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Bachmann Dodges ‘Submission’ Question on ‘Face the Nation’

The fanatic fundamentalist pretends it has nothing to do with religion
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On Face the Nation today, religious fanatic Michele Bachmann was asked about her statement that “wives should be submissive to their husbands,” and completely got away with dodging the question, as usual.

(CBS News)  AMES, Iowa - Appearing on “Face the Nation” Sunday, Rep. Michele Bachmann stood by her comment in Thursday’s Republican debate that when she said that wives should be submissive to their husbands, she meant that married couples should have mutual respect.

In 2006, Bachmann said her husband had told her to get a post-doctorate degree in tax law. “Tax law? I hate taxes,” she continued. “Why should I go into something like that? But the lord says, be submissive. Wives, you are to be submissive to your husbands.’”

Asked about the comment by CBS News’ Norah O’Donnell Sunday, Bachmann reaffirmed that to her, “submission means respect, mutual respect.”

“I respect my husband, he respects me,” she said. “We have been married 33 years, we have a great marriage…and respecting each other, listening to each other is what that means.”

O’Donnell asked Bachmann if she would use a different word in retrospect.

“You know, I guess it depends on what word people are used to, but respect is really what it means,” Bachmann replied.

“Do you think submissive means subservient?” O’Donnell asked.

“Not to us,” Bachmann said. “To us it means respect. We respect each other, we listen to each other, we love each other and that is what it means.”

If journalists actually did their homework any more, Norah O’Donnell would have followed up by asking whether her “submissive” statement was related to her fundamentalist religious beliefs (it absolutely is), but instead Bachmann was allowed to skate away untouched.

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251 comments

1 3CPO  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:45:13am

So will Marcus be “submissive” to her? After all, it means mutual respect, right?

2 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:47:01am

So, what happens when Marcus asks her to do something as president?

3 dragonfire1981  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:47:56am

“Bachmann was able to skate away untouched.”

And that’s why I am worried she will get the nomination. No one in the media seems willing to call her on what she is.

4 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:47:58am

So, what has her hubby done that matches the level of becoming a tax lawyer because he demanded it? Doing the dishes? Cleaning up his laundry? Mowing the lawn?

Mutual respect is when you agree on how to divide up the household chores. Being told which college you will go to, which courses you will take, and which career you will pursue is not “respect,” except perhaps to Stepford Wives.

5 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:49:19am

What world does she live in where submissive has the same meaning as respect? Like Rick Perry, she’s yet another Republican candidate that shouldn’t be near the White House.

6 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:51:19am

Submit to the corndog!!!
SUBMIT TO THE CORNDOG!!!

…..OK
*snicker*

7 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:51:43am

I’m afraid being “Submissive” only means really treating each other equally
in kinky sex.

8 blueraven  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:51:51am

In context, being submissive to ones wishes over your own, and being respectful to your partner are almost direct opposites. This woman is just crazy, period. Black is white, up is down…

9 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:52:00am
Bachmann reaffirmed that to her, “submission means respect, mutual respect.”


Someone should alert Robert Spencer.

10 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:52:27am

If I told my wife to get a post-graduate degree in tax law, she’d ask me why the hell I wanted her to. I’d have to make a case for it, and convince her. She’d listen, because we respect each other, but she wouldn’t just do it out of submission.

What Bachmann is describing is not mutual respect.

11 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:53:14am

submissive
[suhb-mis-iv]   Origin
sub·mis·sive
   /səbˈmɪsɪv/ Show Spelled[suhb-mis-iv] Show IPA
adjective
1.
inclined or ready to submit; unresistingly or humbly obedient: submissive servants.
2.
marked by or indicating submission: a submissive reply.

Yeah, that’s mutual respect.

12 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:55:59am

I’d note that my wife, who’s getting an MD and a PhD, would be unlikely to ‘submit’ to my desire for her to get a tax law degree.

“No, you,” would probably be her succinct response.

13 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:59:10am

re: #12 Obdicut

I’d note that my wife, who’s getting an MD and a PhD, would be unlikely to ‘submit’ to my desire for her to get a tax law degree.

“No, you,” would probably be her succinct response.

My mother would have more than a few choice words for my father if he told her to take up tax law on his say-so. As well as directions on where he could take himself and where he could stick his say-so.

14 Stanley Sea  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:00:08pm

re: #3 dragonfire1981

“Bachmann was able to skate away untouched.”

And that’s why I am worried she will get the nomination. No one in the media seems willing to call her on what she is.

That’s why the blogs have taken over. I just worry about the less internet savy voter, and the ones who only frequent cheerleading sites.

Pretty frustrating.

15 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:01:46pm
16 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:03:07pm

when she said that wives should be submissive to their husbands, she meant that married couples should have mutual respect

and when i said “eat me, bitch”, i meant “i agree 100% with your stance on our trade policy with china”. and, by the way, my name is spelled “Raymond Luxury Yacht,” but it’s pronounced “Throat Warbler Mangrove”

17 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:04:26pm

A Congresswoman who hasn’t gotten anything sponsored past in Congress. Needs to be repeated re: Bachmann.

18 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:05:07pm

in any case, her “translation” of submission cannot logically be read back into the original context - the story would then become that she took up tax law out of respect for her husband

19 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:05:50pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

What world does she live in where submissive has the same meaning as respect? Like Rick Perry, she’s yet another Republican candidate that shouldn’t be near the White House.

The 1950’s called…………they want their candidates back.

20 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:05:54pm

Another example of how the media will not pursue the religious extremism — at least in my eyes — of these candidates in the name of political correctness. People, in general, will view these statements as a personal belief worthy of respect and/or privacy. I think otherwise since in this case if can and will lead to affecting public policy. This line of questioning must be pursued just as much as the questioning of their scientific or creationist beliefs.

21 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:06:17pm

Submission to Allah, submission to husband…Fundamentalism is big on females being submissive and vassals being submissive to their overlords.

22 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:07:54pm

re: #18 engineer dog

in any case, her “translation” of submission cannot logically be read back into the original context - the story would then become that she took up tax law out of respect for her husband

In which case, any woman who’d allow their husband to dictate their career choice out of “respect” is not one I’d want anywhere near the White House. When I think “leader of the free world,” I don’t think “Stepford Wife.”

23 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:10:51pm

Cute Don Lemon tried to pigeonhole Palin (or, gave her an unearned chance to distinguish herself from MB) with gender-based questions about Bachmann, the catfight, and the submission bit.

If you can stand it: [Link: cnn.com…]

Personally, I do wish they would move past it. At this point its a total eyeroll generator.

Lol for her part, the Bachmann camp totally dissed Don Lemon. [Link: cnn.com…]

Tsk-tsk, these dirty socon bigots REALLY resent out gay people. /Schadenfreude

24 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:16:10pm

but bachmann’s 15 minutes are over and she will be overshadowed and marginalized by the pious parrot now

25 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:17:01pm

re: #24 engineer dog

but bachmann’s 15 minutes are over and she will be overshadowed and marginalized by the pious parrot now

Either that or she’ll keep running for VP.

26 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:18:06pm

re: #25 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Either that or she’ll keep running for VP.


yes, but perry will need someone to the middle of him, and she is to the middle of nobody in her party, that is her stock-in-trade.

27 Kid A  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:18:35pm
28 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:18:50pm

re: #26 ralphieboy

yes, but perry will need someone to the middle of him, and she is to the middle of nobody in her party, that is her stock-in-trade.

It’s a race now between Romney and Perry over who gets which spot on the final ticket. The rest of the pack is fighting over third place.

29 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:20:01pm

re: #28 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It’s a race now between Romney and Perry over who gets which spot on the final ticket. The rest of the pack is fighting over third place.

I would put my money on Perry at this point.

30 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:21:02pm

re: #27 Kid A

Submission!

Image: corndog1-384x288.jpg

I despise MB, but I think photographing politicians in the process of consuming food (which can be inherently funny) is (or should be) a no-no for photographers.

31 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:21:52pm

My security guard friend tells me that fundamentalist kids from conservative families are the most insolent, and most likely to think they can get away with abusing adults, sometimes physically. The guard’s company quit working at a local church after a fundie kid went off on one of the guards, attacking him with his little fists in full view of the father. The guard’s offense? He said, “No, you can’t,” when the kid said “You ain’t no real cop, I can whip you.” Both father and son ended up in their respective jails, the father after being kicked around first by the guard then by the arresting cops.
Another time in the local Big Box store, a monumentally obese 9 year old was sitting next to his father on a bench. Both were in “Rexall Ranger” outfits and turned out to be from a small town nearby. A slightly built young Hispanic man walked by. The father said to the son, “There’s one, go over and kick him. It’s ok to kick a fag.” And the kid did it! The guard was standing not 10 feet away and saw it all. He grabbed the kid to restrain him (the kid weighed 150 lbs). The inbred fool of a father intervened immediately and received the usual beating reserved for the dumb-shits who think Texas security badges come in CrackerJack boxes. How does my friend know they were fundies? Their pastor put up the father’s bail money.

32 Stanley Sea  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:21:54pm

re: #30 Sergey Romanov

I despise MB, but I think photographing politicians in the process of consuming food (which can be inherently funny) is (or should be) a no-no for photographers.

I think the politician should know better. She obviously is clueless.

33 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:22:23pm

re: #32 Stanley Sea

I think the politician should know better. She obviously is clueless.

That too ;)

34 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:22:32pm

The media does not really have an interest to get to the bottom of things. They would much rather keep things on a low boil to be able to thrive off of the controversies until the very end. Media make a buck from attention people pay to them, not of them telling the truth or giving the whole picture. Same every election cycle.

35 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:23:52pm

re: #29 ralphieboy

I would put my money on Perry at this point.

i tend to agree, but i can’t see him as going over well with the general electorate

i find his pious palaver to be smarmy, and generally speaking he is clearly a moron

36 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:24:36pm

The only folks who I can see buying the “respect” line are: A) the religious right and B) the willfully gullible. Everybody else who hears a woman say she allowed her husband to dictate her career choice out of “respect,” especially female voters, is gonna respond “BULLSHIT!”

37 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:25:13pm

re: #27 Kid A

Submission!

Image: corndog1-384x288.jpg

EWWWWW ICKY ICKY ICKY

38 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:25:20pm

re: #35 engineer dog

i tend to agree, but i can’t see him as going over well with the general electorate

i find his pious palaver to be smarmy, and generally speaking he is clearly a moron

He seems like a very good politician.

39 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:26:48pm

Where in scripture does it say that women are supposed to be submissive? The actual Hebrew in Genesis translates as “helper, opposite him”

40 BongCrodny  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:27:14pm

Saw a bumper sticker the other day that read “Obedient women are never remembered in history.”

Michelle Bachmann did not immediately come to mind.

41 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:27:50pm

re: #19 wozzablog

The 1950’s called…they want their candidates back.

Although. The 1950s might be a little to modern for this current crop of Republicans. Maybe the 1550s.

//

42 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:28:20pm

re: #38 000G

He seems like a very good politician.

so i hear, but my gut tells me that what kills in texas ain’t a gonna play in kansas or illinois

43 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:28:32pm

re: #41 Gus 802

Although. The 1950s might be a little to modern for this current crop of Republicans. Maybe the 1550s.

//

Refudiate Galileo.

44 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:29:16pm

re: #26 ralphieboy

yes, but perry will need someone to the middle of him, and she is to the middle of nobody in her party, that is her stock-in-trade.

I’ve been saying that all along, with this crop of crazies. But well, Michele never listens to me q:

And now that TP has said he won’t consider VP, I bet Giuliani and Jeb will be getting some calls this week.

45 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:30:20pm

re: #43 wozzablog

Refudiate Galileo.

Copernicus was a socialist!

46 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:31:27pm

re: #35 engineer dog

i tend to agree, but i can’t see him as going over well with the general electorate

i find his pious palaver to be smarmy, and generally speaking he is clearly a moron

But the larty loves him, and if the press are as hesitant to take him to task on his fundamentalism as they are with Bachmann, then he is a shoo-in.

I believe that all his positions will be wrapped in a veritable Texas twister of spin and the message they will stress is going to be jobs, jobs and more jobs. That is waht people want to hear.

47 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:31:43pm

re: #42 engineer dog

so i hear, but my gut tells me that what kills in texas ain’t a gonna play in kansas or illinois

It’s weird times, these times. An economy in the dumps, dominionists as front-runners for the GOP which itself is in the lock of the Tea Party…

I predict things getting a lot weirder before they get more reasonable. Kansas, Illinois, Kansas: across the board.

48 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:32:34pm

re: #47 000G

It’s weird times, these times. An economy in the dumps, dominionists as front-runners for the GOP which itself is in the lock of the Tea Party…

I predict things getting a lot weirder before they get more reasonable. Kansas, Illinois, KansasTexas: across the board.

PIMF

49 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:32:51pm

Haha, I give up.

50 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:35:06pm

re: #39 Alouette

Ephesians 5:21-32

21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.

51 Spocomptonite  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:36:28pm

The “mutual respect” thing that Bachmann and other Christian people use to describe the idea of submission of wives to husbands makes me spit in disgust. And I’m a guy.

Seriously, other guys here can back me up, having a relationship with an equal person is much more fulfilling and fun than a robot servant Stepford Wife ever would be. If I wanted to be a power-tripping dictator, I’d play Tropico 3.

52 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:37:29pm

re: #39 Alouette

Where in scripture does it say that women are supposed to be submissive? The actual Hebrew in Genesis translates as “helper, opposite him”

In Christian scripture it’s very explicit.

It’s Paul.

Ephesians 5…The “respect” passage is also in Eph. 5. The Bachmanns probably use King James or NIV

21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[ b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

Also Colossians 3

18 Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them.

20 Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.

21 Fathers,[c] do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged.

22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. 23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. 25 Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.

53 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:38:04pm

re: #41 Gus 802

Although. The 1950s might be a little to modern for this current crop of Republicans. Maybe the 1550s.

//

True enough. We have NEVER had major party candidates in this country who were so overtly religious or so opposed on religious grounds to the constitutional order. People like David Barton routinely propose legal concepts that have not been accepted at any time in this country’s history or even under the English common law.

Barton, as though to rub his audience’s face in their ignorance, uses the Parable of the Vineyard to justify his claim that Jesus opposed the minimum wage. In this story, each worker is paid a denarius regardless of how long he worked. What Barton ignores is that the pay was a denarius because that was the prescribed minimum for a day’s free labor in the Roman Empire, essentially a government mandated minimum wage.

54 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:39:40pm

re: #52 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Something tells me “-get a tax law degree -yes, sir” is not what Paul had in mind.

55 TedStriker  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:39:50pm

re: #27 Kid A

Submission!

Image: corndog1-384x288.jpg

She’s got that Zombie Pamz look about her in that pics, with those eyes rolling up in her head…it’s just looks odd as fuck, that’s why it’s so hilarious.

56 elizajane  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:40:38pm

re: #29 ralphieboy

I would put my money on Perry at this point.

God forbid… But isn’t God his campaign manager?

Seriously, he scares me worse than Bachmann. I don’t think he believes a word that comes out of his own mouth; he’s completely slimey and corrupt, but he knows how to whip up the base. I can think of almost nothing worse than having him as president. He could do a LOT of damage.

Bachmann — stone ignorant and crazy, yet troublingly adept at politics. She’s far, far better than Sarah Palin at acting like a serious person. That’s why all the accusations of crazy kind of roll off her. If you listen to what she says (and believes) you know she’s a lunatic, but since when has the American electorate, or press, really done that?

Honestly, it’s enough to make me go out and campaign for Romney. I’d really like the Republicans to have a nominee who was not actually going to wreck the country if elected.

57 Stanley Sea  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:40:48pm

re: #42 engineer dog

so i hear, but my gut tells me that what kills in texas ain’t a gonna play in kansas or illinois

Oh, we’ve been there before.

58 Stanley Sea  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:41:35pm

re: #44 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I’ve been saying that all along, with this crop of crazies. But well, Michele never listens to me q:

And now that TP has said he won’t consider VP, I bet Giuliani and Jeb will be getting some calls this week.

Can you imagine the dynasty feeling of Perry/Bush? ugh to the ugh

59 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:41:45pm

re: #12 Obdicut

I’d note that my wife, who’s getting an MD and a PhD, would be unlikely to ‘submit’ to my desire for her to get a tax law degree.

“No, you,” would probably be her succinct response.

Also, sleep on the couch and think about what you said.
/

60 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:42:24pm

re: #51 Spocomptonite

The “mutual respect” thing that Bachmann and other Christian people use to describe the idea of submission of wives to husbands makes me spit in disgust. And I’m a guy.

Seriously, other guys here can back me up, having a relationship with an equal person is much more fulfilling and fun than a robot servant Stepford Wife ever would be. If I wanted to be a power-tripping dictator, I’d play Tropico 3.

Agreed. But, at the same time, I’ve met men who a wife like Michele appeals to. Those self-centered, useless pricks who rely upon beating up their wives to make themselves “feel like men.” Who view a wife as a servant, rather than as an equal. The sort of man who believes that “adultery” is when she cheats, while his banging anything that moves is just a symbol of his manliness. Those prehistoric throwbacks who typify everything that the women’s lib movement was about overthrowing.

61 Spocomptonite  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:42:42pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

A Congresswoman who hasn’t gotten anything sponsored past in Congress. Needs to be repeated re: Bachmann.

On the plus side, at least we could then extrapolate that Bachmann wouldn’t get anything passed as hypothetical president, either. Hopefully.

62 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:42:54pm

re: #54 Sergey Romanov

Something tells me “-get a tax law degree -yes, sir” is not what Paul had in mind.

Lol something also tells me women being anyone’s CIC isn’t what he had in mind, either.

I Timothy 2, NIV

11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[ b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

^Basis for disallowing women’s ordination in most Christian denominations.

63 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:44:04pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

Can you imagine the dynasty feeling of Perry/Bush? ugh to the ugh

Yeah and now that you bring that up/remind me, Perry can’t stand Dubya - feeling’s probably mutual. Not that the GOP can stand Jeb anymore, anyway.

64 Stanley Sea  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:44:23pm

re: #52 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

BLECH. All the work done by the women before them, and these women revert to an ancient text. Just so damn pitiful.

65 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:44:50pm

re: #62 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And he also showed those f***ts///

66 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:46:28pm

BTW, Obdi, if nothing else happens, tomorrow our lil’ wee group will reveal a 300+pp. response to deniers on Belzec/Sobibor/Treblinka. I’ll post a page, and I’m sure you will enjoy.

67 Spocomptonite  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:47:25pm

re: #60 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, I’ve met my share of those, and I use the term lightly, “people”. But I’m assuming none of them are on lgf. Us male lizards are highly evolved socially, very much so for animals that inhabit the biomes of Internet and politics.

68 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:47:33pm

Lol what kind of woman expects anyone to belive she does whatever Marcus Bachmann tells her to….out of “respect”? How does a snivelling, seething sack of crap like that command anyone’s respect?

Rotfl

Well, this is why socons need punitive laws and lifestyles. Otherwise, who would ever willingly do anything they say?

69 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:48:29pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

A Congresswoman who hasn’t gotten anything sponsored past in Congress. Needs to be repeated re: Bachmann.

She specifically avoided a question about that too-blaming Pelosi and then Obama.

However, I don’t think her primary opponents will miss the opportunity to point out that she hasn’t done much in Congress, or for that matter that she is appropriately submissive to her husband and as such isn’t qualified to be president. They may not say it directly, but I’ll bet it will be whispered.

70 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:48:47pm

re: #66 Sergey Romanov

BTW, Obdi, if nothing else happens, tomorrow our lil’ wee group will reveal a 300+pp. response to deniers on Belzec/Sobibor/Treblinka. I’ll post a page, and I’m sure you will enjoy.

Sounds interesting.

71 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:49:30pm
“Do you think submissive means subservient?” O’Donnell asked.

“Not to us,” Bachmann said. “To us it means respect. We respect each other, we listen to each other, we love each other and that is what it means.”

If she means that, then she is going against what she’s bee taught by her mentor.

Michele Bachmann told an audience in 2006 that she followed her husband’s education path because, “The Lord says be submissive. Wives, you are to be submissive to your husbands.” Her mentor John Eidsmoe makes a similar case throughout God & Caesar, his book on how Christians should engage in politics and government.

For Eidsmoe, the role of a woman is chiefly second class to her husband: “God’s Word gives women respect and respectability which they had never enjoyed in any other culture, and we must do what we can to preserve biblical standards. But it establishes the man as the head of the house” (p. 125). He writes:

Humans cannot function without leadership, at least not when they must live and work together. And the basic unit of authority in human society is the family. The husband is the head of the wife (1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:23), and children are to obey their parents (Exodus 20:12; Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:2).

Husbands are to instruct their wives in things of the Lord (1 Corinthians 14:35), and parents are to instruct their children (ps. 115-116).

He goes on to condemn the rise of feminism and criticize feminist scholars, saying that they “violate the normal order” God put in place: “I personally believe there would be no women’s liberation movement today, were it not for the weakness of men. But that is the exception, not the rule. The normal order of God’s institution in the family with the husband and father as its head” (p. 126).

72 Kronocide  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:51:50pm

Bachmann is so full of shit.

73 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:53:15pm

re: #69 calochortus

She specifically avoided a question about that too-blaming Pelosi and then Obama.

…that legendary conservative personal responsibility, the moral basis of all their successes, in action. e_e

74 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:53:50pm

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

Ephesians 5:21-32

21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.

That’s not in my Scripture.

75 3CPO  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:54:18pm

re: #51 Spocomptonite

The “mutual respect” thing that Bachmann and other Christian people use to describe the idea of submission of wives to husbands makes me spit in disgust. And I’m a guy.

Seriously, other guys here can back me up, having a relationship with an equal person is much more fulfilling and fun than a robot servant Stepford Wife ever would be. If I wanted to be a power-tripping dictator, I’d play Tropico 3.

Absolutely. My husband says one of the reasons he loves me is because he respects my willingness (and ability) to call him on his bullshit. He’s a big guy, very smart, and was not a particularly fair fighter when we first met. To make things more difficult, he was an only child and adored by his mother. But I treated him like an equal. I had enough respect for him to not let him get away with half-assed excuses.

I didn’t submit, and now I have a wonderful husband and a great relationship. True mutual respect. Michelle Bachmann can pound sand.

76 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:54:31pm

re: #74 Alouette

It’s in Bachmann’s though, and not in the last place either ;)

77 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:54:32pm

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OK, wait a minute here-the texts that tell women to be submissive are NT right? And therefore the only religion that makes women ‘respectable’ is Christianity? Jewish women are downtrodden? Who knew?

78 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:54:57pm

re: #66 Sergey Romanov

Since you are here… I just noticed english wikipedia has no page on Bronnaya Gora extermination camp. Odd…

79 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:55:02pm

When she becomes president, we can be submissive to China since it’s just a sign of respect.

80 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:55:29pm

re: #78 000G

Heh, we have a bit on BG.

81 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:56:25pm

re: #77 calochortus

OK, wait a minute here-the texts that tell women to be submissive are NT right? And therefore the only religion that makes women ‘respectable’ is Christianity? Jewish women are downtrodden? Who knew?

All the more reason for them to convert, right?
/

82 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:56:55pm

re: #76 Sergey Romanov

It’s in Bachmann’s though, and not in the last place either ;)

Bachmann’s and 1,999,999,999 other people’s, too. At least there’s a decent fraction, though, that has the good sense to not take any of this literally.

83 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:57:19pm

re: #60 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Agreed. But, at the same time, I’ve met men who a wife like Michele appeals to. Those self-centered, useless pricks who rely upon beating up their wives to make themselves “feel like men.” Who view a wife as a servant, rather than as an equal. The sort of man who believes that “adultery” is when she cheats, while his banging anything that moves is just a symbol of his manliness. Those prehistoric throwbacks who typify everything that the women’s lib movement was about overthrowing.

I actually don’t think this is Marcus Bachmann, though.

84 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:57:25pm

re: #80 Sergey Romanov

It always seemed to me that Belarus is underrepresented in Holocaust studies. Any idea why this is, if I am not mistaken?

85 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:57:50pm

re: #83 moderatelyradicalliberal

I actually don’t think this is Marcus Bachmann, though.

To his credit, he’s rather pick out her outfits.

86 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:58:18pm

re: #84 000G

Dunno. I remember Gerlach wrote a bit on that.

87 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:58:28pm

Alternate points of view:

Critic Leslie Bennett at the Daily Beast

…while she’s entitled to define her religious beliefs however she wants, Michele Bachmann is not entitled to weasel out of an important question about presidential power the way she’s done so far—nor should the national press corps permit her to do so.[Link: www.thedailybeast.com…]


vs.
Fangirl Rachel Quiqley at The Daily Mail:

‘Submissive? It’s called respect’: Bachmann silences critics over relationship with husband…
It was a tricky question and one that elicited boos from the crowd but Michele Bachmann took it in her stride.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
88 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:59:02pm

re: #84 000G

It always seemed to me that Belarus is underrepresented in Holocaust studies. Any idea why this is, if I am not mistaken?

Oh man, Belarus.

Yeah, it’s after 12. Going to the liqah sto’, brb.

89 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:00:14pm

re: #84 000G

BTW, sorry I forgot to send out Browning after all. In our response we deal at length with the policy, so that should be a substitute ;)

90 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:01:00pm

re: #85 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

To his credit, he’s rather pick out her outfits.

With matching shoe and jacket no less. She’s married her gay BFF. She’s the Fran Drescher of politics.

91 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:03:14pm

re: #86 Sergey Romanov

Dunno. I remember Gerlach wrote a bit on that.

Am a wee bit familiar with Gerlach’s work.

I think it might have to do with the difference between Poland and USSR with respect to access for historians.

Also, I think it was due to the USSR not being interested in acknowledging that Jews had a special status in being persecuted in a way that was different from the average Soviet citizen. And finally, I also know that the USSR downplayed the number of the fatalities they suffered in WWII. Wasn’t it something like 10 million dead until Stalin died, and then 20 million until the fall of the USSR, while now it’s acknowledged to be around 27 million?

92 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:03:54pm

Kind of related to “submission”:

Rick Perry’s Men-Only Fundraiser Dinner

Guess who’s not coming to dinner?

In an invitation circulating this week, Governor Rick Perry is inviting some of his closest, wealthiest friends to a “Wild Game” dinner in Houston—just not their wives.

The invitation from Perry’s State Finance Chair James H. Lee boasts an all-male host committee and encourages interested men to “share your views” with the Governor during an all-male dinner hour. “We are limiting the crowd so you will have a chance to talk to Rick,” it reads, and notes that after dinner, “wives/significant others join us for Pat Green.”

Continue reading.

93 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:04:49pm

re: #92 Gus 802

Wow. Seriously? Wow.

94 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:04:59pm

re: #92 Gus 802

Kind of related to “submission”:

Rick Perry’s Men-Only Fundraiser Dinner

You’ve got to be kidding me. Talk about Old Boys Network.

95 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:05:14pm

re: #92 Gus 802

On the other hand, the womenfolk might appreciate the opportunity to not have dinner with these people…

96 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:05:20pm

re: #91 000G

I can’t really say about the assumed toll in Stalin’s time beyond what Stalin told Churchill (IIRC?), which was ridiculously low and not necessarily what was told to the people (if much was told at all). The rest is correct.

97 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:06:05pm

re: #92 Gus 802

lol Pat Green

98 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:06:42pm

re: #95 calochortus

On the other hand, the womenfolk might appreciate the opportunity to not have dinner with these people…

Probably don’t want to hear the womenfolk bitching about the topless waitresses. Chicks can be real annoying about that kinda shit.

99 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:06:55pm

re: #97 000G

lol Pat Green

More corntry pop music?

100 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:06:58pm

re: #62 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol something also tells me women being anyone’s CIC isn’t what he had in mind, either.

I Timothy 2, NIV

^Basis for disallowing women’s ordination in most Christian denominations.

And one more reason why religion is inherently bigoted.

101 elizajane  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:07:10pm

Worth a read: a conservative blogger lines up Perry’s “vulnerabilities” which turn out to be, er, massive:

[Link: www.outsidethebeltway.com…]

This covers — the truth about the Texas jobs “miracle” (not), the truth about the debt Perry has run up (faster debt growth than the USA!), Perry’s deep links to the neo-Confederate movement, and quite a bit more from Texas Republicans who really don’t like the man.

See too the page I posted this morning, article from the Wall Street Journal trashing Perry’s Socialism for the Rich (okay, they don’t call it that).

102 3CPO  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:07:14pm

re: #92 Gus 802

Reminds me of dinner at my paternal grandparents’ house. We kids would stay in the kitchen with the women while the women served the men in the dining room. Then the men would retire to smoke cigars on the porch so the women and children could eat.

Very traditional Danes.

103 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:07:59pm

re: #92 Gus 802

This seems to be from last Sept. so presumably it already happened. Was it a success? Who cares?

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:08:08pm

re: #91 000G

It’s funny to read denier arguments about the Holocaust being a Soviet hoax, if you know what I mean. (Cf. Carlos Porter’s “Made In Russia The Holoco$t”).

105 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:09:00pm

When discussing St. Paul and his view of marriage, one must not forget the historical context: namely that marriage in Roman times was almost entirely a business/political union. Wives were just there to cement alliances and to produce offspring.

The concept of marriage any sort of partnership based on mutual respect and love of something higher than political/economic expediency was a rather revolutionary concept at the time.

106 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:09:24pm

re: #101 elizajane

Worth a read: a conservative blogger lines up Perry’s “vulnerabilities” which turn out to be, er, massive:

[Link: www.outsidethebeltway.com…]

This covers — the truth about the Texas jobs “miracle” (not), the truth about the debt Perry has run up (faster debt growth than the USA!), Perry’s deep links to the neo-Confederate movement, and quite a bit more from Texas Republicans who really don’t like the man.

See too the page I posted this morning, article from the Wall Street Journal trashing Perry’s Socialism for the Rich (okay, they don’t call it that).

I’ve said before the only reason Perry has been governor for so long is that he kept running and most white Texans would vote for Satan before they voted for a Democrat. He’s kinda like Romney in the sense that nobody actually likes or is charmed by him.

107 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:09:42pm

re: #103 calochortus

This seems to be from last Sept. so presumably it already happened. Was it a success? Who cares?

Oh yeah. She just Tweeted that though. Still applicable though. Says a lot about the man. Here’s her Tweet…

[Link: twitter.com…]

108 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:10:03pm

re: #92 Gus 802

It’s a Texas A&M tradition:

The Corps welcomed* their first female members in the fall of 1974. At the time, the women were segregated into a special unit, known as W-1, and suffered harassment from many of their male counterparts.[9][10] Women were initially prohibited from serving in leadership positions or in the more elite Corps units such as the Band and the Ross Volunteers. These groups were opened to female participation in fall of 1985, following a federal court decision in a class-action lawsuit filed by a female cadet; five years later, female-only units were eliminated.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]


* that should read “welcomed”

109 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:10:49pm

re: #101 elizajane

nothing that a good spin cycle cannot remove. and concentrate on jobs, jobs, family values, low taxes, less regulation, jobs, etc.

people still want to cling to the belief that low taxes+less regulations = more jobs, and Perry has the rhetoric to present that case convincingly.

110 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:11:28pm

re: #99 Gus 802

More corntry pop music?

The first two song titles I found were “Dixie Lullaby” and “It Feels Just Like It Should”. :-)

111 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:11:35pm

re: #108 jaunte

It’s a Texas A&M tradition:

* that should read “welcomed”

Yeah. A lot of things are “traditional”. And still fucked up.

112 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:12:58pm

re: #90 moderatelyradicalliberal

With matching shoe and jacket no less. She’s married her gay BFF. She’s the Fran Drescher of politics.

I believe marriage is between one prissy queen and one miserable, neurotic woman terrified that out lesbians in her presence will make her lose control.

113 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:13:30pm

re: #107 Gus 802

I don’t suppose Perry’s opinions have changed much since then.

114 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:13:35pm

re: #104 Sergey Romanov

It’s funny to read denier arguments about the Holocaust being a Soviet hoax, if you know what I mean. (Cf. Carlos Porter’s “Made In Russia The Holoco$t”).

Am actually not familiar with that brand of denial. The deniers I know usually projected their conspiracy theories on to the USA or Israel.

115 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:14:02pm

re: #111 Gus 802

Yeah. A lot of things are “traditional”. And still fucked up.

Going back to lutefisk. :-)

116 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:14:28pm

re: #112 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I believe marriage is between one prissy queen and one miserable, neurotic woman terrified that out lesbians in her presence will make her lose control.

LOL!

117 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:15:35pm

re: #114 000G

Given the amount of evidence from USSR it would be pretty much a foregone conclusion for anyone who wants to deny. Those who tell about USA/UK aren’t very well familiar with the sources.

118 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:15:45pm

re: #115 000G

Going back to lutefisk. :-)

Lutefisk sounds like the most horrible dish every made.

119 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:16:06pm

re: #113 calochortus

I don’t suppose Perry’s opinions have changed much since then.

Nope. Best thing to do with Perry is hit him with everything you’ve got.

120 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:16:42pm

re: #105 ralphieboy

When discussing St. Paul and his view of marriage, one must not forget the historical context: namely that marriage in Roman times was almost entirely a business/political union. Wives were just there to cement alliances and to produce offspring.

The concept of marriage any sort of partnership based on mutual respect and love of something higher than political/economic expediency was a rather revolutionary concept at the time.

That’s why I love these idiotic wails of “they’re redefining marriage!!!!!!!”

Their preferred definition didn’t come along until some time after Queen Victoria was born. If they were really interested in “traditional marriage”, they’d be getting the government to enforce arranged marriage and dowries.

Fucking idiots.

121 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:16:42pm

re: #118 moderatelyradicalliberal

Lutefisk sounds like the most horrible dish every made.

Now google casu marzu.

122 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:17:13pm

I have a hard time seeing Perry as the nominee. People might accept him, might vote for him-but that’s not usually enough to win the nomination. Wingnuts think he’s a liberal. Informed fiscal conservatives aren’t impressed with his record. He’s treading in the footsteps of Dubya in many ways which puts people off. There just isn’t a big constituency out there for him.

123 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:17:47pm

re: #121 Sergey Romanov

Now google casu marzu.

Just those two words in proximity merits a downding.

124 Atlas Fails  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:18:33pm

re: #105 ralphieboy

When discussing St. Paul and his view of marriage, one must not forget the historical context: namely that marriage in Roman times was almost entirely a business/political union. Wives were just there to cement alliances and to produce offspring.

The concept of marriage any sort of partnership based on mutual respect and love of something higher than political/economic expediency was a rather revolutionary concept at the time.

Don’t forget, Paul also penned the infamous “slaves obey your masters” verse that slaveholders hid behind for centuries. What’s important when reading Paul is to remember that he expected Jesus to return in his lifetime, and therefore discouraged any radical social changes. His letters do hold great theological and historical value if read in their proper context, but shouldn’t be taken literally for everyday advice.

125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:18:37pm

re: #100 laZardo

And one more reason why religion is inherently bigoted.

Typically, yes. Always? No.

126 allegro  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:19:03pm

re: #122 calochortus

I have a hard time seeing Perry as the nominee. People might accept him, might vote for him-but that’s not usually enough to win the nomination. Wingnuts think he’s a liberal. Informed fiscal conservatives aren’t impressed with his record. He’s treading in the footsteps of Dubya in many ways which puts people off. There just isn’t a big constituency out there for him.

There isn’t much competition out there for him is the bigger problem… for us.

127 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:19:10pm

re: #119 Gus 802

Nope. Best thing to do with Perry is hit him with everything you’ve got.

And there’s plenty. Perry’s biggest weakness is his arrogance and warped perception of the country. He really thinks Americans wants someone who reminds people of GWB plus neo-Confederate sympathies and a belief that Medicare and SS are unconstitutional. He is actually a perfect foil for Obama in a general election.

128 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:19:14pm

re: #123 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Just those two words in proximity merits a downding.

I imagine what you would do with the inventor if the same foodstuff, as well as with its manufacturers.

129 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:19:38pm

re: #120 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That’s why I love these idiotic wails of “they’re redefining marriage!!!”

Their preferred definition didn’t come along until some time after Queen Victoria was born. If they were really interested in “traditional marriage”, they’d be getting the government to enforce arranged marriage and dowries.

Fucking idiots.

We’ve been redefining marriage for centuries. However, apparently arranged marriages actually do fairly well-at least currently in cultures where it is traditional-which I suspect means you don’t absolutely have to go with your parents’ choice of a mate, there is some choice.

130 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:20:19pm

re: #117 Sergey Romanov

Given the amount of evidence from USSR it would be pretty much a foregone conclusion for anyone who wants to deny. Those who tell about USA/UK aren’t very well familiar with the sources.

I dunno. I think denial is essentially about wishful thinking. A lot has to do with nationalistic ambitions. A nostalgy for the German imperialism the Nazis ran into the ground, so to speak. That resentment in West Germany during postwar times expressed for a lot of Nazis, Neonazis, and their sympathizers in the idea that they were in the stranglehold of the US and Israel and that those powers used the “Holocaust religion” to guilt-trip Germany into “staying put”, thus also assigning all “hoaxing” to those powers. That special brand seems to me to have been pretty successful.

131 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:20:59pm

re: #121 Sergey Romanov

Now google casu marzu.

Oh, God. How could I forget about the maggot cheese? I saw it on Strange Foods on the Travel Channel and nearly vomited.

132 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:21:08pm

re: #126 allegro

There isn’t much competition out there for him is the bigger problem… for us.

I suspect Romney might be decent competition for him. Not that I’m excited about Romney either.

133 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:21:54pm

re: #125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Typically, yes. Always? No.

It really depends on how “religious” one is. Can’t spell fundamentalist without fundamental.

134 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:21:57pm

re: #130 000G

I don’t see the contradiction. An average denier is not familiar with the sources, so they think it’s US/UK/Israel. Those who dig a bit deeper begin to blame the Soviets.

135 allegro  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:22:34pm

re: #132 calochortus

I suspect Romney might be decent competition for him. Not that I’m excited about Romney either.

Maybe for the general population but we’re talking about the party base. I don’t see a lot of excitement for Romney. Didn’t in 2007 and even less now.

136 jvic  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:23:55pm

1.

In 2006, Bachmann said her husband had told her to get a post-doctorate degree in tax law.

a. I suspect that people who spent years slaving over a dissertation are not going to appreciate hearing that a doctorate is obtained by sitting in Oral Roberts University’s law classes. People toiling in temp appointments at the bottom of the academic ladder will be surprised to learn that a master’s degree is a post-doctorate credential.

But they’re not voting for Bachmann anyway. Who cares what they think?

b. Bachmann is aiming at two birds with one stone. The marital submission thing is the obvious one. Also, pandering to anti-tax craziness, she is trying to distance herself from her work for the IRS: her husband told her to do it.

2.

“Do you think submissive means subservient?” O’Donnell asked. (p) “Not to us,” Bachmann said. “To us it means respect. We respect each other, we listen to each other, we love each other and that is what it means.”

Thanks, Michelle! You inspired me to commence the vegetarian diet I’ve been considering. I just filled my slow cooker with mixed vegetables, which is what the ‘boneless pork chops’ label on the package really means.

137 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:24:08pm

re: #135 allegro

True, but I don’t see a lot of excitement for Perry either, and the GOP has pretty much purged all their moderates, so we may end up with a wingnut nominee.

138 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:25:16pm

re: #130 000G

BTW, for a good-natured fun google Steffen Werner: Die 2. babylonische Gefangenschaft.

139 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:25:55pm

re: #134 Sergey Romanov

I don’t see the contradiction. An average denier is not familiar with the sources, so they think it’s US/UK/Israel. Those who dig a bit deeper begin to blame the Soviets.

I didn’t say there was a contradiction. I just think most deniers don’t “dig deeper” than what their wishful thinking allows for. The wishful thinking preceeds and overrides all digging. People like Pressac are the exception, not the rule.

140 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:25:56pm

re: #129 calochortus

We’ve been redefining marriage for centuries. However, apparently arranged marriages actually do fairly well-at least currently in cultures where it is traditional-which I suspect means you don’t absolutely have to go with your parents’ choice of a mate, there is some choice.

I have a few friends from arranged marriage traditions. One is gay, another is gay in a pre-Prop 8 gay marriage. But another friend I think was more annoyed with having to field questions from dunces about why it didn’t really bother him (in his culture, it’s initiated by aunts.) I figure hey, if it means participating in something your family has done since the year 7,777 BCE and it’s the “in” to the rest of the culture, then why not.

141 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:26:45pm
142 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:26:50pm

re: #136 jvic

So she did not, in fact, obey him if she got a Master’s instead of doing post doc work. She stood up for her rights!!

143 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:27:00pm

re: #135 allegro

Maybe for the general population but we’re talking about the party base. I don’t see a lot of excitement for Romney. Didn’t in 2007 and even less now.

Exactly. Perry is more representative of the GOP at it’s core. Romney represents the money interests that con the rubes to win elections. Perry represents the rubes. Perry jumped in the race because he knows that their is a yearning for a candidate like him. He may not go all the way, but Romney has real competition for the first time and I don’t think he’s prepared for it. At a minimum he gets badly bloodied going into the general with an awareness of just how much he isn’t liked by the GOP base.

144 allegro  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:27:30pm

re: #137 calochortus

True, but I don’t see a lot of excitement for Perry either, and the GOP has pretty much purged all their moderates, so we may end up with a wingnut nominee.

You don’t think Perry is the wingnuttiest of the wingnuts? I promise you he is in addition to being a corrupt grifter of the sleezy type that make today’s wingnuts cream their… well anyway, the type they LUUUV.

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:28:11pm

re: #122 calochortus

There just isn’t a big constituency out there for him.

Oh, but there is: namely everyone inclined to believe that the cure to our economic woes is to cut taxes and loosen government regulation.

Perry has the rhetoric to sell that point convincingly, and once he moves into the position of the party’s front runner and chosen Obama Slayer, nobody in the GOP will dare to call him out on his past record or statements, and even the press will find itself unable to take him to task without kicing up a sh*t storm of countercharges and obfustication.

146 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:28:27pm

re: #138 Sergey Romanov

BTW, for a good-natured fun google Steffen Werner: Die 2. babylonische Gefangenschaft.

Oh man. Did that really come out in 1990?

147 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:29:42pm

re: #144 allegro

You don’t think Perry is the wingnuttiest of the wingnuts? I promise you he is in addition to being a corrupt grifter of the sleezy type that make today’s wingnuts cream their… well anyway, the type they LUUUV.

An awful lot of folks over at Free Republic think Perry is a screaming liberal. They may not be representative of the rest of wingnutdom, but they’re all I have to base my opinion on.

148 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:29:53pm

re: #144 allegro

You don’t think Perry is the wingnuttiest of the wingnuts? I promise you he is in addition to being a corrupt grifter of the sleezy type that make today’s wingnuts cream their… well anyway, the type they LUUUV.

Also he’s a man and the fundies no longer have to struggle with voting for someone with a va-jay-jay.

149 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:30:14pm

re: #146 000G

Oh man. Did that really come out in 1990?

Hard to imagine, no? I wonder how he reacted to the news that 6,000,000 Jews were not hidden by the Soviets in Belorussia.

150 allegro  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:30:52pm

re: #147 calochortus

An awful lot of folks over at Free Republic think Perry is a screaming liberal. They may not be representative of the rest of wingnutdom, but they’re all I have to base my opinion on.

Are you serious? LOL! Thanks for sharing. It’s not a place I could stand to visit.

151 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:30:52pm

re: #147 calochortus

An awful lot of folks over at Free Republic think Perry is a screaming liberal. They may not be representative of the rest of wingnutdom, but they’re all I have to base my opinion on.

I can’t think of any other alternative for the Freepers right now without pulling a Godwin.

//

152 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:31:09pm

re: #147 calochortus

An awful lot of folks over at Free Republic think Perry is a screaming liberal. They may not be representative of the rest of wingnutdom, but they’re all I have to base my opinion on.

WTF? Based on what?

153 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:31:30pm

re: #147 calochortus

An awful lot of folks over at Free Republic think Perry is a screaming liberal. They may not be representative of the rest of wingnutdom, but they’re all I have to base my opinion on.

Oh, wingnutdom is a large, vast universe.

154 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:31:40pm

re: #137 calochortus

True, but I don’t see a lot of excitement for Perry either, and the GOP has pretty much purged all their moderates, so we may end up with a wingnut nominee.

after hearing perry’s announcement speech, i revised my opinion of his appeal downward quite a bit. the rhetoric was standard so it didn’t show where he expected to differentiate himself and stand out, and his delivery was dismal, really dismal

the wingnuts are looking for somebody who will talk to “america” in the tone of voice of an authoritarian father who’s idea of raising their children is to thunder “You WILL Shut Up Right Now Young Man And Do What I Say”. they will just about orgasm if somebody comes along and talks like that, but so far nobody, not even perry, fits the bill

155 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:32:45pm

re: #153 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

United in their hatred for Obama.

156 Flavia  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:33:19pm

re: #36 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The only folks who I can see buying the “respect” line are: A) the religious right and B) the willfully gullible. Everybody else who hears a woman say she allowed her husband to dictate her career choice out of “respect,” especially female voters, is gonna respond “BULLSHIT!”

Of course - the problem being when more stupid people vote than not. That’s what they’re hoping for & that’s what we have to mobilize against.

157 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:33:30pm

re: #145 ralphieboy

Perry has the rhetoric to sell that point convincingly

it isn’t really about the words, though, so much as it’s about the music

reagan knew how to sing the tune

158 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:35:38pm

re: #156 Flavia

Of course - the problem being when more stupid people vote than not. That’s what they’re hoping for & that’s what we have to mobilize against.

qft

159 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:36:06pm

re: #154 engineer dog

after hearing perry’s announcement speech, i revised my opinion of his appeal downward quite a bit. the rhetoric was standard so it didn’t show where he expected to differentiate himself and stand out, and his delivery was dismal, really dismal

the wingnuts are looking for somebody who will talk to “america” in the tone of voice of an authoritarian father who’s idea of raising their children is to thunder “You WILL Shut Up Right Now Young Man And Do What I Say”. they will just about orgasm if somebody comes along and talks like that, but so far nobody, not even perry, fits the bill

Yeah, I call it Big Daddy/Wagging Mommy Finger Government.

If they can’t get the government to treat them like the petulant children they are, e.g. states rights, enforced social conservatism, they get very confused about life.

160 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:36:38pm

re: #157 engineer dog

it isn’t really about the words, though, so much as it’s about the music

reagan knew how to sing the tune

exactly. he does not really have the record, but he has the ability to sell his point convincingly: to keep it concise and simple enough to be brought across in sound bytes and 30-second spots, and that is what wins elections nowadays.

161 jvic  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:36:54pm

re: #145 ralphieboy

Oh, but there is: namely everyone inclined to believe that the cure to our economic woes is to cut taxes and loosen government regulation.

Perry has the rhetoric to sell that point convincingly, and once he moves into the position of the party’s front runner and chosen Obama Slayer, nobody in the GOP will dare to call him out on his past record or statements, and even the press will find itself unable to take him to task without kicing up a sh*t storm of countercharges and obfustication.

This post by elizajane notes that News Corp’s WSJ has made a good start debunking Perry. This post too.

162 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:37:14pm

re: #150 allegro

re: #152 moderatelyradicalliberal

Let’s see, he’s weak on border security, tried to force Gardasil vaccinations on all prepubescent girls, has increased government spending, might be a Bilderberger… This is not to say that he doesn’t have supporters, but there are fewer than I would have expected. I don’t think many of them trust him not to be on whatever side of an issue is to his personal advantage.

163 allegro  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:37:15pm

re: #160 ralphieboy

exactly. he does not really have the record, but he has the ability to sell his point convincingly: to keep it concise and simple enough to be brought across in sound bytes and 30-second spots, and that is what wins elections nowadays.

..and good hair. Never forget the good hair.

164 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:37:33pm

re: #147 calochortus

An awful lot of folks over at Free Republic think Perry is a screaming liberal.

Ugh, Freeperville. They just want Sarah Palin to run in hopes that she’ll have a n%p sl#p on the stump.

165 Kronocide  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:38:02pm

re: #160 ralphieboy

exactly. he does not really have the record, but he has the ability to sell his point convincingly: to keep it concise and simple enough to be brought across in sound bytes and 30-second spots, and that is what wins elections nowadays.

Instead of a mile wide and an inch deep, today it’s 1,000 miles wide and a few seconds deep.

166 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:39:15pm

re: #149 Sergey Romanov

Hard to imagine, no? I wonder how he reacted to the news that 6,000,000 Jews were not hidden by the Soviets in Belorussia.

I don’t. I know it’s an important topic and I am happy that people like you tackle it in detail, but the entire enterprise of denial makes my stomach churn too much for genuine curiosity into the evasive and fantastic thought process involved into creating fiction after fiction after fiction and calling it a quest for truth while literally spitting on the graves of millions of innocent human beings slaughtered.

What I do wonder is how popular this junk would have been in Germany if it could have been promoted and sold legally.

167 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:39:20pm

re: #147 calochortus

An awful lot of folks over at Free Republic think Perry is a screaming liberal. They may not be representative of the rest of wingnutdom, but they’re all I have to base my opinion on.

Anyone to the left of what they imagine Ronald Reagan was is a raging liberal to those dolts. Face it Freepers, there’s no conservative knight on a white horse arriving to make you feel better.

168 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:39:45pm

re: #161 jvic

This post by elizajane notes that News Corp’s WSJ has made a good start debunking Perry. This post too.

you can debunk him on the facts, but since when has creationism, fundamentalism and AGW denial ever been based on facts? Since when has GOP economic pooicy been based on economic facts?

He represents the ideology the GOP is trying to sell us, and does it better than any candidate running. Which is why I am sure he will take the nomination.

Whether they can spin his record enough to sell a mojority of the general electorate will depend on a lot of things, but a weak economy combined with a climate of fear, insecurity and mistrust will do a lot to promote their ends.

169 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:40:41pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Anyone to the left of what they imagine Ronald Reagan was is a raging liberal to those dolts. Face it Freepers, there’s no conservative knight on a white horse arriving to make you feel better.

One wonders what would happen if RR was resurrected. They’d probably all have heart attacks when they realized he wasn’t what they remember.

170 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:41:26pm

Shrieking Harpie has a “Scary Obama Shadow” on her blog.

171 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:41:35pm

re: #169 calochortus

Reagan In Name Only

172 allegro  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:41:52pm

re: #169 calochortus

One wonders what would happen if RR was resurrected. They’d probably all have heart attacks when they realized he wasn’t what they remember.

Imagine how surprised HE would be!

173 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:42:05pm

re: #169 calochortus

One wonders what would happen if RR was resurrected. They’d probably all have heart attacks when they realized he wasn’t what they remember.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAk7Hrf2joU

174 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:42:08pm

re: #166 000G

Well, if you ever go to Russia, be sure to visit any bookstore. The amount of Stalin on the covers may suggest an answer. ;)

175 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:42:21pm

re: #169 calochortus

One wonders what would happen if RR was resurrected. They’d probably all have heart attacks when they realized he wasn’t what they remember.

176 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:42:49pm

re: #169 calochortus

One wonders what would happen if RR was resurrected. They’d probably all have heart attacks when they realized he wasn’t what they remember.

No but that is the point with Perry: what they remember of Reagan has little to do with what he was, but rather what he stood for.

And that is how they are going to package and sell Perry. for what he stands for: low taxes, less regulation family values and more jobs.

177 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:42:56pm

re: #169 calochortus

One wonders what would happen if RR was resurrected. They’d probably all have heart attacks when they realized he wasn’t what they remember.

Yeah this is a president who after all was willing to talk with Mikhail Gorbachev (the way Obama gets hammered for acknowledging the importance of diplomacy, can you imagine?) or the fact that Reagan didn’t treat his opponents like they were evil incarnate, he and Tip O’Neill were famously friends after 5 PM as I believe Tip put it in his memoirs, and the biggie, this is a president who actually gave amnesty to illegals. Can’t see that going over too well with the Know Nothings. It’s the idea of Reagan that matters more than the realty if who Ronald Reagan was.

178 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:43:45pm

re: #173 000G

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAk7Hrf2joU

LOL

179 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:44:59pm

Perry reminds me of Huckabee. Seems to have a lot of pull with the Evangelicals but unlike Huckabee, I think he’s probably more popular with the business community. What I see Perry who has won three gubernatorial elections doign against his opponents is positioning himself as a “proven winner.” Romney’s appeal seems to be at least in some quarters “He’s the only guy who can beat Obama.”

180 Atlas Fails  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:46:33pm

Damn, Gallup daily polling shows Obama at 39%. Quite a drop from the NYT’s 48% result last week.

181 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:47:45pm

re: #174 Sergey Romanov

Well, if you ever go to Russia, be sure to visit any bookstore. The amount of Stalin on the covers may suggest an answer. ;)

I don’t think I will ever understand the sense of alienation from reality one must possess in order to wilfully distort a horrible history into a praiseworthy myth, just so that they can fit into some bizarre tradition.

182 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:48:13pm

re: #152 moderatelyradicalliberal

WTF? Based on what?

Big backer of AltEnergy.

Afternoon, all. Lots of cloud cover yesterday, holding us to 97. It’s 103 already, today.

183 Atlas Fails  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:48:39pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Yeah this is a president who after all was willing to talk with Mikhail Gorbachev (the way Obama gets hammered for acknowledging the importance of diplomacy, can you imagine?) or the fact that Reagan didn’t treat his opponents like they were evil incarnate, he and Tip O’Neill were famously friends after 5 PM as I believe Tip put it in his memoirs, and the biggie, this is a president who actually gave amnesty to illegals. Can’t see that going over too well with the Know Nothings. It’s the idea of Reagan that matters more than the realty if who Ronald Reagan was.

Ironically, the most Raygun-like candidate in today’s GOP is probably Huntsman, who has the least chance of going anywhere.

184 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:49:56pm

re: #162 calochortus

re: #152 moderatelyradicalliberal

Let’s see, he’s weak on border security, tried to force Gardasil vaccinations on all prepubescent girls, has increased government spending, might be a Bilderberger… This is not to say that he doesn’t have supporters, but there are fewer than I would have expected. I don’t think many of them trust him not to be on whatever side of an issue is to his personal advantage.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Gardasil dust-up. At least the they recognize that Texas’ budget woes occurred on his watch.

185 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:50:01pm

re: #183 Atlas Fails

Ironically, the most Raygun-like candidate in today’s GOP is probably Huntsman, who has the least chance of going anywhere.

Yeah Huntsman’s not going anywhere. I feel mixed about the guy. I like that he’s not a fanatic about gay marriage but his comments about the EPA the other night made me cringe.

186 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:50:02pm

re: #181 000G

1. They were killing only the bad guys.

2. See 1.

3. When they were killing the good guys, it was for the good of the country.

4. Scratch 1, they weren’t killing anyone, enemies of the people and closet Trotskyites did.

187 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:50:50pm

re: #180 Atlas Fails

Damn, Gallup daily polling shows Obama at 39%. Quite a drop from the NYT’s 48% result last week.

I wouldn’t worry too much about a daily tracking poll on Sunday if I were you.

188 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:52:03pm

re: #169 calochortus

One wonders what would happen if RR was resurrected. They’d probably all have heart attacks when they realized he wasn’t what they remember.

They worship the myth, not the man. The man raised taxes several times, as well as the debt ceiling, and saw explosive growth in the size of the government and government spending. He agreed to amnesty for illegals, he believed in detente with the Soviet Union and mutual disarmament, and was willing to do all this despite critics on his own side saying that they were bad ideas.

But that really applies to any of the GOP’s idols these days. If you brought Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Richard Nixon, and Ronald Reagan onto the modern stage and asked them what their opinion of the modern GOP is, they’d not be well met by the men who invoke their names with regularity.

189 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:53:08pm

Your High-Drama 60s Keyboards Clip of the Day:

190 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:53:59pm

re: #188 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They worship the myth, not the man. The man raised taxes several times, as well as the debt ceiling, and saw explosive growth in the size of the government and government spending. He agreed to amnesty for illegals, he believed in detente with the Soviet Union and mutual disarmament, and was willing to do all this despite critics on his own side saying that they were bad ideas.

But that really applies to any of the GOP’s idols these days. If you brought Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Richard Nixon, and Ronald Reagan onto the modern stage and asked them what their opinion of the modern GOP is, they’d not be well met by the men who invoke their names with regularity.

The one thing I give grudging credit to Glenn Beck for is acknowledging that Reagan wasn’t the super conservative they make him out to be. But then again, I fault him for creating this idea that there was a time when society was totally free market.

191 Atlas Fails  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:54:27pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Yeah Huntsman’s not going anywhere. I feel mixed about the guy. I like that he’s not a fanatic about gay marriage but his comments about the EPA the other night made me cringe.

I feel similarly ambivalent about Huntsman, and that’s another similarity he has with RR. I don’t think Raygun was a great president or even above average, but he was in the right place at the right time and didn’t fuck things up and start a nuclear war. The only reason he’s reached such a mythical status in today’s GOP is because he’s the only president of the 20th century who could be legitimately called conservative that wasn’t an abject failure.

192 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:55:11pm

re: #191 Atlas Fails

And he knew how to look presidential. That counts for something.

193 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:55:32pm

re: #191 Atlas Fails

I feel similarly ambivalent about Huntsman, and that’s another similarity he has with RR. I don’t think Raygun was a great president or even above average, but he was in the right place at the right time and didn’t fuck things up and start a nuclear war. The only reason he’s reached such a mythical status in today’s GOP is because he’s the only president of the 20th century who could be legitimately called conservative that wasn’t an abject failure.

QFT.

194 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:55:38pm

re: #186 Sergey Romanov

Funny, the thing with Trotsky. Him being Stalin’s enemy, for a lot of Lefties who had to navigate in a post-stalinistic world, he became their hero even before Lenin. IIRC, even Christopher Hitchens still recently flirted with Trotsky.

From what little I know, he wasn’t exactly a choir boy during the civil war and the revolution, either…

195 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:57:16pm

re: #194 000G

Funny, the thing with Trotsky. Him being Stalin’s enemy, for a lot of Lefties who had to navigate in a post-stalinistic world, he became their hero even before Lenin. IIRC, even Christopher Hitchens still recently flirted with Trotsky.

From what little I know, he wasn’t exactly a choir boy during the civil war and the revolution, either…

Sure, he was a thug like the rest of them. Which is why I feel a minimum amount of pity for the actors in the staged Moscow trials.

196 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 1:59:29pm

I guess what it was with Trotsky is a belief that Stalin twisted Communism and the dreams of the revolution but yeah I am not that big on Trotsky either. Wasn’t the character of Snowball in Animal Farm loosely based off of him? I think that led to my brief Trotsky admiration. I really don’t know much about him but perhaps I’ll learn more this semester since my Russian history class covers his whole life in Russia (1880-1930) Still need to decide a topic to write on though since this is the class I am writing my big paper on for my history degree.

197 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:00:18pm

re: #194 000G

Funny, the thing with Trotsky. Him being Stalin’s enemy, for a lot of Lefties who had to navigate in a post-stalinistic world, he became their hero even before Lenin. IIRC, even Christopher Hitchens still recently flirted with Trotsky.

From what little I know, he wasn’t exactly a choir boy during the civil war and the revolution, either…

i don’t know much about it, but i heard that trotsky in power would probably have been even more of fascist than stalin

198 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:00:48pm

re: #195 Sergey Romanov

Sure, he was a thug like the rest of them. Which is why I feel a minimum amount of pity for the actors in the staged Moscow trials.

Ay. Man, when was Russian history ever not tragic?

Hitchens on Trotsky:

Also:

199 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:02:28pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

Look up the Kronstadt rebellion. Also, recently a read an in-depth monograph on the trial of SRs, and Trotsky was pretty much “in” on what was happening there (which was a judicial lynching, predating Stalin’s show trials).

200 jvic  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:03:05pm

1. The last paragraph of Perry’s announcement speech:

I believe in America. I believe in Her purpose and Her promise. I believe Her best days have not yet been lived. I believe Her greatest deeds are reserved for the generations to come. With the help and the courage of the American people, we will get our country working again. God bless you and God bless the United States of America.

Referring to the nation as feminine and especially the capitalization strike me as a dog whistle to…somebody. Can anyone clarify?

2. re: #168 ralphieboy

It’s true that Intrade has Perry’s 36% chance at the nomination as better than Romney’s 30%.

But, speaking as an independent voter, I’ve come to dislike Perry much more quickly than it typically takes me to dislike a Republican politician.

To state the obvious: barring black swans, the general election will be about the economy. If it’s okay, a Washington-Lincoln ticket wouldn’t beat Obama. If it’s bad enough, Nixon-Buchanan would win.

201 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:03:32pm

re: #189 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Your High-Drama 60s Keyboards Clip of the Day:

[Video]

I respond with…

Anne of Cleves!

202 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:05:28pm

re: #199 Sergey Romanov

Look up the Kronstadt rebellion.

I know German stalinists who still insist that the Soviet actions towards the Kronstadt sailors were ultimately justified, for those unruly, chaotic and undisciplined anarchists would otherwise have brought down the revolution.

203 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:05:46pm

re: #199 Sergey Romanov

Look up the Kronstadt rebellion. Also, recently a read an in-depth monograph on the trial of SRs, and Trotsky was pretty much “in” on what was happening there (which was a judicial lynching, predating Stalin’s show trials).

Cool, I’ll look in to it. As far as the USSR went, I think there was a lot of naivete about it on the global left frankly. The person who intrigues me is Rosa Luxemberg, a German leftist who was among the first to turn against the USSR on the far left. I quoted her in a paper I wrote on German imperialism in Africa last fall as a matter of fact.

204 Atlas Fails  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:06:59pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

I guess what it was with Trotsky is a belief that Stalin twisted Communism and the dreams of the revolution but yeah I am not that big on Trotsky either. Wasn’t the character of Snowball in Animal Farm loosely based off of him? I think that led to my brief Trotsky admiration. I really don’t know much about him but perhaps I’ll learn more this semester since my Russian history class covers his whole life in Russia (1880-1930) Still need to decide a topic to write on though since this is the class I am writing my big paper on for my history degree.

Yes, Snowball was based on Trotsky, just as the wise old pig from the beginning was based on Marx (was it a pig? It’s been a while since I read it). Don’t forget that Orwell himself was a socialist (don’t tell the freepers; their heads will explode), so his problem with the Soviet Union wasn’t it’s ideology, but it’s execution.

205 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:07:04pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

I am a little bit of a Luxemberg fan myself from what little I know about her.

206 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:07:51pm

I have some beautiful ripe peaches that are crying out to become a peach cobbler, so I’ll catch you all later.

207 Atlas Fails  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:07:55pm

re: #204 Atlas Fails

Yes, Snowball was based on Trotsky, just as the wise old pig from the beginning was based on Marx (was it a pig? It’s been a while since I read it). Don’t forget that Orwell himself was a socialist (don’t tell the freepers; their heads will explode), so his problem with the Soviet Union wasn’t its ideology, but its execution.

Shit, I’ve been reading too much Geller.

208 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:09:04pm

re: #204 Atlas Fails

Yes, Snowball was based on Trotsky, just as the wise old pig from the beginning was based on Marx (was it a pig? It’s been a while since I read it). Don’t forget that Orwell himself was a socialist (don’t tell the freepers; their heads will explode), so his problem with the Soviet Union wasn’t it’s ideology, but it’s execution.

Old Major was a pig, yes. I think Old Major was a little bit of Marx and Lenin. Yeah Orwell was a socialist. I read a little of Homage to Catalonia once but got caught in my studies. The Spanish Civil War is a subject I need to read more about. I have Anthony Beevor’s history of it but I haven’t found the time to read it yet.

209 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:12:33pm

re: #201 austin_blue

Anne of Cleves gets ten thousand updings.

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:13:20pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

What world does she live in where submissive has the same meaning as respect? Like Rick Perry, she’s yet another Republican candidate that shouldn’t be near the White House.

She doesn’t live in that world. However, in the world she lives in, she does not want to have to explain her beliefs about a wife’s role too clearly, lest it be a turn-off for the majority of potential Republican voters who don’t share them.

Hence, the finessing.

211 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:15:34pm

re: #199 Sergey Romanov

Also, recently a read an in-depth monograph on the trial of SRs, and Trotsky was pretty much “in” on what was happening there (which was a judicial lynching, predating Stalin’s show trials).

Makes me wonder what the KPD/Spartakists would have done with SPD members if they had won the momentum of the November Revolution…

212 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:16:06pm

re: #2 Obdicut

So, what happens when Marcus asks her to do something as president?

“Woman, reinstate DADT by executive order!”

To be fair she’d probably do that on her own initiative. Actually she’d probably go back to pre DADT, just ban gays entirely and try to weed them all out.

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:17:27pm

re: #21 ralphieboy

Submission to Allah, submission to husband…Fundamentalism is big on females being submissive and vassals being submissive to their overlords.

God, at least, can reasonably be believed to know better.

Have you MET my husband?

//Actually, this whole topic reminded my father of a conversation he once had with a friend about mutual friends who were doing some financial planning.

His buddy said, “C. wants to do all these crazy things. S. knows a lot more about money, except they’ve got this whole thing going on about the wife being submissive. Now, if it was me and my wife, that would work, but this is C. we’re talking about here!”

214 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:18:18pm

re: #19 wozzablog

The 1950’s called…they want their candidates back.

Bachmann’s not a 1950’s Minnesota candidate. Back then, you didn’t find her type of zealot running for office in northern states.

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:18:49pm

re: #36 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The only folks who I can see buying the “respect” line are: A) the religious right and B) the willfully gullible. Everybody else who hears a woman say she allowed her husband to dictate her career choice out of “respect,” especially female voters, is gonna respond “BULLSHIT!”

The religious right may also be offended that she’s going all mealy-mouthed about this concept.

216 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:19:05pm

re: #205 000G

I am a little bit of a Luxemberg fan myself from what little I know about her.

I really don’t know much about her. Wasn’t surprised she opposed Germany’s imperialist adventures in Africa of course. That was an interesting bit of research really since everyone knows about the British/French imperialist adventures but imperial Germany’s imperialist adventures following Bismarck’s departure and Wilhelm II’s rise was interesting research. Even more neat since the German sphere in China coincided with what I was learning about in my Chinese history class at the time.

217 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:19:16pm

re: #39 Alouette

Where in scripture does it say that women are supposed to be submissive? The actual Hebrew in Genesis translates as “helper, opposite him”

It’s in the Greek scriptures. Ephesians, I believe.

218 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:21:15pm

re: #204 Atlas Fails

Yes, Snowball was based on Trotsky, just as the wise old pig from the beginning was based on Marx (was it a pig? It’s been a while since I read it). Don’t forget that Orwell himself was a socialist (don’t tell the freepers; their heads will explode), so his problem with the Soviet Union wasn’t it’s ideology, but it’s execution.

Orwell supported the idea of collective action, but where he differed from the Communists was that he wanted to obtain such ends by democratic means and without trying to control every aspect of people’s lives like Stalin did.

219 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:22:16pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

The religious right may also be offended that she’s going all mealy-mouthed about this concept.

That, and playing the equality/fairness/just like everyone else/i don’t judge them card on yet another “would you hire a ______” question will get her politically downdinged for a couple news cycles.

[Link: www.advocate.com…]

I wonder who, from any camp, she thinks is going to believe her on that.

220 darthstar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:22:52pm

Greetings from the point just about half way.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:23:15pm

re: #102 3CPO

Reminds me of dinner at my paternal grandparents’ house. We kids would stay in the kitchen with the women while the women served the men in the dining room. Then the men would retire to smoke cigars on the porch so the women and children could eat.

Very traditional Danes.

My grandparents used to come for Thanksgiving, and we would have cultural disasters. My grandpa, my father’s stepfather, the Kansas man, would go sit in the living room and watch the game. By himself, since my father could care less about football, and being a good Irish boy, wanted to be in the kitchen basking in the glow off his mother’s halo. My mom, the nervous Jewish hostess, would try to keep my grandfather company, much to his confusion.

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:25:21pm

re: #140 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I have a few friends from arranged marriage traditions. One is gay, another is gay in a pre-Prop 8 gay marriage. But another friend I think was more annoyed with having to field questions from dunces about why it didn’t really bother him (in his culture, it’s initiated by aunts.) I figure hey, if it means participating in something your family has done since the year 7,777 BCE and it’s the “in” to the rest of the culture, then why not.

I’ve seen a couple of arranged marriages work out, and at least one that simply broke my heart (the parents of a friend).

223 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:25:24pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

The religious right may also be offended that she’s going all mealy-mouthed about this concept.

Maybe, but more likely they’ll see it as necessary “lying for Jesus”. Some of the loopier ones may shout, but any real presidential run will tick off the loopy ones, since they value purity over all else.

224 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:26:14pm

IDIOCRACY IS HERE! I went to Walmart this afternoon to pick up some cookout supplies. Enough said.

Lubbock has always been behind most of the country in average intelligence and levels of education so naturally it will be one of the first areas to reach a true state of Idiocracy as reflected in the film of the same name. One big difference: The film is set 500 years in the future, but its dystopian vision is happening right now in some places and it is coming to the brutish masses near you within a few years. Btw, Idiocracy was filmed in Austin, San Marcos, Pflugerville, and Round Rock, Texas

Further reading:
The Marching Moronsby Cyril Kornbluth

225 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:26:15pm

As a history major, the interesting thing really isn’t what makes Stalinism and Maoism similar, it’s what makes them different that fascinates me. Same thing with Nazism and Mussolini style fascism. Yes, we could go on and on about the similarities but the differences are what make learning about things like this fascinating to me. I guess that’s why I tend to take classes involving regions that have had radically different governments throughout the centuries.

226 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:26:37pm

OK, I hear revealing of our critique is postponed until the end of the week. Much proofreading, stitching it together and such.

227 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:26:47pm
228 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:28:33pm

re: #227 Atlas Fails

I thought only Mooslims were allowed to lie for their religion.

No, only Muslims are BAD when they lie for their religion.

//

229 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:29:50pm

Hmmm I wonder what Christine O’Donnell thinks of the lying for Christianity. And yes I know she’s a different type of Christian than Bachmann is.

230 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:30:42pm

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Maybe, but more likely they’ll see it as necessary “lying for Jesus”.

?

231 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:31:52pm

I’ll go back to church if Perry and Barton are struck by lightning next time they make a joint appearance, not that I would advocate such a thing by praying for it or anything. I’ll start tithing if the same thing happens simultaneously to all the creo-publican candidates.

232 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:32:37pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Hmmm I wonder what Christine O’Donnell thinks of the lying for Christianity. And yes I know she’s a different type of Christian than Bachmann is.

They have some overlap. Pat Robertson took her in despite her being a mary-worshipping idolator / during the 2010 campaign.

233 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:33:43pm

re: #232 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

They have some overlap. Pat Robertson took her in despite her being a mary-worshipping idolator / during the 2010 campaign.

Yeah, he supported Rudy Giuliani too.

234 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:34:17pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel

IDIOCRACY IS HERE! I went to Walmart this afternoon to pick up some cookout supplies. Enough said.

Lubbock has always been behind most of the country in average intelligence and levels of education so naturally it will be one of the first areas to reach a true state of Idiocracy as reflected in the film of the same name. One big difference: The film is set 500 years in the future, but its dystopian vision is happening right now in some places and it is coming to the brutish masses near you within a few years. Btw, Idiocracy was filmed in Austin, San Marcos, Pflugerville, and Round Rock, Texas

Further reading:
The Marching Moronsby Cyril Kornbluth

Office Space, too.

235 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:35:06pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

That was an interesting bit of research really since everyone knows about the British/French imperialist adventures but imperial Germany’s imperialist adventures following Bismarck’s departure and Wilhelm II’s rise was interesting research.

Without it, there wouldn’t have been a German Expressionist movement.

236 darthstar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:35:42pm

Hm…it’s 84 degrees outside…I think I’ll go sit in the pool for a bit…then go see Santa Fe a little later.

Sorry to hear about T-Paw - he was in the race longer than anyone else. Face it, you dorky fuck…people don’t buy that act. It’s gotta be embarrassing to go out before Gingrich and Santorum (who really are, or ought to be, synonymous).

237 Atlas Fails  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:38:17pm

re: #236 darthstar

Hm…it’s 84 degrees outside…I think I’ll go sit in the pool for a bit…then go see Santa Fe a little later.

Sorry to hear about T-Paw - he was in the race longer than anyone else. Face it, you dorky fuck…people don’t buy that act. It’s gotta be embarrassing to go out before Gingrich and Santorum (who really are, or ought to be, synonymous).

Frothy sex machine?

238 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:39:07pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

I really don’t know much about her. Wasn’t surprised she opposed Germany’s imperialist adventures in Africa of course. That was an interesting bit of research really since everyone knows about the British/French imperialist adventures but imperial Germany’s imperialist adventures following Bismarck’s departure and Wilhelm II’s rise was interesting research. Even more neat since the German sphere in China coincided with what I was learning about in my Chinese history class at the time.

I like Luxemburg’s critique of Marxism-Leninism and the Soviet system. One of the few Communists who seemed to grasp the importance of freedom. I also like her critique of the power structure of the civil society, especially as regards the police and the military.

Yeah, Germany’s imperialism is an interesting topic. AFAIK they still maintain the german architecture style in “Kiautschou”.

I find most interesting how it clashed with other imperialisms, especially that of France. Consider the case of the Rhineland and its occupation with black French soldiers (the subsequent racist campaigns of Germany, abetted by Britain, and the tragic fate of the “Rhineland Bastards” in Nazi Germany). The USPD was pretty much the only German party who got at least some things right in regards to German imperialism. All other parties were completely imperialist and nationalist.

239 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:39:16pm

re: #230 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

?

“Lying for Jesus” is a term sometimes used here on LGF. IT refers to when someone who says they are a Christian expresses a belief in something, when evidence shows they really do not believe that, but are claiming to do so in order to garner favor and draw people to them.

240 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:43:16pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

“Lying for Jesus” is a term sometimes used here on LGF. IT refers to when someone who says they are a Christian expresses a belief in something, when evidence shows they really do not believe that, but are claiming to do so in order to garner favor and draw people to them.

Dumb, gullible people do make for a ripe market for con artists, liars, and hypocrites, it’s true.

Thx for the explanation.

241 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:46:32pm

I know we often see comments on articles from other webs sites that are loony, but this next one from National Review is so right-on I had to repost it. It’s part of a thread from this article on Michelle Bachmann’s appearance on ‘Meet the Press’. The poster is responding to a previous comment. His except of that comment is in italics in the original and in my quoting:

[Approved commenter] Scott Wilson

08/14/11 16:53

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“She was saying that the term “gay” is a misnomer, because she considers homosexuality to be a sad dysfunction. “

Yep, that what I thought she was saying. Still, that alone is a problem because that statement appeals to two groups of people - strict social conservatives and blacks. That’s it.

In 2008, the Republican party lost the college educated-vote for the first time since they’ve been polling the college-educated voters. DO you think those people are going to be more or less agreeable with Bachamn’s general statement on homosexuality? Yes, of course they’re going to be less sympathetic to Bachman’s position.

Earlier this summer, Quinnipiac polled in the state of NY on the homosexual marriage question. It found that 67% of college-educated voters supported homosexual marriage. In that same poll, only 46% of non college-educated voters supported homosexual marriage.

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Unless the GOP can earn back those college-educated voters, beating Obama is going to be difficult. To the degree that a very anti-homosexual candidate either repels or attracts those kinds of voters, is probably unmeasurable, but to think that it won’t have at least some effect, is probably fanciful.

“it is obvious that she doesn’t intend to bring her personal opinions about homosexuality into the campaign”

Let’s stipulate that’s true. Unfortunately, candidates can’t always control what personal opinions are or are not “brought to the campaign”.

Nothing would make Barack Obama and David Axelrod happier than turning 2012 into a national conversation about abortion, homosexuality the age of the Earth - throw in some creationism, and you probably have just handed the election to Obama.

242 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:49:24pm

Since KT is out for a few days I went off and trudged through the mud of Pamela Geller’s “Atlas Shrugs” and found this:

Obama’s Ramadan Dinner Guest List Hides Attendance of Stealth Jihadists Tied to Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood

Obama’s seditious Ramadan dinner is the consummate achievement of the stealth jihad. Allahu FUBAR!

First, I blogged that Obama honored the sacrifices that Muslim Americans made on 911 and “the sacrifices that Muslim Americans have made for the country,” while not pointing out their true contribution to America.

If that wasn’t subversive enough, we discover that the Obama White House is covering up the Muslim Brotherhood proxies and stealth jihadists at the Ramadan celebration bombathon.

Why are they hiding? Because they know. And they know that we know…

She continues with some copy and past from Jihad Watch and some other paranoid “counterjihad” websites. One of the people that comes up is Mohamed Magid along with the proverbial ISNA. ISNA is always mentioned as the unindicted co-conspirator to something or another.

Magid was a participant at the state funeral for former President Ronald Wilson Reagan:

RONALD WILSON REAGAN - Fortieth President of the United States 1911-2004
THE CATHEDRAL CHURCH OF SAINT PETER AND SAINT PAUL
Washington National Cathedral

11 June 2004 at 11:30 am

Celebrant
The Reverend John C. Danforth

Participants
….
His Eminence Archbishop Demetrios
Primate of the Greek Orthodox Church in America

Imam Mohammad Magid Ali
Imam and Director of the All Dulles Area Muslim Society

And from an unknown year (as I type):

ADL’s Young Professionals Division to Present Part 2 of Confronting Intolerance Around the World Series

ADL’s Young Professionals Division will host Part 2 of its Series on Confronting Intolerance Around the World on Thursday, March 24 at the Center for American Progress. “Islamophobia: The Rise of Intolerance and Discrimination against Muslims” will feature Imam Mohamed Magid, President & Executive Director, Islamic Society of North America, who will discuss the causes of the rise of intolerance and discrimination against Muslims, how these sentiments are manifest in America and around the world, and how these challenges can be confronted.

243 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:53:03pm

re: #242 Gus 802

Since KT is out for a few days I went off and trudged through the mud of Pamela Geller’s “Atlas Shrugs” and found this:

She continues with some copy and past from Jihad Watch and some other paranoid “counterjihad” websites. One of the people that comes up is Mohamed Magid along with the proverbial ISNA. ISNA is always mentioned as the unindicted co-conspirator to something or another.

Magid was a participant at the state funeral for former President Ronald Wilson Reagan:

And from an unknown year (as I type):

ADL’s Young Professionals Division to Present Part 2 of Confronting Intolerance Around the World Series

I knew it, Ronald Reagan was part of the Muslim Brotherhood. Man Pam is amazing.

244 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:57:11pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

I knew it, Ronald Reagan was part of the Muslim Brotherhood. Man Pam is amazing.

She’s a non-stop crazy machine. I’m re-reading what she said and just sitting here scratching my head. I hope CNN and other media outlets have finally learned what a nut this woman is and never invite her to be on the air again pretending to be an expert on anything.

245 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:00:26pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

I know we often see comments on articles from other webs sites that are loony, but this next one from National Review is so right-on I had to repost it. It’s part of a thread from this article on Michelle Bachmann’s appearance on ‘Meet the Press’. The poster is responding to a previous comment. His except of that comment is in italics in the original and in my quoting:

“Yep, that what I thought she was saying. Still, that alone is a problem because that statement appeals to two groups of people - strict social conservatives and blacks. That’s it.”

Well whoever that blithering idiot Scott Wilson is in the comment is, he needs to put down the conservative homeschool courses, enroll in a real school, and take some courses.

Typical of his ilk, he misses the joke that even the people at NRO are bright enough to get.

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

I know we often see comments on articles from other webs sites that are loony, but this next one from National Review is so right-on I had to repost it. It’s part of a thread from this article on Michelle Bachmann’s appearance on ‘Meet the Press’. The poster is responding to a previous comment. His except of that comment is in italics in the original and in my quoting:

“Yep, that what I thought she was saying. Still, that alone is a problem because that statement appeals to two groups of people - strict social conservatives and blacks. That’s it.

In 2008, the Republican party lost the college educated-vote for the first time since they’ve been polling the college-educated voters.”

Well, being what appears to be a typical, miseducated conservative bigot, Scott Wilson needs to put away the homeschool courses, enroll in a real educational institution, and take some classes. ANY institution, ANY classes, on ANY topic will do.

Typical of his ilk, he missed what even someone at NRO, by hook or by crook, was bright enough to pick up on…the utter disconnect between Bachmann’s “submission” talk with the socon view of “personal bondage” and “enslavement”. From the article:

When Bachmann argued that “submission” meant “respect,” Gregory joked, “Congresswoman, I didn’t even have to check with my wife, and I know those two things aren’t equal.”

“Well in our house, it is,” Bachmann shot back.

Near the end of the segment, Gregory asked Bachmann about her views on gays and lesbians. He played a clip of Bachmann saying that the gay lifestyle was “personal bondage, personal despair, and personal enslavement.”

But then, there are cons so self-loathing and ignorant, they believe parroted phrases like “I’m my own master” is a concept that makes any sense. Yes. I am enslaved to myself, and this is a good thing. Uh-huh.

Stupid dupes. The rest of the social butthurt in the comments is equally hilarious.

246 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:05:51pm

re: #245 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Wilson wasn’t addressing that point. He was addressing Bachmann;s expressed views towards gays. It missed what you refer to because it wasn’t aimed there.

247 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:06:17pm

re: #242 Gus 802

I have no idea about ISNA, as far as I’m concerned they may be closet Jihadists, for all I care. But this unindicted co-conspirator bullshit is absolutely annoying. It doesn’t mean a fucking thing beyond that someone decided to mention another someone as a co-conspirator. It’s a non-issue legally. The “unindicted” is the key part here. Legally, unindicted=innocent. Extralegally, this may raise an eyebrow or two, but by itself it’s not evidence either - one must analyze the prosecutor’s intent in naming someone an u.c-c.

248 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:13:23pm

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

Wilson wasn’t addressing that point. He was addressing Bachmann;s expressed views towards gays. It missed what you refer to because it wasn’t aimed there.

Just to recap: Michele Bachmann does not have ten thousand prayers against Obama, so her expressed views towards us, one of many topics, is really a moot point.

Wilson’s stupid, bigoted comment was about how to avoid the appearance of gay hate to beat Obama, due to what he believes to be “college educated voters”. He gives away his con homeschool education on the entire issue by his second sentence.

249 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:17:43pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

Michelle Bachmann’s appearance on ‘Meet the Press’

Rotfl the people in the comments and their massive social anxieties are a total riot. /Schadenfreude

250 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:48:53pm

re: #227 Atlas Fails

I thought only Mooslims were allowed to lie for their religion.

No, but Muslims are at least honest about it and have a word for it. Christians liars have to first convince themselves that they are not lying; then they are not.

251 Flavia  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:13:44pm

re: #158 engineer dog

Thank you! (blush)


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