The Newtiny Spreads: Gingrich’s Finance Team Bails

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This one’s gonna leave a mark: Gingrich campaign finance team quits.

The top fundraisers for Newt Gingrich’s presidential campaign have abandoned his struggling bid amid anemic fundraising and heavy spending.

Campaign spokesman R.C. Hammond is confirming to The Associated Press that fundraising director Jody Thomas and fundraising consultant Mary Heitman have left the team.

Instead of stealing rock music to play at their rallies, the Republican Party should just use public domain circus music.

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1 Summer Seale  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:26:31am
Instead of stealing rock music to play at their rallies, the Republican Party should just use public domain circus music.

Best quote of my day. =)

2 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:27:55am

No amount of spin will save Newt's abortive campaign attempt. Doomed is he.

3 Summer Seale  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:28:51am

Or, better yet, the new Gingrich campaign ad:

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4 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:29:57am

If this keeps up, Newtie might have to fond himself a real job.

5 jaunte  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:30:17am

Maybe Gingrich should try a fresh new look

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6 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:30:31am

PIMF: find

7 sproingie  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:30:55am

Now that you mention it, I wonder if the GOP could be convinced to open their convention with a song that has such a manly and imposing title as "Entry of the Gladiators".

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8 sproingie  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:31:59am

Dammit, beaten by 20 seconds :(

9 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:32:32am

Well dip me in shit ...roll me in crackers...I'm SHOCKED!!
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10 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:32:36am

re: #7 sproingie

That's what I was looking for! That one gets added to the post.

11 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:34:24am

Heh. I couldn't remember the name of that piece - knew it was something sarcastic. "Entry of the Gladiators."

12 iossarian  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:35:00am

re: #7 sproingie

Now that you mention it, I wonder if the GOP could be convinced to open their convention with a song that has such a manly and imposing title as "Entry of the Gladiators".

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Hmm. If I looked like a 19th-century Eraserhead with a comedy 'tasche and a receding hairline, I'd probably end up writing clown entry music too.

13 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:35:56am

And elsewhere among GOP hopefuls: Jon Huntsman announces, and it was a comedy of errors.

They spelled his freakin' name wrong. The wrong address for the campaign HQ. Bad TV camera location.

McCain's old crew in action. Heh.

14 mr.fusion  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:36:43am

Here's my vote for GOP Primary theme song

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15 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:37:55am

re: #5 jaunte

The Killer Klown one is good too.

Funny - the top comment on the classical orchestra version:

Theme song of modern politics.

16 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:44:58am

Don't worry, his third (or perhaps fourth) wife will take care of everything.

17 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:50:25am

re: #13 makeitstop

And elsewhere among GOP hopefuls: Jon Huntsman announces, and it was a comedy of errors.

They spelled his freakin' name wrong. The wrong address for the campaign HQ. Bad TV camera location.

McCain's old crew in action. Heh.

I hate, I mean really hate, saying this, but all of this only serves to make Rick Perry look better. :-/

Not to me, mind you. I mean that in the credible candidate sense.

18 Uncle Meat  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:55:02am

re: #17 JasonA

I hate, I mean really hate, saying this, but all of this only serves to make Rick Perry look better. :-/

Not to me, mind you. I mean that in the credible candidate sense.

Local talk radio station here in Austin played some clips of Perry giving a speech recently, trying hard to sound all presidential-y. A caller said Perry sounded like he was doing an impression of Will Ferrel doing an impression of GW Bush. The host agreed. We'll see how far Perry gets with a reception like that...

19 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:56:34am

re: #17 JasonA

I hate, I mean really hate, saying this, but all of this only serves to make Rick Perry look better. :-/

Not to me, mind you. I mean that in the credible candidate sense.

From my point of view, the viables are Romney, Perry, Cain, and Bachmann. Palin's running a stealth campaign but I think she's outmaneuvered by Perry and Bachmann. The other candidates that are officially in are not only being outdone by Ron Paul but they're essentially pale reflections of those four.

I could be wrong, but that's how I see it shaping up between now and January.

20 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 10:58:37am

re: #18 Uncle Meat

Local talk radio station here in Austin played some clips of Perry giving a speech recently, trying hard to sound all presidential-y. A caller said Perry sounded like he was doing an impression of Will Ferrel doing an impression of GW Bush. The host agreed. We'll see how far Perry gets with a reception like that...

Goodhair, out of the current pack of governors who are rumored to be on the candidacy short list, will probably play well with the GOP base. He practically oozes religious nuttery, claims "success" in Texas even as the state slowly sinks into debt (despite chucking everyone with a less than six-figure salary over the side), and plays well to the "states rights" crowd because he's pressed a "secession" button a few dozen times.

Frankly, I'd be surprised if he didn't receive he nomination, assuming he ever jumped into the pool. The question is now is "Will he or won't he?"

21 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:00:20am

re: #14 mr.fusion

Here's my vote for GOP Primary theme song

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Seriously. That pretty much sums up the race for the GOP nod right now.

22 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:01:43am

Heh Newt's a joke.

23 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:01:59am

re: #20 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Goodhair, out of the current pack of governors who are rumored to be on the candidacy short list, will probably play well with the GOP base. He practically oozes religious nuttery, claims "success" in Texas even as the state slowly sinks into debt (despite chucking everyone with a less than six-figure salary over the side), and plays well to the "states rights" crowd because he's pressed a "secession" button a few dozen times.

Frankly, I'd be surprised if he didn't receive he nomination, assuming he ever jumped into the pool. The question is now is "Will he or won't he?"

The question is, does the rest of the country really want another Texas Republican governor in the White House? We just had one for eight years.

24 leftynyc  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:02:44am

re: #18 Uncle Meat

Local talk radio station here in Austin played some clips of Perry giving a speech recently, trying hard to sound all presidential-y. A caller said Perry sounded like he was doing an impression of Will Ferrel doing an impression of GW Bush. The host agreed. We'll see how far Perry gets with a reception like that...

They got that from Morning Joe - I saw it this morning before I left for work.

25 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:03:38am

re: #20 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Goodhair, out of the current pack of governors who are rumored to be on the candidacy short list, will probably play well with the GOP base. He practically oozes religious nuttery, claims "success" in Texas even as the state slowly sinks into debt (despite chucking everyone with a less than six-figure salary over the side), and plays well to the "states rights" crowd because he's pressed a "secession" button a few dozen times.

Frankly, I'd be surprised if he didn't receive he nomination, assuming he ever jumped into the pool. The question is now is "Will he or won't he?"

re his chances of winning, I reference (can't find to link) my comment the other day about how it really depends on how big and unified the Tea Party is among the Republican Party. Yeah, they're loud, but how big are they?

Noisy but small, it's Romney.
Large and Unified, it'll be a tea partier with the winner determined before the convention.
Large but splintered and the resolution happens at the convention - buy shares in popcorn.

26 Uncle Meat  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:04:08am

re: #24 leftynyc

Interesting, it was on yesterday afternoon, guess it's really that similar!

27 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:04:29am

re: #13 makeitstop

And elsewhere among GOP hopefuls: Jon Huntsman announces, and it was a comedy of errors.

They spelled his freakin' name wrong. The wrong address for the campaign HQ. Bad TV camera location.

McCain's old crew in action. Heh.

Ugh. It was a really stupid move for him to even think about running in today's environment. He should have waited for the GOP to recover from this Tea Party nonsense. They're going to need serious candidates in the future.

28 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:04:35am

re: #23 Lidane

The question is, does the rest of the country really want another Texas Republican governor in the White House? We just had one for eight years.

I think any GOP run pretty much relies upon the economy taking a nosedive between now and next November. Things remain as they or improve even slightly, then Obama might as well start planning out his next four years. Of the current pack, the only guy who actually poses a serious threat is Romney, and that's before he gets crammed through the Tea Party strainer.

29 stockman  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:04:53am

Love the music selection. . . a sprightly tune as an introduction to grim slaughter for the edification and amusement of the citizenry. Wonder if the gladiators/candidates appreciate(d) the irony.

30 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:05:24am

re: #20 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Goodhair, out of the current pack of governors who are rumored to be on the candidacy short list, will probably play well with the GOP base. He practically oozes religious nuttery, claims "success" in Texas even as the state slowly sinks into debt (despite chucking everyone with a less than six-figure salary over the side), and plays well to the "states rights" crowd because he's pressed a "secession" button a few dozen times.

Frankly, I'd be surprised if he didn't receive he nomination, assuming he ever jumped into the pool. The question is now is "Will he or won't he?"

Intrade puts his entry at .74, his getting the nomination at .16.

31 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:06:17am

re: #25 kirkspencer

re his chances of winning, I reference (can't find to link) my comment the other day about how it really depends on how big and unified the Tea Party is among the Republican Party. Yeah, they're loud, but how big are they?

Noisy but small, it's Romney.
Large and Unified, it'll be a tea partier with the winner determined before the convention.
Large but splintered and the resolution happens at the convention - buy shares in popcorn.

I'm convinced it's more the third situation, but I think that the splintering is gonna ultimately favor Romney, as the rest of the pack will split the Tea Party badly. You're probably right that it will go to the convention, which will only increase the GOP's problems, as it will mean spending the entire summer engaged in political trench warfare.

32 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:08:47am

re: #18 Uncle Meat

Local talk radio station here in Austin played some clips of Perry giving a speech recently, trying hard to sound all presidential-y. A caller said Perry sounded like he was doing an impression of Will Ferrel doing an impression of GW Bush. The host agreed. We'll see how far Perry gets with a reception like that...

Goodhair's polling in single digits [Note: the link's a PDF] here in Texas. If he can't even win over Republican voters here as any kind of credible candidate for POTUS, his chances outside of Texas are worse.

33 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:09:11am

Who the hell sees Newt and thinks "this man should be president." He's well read but most of what he touches turns to shit. ANd his blatant race baiting involving President Obama says volumes about him.

34 gehazi  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:09:36am

re: #32 Lidane

Goodhair's polling in single digits [Note: the link's a PDF] here in Texas. If he can't even win over Republican voters here as any kind of credible candidate for POTUS, his chances outside of Texas are worse.

But he's a prophet! Nobody in their hometownsstates take them seriously!

35 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:09:51am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Who the hell sees Newt and thinks "this man should be president."

Why, Newt does, of course.

36 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:10:02am

re: #28 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I think any GOP run pretty much relies upon the economy taking a nosedive between now and next November. Things remain as they or improve even slightly, then Obama might as well start planning out his next four years. Of the current pack, the only guy who actually poses a serious threat is Romney, and that's before he gets crammed through the Tea Party strainer.

Yes. Which is why a number of Republican leaders are playing brinksmanship with the economy and resisting recovery mechanisms.

What frightened and saddened me is that when I posited this to some Republican friends, they not only agreed with my interpretation, they said it was the right thing to do. Better to prevent recovery and to risk falling off into a second major recession than to see Obama win a second term.

37 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:10:11am

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Ugh. It was a really stupid move for him to even think about running in today's environment. He should have waited for the GOP to recover from this Tea Party nonsense. They're going to need serious candidates in the future.

Agreed. I wish he'd waited until 2016. The current GOP is so full of reactionary/TP fail that he won't stand a chance. Plus, there's already another rich Mormon running, so Huntsman has his work cut out for him.

38 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:11:05am

re: #31 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm convinced it's more the third situation, but I think that the splintering is gonna ultimately favor Romney, as the rest of the pack will split the Tea Party badly. You're probably right that it will go to the convention, which will only increase the GOP's problems, as it will mean spending the entire summer engaged in political trench warfare.

You forget that splintering doesn't matter as much because this time the delegates of each state are split proportionally instead of winner take all. Romney can't win with just a plurality.

39 gehazi  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:11:15am

re: #31 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You're right that the more infighting there is, the more benefit to Romney. But there is a huuuuuge chunk of the GOP primary electorate that despises him and wants anybody But him as the nominee (well anybody but him or Huntsman).

40 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:11:25am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Who the hell sees Newt and thinks "this man should be president." He's well read but most of what he touches turns to shit. ANd his blatant race baiting involving President Obama says volumes about him.

Why Newt, of course. The man is a legend in his own mind, still believing that the party faithful look upon him as some kind of messianic figure, rather than as the man who blew away any Republican advantage and ultimately made Bill Clinton look like the hero during his own impeachment.

41 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:11:38am

re: #36 kirkspencer

What frightened and saddened me is that when I posited this to some Republican friends, they not only agreed with my interpretation, they said it was the right thing to do. Better to prevent recovery and to risk falling off into a second major recession than to see Obama win a second term.

Fiscal responsibility, y'all!

42 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:12:26am

re: #37 Lidane

Agreed. I wish he'd waited until 2016. The current GOP is so full of reactionary/TP fail that he won't stand a chance. Plus, there's already another rich Mormon running, so Huntsman has his work cut out for him.

But wouldn't he face the same problems with his candidacy that he's facing today? He'll still be a Mormon who used to work for Obama.

And I don't think the TP will have gone away by 2016, unless one of their ranks does something monumentally stupid.

43 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:12:56am

re: #36 kirkspencer

What frightened and saddened me is that when I posited this to some Republican friends, they not only agreed with my interpretation, they said it was the right thing to do. Better to prevent recovery and to risk falling off into a second major recession than to see Obama win a second term.

Can we question their patriotism yet?

44 gehazi  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:13:00am

re: #37 Lidane

Eh, he's just raising his own profile for 2016. Especially true if he sticks with his principles and not unnecessarily attacking other candidates.

45 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:13:24am

re: #42 makeitstop

But wouldn't he face the same problems with his candidacy that he's facing today? He'll still be a Mormon who used to work for Obama.

And I don't think the TP will have gone away by 2016, unless one of their ranks does something monumentally stupid.

Sure, but he'd at least have the next four years to play the grown up in the room and carve out a national profile for himself as a statesman instead of a whackjob TP reactionary.

46 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:14:05am

re: #36 kirkspencer

Yes. Which is why a number of Republican leaders are playing brinksmanship with the economy and resisting recovery mechanisms.

What frightened and saddened me is that when I posited this to some Republican friends, they not only agreed with my interpretation, they said it was the right thing to do. Better to prevent recovery and to risk falling off into a second major recession than to see Obama win a second term.

Did you look at them and tell them that you didn't want to hear that "wanting Obama to fail does not mean wanting America to fail" bullshit ever again?

47 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:14:57am

re: #45 Lidane

Sure, but he'd at least have the next four years to play the grown up in the room and carve out a national profile for himself as a statesman instead of a whackjob TP reactionary.

True.

Additionally, he wouldn't be running against Obama at that point, either. Running against Biden (or a long-shot primary challenger) would be a lot easier, IMO.

48 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:15:36am

re: #38 kirkspencer

You forget that splintering doesn't matter as much because this time the delegates of each state are split proportionally instead of winner take all. Romney can't win with just a plurality.

Hmm, good point. I'd forgotten that they'd changed things around this time, which might make this even more interesting.

49 Idle Drifter  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:15:56am

re: #35 makeitstop

Why, Newt does, of course.

Every time he stands in front of the mirror naked he says, "That's one sexy bitch."

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OK, I'll go get the buckets and brain bleach.

50 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:17:11am

re: #20 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Goodhair, out of the current pack of governors who are rumored to be on the candidacy short list, will probably play well with the GOP base. He practically oozes religious nuttery, claims "success" in Texas even as the state slowly sinks into debt (despite chucking everyone with a less than six-figure salary over the side), and plays well to the "states rights" crowd because he's pressed a "secession" button a few dozen times.

Frankly, I'd be surprised if he didn't receive he nomination, assuming he ever jumped into the pool. The question is now is "Will he or won't he?"

Concur. I love these conservative exceptionalists, threatening to secede from God's Favorite Country.

51 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:17:29am

re: #47 makeitstop

True.

Additionally, he wouldn't be running against Obama at that point, either. Running against Biden (or a long-shot primary challenger) would be a lot easier, IMO.

If I had money, I'd bet it on Biden not running.

52 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:18:01am

re: #49 Idle Drifter

Every time he stands in front of the mirror naked he says, "That's one sexy bitch."

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OK, I'll go get the buckets and brain bleach.

Don't forget the wire-bristle brushes.

53 Idle Drifter  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:18:34am

re: #52 makeitstop

Don't forget the wire-bristle brushes.

Steel or brass?

54 gehazi  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:18:37am

re: #47 makeitstop

True.

Additionally, he wouldn't be running against Obama at that point, either. Running against Biden (or a long-shot primary challenger) would be a lot easier, IMO.

I've sworn off even the thought of voting GOP for at least 10 years, but I can think of at least a dozen people I'd rather see as the Dem nominee in 2016 than Biden.

55 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:18:46am

re: #47 makeitstop

True.

Additionally, he wouldn't be running against Obama at that point, either. Running against Biden (or a long-shot primary challenger) would be a lot easier, IMO.

Biden won't run. He had a 30+ year Senate career before becoming VP. I'm sure once Obama leaves office, so will he. His kids are grown and he's in his 70's. Might as well go out as VP, you know?

2016 will be a completely open run for POTUS should Obama win and serve out a second term. Hopefully that means some new blood will come in.

56 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:19:20am

re: #46 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Did you look at them and tell them that you didn't want to hear that "wanting Obama to fail does not mean wanting America to fail" bullshit ever again?

Their argument is that Obama is a greater threat should he win a second term, supplemented by the argument that a second recession (falling off the brink) is a low-odds risk.

In other words, they believe the options area low short-term gain and low risk against large long-term loss. Pay now, or pay later.

What I've not been able to drag from them is the outline of the large long-term loss. I get the "intuitively obvious to the casual observer" response instead.

57 gehazi  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:20:39am

re: #55 Lidane

I think he's vain enough to run (or at least talk seriously about it), but I don't think he'll get much support. Does anybody these days really think he's more a benefit than a liability to Obama?

58 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:21:00am

re: #55 Lidane

Ugh. Birthday fail. Biden isn't 70 yet. But he'd be in his early 70's when he leaves office if he and Obama get a second term.

59 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:21:43am

re: #55 Lidane

Biden won't run. He had a 30+ year Senate career before becoming VP. I'm sure once Obama leaves office, so will he. His kids are grown and he's in his 70's. Might as well go out as VP, you know?

2016 will be a completely open run for POTUS should Obama win and serve out a second term. Hopefully that means some new blood will come in.

Hillary will try again in 2016.

60 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:22:35am

re: #57 gehazi

I think he's vain enough to run (or at least talk seriously about it), but I don't think he'll get much support. Does anybody these days really think he's more a benefit than a liability to Obama?

Nah. I think he's going to go out as VP. I don't see him doing anything serious for his own 2016 run. I'm expecting him to say he's had a good political career/life, but it's time to leave it to the younger generations, or something.

61 Idle Drifter  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:23:46am

re: #60 Lidane

That would be a honorable thing for Biden to do.

62 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:23:58am

re: #58 Lidane

Ugh. Birthday fail. Biden isn't 70 yet. But he'd be in his early 70's when he leaves office if he and Obama get a second term.

Every so often I get to imagining wild hairs. One of them is that General Petraeus announces retirement in early 2015 so he can run for the presidency - as a Democrat.

63 aagcobb  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:25:12am

re: #38 kirkspencer

You forget that splintering doesn't matter as much because this time the delegates of each state are split proportionally instead of winner take all. Romney can't win with just a plurality.

But running for president is expensive. Luap nor's insane but well-heeled acolytes can keep him in the race, but other candidates need to appear viable in order to draw enough donations to keep running. The race should winnow down to Romney v. anti-Romney (whether that's Perry, Bachmann TPaw or someone else) and luap nor pretty quickly, and someone will have enough delegates to win the nomination going into the Convention.

64 allegro  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:25:23am

re: #32 Lidane

Goodhair's polling in single digits [Note: the link's a PDF] here in Texas. If he can't even win over Republican voters here as any kind of credible candidate for POTUS, his chances outside of Texas are worse.

That is a very interesting poll. Respondents are definitely weighted to the conservative, Christian side and the mythical Tea Party candidate wins over the mythical Republican candidate for president. Yet, with all of the deficit hysteria from that side of the fence, by a HUGE majority, cuts to education and public services are not supported. By smaller margins but still significant, they don't support any revenue raising ideas either.

65 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:28:09am

I don't see TPaw going anywhere, really. Look at how little we even bother to say bad things about him around here...

66 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:29:21am

re: #56 kirkspencer

Their argument is that Obama is a greater threat should he win a second term, supplemented by the argument that a second recession (falling off the brink) is a low-odds risk.

In other words, they believe the options area low short-term gain and low risk against large long-term loss. Pay now, or pay later.

What I've not been able to drag from them is the outline of the large long-term loss. I get the "intuitively obvious to the casual observer" response instead.

So, in other words, gamble that things won't be "so bad," but bad enough that Obama will be beatable. Then, when the GOP takes back office, things will suddenly get better overnight and America's second Golden Age will begin.

But if they crap out and we end up in a Second Great Depression, what then? Oh, can't happen. I mean, we're America, God smiles upon us, how could it possibly ever be that bad again? *rolls eyes*

67 aagcobb  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:30:46am

re: #65 JasonA

I don't see TPaw going anywhere, really. Look at how little we even bother to say bad things about him around here...

I think he absolutely has to win Iowa in order to become the viable alternative to Romney.

68 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:33:42am

re: #63 aagcobb

But running for president is expensive. Luap nor's insane but well-heeled acolytes can keep him in the race, but other candidates need to appear viable in order to draw enough donations to keep running. The race should winnow down to Romney v. anti-Romney (whether that's Perry, Bachmann TPaw or someone else) and luap nor pretty quickly, and someone will have enough delegates to win the nomination going into the Convention.

You're still not paying attention. Luap Nor consistently gets 10 to 12% of the primary votes. That means he's going to hold about 10% of the delegates. Even if it comes to Romney v anti-Romney, Romney is probably going to be limited to a plurality when he needs a majority. That makes for back-room deals at the convention. Worse for Republicans, it means a constant barrage of playing to the base for delegates and far less time moving back to the center for the general election.

I said if, because while it's expensive there are a couple of deep pocket opportunists in the pack who can play the same game Romney and Huckabee did last time. Add the realization that even if "your" candidate doesn't win, if they hold more than 10% then your AGENDA gets play at the convention, and pockets open again.

I see Romney, Paul, and two of (Perry, Bachmann, Cain, Palin) staying in to the end. But that's just my swag, and I repeat that in the end it depends on how unified and large the Tea Party and its supporters really are. We won't know till late February best, and more likely we'll have to wait till after Super Tuesday.

69 allegro  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:34:51am

re: #66 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, in other words, gamble that things won't be "so bad," but bad enough that Obama will be beatable. Then, when the GOP takes back office, things will suddenly get better overnight and America's second Golden Age will begin.

But if they crap out and we end up in a Second Great Depression, what then? Oh, can't happen. I mean, we're America, God smiles upon us, how could it possibly ever be that bad again? *rolls eyes*

It makes my head hurt to think about this dissonance and real short memory. How the hell did the country get here? And what are these Repub candidates campaigning on to solve the problems their policies created? The same fucking things!

*going to take an aspirin and wash it down with rum*

70 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:36:22am

re: #53 Idle Drifter

Steel or brass?

You choose. I ain't particular...

71 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:40:48am

re: #69 allegro

It makes my head hurt to think about this dissonance and real short memory. How the hell did the country get here? And what are these Repub candidates campaigning on to solve the problems their policies created? The same fucking things!

*going to take an aspirin and wash it down with rum*

I view it a lot like the old joke about communism, namely "It just didn't work because the wrong people were implementing it." Or, in this case, they believe that Reagan and Dubya were on the right track to solving all of America's problems and still having money left over to buy every American a brand new Corvette, but those "damned liberals" then went and mucked everything up. Hence why their policies always rely upon America giving them all three houses with large majorities, because only through single-party rule can the GOP make America "great."

And stop hogging all the rum!/

72 theheat  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:41:49am

Looks like there was some memo sharing going on when the last team that quit Newt FW FWd "This guy sucks" to his shiny new financial team who agreed, took the rest of the day off, and met up with the last Team Newt quitters at the corner bar for dollar well drinks to talk, coincidentally, about how much Newt sucks.

73 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:42:03am

Whoops. Michelle Bachmann did a baaaad thing.
She used taxpayer money to help pay for one of her "Tea Party" rallies.
That's a no-no, as those funds cannot be used for political rallies.


Report: Bachmann used taxpayer funds for tea party rally

WASHINGTON - Presidential candidate Michele Bachmann spent $3,407 of taxpayer funds allotted to her congressional office to help rent a sound system for a tea party-backed rally against President Obama's health care bill in 2009, according to a report this morning from Roll Call.

House rules say taxpayer money cannot be used for strictly political events, although the funds can be used for press conferences, which is how the event was described.

However, the newspaper reports that no questions were asked during the Nov. 9, 2009 event which, "opened with a prayer, the national anthem and a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance."

Fellow Reps. Steve King (R-IA) and Todd Akin (R-MO) also contributed $3,407 toward the rental of the sound system at the same event.

Roll Call says the rally is not the only questionable use of taxpayer funds by Bachmann's congressional office.

74 aagcobb  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:42:21am

re: #68 kirkspencer

Is the GOP going to have superdelegates? I would think the deals would get done before the convention; the GOP establishment has to know that having a floor fight for the nomination at the convention would be absolutely disastrous for the party. Romney/Perry as the ticket maybe?

75 simoom  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:42:45am

A modern 'Red Scare' campaign ad, featuring Chinese troops marching on the capital:

Youtube Video

The candidate promises to avert this fate by not raising the debt limit.

76 theheat  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:43:14am

re: #73 RadicalModerate

But God told her He approved, and that's all she needs.
//

77 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:44:20am

re: #75 simoom

A modern 'Red Scare' campaign ad, featuring Chinese troops marching on the capital:

[Video]The candidate promises to avert this fate by not raising the debt limit.

They'll leave us alone if we don't pay them back? I dunno. It doesn't work with collection agencies.

Trust me...

78 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:44:28am

re: #75 simoom

A modern 'Red Scare' campaign ad, featuring Chinese troops marching on the capital:

[Video]The candidate promises to avert this fate by not raising the debt limit.

But pay no attention to the debt limit increases during Bush's presidency, as obvious those didn't count.

//

79 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:46:13am

re: #75 simoom

The candidate promises to avert this fate by not raising the debt limit.

So what's the plan if we default and end up in another Great Depression?

80 gehazi  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:46:35am

re: #68 kirkspencer

You're still not paying attention. Luap Nor consistently gets 10 to 12% of the primary votes. That means he's going to hold about 10% of the delegates.

I had a hard time tracking down the information, but the proportional representation thing only applies to pre-April primaries and states are allowed to apply floors below which a candidate will not get any delegates. Apparently the details are up to individual states, but I expect many to establish floors in the 10-15% range, specifically to target people like Luap Nor Rm.

From this RNC memo:

iv. A state may establish a minimum threshold of the percentage of votes received
by a candidate that must be reached below which a candidate may receive no
delegates, provided such threshold is no higher than 20%.
v. A state may establish a minimum threshold of the percentage of votes received
by a candidate that must be reached above which the candidate may receive
all the delegates, provided such threshold is no lower than 50%.

81 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:46:50am

re: #74 aagcobb

Is the GOP going to have superdelegates? I would think the deals would get done before the convention; the GOP establishment has to know that having a floor fight for the nomination at the convention would be absolutely disastrous for the party. Romney/Perry as the ticket maybe?

Yes they will have superdelegates. 501 "unpledged" to (currently) 1901 "pledged" delegates. But remember, some of those superdelegates belong to people like Bachmann and DeMint.

Again, you might be right in your prediction. But it really boils down to something we don't yet know: how large and how unified is the Tea Party?

82 aagcobb  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:48:06am

I know that this may not be a popular pov, but going into debt is a good thing. We one our idependence buy going into debt; we saved the union going into debt and we ended the Great Depression and defeated fascism going into debt.

83 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:48:14am

re: #68 kirkspencer

but parties are not constitutional public entities and outcomes are not guaranteed to be democratic. the people who really run the parties have written into the rules ways of putting their thumbs on the scale and they want romney to win, so he will, regardless of luap nor or whatever he might want

the real negotiation will be wall st negotiating with teabag rank and file who have the crusader enthusiasm

84 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:48:32am

re: #79 Lidane

So what's the plan if we default and end up in another Great Depression?

They all have their golden parachutes so fuck everybody else.

85 allegro  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:48:43am

re: #79 Lidane

So what's the plan if we default and end up in another Great Depression?

Same as the Republican plan for after we got Saddam and Mission Accomplished and their plan for after they repeal "Obamacare"...

Nuthin', they don't need no steenking plan. God will take care of everything.

86 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:48:50am

re: #79 Lidane

So what's the plan if we default and end up in another Great Depression?

Hey now, no need to fret. We've got more than enough monthly tax revenue to cover all our debts. Sure, the economy will crash when we have to enact massive budget cuts due to lack of sufficient funds to cover all our obligations, but it's not like we really need that spending anyway. If we did, then we wouldn't be in debt, now would we?

///

87 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:48:59am

re: #73 RadicalModerate

Whoops. Michelle Bachmann did a baaad thing.
She used taxpayer money to help pay for one of her "Tea Party" rallies.
That's a no-no, as those funds cannot be used for political rallies.

Report: Bachmann used taxpayer funds for tea party rally

The red flag is that all of them put in the same amount - probably to avoid detection by not going over a certain dollar limit.

Pass the popcorn. They could all be in dutch.

88 gehazi  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:49:08am

re: #81 kirkspencer

Again, you might be right in your prediction. But it really boils down to something we don't yet know: how large and how unified is the Tea Party?

More precisely: how large and unified will they become in the midst of a competitive primary schedule?

89 gehazi  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:49:23am

re: #79 Lidane

So what's the plan if we default and end up in another Great Depression?

Mad Max?

90 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:49:32am

re: #79 Lidane

Given that the super-rich (top 5% income level) actually did well financially compared to pretty much everyone else during the Great Depression, I'm guessing that how the "common folk" do really isn't of concern to them.

91 theheat  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:49:54am

re: #79 Lidane

Homeskoold child labor in coal mines? Famous dustbowl covers? A whole bunch of this:

Youtube Video
92 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:50:03am

re: #89 gehazi

Mad Max?

So, who gets to play Lord Humungous?

93 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:50:50am

re: #92 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, who gets to play Lord Humungous?

Limbaugh, of course. =P

94 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:51:03am

re: #80 gehazi

I had a hard time tracking down the information, but the proportional representation thing only applies to pre-April primaries and states are allowed to apply floors below which a candidate will not get any delegates. Apparently the details are up to individual states, but I expect many to establish floors in the 10-15% range, specifically to target people like Luap Nor Rm.

From this RNC memo:

Use this link, it breaks things down nicely. You'll see that most of the states having primaries after April 1 still do some form of proportional.

95 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:51:17am

re: #75 simoom

A modern 'Red Scare' campaign ad, featuring Chinese troops marching on the capital:

[Video]The candidate promises to avert this fate by not raising the debt limit.

Let me guess....he's a Birch Society influenced Tea Partier.

96 gehazi  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:55:14am

re: #94 kirkspencer

Use this link, it breaks things down nicely. You'll see that most of the states having primaries after April 1 still do some form of proportional.

Good site, thanks. It still does not appear to have detailed state information on what floor they are using for PP allocation, which could end up mattering a great deal. If all the PP states set a 15% floor, then Luap will end up with no voice at all come convention time, and if it's 5% or lower, a significant one.

97 gehazi  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:57:01am

re: #92 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worldsre: #93 Lidane

Limbaugh would get mowed down in about 3 days, in that scenario.

I'm rooting for Ahnold. Maybe Chuck Norris.

98 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:57:19am

re: #79 Lidane

So what's the plan if we default and end up in another Great Depression?

plan? plan? the republican party is still declaring that the best way to bring the unemployment rate down is to lower taxes across the board!

99 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 11:59:39am

re: #98 engineer dog

plan? plan? the republican party is still declaring that the best way to bring the unemployment rate down is to lower taxes across the board!

Not across the board, just for the super, super rich.

100 gehazi  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:00:30pm

re: #99 Alouette

Right, to balance the budget they'll sadly have to raise taxes on the bottom 25% or so. Pay your way!

101 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:01:05pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Let me guess...he's a Birch Society influenced Tea Partier.

Speaking of tea party influence, I've just paged this new angle on McCain's "it's all the illegals fault!!1!" douchebaggery:

McCain blames illegal immigrants for AZ wildfires - 4 years after saying CA wildfires were 'symptoms' of climate change

GOP devolution in every way imaginable.

102 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:04:12pm

15 minutes of derp....

Miss USA 2011 - 51 Delegates Interview (Q2 - Evolution taught in school)

Youtube Video
103 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:04:27pm

re: #100 gehazi

Right, to balance the budget they'll sadly have to raise taxes on the bottom 25% or so. Pay your way!

G-D hates the poor so fuck 'em.

104 zora  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:05:42pm

re: #101 publicityStunted

i guess illegal immigrants cause climate change./

105 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:06:21pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

15 minutes of derp...

Miss USA 2011 - 51 Delegates Interview (Q2 - Evolution taught in school)

[Video]

"You should be knowledged about it"

106 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:08:29pm

re: #100 gehazi

Right, to balance the budget they'll sadly have to raise taxes on the bottom 25% or so. Pay your way!

Yes, the only way to make America great again is by making the rich richer. Sure, the rest of us peasants will have to get by without any social safety net, without any sort of constraints on abusive companies, or any of the luxuries we've come to take as "rights," such as weekends or the 40-hr work week. But hey, eggs, omelets, and all that stuff.

///

107 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:09:46pm

re: #100 gehazi

Right, to balance the budget they'll sadly have to raise taxes on the bottom 25% or so. Pay your way!

We all must share in this time of hardship.

Now watch this drive.

108 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:10:45pm

Come on now, was feudalism really all that bad?

109 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:12:24pm

re: #108 JasonA

Come on now, was feudalism really all that bad?

at least under feudalism the lords were pledged to protect their peasants from attack

these days peasants are on their own

110 nines09  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:12:45pm

I guess Newt couldn't live within his means. Couldn't show responsible fiscal responsibility. Had to spend more than he had. Figures. All his ideas and schemes were for the rubes. Like the suckers who gave him money. His life was special. Is there an outside chance his wife could pack up and take the rest with her? That would be Karma with a capital K. Newt Gingrich Disgraced Former Speaker of The House. Ha.Ha.Ha.Ha. Now just go away and cry.

111 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:13:14pm

re: #108 JasonA

Come on now, was feudalism really all that bad?

Ask Luap Nor. He was probably there, given how much he wants to bring it back. =P

112 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:15:32pm

re: #111 Lidane

I was shocked to learn that Ron Paul is older than John McCain.

Goes to show that Ron Paul has done anything strenuous or useful for his whole pampered life.

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:23:11pm

re: #19 kirkspencer

From my point of view, the viables are Romney, Perry, Cain, and Bachmann. Palin's running a stealth campaign but I think she's outmaneuvered by Perry and Bachmann. The other candidates that are officially in are not only being outdone by Ron Paul but they're essentially pale reflections of those four.

I could be wrong, but that's how I see it shaping up between now and January.

Out of those, I feel that only Romney and Perry have the actual necessary skills to get through the whole thing...not saying too many insanely weird things on the campaign trail, saying coherent things about fiscal and foreign policy, not referring to Obama as 'the Usurper' in public...maybe I underestimate Cain and Bachmann, but I don't think so.

114 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:24:15pm

re: #111 Lidane

Ask Luap Nor. He was probably there, given how much he wants to bring it back. =P

He was probably in that room in Palestine saying 'What have the Romans ever done for us?'

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:25:01pm

re: #50 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Concur. I love these conservative exceptionalists, threatening to secede from God's Favorite Country.

I think they believe they can take the exceptional with them.

Which raises a question: if the wingnuts' new friends, the Confederates, had won the war, which nation would have gotten to keep the exceptionalism in the divorce?

116 aagcobb  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:25:29pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

That is presuming that saying insane things is a detriment to success in the GOP primaries.

117 martinsmithy  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:25:35pm

While there are still several clowns in the bunch, the ongoing implosion of Gingrich's campaign, the non-candidacy to date of Sarah Palin, and the entry into the campaign of the eminently serious Jon Huntsman, spells some trouble for the Democrats and President Obama in 2012.

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:25:35pm

re: #54 gehazi

I've sworn off even the thought of voting GOP for at least 10 years, but I can think of at least a dozen people I'd rather see as the Dem nominee in 2016 than Biden.

Oh, I bet I could make it an even hundred if I researched.

119 martinsmithy  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:27:36pm

re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist

Joe Biden will be 73 years old in 2016. A year older than McCain when he ran in 2008. He will not be the nominee.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:27:58pm

re: #75 simoom

A modern 'Red Scare' campaign ad, featuring Chinese troops marching on the capital:

[Video]The candidate promises to avert this fate by not raising the debt limit.

I'm sure the Chinese won't invade us if we owe them only a honking buttload of money. But we owed them a squawking buttload, who knows what might happen?

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:29:05pm

re: #78 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

But pay no attention to the debt limit increases during Bush's presidency, as obvious those didn't count.

//

We've got to get responsible sometime. A time when a Democrat can take the flack is as good a time as any.

//

122 aagcobb  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:29:12pm

re: #117 martinsmithy

While there are still several clowns in the bunch, the ongoing implosion of Gingrich's campaign, the non-candidacy to date of Sarah Palin, and the entry into the campaign of the eminently serious Jon Huntsman, spells some trouble for the Democrats and President Obama in 2012.

I guess that depends on just how insane the GOP base is. No rational person would imagine that Bachmann should be allowed anywhere near the nuclear button, but I expect her to win Iowa and wouldn't be surprised if she emerges as the anti-Romney.

123 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:29:19pm

re: #119 martinsmithy

Joe Biden will be 73 years old in 2016. A year older than McCain when he ran in 2008. He will not be the nominee.

A year older and with more than 40 years in politics by that point. I really don't see the guy running for POTUS after eight years as Veep.

124 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:31:49pm

OT, but I'm following some tornado warnings in Minnesota via Google Earth and these tools from the National Weather Service.

There's a Tornado Warning in western Minnesota's Kandiyohi County where the storm cell is about 6 miles southwest of Willmar, MN and looks to be moving NW. The other tornado warning is in Dakota County, but the cell that I think produced the warning has moved out of the warning area. The cell is about 12 miles southeast of St Paul, 17 miles SE of Minneapolis, and 5 mile east of Eager, MN. Like the cell in Kandiyohi County, it too looks to be moving NW.

125 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:33:17pm

re: #122 aagcobb

I guess that depends on just how insane the GOP base is. No rational person would imagine that Bachmann should be allowed anywhere near the nuclear button, but I expect her to win Iowa and wouldn't be surprised if she emerges as the anti-Romney.

I wouldn't trust most of the current GOP near the nuke codes. Too many reactionary/TP types for my comfort.

126 aagcobb  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:33:40pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

I hope you aren't seriously thinking China might invade the US. China's rise as a military power is simply going to restore the US to the position it held after WWII and Britain held prior, as the balancer of power, only now in Asia rather than Europe. India, Indonesia, Vietnam, the Phillipines, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan will all be cosying up to the US to serve as the counterweight to China.

127 gehazi  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:33:59pm

re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, I bet I could make it an even hundred if I researched.

How many Democratic representatives and senators are there?

// (but only slightly)

128 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:37:08pm

re: #124 commadore183

Looks like the tornado warning for Kandiyohi County has expired. The warning for Dakota County has moved northward to encompass the north-central part of the county, including cities such as Eagan, Inver Grove Heights, and Sunfish Lake.

129 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:37:20pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

Out of those, I feel that only Romney and Perry have the actual necessary skills to get through the whole thing...not saying too many insanely weird things on the campaign trail, saying coherent things about fiscal and foreign policy, not referring to Obama as 'the Usurper' in public...maybe I underestimate Cain and Bachmann, but I don't think so.

Reality check: would the "insanely weird things" deter everyone, just the non-Republicans or just the non-Tea Partiers?

One more time: if the Tea Party proportion is large, then what's "insanely weird" for the rest of us is "running to the base" for them.

I don't know how large it is or how unified it is. I THINK it's "only" about 25% of Republicans, plus the TP candidate will pull about half of the fellow travelers who form another 25-30% of the party. That means the TP candidate(s) will 'only' get about 35 to 40% of the pledged delegates. I THINK they're not a unified block, so they'll actually split that between a couple of favorites. Reading between lines, I think it means Romney gets about 45%, the two TP leaders split another 40%, and the remaining 15% goes to also-rans who will probably (with the exception of Ron Paul) give their delegates to one of the three leaders in exchange for favors to be determined later.

So yeah, I think it's going to be Romney, and decided around mid-April. But I Do Not Know, and there is enough noise and indicator to say the other two possibilities exist.

As an aside, if Romney does get the nod and does not win the presidency (per my expectations), 2016 will be the true Year of the Zealot. You think this year's been crazy...

130 Lidane  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:39:23pm

re: #117 martinsmithy

While there are still several clowns in the bunch, the ongoing implosion of Gingrich's campaign, the non-candidacy to date of Sarah Palin, and the entry into the campaign of the eminently serious Jon Huntsman, spells some trouble for the Democrats and President Obama in 2012.

Except that Huntsman:

a) is a rich Mormon when there's already one (Mitt Romney) in the race
b) resigned his governorship to work for the Seekrit Mooslim Kenyan Overlord (i.e., Obama)
c) isn't a raving lunatic like Bachmann or an Ayn Rand disciple like Luap Nor

He doesn't stand much of a chance in the current GOP no matter how eminently serious he is. He would have been better off waiting until 2016.

131 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:41:59pm

re: #130 Lidane

Except that Huntsman:

a) is a rich Mormon when there's already one (Mitt Romney) in the race
b) resigned his governorship to work for the Seekrit Mooslim Kenyan Overlord (i.e., Obama)
c) isn't a raving lunatic like Bachmann or an Ayn Rand disciple like Luap Nor

He doesn't stand much of a chance in the current GOP no matter how eminently serious he is. He would have been better off waiting until 2016.

Besides - in the highly unlikely event that Huntsman got the GOP nomination, all Obama would have to do in the first debate is talk about the good old days when Huntsman served his administration honorably.

Game over.

132 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:48:40pm

Looks like the tornado warning for Dakota County has been cancelled/expired.

133 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:50:11pm

re: #131 makeitstop

Besides - in the highly unlikely event that Huntsman got the GOP nomination, all Obama would have to do in the first debate is talk about the good old days when Huntsman served his administration honorably.

Game over.

Kind of like how Meg Whitman talked about how awesome California was when she first arrived there? When her opponent was governor? Ah, that was a classic...

134 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:52:52pm

New tornado warning, this time for Marquette County in WI:
WFUS53 KMKX 211945
TORMKX
WIC077-212015-
O.NEW.KMKX.TO.W.0008.110621T1945Z-110621T2015Z

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MILWAUKEE/SULLIVAN WI
245 PM CDT TUE JUN 21 2011

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN SULLIVAN HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
MARQUETTE COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL WISCONSIN...

* UNTIL 315 PM CDT

* AT 241 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO. THIS DANGEROUS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR MONTELLO...OR 17 MILES NORTHEAST OF PORTAGE...AND MOVING NORTH AT 35 MPH.

* THIS TORNADIC STORM WILL BE NEAR...
WESTFIELD AROUND 255 PM CDT.

OTHER LOCATIONS IMPACTED BY THIS TORNADIC THUNDERSTORM INCLUDE HARRISVILLE AND NESHKORO.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A STURDY BUILDING. THE SAFEST PLACE TO BE DURING A TORNADO IS IN A BASEMENT. GET UNDER A WORKBENCH OR OTHER PIECE OF STURDY FURNITURE. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...A VEHICLE OR OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND PROTECT YOURSELF FROM FLYING
DEBRIS.

xx

LAT...LON 4388 8917 4387 8920 4380 8919 4381 8918
4376 8918 4377 8924 4372 8925 4373 8954
4399 8956 4399 8917
TIME...MOT...LOC 1945Z 181DEG 29KT 4381 8933

$$

DAVIS

135 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 12:56:55pm

re: #133 JasonA

Kind of like how Meg Whitman talked about how awesome California was when she first arrived there? When her opponent was governor? Ah, that was a classic...

i got to meet meg on her campaign - she was pleasant and astonishingly clueless - i told her to lose the wonderful life lesson stories about how she learned humility even though she had just graduated from harvard business school and landed a top job in a big company

136 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 1:01:14pm

re: #135 engineer dog

i got to meet meg on her campaign - she was pleasant and astonishingly clueless - i told her to lose the wonderful life lesson stories about how she learned humility even though she had just graduated from harvard business school and landed a top job in a big company

Yeah, a good humility story involves drunken benders or tweeted crotch-shots.

137 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 1:15:07pm

New tornado warning:


BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MILWAUKEE/SULLIVAN WI
306 PM CDT TUE JUN 21 2011

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN SULLIVAN HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
NORTHWESTERN GREEN LAKE COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL WISCONSIN...
NORTHEASTERN MARQUETTE COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL WISCONSIN...

* UNTIL 330 PM CDT

* AT 304 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO. THIS DANGEROUS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR PRINCETON...OR 17 MILES SOUTHWEST OF BERLIN...AND MOVING NORTH AT 30 MPH.

* THIS TORNADIC STORM WILL AFFECT MAINLY RURAL AREAS OF NORTHEASTERN MARQUETTE AND NORTHWESTERN GREEN LAKE COUNTIES...INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING LOCATIONS NESHKORO.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A STURDY BUILDING. THE SAFEST PLACE TO BE DURING A TORNADO IS IN A BASEMENT. GET UNDER A WORKBENCH OR OTHER PIECE OF STURDY FURNITURE. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...A VEHICLE OR OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND PROTECT YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.

xx

LAT...LON 4375 8916 4378 8930 4399 8926 4398 8897
TIME...MOT...LOC 2007Z 198DEG 28KT 4383 8920

$$

DAVIS
138 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 1:23:26pm

Now 2 more tornado warnings: western Buffalo and far eastern Washaba County until 4:15PM CDT, and far eastern Green Lake and western Fond du Lac County until 3:45 PM CDT.

139 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 1:42:54pm

The storm that has produced the tornado warning in Buffalo County, WI is about 6 miles east of Wabasha and is moving north at about 25 miles an hour. The tornadic storm will be near the following:
*Urne: 335PM
*Misha Mokwa: 340PM
*Maxville: 345PM
*The Big Swamp Area: 350PM

The Marquette/Green Lake counties storm is moving NE at about 25 MPH and is located about 10 miles SW of Berlin and will pass out of the area at around 400PM.

The tornado warning for North Central Dodge County has been cancelled as the storm moved out of the area. The tornado warning for eastern Green Lake and western Fond du Lac remains until 345PM. The storm is located near Brandon, 8 miles NW of Waupun, and is moving north at around 25 MPH. The storm will be near Ripon and Green Lake at around 345PM, or about now.

140 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 1:57:56pm

re: #139 commadore183

Thanks for the nostalgic tour around Wisconsin! I hope everybody is OK.

141 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jun 21, 2011 2:19:57pm

re: #140 wrenchwench

Hehehe, no problem. I hope everyone is okay as well.

Just a few updates on warnings (I was away from the PC to eat some dinner):
Looks like the tornado warning for Buffalo County has been cancelled. The storm has weakened and moved out of the area.

A tornado warning remains in effect for northern Green Lake County until 430PM (CDT). The tornadic storm is about on top of Berlin, WI now.

The tornado warning for NE Green Lake County is cancelled as the storm has moved out of the warning area. Fond du Lac county is no longer under a tornado warning.

There's now a tornado watch for much of lower MI until 10PM CDT (11PM EDT).

TORNADOES...HAIL TO 2.5 INCHES IN DIAMETER... THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS TO 70 MPH... AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS.

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 65 STATUTE MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 25 MILES EAST SOUTHEAST OF KALAMAZOO MICHIGAN TO 25 MILES WEST NORTHWEST OF HOUGHTON LAKE MICHIGAN. FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE

This tornado watch doesn't affect my area, but I'll be keeping an eye on it.


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