Pawlenty Bails

Almost all creationists, and all climate change deniers
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Following the Iowa straw poll, one of the climate change denying creationist Republican candidates dropped out this morning — leaving only six other creationists and eight climate change deniers in the GOP race: Pawlenty Drops Out.

The final straw poll results:

  • Michele Bachmann 4823 (creationist)
  • Ron Paul 4671 (creationist)
  • Tim Pawlenty 2293 (creationist)
  • Rick Santorum 1657 (creationist)
  • Herman Cain 1456 (creationist)
  • Rick Perry (write-in) 718 (creationist)
  • Mitt Romney 567 (not a creationist last time he was asked, but may have become one)
  • Newt Gingrich 385 (gives different answers on creationism depending who asks)
  • Jon Huntsman 69 (probably not a creationist; doesn’t stand a chance)
  • Thaddeus McCotter 35 (creationist)

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75 comments
1 Kronocide  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:38:29am

Pawlenty Palins.

2 dragonfire1981  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:38:40am

I am sure there are plenty of reasonable creationist politicians out there...aren't there?

3 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:39:47am

Unless I am missing something, we are essentially down to a 3-horse race (Perry, Romeny, Bachmann) 450 days out.

4 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:40:08am

Huntsman on AGW

This is an issue that ought to be answered by the scientific community; I'm not a meteorologist. All I know is 90 percent of the scientists say climate change is occurring. If 90 percent of the oncological community said something was causing cancer we'd listen to them. I respect science and the professionals behind the science so I tend to think it's better left to the science community - though we can debate what that means for the energy and transportation sectors.

5 blueraven  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:41:31am

Bachmann was on all the Sunday morning talk shows. The only one who seemed to ask the really tough questions was David Gregory. This woman has an uncanny ability to not answer a direct question. In her delusional mind, the S&P "proved her right" in the debt ceiling debacle.

Her unwillingness to raise the debt ceiling under any circumstances is exactly the mind set that caused S&P to downgrade US credit.

6 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:43:24am
Mitt Romney 567 (not a creationist last time he was asked, but may have become one)


Ha!

7 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:45:29am

re: #4 Rightwingconspirator

Huntsman is a soft denier. He doesn't deny climate change is happening -- he just says we don't need to really do anything about it very soon.

It amounts to the same thing.

8 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:46:59am

The interesting question now is:

How many of these fine feathered candidates are Domionists?

9 Kronocide  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:47:18am

re: #4 Rightwingconspirator

Huntsman on AGW

This is an issue that ought to be answered by the scientific community; I'm not a meteorologist. All I know is 90 percent of the scientists say climate change is occurring. If 90 percent of the oncological community said something was causing cancer we'd listen to them. I respect science and the professionals behind the science so I tend to think it's better left to the science community - though we can debate what that means for the energy and transportation sectors.

The scientific community says we should dramatically affect our carbon output. What does Huntsman say about that?

10 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:47:38am

Iowa. 4 years ago Romney won the straw poll. Yet Huckabee won the Iowa Republican primary in Iowa while in the end McCain won the national Republican race. Finally, Iowans voted for Obama.

I'd be curious to know if Iowa Republicans, in this current anti-government revanchist movement of theirs, would be willing to sacrifice the billions in farm subsidies their state receives in the name of fiscal conservatism. If not then they' far from being ideologically consistent. Which of course would be identical to the hypocrisy of the current crop of Republican candidates.

11 wee fury  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:48:59am

Does not surprise me.

12 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:49:30am

Perry Introduces Himself to New Hampshire

"...he won't go to Washington to be liked..."

13 wee fury  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:50:04am

The Iowa straw poll is stuffed.
My opinion, of course.

14 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:52:23am

re: #12 jaunte

Perry Introduces Himself to New Hampshire

"...he won't go to Washington to be liked..."

Nah. He'll only "go to Washington" to pick up some Stimulus™ money to balance the Texas state budget. I'm still fascinated with this. How he can slam the stimulus yet turn around and use that money to balance a budget that was in the red because of his own fiscal policies as governor of that state. Professional politician however always present themselves as being outside of the Beltway establishment. That typically lasts 24 hours upon arrival to DC.

15 allegro  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:52:52am

Speaking of Perry... this is a great article I read this morning:

Ladies and Gents: The Real Rick Perry

I'm a Texan and I really can't stand that guy, maybe even more than I couldn't stand his predecessor. This article opened even my eyes to more crap this grifter has pulled that I was unaware of... though certainly not surprised. We gotta keep this guy far away from Washington.

16 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:53:04am

re: #9 BigPapa

Yes he may well be insufficient in his approach to evolution and creationism both. Yet the gap between him and Bachmann is pretty stark. Since an economy like this threatens any President, Obama may well lose the election, it's valid to point out the candidate with a more resonable view. After all one of these may become President.

It's valid I suppose to wish for the looniest to win the primary and count on the general electorate to send that one home. But the risk of that backfiring is substantial.

17 blueraven  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:55:00am

re: #13 wee fury

The Iowa straw poll is stuffed.
My opinion, of course.

I dont think that's a secret. Candidates literally buy votes with free food, musical entertainment and other free goodies. The whole thing is just ridiculous and hardly a conservative ideal.

18 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:55:12am

Michele Bachmann really loves her some corndogs.

Image: ZZ3A5CD926.jpg

19 Four More Tears  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:58:35am

re: #18 Charles

Michele Bachmann really loves her some corndogs.

Image: ZZ3A5CD926.jpg

A caption contest would be inappropriate for this site, I think...

20 Kid A  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:00:10am

re: #18 Charles

Michele Bachmann really loves her some corndogs.

Image: ZZ3A5CD926.jpg

This photo is a hanging curveball for so many on this site.

21 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:00:40am

re: #15 allegro

With Rick Perry in charge, it's not enough to be Number One.

• Amount of Carbon Dioxide Emissions – 1st
• Amount of Volatile Organic Compounds Released into Air – 1st
• Amount of Toxic Chemicals Released into Water – 1st
• Amount of Recognized Cancer-Causing Carcinogens Released into Air – 1st
• Amount of Hazardous Waste Generated – 1st

Gov. Rick Perry Sues The EPA Over Greenhouse Gas Regulation

22 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:01:32am

re: #14 Gus 802

Nah. He'll only "go to Washington" to pick up some Stimulus™ money to balance the Texas state budget. I'm still fascinated with this. How he can slam the stimulus yet turn around and use that money to balance a budget that was in the red because of his own fiscal policies as governor of that state. Professional politician however always present themselves as being outside of the Beltway establishment. That typically lasts 24 hours upon arrival to DC.

IOKIYAR. And the MSM will never hold him accountable for the inconsistency. They never hold Republicans accountable for their inconsistencies. Besides they want the horse race, facts and policies be damned.

23 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:02:37am

re: #1 BigPapa

Pawlenty Palins.

Awwwwww! Poor T-Paw.

24 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:06:14am

Two representatives that between them have accomplished very little in the House. Yeah, that's who these Iowa Republicans want as the next president. Oh and both are nuts.

25 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:07:48am

re: #15 allegro

Speaking of Perry... this is a great article I read this morning:

Ladies and Gents: The Real Rick Perry

I'm a Texan and I really can't stand that guy, maybe even more than I couldn't stand his predecessor. This article opened even my eyes to more crap this grifter has pulled that I was unaware of... though certainly not surprised. We gotta keep this guy far away from Washington.

Thanks, very eyeopening article for those of us unfamiliar with Perry. I don't want this guy anywhere near the White House.

26 Bob Dillon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:08:01am

I still like Ike.

27 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:08:43am

re: #26 Bobibutu

I still like Ike.

He's dead Jim

28 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:08:57am

And yet Newt is still in????

29 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:09:21am

It's interesting seeing the creation/evolution since I recall in 2008 that Huckabee was the only adamant GOP front runner against evolution. McCain, Romney, and Giuliani all said they believed in at the time but as said about Romney he changes his mind on everything.

30 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:09:59am

re: #14 Gus 802

Nah. He'll only "go to Washington" to pick up some Stimulus™ money to balance the Texas state budget. I'm still fascinated with this. How he can slam the stimulus yet turn around and use that money to balance a budget that was in the red because of his own fiscal policies as governor of that state.


He'll then turn around and flat out lie about it, because he calculates not enough people are paying attention. From his announcement speech:

As Governor, I’ve had to deal with the consequences of this national recession. In 2003, and again this year, my state faced billions of dollars in budget shortfalls. But we worked hard, we made tough decisions, we balanced our budget. Not by raising taxes, but by setting priorities and cutting government spending. It can and it must be done in Washington, DC.
[Link: blog.chron.com...]
31 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:10:04am

almost over night I've become a devout antiCreationist....I consider those crackpots to be detrimental to my health and welfare

32 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:10:33am

re: #28 Iwouldprefernotto

And yet Newt is still in???

Hell, so is Herman Cain. Huntsman should throw in the towel too. No amount of MSM stroking was going to help him.

33 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:10:49am

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Evolution operates at it's fastest pace in political positions and candidates. we several new species every flip flop.

34 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:11:18am

re: #30 jaunte

He'll then turn around and flat out lie about it, because he calculates not enough people are paying attention. From his announcement speech:

Yeah. And Perry's "priority" was to use that stimulus money while no one was looking -- at least he likes to pretend no one was looking. To balance the books.

35 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:11:57am

re: #34 Gus 802

Yeah. And Perry's "priority" was to use that stimulus money while no one was looking -- at least he likes to pretend no one was looking. To balance the books.

Just like the banks did.

36 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:13:47am

re: #35 Rightwingconspirator

Just like the banks did.

Free market! Right. I think that would be TARP though as opposed to the stimulus. Although it wouldn't surprise me if banks got their hands on some stimulus money.

37 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:16:07am

re: #8 Surabaya Stew

The interesting question now is:

How many of these fine feathered candidates are Domionists?

Depends on what's meant by that. I've found that "dominionism" is used interchangably with Christian Reconstructionism and that Reconstructionist ideas are attributed to people not associated with that movement.

Going by that definition, Perry would be the closest to it, due to Bryan Fischer/AFA's sponsorship of that Response gigantic prayer meeting he threw last week. Bachmann, too, because her own religious background. Both kiss up to that guy Vander Plaats of that slavery pledge. Denominationally and theologically he's closer to Christian Reconstruction as any (try this post at my site for more on his background.)

I did find it interesting that Herman Cain has been a speaker at those Family Leader things, but we could hear a pin drop from him about the pledge (which he did not sign.) He is ordained in the National Baptist Convention, USA which is one of the backbones of the Black voting bloc conservatives resent so much. Not saying there are no "dominionists" in the NBC, USA, not at all. But Cain is out on a limb on that.

My personal preference is "Christian-supremacist". Generally, the idea that Christian conservatives of the type who think themselves everyone's superiors are supposed to rule, and get special rights from the government. To me, that also includes LDS bigots like the people behind Prop 8, Beck, and the aholes he steals from Ezra Taft Benson and Cleon Skousen. Would it include Romney and Huntsman? In my mind, no, and also no to their being dominionists. But I think a lot of people would have disagreements with that. It's debatable.

Catholics who throw in with them over abortion and antigay marriage, dunno whether that qualifies as "dominionism" either, because tmk, no Catholics are trying to impose a Catholic-run theocracy, not in the USA, anyway.

But all that to say, I'm never sure what is meant when "dominionism" is the topic.

38 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:16:25am

re: #36 Gus 802

In many ways the stim was an extension of TARP. Certainly in the context of trying to recover from the crash anyway. They also share a great deal of other factors-Heavily bureaucratic yet still poorly supervised. TARP
Heh. $ pages left the white house and 800 came back. 896 extra pages of inadequate oversight.

39 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:17:21am

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

In many ways the stim was an extension of TARP. Certainly in the context of trying to recover from the crash anyway. They also share a great deal of other factors-Heavily bureaucratic yet still poorly supervised. TARP
Heh. $ pages left the white house and 800 came back. 896 extra pages of inadequate oversight.

PIMF
8 pages left the WH.

40 Atlas Fails  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:19:35am

re: #4 Rightwingconspirator

Huntsman on AGW

This is an issue that ought to be answered by the scientific community; I'm not a meteorologist. All I know is 90 percent of the scientists say climate change is occurring. If 90 percent of the oncological community said something was causing cancer we'd listen to them. I respect science and the professionals behind the science so I tend to think it's better left to the science community - though we can debate what that means for the energy and transportation sectors.

And that's why he's polling in the low single digits.

41 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:19:36am

re: #3 bratwurst

Unless I am missing something, we are essentially down to a 3-horse race (Perry, Romeny, Bachmann) 450 days out.

Is Generic Republican still in?

42 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:21:35am

Who is this guy, McCotter? Never heard of him.

43 Atlas Fails  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:22:46am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Who is this guy, McCotter? Never heard of him.

I think he used to play the Riddler in the old Batman shows.

44 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:22:59am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Who is this guy, McCotter? Never heard of him.

Michigan congressman. He used to be on Red Eye a lot. He seemed kind of interesting and "different" at first (for a Republican) but wound being just another religious nut. IMO.

45 Jerk  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:23:31am

I know Gary Johnson isn't up there with the rest of them, but he a) believes global warming is real and b) is not a creationist. I believe he was tied with Gingrich; he is in single digits as well.

46 recusancy  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:23:45am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Who is this guy, McCotter? Never heard of him.

Libertarian. Possible psychopath. Has a book to sell.

47 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:24:19am

my theory is that perry is dangerous for the gop since he will consolidate the wingnut, anti-romney vote much better than bachmann could, and therefore materially damage the gop establishment's preferred "reasonable" nominee

48 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:24:43am

re: #46 recusancy

Libertarian. Possible psychopath. Has a book to sell.

Be on the lookout. Suspect is 6 feet tall...

Kind of has a Dragnet/Adam-12 ring to it.

//

49 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:25:17am

To corrupt cynics like Perry Dominionist support looks like a good deal: A sizable and fanatically devoted bloc of votes in return for help in publicizing their agenda and an insider position in the new administration. The GOP overlords apparently assume they can control a mob of crazy theocrats and will not have to deliver to any great extent. If so, they are seriously under-estimating both the extent of theocrat infiltration in the Christian community and the shrewdness of its leaders. They need to look at the history: They are simply repeating the errors that brought the religious right to dominance in the first place. This isn't your father's RR either, this is an especially virulent and ruthless form that has growing like a cancer for decades. Perry's nutbag associates make the late Jerry Falwell look like Ted Kennedy.

50 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:28:39am

Okay, so woh do you guys think Pawlenty's endorsers/fundraisers go to in the wake of his withdrawal? I gotta think Perry or Romney.

51 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:29:21am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Okay, so woh do you guys think Pawlenty's endorsers/fundraisers go to in the wake of his withdrawal? I gotta think Perry or Romney.

Nearly all to Perry.

52 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:29:51am

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel

Nearly all to Perry.

It is written.

53 recusancy  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:30:15am

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel

Nearly all to Perry.

All 10 of them.

54 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:30:22am

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel

Nearly all to Perry.

Gotcha. I don't think it's looking too good for Mitt but time will tell.

55 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:31:59am

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel

Nearly all to Perry.

the next few weeks i guess will tell if perry generates the expected excitement or fades to also-wingnut

56 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:32:09am

I mean. How can the Republicans pass this guy up?

57 Spocomptonite  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:34:02am

It looks like the real winner of the Straw Poll was Obama.

58 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:34:34am

Tim Pawlenty

39th Governor of Minnesota Tim Pawlenty - 'Abortion providers should be subject to a penalty, possibly including a criminal penalty' [1]

40 percent of the benefits of Pawlenty’s Tax Plan go to the richest one percent of Americans [2]

Pussies out at CNN GOP Debate [3]

Pawlenty denies global warming: 'The science is bad' [4]

Tim Pawlenty likes [Born this Way] Lady Gaga[5]

Pawlenty to sign National Organization for Marriage - NOM's bigoted anti-gay marriage pledge [video] [6], a pledge that demands presidential power be used to circumvent the 10th Amendment and overrule local legislative descisions, including the choice by the District of Columbia's elected representatives to secure civil marriage parity. Furthermore the pledge asserts that the federal government should use it's power and autority to investigate Americans who use their free speech rights to oppose the National Organization for Marriage's agenda

59 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:37:48am

re: #58 Gus 802

Tim Pawlenty

Here are the RRC pages for Rick Perry and Mitt Romney. Oh, and Michele Bachmann.

60 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:42:06am

Is there a breakdown of who is a strict "7 day" creationist and who is a "divine spark"/big bang creationist...........?

61 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:43:01am

re: #15 allegro

Speaking of Perry... this is a great article I read this morning:

Ladies and Gents: The Real Rick Perry

I'm a Texan and I really can't stand that guy, maybe even more than I couldn't stand his predecessor. This article opened even my eyes to more crap this grifter has pulled that I was unaware of... though certainly not surprised. We gotta keep this guy far away from Washington.

I've read he's running for the Big Show due to burning his electoral bridges back home..............anything in that?

62 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:45:40am

re: #60 wozzablog

Is there a breakdown of who is a strict "7 day" creationist and who is a "divine spark"/big bang creationist...?

The latter aren't creationists, and almost nobody means 'thinks that god started it, and then was hands off' when using the term.

In general, creationists are either:

1. Young Earth Creationists, who believe the earth is 6000 (or so) years old, with everything crated by god at that time.

2. Constant Fiddler creationists, who believe god created the universe and has not stopped fiddling with it ever since. This included Intelligent Design.

3. Just Humans creationists; they believe everything else evolved, but humans didn't. More common than you'd think; Japan has a lot of this.

63 FreedomMoon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:46:51am

Looks like the big business lords at WSJ are no fans of Rick Perry. I skimmed the article, basically says Rick Perry returned political favors to financial supporters in the form of *surprise* money. Is that really that outlandish? Simply put, it really only means WSJ believes Romney would be the much more suitable candidate for Wall Street and corporations.
Nothing surprising really, I would much rather invest in a company led by Mitt than Perry (and the corporations know that too). But then again, I wouldn't either as a politician representing me in any capacity.

64 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:51:36am

re: #62 Obdicut

The latter aren't creationists, and almost nobody means 'thinks that god started it, and then was hands off' when using the term.

In general, creationists are either:

1. Young Earth Creationists, who believe the earth is 6000 (or so) years old, with everything crated by god at that time.

2. Constant Fiddler creationists, who believe god created the universe and has not stopped fiddling with it ever since. This included Intelligent Design.

3. Just Humans creationists; they believe everything else evolved, but humans didn't. More common than you'd think; Japan has a lot of this.

Thanks.
These are insane topics for someone in the UK to get their head around.

Even our established church has bartered itself down to being well,

God started it, and everything else is interpretation.
65 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:55:05am

re: #64 wozzablog

Yeah. Some people wrongly think they're creationists because they believe god created the universe and the physical laws thereof, but the real creationism, and the real tension in it, is some belief that actually contradicts observable science and reality, not a belief that simply can't be tested or disproved by science.

In simplest terms, creationism is the non-scientific theory that some magical being designed and created human beings (and possibly everything else), rather than the process of evolution blindly leading to the evolution of human beings.

If you believe that god knew that evolution was going to produce human beings because he's omniscient, you're not a creationist.

66 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:56:26am

One funny thing is you list Santorum and Gingrich as creationist (is this accurate?) which means they are ignorant of their own religion not just science, since the Catholic Church doesn't believe in American Creationism.

67 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:58:24am

re: #66 ElCapitanAmerica

It's accurate that Santorum is.

[Link: sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com...]

Gingrich is whatever whoever he's talking to needs him to be.

68 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:01:28pm

re: #66 ElCapitanAmerica

One funny thing is you list Santorum and Gingrich as creationist (is this accurate?) which means they are ignorant of their own religion not just science, since the Catholic Church doesn't believe in American Creationism.

It is but it wouldn't shock me if Santorum is one of these Catholics that is opposed to anything post Vatican II? And as Obi just put it, Newt straddles the fence with the best of them.

69 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:08:47pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

He may be anti-Vatican II, which by definition puts him against the Pope. I just think that it's ironic how they're either ignorant of their own faith, or are wilful radicals within it.

70 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:14:33pm

re: #69 ElCapitanAmerica

He may be anti-Vatican II, which by definition puts him against the Pope. I just think that it's ironic how they're either ignorant of their own faith, or are wilful radicals within it.

I don't know if he's actually opposed to Vatican II like Mel Gibson's father is but he's part of a very extreme mindset that exists within the Catholic community.

71 TedStriker  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:33:24pm

re: #20 Kid A

This photo is a hanging curveball for so many on this site.

re: #18 Charles

Michele Bachmann really loves her some corndogs.

Image: ZZ3A5CD926.jpg

It's just right over the plate ;-P

72 kirkspencer  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:00:25pm

re: #32 moderatelyradicalliberal

Hell, so is Herman Cain. Huntsman should throw in the towel too. No amount of MSM stroking was going to help him.

As I said (last night?), Cain is the dark horse right now because he looks very strong in South Carolina -- ahead of everyone but Romney.

On the one hand I expect him to fade. On the other hand he's got the money to get to the opening gun, and if either Bachmann or Perry self-destruct he's poised to pick up the gap.

73 aagcobb  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:16:03pm

Tim Pawlenty began his campaign for the vice-presidential nomination in the traditional way, by announcing that the vice-presidency was something he's not even going to consider.

74 KingKenrod  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:49:17pm

McCotter is Catholic. How do we know he's a creationist?

75 Egregious Philbin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:35:21pm

I've never seen anything about McCotter being a creationist. Please source. I like the guy, he is dry and intelligent.


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