White House: No Human Shield

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As is common in situations like these, some of the early details of the Osama bin Laden operation were inaccurate. The White House has now clarified earlier statements to say that bin Laden was not armed during the shootout. Also, the woman killed during the raid was apparently not bin Laden’s wife:

At the Monday evening briefing for TV reporters, a senior official also corrected what Brennan described earlier as “my understanding” that the woman who acted as a shield for bin Laden was one of his wives and was killed.

“A different guy’s wife was killed,” a different official familiar with the briefing for TV reporters said Monday night. Bin Laden’s wife was “injured but not killed,” the official said.

Another official familiar with the operation said it did not appear that any woman was used as a human shield, but that the woman killed and the one injured were hurt in the crossfire. The official said he believed Brennan had mixed up the episode involving bin Laden’s wife with another encounter elsewhere in the compound.

“Two women were shot here. It sounds like their fates were mixed up,” said the U.S. official. “This is hours old and the full facts are still being ascertained as those involved are debriefed.”

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1 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:41:43am

We'll need to see the long form "No human shields" certificate.

2 wrenchwench  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:42:43am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We'll need to see the long form "No human shields" certificate.

With heat map.

3 windsagio  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:00am

Man their story is already falling apart! No wonder they buried the body before anyone could see it >> Everybody knows "DNA analysis" is a scam anyways.

4 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:55am

re: #2 wrenchwench

With heat map.

Of course with a heat map. What kind of documentation doesn't come with a heat map?

And layering. Yes, we'll definitely need to verify the layering as well.

5 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:44:11am

re: #2 wrenchwench

With heat map.

And layers!

6 Big Steve  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:44:13am

While the image of this POS hiding behind his wife was delicious, it doesn't alter anything...he is dead and our guys did it.

7 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:45:39am

re: #6 Big Steve

While the image of this POS hiding behind his wife was delicious, it doesn't alter anything...he is dead and our guys did it.

"Well, you can't say anything is 100% certain..."
/

8 Big Steve  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:46:16am

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Well, you can't say anything is 100% certain..."
/

I have no reasonable doubts

9 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:46:18am

48 hour rule.

It was OBL's family living mixed with another one after all. I'd sure like to see some helmet-camera footage, but it might not be wise to release it.

OT:
By the way, what is the Simon Wiesenthal Thinking?
LGF page: The absurd Wiesenthal award for Tom Cruise

Can any of you in the LA area look into this? What's going on here?

10 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:47:29am
However, during a background, off-camera briefing for television reporters later Monday, a senior White House official said bin Laden was not armed when he was killed, apparently by the U.S. raid team.

Another White House official familiar with the TV briefing confirmed the change to POLITICO, adding, “I’m not aware of him having a weapon.”


Interesting on a couple different levels. I would have thought he's arm himself in that situation. Maybe he was counting on being captured. Also, does this qualify as assassination if he wasn't armed or not resisting? Nice clean headshot. Not that it bothers me but it might upset some folks.

11 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:49:05am

re: #9 MagnaniomousCoward

48 hour rule.

It was OBL's family living mixed with another one after all. I'd sure like to see some helmet-camera footage, but it might not be wise to release it.

OT:
By the way, what is the Simon Wiesenthal Thinking?
LGF page: The absurd Wiesenthal award for Tom Cruise

Can any of you in the LA area look into this? What's going on here?

He gave them a bunch of money. Therefore, he is receiving an award. It doesn't matter if he is a douchebag.

12 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:49:20am

re: #8 Big Steve

I have no reasonable doubts

There is no room for reasonable in the debate!
/

13 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:50:28am

Just heard a teaser for a news show in Norway: Norwegian author will laud Osama bin Laden as a brave man.

A Knut Hamsun re-incarnation?

14 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:51:24am

re: #11 Alouette

He gave them a bunch of money. Therefore, he is receiving an award. It doesn't matter if he is a douchebag.

I hear ya. Way to fight Jewish stereotypes, Rabbi Hier.

15 Big Steve  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:52:00am

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Interesting on a couple different levels. I would have thought he's arm himself in that situation. Maybe he was counting on being captured. Also, does this qualify as assassination if he wasn't armed or not resisting? Nice clean headshot. Not that it bothers me but it might upset some folks.

Someone who is currently military help me out here (my army days are Nam circa early 70's) but we always had to fill out very detailed action reports. I am sure the people who conducted the raid did this as well. It should be possible for the government to give us accurate details on this at some point.

16 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:52:41am

re: #14 MagnaniomousCoward

I hear ya. Way to fight Jewish stereotypes, Rabbi Hier.

Maybe the MOT should refuse all donations from douchebags.

17 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:53:04am

re: #14 MagnaniomousCoward

I hear ya. Way to fight Jewish stereotypes, Rabbi Hier.

Because no other religious group or NFP honours big donors?

Do you think before you hit the "Submit" button?

18 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:54:00am

Their "donate" page should include a warning:

DO NOT SEND MONEY IF YOU ARE A DOUCHEBAG!

19 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:54:08am

Meanwhile happy with the news that OBL has been killed, Chellie Pingree (D-Maine) want our troops out of Afghanistan as soon as possible.

Withdraw from Afghanistan

L

ast night, President Obama announced that Osama bin Laden had been captured and killed by US forces. This is welcome news which I hope provides a certain amount of closure for the families of the 9/11 victims. Now that we have accomplished this mission, there is no excuse for continuing our military engagement in Afghanistan.

Please sign my petition, which I will deliver to President Obama. If enough of us sign, he'll get the message loud and clear that progressives, Mainers and Americans want to end the war in Afghanistan quickly.

I guess she thinks al-Qaeda & the Taliban will just disappear and danger of terrorism will go away.

20 avanti  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:54:17am

BTW, the military coup of Obama story that Pam picked up is going viral on right wing sites. Interesting how easy it is to make "news", just by clicking a link and submitting anything you want, and get paid for it if it's picked up.

21 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:55:07am

re: #20 avanti

BTW, the military coup of Obama story that Pam picked up is going viral on right wing sites. Interesting how easy it is to make "news", just by clicking a link and submitting anything you want, and get paid for it if it's picked up.

avanti, check my response to your post:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

22 makeitstop  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:55:23am

re: #20 avanti

BTW, the military coup of Obama story that Pam picked up is going viral on right wing sites. Interesting how easy it is to make "news", just by clicking a link and submitting anything you want, and get paid for it if it's picked up.

I just logged on and missed that. Details?

23 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:55:43am

re: #22 makeitstop
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

24 makeitstop  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:56:08am

Ah. Just looked at imp's page, Ne'mind.

25 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:57:48am

These folks want to believe certain things. Any event can be molded and manipulated, with a little dash of KKKRazee Sauce™ to fit the memes:
Seekrit Muslim
Weak-minded Black Man
Socialist
Communist
Soros' hand-puppet

26 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:58:04am

If they're stupid enough to believe the coup story, they're morons. Obama emphasized strongly as a candidate that going after Bin Laden would be a priority of his administration. I swear, what do they need to see to prove to them that Obama's actions resulted in the death of Bin Laden. Stupid morons are never satisfied.

27 BishopX  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:58:27am

re: #15 Big Steve

Someone who is currently military help me out here (my army days are Nam circa early 70's) but we always had to fill out very detailed action reports. I am sure the people who conducted the raid did this as well. It should be possible for the government to give us accurate details on this at some point.

I don't think we've heard any of the details from the ground yet. The operation was overseen from Langley with Leon Panetta narrating for the White House situation room. My guess is that most of the details we have were leaked by administration officials, who got their info from the Panetta or NSC sources, as opposed to military sources who got their info from the AAR's.

28 Political Atheist  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:59:27am

Always a critic
Often dead wrong.
Derp Speigel

29 makeitstop  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:00:11am

Mother Of Pearl, those people will believe anything.

Bush Derangement Syndrome on steroids and meth. And crack.

30 sagehen  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:01:11am

re: #19 NJDhockeyfan

Meanwhile happy with the news that OBL has been killed, Chellie Pingree (D-Maine) want our troops out of Afghanistan as soon as possible.

I guess she thinks al-Qaeda & the Taliban will just disappear and danger of terrorism will go away.

to quote Jon Stewart (or paraphrase, I'm sure I'm misplacing a few words)...

"will we be attacked again? Probably. But you know who won't see it? Osama Bin Laden. Because we shot him in the eyes, and now he lives in a pineapple under the sea."

31 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:01:22am

re: #17 imp_62

Because no other religious group or NFP honours big donors?


Then call it a "patron" award or something. And even if they did, he's against many of the things which the center is supposed to be for. He's had slave laborers working on his property, and personally promotes Holocaust revisionism and genocidal policies.

Yes they should have refused his money, or at the very least questioned him about his actions before giving him an award.

Instead, they say they just do not care what he stands for - because he gave them money.

Mel Gibson or Louis Farrakhan should win next year.

32 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:02:37am

re: #9 MagnaniomousCoward

OT:
By the way, what is the Simon Wiesenthal Thinking?
LGF page: The absurd Wiesenthal award for Tom Cruise

Can any of you in the LA area look into this? What's going on here?

As someone who is involved in these types of dinners, both in their organization and in attending them, the main criteria that is looked at is not how much money that person has given, but more importantly, how deep their networks are, and how likely those people within their networks are to give to the cause. Typically the award recipient has some connection to the cause or something worth honoring, but what is really going on is that they know a lot of people will buy tickets to the event, and donate money to the cause for the occasion of this award dinner.

33 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:03:10am

re: #31 MagnaniomousCoward


Mel Gibson or Louis Farrakhan should win next year.

How much money did they donate?

34 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:04:09am

So, the monster wasn't armed after all. Tsk tsk. Actually it's not surprising. Like his less successful counterpart, Charles Manson, he always sent others to do his killing for him. He was probably shitting his nightshirt too much to reach for a gun anyway.
I've seen various residual moonbats, that guy on NPR this morning, for instance, or this cretin; complaining that he wasn't given due process. This is all based on the wholly unwarranted assumption that bin Laden was not, in fact, given a chance to surrender. It's one thing to question whether he was given such a chance, quite another to assume positively that he wasn't and used this as springboard for a long moralizing screed about the failings of America.
In any case, if Obama is too much of a bloodthirsty rightwing knucke-dragger for them, they are out of luck.

35 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:04:21am

re: #33 Alouette

How much money did they donate?

Once they know the award is up for sale, they could spare a few million dollars to buy themselves implausible deniability.

36 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:05:03am

re: #31 MagnaniomousCoward

Then call it a "patron" award or something. And even if they did, he's against many of the things which the center is supposed to be for. He's had slave laborers working on his property, and personally promotes Holocaust revisionism and genocidal policies.

Yes they should have refused his money, or at the very least questioned him about his actions before giving him an award.

Instead, they say they just do not care what he stands for - because he gave them money.

Mel Gibson or Louis Farrakhan should win next year.

I read the article. My point is your comment about perpetuating religious stereotypes was ridiculous and itself racist.

37 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:07:11am

re: #35 MagnaniomousCoward

Once they know the award is up for sale, they could spare a few million dollars to buy themselves implausible deniability.

I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

38 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:07:14am

re: #36 imp_62

I see. I don't agree, but I understand what you meant now.

39 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:07:42am

re: #38 MagnaniomousCoward

I see. I don't agree, but I understand what you meant now.

Fair enough. It's all about exchanging opinions.

40 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:07:49am

Still no word on how many people, if any, were captured alive?

41 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:08:13am

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Still no word on how many people, if any, were captured alive?

22 was I've read

42 shutdown  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:09:19am

re: #40 Killgore Trout

My understanding is that OBL's body was taken. The women and children had been taken to a "safe" area within the compound during the action, and were left for Pakistani authorities. I don't think anybody was captured and taken.

43 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:11:56am

re: #42 imp_62

My understanding is that OBL's body was taken. The women and children had been taken to a "safe" area within the compound during the action, and were left for Pakistani authorities. I don't think anybody was captured and taken.

I would be very surprised if the American's left any living occupants of that house for the Pakistani authorities. Way too much intelligence at stake.

44 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:17:51am

re: #43 Petero1818

I would be very surprised if the American's left any living occupants of that house for the Pakistani authorities. Way too much intelligence at stake.

Looks like the Pakis have his family...

Osama Relatives in Pakistani Custody

One of Osama Bin Laden’s daughters watched as U.S. forces shot and killed her father Sunday, according to a senior Pakistani official.

The unidentified official told Reuters that the daughter, aged 12 or 13, is one of an unspecified number of people who have confirmed that the al-Qaida leader had been killed during the U.S. military raid on his secret compound in Pakistan.

She is also one of nine or so of Bin Laden’s relatives currently awaiting interrogation by the Pakistan government. The official said that in addition to as many as eight of Bin Laden’s children, the country also has custody of one of Bin Laden’s wives.

It is not clear if the wife is the same one who was originally reported to have been killed during the Sunday raid. (The White House now says that, contrary to what it originally reported, Bin Laden did not use one of his wives as a human shield, and that the wife in question was injured and not killed during the 40-minute military operation.)

The relatives will be interrogated and then most likely turned over to their countries of origin, in accordance with Pakistani law, according to the official.

It appears as though U.S. forces may have originally meant to bring the relatives with them when they left the compound aboard military helicopters.

45 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:20:33am

re: #13 MagnaniomousCoward

The Osama-praising author is Elin Brodin. Via Facebook.
Groan.
She's kinda-sorta back-pedalling now though. Nuanced.

46 dragonfire1981  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:22:37am

And I thought Bryan Fisher was the worst.

One of my conservative relatives half jokingly said the reason Obama delayed the statement on Sunday night was so he could take time to mourn the loss of Bin Laden (you know because he's a secret Muslim sympathizer).

If he wasn't family I would have kicked him out of the house.

47 leftynyc  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:25:09am

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel

So, the monster wasn't armed after all. Tsk tsk. Actually it's not surprising. Like his less successful counterpart, Charles Manson, he always sent others to do his killing for him. He was probably shitting his nightshirt too much to reach for a gun anyway.
I've seen various residual moonbats, that guy on NPR this morning, for instance, or this cretin; complaining that he wasn't given due process. This is all based on the wholly unwarranted assumption that bin Laden was not, in fact, given a chance to surrender. It's one thing to question whether he was given such a chance, quite another to assume positively that he wasn't and used this as springboard for a long moralizing screed about the failings of America.
In any case, if Obama is too much of a bloodthirsty rightwing knucke-dragger for them, they are out of luck.

How odd, the only person I've seen making that argument is Judge Napalitano on faux news:

[Link: newsbuster.com...]

48 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:27:24am

re: #44 NJDhockeyfan

Stand corrected then, and truly surprised. I guess I could understand leaving children. But I do find it odd that any adult would be left. Perhaps the CIA has had some accommodation from the Pakistanis to allow US interrogators, or at least a video feed of the interrogations.

49 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:35:35am

re: #48 Petero1818

Stand corrected then, and truly surprised. I guess I could understand leaving children. But I do find it odd that any adult would be left. Perhaps the CIA has had some accommodation from the Pakistanis to allow US interrogators, or at least a video feed of the interrogations.

They didn't have enough room in the remaining helicopters. If they didn't lose one they probably would have brought the whole family back with them.

50 iossarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:38:24am

re: #44 NJDhockeyfan

Looks like the (deleted) have his family...

Osama Relatives in Pakistani Custody

That abbreviation of "Pakistani" is pretty offensive, especially to people from the UK, where it is more or less the direct equivalent of "the N-word".

Please don't use it.

51 Hawaii69  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:52:14am

re: #50 iossarian

That abbreviation of "Pakistani" is pretty offensive, especially to people from the UK, where it is more or less the direct equivalent of "the N-word".

Please don't use it.

It may be offensive in the UK. In the U.S., it has no teeth.

52 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:54:21am

re: #51 Hawaii69

It may be offensive in the UK. In the U.S., it has no teeth.

From what I've seen, it still does.

53 Buck  Tue, May 3, 2011 12:08:48pm

re: #47 leftynyc

How odd, the only person I've seen making that argument is Judge Napalitano on faux news:

[Link: newsbuster.com...]

Wait for the ACLU....

54 Buck  Tue, May 3, 2011 12:18:42pm

re: #44 NJDhockeyfan

The relatives will be interrogated and then most likely turned over to their countries of origin, in accordance with Pakistani law, according to the official.

If they get tortured, or even make accusations of torture... If they do, the left will rise up with accusatory statements of how the US was responsible for them, and rendition, or worse.

However it is safe to believe if they could have fingered anyone, it is lost to the US now.

55 Locker  Tue, May 3, 2011 12:59:22pm

re: #54 Buck

If they get tortured, or even make accusations of torture... If they do, the left will rise up with accusatory statements of how the US was responsible for them, and rendition, or worse.

However it is safe to believe if they could have fingered anyone, it is lost to the US now.

You sure act like you a lot about what "the left" thinks, does and is planning even though you are so far from the left I couldn't hit you with an ICBM. Perhaps you are just full of shit.

56 harrylook  Tue, May 3, 2011 1:11:08pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel

I think what you are seeing, there, Shiplord, is the continuing (failed) logic that this is not a war, but a legal battle won in the courtroom. Lots of people don't get it.

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel

The fact that he wasn't armed tells me the Seals went in with orders to kill him. An article someone linked to above today said in fact that the Seals were told that was their mission: to kill bin Laden. This sure seems to me to be an admission by the administration that civilian trials aren't the way to go sometimes.

57 leftynyc  Tue, May 3, 2011 1:12:18pm

re: #55 Locker

You sure act like you a lot about what "the left" thinks, does and is planning even though you are so far from the left I couldn't hit you with an ICBM. Perhaps you are just full of shit.


I'm with you. This person is as left as when rush tries to pretend he's speaking for the left. Neither knows anything. Meanwhile it's only on faux news that I'm hearing about how sad it is osama didn't have a trial.

58 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, May 3, 2011 1:16:45pm

re: #55 Locker

Well, Buck might be right about how the kneejerk reactive people will react, a few places on the internet, even though the left in general probably will not agree.

59 ContinentalOp  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:34:05pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

If they're stupid enough to believe the coup story, they're morons.

And . . .


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