Herman Cain Takes Yet Another Position on Abortion: Jail

Flopping like a fish out of water

WingnutsOctober 2011 • Views: 21,030

This is starting to resemble a Saturday Night Live skit that goes on way too long, as Herman Cain finds yet another way to express the cognitive dissonance of his position(s) on abortion: GOP 12: Cain: It should be illegal for rape victims to have abortion.

FOX HOST MARTHA MACCALLUM: Do you believe that abortion should be legal in this country for families who want to make that decision [to abort]?

CAIN: No. I do not believe abortion should be legal in this country, if that’s the question.

MACCALLUM: So then you’re saying that if those circumstances come up and the family does make that decision, that they decide that that is the best thing for this young person or she decides that on her own, then if that’s what they decided, then it would be an illegal abortion that they would seek.

CAIN: It would be an illegal abortion! Look, abortion should not be legal — that is clear — but if that family made a decision to break the law, that’s their decision.

Previously, Cain said that if a “family” (not just a woman alone, that’s unthinkable) made a decision to have an abortion because the woman was raped or her life was in danger, as President he would not try to tell them they couldn’t get that abortion.

Now we know what he really meant. He’d just throw them in jail.

Glad he cleared that up.

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92 comments

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:10:02pm

Wow. Fully illegal abortion. Insane. And this guy isn’t castigated and kicked out of the GOP for being a radical.

Because he isn’t. The GOP has become massively, massively radical. They do not deserve the ‘conservative’ title at all.

Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:10:48pm

And don’t forget to tune in tomorrow, when Herman Cain will further clarify his view and will state that anyone attempting to get an abortion should be summarily executed!

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:11:52pm

re: #2 Simply Sarah

I expect him to say that he wants no jail time for the women, just for the doctors, nursers, etc. I’ll put $5 on that as his next clarification. The women can go free, perhaps with an ankle monitoring bracelet to make sure they bear their child like a good little girl and don’t attempt to flee for the border.

freetoken Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:12:12pm

re: #2 Simply Sarah

And don’t forget to tune in tomorrow, when Herman Cain will further clarify his view and will state that anyone attempting to get an abortion should be summarily executed!

By being thrown up against the electrified fence surrounded by alligator moats…

Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:12:13pm

This makes me feel all the worse over screwing up on reading his position a couple threads ago.

recusancy Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:12:44pm

President Romney should totally make him the Treasury Secretary!

HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:13:04pm

Yeah the two parties aren’t different at all. WTF is his problem. Jail a woman who is raped and then chooses to get an abortion? Great idea. //

Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:13:07pm

re: #2 Simply Sarah

And don’t forget to tune in tomorrow, when Herman Cain will further clarify his view and will state that anyone attempting to get an abortion should be summarily executed!

But he won’t try to stop them in any other way!

erik_t Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:14:23pm

Whatever. I’m just laughing.

It’s a choice! You can choose to break the law!

Thanks, Big Thinker.

Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:14:49pm

re: #3 Obdicut

I expect him to say that he wants no jail time for the women, just for the doctors, nursers, etc. I’ll put $5 on that as his next clarification. The women can go free, perhaps with an ankle monitoring bracelet to make sure they bear their child like a good little girl and don’t attempt to flee for the border.

Perhaps. The GOP seems to be moving away from the “We don’t want to punish the poor mother”. Don’t for the bills to make miscarriages be treated as murders.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:15:23pm

I hope he wins the primary.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:15:26pm

SMALLER GOVERNMENT!!! JOBS!!! AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM!!! NEIN-NEIN-NEIN!!!

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:15:47pm

re: #10 Simply Sarah

Perhaps. The GOP seems to be moving away from the “We don’t want to punish the poor mother”. Don’t for the bills to make miscarriages be treated as murders.

Sure. I’m just putting money on where Cain’s ever-evolving position will land him.

Simply Sarah Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:16:28pm

re: #13 Obdicut

Sure. I’m just putting money on where Cain’s ever-evolving position will land him.

It’s not evolving. It’s unintelligently designed.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:17:08pm

Will DF now show up to say this position makes sense because any woman who wants to have an abortion must be a democrat and why should the GOP do them any favors?

engineer cat Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:19:12pm

and if that doesn’t shut up the religious right, next he’ll suggest throwing members of planned parenthood onto the electrified fence

[gop debate studio audience cheers]

erik_t Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:20:09pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Will DF now show up to say this position makes sense because any woman who wants to have an abortion must be a democrat and why should the GOP do them any favors?

Never accept an invitation to fight a pig in a moat of shit, or however the metaphor goes.

celticdragon Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:20:12pm

Government small enough to fit in your uterus.

Fuck it. Time for a Godwin…

The people who have seized control of the GOP are well on their way to being classical corporatist facsists, where industry, religion and the populace are expected to advance the interests of the State. They don;t want “small government” as You or I might understand the term…they want government that will coerce a narrow and regressive view of morailty and religion while openly partnering with large business interests to fleece the populace and line their own pockets. They want war without end to distract us with patriotic ferver ( Iran is next, if they have their way). They want ever increasing ability to monitor our private affairs in our own homes or when we travel (say good bye to Griswold V. Conn, and say hello to more strip searches at airports)

They are looking an awful lot like the folks in 1925 Italy, in other words.

“When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross”

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:20:19pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Will DF now show up to say this position makes sense because any woman who wants to have an abortion must be a democrat and why should the GOP do them any favors?

nah see if abortions are legal and women pay to have abortions then the dems want to keep abortion legal so doctors will donate to their campaigns or something…

HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:21:17pm

And Bob Vander Plaatz thinks he isn’t “pro life” enough why? Really this would be such a terrible policy. It would also require more jails which would you know cost money or I am sure a corporations are always right no matter what guy like Cain loves the idea of corporate prisons.

RadicalModerate Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:22:05pm

re: #16 engineer dog

and if that doesn’t shut up the religious right, next he’ll suggest throwing members of planned parenthood onto the electrified fence

Or rounding them up and telling them they can only live and work in his special “opportunity zones”

McSpiff Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:22:18pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Will DF now show up to say this position makes sense because any woman who wants to have an abortion must be a democrat and why should the GOP do them any favors?

D_F just likes to stir the pot and run away. I’m sure he has a D&D troll-type for that as well…

Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:26:24pm

Mission America: Halloween is cheating on Jesus

“it isn’t appropriate for the bride of Christ to observe a holiday founded on the priorities of our spiritual enemy. “

Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:28:39pm

Eric Cantor cancels speech after learning it would be open to the public

Donna Ballard Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:28:58pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Yeah the two parties aren’t different at all. WTF is his problem. Jail a woman who is raped and then chooses to get an abortion? Great idea. //

The way he’s talking it sounds as if he’d just love to take away a woman’s right to do just about anything. If he somehow managed to out-law abortion, what’s next? Our right to vote? Our right to work outside the home? Our right to show our faces in public? Kinda sounds like the beginnings of Sharia law to me. Just sayin…
Now I’m gonna be a good little woman and go bury myself in my art. //

HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:30:16pm

re: #25 Dragon_Lady

The way he’s talking it sounds as if he’d just love to take away a woman’s right to do just about anything. If he somehow managed to out-law abortion, what’s next? Our right to vote? Our right to work outside the home? Our right to show our faces in public? Kinda sounds like the beginnings of Sharia law to me. Just sayin…
Now I’m gonna be a good little woman and go bury myself in my art. //

Yeah but tolerating Muslims and allowing halal meat is the real danger. Seriously his talk is what I would have expected three-four years ago from a fringe candidate.

RadicalModerate Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:30:17pm

Isn’t Bob Vander Plaatz the birther guy who authored that insane “Family Leader” pledge that Michelle Bachmann (and a couple other candidates) signed a few months back?

Iowa Family Leader’s Vander Plaats is a Birther

Yep. Same guy.

erik_t Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:31:22pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Yeah but tolerating Muslims and allowing halal meat is the real danger. Seriously his talk is what I would have expected three-four years ago from a fringe candidate.

Well, he is a fringe candidate. But AnybodyButRomney is running out of options.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:33:15pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Wow. Fully illegal abortion. Insane. And this guy isn’t castigated and kicked out of the GOP for being a radical.

Because he isn’t. The GOP has become massively, massively radical. They do not deserve the ‘conservative’ title at all.

I’m keeping an open mind on the idea that the GOP may not be castigating him for being a radical because they can’t figure out what it is he’s trying to say either.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:33:28pm

re: #3 Obdicut

I expect him to say that he wants no jail time for the women, just for the doctors, nursers, etc. I’ll put $5 on that as his next clarification. The women can go free, perhaps with an ankle monitoring bracelet to make sure they bear their child like a good little girl and don’t attempt to flee for the border.

Mitt Romney is still on track to be ‘last man standing’. His willingness to accept vaccine science has stood him in good stead, as he has seemingly been inoculated against the current bout of Foot-In-Mouth Disease afflicting the GOP primary field.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:33:38pm

re: #2 Simply Sarah

And don’t forget to tune in tomorrow, when Herman Cain will further clarify his view and will state that anyone attempting to get an abortion should be summarily executed!

But that will have been a family decision.

HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:33:49pm

re: #28 erik_t

Well, he is a fringe candidate. But AnybodyButRomney is running out of options.

I’m reminded of what Adlai Stevenson said to a woman who said “Why, Mr. Stevenson, you’ll get the vote of every thinking man and woman in this country.” “Why thank you madam but I need a majority.” Cain is fringe yes but he’s also leading the GOP polls.

engineer cat Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:33:57pm

Romney Questions U.S. Withdrawal From Iraq

“President Obama’s astonishing failure to secure an orderly transition in Iraq…”

um, does anybody have any idea what the hell mitt is talking about here?

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:34:12pm

re: #5 Simply Sarah

This makes me feel all the worse over screwing up on reading his position a couple threads ago.

Don’t. He’s simply incoherent on this point.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:35:19pm

re: #33 engineer dog

Romney Questions U.S. Withdrawal From Iraq

“President Obama’s astonishing failure to secure an orderly transition in Iraq…”

um, does anybody have any idea what the hell mitt is talking about here?

No, and that includes Mitt.

jaunte Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:35:38pm

Does the whole family go to jail, or just the females?

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:36:05pm

re: #9 erik_t

Whatever. I’m just laughing.

It’s a choice! You can choose to break the law!

Thanks, Big Thinker.

Yeah, it is a little surreal. “I won’t take away your right to make that choice, as a family, the way Americans should, but it will be against the law.”

By that standard, if my husband and I decide to rob a bank, Herman Cain won’t take that choice away from us…

Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:37:18pm

re: #36 jaunte

Does the whole family go to jail, or just the females?

Her spouse or male relatives would be held accountable for not controlling their women folk.

mikec6666 Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:37:33pm

re: #8 Charles

Wait for the question as to what should happen to the doctor. That should be illuminating.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:38:07pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Will DF now show up to say this position makes sense because any woman who wants to have an abortion must be a democrat and why should the GOP do them any favors?

Guys, you KNOW DF is an openly partisan Republican. Why does this news always seem to catch everyone off guard? He’s never hidden it, and he’s been here forever.

Donna Ballard Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:38:14pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Yeah but tolerating Muslims and allowing halal meat is the real danger. Seriously his talk is what I would have expected three-four years ago from a fringe candidate.

Don’t need to tolerate Muslims to have Sharia Law enacted, just call it something else! There are some people out there that just can’t stand the though that a woman has the right to say what happens to her own body. I even know several women who think the right to have an abortion means a woman is desecrating the temple of her body, regardless of whether a man did it first via rape or incest.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:38:15pm

re: #33 engineer dog

Romney Questions U.S. Withdrawal From Iraq

“President Obama’s astonishing failure to secure an orderly transition in Iraq…”

um, does anybody have any idea what the hell mitt is talking about here?

He’s slinging mud. I’d honestly argue that the decision in allowing the US to keep a training presence in Iraq belongs to the Iraqis. They decided not to grant immunity to our troops, and that was something we cannot abide (the reason honestly being the corrupt and easily politicized nature of Iraq’s court system). I understand why Romney is inclined to use this against Obama, but I can’t really see where anyone else would have done better. Unless, that is, that person was Bradley Manning’s co-worker or superior and stopped The Other Manning from handing that document trove to Wikileaks.

engineer cat Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:38:48pm

AnybodyButRomney

cain is already losing his flavor of the month

the people who own the gop want mitt, and the teabaggers will swallow mitt

Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:39:24pm

re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist

Guys, you KNOW DF is an openly partisan Republican. Why does this news always seem to catch everyone off guard? He’s never hidden it, and he’s been here forever.

I used to think there might have been a point where at least some common sense kicked in.

Apparently not.

erik_t Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:39:28pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

I’m reminded of what Adlai Stevenson said to a woman who said “Why, Mr. Stevenson, you’ll get the vote of every thinking man and woman in this country.” “Why thank you madam but I need a majority.” Cain is fringe yes but he’s also leading the GOP polls.

Sure, but so did Perry, Bachmann, Trump… Cain’s at 14:58.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:39:41pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Mitt Romney is still on track to be ‘last man standing’. His willingness to accept vaccine science has stood him in good stead, as he has seemingly been inoculated against the current bout of Foot-In-Mouth Disease afflicting the GOP primary field.

My father is still holding out hope for Huntsman. (He’s going to vote for Obama, he just wants Huntsman to win the nomination. For sanity’s sake. My mother and I keep telling him this is not rational.)

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:40:31pm

re: #33 engineer dog

Romney Questions U.S. Withdrawal From Iraq

“President Obama’s astonishing failure to secure an orderly transition in Iraq…”

um, does anybody have any idea what the hell mitt is talking about here?

He’s floating the Republican’s last hope to convince anyone in this election that Barack Obama is bad at the military-overseas-git-tuff-on-terror stuff.

HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:40:41pm

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

My father is still holding out hope for Huntsman. (He’s going to vote for Obama, he just wants Huntsman to win the nomination. For sanity’s sake. My mother and I keep telling him this is not rational.)

A lot of my Democratic friends like Huntsman. Some even as much as they do Obama but we’re just a bunch of college leftists :D.

Donna Ballard Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:40:57pm

I really am going to go draw now. Later Lizards! Try to keep Laughing, will you?

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:41:11pm

re: #36 jaunte

Does the whole family go to jail, or just the females?

The family that aborts together plays sports together.

In the yard in maximum security.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:41:22pm

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

My father is still holding out hope for Huntsman. (He’s going to vote for Obama, he just wants Huntsman to win the nomination. For sanity’s sake. My mother and I keep telling him this is not rational.)

Huntsman is almost broke as it stands now. Meanwhile, Cain is making big money having his campaign buy his books using donations.

HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:42:02pm

re: #45 erik_t

Sure, but so did Perry, Bachmann, Trump… Cain’s at 14:58.

True that. We’re getting closer to Iowa by the day tho.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:42:14pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Will DF now show up to say this position makes sense because any woman who wants to have an abortion must be a democrat and why should the GOP do them any favors?

HELL NO! This position is far from any position I’ve ever held on abortion. I have always favored allowing abortion for rape, incest, and death/or serious injury to the mother. I’ve since expanded what I think should be allowed, not contracted it.

No, I do not agree with Herman Cain on this issue.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:42:15pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

A lot of my Democratic friends like Huntsman. Some even as much as they do Obama but we’re just a bunch of college leftists :D.

Well, now you can add one middle-aged small business owner with a crush on Rachel Maddow to your numbers.

avanti Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:43:15pm

re: #33 engineer dog

Romney Questions U.S. Withdrawal From Iraq

“President Obama’s astonishing failure to secure an orderly transition in Iraq…”

um, does anybody have any idea what the hell mitt is talking about here?

It’s Bush’s fault:

“Bush agreed to timeline for withdrawal from Iraq

Iraq and U.S. agree that all U.S. forces will withdraw “no later than December 31, 2011.” On November 17, 2008, US and Iraqi officials signed a Security Agreement, often referred to as a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), stating that “All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.” The agreement also called for all U.S. combat forces to withdraw from Iraqi cities “no later than June 30, 2009.” [U.S.-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement, 11/17/08]”

CarleeCork Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:43:32pm

re: #2 Simply Sarah

And don’t forget to tune in tomorrow, when Herman Cain will further clarify his view and will state that anyone attempting to get an abortion should be summarily executed!

Right after giving birth!

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:45:00pm

Next week Herman Cain will simply advocate that rape victims are raped again as punishment, if they attempt to get themselves an abortion

Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:46:18pm

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The living conditions are far from ideal, but to some of these workers the lure of doubling or tripling their salaries far outweighs the physical and mental toll it can take.

HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:46:29pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, now you can add one middle-aged small business owner with a crush on Rachel Maddow to your numbers.

Heh. I don’t know how to feel about Jon myself. I like that he’s not rigidly socially conservative, apparently realistic on foreign policy, but he will say stuff that rubs me the wrong way from time to time. He’s better than Ron Paul though.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:46:47pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Mitt Romney is still on track to be ‘last man standing’. His willingness to accept vaccine science has stood him in good stead, as he has seemingly been inoculated against the current bout of Foot-In-Mouth Disease afflicting the GOP primary field.

Romney is a radical on abortion too.

ROMNEY: People have had a chance to look at my record and look what I’ve said. I believe people understand that I’m firmly pro-life. I will support justices who believe in following the Constitution and not legislating from the bench. And I believe in the sanctity of life from the very beginning until the very end.

I mean, he’s lying when he talks about looking at his record, since he used to be in favor of federal funding for abortion. Now he is in favor of a personhood amendment.

The GOP is wildly radical on abortion. It’s one of the crueler places for them to go off the rails, but it fits their core demographic well.

wrenchwench Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:46:50pm

re: #57 WindUpBird

Next week Herman Cain will simply advocate that rape victims are raped again as punishment, if they attempt to get themselves an abortion

I believe that’s the policy in Oklahoma, South Dakota, Illinois, and a few other states.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:47:18pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for the upding, Kragar.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:47:49pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

A lot of my Democratic friends like Huntsman. Some even as much as they do Obama but we’re just a bunch of college leftists :D.

Do they know he wants a 0% tax on all unearned income? So, only earned income— only labor— gets taxed, capital gets an entirely free ride?

freetoken Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:48:18pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Petroleum prices (internationally, and indicated by Brent prices) have been around or over $100 for some time. This has led to increased drilling these past few years (contra to the GOP candidates’ claims), and that includes the more involved horizontal drilling needed in ND.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:48:26pm

Either that, or he’ll be calling for Cain as head of Romney’s Dept of Health and Human Services. 9_9

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Will DF now show up to say this position makes sense because any woman who wants to have an abortion must be a democrat and why should the GOP do them any favors?

HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:49:18pm

re: #63 Obdicut

Do they know he wants a 0% tax on all unearned income? So, only earned income— only labor— gets taxed, capital gets an entirely free ride?

I don’t think so. That’s why I don’t like Huntsman that much. In fact in some ways he drives me more crazy than the others since he’ll be like yeah I believe in global warming- but I also think we should abolish the EPA.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:49:40pm

re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist

Guys, you KNOW DF is an openly partisan Republican. Why does this news always seem to catch everyone off guard? He’s never hidden it, and he’s been here forever.

Because Dark, the person, seems like a nice guy, and the positions of the GOP are blatantly and cynically cruel.

And because Dark is anti-Confederate and knows the truth about AGW.

The GOP doesn’t actually like Dark’s positions on some very important things— but they definitely like his position of staunch support of them.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:53:56pm

When they put socon extremists on the ticket, you’ll vote for it, and like it.

/Bogie

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

HELL NO! This position is far from any position I’ve ever held on abortion. I have always favored allowing abortion for rape, incest, and death/or serious injury to the mother. I’ve since expanded what I think should be allowed, not contracted it.

No, I do not agree with Herman Cain on this issue.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:57:35pm

re: #65 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Eat downdings, troll.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:58:51pm

re: #64 freetoken

Petroleum prices (internationally, and indicated by Brent prices) have been around or over $100 for some time. This has led to increased drilling these past few years (contra to the GOP candidates’ claims), and that includes the more involved horizontal drilling needed in ND.

I know. I posted that for informational value.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 21, 2011 12:59:53pm

re: #57 WindUpBird

Next week Herman Cain will simply advocate that rape victims are raped again as punishment, if they attempt to get themselves an abortion

And why not? Now I don’t have the facts to back this up, but they obviously want it, and that is their choice, so they should have it even if I don’t agree with it. I’m not bashing them for their choice or anything like that but I was born this way.

Lol and DF and probably a whole lot of other cons think this person is in any position to be VP or Sec of Treas of the US. lmao

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 21, 2011 1:00:27pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

Eat downdings, troll.

Downding away, dupe.

erik_t Fri, Oct 21, 2011 1:01:14pm

Well, Cain actually anticipated this line of attack. It’s true that what he’s said so far is inane and makes no sense. He’s actually got a much more nuanced view on abortion, but he didn’t want to roll it out initially. He’ll let us know… sometime.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 21, 2011 1:02:46pm

re: #73 erik_t

Well, Cain actually anticipated this line of attack. It’s true that what he’s said so far is inane and makes no sense. He’s actually got a much more nuanced view on abortion, but he didn’t want to roll it out initially. He’ll let us know… sometime.

Yer on minute fourteen, tick-tock, Herb.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 21, 2011 1:11:14pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Mitt Romney is still on track to be ‘last man standing’. His willingness to accept vaccine science has stood him in good stead, as he has seemingly been inoculated against the current bout of Foot-In-Mouth Disease afflicting the GOP primary field.

Lol 2 hours ago you said you’d like Cain as his VP. Now he suffers from foot-in-mouth disease?

Romney is the best the GOP has got, and the only chance the country has for a somewhat normal 2012 race. Yet Republicans can’t stand him.

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chunkymonkey Fri, Oct 21, 2011 1:16:57pm

Cain’s position sucks. The entire crop of GOP candidates suck. Obama sucks. The congress sucks. Lawyers and politicians suck. This sucks.

While I normally dislike Warren Buffett’s political opinions, I’m am down with his new deficit control idea. The fact that congress would never enact such legislation shows just how badly congress sucks.

chunkymonkey Fri, Oct 21, 2011 1:22:15pm

re: #75 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Romney is the best the GOP has got, and the only chance the country has for a somewhat normal 2012 race. Yet Republicans can’t stand him.

They can’t stand him because he sucks. Deny if you dare.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Oct 21, 2011 1:23:56pm

re: #77 chunkymonkey

They can’t stand him because he sucks. Deny if you dare.

Whose denying it? Every candidate they’re fielding sucks.

chunkymonkey Fri, Oct 21, 2011 1:37:33pm

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Right, then comment #75 by OhCrap is pointless.

William of Orange Fri, Oct 21, 2011 1:42:12pm

Sometimes I stand behind a Republican talking point.

Big government sucks sometimes. Bye bye Cain. You’ve just lost moderate America with stance on abortion.

chunkymonkey Fri, Oct 21, 2011 1:47:39pm

re: #80 William of Orange

True, damn it.

neilk Fri, Oct 21, 2011 1:50:28pm

Another problem where Cain supports the ‘Chilean model’ solution.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 21, 2011 1:56:34pm

re: #76 chunkymonkey

Cain’s position sucks. The entire crop of GOP candidates suck. Obama sucks. The congress sucks. Lawyers and politicians suck. This sucks.

While I normally dislike Warren Buffett’s political opinions, I’m am down with his new deficit control idea. The fact that congress would never enact such legislation shows just how badly congress sucks.

Your post sucks.

re: #77 chunkymonkey

They can’t stand him because he sucks. Deny if you dare.

Same for that one.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 21, 2011 1:58:48pm

re: #79 chunkymonkey

Right, then comment #75 by OhCrap is pointless.

Then why not just skip over it?

sagehen Fri, Oct 21, 2011 2:00:11pm

re: #33 engineer dog

Romney Questions U.S. Withdrawal From Iraq

“President Obama’s astonishing failure to secure an orderly transition in Iraq…”

um, does anybody have any idea what the hell mitt is talking about here?

Obama announced today that the troops will be home for Christmas.

Mich-again Fri, Oct 21, 2011 2:47:31pm

I have a question or two for Christians who are politically opposed to abortion. Caution, if make these points to someone who is opposed to abortion based on their Christian faith, it will get them angry because they can’t answer them. I spell it out here. Religion, politics and the a-word. I am curious to hear what others think of this particular take on things.

sagehen Fri, Oct 21, 2011 2:53:49pm

I’m not a Christian, so I care nothing for what the gospels say on the topic.

But I’ll point out that in Exodus 21:22, where they’re listing crimes and punishments… if one were to assault a woman in such a way as to cause a miscarriage, the penalty is far less than would accrue for the death of a human being. The scripture is very, *very* clear that a fetus is not considered a person. Yet.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:22:17pm

Well, fwiw, depending on who I’m talking to, Im’ pro abortion, not just pro choice. So that’s where I’m coming from.

But your q. Reminds me of trying to get a straight answer out of Biblical literalists on that question of who Cain Mmarried when he got banned. Don’t ask unless yer prepared for splodey heads.

re: #86 Mich-again

I have a question or two for Christians who are politically opposed to abortion. Caution, if make these points to someone who is opposed to abortion based on their Christian faith, it will get them angry because they can’t answer them. I spell it out here. Religion, politics and the a-word. I am curious to hear what others think of this particular take on things.

Achilles Tang Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:24:24pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

OT: A look at life in a modern day Oil Boom Town:

Six-figure salaries, but homeless

WILLISTON, N.D. (CNNMoney) — They’re pulling in fat paychecks, but now they’re also homeless.

In the town of Williston, N.D., America’s newest oil boomtown, more than 6,000 job seekers have come from every corner of the country looking for work. Yet, oil companies and other developers haven’t been able to build housing units fast enough.

In the past year, only about 2,000 new housing units have been built, leaving many workers out in the cold.

With dozens of job seekers arriving by the day and fewer and fewer spots for them live in, people are taking some desperate measures.

Newer arrivals who can’t find vacant hotel rooms or apartments sleep in their cars or in sleeping bags on spare patches of grass along the highway. The luckier ones nab a spot in one of the dozens of dorm-like facilities, known as “man camps,” that the oil companies have built to house their workers.

The living conditions are far from ideal, but to some of these workers the lure of doubling or tripling their salaries far outweighs the physical and mental toll it can take.

RVs and the like are not that expensive at the low end. One has to wonder why high salaried people aren’t smart enough to buy one. They can always rent it later.

Achilles Tang Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:30:46pm

re: #86 Mich-again

I have a question or two for Christians who are politically opposed to abortion. Caution, if make these points to someone who is opposed to abortion based on their Christian faith, it will get them angry because they can’t answer them. I spell it out here. Religion, politics and the a-word. I am curious to hear what others think of this particular take on things.

First, I would like to know who did the plumbing in the link, and what it’s for?

Second, the question is indeed for Christians only. It is impossible for a non Christian to respond to what is after all, and always has been, the semantic theological interpretation of the day.

Mich-again Fri, Oct 21, 2011 5:23:22pm

re: #90 Naso Tang

Its a photo from a previous job. I’m guessing the tubing was installed by pipefitters from John E. Green or Hoyt, Brumm and Link in the early ‘80’s. All that tubing delivers different colors of paint to the paint robots and the Pathteacher is the person who teaches the robots how to dance.

labman57 Fri, Oct 21, 2011 9:13:23pm

Cain believes that people should have the right to choose … just so long as they make the same choices that he would make.

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