiation foods from various moonbats and wingnuts of my acquaintance.

101 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:07:54pm

re: #95 PhillyPretzel

OH FUCK YEAH.

The little things that matter, congrats.

102 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:09:00pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

hes bought potassium iodide drops already -_-

103 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:10:27pm

re: #56 Renaissance_Man

It's got nothing to do with money. Just hate.


You make some very good points but I suspect when solar and wind energy starts making big money (it will eventually) Republicans will change their tune pretty quick.

104 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:10:39pm

re: #74 Tigger2005

Is Morgan Fairchild still hot?

As her husband, I can say that Morgan Fairchild, whom I've seen naked, is still hot.

Youtube Video
105 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:10:48pm

re: #102 Boyo

hes bought potassium iodide drops already -_-

That ain't gonna do shit against that gamma ray burst tomorrow morning. He does know about it, right???
///
;)

106 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:11:02pm

re: #102 Boyo

hes bought potassium iodide drops already -_-

He has no idea why he has them, but he has them.

107 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:11:27pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

You make some very good points but I suspect when solar and wind energy starts making big money (it will eventually) Republicans will change their tune pretty quick.

They are already investing behind the scenes. Just won't admit it yet. Probably as a sly way to keep others out of the pie.

108 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:11:44pm

re: #106 b_sharp

He has no idea why he has them, but he has them.

alex jones told him to buy them...

109 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:12:12pm

re: #105 Varek Raith

That ain't gonna do shit against that gamma ray burst tomorrow morning. He does know about it, right???
///
;)

of course he does!! ;)

110 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:13:32pm

It doesn't take much for an Alex Jones fan to go into full FREAKOUTMODEZOMGWEGONNADIE!!!

111 Henchman 25  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:13:56pm

re: #108 Boyo

Going by some age old logic here, would he hurl himself off a cliff if Alex Jones said it was the best course of action?

112 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:15:58pm

thedeadhandbook David E. Hoffman

RT @disasternewsco: Helicopters are scooping water from the ocean and dropping it over the reactor, 7.5 tonnes at a time #Nuclear #Fukushima

113 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:15:59pm

[9:02 p.m. ET Wednesday, 10:02 p.m. Thursday in Tokyo] A helicopter dropped water Thursday morning on the Fukushima Daiichi power plant's No. 3 nuclear reactor, video footage from Japanese broadcaster NHK showed. The water drop was an airborne effort to cool down the reactor. The helicopter came from a Tokyo police unit, NHK reported.

114 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:16:00pm

re: #111 SteelPH

Going by some age old logic here, would he hurl himself off a cliff if Alex Jones said it was the best course of action?

no hes a half-assed conspiracy theorist in that he picks and chooses what crazyness hell buy into and which ones he wont..


bigfoot? = "bullshit"

chemtrails? = FACT

115 garhighway  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:16:26pm

re: #82 Talking Point Detective

re: #23 Killgore Trout

The thing about nuclear power is that everywhere where it is relied upon heavily, investment was underwritten by a federal government. The private sector will not pony up some $8 billion for one plant when something on the order of 1/2 default before being built, and were as we now see, there is the potential for huge liabilities and for all that investment to become worthless in a matter of days. It only happens in "socialist" countries like France and Japan.

Its all about banging on libz and in this particular case screaming about enviro-Nazis. There really isn't much anything else behind virtually any Republican stance on any particular issue besides hatred of libz, Dems, atheists, etc.

Its really mostly just about tribalism.

That is an interesting point. The free market purists seem to be the ones beating the drum hardest for nuclear, but nuclear CANNOT exist in a free market. It's too risky and too expensive. So it's existence depends on government largesse: the same exact kind of largesse that those same people sneer at when they are discussing wind or solar.

Understand, I think nuclear has to be part of the solution here. It poses risks and challenges, but it is worth it. But the small government, free market folks have to eat their core principles to advocate for nuclear. Which they seem to do without breaking a sweat.

116 sagehen  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:16:45pm

Silly e-mailer. Everyone knows global warming is caused by not enough pirates.

img]Image: piratesarecool4.jpg

117 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:17:59pm

I have a feeling Philly is out searching for non-Fox wingnuttiness.

118 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:18:10pm

ooooh thankies to all my lizard peeps for putting my karma into the positives today :D
eleventyyyyy!

119 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:18:39pm

re: #114 Boyo

no hes a half-assed conspiracy theorist in that he picks and chooses what crazyness hell buy into and which ones he wont..

bigfoot? = "bullshit"

chemtrails? = FACT

The one overriding fact he/they operate on is that the government is evil and capable of great feats of conspiracy.

120 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:19:13pm

re: #118 Boyo

oooh thankies to all my lizard peeps for putting my karma into the positives today :D
eleventyyy!

oops ...not that they were ever in the negatives... :/

121 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:19:33pm

re: #114 Boyo

no hes a half-assed conspiracy theorist in that he picks and chooses what crazyness hell buy into and which ones he wont..

bigfoot? = "bullshit"

chemtrails? = FACT

Those ancient alien astronauts told me otherwise.

122 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:19:37pm

re: #116 sagehen

Silly e-mailer. Everyone knows global warming is caused by not enough pirates.

img]Image: piratesarecool4.jpg

That goes without saying.

123 garhighway  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:20:05pm

re: #66 Renaissance_Man

I should add for emphasis that that was not spread over the day. That was over the space of fifteen minutes. For those who do not watch FOX, which I assume is most if not all of you, that is what wingnuts are indoctrinated with, all day, every day. When they're not watching, they're listening to the same. When they're not listening, they're reading that on blogs. Every minute of every day.

There is no room for reason in a mind that addled by hate. There's no way a reasonable argument can work its way in.

Absolutely right. Those who claim equivalence between Fox and any other channel are talking out of their asses. Fox is in a league of its own as a relentless propaganda channel.

124 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:20:39pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

Those ancient alien astronauts told me otherwise.

aha the nazca lines and giant boulders what cant be moved by present technology blahblah

125 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:21:50pm

Dumb question - are chemtrails when you see a jet's path in the sky and think its uh,

something

126 Cankles McCellulite  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:22:14pm

*GASP*

What TF. I had no idea Charles was the one who ruined the economy and our human rights. Why Charles? why?
You cut me Charles, you cut me real deep.


/

127 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:22:32pm

re: #123 garhighway

Absolutely right. Those who claim equivalence between Fox and any other channel are talking out of their asses. Fox is in a league of its own as a relentless propaganda channel.

[wingnut]That doesn't matter as long as it isn't a member of the LSM (Librul Stream Media).[wingnut]

128 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:22:41pm

re: #125 Stanley Sea

Dumb question - are chemtrails when you see a jet's path in the sky and think its uh,

Yes. Usually mind control crap. Sometimes sterilization meds. Lots o'kookiness!

129 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:23:04pm

re: #125 Stanley Sea

Dumb question - are chemtrails when you see a jet's path in the sky and think its uh,

according to my house mate...contrails dissipate within seconds
chemtrails linger for hours and cover the sky in a hazy mist...


ooga booga!

130 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:23:40pm

re: #125 Stanley Sea

Dumb question - are chemtrails when you see a jet's path in the sky and think its uh,

Mind control chemicals.

No such thing as water vapour.

131 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:23:48pm

re: #117 Stanley Sea
Actually I was commenting on an item I bought from LLBean.

132 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:24:06pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

Evacuate? Yikes.

I'm already getting directions on anti-radiation foods from various moonbats and wingnuts of my acquaintance.

A bi-partisan panic in your neck of the woods?

133 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:24:24pm

re: #132 reine.de.tout

A bi-partisan panic in your neck of the woods?

FREAKOUT!

134 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:24:40pm

re: #127 b_sharp

That doesn't matter as long as it isn't a member of the LSM (Librul Stream Media).

D'oh!

135 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:25:03pm

re: #126 Cankles McCellulite

*GASP*

What TF. I had no idea Charles was the one who ruined the economy and our human rights. Why Charles? why?
You cut me Charles, you cut me real deep.

/

He's just that evil.

136 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:26:17pm

re: #133 Varek Raith

FREAKOUT!

But, hey, I'm on the East coast. You West coast peeps can have the radioactive fun.
///

137 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:26:28pm

Tsunami Hits Japanese Port Town

Liveleak Video

It's amazing that these people survived to get the video out.

138 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:27:03pm

re: #128 Varek Raith

Yes. Usually mind control crap. Sometimes sterilization meds. Lots o'kookiness!

re: #129 Boyo

according to my house mate...contrails dissipate within seconds
chemtrails linger for hours and cover the sky in a hazy mist...

ooga booga!

I heard of an acquaintance who would hide under bridges on the freeways from this shit. I guess they were a believer. I just thought they were crazy

139 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:27:29pm

re: #131 PhillyPretzel

Actually I was commenting on an item I bought from LLBean.

haha, come on!

140 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:28:04pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

But, hey, I'm on the East coast. You West coast peeps can have the radioactive fun.
///

We'll finally be famous.

141 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:28:30pm

re: #113 Varek Raith

[9:02 p.m. ET Wednesday, 10:02 p.m. Thursday in Tokyo] A helicopter dropped water Thursday morning on the Fukushima Daiichi power plant's No. 3 nuclear reactor, video footage from Japanese broadcaster NHK showed. The water drop was an airborne effort to cool down the reactor. The helicopter came from a Tokyo police unit, NHK reported.

Pic.
Image: t1main.water.spray.nhk.jpg

142 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:28:50pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards. ::: headed to LLBean :::

143 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:31:43pm

Later gators. Time for dinner.
Then, I'm coating my house with lead panels. Then, take a does of anti lead poisoning meds, ?, PROFIT!

144 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:34:09pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Tsunami Hits Japanese Port Town

[Video]
It's amazing that these people survived to get the video out.

Oh My God. I'm in tears.
Oh hell.

145 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:34:21pm

re: #105 Varek Raith

That ain't gonna do shit against that gamma ray burst tomorrow morning. He does know about it, right???
///
;)

Earth was in the crosshairs of a gamma ray burst

If you haven't read Phil Plait's "DEATH FROM THE SKIES!", you need to do so ASAP.

146 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:37:53pm

re: #115 garhighway

That is an interesting point. The free market purists seem to be the ones beating the drum hardest for nuclear, but nuclear CANNOT exist in a free market. It's too risky and too expensive. So it's existence depends on government largesse: the same exact kind of largesse that those same people sneer at when they are discussing wind or solar.

Understand, I think nuclear has to be part of the solution here. It poses risks and challenges, but it is worth it. But the small government, free market folks have to eat their core principles to advocate for nuclear. Which they seem to do without breaking a sweat.

Principles?

The principle is use whatever they can to attack libz and environmentalists. Nuclear plants weren't built because they weren't a good private sector investment. At best, it would be a huge investment with a long wait for a ROI - when there are many other investments that would bring better returns, more quickly, without the risks. Even with fewer environmental restrictions and independent of Democratic opposition, nuclear power would not have been popular enough to garner enough support from Repubs to get the massive underwriting involved.

147 polypam  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:38:49pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

I know what you mean. I've felt such despair this week seeing all the videos of the tsunami.

148 polypam  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:44:07pm

Darn it. I haven't been able to post much over the last week and when I do finally, I kill the thread.

149 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:44:46pm

re: #148 polypam

Darn it. I haven't been able to post much over the last week and when I do finally, I kill the thread.

See how you are?

/

150 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:44:57pm

re: #148 polypam

Darn it. I haven't been able to post much over the last week and when I do finally, I kill the thread.

hehe.
Not your fault. For some folks westward it's probably dinner time.
For other folks eastward it's probably the kids' bedtime.

151 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:46:12pm

I'm here. Just kind of freaking after watching that video. There were people in those houses that were destroyed.

152 polypam  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:48:53pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

I know, it's numbing-the mind can't fully register what it's seeing. There was that one picture of the huge wave about to hit and there was a car on the road facing it. Someone had to be in that car.

153 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:50:26pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

I'm here. Just kind of freaking after watching that video. There were people in those houses that were destroyed.

That's what I was thinking, as well.
When that house floated by, it seemed I heard someone screaming - was that someone IN the house? Just too horrible to contemplate.

154 sizzleRI  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:55:02pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

That's what I was thinking, as well.
When that house floated by, it seemed I heard someone screaming - was that someone IN the house? Just too horrible to contemplate.

That was terrible. At this point I try to only watch videos were animals are miraculously saved. Its really all I can handle.

155 EdDantes  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:55:17pm

The day after the tsunami I saw on the news what I thought was a still of a child's toys: a pile of toy cars and an airplane. Then I realized they were real cars and airplanes. As tragic as the 1989 Loma Prieta quake was that I went through this is beyond my imagination.

156 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:55:23pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

That's what I was thinking, as well.
When that house floated by, it seemed I heard someone screaming - was that someone IN the house? Just too horrible to contemplate.

Another thing I read that is sticking with me is the workers - the 50 - at the nuke plant, most of them lost everyone in the tsunami, so they have nothing to, eh, worry about.

So fucking sad.

157 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:56:56pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

I'm here. Just kind of freaking after watching that video. There were people in those houses that were destroyed.

The raw energy in that video is amazing.

Every single year there's at least one story in the local news of a family of 5 who all drowned when whoever was driving their vehicle decided it was perfectly okay to try pass through a flooded area that had just two or three feet of rushing water flowing through it.

158 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:57:46pm

Amazing video of the helicopters dropping water onto the reactor facility.
[Link: www.ustream.tv...]

Looks like they are dropping from so high the water is blowing away. They say water cannons are next.

159 EdDantes  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 6:58:46pm

re: #156 Stanley Sea

Another thing I read that is sticking with me is the workers - the 50 - at the nuke plant, most of them lost everyone in the tsunami, so they have nothing to, eh, worry about.

So fucking sad.

Perhaps they will be remebered the way the 300 were at Thermoplae.

160 DaddyLawBucks  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:01:33pm

I wonder how this compares with the state of Japan at the end of WWII?

161 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:04:35pm

re: #160 daddylawbucks

I wonder how this compares with the state of Japan at the end of WWII?

A lady, a survivor of Hiroshoma, said this is worse.

162 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:05:48pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

I'm here. Just kind of freaking after watching that video. There were people in those houses that were destroyed.

You'd have to be psychotic not to feel something after watching those vids.

163 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:05:48pm

OK, I'm out for Japanese food. Will check back in & hope to hell nothing bad happens in the news while I'm trying to enjoy my food. The owners, tho, have family in Tokyo, so I'll try to get some info.

164 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:06:04pm

re: #160 daddylawbucks

I think the "real time" media is intensifying and spreading the fear, far more than the media was at the end of WWII. It isn't any better or worse, it's just exposure, if I may use that word.

165 DaddyLawBucks  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:08:36pm

I agree with FG that constantly running the same tape segments over and over amplifies the perception of disaster, but at some point we should be able to quantify how many buildings are wrecked etc In loss of life, I'm sure this is far less than the war. But the extent of physical damage looks awful.

166 Gus  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:08:56pm

Never fails. 9 times out of 10 these hate mails are laced with gay sex fantasies in complete detail. Just another "Murican" drunkard with a computer and an intertoob connection.

167 Bob Dillon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:09:23pm

Latest
01.00 Matt Alt, a writer and translator, tweets:
Second drop of water at 9:53am local time, appears to have hit both #3, #4
00.59 The Foreign and Commonweath Office has updated travel advice and told Britons to observe a 50mile radius exclusion zone from Fukushima.
00.52 A Japanese military helicopter dumped water from a huge bucket onto the stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant, television images showed.
00.50 Mat Alt, a writer and translator, tweets
Chinook helicopter just dropped water on #3!

169 polypam  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:10:10pm

re: #164 Floral Giraffe

I agree. I think through the immediate availability of countless videos of the actual moment of impact of the tsunami and the horrific destruction, we are also "experiencing" a traumatic event (although in no way even remotely close to what the Japanese are going through).

170 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:11:27pm

re: #168 Varek Raith

Limbaugh Laughs In The Face Of Human Suffering

When Rush has his Helen Thomas moment, he won't have as much class as Helen.

171 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:14:06pm

re: #166 Gus 802

Never fails. 9 times out of 10 these hate mails are laced with gay sex fantasies in complete detail. Just another "Murican" drunkard with a computer and an intertoob connection.

Being gay is the most degrading insult they can imagine, although I'm sure we could find impressive degradation in their most tightly held and fondest fantasies if we were to root around in the vast pits of their (sad excuse of a) mind.

172 Gus  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:16:29pm

re: #171 b_sharp

Being gay is the most degrading insult they can imagine, although I'm sure we could find impressive degradation in their most tightly held and fondest fantasies if we were to root around in the vast pits of their (sad excuse of a) mind.

The sex stuff is typically a reflection of their own sexual dysfunction.

173 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:17:03pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

I hate watching people die, especially like that.

174 jaunte  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:17:03pm

re: #168 Varek Raith

The Haitian economy is entirely dependent on foreign aid. They produce nothing -- zilch, zero, nada. And it's been that way for the longest time.


Rush is an ignoramus.

175 DaddyLawBucks  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:17:19pm

Gosh, just knowing someone as powerful as Charles seems to be -- able to destroy our American way of life all by himself --- how special!

176 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:18:52pm

re: #174 jaunte

Rush is an ignoramus.

Rush is a self-aggrandizing, uncaring, greedy, bone-headed narcissist.

177 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:20:07pm

re: #174 jaunte

Rush is into making money & spewing vitriol.
He's tapped into a Zeitgeist, for certain people.

178 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:20:43pm

re: #176 b_sharp

Rush is a self-aggrandizing, uncaring, greedy, bone-headed narcissist.

And a poopy head.

179 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:22:17pm

re: #170 Alouette

When Rush has his Helen Thomas moment, he won't have as much class as Helen.

Actually just reading all that trash he's said, I think he has already had many Helen Thomas moments.

180 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:22:54pm

re: #178 Varek Raith

And a poopy head.

Thanks. I always forget poopy head.

181 Gus  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:22:57pm

re: #178 Varek Raith

And a poopy head.

Why do you hate poopy heads?

/

182 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:23:42pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Why do you hate poopy heads?

/

Because they're poopy heads.

183 Gus  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:24:03pm

Rush is a [deleted] that needs to have his [deleted] followed up with a good [deleted].

/

184 DaddyLawBucks  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:27:08pm

I think this is our golden opportunity: Tell the Afgans and Iraquis that we are really sorry, but our military is needed elsewhere, and we gotta leave to save Japan. Bye Bye.

185 Gus  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:28:03pm

Live News from Japan - NHK WORLD TV on USTREAM

Page plug.

186 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:29:23pm

It's a fast day tomorrow, I have to get up early so that I can eat a big breakfast before dawn.

See y'all in the morning!

187 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:31:03pm

So, I'm watch the helo drop of water... supposedly 7.5 tonnes per shot... that's 7500 liters. It looks like about 5% actually lands where it is supposed to... if so that means about 375 liters hit the building on top... which is about 99 US gallons. Let's call it 100 gallons.

That's not very much, but the NHK translators seem to be stuck on "7.5 tonnes".

188 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:32:41pm

re: #184 daddylawbucks

I think this is our golden opportunity: Tell the Afgans and Iraquis that we are really sorry, but our military is needed elsewhere, and we gotta leave to save Japan. Bye Bye.


Actually brilliant. And oh the deficit! Finito

189 Gus  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:33:04pm

Image: 999x.jpg

190 DaddyLawBucks  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:33:17pm

how long will the reactor core remain radioactive at a dangerous level? I assume it will eventually be encased in concrete or something.

191 DaddyLawBucks  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:33:55pm

re: #188 Stanley Sea

Thank you. ( Bows)

192 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:33:59pm

re: #184 daddylawbucks

I think this is our golden opportunity: Tell the Afgans and Iraquis that we are really sorry, but our military is needed elsewhere, and we gotta leave to save Japan. Bye Bye.

Shouldn't you send over your Senators and Governors to help before the military?

193 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:36:45pm

re: #192 b_sharp

Shouldn't you send over your Senators and Governors to help before the military?

They are too busy. NPR and teachers ya know.

194 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:36:54pm

The helicopter drop was made from 300 meters altitude because of the radiation hazard. In the NHK video, relatively little of the water appears to have actually hit the target reactor. It appears to have dispersed too much during the long drop. I am wondering if they could extend a series of hoses several hundred feet from the chopper and dump the water through those to improve the accuracy.
These helicopters are Boeing CH-47s, License-built in Japan by Kawasaki. There are 54 of these in the Ground SDF (the army) and another 15 in the Air SDF. The Maritime SDF (navy) has 10 of the larger CH-53Es but I haven't seen this used in this operation yet.

195 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:38:43pm

I was watching the Ed show on MSNBC. Has anyone heard of this, not yet passed, law that makes the governor King with the right to come into any city and replace the mayor and council by appointees if they feel it is being mismanaged?

That would actually be a good thing in the long run if it happened. I can just see these Tea Party people in a given city saying WTF happened?

196 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:38:59pm

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel

What a horrible, and at the same time excellent test/challenge for these engineers.

197 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:39:47pm

re: #187 freetoken

So, I'm watch the helo drop of water... supposedly 7.5 tonnes per shot... that's 7500 liters. It looks like about 5% actually lands where it is supposed to... if so that means about 375 liters hit the building on top... which is about 99 US gallons. Let's call it 100 gallons.

That's not very much, but the NHK translators seem to be stuck on "7.5 tonnes".

It's a desperation move. Might look good, but it's not going to accomplish much of anything.

198 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:40:09pm

re: #195 Naso Tang

I was watching the Ed show on MSNBC. Has anyone heard of this, not yet passed, law that makes the governor King with the right to come into any city and replace the mayor and council by appointees if they feel it is being mismanaged?

That would actually be a good thing in the long run if it happened. I can just see these Tea Party people in a given city saying WTF happened?

That's Michigan eh? Bs another union busting (among other things tea party ploy)

199 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:41:00pm

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel

I believe the first people to die of radiation in the Ukraine were the helicopter pilots doing the same thing.

200 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:41:16pm

re: #195 Naso Tang

I was watching the Ed show on MSNBC. Has anyone heard of this, not yet passed, law that makes the governor King with the right to come into any city and replace the mayor and council by appointees if they feel it is being mismanaged?

That would actually be a good thing in the long run if it happened. I can just see these Tea Party people in a given city saying WTF happened?

When do the Tea Party politicians pass the law that allows them to bed the bride right after the wedding and before the honeymoon?

201 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:41:33pm

re: #198 Stanley Sea

Yes, sorry, I should have said Michigan.

202 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:42:38pm

re: #200 b_sharp

When do the Tea Party politicians pass the law that allows them to bed the bride right after the wedding and before the honeymoon?

It is an ancient tradition. Going back to the roots, good old days and so on.

Newt would love it.

203 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:42:56pm

I started playing the Mac OS version of Bioshock, but I got killed right away, after the lengthy opening movie.

May have to watch one of those YouTube walkthroughs just to get started with this one.

204 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:43:05pm

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel

I am praying for the "faceless 50" who are inside and working, despite the danger. It's amazing to see noble behavior.

205 Gus  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:43:53pm

Image: 110315-N-IC111-461.jpg

206 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:44:28pm

re: #203 Charles

I started playing the Mac OS version of Bioshock, but I got killed right away, after the lengthy opening movie.

May have to watch one of those YouTube walkthroughs just to get started with this one.

You have time to play video games? I think you have clones or something.

207 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:46:22pm

re: #206 Naso Tang

You have time to play video games? I think you have clones or something.

Charles is the alter-ego of Doctor Manhattan.

208 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:47:27pm

re: #207 b_sharp

Charles is the alter-ego of Doctor Manhattan.

I probably shouldn't have said that on the Intertubes. Sorry Doc Charles.

209 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:47:38pm

re: #207 b_sharp

Charles is the alter-ego of Doctor Manhattan.

I'm going to claim ignorance with pride here.

210 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:48:26pm

re: #197 Varek Raith

It's a desperation move. Might look good, but it's not going to accomplish much of anything.

Kabuki theatre?

211 DaddyLawBucks  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:49:23pm

Good night Lizards..........

212 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:49:35pm

re: #210 freetoken

Kabuki theatre?

Probably not.
I'm just becoming increasingly cynical about anything TEPCO or the Japanese governments says.

213 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:53:23pm

re: #212 Varek Raith

Watching them explain the US NRC 50 mile safety radius was illuminating. We are more conservative because we are foreign. They are right because well, they are in charge.

214 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:54:20pm

re: #199 Naso Tang

I believe the first people to die of radiation in the Ukraine were the helicopter pilots doing the same thing.

Helicopter drop at Chernobyl (All the crewmen pictured here died of radiation poisoning). They are from an Mi-6 unit of Frontal Aviation but I can't find their names. I will keep looking.

Youtube Video
215 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:54:40pm

re: #212 Varek Raith


I'm just becoming increasingly cynical about anything TEPCO or the Japanese governments says.

Here's the bottom line: the Japanese gov't and especially TEPCO are in a no-win situation. It's only a matter of time until the public vent their anger at them.

216 Gus  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:55:53pm

[Link: framework.latimes.com...]

217 quiet reader  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:57:03pm

re: #164 Floral Giraffe

I think the "real time" media is intensifying and spreading the fear, far more than the media was at the end of WWII. It isn't any better or worse, it's just exposure, if I may use that word.

There was no fear spread by the media in Japan during WW2. I used to be in a relationship with the daughter of Journalism Professor, who during WW2, was newspaper journalist in Tokyo . As he explained it, there was no direct dissent. It wasn't about fear of reprisal , he believed it was his patriotic duty to hold back some bad news and tone down that which is reported. It served no practical purpose to report things that would cause even more fear and panic.

218 Gus  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:57:17pm

[Link: framework.latimes.com...]

219 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:57:57pm

I heard earlier that 5 workers died, 2 are missing and 21 were hurt in reactor 4. Anyone hear anything about that?

220 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:58:07pm

re: #213 Rightwingconspirator

re: #215 freetoken

Yeah, I realize I'm being unfair.

221 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:59:40pm

re: #220 Varek Raith

re: #215 freetoken

Yeah, I realize I'm being unfair.


I don't think so at all.

222 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 7:59:43pm

re: #214 Shiplord Kirel

Amazing footage.
Thank you.

223 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:01:34pm

Iconic.
Image: la-fg-japanquake00.jpg

224 Gus  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:02:21pm

New photos at the Boston Globe.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

226 Bob Dillon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:03:53pm

re: #219 b_sharp

Yes - posted something about it earlier today.

228 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:05:13pm

Dammit.

229 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:06:01pm

re: #10 BryanS

Though I disagree with you, Charles, on economic policy issues, it is baffling to me the level of ignorance many on the right have with respect to clear cut science FACT. The kind of vitriol evidenced by that email is alas too typical amongst those who blindly swallow political and religious dogma on the issues of evolution and global warming.

This bit of hate mail is just standard fare over at the Stalker Blog. Charles has lots of haters, and they often call him gay. It's just BS from haters.

230 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:07:27pm

Way off topic help needed:

Supposedly there exists a funny photograph of Ansel Adams riding a trike. Anybody out there know where to find it?

231 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:07:39pm

re: #215 freetoken

Here's the bottom line: the Japanese gov't and especially TEPCO are in a no-win situation. It's only a matter of time until the public vent their anger at them.

When the Japanese start showing anger a new dimension starts.

232 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:08:47pm

re: #214 Shiplord Kirel

Helicopter drop at Chernobyl (All the crewmen pictured here died of radiation poisoning). They are from an Mi-6 unit of Frontal Aviation but I can't find their names. I will keep looking.

[Video]


Found some of them:
VOROBYOV Volodymyr Kostyantynovych (21.03.1956 - 02.10.1986)
YUNHKIND Oleksandr Yevhenovych (15.04.1958 - 02.10.1986)
KHRYSTYCH Leonid Ivanovych (28.02.1953 - 02.10.1986)
HANZHUK Mykola Oleksandrovych (26.06.1960 - 02.10.1986)

Also ANATOLY CHERNYENKO, who died in Seattle Washington while undergoing treatment for multiple cancers.

233 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:09:14pm

re: #230 goddamnedfrank

His own photo library is at U of AZ, I believe. They have and Ansel Adams exhibit.

234 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:10:02pm

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

This bit of hate mail is just standard fare over at the Stalker Blog. Charles has lots of haters, and they often call him gay. It's just BS from haters.

ugh...again with the stalkers...can one day go by where you, dark falcon, dont mention them?

:(

235 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:10:43pm

Dayyyyyum. I think the homophobes might be even more unhinged than the islamophobes.

236 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:10:59pm

re: #230 goddamnedfrank

Google was not my friend, but I tried!

237 BishopX  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:11:19pm

These helicopter drops are just window dressing.

Each reactor produces enough heat to boil 60 gallons of water per minute. Water weighs 8 pounds per gallon. So 420 pounds per minute of water per reactor, 1260 pounds for all 3 reactors (not counting the storage pools.

7.5 tonnes of water is 16,500 pounds, or enough water for 40 minutes of cooling. In order to keep up with the reactors, these helicopters would need to dump water every 13 minutes, and with 100% accuracy.

These reactors are going to melt down. It's really just a question of when, and how much time to prepare the government has.

238 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:11:28pm

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

This bit of hate mail is just standard fare over at the Stalker Blog. Charles has lots of haters, and they often call him gay. It's just BS from haters.

Most people know what it means when someone calls another gay as an insult, usually obscenely.

239 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:11:30pm

re: #234 Boyo

Who made you the blog monitor?

240 BishopX  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:12:20pm

re: #234 Boyo

That was monday. Maybe DF will ignore them again next monday. It could be the new thing, I'm Not Listening Mondays.

241 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:12:55pm

So, I'm listening to the streaming videos from Japan... and beginning to realize why the NRC (and the Brits and the Brazilians and the French) have upped the severity of the problem in spite of possibly offending the Japanese gov't.

When the defense minister says today is the last day to drop water, because the pools' water levels are too low and disappearing quickly, one gets the feeling that time is running out.

It seems to me that Kan and TEPCO are trying to quell any panic first and foremost. I don't blame them.

242 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:13:02pm

Nice to see that my nonsense is appreciated.
*Looks at top 10 comments*
:)

243 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:13:06pm

There's a Hoopster in the house!
*smooch*

244 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:13:32pm

re: #232 Shiplord Kirel

Found some of them:
VOROBYOV Volodymyr Kostyantynovych (21.03.1956 - 02.10.1986)
YUNHKIND Oleksandr Yevhenovych (15.04.1958 - 02.10.1986)
KHRYSTYCH Leonid Ivanovych (28.02.1953 - 02.10.1986)
HANZHUK Mykola Oleksandrovych (26.06.1960 - 02.10.1986)

Also ANATOLY CHERNYENKO, who died in Seattle Washington while undergoing treatment for multiple cancers.

OK, I'm about to cry.

245 Bob Dillon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:14:21pm

re: #237 BishopX

Sadly I believe you are right. It's going to be a real mess.

246 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:14:26pm

re: #234 Boyo

ugh...again with the stalkers...can one day go by where you, dark falcon, dont mention them?

:(

You have a problem with keeping the light on places where most of us don't like to tread? Elaborate.

247 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:15:26pm

re: #235 CuriousLurker

Dayyyum. I think the homophobes might be even more unhinged than the islamophobes.

Same group.

248 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:16:24pm

re: #234 Boyo

ugh...again with the stalkers...can one day go by where you, dark falcon, dont mention them?

:(

I did ignore them on Monday. And I didn't report on their doings today. And I also don't need to justify myself to you.

249 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:19:25pm

re: #232 Shiplord Kirel

Found some of them:
VOROBYOV Volodymyr Kostyantynovych (21.03.1956 - 02.10.1986)
YUNHKIND Oleksandr Yevhenovych (15.04.1958 - 02.10.1986)
KHRYSTYCH Leonid Ivanovych (28.02.1953 - 02.10.1986)
HANZHUK Mykola Oleksandrovych (26.06.1960 - 02.10.1986)

Also ANATOLY CHERNYENKO, who died in Seattle Washington while undergoing treatment for multiple cancers.

Heros, every one.

250 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:19:32pm

re: #235 CuriousLurker

Dayyyum. I think the homophobes might be even more unhinged than the islamophobes.

And that's one big load of crazy.

251 BishopX  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:19:35pm

re: #245 Bobibutu

Using enough seawater to cool the reactor to 7 days will leave 10's of tons of salt in the reactor. Pumping seawater is just not feasible as anything other than a short term solution. Unless TEPCO can get the cooling systems active, there will be a meltdown. TEPCO knows this. They have probably told the Japanese government, who hasn't told anyone.

252 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:19:52pm

Nighty night.
:)

253 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:20:53pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

And I also don't need to justify myself to you.

No you don't need to.

Let me rephrase since we are all here (presumably you also) to exchange views and occasionally make inane involuntary comments, or clever puns (haven't seen any good ones for a long time) :

Please explain why you find such references, amongst many other unrelated posts, so annoying; if you would be so kind.

254 BryanS  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:20:54pm
#
0301: As we know choppers resumed water drops on the plant today. Defence Minister Toshimi Kitazawa approved the operation as the radiation level was 4.13 millisievert per hour at an altitude of 1,000 feet, Kyodo reports.

From [Link: www.bbc.co.uk...] .

That's pretty high for a distance of 1000 ft away. Assuming containment (big assumption) we should expect radiation to reduce approximately 1/(4*Pi*distance^2).

This implies radiation levels of about 100 times higher at a distance of 30 meters, or 100ft from the reactor. About 2 hour of exposure at a distance of 100 meters from the plant would be enough to result in mild radiation poisoning, and about 8 hours of time would be enough to kill someone.

255 sagehen  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:21:39pm

re: #195 Naso Tang

I was watching the Ed show on MSNBC. Has anyone heard of this, not yet passed, law that makes the governor King with the right to come into any city and replace the mayor and council by appointees if they feel it is being mismanaged?

That would actually be a good thing in the long run if it happened. I can just see these Tea Party people in a given city saying WTF happened?

Rachel's been on it for awhile, before Japan turned everyone's eyes overseas.

256 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:22:18pm

re: #252 Varek Raith

Nighty night.
:)

Since when do Sith sleep?

257 BryanS  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:22:28pm

re: #254 BryanS

From [Link: www.bbc.co.uk...] .

That's pretty high for a distance of 1000 ft away. Assuming containment (big assumption) we should expect radiation to reduce approximately 1/(4*Pi*distance^2).

This implies radiation levels of about 100 times higher at a distance of 30 meters, or 100ft from the reactor. About 2 hour of exposure at a distance of 100 feet from the plant would be enough to result in mild radiation poisoning, and about 8 hours of time would be enough to kill someone.

corrected....just showing that basically anyone left at that plant working on this disaster is on a suicide mission.

258 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:22:31pm

Sorry I just made an inane comment, thinking I was responding to Boyo. Oh well, time to lay off the booze.

259 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:23:02pm

re: #239 Floral Giraffe


just noticed a trend with dark falcon, I promise I wont ever mention dark talking about the stalkers again.

260 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:23:10pm

re: #258 Naso Tang

Or, drink more!

261 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:23:59pm

re: #260 Floral Giraffe

Or, drink more!

Now there is a solution I could drink to.

262 boxhead  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:24:25pm

Charles should a a page with just all the hate mail received like the original peta.org had. Of course that was People Eating Tasty Animals and not the other non fire ant killing folks. Great site... The owner lost one of the first, if not the first, domain name disputes.

263 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:24:50pm

re: #246 Naso Tang

You have a problem with keeping the light on places where most of us don't like to tread? Elaborate.

I dont have a problem with "with keeping the light on places where most of us don't like to tread?"

264 quiet reader  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:25:04pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

I did ignore them on Monday. And I didn't report on their doings today. And I also don't need to justify myself to you.

Unfortunately the people you write about are attention whores who feed on your comments, so your updates do have a negative aspect too.
Why give them the attention they desperately desire?

265 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:25:11pm

NHK feed

They're about to start with the police water truck. According to a Tepco spokesman, the vehicle will have to get within 30 meters to achieve the needed accuracy. I hope they've spent the intervening time welding as much lead to the cab as it will carry.

266 celticdragon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:25:12pm

re: #11 jaunte

The American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling. Of course, who knows what they get up to behind closed doors.

The geology parties involve a lot of beer being drank by men and women wearing blue jeans and flannel plaid shirts.

Good times.

267 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:26:31pm

re: #259 Boyo

The stalkers, are, what they are.
The banned. Stinky's whacked ones.
Not particularly dangerous, but they can get threatening.
Some very very sick folks are the stalkerz.
They can be scary, if they are hunting you.
Charles has the mad skillz, and lives in their heads.
The rest of us, well, keep an eye on them.
For safety.

268 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:26:50pm

re: #265 Shiplord Kirel

NHK feed

They're about to start with the police water truck. According to a Tepco spokesman, the vehicle will have to get within 30 meters to achieve the needed accuracy. I hope they've spent the intervening time welding as much lead to the cab as it will carry.

Uh, Japan? This is where all those robots would come in really handy...

269 sagehen  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:27:46pm

re: #237 BishopX

These reactors are going to melt down. It's really just a question of when, and how much time to prepare the government has.

Every hour they can delay the meltdown will save evacuuees, by letting more of them get further.

270 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:27:50pm

re: #260 Floral Giraffe

Or, drink more!

re: #263 Boyo

I dont have a problem with "with keeping the light on places where most of us don't like to tread?"

It sounded very clever to me, but I'll recheck it in the morning.

271 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:28:39pm

G'night lizoids.

Bestest Buds.

272 BishopX  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:29:03pm

re: #269 sagehen

It would help if the government told the evacuees that. The American and British experats are saying evacuate everyone within 50 miles. The Japanese are telling people to evacuate if they are within 12.

273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:29:15pm

Some people have a way with words... Others have ... not way.
-Steve Martin

274 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:29:18pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

You don't need to justify your actions to anyone, ever.
The end.

275 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:29:28pm

re: #269 sagehen

Every hour they can delay the meltdown will save evacuuees, by letting more of them get further.

Might help if they would tell people beyond 12m to gtfo.

276 BryanS  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:30:07pm

re: #269 sagehen

Every hour they can delay the meltdown will save evacuuees, by letting more of them get further.

Except the Japanese government is done with their evacuation orders up to 12 miles away and is not planning further evacuations at the moment. The US government is recommending US citizens move 50 miles away.

277 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:30:45pm

re: #249 prairiefire

To those who saved the World.

278 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:31:47pm

re: #203 Charles

I started playing the Mac OS version of Bioshock, but I got killed right away, after the lengthy opening movie.

May have to watch one of those YouTube walkthroughs just to get started with this one.

The beginning is pretty difficult. The wrench is all about dodge and strike, you will get hurt. The pistol is all about head shots. Press Z to zoom certain weapons. Electroshock enemies in water whenever possible. Use inferno to make them jump into the water.

The first couple of Big Daddies have a steep learning curve. For the first Bouncer version use hit and run tactics, lurk near a door and use armor piercing ammo, the inferno and electro shock plasmids. If he strikes the ground and slows you, hit him with the electro shock and lose him through several doors. Bouncers run like the wind so don't turn your back on 'em unless they're shocked and you're sure you can lose them, otherwise keep switching between the gun, inferno, and electroshock while backing away. You can often lose them by turning several corners while they're shocked. The first Rosie a bitch too. Attack long range, hit and run. Don't stay in line of sight for too long because they're pretty accurate with the rivet gun and their proximity mines hurt. Use telekinesis to throw explosive barrels and gas tanks for big damage. Use inferno for decent damage over time. Big Daddies don't run to water and aren't hurt too bad by being shocked in it. Big Daddies laugh at the wrench, don't even think about it.

Telekinesis doesn't use much EVE and causes a lot of damage if you throw heavy objects. You can use it to shield you from gunfire and throw dead enemies into live enemies. Things get a lot easier later on after you have get the grenade launcher with mines and the crossbow with trap bolts.

Always save the Little Sisters, never harvest. That way you will get the Hypnotize Big Daddy plasmid early, then can use them as bodyguards and pit them against each other. Once you get the research camera research everything. You can photo each enemy or Little Sister four times.

Don't trust Pete, stash some weapons in his office before going back in after finding the camera. I recommend not picking up the grenade launcher he offers until after you've sent all your weapons through the pneumo tube.

That should get you through the first couple of levels.

279 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:32:47pm

re: #259 Boyo

just noticed a trend with dark falcon, I promise I wont ever mention dark talking about the stalkers again.

You don't know the history of this...D_F will respond to their hate...Several years ago I was attacked and called every name in the book including being a Charity Whore and my web site with my phone number on it was trashed..( should have never posted my phone number on my Charity site..food4humanity.org)
I ignore those bastards for the hate.. But don't hold anything against his standing up to them...
You have no idea what has happened with them...And if he stands in the breach who the hell are you to say anything different? You have suffered no harm
I hope you understand

280 celticdragon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:32:56pm

re: #67 Talking Point Detective

Obviously, judging from the vocabulary and the deep logical analysis, the guy has at least two advanced degrees and is an avid reader of numerous technical science-related journals.

I'm looking forward to his peer reviewed paper in Geology...

///

281 sagehen  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:33:53pm

re: #272 BishopX

It would help if the government told the evacuees that. The American and British experats are saying evacuate everyone within 50 miles. The Japanese are telling people to evacuate if they are within 12.

Traffic management?

Trying to give them the benefit of the doubt here; "people in rows A-F should deplane first, the rest of you sit tight until then the aisle is clear."

282 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:34:43pm

re: #278 goddamnedfrank

Rosies gave me nightmares. God those things were tough.

283 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:36:06pm

re: #279 HoosierHoops

You don't know the history of this...D_F will respond to their hate...

What makes them pick on someone from here in particular? Is it responding or just random?

284 BryanS  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:36:15pm

re: #281 sagehen

Traffic management?

Trying to give them the benefit of the doubt here; "people in rows A-F should deplane first, the rest of you sit tight until then the aisle is clear."

No benefit of the doubt here...that 12 miles was done in about a day, and stragglers were rounded up over the subsequent days. They've told anyone within 20km (~12 miles) to evacuate and told everyone in 20-30km to lock themselves inside their homes.

285 BryanS  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:38:14pm

re: #283 Naso Tang

What makes them pick on someone from here in particular? Is it responding or just random?

[Link: www.clayloomis.com...]

Just don't look...It's got Paul Anka's guarantee.

286 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:38:39pm

re: #279 HoosierHoops

You don't know the history of this...D_F will respond to their hate...Several years ago I was attacked and called every name in the book including being a Charity Whore and my web site with my phone number on it was trashed..( should have never posted my phone number on my Charity site..food4humanity.org)
I ignore those bastards for the hate.. But don't hold anything against his standing up to them...
You have no idea what has happened with them...And if he stands in the breach who the hell are you to say anything different? You have suffered no harm
I hope you understand

totally understand...the only reason I know about them is from dark falcon mentioning them and the name of their site, I went there and nearly threw up at how they ridicule dark and lgf...I dont get why he would mention them constantly which only feeds into their stalker behavior ..but I promise Ill stay out of it I am no monitor of the internets,,,my bad dark

287 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:40:24pm

re: #250 researchok

And that's one big load of crazy.

It's...yeah, crazy works.

288 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:40:52pm

re: #267 Floral Giraffe

The stalkers, are, what they are.
The banned. Stinky's whacked ones.
Not particularly dangerous, but they can get threatening.
Some very very sick folks are the stalkerz.
They can be scary, if they are hunting you.
Charles has the mad skillz, and lives in their heads.
The rest of us, well, keep an eye on them.
For safety.

Very good stuff, Floral. Is that iambic pentameter?

[waves]

289 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:41:10pm

What a charming mail... I realize this thread has likely moved on a bit from the topic, but it is worth commenting on the frothing hatred of morons and the fact that little more than fear and blind hatred define the unreasoning right.

We have Rush chortling that the Japanese are facing a terrible calamity because they manufactured the prius.

We have GOP scum commenting that gangraped 11 year old girls were asking for it.

We have endless attacks of a personal nature against the first lady.

We have the wingnuts endless squealing like whiny children that they are somehow the oppressed ones because the left is "so much more mean."

And that is just it, we are dealing with delusional fools who have reverted to the worst of seventh grade. The proper response to them should be stop your whining, or I will give you something to whine about. The left has been gutless for too long.

290 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:42:00pm

re: #286 Boyo

Sorry for jumping on you, but you have to admit it is an interesting aspect of human psychology that can be tested first hand right here.

291 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:42:13pm

re: #282 JasonA

Rosies gave me nightmares. God those things were tough.

The first one kind of sucks, it's all about telekinesis bombs, inferno, and lots of running away. The Security Bullseye plasmid is a godsend for the rest, they don't register being hit with it as an attack. Lure them into view of a security camera and hit them with it, then photograph the action between them and the bots for big research scores. The queen Spider Splicer was my biggest pain, until I learned how to use Hypnotize Big Daddy.

292 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:42:30pm

re: #12 Boyo

what is it with wingnuts that each time they attack they tend to focus on homosexual acts being done to the person they are attacking?

For them gayness is the ultimate insult, largely because so many of them are deeply closeted and hate themselves.

293 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:42:52pm

re: #279 HoosierHoops

You don't know the history of this...D_F will respond to their hate...Several years ago I was attacked and called every name in the book including being a Charity Whore and my web site with my phone number on it was trashed..( should have never posted my phone number on my Charity site..food4humanity.org)
I ignore those bastards for the hate.. But don't hold anything against his standing up to them...
You have no idea what has happened with them...And if he stands in the breach who the hell are you to say anything different? You have suffered no harm
I hope you understand

Thanks, Hoops. I'm sorry you got put through that. The haters can really be hurtful sometimes.

294 Boyo  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:43:09pm

re: #290 Naso Tang

Sorry for jumping on you, but you have to admit it is an interesting aspect of human psychology that can be tested first hand right here.

no problem :)

and true that..

but I get the feeling they get off on all the attention :/

295 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:43:22pm

re: #286 Boyo

totally understand...the only reason I know about them is from dark falcon mentioning them and the name of their site, I went there and nearly threw up at how they ridicule dark and lgf...

Image: 2382.jpg

296 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:44:21pm

re: #289 LudwigVanQuixote

Hello, Ludwig. Glad we're on at the same time tonight.

297 sagehen  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:44:37pm

Does anybody here watch "The Event"?

I just watched this week's ep (hoorah for Hulu!), and... it's really unfortunate that this week's episode was scheduled for this week. Really, really unfortunate.

298 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:45:33pm

re: #283 Naso Tang

What makes them pick on someone from here in particular? Is it responding or just random?

Full disclosure.. My best friend on the blogs left here about about 3 years and went to the stalker site.. I was truly so upset I said some ugly things about her..Then wrote her an email and said I was so sorry and I will miss her so much...At that point I have been attacked non stop..
I just don't read the insults anymore.. I ignore them..
I don't care anymore...You just can't trash me this much anymore...I learned my lesson...If you leave here..I'm not saying crap..CYA! LOL

299 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:45:49pm

re: #257 BryanS

One thing to note is that the helos have to fly through the plumes, so they will have to fly through the isotope laced water droplets as well as through microscopic ash.

Thus the "radiation" level reported should not be thought to follow an inverse square law.

300 Bob Dillon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:46:48pm

re: #251 BishopX

From the design of these things - several GE scientists resigning in protest over them back in the beginning ... just that for starters is scary enough. I cannot imaging what it must be like trying to get the pumps going with so much working against them. I've been in a couple of shipboard emergencies, back in the Navy days, that were life threatening but we did not have to deal with radiation on top of it.

Sorry responses are slow - I'm on a train southbound thru central CA - its tough typing and my link is thru my Android ... which lost the connection.

301 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:47:56pm

re: #300 Bobibutu

From the design of these things - several GE scientists resigning in protest over them back in the beginning ... just that for starters is scary enough. I cannot imaging what it must be like trying to get the pumps going with so much working against them. I've been in a couple of shipboard emergencies, back in the Navy days, that were life threatening but we did not have to deal with radiation on top of it.

Sorry responses are slow - I'm on a train southbound thru central CA - its tough typing and my link is thru my Android ... which lost the connection.

Where are you bound?

302 quiet reader  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:48:34pm

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

There is a compromise solution, you could post a Page about what you observe at the hater's site. The comments section could be a lot of fun.

303 BryanS  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:49:49pm

re: #299 freetoken

One thing to note is that the helos have to fly through the plumes, so they will have to fly through the isotope laced water droplets as well as through microscopic ash.

Thus the "radiation" level reported should not be thought to follow an inverse square law.

The "big assumption" as I stated was that there actually was containment. I think Tokyo Electric is not being honest about the level of containment breaches...which means spewing radioactivity. Listening to TEPCO and the Japanese government, everything is ok, levels not dangerous to human health. They are claiming radiation levels of a few mSv/hr "at the plant".

304 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:50:04pm

re: #296 Dark_Falcon

Hello, Ludwig. Glad we're on at the same time tonight.

Glad to be here at the same time too.

re: #298 HoosierHoops

Hoops, they are delusional scum and they deserve to be called so. Honestly, it takes a special kind of pathetic for them to carry on like they do and follow us so slavishly. I would not be surprised if they have little shrines and voodoo dolls.

305 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:50:49pm

re: #289 LudwigVanQuixote

*big smooch*

306 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:51:05pm

So to change topics,

How is everyone finding Dragon Age II?

307 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:51:23pm

re: #305 Floral Giraffe

*big smooch*

Hey sweety!

308 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:52:21pm

Time for bed, and no nightcap.

309 Bob Dillon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:52:30pm

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

Del Mar SoCal

310 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:52:33pm

re: #292 LudwigVanQuixote

For them gayness is the ultimate insult, largely because so many of them are deeply closeted and hate themselves.

If you make them examine themselves, their heads will explode.
Self knowledge is just too hard!

311 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:52:41pm

re: #304 LudwigVanQuixote

Speaking of voodoo, when are we going to get a new science lesson?

312 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:53:23pm

re: #307 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey sweety!

Glad to catch up with you!
Hiya Hon!

313 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:53:26pm

re: #304 LudwigVanQuixote

Glad to be here at the same time too.

re: #298 HoosierHoops

Hoops, they are delusional scum and they deserve to be called so. Honestly, it takes a special kind of pathetic for them to carry on like they do and follow us so slavishly. I would not be surprised if they have little shrines and voodoo dolls.

My man!
There was somebody here the other night talking about Chess..I thought of you.. hope today finds you well

314 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:53:32pm

re: #311 CuriousLurker

Speaking of voodoo, when are we going to get a new science lesson?

What would you like it on?

315 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:54:25pm

re: #314 LudwigVanQuixote

What would you like it on?


I vote for effective laundry additives or boosters.

What?

316 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:54:48pm

re: #313 HoosierHoops

My man!
There was somebody here the other night talking about Chess..I thought of you.. hope today finds you well

Today finds me fabulous my friend.

I did some cool stuff at work - I've had a very big project going on for a little while now and unfortunately can't talk too much about it, but it is exciting work and satisfying.

317 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:55:06pm

re: #298 HoosierHoops

Hoops, some friends are not worth having.
Others take tine to develop into friendship.

318 Bob Dillon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:55:15pm

Yen Hits Record High After U.S. Warning on Reactor

By BETTINA WASSENER

HONG KONG — The Japanese stock market sank again Thursday morning and the yen hit a record high against the U.S. dollar after a U.S. nuclear official warned that the situation at a damaged reactor was more serious than Tokyo has acknowledged.

Ya think?

319 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:55:35pm

re: #314 LudwigVanQuixote

Sesame bagel? Toasted?
LOL!
///

320 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:55:50pm

re: #314 LudwigVanQuixote

What would you like it on?

Any thoughts on the reactor mess in Japan? You may have shared such thoughts earlier in the week, but I may not have read the thread they were on.

321 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:55:52pm

re: #315 researchok

I vote for effective laundry additives or boosters.

What?

Actually, I have one where we determine the elastic coefficient of your ass with my boot :)

322 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:56:19pm

re: #292 LudwigVanQuixote

For them gayness is the ultimate insult, largely because so many of them are deeply closeted and hate themselves.

COMMIE LIBZ R GAY!!1! I'M A STRAIGHT TEA-PARTYIN' CHRISTIAN!!! AND 2 PROVE IT I DESCRIBE ORAL AND ANAL BETWEEN MEN IN GRAPHIC DETAIL!!1!1!!

323 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:56:22pm

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

Any thoughts on the reactor mess in Japan? You may have shared such thoughts earlier in the week, but I may not have read the thread they were on.

I don't know that I have posted this week. I've been mad busy.

324 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:56:29pm

re: #321 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually, I have one where we determine the elastic coefficient of your ass with my boot :)

How very right of you.
//

325 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:56:53pm

re: #322 publicityStunted

Genius! How did you get the different font there?

326 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:57:20pm

re: #323 LudwigVanQuixote

GOOD! Keeps you out of trouble.
I hope Miss S is well?

327 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:57:37pm

re: #323 LudwigVanQuixote

I don't know that I have posted this week. I've been mad busy.

Understood. You insight would be welcome. Not the least given that this is going to throw a wrench into any plans to expand nuclear power anywhere.

328 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:57:44pm

re: #324 researchok

How very right of you.
//

Nah, I want to found a new hard left that does not suffer fools gladly.

BTW, of course you are a dear friend and I don't mean you.

329 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:58:04pm

re: #326 Floral Giraffe

GOOD! Keeps you out of trouble.
I hope Miss S is well?

Sleeping in the next room.

330 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:58:07pm

re: #321 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually, I have one where we determine the elastic coefficient of your ass with my boot :)

OUCH!

331 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:58:08pm

re: #309 Bobibutu

Del Mar SoCal

Cool, enjoy.

332 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:58:47pm

re: #328 LudwigVanQuixote

Nah, I want to found a new hard left that does not suffer fools gladly.

BTW, of course you are a dear friend and I don't mean you.

I wasn't worried for a minute.

Now just ignore the ticking noise...
//

333 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:59:01pm

re: #325 LudwigVanQuixote

Genius! How did you get the different font there?

Varek explains upthread: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

334 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:59:23pm

re: #314 LudwigVanQuixote

What would you like it on?

Hmmm, I dunno. I think just pick up wherever you left off. Actually, I don't even remember where you left off 'casue it's been a while.

335 calochortus  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:59:27pm

re: #147 polypam

I know what you mean. I've felt such despair this week seeing all the videos of the tsunami.

Me too, there just doesn't seem anything to say. I promise to 'pull up my socks' and make sure my husband sent in our contribution to the Red Cross. (We do occasionally get our signals crossed on these things...)

336 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 8:59:32pm

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

I really don't have any special insights into the mess that have not already likely been posted. Without much more detailed information about what is going on in the reactor, it is nearly impossible to say.

This is bad though.

The question is how bad.

337 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:00:32pm

re: #333 publicityStunted

Whoops wrong comment - this is the one: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Cool, eh? :) It was negativ's idea, and Charles made it so.

338 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:00:38pm

re: #334 CuriousLurker

Hmmm, I dunno. I think just pick up wherever you left off. Actually, I don't even remember where you left off 'casue it's been a while.

Last pure science one I wrote was about antimatter. However, I should likely do another one on the nature of scientific certainty.

339 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:00:59pm

re: #336 LudwigVanQuixote

Glad to see you, hope Miss S is well.
And you are as well.
Missed you.
*smooch*
Be well.

340 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:01:40pm

I'm outta here.
re: #338 LudwigVanQuixote

Last pure science one I wrote was about antimatter. However, I should likely do another one on the nature of scientific certainty.


Good idea.

That anti matter stuff was lightweight.

341 Bob Dillon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:02:37pm

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

Thx

342 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:03:16pm

re: #340 researchok

LVQ is my twin brother from another mother.

343 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:03:51pm

re: #328 LudwigVanQuixote

Nah, I want to found a new hard left that does not suffer fools gladly.

BTW, of course you are a dear friend and I don't mean you.

A left that did not suffer fools would have to rid itself of Pete Stark and Barbara Mikulski. The Dems are most unlikely to wean themselves of hacks, as any part will always have its share of fools and hacks.

You should also know that Bagua is blogstalking you. Again.

[waves to the Stalkers]

344 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:04:08pm

re: #340 researchok

I'm outta here.

Good idea.

That anti matter stuff was lightweight.

Just for you, next time, I'll include a quiz on the Dirac Equation ok?

Heck... I'll do it now...

What are the origins of the gamma matrices and how do they relate to spin?

345 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:05:03pm

re: #338 LudwigVanQuixote

Last pure science one I wrote was about antimatter. However, I should likely do another one on the nature of scientific certainty.

Oh, yeah—that would be great! A few months back I saw something and thought of you, but then you pulled a Houdini and now I don;t really remember what it was, but I think it had to do with an incorrect dictionary definition of theory that I saw...I remember you talking about how a theory isn't just some sort of wild guess.

346 quiet reader  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:05:23pm

re: #325 LudwigVanQuixote

On an earlier thread someone was asking why wasn't all the water blown out of the holding tanks that were storing the spent fuel rods. I believe that this is right up your alley.

347 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:05:32pm

re: #344 LudwigVanQuixote

What are the origins of the gamma matrices and how do they relate to spin?

Are you referring to the C Clavin lecture?

348 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:05:40pm

re: #338 LudwigVanQuixote

Last pure science one I wrote was about antimatter. However, I should likely do another one on the nature of scientific certainty.

Well, some progress on the science front for me. I'm learning LaTex with my father. It's word processing program used to write math papers, as my father is starting work on a math paper. He turns 71 this month, but is only getting more active.

349 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:08:12pm

re: #347 researchok

As in Cliff Clavin...

350 Bear  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:09:33pm

Kyodo News reporting that ceiling of number 4 reduced to frame. Earlier on they mentioned reactors number 5 and 6 having some cooling problems. Anyone know if the reactors 5 and 6 are at the same location as 1,2,3,and4 or at another place?

351 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:09:44pm

re: #344LudwigVanQuixote

You're the bestest.
Hang in there.
The pseudoscience challenges are only going to rise.
Beat them back with actual science!
As, only you, can.

352 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:10:01pm

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

A left that did not suffer fools would have to rid itself of Pete Stark and Barbara Mikulski. The Dems are most unlikely to wean themselves of hacks, as any part will always have its share of fools and hacks.

You should also know that Bagua is blogstalking you. Again.

[waves to the Stalkers]

Bagua is always blog stalking me, ever since he was outed as a liar and a fraud on science matters multiple times.

I love how he used to go on and on about how nothing is ever certain in science, and that no predictive models are certain.

Outside of the the trivial philosophical nonsense like this could all be a dream and nothing is real, what kind of a deluded mental midget thinks such things? I remember the time I crushed him about certainties.

Take the orbit of the Earth around the sun. This was a mathematically motivated model of reality that was posited by Copernicus because it was vastly more elegant then epicycles.

It took Kepler, Galileo and Newton to put the full theory and observation together.

Does he deny that this is a 100% certain picture of reality? OF course he does without realizing it.

Then there was that paper he kept going on and on about that was retracted by the authors - even after it was retracted and dozens of counter examples were brought up. The man is an utter fool with delusions of grandeur. I would pity him if I didn't know he had a little shrine to me that he sacrificed kittens at every night.

353 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:10:55pm

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

Well, some progress on the science front for me. I'm learning LaTex with my father. It's word processing program used to write math papers, as my father is starting work on a math paper. He turns 71 this month, but is only getting more active.

Ohhh trust me, I know tex... You use either that or math type to make your papers.

354 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:12:22pm

re: #352 LudwigVanQuixote

Bagua was nice enough to support me, but he's NOT a scientist like you are.
Weak arguments = FAIL.
LVQ is a proven scientist.
2.0 is weak.

355 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:12:32pm

re: #344 LudwigVanQuixote

Here's something I found earlier that definitely offers food for thought - I realize it's more about geology, but perhaps you could comment on the accuracy of how they relate it to AGW?

Seismic Activity; Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Glaciers, and Drilling

356 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:13:03pm

re: #353 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh trust me, I know tex... You use either that or math type to make your papers.

It just occurred to me you probably can do many, many math functions in your head.

Bastard.
/

357 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:13:10pm

re: #346 quiet reader

On an earlier thread someone was asking why wasn't all the water blown out of the holding tanks that were storing the spent fuel rods. I believe that this is right up your alley.

I really don't have enough information about the details to begin to speculate.

358 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:14:35pm

re: #355 publicityStunted

I'll give it a read..

359 Bob Dillon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:14:54pm

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

Ha! - your dad has me by three years and is inspiring. I just started a physics and cosmology course to come back up to speed.

360 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:15:11pm

re: #357 LudwigVanQuixote

I am happy to be on LGF with you.
It is sleepy time, now.
Be well, Dear Sir.

361 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:15:57pm

re: #360 Floral Giraffe

I am happy to be on LGF with you.
It is sleepy time, now.
Be well, Dear Sir.

Have pleasant dreams!

362 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:16:13pm

re: #352 LudwigVanQuixote

Ooh, ooh, ooh! Speaking of certainty, there was a pretty interesting discussion going on in one of Bob's pages about 10 days ago. I was really hoping you'd make an appearance, but alas...

Here's the page: Why information can't be the basis of reailty

363 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:17:18pm

LVQ- Is it possible oil drilling in high concentrations and frequency can cause earthquakes?

Shiplord Kirel posted on that.

364 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:17:55pm

re: #356 researchok

It just occurred to me you probably can do many, many math functions in your head.

Bastard.
/

Math. Ugh.

365 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:18:37pm

re: #364 CuriousLurker

Math. Ugh.

We understand each other.

366 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:19:54pm

re: #361 LudwigVanQuixote

One of the nicest things about you, is your generosity.
Generous people are few & far between.
And a pleasure to find.
*smooch*

367 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:20:16pm

re: #354 Floral Giraffe

Bagua was nice enough to support me, but he's NOT a scientist like you are.
Weak arguments = FAIL.
LVQ is a proven scientist.
2.0 is weak.

To be entirely fair, Bagua is not a blanket hater. There are only a few people he targets (in ascending level of hate): Charles himself, Ludwig, Jimmah, and Iceweasel. But towards those people he can be quite nasty and his attacks on Iceweasel are far beyond the pale. Bagua, if you read this. I hope you change your ways. And if you truly do want to show your decency, then stop posting that anti-Iceweasel link. Because all else is just words as long as you keep posting it.

(I will not describe that link or its contents. It's horrid, and I'll leave it at that.)

368 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:20:37pm

Still trying to work through all those photos whose link Gus posted...

But it's time to rant again about the stupid, stupid media - photo 3 has a caption that reads:

A radiation detector marks 0.6 microsieverts, exceeding normal day data, March 15, 2011, near Shibuya train station in Tokyo.

No. That meter reads 0.6 microsieverts per hour, and from that meter face implies they are measuring cesium 137.

It's like the difference between miles, and mph - big difference.

Furthermore, the "sievert" is a unit that tries to include the impact of the human body... it's an interpretation, in other words, and not the same thing as the "Gray", which is the actual physical measurement.

369 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:20:56pm

re: #365 researchok

We understand each other.

YES. I'm okay with the basics, but that's about it. The mere sight of a spreadsheet makes me nauseous. And when I hit the math stuff programming PHP? I just curl up into a fetal position and start whimpering.

370 GirlyMan  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:21:14pm

Ha, yeah you must be doing something right.

371 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:21:47pm

re: #364 CuriousLurker

Math. Ugh.

I used to think that way. Then I gained a better understanding of its utility.

372 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:22:13pm

re: #363 researchok

LVQ- Is it possible oil drilling in high concentrations and frequency can cause earthquakes?

Shiplord Kirel posted on that.

I could easily imagine a situation where you have a big pool of oil under the ground that gets drained very rapidly. You now have a big empty space with a lot of weight on top of it. A collapse would seem likely.

As to drilling causing the major Earthquakes that come from plates grinding against each other, I doubt that sincerely.

373 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:22:29pm

With all the homoerotic inquiries, me thinks the gentleman caller is just a wee bit curious.

374 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:23:51pm

re: #371 Dark_Falcon

I used to think that way. Then I gained a better understanding of its utility.

Oh, I know it's very, very useful, but it's...not my friend. I try to keep it in my head, but it just gets all mixed up & dribbles right back out.

375 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:24:04pm

re: #368 freetoken

re: #364 CuriousLurker

re: #365 researchok

Perhaps my next page should be on what exactly radiation is and its different varieties and what makes it harmful and in what dosages - all the stuff you learn in rad safety certification...

376 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:24:15pm

re: #371 Dark_Falcon

I used to think that way. Then I gained a better understanding of its utility.

My appreciation of math occurred when I realized exact change speeds things up.

Einstein was right.

377 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:24:24pm

re: #372 LudwigVanQuixote

Water and natural gas drilling has been accused... probably because those types of wells are either more common or drilled more intensely per area (in the case of natural gas.)

The creating of dams and their lakes have been directly implicated in causing problems.

378 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:24:45pm

I found this on TVTropes. I think this is awesome. I hope I don't offend anyone.

Youtube Video
379 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:24:52pm

re: #373 Amory Blaine

With all the homoerotic inquiries, me thinks the gentleman caller is just a wee bit curious.

You just think that way cause you're gay!!!11

380 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:24:57pm

re: #375 LudwigVanQuixote

I'll be happy if people can just get amount and rate straight.

381 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:25:08pm

re: #374 CuriousLurker

Oh, I know it's very, very useful, but it's...not my friend. I try to keep it in my head, but it just gets all mixed up & dribbles right back out.

Tell me you aren't a bank teller.

382 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:25:27pm

re: #375 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #364 CuriousLurker

re: #365 researchok

Perhaps my next page should be on what exactly radiation is and its different varieties and what makes it harmful and in what dosages - all the stuff you learn in rad safety certification...

Yes, please. That would be topical and useful.

383 Bear  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:26:07pm

re: #372 LudwigVanQuixote

In the South SF Bay area pumping of ground water caused ground subsidence of as I recall eleven feet. Then injection of water from deep wells at the Rockey Mountain Arny Base caused minor earthquakes there.

384 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:26:19pm

re: #372 LudwigVanQuixote

It's hard to pull myself away.
*smooch*
Good night now.

385 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:26:25pm

re: #380 freetoken

I'll be happy if people can just get amount and rate straight.

The amount of GOP craziness continues to increase at an alarming rate.

386 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:27:26pm

re: #369 CuriousLurker

re: #365 researchok

Unfortunately many people feel that way and as a result are easily conned about scientific, medical and financial matters. The entire credit and housing and for that matter, political industry is based on the fact that people refuse to do mathematics.

I understand how many had terrible teachers who only confused matters and mede perfectly normal kids feel dumb. This is because we don't teach math correctly - because we refuse to pay enough money to have enough of the right teachers teaching it.

However, you really can learn it, and you really must learn it, or you will forever be at the mercy of endless charlatans.

387 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:27:28pm

re: #385 publicityStunted

The amount of GOP craziness continues to increase at an alarming rate.

A lot like global warming.

388 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:27:31pm

re: #375 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #364 CuriousLurker

re: #365 researchok

Perhaps my next page should be on what exactly radiation is and its different varieties and what makes it harmful and in what dosages - all the stuff you learn in rad safety certification...

NO. I want you to explain the nature of reality and why we even exist. //

Seriously though, whatever you want to teach us is fine with me.

389 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:28:21pm

re: #377 freetoken

Water and natural gas drilling has been accused... probably because those types of wells are either more common or drilled more intensely per area (in the case of natural gas.)

The creating of dams and their lakes have been directly implicated in causing problems.

Which only makes sense. You suddenly have billions of tons stacked up on ground that was not supporting that load before.

390 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:28:22pm

re: #381 researchok

Tell me you aren't a bank teller.

LOL, no, I'm not. I wouldn't last a week.

391 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:28:42pm

re: #386 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #365 researchok

Unfortunately many people feel that way and as a result are easily conned about scientific, medical and financial matters. The entire credit and housing and for that matter, political industry is based on the fact that people refuse to do mathematics.

I understand how many had terrible teachers who only confused matters and mede perfectly normal kids feel dumb. This is because we don't teach math correctly - because we refuse to pay enough money to have enough of the right teachers teaching it.

However, you really can learn it, and you really must learn it, or you will forever be at the mercy of endless charlatans.

I'm not that bad- but I always rely on calculators of varying kind.

Financial calculators are my friends.

392 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:29:37pm

re: #388 CuriousLurker

NO. I want you to explain the nature of reality and why we even exist.

Tacky plastic crap and reality shows won't make themselves, you know... /

393 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:30:18pm

re: #386 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #365 researchok

Unfortunately many people feel that way and as a result are easily conned about scientific, medical and financial matters. The entire credit and housing and for that matter, political industry is based on the fact that people refuse to do mathematics.

I understand how many had terrible teachers who only confused matters and mede perfectly normal kids feel dumb. This is because we don't teach math correctly - because we refuse to pay enough money to have enough of the right teachers teaching it.

However, you really can learn it, and you really must learn it, or you will forever be at the mercy of endless charlatans.

Yeah, I get the distinct impression that my poor math skills aren't helping when it comes to credit cards & stuff.

394 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:30:34pm

re: #383 Bear

In the South SF Bay area pumping of ground water caused ground subsidence of as I recall eleven feet. Then injection of water from deep wells at the Rockey Mountain Arny Base caused minor earthquakes there.

I completely believe that. In the context of the quake that caused the tsunami though, which is what I thought the context was, I don't see the effect being that large.

395 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:31:10pm

re: #388 CuriousLurker

NO. I want you to explain the nature of reality and why we even exist. //

That's the Marshall Berman-Francis Fukayama divide, in a way.

396 sagehen  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:31:38pm

re: #372 LudwigVanQuixote

I could easily imagine a situation where you have a big pool of oil under the ground that gets drained very rapidly. You now have a big empty space with a lot of weight on top of it. A collapse would seem likely.

As to drilling causing the major Earthquakes that come from plates grinding against each other, I doubt that sincerely.

How about melting glaciers/ice caps, and a pile of weight removed from one end of a plate?

397 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:31:42pm

re: #392 publicityStunted

Tacky plastic crap and reality shows won't make themselves, you know... /

Hahahahaha!

398 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:32:06pm

re: #395 researchok

That's the Marshall Berman-Francis Fukayama divide, in a way.

O_o

399 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:32:28pm

Sir Hoopster, should send me a mail.
Please.

400 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:32:39pm

re: #393 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I get the distinct impression that my poor math skills aren't helping when it comes to credit cards & stuff.

Seriously, get a financial calculator or use on online. Be disciplined about it.

You'll find it to be an invaluable tool.

401 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:34:06pm

re: #393 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I get the distinct impression that my poor math skills aren't helping when it comes to credit cards & stuff.

Something interesting for you to think about...

Sum up all the minimum payments on your CC and calculate how much it would take you to pay off the debt, with the interest they keep piling on. Compare that sum to the amount of the original debt. If you do the math correctly, you will find that they have it worked out to appx 1000-2000% profit depending on your rates.

402 Bear  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:34:19pm

re: #394 LudwigVanQuixote

That would be correct I am certain. And yes the filling of lakes behind dams can and often does cause deformation of the area. Just the opposite of the elastic rebound that resulted from melting of ice sheets.

403 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:34:23pm

re: #393 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I get the distinct impression that my poor math skills aren't helping when it comes to credit cards & stuff.

Interest: Thems that understand it, earn it. Thems that don't, pay it.

404 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:34:43pm

re: #400 researchok

Seriously, get a financial calculator or use on online. Be disciplined about it.

You'll find it to be an invaluable tool.

Yeah, but you have to know the mathematical formulas in order for a calculator to be useful. Those are what dribble out of my head. They make my brain hurt.

405 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:34:43pm

re: #391 researchok

I'm not that bad- but I always rely on calculators of varying kind.

Financial calculators are my friends.

May I propose the following behavioral experiment? It involves how you would act if suddenly forced to supplant an express checkout cashier, in Walmart, during a door-crasher sale, and the computerized cash register was deliberately rigged to give incorrect change :P

406 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:34:51pm

re: #396 sagehen

How about melting glaciers/ice caps, and a pile of weight removed from one end of a plate?

THAT is a huge issue. As the glaciers go, the plates will rise and there will be terrible earthquakes from that.

407 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:34:54pm

re: #400 researchok

Dave Ramsey.
Do not ever use credit, and he shows you how to get out of debt.
It's not pretty, but it's good.

408 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:35:12pm

re: #399 Floral Giraffe

Sir Hoopster, should send me a mail.
Please.

Could you ping me? I think I lost your email..I get about about 500 emails a day and I delete so many addresses.. Love ya hon!

409 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:35:36pm

re: #398 CuriousLurker

O_o

In a nutshell- Fukuyama believes progress comes from moving forward and retaining what is best from the past.

Berman believes in radical change and throwing away all vestiges of the past.

Our meaning and purpose is very differently understood by each of them.

410 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:35:50pm

re: #405 publicityStunted

May I propose the following behavioral experiment? It involves how you would act if suddenly forced to supplant an express checkout cashier, in Walmart, during a door-crasher sale, and the computerized cash register was deliberately rigged to give incorrect change :P

Pull out my mad change skillz from my days working fast food.

Seriously. I can count change correctly.

411 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:36:44pm

re: #404 CuriousLurker

Yeah, but you have to know the mathematical formulas in order for a calculator to be useful. Those are what dribble out of my head. They make my brain hurt.

Think, "I will read the manual or read the online instructions".

412 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:37:18pm

re: #401 LudwigVanQuixote

Something interesting for you to think about...

Sum up all the minimum payments on your CC and calculate how much it would take you to pay off the debt, with the interest they keep piling on. Compare that sum to the amount of the original debt. If you do the math correctly, you will find that they have it worked out to appx 1000-2000% profit depending on your rates.

*sobs* Yeah, they have to tell you now on the statement "if you make the minimum payment, it'll take you 10 years to pay it off. If you make payments of XX, it'll only take you 3 years." Or something like that.

413 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:37:30pm

re: #407 Floral Giraffe

GIve Hoops my mail too when you ping him.

414 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:37:43pm

re: #403 EmmmieG

Interest: Thems that understand it, earn it. Thems that don't, pay it.

QFT

415 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:38:52pm

re: #405 publicityStunted

May I propose the following behavioral experiment? It involves how you would act if suddenly forced to supplant an express checkout cashier, in Walmart, during a door-crasher sale, and the computerized cash register was deliberately rigged to give incorrect change :P

And that is why we have the right to bear arms.
//

416 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:39:15pm

re: #408 HoosierHoops

Done.
Hope Winston is Rocking?

417 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:39:55pm

re: #413 LudwigVanQuixote

GIve Hoops my mail too when you ping him.

Oops, missed that.
Next time?

418 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:40:03pm

re: #405 publicityStunted

May I propose the following behavioral experiment? It involves how you would act if suddenly forced to supplant an express checkout cashier, in Walmart, during a door-crasher sale, and the computerized cash register was deliberately rigged to give incorrect change :P

I don't know what would happen, but I know I would not want to be anywhere near it.

419 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:41:52pm

re: #417 Floral Giraffe

Oops, missed that.
Next time?

NO problem..

420 researchok  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:42:34pm

Alright, I'm out of here.

I'm having way too much fun.

LVQ, CL, DF you're in charge in my absence.

Please make sure publicityStunted gets the right chage.

Manana, all.

421 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:43:32pm

re: #409 researchok

In a nutshell- Fukuyama believes progress comes from moving forward and retaining what is best from the past.

Berman believes in radical change and throwing away all vestiges of the past.

Our meaning and purpose is very differently understood by each of them.

I don't think we can really throw away all vestiges of the past. How?

re: #411 researchok

Think, "I will read the manual or read the online instructions".

Oh, they come with instructions? Who knew? But the instructions are gonna have lots of numbers and stuff, right?

Actually I used to quite enjoy algebra in high school (hated geometry). Never studied any math higher than those.

422 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:43:49pm

re: #413 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #408 HoosierHoops

Love to you all.
Must get some sleep.
*smooch, softly, where you want it*
Floral

423 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:45:05pm

re: #420 researchok

Alright, I'm out of here.

I'm having way too much fun.

LVQ, CL, DF you're in charge in my absence.

Please make sure publicityStunted gets the right chage.

Manana, all.

Nite. We'll keep an eye on pS.

424 IngisKahn  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:45:32pm

re: #350 Bear

Kyodo News reporting that ceiling of number 4 reduced to frame. Earlier on they mentioned reactors number 5 and 6 having some cooling problems. Anyone know if the reactors 5 and 6 are at the same location as 1,2,3,and4 or at another place?

5 and 6 are about 1500 feet to the north.

425 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:45:57pm

re: #8 Charles

Evolution - don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

Only someone who likes buttsecs would say that.

/

426 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:46:08pm

re: #408 HoosierHoops

Could you ping me? I think I lost your email..I get about about 500 emails a day and I delete so many addresses.. Love ya hon!

Thanks for the ping! I'll email you in the morning...
Time for bed..You guys will not believe this I got an email from Roger Goddell of the NFL and Mario Rubio from Florida..Why do people hate me? LOL

427 IngisKahn  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:49:05pm

re: #424 IngisKahn

5 and 6 are about 1500 feet to the north.

BTW, bing maps has photos from right after the tsunami, comparing that to google maps is interesting.

[Link: www.bing.com...]

428 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:49:56pm

re: #426 HoosierHoops

Thanks for the ping! I'll email you in the morning...
Time for bed..You guys will not believe this I got an email from Roger Goddell of the NFL and Mario Rubio from Florida..Why do people hate me? LOL

If we're on at the same time tomorrow, tell me what the email says.

Sleep well.

429 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:50:42pm

re: #426 HoosierHoops

I am not holding my breath..
But, it'd be nice!

430 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:50:55pm

Gah! What the hell—it's almost 1:00 am already?? The Little Green Wormhole strikes again. I've gotta get outta here.

Have a great night, everyone!

431 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:51:34pm

The thing about Bagua that I don't miss though was the endless sniveling twostep. The man had a pathological need to bee seen as reasonable even after he had come out with the most outrageous lies. He wold snivel and amble and twist and out and out lie about what he had said. Eventually he became a laughing sock for it.

It was called the Douchebagua twostep.

Like nothing was ever certain in science...

What about the Earth's orbiting the sun...

I never denied that!

You said NOTHING was certain!

That is a law not some theory based on flawed data!

It's a theory based on good data! A law is just a really well established theory or definition. It is also a law that energy is conserved. If you trap more sunlight, you must get warmer.

That is a leftist hoax! You are twisting my words! You are not a scientist! NO scientist ever says anything is 100% certain!

What about the Earth orbiting the Sun?

I am so oppressed! Charles Ludwig is being mean again! Make him stop! (cries , pouts, becomes a stalker....)


Such a moron.

432 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:52:05pm

re: #429 Floral Giraffe

I am not holding my breath..
But, it'd be nice!

check your email floral

433 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:55:05pm

re: #431 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, science is hard and doing it right means an ability to accept being contradicted. He has a hard time with that. So do I, to be fair.

434 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:56:48pm

re: #420 researchok

Please make sure publicityStunted gets the right chage.

No problem, I lucked out and found it lying on the floor ;) Night everyone!

P.S. re: #431 LudwigVanQuixote

Don't forget this - one of his slimiest moves ever, it not the slimiest...

435 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:57:29pm

re: #432 HoosierHoops

Heh!

436 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:58:29pm

re: #431 LudwigVanQuixote

Sucks to be a douche!

437 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:03:58pm

re: #434 publicityStunted

No problem, I lucked out and found it lying on the floor ;) Night everyone!

P.S. re: #431 LudwigVanQuixote

Don't forget this - one of his slimiest moves ever, it not the slimiest...

Ohhh douchebagua was always the slimiest and silliest of regressed idiots. That is rally the thing about him, the slime factor. He tired so hard to convince folks that he was their friend, just like that creepy kid that you knew you needed to stay away from and then five years later found out he was arrested for sodomizing goats.

The entertaining thing is how much he values himself based on trying to claim I am not a scientist or that he is somehow smarter than me. Imagining that his fourth grade understanding of science bested me is the root of his fractured ego. I am his benchmark for success in all things. He obsesses about my dating life. He obsesses over every post I make.

He's just a creep, who I realize wishes could be me frankly. And he wonders why I would never give him my CV... Interesting.

438 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:06:16pm

re: #433 Dark_Falcon

Well, science is hard and doing it right means an ability to accept being contradicted. He has a hard time with that. So do I, to be fair.

It means having the ability to accept data and do math. These are two things that the douche is incapable of. He's basically retarded.

And don't even get me started on his obsession with ice.

I would not be surprised if he had a web crush on her and got that way when she rejected him in exactly the same way any girl would reject the smelly weird kid who comes on in smarmy and clumsy ways, while thinking he is a big operator.

439 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:09:33pm

re: #438 LudwigVanQuixote

So nice to have you back.
*smooch*
The obsessors, are sick, and will remain so.
Be safe, be happy, be well.

440 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:10:56pm

re: #439 Floral Giraffe

So nice to have you back.
*smooch*
The obsessors, are sick, and will remain so.
Be safe, be happy, be well.

I adore you too babe.

But alas, it is late and I must sign off.

441 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:14:13pm

Goodnight, all.

442 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:18:54pm

re: #440 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

Sleep tight. Rest well.
*be well*

443 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:22:35pm

Bagua had no redeeming qualities. None, nada. Whoever remembers him "well" ?? WTF

444 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:28:49pm

Forecast for Plume's Path Is a Function of Wind and Weather

Animation at link.

445 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:32:49pm

Off topic, but supposedly the rebels in the eastern part of Libya "found" a weapons cache.

If true, I think this is less about a weapons cache being found, and more of some country "misplacing" some weapons.

446 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:33:08pm

re: #444 ozbloke

Forecast for Plume's Path Is a Function of Wind and Weather

Animation at link.

For the Japanese that's what I would call a real "Divine Wind."

447 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:35:17pm

re: #446 JasonA

For the Japanese that's what I would call a real "Divine Wind."

True.

448 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:37:42pm

I don't have a link to a clip, but yesterday I saw an old lady interviewed, who was driving when the tsunami hit.

The tsunami picked up her car and pushed it through a third floor window in an apartment building, it saved her life.

Amazing stories of survival.

449 tnguitarist  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:45:45pm

I've watched that Limbaugh clips a few times now. The one where he's mocking the Japanese. What a scumbag.

450 abolitionist  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:47:47pm

re: #350 Bear

Kyodo News reporting that ceiling of number 4 reduced to frame. Earlier on they mentioned reactors number 5 and 6 having some cooling problems. Anyone know if the reactors 5 and 6 are at the same location as 1,2,3,and4 or at another place?

Units 5 and 6 are next to each other and (I'm guessing) about a half mile Northeast of Units 1,2,3,4 according to older versions of the graphics that had been posted here. [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

They would also be near the shoreline.

451 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:50:25pm

Chinese Food

Youtube Video
452 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:50:40pm

Well this sucks. If the disaster had waited a decade or so I'm sure the Japanese would have giant robots to deal with this problem.

453 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:50:52pm

re: #450 abolitionist

Not as far as a half mile. They are of course suffering from the power loss also... but fortunately they were shut down for maintenance.

454 DaddyLawBucks  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:59:16pm

Assuming that they can get the broken reactor cores buried under a pile of concrete, does anyone know how long that core will stay dangerously radioactive?

455 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:03:22pm

re: #444 ozbloke

Forecast for Plume's Path Is a Function of Wind and Weather

Animation at link.

The pacific ocean gets a rather large dose.

I'd expect a lot of mutated fish, crustaceans, molluscs, cnidarians, etc. There may be an evolutionary radiation in the plankton food web. Especially in organisms with lifecycles that complete in days or hours.

456 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:06:11pm

re: #454 daddylawbucks

There are no stable isotopes of U. U238 though has a half life of almost 5 billion years so it's not very radioactive. U235 has a half life in the hundreds of millions of years. U234 has a half life of less than a million years and is thus very radioactive. Accelerated fissioning, by concentrating U so whenever an nucleus decays the daughter products will hit another U nucleus (the goal of both weapons and power supply) brings about chain reactions... however the U235/U234 concentration in power rods is so low to keep the chain reaction from turning into an explosion. Other daughter products (such as Cs, I, etc.) are radioactive on much shorter scales.

So, in practical terms the used rods are a problem for a long time. Which is why Yucca Mt. project has to plan for thousands of years.

457 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:07:21pm

Hey all,

I just went thru my Junk Mail folder. Amazing what is in there that isn't junk . .

How is everyone?

458 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:08:49pm

My eyes pretty much glaze over on the 2nd sentence of any writing about nuclear anything.

I just don't have the basic knowledge as a background to understand.

I also have a feeling that 90% of the population is like me.

459 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:08:49pm

Horrible, or good. I'm not sure yet.

460 DaddyLawBucks  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:12:34pm

re: #456 freetoken

So basically, they are going to need a mini Yucca facility right there?

461 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:18:51pm

They could use some sort of sarcophagus. It would have to be better than the first version at Chernobyl though.

462 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:19:00pm

re: #460 daddylawbucks

This is the achilles heel of nuclear power, as developed since WWII - Storage of the waste. Those Fukushima reactors have old rods still there because there is no where else to put them.

One can recycle them, of course, and pull out just the U238 (to be used as a heavy metal to make bullets, etc.), and pull out the various short lived isotopes of various elements for medical and other uses, but apparently these latter needs are well met by the few reactors commercially in the business of supplying such products.

463 DaddyLawBucks  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:20:44pm

Not to be naive, but you can't just dump the hot stuff in a deep ocean area?

464 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:21:20pm

re: #462 freetoken

We need to significantly increase the demand for really huge bullets. /

465 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:21:23pm

re: #463 daddylawbucks

Heh, that's what a certain candidate from Oregon in the last election proposes...

466 DaddyLawBucks  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:24:44pm

Based on what you have explained, I take it that the site of the broken reactors is going to be a sort of monument to this disaster for at least a century, with the hot core elements buried in concrete.

467 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:29:34pm

re: #466 daddylawbucks

Well, when contained in water the rods' heat is carried away by the water, so the rods don't melt. The rods are clad so they don't dissolve in the normally pure (not salt) water, too.

When the rods melt they will of course vaporize the metal slowly, so the air gets filled with minute particles of the material, which gets carried in the air and lands here and there, wherever the wind blows.

However, long term storage of nuclear waste has always been an issue, one we tend to ignore... until it comes back to bite us in the ass.

468 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:29:38pm

re: #463 daddylawbucks

I don't know the chemistry of uranium + seawater at all. I'd imagine it wouldn't stay put though. Seawater is very corrosive with a ton of various ions to interact with.

It wouldn't be good to just play with the global ecosystem like that, IMO. It might bioaccumulate in various populations if it started spreading, possibly in some food species. Even if it did stay put, who knows what kind of damage it would do in the immediate ecosystem.

469 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:33:16pm

re: #468 prononymous

Yes, that they are using seawater indicates they have given up saving the plant. The high temperature will accelerate the corrosion of pretty much any metal or material. All they are trying to do now is avert a disaster.

BTW, I wouldn't worry about polluting the sea with radioactive isotopes. The ocean already contains vastly more U and Th than what is at Fukushima.

470 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:38:39pm

re: #469 freetoken

Yes, though the existing radioisotopes are spread over a massive volume. Couldn't this release have very high concentration in localized areas?

471 DaddyLawBucks  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:42:52pm

It seems that above ground storage for substantial time periods ( you are talking decades? ) is going to be a problem, especially in an earthquake area. That's why "dumping" the rods into deep ocean seemed like an alternative. That glowing fish issue is a problem........

472 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:43:19pm

re: #470 prononymous

Any soluble compounds of U, Th, Cs, or I will quickly be spread around millions of cubic miles of ocean water. There is a strong current heading northward along the Japanese eastern coast.

473 DaddyLawBucks  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:47:38pm

Are the reactor waste products stuff that could be used to make nukes? Or is it just dangerous because of the radiation?

474 DaddyLawBucks  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:50:56pm

good night

475 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:53:34pm

re: #472 freetoken

Okay, true enough about the current. Hopefully it will disperse it before significant accumulation. Though we should keep in mind that anything planktonic moves along with whatever is dissolved in the current. Especially non-motile organisms such as diatoms.

476 freetoken  Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:54:51pm

re: #473 daddylawbucks

If one fires a proton at a U nucleus you get Pt... normally the decay products in rods for power plants would only have microscopic amounts of Pt.

However, the rods all told (and there are thousands of them in Japan) probably have enough U234/U235 to make a uranium bomb... something that is always an issue. As such, security around nuke plants is supposed to prevent theft.

Many years ago I was driving through the desert in Imperial county here in California, on a deserted back road, and I came upon a slow moving small convoy made up of one semi and two CHP vehicles. The semi was hauling a large (and obviously heavy) container made out of metal. It didn't take me long to figure out what it was - nuclear material. They let me pass quickly. Hauling such material is a risk - what if someone had hijacked said shipment... drove to Lake Mead, set off a conventional bomb to destroy the container, and then put the contents into the water? The water supply for millions of people would have been contaminated.

There's always a risk.

477 abolitionist  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 12:38:38am

re: #476 freetoken

At least some of the Units at Fukushima Daiichi were using MOX - recycled Pu added into the fuel rods, initially at Unit 3, according to this story from Sep 2010. [Link: nuclearstreet.com...]

478 freetoken  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 12:47:02am

re: #477 abolitionist

I've seem some other posters mention the MOX, but the Japanese broadcasts seem strangely silent on it.

479 abolitionist  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 12:49:06am

There's a good pic of the site there too. Units 5&6 are shown in relation to the others, altho none are labeled.

480 Jimmah  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 2:42:47am

re: #354 Floral Giraffe

Bagua was nice enough to support me, but he's NOT a scientist like you are.
Weak arguments = FAIL.
LVQ is a proven scientist.
2.0 is weak.

Bagua is a pathological liar and a mentally deranged stalker with a very disturbing obsession with my wife (and Charles, and LVQ).

If he 'compliments' or 'supports' anyone on LGF, it's for the sole purpose of trying to stir up shit here between commenters. It's not 'being nice' - it's part of his disease.

481 Jimmah  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 2:45:45am

re: #443 Stanley Sea

Bagua had no redeeming qualities. None, nada. Whoever remembers him "well" ?? WTF

WORD.

482 Jimmah  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 3:02:41am

re: #438 LudwigVanQuixote

It means having the ability to accept data and do math. These are two things that the douche is incapable of. He's basically retarded.

And don't even get me started on his obsession with ice.

I would not be surprised if he had a web crush on her and got that way when she rejected him in exactly the same way any girl would reject the smelly weird kid who comes on in smarmy and clumsy ways, while thinking he is a big operator.

You know what Ludwig, just thinking about all the times Bagua previously tried to ingratiate himself with ice, and the fact that he got so angry when she took my side in an argument I had with him, I think you may be right.

483 MinisterO  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:43:11am
nice to know morons like you believe in junk science motivated by political correctness and left wing agenda. climate change is real alright, but it’s cyclical, not man caused. and THAT, is true science you fucking tool. I suppose you believe we caused the first ice age too? and the ice then to melt as well? what a useful idiot you and your pathetic little site has become. thanx for destroying our economy, and our human rights. asshat loser.

Sounds like Tom Fuller on a bender.

484 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 12:05:04pm
485 garhighway  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 12:07:17pm

re: #484 spool32

I'll admit that I wasn't here then. Back in the day, how did they react to people hitting the dead threads for the last word?

486 samgak  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 2:01:33am
nice to know morons like you believe in junk science motivated by political correctness and left wing agenda. climate change is real alright, but it’s cyclical, not man caused.


He seems to have totally missed the point, which is that the GOP won't even acknowledge that climate change is even HAPPENING, let alone the question of whether it is attributable to human or other causes.


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