1 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:24:18am |
Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.
2 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:30:51am |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.
Downding for shooting the messenger.
3 | Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:33:10am |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.
Okay. If that's the way it's gonna be from now on I'm game.
4 | Obdicut Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:33:33am |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.
Give examples.
5 | sattv4u2 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:34:24am |
re: #3 Mocking Jay
Okay. If that's the way it's gonna be from now on I'm game.
Maybe you just need a shower!
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6 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:34:48am |
7 | Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:35:28am |
Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'
“President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people,” Eastwood told The Pine Cone this week.
Wow. Greatest ever.
8 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:36:16am |
re: #4 Obdicut
Give examples.
There were mischaracterizations, and I called them in a bar full of Dem activists. At least twice the Prez and a surrogate said Mitt Romney was not a bad person, just misguided.
9 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:36:57am |
re: #7 Mocking Jay
Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'
Wow. Greatest ever.
Thanks Clint for insulting half of the American population. Good Luck and all that.
10 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:37:34am |
Mornin' everyone. A quick scan through the twittersphere and this caught my eye...
CNN asks Romney advisor "but what IS the governor's plan to create new jobs?" Her answer: "I think voters care more about Obama's failures."— Sofia Black-D'Elia (@sblackdelia) September 7, 2012
Hey Mitt...by now people are starting to want to see that you have taken some interest in the job you're applying for. They don't just care about criticizing the black guy.
11 | Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:38:26am |
re: #8 Decatur Deb
There were mischaracterizations, and I called them in a bar full of Dem activists. At least twice the Prez and a surrogate said Mitt Romney was not a bad person, just misguided.
Careful. If Falcon figures out what you meant by that he might downding it.
12 | Interesting Times Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:38:56am |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.
Thanking the troops for their service - something Romney didn't even have the decency to do - is "excuse-making"? Good to know.
13 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:39:23am |
CNN chyron refers to Charlie Crist as a "Republican turncoat." bit.ly/Q8ja02 #journalism #media twitter.com/bored2tears/st...— bored2tears (@bored2tears) September 7, 2012
14 | Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:40:36am |
re: #13 darthstar
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It also refers to him as "Christ." Been seeing that a lot lately.
15 | Big Steve Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:40:56am |
re: #10 darthstar
Mornin' everyone. A quick scan through the twittersphere and this caught my eye...
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Hey Mitt...by now people are starting to want to see that you have taken some interest in the job you're applying for. They don't just care about criticizing the black guy.
You see, I find this type of thing just as disturbing as the racism on the right just assuming they are criticizing the President because he is the "black guy."
16 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:41:06am |
17 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:42:25am |
re: #7 Mocking Jay
Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'
Wow. Greatest ever.
He said that? OK, now that's creepy. I'm going to withdraw my "forgiveness" of his stupid RNC skit.
18 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:42:38am |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.
Mitt Romney deserves to be mocked for some of the shit he's said. I'm glad President Obama ridiculed him rather than railed angrily against him. So some of his words apparently hit home with you. Good.
19 | Interesting Times Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:43:18am |
FACT: If GOP-led states had not cut Govt Jobs at unprecedented levels, unemployment would be 7.1%. -.@wsj blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012... #p2 #tcot— Mattison (@Mattison) September 6, 2012
Fire republicans forever and never let those destructive, selfish excuses for public servants hold office again.
21 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:43:58am |
Heh...Sarah Palin told fox business Neil Cavuto that John Kerry diminished himself by even mentioning her in his speech.
“I think he diminished himself by even mentioning my name,” Palin said. “How does he even know my name? I mean aren’t these guys supposed to be these big wig elites who don’t waste their time on the little people like me — me representing the average American.”
clueless
(video at link)
[Link: www.salon.com...]
22 | wheat-dogg Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:44:05am |
re: #7 Mocking Jay
Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'
Wow. Greatest ever.
In the same sense that Iraq was "mission accomplished," he's right.
23 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:47:02am |
re: #15 Big Steve
You see, I find this type of thing just as disturbing as the racism on the right just assuming they are criticizing the President because he is the "black guy."
But that's what it comes down to. They've spent so much time labeling President Obama as somehow 'foreign' in his policies, not understanding the American way, and they've been so consistent with this framing that's exactly how they come across. I mean, think how this makes Romney look at his country club...his friends see him struggling to win an election against someone who's other. Yeesh.
24 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:47:07am |
I guess Clint wants to go out in a ball of flame by being a stupid wingnut much like John Wayne did. All his life he's kept a low profile even while being in politics. Now? He's just another dipshit wingnut who can go fuck himself.
25 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:47:15am |
re: #19 Interesting Times
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Fire republicans forever and never let those creeps hold office again.
Wall Street Journal is a notorious left-wing disinformation rag.
27 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:52:15am |
re: #21 blueraven
Heh...Sarah Palin told fox business Neil Cavuto that John Kerry diminished himself by even mentioning her in his speech.
clueless
(video at link)
[Link: www.salon.com...]
Every time I hear her speak, I am even more grateful that she is not representing this country and has no seat of power whatsoever.
28 | Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:53:31am |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
Upding for explaining the down ding, race to the bottom with KT!?
29 | Big Steve Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:54:34am |
re: #19 Interesting Times
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Fire republicans forever and never let those creeps hold office again.
Great tweet too bad it is factually incorrect....State Cuts both red and blue states have had govt jobs cut.
30 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:56:25am |
re: #23 darthstar
But that's what it comes down to. They've spent so much time labeling President Obama as somehow 'foreign' in his policies, not understanding the American way, and they've been so consistent with this framing that's exactly how they come across. I mean, think how this makes Romney look at his country club...his friends see him struggling to win an election against someone who's other. Yeesh.
I don't know how many times I've seen people on a debate board I'm on going on and on about the "affirmative action president," that they aren't birthers, but gee, there are still "questions," etc. I can only take it one way.
31 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:57:26am |
Emogprog alert!
What is the impeccable logic of the liberal way to run the world? “Improve” your form, the west tells the peoples of the world, or we’ll kill you.
32 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:57:30am |
One of my favorite lines of the week:
“Feel a cold coming on? Take two tax cuts, roll back some regulations, and call us in the morning!”
Ridicule...so much more effective a weapon than a sledgehammer.
33 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:58:03am |
When Mitt Romney and the rest of the GOP American Taliban will accept than I am a HUMAN BEING I will consider voting Republican again. Until then, I vote Democratic.
34 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:58:08am |
re: #31 Gus
Emogprog alert!
Utter flapdoodle.— David Allen Green (@DavidAllenGreen) September 7, 2012
35 | Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:00:31am |
And people wonder why we want god as far from politics as possible.
Cardinal Dolan Uses Prayer To Troll DNC On Gay Marriage, Abortion tinyurl.com/8nnhw4e
— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) September 7, 2012
36 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:00:42am |
When Obama's speech ended, Google searches for "register to vote" doubled nationwide. We built that.twitpic.com/as00ni— Obama chusid (@ObamaChusid) September 7, 2012
37 | Interesting Times Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:01:26am |
re: #29 Big Steve
Great tweet too bad it is factually incorrect....State Cuts both red and blue states have had govt jobs cut.
That link conveniently (for your argument) makes it difficult to quickly see which states lost the most public sector jobs. This one, on the other hand, does not:
Red States See Massive Public Sector Job Losses
Nearly all of the job losses took place at the state and local level, and they were most severe in a handful of GOP-controlled states. In other words, erosion of public sector employment isn’t a problem affecting the entire country equally—it’s a problem in particular states, thanks to very particular legislators. As the following chart shows, seven states laid off more than 2.5 percent of their own state and local workforce. Other states lost, on average, less than half a percent of their workforce.
38 | Lidane Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:02:06am |
re: #32 darthstar
One of my favorite lines of the week:
Ridicule...so much more effective a weapon than a sledgehammer.
And at least one conservative writer acknowledged that he was right:
Let's face it: Obama is right that some righties prescribe tax cuts as solution to any conceivable problem.— Ramesh Ponnuru (@RameshPonnuru) September 7, 2012
39 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:03:18am |
re: #38 Lidane
And at least one conservative writer acknowledged that he was right:
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40 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:06:57am |
A repeat (plus a little) of a reply to Gus from downstairs, and upon observing the great stock market and the pretty awful employment report both national and local
If half (maybe far less) the profitable stock/bond/derivative/whatevers were widgets that had to be made, packaged, distributed in the US and sold to the US consumer, the economy would be freakin great. Lots of people would be in the widget biz. We'd all be talking about the merits of various kinds. It would be the widget boom economy.
41 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:07:01am |
re: #35 Mocking Jay
And people wonder why we want god as far from politics as possible.
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I have no idea why the DNC let Dolan step foot in the convention, let alone say a prayer.
42 | lawhawk Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:08:46am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. New photos from the WTC. More specifically, the 103rd floor and looking out over the rest of the WTC, including the memorial, 2, 3, and 4WTC, and the PATH transit hub.
43 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:09:28am |
re: #41 Sionainn
I have no idea why the DNC let Dolan step foot in the convention, let alone say a prayer.
Because at some point you actually have to sit on some ideology and get somebody elected.
44 | Lidane Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:09:33am |
It wouldn't be an election year without at least one nutter conspiracy about the POTUS planning to steal and/or cancel the election:
Bill Federer wildly speculates Obama might orchestrate Iran-Israel war as an 'October Surprise' & seize the airwaves: bit.ly/RTgCC8— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) September 7, 2012
45 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:11:42am |
re: #44 Lidane
It wouldn't be an election year without at least one nutter conspiracy about the POTUS planning to steal and/or cancel the election:
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That's mild by everyday Freep commenters. They expect blue helmets and Black Panthers in the streets.
46 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:13:33am |
Del McCoury band live now. Listen here: wncw.org/listen-live #p2 #tlot #Bluegrass #Music #WNCW— Gus (@Gus_802) September 7, 2012
47 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:14:42am |
re: #43 Decatur Deb
Because at some point you actually have to sit on some ideology and get somebody elected.
Sucks for people like me who don't believe and think that religion shouldn't be in government at all.
48 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:15:08am |
re: #44 Lidane
It wouldn't be an election year without at least one nutter conspiracy about the POTUS planning to steal and/or cancel the election:
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Right. Now why didn't we think of that.
Con$piracy!
49 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:16:15am |
re: #47 Sionainn
Sucks for people like me who don't believe and think that religion shouldn't be in government at all.
Sucks a bit, but so would a century of TPGOP rule. Before you can purify the party, you have to educate the electorate. That's multi-generational.
50 | lawhawk Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:17:27am |
Is it surprising that the criticisms over Obama's speech last night are falling along predictable partisan lines? The President gave a good, but not great speech last night. Offered up reasons enough to vote for him and might sway some independents that might be on the fence.
The clearest message was that the GOP is simply offering up no plan or alternative to Obama other than that Mitt is simply not Obama. That's the sum and substance of the GOP plan - vote Mitt because he's not Obama.
The economic plans to get the economy going? Obama at least has a vision and has tried getting things going - the GOP is simply falling back on still more tax cuts even as they complain that the deficit grows (ignoring the link between cuts in revenue and adding to the deficit). Spending cuts alone wont shrink the deficit either, and would harm Americans in the short and long run.
I think the President reaffirmed his case to Democrats and urged them to GOTV for him in November. He might have swayed some independents.
It will be interesting to see what kind of bounce he gets, particularly with the mixed figures on unemployment that came out this AM. Jobs were below expectations, but the rate also ticked down .1%, and that is being attributed to more people stopping looking for jobs. That may spur the Fed to act (what they might do? I'm not sure, since interest rates are already extremely low - maybe another qualitative easing round).
51 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:17:29am |
re: #49 Decatur Deb
Sucks a bit, but so would a century of TPGOP rule. Before you can purify the party, you have to educate the electorate. That's multi-generational.
True.
52 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:18:28am |
Convention Mention final scores:
Positive accolades from his own party:
Obama the Great 686,
Romney the Great 213
Guess which party actually likes their candidate?
Negative comments about the other:
Obama the terrible 411
Romney the terrible 354
War
Republicans apparently are afraid of that topic.
14 mentions to the Democrats 118
[Link: elections.huffingtonpost.com...]
53 | Interesting Times Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:20:45am |
This is a very good way of putting it:
RT: Quit blaming #POTUS for bad economy. Bush 43 inherited $236 bil surplus. He destroyed the economy in 8 yrs. Can anyone rebuild in less?— Peggy Stuart (@PeggyStuart) September 7, 2012
54 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:21:27am |
I'm not saying it, I'm still on my first cup of coffee.
How are you-all?
55 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:23:48am |
re: #50 lawhawk
The clearest message was that the GOP is simply offering up no plan or alternative to Obama other than that Mitt is simply not Obama. That's the sum and substance of the GOP plan - vote Mitt because he's not Obama.
Sounds a lot like "anybody but Bush". It was a weak and unintelligent approach then, and far more so now. We have all got to hold to a higher standard than "not THAT guy" to do anything better than decline. I hope that lesson sticks in the next few Presidential cycles.
56 | erik_t Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:25:57am |
re: #55 Daniel Ballard
Sounds a lot like "anybody but Bush". It was a weak and unintelligent approach then, and far more so now. We have all got to hold to a higher standard than "not THAT guy" to do anything better than decline. I hope that lesson sticks in the next few Presidential cycles.
I think I can point out the irony of criticizing the Democrats for an alleged Anybody-But-X campaign without being accused of MBF'ing.
I'd like more forward-looking policy details from the left, but they're very much drawing a facts-and-policy-based contrast between both sides. This is distinct from the 'Obama sucks and his policies failed and we're not him' I heard last week.
57 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:26:34am |
58 | jaunte Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:27:43am |
Obama at least has a vision and has tried getting things going - the GOP is simply falling back on still more tax cuts even as they complain that the deficit grows (ignoring the link between cuts in revenue and adding to the deficit). Spending cuts alone wont shrink the deficit either, and would harm Americans in the short and long run.
His speech wasn't magic, but the effort to fix things is going to be pretty workmanlike. A plan vs. no plan.
59 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:27:55am |
60 | kirkspencer Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:28:12am |
re: #44 Lidane
It wouldn't be an election year without at least one nutter conspiracy about the POTUS planning to steal and/or cancel the election:
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That's funny, because there's been a constant rant on the right that an Iran-Israel war would get Obama tossed. Both because everyone would see his incompetence AND because of the sudden economic pain.
fwiw, if an attack happened I think the twit you quoted is more correct. We do not like to change horses in mid-stream during a military conflict. And we can pretty much guarantee the US would be in the middle of such a mess.
61 | allegro Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:29:24am |
re: #55 Daniel Ballard
Sounds a lot like "anybody but Bush".
I felt that way a bit in 2004 about Kerry but not at all in 2008. I liked Obama and voted enthusiastically for him. I would have voted with equal enthusiasm for Hilary as well. It was great. I didn't feel as though I was being a given a "lesser evil" choice. Though I certainly have issues with Obama in a few areas, I will vote without hesitation for him again.
62 | kirkspencer Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:30:10am |
re: #50 lawhawk
Is it surprising that the criticisms over Obama's speech last night are falling along predictable partisan lines? The President gave a good, but not great speech last night. Offered up reasons enough to vote for him and might sway some independents that might be on the fence.
The clearest message was that the GOP is simply offering up no plan or alternative to Obama other than that Mitt is simply not Obama. That's the sum and substance of the GOP plan - vote Mitt because he's not Obama.
The economic plans to get the economy going? Obama at least has a vision and has tried getting things going - the GOP is simply falling back on still more tax cuts even as they complain that the deficit grows (ignoring the link between cuts in revenue and adding to the deficit). Spending cuts alone wont shrink the deficit either, and would harm Americans in the short and long run.
I think the President reaffirmed his case to Democrats and urged them to GOTV for him in November. He might have swayed some independents.
It will be interesting to see what kind of bounce he gets, particularly with the mixed figures on unemployment that came out this AM. Jobs were below expectations, but the rate also ticked down .1%, and that is being attributed to more people stopping looking for jobs. That may spur the Fed to act (what they might do? I'm not sure, since interest rates are already extremely low - maybe another qualitative easing round).
I think Clinton's speech will be most responsible for firing things up. And I also think one of the problems with Obama's speech is that he had a high bar to top, not only from Clinton's speech but from his own history of oratory.
63 | Lidane Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:30:25am |
re: #58 jaunte
His speech wasn't magic, but the effort to fix things is going to be pretty workmanlike. A plan vs. no plan.
The conscience and soaring rhetoric came from Michelle Obama's speech. The magic came when Bill Clinton took the GOP out to the woodshed and spanked them. The righteous anger came from Joe Biden. The actual plan came from Barack Obama.
I thought it was a pretty good balance all the way around.
64 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:31:04am |
re: #59 ggt
The real argument is how a President and his legislature manages the downturn. The cause is always larger economic factors. Maybe the Fed but that's still not the POTUS. The management & proposed fix of course is where the government rubber meets the road.
My point is how can we fix it if we look at the wrong places for blame?
65 | lawhawk Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:31:29am |
re: #53 Interesting Times
That's rather misleading. President Bush didn't inherit a surplus on national debt. The national deficit was continuing to grow all while Clinton was in office. Clinton's fiscal year budgets for 1998-2000 reduced the growth of the already existing deficit. What Bush did inherit was a budget situation that if it continued would have potentially resulted in more revenue than generated due to higher tax rates. The 1998-2000 budgets created fiscal year surpluses, but they were not reducing the ongoing debt. They merely slowed the increase in the debt.
There's two sets of numbers to refer to. The first is the debt or surplus from an individual year budget. The second is the ongoing (historical) deficit. That rose all while Clinton was in office. It accelerated under Bush as tax cuts were not offset by spending cuts and spending increased - particularly from defense and homeland security spending. The tax cuts were supposed to expire in 2010, reverting to their pre-2001 rates. As we know the rates were extended through 2012. That further adds to the debt without offsetting cuts elsewhere.
66 | lawhawk Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:33:55am |
re: #62 kirkspencer
Yes, there were quite a few expectations to be met - and just meeting them wouldn't be viewed as great speech. The President had far higher expectations than those on Romney. Romney had to beat a Clint-chair, which he didn't - and everyone will remember the Eastwooding. Obama had to follow the oratory of Clinton, who's rightfully regarded as one of the political speakers of the past 30 years. Tough act to follow - and he did okay.
67 | Mattand Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:34:41am |
re: #41 Sionainn
I have no idea why the DNC let Dolan step foot in the convention, let alone say a prayer.
Because many Americans don't consider you an American until you've sworn fealty to some sort of Bible-based god.
I know this from painful, painful experience.
68 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:34:58am |
re: #64 Daniel Ballard
The real argument is how a President and his legislature manages the downturn. The cause is always larger economic factors. Maybe the Fed but that's still not the POTUS. The management & proposed fix of course is where the government rubber meets the road.
My point is how can we fix it if we look at the wrong places for blame?
Mortgages.
69 | kirkspencer Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:38:23am |
re: #64 Daniel Ballard
The real argument is how a President and his legislature manages the downturn. The cause is always larger economic factors. Maybe the Fed but that's still not the POTUS. The management & proposed fix of course is where the government rubber meets the road.
My point is how can we fix it if we look at the wrong places for blame?
The solution, in a word, is jobs. Businesses don't want to hire because they're not selling enough. They aren't selling because people aren't spending, both because they don't have it and because they are worried enough they're trying to save it.
The solution, anathema to some though it would be, would be for a massive injection via a (or several) government funded temporary project, which when complete would:
a) have improved our nation in ways companies cannot afford to do - infrastructure (rail, energy, broadband, roads), culture (parks) - but which we need as a base from which to expand, and
b) could be for the most part sold or contracted to private industries (possibly with public oversight) for maintenance and improvement.
Not going to happen, but that'd be best.
70 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:39:05am |
Let me see if I have this right. The DOW breaks the close from 2007. S&P are up as is NASDAQ. Unemployment went from 8.3% to 8.1% and continues on a downward trend. Consumer confidence is at an all time high.
I'm currently working on a large scale residential project and have a luxury residence to work on. These are all "team" projects.
This is bad economic news?
71 | erik_t Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:39:36am |
re: #69 kirkspencer
I'd give my left nut for a few trillion in federally funded infrastructure work.
72 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:40:20am |
Reagan and Bush 41 advisor Bruce Bartlett on Why Barack Obama Will Win the Election Easily
Pollster Nate Silver has done an excellent job of assembling all of the known political data on where the presidential race stood as of Wednesday. His analysis leads him to project that Obama will beat Romney 51.2 percent to 47.6 percent in the popular vote, and 311 to 227 in the Electoral College where only 270 votes are needed to win. Overall, Silver gives Obama a 76 percent chance of winning the election.
Those who don’t follow the data intensively can be forgiven for not knowing what good shape Obama is in, because it is rarely reported in the mainstream media. There is a simple reason for this: it has a huge vested interest in maintaining the idea that the election is so close it cannot be called and will come down to the last vote cast on Election Day.
That is because the media have huge political operations with many highly-paid commentators who need people reading and tuning in daily to see if their preferred candidate has made any headway. There is also an enormous amount of data being produced daily that requires reporting and analysis—polls, campaign contributions, charges and counter charges, endorsements, gaffes and so on. It is not hard to spin this vast cacophony of material in such a way as to maintain the fiction that the election will be close.
73 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:40:24am |
What experience does Romney have in creating jobs? He's destroyed more jobs than he created.
74 | Interesting Times Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:41:54am |
One thing you can say for sure: George W. Bush's convention speech didn't outshine Mitt Romney's.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) September 7, 2012
75 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:44:01am |
A high school friend posted this on fb --it is a full lengths show she did with with other artist for little kids. Very cool to see old friends doing what they love and doing it well.
So funny, because I remember the bruhaha when she graduated to *need* a more expensive violin in high school.
76 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:44:05am |
re: #30 Sionainn
I don't know how many times I've seen people on a debate board I'm on going on and on about the "affirmative action president," that they aren't birthers, but gee, there are still "questions," etc. I can only take it one way.
Yunno, if a lot of conservatives were not so ideologically blindered, they would be able to see Obama as a finne example of the American Dream in action and be proud at least of that aspect of his presidency: namely that someone from a non-priveleged background, through hard work and personal drive, can achieve the highest office in the land regardless of race.
But they would have to choke back enormous amounts of bigotry to even allow such thoughts to reach the speech centers of their brains.
77 | lawhawk Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:44:14am |
re: #72 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
The spin that the election is close based on polls may be a self-fulfilling prophesy. The media can only hope that is the case, but the economy is in much better shape than either Democrats or Republicans are willing to concede. There are still tremendous hurdles to overcome, but we've past a major recession. Growth isn't where anyone would want it to be, but putting the brakes on spending by talking down the economy at every turn - as the GOP is doing, isn't helping things. They're actively hoping that the economy sucks so that they can take credit when the economy picks up in 2013 as most economists think will happen.
78 | ReamWorks SKG Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:45:36am |
Fact Check!
"“I refuse to ask middle-class families to give up their deductions for owning a home or raising their kids just to pay for another millionaire’s tax cut,” Obama added.
Really? There are deductions for owning a home? I don't get any deductions and I'm a homeowner. In fact, I'm taxed on my property, and they can take my house away from me if I can't afford these taxes.
(here are deductions for financing a home, but that's not owning.
But I'm still voting for him!
79 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:46:51am |
re: #64 Daniel Ballard
The real argument is how a President and his legislature manages the downturn. The cause is always larger economic factors. Maybe the Fed but that's still not the POTUS. The management & proposed fix of course is where the government rubber meets the road.
My point is how can we fix it if we look at the wrong places for blame?
Exactly, we need to pay attention to how Dodd-Frank is implemented. It seems to be a good framework, but the greedy will fight every new implementation tooth and nail. Sometimes they will be right.
One thing is for sure, they were way wrong the last 30 years. Government regulation did not hurt the industry --only those who wanted to rape the world for their own gain.
80 | Bulworth Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:46:58am |
re: #78 ReamWorks SKG
Fact Check!
Really? There are deductions for owning a home? I don't get any deductions and I'm a homeowner.(here are deductions for financing a home, but that's not owning.
But I'm still voting for him!
Busted crusted!
81 | Mattand Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:47:33am |
re: #76 Expand Your Ground
Yunno, if a lot of conservatives were not so ideologically blindered, they would be able to see Obama as a finne example of the American Dream in action and be proud at least of that aspect of his presidency: namely that someone from a non-priveleged background, through hard work and personal drive, can achieve the highest office in the land regardless of race.
But they would have to choke back enormous amounts of bigotry to even allow such thoughts to reach the speech centers of their brains.
This.
82 | Petero1818 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:47:34am |
re: #21 blueraven
Heh...Sarah Palin told fox business Neil Cavuto that John Kerry diminished himself by even mentioning her in his speech.
clueless
(video at link)
[Link: www.salon.com...]
It is the first thing Sarah has said that I agree with.
83 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:48:02am |
re: #78 ReamWorks SKG
Fact Check!
Really? There are deductions for owning a home? I don't get any deductions and I'm a homeowner. In fact, I'm taxed on my property, and they can take my house away from me if I can't afford these taxes.
(here are deductions for financing a home, but that's not owning.
But I'm still voting for him!
are you not allowed to deduct interest costs for financing your mortgage?
84 | ReamWorks SKG Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:49:00am |
re: #83 Expand Your Ground
Sure, but that's not owning a home! That's my point. He's being slippery. True homeowners--those with no liens or mortgages--don't get any 'deductions'
85 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:49:11am |
Here is a new (at least I can't remember it--if I knew it) financial term created just to confuse us even more. LOL
What is Quantitative Easing?
Quantitative Easing is the concept of the Fed becoming a buyer of Treasuries and Bonds to try and stimulate the economy. Oftentimes, the Fed does Quantitative Easing when they are hoping to achieve the following things:-To create inflation and avoid a deflationary economy
-To lower the unemployment rate
-To boost Stock pricesKeep in mind that one of the consequences of Quantitative Easing is that the US Dollar will weaken. This makes US exports more affordable abroad, as well as makes imports appear relatively more expensive. This will help large multi-national companies–which have a large influence on the economy and the major Stock market indices–thus stimulating our economy and hopefully our Labor Market, which continues to struggle.
86 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:49:26am |
re: #78 ReamWorks SKG
Fact Check!
Really? There are deductions for owning a home? I don't get any deductions and I'm a homeowner.
(here are deductions for financing a home, but that's not owning.
But I'm still voting for him!
You get deductions for local real estate taxes you pay on your property, right? Assuming you itemize.
87 | ReamWorks SKG Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:49:54am |
re: #86 blueraven
No! Because of AMT, I get bupkis.
88 | Interesting Times Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:50:00am |
Sorry Willard Mitt, but all the Kochs' billions and Adelson's bucks won't stop you from being a soulless fuck:
WOW, on Fox, @mittromney says of not mentioning troops: "when you give a speech, you go thru a laundry list, you talk about the things y ...— Lis Smith (@Lis_Smith) September 7, 2012
89 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:50:25am |
re: #83 Expand Your Ground
are you not allowed to deduct interest costs for financing your mortgage?
Those that own out-right have no tax benefit.
90 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:51:03am |
91 | Mattand Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:51:35am |
re: #88 Interesting Times
Sorry Willard Mitt, but all the Kochs' billions and Adelson's bucks won't stop you from being a soulless fuck:
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All that money and still not one red cent dedicated to buying a clue.
92 | kirkspencer Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:51:38am |
re: #78 ReamWorks SKG
Fact Check!
Really? There are deductions for owning a home? I don't get any deductions and I'm a homeowner. In fact, I'm taxed on my property, and they can take my house away from me if I can't afford these taxes.
(here are deductions for financing a home, but that's not owning.
But I'm still voting for him!
Property taxes are deductible.
93 | erik_t Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:51:38am |
re: #84 ReamWorks SKG
Sure, but that's not owning a home! That's my point. He's being slippery. True homeowners--those with no liens or mortgages--don't get any 'deductions'
Boy, that I might someday join the ranks of you true and legitimate homeowners.
I get what you're saying, but I haven't seen such condescending phrasing in quite some time.
94 | ReamWorks SKG Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:51:43am |
I'm a Democrat, and I'm opposed to the home mortgage deduction. It's unfair, very expensive, and if we didn't have it house prices would simply drop to compensate.
95 | lawhawk Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:52:46am |
re: #78 ReamWorks SKG
It's a mortgage interest deduction. That's not exactly a homeowner deduction - if you don't have a mortgage you don't get the benefit of the deduction. So, if you had a 30 year mortgage, you had the benefit of the mortgage interest deduction for that period when you were paying the mortgage, but if you paid it off before the current tax year, you would no longer benefit from that deduction.
There's also a deduction for real estate taxes paid, which can be considerable for those in high property tax states (NY/NJ to name but two).
96 | ReamWorks SKG Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:53:09am |
It is nice to see Bill and Barak playing nice together again! There was an interesting article about their relationship in this week's New Yorker.
97 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:53:21am |
re: #94 ReamWorks SKG
I'm a Democrat, and I'm opposed to the home mortgage deduction. It's unfair, very expensive, and if we didn't have it house prices would simply drop to compensate.
If we didn't have that deduction it would depress home sales. We sure dont need that.
It would really hurt me and my family.
98 | kirkspencer Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:53:22am |
re: #87 ReamWorks SKG
No! Because of AMT, I get bupkis.
Ah. So he's right, but because you fall into an exception you want to call him wrong.
99 | Interesting Times Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:53:28am |
re: #94 ReamWorks SKG
I'm a Democrat, and I'm opposed to the home mortgage deduction. It's unfair, very expensive, and if we didn't have it house prices would simply drop to compensate.
We don't have it in Canada, and it may have played a part in us avoiding a US-style mortgage meltdown (i.e. no financial incentive to take out mortgage vs. renting a place)
100 | Lidane Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:53:28am |
re: #88 Interesting Times
Sorry Willard Mitt, but all the Kochs' billions and Adelson's bucks won't stop you from being a soulless fuck:
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Is there video of him saying that? If there's video of him directly being asked about not mentioning the troops and that's his answer on camera, that's a devastating attack ad from Team Obama.
101 | ReamWorks SKG Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:54:27am |
re: #98 kirkspencer
No, because he was specifically referring to the Mortgage Interest deduction, which some republicans want to eliminate.
102 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:54:41am |
re: #88 Interesting Times
Sorry Willard Mitt, but all the Kochs' billions and Adelson's bucks won't stop you from being a soulless fuck:
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Sheesh. If he said that, he's an even bigger idiot than I thought. It's not very hard to just say thank you or add a personal anecdote.
103 | ReamWorks SKG Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:55:14am |
re: #97 blueraven
We just disagree here. I support affordable housing. So anything that stops propping up house prices is a Good Thing.
104 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:55:20am |
re: #99 Interesting Times
We don't have it in Canada, and it may have played a part in us avoiding a US-style mortgage meltdown (i.e. no financial incentive to take out mortgage vs. renting a place)
But our property taxes pay for education and other local needs.
If everyone is renting, where will that money come from?
105 | ReamWorks SKG Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:55:57am |
Anyway, it's 9:00am and I have to start working! SOMEONE has to earn money to pay taxes! :-)
See you all Sunday.
106 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:56:33am |
re: #94 ReamWorks SKG
I'm a Democrat, and I'm opposed to the home mortgage deduction. It's unfair, very expensive, and if we didn't have it house prices would simply drop to compensate.
I don't mind the deduction. What I can't stand is individuals who don't get that they pay far more in interest than they will ever pay in taxes. They often use this as an excuse to use their money for other things and not pay down their mortgage.
It's part of the whole "home ownership is the American Dream" scam.
107 | erik_t Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:56:41am |
re: #103 ReamWorks SKG
We just disagree here. I support affordable housing. So anything that stops propping up house prices is a Good Thing.
This is an interesting argument in the abstract, or as a phased-in change over several administrations, but right now all it would do is fuck over millions of families who made their own personal policy based on longstanding tax policy (something I generally consider to be a hallmark of good personal finance).
108 | Petero1818 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:56:48am |
re: #93 erik_t
Boy, that I might someday join the ranks of you true and legitimate homeowners.
I get what you're saying, but I haven't seen such condescending phrasing in quite some time.
re: #99 Interesting Times
We don't have it in Canada, and it may have played a part in us avoiding a US-style mortgage meltdown (i.e. no financial incentive to take out mortgage vs. renting a place)
You are absolutely correct, that we don't have it in Canada, I have long thought we should have. It need not necessarily have played a part in mortgage meltdown if mortgages in the US were properly underwritten with reasonable down payments. There is nothing wrong with incentives to home ownership by writing off mortgage payments. It is if done properly a good way to increase savings and build equity for people.
109 | Lidane Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:57:18am |
Shorter GOP: It's time to elect another Republican who we'll be too embarrassed to have at our conventions.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) September 7, 2012
110 | Interesting Times Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:57:39am |
re: #104 blueraven
But our property taxes pay for education and other local needs.
If everyone is renting, where will that money come form?
TX has no state income tax, right? I don't have time to look things up right now (need to leave in a few min), but in Canada, income tax rates are higher and there are transfer payments from the Feds to the Prov. governments, who in turn give some of that to municipalities (we're socialist wealth redistributors, dontcha know ;) )
111 | Petero1818 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:57:40am |
re: #104 blueraven
But our property taxes pay for education and other local needs.
If everyone is renting, where will that money come from?
The renters are renting from someone. And that company or person IS paying the property taxes.
112 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:58:15am |
re: #104 blueraven
But our property taxes pay for education and other local needs.
If everyone is renting, where will that money come from?
The landlord pays taxes on his property and then figures it into the rent cost. He get's the deduction. He is also paying the interest and taking the lions share of the responsibility for the property.
I have a friend that owned an apartment building for a while. I'll not be in a hurry to do the same. The end profits were nice tho.
113 | Petero1818 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:59:25am |
re: #110 Interesting Times
TX has no state income tax, right? I don't have time to look things up right now (need to leave in a few min), but in Canada, income tax rates are higher and there are transfer payments from the Feds to the Prov. governments, who in turn give
some of thatnot enough of it to municipalities (we're socialist wealth redistributors, dontcha know ;) )
Fixed.
114 | lawhawk Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:59:32am |
re: #103 ReamWorks SKG
It's a double edged sword. Many homeowners are underwater on their mortgages, so any further drop in prices would make it impossible to refinance or sell without a short-sale (a time consuming process that would mean the seller's got to get the bank to agree to a loss).
HAMP, a govt program, can help some homeowners who are underwater refinance, but their LTV can't exceed 120%. Some parts of the country have seen prices drop more than half, meaning that some can't participate in the plan because there's no way to get a loan.
Phasing out the mortgage interest deduction over time might make sense, but to do it in one shot would crush whatever support for existing values has been reestablished following the market crash.
115 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:59:42am |
Canada closes embassy in Iran, to expel Iranian diplomats
(Reuters) - Canada has closed its embassy in Iran and will expel all remaining Iranian diplomats in Canada within five days, Foreign Minister John Baird said on Friday, denouncing Tehran as the biggest threat to global security.
116 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:59:58am |
re: #15 Big Steve
Food stamp president.
No work for welfare.
Citizen dependency.
"Joke" about Obama's birthplace.
Have you listened to what Romney has said lately? As recently as a couple of days ago?
No, not everyone cares about the black guy in the white house...but many, many do.
117 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:00:08am |
re: #111 Petero1818
The renters are renting from someone. And that company or person IS paying the property taxes.
Yes, but that does not add up...there are limits and exemptions.
Also as far as federal income tax those would be subject to depreciation and a lot of maintenance "loop holes" if you want to call them that.
118 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:00:44am |
119 | Petero1818 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:00:45am |
re: #117 blueraven
Yes, but that does not add up...there are limits and exemptions.
Also as far as federal income tax those would be subject to depreciation and a lot of maintenance "loop holes" if you want to call them that.
There are no limits and exemptions on Property tax.
120 | Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:01:46am |
re: #115 Gus
Canada closes embassy in Iran, to expel Iranian diplomats
(Reuters) - Canada has closed its embassy in Iran and will expel all remaining Iranian diplomats in Canada within five days, Foreign Minister John Baird said on Friday, denouncing Tehran as the biggest threat to global security.
It's something to keep an eye on. If enough Western nations pull their embassy staff it might mean something's up.
121 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:01:59am |
Right now, it's a buyers market for homes. Take advantage if you can.
122 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:02:10am |
re: #119 Petero1818
There are no limits and exemptions on Property tax.
Sure there are. Over 65 exemption
homestead exemption
There are others, but I cant name them all right at the moment
123 | Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:03:01am |
Modowiess: Hamas sends letter praising Occupy DNC protesters
Open letter from Ismail Hanneya to Occupy Charlotte protesting the DNC: ‘We salute you’
125 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:03:18am |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.
What about what Romney has said at any point drives you to like him? His constant lies (proven lies, I might add)? What did Romney say last week that gives you any indication on how he might govern? Not just last week but ever? What position has he taken that has not changed? How do you know what he believes?
Romney embarrassed himself and US overseas. He said Russia is our biggest threat. What did Obama say that wasn't true?
I don't get you. Why does party allegiance override thought and reason?
126 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:05:05am |
re: #84 ReamWorks SKG
Sure, but that's not owning a home! That's my point. He's being slippery. True homeowners--those with no liens or mortgages--don't get any 'deductions'
A rather nitpicking one, but a point. And the fact is, most "homeowners" spend most of their adult lives paying off a mortgage.
127 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:05:22am |
re: #25 Decatur Deb
Wall Street Journal is a notorious left-wing disinformation rag.
And The Economist took down Romney a couple of times. Another left-wing rag, those Marxist, communists at the Economist.
128 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:05:41am |
One thing I think we have backwards is the college loan debacle. There should be tax deductions for tuition, not loans and interest for decades.
129 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:05:49am |
re: #104 blueraven
But our property taxes pay for education and other local needs.
If everyone is renting, where will that money come from?
Somebody still owns the property, I should hope...
130 | Petero1818 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:05:59am |
re: #122 blueraven
Sure there are. Over 65 exemption
homestead exemption
There are others, but I cant name them all right at the moment
No such exemption exists in Ontario, and I don't believe in the rest of Canada either.
131 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:06:08am |
re: #127 Joanne (JustJay)
And The Economist took down Romney a couple of times. Another left-wing rag, those Marxist, communists at the Economist.
Bunch of Europeans, (Mitt Romney).
132 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:06:25am |
re: #116 Joanne (JustJay)
Food stamp president.
No work for welfare.
Citizen dependency.
"Joke" about Obama's birthplace.Have you listened to what Romney has said lately? As recently as a couple of days ago?
No, not everyone cares about the black guy in the white house...but many, many do.
My wife and I were driving through a very conservative neigborhood recently as we were car shopping...people who still had remnants of W04 and McCain stickers on their cars, and twice I complained about shitty drivers cutting me off or falling asleep at a light that turned green, and my wife simply turned to me and said, "Relax, there are just a lot of low information voters around here."
I love that phrase. "low information voters" - speaks to Mitt's base without calling them out for some of the blatant bigotry he uses to woo them (which, I think, isn't as effective as he thinks it will be - America isn't as racist as the GOP hopes, and that will be evident in the election).
133 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:06:52am |
134 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:07:24am |
re: #116 Joanne (JustJay)
Food stamp president.
No work for welfare.
Citizen dependency.
"Joke" about Obama's birthplace.Have you listened to what Romney has said lately? As recently as a couple of days ago?
No, not everyone cares about the black guy in the white house...but many, many do.
What else can he mention? Romneycare? Bain Capital? Ryan Budget? His own personal charm and charisma? All he has to play on is bash the black guy in the White House.
135 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:07:38am |
136 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:08:17am |
re: #132 darthstar
My wife and I were driving through a very conservative neigborhood recently as we were car shopping...people who still had remnants of W04 and McCain stickers on their cars, and twice I complained about shitty drivers cutting me off or falling asleep at a light that turned green, and my wife simply turned to me and said, "Relax, there are just a lot of low information voters around here."
I love that phrase. "low information voters" - speaks to Mitt's base without calling them out for some of the blatant bigotry he uses to woo them (which, I think, isn't as effective as he thinks it will be - America isn't as racist as the GOP hopes, and that will be evident in the election).
Conservatives WILL NOT recognize that they are promoting bigotry. They just will not even try to bend their minds to the possibility--not even the visuals of the participants in the conventions seems to spark the light bulb that should be their brains.
137 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:08:42am |
138 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:09:41am |
I have to be productive.
Have a great one all!
139 | Petero1818 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:09:58am |
re: #122 blueraven
re: #122 blueraven
Sure there are. Over 65 exemption
homestead exemption
There are others, but I cant name them all right at the moment
To be clear, of course there are certain lands that are exempt from property taxes, crown lands, native lands public use.... but there are no property tax exemptions for person or company which owns private property in Canada for a residential or commercial use as far as I know of.
140 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:10:16am |
re: #130 Petero1818
No such exemption exists in Ontario, and I don't believe in the rest of Canada either.
Well there are here and they are exploited.
141 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:11:54am |
The debates are going to be interesting. Romney's not going to be able to his primary strategy of "Let Newt or Santorum or Bachmann say something stupid and then say something less stupid" because he's dealing with a guy who knows what point he wants to make. Of course, we'll hear stupid teleprompter jokes if Obama does well or poorly either way.
142 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:12:15am |
re: #101 ReamWorks SKG
No, because he was specifically referring to the Mortgage Interest deduction, which some republicans want to eliminate.
Most people raising families and buying homes don't have those homes paid off. I don't see how what he said wasn't true.
On a side note, I was one of the few who bought a home in 2007 and am probably one of the only people in my city (Las Vegas) not underwater on my mortgage due to family helping out with our down payment. I paid more on my down payment than my house is now worth, yet you don't hear me bitching and moaning about any kind of help going to underwater homeowners because I just want the prices to go back up and that's not going to happen with people still losing their homes to foreclosure. Life ain't fair sometimes, but I deal with it.
143 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:20:03am |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
BTW, every since you said this, I find it very difficult to take anything you say seriously.
Cannot Concur. I have zero faith in the government to undertake major non-security issues. I'd rather take my chances with the private sector, which at least is more efficient and self interested. If it ends up that I cannot obtain care I need to survive because the money for cannot be found, then I'm OK with dying, because I'd rather be dead than under the government's thumb.
It's strong words until you need care and have no ability to obtain it. You think insurance companies are more efficient? Self-interested, to be sure. But efficient? Their only efficiency is to deny people to make a profit - which means people die to make money.
I have a very hard time reading anything you write without thinking of the above quote. Your words are a caricature. Brave...until you're in the position to actually die.
144 | erik_t Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:21:18am |
re: #143 Joanne (JustJay)
BTW, every since you said this, I find it very difficult to take anything you say seriously.
Not really any worse than defending the idea of preemptive nuclear strikes against Iran.
Yes, we had that conversation too.
145 | Lidane Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:21:46am |
re: #141 HappyWarrior
I'm waiting for Mitt to get flustered or offended by something and to bet Barack Obama $10k to settle the question.
146 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:21:58am |
147 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:22:58am |
re: #129 Expand Your Ground
Somebody still owns the property, I should hope...
As I mentioned earlier, there are exemptions
homestead
over 65
religious and charitable organizations
veterans
Just like any loop hole, these are exploited
Also the renter is not keenly aware of what property taxes are, what they pay for and very rarely vote on school bonds etc...
148 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:25:00am |
re: #7 Mocking Jay
Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'
Wow. Greatest ever.
Well, so much for giving him the benefit of the doubt.
149 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:25:22am |
re: #145 Lidane
I'm waiting for Mitt to get flustered or offended by something and to bet Barack Obama $10k to settle the question.
Friend of mine posted some clips of the debate he had with Kennedy in 1994. When really pressed, Mitt folded and got frustrated. Really, Obama is probably the toughest person he's had to debate since that election. I think he's in for a nasty surprise.
150 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:26:01am |
re: #148 OhNoZombies!
Well, so much for giving him the benefit of the doubt.
It's kind of sad. Oh well. I still like him and his movies but damn the biggest hoax ever on the American people? Come on Clint, you're not stupid.
151 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:26:49am |
Barack Obama tells Democrats their hopes were justified
Funny cartoon there.
152 | Lidane Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:26:52am |
Romney on his London comments " I'm very pleased that my Olympic experience allows me to talk about the Olympics in a straight talk manner"— Ginger Gibson (@GingerGibson) September 7, 2012
153 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:28:01am |
154 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:28:35am |
How California checked vehicle emissions in 1951.
That car does not look like a 1950 model. Looks mid '30's.
156 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:29:09am |
re: #152 Lidane
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Straight talk? Is that what offending the British Prime Minister is called these days? I think some of the areas Obama nailed Romney the most were in foreign policy though.
157 | Petero1818 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:29:19am |
re: #148 OhNoZombies!
Well, so much for giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Well it was accomplished in the same way as the mission was accomplished last time we heard those words......Image: aa-Bush-Mission-Accomplished.jpg
158 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:29:32am |
re: #154 Learned Mother of Zion
How California checked vehicle emissions in 1951.
That car does not look like a 1950 model. Looks mid '30's.
They used to build them to last back in those days...
159 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:29:52am |
re: #99 Interesting Times
We don't have it in Canada, and it may have played a part in us avoiding a US-style mortgage meltdown (i.e. no financial incentive to take out mortgage vs. renting a place)
I think the biggest benefit of Canadian style mortgage financing is that people have an incentive to pay off their mortgages instead of using equity like an ATM machine, which was a huge problem in the meltdown. It was so easy to get credit against equity, that put a lot of people underwater immediately when prices fell.
160 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:30:29am |
re: #158 Expand Your Ground
They used to build them to last back in those days...
I still see plenty of 1990's vehicles.
161 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:30:30am |
re: #157 Petero1818
Well it was accomplished in the same way as the mission was accomplished last time we heard those words......Image: aa-Bush-Mission-Accomplished.jpg
General Santa Ana marches into the smouldering ruins of the Alamo, behind him on the parapets a banner reads "Mission Accomplished!"
162 | Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:30:32am |
re: #158 Expand Your Ground
with an air bag even!
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163 | erik_t Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:31:11am |
re: #158 Expand Your Ground
They used to build [cars] to last back in those days...
The modern car is, frankly, absurdly reliable and long-lasting compared to anything older. It's a miracle of modern engineering.
164 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:31:33am |
Excuses are only excuses when they're used to deflect responsibility for failing to accomplish reasonable results in a reasonable time from valid reasons to invalid ones. If expectations are unreasonable then mentioning the reasons those expectations are unreasonable is not an excuse.
D_F, exactly what do you think should have been done by Obama to fill the massive hole the last administration left despite that administration's buddies still furiously digging and much of the equipment needed to fill the hole being used by the rest of the world's countries to fill their own pits? Pits I might add that are there at least in part because of the bomb bank deregulation set off in the US.
165 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:31:34am |
BTW. I'm reading about Romney and the "troops" thing on Twitter. I have yet to see an actual quote and/or audio. As much as I support Obama, I do believe Romney's being misquoted.
166 | Mattand Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:31:57am |
re: #154 Learned Mother of Zion
How California checked vehicle emissions in 1951.
That car does not look like a 1950 model. Looks mid '30's.
Oh. My. God.
I realize they didn't know any better back then, but it's amazing we haven't wiped ourselves off the planet by now.
On the bright side, the inspector's two packs of Chesterfields a day probably got him before the exhaust did.
167 | Mattand Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:32:22am |
re: #160 Learned Mother of Zion
I still see plenty of 1990's vehicles.
'98 Honda Civic here, still going strong.
168 | erik_t Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:32:35am |
re: #166 Mattand
Oh. My. God.
I realize they didn't know any better back then, but it's amazing we haven't wiped ourselves off the planet by now.
On the bright side, the inspector's two packs of Chesterfields a day probably got him before the exhaust did.
A whole lot of that is water vapor, I suspect. But maybe that's just my brain rocking in the corner and quivering.
169 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:32:47am |
re: #126 Expand Your Ground
A rather nitpicking one, but a point. And the fact is, most "homeowners" spend most of their adult lives paying off a mortgage.
Those homeowners are doing their best to make sure the Banks make their profits.
170 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:33:02am |
re: #128 ggt
One thing I think we have backwards is the college loan debacle. There should be tax deductions for tuition, not loans and interest for decades.
THIS! Sorry, I had to repeat. An upding wasn't sufficient.
171 | Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:33:36am |
re: #165 Gus
BTW. I'm reading about Romney and the "troops" thing on Twitter. I have yet to see and actual quote and/or audio. As much as I support Obama, I do believe Romney's being misquoted.
What do they claim he said?
172 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:33:58am |
173 | erik_t Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:34:27am |
Rabble rabble. You damned whipper-snappers have no idea how much work was involved in keeping an older vehicle in working order, and how much slop and daily pain-in-the-ass was accepted in the older definition of 'working order'.
Remember flooding engines? Remember a quarter-circle of play in the steering? Remember brake fade? Remember cars that broke down? Remember tune-ups every few thousand miles? Remember points!?
GAAAAAAAAH.
174 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:34:38am |
re: #165 Gus
BTW. I'm reading about Romney and the "troops" thing on Twitter. I have yet to see an actual quote and/or audio. As much as I support Obama, I do believe Romney's being misquoted.
what troops thing?
175 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:35:29am |
re: #144 erik_t
Not really any worse than defending the idea of preemptive nuclear strikes against Iran.
Yes, we had that conversation too.
That is too terrifying to concieve. That John "Bomb Everyone" Bolton is being bantered about as Romney's SecStat? (SHUDDER)
176 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:36:06am |
@jedlewison I guess that means Jennifer Granholm was praising Romney last night too?— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 7, 2012
177 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:36:29am |
re: #175 Joanne (JustJay)
That is too terrifying to concieve. That John "Bomb Everyone" Bolton is being bantered about as Romney's SecStat? (SHUDDER)
They're seriously talking about making Bolton his SoS?!?! Good lord. Then again I look at his judicial adviser. A man quite a few Republicans thought was too nuts for the USSC.
178 | Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:37:01am |
re: #173 erik_t
points suck.
drum brakes suck
reflectors? we don't need no stinking reflectors.
non-radial tires suck
ford sux
oops
179 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:37:06am |
re: #169 b_sharp
Those homeowners are doing their best to make sure the Banks make their profits.
And if they fail, then the federal government steps in...not to save the homeowwnder's mortgage but to ensure that the banks continue to make their profits
180 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:37:12am |
re: #171 Killgore Trout
What do they claim he said?
Started with this:
Unbelievable: twice today, @mittromney has said he doesn't regret not mentioning the troops in his convention speech.— Lis Smith (@Lis_Smith) September 7, 2012
Which morphed into this.
181 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:37:40am |
re: #176 darthstar
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God it must be nice to be Mitt and live in fantasy world. Yeah, Mitt you proposed to save the auto industry. That's why you wrote in large letters in the New York Times, Let Detroit Fail. Sheesh does this guy really think people are so stupid that they can't research and find out what he actually said?
183 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:38:02am |
re: #173 erik_t
Rabble rabble. You damned whipper-snappers have no idea how much work was involved in keeping an older vehicle in working order, and how much slop and daily pain-in-the-ass was accepted in the older definition of 'working order'.
Remember flooding engines? Remember a quarter-circle of play in the steering? Remember brake fade? Remember cars that broke down? Remember tune-ups every few thousand miles? Remember points!?
GAAAAAAAAH.
Remember the oil change every 3 months/3,000 miles? Did you know oil change places are still pushing that meme? I took my 2011 Ford Escape to the dealership after 3,000 miles to get my first free oil change and they laughed!
But when I took it to the oil change place for the second oil change (after 1 year) they scolded me for waiting so long.
185 | erik_t Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:38:21am |
re: #178 Tommy's cone of shame
points suck.
drum brakes suck
reflectors? we don't need no stinking reflectors.
non-radial tires suck
ford suxoops
I dearly loved the old ORD F100 (the F fell off of the hood rather promptly), but I don't miss it.
Three-on-the-tree, a foot of clutch travel with a whole 3/4" of it effective...
On the other hand, you could stand in the engine compartment while working on the 300.
186 | erik_t Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:39:41am |
re: #183 Learned Mother of Zion
Remember the oil change every 3 months/3,000 miles? Did you know oil change places are still pushing that meme? I took my 2011 Ford Escape to the dealership after 3,000 miles to get my first free oil change and they laughed!
But when I took it to the oil change place for the second oil change (after 1 year) they scolded me for waiting so long.
I still change at 4500 or so. They recycle the stuff, so the environmental impact is not high. The cost is trivial. And it's sure not doing the engine any harm.
It also encourages you to check all that other crap under the hood while you're busy, now that we don't have breakdown-prompted checking all of the time.
187 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:39:50am |
re: #185 erik_t
I dearly loved the old ORD F100 (the F fell off of the hood rather promptly), but I don't miss it.
Three-on-the-tree, a foot of clutch travel with a whole 3/4" of it effective...
On the other hand, you could stand in the engine compartment while working on the 300.
While it was parked in your garage while you were fixing with a set of tools you got at Sears for a total of less than $100
188 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:39:51am |
Why we have to stop using Nazi references in our discourse. tabletmag.com/jewish-news-an...— Grace Lidia Suarez (@gracels) September 7, 2012
189 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:40:34am |
190 | Mattand Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:40:38am |
re: #185 erik_t
I dearly loved the old ORD F100 (the F fell off of the hood rather promptly), but I don't miss it.
Three-on-the-tree, a foot of clutch travel with a whole 3/4" of it effective...
On the other hand, you could stand in the engine compartment while working on the 300.
Not quite the same, but my first car was a '78 Chevette. I could remove the oil filter by opening the hood and literally reaching down in to the engine. Now, I have no idea where the oil filter is.
191 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:41:07am |
re: #188 Gus
Why we have to stop using Nazi references in our discourse. tabletmag.com/jewish-news-an…
They can be allowed for anyone who has actually practiced mass genocide on an industrial scale, conquered and occupied countries and led to the destruction and partition of his home country...
192 | erik_t Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:41:32am |
re: #190 Mattand
Not quite the same, but my first car was a '78 Chevette. I could remove the oil filter by opening the hood and literally reaching down in to the engine. Now, I have no idea where the oil filter is.
I hope you budgeted for another few arm joints, because you'll need 'em!
But overall it's been a dramatically positive change and I bristle when I hear otherwise.
193 | Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:41:47am |
re: #185 erik_t
I was a proud owner of a Ford 200 l-6 and 300 l-6, I could find the oil filter easy enough. Front end needed new parts yearly.
Now?
Can't get straight six or standard transmission, but I love new tech!!!
194 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:43:07am |
re: #182 Gus
Which could have come from this quote [sic]:
"you talk about the things that you think are important"
And he didn't talk about the troops, therefore, one can only assume he didn't think they were important enough to recognize in his speech - even though we've been at war for 11 years and nobody in politics even dares to take a shit without recognizing the troops.
TOTAL War mentions during three days of the RNC: 14
During the DNC: 118 - nearly every speaker acknowledged the troops. THAT is how you show them that you appreciate their sacrifice.
195 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:43:45am |
re: #177 HappyWarrior
They're seriously talking about making Bolton his SoS?!?! Good lord. Then again I look at his judicial adviser. A man quite a few Republicans thought was too nuts for the USSC.
I've read that he was in the running - but that could have been wishful thinking by conservative yapping heads. They were talking up his stint as our UN Ambassador (which, in itself is funny, considering his stance on the UN) and what a great SecState he'd be.
The man is clearly not right.
But, honestly, people love Jeb Bush and he is just as big a neo-con as Bolton or Cheney or Kristol (all members of Kristol's PNAC).
196 | Mattand Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:44:14am |
re: #194 darthstar
And he didn't talk about the troops, therefore, one can only assume he didn't think they were important enough to recognize in his speech - even though we've been at war for 11 years and nobody in politics even dares to take a shit without recognizing the troops.
TOTAL War mentions during three days of the RNC: 14
During the DNC: 118 - nearly every speaker acknowledged the troops. THAT is how you show them that you appreciate their sacrifice.
Sorry if this has been covered, but do we have a source for the "talk about important stuff" quote?
197 | Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:44:44am |
re: #180 Gus
Started with this:
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Which morphed into this.
Ah, ok. Looks like more nonsense. Probably out of context or fake quote. Regardless, I don't think Mitt believes the troops are unimportant. He also doesn't believe America is company and Obama doesn't believe people didn't create their own business. The noise machine makes noise.
198 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:44:55am |
re: #185 erik_t
I dearly loved the old ORD F100 (the F fell off of the hood rather promptly), but I don't miss it.
Three-on-the-tree, a foot of clutch travel with a whole 3/4" of it effective...
On the other hand, you could stand in the engine compartment while working on the 300.
My neighbor had a '67 F100 with three on the tree...I wanted to buy it so bad (it was only $600 and ran great), but we were in the process of moving and didn't want to have to deal with moving the extra vehicle...I really regret that decision.
199 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:45:24am |
re: #190 Mattand
Not quite the same, but my first car was a '78 Chevette. I could remove the oil filter by opening the hood and literally reaching down in to the engine. Now, I have no idea where the oil filter is.
My dad wouldn't let me learn how to drive until I knew how to change the oil and change the tires.
200 | Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:46:43am |
re: #192 erik_t
You are absolutely correct, cars have come a long way for the better. I might bitch, but I forget 100k miles used to be all you could get out of a car. Now? I go 10,000 miles between oil changes and I don't have to climb under my VW. (I suck out the oil, keep your dirty minded comments to yourself;))
201 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:47:20am |
re: #196 Mattand
Sorry if this has been covered, but do we have a source for the "talk about important stuff" quote?
Apparently he said it on a Fox radio interview. I suspect the audio will be widely available soon if those are, in fact, his exact words.
202 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:47:22am |
re: #197 Killgore Trout
Ah, ok. Looks like more nonsense. Probably out of context or fake quote. Regardless, I don't think Mitt believes the troops are unimportant. He also doesn't believe America is company and Obama doesn't believe people didn't create their own business. The noise machine makes noise.
Here is the full quote
"When you give a speech you talk about the things you think are important and I described in my speech and my commitment to a strong military, unlike the president's decision to cut our military," Romney said. "And I didn't use the word troops. I used the word military. I think they refer to the same thing."
[Link: thehill.com...]
military spending/troops...same thing
203 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:48:23am |
re: #200 Tommy's cone of shame
Now? I go 10,000 miles between oil changes and I don't have to climb under my VW. (I suck out the oil, keep your dirty minded comments to yourself;))
Bug sucker.
204 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:48:50am |
re: #197 Killgore Trout
Ah, ok. Looks like more nonsense. Probably out of context or fake quote. Regardless, I don't think Mitt believes the troops are unimportant. He also doesn't believe America is company and Obama doesn't believe people didn't create their own business. The noise machine makes noise.
Yep. Must remain calm and not get sucked into that nonsense. There are plenty of things to hit Romney on namely on women's health, tax cuts for the wealthy, environment, regulation, etc.
205 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:48:54am |
re: #190 Mattand
Not quite the same, but my first car was a '78 Chevette. I could remove the oil filter by opening the hood and literally reaching down in to the engine. Now, I have no idea where the oil filter is.
It's at the oil change service place. They have racks of empty boxes labelled as filters.
206 | danarchy Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:50:00am |
re: #70 Gus
Let me see if I have this right. The DOW breaks the close from 2007. S&P are up as is NASDAQ. Unemployment went from 8.3% to 8.1% and continues on a downward trend. Consumer confidence is at an all time high.
I'm currently working on a large scale residential project and have a luxury residence to work on. These are all "team" projects.
This is bad economic news?
Your personal circumstances and the markets aside, when the unemployment rate falls because of dispirited people leaving the workforce that is not a good thing.
Not sure where you got the consumer confidence at an all time high either?
Consumer Confidence tumbles.
I am not blaming anyone but when you need 150000 jobs a month to keep up with a growing workforce and you get fewer than 100000 that's not good.
207 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:50:03am |
Seriously. Getting stuck on some semantic argument about what Romney said in his speech WRT to troops and/or military is a waste of time.
208 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:50:27am |
Anyone get into discussions on Linkdin? I'm in a long thick one over there about a new metal Tiffany sells in jewelry. But anyway we are so spoiled here! They have a like button, but navigating the comments is a pain. Replies are hard to pull out. Geez we got it good here.
209 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:50:33am |
re: #198 darthstar
My neighbor had a '67 F100 with three on the tree...I wanted to buy it so bad (it was only $600 and ran great), but we were in the process of moving and didn't want to have to deal with moving the extra vehicle...I really regret that decision.
I had an Austin with a reverse 4 on the tree. I was so confused.
210 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:50:51am |
Okay, no real big deal. And I agree, hit Romney on the issues. Because those are what matters in the grand scheme of things.
211 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:51:01am |
re: #208 Daniel Ballard
Anyone get into discussions on Linkdin? I'm in a long thick one over there about a new metal Tiffany sells in jewelry. But anyway we are so spoiled here! They have a like button, but navigating the comments is a pain. Replies are hard to pull out. Geez we got it good here.
I noticed that a long time ago.
212 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:52:11am |
re: #206 danarchy
Your personal circumstances and the markets aside, when the unemployment rate falls because of dispirited people leaving the workforce that is not a good thing.
Not sure where you got the consumer confidence at an all time high either?
Consumer Confidence tumbles.I am not blaming anyone but when you need 150000 jobs a month to keep up with a growing workforce and you get fewer than 100000 that's not good.
Ah. I must have mis-read. It's still stagnant.
213 | Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:52:31am |
re: #208 Daniel Ballard
OMG don't get me started on Tiffanys
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214 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:52:47am |
re: #202 blueraven
Here is the full quote
[Link: thehill.com...]
military spending/troops...same thing
Context, how does it work?
215 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:52:48am |
re: #202 blueraven
Here is the full quote
[Link: thehill.com...]
military/troops...same thing
"I want to spend more on the military" is not the same as "I appreciate the sacrifice of the troops" One is personal, the other is organizational. Romney speaks of the military as an entity, like a corporation. And we know he believes that "corporations are people, my friends", so I suppose in his twisted mind he was talking about the troops. But one thing he doesn't understand is that his audience doesn't process data the way he does.
I think Mitt Romney has a bug and his developers are at a loss as how to fix it without him rebooting and starting back at 1994 when he was a liberal.
216 | Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:53:52am |
re: #194 darthstar
TOTAL War mentions during three days of the RNC: 14
During the DNC: 118 - nearly every speaker acknowledged the troops. THAT is how you show them that you appreciate their sacrifice.
Of course if those numbers were reversed the moonbats would be crying about GOP warmongers. But the reason is simple; Dem president. If there was a Republican President the DNC wouldn't be praising the military successes over the past 4 years and parading troops on stage, etc. They certainly didn;t do it in the Bush years and when the next Republican comes to office they'll go back to criticizing the use of military force and will offer more muted praise for the military.
Dems would have flipped their shit if a republican gave Kerry's speech (praising Israel, threatening Iran) at RNC with a Republican president in office. Hell, if he posted it here he'd be hounded as a wingnut troll.
It really does suck that the military and troops become a partisan issue depending on who's in the White House. I think it's shitty but that's just the way it is.
218 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:54:17am |
re: #207 Gus
Seriously. Getting stuck on some semantic argument about what Romney said in his speech WRT to troops and/or military is a waste of time.
Well let's face facts. The republicans for the most part (other than increased military spending) ignored Afghanistan and any mention of our troops. They left a wide gaping open hole which the Democrats jumped all over.
The Republicans fucked up.
If the Democrats had gone first and it was reversed, republicans would do the same.
219 | Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:54:23am |
re: #215 darthstar
Your last paragraph is EFFING BRILLIANT@!
220 | Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:55:39am |
re: #202 blueraven
"When you give a speech you talk about the things you think are important and I described in my speech and my commitment to a strong military, unlike the president's decision to cut our military," Romney said. "And I didn't use the word troops. I used the word military. I think they refer to the same thing."
Ah, ok. That makes sense. Today's outrageous outrage isn't so outrageous, as usual.
221 | jaunte Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:57:17am |
re: #215 darthstar
"I want to spend more on the military" is not the same as "I appreciate the sacrifice of the troops" One is personal, the other is organizational.
Increased defense spending is also an odd thing to combine with concern for reducing our deficit. We're spending more now than at the peak of the Cold War.
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222 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:57:18am |
re: #208 Daniel Ballard
Anyone get into discussions on Linkdin? I'm in a long thick one over there about a new metal Tiffany sells in jewelry. But anyway we are so spoiled here! They have a like button, but navigating the comments is a pain. Replies are hard to pull out. Geez we got it good here.
I bought my wife Tiffany earrings for Xmas last year, but this is my favorite piece of Tiffany jewelry she has...and I didn't have to pay for it. I'm hoping she gets another one this year.
223 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:57:44am |
re: #220 Killgore Trout
Ah, ok. That makes sense. Today's outrageous outrage isn't so outrageous, as usual.
It was a self inflicted wound. He did not mention the troops. He did not thank them. He did not mention the war in Afghanistan.
All he is talking about here is military spending.
224 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:58:48am |
re: #222 darthstar
I bought my wife Tiffany earrings for Xmas last year, but this is my favorite piece of Tiffany jewelry she has...and I didn't have to pay for it. I'm hoping she gets another one this year.
How?
225 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:59:04am |
Romney's laundry list of important things does not include troops. #tcot #teaparty ~ Quit wrapping yourself w/flag.This is your candidate.— Anna (@ItsaSwellLife) September 7, 2012
226 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:59:17am |
People like Romney want to spend more on weapons systems and cut benefits and aid to veterans and GI families. That is the difference between "the military" and "the troops".
And since advances in medical technology mean that more wounded vets are surviving, it is cosing us more. It is generally cheaper for the military to pay off the dead family with a lump life insurance sum thatn to maintain a disabled GI for the rest of his life.
227 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:59:23am |
re: #218 blueraven
Well lace face facts. The republicans for the most part (other than increased military spending) ignored Afghanistan and any mention of our troops. They left a wide gaping open hole which the Democrats jumped all over.
The Republicans fucked up.
If the Democrats had gone first and it was reversed, republicans would do the same.
While Obama was introduced by Dick Durbin. [Cough]
The talking points should be positive and not negative. It should not be "Mitt Romney doesn't care about the troops" or something to that effect but instead "Barack Obama cares about our troops."
228 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:01:23am |
re: #222 darthstar
Nice. Champion of? What was the event?
229 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:01:49am |
re: #224 b_sharp
How?
SF Giants gave key people in their org rings. As she runs their high end food services (via subcontractor), she was included. Feed the team, get a ring.
230 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:01:58am |
re: #227 Gus
While Obama was introduced by Dick Durbin. [Cough]
The talking points should be positive and not negative. It should not be "Mitt Romney doesn't care about the troops" or something to that effect but instead "Barack Obama cares about our troops."
But Obama never said any such thing.
Surely you are not blaming him for something DD said in 2005?
This is a twitter meme and has nothing to do with anything Obama said.
231 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:02:09am |
re: #227 Gus
While Obama was introduced by Dick Durbin. [Cough]
The talking points should be positive and not negative. It should not be "Mitt Romney doesn't care about the troops" or something to that effect but instead "Barack Obama cares about our troops."
Our homeschool group rules (for the kids) are positive on purpose. We say "walk indoors," rather than "don't run."
This is because they can also somersault, skip, cartwheel, hop, roll, jump, and so on. Rather than just amend the rules to cover every last thing other than walk they can do, we just tell them to walk.
232 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:02:09am |
233 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:02:50am |
re: #230 blueraven
This is a twitter meme and has nothing to do with anything Obama said.
Please, talk about Twitter on Twitter, I want nothing to do with the stuff anymore.
234 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:03:08am |
re: #230 blueraven
But Obama never said any such thing.
Surely you are not blaming him for something DD said in 2005?
This is a twitter meme and has nothing to do with anything Obama said.
No, I am not. I'm pointing out what other people might perceive.
235 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:03:42am |
re: #231 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Our homeschool group rules (for the kids) are positive on purpose. We say "walk indoors," rather than "don't run."
This is because they can also somersault, skip, cartwheel, hop, roll, jump, and so on. Rather than just amend the rules to cover every last thing other than walk they can do, we just tell them to walk.
Yes. It's something akin to "positive reinforcement."
236 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:04:06am |
re: #233 Expand Your Ground
Please, talk about Twitter on Twitter, I want nothing to do with the stuff anymore.
I agree, I am not on twitter, and find it for the most part, infantile.
237 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:05:43am |
re: #231 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Our homeschool group rules (for the kids) are positive on purpose. We say "walk indoors," rather than "don't run."
I learned that early on with my kids: "No TV until you finish your homework!" presents the wrong kind of challenge, try "As soon as you finish your homework, you can watch TV until bedtime."
238 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:06:27am |
"Promoted by Paul Ryan"
Our economy runs on freedom, not government. It's time we put our faith back in the American people #BelieveInAmerica #RomneyRyan2012— Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) August 31, 2012
That reminds me, I need to put some more freedom in my car...it's getting low.
239 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:06:43am |
re: #236 blueraven
I agree, I am not on twitter, and find it for the most part, infantile.
Daddy, Momma, I made a poopy.
A good number of us are on twitter.
240 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:07:20am |
re: #207 Gus
Seriously. Getting stuck on some semantic argument about what Romney said in his speech WRT to troops and/or military is a waste of time.
Here is the full Romney interview from today. The section about the military starts at about the 6 minute mark.
241 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:07:23am |
re: #236 blueraven
I agree, I am not on twitter, and find it for the most part, infantile.
Me too, though I am on Twitter...but I figured in an election season it was worth diving in and playing.
242 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:08:01am |
re: #241 darthstar
Me too, though I am on Twitter...but I figured in an election season it was worth diving in and playing.
Right after posting a Tweet.
243 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:08:19am |
re: #238 darthstar
"Promoted by Paul Ryan"
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That reminds me, I need to put some more freedom in my car...it's getting low.
More weak sauce from the Romney campaign and reenforcing what POTUS said about how they think government is always the problem.
244 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:09:00am |
re: #242 Gus
Right after posting a Tweet.
OMG! I feel so ironic!— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 7, 2012
245 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:09:26am |
re: #239 b_sharp
Daddy, Momma, I made a poopy.
A good number of us are on twitter.
Sorry, I just cant take most of it seriously.
Some use it judiciously, but it is often a back and forth of hate and one- upsmanship.
247 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:10:00am |
Face to face conversations used to utilize full length sentences. In 10 years all we'll hear will be sound bites of 140 characters or less.
248 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:10:01am |
re: #242 Gus
Right after posting a Tweet.
It can be infantile...but so can everything on the internet. Just look at RedState.
249 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:10:14am |
I had a Twitter account briefly. Talked some politics but mostly sports stuff. I'm too much of a rambler for less than 140 characters.
250 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:10:15am |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
Of course if those numbers were reversed the moonbats would be crying about GOP warmongers. But the reason is simple; Dem president. If there was a Republican President the DNC wouldn't be praising the military successes over the past 4 years and parading troops on stage, etc. They certainly didn;t do it in the Bush years and when the next Republican comes to office they'll go back to criticizing the use of military force and will offer more muted praise for the military.
Dems would have flipped their shit if a republican gave Kerry's speech (praising Israel, threatening Iran) at RNC with a Republican president in office. Hell, if he posted it here he'd be hounded as a wingnut troll.
It really does suck that the military and troops become a partisan issue depending on who's in the White House. I think it's shitty but that's just the way it is.
Who are the people who are always yammering on about how Obama hates the military and hates the troops?
251 | Aye Pod Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:10:51am |
re: #24 Gus
I guess Clint wants to go out in a ball of flame by being a stupid wingnut much like John Wayne did. All his life he's kept a low profile even while being in politics. Now? He's just another dipshit wingnut who can go fuck himself.
Something happened to the old geezer. Cherche le butthurt.
252 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:10:53am |
re: #245 blueraven
Sorry, I just cant take most of it seriously.
Some use it judiciously, but it is often a back and forth of hate and one- upsmanship.
Just like on forums/blogs/newsgroups/drunken parties. No?
253 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:10:59am |
re: #247 b_sharp
Face to face conversations used to utilize full length sentences. In 10 years all we'll hear will be sound bites of 140 characters or less.
Heh, I entered a short short fiction contest for Esquire this summer where the entry had to be exactly 79 words. That was quite a challenge.
254 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:11:25am |
re: #247 b_sharp
Face to face conversations used to utilize full length sentences. In 10 years all we'll hear will be sound bites of 140 characters or less.
Can I be honest?
4, u, ur, i, gr8, and all their ilk give me a rash.
255 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:11:31am |
re: #238 darthstar
"Our economy runs on freedom, not government. It’s time we put our faith back in the American people"
And let Detroit fail. And let the banks fail. And let BP and Shell Oil determine environmental standards. The people, yes.
256 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:11:31am |
re: #253 HappyWarrior
Heh, I entered a short short fiction contest for Esquire this summer where the entry had to be exactly 79 words. That was quite a challenge.
I always like those kinds of challenges.
257 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:11:39am |
re: #249 HappyWarrior
I had a Twitter account briefly. Talked some politics but mostly sports stuff. I'm too much of a rambler for less than 140 characters.
258 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:12:09am |
re: #248 darthstar
It can be infantile...but so can everything on the internet. Just look at RedState.
I think it's funny. I didn't get that Durbin thing from Twitter but instead it was a thought that crossed my mind last night. Frankly, I don't like Durbin and never will. Otherwise, Twitter has become an integral part of the internet and Little Green Footballs. Charles has been on there for several years and it is a useful tool in generating traffic to LGF.
259 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:12:13am |
re: #256 darthstar
I always like those kinds of challenges.
Yeah here's my entry:
He stood at the ship’s rear. His whole life was contained in a bag. To say goodbye to home is never an easy proposition. His cigarette is lit and he lets out a cough. The seagulls squeak and the whales lament. The ship sets out and slowly the only land he’s ever known disappears from his eyes. The only thing ahead of his eyes is a vast ocean of blue. And then the sun goes down for the expat.
260 | lawhawk Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:12:43am |
re: #249 HappyWarrior
I had a Twitter account briefly. Talked some politics but mostly sports stuff. I'm too much of a rambler for less than 140 characters.
y u say dat? /
261 | Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:13:18am |
Call your Dr. if a tax cuts lasts more than 4 hours RT @markknoller Obama ridicules GOP tax cuts calls:"Tax cuts to improve your love life."
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) September 7, 2012
262 | AK-47% Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:13:23am |
re: #243 HappyWarrior
More weak sauce from the Romney campaign and reenforcing what POTUS said about how they think government is always the problem.
I really wish i could have been aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan when they were sent to japüan to offer tsunami relief, especially when the captain presented his credentials and said, "We're from the US government and we're here to help you!"
264 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:14:00am |
re: #262 Expand Your Ground
I really wish i could have been aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan when they were sent to japüan to offer tsunami relief, especially when the captain presented his credentials and said, "We're from the US government and we're here to help you!"
Haha, yeah kind of shows the fallacy of that old Reagan quote.
265 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:14:13am |
re: #258 Gus
I think it's funny. I didn't get that Durbin thing from Twitter but instead it was a thought that crossed my mind last night. Frankly, I don't like Durbin and never will. Otherwise, Twitter has become an integral part of the internet and Little Green Footballs. Charles has been on there for several years and it is a useful tool in generating traffic to LGF.
Also agreed. It's part of our culture. I don't regret joining twitter at all.
266 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:15:20am |
Romney speaking in Iowa. The one Asian girl they found to put behind him in the audience is playing on her smart phone.
267 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:15:43am |
re: #261 Mocking Jay
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Good thing Mitt and Paul aren't my cardiologist because they would have suggested a tax cut to help thin my heart's wall.
268 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:17:21am |
re: #266 darthstar
Romney speaking in Iowa. The one Asian girl they found to put behind him in the audience is playing on her smart phone.
And some kids are walking out. Oh, god...Mitt's whining again.
269 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:17:28am |
re: #236 blueraven
I agree, I am not on twitter, and find it for the most part, infantile.
That's how I used to view Twitter but now I am addicted. News hits Twitter far, far faster than any other medium. And being a news junkie, that is truly addicting.
270 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:17:44am |
re: #265 darthstar
Also agreed. It's part of our culture. I don't regret joining twitter at all.
It used to drive me crazy sometimes. Getting these out of the blue Tweet from the wingnuts. Got into a swarm once which was caused by that weirdo, GayPatriot. So, I no longer add conservative hashtags like #tcot. Also try to avoid harassing people which only leads to never ending Twitter fights.
271 | Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:18:28am |
Marcos "Screw Them" Moulistas is on the case
Shocking no one, Mitt Romney is a dick to our troops
With shocking outrageously outrageous video.
272 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:18:32am |
Cheer up!
Gallup: Obama approval up to 52%; leading Romney 48-45: gallup.com/home.aspx— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) September 7, 2012
273 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:18:55am |
re: #103 ReamWorks SKG
We just disagree here. I support affordable housing. So anything that stops propping up house prices is a Good Thing.
I make affordable housing. I can drive past 90 Habitat houses in my town and say:
"I Built That."
274 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:19:49am |
From Gallup just now:Obama gains another 3% in approval, 7% total during DNC, and now up to recent record 52%.bit.ly/OdyUTc— Greg Mitchell (@GregMitch) September 7, 2012
275 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:20:38am |
re: #271 Killgore Trout
Marcos "Screw Them" Moulistas is on the case
Shocking no one, Mitt Romney is a dick to our troopsWith shocking outrageously outrageous video.
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I'm not on board and think this is a dishonest mischaracterization of Mitt Romney.
276 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:21:07am |
re: #271 Killgore Trout
Marcos "Screw Them" Moulistas is on the case
Shocking no one, Mitt Romney is a dick to our troopsWith shocking outrageously outrageous video.
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He did say he talked about what he thought was important and the troops were not mentioned. Only military spending.
Spin it any way you want.
277 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:21:17am |
re: #273 Decatur Deb
I make affordable housing. I can drive past 90 Habitat houses in my town and say:
"I Built That."
All by your lonesome?
278 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:21:23am |
Good news for Arlen.
Great news....Godspeed to Senator Specter, released from hospital today.Still, pound for pound, the toughest politician.— Michael Smerconish (@smerconish) September 7, 2012
279 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:21:42am |
re: #271 Killgore Trout
Marcos "Screw Them" Moulistas is on the case
Shocking no one, Mitt Romney is a dick to our troopsWith shocking outrageously outrageous video.
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I already posted the link to the whole interview which included Romney's lame reasons for not mentioning the troops (because he spoke to the American Legion the day before and the VFW the week before).
280 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:22:53am |
re: #277 b_sharp
All by your lonesome?
With a lot of other people, some of whom are even Republicans.
281 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:23:33am |
re: #275 Gus
I'm not on board and think this is a dishonest mischaracterization of Mitt Romney.
I don't think it is. Military spending is not the same as troops. Veterans are not the same as people who are currently fighting and dying in a war that Romney didn't bother to mention, yet he wants to be the Commander in Chief.
282 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:23:43am |
re: #280 Decatur Deb
With a lot of other people, some of whom are even Republicans.
Bipartisan builder.
The gov needs you.
283 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:25:00am |
re: #282 b_sharp
Bipartisan builder.
The gov needs you.
The gov (DoD) had me for 30 years, now I'm correcting the karma.
284 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:25:22am |
re: #276 blueraven
He did say he talked about what he thought was important and the troops were not mentioned. Only military spending.
Spin in any way you want.
Military spending and the people putting their lives on the line are NOT the same thing. Period.
285 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:25:25am |
re: #281 Sionainn
I don't think it is. Military spending is not the same as troops. Veterans are not the same as people who are currently fighting and dying in a war that Romney didn't bother to mention, yet he wants to be the Commander in Chief.
I won't do it.
286 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:25:54am |
It's a small thing I guess in the grand scheme of things but I think it's just weird he couldn't even a muster an acknowledgment especially when he had such a hawkish posture up there. If one of the biggest problems is that you're perceived as being out of touch and snobby, you would think that they'd be working to tweak that a little. Weird.
287 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:27:02am |
re: #275 Gus
I'm not on board and think this is a dishonest mischaracterization of Mitt Romney.
It can certainly be taken overboard by people like KOS.
But the quote itself is true.
I know that Romney is not stupid, so this was a calculated omission by him for some reason that I dont quite get.
288 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:27:17am |
re: #285 Gus
I won't do it.
That's okay. I don't have a problem doing it. He had another chance to mention the troops and the war in Afghanistan in this interview and all he could think to do was try to cover his butt.
289 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:27:52am |
re: #281 Sionainn
I don't think it is. Military spending is not the same as troops. Veterans are not the same as people who are currently fighting and dying in a war that Romney didn't bother to mention, yet he wants to be the Commander in Chief.
Top that with the fact that he protested in favor of Vietnam and that neither he nor any of his sons have ever served.
While I don't think his quote was outrageous in and of itself, it stands as a reflection of the impersonal view of the military he projects.
290 | Charleston Chew Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:27:55am |
re: #7 Mocking Jay
Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'
Wow. Greatest ever.
Eastwood is an actor, and actors have above-average emotional intelligence but below-average rational intelligence. That's why they need an agent to get them a job, an accountant to manage their money, a writer to tell them what to say, and a director to tell them what to do.
But they're great in movies.
291 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:29:24am |
re: #289 OhNoZombies!
Top that with the fact that he protested in favor of Vietnam and that neither he nor any of his sons have ever served.
While I don't think his quote was outrageous in and of itself, it stands as a reflection of the impersonal view of the military he projects.
This.
292 | Kragar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:29:33am |
GOP Congressman Tells Voters That Comparing Immigrants To Dogs Was Really A ‘Compliment’
Congressman Steve King (R-IA) participated in a radio debate with Democratic challenger Christie Vilsack last night, and was given a chance to explain a comment he made in May comparing immigrants to dogs.
But instead of apologizing, or even explaining how he simply misspoke, King told the audience that the comment was really meant as a compliment, and that anyone who interpreted it as an insult — namely, everyone — was simply motivated by partisanship and incapable of cooperation:
VILSACK: Frankly, he’s been a bully, and he’s an embarrassment to the people of Iowa when he talks about immigrants as animals. If my mother were here she would say to Congressman King ‘show some decency.’KING: …This American vigor that we have that comes from legal immigrants who came to this country with a dream — we get the cream of the crop of every donor civilization on the planet — and people that can take a compliment and turn it into an insult are not going to be constructive working across the isle. But that’s what that was, was a compliment. And everyone who was there that heard that knows that.
293 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:29:49am |
re: #290 Charleston Chew
Eastwood is an actor, and actors have above-average emotional intelligence but below-average rational intelligence. That's why they need an agent to get them a job, an accountant to manage their money, a writer to tell them what to say, and a director to tell them what to do.
But they're great in movies.
Actors make believe better than non-actors.
294 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:30:24am |
re: #289 OhNoZombies!
Top that with the fact that he protested in favor of Vietnam and that neither he nor any of his sons have ever served.
While I don't think his quote was outrageous in and of itself, it stands as a reflection of the impersonal view of the military he projects.
Good point.
295 | Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:30:52am |
I don't usually link to Think Progress but.....
MSNBC Host: Democrats’ Jerusalem Move Was ‘Craven Capitulation,’ ‘It’s Bad Policy’
296 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:30:56am |
re: #293 Learned Mother of Zion
Actors make believe better than non-actors.
And chefs cook better than other people. And carpenters build things better than other people.
297 | Barflytom Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:31:15am |
re: #70 Gus
.... Unemployment went from 8.3% to 8.1% and continues on a downward trend. Consumer confidence is at an all time high.......
The unemployment rate fell because of the number of people who've given up looking for work.
"The Conference Board Consumer Confidence Index® Declines in August. Now at Lowest Level since November 2011"....
[Link: www.conference-board.org...]
Where exactly do you get your information ?
298 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:31:32am |
Perhaps Romney wanted to keep this election and his speech focused so much on the economy to the extent that he felt introducing anything about war, Afghanistan or even the troops would remind people that Obama has been a good CIC.
It was a mistake to do so and I think he shot himself in the foot.
299 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:31:46am |
re: #289 OhNoZombies!
Top that with the fact that he protested in favor of Vietnam and that neither he nor any of his sons have ever served.
While I don't think his quote was outrageous in and of itself, it stands as a reflection of the impersonal view of the military he projects.
...and that should scare anyone who thinks Mitt would be a good president. I don't want a Commander in Chief who appears not to think of the military as people with lives and families. It's not a fucking game.
300 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:32:22am |
DERP
less people working now than at any other time since 1981. obama's solution? raise the taxes on the ones working. cnbc.com/id/48938568— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) September 7, 2012
301 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:33:06am |
re: #292 Kragar
GOP Congressman Tells Voters That Comparing Immigrants To Dogs Was Really A ‘Compliment’
Steve King doing his best "I'm the biggest douche" in Congress routine again I see. I'm sure Louie Gohmert and Michele Bachmann are pissed but that's their gig!
302 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:33:35am |
Romney: "On Day One, I will kill General Motors and bring Bin Laden back to life:" bit.ly/OfzQXn— Andy Borowitz (@BorowitzReport) September 7, 2012
303 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:34:06am |
re: #300 Learned Mother of Zion
DERP
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Yeah because only millionaires work. Seriously, what a load of horseshit. But hey tax cuts above all, right.
304 | Charleston Chew Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:34:38am |
re: #300 Learned Mother of Zion
DERP
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By "the ones working" does he mean millionaires? Brushing your dressage horse doesn't count as work.
305 | Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:35:28am |
re: #298 blueraven
Perhaps Romney wanted to keep this election and his speech focused so much on the economy to the extent that he felt introducing anything about war, Afghanistan or even the troops would remind people that Obama has been a good CIC.
It was a mistake to do so and I think he shot himself in the foot.
There that and he doesn't have an alternative plan for Afghanistan. He's done some minor bitching about lack of US leadership in Syria but that probably needs to wait until after the election. He's also offered no alternative for Iran. Obama has all the foreign policy bases covered and it's tough to find major flaws or radical alternatives to differentiate himself from Obama. Some minor quibbles is the best he can do.
306 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:35:59am |
re: #304 Charleston Chew
By "the ones working" does he mean millionaires? Brushing your dressage horse doesn't count as work.
Well, it does if a minimum-wage stable hand is doing the brushing.
307 | ShaunP Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:36:31am |
No kidding:
Obama: I should make Bill Clinton "Secretary of 'Splaining Stuff" tpm.ly/P1FIi0
— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) September 7, 2012
308 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:37:55am |
Oh boy.
Joe Walsh: Tammy Duckworth Will Only Debate 'Which Outfit She'll Be Wearing'
"It has become abundantly clear that at this point the only debate Ms. Duckworth is actually interested in having is which outfit she’ll be wearing for her big speech."
309 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:38:13am |
So, should it be Dell or Lenovo? Dell has a 17" screen but do I really need that big of a laptop?
310 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:38:37am |
Even Fox News is getting fed up with Romney's lack of details about what he plans to do when he takes office...
JARRETT: He’s not saying which of the loopholes and deductions and credits and exemptions he wants to close. That is huge. That’s significant. How can he not tell the American people those facts?
CHEN: Well, let’s back up for a second. This is a race about two dramatically different philosophies. [...] As you’ve said, they’re going to get rid of some of this underbrush, some of the deductions and some of the exemptions that are clouding our tax code.
JARRETT: But why won’t he explain how and which ones and by how much?
CHEN: Well, you know, a number of different bipartisan commissions over the years have told us exactly how we get there. The key is presidential leadership and that’s something that’s been lacking. That’s something that Governor Mitt Romney is going to provide in the White House.
JARRETT: But Mr. Chen, forgive me, you’re just not answering my question. So let me put it again: which loopholes and deductions and credits and exemptions the President’s going to get rid of would affect all Americans. Before they cast their ballot, don’t they deserve to know which ones are going, which ones are not, and by how much?
CHEN: Look Greg, Governor Romney’s been very clear that first of all we’re going to look to curb deductions for high-income taxpayers. And secondly, a lot of different deductions and exemptions are out there, we’ve got a lot of different ways to get there.
311 | Kragar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:38:47am |
re: #308 Gus
Oh boy.
Joe Walsh: Tammy Duckworth Will Only Debate 'Which Outfit She'll Be Wearing'
"It has become abundantly clear that at this point the only debate Ms. Duckworth is actually interested in having is which outfit she’ll be wearing for her big speech."
Yeah, acting like an utter douchebag will be sure to win votes.
312 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:39:20am |
re: #308 Gus
Oh boy.
Joe Walsh: Tammy Duckworth Will Only Debate 'Which Outfit She'll Be Wearing'
"It has become abundantly clear that at this point the only debate Ms. Duckworth is actually interested in having is which outfit she’ll be wearing for her big speech."
This is how a man who knows his political career is fucked talks. And goes back to what I was saying about certain members of the Republican caucus having an internal race to be the biggest dickhead.
313 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:39:42am |
re: #305 Killgore Trout
There that and he doesn't have an alternative plan for Afghanistan. He's done some minor bitching about lack of US leadership in Syria but that probably needs to wait until after the election. He's also offered no alternative for Iran. Obama has all the foreign policy bases covered and it's tough to find major flaws or radical alternatives to differentiate himself from Obama. Some minor quibbles is the best he can do.
Yes, and that is exactly my point. It was a rank political decision not to mention the troops.
314 | lawhawk Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:41:31am |
re: #309 Learned Mother of Zion
You can never have a big enough screen IMO. I've got dual screens at work, and my home computer has dual 23 inch monitors. A decision I will never regret.
It makes it much easier on your eyes if you have a bigger screen, even on a laptop. If you're going to be regularly traveling with it, a smaller screen might then make sense.
315 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:41:32am |
re: #309 Learned Mother of Zion
So, should it be Dell or Lenovo? Dell has a 17" screen but do I really need that big of a laptop?
I've got a Macbook Pro for the first time, and I hate to admit, I love it. (and I'm a lifelong PC evangelist). But given the choice between Lenovo and Dell, I'd take a Lenovo any day. I've had Dells, and they just don't have the life of the IBM/Lenovo laptops. Get a Lenovo with a 15" screen and you'll be glad you did.
316 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:43:24am |
re: #312 HappyWarrior
This is how a man who knows his political career is fucked talks. And goes back to what I was saying about certain members of the Republican caucus having an internal race to be the biggest dickhead.
With Walsh one doesn't have to verify his crazy statements.
317 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:44:34am |
re: #316 Gus
With Walsh one doesn't have to verify his crazy statements.
Ha, indeed. Guy goes out of his way to act like a dick.
318 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:45:51am |
@gregmitch In other words...Obama's bounce started during the RNC.I'm okay with that. #p2 #forward2012— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 7, 2012
319 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:46:07am |
Ugh.
Homeopathy shock! Man caught peeing in reservoir, so 30 million litres drained. Politicians need educating.bit.ly/kM53AL— Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins) September 7, 2012
320 | ShaunP Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:47:50am |
This again?
As Romney speaks notice he is smart enough to do so wo TelePrompTer unlike obama
— ChuckGrassley (@ChuckGrassley) September 7, 2012
321 | The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:48:44am |
322 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:48:49am |
324 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:49:19am |
re: #320 ShaunP
This again?
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This wouldn't be so sad and pathetic if Grassley wasn't a member of the US Senate and is in fact a fairly high senior member of that body. Grow up Grassley.
325 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:49:48am |
re: #319 Gus
Ugh.
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...City Commissioner Randy Leonard, who is in charge of the water bureau, defended the decision, citing a potential public health risk. He said he worried about the possibility of chlamydia or AIDS from blood in urine.
"I'm for taking the most conservative approach," he said.
Dr. Gary Oxman, the county health officer, said the risk was so close to nil that it falls in the "never say never" range. Even with the uncertainty over an object thrown in the water, "that's still a very small risk," he said.
The young man, Josh Seater, told KATU-TV he'd been drinking, was with friends and thought that the reservoir was a sewage treatment plant. He said he felt guilty instantly, and then security guards arrived.
"I knew I did wrong when I did it," he told the station.
Besides the sewage charge, Shaff said, the flushed water is worth $28,000.
The Mount Hood watershed that supplies the city is brimming this spring, with roughly 30.3 million litres flowing through it about every half hour.
"If I lived in Texas, I might have had a different response," he said.
326 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:51:03am |
Occupiers burn their voter registration cards in protest
Occupy Chicago members gathered yesterday and some of them burned their voter registration cards in protest against this year's elections. They believe that there is no good candidate and are abstaining from voting. The protest took place in front of President Obama's campaign headquarters at 130 East Randolph as the Democratic National Convention entered it's last day.
327 | Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:51:21am |
328 | ShaunP Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:51:26am |
re: #324 HappyWarrior
This wouldn't be so sad and pathetic if Grassley wasn't a member of the US Senate and is in fact a fairly high senior member of that body. Grow up Grassley.
Further to that point:
Note that if Republicans take the Senate, Grassley would be Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee
— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) September 7, 2012
329 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:51:41am |
Speaking of homeopathy...
About to skype into live.huffingtonpost.com right now! Join us to talk about homeopathy!— Cara Santa Maria (@CaraSantaMaria) September 7, 2012
330 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:52:37am |
331 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:52:38am |
If you follow anti-teleprompter bias to its logical conclusion, you get Clint Eastwood. SO AUTHENTIC!— Bearded Stoner (@beardedstoner) September 7, 2012
332 | The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:52:45am |
re: #323 Gus
Grassley is such a bozo. They all use teleprompters.
Sen Grassley make his speeches by reading off of clay cuneiform tablests, as God intended.
333 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:54:35am |
Hello Americans, turn head to the right and smile awkwardly, I come in peace. twitpic.com/as3bpw— roadkillrefugee (@rkref) September 7, 2012
334 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:54:36am |
re: #328 ShaunP
Further to that point:
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Yeah, really the teleprompter jokes are so stupid. As already pointed out by Gus, all these guys use them. Hell if I were a politician, I'd use one and not have any second qualms about it.
335 | allegro Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:55:01am |
re: #327 Mocking Jay
The conservative approach is to waste all that water?
It seems to be an open reservoir. How many birds flying over it poop in it? How many mosquitoes lay eggs in it?
Yeah, there's nothing "conservative" about this level of waste of resources or money.
336 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:56:10am |
re: #332 The Ghost of a Flea
Sen Grassley make his speeches by reading off of clay cuneiform tablests, as God intended.
@chuckgrassley That's because Mitt Romney has the innate ability to talk out of his ass in any environment. #p2 #tlot— Gus (@Gus_802) September 7, 2012
337 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:57:57am |
Daily Kos: Tom Petty "Got Chills" When the DNC Used His Song "Won't Back Down" When POTUS Walked on Stage dailykos.com/story/2012/09/... via @dailykos— BWD (@theonlyadult) September 7, 2012
338 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:58:23am |
You know would have used a teleprompter I bet if they had them at the time, Jefferson. Everything I've read about Thomas Jefferson has told me that the guy just didn't do public speaking that well. It's too bad the phonograph was invented after the civil war because how could would it be to hear what guys like Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln sounded like? Or with the first two what they actually looked like too. Small thing I know.
339 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:59:22am |
re: #300 Learned Mother of Zion
DERP
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Only if you consider millionaires to be 'workers'.
340 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:00:32am |
re: #329 Gus
Speaking of homeopathy...
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Ugh. Face palm. Listening to some whacko supporting homeopathy... Dr. Iris Bell.
341 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:00:50am |
re: #309 Learned Mother of Zion
So, should it be Dell or Lenovo? Dell has a 17" screen but do I really need that big of a laptop?
Only if you are a gamer.
342 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:01:18am |
re: #340 Gus
Ugh. Face palm. Listening to some whacko supporting homeopathy... Dr. Iris Bell.
[Link: live.huffingtonpost.com...]
Squirming here.
343 | Interesting Times Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:02:37am |
I could have told you this right at the start ;)
Please share >> RT @salon: Democrats win the fact-checking wars salon.com/2012/09/07/dem... via @sallykohn #DNC #RNC— Sally Kohn (@sallykohn) September 7, 2012
344 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:04:07am |
re: #314 lawhawk
You can never have a big enough screen IMO. I've got dual screens at work, and my home computer has dual 23 inch monitors. A decision I will never regret.
It makes it much easier on your eyes if you have a bigger screen, even on a laptop. If you're going to be regularly traveling with it, a smaller screen might then make sense.
Laptop = movement.
A price comparable desktop is more powerful with larger screens.
I have a number of customers who went back to 15.6" and 16" notebooks after lugging around 17" for a few years.
If you need to use a notebook/laptop in a static position, buy an extra monitor, say a 23/24" and plug it in to the notebook.
345 | lawhawk Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:06:18am |
re: #344 b_sharp
While that's generally the case, some people buy laptops because they don't want the clutter of a desktop system - and want to be able to tote the laptop around their home (not necessarily taking it on the road).
I agree that if you're going to go on the road, a smaller laptop make sense - lighter is better, but screen size matters to those who are constantly on computers on a daily basis.
346 | Someone Please Beam Me Up! Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:06:27am |
re: #309 Learned Mother of Zion
So, should it be Dell or Lenovo? Dell has a 17" screen but do I really need that big of a laptop?
Don't look at me, I still love my netbook, teeny tiny screen and all.
347 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:06:44am |
re: #326 NJDhockeyfan
That's fucking brilliant.
Do they also take their balls home and not play anymore when they get a booboo?
348 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:07:14am |
Quick! Use a GOP trick and somebody get some troops in Afghanistan and get them to hold a handmade banner saying: We are important. #GO— KCGibbons (@KCGibbons) September 7, 2012
349 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:07:47am |
Hey Mitt, American Soldiers are people, my friend.— Nate (@TheCombatNurse) September 7, 2012
350 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:07:50am |
re: #329 Gus
Speaking of homeopathy...
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Science people, science.
Homeopathy is a snake-oil scam.
351 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:08:24am |
re: #347 b_sharp
That's fucking brilliant.
Do they also take their balls home and not play anymore when they get a booboo?
Yep. I think that's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.
352 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:08:26am |
re: #334 HappyWarrior
Yeah, really the teleprompter jokes are so stupid. As already pointed out by Gus, all these guys use them. Hell if I were a politician, I'd use one and not have any second qualms about it.
I had a second qualm once. It gave me heartburn.
354 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:09:57am |
re: #344 b_sharp
Laptop = movement.
A price comparable desktop is more powerful with larger screens.I have a number of customers who went back to 15.6" and 16" notebooks after lugging around 17" for a few years.
If you need to use a notebook/laptop in a static position, buy an extra monitor, say a 23/24" and plug it in to the notebook.
The laptop I am replacing is a 17" Dell. I like the larger screen, but it is very bulky for traveling. I don't feel any particular loyalty to Dell since several of their products have totally crapped out on me.
355 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:10:33am |
356 | dragonfire1981 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:12:19am |
re: #292 Kragar
GOP Congressman Tells Voters That Comparing Immigrants To Dogs Was Really A ‘Compliment’
Mr. King, from a proud hard working immigrant: Screw you and the high horse you rode in on.
357 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:14:58am |
re: #345 lawhawk
While that's generally the case, some people buy laptops because they don't want the clutter of a desktop system - and want to be able to tote the laptop around their home (not necessarily taking it on the road).
I agree that if you're going to go on the road, a smaller laptop make sense - lighter is better, but screen size matters to those who are constantly on computers on a daily basis.
Even if your just trotting around the house, a 17" can be kind of big. I too have 2 23" monitors like you, one of them turned on edge, but if I want to sit at a desk with one of my laptops I plug it into a 19" monitor I have for that purpose.
I see nothing wrong with having a 17" notebook, especially if your eyes aren't the best, as long as you are aware of the extra weight and larger package. For me CPU speed/HDD size is more important than screen size.
I just tend to assume people who buy a laptop do so for the portability.
358 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:15:58am |
Just how freaking insane is it going to get? Freep is running a thread on the Obama collusion in the Nestle scheme to export all the Great Lakes good water to China. Big Water!!!
(There is exactly one lawn sign in my Lower Alabama neighborhood--my Obama sign. The TPGOP isn't even bothering.)
359 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:16:50am |
re: #348 darthstar
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Or standing over some dead Taliban while holding a 'We Built That' banner.
360 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:17:19am |
re: #350 b_sharp
Science people, science.
Homeopathy is a snake-oil scam.
...
It's Big Pharma keeping homeopathy down man!
Here's the other one spewing her BS: Lauri Grossman, New York, New York Chair, Dept. of Humanism, American Medical College of Homeopathy
Department of Humanism? WTF.
Makes me feel ill.
361 | The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:17:32am |
re: #358 Decatur Deb
Just how freaking insane is it going to get? Freep is running a thread on the Obama collusion in the Nestle scheme to export all the Great Lakes good water to China. Big Water!!!
(There is exactly one lawn sign in my Lower Alabama neighborhood--my Obama sign. The TPGOP isn't even bothering.)
Independent of the Obama component, is there anything to the Nestle water shipping aspect, or is that bunk as well?
362 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:18:36am |
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
To be fair, the summer of 87 was really awesome. I mean I missed the first month or so but...........
363 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:18:57am |
re: #361 The Ghost of a Flea
Independent of the Obama component, is there anything to the Nestle water shipping aspect, or is that bunk as well?
Haven't even bothered to check on Nestle. The physics and economics of shipping the Great Lakes does it for me.
364 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:19:05am |
re: #356 dragonfire1981
Mr. King, from a proud hard working immigrant: Screw you and the high horse you rode in on.
You're not an immigrant. You're a Canuck aren't you?
365 | dragonfire1981 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:20:09am |
re: #358 Decatur Deb
Just how freaking insane is it going to get? Freep is running a thread on the Obama collusion in the Nestle scheme to export all the Great Lakes good water to China. Big Water!!!
(There is exactly one lawn sign in my Lower Alabama neighborhood--my Obama sign. The TPGOP isn't even bothering.)
They don't use signs. Look for yellow flags and bumper stickers.
366 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:20:36am |
re: #358 Decatur Deb
Just how freaking insane is it going to get? Freep is running a thread on the Obama collusion in the Nestle scheme to export all the Great Lakes good water to China. Big Water!!!
(There is exactly one lawn sign in my Lower Alabama neighborhood--my Obama sign. The TPGOP isn't even bothering.)
As in Lake Erie Great Lakes?
Because you couldn't pay me enough money to eat a fish out of that lake, much less drink the water.
Or swim in it.
367 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:20:38am |
re: #360 Gus
...
Here's the other one spewing her BS: Lauri Grossman, New York, New York Chair, Dept. of Humanism, American Medical College of Homeopathy
Department of Humanism? WTF.
Makes me feel ill.
They've appropriated the term 'humanism' to give themselves credibility.
368 | dragonfire1981 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:20:55am |
re: #364 b_sharp
You're not an immigrant. You're a Canuck aren't you?
I was born in Canada. I am currently a legal resident of the U.S.
If all goes well, I should be a naturalized citizen by the end of next year.
369 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:21:33am |
re: #365 dragonfire1981
They don't use signs. Look for yellow flags and bumper stickers.
We have Gadsden flag license plates and confederate flag license surrounds.
370 | dragonfire1981 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:22:29am |
re: #366 OhNoZombies!
As in Lake Erie Great Lakes?
Because you couldn't pay me enough money to eat a fish out of that lake, much less drink the water.
Or swim in it.
Yes, those Great Lakes. Implied nastiness of the water aside, the lakes are one of the richest sources of fresh (as in non salt) water on the planet. They'll likely become highly valuable when/if water starts to become scarce.
Oh and full disclosure: I used to live in the Great Lakes region so I know how the water is too.
371 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:22:37am |
re: #366 OhNoZombies!
As in Lake Erie Great Lakes?
Because you couldn't pay me enough money to eat a fish out of that lake, much less drink the water.
Or swim in it.
Cleveland aside, it's a really big lake.
372 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:22:42am |
re: #368 dragonfire1981
I was born in Canada. I am currently a legal resident of the U.S.
If all goes well, I should be a naturalized citizen by the end of next year.
If you are from Canada, are you viewed as a immigrant, with all it's stigma, by your neighbours? Just curious.
373 | lawhawk Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:23:08am |
re: #360 Gus
Just wait until they start claiming that their treatments work due to quantum physics - that particles of X are sticking around due to quantum effects that allow stuff like this. Just you wait.
375 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:23:46am |
re: #368 dragonfire1981
I was born in Canada. I am currently a legal resident of the U.S.
If all goes well, I should be a naturalized citizen by the end of next year.
Trying to get away from that soshulized medicine, eh? Too late.
376 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:24:23am |
re: #367 b_sharp
They've appropriated the term 'humanism' to give themselves credibility.
Co-opting humanism perhaps? Then again in many circles humanism is a religion. People BELIEVE that homeopathy works. That's sort of like BELIEVING that antibiotics work. It's not about belief.
377 | Interesting Times Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:24:38am |
I didn't leave the Republican Party. The Republican Party broke my union, fired me and called me a slut.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) September 7, 2012
378 | dragonfire1981 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:25:03am |
re: #372 b_sharp
If you are from Canada, are you viewed as a immigrant, with all it's stigma, by your neighbours? Just curious.
No, BUT I happen to have white skin and speak with (almost no) accent, so I'm sure that helps. If I had come from an Indian or Asian background, I'm sure things would be different.
It's actually funny because a lot of times when we think of "immigrants" we think of uneducated people with thick accents running a convenience store or driving a taxi.
In truth, Immigrants come in all shapes sizes and colors and many of them are well educated and work in professional fields. We don't all have accents either. :P
379 | dragonfire1981 Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:25:26am |
re: #375 Decatur Deb
Trying to get away from that soshulized medicine, eh? Too late.
I miss it. I really miss it.
380 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:25:31am |
re: #373 lawhawk
Just wait until they start claiming that their treatments work due to quantum physics - that particles of X are sticking around due to quantum effects that allow stuff like this. Just you wait.
Actually. That's what some of them are doing. Weirdos.
381 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:26:42am |
re: #378 dragonfire1981
No, BUT I happen to have white skin and speak with (almost no) accent, so I'm sure that helps. If I had come from an Indian or Asian background, I'm sure things would be different.
It's actually funny because a lot of times when we think of "immigrants" we think of uneducated people with thick accents running a convenience store or driving a taxi.
In truth, Immigrants come in all shapes sizes and colors and many of them are well educated and work in professional fields. We don't all have accents either. :P
Why don't y'all let us decide whether you have accents.
383 | Kragar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:27:10am |
Barton: 'If You Want abortion, You Want Bigger Government'
I love the title on this. It says "Ireland Dáil Defeats Socialist’s Bill to Legalize Abortion." Now the two words that stick out to me there are "socialists" and "abortion." It's interesting how those two things go together. Pro-abortion people tend to be pro-socialism people; that is, they want bigger government. If you want abortion, you want bigger government.
And I don't think I had really thought of socialism and abortion as going side-by-side until I saw the headline to this article that they defeated a socialist's bill to legalize abortion. And, you know, that kind of helps me identify things here in America; I can kind of start looking at people who are pro-abortion and say, you know, they really are pro-socialism, they're pro bigger government, less individual rights and responsibilities.
But I think it's good news for us to identify pro-abortion people with socialism, quite frankly.
Wanting people who you've never met before to mind their own business and stop interfering with a personal decision is wanting big government?
384 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:27:35am |
re: #373 lawhawk
Just wait until they start claiming that their treatments work due to quantum physics - that particles of X are sticking around due to quantum effects that allow stuff like this. Just you wait.
It doesn't dawn on them that by requiring the formulation to be succussed for the potentiation to be effective they are actually using an equivalent to a magic incantation.
385 | Lidane Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:27:44am |
re: #329 Gus
Speaking of homeopathy...
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Unless they've discovered totally new Laws of Physics, homeopathy CANNOT work because dose has not a single molecule of active ingredient.— Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins) September 7, 2012
387 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:28:36am |
re: #378 dragonfire1981
No, BUT I happen to have white skin and speak with (almost no) accent, so I'm sure that helps. If I had come from an Indian or Asian background, I'm sure things would be different.
Canadians totally have accents, and also their heads split when they speak.
388 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:29:17am |
John Pilger. Robert Fisk. Johann Hari. Julian Assange. Naomi Wolf.George Galloway. Glenn Greenwald. All #FlapDoodle— David Allen Green (@DavidAllenGreen) September 7, 2012
389 | darthstar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:29:43am |
390 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:30:43am |
re: #378 dragonfire1981
No, BUT I happen to have white skin and speak with (almost no) accent, so I'm sure that helps. If I had come from an Indian or Asian background, I'm sure things would be different.
It's actually funny because a lot of times when we think of "immigrants" we think of uneducated people with thick accents running a convenience store or driving a taxi.
In truth, Immigrants come in all shapes sizes and colors and many of them are well educated and work in professional fields. We don't all have accents either. :P
That was kind of where I was going. The average colour free, pasty skinned Canadian would likely be viewed more like a strange relative than an outsider. It's the way many here in the prairie provinces view Americans.
391 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:31:39am |
392 | The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:31:39am |
File under WTF, rape-culture edition:
After being convicted by a jury earlier this summer of sexual abuse for groping a woman in a bar, ex-DPS Officer Robb Gary Evans walked out of a Coconino County Superior Courtroom on Wednesday morning having been sentenced to two years of probation.
Evans received credit for the four days of jail time he served in Coconino County jail.
Prosecutors contended that he drank eight beers and then drove himself to the Green Room, where he flashed his badge in an attempt to get into a concert for free. While inside, he walked up behind the victim, who was a friend of a friend, put his hand up her skirt and then ran his fingers across her genitals.
When bouncers threw him out, Evans told them he was a cop and they would be arrested.
The 43-year-old former Arizona Department of Public Safety officer was facing between six months and 2 1/2 years in prison, but the crime was eligible for probation. He will not be required to register as a sex offender, according to the sentence.
The judge said she considered the defendant's lack of a criminal record and strong community support in her sentencing.
She also advised the victim to be more vigilant.
Bad things can happen in bars, [Judge] Hatch told the victim, adding that other people might be more intoxicated than she was.
"If you wouldn't have been there that night, none of this would have happened to you," Hatch said.
Hatch told the victim and the defendant that no one would be happy with the sentence she gave, but that finding an appropriate sentence was her duty.
"I hope you look at what you've been through and try to take something positive out of it," Hatch said to the victim in court. "You learned a lesson about friendship and you learned a lesson about vulnerability."
Hatch said that the victim was not to blame in the case, but that all women must be vigilant against becoming victims.
"When you blame others, you give up your power to change," Hatch said that her mother used to say.
393 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:32:30am |
re: #380 Gus
Actually. That's what some of them are doing. Weirdos.
The quantum world explains everything because it's non-intuitive to science illiterates but sounds all sciency.
395 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:34:11am |
396 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:34:21am |
re: #387 Learned Mother of Zion
Canadians totally have accents, and also their heads split when they speak.
397 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:36:28am |
re: #393 b_sharp
The quantum world explains everything because it's non-intuitive to science illiterates but sounds all sciency.
Flopdoodle. Or, horsepucky!
398 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:37:09am |
re: #392 The Ghost of a Flea
Sigh, you have a right not to expect to be groped by a drunk at the bar. The judge is way out of bounds there.
399 | The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:37:42am |
re: #383 Kragar
Barton: 'If You Want abortion, You Want Bigger Government'
Wanting people who you've never met before to mind their own business and stop interfering with a personal decision is wanting big government?
You have to understand in Barton's ideal America, it will be your friends and neighbors rather than government agents that check you tampons, open your mail, and listen in on phone conversations between you and your physician.
401 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:38:12am |
402 | danarchy Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:39:05am |
re: #140 blueraven
Well there are here and they are exploited.
Property taxes at least here in Massachusetts are issued by municipalities and not the state. There are certain exemptions that can be offered for seniors, veterans, hardship etc., but generally only if it is your primary residence. There are of course federal deductions to help compensate, but to my knowledge it would be very difficult for a landlord to get a property tax exemption. The homestead exemption in particular is only for primary residences and only exempts a small portion of a homes value.
403 | Kragar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:39:18am |
404 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:39:56am |
re: #403 Kragar
With their wee beady eyes and flapping heads so full of lie.
And their hockey sticks!
405 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:40:10am |
re: #400 Gus
That guy has one heck of a cowlick.
406 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:40:15am |
re: #387 Learned Mother of Zion
Canadians totally have accents, and also their heads split when they speak.
With all their hockey hullabulloo...
408 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:41:26am |
re: #406 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
With all their hockey hullabulloo...
And that bitch Anne Murray too...
409 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:41:44am |
What convention are we blogging tonight? I need my convention.
412 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:44:05am |
re: #409 Decatur Deb
What convention are we blogging tonight? I need my convention.
I don't think my liver could survive another convention.
413 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:44:19am |
re: #398 HappyWarrior
Sigh, you have a right not to expect to be groped by a drunk at the bar. The judge is way out of bounds there.
Imagine how far under the jail you'd be buried if you got hammered and groped the judge in a bar.
416 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:45:20am |
re: #412 Gus
I don't think my liver could survive another convention.
Held our Obama watch party in a bar.
417 | engineer cat Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:45:31am |
GOP vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan on jobs report: 'This is not even close to what a recovery looks like'
mr ryan wins the "duh!" award for the day
418 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:45:37am |
You ever notice how on the internet when people say "truth to power" they're usually talking bullshit?
420 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:46:43am |
Trickle Down Economics - Still the greatest hoax ever perpetuated on the middle class #tcot— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) September 7, 2012
421 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:46:49am |
re: #417 engineer cat
GOP vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan on jobs report: 'This is not even close to what a recovery looks like'
mr ryan wins the "duh!" award for the day
Maybe if your party wasn't blocking the jobs bill, Paul it would look better but derp.
422 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:47:12am |
re: #415 Gus
Lies! It's SCIENCE! They speak truth to power man!
Then why do the wife and I get so many laughs out of watching it?
423 | Interesting Times Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:47:17am |
re: #419 Gus
How was it during Granholm's speech?
Speaking of which, is there an animated gif yet of her fist pumps?
GOP groups pull Romney ads in Michigan - ow.ly/dx5pP— The Michigan Daily (@michigandaily) September 7, 2012
424 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:47:52am |
re: #419 Gus
How was it during Granholm's speech?
It was really good--and most of us were still sober.
(Didn't know her at all, but I hope she's doing something that will keep her in the game.)
425 | engineer cat Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:47:58am |
fucked news this morning features a LARGE headline with a benign and fatherly looking picture of mitt, saying it's about policies, not promises
begs the question of why mitt and paul only made promises and avoided talking about policies
426 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:48:20am |
re: #423 Interesting Times
Speaking of which, is there an animated gif yet of her fist pumps?
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When did McCain pull out of Michigan? Really, I didn't think Mitt would win Michigan but I had thought that they had the resources to put some pressure on Obama there and in Pennsylvania which they're also pulling ads from.
427 | erik_t Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:48:27am |
re: #423 Interesting Times
Speaking of which, is there an animated gif yet of her fist pumps?
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In business, you pull out of a market in which you're not profitable. But in business, you aren't required to be profitable in a certain fraction of the total market.
In other words: elections, how the fuck do they work?
428 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:48:29am |
re: #418 Gus
You ever notice how on the internet when people say "truth to power" they're usually talking bullshit?
I always envision some guy wearing pants with a weirdly high waistline sanctimoniously reciting a litany of factually incorrect aphorisms into a light socket.
429 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:49:07am |
re: #411 b_sharp
I love that comedy show.
ALIENS! ARE! REAL!
The truth is out there...
And people rode on dinosaurs.
430 | engineer cat Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:49:21am |
re: #421 HappyWarrior
Maybe if your party wasn't blocking the jobs bill, Paul it would look better but derp.
oh you know, when the gummint hires somebody and pays them money to do something useful, somehow according to republicans this is not the same as a job
431 | Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:49:29am |
re: #418 Gus
You ever notice how on the internet when people say "truth to power" they're usually talking bullshit?
"Open your mind" in the mantra of conspiracy theorists.
432 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:49:33am |
re: #424 Decatur Deb
It was really good--and most of us were still sober.
(Didn't know her at all, but I hope she's doing something that will keep her in the game.)
She's Canadian. Found out after thinking that she has POTUS potential. Too bad aye?
433 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:49:36am |
re: #418 Gus
You ever notice how on the internet when people say "truth to power" they're usually talking bullshit?
I think of what you've christened, emoprogs when I hear that phrase truthfully.
434 | Varek Raith Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:49:59am |
re: #429 OhNoZombies!
ALIENS! ARE! REAL!
The truth is out there...And people rode on dinosaurs.
Aliens are very likely real.
The history channel crap not so much.
Good afternoon LGF.
436 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:50:40am |
What creates more US jobs? Your average worker that spends 95%+ of their paycheck on goods and services or a guy that hides money in Caymans— KQµårk(TM) (@KQuark) September 7, 2012
437 | Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:50:48am |
If I'm understanding this right, these military groups are bothered that these days were opened up to everyone? They want only members of the military to be able to vote on these days?
438 | The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:52:10am |
re: #425 engineer cat
fucked news this morning features a LARGE headline with a benign and fatherly looking picture of mitt, saying it's about policies, not promises
begs the question of why mitt and paul only made promises and avoided talking about policies
shut up they're bold and serious that's why.
439 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:52:16am |
re: #437 Mocking Jay
If I'm understanding this right, these military groups are bothered that these days were opened up to everyone? They want only members of the military to be able to vote on these days?
I don't know. Way I look it is this if military members should get early voting then everyone should.
440 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:52:17am |
re: #429 OhNoZombies!
ALIENS! ARE! REAL!
The truth is out there...And people rode on dinosaurs.
Aliens are real. The fact that they haven't visited us proves their intelligence.
441 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:52:24am |
A note to all those 'Obama gave us no recovery' assholes. The new unemployment numbers just came down for the US at 8.1 and Canada at 7.3. Canada never hit the level of unemployment that the US did, yet we're still relatively high, despite $100.00/barrel oil.
Maybe an individual country's government can't produce a dramatic drop in unemployment because of how closely tied that country is to the global economy?
442 | Varek Raith Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:52:27am |
re: #437 Mocking Jay
If I'm understanding this right, these military groups are bothered that these days were opened up to everyone? They want only members of the military to be able to vote on these days?
SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP! DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE?
443 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:53:07am |
re: #436 Learned Mother of Zion
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Well, obviously the guy with money in the Caymans, because if he didn't have all that money to spend, he wouldn't be hoarding it.
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444 | erik_t Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:53:57am |
re: #441 b_sharp
A note to all those 'Obama gave us no recovery' assholes. The new unemployment numbers just came down for the US at 8.1 and Canada at 7.3. Canada never hit the level of unemployment that the US did, yet we're still relatively high, despite $100.00/barrel oil.
Maybe an individual country's government can't produce a dramatic drop in unemployment because of how closely tied that country is to the global economy?
Ah, aha, but you know what's not part of the global economy?
GOLD!!!1
445 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:54:21am |
446 | simoom Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:54:28am |
re: #323 Gus
Grassley is such a bozo. They all use teleprompters.
[Link: desmond.yfrog.com...]
Actually, his next tweet is idiotic too:
If I were Romney I wld predict how the economy will take off the very nxt day aftr his election bc he will bring "certainty" to market
— ChuckGrassley (@ChuckGrassley) September 7, 2012
You don't even need to wait for his trickled down economics to kick in and automagically fix everything. Apparently he's lain out his policy proposals with such clarity that his very victory will instantly instill "certainty" and heal the global economy. ///
447 | erik_t Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:55:23am |
re: #446 simoom
So many synonyms for 'white' that I've learned this cycle.
448 | The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:55:27am |
re: #446 simoom
[Link: desmond.yfrog.com...]
Actually, his next tweet is idiotic too:
You don't even need to wait for his trickled down economics to kick in and automagically fix everything. Apparently he's lain out his policy proposals with such clarity that his very victory will instantly instill "certainty" and heal the global economy. ///
I would like to postulate the existence of the Magical Certainty Fairy.
Debate is now open.
449 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:55:33am |
re: #425 engineer cat
fucked news this morning features a LARGE headline with a benign and fatherly looking picture of mitt, saying it's about policies, not promises
begs the question of why mitt and paul only made promises and avoided talking about policies
They only made promises about policies because they don't have any policies. They don't have any policies because they've been too busy promising about policies.
451 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:56:11am |
re: #428 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
I always envision some guy wearing pants with a weirdly high waistline sanctimoniously reciting a litany of factually incorrect aphorisms into a light socket.
Too weird. It has to be real.
452 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:56:30am |
re: #446 simoom
[Link: desmond.yfrog.com...]
Actually, his next tweet is idiotic too:
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You don't even need to wait for his trickled down economics to kick in and automagically fix everything. Apparently he's lain out his policy proposals with such clarity that his very victory will instantly instill "certainty" and heal the global economy. ///
Okay, I know this obviously isn't Grassley himself saying this but you would think that the office of the ranking member on the judiciary committee would be watching the tweets put out in their boss's name uhh carefully.
453 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:57:02am |
Until such time as a reputable institution provides us with credible information on the existence of alien life, alien life does not exist only to the point of there being a probability of its existence. That probability also includes the possibility of there not being any alien life out there. Otherwise, thinking about alien life is much like thinking about blue whales on far off planets.
455 | Kragar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:57:42am |
456 | Varek Raith Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:58:02am |
re: #453 Gus
Until such time as a reputable institution provides us with credible information on the existence of alien life, alien life does not exist only to the point of there being a probability of its existence. That probability also includes the possibility of there not being any alien life out there. Otherwise, thinking about alien life is much like thinking about blue whales on far off planets.
I see it purely as a math thing.
457 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:58:25am |
re: #450 Varek Raith
Oh geez the teleprompter crap.
Sigh.
Absolutely brain-dead. Anyone who could possibly give a shit about the teleprompter meme decided to vote against Obama in Nov 2008. Yet they persist...
458 | jaunte Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:58:27am |
re: #425 engineer cat
fucked news this morning features a LARGE headline with a benign and fatherly looking picture of mitt, saying it's about policies, not promises
begs the question of why mitt and paul only made promises and avoided talking about policies
He's been very clear about how fuzzy he'll be.
459 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:58:34am |
re: #455 Kragar
BREAKING: Ohio Secretary Of State Backs Down, Allows Local Officials To Set Early Voting Hours
Good, he was acting like a total jackass in this.
460 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:59:05am |
re: #456 Varek Raith
I see it purely as a math thing.
Pretty much. Which is why I brought up probability. That's all we have right now.
461 | Varek Raith Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:59:18am |
re: #455 Kragar
BREAKING: Ohio Secretary Of State Backs Down, Allows Local Officials To Set Early Voting Hours
Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the judge ordering his ass to court.
Nope!
462 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:59:53am |
There's a starman waiting in the sky and he'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'll blow our minds.
463 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:59:56am |
re: #453 Gus
Until such time as a reputable institution provides us with credible information on the existence of alien life, alien life does not exist only to the point of there being a probability of its existence. That probability also includes the possibility of there not being any alien life out there. Otherwise, thinking about alien life is much like thinking about blue whales on far off planets.
I've heard the suggestion tossed around that we are, in fact, the "precursor" species, the first intelligent life that has evolved in this galaxy.
464 | Kragar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:00:22pm |
re: #461 Varek Raith
Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the judge ordering his ass to court.
Nope!
465 | Varek Raith Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:00:24pm |
re: #463 Targetpractice
I've heard the suggestion tossed around that we are, in fact, the "precursor" species, the first intelligent life that has evolved in this galaxy.
That would be lame and boring.
;)
466 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:00:54pm |
re: #463 Targetpractice
I've heard the suggestion tossed around that we are, in fact, the "precursor" species, the first intelligent life that has evolved in this galaxy.
Oy. Yeah, from L. Ron Hubbard.
467 | Kragar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:01:07pm |
re: #463 Targetpractice
I've heard the suggestion tossed around that we are, in fact, the "precursor" species, the first intelligent life that has evolved in this galaxy.
The Galactic Institutes will get a laugh out of that.
469 | Varek Raith Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:01:32pm |
We leave our children of the universe reality tv.
Enjoy!
470 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:01:58pm |
re: #466 Gus
Oy. Yeah, from L. Ron Hubbard.
Never heard it from Hubbard, but somehow that wouldn't surprise me.
471 | Varek Raith Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:02:51pm |
472 | simoom Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:03:30pm |
Unusual local interview with Ann Romney where she's there to basically do "Yay women!" but then is asked repeatedly about specific women-related policies:
[Link: m.kwqc.com...]
...
KWQC TV6: "Here in Iowa, as you know, same-sex marriage is legal. Do you believe a lesbian mother should be allowed to marry her partner?"
Ann Romney: "You know, I'm not going to talk about the specific issues. I'm going to let my husband speak on issues. I'm here to really just talk about my husband and what kind of husband and father he is and, you know, those are hot-button issues that distract from what the real voting issue is going to be at this election. That, it's going to be about the economy and jobs."
And, frankly, the President said four years ago that if he doesn't turn this economy around he's going to be looking at a one-term presidency. And I frankly believe that Mitt is the person that is so going to be focused on jobs and job creation and making sure that women's economic prosperity is more certain and by the way their children's future is because as we all know we're facing this debt crisis. Sometime, somewhere, somehow someone's going to have to pay off these debts, and it's going to be our children. And we have to, it's getting to be a desperate situation. We will be looking at a Greece-like situation or a Spain situation if we don't address these issues very quickly."
KWQC TV6: "Do you believe that employer-provided health insurance should be required to cover birth control?"
Ann Romney: "Again, you're asking me questions that are not about what this election is going to be about. This election is going to be about the economy and jobs."
KWQC TV6: "Well, a Pew research poll shows those issues are very important to women, ranking them either "important" or "very important."
Ann Romney: "You know, but I personally believe, and this is what I'm hearing from women all across the country that they are going to look for the guy that's going to pull them out of the weeds and get them job security and a brighter future for their children. That's the message.
Listen, I've been across this country, I've been for a year-and-a-half on the campaign trail. I've spoken with thousands of women and they are telling me, they're telling me a couple of things, one they say they're praying for me which is really wonderful, and then they're saying, ‘please help, please help. We are so worried about our jobs.'
So really if you want to try to pull me off of the other messages it's not going to work because I know because I've been out there."
KWQC TV6: "Well, I don't want to pull you off any message. You just told a reporter who was questioning you in Cleveland that you want women to have a secure and stable future. I asked you about marriage and whether lesbian mothers should be allowed to marry. Isn't marriage a part of creating a stable future?"
Ann Romney: "You know, again, I'm going to talk to you about the economy and about job creation and about how my husband is the right person for the right time. This is going to be an election that is very important for women, and we are going to make sure that their economic prosperity is more certain under a President Romney."
473 | Kragar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:04:14pm |
re: #469 Varek Raith
We leave our children of the universe reality tv.
Enjoy!
"The heavens have given us, the people of Tau Ceti V, a stark vision of the horrors that wait beyond the endless gulfs of space and time. Behold the madness from beyond the stars. Behold... THE SNOOKI!"
474 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:05:08pm |
re: #467 Kragar
The Galactic Institutes will get a laugh out of that.
In the '60s the science editor of the NYT proposed that the universe was likely teeming with 'short-lived' intelligent species that would never make contact with another. Sullivan, IIRC.
475 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:05:27pm |
re: #472 simoom
Unusual local interview with Anne Romney where she's there to basically do "Yay women!" but then is asked repeatedly about specific women-related policies:
[Link: m.kwqc.com...]
I hate to sound crass but Ann Romney comes off really mean-spurted there. Totally disregards the women's health issues. She's going to be in for a surprise when women reject her husband's bullshit by a large margin in November.
476 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:06:13pm |
re: #453 Gus
Until such time as a reputable institution provides us with credible information on the existence of alien life, alien life does not exist only to the point of there being a probability of its existence. That probability also includes the possibility of there not being any alien life out there. Otherwise, thinking about alien life is much like thinking about blue whales on far off planets.
Given the ease with which amino acids, sugars and even alcohol can be produced in space (we have evidence of vast clouds of them) the likelihood of life on other planets is pretty high. What isn't so high is the likelihood that life would become technological. Intelligence isn't a guaranteed outcome of evolution, nor is the development of complex language. It may be the confluence of intelligence, language and ability to finely manipulate objects (our hands) is terribly unusual.
477 | Varek Raith Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:07:25pm |
re: #476 b_sharp
Given the ease with which amino acids, sugars and even alcohol can be produced in space (we have evidence of vast clouds of them) the likelihood of life on other planets is pretty high. What isn't so high is the likelihood that life would become technological. Intelligence isn't a guaranteed outcome of evolution, nor is the development of complex language. It may be the confluence of intelligence, language and ability to finely manipulate objects (our hands) is terribly unusual.
Given the ridiculous vastness of space, terribly unusual is a lot.
478 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:07:42pm |
re: #462 HappyWarrior
There's a starman waiting in the sky and he'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'll blow our minds.
Whoa. Pass the spliff man.
479 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:08:17pm |
re: #455 Kragar
BREAKING: Ohio Secretary Of State Backs Down, Allows Local Officials To Set Early Voting Hours
I hope the judge still hauls his ass into court.
481 | simoom Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:08:37pm |
From the noon Romney rally:
People unsure whether to cheer when Iowa Gov. says "pretty soon we'll be worse than Europe."
— McKay Coppins (@mckaycoppins) September 7, 2012
482 | Varek Raith Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:08:55pm |
483 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:09:14pm |
re: #463 Targetpractice
OTOH, we might be the ones every actually intelligent alien species wants nothing to do with.
484 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:09:21pm |
re: #481 simoom
From the noon Romney rally:
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And let me guess Mitt is repeatedly the bullshit lie that Obama wants us to be more like Europe which is hilarious given the growth of austerity policies in Europe that Mitt supports.
485 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:09:58pm |
re: #476 b_sharp
Given the ease with which amino acids, sugars and even alcohol can be produced in space (we have evidence of vast clouds of them) the likelihood of life on other planets is pretty high. What isn't so high is the likelihood that life would become technological. Intelligence isn't a guaranteed outcome of evolution, nor is the development of complex language. It may be the confluence of intelligence, language and ability to finely manipulate objects (our hands) is terribly unusual.
Which means it's just a probability and until such a discovery is made that's all it will remain.
486 | Varek Raith Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:10:15pm |
re: #483 Daniel Ballard
OTOH, we might be the ones every actually intelligent alien species wants nothing to do with.
In ur Oort cloud chucking rocks at ur planet!
487 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:10:25pm |
re: #475 HappyWarrior
I hate to sound crass but Ann Romney comes off really mean-spurted there. Totally disregards the women's health issues. She's going to be in for a surprise when women reject her husband's bullshit by a large margin in November.
^Fruedian slip?
488 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:10:50pm |
re: #483 Daniel Ballard
OTOH, we might be the ones every actually intelligent alien species wants nothing to do with.
We're the galactic equivalent of a rural backwater, a barely civilized species that hasn't made it past its own moon. I'm pretty sure any aliens who might be watching us are curious as to how we've managed to avoid nuking ourselves out of existence so far.
489 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:11:03pm |
490 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:11:34pm |
491 | Kragar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:12:12pm |
re: #477 Varek Raith
Given the ridiculous vastness of space, terribly unusual is a lot.
“Scientists have calculated that the chances of something so patently absurd actually existing are millions to one. But magicians have calculated that million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten."
492 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:12:15pm |
re: #320 ShaunP
This again?
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Uhm...really? Romney doesn't use a teleprompter?
[Link: motherjones.tumblr.com...]
And how does Grassley manage TelePrompTer but can not w/o or Obama? A senator with a 4th grade reading level. Even Ann Romney spoke above him.
Idiot.
493 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:12:39pm |
re: #483 Daniel Ballard
OTOH, we might be the ones every actually intelligent alien species wants nothing to do with.
We're likely a bacterial culture on some alien's petri dish.
494 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:13:02pm |
re: #492 Joanne (JustJay)
Uhm...really? Romney doesn't use a teleprompter?
[Link: motherjones.tumblr.com...]
And how does Grassley manage TelePrompTer but can not w/o or Obama? A senator with a 4th grade reading level. Even Ann Romney spoke above him.
Idiot.
Man what an idiot Romney is for using a teleprompter.//
495 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:13:30pm |
re: #488 Targetpractice
We're the galactic equivalent of a rural backwater, a barely civilized species that hasn't made it past its own moon. I'm pretty sure any aliens who might be watching us are curious as to how we've managed to avoid nuking ourselves out of existence so far.
One thing about the Drake equation, is there a factor for timing? Say over the course of a few billion years what would the odds be of two technical species being near enough to each other to overhear radio at the same time, or epoch?
496 | Sionainn Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:14:10pm |
re: #472 simoom
Unusual local interview with Ann Romney where she's there to basically do "Yay women!" but then is asked repeatedly about specific women-related policies:
[Link: m.kwqc.com...]
Sorry, Ann, but a "brighter future for my children" first and foremost involves them having autonomy over their own bodies.
497 | Lidane Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:14:20pm |
re: #455 Kragar
BREAKING: Ohio Secretary Of State Backs Down, Allows Local Officials To Set Early Voting Hours
UPDATE: Ohio Secretary of State Husted apologizes to federal court for obstructing early voting thkpr.gs/P8N46D— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) September 7, 2012
498 | Varek Raith Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:14:24pm |
re: #495 Daniel Ballard
One thing about the Drake equation, is there a factor for timing? Say over the course of a few billion years what would the odds be of two technical species being near enough to each other to overhear radio at the same time, or epoch?
Not sure, but near enough is highly unlikely.
Unless we cheat relativity somehow.
500 | Kragar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:15:07pm |
Romney On Omitting U.S. Troops From RNC Speech: ‘You Talk About Things You Think Are Important’
BAIER: To hear several speakers in Charlotte … they were essentially saying that you don’t care about the U.S. military because you didn’t mention U.S. troops and the war in Afghanistan in your nomination acceptance speech. … Do you regret opening up this line of attack, now a recurring attack, by leaving out that issue in the speech.
ROMNEY: I only regret you’re repeating it day in and day out. When you give a speech you don’t go through a laundry list, you talk about the things that you think are important and I described in my speech, my commitment to a strong military unlike the president’s decision to cut our military. And I didn’t use the word troops, I used the word military. I think they refer to the same thing.
You thought wrong.
Please, keep talking. It makes you look worse.
501 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:15:18pm |
re: #495 Daniel Ballard
One thing about the Drake equation, is there a factor for timing? Say over the course of a few billion years what would the odds be of two technical species being near enough to each other to overhear radio at the same time, or epoch?
Think the theory that intelligent species have a tendency to wipe themselves out may very likely be right.
502 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:15:25pm |
re: #292 Kragar
GOP Congressman Tells Voters That Comparing Immigrants To Dogs Was Really A ‘Compliment’
Oh Steven, I liken you to maggots. And I think that is a knock on maggots.
503 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:16:11pm |
re: #368 dragonfire1981
I was born in Canada. I am currently a legal resident of the U.S.
If all goes well, I should be a naturalized citizen by the end of next year.
And I am going the other way. I should be a permanent Canadian resident within a month or so.
504 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:16:14pm |
re: #498 Varek Raith
Not sure, but near enough is highly unlikely.
Unless we cheat relativity somehow.
Just wait til 2063, we'll have warp drive by then.
//
505 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:16:14pm |
re: #467 Kragar
The Galactic Institutes will get a laugh out of that.
Image: sGOZH.png
"During my Cycle, your 'Galactic Institutes' were barely minnows in the ocean."
506 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:16:17pm |
re: #485 Gus
Which means it's just a probability and until such a discovery is made that's all it will remain.
Yes. That's true, but it takes all the fun out of speculation.
507 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:16:18pm |
508 | Kragar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:16:59pm |
A quick poll of about 10 Veterans has produced a 100% agreement that talking about the military does not equal talking about the troops.
509 | Varek Raith Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:17:01pm |
re: #504 Targetpractice
Just wait til 2063, we'll have warp drive by then.
//
For all of 14 years.
October 23, 2077.
510 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:17:41pm |
re: #498 Varek Raith
The reason I think the government has no evidence of anyone else is the NASA budget, even with the black AF programs totaled in. If the gov really thought there was anyone coming to visit ever, they would have a way bigger space budget.
A Penney For NASA! (One whole percent of the budget)
511 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:18:03pm |
re: #509 Varek Raith
For all of 14 years.
October 23, 2077.
Well, by then we'll have colonies on other planets and then Earth can blast itself back to the Stone Age if it chooses.
512 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:18:09pm |
re: #506 b_sharp
Yes. That's true, but it takes all the fun out of speculation.
I know. I'm sensitive to that. ;)
513 | Kragar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:18:24pm |
re: #504 Targetpractice
Just wait til 2063, we'll have warp drive by then.
//
Got to make sure you've got a Gellar Field or the warp will destroy you.
514 | Lidane Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:18:36pm |
re: #292 Kragar
GOP Congressman Tells Voters That Comparing Immigrants To Dogs Was Really A ‘Compliment’
On a related note, Mitt Romney just endorsed Steve King:
Whoa Steve King endorsement! buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/r...— Ben Smith (@BuzzFeedBen) September 7, 2012
I actually don't understand why Romney did that in September. Help? buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/r...— Ben Smith (@BuzzFeedBen) September 7, 2012
515 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:19:34pm |
re: #501 Targetpractice
Add up dangerous weapons, solar flares, asteroids and volcanoes and you are very likely right. Of course if we add "not self destructive" as a criteria for intelligence it might be a more accurate term. :-)
516 | lawhawk Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:20:54pm |
re: #509 Varek Raith
Well, we should have already experienced the Eugenics Wars (or have we, but not known about it?)/
517 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:21:14pm |
re: #515 Daniel Ballard
Add up dangerous weapons, solar flares, asteroids and volcanoes and you are very likely right. Of course if we add "not self destructive" as a criteria for intelligence it might be a more accurate term. :-)
It would help our chances if we were more interested in getting off this mud ball than plundering it for everything we can.
518 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:21:27pm |
re: #514 Lidane
On a related note, Mitt Romney just endorsed Steve King:
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"I'm looking here at Steve King," Romney declared about halfway through his speech. "He needs to be your Congressman again. I want him as my partner in Washington!"
Nice going asshole, groveling to one of the biggest bigoted assholes in Congress.
519 | lawhawk Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:21:57pm |
re: #515 Daniel Ballard
Speaking of solar flares - this is one amazing video/photo of a recent CME:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
520 | efuseakay Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:22:19pm |
re: #173 erik_t
Rabble rabble. You damned whipper-snappers have no idea how much work was involved in keeping an older vehicle in working order, and how much slop and daily pain-in-the-ass was accepted in the older definition of 'working order'.
Remember flooding engines? Remember a quarter-circle of play in the steering? Remember brake fade? Remember cars that broke down? Remember tune-ups every few thousand miles? Remember points!?
GAAAAAAAAH.
Carburetors!
521 | The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:23:42pm |
re: #488 Targetpractice
We're the galactic equivalent of a rural backwater, a barely civilized species that hasn't made it past its own moon. I'm pretty sure any aliens who might be watching us are curious as to how we've managed to avoid nuking ourselves out of existence so far.
Stanislav Lem wrote a lot of funny sci-fi stories that flip human conceits on their head. One running theme was that most aliens species found humans absolutely horrifying, and felt that no proper lifeform would be built of mucus bubble filled with water. In one, an alien gives a lengthy explanation to a sort of universal parliament about how humans are tragic abominations borne out of improper hygiene--the biogenesis on Earth amounting to little more than a malicious prank by a low-order functionary on a starship. Biogenesis is apparently a popular malicious prank, because the parliament has an established system for coping, including the provision of cosmic alimony to the sad, never-to-be-taken-seriously human race.
522 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:23:46pm |
Can't wait to see Mitt appear with Joe Walsh and tell us how he's happy to support Walsh and how Walsh will be an important ally for him in Congress.
523 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:24:38pm |
re: #495 Daniel Ballard
One thing about the Drake equation, is there a factor for timing? Say over the course of a few billion years what would the odds be of two technical species being near enough to each other to overhear radio at the same time, or epoch?
I don't think so, although I haven't look at it in years, there are too many assumptions involved.
The universe has been around for ~13-14bil. We've been around for about 200years. Even if you limit intelligence to second gen or later stars that a lot of time and space for any kind of overlap.
Mind you an intelligent space faring culture would likely have sent out self-replicating probes to look for other planets so if there was any culture like that more than say 500,000 years ago in our galaxy we should have run across evidence of their machines.
525 | Kronocide Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:25:35pm |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.
Downding for you. The speech was actually pretty on target, little to fault him for.
Obama did tout Clean Coal and seems to easy on carbon fuels, but did dismiss the idiots who think it's a hoax. So a C+ on that subject.
526 | Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:25:50pm |
re: #523 b_sharp
I don't think so, although I haven't look at it in years, there are too many assumptions involved.
The universe has been around for ~13-14bil. We've been around for about 200years. Even if you limit intelligence to second gen or later stars that a lot of time and space for any kind of overlap.
Mind you an intelligent space faring culture would likely have sent out self-replicating probes to look for other planets so if there was any culture like that more than say 500,000 years ago we should have run across evidence of their machines.
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527 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:26:30pm |
re: #519 lawhawk
Speaking of solar flares - this is one amazing video/photo of a recent CME:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
[Link: sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov...]
528 | Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:26:49pm |
re: #525 Kronocide
Downding for you. The speech was actually pretty on target, little to fault him for.
Obama did tout Clean Coal and seems to easy on carbon fuels, but did dismiss the idiots who think it's a hoax. So a C+ on that subject.
Yeah, he's gonna be like this for the next two months.
529 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:26:56pm |
re: #521 The Ghost of a Flea
Stanislav Lem wrote a lot of funny sci-fi stories that flip human conceits on their head. One running theme was that most aliens species found humans absolutely horrifying, and felt that no proper lifeform would be built of mucus bubble filled with water. In one, an alien gives a lengthy explanation to a sort of universal parliament about how humans are tragic abominations borne out of improper hygiene--the biogenesis on Earth amounting to little more than a malicious prank by a low-order functionary on a starship. Biogenesis is apparently a popular malicious prank, because the parliament has an established system for coping, including the provision of cosmic alimony to the sad, never-to-be-taken-seriously human race.
Can't imagine what they'd think of Vogon poetry.
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530 | Varek Raith Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:27:12pm |
re: #527 Gus
[Link: sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov...]
FYI, that's no solar flare.
I suggest you duck.
:evilgrin:
531 | The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:27:19pm |
re: #518 HappyWarrior
"I'm looking here at Steve King," Romney declared about halfway through his speech. "He needs to be your Congressman again. I want him as my partner in Washington!"
Nice going asshole, groveling to one of the biggest bigoted assholes in Congress.
A bigoted asshole who agreed with and defended Todd Akin with no provisos. Please, someone tell us again about how Akin was out of step with the GOP.
532 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:27:30pm |
re: #501 Targetpractice
Think the theory that intelligent species have a tendency to wipe themselves out may very likely be right.
Evolution produces organisms with ESSes of violence, or cooperation or both (the most predominant) so that's probably true.
533 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:28:08pm |
re: #503 Joanne (JustJay)
And I am going the other way. I should be a permanent Canadian resident within a month or so.
Welcome stranger. Let me take you to our leader.
534 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:28:09pm |
re: #530 Varek Raith
FYI, that's no solar flare.
I suggest you duck.
:evilgrin:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
535 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:28:42pm |
SDO Gallery: [Link: sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov...]
On Flickr: [Link: www.flickr.com...]
536 | Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:28:47pm |
re: #531 The Ghost of a Flea
A bigoted asshole who agreed with and defended Todd Akin with no provisos. Please, someone tell us again about how Akin was out of step with the GOP.
Amazing how Mitt can call on Akin to withdraw, yet can endorse a guy who backed him.
537 | efuseakay Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:28:48pm |
re: #483 Daniel Ballard
OTOH, we might be the ones every actually intelligent alien species wants nothing to do with.
Since they haven't visited us yet, I think it's safe to say that's already true.
538 | Kronocide Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:29:51pm |
re: #7 Mocking Jay
Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'
Wow. Greatest ever.
Carmel is an interesting place. Reminds me of this song.
539 | Kragar Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:29:53pm |
Everyone knows that most of the Galaxy will recognize the hyper intelligent, immortal beetle swarms that rise after the fall of man as the only starfaring race to have existed in this corner of the universe.
540 | blueraven Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:30:00pm |
re: #514 Lidane
On a related note, Mitt Romney just endorsed Steve King:
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The most obvious answer to Ben's question, to me anyway, is the same reason they pulled ads in several so called battleground states. They are not gaining support among independents and moderates. Now they have to pander to the most extreme bigoted elements of their party.
541 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:30:10pm |
re: #517 Targetpractice
It would help our chances if we were more interested in getting off this mud ball than plundering it for everything we can.
Some of us are Psychlos.
543 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:31:18pm |
re: #366 OhNoZombies!
As in Lake Erie Great Lakes?
Because you couldn't pay me enough money to eat a fish out of that lake, much less drink the water.
Or swim in it.
I just had one last week. Walleye is good eating.
544 | The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:31:52pm |
re: #529 Targetpractice
Can't imagine what they'd think of Vogon poetry.
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Is you haven't read any Lem, I recommend him strongly. He does serious works (like Solaris), but his humorous pieces I actually prefer. Some are just awesomely weird, others are wickedly satirical. I don't think he's ever actually been cited on Futurama, but I'd swear he's an influence.
And as much as I love Douglas Adams (which I do)...Lem does the same weird/funny universe thing better.
546 | HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:32:26pm |
re: #536 Mocking Jay
Amazing how Mitt can call on Akin to withdraw, yet can endorse a guy who backed him.
Not just that buy a guy who says all sorts of bigoted garbage. Mitt and Ryan wanted Akin out because he weakened the chance at a senate majority for them not because they had a genuine problem with what was said. If they did, they would be equally upset at people like Smith, Bartlett, and Mitt's new friend Steve who likes comparing immigrants to dogs.
547 | Gus Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:32:54pm |
Wait. I see he's Tweeted something about 37 minutes ago... and suddenly a new thread.
548 | simoom Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:33:15pm |
re: #275 Gus
I'm not on board and think this is a dishonest mischaracterization of Mitt Romney.
Transcript:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
BAIER: A few more things, Governor. To hear several speakers in Charlotte - and I don't think this is jump (?) - they were essentially saying you don't care about the U.S. military because you didn't mention U.S. troops and the war in Afghanistan in your nomination acceptance speech. We understand you went to the American Legion the day before and you talked about the service and sacrifice of the military there. Do you regret opening up this line of attack, now a recurring attack, by leaving out that issue in the speech?
ROMNEY: I only regret you repeating it day in and day out. (LAUGHS)
BAIER: Well I mean, what just came from Charlotte -
ROMNEY: Because when you give a speech, you don't give a laundry list. You talk about the things that uh you think are important. And I described in my speech my commitment to a strong military unlike the President's decision to cut our military. And I didn't use the word troops, I used the world military. I think they refer to the same thing. And of course going to the American Legion the day before during the middle of our convention made a much bigger statement to our military and our troops than the President who did not go meet with the American Legion. I also spoke to the VFW the week before, so I think our American military understands that I am fully supportive of their effort. And unlike the President who we understand from Bob Woodward's book, at least from the excerpts, the President was and the White House part of the author of this sequestration idea that would slash our military. I oppose that idea, think it is absolutely wrong to cut our military as the President is doing.
I love how Baier works Romney's campaign talking point defenses into the premise of his question. /
BTW, here's where Romney referenced the "military" err, troops, in his convention speech. First in his laundry list of digs at the President:
His assault on coal and gas and oil will send energy and manufacturing jobs to China;
His trillion dollar cuts to our military will eliminate hundreds of thousands of jobs, and also put our security at greater risk;
His $716 billion cut to Medicare to finance Obamacare will both hurt today's seniors, and depress innovation – and jobs – in medicine.
And second in a laundry list paean to American values:
That America, that united America, can unleash an economy that will put Americans back to work, that will once again lead the world with innovation and productivity, and that will restore every father and mother's confidence that their children's future is brighter even than the past.
That America, that united America, will preserve a military that is so strong, no nation would ever dare to test it.
That America, that united America, will uphold the constellation of rights that were endowed by our Creator, and codified in our Constitution.
Both statements are about the scope of our military, and not about the sacrifice and service of the actual men and women deployed around the world.
549 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:33:49pm |
re: #504 Targetpractice
Just wait til 2063, we'll have warp drive by then.
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But will I be able to buy a personal jet-pack?
550 | Amory Blaine Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:33:55pm |
Fret not Mitt. You have the brave forces of conservative media broadcasting your message everyday!!!
552 | Lidane Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:35:54pm |
@mattklewis @buzzfeedben the Spanish language news channels will cover this. Head scratcher— Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) September 7, 2012
553 | Varek Raith Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:36:03pm |
554 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:42:22pm |
555 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:43:19pm |
re: #392 The Ghost of a Flea
Holy shit.
Good thing she wasn't raped, for that surely would have been her fault...sluts and dresses and all.
Wow. This is 1950 again.
556 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:46:52pm |
re: #425 engineer cat
fucked news this morning features a LARGE headline with a benign and fatherly looking picture of mitt, saying it's about policies, not promises
begs the question of why mitt and paul only made promises and avoided talking about policies
Because if they dared to put voice to their policies, they would be completely wiped out in November, with only the usual 29% who approve of anything and everything GOP. Not a single senior would vote for them. And that would decimate their base.
557 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:48:35pm |
re: #432 Gus
She's Canadian. Found out after thinking that she has POTUS potential. Too bad aye?
That would be "eh" unless you're Popeye. ArrArrArr :-)
558 | efuseakay Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:50:29pm |
re: #556 Joanne (JustJay)
Because if they dared to put voice to their policies, they would be completely wiped out in November, with only the usual 29% who approve of anything and everything GOP. Not a single senior would vote for them. And that would decimate their base.
I still think a lot of seniors would not vote for President Obama. Heck, I'll admit. My soon-to-be 90 yo grandmother still refers to "those colored people". Sigh.
559 | leftynyc Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:52:08pm |
re: #197 Killgore Trout
Ah, ok. Looks like more nonsense. Probably out of context or fake quote. Regardless, I don't think Mitt believes the troops are unimportant. He also doesn't believe America is company and Obama doesn't believe people didn't create their own business. The noise machine makes noise.
To bad for you, it's on tape and with a friendly news outlet.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
560 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:55:57pm |
re: #446 simoom
The only uncertainty is what the GOP might block tomorrow.
562 | b_sharp Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:00:04pm |
re: #557 Joanne (JustJay)
That would be "eh" unless you're Popeye. ArrArrArr :-)
Depends on where you land. Newfoundland would accept that pronunciation.
563 | Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:04:15pm |
re: #558 efuseakay
I still think a lot of seniors would not vote for President Obama. Heck, I'll admit. My soon-to-be 90 yo grandmother still refers to "those colored people". Sigh.
We just (10 min ago) ordered a floor for our kitchen, from a guy who doubles as a preacher when he isn't estimating tile. When we settled, he mentioned our ultra-rare Obama lawn sign. So for 15 minutes you had two white 60-somethings arguing a black 30-something into trading his anti-gay/anti abortion problem away so he could vote right. Don't know if he will, but he wanted the sale and he took our Obama swag.
564 | Joanne Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:04:51pm |
re: #558 efuseakay
I know. It's a sign of their times. I don't even try to reason with someone who was in that era and can't get out of the mindset. My parents (born in 1900 and 1907) had a similar mindset...one I challenged often. (I was adopted by my grandparents when I was born.) I understood the era, but I couldn't abide.
That said, if they understood what R&R wanted to do to SocSec and Medicare, they would probably not vote at all. I cannot see them voting against those interests. Older people DO care about their children and grandchildren and they want those benefits to be available to their offspring. Most are not as selfish as the GOP wants to think they are.