RNC Official Says NM Governor Disrespected Custer by Meeting American Indians

Yes, a member of the Executive Committee of the Republican National Committee
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Pat Rogers, a Republican National Committee (RNC) leader, is facing calls for his dismissal after telling the staff of Gov. Susana Martinez, R-N.M., that because she agreed to meet with American Indians, she disrespected the memory of Col. George Armstrong Custer.

Custer is infamous for being a U.S. Army commander in the mid-1800s who killed many American Indians during what are historically known as the Indian Wars. He was killed at the Battle of the Little Bighorn in 1876.

Rogers is a GOP lobbyist and partner with the Modrall law firm of Albuquerque, New Mexico. A recent member of the RNC Executive Committee, he is also an RNC National Committeeman for his state. He is currently in Tampa, Florida preparing for the upcoming Republican National Convention.

[…]

‘The state is going to hell,’ Rogers wrote in part of the e-mail. ‘Col. [Allen] Weh would not have dishonored Col. Custer in this manner.’ Weh was a Republican candidate for governor of New Mexico in 2010 who ran against Martinez.

The e-mail was sent following a meeting in June between Martinez and the state’s tribes, according to ProgressNow. It was directed to senior members of the governor’s administration. The governor’s office has not responded to requests for comment.

‘George Armstrong Custer may be regarded as a kind of military hero by Pat Rogers, but to the Native peoples of America Custer represents the bellicose imperialism that was responsible for the systematic slaughter of American Indians throughout this continent,’ according to an e-mail being circulated by ProgressNow.

‘Such a blatantly racist statement against our Native people is offensive from anyone, but to come from a national GOP leader and lobbyist for some of our country’s largest corporations is indefensible,’ said Pat Davis, executive director of ProgressNow New Mexico, in a statement.

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212 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:28:05am

Just... wow.

2 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:30:15am

Who sent those people to Tampa without adult chaperones?

3 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:30:36am

Just give this guy a KKK robe already, sheesh.

4 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:32:26am

Mentioning the Trail of Tears is presumably disrespectful to the brave and honorable memory of Andrew Jackson.

5 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:32:42am

I'm worn out already. I can't believe these people. The Republican Party is a horrible mess and it's revolting to think that close to 50 percent of the American people share these racist views.

6 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:43:27am

That dimwit is going to wish they hadn't killed the 99-week unemployment extension.

7 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:50:12am

So until somebody digs up Custer for proper respect no real Amercians can meet with any Native Americans. /

8 SpaceJesus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:55:00am

Haha, I did an on campus interview with Modrall. Really glad I didnt pursue that now

9 nines09  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:59:51am

There goes the Native American Vote.

10 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:07:59pm

I've figured it out. Pat Rogers is secretly a gamer and his favorite game is Custer's Revenge. That's the only explanation that makes any sense for derp of that magnitude.

11 Kragar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:08:41pm

Seriously?

Pat must be one of those guys who thinks the Trail of Tears was a great moment in US history.

12 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:08:44pm

You have got to be kidding me...

13 S'latch  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:09:00pm

George Custer, and maybe Andrew Jackson too, should posthumously switch parties and become Republicans.

14 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:09:13pm

re: #11 Kragar

Seriously?

Pat must be one of those guys who thinks the Trail of Tears was a great moment in US history.

The Trail of Tears brought the Native Americans to Jesus!

///

15 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:11:47pm
16 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:11:58pm

I was going to post that photo of the Native American shedding a tear, but image upload is disabled on IE8, and anyway that "Native American" is really an Italian-American.

17 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:12:13pm

I would hate to think of what Bishop Mitt's positions were during the Civil Rights Era.
The apple fell far from the tree and rolled down a hill when it comes to George and Mitt.

The link is to a few quotes from past Mormon presidents concerning civil rights. You know, from Mitt's roll models.

Most of you guys already know this stuff I'm sure, but I had to put it out there.

18 Four More Beers  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:12:51pm

You'd figure that they would have held all this crap in until they all got to Tampa, but I guess it was too combustible.

19 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:12:58pm

re: #17 OhNoZombies!

I would hate to think of what Bishop Mitt's positions were during the Civil Rights Era.
The apple fell far from the tree and rolled down a hill when it comes to George and Mitt.

The apple fell down a fucking mineshaft. No wonder Romney is so in love with fossil fuel.

20 Donna Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:13:43pm

What a moron, or as that great character in cartoon history Bugs Bunny once said, what a maroon! You would think that in this time of political correctness and hypersensitivity that there people would be watching what they say and who they say it too! Sheesh.....

BTW, Hi everybody! Happy Friday to you all! ;-)

21 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:14:29pm

re: #17 OhNoZombies!

I would hate to think of what Bishop Mitt's positions were during the Civil Rights Era.
The apple fell far from the tree and rolled down a hill when it comes to George and Mitt.

The link is to a few quotes from past Mormon presidents concerning civil rights. You know, from Mitt's roll models.

Most of you guys already know this stuff I'm sure, but I had to put it out there.

Yeah, I've read about the Mormon stuff in regards to race. Nasty, nasty stuff. Romney's own father actually stood up to a lot of it but seeing what I've seen from him the past few years, I think Mitt would have just gone with it. Much like how he went from vowing to be more progressive than Teddy Kennedy on LGBT rights to becoming very anti gay rights.

22 Four More Beers  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:15:42pm
George Armstrong Custer may be regarded as a kind of military hero by Pat Rogers, but to the Native peoples of America Custer represents the bellicose imperialism that was responsible for the systematic slaughter of American Indians throughout this continent,’ according to an e-mail being circulated by ProgressNow.

Why is it that that mass murderers, lunatics and assassins always have three names?

23 Donna Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:15:55pm

Today is the first day of my openly using my real name to blog here at LGF, you all knew me as Dragon_Lady, wifey to RWC aka Daniel Ballard.

24 dragonath  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:16:26pm

re: #17 OhNoZombies!

The apple fell off the tree, rolled down off the side of the Grand Canyon, washed down the Colorado and over the Hoover Dam.

25 Charleston Chew  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:16:43pm

Back in February, Olympia Snowe said that politicians have to

understand that you have to have tolerance for all philosophical views. It's a big tent,

She pointed out that even President Ronald Reagan prescribed to that philosophy.

That's going to be important for us in supporting a presidential candidate if we want to win.

Visual approximation of the size of GOP's current tent.

26 makeitstopghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:17:29pm

re: #11 Kragar

Seriously?

Pat must be one of those guys who thinks the Trail of Tears was a great moment in US history.

It was a character-builder.
///

27 Kragar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:19:33pm

Black vote: Gone
Latino vote: Gone
Native American vote: Gone

What's next?

28 S'latch  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:19:48pm

Maybe George Armstrong Custer could be considered martyr in the fight for the rights of immigrants to this country.

29 Charleston Chew  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:19:57pm

re: #18 Changing Colors, Spinning Yarns

You'd figure that they would have held all this crap in until they all got to Tampa, but I guess it was too combustible.

I'm sure this is just the prelude to Tampa. It's gonna be a crazy week.

30 makeitstopghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:20:05pm

re: #27 Kragar

Black vote: Gone
Latino vote: Gone
Native American vote: Gone

What's next?

You forgot women: gone.

31 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:20:08pm

re: #27 Kragar

we haven't gotten to the asian vote yet.

32 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:20:17pm

What's even more stupid and absurd is I'm pretty sure this wasn't even the tribe at Little Bighorn. Not that it matters a damn big. Do we disrespect our WWII veterans when we meet with Germans in this guy's world or does he only apply that standard to Native Americans because they're "savages" and "not Christian."

33 Donna Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:20:41pm

The trail of tears was a very sad and tragic time in our history and I for one hope its never ever repeated in any country anywhere! I cried in History class when I was in High School when we had to read that chapter... Got me all kinds of teasing and bullying for the rest of the semester and beyond!

34 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:20:47pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

I absolutely agree.
I have some of the quotes regarding, women, abortion, and gays too. I'ts just as ugly and backwards.
I'm convinced Mitt just went back to what he already believed, and the LDS church probably has a keen eye on the bishop as well.

35 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:20:57pm

re: #31 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

we haven't gotten to the asian vote yet.

Give them time, they'll find a way. They always find a way.

36 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:21:10pm

re: #27 Kragar

Black vote: Gone
Latino vote: Gone
Native American vote: Gone

What's next?

Neidermeyer: GONE

37 abolitionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:21:23pm

The US Marines talked to some Navajos during ww2 - Codetalkers

Each Navajo recruit was paired with a guardian, whose primary standing order was to protect the asset. Not so well known, this meant killing the guy if he was ever about to be captured by the enemy.

They didn't teach that part in my schooling. Had to learn it from a movie. The asset was secrecy, not the men.

38 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:21:41pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

look for "When's the last time anyone heard a good chink joke?" ala Ralphie May, difference is Ralphie is a comedian and funny.

39 Four More Beers  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:21:45pm

I just saw that Stiff went birther today with that "joke" of his. Romney, you have got to be fucking kidding me. I know you'll bend and flip-flop and change views on a dime for a vote, but that is pathetic even for you. Fucking donkey.

40 Four More Beers  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:22:10pm

re: #30 makeitstop

You forgot women: gone.

Gay vote: gone.

41 JamesWI  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:22:36pm

re: #27 Kragar

Black vote: Gone
Latino vote: Gone
Native American vote: Gone

What's next?

Well, not "next" but the Muslim vote has already been gone for a while. Now we just need some prominent wingnut openly hoping for the destruction of Israel so the End Times can begin, and they'll nearly be finished with upsetting every race/religion other than white Christians!

42 Kragar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:23:33pm

re: #31 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

we haven't gotten to the asian vote yet.

GOP: US-Chinese relations tarred by Pearl Harbor bombing.
///

43 dragonfire1981  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:23:38pm

You remember that old commercial where the Native American looks at the pile of trash and sheds a tear?

That about sums this up for me.

44 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:23:44pm

He's losing the youth vote too. When all is said and done I think the one thing that will come out is the re-branding of the GOP as, not a southern/regional party but as a party of bigoted religious fanatics comprised of old white people.

45 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:23:44pm

re: #34 OhNoZombies!

I'm convinced Mitt just went back to what he already believed, and the LDS church probably has a keen eye on the bishop as well.

Mitt's a live-and-let-live kinda guy, but it's manifested itself in a very ugly way.

It's kinda weird; I'm not sure Mitt and I are so very far apart on a lot of social issues. He, too, doesn't really care what you do in your bedroom or whatever. The key difference is he doesn't really care about the importance of people not really caring (and therefore not having the chance to legislate their views on others).

46 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:23:48pm

re: #40 Changing Colors, Spinning Yarns

Gay vote: gone.

Ahteist vote: gone
Jewish vote: gone

47 JeffM70  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:23:54pm

There sure are a lot of these "isolated" incidents of nativism for what is supposed to be a small percentage of Republicans.

48 S'latch  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:24:15pm

Irish Setter Vote: Strapped to the Roof of the Bus and Gone.

49 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:24:15pm

re: #41 JamesWI

Well, not "next" but the Muslim vote has already been gone for a while. Now we just need some prominent wingnut openly hoping for the destruction of Israel so the End Times can begin, and they'll nearly be finished with upsetting every race/religion other than white Christians!

What's funny about the Muslim vote is that I remember Bush making a large effort to and he did successful capture it in 2000. I can remember my Muslims' friends and their parents liking Bush more than Gore because they felt his values on social issues and economics were closer to theirs. Hell Bush even made a Muslim ambassador to the UN. I can't imagine that now given that Pamela Geller's approach to Muslims is more popular within the GOP than GW BUsh's/

50 Four More Beers  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:24:32pm

re: #46 Gus

Ahteist vote: gone
Jewish vote: gone

LGF Lizard Community: Gone.

51 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:24:44pm

re: #46 Gus

Ahteist vote: gone
Jewish vote: gone

In fairness to Mittbot, these (and the youth) were pretty much gone already. The alienation of the non-old non-WASP vote has been a long and dedicated campaign on the part of the GOP.

52 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:24:49pm

re: #25 Charleston Chew

Visual approximation of the size of GOP's current tent.

lol

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:24:54pm

re: #16 Learned Mother of Zion

I was going to post that photo of the Native American shedding a tear, but image upload is disabled on IE8, and anyway that "Native American" is really an Italian-American.

That's OK. I'm not a Native American, and I'm shedding tears here. Tears of hysterical laughter.

What does this man want? State officials never to talk to Native Americans again until they apologize for beating Custer in battle? I don't think even Custer was crazy enough to expect that.

54 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:24:54pm

re: #50 Changing Colors, Spinning Yarns

LGF Lizard Community: Gone.

Springsteen Fan Vote: Gone

55 dragonfire1981  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:24:57pm

re: #48 S'latch

Irish Setter Vote: Strapped to the Roof of the Bus and Gone.

That was beautiful.

56 makeitstopghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:25:08pm

re: #40 Changing Colors, Spinning Yarns

Gay vote: gone.

Yeah. Except for the Stockholm Syndrome Log Cabin Republicans.

I swear I'll never, ever understand that.

57 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:25:12pm

Scientist Vote: Gone

58 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:25:39pm

re: #50 Changing Colors, Spinning Yarns

LGF Lizard Community: Gone.

AND LO WAS THE ELECTION LOST THAT DAY

/

59 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:25:41pm

re: #56 makeitstop

Yeah. Except for the Stockholm Syndrome Log Cabin Republicans.

I swear I'll never, ever understand that.

LOG Cabin = rich white gay males.

60 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:25:42pm

Youth vote, gone.

61 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:25:58pm

re: #33 Donna Ballard

The trail of tears was a very sad and tragic time in our history and I for one hope its never ever repeated in any country anywhere! I cried in History class when I was in High School when we had to read that chapter... Got me all kinds of teasing and bullying for the rest of the semester and beyond!

...because being human is such a weakness.

//assholes

62 JeffM70  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:26:09pm

On the bright side the Republicans are locking in the batshit crazy demographic.

63 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:26:14pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Youth vote, gone.

Chicano Vote: gone

64 Four More Beers  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:26:22pm

re: #57 Gus

Scientist Vote: Gone

Union vote: LOOOOONG GONE.

65 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:26:38pm

But George Obama!!11ty

//

66 Four More Beers  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:26:54pm

Religious zealot vote: Achieved!

67 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:26:56pm

re: #64 Changing Colors, Spinning Yarns

Union vote: LOOOOONG GONE.

Teachers vote: gone

68 Charleston Chew  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:27:16pm

re: #31 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

we haven't gotten to the asian vote yet.

Republican ads featuring Asian-Americans have not gone over so well:

Youtube Video
69 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:27:27pm

Sane vote. gone.

70 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:27:39pm

re: #66 Changing Colors, Spinning Yarns

Religious zealot vote: Achieved!

ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED

71 Four More Beers  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:27:43pm

re: #67 Gus

Teachers vote: gone

Sasha & Malia's vote (I know, they're not old enough): Gone.

72 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:27:44pm

re: #68 Charleston Chew

I totally forgot about that one!

73 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:28:39pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

What's funny about the Muslim vote is that I remember Bush making a large effort to and he did successful capture it in 2000. I can remember my Muslims' friends and their parents liking Bush more than Gore because they felt his values on social issues and economics were closer to theirs. Hell Bush even made a Muslim ambassador to the UN. I can't imagine that now given that Pamela Geller's approach to Muslims is more popular within the GOP than GW BUsh's/

I should ask my conservative sister if she's going to vote for Romney. She converted to Islam last year and married a dude from Algeria whom she met on the internet.

74 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:28:56pm

re: #68 Charleston Chew

Republican ads featuring Asian-Americans have not gone over so well:

[Embedded content]

Asians, Mexican, what's the difference?

//Sharron Angle

//

75 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:28:56pm

re: #68 Charleston Chew

Republican ads featuring Asian-Americans have not gone over so well:


[Embedded content]

I had forgotten about that one. Really they're lucky that there's a lot of fairly wealthy old white people because that's keeping their party viable. Their party with its current ideology is screwed long term.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:29:30pm

re: #73 Sionainn

I should ask my conservative sister if she's going to vote for Romney. She converted to Islam last year and married a dude from Algeria whom she met on the internet.

People who marry people from other countries who they meet on the internet, I generally don't have much faith in their judgement, to be honest.

77 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:29:34pm

Witch Vote: gone

78 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:30:45pm

Romney really could have paid 0% in taxes in 2009

79 Charleston Chew  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:30:49pm

re: #70 erik_t

ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED

That achievement comes with a significant debuff to one's appeal to a lot of other voters.

80 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:30:55pm

re: #77 Gus

Witch Vote: gone

Witches are made of wood, wood is made of trees, trees are made of hippies, hippies are made of pepper spray, peppers are made of Mexican. And Mexicans are not 'Murrican.

It's science.

81 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:31:12pm

re: #74 Gus

Asians, Mexican, what's the difference?

//Sharron Angle

//

Good memory.

82 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:31:18pm

re: #78 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Romney really could have paid 0% in taxes in 2009

Uninteresting. Some guy from CNN told me so.

83 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:31:36pm

re: #80 erik_t

Witches are made of wood, wood is made of trees, trees are made of hippies, hippies are made of pepper spray, peppers are made of Mexican. And Mexicans are not 'Murrican.

It's science.

Hmm. Good point.

84 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:31:47pm

If he paid 0% taxes in 2009, people should be furious.

85 Kragar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:32:06pm

NIEDERMEYER? GONE

Wait a sec...

86 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:32:11pm

From Wikipedia:

New Mexico, along with Hawaii, California and Texas, is a minority-majority state, that is, a state where non-Hispanic whites represent less than half of the population.

According to the 2010 Census, 68.4% of the population was White (40.5% non-Hispanic white), 2.1% was Black or African American, 9.4% American Indian and Alaska Native, 1.4% Asian, 0.1% Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islander, 3.7% from two or more races. 46.3% of the total population was of Hispanic or Latino origin (they may be of any race).[38]
Race/Ethnicity in New Mexico (2010)[39]
White 68.4%
• Non-Hispanic white 40.5%
Black/African American 2.1%
Asian 1.4%
American Indian 9.4%
Pacific Islander 0.1%
Other 15.0%
Two or more races 3.7%
Hispanic/Latino (of any race) 46.3%

According to the United States Census Bureau, 1.5% of the population is Multiracial/Mixed-Race, a population larger than both the Asian and NHPI population groups.[36] In 2008 New Mexico had the highest percentage (45%) of Hispanics (of any race) of any state,[40] with 83% of these native-born and 17% foreign-born.[41] The majority of Hispanics in New Mexico claim a Spanish ancestry, especially in the northern part of the state. These people are the descendants of Spanish colonists who arrived during the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries. The state also has a large Native American population, second in percentage behind that of Alaska.[36][42]

...

In 1995, the state adopted a State Bilingual Song, New Mexico - Mi Lindo Nuevo México.[53]:75,81 In 1989, New Mexico became the first state to officially adopt the English Plus resolution,[51] and in 2008, the first to officially adopt a Navajo textbook for use in public schools.[54]

87 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:32:16pm
88 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:33:02pm

re: #85 Kragar

NIEDERMEYER? GONE

Wait a sec...

He's more like Greg. Niedermeyer actually was in Vietnam. I mean he did get fragged, true, but he was there at least rather than protesting in favor of it and then doing mission work in France. Yeah I went there because Romney's an asshole for protesting for the draft and then doing missionary work in France.

89 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:33:48pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

People who marry people from other countries who they meet on the internet, I generally don't have much faith in their judgement, to be honest.

LOL! If there is a bad decision to be made, my sister will make it. It really is amazing that she came from my parents. Proof that some people definitely are born that way.

*side note: She originally converted to LDS when she married her second husband. After he divorced her, she found this guy online and converted to Islam.

90 AK-47%  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:33:56pm

re: #5 Gus

I'm worn out already. I can't believe these people. The Republican Party is a horrible mess and it's revolting to think that close to 50 percent of the American people share these racist views.

Don't know if they share them, but they seem comfortable tolerating them or are at least unaware of them.

91 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:34:22pm

re: #45 erik_t

I used to cut the guy some slack.
Politics are politics, but he doesn't stand up to the worst elements of the GOP. He's either weak, or, on some level, he agrees with them.
Between the "black people want free stuff" and the birther "joke", I can't do it anymore.
I'm taking it personally, and it is because of Mitt's actions.

92 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:35:21pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

If he paid 0% taxes in 2009, people should be furious.

As has been repeated ad nauseam, if it was legal then that's something. But he's worked like the very devil to keep it hidden, and that means that he's taken actions that he's ashamed to stand behind.

That's what most disgusts me. Fucking own your actions, or don't take them.

93 Four More Beers  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:35:26pm

Satan's vote: gone.

94 dragonath  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:35:30pm

I see it's being reported that Romney's gonna do a shout out to the Mormon church at the convention. That oughta go over well with the fundamentalists.

95 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:35:31pm

re: #89 Sionainn

LOL! If there is a bad decision to be made, my sister will make it. It really is amazing that she came from my parents. Proof that some people definitely are born that way.

*side note: She originally converted to LDS when she married her second husband. After he divorced her, she found this guy online and converted to Islam.

That's interesting that she converted from LDS. Father of a friend I grew up with apparently converted to Islam and started a second family in Morocco. As for meeting people online from overseas. Sometimes it works. My cousin met her husband online and they just celebrated five years and they're having kid number two this winter. Doesn't hurt that cousin in law works for David Gilmour of Pink Floyd though of course he's awesome aside from that.

96 Charleston Chew  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:35:33pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Really they're lucky that there's a lot of fairly wealthy old white people because that's keeping their party viable.

In this way Republicans are like show dogs. Unhealthy inbreeds as the playthings of rich people. The Grand Old Kennel Club.

97 AK-47%  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:35:34pm

re: #31 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

we haven't gotten to the asian vote yet.

They will make some cracks about not being able to trust Japanese after Pearl Harbor or something...just give them time.

98 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:36:19pm

re: #92 erik_t

As has been repeated ad nauseam, if it was legal then that's something. But he's worked like the very devil to keep it hidden, and that means that he's taken actions that he's ashamed to stand behind.

That's what most disgusts me. Fucking own your actions, or don't take them.

He's the only candidate I think going way way back that hasn't released his taxes. Makes one think he's hiding something. But yeah own up but Mitt won't and can't do that.

99 Four More Beers  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:36:59pm

re: #94 dragonath

I see it's being reported that Romney's gonna do a shout out to the Mormon church at the convention. That oughta go over well with the fundamentalists.

Can you even imagine Romney saying this?: "And I gotta give a shout out to my Mormon peeps at BYU. Y'all mothafuckas know how to party it up all in this bitch!"

100 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:37:06pm

re: #97 Expand Your Ground

They will make some cracks about not being able to trust Japanese after Pearl Harbor or something...just give them time.

I'm pretty sure that was the Germans.

(just gonna run this Animal House thing into the ground)

101 Four More Beers  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:37:37pm

re: #100 erik_t

I'm pretty sure that was the Germans.

(just gonna run this Animal House thing into the ground)

NOTHING IS OVER UNTIL WE SAY IT IS!!!

102 AK-47%  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:38:42pm

re: #59 Gus

LOG Cabin = rich white gay males.

This is a group of people who are attracted to the economics side of the GOP: people who have not had families to slow down their careers and tie down their finances with things like mortgages for that suburban home or college funds are fine with a low-tax, small government ideology.

But gays are an abdomintation unto God, even if they still close their eyes and vote GOP

103 gwangung  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:39:07pm

re: #97 Expand Your Ground

They will make some cracks about not being able to trust Japanese after Pearl Harbor or something...just give them time.

Oh, they'll say Asians are OK, they're basically "honorary white people."

104 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:39:15pm
105 Kragar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:39:16pm

re: #100 erik_t

I'm pretty sure that was the Germans.

(just gonna run this Animal House thing into the ground)

"Will you stop talking about the war?"
"Well, you started it!"
"No we didn't!"
"Yes you did! You invaded Poland!"

/Switched up to Fawlty Towers

106 AK-47%  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:40:15pm

re: #103 gwangung

Oh, they'll say Asians are OK, they're basically "honorary white people."

Hitler once referred to the Japanese as "the Prussians of Asia"

107 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:41:55pm

re: #93 Changing Colors, Spinning Yarns

Satan's vote: gone.

Even Satan.

108 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:42:05pm

*facepalm*

Limbaugh blames Obama for shooting at Empire State Building

109 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:42:47pm

re: #108 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

*facepalm*

Limbaugh blames Obama for shooting at Empire State Building

Better let Barflytom know about that. No wait. He probably heard it live.

110 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:44:29pm

re: #108 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

*facepalm*

Limbaugh blames Obama for shooting at Empire State Building

But of course. Is anything not Obama's fault in asshole's eyes?

111 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:47:15pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

But of course. Is anything not Obama's fault in asshole's eyes?

WWII. Obama done it!

112 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:47:49pm

re: #111 Gus

WWII. Obama done it!

slavery, Obama's fault. Rush's drug addiction, Obama's fault.

113 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:47:51pm
114 makeitstopghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:47:52pm

New excuse, incoming!

Romney: Contributions to Mormon Church Stop Him From Releasing Tax Returns

HOPKINS, Minn. - Mitt Romney has offered a new explanation for his resistance to releasing more than two years of tax returns, telling Parade Magazine that he never intended for the amount of money he gives to the Mormon church to be made public.

"Our church doesn't publish how much people have given," Romney told Parade Magazine in an interview that will appear in the August 26 issue of the magazine.

"This is done entirely privately," he said. "One of the downsides of releasing one's financial information is that this is now all public, but we had never intended our contributions to be known. It's a very personal thing between ourselves and our commitment to our God and to our church."

Ann Romney, who joined her husband for the interview, added, "When Mitt and I give that check, I actually cry."

Anybody buying this? Anyone? Bueller?

115 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:48:05pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

That's interesting that she converted from LDS. Father of a friend I grew up with apparently converted to Islam and started a second family in Morocco. As for meeting people online from overseas. Sometimes it works. My cousin met her husband online and they just celebrated five years and they're having kid number two this winter. Doesn't hurt that cousin in law works for David Gilmour of Pink Floyd though of course he's awesome aside from that.

This guy is 11 years younger than she is. She's a tattooed, 41-year-old, twice divorced, apparently bipolar (according to her), mother of 4 (one adult autistic son, two others with other issues, and one with no issues that I know of). If it actually works, I'll be surprised. Until then, I haven't really talked to her about her husband because I don't want to be part of another one of her bad decisions.

We were all baptized Catholic and went to Easter service with my grandparents when we were kids, but that was it on any type of religious upbringing. God was never talked about in my house and religion wasn't practiced. We do come from Mormons dating back to around the 1850s or so.

116 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:49:15pm

re: #111 Gus

well maybe the japs did bomb hawaii/pearl harbor in order to prevent Obama being born because they travelled to the future and saw what would happen if Obama won a second term.

//only half kidding.

117 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:50:10pm

re: #114 makeitstop

New excuse, incoming!

Romney: Contributions to Mormon Church Stop Him From Releasing Tax Returns

Anybody buying this? Anyone? Bueller?

Sounds like a cop out. Really, it's nice that they give money ot their church but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have to release their tax records.

118 Kragar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:50:21pm

First Obama killed the dinosaurs, then he wouldn't let us drill them up for oil
//

119 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:50:27pm
120 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:50:36pm

my lesson for the day in how to speak amurican for my indian and asian engineer buddies:

"thingamajig", "whoseewhatsis", "whatchamacallit"

121 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:51:16pm

re: #119 darthstar

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I see that Andy is in the comic tradition of "Always a bit of truth behind the humor."

122 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:51:21pm

re: #120 engineer cat

my lesson for the day in how to speak amurican for my indian and asian engineer buddies:

"thingamajig", "whoseewhatsis", "whatchamacallit"

You forgot doohickey.

123 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:51:28pm

re: #114 makeitstop

"Our church doesn't publish how much people have given," Romney told Parade Magazine in an interview that will appear in the August 26 issue of the magazine."

Well your church isn't running for President, dipshit. And we're not asking for the donation amounts of other churchgoers, dipshit.

And your wife already told us how much you tithe to two significant digits, dipshit.

124 makeitstopghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:51:31pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Sounds like a cop out. Really, it's nice that they give money ot their church but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have to release their tax records.

Actually, they're required to tithe.

I believe that if they could avoid it, they would.

125 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:51:40pm

re: #118 Kragar

First Obama killed the dinosaurs, then he wouldn't let us drill them up for oil
//

Mommy? Who killed Jesus?

//

126 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:51:51pm

re: #118 Kragar

First Obama killed the dinosaurs, then he wouldn't let us drill them up for oil
//

don't you know that oil comes from god?

127 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:52:21pm

re: #114 makeitstop

New excuse, incoming!

Romney: Contributions to Mormon Church Stop Him From Releasing Tax Returns

Anybody buying this? Anyone? Bueller?

If he doesn't want anyone to know how much he gave to the LDS church, he shouldn't have used it as a "charitable deduction."

128 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:52:38pm

re: #124 makeitstop

Actually, they're required to tithe.

I believe that if they could avoid it, they would.

It wouldn't shock me. Really, he only makes himself look worse the more he tries to make excuses. It's not going away. I am really starting to think he's hiding something illegal or really damaging.

129 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:52:44pm

re: #114 makeitstop

Ummm, no.
Black that portion out with a marker.
Try again Mittens.

130 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:52:56pm

re: #122 darthstar

You forgot doohickey.

there's no end to these here thingamabobs oncet you git started

131 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:53:06pm

So has Ann Romney played her martyr card at 11 and now claiming she "now knows how Martin Luther King felt?"

//

132 Kragar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:53:11pm

re: #126 engineer cat

don't you know that oil comes from god?

I'll believe in god when eagles divebomb Tampa with tortoises.

133 AK-47%  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:53:30pm

re: #127 Sionainn

If he doesn't want anyone to know how much he gave to the LDS church, he shouldn't have used it as a "charitable deduction."

Exactly. He could have donated the money annonymously.

134 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:53:45pm

re: #116 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

well maybe the japs did bomb hawaii/pearl harbor in order to prevent Obama being born because they travelled to the future and saw what would happen if Obama won a second term.

//only half kidding.

"Japs"?

135 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:53:47pm

re: #114 makeitstop

considering he and Ann have bragged about tithing it's just another bullshit excuse from a dishonest idiot.

136 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:54:28pm

Clueless spin...

Edit. See #138.

137 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:54:49pm

re: #134 Sionainn

probably should have capitalized it but was going for wingnut snark complete with improper grammar.

138 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:55:00pm

re: #136 Gus

Clueless spin...

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Oops... Wrong one... this one!

139 Kragar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:55:04pm

re: #136 Gus

Clueless spin...

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He forgot torches and pitchforks

140 makeitstopghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:55:07pm

re: #133 Expand Your Ground

Exactly. He could have donated the money annonymously.

But that would have damaged his rep as a player with the church - which he obviously loves. People pay attention to you and treat you nice when you give them a lot of money.

141 gwangung  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:55:09pm

re: #134 Sionainn

"Japs"?

Well, the GOP won't use "gooks" or "slants". They aren't racists, after all...

142 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:55:36pm

re: #124 makeitstop

Actually, they're required to tithe.

I believe that if they could avoid it, they would.

I think that's one of the reasons he won't release his tax records...he didn't tithe 10%.

143 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:56:02pm

Not sure where this happened, but I like it.

Image: 376878_10151119356953908_1655819177_n.jpg

144 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:56:54pm

re: #141 gwangung

Well, the GOP won't use "gooks" or "slants". They aren't racists, after all...

oh, naturally, of course, god forbid - as they will be sure to tell you, "i'm not a racist, but...

145 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:57:02pm

re: #138 Gus

Oops... Wrong one... this one!

Republicans failing to understand the concept of context, example no. 59287.

146 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:57:17pm

re: #124 makeitstop

Actually, they're required to tithe.

I believe that if they could avoid it, they would.

That's right -- Mormons are required to tithe. It's considered a commandment directly from God. Obviously, they don't get thrown in jail if they don't tithe, but it's not just a request, it's mandatory in their religion.

That's why Romney shouldn't be allowed to get away with claiming this as "charity." It's not charity if it's mandatory.

147 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:57:58pm

re: #137 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

probably should have capitalized it but was going for wingnut snark complete with improper grammar.

Okay, thanks for the explanation. If it had been in wingnut purple, I wouldn't have questioned it.

148 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:58:44pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

That's right -- Mormons are required to tithe. It's considered a commandment directly from God. Obviously, they don't get thrown in jail if they don't tithe, but it's not just a request, it's mandatory in their religion.

That's why Romney shouldn't be allowed to get away with claiming this as "charity." It's not charity if it's mandatory.

Essentially we now have Mitt Romney hiding behind his religion.

149 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:59:01pm

re: #138 Gus

Oops... Wrong one... this one!

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Dang it, Gus! I spent time trying to figure out what was clueless about the other one!

150 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:59:40pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

Watch Proposition 8: The Mormon Proposition. The Mormon church knew, based on tithing data, how much to hit up each of their members for in order to help run the prop 8 campaign here in California. Mitt Romney gave a lot of money to the church for that campaign as well. The church demanded it.

151 Donna Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 12:59:51pm

re: #108 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Sweetie, Rush will blame the Dems and Obama for anything! He's totally off the deep end these days! Back when I was a member of the Republican party, and Rush was just starting out, he had some pretty good points but these days he's a just another mouth piece for the wackos that run the party and the religious extremists that have hijacked the party that used to represent the common people that make up this great country of ours. I stopped listening to him a long time ago. I really don't like screaming my self hoarse at the TV or radio, it makes me look crazy and that's how people like that make me fell. Like an out of control pendulum, the Republican Party has swung so far away from the center of reasonableness that its completely out of sight. Its one of a dozen reason I left the Republican Party and until they wise up and go back to where they use to be I'll never join them again...I long for the more centrist days that I remember the Republican Party was when I joined.... Sigh.

152 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:00:10pm

re: #147 Sionainn

i keep using the "//" and forgetting to use the wingnut tags.

153 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:00:29pm

re: #149 Sionainn

Dang it, Gus! I spent time trying to figure out what was clueless about the other one!

Fixed.

154 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:00:48pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

That's right -- Mormons are required to tithe. It's considered a commandment directly from God. Obviously, they don't get thrown in jail if they don't tithe, but it's not just a request, it's mandatory in their religion.

That's why Romney shouldn't be allowed to get away with claiming this as "charity." It's not charity if it's mandatory.

More relevantly, a church isn't a damned charity. Gilding whatever liturgical object you care to name isn't a charitable cause. If LDS demanded he give 10% of his total earnings to, say, the Gates Foundation, and he did so, this would be a very different conversation.

155 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:01:06pm

re: #137 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

probably should have capitalized it but was going for wingnut snark complete with improper grammar.

I figured you were doing that. Obviously. That you were "in voice."

156 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:01:11pm

Lazy excuse.
He could at least make me feel special, and not like some easy bar hook-up.

157 Mattand  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:01:55pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

That's right -- Mormons are required to tithe. It's considered a commandment directly from God. Obviously, they don't get thrown in jail if they don't tithe, but it's not just a request, it's mandatory in their religion.

That's why Romney shouldn't be allowed to get away with claiming this as "charity." It's not charity if it's mandatory.

It's also not a freaking tax, which he seems to conflate it to sometimes.

158 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:03:15pm

re: #157 Mattand

that's the thing, when he says he pays 13% in taxes and then adds in what he gives to his church he reveals the reality that he sees taxes as charity.

159 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:03:39pm

Speaking of bars...
I'll see you guys later !

160 dragonfire1981  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:03:39pm

I really hope there's no violence at either convention, but particularly the Democratic convention.

161 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:03:48pm

re: #114 makeitstop

New excuse, incoming!

Romney: Contributions to Mormon Church Stop Him From Releasing Tax Returns

Anybody buying this? Anyone? Bueller?

This part:

Ann Romney, who joined her husband for the interview, added, "When Mitt and I give that check, I actually cry."

requires more info. Was it the tax check or the tithing check?

162 dragonfire1981  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:03:58pm

re: #158 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

that's the thing, when he says he pays 13% in taxes and then adds in what he gives to his church he reveals the reality that he sees taxes as charity.

"Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?"

163 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:04:00pm
164 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:04:39pm

Martin Bashir is just hammering Romney again.

165 Mattand  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:05:16pm

re: #161 wrenchwench

This part:

requires more info. Was it the tax check or the tithing check?

They might be worried that the money will be used to help poor people.

Or gay couples.

Or immigrants.

Just spitballin' here...

166 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:05:32pm

re: #138 Gus

Oops... Wrong one... this one!

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Is Malkin some kind of moron? POTUS joking about the birth certificate crap is totally different than Romney saying "No one's asked about mine" and then having people asked later about it saying they don't believe the president was born here. She really is a hack if she seriously thinks that Obama joking about it and Romney are comparable especially given the fact Romney hs surrogates who are birthers.

167 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:06:10pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Is Malkin some kind of moron? POTUS joking about the birth certificate crap is totally different than Romney saying "No one's asked about mine" and then having people asked later about it saying they don't believe the president was born here. She really is a hack if she seriously thinks that Obama joking about it and Romney are comparable especially given the fact Romney hs surrogates who are birthers.

Yes.

168 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:06:39pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Is Malkin some kind of moron?

Yes.

She wrote a book defending internment camps. That tells me all I need to know about her.

169 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:06:55pm

has mitt proffered up a lame-ass sorry excuse for a reason explanation for his birther crack yet?

170 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:07:00pm

re: #152 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

i keep using the "//" and forgetting to use the wingnut tags.

I should have realized that. Sorry. :-)

171 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:07:02pm

Remember how Andrew Breitbart always spoke out against birtherism? Maybe just a little bit?

172 Mattand  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:07:05pm

re: #160 dragonfire1981

I really hope there's no violence at either convention, but particularly the Democratic convention.

Agree. It's a good thing one party is making it as easy as possible to bring guns into the convention floor.

173 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:08:06pm

"I'm not going to let that bastard Mitt Romney dominate the news with his derp!"

Todd Akin To Hold Press Conference At 5:15 ET

174 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:08:07pm

re: #169 engineer cat

has mitt proffered up a lame-ass sorry excuse for a reason explanation for his birther crack yet?

They're claiming that it was just a reference to his hometown but he said birth certificate so lame-ass excuse works here :).

175 makeitstopghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:08:21pm

re: #157 Mattand

It's also not a freaking tax, which he seems to conflate it to sometimes.

'Conflate is putting it mildly.

"I think the most recent year is 13.6 or something like that," Romney said.

Then he continued: "If you add in, in addition, the amount that goes to charity, why the number gets well above 20 percent."

He adds in the 10% tithe, refers to it as 'charity,' then adds it into his taxes. And says nothing about it being a requirement.

The best way to explain Romney's statements on his taxes is still short and sweet - 'lies.'

176 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:08:38pm

re: #173 Lidane

Todd Akin To Hold Press Conference At 5:15 ET

This will be good. The dumbass will probably make himself look even worse.

177 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:08:39pm

Is Malkin some kind of moron?

the only thing i'm not sure of is exactly which kind

178 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:09:36pm

re: #177 engineer cat

Is Malkin some kind of moron?

the only thing i'm not sure of is exactly which kind

All of them.

179 Donna Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:10:51pm

I guess I should get SOMETHING done today, I have a brochure to work on and I've put it off long enough. Later! Keep Laughing everyone!

180 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:11:36pm

Some interesting details about the Mormon church finances and tithing.

The UK requires financial disclosures, and one such listing gives a glimpse into the church operations there.

181 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:11:41pm

re: #179 Donna Ballard

Keep Laughing everyone

Okay

but at who!?!?

182 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:11:59pm

re: #173 Lidane

Oh joy. It's a Friday night news dump.

183 makeitstopghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:12:21pm

re: #169 engineer cat

has mitt proffered up a lame-ass sorry excuse for a reason explanation for his birther crack yet?

Here's one:

A campaign aide told BuzzFeed, on condition of anonymity, that Romney did not plan the birth certificate joke in advance, and that it was an "off-the-cuff reference to him being a homegrown guy of Michigan" that was wrongly interpreted by the press.

If you don't like that one, I'm sure they'll issue a completely different one in an hour or two.

184 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:12:38pm
185 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:13:18pm

re: #170 Sionainn

No worries.

186 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:13:22pm
187 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:13:31pm

7 birthers!

188 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:13:37pm

re: #184 Gus

I'd love to see which five commandments they "accidentally" dropped.

189 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:15:08pm

Eight sluts a'shaming, seven birthers birthing, six sheriffs profiling, five goooooooolden bars-for-Glenn!!!

191 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:15:21pm

*sigh*

RNC On Romney’s Birth Certificate Joke: ‘He Was Stating A Fact’

After Mitt Romney's birth certificate joke at a Michigan campaign rally Friday led to outrage from the Obama campaign, a top RNC official told MSNBC he doesn't see what the big deal is.

"Look, it's -- I mean, it's a light-hearted moment," Sean Spicer, RNC communications director, said. "He was stating a fact. He's proud of the fact he was born in Michigan, that Mrs. Romney was born in the area."

192 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:16:23pm

re: #191 Lidane

*sigh*

RNC On Romney’s Birth Certificate Joke: ‘He Was Stating A Fact’

Really? So they never asked to see his birth certificate for his passport, visa, and when he was in France?

193 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:16:57pm

RIP The Count. Jerry Nelson, who performed The Count and other famous characters on Sesame Street and the Muppets has passed away at age 78.

Besides The Count, Nelson also created such indelible Muppet characters as Mr. Snuffleupagus, a shy pachyderm friend to Big Bird; Sgt. Floyd Pepper, bassist of the Electric Mayhem Band; Dr. Julius Strangepork, science officer on the USS Swinetrek; Camilla the Chicken, the other half of Gonzo's inter-species relationship; Lew Zealand, master fish-boomerangist; and Robin, sweet nephew to Kermit the Frog. Nelson also played Gobo Fraggle, the lead subterranean creature of "Fraggle Rock."

194 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:17:45pm

They're claiming it's just that Mitt was going on about how proud he is to be from Michigan. Then why make the stupid birth certicate crack especially when you have large numbers of people in your party not to mention people speaking on your behalf who believe in that conspiracy. The whole this was just an innocent joke spin by Romney's campaign is hilarious. Dumbasses.

195 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:17:45pm

re: #193 lawhawk

RIP The Count. Jerry Nelson, who performed The Count and other famous characters on Sesame Street and the Muppets has passed away at age 78.

Down for the Count

Counted out


(I'm going to hell)

196 HappyBenghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:18:15pm

re: #193 lawhawk

RIP The Count. Jerry Nelson, who performed The Count and other famous characters on Sesame Street and the Muppets has passed away at age 78.

RIP, The Count was awesome.

197 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:18:16pm

News reports are describing the Empire State Shooter as a "cat lover". As a cat lover, should I be offended?

After all, they don't mention if he likes ice cream, or walks on the beach (for example.)

What are they trying to imply?

198 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:18:31pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

That's right -- Mormons are required to tithe. It's considered a commandment directly from God. Obviously, they don't get thrown in jail if they don't tithe, but it's not just a request, it's mandatory in their religion.

That's why Romney shouldn't be allowed to get away with claiming this as "charity." It's not charity if it's mandatory.

The Mormon Church requires tithing to be allowed into temple. However they don't actually verify that the amount tithed equals 10% by requiring the submission of corroborating tax returns. The reason Mitt may be reluctant to release his tax returns may have more to do with his misrepresenting his income to the Church over the years and shortchanging them on their due. I see no reason at all for him to be embarrassed over the amount he's been giving them unless it isn't enough.

199 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:20:13pm

There is a big statue of Custer down the road in his hometown of Monroe Michigan. I've always found it disturbing that a guy whose life was devoted to slaughtering other people deserved a statue in the middle of town. I can't recall seeing anyone posing for pictures there. Everyone makes fun of Custer and he is not revered as some kind of hometown hero. I suppose there are some dolts out there who honor Custer's "service", but until this story, I never saw or heard of one.

200 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:22:43pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

The reason Mitt may be reluctant to release his tax returns may have more to do with his misrepresenting his income to the Church over the years and shortchanging them on their due

Doubtful, imho

As a leader in the church at various times (and various positions) and as high profile as he is I doubt he'd be given those positions of authority within the churches structure unless the leadership knew he gave at least the suggested 10%

201 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:26:56pm

re: #200 sattv4u2

Doubtful, imho

As a leader in the church at various times (and various positions) and as high profile as he is I doubt he'd be given those positions of authority within the churches structure unless the leadership knew he gave at least the suggested 10%

He hasn't held a position of leadership in the Church since 1994. Try again.

202 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:28:01pm

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

He hasn't held a position of leadership in the Church since 1994. Try again.

So he gave up/ cut down on tithing then?

Again, doubtful

203 dragonath  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:29:24pm

re: #199 Mich-again

That Custer statue needs this kind of treatment:

Image: photo_verybig_129423.jpg

204 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:36:18pm

re: #202 sattv4u2

So he gave up/ cut down on tithing then?

Again, doubtful

Also doubtful is the idea he wants to keep secret how much he actually tithed because the sheer amount is so great. As long as it equals 10% of his pre-tax income as he's claimed then he's in the clear. He's only in trouble if the tax returns show him to be a liar.

205 abolitionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 1:44:08pm

re: #203 dragonath

As Mich-again (#199) said, Everyone makes fun of Custer and he is not revered as some kind of hometown hero. I think that's sufficient.

206 Stephen T.  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 2:03:57pm

re: #11 Kragar

Seriously?

Pat must be one of those guys who thinks the Trail of Tears was a great moment in US history.

Don't the new American History texts in Texas claim that the Trail of Tears was a good thing, because it brought so many Indians to Christianity?

I seem to remember reading that somewhere.

207 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 2:09:50pm

re: #181 sattv4u2

Keep Laughing everyone

Okay

but at who!?!?

Prolly me. :-)

208 abolitionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:20:32pm

re: #37 abolitionist

Probably should have omitted that last sentence. Obviously, each of the Navajo Codetalkers was a military asset, which each partnered Marine was duty-bound to protect, so he could do his job. But the Code had an even higher priority, to be protected "at all costs". What an awful moral dilemma. Windtalkers trailer.

209 labman57  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:29:03pm

Furthermore, Romney and Biden disrespected the memories of Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee when they spoke at the recent NAACP Convention.

Why do I get the feeling that most conservative politicos lack that little voice in their heads which tells them to hold their tongues, lest their stupid remarks come back to bite them in the ass?

210 Sophia77  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:26:49pm

Oh you gotta be kidding me. Custer?

Shows you where their heads are at.

PS help. These guys are beginning to make me nervous.

211 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:29:35pm

re: #126 engineer cat

don't you know that oil comes from god?

Some creationist types believe that the planet produces oil in limitless quantities, so we will never run out of this precious God-given fluid. The concepts that (a) petroleum came from decaying organic material from millions of years ago and (b) logically it is thereby a finite resource do not compute in their benighted minds.

212 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:21:38am

A friend of mine (Oglala Sioux) who lived in Atlanta once told me his son came home from school crying because after history class, he was tormented by some children who were praising Custer. My friend told him, "Don't feel too bad, son. We won that one."


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