Santorum Booed in New Hampshire for Same Anti-Gay Argument That Got Him in Google Trouble

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At a town hall meeting in New Hampshire today, the audience booed Rick Santorum when he answered a question about gay marriage by comparing it to polygamy.

A college-age audience member at a town hall meeting in Concord asked Santorum “how you justify your belief based on these morals you have about all men being created equal when two men who want to marry the person that they love —”

Santorum cut her off and said “What about three men?”

“It’s important that if we’re going to have a discussion based on rational thought, that we employ reason. Reason says that if you think it’s ok for two, you have to differentiate with me why it’s not OK for three. Let’s just have a discussion about what that means. If she reflects the values that marriage can be for anybody or any group of people, as many as is necessary, any two people or any three or four, marriage really means whatever you want it to mean.”

This is the exact same absurd, offensive argument that got Santorum into so much Google trouble a few years ago. It obviously plays well in Iowa, but now that he’s outside the fundamentalist bubble, people see his argument for what it is: backward fear-mongering based on religious fanaticism.

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345 comments
1 darthstar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:16:55pm

Three men and a baby was a documentary?

2 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:18:48pm
“It’s important that if we’re going to have a discussion based on rational thought, that we employ reason."

No need for you to worry about that, Rick. No need at all.

3 darthstar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:20:06pm

re: #2 Slumbering Behemoth

No need for you to worry about that, Rick. No need at all.

It's too bad...if he could have held back on the crazy talk for a couple of weeks, he might have done some damage to Mitt Romney. Now he's going to go back to the bottom of the heap with the other not-Romneys.

4 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:21:23pm

This is such a dumb, childish argument, but people like Santorum really think it's a winner.

5 Kid A  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:21:37pm

Take off that sweater vest, Rick. It makes you look really gay.
//

6 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:22:16pm

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7 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:22:54pm

As long as three men pay taxes and stay out of jail, don't have sex with anyone or creature other then themselves, WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT MATTER.

8 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:23:10pm

A relic from an age that never truly existed. So-Cons of this stripe will be going the way of the dodo soon. Not soon enough for my taste, but soon.

9 Jack Burton  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:23:30pm

re: #5 Kid A

Take off that sweater vest, Rick. It makes you look really gay.
//

RS: Does this sweater make me look gay?
Me: You look like you might have seen one up close.

10 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:25:53pm

re: #8 Slumbering Behemoth

A relic from an age that never truly existed. So-Cons of this stripe will be going the way of the dodo soon. Not soon enough for my taste, but soon.

And that's not to be taken as a threat of violence or persecution. It's just that the younger generation is no longer in thrall to this kind of superstitious nonsense. They're too smart for that.

11 darthstar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:26:00pm

Santorum needs to do some retail therapy with Marcus Bachmann.

12 Archangelus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:26:04pm

The one truly good thing about Iowa caucuses: It gets the loonies to feel secure about themselves and their beliefs, and makes them more likely to blunder and air things out into the world that they would otherwise be trying to minimize or keep to themselves to avoid mayhem. What worked in relatively close quarters with similarly-minded individuals isn't the case in the rest of the places...

13 Kid A  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:26:27pm
"...marriage really means whatever you want it to mean.”

No, sweater vest, marriage means what fundamental wackos like YOU want it to mean. I'd appreciate you knowing the difference.

14 jaunte  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:26:36pm

The California Supreme Court had this to say about the 'slippery slope to polygamy' argument:

We emphasize that our conclusion that the constitutional right to marry properly must be interpreted to apply to gay individuals and gay couples does not mean that this constitutional right similarly must be understood to extend to polygamous or incestuous relationships. Past judicial decisions explain why our nation's culture has considered the latter types of relationships inimical to the mutually supportive and healthy family relationships promoted by the constitutional right to marry.

(See, e.g., Reynolds v. United States (1878) 98 U.S. 145, 165-166; Davis v. Beason (1890) 133 U.S. 333, 341; People v. Scott (2007) 157 Cal.App.4th 189, 192-194; State v. Freeman (Ohio Ct.App. 2003) 801 N.E.2d 906, 909; Smith v. State (Tenn.Crim.App. 1999) 6 S.W.3d 512, 518-520.)

Although the historic disparagement of and discrimination against gay individuals and gay couples clearly is no longer constitutionally permissible, the state continues to have a strong and adequate justification for refusing to officially sanction polygamous or incestuous relationships because of their potentially detrimental effect on a sound family environment.

(Accord, e.g., Potter v. Murray City (C.D. Utah 1984) 585 F.Supp. 1126, 1137-1140, affd. (10th Cir. 1985) 760 F.2d 1065, 1068-1071, cert. den. (1985) 474 U.S. 849; People v. Scott, supra, 157 Cal.App.4th 189, 193-194.)

15 allegro  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:28:02pm

What I find endlessly amusing is that their biblical heroes had a bunch 'o wives and a whole bunch of concubines as well. Where's the "historical" one man-one woman thingie they feel is so essential to the continuation of goodliness? Won't find it in their book.

So, 'k, Rick let's talk about this with rational thought and employ reason. Rick? Where are you? Hey, Rick!

16 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:29:21pm

re: #15 allegro

What I find endlessly amusing is that their biblical heroes had a bunch 'o wives and a whole bunch of concubines as well. Where's the "historical" one man-one woman thingie they feel is so essential to the continuation of goodliness? Won't find it in their book.

So, 'k, Rick let's talk about this with rational thought and employ reason. Rick? Where are you? Hey, Rick!

2nd wives, concubines and slaves were non-people.

they didn't count, just like rent boys, mistresses and prostitutes today.

don't you know anything?

/

17 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:29:51pm

Here's a question for Rick:

Why are you trying to ban the same procedure that saved your own wife's life?

18 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:30:07pm

How does one become such a wretched putrid creature thinking so negatively about a group of people every single day of ones life?

19 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:31:01pm

Since I have no intention of ever getting married, you could say my 'marriage' comes "pre-ruined". Does that mean I can pick a gay couple to give my 'hetero marriage' to since I'm not using it?

20 jaunte  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:31:26pm
"Reason says that if you think it’s ok for two, you have to differentiate with me why it’s not OK for three. Let’s just have a discussion about what that means."

Don't look for him to sit still and listen to a reasoned explanation of why gay marriage is different from polygamy. He doesn't care what the reasons are.

21 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:31:40pm

re: #18 Gus 802

How does one become such a wretched putrid creature thinking so negatively about a group of people every single day of ones life?

“Beware the man of one book.”
― Thomas Aquinas

22 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:32:09pm

re: #19 Slumbering Behemoth

Since I have no intention of ever getting married, you could say my 'marriage' comes "pre-ruined". Does that mean I can pick a gay couple to give my 'hetero marriage' to since I'm not using it?

Sure, I'm happy to give my uterus to someone who needs it as well. They can take my ovaries too!

23 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:33:27pm

re: #18 Gus 802

How does one become such a wretched putrid creature thinking so negatively about a group of people every single day of ones life?

I have an answer for that, but certain demographics won't like it.

24 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:33:41pm

re: #20 jaunte

Don't look for him to sit still and listen to a reasoned explanation of why gay marriage is different from polygamy. He doesn't care what the reasons are.

Ellen Degeneres did a good skit about the bestiality argument. She mimicked taking Billy the Goat home to meet the parents. It was hilarious.

25 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:34:18pm

I took a debate class in 9th grade. I'm reasonably sure that my fellow 14 year olds were held to a higher standard than having our entire premise amount to a strawman snowboarding down a slippery slope.

26 allegro  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:34:20pm

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here's a question for Rick:

Why are you trying to ban the same procedure that saved your own wife's life?

May many good dings come your way with this. I had the same issue with Queen Sarah as she talked about her "choice" to have Trig and Bristol's "choice" to continue with her pregnancy. They do seem to have a big problem with "what's good for me, I want to see illegal for you."

27 Archangelus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:34:44pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“Beware the man of one book.”
― Thomas Aquinas

Not applicable in this instance IMO - here before us is not a man of the book, rather a man who has assured and convinced himself that his personal "ideals" are what the book represents...

28 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:35:48pm
29 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:36:07pm

re: #14 jaunte

....
"Past judicial decisions explain why our nation's culture has considered the latter types of relationships inimical to the mutually supportive and healthy family relationships promoted by the constitutional right to marry."

I think that's a bit of a cop out. If 3 adults want to form their own 3 person married band I don't see where it should be up to the rest of society to tell them they can't. There is a decent reason for not allowing incestuous relationships/marriages but I can't come up with one for polygamy.

30 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:36:17pm

He's pathetic.

31 Sionainn  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:37:27pm
And this is the fundamental issue in this campaign is whether government is going to be big and obtrusive and telling people how to manage their — their lives or — and are they going to support the basic values of faith and family that allow government to be limited and allow our economy to be strong.

snip

It looks like Santorum maybe even realized how stupid this sounds in light of all the things he'd like government to ban, but couldn't take it back as it was coming out of his mouth. What a dope.

32 jaunte  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:37:48pm

re: #29 RogueOne

There's a track record in human history of polygamy being ok for men, but abusive for women and children.

33 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:38:34pm

re: #27 Archangelus

Not applicable in this instance IMO - here before us is not a man of the book, rather a man who has assured and convinced himself that his personal "ideals" are what the book represents...

Its the current interpretation for the Religious Right.

34 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:38:45pm

re: #26 allegro

May many good dings come your way with this. I had the same issue with Queen Sarah as she talked about her "choice" to have Trig and Bristol's "choice" to continue with her pregnancy. They do seem to have a big problem with "what's good for me, I want to see illegal for you."

Choices are for some animals, but not for others.

35 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:38:48pm

re: #29 RogueOne

A martial union of three or more causes far too many complications regarding inheritance and end of life or medical care decisions.

36 Sionainn  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:38:48pm

re: #29 RogueOne

I think that's a bit of a cop out. If 3 adults want to form their own 3 person married band I don't see where it should be up to the rest of society to tell them they can't. There is a decent reason for not allowing incestuous relationships/marriages but I can't come up with one for polygamy.

The only thing I can think of would be the legal mess when such marriages broke up and how to split money, deal with child custody issues, etc.

37 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:39:03pm

Big government is okay when it's telling committed gay couples they can't marry but it's bad when the government is being used to help people out.

38 nines09  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:39:28pm

I guess Rick not only swam in the shallow end of the gene pool, he repeatedly hit his head on the bottom.

39 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:39:58pm

re: #4 Charles

This is such a dumb, childish argument, but people like Santorum really think it's a winner.

Just wait, the next stop on the train will be here soon, when we'll be told that legalizing gay marriage not only means we have to legalize polygamy, but also letting people marry animals, marry close family, etc, etc. That train's never late.

40 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:40:43pm

re: #32 jaunte

There's a track record in human history of polygamy being ok for men, but abusive for women and children.

I think if I were to see cults with one wife and multiple husbands I'd be less inclined to dislike polygamy.

3 people doesn't bother me so much --but one would probably end-up being the slave to the stronger two.

41 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:40:49pm
Reason says that if you think it’s ok for two, you have to differentiate with me why it’s not OK for three.

How come this only becomes an issue once gay marriage is on the table? In "traditional" (heterosexual) polygamous marriages the sister wives aren't married to each other, that's why they're called sister wives.

Expanding the legal definition of marriage to mean the official exclusive joining of two people who love each other in no way requres an argument against marriages of greater than two people, at least in any way that heterosexual marriage doesn't itself already necessitate. Exclusive remains exclusive, regardless of the genders of the two participants.

42 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:41:29pm

too crazy for me....these people are simply obsessed with control, and there is not much more to be said about it...first it's marriage, then it's dating, then it's all relationships....it's actually insane

43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:41:37pm

re: #39 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Just wait, the next stop on the train will be here soon, when we'll be told that legalizing gay marriage not only means we have to legalize polygamy, but also letting people marry animals, marry close family, etc, etc. That train's never late.

Don't forget adults marrying minors. I often hear that one from my talibangelical relatives.

44 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:42:45pm

re: #42 albusteve

too crazy for me...these people are simply obsessed with control, and there is not much more to be said about it...first it's marriage, then it's dating, then it's all relationships...it's actually insane

control and power, because they don't want anyone having more power than them or control over them.

it's a zero-sum game = power, either I have it all or I have none.

45 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:43:05pm

You hear people like Santorum say gay marriage ruins traditional marriage. Marriage is an evolving institution. Marrying for actual love is a relatively new innovation. Hell in some parts of the world, marriages are still based on family economics rather than real, genuine love which is what marriage should be based on. And if it happens to be two guys, two women, or a man and a woman, that's not my business to judge. And comparing gay marriage to wanting to marry an animal as Santorum has done on numerous occasions is shit and he knows it.

46 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:43:07pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't forget adults marrying minors. I often hear that one from my talibangelical relatives.

forced marriages = doubleplus not good.

47 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:44:24pm

re: #32 jaunte

There's a track record in human history of polygamy being ok for men, but abusive for women and children.

There's a lot of that through history that doesn't have anything to do with marriage too. I'm not suggesting arranged/forced marriages to fill harems but I don't 3 legal adults agreeing to a shared living arrangement is any of my business. It's not something I would ever want to do, one spouse is entirely enough, but to each their own.

If you don't believe "marriage" is strictly for 1 man and 1 woman (and I don't) then why not polygamy?

48 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:45:14pm

re: #36 Sionainn

The only thing I can think of would be the legal mess when such marriages broke up and how to split money, deal with child custody issues, etc.

That's what marriage contracts are for, right? We have plenty of lawyers running around, lets put them to work...think of it as a jobs program!

49 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:45:39pm

I was taught that marriage is all about children. The purpose is to bring into the world and create a loving, nurturing environment for children. According to the RC church, this is one of the two ways we can serve G-d.

So, with all the children that need loving homes -- why deny them those homes because the two monogamous loving adults are the sames sex?

I don't get it.

There are potentially thousands of good stable homes for children out there.

50 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:45:47pm

re: #46 ggt

And when I hear that strawman from those relatives, it's never about states where the age of consent is already like sixteen or something, it's about grown adults marrying per-pubescent children.

51 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:46:21pm

BTW, for the record I do have a sister who is part of a polygamous marriage.

52 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:49:40pm

I do admit the family situation described by Heinlein in one of his books (Friday?) freaked-me-out. I also have to admit that because I can't handle the concept doesn't mean I can't deny a loving stable home to anyone.

53 justaminute  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:49:41pm

re: #47 RogueOne

There's a lot of that through history that doesn't have anything to do with marriage too. I'm not suggesting arranged/forced marriages to fill harems but I don't 3 legal adults agreeing to a shared living arrangement is any of my business. It's not something I would ever want to do, one spouse is entirely enough, but to each their own.

If you don't believe "marriage" is strictly for 1 man and 1 woman (and I don't) then why not polygamy?

Three house down from me is a couple that divorced but 5 months later the husband moved home with a new wife to live with the ex-wife and their kids. Everybody seems to be OK with it. The new wife does all the yard work though. I tell my husband don't even think it.//

54 jaunte  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:49:48pm

re: #47 RogueOne

I have no conclusive argument against people wanting to live in a polygamous marriage, it would just require a lot of new law to be written to deal with inheritance issues, etc. I think in this case, Santorum is using the possibility as a red herring.

55 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:49:49pm

re: #40 ggt

I think if I were to see cults with one wife and multiple husbands I'd be less inclined to dislike polygamy.

3 people doesn't bother me so much --but one would probably end-up being the slave to the stronger two.

Part of the reason I'm against expanding legal marriage to greater than two people is because of the potential for exponential abuse of the marital confidences and testimonial privileges. They're just too powerful, and could allow a sham group marriage to conceal a large criminal conspiracy.

56 Kid A  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:52:12pm
"I don't have a problem with homosexuality. I have a problem with homosexual acts." -Rick Santorum

o_O?

57 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:52:41pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

Part of the reason I'm against expanding legal marriage to greater than two people is because of the potential for exponential abuse of the marital confidences and testimonial privileges. They're just too powerful, and could allow a sham group marriage to conceal a large criminal conspiracy.

Yeah, the LDS cult thing in Texas really got me thinking about such things. It can become a "tribe" instead of a what we think of as a family. The KSA Royal Family situation comes to mind.

I can see the Individual being lost.

58 thecommodore  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:53:04pm

Looks like Rick stepped in a frothy mess again.

59 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:53:19pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't forget adults marrying minors. I often hear that one from my talibangelical relatives.

Isn't that Biblical too?

60 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:54:07pm

re: #56 Kid A

o_O?

If you're looking for logic from Rick Santorum, my advice is not to. Save more brain cells that way.

61 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:54:16pm
62 allegro  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:54:27pm

re: #53 justaminute

Three house down from me is a couple that divorced but 5 months later the husband moved home with a new wife to live with the ex-wife and their kids. Everybody seems to be OK with it. The new wife does all the yard work though. I tell my husband don't even think it.//

When my husband was alive, I often thought about how great it would be to have a "wife." That is someone who cooked, cleaned, weeded the garden, fed the critters, cleaned the cages... and did it all without pay.

63 Kid A  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:55:56pm
“Is anyone saying same-​sex couples can’t love each other? I love my children. I love my friends, my brother. Heck, I even love my mother-​in-​law. Should we call these relationships marriage, too?”

-Rick Santorum

Why does Rick Santorum hate America?

64 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:56:30pm

re: #62 allegro

When my husband was alive, I often thought about how great it would be to have a "wife." That is someone who cooked, cleaned, weeded the garden, fed the critters, cleaned the cages... and did it all without pay.

My wife jokes about getting another wife for the same reason// Her sister lives with us now, I can't take on a 3rd person to boss me around.

65 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:57:13pm

re: #63 Kid A

-Rick Santorum

Why does Rick Santorum hate America?

who could care?...
oh yeah, I forgot

66 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:57:15pm

re: #56 Kid A

o_O?

That's the RC coming out.

Homosexuality is how G-d made you --that is how you are supposed to be. It's the homosexual acts that the Church says are forbidden. Since you can't serve G-d thru marriage and parenthood --you can thru Holy Orders if you are gay.

Now, we've come to a point in society in which we can see that Gay people are Individuals who are not raging sex maniacs that will steal your sons and goats. Changes the concept of serving G-d thru marriage and parenthood.

I think it's an outcome of the Cult of Bachus from Roman times and the perceived sexual debauchery of the 60's. People fear to much.

67 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:57:26pm

Wow. Just reading bits and pieces here and there. Santorum really is the dumbest man in politics. Well, one of the dumbest men.

68 justaminute  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:57:56pm

Polygamy is down in Iran because it is so expensive. In fact divorce is up and so is jailing ex-husbands. They have a situation where they agree at the time of marriage on an amount the wife will receive at the time of divorce. Seems like a lot of men cannot met the arranged price. Now the amount of people marrying is going down like the US.

69 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:58:30pm

re: #62 allegro

When my husband was alive, I often thought about how great it would be to have a "wife." That is someone who cooked, cleaned, weeded the garden, fed the critters, cleaned the cages... and did it all without pay.

You forgot about "make all the little decisions".

I get so tired of making decisions about every little thing. I want someone to do that for me.

70 Sionainn  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 2:59:18pm

re: #56 Kid A

o_O?

Same things as "hate the sin, love the sinner" (as if telling people that who they are is wrong and sinful is "loving").

71 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:02:16pm

re: #59 eclectic infidel

Isn't that Biblical too?

Quite prevalent throughout history, especially amongst European royalty for generations.

72 Kid A  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:02:29pm

re: #66 ggt

That's the RC coming out.

Roman Catholic?

74 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:03:42pm

re: #72 Kid A

Roman Catholic?

yeah

75 stockman  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:03:58pm

re: #36 Sionainn

Well, if our legal system is prepared to cope with the (hypothetical) dissolution of a family composed of a sperm donor, an egg donor, a host uterus, and two unrelated adoptive parents, winding up a threesome should be a piece of cake.

76 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:04:04pm

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

Replacing the dog whistle for the fog horn:

do food stamps even exist anymore?

77 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:04:22pm

re: #75 stockman

Well, if our legal system is prepared to cope with the (hypothetical) dissolution of a family composed of a sperm donor, an egg donor, a host uterus, and two unrelated adoptive parents, winding up a threesome should be a piece of cake.

good point

78 sagehen  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:04:26pm
Reason says that if you think it’s ok for two, you have to differentiate with me why it’s not OK for three.

I can answer that for you, Rick.

The reason government cares about keeping track of marriages at all is because all of society, everyone you deal with in the world, needs a clear delineation of who's your chosen next of kin -- who speaks for you when you're unconscious, who gets stuck with your debts if you skip, who gets your stuff if you die without a will, who's the one person you can tell anything and they can't be forced to testify to it.

It's only clear and obvious for pairbonds -- in a trio, doctors and bankers and brokers and judges don't know who your One is.

79 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:04:52pm

I do not understand the revulsion about polygamy. (Unless you straw man pedophilia into it.) The negativity makes no sense in the context of letting adults do as they please for their own happiness. I do understand how some feel about sexualities different than their own, as what seems like fun to one person is repellent to another. But mature contemporary adults learn to have an open mind. Until polygamy comes up, than all the old disreputable arguments are suddenly acceptable.

People are so strange.

80 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:05:42pm

re: #79 Rightwingconspirator

I do not understand the revulsion about polygamy. (Unless you straw man pedophilia into it.) The negativity makes no sense in the context of letting adults do as they please for their own happiness. I do understand how some feel about sexualities different than their own, as what seems like fun to one person is repellent to another. But mature contemporary adults learn to have an open mind. Until polygamy comes up, than all the old disreputable arguments are suddenly acceptable.

People are so strange.

Because it has been, traditionally, really bad for the lesser wives.

81 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:05:46pm

Perhaps the single greatest public service announcement ever

82 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:07:53pm

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perhaps the single greatest public service announcement ever

[Video]

going on my fb

83 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:08:12pm

re: #79 Rightwingconspirator

I do not understand the revulsion about polygamy

From my perspective (the one that would be the "husband") it would be going from getting mono-nagged to stereo nagging

Two Honey-Do lists
Two mothers-in law
Two people reminding me to take out the garbage (over an hour after I already took out the garbage)

//

84 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:08:30pm

re: #78 sagehen
re: #78 sagehen

I can answer that for you, Rick.

The reason government cares about keeping track of marriages at all is because all of society, everyone you deal with in the world, needs a clear delineation of who's your chosen next of kin -- who speaks for you when you're unconscious, who gets stuck with your debts if you skip, who gets your stuff if you die without a will, who's the one person you can tell anything and they can't be forced to testify to it.

It's only clear and obvious for pairbonds -- in a trio, doctors and bankers and brokers and judges don't know who your One is.

These same entities have sorted out far more complicated issues than who is in charge of medical decisions. And adults have the ability to legally designate that person. Not unlike power of attorney for instance.

85 jaunte  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:08:35pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

Win/win/lose!

86 Four More Tears  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:08:38pm

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

Replacing the dog whistle for the fog horn:

He has become a creature of pure id now.

87 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:09:41pm

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perhaps the single greatest public service announcement ever

[Video]

That is right up there with the US's "How to prepare for a zombie attack" by FEMA.

88 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:10:00pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

I do not understand the revulsion about polygamy

From my perspective (the one that would be the "husband") it would be going from getting mono-nagged to stereo nagging

Two Honey-Do lists
Two mothers-in law
Two people reminding me to take out the garbage (over an hour after I already took out the garbage)

//

Oh ,,, and twice as many "chick flicks" I have to go see!!!

89 Sionainn  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:10:22pm

re: #75 stockman

Well, if our legal system is prepared to cope with the (hypothetical) dissolution of a family composed of a sperm donor, an egg donor, a host uterus, and two unrelated adoptive parents, winding up a threesome should be a piece of cake.

I don't know about that. In a marriage, all the people could conceivably have a claim to the children which isn't the case with surrogacy.

90 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:11:01pm
The audience booed Rick Santorum today when he answered a question about gay marriage by comparing it to polygamy.

New Hampshire - Fucking A'

91 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:11:21pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

I do not understand the revulsion about polygamy

From my perspective (the one that would be the "husband") it would be going from getting mono-nagged to stereo nagging

Two Honey-Do lists
Two mothers-in law
Two people reminding me to take out the garbage (over an hour after I already took out the garbage)

//

Well at least there is usually just one or two lawns to mow. One dishwasher to fill.

92 jaunte  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:12:13pm

Santorum's polygamy red herring is not only useful for him to argue against same-sex marriage, it's a reminder of old anti-Mormon prejudice that works against Romney.

93 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:12:18pm

re: #91 Rightwingconspirator

Well at least there is usually just one or two lawns to mow. One dishwasher to fill.

Any sane polygamist gives them their own houses.

94 Four More Tears  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:12:52pm

re: #90 HAL2010

New Hampshire - Fucking A'

I want video. :(

95 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:13:01pm

re: #91 Rightwingconspirator

Well at least there is usually just one or two lawns to mow. One dishwasher to fill.

Isn't that women-folk work !?!?!

// {duckin}

96 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:13:47pm

re: #93 EmmmieG

Any sane polygamist gives them their own houses.

That's kinda my point above. We assume polygamy is one husband with many wives.

I'd love to hear what Gloria Steinem has to say on that.

97 justaminute  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:13:51pm

re: #88 sattv4u2

Oh ,,, and twice as many "chick flicks" I have to go see!!!

Maybe you would like the multi-husband situation better? Someone to share the chores with. You could tag-team the chick flicks too and the mother-in-law.

98 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:14:17pm

re: #95 sattv4u2

Isn't that women-folk work !?!?!

// {duckin}

You'd better just to to the basement for a while. Hope you have a well stocked man cave down there.

99 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:14:53pm

Brat puppy is driving me out of my mind today.

He is sooo lucky I like dogs.

100 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:15:15pm

re: #80 ggt

Yet traditionally we have many awful marriages. Betrothal and all.
But that is not a disincentive to allow marriage, just a powerful incentive to act decently, or face a divorce. This I think is one of those cultural taboos, not really rational at all.

101 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:15:33pm

bbl

102 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:16:13pm

re: #92 jaunte

Santorum's polygamy red herring is not only useful for him to argue against same-sex marriage, it's a reminder of old anti-Mormon prejudice that works against Romney.

Someone with his Google history really should be careful with the "nudge nudge, wink wink" references.

103 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:16:23pm

LaBarbera Asks Homosexual Activist Dan Savage to Take Down Cyber-Bullying Site 'Santorum.com'

No word on when Labarbera will stop calling homosexuals pedophiles, demonically possessed and "a force of evil in the world"

104 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:17:25pm

re: #97 justaminute

Maybe you would like the multi-husband situation better? Someone to share the chores with. You could tag-team the chick flicks too and the mother-in-law.

Good idea, but I would look for a guy that had Alzheimer's


"Yes Charley,.,,, I'm SURE it's your turn to take them to see The Notebook. It only seems like it's the 10th time in a row for you"

105 sagehen  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:18:47pm

re: #84 Rightwingconspirator

re: #78 sagehen

These same entities have sorted out far more complicated issues than who is in charge of medical decisions. And adults have the ability to legally designate that person. Not unlike power of attorney for instance.

Making everyone see a lawyer and get extra contracts doesn't simplify things for people who have to deal with one party of the marriage, you're making it more complicated. When you announce to the receptionist at the hospital "I'm her husband", there's an entire set of understood legal rights and responsibilities that go with the word, you don't have to send a contract up to the legal department and they sort through it and render an opinion.

106 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:19:26pm

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LaBarbera Asks Homosexual Activist Dan Savage to Take Down Cyber-Bullying Site 'Santorum.com'

No word on when Labarbera will stop calling homosexuals pedophiles, demonically possessed and "a force of evil in the world"

Of course not.

107 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:22:20pm

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Has anyone ever given a thought to all the many good people that share the surname Santorum? If I were one of those people I'd be very motivated to confront the perpetrators of that Google scam & seek a rapid change there.

108 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:22:36pm

re: #76 ggt

do food stamps even exist anymore?

Yes, in the form of a debit card.

109 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:24:34pm

SHIT!

My debit card was hacked.

110 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:25:33pm

re: #105 sagehen

Huh? It's one piece of paper, maybe notarized with your legally declared wishes on it. Who can make a decision, and should things turn deadly, what you wish to have done with your body.

The assumption that this is just too hard is exactly what we have heard about many kinds of needed reform. I don't agree with the concept. It's not too hard. People are lazy.

111 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:25:35pm

re: #109 Alouette

SHIT!

My debit card was hacked.

I am so very sorry. I hope that karma gets them in the butt.

112 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:25:57pm

re: #109 Alouette

SHIT!

My debit card was hacked.

Damn,,,, call them NOW
Have whatever the last transaction you did make (place/day/time) at the ready

113 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:26:34pm

re: #107 Rightwingconspirator

Has anyone ever given a thought to all the many good people that share the surname Santorum? If I were one of those people I'd be very motivated to confront the perpetrators of that Google scam & seek a rapid change there.

As soon as Paramount issues apologies to a guy I knew in Boot Camp whose last name was Gump.

114 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:29:20pm
115 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:29:36pm

BTW ,,, last night was one of the funniest "The Middle" episodes they've done in awhile

We now return you to your regularly scheduled blog

116 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:30:16pm

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

At least that was truly fictional, not a made up story then played up for real for the sheer deliberate harm it could cause.

117 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:30:50pm

re: #114 Alouette

On the phone with BofA now, my card is cancelled and the disputed transactions will be reimbursed.

But that SUCKS.

FUCK YOU ANONYMOUS, YOU FREAKING RETARDS. I HOPE YOU GO TO PRISON AND GET RAPED IN THE ASS.

Now now ,,, you know they just do it to hurt the bank!!!!!

//
Spit!

118 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:33:17pm

re: #114 Alouette
Of hell that does suck.
Keep an eye on the forms they receive from you m(they may claim not received later) and $$ numbers. BofA screwed D_L and I out of $200 like that. Our card got duplicated & drained our checking, that bounced checks and BofA kept the bounced check fees. BofA is not trustworthy at all.

119 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:34:17pm

re: #116 Rightwingconspirator

At least that was truly fictional, not a made up story then played up for real for the sheer deliberate harm it could cause.

You're assuming Paramount didn't have it out for the guy in question.

120 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:34:30pm

re: #114 Alouette

On the phone with BofA now, my card is cancelled and the disputed transactions will be reimbursed.

But that SUCKS.

FUCK YOU ANONYMOUS, YOU FREAKING RETARDS. I HOPE YOU GO TO PRISON AND GET RAPED IN THE ASS.

Do you know it was them? How did they get you?

121 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:35:17pm

re: #114 Alouette

re: #118 Rightwingconspirator

Of hell that does suck.
Keep an eye on the forms they receive from you m(they may claim not received later) and $$ numbers. BofA screwed D_L and I out of $200 like that. Our card got duplicated & drained our checking, that bounced checks and BofA kept the bounced check fees. BofA is not trustworthy at all.

Geat advice

ALSO,, write down every name of person/ title/time/day you call at BoA

122 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:35:47pm

re: #108 eclectic infidel

Yes, in the form of a debit card.

I know that, silly.

I just think the use of the phrase "food stamps" is archaic.

123 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:35:58pm

re: #109 Alouette

SHIT!

My debit card was hacked.

THAT SUCKS!

124 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:36:59pm

OT:


I do hope you will all be watching the U20 Ice Hockey World Championship finals starting in about 1.5 hours.

Sweden vs Russia, playing in Detroit.

Come on Sweden!

125 stockman  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:37:10pm

re: #89 Sionainn

I don't know about that. In a marriage, all the people could conceivably have a claim to the children which isn't the case with surrogacy.

Would that were true. In any case, the attorneys might want to have a go anyway

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

126 Jack Burton  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:37:12pm

re: #109 Alouette

SHIT!

My debit card was hacked.

It was probably skimmed by a compromised reader somewhere. Mine got skimmed at my own bank.

127 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:39:41pm

re: #110 Rightwingconspirator

Huh? It's one piece of paper, maybe notarized with your legally declared wishes on it. Who can make a decision, and should things turn deadly, what you wish to have done with your body.

The assumption that this is just too hard is exactly what we have heard about many kinds of needed reform. I don't agree with the concept. It's not too hard. People are lazy.

Actually, even getting a DNR to be followed is pretty freaking difficult. My BIL died and was brought back to life by rote by a paramedic --even tho the DNR was valid, his wife told them to do all they could for her husband.

My Dad was wheeled into the ER by Paramedics who had the DNR I handed them. An hour later the doctor was shocked to find out (from me) that my Dad didn't want to be revived.

I think we are all going to have to have a microchip with the necessary info embedded somewhere on our body with a port for our wishes and legal stuff to be accessed.

128 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:40:02pm

Video: Occupier Vandalizes Boise Federal Building

A video of the incident was released via Idaho Calling (it's posted below). In it, the perpetrator proclaims, “Obama signed 1867,” referencing the recently passed National Defense Authorization Act. Then he goes on to say, “You want to see terrorism. … We got some spray paint and that’s it. Go ahead, send me to fucking Guantanamo Bay. …"

After a few more choice words, the video shows the man sneaking around the Federal Building and spray painting on it.

The Idaho State Police paid a visit to the Occupy Boise encampment Tuesday and questioned a few of the protesters.

“Just because it was a member of Occupy Boise that did do it, it still was not an Occupy-sanctioned action," Occupier Glen “Angel” Garity told Citydesk.

129 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:40:15pm

I've been telling you guys that New England Republicans are different than those in the bible belt. That is why Romney is liked up here and ultra righties like Paul and Santorum would never win an election in New England. So if the GOP wants to compete seriously against President Obama, they need to nominate someone that "northerners" of both parties can see themselves voting for. And that means Romney in 2012. If the GOP nominates anyone beside Romney or long shot Jon Huntsmann, nobody up here is going to vote for them. Santorum's reception today is an example.

130 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:40:22pm

re: #114 Alouette

On the phone with BofA now, my card is cancelled and the disputed transactions will be reimbursed.

But that SUCKS.

FUCK YOU ANONYMOUS, YOU FREAKING RETARDS. I HOPE YOU GO TO PRISON AND GET RAPED IN THE ASS.

Now, now . . .

:)

131 steve_davis  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:41:30pm

re: #29 RogueOne

I think that's a bit of a cop out. If 3 adults want to form their own 3 person married band I don't see where it should be up to the rest of society to tell them they can't. There is a decent reason for not allowing incestuous relationships/marriages but I can't come up with one for polygamy.

I'm not a lawyer, but my guess would be that the clearest reason we don't allow people to marry goats, or 13 year-olds, is because neither of those parties is a consenting adult, and is therefore unable to enter into a binding contract. And while some societies in the world have managed to deal with marriages between one man and multiple women, in our litigious society, such a union would be nearly impossible to make work. What happens if one of the partners gets along with one of the other partners, but not both? And what happens if that partner wants to divorce because of irreconcilable differences? How could that happen without harm potentially coming to the partner who _isn't_ creating an issue? Stuff like that. It works in Saudi Arabia because they treat their women like second-class citizens.

132 Sionainn  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:43:32pm

re: #125 stockman

Would that were true. In any case, the attorneys might want to have a go anyway

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

That was from 1992. A whole lot has changed in the world of surrogacy.

133 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:44:12pm

re: #129 _RememberTonyC

I've been telling you guys that New England Republicans are different than those in the bible belt. That is why Romney is liked up here and ultra righties like Paul and Santorum would never win an election in New England. So if the GOP wants to compete seriously against President Obama, they need to nominate someone that "northerners" of both parties can see themselves voting for. And that means Romney in 2012. If the GOP nominates anyone beside Romney or long shot Jon Huntsmann, nobody up here is going to vote for them. Santorum's reception today is an example.

It's also why Scott Brown's currently running scared, suddenly trying to paint himself as a "moderate Republican," first by supporting Cordray's appointment yesterday, and today calling out Gingrich's "ideas" for the judiciary.

134 aagcobb  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:45:55pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't forget adults marrying minors. I often hear that one from my talibangelical relatives.

Ironic, since traditionally teenagers often wed (my aunt got married at 14), and the modern trend has been to push the age of consent to marry higher.

135 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:46:05pm

re: #131 steve_davis

I'm not a lawyer, but my guess would be that the clearest reason we don't allow people to marry goats, or 13 year-olds, is because neither of those parties is a consenting adult, and is therefore unable to enter into a binding contract. And while some societies in the world have managed to deal with marriages between one man and multiple women, in our litigious society, such a union would be nearly impossible to make work. What happens if one of the partners gets along with one of the other partners, but not both? And what happens if that partner wants to divorce because of irreconcilable differences? How could that happen without harm potentially coming to the partner who _isn't_ creating an issue? Stuff like that. It works in Saudi Arabia because they treat their women like second-class citizens.

Our society is based on the Individual, not the family unit or the tribe. Societies that traditionally had polygamous marriages (one man, many women) don't recognize the individual the way we do legally.

DOES ANYONE know of a polygamous society of one wife and many husbands?

136 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:46:24pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

it was a member of Occupy Boise that did do it, it still was not an Occupy-sanctioned action

If there aren't any "leaders" (as we've been told) who would have sanctioned or not sanctioned it anyway??

137 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:46:55pm

re: #133 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's also why Scott Brown's currently running scared, suddenly trying to paint himself as a "moderate Republican," first by supporting Cordray's appointment yesterday, and today calling out Gingrich's "ideas" for the judiciary.

I think what's happened is as the party's grown more conservative especially socially, guys like Brown and Romney before he started flopping all over the place have lost their place in the party. It's a shame really.

138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:46:56pm
139 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:47:25pm
But Santorum wants to not only overturn the laws that allowed him and his wife to make their medical decisions freely, he wants to tighten up the exceptions to add even more red tape than those who need abortions after 23 weeks endure now. Santorum claims that health exemptions are "phony." I'm sure he feels he's not a hypocrite for this, because the abortion he and his wife were contemplating was to save her life, not "merely" to prevent the pregnancy from crippling her. But the problem with that is that if you're a doctor working to save someone's life in a legal structure that assumes that abortions for health reasons are "phony," good luck trying to parse out the difference between saving a life and saving someone's health. Doctors in these situations work to a wellness standard, not a "keep her alive, if you must, but just barely" standard. If one doctor thinks that a condition has a 40 percent chance of killing a woman and another thinks it has a 60 percent chance of killing her, what then? I fail to see how the lawyers can't get involved, unless the government is willing to let it basically go as long as the proper paperwork is filed. But since these laws are being passed by rabid anti-choicers who claim that the threat of being crippled is not enough to let you have an abortion, the chance of that happening is pretty low.

Seriously, Fuck Santorum.

Link.

140 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:47:50pm

If got a tattoo of DNR over my heart do you think EMS would follow it?

141 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:49:11pm

re: #140 ggt

If got a tattoo of DNR over my heart do you think EMS would follow it?

I wonder if you can notarize a tattoo

142 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:49:20pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Do you know it was them? How did they get you?

They are legion.

143 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:49:24pm

re: #138 WindUpBird

Norway's Santorum coverage :D

I got the first part, what was fosser fram mean?

144 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:50:04pm

re: #141 WindUpBird

I wonder if you can notarize a tattoo

I could have written below it -- "revive me and I'll sue your ass"

145 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:50:07pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

I think what's happened is as the party's grown more conservative especially socially, guys like Brown and Romney before he started flopping all over the place have lost their place in the party. It's a shame really.

I'm sorry, but I can't really feel sorry for Brown. He was a one-trick pony, running on his opposition to the Affordable Care Act, facing a half-assed opposition that expected to keep the "Kennedy Seat" by virtue of having a "D" beside her name. Now that he's facing a well-organized, serious opponent, he's finding his ass in deep shit, with the Tea Party nowhere in sight.

146 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:52:37pm

re: #143 ggt

I got the first part, what was fosser fram mean?

I don't speak Norway ^_^

147 sagehen  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:52:46pm

re: #110 Rightwingconspirator

Huh? It's one piece of paper, maybe notarized with your legally declared wishes on it. Who can make a decision, and should things turn deadly, what you wish to have done with your body.

The assumption that this is just too hard is exactly what we have heard about many kinds of needed reform. I don't agree with the concept. It's not too hard. People are lazy.

It's not even close to that simple -- if it was that easy, gay couples wouldn't have such a hard time getting visitation or setting up joint property ownership. You're demanding that everybody spend thousands of dollars on legal fees, carry the documents with them at all times, and hope that whoever they have to deal with in an emergency will have time to read through it or get a formal legal opinion.

148 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:52:55pm

re: #143 ggt

I got the first part, what was fosser fram mean?

Basically "Gay hater floods forward. Rick Santorums closest thing to his heart is the struggle against homosexuals."

149 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:53:30pm

re: #148 HAL2010

Basically "Gay hater floods forward. Rick Santorums closest thing to his heart is the struggle against homosexuals"

Is there a joke in there?

150 aagcobb  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:53:51pm

re: #90 HAL2010

New Hampshire - Fucking A'

This is why NH should be first instead of Iowa. We wouldn't have had to suffer through months of pandering to a few thousand zealous Iowa fundies.

151 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:54:33pm

re: #140 ggt

If got a tattoo of DNR over my heart do you think EMS would follow it?

Maybe they'll think it means Do Not Remove

152 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:54:41pm

Dinner time!

153 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:55:52pm

re: #149 ggt

Is there a joke in there?

I'm trying to be more precise. "fosser fram" is more like a rapid going forward, I just can't think of the word. "Flooding forward" sounds wrong.

hjertesak is the candidates most burning passion, what drives him more than anything, say healthcare for Obama in 08.

The first sentence could very well be a play on words, but I don't think the second one is.

154 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:56:04pm

re: #135 ggt

Our society is based on the Individual, not the family unit or the tribe. Societies that traditionally had polygamous marriages (one man, many women) don't recognize the individual the way we do legally.

DOES ANYONE know of a polygamous society of one wife and many husbands?

It's called Polyandry and yes, there have been a few. It's far less common than polygamy. Most common is one woman and two brothers.

More at the usual wiki page: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

155 gummitch  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:56:42pm

re: #40 ggt

I think if I were to see cults with one wife and multiple husbands I'd be less inclined to dislike polygamy.

I remember studying at least one polyandrous culture in my anthropology class, in India as I recall. It was built on the reality that there was no work to be had in the villages and the men had to travel a great distance and stay away a long time. The women therefore had multiple husbands but the men were never there with one another.

My only issue with polygyny is the manner in which it has been abused by cultists, who make it an opportunity to rape young girls and abandon boys. I have known pluralists over the years and their success rate was roughly the same as most heterosexual marriages.

156 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:57:09pm

re: #145 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm sorry, but I can't really feel sorry for Brown. He was a one-trick pony, running on his opposition to the Affordable Care Act, facing a half-assed opposition that expected to keep the "Kennedy Seat" by virtue of having a "D" beside her name. Now that he's facing a well-organized, serious opponent, he's finding his ass in deep shit, with the Tea Party nowhere in sight.

Oh believe me I want Warren to win but I miss a strong moderate wing of the GOP.

157 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:57:50pm

re: #155 gummitch

I have known pluralists over the years and their success rate was roughly the same as most heterosexual marriages.

ditto & qft.

158 blueraven  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:57:56pm

re: #142 Alouette

They are legion.

That's true, but I have had my debit card hacked before and it had nothing to do with ANONYMOUS.

There are a lot of scammers out there.

159 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:57:58pm

re: #52 ggt

I do admit the family situation described by Heinlein in one of his books (Friday?) freaked-me-out. I also have to admit that because I can't handle the concept doesn't mean I can't deny a loving stable home to anyone.

The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress. And the Family was lead by the Eldest Woman.

160 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:58:43pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Oh believe me I want Warren to win but I miss a strong moderate wing of the GOP.

As do I, but I'd rather see them in office on their merits, rather than simply because the Democrats ran a shitty campaign.

161 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:58:54pm

And throwing more fecal matter on the Santorum speedwagon, Romney is (by accident, wink?) linking to THAT website.

Rick Santorum’s least favorite website seems to be getting a boost from rival Mitt Romney's campaign—intentionally or otherwise...

The Romney ad doesn't appear every time the site loads, leading some to question the screenshot's authenticity. But The Slatest has confirmed it: We found the same ad when we visited. (See our screenshot below.) Indeed, the ad says, "paid for by Romney for President, Inc." and links directly to Romney's official site.

Also worth noting, however, is that there’s a good chance the placement was unintentional (as Buzzfeed acknowledges at the bottom of its post). It appears to be a Google ad, meaning that the Romney campaign may have simply purchased ad space from Google linked to the keyword “Santorum” without considering the likelihood that Google would automatically place the ad on the vulgar site. On the other hand, it would be shocking if the Romney campaign weren’t aware of what pops up on Google when one enters that keyword.

162 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:59:21pm

re: #160 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

As do I, but I'd rather see them in office on their merits, rather than simply because the Democrats ran a shitty campaign.

True that. And yeah Coakley ran an awful campaign.

163 sagehen  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 3:59:38pm

re: #135 ggt

Our society is based on the Individual, not the family unit or the tribe. Societies that traditionally had polygamous marriages (one man, many women) don't recognize the individual the way we do legally.

DOES ANYONE know of a polygamous society of one wife and many husbands?

I forget what they're called, but it's way up in the Himalayas where resources are way scarce and they need to keep the birthrate very low. Usually she'll marry a pair/trio of brothers -- if she dies in childbirth they'll get a new wife, but every generation there's extra women who wander off with nomadic trading caravans that pass through.

164 blueraven  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:00:38pm

re: #158 blueraven

That's true, but I have had my debit card hacked before and it had nothing to do with ANONYMOUS.

There are a lot of scammers out there.

Sucks no matter who did it though.
Hope all goes smoothly for you. My bank was pretty quick, but still...A real PITA!!

165 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:01:37pm

re: #142 Alouette

They are legion.

I must admit to frequent some less wholesome places on the internet, and they are currently far to busy with ponies and "traps" to be "legion".
They peaked in 2007 with their Scientology hack. Which was awesome.

These days it's quite a few people on IRC more than anything.

If it indeed was Anon the money draw out should have been transferred to a charity most likely. I believe that was their latest stunt.

166 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:02:09pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

True that. And yeah Coakley ran an awful campaign.

She ran an awful campaign because she's an awful person.

[Link: www.talkleft.com...]

167 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:02:24pm

Santorum's Islamaphobia problem

"What must we do to win? We must educate, engage, evangelize and eradicate." - Rick Santorum

168 Lidane  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:02:30pm

re: #4 Charles

This is such a dumb, childish argument, but people like Santorum really think it's a winner.

EXACTLY. They're dumb enough to think that comparing homosexuality to bestiality or polygamy or incest or whatever will somehow make their ignorance valid.

It's mind-blowing that this shit is even an issue in 2012. WTF. Haven't we moved past this sort of thing by now?

169 Lidane  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:04:03pm

re: #161 HAL2010

And throwing more fecal matter on the Santorum speedwagon, Romney is (by accident, wink?) linking to THAT website.

The more people talk about that internet meme, the more people know about it and about the reasons for it.

Quite frankly, I can't think of a better punishment for that lunatic Santorum than to have his name forever associated with the frothy mix that bears his name.

170 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:04:21pm

re: #166 RogueOne

She ran an awful campaign because she's an awful person.

[Link: www.talkleft.com...]

Yeah I heard about some of the stuff she did as AG and DA. Jeesh.

171 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:05:20pm

re: #167 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Santorum's Islamaphobia problem

We must launch every available missile at any nation in which the terrorists are rumored to be hiding. We must bomb every square inch of any country that may be harboring them. Then, when the thick, black smoke has finally cleared, we must bomb them all over again, reducing the rubble to its component atoms. If, in the midst of carpet-bombing a country, we find that it had no involvement in the Sept. 11 attack, so be it. Apologies can come later, but vengeance must be immediate.

After pummeling the holy living hell out of those fuckers with bombs, we should send in ground troops, armed to the teeth, to sweep through and exterminate anyone still alive who might have been involved. America's soldiers must be under orders to pump round after round into their bodies, pausing only to replace their clips. Only then will closure to this horrible event be possible. If we do not strike back fast and with as much military might as humanly possible, America will never be able to heal.

Santorum, or The Onion?

172 dell*nix  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:05:21pm

re: #165 HAL2010

Fraud is fraud. Jail them.

173 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:06:22pm

re: #171 HAL2010

Santorum, or The Onion?

Bryan Fischer

174 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:06:35pm

re: #168 Lidane

EXACTLY. They're dumb enough to think that comparing homosexuality to bestiality or polygamy or incest or whatever will somehow make their ignorance valid.

It's mind-blowing that this shit is even an issue in 2012. WTF. Haven't we moved past this sort of thing by now?

What's telling to me is the difference between American conservatives like Santorum and British conservatives like PM David Cameron. Cameron gave a speech in which he said he favored equal rights(marriage I think was mentioned) for gay citizens not in spite of being a conservative but because he was a conservative, Now I'd probably be Labour or Lib Dem if I were a Briton but I respect Cameron for that.

175 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:07:31pm

re: #167 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Santorum's Islamaphobia problem

Like I've said before, Santorum wouldn't look out of place in full Puritan attire. The only reason he doesn't show up at debates with Bible firmly welded to his hand is because they generally have rules against props.

176 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:08:24pm
177 aagcobb  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:08:42pm

The difference between same-sex marriage and polygamous marriage is that banning one is unconstitutional and banning the other isn't. If two men request a marriage license and the clerk refuses to issue it because one of them isn't a woman, that is sex discrimination, and you have to have a rational basis for treating two similarly situated people differently. The rational basis test is very easy to satisfy, but I have yet to hear an opponent of same-sex marriage provide a rational basis for prohibiting same-sex marriage. In contrast, there is no sex discrimination in banning polygamous marriages; you simply can't be married to more than one person at the same time. And there are several rational reasons to ban polygamy, as have been discussed in this thread. Thus laws prohibiting polygamy are constitutional.

178 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:08:48pm

re: #168 Lidane

EXACTLY. They're dumb enough to think that comparing homosexuality to bestiality or polygamy or incest or whatever will somehow make their ignorance valid.

It's mind-blowing that this shit is even an issue in 2012. WTF. Haven't we moved past this sort of thing by now?

no, and it will become even worse

179 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:09:30pm

re: #172 dell*nix

Fraud is fraud. Jail them.

Agreed, the point was that if this was indeed anon, it should be easier to verify this by where the money went.

180 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:09:57pm

re: #114 Alouette

On the phone with BofA now, my card is cancelled and the disputed transactions will be reimbursed.

But that SUCKS.

FUCK YOU ANONYMOUS, YOU FREAKING RETARDS. I HOPE YOU GO TO PRISON AND GET RAPED IN THE ASS.

Hell hath no fury like a Woman scorned burned.

I feel for you. Has happened to me twice. Both after having used Pay Pal.

181 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:10:10pm

re: #175 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Like I've said before, Santorum wouldn't look out of place in full Puritan attire. The only reason he doesn't show up at debates with Bible firmly welded to his hand is because they generally have rules against props.

A Roman Catholic is Puritan clothing?

182 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:10:49pm

re: #177 aagcobb

The difference between same-sex marriage and polygamous marriage is that banning one is unconstitutional and banning the other isn't. If two men request a marriage license and the clerk refuses to issue it because one of them isn't a woman, that is sex discrimination, and you have to have a rational basis for treating two similarly situated people differently. The rational basis test is very easy to satisfy, but I have yet to hear an opponent of same-sex marriage provide a rational basis for prohibiting same-sex marriage. In contrast, there is no sex discrimination in banning polygamous marriages; you simply can't be married to more than one person at the same time. And there are several rational reasons to ban polygamy, as have been discussed in this thread. Thus laws prohibiting polygamy are constitutional.

but not followed

183 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:12:20pm

re: #176 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh sweet sweet Onion

Did The Media Treat Bachmann Unfairly Because She's An Insane Woman?

Oh man they nailed it. Santorum's just as nuts as Bachmann and yet here he was within 50 votes of winning Iowa.

184 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:12:21pm

Well, I made a decision the other day.

I bought a new cheaper camera.

I charged the battery and inserted the SD card.

That was two days ago.

I have to read the little tiny print in the user guide and figure out how to point an click all over again.

ugh!

185 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:12:44pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

//// Great the crazy has now spread here.

186 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:12:45pm

re: #181 ggt

A Roman Catholic is Puritan clothing?

It's the mental image I get every time the man opens his mouth. His views of religion as they pertain to modern life are so archaic, that the only other attire that might fit would be dressing him up like Torquemada.

187 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:14:43pm

Joe Arpaio to run again, despite DOJ battle
[Link: www.politico.com...]

I hope this isn't the best argument they can come up with:

Following Arpaio’s announcement, Arizona Democratic Party Chairman Andrei Cherny said in a statement: “Arpaio’s record as sheriff is unmatched in misusing taxpayer funds, ignoring sex-abuse cases and leaving warrants unserved. Arizona deserves better.”

188 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:14:46pm

re: #186 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's the mental image I get every time the man opens his mouth. His views of religion as they pertain to modern life are so archaic, that the only other attire that might fit would be dressing him up like Torquemada.

and face it, you can't Torquemada anything.

189 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:15:25pm

Frankly guys like Santorum are what drew me away from the RCC in the first place. He's the ultimate judgmental asshole.

190 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:15:41pm

re: #187 RogueOne

"Arizona deserves better"

Then again, its Arizona, so maybe they don't.

/

191 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:15:43pm

Fixed a bad typo

192 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:16:24pm

re: #190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Their argument sounds a bit like they think the problem is he's just not tough enough

193 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:18:30pm

the example of polyandry in which a woman marries two brothers sounds like a form of slavery, not marriage, to me. Always pregnant, two men to cook and clean for --early death.

I can see the situation in which the men are always travelling or at war. That would make sense for the woman to have one or two around all the time. Her house, her rules. She can keep the farm or business going.

The only example in history of a true Harem of men is the one from Nepal-India?

194 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:19:03pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Frankly guys like Santorum are what drew me away from the RCC in the first place. He's the ultimate judgmental asshole.

And he doesn't represent the Church.

I have to keep reminding myself of that.

195 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:19:04pm

Georgia State Rep: ‘I’m Afraid’ Of Romney’s Mormon Faith, But ‘It’s Better Than A Muslim’

“I think Mitt Romney is a nice man, but I’m afraid of his Mormon faith,” Manning said. “It’s better than a Muslim. Of course, every time you look at the TV these days you find an ad on there telling us how normal they are. So why do they have to put ads on the TV just to convince us that they’re normal if they are normal? … If the Mormon faith adhered to a past philosophy of pluralism, multi-wives, that doesn’t follow the Christian faith of one man and one woman, and that concerns me.”

/facepalm

196 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:20:06pm

re: #195 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Georgia State Rep: ‘I’m Afraid’ Of Romney’s Mormon Faith, But ‘It’s Better Than A Muslim’

/facepalm

So, the person is a drone for their religion?

nice, mature, rational thinking there.

197 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:20:56pm

re: #195 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Georgia State Rep: ‘I’m Afraid’ Of Romney’s Mormon Faith, But ‘It’s Better Than A Muslim’

/facepalm

I live for the day when religion is no longer a matter in presidential elections, when we actually abide by the portion of our own Constitution that states that no religious test will be required in order to be eligible.

198 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:21:21pm

re: #197 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I live for the day when religion is no longer a matter in presidential elections, when we actually abide by the portion of our own Constitution that states that no religious test will be required in order to be eligible.

When a person will be judged by the content of their character?

I think that will only happen at St Peter's Gates if at all.

199 Lidane  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:21:52pm

re: #195 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Georgia State Rep: ‘I’m Afraid’ Of Romney’s Mormon Faith, But ‘It’s Better Than A Muslim’

/facepalm

Why be afraid of one mythical sky father when you can be afraid of two?

Ugh.

200 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:21:55pm

re: #198 ggt

When a person will be judged by the content of their character?

re: #197 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I live for the day when religion is no longer a matter in presidential elections, when we actually abide by the portion of our own Constitution that states that no religious test will be required in order to be eligible.

HIPPIES!

201 aagcobb  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:22:15pm

re: #196 ggt

So, the person is a drone for their religion?

nice, mature, rational thinking there.

Their neo-confederate forebears feared Kennedy's Catholicism.

202 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:23:02pm

Oh dear.

@TheRoot247 The Root
Herman Cain's back! He's launching a 'Revolution Solution' bus tour [Link: t.co...]

203 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:23:13pm

re: #200 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #197 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

HIPPIES!

I left my tie-die in the washer. Will a gray pocket t-shirt work?

//

204 Lidane  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:23:19pm

re: #201 aagcobb

Their neo-confederate forebears feared Kennedy's Catholicism.

The Vatican will run America if we elect a Catholic!

The names have changed, but the idiocy remains the same.

205 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:23:28pm

I just got delivery from a new old restaurant. Sold, new owners ran it to the ground, old owner's son opened another location. Ma and Pop work there.

REAL MANICOTTI, OMG!

delivered!!!!

can you smell the garlic over the intertoobs?

206 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:26:55pm

Newt Gingrich has the personality of a toll booth attendant on the Garden State Parkway.

207 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:27:04pm

re: #202 Gus 802

Oh dear.

@TheRoot247 The Root
Herman Cain's back! He's launching a 'Revolution Solution' bus tour [Link: t.co...]

Is he leasing Palin's bus since she is not currently using it?

208 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:27:39pm

re: #207 oaktree

Is he leasing Palin's bus since she is not currently using it?

I didn't check. Mah brain iz hurtin too much already.

209 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:28:33pm

re: #207 oaktree

Is he leasing Palin's bus since she is not currently using it?

Maybe he cain join her at CPAC?

210 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:30:28pm

re: #135 ggt

Our society is based on the Individual, not the family unit or the tribe. Societies that traditionally had polygamous marriages (one man, many women) don't recognize the individual the way we do legally.

DOES ANYONE know of a polygamous society of one wife and many husbands?

Tibet, and a few others:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

211 aagcobb  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:30:55pm

re: #205 ggt

I just got delivery from a new old restaurant. Sold, new owners ran it to the ground, old owner's son opened another location. Ma and Pop work there.

REAL MANICOTTI, OMG!

delivered!!!

can you smell the garlic over the intertoobs?

Mmmmmmm, Garlic!

212 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:31:49pm

re: #202 Gus 802

Oh dear.

@TheRoot247 The Root
Herman Cain's back! He's launching a 'Revolution Solution' bus tour [Link: t.co...]

No he isn't. It's just a bus tour to keep his idiotic 999 plan alive (That will not last long). And perhaps a lame attempt to get some write in votes.

"The biggest comment when I ended my candidacy was, 'Keep 999 alive,' " Cain said. "And that's what this is about. The first solution we're going to promote actively is '999: The Revolution.' "

213 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:32:42pm

re: #147 sagehen

Sure triads would have a complex situation. However, so do multiple business partnerships, and we get through those legalities well enough. All kinds of money issues there too.

214 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:36:02pm

re: #213 Rightwingconspirator

Sure triads would have a complex situation. However, so do multiple business partnerships, and we get through those legalities well enough. All kinds of money issues there too.

There is nothing in a marriage that standard contract law can't already handle once you take it out of the realm of religion.

215 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:38:50pm

re: #214 wlewisiii

There is nothing in a marriage that standard contract law can't already handle once you take it out of the realm of religion.

TP rolls over/under.

216 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:41:16pm

re: #215 Decatur Deb

TP rolls over/under.

Hmm. Price of a second TP mounting kit. Attorneys fees. That's a tough one. /

217 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:44:03pm

re: #214 wlewisiii

There is nothing in a marriage that standard contract law can't already handle once you take it out of the realm of religion.

Which also means the automatic legalization of gay marriage, as it could simply be (as seen by the government) a form for tax purposes.

The rest would be up to the couple. Want to get married?
Do so, it has nothing to do with the government.
As it should be.

218 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:44:32pm

I've had my three marriages, three different women...they can do whatever they want to with the thing now....I had mine

219 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:45:05pm

re: #215 Decatur Deb

TP rolls over/under.

Over if you're normal, under if you have a cat.

220 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:46:08pm

re: #218 albusteve

I've had my three marriages, three different women...they can do whatever they want to with the thing now...I had mine

Yeah but all three were undermined and destroyed by the fact that Andrew Sullivan got married to his husband!

DON'T YOU SEE?!

/

221 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:46:22pm

I'd like to see legislation that allows me to have sex with whomever I prefer...that would be tre kewl

222 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:50:29pm

re: #158 blueraven

That's true, but I have had my debit card hacked before and it had nothing to do with ANONYMOUS.

There are a lot of scammers out there.

Yeah, but "Anonymous" makes it seem "noble" somehow. They are all rapey stabby assholes.

223 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:53:25pm

re: #222 Alouette

Yeah, but "Anonymous" makes it seem "noble" somehow. They are all rapey stabby assholes.

OCCUPY DEBIT CARDS!

224 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:56:30pm

fRIEND OF THE dEVIL

a friend of the Devil is a friend of mine...

225 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 4:58:55pm

re: #212 Bubblehead II

No he isn't. It's just a bus tour to keep his idiotic 999 plan alive (That will not last long). And perhaps a lame attempt to get some write in votes.

It's phase two of the Palin grift: the PAC that rolls retained campaign funds into personal profits.

226 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:01:21pm

re: #224 albusteve

fRIEND OF THE dEVIL

a friend of the Devil is a friend of mine...

[Video]

The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of great moral crises maintain their neutrality.
Dante Alighieri

227 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:01:33pm

smashmouth metal
Whisky In A Jar
Metalica

228 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:02:30pm

re: #226 HAL2010

The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of great moral crises maintain their neutrality.
Dante Alighieri

I'll be in the Eighth Ring if you want to drop by

229 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:03:59pm

re: #217 HAL2010

A fellow lizard once pointed out that for the government to be into marriage at all is a constitutional violation as an endorsement of a religious action-marriage. Now that may be more clever than realistic, but I get it-in this sense minimizing government involvement is best.

230 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:04:15pm

Now then!

Sweden vs Russia!

BRING IT YOU COMMIE SCUMBAGS!

(Yes that's right, it's Ice Hockey)

231 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:04:55pm

Sooo... I had a weird dream last night. It was a cross between "Independence Day" and "Men In Black". Like a covert alien invasion that the general populace was unaware of.

The weird part was the heroes in this dream were Sean Connery (sans toupee), a random twelve year old with a devastating right hook, and Earth, Wind, & Fire.

232 allegro  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:06:30pm

re: #231 Slumbering Behemoth

Sooo... I had a weird dream last night. It was a cross between "Independence Day" and "Men In Black". Like a covert alien invasion that the general populace was unaware of.

The weird part was the heroes in this dream were Sean Connery (sans toupee), a random twelve year old with a devastating right hook, and Earth, Wind, & Fire.

Pitch that story to a producer and you've got a hit movie.

233 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:07:06pm

re: #222 Alouette

As I responded to one of your earlier post. I have been high jack by using Pay Pal a couple of times. My bank (iccu.com) took care of the problem fast, but if you are using/have used Pay Pal before, beware.

Charles. HINT! HINT! FUCKING HINT!

Offer a subscription package on Amazon.

Hey, you get the referral fee as well as the subscription.

Edit: Reported to Charles

234 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:07:15pm

re: #229 Rightwingconspirator

A fellow lizard once pointed out that for the government to be into marriage at all is a constitutional violation as an endorsement of a religious action-marriage. Now that may be more clever than realistic, but I get it-in this sense minimizing government involvement is best.

agreed...the states are into it for the money and now crackpot ideology is looming right behind....the whole concept needs to be junked and streamlined in terms of civil organization...beyond that, fuck them

235 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:07:34pm

When all else fails, rail on the gays.

That's one way to keep your name in the news.

236 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:09:36pm

re: #235 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

When all else fails, rail on the gays.

That's one way to keep your name in the news.

I'm sure some of "the gays" would love to be "railed", as you so finely put it. However, legislation turning them into second class citizens?
Not so much.

/

237 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:11:53pm

re: #235 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

When all else fails, rail on the gays.

That's one way to keep your name in the news.

Mongo no like complicated issue. Mongo can't talk about Iraq, economy, financial reform, science, or other complicated issue. Mongo not like gay. Mongo want gay vote. Mongo talk about gay. All the time.

238 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:12:04pm

re: #232 allegro

Another weird part... The invading aliens brought a "tag along" species with them, much the way rats tagged along on merchant vessels and the like in the old days of sea faring.

They were these furry little flying things, about the size of a human thumb, with a poisonous sting. They looked like tiny little flying narwhals. I blame SFZ for that one.

239 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:13:06pm

Santorum's an idiot.

Full. Stop.

240 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:13:17pm

re: #236 HAL2010

I'm sure some of "the gays" would love to be "railed", as you so finely put it. However, legislation turning them into second class citizens?
Not so much.

/

None of the gays I know want to be railed. Must be a hetero thing. :D

241 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:13:42pm

re: #238 Slumbering Behemoth

Another weird part... The invading aliens brought a "tag along" species with them, much the way rats tagged along on merchant vessels and the like in the old days of sea faring.

They were these furry little flying things, about the size of a human thumb, with a poisonous sting. They looked like tiny little flying narwhals. I blame SFZ for that one.

you should consider some psychotherapy...maybe some pills and shock...chin up!

242 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:15:18pm

rail me baby

243 allegro  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:15:22pm

re: #238 Slumbering Behemoth

Another weird part... The invading aliens brought a "tag along" species with them, much the way rats tagged along on merchant vessels and the like in the old days of sea faring.

They were these furry little flying things, about the size of a human thumb, with a poisonous sting. They looked like tiny little flying narwhals. I blame SFZ for that one.

Seriously, that sounds like the makings of a very fun movie. With Sean Connery, hair or not. Please. :)

244 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:16:00pm

re: #241 albusteve

??? Weird dreams are just a part of life. Everyone has them. If you don't, you should consider some psychotherapy...maybe some pills and shock.

245 Lidane  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:16:16pm
246 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:16:21pm

Maybe that could be a new kind of heckle?

People showing up at Santorum events asking him to rail them?

Loudly?

Now, off to watch the Ice Hockey!

247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:17:22pm

re: #243 allegro

And it wasn't "Sean Connery as...", it was actual Sean Connery, fighting a covert alien invasion.

248 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:18:53pm

Huntsman. Riiiiiight.

Santorum just raised 2 million in just 2 days.

THIS, is the new face of the Republican Party.

249 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:19:30pm

Oddly enough, of all the horrific nightmares I've had in my life, not a single one of them was about Freddy Kruger.

250 Lidane  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:19:48pm

Cue the wingnut freakouts over the librul media trying to influence the election:

Boston Globe Endorses Jon Huntsman

251 Stanghazi  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:20:22pm

Holier than thou Santorum tipped off man in sanctimonious marriage, John Ensign per report.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

252 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:21:04pm

re: #245 Lidane

Hyperbole? What's that?

Santorum Suggests Romney Nomination ‘Will Destroy This Country’

Most Powerful and Great Country in the World

vs.

Constant Threat of Collapsing like a Souffle

253 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:22:07pm

re: #244 Slumbering Behemoth

??? Weird dreams are just a part of life. Everyone has them. If you don't, you should consider some psychotherapy...maybe some pills and shock.

my head is sorta disorganized I admit...internet, meat world, sleep...it's hard to keep straight

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:22:26pm

re: #29 RogueOne

I think that's a bit of a cop out. If 3 adults want to form their own 3 person married band I don't see where it should be up to the rest of society to tell them they can't. There is a decent reason for not allowing incestuous relationships/marriages but I can't come up with one for polygamy.

Legally, it's a substantially greater shift in legal marriage in the United States than same-sex marriage. All same-sex marriage asks of us is that we change some pronouns. Creating a functional legal framework for polygamous marriages would require a huge amount of social discussion, legal hammering, et al, and frankly, we haven't reached a point where people are asking it from society in any meaningful way or numbers.

255 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:22:44pm

re: #32 jaunte

There's a track record in human history of polygamy being ok for men, but abusive for women and children.

The same could be said for monogamous marriage.

256 Lidane  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:22:51pm

re: #252 The Ghost of a Flea

Most Powerful and Great Country in the World

Yeah. Apparently America isn't just exceptional. It's got supernatural, life-altering powers:

Santorum: The Creation Of America Caused Life Expectancy To Double

257 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:23:15pm

re: #245 Lidane

Hyperbole? What's that?

Santorum Suggests Romney Nomination ‘Will Destroy This Country’

I thought Obama was supposed to do that. Hmm... I'm gonna need a scorecard to keep track of all the Destroyers. Is Ozzy still one of them?

258 aagcobb  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:23:18pm

re: #252 The Ghost of a Flea

Most Powerful and Great Country in the World

vs.

Constant Threat of Collapsing like a Souffle

Yeah, Canada has had universal health care for decades; apparently it causes extremely slow motion destruction!

259 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:24:15pm

re: #253 albusteve

my head is sorta disorganized I admit...internet, meat world, sleep...it's hard to keep straight

But what's important is that you still have a sense of humor.

260 JAFO  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:24:40pm

re: #256 Lidane

Yeah. Apparently America isn't just exceptional. It's got supernatural, life-altering powers:

Santorum: The Creation Of America Caused Life Expectancy To Double

Louis Pasteur would probably dispute that.

261 Lidane  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:24:41pm

re: #254 SanFranciscoZionist

Legally, it's a substantially greater shift in legal marriage in the United States than same-sex marriage. All same-sex marriage asks of us is that we change some pronouns. Creating a functional legal framework for polygamous marriages would require a huge amount of social discussion, legal hammering, et al, and frankly, we haven't reached a point where people are asking it from society in any meaningful way or numbers.

Exactly.

We'll see full, equal gay marriage in this country long before we'll see legalized polygamy, just because our society has had centuries to adapt to and build a legal framework for a marriage contract between two people.

262 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:25:42pm

re: #52 ggt

I do admit the family situation described by Heinlein in one of his books (Friday?) freaked-me-out. I also have to admit that because I can't handle the concept doesn't mean I can't deny a loving stable home to anyone.

Heinlein does several portrayals of group marriages. It would drive me fucking batty, but it's a favorite fantasy of his, one that he likes to fit into his novels here and there.

Doesn't bother me. The incest, now that bothered me. "To Sail Beyond The Sunset" is a creepy little book in some regards.

263 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:26:32pm

re: #258 aagcobb

Yeah, Canada has had universal health care for decades; apparently it causes extremely slow motion destruction!

I know! Sell it like this...

"Universal Health Care Creates World's Best Snipers"

That should do it.

264 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:26:52pm

re: #259 Slumbering Behemoth

But what's important is that you still have a sense of humor.

the last redoubt

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:27:09pm

re: #56 Kid A

o_O?

That's actually in accordance with strict theology. Gay people are OK, gay acts are unacceptable.

I've yet to meet anyone sane and/or gay who felt this sort of hair-splitting was very helpful.

266 Lidane  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:27:42pm

re: #257 Slumbering Behemoth

I thought Obama was supposed to do that.

Don't you see? Romney inspired Obama to create his health care bill! They're both enemies of America!

/Santorum

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:28:30pm

re: #76 ggt

do food stamps even exist anymore?

Yes, but in a swipe-card form.

268 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:29:06pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

Heinlein does several portrayals of group marriages. It would drive me fucking batty, but it's a favorite fantasy of his, one that he likes to fit into his novels here and there.

Doesn't bother me. The incest, now that bothered me. "To Sail Beyond The Sunset" is a creepy little book in some regards.

Heinlein was a very horny guy...he embraced sex at nearly every turn, but I don't recall anything he wrote about incest

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:31:16pm

re: #80 ggt

Because it has been, traditionally, really bad for the lesser wives.

This is the thing, though. "Traditional marriage" meant, even in the United States, that a woman lost her standing as a legal person, her right to own property, her right to be protected from rape by the man she married...marriage was traditionally really bad for women.

We changed that.

If we made polygamy legal, we wouldn't do it in a form that allowed people's personal rights to be taken away.

Now, would they be? In some groups? Yeah, but that's already the case. Polygamy's NOT legal, and yet we have things like these bizarre FLDS people. It's not like legalizing polygamy is going to make it easier for anyone to screw anyone else over; they can already do that.

270 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:32:31pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

I do not understand the revulsion about polygamy

From my perspective (the one that would be the "husband") it would be going from getting mono-nagged to stereo nagging

Two Honey-Do lists
Two mothers-in law
Two people reminding me to take out the garbage (over an hour after I already took out the garbage)

//

A gentleman I know with two wives once explained that in his house, his word was law, and his decision was final. When there was a question about anything, his wives consulted with each other, and then informed him of what his word and decision was going to be.

Old-fashioned people.

271 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:34:21pm

Reason says that if you think it’s ok for two, you have to differentiate with me why it’s not OK for three

and by the same token, reason says that if you think it's not ok between two men, you have to differentiate with me why it's ok between a man and a woman

"well, the bible..."

excuse me, we were talking about "reason" here, weren't we?

272 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:36:22pm

Two mothers-in law

in fact, i experienced this for nine years with only one wife

one set of in-laws with the mother and stepfather, and a second set the other way around

273 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:39:07pm

re: #272 engineer dog

Reason #666 that The Behemoth has never married.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:39:41pm

re: #268 albusteve

Heinlein was a very horny guy...he embraced sex at nearly every turn, but I don't recall anything he wrote about incest

"To Sail Beyond The Sunset". Lazarus Long's mother's story.

275 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:39:53pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

"Doesn't bother me. The incest, now that bothered me. "To Sail Beyond The Sunset" is a creepy little book in some regards."

Perhaps. But Heinlein also covered that (well before genetic testing was even a wet spot on the sheet of Science) in Number of the Beast as well as a couple of others I can't remember off the top of my head.

276 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:41:33pm

re: #272 engineer dog

Two mothers-in law

in fact, i experienced this for nine years with only one wife

one set of in-laws with the mother and stepfather, and a second set the other way around

My husband was raised by two moms. I got two mothers-in-law as part of the package.

277 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:42:00pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband was raised by two moms. I got two mothers-in-law as part of the package.

Double the evil!

//

278 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:42:23pm

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist

"To Sail Beyond The Sunset". Lazarus Long's mother's story.

I missed that one...I'm not into incest

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:42:39pm

re: #277 HAL2010

Double the evil!

//

Ah, it's been OK. Mostly.

280 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:43:09pm

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, it's been OK. Mostly.

They come at night mostly.


Mostly.

281 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:43:56pm

re: #275 Bubblehead II

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

"Doesn't bother me. The incest, now that bothered me. "To Sail Beyond The Sunset" is a creepy little book in some regards."

Perhaps. But Heinlein also covered that (well before genetic testing was even a wet spot on the sheet of Science) in Number of the Beast as well as a couple of others I can't remember off the top of my head.

Time Enough For Love...he outlined his ideas about sex and marriage

282 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:44:36pm

re: #249 Slumbering Behemoth

Oddly enough, of all the horrific nightmares I've had in my life, not a single one of them was about Freddy Kruger.

Did they involve lime Jell-O?

283 HAL2010  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:48:13pm

I swear I'm not making this up.

Night of the Iowa caucus I dreamt about Ron Paul and Santorum fighting over minced meat. One made burgers, the other meatballs. And some word beginning with "D" kept coming up time and time again. No idea which one though.

I had a stomach bug at the time, so it could of course be that, but still.

Jesus.

284 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:49:40pm

re: #76 ggt

do food stamps even exist anymore?

Missed this. Yes the program still exists only they're not stamps anymore but EBT debit cards.

285 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:52:05pm

re: #284 goddamnedfrank

I imagine that makes the whole thing more affordable tax wise, easier for everybody, and alleviates any bullshit in the check out.

Having been the wee lad of a single mom in the 70's, oh the bullshit.

286 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:54:43pm

Night Lizards. May the Deity of Your Choice Smile Down Upon You.

And don't let the Bed Bugs Bite

287 Stanghazi  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:54:59pm

re: #285 Slumbering Behemoth

I imagine that makes the whole thing more affordable tax wise, easier for everybody, and alleviates any bullshit in the check out.

Having been the wee lad of a single mom in the 70's, oh the bullshit.

Brother. Me too.

288 freetoken  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:56:48pm

Eternal stupidity - the fate of Homo sapiens.

Examples from the today off the news aggregator (just one page of which I scrolled through):

Letter: Global warming proven to be myth

Arvid Pasto, Farragut

A recent letter puts forth the proposition "Warming Real, Documented." The writer states that Earth's temperature is increasing and cites some statistics from NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies. [...]
As a retired scientist with more than 40 years of experience, including 24 years at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, all I can say about all of this is "rubbish."

I have studied the global warming issue and have amassed a huge inventory of peer-reviewed scientific papers showing that, basically, there is not a shred of scientific evidence that mankind is causing Earth's temperature to rise because of carbon dioxide emissions. I can show, through these papers by some of the world's most knowledgeable scientists, major flaws in the global warming alarmism.

[...]

This is straight out of the creationist playbook - somehow "the world's most knowledgeable scientists" are all wrong and some retired tinkerer can prove it!

[continued]

289 freetoken  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:57:03pm

[continued]

#2:


The Fraudsters Who Invent the “Science” of Climate Change

Rael Jean Isaac — January 3, 2012

Rael Jean Isaac Interviews Donna Laframboise, author of The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World’s Top Climate Expert, available from Amazon or, a digital edition, from IvyAvenue.com, 2011.

This is a book about the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), an outfit few know much about if indeed they have heard of it at all. [...]

Journalist Donna Laframboise has exposed the full range of deceptive techniques, at times descending into outright fakery, practiced by the IPCC. [...]

And so forth and so on. It's all a UN plot.

#3:

Global warming a modern-day myth

BRYAN LEYLAND

An enormous amount of misinformation has come out of the climate conference in Durban.

These people refuse to consider the proposition that the climate changes naturally and that any man-made climate influence is small. Instead, they endlessly tell us that the world is warming rapidly, that the warming will be dangerous, that sea levels are rising rapidly and that, if we get a temperature increase of 2 degrees Celsius, we will reach a "tipping point" that will cause untold damage to the world.

[...]

None of these statements are in line with the latest science either from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change or from independent climate scientists who have looked closely at the evidence.

Although the world did warm by about 0.7C between 1975 and 1988, there has been no significant warming since then. All the major temperature records show that global warming has flattened off. [false] Given that the last sunspot cycle was long and that sunspots are declining, we could be in for a period of cooling that may be quite severe. History tells us that cooling brings famine, disease and war, while warming brings prosperity and good health. Only the IPCC and its minions tell us that warming is bad.

Regarding sea levels, the highly accurate sea-level gauges installed around Australia and on the Pacific Islands (including Tuvalu) in the early 1990s showed that sea level rise is small - less than 3mm a year - and that, in recent years, it has levelled off. [...]

And so forth and so on. By carefully picking time intervals the writer comes up with any conclusion he wants, and is demonstrating his own inability to understand the role of statistics in studying physical processes, etc.

290 jaunte  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:58:01pm
291 freetoken  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:58:30pm

In the all these guys, and it is almost always men, are fighting their own positioning battle in their own "group" as defined in their mind.

It's part of the male pattern, and cannot be escaped as a primate. Men want to posture simply by the fact that they are male.

292 Stanghazi  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:00:09pm

re: #290 jaunte

Santorum: I Didn't Say 'Black People,' I Said 'Blah People'

The GOP race is a fucking embarrassment.

293 aagcobb  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:00:17pm

re: #290 jaunte

Santorum: I Didn't Say 'Black People,' I Said 'Blah People'

Liar, liar pants on fire. But since he is trying to put Jeebus back in control of the US instead of Allah, that makes it ok./

294 jaunte  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:00:37pm
295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:01:02pm

re: #289 freetoken

Ya gotta be dumber than a 9/11 troofer to buy into a conspiracy theory like that.

296 jaunte  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:02:12pm

@Gus_802
I see a red door and I want it painted blah. No colors anymore I want them to turn blah.

297 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:03:42pm

re: #291 freetoken

In the all these guys, and it is almost always men, are fighting their own positioning battle in their own "group" as defined in their mind.

It's part of the male pattern, and cannot be escaped as a primate. Men want to posture simply by the fact that they are male.

I'm not sure about that theory Freetoken.

298 freetoken  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:04:20pm

re: #294 jaunte

It's so obvious.

Freud was a pretty smart old coot. There parts of our brains that want to speak out, and if we ever open the door....

299 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:04:37pm

re: #296 jaunte

@Gus_802
I see a red door and I want it painted blah. No colors anymore I want them to turn blah.

Alas someone noticed my Tweet! Thanks. ;)

300 freetoken  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:04:42pm

re: #297 Gus 802

I'm not sure about that theory Freetoken.

I challenge you to a duel of tweets at 20 paces.

301 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:05:38pm

re: #300 freetoken

I challenge you to a duel of tweets at 20 paces.

Choose your weapon sir!

302 jaunte  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:05:43pm

re: #299 Gus 802

I'm an hour behind...

303 bratwurst  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:05:51pm

Whoa...Dick Morris is not only orange colored, he is literally gasping for air. He does not appear to be well.

304 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:07:02pm

re: #296 jaunte
He may not want a red door but Elizabeth Arden certainly does. [Link: shop.elizabetharden.com...]

305 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:07:46pm

re: #303 bratwurst

Whoa...Dick Morris is not only orange colored, he is literally gasping for air. He does not appear to be well.

one should not try to inhale a burrito

306 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:07:53pm

re: #303 bratwurst

Whoa...Dick Morris is not only orange colored, he is literally gasping for air. He does not appear to be well.

Blech. Morris is such a slime bag.

307 jaunte  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:08:17pm

Could Typo Rewrite Caucus History?

Caucus Vote Counter Says Romney Mistakenly Given 20 Votes
Edward True, 28, of Moulton, said he helped count the votes and jotted the results down on a piece of paper to post to his Facebook page. He said when he checked to make sure the Republican Party of Iowa got the count right, he said he was shocked to find they hadn't.

308 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:09:37pm

re: #300 freetoken

I challenge you to a duel of tweets at 20 paces picas.

Thinking of text...

309 freetoken  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:13:23pm

The sound of voices crying in the wilderness:

GOP Climate Hawks Caught On Video

They are a species trying to bolster their waning numbers: GOP climate hawks. Recently I'd heard there would be a gathering of these elusive creatures—Republicans who believe that climate change is real, and a serious threat. So I grabbed my camera to document their behavior in the field. They may be in the political wilderness these days, but they are making their call heard ahead of the all-important New Hampshire primary.

310 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:13:48pm

re: #307 jaunte

Doesn't matter. I was looking forward to hearing Mark Levin go apeshit over Romney winning the caucus, but Obama went and screwed that up by committing the most unconstitutional power grab in history, EVAR! making a recess appointment.

311 albusteve  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:14:04pm

Pink Floyd
Money

312 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:14:42pm

re: #290 jaunte

Santorum: I Didn't Say 'Black People,' I Said 'Blah People'

Uh, I like started to say Blagojevich but stopped part way through the word when I realized it made no sense at all in that context.

313 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:16:09pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

Heinlein does several portrayals of group marriages. It would drive me fucking batty, but it's a favorite fantasy of his, one that he likes to fit into his novels here and there.

Doesn't bother me. The incest, now that bothered me. "To Sail Beyond The Sunset" is a creepy little book in some regards.

Heinlein, post stroke, let his inner perv hang out.

314 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:18:25pm

re: #310 Slumbering Behemoth

Doesn't matter. I was looking forward to hearing Mike Levin go apeshit over Romney winning the caucus, but Obama went and screwed that up by committing the most unconstitutional power grab in history, EVAR! making a recess appointment.

Mark Levin? The one that sounds like a pressure release valve on a steam radiator releasing steam under pressure?

315 Interesting Times  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:19:08pm

re: #289 freetoken

History tells us that cooling brings famine, disease and war, while warming brings prosperity and good health. Only the IPCC and its minions tell us that warming is bad.

Oh holy fucking fruitbats from the very depths of hell, how willfully stupid can one wingnut be? No, I mean really, is it possible for a person to be this dumb? Can't we find a way to criminalize it, or at the very least make it excruciatingly painful? I know! Let's dump Mr. Durr-hurr-warming-always-good right out in the middle of this with an empty water bottle.

316 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:19:09pm

re: #309 freetoken

Republicans for Environmental Protection.

Otherwise known as "Filthy Fuckin' RINO Traitors".

317 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:20:25pm

re: #307 jaunte

Could Typo Rewrite Caucus History?

Oh brother. What a joke this whole Iowa caucus thing is. What is this 1812?

318 freetoken  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:21:41pm

re: #315 publicityStunted

[...] is it possible for a person to be this dumb?

Yes.

319 Kragar  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:21:45pm

re: #317 Gus 802

Oh brother. What a joke this whole Iowa caucus thing is. What is this 1812?

No more political events named after body parts from this point forward!
/

320 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:21:55pm

re: #317 Gus 802

Oh brother. What a joke this whole Iowa caucus thing is. What is this 1812?

are you making an unwelcome overture towards me?

321 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:23:05pm

re: #314 Gus 802

That's who I meant. I edited my post. His voice reminds me of an angry version of Van Driessen.

322 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:23:42pm

re: #320 engineer dog

are you making an unwelcome overture towards me?

No comprendo.

323 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:24:36pm

check

324 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:25:08pm

re: #322 Gus 802

No comprendo.

1812

overture

325 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:25:09pm

Jim "Dim" Hoft made the LA Times.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

326 jaunte  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:25:14pm

Jobs Picture: Claims Fall, Job Creation Surges; Layoffs Ease

Private-sector jobs surged by 325,000, according to ADP and Macroeconomic Advisors, while the government said weekly jobless claims fell 15,000 to 372,000 — still at an elevated level but consistent with recent data showing a consistent if grudging turnaround.

327 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:25:26pm

re: #324 engineer dog

1812

overture

Oooooooooh. Woosh. :)

328 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:25:49pm

re: #323 HoosierHoops

check

Mate

329 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:26:05pm

re: #322 Gus 802

I think he's talking about the midi that would play when someone won at Electronic Stratego.

330 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:28:00pm

re: #325 Gus 802

Jim "Dim" Hoft made the LA Times.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

Meh, stupid but not racist.

331 freetoken  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:33:46pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Meh, stupid but not racist.

Dim Jim by definition does stupid things.

Yet, that article puts the origination of the image in 2010, from our old friend Instapundit. And from that cesspool I do indeed expect tinges of racism.

332 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:34:05pm

Looks like it's official. Iowa Republicans have once again embarrassed their good state. Santorum is now declared the winner.

333 Gus  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:34:55pm

re: #332 Gus 802

Looks like it's official. Iowa Republicans have once again embarrassed their good state. Santorum is now declared the winner.

Not official yet.

334 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:35:58pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

There was a lot of grumbledy-gook on RW radio during xmas about the Obamas going to Hawaii for xmas break.

Willfully glossing over the fact that Hawaii was where Barack was born and raised, they made it all about how they should lead by example and just "stay home" over the holidays during this down economy, rather than going somewhere "exotic" for their xmas vacation.

Had the Obamas made a show of doing just that, the same hacks would likely have pilloried them for "Telling Americans They Shouldn't Visit Their Families on the Holiest Day of the Year".

335 Pip's Squeak  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:36:20pm

re: #193 ggt

Tibet-Nepal is the best known example, probably because it was studied by Prince Peter of Greece and Denmark and because of the popularity of the Himalaya in the West. Another instance is provided by the marriages of the Nayar and of the Nambudiri brahmins in Kerala.

Further, the main characters of the Great-Epic, the Mahabharata, the five Pandava brothers, have a polyandrous marriage with Draupadi.

336 freetoken  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:37:35pm

Reposting another one from today:

The sound of voices crying in the wilderness:

GOP Climate Hawks Caught On Video

They are a species trying to bolster their waning numbers: GOP climate hawks. Recently I'd heard there would be a gathering of these elusive creatures—Republicans who believe that climate change is real, and a serious threat. So I grabbed my camera to document their behavior in the field. They may be in the political wilderness these days, but they are making their call heard ahead of the all-important New Hampshire primary.

337 freetoken  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:38:23pm

... whoops... far too many tabs open....

338 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 6:39:06pm

re: #336 freetoken

I think you meant to leave that upstairs, grandpa.
/:P

339 labman57  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 7:00:31pm

Christianity has as much validity as Scientology, witchcraft, or satan worshipping. All are based on a bunch of voodoo, black magic, and superstitious nonsense.

Well, what do you think? Pretty outrageous statement, eh?

If you are offended, what you are experiencing is some of the pain, anger, and outrage felt by the homosexual community when their lifestyle is equated with pedophilia, incest, polygamy, or bestiality.

Of course, homophobic haters hiding behind the Bible will no doubt indignantly claim that their comparisons are justified whereas the other one is not. Just further evidence of the holier-than-thou self-righteousness, prejudice, and hypocrisy of the socially intolerant so-called "religious right".

340 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 7:06:12pm

re: #335 Pip's Squeak

Tibet-Nepal is the best known example, probably because it was studied by Prince Peter of Greece and Denmark and because of the popularity of the Himalaya in the West. Another instance is provided by the marriages of the Nayar and of the Nambudiri brahmins in Kerala.

Further, the main characters of the Great-Epic, the Mahabharata, the five Pandava brothers, have a polyandrous marriage with Draupadi.

There's the Toda in the Nilgiri Hills of India...who, incidentally, occasionally claims to be descendants of the Pandavas.

341 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jan 5, 2012 9:05:18pm

re: #290 jaunte

Santorum: I Didn't Say 'Black People,' I Said 'Blah People'

e_e

Say it loud, I'm blah and I'm proud.

342 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 6, 2012 12:45:28am

re: #47 RogueOne

There's a lot of that through history that doesn't have anything to do with marriage too. I'm not suggesting arranged/forced marriages to fill harems but I don't 3 legal adults agreeing to a shared living arrangement is any of my business. It's not something I would ever want to do, one spouse is entirely enough, but to each their own.

If you don't believe "marriage" is strictly for 1 man and 1 woman (and I don't) then why not polygamy?

There's nothing wrong with polygamy too.

343 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:34:50am

re: #342 Sergey Romanov

There's nothing wrong with polygamy too.

In theory . Historically, there's been lots wrong with polygamy.

Historically, there's been lots wrong with simple marriage too, but polygamy really is a lot legally and practically trickier.

344 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:03:00am

re: #343 Obdicut

there's been lots wrong with simple marriage too

Exactly.

345 djcelts  Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:25:00am

Here is how his logic works for speed limits:

"If you want to raise the speed limit to 65 then why not allow people to drive drunk?"


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