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1 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:47:17pm

You and my old man both, James.

2 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:47:30pm

Obama is a steamroller..

3 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:47:33pm

Empty Chair 2016!

4 jaunte  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:54:37pm
6 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:56:59pm

Brian Schweitzer Backstage at 2012 DNC

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7 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:58:19pm

re: #5 Gus

Image: 800px-JFK_with_Caroline_on_the_Honey_Fitz%2C_1963.jpg

That tears me up man. We lost him and two of his brothers way too soon.

8 jaunte  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:00:12pm
9 freetoken  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:00:50pm

One thing the Republican and Democratic conventions had in common: no theremins in the music ensembles.

10 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:02:10pm

re: #9 freetoken

One thing the Republican and Democratic conventions had in common: no theremins in the music ensembles.

Well, I think it was a given that the Dems would do better with music. Really not a day that goes by in a presidential campaign where you hear a musician upset about the Republicans using their tunes. Can't think of a time I've heard that with the Dems.

11 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:05:16pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Well, I think it was a given that the Dems would do better with music. Really not a day that goes by in a presidential campaign where you hear a musician upset about the Republicans using their tunes. Can't think of a time I've heard that with the Dems.

The Dems need to use "Cat Scratch Fever" or "Are you ready to Party" just to give wingnut musicians equal time to be upset./

12 freetoken  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:07:35pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

I'd rather they'd gone with Wagner than country.

13 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:08:02pm

I like Obama and that feels really weird to me. I was one of those guys who thought the country was done for when he was elected... Now I'm feeling like the Repugs are out to kill us all, and hey... Barry's all right, man.

I still think he's a little bit utopianist and I was kind of turned off by all the mooney-eyed True Believers in the audience during his speech (although there were some hot ladies in there :D ) but the Democrat's message has been "Hey... The other guys are liars, and we actually live on the same planet you do. We can prove it!" They've gone positive, in a way, and they've gone on the attack too, for once. It's about time.

14 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:08:14pm

re: #12 freetoken

I'd rather they'd gone with Wagner than country.

There's some good country out there.

15 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:08:39pm

This election is about choosing between the Bronze Age and the Industrial Age.

16 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:09:03pm

re: #11 aagcobb

The Dems need to use "Cat Scratch Fever" or "Are you ready to Party" just to give wingnut musicians equal time to be upset./

Go with some Hank Williams II. Wink.

17 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:09:14pm

Thank you so much for posting this.

18 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:09:28pm

re: #12 freetoken

I'd rather they'd gone with Wagner than country.

Nobody's going with Wagner. Dude was an epic level anti-semite.

19 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:10:08pm

re: #12 freetoken

I'd rather they'd gone with Wagner than country.

If I were the producer..as he ends and waves and slowly walk off..I'd play Hail to the Chief

20 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:10:08pm
21 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:11:07pm

Re Obama's speech - I'm not sure how to explain this, but there were so many good speeches that said what needed to be said, it was hard to see how he could possibly top them. The other maddening thing is, those surrogates could say things Obama would never be allowed to get away with without being concern-trolled to death. So, in a way, his hands were kind of tied. That sucked. Personally, I was glad there was finally a mention of climate change, but disappointed with the cringeworthy mention of "clean coal" and all the natural gas talk. I understand why it had to be there, however, and am well aware the alternative is the pro-pollution, denier pathology of the GOP.

True progress can only be made when the teabags and their enablers are completely drummed out of power and discredited forever. Fate, please let it happen before it's too late and the damage is done :/

22 freetoken  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:11:12pm

re: #15 Gus

But what about the future?

Seriously, with all the car-gasms the Democratic convention sounded like it was 1950 all over again and the hot thing in America was the invention of suburbs and power steering.

23 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:11:45pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

Nobody's going with Wagner. Dude was an epic level anti-semite.

I imagine the Republican party as being like the Air Cav in "Apocalypse Now", choppering in to Ride of the Valkyries, but then crashing and burning on the beach. Then Romney steps out of the flaming wreckage, dusts of his suit, and says "Well, here we are. Sucks to be you!"

/odd image, maybe doesn't make any sense, but then again... neither does the GOP

24 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:12:46pm

re: #22 freetoken

But what about the future?

Seriously, with all the car-gasms the Democratic convention sounded like it was 1950 all over again and the hot thing in America was the invention of suburbs and power steering.

What's the alternative? You'll get that but with the Department of Peace. No thanks. We have to wait.

25 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:13:26pm

I imagine the Republican party as being like the Omegas in Animal House. You know, the old crowd who wants to preserve the old ways at all costs. Dems to me are more like Delta. Newer crowd and frankly more fun and not too stuck on themselves. Biden can be our Bluto, after all Bluto became a senator.

26 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:14:23pm

re: #22 freetoken

But what about the future?

Seriously, with all the car-gasms the Democratic convention sounded like it was 1950 all over again and the hot thing in America was the invention of suburbs and power steering.

Remember, the Democrats are trying to win Michigan and Ohio. If Obama wins Ohio, which has lots of auto manufacturing jobs, he virtually wins the election.

27 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:14:24pm
28 freetoken  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:14:30pm

re: #23 Pawn of the Oppressor

That would make for an interesting political tv ad.

29 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:14:50pm

re: #22 freetoken

But what about the future?

Seriously, with all the car-gasms the Democratic convention sounded like it was 1950 all over again and the hot thing in America was the invention of suburbs and power steering.

All they needed was to gush over the atomic future and how nuclear power was gonna solve all of America's problems.

/

30 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:15:29pm

re: #20 Gus

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When he said "I'm the President", I was hoping it was a lead in to a direct assault on the whole usurper/shoeshine boy/sekrit Mooslim/N-word President!!! thing the right is trading on. He skirted around it but he didn't go after it as directly as Clinton.

There's a lot of Crazy that "needs to be answered", so to speak, and I hope they've got some ammunition ready for the debates.

31 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:15:44pm

re: #23 Pawn of the Oppressor

I imagine the Republican party as being like the Air Cav in "Apocalypse Now", choppering in to Ride of the Valkyries, but then crashing and burning on the beach. Then Romney steps out of the flaming wreckage, dusts of his suit, and says "Well, here we are. Sucks to be you!"

/odd image, maybe doesn't make any sense, but then again... neither does the GOP

Robet Duvall was so good in that movie. One of the greatest lines ever: "I love the small of napalm in the morning."

32 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:16:04pm

re: #23 Pawn of the Oppressor

I imagine the Republican party as being like the Air Cav in "Apocalypse Now", choppering in to Ride of the Valkyries, but then crashing and burning on the beach. Then Romney steps out of the flaming wreckage, dusts of his suit, and says "Well, here we are. Sucks to be you!"

/odd image, maybe doesn't make any sense, but then again... neither does the GOP

I love the smell of untraceable PAC donations in the morning.

Romney don't surf.

33 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:16:43pm

re: #12 freetoken

I'd rather they'd gone with Wagner than country.

What about...

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34 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:16:46pm

Economic growth requires conservation of limited resources. It's that simple.

The reason we have reduced oil imports is not only because we have increased domestic production, it is because people are trading in pickup trucks for compact cars, car-pooling, working from home, etc.

35 R.M. Ramallo  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:16:47pm

It might as well be the 50's.
I'm still waiting on my flying car...

36 freetoken  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:17:02pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

Nobody's going with Wagner. Dude was an epic level anti-semite.

Well look, much of Christian dominated society in Europe was anti-semite to some degree.

But Wagner's dead, and I bet that most who play his music today are much less anti-semitic than the average European the past 10 centuries.

37 jaunte  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:17:21pm

Random Twitter reviews:



38 andres  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:17:49pm

re: #15 Gus

This election is about choosing between the Stone Bronze Age and the Industrial Age.

FTFY.

The Republican Party positions (especially those of general welfare and social issues) are beyond understanding.

39 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:18:18pm

re: #33 Kragar

What about...

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I would prefer...

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40 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:18:50pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

All they needed was to gush over the atomic future and how nuclear power was gonna solve all of America's problems.

/

I'd have rather heard that than talk about "clean coal" and opening up lands for drilling, reducing dependency on foreign oil, etc. All that stuff sounds groovy but how about reducing dependency on hydrocarbons, period? How about turning the guts of scrapped nukes into fuel or something? That's visionary, right there, figuring a way to turn bombs into power plant material... It would be hard and costly, but I bet it could be done.

Fukushima screwed us on the nuclear front, unfortunately.

41 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:18:55pm

Watching this whole video. Oh the DNC peeps. glorious.

42 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:18:56pm

re: #30 Pawn of the Oppressor

When he said "I'm the President", I was hoping it was a lead in to a direct assault on the whole usurper/shoeshine boy/sekrit Mooslim/N-word President!!! thing the right is trading on. He skirted around it but he didn't go after it as directly as Clinton.

There's a lot of Crazy that "needs to be answered", so to speak, and I hope they've got some ammunition ready for the debates.

Responding to that crap is beneath his dignity. Let the crazy right foam at the mouth; it helps the President because he is so obviously not the Right's caricature of him.

43 sagehen  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:18:58pm

re: #12 freetoken

I'd rather they'd gone with Wagner than country.

That would cost them on the Jewish vote.

44 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:20:35pm

'Nite, all. The 2012 campaign starts tomorrow.

45 freetoken  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:21:04pm

re: #40 Pawn of the Oppressor

It strikes me that the Overton window has shifted so far right that people aren't appreciating how un-progressive (outside of women's health issues) this convention's presentations were.

46 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:21:17pm

re: #37 jaunte

Random Twitter reviews:

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Okay honest question for Rove. If Bin Laden was still alive and Romney became president and got him. Would Romney be thanking Obama? Really, for all the shrieks of how STOP BLAMING BUSH, I think the Democrats are pretty good to Bush. They don't whitewash him but damn it beats complaining about Jimmy Carter all the time.

47 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:21:21pm

re: #39 Mocking Jay

I would prefer...

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UP THE IRONS!!!

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48 sagehen  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:22:22pm

re: #31 aagcobb

Robet Duvall was so good in that movie. One of the greatest lines ever: "I love the small of napalm in the morning."

Youtube Video
49 R.M. Ramallo  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:23:16pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Okay honest question for Rove. If Bin Laden was still alive and Romney became president and got him. Would Romney be thanking Obama? Really, for all the shrieks of how STOP BLAMING BUSH, I think the Democrats are pretty good to Bush. They don't whitewash him but damn it beats complaining about Jimmy Carter all the time.

I don't recall the republicans thanking Bush for anything.

50 freetoken  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:23:22pm

Religious creep into politics is not just an American problem:

But with Hindu nationalism, says Nagaraj, “history and faith are being made to share the same bed” -- somewhat like with creationism in America. What might be an antidote to such divisive readings of the Ramayana? For Nagaraj, the answer lay in not just a scolding based on the ideals of the Indian Constitution (a point of view that sounds patronizing to many right-wing Hindus), but in turning instead to the many “folk” Ramayanas of India, which often poke fun at the central characters of the epic, and see their stories as aesthetically malleable structures to be continuously reinterpreted. For Nagaraj, “the recovery of difference is an effective way of overcoming those threats posed by the essentialist use of symbols.” The pluralism of the Indian Constitution might be seen as just the codification, in the modern language of rights, secularism and democracy, of the natural pluralism of Indian history.

51 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:23:35pm

re: #37 jaunte

You know I thought pretty much the same thing. Obama should have reached out to give GWB some cred. I think it would have been a politically good move. After all GWB is the one guy who prognosticated that Iraq would lead to widespread political upheaval in the middle east and usher in an era of democracy that otherwise would never have happened. GWB destroyed the status quo and that is why the conservative establishment shuns him now. I think Obama should have reached out to him for being dumb and bold enough to kick over the tables.

52 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:23:37pm

Foo Fighters - The Pretender

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53 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:23:50pm

re: #31 aagcobb

Robet Duvall was so good in that movie. One of the greatest lines ever: "I love the small of napalm in the morning."

Marlon Brando: trolling an entire movie production FTW

54 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:24:07pm

re: #40 Pawn of the Oppressor

I'd have rather heard that than talk about "clean coal" and opening up lands for drilling, reducing dependency on foreign oil, etc. All that stuff sounds groovy but how about reducing dependency on hydrocarbons, period? How about turning the guts of scrapped nukes into fuel or something? That's visionary, right there, figuring a way to turn bombs into power plant material... It would be hard and costly, but I bet it could be done.

Fukushima screwed us on the nuclear front, unfortunately.

re: #45 freetoken

It strikes me that the Overton window has shifted so far right that people aren't appreciating how un-progressive (outside of women's health issues) this convention's presentations were.

There is nothing Obama supports that Romney has not supported during his political career.

55 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:24:23pm

re: #49 OhNoZombies!

I don't recall the republicans thanking Bush for anything.

Bush?

Who the hell you talkin' about?

56 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:24:30pm

re: #52 Gus

My favorite video ever..

57 abolitionist  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:24:54pm

re: #15 Gus

This election is about choosing between the Bronze Age and the Industrial Age.

I think it's more an issue of tightening our embrace of the Industrial Age (TPGOP) vs loosening that embrace enough for a not-too-horrific transition to a post-industrial Technology Age.

58 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:25:03pm

re: #56 Mich-again

My favorite video ever..

With ya. Copy.

59 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:25:06pm

re: #49 OhNoZombies!

I don't recall the republicans thanking Bush for anything.

They practically whitewashed his existence. Shit Clinton was able to get applause talking about some of the stuff Bush has done.I thought that was way cool and I've never been a Bush fan.

60 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:25:19pm

The perfect song they should have ended the night with:

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61 jaunte  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:25:21pm

re: #51 Mich-again

I don't think anyone on either side even wants to mention Bush. He has a ton of baggage.

62 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:25:53pm

re: #42 aagcobb

Responding to that crap is beneath his dignity. Let the crazy right foam at the mouth; it helps the President because he is so obviously not the Right's caricature of him.

It's obvious to thinking people everywhere, but I'd get a kick out of a sly wink and a middle finger to the purveyors of the Shoeshine Boy myth.

Or maybe I just want to see him come right out and say it.

"And for those who seem to be more concerned about my parentage than my policies... I'm here... I'm black... and half of your friends and neighbors voted for me. And by the way, the South lost. GET OVER IT!"

63 freetoken  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:26:04pm

It looks like the South Korean government hasn't (yet) succumbed to the atavists:

Science wins over creationism in South Korea

South Korea’s government has urged textbook publishers to ignore calls to remove two examples of evolution from high-school textbooks.

[...]

64 JamesWI  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:26:12pm

re: #26 aagcobb

Remember, the Democrats are trying to win Michigan and Ohio. If Obama wins Ohio, which has lots of auto manufacturing jobs, he virtually wins the election.

Yeah, I was just playing around with some electoral maps. Unless something big happens to change some "likely-blue" states to red, it's looking to me like Romney needs to win both Ohio and Florida......just to have a chance at winning.

If he loses one of those (especially Florida), he basically has to win ALL of the other states currently labeled as "toss-ups" ......and just going by RealClearPolitics poll averages, most of those currently have small (think 1-2%) leads for Obama. And that includes Florida....which doesn't look good for Romney, considering these polls happened right after the convention held in that state.

65 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:26:39pm

re: #54 aagcobb

re: #45 freetoken

There is nothing Obama supports that Romney has not supported during his political career.

There's nothing Mother Teresa and Gilles de Rais supported that Mitt Romney hasn't supported during his political career.

66 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:27:00pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

Watching this whole video. Oh the DNC peeps. glorious.

During the Speech my feed was taking audience shots and reactions..
So in the middle of Obama burning down the house they show this young lady just texting away in her seat slumped over.
I thought to myself..Who the hell is so important to text to than the President? I hope it was Tom Cruise or Katy Perry or something

67 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:28:33pm

re: #66 Digital Display

During the Speech my feed was taking audience shots and reactions..
So in the middle of Obama burning down the house they show this young lady just texting away in her seat slumped over.
I thought to myself..Who the hell is so important to text to than the President? I hope it was Tom Cruise or Katy Perry or something

Yeah, that's just weird. I admit like many 20's some, I love my smartphone and I drain its battery but if I'm listening to something like a speech live. That thing is in my pocket. Same thing with classes.

69 jaunte  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:29:24pm
70 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:29:52pm

re: #68 Mocking Jay

Let's do this.

Obama: 'Help Us Destroy Jesus And Start A New Age Of Liberal Darkness'

“finally kill Jesus once and for all, as well as all those who worship him
Sad part is there are some who actually believe he thinks this way. These are the people who buy the Obama wants to destroy America myth that people like the fat prick Limbaugh has pushed.

71 R.M. Ramallo  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:30:05pm

re: #55 Mocking Jay

Bush?

Who the hell you talkin' about?

I don't know. I just wanted to get in on the conversation.
:)
But let's just pretend that if this Bush fellow got Bin Laden, Repubs. would have changed Thanksgiving Day to ThanksBush Day.

72 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:30:07pm

re: #60 Kragar

The perfect song they should have ended the night with:

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Nah, should have gone with this:

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73 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:30:45pm

Gotta go OT. This is just too cool.

1,000,000,000,000 Frames/Second Photography. Yeah, you read that right. Check it out.

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74 Mich-again  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:30:52pm

re: #61 jaunte

From GWB on 11/06/2003.

Sixty years of Western nations excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe -- because in the long run, stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty. As long as the Middle East remains a place where freedom does not flourish, it will remain a place of stagnation, resentment, and violence ready for export. And with the spread of weapons that can bring catastrophic harm to our country and to our friends, it would be reckless to accept the status quo.

75 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:32:06pm

re: #69 jaunte

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No shit, that's all we're likely to hear: "Clinton's speech was better." Note that these are the same fuckwits who, 24 hours ago, were lambasting Clinton's speech and talking about how lacking it was.

76 JamesWI  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:32:07pm

re: #66 Digital Display

During the Speech my feed was taking audience shots and reactions..
So in the middle of Obama burning down the house they show this young lady just texting away in her seat slumped over.
I thought to myself..Who the hell is so important to text to than the President? I hope it was Tom Cruise or Katy Perry or something

To be fair, I think it's probably more likely that they were doing some "live-tweeting" of the speech, much like how we were doing live commentary here.

77 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:32:24pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

There's nothing Mother Teresa and Gilles de Rais supported that Mitt Romney hasn't supported during his political career.

HEY! sleep?

78 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:32:43pm

re: #76 JamesWI

To be fair, I think it's probably more likely that they were doing some "live-tweeting" of the speech, much like how we were doing live commentary here.

Yeah, that's a fair point.

79 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:33:41pm

Are they giving up on WI?

80 darthstar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:33:59pm
81 JamesWI  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:35:25pm

re: #79 Mocking Jay

Are they giving up on WI?

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I certainly hope so. I don't think I've seen any of those horrible Koch Bros ads in the past week or so, and I'm starting to get used to not rolling my eyes multiple times every commercial break.

82 darthstar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:36:28pm

re: #79 Mocking Jay

Are they giving up on WI?

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I hope so. Anyway...they've got the Ayn Rand vote. But maybe Romney assumes a congressman is enough to hold the state. Maybe we'll see a repeat of Reagan v. Mondale...and Wisconsin will go to the GOP...but only Wisconsin.

83 R.M. Ramallo  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:36:40pm

re: #79 Mocking Jay

Are they giving up on WI?

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Crap. I how the hell am I supposed to watch tv?

84 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:37:13pm

re: #45 freetoken

It strikes me that the Overton window has shifted so far right that people aren't appreciating how un-progressive (outside of women's health issues) this convention's presentations were.

Obama's speech also referenced DADT repeal

You’re the reason a young immigrant who grew up here and went to school here and pledged allegiance to our flag will no longer be deported from the only country she’s ever called home, why selfless soldiers won’t be kicked out of the military because of who they are or who they love; why thousands of families have finally been able to say to the loved ones who served us so bravely: “Welcome home, welcome home.”

There's also the presentation by Barney Frank, whereas Romney was forced to fire his campaigns only openly gay staffer earlier this year. Also Zach Wahls and Tammy Baldwin also touched on gay equality:

One of the speeches that came earlier in the evening was from Zach Wahls, an Iowa youth with lesbian parents who gained notoriety for speaking out against a proposed ban on marriage equality in his state. He’s also an Eagle Scout who’s been pushing the Boy Scouts to end its gay ban.

...

Baldwin’s speech marked the first time an openly gay U.S. Senate candidate spoke before a major party’s national convention.

85 dragonath  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:37:19pm

Now that the convention is over, what were the best speeches? For me they were:

Clinton
Obama (both of them!)
Deval Patrick

86 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:37:56pm

re: #73 makeitstop

science man. I went quite a ways through. cheers me.

87 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:38:25pm

They're still doing ads here in Virginia but I've seen more pro Obama ads than anything. What I've seen the least of though is pro Mitt ads. And I think that hurts his cause here. People here in Northern Va are doing pretty well compared with other parts of the country. We're the population center of the state and while we generally like Obama I think, we wouldn't mind seeing Mitt make a case for Mitt and we really haven't seen ads that do that. I separate the two types.
It's like this:
1.) Pro Obama ads
2.) Anti Mitt ads
2B) Anti Obama ads

3:) Pro Mitt ads

88 freetoken  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:39:19pm

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

Obama's speech also referenced DADT repeal

You’re the reason a young immigrant who grew up here and went to school here and pledged allegiance to our flag will no longer be deported from the only country she’s ever called home, why selfless soldiers won’t be kicked out of the military because of who they are or who they love;

[...]

In which I notice that he cleverly avoided the words "gay" or "homosexual" or "sexual orientation".

89 aagcobb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:40:07pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

They're still doing ads here in Virginia but I've seen more pro Obama ads than anything. What I've seen the least of though is pro Mitt ads. And I think that hurts his cause here. People here in Northern Va are doing pretty well compared with other parts of the country. We're the population center of the state and while we generally like Obama I think, we wouldn't mind seeing Mitt make a case for Mitt and we really haven't seen ads that do that. I separate the two types.
It's like this:
1.) Pro Obama ads
2.) Anti Mitt ads
2B) Anti Obama ads

3:) Pro Mitt ads

I'm sure you'll see more. If Wisconsin is out of play, Romney needs Va as badly as he needs Florida, NC and Ohio.

90 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:40:25pm

re: #85 dragonath

Now that the convention is over, what were the best speeches? For me they were:

Clinton
Obama (both of them!)
Deval Patrick

I liked Castro. Had shades of Obama's 2004 Keynote there because there was a happy optimism to his speech. I hope he runs for higher office in Texas and I think he will. Apparently, he's speaking at my alma mater on Saturday to help get the Obama campaign kicked off there. Would be going but my kid brother's LL game is the same day and as much as I would love to see Castro speech, I'm a big brother first.

91 JamesWI  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:40:50pm

re: #82 darthstar

I hope so. Anyway...they've got the Ayn Rand vote. But maybe Romney assumes a congressman is enough to hold the state. Maybe we'll see a repeat of Reagan v. Mondale...and Wisconsin will go to the GOP...but only Wisconsin.

RCP's poll average currently has it for Obama at 1.6%. But the polls for Wisconsin only go through 8/21, so maybe Romney's camp has seen some numbers we haven't?

It does seem odd though, considering some of the states where they are running the ads (New Hampshire, Nevada) seem to be leaning blue a lot more heavily than Wisconsin.

92 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:41:13pm

re: #89 aagcobb

I'm sure you'll see more. If Wisconsin is out of play, Romney needs Va as badly as he needs Florida, NC and Ohio.

I am sure I am. I am just saying that I really haven't seen any ads by Mitt's team here that emphasize Mitt. There are plenty of anti Obama ads that I've seen but relatively few pro Mitt ones.

93 darthstar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:41:18pm

re: #88 freetoken

[...]

In which I notice that he cleverly avoided the words "gay" or "homosexual" or "sexual orientation".

Because gay, homosexual, and sexual orientation are irrelevant when it comes to love. This was consistent throughout the DNC...all the speakers used the "nobody should be biased against because of who they love" approach. It's not about sexuality, it's about love. Period.

94 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:41:53pm

Michelle Obama was the best. by far.

Castro & the Sister, then Joe, then Sandra Fluke.

95 allegro  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:42:18pm

re: #85 dragonath

I thought Elizabeth Warren was outstanding as well. I am hoping to get the opportunity to vote Warren 2016.

96 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:43:19pm

Of what I saw
Both President and Mrs. Obama, Clinton, Castro. I liked Patrick's too I guess because we got a story of how Mitt is when he's actually governing(I know shocker since he's been running for president longer than he's ever been in any office) Oops forgot Elizabeth Warren. I like her style. She could be a really fitting heir to her predecessor, not Brown, the big fella.

97 jaunte  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:43:23pm
98 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:43:45pm

re: #88 freetoken

In which I notice that he cleverly avoided the words "gay" or "homosexual" or "sexual orientation".

People aren't a label, that's kind of the entire point of the equal rights debate.

99 freetoken  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:44:35pm

re: #93 darthstar

I understand the moral argument for which they were shooting.

However, politics is a game of stimulating people and manipulating them by words (as well as by other means.) Words matter, as poll takers understand very well.

100 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:45:05pm

re: #97 jaunte

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Does that idiot know that's still going to get a SS visit? Really, I don't know what this man has done to elicit so much hate. I dislike Mitt Romney but you will never see me on facebook or twitter or anywhere wanting him to be harmed. I think he's a jerk but that's it.

101 JamesWI  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:45:08pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

I am sure I am. I am just saying that I really haven't seen any ads by Mitt's team here that emphasize Mitt. There are plenty of anti Obama ads that I've seen but relatively few pro Mitt ones.

That's because Mitt doesn't run ads that emphasize Mitt, because in order to do so, he'd actually have to have something substantive that he's running on.

Same thing as the primaries, where he just bombarded the battleground states with attack ads against Gingrich and Santorum. The difference now is that he's finally facing someone who has the funds to buy just as many ads.

102 R.M. Ramallo  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:45:34pm

re: #97 jaunte

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The rain wasn't the only reason they changed the venue.
Just a thought.

103 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:46:10pm

re: #101 JamesWI

That's because Mitt doesn't run ads that emphasize Mitt, because in order to do so, he'd actually have to have something substantive that he's running on.

Same thing as the primaries, where he just bombarded the battleground states with attack ads against Gingrich and Santorum. The difference now is that he's finally facing someone who has the funds to buy just as many ads.

Well that makes him a shitty candidate for Virginia. Bear in mind, he only won here in the primaries because Santorum and Gingrich couldn't even get on the ballot.

104 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:46:29pm

re: #97 jaunte

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Well, I see someone has no problem whatsoever dropping the n-bomb.

105 jaunte  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:46:43pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Another idiot wondering why he has to pay to support the Secret Service.

106 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:47:21pm

re: #102 OhNoZombies!

The rain wasn't the only reason they changed the venue.
Just a thought.

I don't even want to imagine that. My Dad's told me of how he remembers the Kennedy assassination vividly. He remembers getting pissed at some stupid kid who made "I thought Kennedy was Catholic so why was he shot in the temple" joke not long after JFK died.

107 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:48:12pm

re: #105 jaunte

Another idiot wondering why he has to pay to support the Secret Service.

Speaking of the good folks at the Secret Service. If Obama truly were the tyrant he's made out to be, would they be investigating that group that is claiming to be using Mitt's returns as a hostage bait?

108 darthstar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:48:18pm

re: #99 freetoken

I understand the moral argument for which they were shooting.

However, politics is a game of stimulating people and manipulating them by words (as well as by other means.) Words matter, as poll takers understand very well.

I don't think Obama drove much of the gay vote to Romney tonight.

109 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:49:42pm

re: #108 darthstar

Well, Romney has a good chunk of the multi-millionaire gay vote (but not all of it! Geffen, etc.)

110 The Mongoose  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:51:02pm

re: #102 OhNoZombies!

The rain wasn't the only reason they changed the venue.
Just a thought.

Interesting. I think they really were having trouble filling it, and the arena setting worked pretty well for Mrs. Obama and President Clinton...and there really was a storm threat. The security theory is interesting but the stadium shouldn't be much more of a security risk than the arena unless there are a lot of tall buildings surrounding it (and maybe there are, I'm not familiar with the area).

111 JamesWI  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:51:41pm

re: #97 jaunte

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That kid looks like he's about 15 years old. I'm guessing if his parents had a twitter account, we'd be seeing even worse coming from them.....

112 darthstar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:52:09pm

re: #109 ReamWorks SKG

Well, Romney has a good chunk of the multi-millionaire gay vote (but not all of it! Geffen, etc.)

Holy crap! I didn't know Geffen was a millionaire!

113 The Mongoose  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:52:38pm

re: #111 JamesWI

That kid looks like he's about 15 years old. I'm guessing if his parents had a twitter account, we'd be seeing even worse coming from them.....

Never too young to be an imbecile, apparently.

114 JamesWI  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:53:42pm

re: #97 jaunte

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LOL....from that same racist teenager:

Yeah, he'd last a real looooong time down there!

115 R.M. Ramallo  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:53:47pm

re: #110 The Mongoose

Interesting. I think they really were having trouble filling it, and the arena setting worked pretty well for Mrs. Obama and President Clinton...and there really was a storm threat. The security theory is interesting but the stadium shouldn't be much more of a security risk than the arena unless there are a lot of tall buildings surrounding it (and maybe there are, I'm not familiar with the area).

There was a thunderstorm.
But ODS is strong, and the wingnuts are nervous.

116 darthstar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:53:56pm
117 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:54:03pm

re: #113 The Mongoose

And tomorrow I'll hear Rush Limbaugh complaining that this kid got arrested, but Spike Lee is still walking around free.

118 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:54:06pm

re: #114 JamesWI

LOL....from that same racist teenager:

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Yeah, he'd last a real looooong time down there!

Whatev.

119 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:55:06pm

If I got my panties in a knot every time I saw a distasteful post on Twitter, I'd have no circulation from the waist down....

120 jaunte  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:55:56pm
121 darthstar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:57:47pm

re: #120 jaunte

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Romney's exact words were "#1 geopolitical foe" Politifact doesn't understand synomyms.

122 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:58:57pm

re: #121 darthstar

Romney's exact words were "#1 geopolitical foe" Politifact doesn't understand synomyms.

Yeah, oh well, at least they didn't do what the AP did which was really pathetic.

123 JamesWI  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:59:18pm

re: #121 darthstar

Romney's exact words were "#1 geopolitical foe" Politifact doesn't understand synomyms.

Also "'Our #1 adversary' with regards to UN votes."

So they're our biggest geopolitical foe, and our worst adversary in the UN, but "#1 enemy" is only ......mostly true.

124 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:59:24pm

re: #73 makeitstop

Gotta go OT. This is just too cool.

1,000,000,000,000 Frames/Second Photography. Yeah, you read that right. Check it out.

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My goodness... They had to correct for Relativity in that last picture? Did I understand that right? :)

"Whoa"

125 R.M. Ramallo  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:59:26pm

re: #121 darthstar

Romney's exact words were "#1 geopolitical foe" Politifact doesn't understand synomyms.

Or paraphrasing.

126 jaunte  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:59:45pm

re: #121 darthstar

In that piece, he never used the word "enemy" or "foe" to describe Russia. But he did depict it as an adversary and referred to its "intransigence."

Language experts.

127 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:59:52pm

re: #120 jaunte

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We are our own greatest enemy.

Well, except for the people who want to blow us up.

After that, we're own greatest enemy.

128 darthstar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:00:44pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Yeah, oh well, at least they didn't do what the AP did which was really pathetic.

Clinton's dick is all encompassing.

129 jaunte  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:01:05pm

I'm going to keep calling it "kleen koal."

130 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:01:25pm

re: #126 jaunte

Language experts.

For fuck sakes, he said foe. He made it pretty clear that he views Russia as a huge adversary. Really I appreciate what the fact checkers try to do but sometimes I they doth protest too much.

131 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:01:57pm

re: #128 darthstar

Clinton's dick is all encompassing.

Yeah even thirteen years later. Wonder what Monica is doing these days anyhow.

132 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:02:39pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Yeah even thirteen years later. Wonder what Monica is doing these days anyhow.

The last time I saw anything, it had pretty much destroyed her life.

133 blueraven  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:02:55pm

re: #85 dragonath

Now that the convention is over, what were the best speeches? For me they were:

Clinton
Obama (both of them!)
Deval Patrick

Agree with your pics
Jennifer Granholm was great
Lilly Ledbetter
John Kerry was very good too
Julian Castro, a real star
Sister Simone!
Biden, I always love (emotional)

134 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:04:41pm

re: #132 Mostly sane, most of the time.

The last time I saw anything, it had pretty much destroyed her life.

I meant career wise. I am glad she didn't use the scandal to become a celeb-reality star. She values her privacy and I respect that.

135 R.M. Ramallo  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:04:52pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Yeah even thirteen years later. Wonder what Monica is doing these days anyhow.

Last I heard, she was trying to start her own handbag line in England.
That was a couple of years ago though.

136 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:06:54pm

re: #135 OhNoZombies!

Last I heard, she was trying to start her own handbag line in England.
That was a couple of years ago though.

Just checked wiki. She tried to start one over here, gave up, went to England, and got a masters degree.

137 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:07:17pm

re: #135 OhNoZombies!

Last I heard, she was trying to start her own handbag line in England.
That was a couple of years ago though.

Well I hope it worked out because as I said, the woman is entitled to some privacy.

138 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:07:22pm

Didn't catch Granholm's speech earlier, but I'm watching it now.

Feels more like a performance to me. :-/

139 darthstar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:09:24pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Yeah even thirteen years later. Wonder what Monica is doing these days anyhow.

I did a search on her earlier today...she couldn't escape the media focus on her because she was seen as an attack vector against the Clintons, so she stopped selling her line of purses and moved to London in 2005 to go to school...got a degree in 2006, and is staying out of the media and public eye as much as she can. More power to her, I say. She didn't deserve to have her life fucked up because she sucked one dick...unless it was Ghandi's.

140 darthstar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:09:51pm

Okay...time for bed...see you all in the morning.

141 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:10:57pm

re: #139 darthstar

I did a search on her earlier today...she couldn't escape the media focus on her because she was seen as an attack vector against the Clintons, so she stopped selling her line of purses and moved to London in 2005 to go to school...got a degree in 2006, and is staying out of the media and public eye as much as she can. More power to her, I say. She didn't deserve to have her life fucked up because she sucked one dick...unless it was Ghandi's.

London's a fun city.

142 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:14:56pm

I caught clips of Obama's speech on Sirius driving home from a HS football game tonight. The commentators pointed out that Romney did not mention the troops one time in his fantasy last Thursday, while Obama made multiple mentions of gratitude towards them, etc. Romney, you can go suck a bag of dicks.

143 R.M. Ramallo  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:16:00pm

Linda Tripp always bugged me though.
She never did get that book deal, and I bet her friends leave her out of the juicy gossip.

144 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:16:21pm

re: #142 Changing Colors, Spinning Yarns

I caught clips of Obama's speech on Sirius driving home from a HS football game tonight. The commentators pointed out that Romney did not mention the troops one time in his fantasy last Thursday, while Obama made multiple mentions of gratitude towards them, etc. Romney, you can go suck a bag of dicks.

I think that was done intentionally. Really though how tone deaf are Romney and his speechwriters not to include a simple thank you to the troops?

145 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:18:51pm

Clinton's speech during DNC tied in ratings with Honey Boo Boo!

[Link: www.hollywoodreporter.com...]

Honey Boo Boo for president in 2016!

146 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:21:05pm

re: #13 Pawn of the Oppressor

They've gone positive, in a way, and they've gone on the attack too, for once. It's about time.

Obamacare paid for a spinal transplant for the Dems. It's been a nice change of pace.

147 R.M. Ramallo  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:21:46pm

re: #145 ReamWorks SKG

Clinton's speech during DNC tied in ratings with Honey Boo Boo!

[Link: www.hollywoodreporter.com...]

Honey Boo Boo for president in 2016!

I was gonna go to bed, but now I'm too scared to sleep.

148 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:22:54pm

re: #146 Lidane

Obamacare paid for a spinal transplant for the Dems. It's been a nice change of pace.

It's nice to hear them talk about their accomplishments with pride. When I was on the way to the doc's today for my follow up, NPR had Tom Periello, guy used to represent Virginia in the House for the district that includes UVA but outside of that is pretty conservative. Periello was a guy who not just voted for ACA but didn't run away from his vote. He made a lot of nice points for progressivism as a whole too. He's now working with the Center for American Progress.

149 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:23:51pm

re: #145 ReamWorks SKG

Clinton's speech during DNC tied in ratings with Honey Boo Boo!

[Link: www.hollywoodreporter.com...]

Honey Boo Boo for president in 2016!

Honey Boo Boo Badger

Youtube Video
150 blueraven  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:25:00pm

re: #138 Mocking Jay

Didn't catch Granholm's speech earlier, but I'm watching it now.

Feels more like a performance to me. :-/

Definitely, but very effective in my opinion.

151 JamesWI  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:27:16pm

re: #145 ReamWorks SKG

Clinton's speech during DNC tied in ratings with Honey Boo Boo!

[Link: www.hollywoodreporter.com...]

Honey Boo Boo for president in 2016!

Ugh....thankfully, that is just against the ratings of the most-watched cable broadcast of the speech....but still. This country is doomed.

152 engineer cat  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:28:38pm

PolitiFact @politifact

Obama said Romney called Russia our No. 1 enemy. Mostly True

but george did not put them on the axis of eeebils

153 JamesWI  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:30:20pm

re: #145 ReamWorks SKG

Clinton's speech during DNC tied in ratings with Honey Boo Boo!

[Link: www.hollywoodreporter.com...]

Honey Boo Boo for president in 2016!

Also of note: Honey Boo Boo actually BEAT the Republican Convention on the broadcast networks and Fox News

In the demo, Honey Boo Boo did even better. The half-hour series' showing among adults 18-49 bested all other cable outings for the night -- including coverage of the Republican National Convention -- to pull a 1.3 rating.

Fox News gave the show its closest competition with a 1.2 adults rating in the same time period. On the broadcast networks, Honey Boo Boo bested ABC and CBS' demo showing for the RNC combined and topped NBC by two-tenths of a point. Aggregate coverage of the RNC across networks obviously eclipsed Honey Boo Boo considerably.

154 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:31:37pm

re: #153 JamesWI

Also of note: Honey Boo Boo actually BEAT the Republican Convention on the broadcast networks and Fox News

Honey Boo or Mitt Romney?


And I have no idea what Honey Boo is about and I despise Reality TV.

155 JamesWI  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:36:35pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Honey Boo or Mitt Romney?

And I have no idea what Honey Boo is about and I despise Reality TV.

It is the worst of the worst in reality TV. Morbidly obese rednecks convinced they are the epitome of beauty, toddler beauty pageants, teen pregnancy (One of the kids in the show is pregnant, and the matriarch of the family first got pregnant at 15....and the husband is like 8 years older than her, so who knows how he's not in prison right now). Basically, every loathsome aspect of reality TV condensed into one show for everyone to gawk at. It makes Jersey Shore look like educational programming.

Yes, I've read way too much about this show for my own good, and even tried to sit through an episode. I didn't make it.

156 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:37:48pm

re: #155 JamesWI

It is the worst of the worst in reality TV. Morbidly obese rednecks convinced they are the epitome of beauty, toddler beauty pageants, teen pregnancy (One of the kids in the show is pregnant, and the matriarch of the family first got pregnant at 15....and the husband is like 8 years older than her, so who knows how he's not in prison right now). Basically, every loathsome aspect of reality TV condensed into one show for everyone to gawk at. It makes Jersey Shore look like educational programming.

Yes, I've read way too much about this show for my own good, and even tried to sit through an episode. I didn't make it.

Worse than Jersey Shore? Dear God in Heaven..........

157 JamesWI  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:39:02pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Worse than Jersey Shore? Dear God in Heaven..........

And the fact that it's on a channel that was once named "The Learning Channel" somehow makes it even more perverse.

158 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:40:09pm

re: #157 JamesWI

And the fact that it's on a channel that was once named "The Learning Channel" somehow makes it even more perverse.

What's become of TLC anyhow? I always watched more of Discovery and History but TLC once upon a time had some educational stuff. I remember they were the network that gave us Sarah Palin's Alaska and that was probably the worst show I've ever seen. Seriously, it's really sad what the so called educational networks have become though I will admit that H2 and Military have some good stuff. I really liked the Nazi Collaborators show for example.

159 freetoken  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:41:06pm

re: #155 JamesWI

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

160 sagehen  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:41:46pm

re: #155 JamesWI

It is the worst of the worst in reality TV. Morbidly obese rednecks convinced they are the epitome of beauty, toddler beauty pageants, teen pregnancy (One of the kids in the show is pregnant, and the matriarch of the family first got pregnant at 15....and the husband is like 8 years older than her, so who knows how he's not in prison right now). Basically, every loathsome aspect of reality TV condensed into one show for everyone to gawk at. It makes Jersey Shore look like educational programming.

Yes, I've read way too much about this show for my own good, and even tried to sit through an episode. I didn't make it.

I've never watched the show, I only know this because they're in People magazine this week, but... the four kids are from four different fathers. Only two of which she married.

It's sad that when a white family can be described that way, they're salt of the earth, real Americans, the kind of people Karl Rove's ads aim to energize and Freedom Works targets them for GOTV. But when a black family can be described IN THE EXACT SAME TERMS, they're the boogiemen in those Karl Rove ads and they're who Freedom Works proposes policies to make it harder for them to vote.

161 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:44:58pm

re: #160 sagehen

I've never watched the show, I only know this because they're in People magazine this week, but... the four kids are from four different fathers. Only two of which she married.

It's sad that when a white family can be described that way, they're salt of the earth, real Americans, the kind of people Karl Rove's ads aim to energize and Freedom Works targets they for GOTV. But when a black family can be described IN THE EXACT SAME TERMS, they're the boogiemen in those Karl Rove ads and they're who Freedom Works proposes policies to make it harder for them to vote.

Reality TV proves people should need a license to have children.
/

162 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:47:28pm

James Taylor is a great showman. I had the pleasure of seeing him live about 5 years ago.

163 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:50:17pm

re: #161 Kragar

Well technically, I don't think procreating is in the bill of rights.

164 sagehen  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:51:22pm

Here's her mugshot for the last time she was arrested:

Image: june_shannon_mug_shot.jpg

(that time was for theft, unconnected to the time she was investigated by CPS as possibly an unfit mother)

165 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:52:11pm

re: #164 sagehen

Here's her mugshot for the last time she was arrested:

Image: june_shannon_mug_shot.jpg

(that time was for theft, unconnected to the time she was investigated by CPS as possibly an unfit mother)

Whoops sorry accidentally downdinged that, didn't mean to do anything.

166 JamesWI  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:53:03pm

re: #164 sagehen

Here's her mugshot for the last time she was arrested:

Image: june_shannon_mug_shot.jpg

(that time was for theft, unconnected to the time she was investigated by CPS as possibly an unfit mother)

That picture doesn't quite show how much her face/head looks like a giant, fat thumb in everything else I've seen.

167 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:54:09pm

People used to always bitch at the history channel when it was the Hitler Channel but at least that was history and honestly sometimes they had provoking shows. I found the portraits of Hitler's henchmen fascinating and as I mentioned Nazi collaborators was cool because you got a neat insight to why collaboration happened.

168 JamesWI  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:55:43pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

People used to always bitch at the history channel when it was the Hitler Channel but at least that was history and honestly sometimes they had provoking shows. I found the portraits of Hitler's henchmen fascinating and as I mentioned Nazi collaborators was cool because you got a neat insight to why collaboration happened.

And now it's all pawn shops, auction hunters, and U.F.Os.

169 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:57:07pm

re: #168 JamesWI

And now it's all pawn shops, auction hunters, and U.F.Os.

I know, *angry history major*. Oh well not like my personal library is lacking but I'm visual and I love historical documentaries. I

170 sagehen  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:57:11pm

here's mother and daughter in matching pageant costumes:
Image: f7166427f80232274a2fab6f8dd7c049.jpg

and here's the child with no makeup:
Image: honey-booboo-440.jpg

her catchphrase is "a dollar makes me holler". Would I be out of line to speculate what she'll do for a living when she's older?

171 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:57:27pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

People used to always bitch at the history channel when it was the Hitler Channel but at least that was history and honestly sometimes they had provoking shows. I found the portraits of Hitler's henchmen fascinating and as I mentioned Nazi collaborators was cool because you got a neat insight to why collaboration happened.

The only thing I've learned watching the shows on TLC is we don't deserve to continue as a species.

172 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:58:21pm

re: #170 sagehen

here's mother and daughter in matching pageant costumes:
Image: f7166427f80232274a2fab6f8dd7c049.jpg

and here's the child with no makeup:
Image: honey-booboo-440.jpg

her catchphrase is "a dollar makes me holler". Would I be out of line to speculate what she'll do for a living when she's older?

Feast on the flesh of the once living as she carries their souls to the realm of the neverborn?

173 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:05:03pm

re: #171 Kragar

The only thing I've learned watching the shows on TLC is we don't deserve to continue as a species.

And all I've learned from the History Channel lately is that the American version of Top Gear is entertaining.

I saw an episode where they each drove a small car (a Smart car, a Fiat and Scion) through Louisiana. I laughed. Watching those cars get into a tug of war with an airboat was hilarious. And I totally would have punched the guy who cut open a bag of live crawfish in the back of one of the cars just to screw with one of the other hosts.

174 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:13:42pm

re: #173 Lidane

And all I've learned from the History Channel lately is that the American version of Top Gear is entertaining.

I saw an episode where they each drove a small car (a Smart car, a Fiat and Scion) through Louisiana. I laughed. Watching those cars get into a tug of war with an airboat was hilarious. And I totally would have punched the guy who cut open a bag of live crawfish in the back of one of the cars just to screw with one of the other hosts.

I never make it past watching the commercials without feeling the need to scrub my eyes and ears with bleach.

175 sagehen  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:14:44pm

honey boo boo's parents... I'm trying to think of what old-timey movie characters (or maybe it was something from the comics?) they remind me of:

Image: june-shannon-mike-thompson-lg.jpg

176 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:16:50pm

re: #175 sagehen

honey boo boo's parents... I'm trying to think of what old-timey movie characters (or maybe it was something from the comics?) they remind me of:

Image: june-shannon-mike-thompson-lg.jpg

Banjos... Keep paddling.

177 sagehen  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:19:10pm

for some reason I'm picturing her with a frying pan or rolling pin in her hand, chasing him down the block.

178 engineer cat  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:22:20pm

foot down upon the throttle
sit back and watch the old smoke roll
lookin' out the rear view mirror
for the highway patrol

there's such a thing as too much of this here politics stuff

179 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:24:45pm

re: #177 sagehen

for some reason I'm picturing her with a frying pan or rolling pin in her hand, chasing him down the block.

They are the Archetype for every domestic call ever seen on Cops.

180 freetoken  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:27:44pm

Reality TV shows, coming soon to a network near you:

America's Next Top Hooch

MasterBitch
Gluttony!
 Keeping Up With The Hitlers
 The Whoremonger

181 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:29:46pm

How about a version of Top Gear that involves testing mobile meth labs?

182 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:33:57pm

re: #180 freetoken

Reality TV shows, coming soon to a network near you:

America's Next Top Hooch

MasterBitch
Gluttony!
 Keeping Up With The Hitlers
 The Whoremonger

The World's Next Great Dictator?

183 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:34:23pm

Pillage! - Two groups set up camps on opposite sides of a valley and must raid each other for cash and prizes

Hitman - Contestants are assigned a target and must compete against each other to be the first to successfully take out the mark.

184 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:36:48pm

Reclaim America:

Two teams each have a county to work with, first team to introduce creationism into the schools, run abortion providers out of the county and get the teen pregnancy rate above the national average wins.

185 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:40:07pm

Audition - Contestants interview for a spot on what they think will be the next great reality TV show, go through a series of ludicrous situations and tests, then have a board of psychologists explain to them in detail why they are profoundly damaged human beings, unworthy of any vestige of love.

186 freetoken  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:45:28pm

re: #185 Kragar

We already do that - they are called "elections".

187 freetoken  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:03:20am

It's been that kind of summer....

MP3 Audio
188 freetoken  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:55:04am
MP3 Audio
189 researchok  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:25:28am

re: #187 freetoken

re: #188 freetoken

Good relief valve...

I'm glad the conventions are over.

I'll be even happier when the elections are done with.

190 freetoken  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:45:59am

We were kidding about reality shows earlier... but reality is stranger than fiction it seems.

There is a Brit reality TV show called... Top Dog Model.

I know there are a lot of dog lovers out there, and dog shows have been around for quite a while, but this show is just over the top. Watching the first episode (courtesy of the internet) I kept having to tell myself it was a parody - it had to be a parody - but, it's "real".

The world is doomed.

191 researchok  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:57:54am

re: #190 freetoken

I can tell you with some authority Brits are a bit daft, as my grandfather would say.

Britain is an island.

Maybe a wee bit too much inbreeding.
/

192 freetoken  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:10:50am

re: #191 researchok

Well, all I know is I need a counter dose of something after all that reality TV...

Here's an orchestration of one of the best know pieces from Italian opera:

MP3 Audio
193 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:29:36am

re: #191 researchok

I can tell you with some authority Brits are a bit daft, as my grandfather would say.


/

Water connected people more than it separated them, espeecially in the days before modern road and rail travel...but British culture seems to be based on an ongoing struggle to maintain some appearance of sanity in the face of encroaching madness...

194 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:33:54am

Morning Honcos.

195 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:47:41am

Enjoy your stay.
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

196 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:14:37am

re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar

Enjoy your stay.
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Proof that even blacks are turning against Obama!

(you know tht's going to turn up in a real post somewhere, doncha?)

197 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:25:28am

Holy crap!! I was going over the employment ads online and ran across "train conductor". $200/HR. Wow.

198 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:27:01am

re: #197 Cannadian Club Akbar

A friend of mine who works for the MTA told me that there's basically a certainty of seeing a suicide if you drive a train or a subway for a couple of years.

I think people who use trains and subways to commit suicide are big assholes.

199 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:38:51am

re: #198 Obdicut

A friend of mine who works for the MTA told me that there's basically a certainty of seeing a suicide if you drive a train or a subway for a couple of years.

I think people who use trains and subways to commit suicide are big assholes.

Regardless of how hard ass a person thinks they are, a person jumping in front of your train, semi, car, etc., would fuck you up psychologically. And for the love of Pete, if you want to off yourself just get some pills or a gun. Kinda makes me wonder if a person who uses such a violent way to kill themselves is in an even deeper depression than a regular depressed person.

200 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:45:53am

This hurt.
[Link: aol.sportingnews.com...]

201 ozbloke  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:49:43am

Just saw Obama's speech.

Your president is very impressive.
I am very happy he is the leader of the free world.

202 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:57:07am

The Church of Scientology tried to bargain with two of its most high-profile antagonists after defeating them in civil court recently by offering to wipe out a $42,000 debt in exchange for information about other church critics.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

I don't hate many people but I can't stand the Scientology freaks.

203 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:58:39am

re: #199 Cannadian Club Akbar

Regardless of how hard ass a person thinks they are, a person jumping in front of your train, semi, car, etc., would fuck you up psychologically. And for the love of Pete, if you want to off yourself just get some pills or a gun. Kinda makes me wonder if a person who uses such a violent way to kill themselves is in an even deeper depression than a regular depressed person.

There was a case of a suicide on the tracks in Flagstaff, Arizona, where the train comes barreling over Observatory Hill and cannot stop if it wants to in most cases...according to the report, the fellow just sat on the tracks and "made an obscene gesture with his finger" before the train hit him.

Reminded me of that "Last Great Act of Defiance" t-shirt....

204 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:02:13am

re: #203 Expand Your Ground

Here's another way to go...
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

205 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:06:07am

re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar

This hurt.
[Link: aol.sportingnews.com...]

Scariest thing in sports, imho

A pitcher, totally vulnerable, off balance with a line drive going probably 125+ mph 66 feet away coming right at him

206 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:10:31am

re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar

Speaking of pitchers, did you see how the Atlanta Braves won 1-0 last night? In all me many years watching sports, pros, college, high school, little league, pick-up games, I have never seen that

207 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:12:16am

re: #205 sattv4u2

Scariest thing in sports, imho

A pitcher, totally vulnerable, off balance with a line drive going probably 125+ mph 66 feet away coming right at him

I played slow pitch softball for a friend's team in Miami. A coed team. The other team had a ringer playing center. There was a girl playing catcher. Play at the plate and he threw a frozen rope. She missed the ball and it hit her flush in the nose. She dropped like a sack of taters. Her nose just blew up. Gak!!

208 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:13:00am

re: #206 sattv4u2

Speaking of pitchers, did you see how the Atlanta Braves won 1-0 last night? In all me many years watching sports, pros, college, high school, little league, pick-up games, I have never seen that

No. How? I do know Seattle had a no hitter this year using 6 pitchers.

209 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:14:38am

re: #206 sattv4u2

Dude stole home? Carl Crawford used to do that.

210 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:15:22am

re: #208 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. How? I do know Seattle had a no hitter this year using 6 pitchers.

Runner on 3rd

Pitcher throws a ball

Catcher tosses the ball back to the pitcher (who stepped forward of the mound)

Pitcher misses the toss

Ball rolls behind him towards 2nd base

Too far for the shortstop, 2nd baseman or pitcher to get to before the runner on 3rd breaks for home and scores

THE ONLY RUN OF THE GAME

211 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:16:21am

re: #210 sattv4u2

Heads up base running.

212 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:18:52am

I find it surprising that Gov. Andrew Cuomo did not speak at the convention.
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I see a Christy/Cuomo battle in four years, if Christy don't have a grabber.
I often tell my wifey that Cuomo is the best conservative guvnah NY ever had.

213 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:21:03am

re: #212 Tommy's cone of shame

I find it surprising that Gov. Andrew Cuomo did not speak at the convention.
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I see a Christy/Cuomo battle in four years, if Christy don't have a grabber.
I often tell my wifey that Cuomo is the best conservative guvnah NY ever had.

What really surprised me is that Schumer was nowhere to be found!

Most dangerous place in the world?
Standing between Schumer and a TV camera!

214 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:22:30am

hmmmm


Venezuela Holds U.S. Vessel And Crew On Suspicion Of Arms Trafficking


[Link: www.forbes.com...]

The Venezuelan government has seized a U.S. flagged ship and detained its captain for more than a week The rest of the crew of 15 Americans has remained on board under guard.

215 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:23:22am

Bradley Cooper: 'Dead fish were everywhere - and kittens were eating the dead fish'


Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]
There has got to be a joke in there somewhere!

216 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:25:49am

re: #215 Tommy's cone of shame

Bradley Cooper: 'Dead fish were everywhere - and kittens were eating the dead fish'

Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]
There has got to be a joke in there somewhere!

Or a Friday night Knights of Columbus fish fry !!

217 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:26:59am

re: #215 Tommy's cone of shame

Bradley Cooper: 'Dead fish were everywhere - and kittens were eating the dead fish'

Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]
There has got to be a joke in there somewhere!

I see your dead fish and raise you swamp rats.
[Link: www.clarionledger.com...]

218 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:28:29am

re: #217 Cannadian Club Akbar

I see your dead fish and raise you swamp rats.
[Link: www.clarionledger.com...]

Why hasn't George Bush gone down there and cleaned those up!!

/

219 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:29:03am

re: #214 sattv4u2

hmmmm

Venezuela Holds U.S. Vessel And Crew On Suspicion Of Arms Trafficking

[Link: www.forbes.com...]

The Venezuelan government has seized a U.S. flagged ship and detained its captain for more than a week The rest of the crew of 15 Americans has remained on board under guard.

There was just an article on the BBC about how Venezuela should be much more popular tourist destination, what with its lengthy seacoast, jungles, mountains and Angel Falls, but somehow, they don't attract a lot of visitors...

220 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:30:31am

re: #219 Expand Your Ground

There was just an article on the BBC about how Venezuela should be much more popular tourist destination, what with its lengthy seacoast, jungles, mountains and Angel Falls, but somehow, they don't attract a lot of visitors...

Danny Glover gives it a thumbs up!!!

221 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:32:16am

re: #219 Expand Your Ground

There was just an article on the BBC about how Venezuela should be much more popular tourist destination, what with its lengthy seacoast, jungles, mountains and Angel Falls, but somehow, they don't attract a lot of visitors...

Companies that build/ run luxury type resorts aren't likely to invest in a place where there's political turmoil (see Cuba,,, pre and post 1953).

222 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:34:27am

It's the teeth!
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I just like looking at Kelly's feet.

223 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:34:47am

re: #221 sattv4u2

Companies that build/ run luxury type resorts aren't likely to invest in a place where there's political turmoil (see Cuba,,, pre and post 1953).

Why? Because Chavez took over all the golf courses? Like he'd take over a resort for some reason.
/

224 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:39:14am

Police: Sex Toys Stolen In Burglary
[Link: www.thedenverchannel.com...]
You just can't make this shit up.

225 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:41:09am

re: #224 Cannadian Club Akbar

I hope they run them thru the dishwasher before use!

226 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:41:29am

Ah well

Pain meds are kicking in

Going back to my (thrice interrupted) sleep

227 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:44:31am

re: #225 Tommy's cone of shame

I hope they run them thru the dishwasher before use!

We had a family of four that used to eat where I used to work. They let the husband's father move in with them. The father put spy cams in the married couples bedroom and had tapes of them. Freak!!

228 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:45:12am

re: #227 Cannadian Club Akbar

We had a family of four that used to eat where I used to work. They let the husband's father move in with them. The father put spy cams in the married couples bedroom and had tapes of them. Freak!!

How many copies did you end up buying?

229 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:46:01am

[Link: www.nypost.com...]
All the beautiful people

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:46:49am

re: #229 Tommy's cone of shame

[Link: www.nypost.com...]
All the beautiful people

Never heard of her.

231 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:49:22am

re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar

Never heard of her.

That's okay

She's never heard of you either!

232 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:49:42am

re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar

One of them poked my eye out!

233 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:51:26am

re: #223 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why? Because Chavez took over all the golf courses? Like he'd take over a resort for some reason.
/

Venezuela has enough foreign currency coming in from oil, they really don't need to promote a tourist industry like some nations without resources do.

234 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:52:38am

re: #232 Tommy's cone of shame

One of them poked my eye out!

Parts of South Beach are topless and there are about 4 modeling agencies on Ocean Boulevard. Do the math. It's kinda awesome.

235 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:08:35am

re: #226 sattv4u2

Ah well

Pain meds are kicking in

Going back to my (thrice interrupted) sleep

I'm awake with back pain again. What kind of pain you got?

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:09:10am

Zombie Apocalypse: 'The Zombies Are Coming,' Homeland Security Warns
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
This is actually a great idea.

237 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:13:03am

re: #235 Killgore Trout

I'm awake with back pain again. What kind of pain you got?

Satt is a pain in my ass. Does that count?

238 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:16:22am

re: #237 Cannadian Club Akbar

Satt is a pain in my ass. Does that count?

Then he should share his pain meds with you.

239 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:17:23am

Damn, I almost had a clean sweep of the bottom 10.

240 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:17:56am

re: #239 Killgore Trout

Damn, I almost had a clean sweep of the bottom 10.

It's good to have goals.:)

241 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:19:40am

Politifact gives Obama some pretty good ratings
On final night in Charlotte, Obama takes the stage

242 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:34:03am

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

Nobody's going with Wagner. Dude was an epic level anti-semite.

This time I have to agree with you: If a major candidate either party used Wagner, the other party would call him or her a Nazi before 3 hours had passed.

243 compound_Idaho  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:34:46am

Unemployment rate 8.1%
96,000 new jobs
368,000 Americans give up looking. If people keep giving up at this rate we will be at full employment before you know it.

244 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:36:02am

re: #239 Killgore Trout

Damn, I almost had a clean sweep of the bottom 10.

That's why I stayed on Twitter while Obama was speaking. I knew I'd just get downdinged if I was here.

245 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:41:51am

re: #243 compound_Idaho

And yet, the stock market is at an all-time high, and companies are making record profits.

It's almost as though supply-side, trickle-down economics just doesn't work.

And what form of economics are the GOP proposing to fix the economy?

Why, supply-side, trickle-down economics, of course!

246 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:42:13am

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

Nobody's going with Wagner. Dude was an epic level anti-semite.

Germany goes to great lengths to avoid tossing the baby of his music out with the bathwater of his anti-Semitism. And since he was dead at least 50 years before the Nazis co-opted him, one cannot say definitively how he would have related to them...

247 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:48:48am

Why is Putin stockpiling gold?
[Link: www.marketwatch.com...]
Well, someone has been listening to Glenn Beck.
///

248 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:49:10am

re: #246 Expand Your Ground

Germany goes to great lengths to avoid tossing the baby of his music out with the bathwater of his anti-Semitism. And since he was dead at least 50 years before the Nazis co-opted him, one cannot say definitively how he would have related to them...

True, but that wouldn't stop the partisan attacks that would ensue if an American candidate used his music. The attacks would be made because the initial "ZOMG!!1 CANDIDATE X IS A NAZI!!1" would travel faster and further than any thinking rebuttal. That kind of tarring isn't really decent, but it often works.

249 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:52:53am

Apparently, Obama's speech drove a few idiots over the edge, and now they get to look forward to a nice visit from the folks with the Secret Service.


THE CHOICE: When 16 Year-Old Alyssa Douglas Calls For The President’s Assassination on Twitter

250 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:54:07am

re: #249 RadicalModerate

Apparently, Obama's speech drove a few idiots over the edge, and now they get to look forward to a nice visit from the folks with the Secret Service.


THE CHOICE: When 16 Year-Old Alyssa Douglas Calls For The President’s Assassination on Twitter

re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar

Enjoy your stay.
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

People are stoopid.

251 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:54:27am

The secret service sure is busy these days.

Secret Service Arrests Charlotte Man For Twitter Death Threats Against Barack Obama

A North Carolina man was arrested yesterday for threatening to kill President Barack Obama in a series of Twitter messages, one of which warned that, “Ima hit president Obama with that Lee Harvey Oswald swag,” The Smoking Gun has learned.

Democratic Delegate ‘Would Like to Kill’ Mitt Romney

New York delegate Julia Rodriguez told a reporter on camera that if she bumped into Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, she “would like to kill him,” leading the U.S. Secret Service to investigate the threat.

“We are aware of it and will take the appropriate follow-up,” George Ogilvie, spokesman for U.S. Secret Service, told ABC News in a statement Thursday.

Secret Service Investigating Death Threat Against President Obama

The U.S. Secret Service and Philadelphia police are investigating a threat that was made against President Barack Obama from a city pay phone, Fox-29 reported.

Special Agent in Charge Cindy Wofford confirmed Wednesday afternoon that the Secret Service is investigating a call that came in as a 9-1-1 call from a payphone on the 100 block of East Cumberland Street in the city’s Kensington section.

The Secret Service “takes every threat seriously,” Wofford said, adding that they “are working it” with the Philadelphia police.

Kos kidz are excited about this one: When 16 Year-Old Alyssa Douglas Calls For The President's Assassination on Twitter UPDx3

It does need to be reported to police and secret service but posting contact information for her school is too much.

252 Big Steve  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:55:37am

re: #239 Killgore Trout

Damn, I almost had a clean sweep of the bottom 10.

Well today is another day! Try try harder.

253 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:57:29am

re: #249 RadicalModerate

Apparently, Obama's speech drove a few idiots over the edge, and now they get to look forward to a nice visit from the folks with the Secret Service.


THE CHOICE: When 16 Year-Old Alyssa Douglas Calls For The President’s Assassination on Twitter

Posting her school contact information is just too much. She needs to be reported but she's a kid. There no need to try to ruin her life.

254 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:57:55am

re: #252 Big Steve

Well today is another day! Try try harder.

No effort needed. It comes naturally.

255 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:59:10am

re: #251 Killgore Trout

As is, ordinary citizens have already pastebinned, (basic, openly, and publicly available) information about her, including her school's contact info, should you feel inclined to leave an overnight message about hope or give an early morning ring to the Principal.
From The Kos link. WTF is the principal gonna do?

256 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:00:06am

Unless I missed it there was nothing on DKos about the Dem delegate making death threats. It's frustrating to see the hypocrisy that death threats only get attention depending on the political party of the victim.

257 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:02:22am

re: #255 Cannadian Club Akbar

As is, ordinary citizens have already pastebinned, (basic, openly, and publicly available) information about her, including her school's contact info, should you feel inclined to leave an overnight message about hope or give an early morning ring to the Principal.
From The Kos link. WTF is the principal gonna do?

It's especially stupid to encourage people to leave messages overnight. They're just trying to take revenge on a 16 year old girl instead of just letting the authorities deal with it.

258 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:02:32am

re: #256 Killgore Trout

Unless I missed it there was nothing on DKos about the Dem delegate making death threats. It's frustrating to see the hypocrisy that death threats only get attention depending on the political party of the victim.

That's easy. Because the original story was from The Blaze. Can't give them any press.

259 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:04:59am

re: #256 Killgore Trout

Unless I missed it there was nothing on DKos about the Dem delegate making death threats. It's frustrating to see the hypocrisy that death threats only get attention depending on the political party of the victim.

It's probably also to do with the actual credibility of the death threats. For example, I don't see the threat against Obama's life by the stoner on DailyKos either, probably because it was made by a guy smoking up while he waited for his Chinese food.

So relax, ease your invented frustrations.

260 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:09:35am

I don't think freaking out over a 16 year old girl making a death threat is very sensible, either, but it does suck that she got retweeted so much. I wonder if the SS has to investigate every retweet? Probably not.

And she gained followers. That's probably just the accident theory; everyone wants to watch people who are fucking up.

261 Big Steve  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:10:25am

re: #256 Killgore Trout

Unless I missed it there was nothing on DKos about the Dem delegate making death threats. It's frustrating to see the hypocrisy that death threats only get attention depending on the political party of the victim.

I have just resigned myself to the past two weeks being 'hooray for our side' love fests by both sides and their corresponding media and blog sites.

I was listening to sports radio the other day and some caller was talking about how he hated the Dallas Cowboys (apologizes to NJD). The sports radio guy asked him if he really hated them and the caller replied that it was "sports hate" and not real hate. Politics is like that....one can get their "sports hate" on for an opposing candidate but some people cross the line into real hate.

262 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:10:30am

re: #259 Obdicut

It's probably also to do with the actual credibility of the death threats. For example, I don't see the threat against Obama's life by the stoner on DailyKos either, probably because it was made by a guy smoking up while he waited for his Chinese food.

So relax, ease your invented frustrations.

It would be easier if we had a website for submitting bi-partisan death threats--GitmoGateway.

'Morning, all.

263 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:10:35am

re: #68 Mocking Jay

Let's do this.

Obama: 'Help Us Destroy Jesus And Start A New Age Of Liberal Darkness'

What else can Romney run on? His tenure as Governor? His time with Bain Capital? The Ryan Budget? All he has left is Fear and Loathing of Obama in all its forms.

264 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:10:42am

re: #254 Killgore Trout

No effort needed. It comes naturally.

That totally reminds me of this:

Asshole Admits To Being Asshole In Supreme Asshole Move

265 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:11:41am

re: #260 Obdicut

I don't think freaking out over a 16 year old girl making a death threat is very sensible, either, but it does suck that she got retweeted so much. I wonder if the SS has to investigate every retweet? Probably not.

And she gained followers. That's probably just the accident theory; everyone wants to watch people who are fucking up.

You just know people are waiting for her next tweet about what happened to her. People need better hobbies.

266 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:11:45am

re: #45 freetoken

It strikes me that the Overton window has shifted so far right that people aren't appreciating how un-progressive (outside of women's health issues) this convention's presentations were.

Even the fact that Mitt is in favor of certain exceptions for abortions in the case of rape makes him seem "moderate" on the issue...

267 alpuz  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:13:22am

re: #264 Obdicut

"He acted like outing his own assholiness somehow made it our problem, not his. What a dick." - heh.

268 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:13:30am

re: #261 Big Steve

I hate some teams but love their players. But I get your point.

269 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:14:14am

re: #268 Cannadian Club Akbar

I've never hated any team as much as I hate this year's Red Sox, but that's because I'm a Red Sox fan.

270 Big Steve  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:15:26am

re: #268 Cannadian Club Akbar

I hate some teams but love their players. But I get your point.

I used to hate Charles Barkley will great gusto until he was picked up by the Houston Rockets, then I kind of liked the guy.

271 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:15:53am

re: #260 Obdicut

I don't think freaking out over a 16 year old girl making a death threat is very sensible, either, but it does suck that she got retweeted so much. I wonder if the SS has to investigate every retweet? Probably not.

...

It's remotely possible that the technology and procedures are that sophisticated. The fun part is that the craziest of the wingers are apt to think so.

272 Big Steve  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:16:18am

re: #269 Obdicut

I've never hated any team as much as I hate this year's Red Sox, but that's because I'm a Red Sox fan.

Ah....check the Houston Astro's record this year.....and I have fucking season tickets!

273 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:16:26am

re: #269 Obdicut

I've never hated any team as much as I hate this year's Red Sox, but that's because I'm a Red Sox fan.

I am praying Tampa and B'more make the playoffs and the Yanks and Sox don't. But I love me a Sox/Yanks game!!!

274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:17:34am

re: #270 Big Steve

I used to hate Charles Barkley will great gusto until he was picked up by the Houston Rockets, then I kind of liked the guy.

I don't like Barkley because during the '92 Olympics he elbow smashed some little guy for no reason. He was just being a douche.

275 Big Steve  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:18:26am

re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't like Barkley because during the '92 Olympics he elbow smashed some little guy for no reason. He was just being a douche.

agreed but for that time with the Rockets he was our douche!

276 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:19:09am

re: #275 Big Steve

agreed but for that time with the Rockets he was our douche!

I did love Clyde the Glide.

277 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:19:23am

re: #243 compound_Idaho

Unemployment rate 8.1%
96,000 new jobs
368,000 Americans give up looking. If people keep giving up at this rate we will be at full employment before you know it.

I gave up looking in 2009. Than, in 2010, I got a job! (OK I was still looking but you know, kinda half hearted, not really expecting anything)

278 Mattand  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:23:36am

re: #275 Big Steve

agreed but for that time with the Rockets he was our douche!

Kinda how Philly views him for the most part. Exciting player, could be an ass at times.

Two things people hold against him 'round these parts:

1. Never got the Sixers to the finals, let alone win a championship.
2. He was an outspoken black guy. Still a problem for some people in the Philly area; particularly when it comes to athletes.

279 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:23:47am

re: #93 darthstar

In which I notice that he cleverly avoided the words "gay" or "homosexual" or "sexual orientation".

Because gay, homosexual, and sexual orientation are irrelevant when it comes to love. This was consistent throughout the DNC...all the speakers used the "nobody should be biased against because of who they love" approach. It's not about sexuality, it's about love. Period.

And it is not about which filthy orifice they choose to use, which is a major obsession on the right these days.

280 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:25:43am

re: #278 Mattand

Philly fans are brutal.

281 Big Steve  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:27:24am

speaking of sports and politics.....Political Donations by the NFL

282 Mattand  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:28:45am

re: #280 Cannadian Club Akbar

Philly fans are brutal.

Preaching to the choir, dude.

I have kind of a love/hate relationship with the sports scene around here. Parts of the reputation are overblown to a degree; others are well deserved.

I'd love to see each team win their respective championships, but at the end of the day, I still have way more important shit to worry about. That's where I tend to part ways with many of the hard core.

283 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:29:44am

Florida State vs. Savannah State preview: Seminoles favored by record 70-1/2 points
[Link: aol.sportingnews.com...]

Money quote:
The Tigers got $385,000 for their game last weekend in Stillwater, and will get a bit more ($475,000) for this weekend’s seal clubbing in Tallahassee. Why, you ask?
Heh.

284 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:31:36am

re: #283 Cannadian Club Akbar

My friend who is a betting guy took Nebraska years ago at minus 59. Nebraska won the game 63-3.

285 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:33:37am
286 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:33:48am

The stats this morning make it clear that employment is not on the mend, it's barely stable. So far behind population growth it's credible to argue it's in decline.

This has never been a thing the POTUS is in a good position to fix. It's far more up to Congress and heads of companies en mass. But since this is an election year all will be looking for the men aiming for an office that is relatively incapable of repairing that. It's a little like looking to put air in the tires to prevent overheating.

Try the radiator first. (Congress and those corporate heads)

287 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:37:43am

Brooklyn is the second most expensive place to live in U.S. (Manhattan is first)

Why do my kids want to live there? They tell me: Because it's not Detroit.

288 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:51:08am

re: #285 Lidane

[Embedded content]

What in the ever-living hell?! That "judge" is female?? Good goddamn that proves iceweasel right when she said some of the worst misogynistic are other women:

Last summer, a drunk Arizona police officer named Robb Gary Evans drove himself to a bar, flashed his badge to avoid paying cover at the door, and then walked up behind a woman, put his hand up her skirt, and ran his fingers over her genitals. A jury convicted him of sexual abuse
...
Nevertheless, Arizona trial Judge Jacqueline Hatch, who was appointed to the bench by Gov. Jan Brewer (R-AZ), decided that Evans’ actions did not warrant jail time
...
Yet, while Judge Hatch apparently did not view the disgraced former cop’s actions as particularly serious, she had some very harsh words for the woman he assaulted:

Bad things can happen in bars, Hatch told the victim, adding that other people might be more intoxicated than she was.

“If you wouldn’t have been there that night, none of this would have happened to you,” Hatch said.
...
Hatch said that the victim was not to blame in the case, but that all women must be vigilant against becoming victims.

“When you blame others, you give up your power to change,” Hatch said that her mother used to say.

"If you hadn't been there this wouldn't have happened?" Gee, what the hell else does that remind you of? 9_9

Figures this disgusting gender-traitor was appointed by Jan Brewer, herself the mother of a rapist.

289 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:52:29am

Why did I live in Manhattan when I made $40 per week? Because it wasn't Brooklyn or the Bronx.

290 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:53:11am

Good morning lizards!

I am about to got to some training class but wanted to stop by and say hello.

Oh, and Eagle fans are evil!

291 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:54:16am

re: #290 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

I am about to got to some training class but wanted to stop by and say hello.

Oh, and Eagle fans are evil!

English class?
/

292 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:55:12am

re: #288 Interesting Times

Judge should be impeached just for her misuse of the conditional, among other things.

293 iossarian  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:55:56am

re: #292 Decatur Deb

Judge should be impeached just for her misuse of the conditional, among other things.

I noticed that too. Don't they teach anything at Judge School nowadays?

294 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:56:26am

re: #291 Cannadian Club Akbar

English class?
/

I got a 'd minus' in English. I was great in algebra though.

295 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:56:56am

re: #293 iossarian

I noticed that too. Don't they teach anything at Judge School nowadays?

She shouldn't've had to said that, really...

296 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:01:11am

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's easy. Because the original story was from The Blaze. Can't give them any press.

Confirmed by TPM.

Julia Rodriguez, a DNC delegate who said in a video interview with the Blaze that she would kill Mitt Romney if she saw him, should expect to be hearing from the Secret Service.

Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan confirmed to TPM on Thursday that the agency is aware of the video and is taking “appropriate follow-up measures.”

As part of that process, Secret Service personnel will try to determine Rodriquez’s intentions, as they did when they met with rocker Ted Nugent earlier this year.

In the video, Rodriguez said Romney “will destroy this country” and added that she would “like to kill him” if she ever saw him. The Secret Service’s involvement was first reported by the Daily Caller.

Rodriguez, who said on the video that she is from the Bronx, is listed as a delegate on the official Democratic website.

297 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:07:36am

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's easy. Because the original story was from The Blaze. Can't give them any press.

Well, if it's The Blaze they shouldn't. There's no good reason to encourage Glenn Beck's insanity.

298 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:07:49am

re: #293 iossarian

I noticed that too. Don't they teach anything at Judge School nowadays?

They don't even teach them to sing and dance like in the old days

Youtube Video
299 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:10:40am

re: #298 sattv4u2

Thank God. I thought you were gonna post Cop Rock!!

300 wheat-dogg  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:13:49am

re: #170 sagehen

her catchphrase is "a dollar makes me holler". Would I be out of line to speculate what she'll do for a living when she's older?

If we all pitched in a dollar each, would she just go away?

301 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:14:01am

re: #299 Cannadian Club Akbar

Thank God. I thought you were gonna post Cop Rock!!

I'm cruel,,, but I'm not THAT cruel!!!

302 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:22:23am

re: #296 NJDhockeyfan

Confirmed by TPM.

Then HuffPo should have reported it and linked to Talkingpointsememo. That site is sane.

303 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:24:01am

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

Well, if it's The Blaze they shouldn't. There's no good reason to encourage Glenn Beck's insanity.

Beside the fact, that if you watch the video, you can see that this elderly woman was struggling with English...to find the right words to vent her feelings.

Yes, she is an idiot, yes, she should be questioned by SS.
But to pretend this was a credible death threat is ridiculous.

304 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:25:07am

Mah brainz.

305 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:25:19am

re: #303 blueraven

you can see that this elderly woman was struggling with English.

The English word "kill" is pretty universal!

306 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:25:47am

re: #303 blueraven

Beside the fact, that if you watch the video, you can see that this elderly woman was struggling with English...to find the right words to vent her feelings.

Yes, she is an idiot, yes, she should be questioned by SS.
But to pretend this was a credible death threat is ridiculous.

Who was running the interview/recording? Wolf Blitzer vs. James O'Keefe makes a difference.

307 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:26:16am

re: #304 Gus

Mah brainz.

Breakfast Item?

I once had calf brains (but not for breakfast)

308 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:26:19am

re: #303 blueraven

Beside the fact, that if you watch the video, you can see that this elderly woman was struggling with English...to find the right words to vent her feelings.

Yes, she is an idiot, yes, she should be questioned by SS.
But to pretend this was a credible death threat is ridiculous.

Yep. Pretty much. They'll probably let her go. Meanwhile, the DNC should "fire" her from being a delegate.

309 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:26:54am

re: #303 blueraven

Beside the fact, that if you watch the video, you can see that this elderly woman was struggling with English...to find the right words to vent her feelings.

Yes, she is an idiot, yes, she should be questioned by SS.
But to pretend this was a credible death threat is ridiculous.

Still, its important to make clear that her sort of talk is not acceptable. Neither Mitt Romney nor Barack Obama deserves to die for the actions taken in their lives and it is vile and wrong to speak of killing them.

310 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:26:59am

re: #307 sattv4u2

Breakfast Item?

I once had calf brains (but not for breakfast)

I need bacon.

311 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:27:04am

re: #308 Gus

Yep. Pretty much. They'll probably let her go. Meanwhile, the DNC should "fire" her from being a delegate.

ageist!

312 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:27:49am

re: #310 Gus

I need bacon.

Mmmmmm,,, bacon

(grumble grumble,,,, I have to fast till this evening ,,, blood test at 4)

313 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:27:50am

re: #311 sattv4u2

ageist!

I did not call her a "senile old coot!"

//

314 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:28:19am

re: #313 Gus

I did not call her a "senile old coot!"

//

Well of course not

Thats me!!!

315 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:28:19am

re: #312 sattv4u2

Mmmmmm,,, bacon

(grumble grumble,,,, I have to fast till this evening ,,, blood test at 4)

Fasting? What is fasting?

//

316 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:28:41am

re: #308 Gus

Yep. Pretty much. They'll probably let her go. Meanwhile, the DNC should "fire" her from being a delegate.

absolutely. You have to wonder what went on before that little clip too and I dont trust the source. She was pretty riled up.

317 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:28:42am

re: #313 Gus

I did not call her a "senile old coot!"

//

What..who...yes, dear.

318 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:28:44am

re: #315 Gus

Fasting? What is fasting?

//

grumble ,, grumble grumble

319 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:28:59am

re: #311 sattv4u2

ageist!

Law enforcement practices ageism all the time, and well, they should. A threat of death from a 17-year old boy is far more likely to be genuine than one from a 72-year old woman.

320 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:29:49am

re: #319 Dark_Falcon

Law enforcement practices ageism all the time, and well, they should. A threat of death from a 17-year old boy is far more likely to be genuine than one from a 72-year old woman.

We senile old coots depend on that.

321 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:31:09am

re: #320 Decatur Deb

We senile old coots depend on that.

and we depend on Depends!

322 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:34:03am

Well. The jobs report was meh. The economy is truly schizophrenic. Yesterday all of the trading markets were setting records. Still records amounts of cash. Corporations sill setting profit records... Yet no one is really hiring very much.

323 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:03:44am

re: #322 Gus

If half (maybe far less) the profitable stock/bond/derivative/whatevers were widgets that had to be made, packaged, distributed and sold to the US consumer, the economy would be freakin great. Lots of people would be in the widget biz.

324 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:43:51am

re: #183 Kragar

Pillage! - Two groups set up camps on opposite sides of a valley and must raid each other for cash and prizes

Hitman - Contestants are assigned a target and must compete against each other to be the first to successfully take out the mark.

Youtube Video
325 efuseakay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:25:47am

re: #74 Mich-again

From GWB on 11/06/2003.

heh... 60 years of the West treating Middle Eastern nations as their property is what really brought this "war" on.


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