Anybody can have good writers. No on delivers the line better than Jon.

Seriously. Steven Segal could play him in a movie.

Well, it a good thing Gaddafi is dead. But the only Republicans you are likely to see truly pleased would be those who went to Tripoli earlier this month: John McCain (AZ), Lindsay Graham (SC), Mark Kirk (shout to the Senator from my state of Illinois), and Marco Rubio (FL). Three of these are either retired from the military or still serve as reservists, and they are glad because they always want America’s military to succeed. Rubio’s satisfaction likely stems from Gaddafi’s past support of Fidel Castro. As the son of Cuban exiles, Rubio has been a strong supporter of action in Libya, seeking not only to free one nation from a tyrant, but to put pressure on another.

But outside of those 4, you will not hear much cheering from congressional Republicans.

re: #2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seriously. Steven Segal could play him in a movie.

He’s busy.

re: #2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But Steven Segal delivers lines like he’s just had some sort of aneurysm.

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The ten minute window is gone? Me sad. Me can’t fix typo.

re: #5 Obdicut

But Steven Segal delivers lines like he’s just had some sort of aneurysm.

What’s yer point?

re: #2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seriously. Steven Segal could play him in a movie.

Nope, Segal just got hired to help defend the border as a sheriff’s deputy.

/I wish I was kidding. All I heard when I read that was “I’m ready for my close-up, Mr. Demille.”

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

Nope, Segal just got hired to help defend the border as a sheriff’s deputy.

/I wish I was kidding. All I heard when I read that was “I’m ready for my close-up, Mr. Demille.”

Yeah totally. Who was it that said all publicity is good publicity since here we are casting Seagal for next year’s oscar winning bio-epic, Mohmmaar: A Douchebag’s Life.

“Killing Gadhafi was dangerous because the next guy could be a crazy man who supports terrorists.”

I have to admit it was funny to see a Republican official give credit to the French. It was a good effort all around really. Qaddafi was a scumbag and now he’s he a dead one.

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It just occurred to me… found Saddam in a “spiderhole”, found Daffy in a “drainhole” and found OBL in a “shithole”.

Coincidence? You decide.

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“Killing Gadhafi was dangerous because the next guy could be a crazy man who supports terrorists.”

I guess John Bolton just thinks Lockerbie is a fine scotch. I mean even I heard of Lockerbie and I was a toddler when it happened. BTW has anyone seen the video circulating of a show “prophizing” Qaddafi’s death. Has him dying in July 2011 and St. Peter showing him his way to hell.

re: #12 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It just occurred to me… found Saddam in a “spiderhole”, found Daffy in a “drainhole” and found OBL in a “shithole”.

Coincidence? You decide.

What that assholes like holes? Are you telling me that we’re going to find Joseph Kody at a gloryhole?

re: #11 HappyWarrior

I have to admit it was funny to see a Republican official give credit to the French. It was a good effort all around really. Qaddafi was a scumbag and now he’s he a dead one.

Even Obama congratulated the Libyan people. That’s where the lion’s share (sorry Ohio) of the credit belongs.

re: #14 HappyWarrior

What that assholes like holes? Are you telling me that we’re going to find Joseph Kody at a gloryhole?

No, there was a GOP congressman in the way at that location.

re: #12 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It just occurred to me… found Saddam in a “spiderhole”, found Daffy in a “drainhole” and found OBL in a “shithole”.

Coincidence? You decide.

And assholes all.

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Yes!

idonotknowwhothatis

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, there was a GOP congressman in the way at that location.

It takes two to tanghole.

re: #4 wrenchwench

He’s busy.

He’s… uh… fat.

re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes!

idonotknowwhothatis

The LRA guy. Obama recently sent advisers to Uganda to help assist in destroying his org.

re: #21 HappyWarrior

The LRA guy. Obama recently sent advisers to Uganda to help assist in destroying his org.

Oh. One can’t know the names of all the assholes.

I saw earlier that the UN wants an investigation into Q’Daffy’s killing. Those rebels are in for a strongly worded letter.

re: #14 HappyWarrior

What that assholes like holes? Are you telling me that we’re going to find Joseph Kody at a gloryhole?

Kony.

And probably.

It’s hard to see the value of a time-filling talking head (Tantaros, Bolton) letting everyone in on the revelation that “we don’t know what these rebels are going to do…” When did TV talkers ever know what was going to happen? It’s clear they don’t want to find any positive (or even slightly less dire) development in the world while Obama is in office.

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I saw earlier that the UN wants an investigation into Q’Daffy’s killing. Those rebels are in for a strongly worded letter.

Not ever that, since France will veto the letter. :)

I see that PaleoPat’s latest article is a continuation of his America-is-doomed-by-brown-people rant… and the commenters over at Townhall are eating it up.

The racism isn’t even hiding in plain sight anymore… it’s not hiding at all.

re: #27 freetoken

I see that PaleoPat’s latest article is a continuation of his America-is-doomed-by-brown-people rant… and the commenters over at Townhall are eating it up.

The racism isn’t even hiding in plain sight anymore… it’s not hiding at all.

They gave up hiding it a long time ago.

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I saw earlier that the UN wants an investigation into Q’Daffy’s killing. Those rebels are in for a strongly worded letter.

rotfl

re: #27 freetoken

I see that PaleoPat’s latest article is a continuation of his America-is-doomed-by-brown-people rant… and the commenters over at Townhall are eating it up.

The racism isn’t even hiding in plain sight anymore… it’s not hiding at all.

Thank goodness MSNBC continues to give him a mouthpiece in the interest of being Fair and Balanced.

re: #25 jaunte

It’s hard to see the value of a time-filling talking head (Tantaros, Bolton) letting everyone in on the revelation that “we don’t know what these rebels are going to do…” When did TV talkers ever know what was going to happen? It’s clear they don’t want to find any positive (or even slightly less dire) development in the world while Obama is in office.

Proof of that mindset was shown when Obama got Bin Laden. It was like the idea of giving credit to Obama would result in what happened to Donovan in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade when he drank the wrong grail. And now I wish Seth MacFarlane were here to make an animation of the singer Donovan Leitch drinking from the wrong grail. Come on Seth, I know you’re out there :).

re: #27 freetoken

I see that PaleoPat’s latest article is a continuation of his America-is-doomed-by-brown-people rant… and the commenters over at Townhall are eating it up.

Yep, they’re conservatives.

Showing his plan’s inherent flexibility, Cain simply drops out one of the 9s.

As for the raising taxes on poorer Americans, Cain said those at or below the poverty line were never going to live with the 9-9-9 plan. All along, he said, the plan doesn’t include income taxes for poorest Americans.

“If you are at or below the poverty level, you’re plan isn’t 9-9-9,” Cain said. “It’s 9-0-9. Say Amen, y’all.”

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He’s… uh… fat.

Steven Seagal can’t see his own penis anymore. Someone needs to tell him real guns don’t just fly out of the hands of bad guys like the prop guns do in his movies.

re: #27 freetoken

I see that PaleoPat’s latest article is a continuation of his America-is-doomed-by-brown-people rant… and the commenters over at Townhall are eating it up.

The racism isn’t even hiding in plain sight anymore… it’s not hiding at all.

Shit. I was really hoping that Townhall would boot Buchanan for writing that piece of shit column. The place seems to have gone over the mill dam.

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Showing his plans inherent flexibility, Cain simply drops out one of the 9s.

Cain needs to call 9-1-1…his fifteen minutes of fame are lost and looking for another candidate.

re: #34 darthstar

Steven Seagal can’t see his own penis anymore.

Someone told him to diet. He said, “What color?”

re: #36 darthstar

Cain needs to call 9-1-1…his fifteen minutes of fame are lost and looking for another candidate.

He almost had me convinced, then he had to throw in that “Say Amen, y’all” and ruined it. The spell was broken.

re: #27 freetoken

I see that PaleoPat’s latest article is a continuation of his America-is-doomed-by-brown-people rant… and the commenters over at Townhall are eating it up.

The racism isn’t even hiding in plain sight anymore… it’s not hiding at all.

Is that title really: “Is America Disenigrating?”

WTF!

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Someone told him to diet. He said, “What color?”

I’m just glad he’s taking the whole “washed up has been” thing and making it as public as possible.

more Fun With Strawmen, volume MCMXLVIII

“Will you finally admit that your liberal-progressive pipe dream of free medical care for everyone is an economic disaster?”

“One needs to remember that for Democrats, intentions count more than outcomes.”

re: #34 darthstar

Steven Seagal can’t see his own penis anymore. Someone needs to tell him real guns don’t just fly out of the hands of bad guys like the prop guns do in his movies.

What movies? Machete was the first role he had in years in a movie that actually showed in a theater. And unlike Kurt Russell in Death Proof, he did not prove up to the task. Loser [gives Segal the ‘L’ sign].

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

Shit. I was really hoping that Townhall would boot Buchanan for writing that piece of shit column. The place seems to have gone over the mill dam.

Those ideas appeal to way too many conservatives. Why would they boot him?

re: #27 freetoken

The racism isn’t even hiding in plain sight anymore… it’s not hiding at all.

When was it ever?

Okay…I’m sorry, but take off your fucking glasses, stand up straight, and take your goddamn hand out of your pocket while you’re getting sworn in to uphold the law…and did you just pee on the wall back there? That looks fresh.

re: #45 darthstar

Oh my, that could not be more perfect.

I read the article. Pat claimed that white Americans even those who voted for Obama may find themselves in the back of the bus. Really? I expect this from Stormfront but not a guy who is given a large audience to spew his shit. Pat is obsessed with the idea he and our fellow White Americans are being persecuted. It’s like Glenn Beck reciting the Nimholler poem. It’s I’m the real victim, look at me!

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

What movies? Machete was the first role he had in years in a movie that actually showed in a theater. And unlike Kurt Russell in Death Proof, he did not prove up to the task. Loser [gives Segal the ‘L’ sign].

I see we agree on Seagal. Piece of shit nihilist wannabe Buddhist fancy boy.

I think the President has done well in the area of foreign policy, but I admit to feeling pretty uneasy about our imminent withdrawal from Iraq. I don’t want the void created by our departure to be filled by the Iranians. I also don’t want the remaining Americans who will stay in Iraq to be vulnerable to kidnapping by the likes of iran and it’s proxies. This is a big gamble by the President and I hope he is doing the right thing.

re: #39 Charles

Is that title really: “Is America Disenigrating?”

WTF!

He would have done much better using the actual word “denigrating”, which means to lower the status of an object by darkening it.

The wingnuts are oblivious to any facts we might cite about Obama. This is because the one fact that really enrages them is beyond dispute: He really is a black man.

The editor at the Townhall website is either making a little racist play on words, or being illiterate.

re: #45 darthstar

Okay…I’m sorry, but take off your fucking glasses, stand up straight, and take your goddamn hand out of your pocket while you’re getting sworn in to uphold the law…and did you just pee on the wall back there? That looks fresh.

Wait…Is that the Supreme Leader of North Korea?

re: #39 Charles

Is that title really: “Is America Disenigrating?”

WTF!

Disenigrate: Noun….no verb…wait…Let me check with The Oxford English Dictionary - Wasilla edition…nope…not a word. Though it could mean to denigrate others while disintegrating.

re: #49 _RememberTonyC

I think the President has done well in the area of foreign policy, but I admit to feeling pretty uneasy about our imminent withdrawal from Iraq. I don’t want the void created by our departure to be filled by the Iranians. I also don’t want the remaining Americans who will stay in Iraq to be vulnerable to kidnapping by the likes of iran and it’s proxies. This is a big gamble by the President and I hope he is doing the right thing.

Problem is, we just don’t belong there and never have. It’s a problem of our own making.

re: #49 _RememberTonyC

I find myself being somewhat less than worried about the Iraqis welcoming the Iranians with open arms.

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wait…Is that the Supreme Leader of North Korea?

Kim Jong Il could live inside Seagal’s shirt and nobody would notice.

re: #39 Charles

Is that title really: “Is America Disenigrating?”

WTF!

I looked that up at Answers.com, and after all the “did you mean…?” suggestions, the first answer is

Does dog poop disenigrate
This page is closed to edits. Unfollow. follow. [report abuse]. Can you answer
this question? Does dog poop disenigrate? Search …
wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_dog_poop_disenigrate

I tried to check out Townhall, but their minefield of bullshit flash popups for free books and other assorted crap was too dense for me to circumnavigate.

re: #56 erik_t

I find myself being somewhat less than worried about the Iraqis welcoming the Iranians with open arms.

Don’t be so sure about that. I think the Shia loyalties between Maliki and the Iranians run pretty deep.

bbl…meeting time.

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Pat is obsessed with the idea he and our fellow White Americans are being persecuted.

An idea dating back at least to Reconstruction. Pat represents a lot of white conservatives and their self-induced miseries..when all else fails, don’t take any of that “personal responsibility” they’re always preaching at everyone else, just blame the n*****s and the sp%cs.

*Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
*Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
*Authoritarian
*Secretive
*Paranoid
*Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their *tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
*Conventional appearance
*Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
*Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim’s life
*Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim’s affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
*Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
*Incapable of real human attachment to another
*Unable to feel remorse or guilt
*Extreme narcissism and grandiose
*May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
The above traits are either based on the psychopathy checklist used by psychologists, or the test they use to let  someone run for office in the GOP.
I wish I was being sarcastic.

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wait…Is that the Supreme Leader of North Korea?

Much too tall.

re: #55 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Problem is, we just don’t belong there and never have. It’s a problem of our own making.

Perhaps, but as long as ANY Americans are in the country, we ARE there. We have an embassy and also plenty of contractors who will work in Iraq after the withdrawal.

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Showing his plan’s inherent flexibility, Cain simply drops out one of the 9s.

losing the support of the 53%ers who are highly motivated by their resentment of people who don’t pay income tax

Cantor’s plan on addressing income inequality: stop demonizing the rich

Cantor’s speech quite literally has no policy proposals in it at all. In fact, the closest he comes to presenting an actual idea is a plea not to say mean things about rich people or ask them to pay their fair share in taxes:

There are politicians and others who want to demonize people that have earned success in certain sectors of our society. They claim that these people have now made enough, and haven’t paid their fair share. But, pitting Americans against one another tends to deflate the aspirational spirit of our people and fade the American dream.

Pitting Americans against one another tends to deflate the aspirational spirit of our people? This coming from a TP whore like Cantor is high comedy.

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

Much too tall.

Forced perspective.

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cantor’s plan on addressing income inequality: stop demonizing the rich

Pitting Americans against one another tends to deflate the aspirational spirit of our people? This coming from a TP whore like Cantor is high comedy.

Did Cantor tell the idiots on Fox News to stop mocking the poor? Really I am not against wealth. I have a bone to pick with those who act like a moderate increase on their income taxes is going to ruin them.That’s shit and bigger shit than “demonizing” the wealthy.

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I tried to check out Townhall, but their minefield of bullshit flash popups for free books and other assorted crap was too dense for me to circumnavigate.

FWIW, it’s a Townhall, er, error. Pat apparently used the spellcheck when he posted it to his site.

re: #49 _RememberTonyC

From what I understand, Iraqi Parliament is refusing to back off of the right to sue individual soldiers later once the status changes at the end of the year. They’re refusing to offer amnesty for soldiers, which, of course is absolutely necessary.

So? We say, “Fuck y’all very much.” and leave.

Even if Iraq implodes after we leave? Their fault. We were willing to hang out for a bit longer. Obviously, their politicians don’t want us there.

Smell ya later!

“There are politicians and others who want to demonize people that have earned success in certain sectors of our society. They claim that these people have now made enough, and haven’t paid their fair share. But, pitting Americans against one another tends to deflate the aspirational spirit of our people and fade the American dream”

“There are politicians and others who want to demonize people that work hard for low wages, or who have lost their job and haven’t been able to find another one in this economy. They claim that these people have only themselves to blame, and haven’t paid their fair share. But, pitting Americans against one another tends to deflate the aspirational spirit of our people and fade the American dream”

fyt, eric

re: #65 _RememberTonyC

Perhaps, but as long as ANY Americans are in the country, we ARE there. We have an embassy and also plenty of contractors who will work in Iraq after the withdrawal.

The contractors can go jump in the lake, afaic.

War’s over, what will they be needed for, except an excuse for their companies to go procure more government funds.

Lol I wish we could start calling “war” a “government program”. Maybe then the cons will think twice about what they are throwing everyone’s money at. :D

re: #39 Charles

Is that title really: “Is America Disenigrating?”

WTF!

Yeah, that was the original Townhall headline. It appears to have been a Townhall error, as PaleoPat on his own website spells it correctly.

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel

The wingnuts are oblivious to any facts we might cite about Obama. This is because the one fact that really enrages them is beyond dispute: He really is a black man.

fxd

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My concerns about the future of Iraq go far beyond ascribing blame for the collapse of a vaguely democratic and vaguely friendly government.

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

From what I understand, Iraqi Parliament is refusing to back off of the right to sue individual soldiers later once the status changes at the end of the year. They’re refusing to offer amnesty for soldiers, which, of course is absolutely necessary.

So? We say, “Fuck y’all very much.” and leave.

Even if Iraq implodes after we leave? Their fault. We were willing to hang out for a bit longer. Obviously, their politicians don’t want us there.

Smell ya later!

We’re leaving Iraq for the same reasons we haven’t joined the ICC, to protect our troops from legal action.

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

From what I understand, Iraqi Parliament is refusing to back off of the right to sue individual soldiers later once the status changes at the end of the year. They’re refusing to offer amnesty for soldiers, which, of course is absolutely necessary.

So? We say, “Fuck y’all very much.” and leave.

Even if Iraq implodes after we leave? Their fault. We were willing to hang out for a bit longer. Obviously, their politicians don’t want us there.

Smell ya later!

I hear you, but I would feel better about us leaving Iraq AFTER the mullahs in Iran are toppled. I have always felt our military presence on both sides of iran’s border (in iraq and Afghanistan) provided a certain deterrent against the mullahs and their ambitions. I guess we’ll see if Iraq can stand on it’s own as a democratic country.

re: #76 erik_t

That’s not my point. I’m not assigning blame (or did not intend to). We have to leave, or put our soldiers in not only harms way, but in the cross-hairs of Iraqi courts because of a fender-bender with a hum-vee.

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Well, it a good thing Gaddafi is dead. But the only Republicans you are likely to see truly pleased would be those who went to Tripoli earlier this month: John McCain (AZ), Lindsay Graham (SC), Mark Kirk (shout to the Senator from my state of Illinois), and Marco Rubio (FL). Three of these are either retired from the military or still serve as reservists, and they are glad because they always want America’s military to succeed. Rubio’s satisfaction likely stems from Gaddafi’s past support of Fidel Castro. As the son of Cuban exiles, Rubio has been a strong supporter of action in Libya, seeking not only to free one nation from a tyrant, but to put pressure on another.

But outside of those 4, you will not hear much cheering from congressional Republicans.

Remind me why you want to see Republican power increased, again?

Yikes! I wouldn’t have thought it possible but the Fever Swampers are getting worse in their deranged response to Daffy’s unseemly departure.

obama is as responsible for kadaffy’s cold blooded murder as the muslim radical that shot him after he tortured him. He was an evil man… but AMERICA was not at war with him… he was cooperating with the US after Bush made him an offer to either join us or be against us… and obama broke that agreement and is a murdering islamist himself.

Looks like burying him within 24 hours really isn’t that important with [bigoted word]s.
Exactly! That was made up BS to cover up for something.
I’m starting to think there wasn’t really a Bin Laden raid. They probably found out recently that Osama was dead, and staged a raid for a poll bump.

It’s also hard to believe that POTUS is celebrating a mafia-style execution of a 70 year old man by jihadists.

This is the bizarro world we live in.

Under Obama, Kadaffy, another dictator was killed in the streets like an animal. And we hear not a peep from the left on the inhumanity exhibited towards this helpless pitiful man as he faced his death.

Somehow I pray that this act of cold blooded murder does not come back to haunt America in the future.

I would feel better about this was retribution for blowing up PA103 or some Berlin disco.

And if he wasn’t made by Bush an ally of our’s in the WOT.

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Okay?

A soldier can’t be held civilly responsible for what happens in a battle. Now nothing stops the military from trying a bad actor.

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bailing on Iraq is IMHO the right thing to do because I don’t see that our continued presence there does good in any sort of proportion to the cost. That is why we should be leaving, not because we can point to a point of legal trivia as justification for washing our hands of the place.

re: #49 _RememberTonyC

I think the President has done well in the area of foreign policy, but I admit to feeling pretty uneasy about our imminent withdrawal from Iraq. I don’t want the void created by our departure to be filled by the Iranians. I also don’t want the remaining Americans who will stay in Iraq to be vulnerable to kidnapping by the likes of iran and it’s proxies. This is a big gamble by the President and I hope he is doing the right thing.

He was left with no choice. First of all this was a SOF agreement date made under the Bush admin. Secondly, the Iraqi government would not grant immunity from prosecution for our troops, leaving them vulnerable to being framed in any kind of incident.
What would you have him do? Keep our troops there against the wishes of the Iraqi government, with no legal protection?

re: #83 erik_t

I dig. If I understand the Parliament thing correctly, it is part of the reason.

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That’s not my point. I’m not assigning blame (or did not intend to). We have to leave, or put our soldiers in not only harms way, but in the cross-hairs of Iraqi courts because of a fender-bender with a hum-vee.

Interesting points - haven’t thought of it that way.

re: #84 blueraven

What br said.

re: #73 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The contractors can go jump in the lake, afaic.

War’s over, what will they be needed for, except an excuse for their companies to go procure more government funds.

Lol I wish we could start calling “war” a “government program”. Maybe then the cons will think twice about what they are throwing everyone’s money at. :D

That is pretty harsh. The individual Americans may be doing valuable tasks to HELP the Iraqis build their society. Just because they and their companies make money for their efforts does not mean they aren’t mostly good people. I would hate to see another Nick Berg situation.

re: #80 Coracle

Remind me why you want to see Republican power increased, again?

Awesome question. He won’t answer, but good call.

re: #80 Coracle

Remind me why you want to see Republican power increased, again?

McCain just lost out on getting Qaddafi those C-130s he promised him just over a year or so ago.

re: #88 _RememberTonyC

That is pretty harsh. The individual Americans may be doing valuable tasks to HELP the Iraqis build their society. Just because they and their companies make money for their efforts does not mean they aren’t mostly good people. I would hate to see another Nick Berg situation.

I wish them all the best, but my level of daily concern drops quite a bit when nobody’s being ordered anywhere.

re: #88 _RememberTonyC

That is pretty harsh. The individual Americans may be doing valuable tasks to HELP the Iraqis build their society. Just because they and their companies make money for their efforts does not mean they aren’t mostly good people. I would hate to see another Nick Berg situation.

It’s another form of war profiteering.

re: #73 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The contractors can go jump in the lake, afaic.

War’s over, what will they be needed for, except an excuse for their companies to go procure more government funds.

Lol I wish we could start calling “war” a “government program”. Maybe then the cons will think twice about what they are throwing everyone’s money at. :D

I was in Iraq in 2006 to help in re-building the petroleum production infrastructure; specifically conducting surveys for repair and upgrading of the pipeline network.

re: #88 _RememberTonyC

That is pretty harsh. The individual Americans may be doing valuable tasks to HELP the Iraqis build their society. Just because they and their companies make money for their efforts does not mean they aren’t mostly good people. I would hate to see another Nick Berg situation.

And they are not granted immunity either, so the US will not be able to protect them.

re: #80 Coracle

Remind me why you want to see Republican power increased, again?

You’re talking to someone who actually admits their party is less than sane, but goes along with their racially bigoted bullshit anyway.

Which is also why I don’t want Arab immigration right now. I want the memory of Bush the Younger to recede a bit more and give the GOP time to get a bit more sane.

You’re talking to a Stockholm syndrome.

re: #84 blueraven

He was left with no choice. First of all this was a SOF agreement date made under the Bush admin. Secondly, the Iraqi government would not grant immunity from prosecution for our troops, leaving them vulnerable to being framed in any kind of incident.
What would you have him do? Keep our troops there against the wishes of the Iraqi government, with no legal protection?

I’m just a humble civilian, so I don’t claim to have all the answers. But we do know the President has wanted out of Iraq since well before he was elected. He began today’s statement on the withdrawal with something along the lines of “as I promised in my campaign,” which some might take the wrong way. Maybe he really did have no choice, but maybe he made his mind up a long time ago. Hopefully things work out OK. I want the country to succeed.

re: #92 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

FOAD

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

FOAD

Might be good to go get some air. Go take a walk around the neighborhood and see if you think it’s something worth trying to save and improve, together, as a country.

re: #96 _RememberTonyC

Actually, the story that I’ve related here is how the Right will defend and say, “He had to do it! So he can’t claim credit for it!”.

I don’t care. Glad we’re gonna be out.

re: #92 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It’s another form of war profiteering.

KBR, Halliburton, etc. have their own private armies (Blackwater/Xe, etc.)…but they’ll have to pay more for those services as the state department announced today that only people hired DIRECTLY by the State Department will be granted diplomatic immunity…that does not inherit down to contractors hired by contractors.

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

C’mon, now. That was wrong.

Oops! Back to work!

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Actually, the story that I’ve related here is how the Right will defend and say, “He had to do it! So he can’t claim credit for it!”.

I don’t care. Glad we’re gonna be out.

The market certainly seems to approve of the news. No wonder the GOP talking heads are pissed.

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

FOAD

Go snivel into a voting booth and pull the lever for Perry + Cain.

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Actually, the story that I’ve related here is how the Right will defend and say, “He had to do it! So he can’t claim credit for it!”.

I don’t care. Glad we’re gonna be out.

Yep…and next year, when Mitt or Michele or the drive thru guy at Taco Bell who joined the Republican primary on October 31 is complaining about Obama’s foreign policy, Obama can simply say, “We’re out of Iraq. You’d rather more Americans died there?”

re: #82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay?

A soldier can’t be held civilly responsible for what happens in a battle. Now nothing stops the military from trying a bad actor.

No, our troops can’t be tried by a foreign nation. They can still be accused by a foreign nation for our own leadership to investigate, try and convict in US courts.

re: #105 darthstar

Yep…and next year, when Mitt or Michele or the drive thru guy at Taco Bell who joined the Republican primary on October 31 is complaining about Obama’s foreign policy, Obama can simply say, “We’re out of Iraq. You’d rather more Americans died there?”

You misspelled ‘Osama is dead, next question.’

re: #104 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Go snivel into a voting booth and pull the lever for Perry + Cain.

rimshot! Bam!

re: #96 _RememberTonyC

I’m just a humble civilian, so I don’t claim to have all the answers. But we do know the President has wanted out of Iraq since well before he was elected. He began today’s statement on the withdrawal with something along the lines of “as I promised in my campaign,” which some might take the wrong way. Maybe he really did have no choice, but maybe he made his mind up a long time ago. Hopefully things work out OK. I want the country to succeed.

What do you not understand about the Iraqi Parliament voted on this?
The President was willing to leave a small contingent…a few thousand as allowed in the SOF. But he would not allow that without legal protection for those troops.

Yes, he was against this war from the beginning and promised to get us out. About time I say. I want Iraq to succeed as well, but they have to do it on their own now.

You want us to wait for the mullahs in Iran to be overthrown first? Talk about moving the goalpost!

Paleopat is an open antisemite (who sometimes pretends to be pro-Jewish). The racism has been in the open for a long time now.

re: #82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay?

A soldier can’t be held civilly responsible for what happens in a battle. Now nothing stops the military from trying a bad actor.

We’re back to Steven Seagal?

re: #100 darthstar

KBR, Halliburton, etc. have their own private armies (Blackwater/Xe, etc.)…but they’ll have to pay more for those services as the state department announced today that only people hired DIRECTLY by the State Department will be granted diplomatic immunity…that does not inherit down to contractors hired by contractors.

Double-subs. Well, that only makes sense.

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

You’re talking to someone who actually admits their party is less than sane, but goes along with their racially bigoted bullshit anyway.

You’re talking to a Stockholm syndrome.

That’s irrational. I know folks like DF aren’t stupid.

Right, DF?

What Republican policies do you actually favor that are worth the shutting down of every single democratic initiative on the off chance one of them might improve the country?

re: #88 _RememberTonyC

That is pretty harsh. The individual Americans may be doing valuable tasks to HELP the Iraqis build their society. Just because they and their companies make money for their efforts does not mean they aren’t mostly good people. I would hate to see another Nick Berg situation.

Why are we paying (overpaying, apparently) for infrastructure in Iraq when it is anathema to the gop to do so in the US?

Prediction: when the gop comes back into power, they’ll realize that our infrastructure is outdated…and then blame Obama for it.

re: #101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

C’mon, now. That was wrong.

Yes, but her constant insults got to me.

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but her constant insults got to me.

Well, she’s right…you do have a poopy face.
/

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

FOAD

C’mon, man. You should always stop at FO, really.

re: #117 Sergey Romanov

C’mon, man. You should always stop at FO, really.

Or maybe try FOAL…FO and live!

re: #116 darthstar

Well, she’s right…you do have a poopy face.
/

SMACK!

re: #118 darthstar

Or maybe try FOAL…FO and live!

Is that the equine version of having a cow?

re: #118 darthstar

Or maybe try FOAL…FO and live!

No harm, no FOAL.

re: #113 Coracle

That’s irrational. I know folks like DF aren’t stupid.

Right, DF?

What Republican policies do you actually favor that are worth the shutting down of every single democratic initiative on the off chance one of them might improve the country?

That’s the issue, though. It doesn’t matter if any of them improve the country. It literally does not matter if Republican policies improve or hurt the country. He believes and hopes they improve the country, but doesn’t have any factual reason for believing that.

What matters, though, is that they hurt Democrats. Or people who might vote Democrat. That’s what’s really important.

DF believes that politics is like sports. You should cheer for your team no matter how bad they are. No matter how much they suck, no matter how much they don’t care about their fans. They’re your team. Similarly, you must hate the other team. And especially their supporters. A cordial sort of hate, in his case - you know, the sort of hate where you can sit together, have some beers, and razz the other guy when his team gets scored on. Where you can mock him good naturedly when he suffers along with his team, or, in the case of politics, loses his job or health care. You know, that sort of collegial hate.

re: #118 darthstar

Or maybe try FOAL…FO and live!

Well, she does look like a horse, but still…

/kidding

Aw…Condi lost her biggest fan.

BBL

re: #124 darthstar

Aw…Condi lost her biggest fan.

Ah, they’re so young and happy on that photo… ///

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but her constant insults got to me.

Please stop snivelling. The comment you had a(nother) frickin’ cow over had nothing to do with you.

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

Well, she does look like a horse, but still…

/kidding

Never, ever joke about a woman’s appearance. Even Helen Thomas. That’s a sure-fire way to a long term relationship with nothing more than Sally Hand and her five sisters.

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

Well, she does look like a horse, but still…

/kidding

How old are you?

Okay…speaking of equines, it’s time for me to make like horse shit and hit the trail.

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but her constant insults got to me.

Did she call you a war profiteer? If not, why tell her to fuck off?

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but her constant insults got to me.

Dude. Let me get this straight. Someone hurt your feelings, so you hurt them back even more?

re: #128 darthstar

Never, ever joke about a woman’s appearance. Even Helen Thomas. That’s a sure-fire way to a long term relationship with nothing more than Sally Hand and her five sisters.

He’s just got his panties in a pinch because no one, including me, is letting that pavlovian conservative act slide today.

re: #124 darthstar

Aw…Condi lost her biggest fan.

Poor Condi. At least he didn’t text her his junk though. I wonder if any of the crazies out there have crushes on Hilliary?

re: #124 darthstar

Aw…Condi lost her biggest fan.

That reminds me, her first memoir about her parents is out in paper - I think this week, or last week. Have to get that.

re: #134 HappyWarrior

Poor Condi. At least he didn’t text her his junk though. I wonder if any of the crazies out there have crushes on Hilliary?

A friend of a friend of mine who worked for the Bush administration swears to god that Condoleeza Rice smells fantastic, like, hypnotically so, and that theories range from it being totally natural to a hand-crafted scent by one of the best perfumists in the world to the CIA fucking around with pheromones.

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but her constant insults got to me.

The psychology of this and your “I’m against unions that don’t vote Republican” is just staggering. It’s not constructive nor thoughtful in any way, it’s entirely reactionary and makes no sense to anyone who is even slightly more emotionally detached from issues than you.

I learned a couple of nights ago that insinuations of war profiteering by the GOP causes a visceral response from DF.

re: #113 Coracle

That’s irrational. I know folks like DF aren’t stupid.

Intelligence isn’t the problem, he’s ethically compromised and embraces the lie. He is a person of the lie. Developing a reputation for honesty here ironically enough allows him to come out in favor of outlandishly dishonest positions, such as justifying the lies told to Pat Tillman’s parents, saying he would have lied to them too. Today’s just been an uncommonly illuminating day.

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but her constant insults got to me.

Another lie. You responded to a comment that didn’t mention you or reference you at all.

re: #134 HappyWarrior

Poor Condi. At least he didn’t text her his junk though. I wonder if any of the crazies out there have crushes on Hilliary?

The whole scrapbook thing was just….eew.

re: #122 Renaissance_Man

I can see that, I guess. It boggles the mind that that might be even close to the truth of it. It kinda pisses me of when people with intellects refuse to fucking use them.

Frankly it doesn’t matter if one thinks that way about either political party, that kind of mentality is not how you bring a country together. Even rabid sports team partisans don’t want to see a lockout kill the season - or the league.

re: #140 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The whole scrapbook thing was just…eew.

Yeah like a stalker ex boyfriend. The funniest part for me was “Black Flower at the White House” since I am imaging Qadaffi guitar and all appearing on the WH lawn playing that song.

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I saw earlier that the UN wants an investigation into Q’Daffy’s killing. Those rebels are in for a strongly worded letter.

AKAIK They can bury that letter with Q’Daffy under his butt cheek.

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Yeah like a stalker ex boyfriend. The funniest part for me was “Black Flower at the White House” since I am imaging Qadaffi guitar on his back and all appearing on the WH lawn playing that song.

Doing the Quadaffi Kumbaya. Creepy.

re: #141 Coracle

I can see that, I guess. It boggles the mind that that might be even close to the truth of it. It kinda pisses me of when people with intellects refuse to fucking use them.

Frankly it doesn’t matter if one thinks that way about either political party, that kind of mentality is not how you bring a country together. Even rabid sports team partisans don’t want to see a lockout kill the season - or the league.

His comments today are especially illuminating. And disappointing.

hey has anyone heard anything reliable on this Judge pension mortgage securities conflict of interest thing? I really hate to link some odd blog I have no real knowledge of. So far nothing in the MSM about it.

I’ll just link the google page I searched a bit.

re: #141 Coracle

I can see that, I guess. It boggles the mind that that might be even close to the truth of it. It kinda pisses me of when people with intellects refuse to fucking use them.

Generally, it’s people who have never been challenged to use them and/or expect everything to be handed to them. Very entitled mentality.

Frankly it doesn’t matter if one thinks that way about either political party, that kind of mentality is not how you bring a country together. Even rabid sports team partisans don’t want to see a lockout kill the season - or the league.

This is a somewhat obscure reference, but the GOP/RNC/modern conservatives remind me of the end of an old Dorothy Dandridge movie called Tamango (1957), which is about a mutiny aboard a slave ship.

The solution the captain chooses to end the mutiny is, well, not terribly bright. The Republican Party’s behavior, both politicians and constituents, remind me of him.

Off-topic, but Dark_Falcon currently has 9 of the 10 bottom comments, all from today.

Well, at least D_F isn’t afraid to speak his mind…

re: #144 allegro

Doing the Quadaffi Kumbaya. Creepy.

“Oh Condi, I want to be your wait what rhymes with Condi? Help me out here guys.”

re: #148 Spocomptonite

Off-topic, but Dark_Falcon currently has 9 of the 10 bottom comments, all from today.

Well, at least D_F isn’t afraid to speak his mind…

Spacejesus will comfort him.

re: #148 Spocomptonite

Off-topic, but Dark_Falcon currently has 9 of the 10 bottom comments, all from today.

Well, at least D_F isn’t afraid to speak his mind…

That makes a bunch of us, really. It’s one reason he is so resentful of my posts, today.

re: #149 HappyWarrior

“Oh Condi, I want to be your wait what rhymes with Condi? Help me out here guys.”

blondie?

Viking World Cruises

i turns out that raping and pillaging are not included

huh

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel

Yikes! I wouldn’t have thought it possible but the Fever Swampers are getting worse in their deranged response to Daffy’s unseemly departure.

Jesus H.

They’re insane.

Well, it’s not just that they’re insane. They’re insane hypocrites.

re: #55 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Problem is, we just don’t belong there and never have. It’s a problem of our own making.

Obviously we both wish the invasion had not happened. But once it had, would you say we should have just bailed out after Saddam was handed over and left them to their own devices?

re: #155 Rightwingconspirator

Obviously we both wish the invasion had not happened. But once it had, would you say we should have just bailed out after Saddam was handed over and left them to their own devices?

No, what should have happened is line them up out in the desert according to belief system, strip them of their weapons and then teach them to line dance to the sounds of Shania Twain.

OMG Jon’s so funny! I’m just watching the feed and the dic-tip is funny as hell! And his face when he sees what it says is precious!

I was against the war from the outset, so leaving under that circumstance would have been fine by me.

Although, it’s hard to say for sure, since I’ve spent the past eight years trying to get a sense of what the goal of ever being there supposedly was.

I still don’t have a sense of that. :/

re: #155 Rightwingconspirator

Obviously we both wish the invasion had not happened. But once it had, would you say we should have just bailed out after Saddam was handed over and left them to their own devices?

re: #158 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh! You mean the goal wasn’t about getting Saddam for the role he played in 9-11?
:)

re: #158 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I was against the war from the outset, so leaving under that circumstance would have been fine by me.

Although, it’s hard to say for sure, since I’ve spent the past eight years trying to get a sense of what the goal of ever being there supposedly was.

I still don’t have a sense of that. :/

I agreed that we had a responsibility to not just abandon them to their own civil war. Which may have been worse, or may have been less destructive. Now they can elect as they please. We hear the point that abandoning Afghanistan after the Soviets left is what got us Al Qaeda camps there and the vicious Taliban.

re: #160 Rightwingconspirator

I agreed that we had a responsibility to not just abandon them to their own civil war. Which may have been worse, or may have been less destructive. Now they can elect as they please. We hear the point that abandoning Afghanistan after the Soviets left is what got us Al Qaeda camps there and the vicious Taliban.

Yeah, the other part of that was us playing proxy war with the Soviets v-v Afghanistan, and arming the mujahideen. Dumb idea.

Not to mention what we did regarding Saddam Hussein in the Iraq-Iran war. Another dumb idea.

And after he was no longer our bastard, when he went and invaded Kuwait. Stupid, stupid ideas, all around.

I do (and did at the time) see the point about trying to keep some semblance of holding things together so it doesn’t end up creating a civil conflict, but that was one of many reasons I was against it from the outset; I didn’t want us over there f’ing shit up that was already f’ed up to begin with, like the Sunni/Shia/Kurd situation.

That, and conservatives for the war could never come up with a rational reason, except that they either wanted to feel revenge against Arabs/Muslims or they just wanted to use up some weapons somebody spent all that money on. e_e

All dumb ideas, in my view, but that is a minority view I am fine with. It is funny, though, to see Republicans making similar noise these days, though. Odd.

re: #161 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Smash and bail is a cheap military policy. Sticking around to try to improve the place is always the harder part.

re: #162 Rightwingconspirator

Smash and bail is a cheap military policy. Sticking around to try to improve the place is always the harder part.

This is true. The question is, they had made that infamous statement, we don’t do nation-building. Fine, but then what.

I guess it may never be completely settled.