Pawlenty Eschews Obamneycare

Creationist ex-governor gets cold feet
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One of the odd moments (out of many) at last night’s Republican debate came when moderator John King asked Tim Pawlenty about his attacks on Mitt Romney’s health care plan, using the term “Obamneycare.”

The question here on the campus of Saint Anselm University from CNN moderator John King was straightforward: “Why ‘Obamneycare’?”

It also was completely predictable. By throwing his first serious punch at Romney on the eve of the debate, Pawlenty ensured that his health care attack would come up Monday night.

But when the question came, Pawlenty was caught off guard and offered a succession of halting answers. First he tried to dodge, criticizing President Barack Obama’s approach to health care reform.

King pushed harder: “You don’t want to address why you called Gov. Romney’s, ‘Obamneycare’?”

Pawlenty started backtracking, arguing that he had been asked about “similarities” between the Romney and Obama health care plans. “I just cited President Obama’s own words that he looked to Massachusetts as a blueprint,” Pawlenty said.

King’s follow-up was incredulous: “If it was Obamneycare on ‘Fox News Sunday,’ why is it not Obamneycare standing here, with the governor right there?”

That’s when Pawlenty just seemed to give up, abandoning his line of attack and reiterating: “Using the term ‘Obamneycare’ was a reflection of the president’s comments.”

I suspect that Pawlenty abandoned this line of attack because he realized, as soon as he got out of the Fox News echo chamber, that “Obamneycare” is the single dumbest, clumsiest political neologism ever coined.

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100 comments
1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:01:34am

Ballet dancing with clogs on.

To be honest, they all do it at one point.

2 RanchTooth  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:01:36am

Don’t worry… He’ll appoint plenty of conservative judges who’ll agree with his position that Obamacare and Romneycare are the same. Couldn’t hear that enough times from him last night.

3 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:03:13am

Dumbest and clumsiest is going to get a run for its money during this campaign season.

4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:06:27am

well his refusal to say it to Mitt’s face just shows he’s a coward. Have tyo agree with TPM in that T-Paw shot himself in the foot on that one

5 Winny Spencer  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:08:13am

You’ll never beat Mittens, T-Paw.

And Iowa? It might be Bachmann’s to lose now.

6 RanchTooth  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:08:20am

re: #4 dreggas

well his refusal to say it to Mitt’s face just shows he’s a coward. Have tyo agree with TPM in that T-Paw shot himself in the foot on that one

Yes… It also proves just how spineless he is. He’s not bombastic enough to win in this tea party driven field.

7 mr.fusion  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:08:31am
I suspect that Pawlenty abandoned this line of attack because he realized, as soon as he got out of the Fox News echo chamber, that “Obamneycare” is the single dumbest, clumsiest political neologism ever coined.

Which is why it would have worked with the Tea Party


Romney had a good night Monday, spared criticism by his fellow Republicans. He carried himself well and hit all the right notes. But that didn’t impress Andrew Hemingway, a local Tea Party group leader from New Hampshire.

“I don’t think he has an answer for health care,” Hemingway said.

Hemingway also said that former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty missed a big opportunity during the debate to gain ground on Romney when he was asked to expand on his criticism of the health care program Romney signed into law in Massachusetts in 2006.

I’m convinced they don’t really care what comes out of a candidates mouth as long as they’re an asshole about it

8 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:09:31am

I’m off to run errands

Have a great day all!

9 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:15:16am
But when the question came, Pawlenty was caught off guard and offered a succession of halting answers.

That’s cuz it was a gotcha question. Silly lamestream media with all their gotcha questions.

Couldn’t T-Paw have complained about the gotcha question?

Would love to see SNL do a debate-skit where all the GOP candidates respond to every question with “I won’t answer these types of gotcha questions”.

10 Big Steve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:17:22am

pretty sad group when Michele Bachmann looked the most presidential

11 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:18:11am
12 Randy W. Weeks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:18:49am

re: #10 Big Steve

pretty sad group when Michele Bachmann looked the most presidential

Pretty friggin’ frightening, if you ask me.

13 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:19:14am

Next up for Pawlenty: a spinal implant, because he’s clearly a coward.

14 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:20:24am
“I just cited President Obama’s own words that he looked to Massachusetts as a blueprint,” Pawlenty said.

So, it was President Obama who said “Obamneycare”! Anybody who says I said “Obamneycare” or who shows a video clip of me saying “Obamneycare” is lying!

15 Kid A  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:21:54am

Kinda sucks not having the Fox News banner to shield you eh, Timmy?

16 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:21:55am
17 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:22:23am

re: #11 recusancy

Never mind that he rips the Dems as well. Brooks has exposed himself as a RINO:

The Republican growth agenda — tax cuts and nothing else — is stupefyingly boring, fiscally irresponsible and politically impossible. Gigantic tax cuts — if they were affordable — might boost overall growth, but they would do nothing to address the structural problems that are causing a working-class crisis.

Republican politicians don’t design policies to meet specific needs, or even to help their own working-class voters. They use policies as signaling devices — as ways to reassure the base that they are 100 percent orthodox and rigidly loyal. Republicans have taken a pragmatic policy proposal from 1980 and sanctified it as their core purity test for 2012.

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

18 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:23:01am

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dang it, my pages’s header got messed up

Conservative Spokeswoman says don’t encourage your daughter to be a brain surgeon if it interferes with her having babies

You can edit it. Click on the pencil icon.

19 BongCrodny  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:23:17am

It’s probably a good thing Huntsman didn’t play, because we’d be seeing all sorts of “Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs” analogies.

20 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:23:22am

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dang it, my pages’s header got messed up

Conservative Spokeswoman says don’t encourage your daughter to be a brain surgeon if it interferes with her having babies

Oh, look. More Phyllis Schlafley fail. What a surprise. =P

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21 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:26:03am

re: #18 wrenchwench

You can edit it. Click on the pencil icon.

Ah, so you can. Thanks.

22 Winny Spencer  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:26:40am

Luap Nor is such a horrible debater. Nonsensical rants garner few votes.

23 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:26:40am

re: #17 Lidane

Never mind that he rips the Dems as well. Brooks has exposed himself as a RINO:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

You mean Republicans?

24 mr.fusion  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:28:02am

re: #12 LoneStarSpur

Pretty friggin’ frightening, if you ask me.

It really is

I’d honestly LOVE an alternative to President Obama. I mean I like the guy and plan on voting for him but it would certainly be better for the country and the level of debate to have an honest conversation based in truth and facts……it was abundantly clear last night that we will not be getting that this cycle

25 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:29:46am

Great quote from the David Brooks opinion piece:


Covering this upcoming election is like covering a competition between two Soviet refrigerator companies, cold-war relics offering products that never change.

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

26 BongCrodny  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:31:39am

I didn’t have a lot of respect for the Republican candidates before last night, and nothing changed after watching the debate (okay, okay — *some* of the debate: the Bruins were on), but I took away the same thing that apparently a lot of other people did: I now have even less respect for Pawlenty.

27 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:34:49am

On a non-political note… everything we’ve witnessed, climate wise, could be about to change, thanks to the Sun

28 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:37:36am

re: #27 Capitalist Tool

On a non-political note… everything we’ve witnessed, climate wise, could be about to change, thanks to the Sun

1. There’s a sci fi movie in here somewhere.

2. That’s one wicked picture of the Earth and Sun.

3. “A key thing to understand is that those wonderful, delicate coronal features are actually powerful, robust magnetic structures rooted in the interior of the sun,” Altrock said.
It sounds like he’s describing a menu item.

29 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:37:50am

re: #27 Capitalist Tool

That would give us a slight edge in the fight against the CO2. Would be a stroke of luck.

30 RanchTooth  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:38:31am
31 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:42:49am

re: #29 Obdicut

That would give us a slight edge in the fight against the CO2. Would be a stroke of luck.


We’ve already been seeing that to a certain extent- witness the snow depths at elevation this year in N. America. Snotel data
The sun has been unusually quiescent of late and while at first appearing to start it’s climb out of the hole, has made a reversal.

32 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:43:54am

re: #31 Capitalist Tool

We’ve already been seeing that to a certain extent- witness the snow depths at elevation this year in N. America. Snotel data
The sun has been unusually quiescent of late and while at first appearing to start it’s climb out of the hole, has made a reversal.

The snow depths are a sign of global warming, not the fact that is decreasing.

33 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:45:30am

re: #23 recusancy

You mean Republicans?

Garbled syntax, most likely. I meant that despite the fact that Brooks also rips the Dems, the fact that he rips the GOP will expose him as a RINO to the base.

34 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:46:59am

re: #33 Lidane

Garbled syntax, most likely. I meant that despite the fact that Brooks also rips the Dems, the fact that he rips the GOP will expose him as a RINO to the base.

He rips the Dems but they are offering exactly what he wants. He won’t take yes for an answer if it’s coming from a Dem.

35 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:51:08am

re: #24 mr.fusion

It really is

I’d honestly LOVE an alternative to President Obama. I mean I like the guy and plan on voting for him but it would certainly be better for the country and the level of debate to have an honest conversation based in truth and facts…it was abundantly clear last night that we will not be getting that this cycle

I’d love an alternative to the centrist corporate party (dems) and the nativist bigot corporate party (republicans) but I’m not getting that ever, let alone this cycle

36 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:52:46am

Did they ask ANY questions in the debate last night that were submitted through Twitter or Youtube?

37 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:53:57am

Someone told me on another thread a few days ago, that I was wishing for a king when I said (more or less) that I didn’t see any Ben Franklins or Martin Luther Kings on our political horizon. They went on to say that what we needed was a change in the electorate, because people are too dub to vote the right way (all of this is paraphrased, of course.)
Maybe so, but maybe the people are just disgusted at what they see happening in the world- disgusted with the whole lot of politicians.

38 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:54:22am

re: #36 Alexzander

Did they ask ANY questions in the debate last night that were submitted through Twitter or Youtube?

Didn’t that whole Coke or Pepsi thing come from Twitter?

39 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:54:37am

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The snow depths are a sign of global warming, not the fact that is decreasing.

That just seems counter- intuitive to me.

40 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:56:01am

re: #37 Capitalist Tool

Someone told me on another thread a few days ago, that I was wishing for a king when I said (more or less) that I didn’t see any Ben Franklins or Martin Luther Kings on our political horizon. They went on to say that what we needed was a change in the electorate, because people are too dub to vote the right way (all of this is paraphrased, of course.)
Maybe so, but maybe the people are just disgusted at what they see happening in the world- disgusted with the whole lot of politicians.


Yes, but our political system comes from the people, so if we want a change in the politicians we have, we have to change the system.

41 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:56:58am

re: #40 EmmmieG

And by that I meant the system by which politicians reach their first election, not the electoral system.

Abraham Lincoln and MLK would never have survived America’s hyper-intrusive, quasii-Hollywoodized-system.

42 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:58:19am

re: #40 EmmmieG

Yes, but our political system comes from the people, so if we want a change in the politicians we have, we have to change the system.

So EmmieG, what do we change and how do we change it? Do we amend the Constitution? Hold the Feds accountable when they stray far- afield from their Constitutional authority (of which the examples are legion?)

43 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:58:43am

Speaking of last night’s GOP disaster:

Dan Savage Doesn’t Want Santorum in His Face

Heh.

44 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:58:46am

re: #39 Capitalist Tool

That just seems counter- intuitive to me.

Alouette explains it well:

Global warming—>polar icecap melt—>more moisture in the atmosphere—>more precipitation—>SNOW if it’s winter—>RAIN if it’s spring or summer.

Also see this:

The La Niña episode this year is an example with lots of snow in the north while severe drought afflicts the south. But, in the north, this year’s gains are only a small blip on a century-long snowpack decline.

45 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:58:51am

you beat me to it.

46 iossarian  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:59:00am

re: #40 EmmmieG

Yes, but our political system comes from the people, so if we want a change in the politicians we have, we have to change the system.

This is true, with the caveat that in the US, it is far too easy for the wealthy to buy votes. It’s a real chicken-and-egg problem, but with stricter campaign finance laws, I would bet you would see a significant move to the left on economic policy.

47 Ming  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:59:09am

Maybe Pawlenty wants to keep his options open, if Romney gets the nomination, and asks Pawlenty to be his running mate.

48 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:59:42am

re: #37 Capitalist Tool

Someone told me on another thread a few days ago, that I was wishing for a king when I said (more or less) that I didn’t see any Ben Franklins or Martin Luther Kings on our political horizon. They went on to say that what we needed was a change in the electorate, because people are too dub to vote the right way (all of this is paraphrased, of course.)
Maybe so, but maybe the people are just disgusted at what they see happening in the world- disgusted with the whole lot of politicians.

Neither of who were presidents. Both would be out of office in a heart beat now due to sex scandals. Franklin would be filthy rich and pulling the puppet strings of politicians instead of being one.

49 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:00:00am

re: #42 Capitalist Tool

So EmmieG, what do we change and how do we change it? Do we amend the Constitution? Hold the Feds accountable when they stray far- afield from their Constitutional authority (of which the examples are legion?)

I knew I needed to post my second post. I was talking about the system by which candidates reach the ballot. A candidate with anything to hide, or who doesn’t hold up well on television will never do. They also have to be able to raise ridiculous amounts of money.

How many terrific leaders didn’t pass these tests?

50 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:00:09am

re: #47 Ming

Maybe Pawlenty wants to keep his options open, if Romney gets the nomination, and asks Pawlenty to be his running mate.

Doubtful. If either gets the nomination, the party leadership is going to require a far-left running mate to “balance the ticket.”

51 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:00:27am

re: #47 Ming

Maybe Pawlenty wants to keep his options open, if Romney gets the nomination, and asks Pawlenty to be his running mate.


I think that’s true for every single candidate in that debate

They all wanna be #2 if Romney’s #1

52 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:00:30am

re: #50 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Doubtful. If either gets the nomination, the party leadership is going to require a far-left right running mate to “balance the ticket.”

53 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:00:31am

re: #42 Capitalist Tool

So EmmieG, what do we change and how do we change it? Do we amend the Constitution? Hold the Feds accountable when they stray far- afield from their Constitutional authority (of which the examples are legion?)

Fix the filibuster for one.

54 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:00:54am

re: #39 Capitalist Tool

That just seems counter- intuitive to me.

Ice caps melt, water released into the atmosphere, released into the environment as precipitation, rain or snow depending on local conditions.

55 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:02:21am

Pawlenty showed a “lack of sack.” In this game, that pretty much eliminates you from winning. He could have answered the question 10 different ways and come out OK, but when the heat was on, he either choked or chickened out. None of the big money will be going to Pawlenty. Bachmann showed that at least among “MineSOOOtans,” she was the “better man.”

56 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:02:31am

re: #44 publicityStunted

Alouette explains it well:

Also see this:

Pardon, I didn’t mean to take this thread off track with comments anout the sun.
Now that we’re in this, what you just referenced to me seem to be saying the opposite thing… maybe I’m just thick… snow pack decreasing due to global warming/snowpack increasing due to global warming. I know that La Nina is regarded as the greatest mover/shaker in our weather patterns (North America) this year.

57 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:02:55am

re: #42 Capitalist Tool

So EmmieG, what do we change and how do we change it? Do we amend the Constitution? Hold the Feds accountable when they stray far- afield from their Constitutional authority (of which the examples are legion?)

Can you give some examples of when the Feds have strayed far afield from their Constitutional authority?

58 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:04:06am

re: #57 recusancy

Can’t you?

59 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:05:21am

Obamneycare! Priceless! He should use it. It would be the most exciting thing about T-Paw…who was outdone by Bachmann…Two Minnesotans enter, only one comes out alive…yah.

60 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:05:22am

re: #58 Capitalist Tool

Can’t you?

So that’s a no?

61 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:06:22am

re: #58 Capitalist Tool

Can’t you?

It does appear that the onus is on you as you yourself stated that the examples were “legion”…shouldn’t be hard. We’re patient.

62 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:06:40am

JFK would never have made it to the presidency. Coolidge would have put everyone to sleep. Lincoln was ugly. (He’s my hero, but even he knew that.) Madison was short. Many of them had unpleasant speaking voices.

Maybe we should have a rule that the presidential race is conducted entirely in print. Or…I love this idea…they can hire actors to portay them on television while they get the real work done behind the scenes.

(Most of America would be perfectly happy with that suggestion.)

63 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:07:50am

re: #56 Capitalist Tool

Now that we’re in this, what you just referenced to me seem to be saying the opposite thing… maybe I’m just thick… snow pack decreasing due to global warming/snowpack increasing due to global warming. I know that La Nina is regarded as the greatest mover/shaker in our weather patterns (North America) this year.

It’s a difference between short-term trends and long-term trends.

Short-term = lots of precipitation in the form of winter snow

Long-term = precipitation not enough to undo decades of melt/decline (in other words, all that excess snow isn’t going to last very long or stick around)

64 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:08:03am

re: #61 darthstar

It does appear that the onus is on you as you yourself stated that the examples were “legion”…shouldn’t be hard. We’re patient.

I’ll go make some popcorn tea.

65 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:08:47am

re: #62 EmmmieG

Maybe we should have a rule that the presidential race is conducted entirely in print. Or…I love this idea…they can hire actors to portay them on television while they get the real work done behind the scenes.

Presidential sims/avatars!

66 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:09:20am

re: #39 Capitalist Tool

That just seems counter- intuitive to me.

Not at all.

Global Warming—>polar ice melt—>evaporation—>increased mosture in atmosphere—>increase in precipitation—>SNOW in winter—>RAIN in spring/summer

67 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:10:22am

Off topic, but Doctor Who is now on its mid-season break. When it goes back to new episodes in a few months, the first one has the most awesome name ever.

68 theheat  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:10:32am

re: #62 EmmmieG

Martin Sheen would be awfully busy.
/

69 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:10:42am

Huntsman has announced he’s going to announce:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

70 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:10:46am

re: #63 publicityStunted

It’s a difference between short-term trends and long-term trends.

Short-term = lots of precipitation in the form of winter snow

Long-term = precipitation not enough to undo decades of melt/decline (in other words, all that excess snow isn’t going to last very long or stick around)

Short term - I get to ski in July this year.
Long term - glaciers are disappearing. A big snow year doesn’t replace 30 years of melting.

71 iossarian  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:10:56am

re: #66 Alouette

Not at all.

Global Warming—>polar ice melt—>evaporation—>increased mosture in atmosphere—>increase in precipitation—>SNOW in winter—>RAIN in spring/summer

—> more time spent indoors thinking up examples of “the feds straying far afield from their constitutional authority”

72 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:12:21am

re: #69 Decatur Deb

Considering that the last person to do this didn’t run, I don’t think he will either.

73 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:12:50am

re: #69 Decatur Deb

Huntsman has announced he’s going to announce:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Huntsman is in the hunt? I hope iRomney attacks him as some kind of religious freak…(see what I did there?)

74 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:13:11am

re: #66 Alouette

Not at all.

Global Warming—>polar ice melt—>evaporation—>increased mosture in atmosphere—>increase in precipitation—>SNOW in winter—>RAIN in spring/summer

Alouette- though seldom discussed, I’d think that world- wide pumping water from aquifers might add to that total precipitation. I’ve not seen any figures- perhaps the amount we pump out of the ground is just an insignificant part of the whole… maybe someone here knows.

75 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:13:25am

re: #72 ProLifeLiberal

Considering that the last person to do this didn’t run, I don’t think he will either.


Says he will make if official in one week. There might be enough oxygen on the TPGOP for one Mormon—there isn’t enough for two.

76 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:13:54am

re: #70 darthstar

Short term - I get to ski in July this year.
Long term - glaciers are disappearing. A big snow year doesn’t replace 30 years of melting.

The original point was relative solar quiescence…

77 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:14:11am

re: #75 Decatur Deb

Says he will make if official in one week. There might be enough oxygen on the TPGOP for one Mormon—there isn’t enough for two.

See how fast they double in population? They’re dangerous!

78 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:14:14am

re: #69 Decatur Deb

Huntsman has announced he’s going to announce:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

What was that sad, mournful sound just now? Oh, that was Huntsman’s political career going up in smoke.

79 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:15:11am

re: #78 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What was that sad, mournful sound just now? Oh, that was Huntsman’s political career going up in smoke.

True that—improves Biden’s chances in 2016.

80 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:15:19am

re: #78 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What was that sad, mournful sound just now? Oh, that was Huntsman’s political career going up in smoke.

I’d try for something witty, but am confined to “who’s Huntsman?”

81 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:16:05am

re: #75 Decatur Deb

Says he will make if official in one week. There might be enough oxygen on the TPGOP for one Mormon—there isn’t enough for two.

Actually, it might make Romney less of a freak.

82 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:16:06am

re: #80 Capitalist Tool

I’d try for something witty, but am confined to “who’s Huntsman?”

The Right’s “dream candidate,” the guy all seem sure can win the presidency, even if they can’t really tell how he’s any different from the rest of the pack.

83 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:16:28am

re: #76 Capitalist Tool

The original point was relative solar quiescence…

The last decade wasn’t big on solar activity either, which makes the warming we did see all the more ominous - if solar activity is low, the whole world should be in a cooling phase, and instead we had the opposite. Something had to account for that, and that something was CO2 emissions.

84 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:16:43am

re: #71 iossarian

—> more time spent indoors thinking up examples of “the feds straying far afield from their constitutional authority”

Tea is done…

85 Winny Spencer  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:16:47am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

True that—improves Biden’s chances in 2016.

A former VP running against President Romney? Would be audacious, for sure.

86 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:18:28am

re: #74 Capitalist Tool

Alouette- though seldom discussed, I’d think that world- wide pumping water from aquifers might add to that total precipitation. I’ve not seen any figures- perhaps the amount we pump out of the ground is just an insignificant part of the whole… maybe someone here knows.

Increased moister in the atmosphere is due to the fact that warmer air can hold more moisture. Not because more moisture is available. The earth is covered in water. Moisture is always available.

87 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:18:43am

re: #85 Winny Spencer

A former VP running against President Romney? Would be audacious, for sure.

Ha—actually a kick-ass 2016 Dem would be Rahm Emanuel. He has good Chicago credentials.

88 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:19:05am

re: #87 Decatur Deb

Ha—actually a kick-ass 2016 Dem would be Rahm Emanuel. He has good Chicago credentials.

But he’s a JOO!

89 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:19:59am

re: #87 Decatur Deb

Ha—actually a kick-ass 2016 Dem would be Rahm Emanuel. He has good Chicago credentials.

No thanks. We don’t need another Clintonian centrist.

90 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:20:02am

re: #88 Alouette

But he’s a JOO!

By 2016 they’ll make him a sekrit muslin.

91 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:22:31am

re: #89 recusancy

No thanks. We don’t need another Clintonian centrist.

We’re going to get a something-centrist. Nature of US politics.

92 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:22:40am

re: #89 recusancy

No thanks. We don’t need another Clintonian centrist.

Better than a Tea Party “moderate”.

93 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:22:53am

re: #87 Decatur Deb

Ha—actually a kick-ass 2016 Dem would be Rahm Emanuel. He has good Chicago credentials.

I want Kirsten Gillibrand.

94 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:24:15am

re: #89 recusancy

If we’re talking about mayors what about former Denver Mayor and current Colorado Governor Hickenlooper?

95 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:24:17am

‘course, now that Huntsman has committed career suicide and declared his intention to jump in, I wonder if others will follow? Palin perhaps? Or Perry? Christie?

96 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:24:24am

re: #93 publicityStunted

I want Kirsten Gillibrand.

She has potential.

97 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:24:30am

Like her stuff, but I think she used by all her luck getting elected. Would you settle for a healthy Gabby Giffords?

98 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:24:58am

re: #97 Decatur Deb

Yes I would. That would be fantastic.

99 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:27:05am

re: #42 Capitalist Tool

So EmmieG, what do we change and how do we change it? Do we amend the Constitution? Hold the Feds accountable when they stray far- afield from their Constitutional authority (of which the examples are legion?)

Still waiting for those examples that are legion.

100 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:47:26pm

re: #99 recusancy

Still waiting for those examples that are legion.

haha yeah I think we’re not going to get any


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