Death Toll Nearly 100 from Giant Tornado

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The death toll from the massive tornado that struck Joplin, Missouri, is now nearly 100.

Residents received a 24-minute warning that a tornado was headed toward the city, giving many a few precious moments to gather children and run for safety. When the tornado struck, it caused what officials are estimating to be a path of damage through Joplin that was a mile wide and four miles long, with wind speeds reaching 166 miles per hour.

As much as 30 percent of the town was damaged, including more than 2,000 buildings, among them a nursing home and several schools, firehouses and large stores, including a Wal-Mart and a Home Depot. Water treatment and sewage plants were also hit by high winds, and authorities cautioned residents to boil water.

“It is very rare to get a tornado like this, but it is even more rare to get a tornado like this in a highly populated area like Joplin,” said Doug Cramer, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.

The tornado was part of a weather system in which cold and warm fronts collided throughout the middle sections of the country, meteorologists said — an event apt to spawn supercell tornadoes along the storm front like the one that struck Joplin.

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160 comments
1 Targetpractice  Mon, May 23, 2011 10:49:08am

My thoughts go out to those who’ve been devastated by this tragedy.

2 lawhawk  Mon, May 23, 2011 10:57:07am

Thoughts and prayers to all those affected by this disaster. This was apparently the worst death toll from a single tornado since one in 1953 in MA, and that’s despite all the warnings and advance notice to get to safety. And to think what the death toll could have been had the warnings not come as far in advance…

Time has posted one of the more harrowing videos - most of it is actually dark because the power is out, but you hear the cries of those sheltering in a convenience store and the rising din of the storm approaching, and every now and then the store is lit up by lightning.

3 allegro  Mon, May 23, 2011 10:57:08am

I’m still waiting to hear about my uncle and aunt who have a farm just outside of Joplin. Phone no workee. :/

4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, May 23, 2011 10:57:38am

a friend of mine has family/relatives in Joplin, she said they all made it through, some lost their homes but they’re alive. This stuff is amazing. Back in NY where my folks live they’ve had rain nearly every day for the past few months. The dam on the lake I lived near has been going over like Niagra Falls and is under extreme pressure right now.

My dad said they have all the gates open and are just letting the water empty freely since the most likely scenario would be the dam bursting with the amount of water pressing against it. They sent me pics and video, it’s simply amazing.

5 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, May 23, 2011 10:58:11am

re: #3 allegro

I’m still waiting to hear about my uncle and aunt who have a farm just outside of Joplin. Phone no workee. :/

hope they are ok!

6 allegro  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:00:05am

re: #5 Dreggas

hope they are ok!

Me too! They are quite elderly now and I worry about them under the best of conditions.

7 albusteve  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:01:30am

timing and luck is the most of it….I would feel pretty desperate if I was out and about when these things hit…it’s one thing to have a shelter, but are you near it?….so little warning

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:02:31am

Why are homes built in Torando Alley without shelters?

9 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:03:59am

re: #8 EmmmieG

Why are homes built in Torando Alley without shelters?

Who needs shelters? They are all going to be raptured to the Land of Oz!
/

10 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:04:31am

re: #9 Alouette

Who needs shelters? They are all going to be raptured to the Land of Oz!
/

Uncle Henry and Auntie Em had a storm cellar!

11 lawhawk  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:05:38am

And here come the watches and warnings again today. Things are quite busy around St. Louis and stretching back towards Oklahoma City and then around Fort Worth TX. There’s a significant stream of storms and there are watches and warnings to go along with them.

12 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:05:44am

re: #8 EmmmieG

Why are homes built in Torando Alley without shelters?

Disbelief.

13 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:06:02am

So now do we get Pat Robertson to tell us this was God punishing us for something or is that only when something like this happens outside of the US?

14 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:06:22am

re: #8 EmmmieG

Why are homes built in Torando Alley without shelters?

That’s like asking why people build on a floodplain, or on a beach on the Gulf of Mexico (hurricane country). People simply refuse to believe that it will happen to them. When the inevitable happens, they’re the ones running around pointing fingers at everybody but themselves.

15 teleskiguy  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:06:43am

My heart goes out to any and all victims of mother nature’s wrath.

Mother Nature, though, is in charge. Why has 2011 seen such obscene weather events? Perhaps this chart has some explanations.

16 Interesting Times  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:07:29am

GOP cut crucial weather satellites

Earlier this year, Congressional Republicans decided accurate weather forecasting and hurricane tracking were services the American people could live without. The GOP-sponsored 2011 spending bill slashed the budget for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, slashing $700 million targeted for an overhaul of the nation’s aging environmental satellite system. NOAA scientists have stated unequivocally the existing satellites will fail and if they aren’t replaced, the agency’s ability to provide life-saving information to the American people will be compromised.

And I’ll stop right here, because any further words I could use to describe the selfish piece of filth GOPers who did this would jeopardize my account.

17 Targetpractice  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:07:34am

re: #14 thedopefishlives

That’s like asking why people build on a floodplain, or on a beach on the Gulf of Mexico (hurricane country). People simply refuse to believe that it will happen to them. When the inevitable happens, they’re the ones running around pointing fingers at everybody but themselves.

And wondering why the government wasn’t there to set up a disaster-proof shield around them and their home.

18 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:07:57am

here’s some of the pics/video my folks took:

Video

Image: bridge.jpg

Image: dam3.jpg

Image: dam2.jpg

Image: dam1.jpg

19 allegro  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:09:32am

One of my most interesting lifetime experiences happened at the Ramada Inn in Joplin. We were there for a family reunion (my mom was one of 9 kids so our reunions were BFDs) and had a block of rooms at the Ramada with the reunion activities themselves being at my above uncle’s farm. What made the stay there so interesting is that it was the venue for that year’s annual Little People convention and Peggy Lee (yes, THE Peggy Lee) also happened to be staying there that 4th of July weekend.

Spent one evening getting significantly inebriated with a couple of my cousins in the hotel lounge that had a local band doing songs like the Crawdaddy Song with something resembling a rock beat. The lounge was otherwise filled with raucous little people seriously getting down with the partying. Peggy Lee was sitting at the table next to us until she joined us. Very sweet and fun lady. It was like walking into a David Lynch movie.

20 kirkspencer  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:09:34am

re: #8 EmmmieG

Why are homes built in Torando Alley without shelters?

Money.

Sheltered homes cost more to build. That leaves large groups of population with almost enough money to buy a home — money that homebuilders don’t want left on the table. So they build them without shelters. They beat the codes by using “trailer park” codes, which require a common access shelter within a certain distance.

So when the sirens go off (if they do and if you hear them) you’re to run a handful of blocks through the street, in the high wind and pounding rain.

yeah.

21 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:09:38am

re: #12 b_sharp

Disbelief.

Depends on the type of tornado…

22 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:10:39am
23 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:11:32am
24 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:11:44am

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of disasters…

Fla. Gov. Scott says he won ‘t run for president

What a shame. I hear his own state hates his guts now.

25 Stanghazi  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:11:45am

re: #18 Dreggas

here’s some of the pics/video my folks took:

Video

Image: bridge.jpg

Image: dam3.jpg

Image: dam2.jpg

Image: dam1.jpg

Motha Nature

26 albusteve  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:12:20am

re: #20 kirkspencer

Money.

Sheltered homes cost more to build. That leaves large groups of population with almost enough money to buy a home — money that homebuilders don’t want left on the table. So they build them without shelters. They beat the codes by using “trailer park” codes, which require a common access shelter within a certain distance.

So when the sirens go off (if they do and if you hear them) you’re to run a handful of blocks through the street, in the high wind and pounding rain.

yeah.

you can put a hole under your garage floor and seal it properly for next to nothing….the idea is to save yourself, not the house

27 Semper Fi  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:12:25am

re: #18 Dreggas

here’s some of the pics/video my folks took:

Video

Image: bridge.jpg

Image: dam3.jpg

Image: dam2.jpg

Image: dam1.jpg

Would be nice to send that water out West.

28 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:13:25am

re: #21 celticdragon

Depends on the type of tornado…

Ooooo.

Gorgeous.

29 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:14:04am

re: #26 albusteve

you can put a hole under your garage floor and seal it properly for next to nothing…the idea is to save yourself, not the house

Not quite “next to nothing”. A properly dug tornado shelter does cost money to dig and to secure. If you’d like to dig it out by hand… *hands steve a shovel* Start digging. I’ll check back in a year.

30 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:14:10am

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


True.

ZOMG!

Blaxploitation at its’ finest!

I can just imagine seeing that at a grindhouse Bijou on the wrong side of town with 3 months worth of popcorn and spilled drinks sticking on the floor and a passed out drunk hooker snoring in the row behind me…

31 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:14:25am

re: #27 Semper Fi

i live in California now. Would be nice to have some of it here as well.

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:14:36am

re: #14 thedopefishlives

That’s like asking why people build on a floodplain, or on a beach on the Gulf of Mexico (hurricane country). People simply refuse to believe that it will happen to them. When the inevitable happens, they’re the ones running around pointing fingers at everybody but themselves.

Well, people build on floodplains because that’s farming country. It’s not like everyone does this because they’re batshit crazy.

33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:15:06am

re: #19 allegro

I’m assuming that you kept your ear.

34 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:15:10am

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, people build on floodplains because that’s farming country. It’s not like everyone does this because they’re batshit crazy.

Excuse me. I should’ve said something along the lines of, “Build below sea level, like those batshit insane folks in N’awlins”. :-P

35 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:15:46am

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, people build on floodplains because that’s farming country. It’s not like everyone does this because they’re batshit crazy.

Without well maintained levees and dredging of the river, however, you tend to find that they are called flood plains for a reason.

36 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:16:11am

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, people build on floodplains because that’s farming country. It’s not like everyone does this because they’re batshit crazy.

Civilization grew up on floodplains.

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:16:59am

re: #36 b_sharp

Civilization grew up on floodplains.

And, as witness Noach, Gilgmesh and Deucalion, periodically figured out why they were called floodplains.

38 allegro  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:17:34am

re: #33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m assuming that you kept your ear.

That dreadful band had me wishing I hadn’t.

39 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:18:16am

re: #30 celticdragon

ZOMG!

Blaxploitation at its’ finest!

I can just imagine seeing that at a grindhouse Bijou on the wrong side of town with 3 months worth of popcorn and spilled drinks sticking on the floor and a passed out drunk hooker snoring in the row behind me…

Speaking of which, this is now on Netflix.

40 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:18:33am

re: #36 b_sharp

Civilization grew up on floodplains.

Civilization grew in in the Fertile Crescent, but Nebuchadnazzar probably figured out pretty quick that building down near the irrigation meant that your palace got soggy from time to time.

41 teleskiguy  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:19:25am

re: #16 publicityStunted

GOP cut crucial weather satellites


I fear for this country because some of the leaders are openly hostile to science. teleskiguy bloody hell has a litmus test for our leaders! Leaders need to embrace science!

42 Semper Fi  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:19:49am

re: #31 Dreggas

i live in California now. Would be nice to have some of it here as well.

Yes, and I understand Lake Mead at Hoover Dam is more than 100 ft low. Trouble is on the way I’m thinking.

43 Stanghazi  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:19:49am

re: #2 lawhawk

Thoughts and prayers to all those affected by this disaster. This was apparently the worst death toll from a single tornado since one in 1953 in MA, and that’s despite all the warnings and advance notice to get to safety. And to think what the death toll could have been had the warnings not come as far in advance…

Time has posted one of the more harrowing videos - most of it is actually dark because the power is out, but you hear the cries of those sheltering in a convenience store and the rising din of the storm approaching, and every now and then the store is lit up by lightning.

That video is amazing. They were in a store apparently.

44 kirkspencer  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:19:56am

re: #26 albusteve

you can put a hole under your garage floor and seal it properly for next to nothing…the idea is to save yourself, not the house

“next to nothing.” If you know what you’re doing you can manage it for as little as $1000, but more likely it’s going to take at least double that. More if you have to pay someone else.

Now I happen to agree with your sentiment of the idea and the importance, but the fact is that a chunk that’s over 50% of a person’s monthly take-home (and if they’re buying a house without shelter it may be even more) forces a gut-check. Add to this that more than a few insurance companies will put in quibbles about the shelter construction, so it’s going to require even more money.

So I repeat: money is a major reason why homes in tornado alley are built without shelters.

45 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:19:57am

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of which, this is now on Netflix.

LMAO! I remember that bit of dreck from when I was a kid…

46 albusteve  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:20:34am

re: #29 thedopefishlives

Not quite “next to nothing”. A properly dug tornado shelter does cost money to dig and to secure. If you’d like to dig it out by hand… *hands steve a shovel* Start digging. I’ll check back in a year.

I’ve done it, a Bobcat roughed it out, I blocked it up and built the steel door and pinned it to the floor…it was for a customer that hired me…turned out perfect, but no frills….my own was rebuilt from a defunct well pit off the basement walls…6’ wide by 10’ deep with a poured concrete ceiling…there was a porta potty, water/snacks and all the tools I’d need to bash my way back out, even shovels to dig my way through the back wall and up if I had to….but I was a contractor and loved that sort of stuff

47 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:21:13am

re: #41 teleskiguy

I fear for this country because some of the leaders are openly hostile to science. teleskiguy bloody hell has a litmus test for our leaders! Leaders need to embrace science!

The voters are demanding magical thinking, and so they tend to get it.

That is one of the liabilities of democracy…and if your electorate votes to self destruct…you can’t really blame anybody else.

48 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:21:42am

re: #45 celticdragon

LMAO! I remember that bit of dreck from when I was a kid…

And yet I’ve actually seen much worse movies. It wasn’t that bad.

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:22:24am

IIRC, A few years back, the Township of Bound Brook, NJ and the Feds were simply fed up with folks who would repair their houses and continue to live in the flood area that flooded every couple of years.

I think that flood insurance was declined for the entire area after that.

Forced them out.

Can’t believe someone has to forced out after being flooded ten or so times. Too dumb to come in out of the rain, so to speak.

50 garhighway  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:23:30am

re: #42 Semper Fi

Yes, and I understand Lake Mead at Hoover Dam is more than 100 ft low. Trouble is on the way I’m thinking.

Help is on the way, sort of:

nytimes.com

There’s 20+ feet of snow in the Rockies that hasn’t yet melted.

51 teleskiguy  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:24:32am

re: #42 Semper Fi

Yes, and I understand Lake Mead at Hoover Dam is more than 100 ft low. Trouble is on the way I’m thinking.


Record Snowfall in the Rockies should put a dent in the Colorado River drainage drought. Runoff is slow to come, another foot of snow fell above 10,000 feet a few days ago.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:24:42am

Not Gilgamesh. Utnapishtim. But he tells the story TO Gilgamesh. You get the point. Anyway.

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:25:03am

Prayers for the folks of Joplin, it appears that it could have been even worse. It is possible that it could have been worse, but there are many there who simply can’t imagine how.

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:25:30am

re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Prayers for the folks of Joplin, it appears that it could have been even worse. It is possible that it could have been worse, but there are many there who simply can’t imagine how.

Is there a donation fund set up?

55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:26:20am

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m sure there will be several. Even one or two legitimate ones.

56 lawhawk  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:26:31am

re: #49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, there are lots of folks in places around NJ that keep getting flooded out, but refuse to move - b/c it’s cheaper to live there and deal with the flooding than to relocate elsewhere. So, they stay, and put up with it.

Then you get some who complain that they keep getting flooded out b/c of development further upstream (but they themselves refuse to move to restore wetlands that would reduce flooding and flood damage).

*face palm*

57 albusteve  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:26:39am

re: #50 garhighway

Help is on the way, sort of:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

There’s 20+ feet of snow in the Rockies that hasn’t yet melted.

great article, thanks

58 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:27:03am

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m sure there will be several. Even one or two legitimate ones.

The thing that pisses me off is, I’m sure there will be a scam email that goes out within the week. It’s like, people, seriously, have some respect for the dead. But the scammers never do.

59 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:27:24am

Note that these recent weather disasters have been predicted by climate scientists, as one of the consequences of global warming.

It’s difficult to say whether any particular case is directly attributable to climate change, but we’re going to be seeing more of these kinds of extreme weather events, and they’re going to increase in frequency — because we have a large percentage of Americans who’ve been convinced by the right wing that there’s nothing to worry about.

60 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:27:34am

Western snow pack is well above normal, Squaw Valley sets new all time snow record

All of the western states have snowpacks that are currently 110 to over 180 percent above normal with the exception of southern Colorado. This is unusual for most of the western states to be so far ahead on snowpack all at the same time rather than from one or two states.

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:27:51am

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m sure there will be several. Even one or two legitimate ones.

Like, has the RED CROSS set one up?

62 garhighway  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:28:33am

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Western snow pack is well above normal, Squaw Valley sets new all time snow record

AGW denial site.

Just so you know.

63 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:29:22am

re: #59 Charles

Note that these recent weather disasters have been predicted by climate scientists, as one of the consequences of global warming.

It’s difficult to say whether any particular case is directly attributable to climate change, but we’re going to be seeing more of these kinds of extreme weather events, and they’re going to increase in frequency — because we have a large percentage of Americans who’ve been convinced by the right wing that there’s nothing to worry about.

I deleted a comment I was going to make to that effect…but I agree with you.

64 Interesting Times  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:29:39am

re: #59 Charles

Note that these recent weather disasters have been predicted by climate scientists, as one of the consequences of global warming.

It’s difficult to say whether any particular case is directly attributable to climate change, but we’re going to be seeing more of these kinds of extreme weather events, and they’re going to increase in frequency — because we have a large percentage of Americans who’ve been convinced by the right wing that there’s nothing to worry about.

Speaking of the right wing, see the link in my #16

Without warnings, the death tolls from these storms would be unimaginably higher…which is why the GOP is cutting funding for the warning systems?? o_O

65 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:29:55am

re: #59 Charles

Note that these recent weather disasters have been predicted by climate scientists, as one of the consequences of global warming.

It’s difficult to say whether any particular case is directly attributable to climate change, but we’re going to be seeing more of these kinds of extreme weather events, and they’re going to increase in frequency — because we have a large percentage of Americans who’ve been convinced by the right wing that there’s nothing to worry about.

People see more rain and snow, they think its getting colder. They don’t realize the reason they’re seeing more rain and snow locally because the polar ice has been melting and it doesn’t just disappear.

66 Targetpractice  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:29:55am

re: #59 Charles

Note that these recent weather disasters have been predicted by climate scientists, as one of the consequences of global warming.

It’s difficult to say whether any particular case is directly attributable to climate change, but we’re going to be seeing more of these kinds of extreme weather events, and they’re going to increase in frequency — because we have a large percentage of Americans who’ve been convinced by the right wing that there’s nothing to worry about.

Cycles! The Earth goes through cycles! Things go bad, but then get better! There’s no need to panic, because this will all get better…eventually!

67 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:30:45am

re: #62 garhighway

AGW denial site.

Just so you know.

Yeah, I realized after I posted. Morons don’t understand global weather patterns.

68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:31:11am

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno. The United Methodist Church does an excellent job at getting the money where it’s supposed to go without a multi-million dollar CEO (unless, of course you want to count God). I donate to their relief efforts.

Seems like there’s a new crisis weekly. Weather, geological, poverty, famine… just a who’s who of calamities.

69 efuseakay  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:31:21am

re: #59 Charles

Note that these recent weather disasters have been predicted by climate scientists, as one of the consequences of global warming.

It’s difficult to say whether any particular case is directly attributable to climate change, but we’re going to be seeing more of these kinds of extreme weather events, and they’re going to increase in frequency — because we have a large percentage of Americans who’ve been convinced by the right wing that there’s nothing to worry about.

Notice how absolutely silent those “snow in April = AGW is a scam” fools are completely silent about this… And the Mississippi floods…

70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:31:53am

re: #62 garhighway

But, is it factual? I don’t care where I see facts.

71 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:31:59am

This is just creeping Apocalypse…

72 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:32:26am

re: #62 garhighway

AGW denial site.

Just so you know.

The deniers refuse to understand basic meteorology. When you have rising temperatures at the equator, you can have increased evaporation and then precipitation…and that means more snow in the winter as long as the local temp is below freezing…but don’t expect the snow to stick around real long.

This concept is not at all difficult. I got it immediately back in the mid 80’s when it was first introduced.

73 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:32:38am

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But, is it factual? I don’t care where I see facts.

The facts about the snowpacks are accurate. The conclusions they draw from them are wrong.

74 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:33:11am

re: #64 publicityStunted

Speaking of the right wing, see the link in my #16

Without warnings, the death tolls from these storms would be unimaginably higher…which is why the GOP is cutting funding for the warning systems?? o_O

Not to mention wanting to cut funds for monitoring those harmless volcanoes…

75 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:33:11am

re: #59 Charles

I was thinking the same thing. Extreme weather is one thing, extreme weather occurring on a near constant basis like this is another entirely.

76 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:34:30am

re: #59 Charles

Note that these recent weather disasters have been predicted by climate scientists, as one of the consequences of global warming.

It’s difficult to say whether any particular case is directly attributable to climate change, but we’re going to be seeing more of these kinds of extreme weather events, and they’re going to increase in frequency — because we have a large percentage of Americans who’ve been convinced by the right wing that there’s nothing to worry about.


Nearly 500 people have been killed in tornadoes in this country this year. This is more than 10 times the average for the post World War 2 era and within sight of the all-time record. It would be foolish to ignore the possibility of a connection to climate change, yet various politicians and pundits will fall over themselves doing exactly that.

77 Semper Fi  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:35:51am

re: #50 garhighway

Help is on the way, sort of:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

There’s 20+ feet of snow in the Rockies that hasn’t yet melted.

Thanks for that. I didn’t know the snowpack was substantial this year. If the melt comes down the Colorado the dam has plenty of room to accommodate.

78 kirkspencer  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:36:46am

re: #51 teleskiguy

Record Snowfall in the Rockies should put a dent in the Colorado River drainage drought. Runoff is slow to come, another foot of snow fell above 10,000 feet a few days ago.

This is why the emergency preparedness folk in the runoff states are prepping for flash and ‘standard’ flooding. If you’re old enough, think things like the 1996 “spring of floods” in the northeast or the 1997 Red River flood.

79 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:37:10am

re: #69 efuseakay

Notice how absolutely silent those “snow in April = AGW is a scam” fools are completely silent about this… And the Mississippi floods…

When I took hydrology and Water in Urban Environments at Cal state Fullerton, we learned how to plot flood events on a time/intensity chart and therefore predict the frequency of certain flood events.

As has been noted this past week in the media, we are seeing an awful lot of 100 year floods all of a sudden.

Our prediction models are being rendered obsolete by climate change.

80 teleskiguy  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:37:13am

All this weather talk gets me thinking about the ski season this year. What a freaking wild time! Every day I went skiing this year was amazing.

81 Interesting Times  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:37:52am

re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seems like there’s a new crisis weekly. Weather, geological, poverty, famine… just a who’s who of calamities.

Keep on abusing the environment, and eventually the environment abuses you.

82 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:37:53am

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel

Nearly 500 people have been killed in tornadoes in this country this year. This is more than 10 times the average for the post World War 2 era and within sight of the all-time record. It would be foolish to ignore the possibility of a connection to climate change, yet various politicians and pundits will fall over themselves doing exactly that.

Nothing like this has happened in my lifetime, and I was born in 1967.

83 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:38:48am

re: #81 publicityStunted

Keep on abusing the environment, and eventually the environment abuses you.

Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice.
Will Durant

84 Semper Fi  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:38:57am

re: #51 teleskiguy

Record Snowfall in the Rockies should put a dent in the Colorado River drainage drought. Runoff is slow to come, another foot of snow fell above 10,000 feet a few days ago.

It would be nice to see the surface level of Lake Mead move upward for a change.

85 garhighway  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:40:18am

re: #77 Semper Fi

Thanks for that. I didn’t know the snowpack was substantial this year. If the melt comes down the Colorado the dam has plenty of room to accommodate.

Agree. the people living between the snow and the dams may be in for a pretty exciting time, though.

86 DeepBlue  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:41:44am

re: #59 Charles

Interesting to compare Scientist’s ability to correctly predict increased vehemence of weather changes w/ that of religious figure’s ability to predict events (end of the world) or explain events (Hurricane in NO (or elsewhere) due to teh gays).

87 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:41:47am
88 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:42:10am

re: #82 celticdragon

Nothing like this has happened in my lifetime, and I was born in 1967.

The worst year since comprehensive records have been kept was 1953, with 519 fatalities. One more big one could put us over that.

89 wrenchwench  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:42:52am

re: #59 Charles

Note that these recent weather disasters have been predicted by climate scientists, as one of the consequences of global warming.

It’s difficult to say whether any particular case is directly attributable to climate change, but we’re going to be seeing more of these kinds of extreme weather events, and they’re going to increase in frequency — because we have a large percentage of Americans who’ve been convinced by the right wing that there’s nothing to worry about.

Subtle differences can have huge consequences.

A friend of mine was working for the electric company out near a wildfire, standing by to turn the power off or on as needed, and told me some of what he learned at the fire briefings.

When the humidity was in the single digits, the “spark rate” was 97%, ie. out of 100 sparks, 97 would ignite a fire. The next day the humidity went up to 18%, and the spark rate went down to 64%.

The winds, however, have been relentless. They are typical for this time of year. We have another 5 weeks until the usual start of the rainy season. If it doesn’t come, the fire season gets much worse as it gets longer. And the firefighters will be needed in other regions, like California and the Northwest.

90 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:43:24am

re: #86 DeepBlue

Interesting to compare Scientist’s ability to correctly predict increased vehemence of weather changes w/ that of religious figure’s ability to predict events (end of the world) or explain events (Hurricane in NO (or elsewhere) due to teh gays).

Science works.

91 albusteve  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:43:33am

re: #85 garhighway

Agree. the people living between the snow and the dams may be in for a pretty exciting time, though.

be nice to see the Rio Grande back up to full levels

92 wrenchwench  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:44:02am

re: #86 DeepBlue

Welcome, hatchling.

93 garhighway  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:44:08am

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But, is it factual? I don’t care where I see facts.

Twp problems with that site:

1> It entirely confuses weather and climate (a common denier problem), and
2> it only shows facts which it believes refutes the AGW case. So even if it is showing you a “fact”, you can’t be sure that something else has since happened that casts greater light on the “fact”, as they would only share that with you if it favored their case.

It’s faux science, which is no science, which is bullshit.

94 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:44:40am

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, I realized after I posted. Morons don’t understand global weather patterns.

Morons don’t understand anything more complex than a light switch.

Light goes on, light goes off. You can’t explain that.

95 BishopX  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:45:01am

re: #90 Shiplord Kirel

Science works.

Eventually

96 albusteve  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:45:17am

re: #89 wrenchwench

you’re freaking me out

97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:45:37am

re: #93 garhighway

Thanks.

98 wrenchwench  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:46:39am

re: #96 albusteve

you’re freaking me out

Get the hose.

99 William of Orange  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:47:09am

Was that a mini rapture??

That was the last joke about that. In all seriousness, 100 lives lost is a sad occasion. And the reality is that this phenomenon will occur more frequently. I haven’t studied for weatherman but it seems all global weather is more extreme the last years.

This year in the Netherlands started with a very cold period, by our standards, followed by a hot spell in April and early May. At that time of year that was unusual for us but in a way very pleasant. But I fear the next months. We haven’t had a serious rain period for months. There’s no water shortage here at the moment when it comes to drinking water, but the agricultural world is feeling this.

And the first forrest fires we had were quite severe. (Glad to tell you that some arsonists have been caught and also have confessed.)

100 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:47:14am

re: #96 albusteve

you’re freaking me out

I’m not touching you.

101 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:48:37am

re: #72 celticdragon

The deniers refuse to understand basic meteorology. When you have rising temperatures at the equator, you can have increased evaporation and then precipitation…and that means more snow in the winter as long as the local temp is below freezing…but don’t expect the snow to stick around real long.

This concept is not at all difficult. I got it immediately back in the mid 80’s when it was first introduced.

El Nino, followed by La Nina results in more precip. As the average temp goes up, the effect increases.

It’s the whole chain of causation thingy.

102 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:48:49am

re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m not touching you.

That was Senator Larry Craig. He said he has a wide stance…

103 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:49:44am

I can confidently predict that some wingnut somewhere will claim that Obama and the dastardly evolutionists are using HAARP or the recently confiscated Halliburton weather machine to generate these storms so they can confiscate guns and Bibles and institute Shariah law.

104 Stanghazi  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:51:14am

A new WH communication position to quickly counter false stories about POTUS.

If you’re going to post something online about Obama that isn’t true, Lee is going to be the one to handle you. Considering that Lee’s first tweet about his new position included a picture of The Terminator, we suggest you watch what you say OR BE DESTROYED.

twitter.com

@jesseclee44

mediabistro.com

105 Semper Fi  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:51:52am

re: #66 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

When I first accepted that global warming was truly a reality, I thought: Of course, anybody who had an ‘older’ fridge knows that unless you defrost it occasionally it doesn’t function properly. Nature is like that, it’s defrosting.
I kid you not and yes, I’m embarrassed.

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:51:56am

re: #101 b_sharp

El Nino, followed by La Nina results in more precip. As the average temp goes up, the effect increases.

It’s the whole chain of causation thingy.

Should we come up a new one? El CasaVerdi?

107 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:52:22am

re: #103 Shiplord Kirel

I can confidently predict that some wingnut somewhere will claim that Obama and the dastardly evolutionists are using HAARP or the recently confiscated Halliburton weather machine to generate these storms so they can confiscate guns and Bibles and institute Shariah law.

Holy shit. I haven’t heard about HAARP in years. The conspiracy types are still claiming it is s secret weather weapon.

108 darthstar  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:52:45am

re: #27 Semper Fi

Would be nice to send that water out West.

We’ve got plenty, thanks…still 200 inches of snow in the Sierras…we’ll have run-off and cool streams through August.

109 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:53:12am

re: #107 celticdragon

Holy shit. I haven’t heard about HAARP in years. The conspiracy types are still claiming it is s secret weather weapon.

Where have you been? The brought it up for Haiti, New Zealand and Japan.

110 Semper Fi  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:55:26am

re: #85 garhighway

Agree. the people living between the snow and the dams may be in for a pretty exciting time, though.

May the melt be mild.

111 sattv4u2  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:57:07am

re: #106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Any word yet?

112 celticdragon  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:57:26am

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Where have you been? The brought it up for Haiti, New Zealand and Japan.

I usually do not pay attention to idiots who claim that a modest facility in the Arctic can somehow affect global plate tectonics.

113 sattv4u2  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:57:50am

re: #108 darthstar

We’ve got plenty, thanks…still 200 inches of snow in the Sierras...we’ll have run-off and cool streams through August.

Skies are packed

Get the guest room ready, please

114 Semper Fi  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:58:45am

re: #108 darthstar

We’ve got plenty, thanks…still 200 inches of snow in the Sierras…we’ll have run-off and cool streams through August.

That’s gonna be pretty too…

115 sattv4u2  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:58:46am

re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m not touching you.

Don’t make me come back there, you two

116 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 11:59:33am

re: #112 celticdragon

I usually do not pay attention to idiots who claim that a modest facility in the Arctic can somehow affect global plate tectonics.

OH! That HAARP. I was thinking the High Altitude Reconnaissance Probe that Remo Williams destroyed.

117 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:00:20pm

re: #115 sattv4u2

Don’t make me come back there, you two

WHAT?

/silently mouths I’m not touching you

118 sattv4u2  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:00:35pm

re: #99 William of Orange

Was that a mini rapture??

That was the last joke about that.

Could have waited a few days, imho!

They’re still looking for people

119 darthstar  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:00:38pm

re: #113 sattv4u2

Skies are packed

Get the guest room ready, please

My brother went up and skied Squaw Valley on Saturday…said the snow was great…got 20 laps in on KT-22 before his legs gave out and he had to stop. (that’s a steep fucking chair - lots of chutes and moguls all the way down…even some mandatory-air lines if you’re not careful).

120 garhighway  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:01:41pm

re: #119 darthstar

My brother went up and skied Squaw Valley on Saturday…said the snow was great…got 20 laps in on KT-22 before his legs gave out and he had to stop. (that’s a steep fucking chair - lots of chutes and moguls all the way down…even some mandatory-air lines if you’re not careful).

Squaw is an incredible mountain.

121 sattv4u2  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:03:14pm

re: #119 darthstar

My brother went up and skied Squaw Valley on Saturday…said the snow was great…got 20 laps in on KT-22 before his legs gave out and he had to stop. (that’s a steep fucking chair - lots of chutes and moguls all the way down…even some mandatory-air lines if you’re not careful).

How I miss it

Every summer we used to go up to New Hampshire and ski Tuckermans Ravine

You had to hike up it, but only AFTER they declared the end to avalanche season

timefortuckerman.com

122 darthstar  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:03:18pm

re: #120 garhighway

Squaw is an incredible mountain.

It’s nice…Alpine Meadows is on the next ridge south of Squaw…equally epic runs and bowls - actually more intense terrain than Squaw for the most part - almost nothing for beginner skiers.

123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:03:41pm

re: #111 sattv4u2

Yes. They did not have to do a full “Whipple Procedure” on my MIL. They took most of her pancreas, though. Gonna be a long recovery process.

Hopefully they got the tumor. It’s not “pancreatic cancer” but it is cancer on her pancreas.

Smarter people than me know that it is an important distinction.

124 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:04:00pm

re: #119 darthstar

re: #120 garhighway

Ah…The memories!
Squaw Mountian is great…EXCEPT I BROKE MY COLLAR BONE THERE!!
Weird thing is …I broke it with my jaw!!
Better the collar bone than my neck…

125 sattv4u2  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:04:33pm

re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes. They did not have to do a full “Whipple Procedure” on my MIL. They took most of her pancreas, though. Gonna be a long recovery process.

Hopefully they got the tumor. It’s not “pancreatic cancer” but it is cancer on her pancreas.

Smarter people than me know that it is an important distinction.

Prayers and thoughts to you, your wife (who, btw is a saint!) and especially your mil

126 Jack Burton  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:04:58pm

re: #116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OH! That HAARP. I was thinking the High Altitude Reconnaissance Probe that Remo Williams destroyed.

It doesn’t exist… window dressing.

“Blew our only hard piece of evidence right out of court. I’ll bet this guy is filing for his fire-insurance claims right now. I’ve got to take my hat off to this Mr. Grove. He’ll get his appropriations for HARP-2 and HARP-3, and in six months… nobody will even ask him what happened to HARP-1.”

127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:05:27pm

re: #124 reloadingisnotahobby

re: #120 garhighway

Ah…The memories!
Squaw Mountian is great…EXCEPT I BROKE MY COLLAR BONE THERE!!
Weird thing is …I broke it with my jaw!!

Who are you? Sampson? It being the jawbone of an ass and all.
/
BAH DAH DING!

128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:06:36pm

re: #120 garhighway

Squaw is an incredible mountain.

Isn’t “squaw” a Native American slur?

129 sattv4u2  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:07:17pm

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Isn’t “squaw” a Native American slur?

I’ll have to ask the Washington Redskins for a ruling!

130 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:07:31pm

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Who are you? Sampson? It being the jawbone of an ass and all.
/
BAH DAH DING!

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Isn’t “squaw” a Native American slur?

Shouldn’t you be working???
LOL

131 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:07:31pm

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Isn’t “squaw” a Native American slur?

It is.

132 sattv4u2  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:08:39pm

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #130 reloadingisnotahobby

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shouldn’t you be working???
LOL

He is

You think it’s easy coming up with his terrible pun/ posts!?!?!

133 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:09:28pm

re: #126 ArchangelMichael

It doesn’t exist… window dressing.

“Blew our only hard piece of evidence right out of court. I’ll bet this guy is filing for his fire-insurance claims right now. I’ve got to take my hat off to this Mr. Grove. He’ll get his appropriations for HARP-2 and HARP-3, and in six months… nobody will even ask him what happened to HARP-1.”

Still bitter they didn’t make more Remo movies.

134 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:09:43pm

re: #129 sattv4u2

I’ll have to ask the Washington Redskins for a ruling!

All these things were named when Aboriginals were subhuman.

135 Semper Fi  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:10:34pm

Much to do today and a/c tune up coming wed. Ceiling fans only have been used so far this year but, I know what’s on the way. See ya later.

136 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:10:54pm

re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Still bitter they didn’t make more Remo movies.


Yea!!
…”The Adventure Begins” was missleading and false advertising!!
I’m call a Lawyer!!

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:11:16pm

re: #130 reloadingisnotahobby

I spent the better part of two hours cleaning the tv. It sits on a stand and had dust-bunnies bigger and meaner than any in a Monty Python skit. I also vacuumed and polished the living room floor.
.
.
.
Jawbone of an ass… heh…

138 sattv4u2  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:11:55pm

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I spent the better part of two hours cleaning the tv. It sits on a stand and had dust-bunnies bigger and meaner than any in a Monty Python skit. I also vacuumed and polished the living room floor.
.
.
.
Jawbone of an ass… heh…

Do you do windows?
Can you be here every other Wednesday!!

139 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:12:06pm

re: #136 reloadingisnotahobby

Yea!!
…”The Adventure Begins” was missleading and false advertising!!
I’m call a Lawyer!!

They could do a reboot. Have Fred Ward retiring and taking on a new apprentice to take over the job.

140 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:13:23pm

re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It’s been done…Men in Black…
But keep trying for gods sake!!

141 sattv4u2  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:13:52pm

re: #134 b_sharp

All these things were named when Aboriginals were subhuman.

I don’t think that teams that named themselves in such a fashion (Redskins,, Cleveland Indians,,, Florida State Seminoles, et al) did it to say their teams were subhuman

142 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:14:32pm

re: #131 b_sharp

It is.

There is a substantial body of opinion to the contrary. Unlike the infamous “N word” or various other slurs, “squaw” is a legitimate transliteration from an indigenous language, Algonquin in this case.
Reclaiming the Word “Squaw” in the Name of the Ancestors

143 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:14:35pm

re: #140 reloadingisnotahobby

It’s been done…Men in Black…
But keep trying for gods sake!!

STOP THAT RIGHT NOW!

144 sattv4u2  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:15:20pm

And on that note, have to my sons school so he can drive (i.e.,, waste gas) becasue he needs 40 hours of supervised driving before he goes for his license

145 garhighway  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:15:23pm

re: #141 sattv4u2

I don’t think that teams that named themselves in such a fashion (Redskins,, Cleveland Indians,,, Florida State Seminoles, et al) did it to say their teams were subhuman

Cleveland did it to honor the memory of Chief Louis Sockalexis, a former team member who had passed away.

146 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:16:19pm

re: #141 sattv4u2

I don’t think that teams that named themselves in such a fashion (Redskins,, Cleveland Indians,,, Florida State Seminoles, et al) did it to say their teams were subhuman

My friend the die-hard Cowboys fan despises, loathes, and reviles the Washtington Redskins. He calls them the Foreskins, “not just dicks, the part of a dick you cut off and throw away.”

147 sattv4u2  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:16:46pm

re: #145 garhighway

Cleveland did it to honor the memory of Chief Louis Sockalexis, a former team member who had passed away.

My point exactly

Tanks!

148 sattv4u2  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:17:13pm

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel

My friend the die-hard Cowboys fan despises, loathes, and reviles the Washtington Redskins. He calls them the Foreskins, “not just dicks, the part of a dick you cut off and throw away.”

A Cowgirl fan said that!!!

Wow!!

:)

149 sattv4u2  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:17:21pm

BBL

150 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:18:10pm

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel

Have you heard the one about the Rabi whose BIL was a Tanner….?

151 Kragar  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:19:00pm

re: #150 reloadingisnotahobby

Have you heard the one about the Rabi whose BIL was a Tanner…?

“If you rub it, it turns into a suitcase.”

152 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:19:13pm

re: #142 Shiplord Kirel

There is a substantial body of opinion to the contrary. Unlike the infamous “N word” or various other slurs, “squaw” is a legitimate transliteration from an indigenous language, Algonquin in this case.
Reclaiming the Word “Squaw” in the Name of the Ancestors

How has it been used?
The use of it as pejorative is the reason it needs to be reclaimed.

153 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:19:31pm

re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

DING!

154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:21:30pm

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Isn’t “squaw” a Native American slur?

I only bring that up because there are names so common and traditional that people don’t even know they are offensive until someone lets them know.

155 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:21:42pm

Gotta get back to muddy waterline job!

156 DeepBlue  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:26:50pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

(long time reader, yes, first time writer. thanks for the welcome.)

157 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:26:52pm

re: #141 sattv4u2

I don’t think that teams that named themselves in such a fashion (Redskins,, Cleveland Indians,,, Florida State Seminoles, et al) did it to say their teams were subhuman

The Atlanta Braves have been challenged, despite their name that underlines a virtue in the out-group. Any name for a minority can ultimately be made offensive.

158 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:28:14pm

re: #141 sattv4u2

I don’t think that teams that named themselves in such a fashion (Redskins,, Cleveland Indians,,, Florida State Seminoles, et al) did it to say their teams were subhuman

Sure.

Tigers, Lions, Colts, Rams,… They’re all human, right?

Mind you I didn’t say they were named as they were because Aboriginals were subhuman. I said they were named at a time when the common view was of them as less than human, so whether or not the word was pejorative wasn’t relevant to naming teams, mountains or anything else.

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 23, 2011 12:29:18pm
160 Bulworth  Mon, May 23, 2011 2:03:17pm

Fatality from storm now at 116, according to CNN.


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