1 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:05:10am

Bless him for trying, but it ain’t gonna happen.

2 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:08:09am

The sheer amount of misinformation out there regarding this presser is unbelievable.

Somehow, the Biden Commission’s list of recommendations has magically morphed into ‘23 Executive Orders.’ SMH.

3 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:09:15am

Why do I suspect the Secret Service has never been as busy as they are right now?

4 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:09:17am

You know who else made public announcements?

5 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:09:39am

re: #4 Kragar

You know who else made public announcements?

Donald Trump?

6 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:10:24am
7 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:11:36am

re: #6 Lidane

[Embedded content]

They say that and then their personal arsenal increases just like they did with Clinton. Same thing will happen with the next Democratic president. Rinse and repeat. This whole reaction is just an excuse for the gun hoarders to hoard even more guns.

8 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:11:40am

Texas AG forces counties to continue gun shows

Officials in Travis County, Texas on Tuesday ditched their plans to ban gun shows on county property after Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott threatened a “double-barreled lawsuit.”

The decision means that nine gun shows will take place as planned at the Travis County Exposition Center. Commissioners made their determination after an hour-long meeting with county attorneys, according to The Austin American Statesman.

“I take very seriously the idea of abiding by the law,” Commissioner Sarah Eckhardt reportedly said. ”State law prevents this court from doing much of anything on this issue.”

9 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:11:52am

re: #6 Lidane

Its true. Never before has a black President presented a moderate and thoughtful list of steps that Congress should take to curtail gun violence. It is truly unprecedented.

10 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:12:21am

re: #8 Kragar

Texas AG forces counties to continue gun shows

Travis County is Austin, BTW.

11 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:12:23am

Going to be productive.
Have a great day all!

12 blueraven  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:12:36am
If you drag the slider in this live feed, you can replay the video.

VP comments start at about 33:30

13 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:12:52am

Legislative agenda means that Congress gets to consider. That means that Congress gets to chew through the legislative recommendations by the Administration and spit out whatever it doesn’t want/like.

Hardly tyrannical. It’s the legislative process after all.

Of the recommendations, the universal background checks is something that could potentially see the light of day as well as some of the mental health provisions.

While the attention is on AWB, the overwhelming majority of homicides and suicides are carried out with handguns, which aren’t being treated by a AWB. The mental health provisions could potentially reduce the suicide rates and crimes by the mentally ill, and that by itself would be a significant achievement. How it gets done - respecting the privacy and rights of the mentally ill is a challenge, but one that can be overcome.

14 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:13:03am

re: #8 Kragar

Tyranny!!!! I mean FREEDOM!

15 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:13:26am

ZOMG! TYRANNY!

16 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:13:27am

re: #6 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Unprecedented like an ATF director and school guards and mental health avenue like the NRA proposed?

17 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:14:19am

re: #15 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Executive Power is only good if your name is Reagan, Bush, or Nixon.

19 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:14:36am

RNC: Obama’s Executive Actions A ‘Power Grab’

It takes a lot of balls for a man who just yesterday was talking about how it was the official GOP position to rig the next election to accuse someone else of a power grab.

20 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:15:14am

Here we go. The right wing spreading disinformation to feed their low information base.

21 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:15:30am

re: #17 HappyWarrior

Executive Power is only good if your name is Reagan, Bush, or Nixon.

Only Reagan, and only when he was supporting things they liked.

Bush was clearly a RINO and Nixon created the EPA and took us off the gold standard. And he talked to Mao. OUTRAGE!

22 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:15:47am

Proposing Gun Regulations - A power grab
Gerrymandering whole states to swing an election - Good GOP policy

23 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:16:12am

re: #21 Lidane

Only Reagan, and only when he was supporting things they liked.

Bush was clearly a RINO and Nixon created the EPA and took us off the gold standard. And he talked to Mao. OUTRAGE!

Well I was talking about Nixon’s actions in Southeast Asia in specific but yeah.

24 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:16:21am
25 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:16:40am

According to the RNC this is a power grab:

• Improving Availability of Relevant Executive Branch Records to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System

• Tracing of Firearms in Connection with Criminal Investigations

• Engaging in Public Health Research on the Causes and Prevention of Gun Violence

Not by EO mind you but by a memoranda.

26 darthstar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:17:26am

And the stupid, it flows…

27 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:17:54am

re: #15 Lidane

[Embedded content]

I nominate “power grab” as the next phrase that ought to be stripped from the English language. The GOP haven’t just beaten that dead horse, they’ve flayed the flesh off it and are now busy grinding the bones.

28 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:17:55am

re: #24 Lidane

[Embedded content]

BLASPHEMER!!

29 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:18:01am

re: #26 darthstar

And the stupid, it flows…

[Embedded content]

If only prayer was so powerful, we could get Rick Perry removed for office for being a dumbass.

30 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:18:26am

Not one mention of video games, hammers, credit cards, or Jesus.

Obviously the president isn’t taking this seriously.
/

31 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:18:38am

re: #13 lawhawk

Of the recommendations, the universal background checks is something that could potentially see the light of day as well as some of the mental health provisions.

While the attention is on AWB, the overwhelming majority of homicides and suicides are carried out with handguns, which aren’t being treated by a AWB. The mental health provisions could potentially reduce the suicide rates and crimes by the mentally ill, and that by itself would be a significant achievement. How it gets done - respecting the privacy and rights of the mentally ill is a challenge, but one that can be overcome.

I agree. I’m less impressed with the assault weapons ban. I don’t object to it but I’m not sure if it’s going to be effective in reducing violence.
For me the biggest missing puzzle piece is reducing handgun crime in cities like Chicago, DC, LA, etc. If I’m not mistaken these types of crimes make up the vast majority or gun crimes but it seems to be the least discussed part of the problem.

32 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:18:49am

re: #26 darthstar

And the stupid, it flows…

[Embedded content]

So Lidane, you’re a Texan. How well did prayer work to bring rain to your parched lands?

33 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:18:53am

So the RNC is now defending criminals?

34 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:19:03am
35 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:19:41am

re: #26 darthstar

And the stupid, it flows…

[Embedded content]

Because prayers worked so well in ending the Texas drought, ending the recession, and keeping Obama from being reelected.

36 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:20:09am

re: #34 jaunte

The NRA is doing that too:

[Link: mediamatters.org…]

37 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:20:11am

re: #33 Gus

So the RNC is now defending criminals?

Normally, they just make sure they get elected.

38 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:20:35am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I agree. I’m less impressed with the assault weapons ban. I don’t object to it but I’m nit sure if it’s going to be effective in reducing violence.
For me the biggest missing puzzle piece is reducing handgun crime in cities like Chicago, DC, LA, etc. If I’m not mistaken these types of crimes make up the vast majority or gun crimes but it seems to be the least discussed part of the problem.

I’m pretty sure the overwhelming number of criminal acts involving firearms involve handguns, for rather obvious reasons.

And suicides committed with a firearm as well (OK, yeah, Kurt Cobain).

39 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:20:44am

Might as well face it, people, we are in for a very rough ride. It’s Defcon 2. The RW media are not even pretending to report facts anymore, it’s pure incitement now. I think we’ll have a Waco/OKC type incident within a month.

40 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:21:05am

re: #36 Lidane

The NRA is doing that too:

[Link: mediamatters.org…]

And this is where they should even though they have already jumped over the shark. Yeah Secret Service stop protecting the president because we’re butthurt over his proposed policies.

41 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:21:19am

re: #39 Shiplord Kirel

Might as well face it, people, we are in for a very rough ride. It’s Defcon 2. The RW media are not pretending to report facts anymore, it’s pure incitement now. I think we’ll have a Waco/OKC type incident within a month.

I’m already expecting some lunatic to try and pull shit during the inaugural.

42 Destro  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:21:52am

I was watching this through FOX news. If I understand how they explained what Obama said, it means Obama will now declare he is Hitler and the antichrist and will use children as human shields.

I will wait for Sean Hannity to explain it in more detail later on.

43 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:22:44am

Our problem to be perfectly frank is we’re not dealing with reasonable people. We’re dealing with people who think the second amendment is absolute and that God is responsible for that right. You can’t deal with people like that. And that’s why I fear sadly nothing of any real consequence will get done. We’ll talk about mental health but then the right will resist improvements to the mental health system. Damnit.

44 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:22:50am
45 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:22:57am

Right wingers all over the derposphere are talking about assassinating Obama today. I’ve seen dozens of comments advocating it already, just in a quick look through Breitbart.com and Hot Air.

46 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:23:00am

re: #42 Destro

I was watching this through FOX news. If I understand how they explained what Obama said, it means Obama will now declare he is Hitler and the antichrist and will use children as human shields.

I will wait for Sean Hannity to explain it in more detail later on.

Oh, Lordy. My wingnutese isn’t that proficient. Best of luck to you.

47 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:23:41am

re: #42 Destro

I won’t know what to think until Dicky Morris tells me what I should think.

48 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:23:44am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Right wingers all over the derposphere are talking about assassinating Obama today. I’ve seen dozens of comments advocating it already, just in a quick look through Breitbart.com and Hot Air.

I’m pretty sure advocating that is against the law, First Amendment notwithstanding.

49 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:24:48am

I’ll make a deal with the GOP.

You shut up, sit in the corner and pray as much as you fucking want.

We’ll leave you alone to do that, actually solve the problems, and tell you when its fixed so you can bitch about how long it took and that we did it wrong.

Now get in the fucking corner.

50 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:25:25am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Right wingers all over the derposphere are talking about assassinating Obama today. I’ve seen dozens of comments advocating it already, just in a quick look through Breitbart.com and Hot Air.

I found some of those at Twitter. But mostly I was tracking Godwins, 39 this morning.

51 Jolo5309  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:25:25am

re: #47 Bulworth

I won’t know what to think until Dicky Morris tells me what I should think.

Romney will win the election

52 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:25:36am

So when do the drones start blowing up the pick up trucks adorned with confederate stickers

53 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:25:40am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Right wingers all over the derposphere are talking about assassinating Obama today. I’ve seen dozens of comments advocating it already, just in a quick look through Breitbart.com and Hot Air.

Only takes one nut close to POTUS for it to actually happen.

54 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:26:02am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Right wingers all over the derposphere are talking about assassinating Obama today. I’ve seen dozens of comments advocating it already, just in a quick look through Breitbart.com and Hot Air.

Shit. They’re losing theirs.

55 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:26:08am

re: #51 Jolo5309

Romney will win the election

Excellent news for John McCain.

56 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:26:15am

re: #50 Vicious Babushka

I found some of those at Twitler. But mostly I was tracking Godwins, 39 this morning.

FTFY.

57 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:26:48am

re: #52 SpaceJesus

So when do the drones start blowing up the pick up trucks adorned with confederate stickers

Not soon enough.

58 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:27:04am

Threatening to kill someone for political reasons is T__r_r_s_ .

59 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:27:18am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I agree. I’m less impressed with the assault weapons ban. I don’t object to it but I’m not sure if it’s going to be effective in reducing violence.
(snip for conversation)

The thing is, when the assault weapon ban ended use of those weapons increased. That implies the original ban did have an impact.

60 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:27:22am

I wonder what Faux and Fiends will talk about tomorrow morning?

61 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:27:24am

Godwinderp.

Try talking with some of them on some other sites – they don’t care that Liberty is being trashed, they don’t care that the Dear Liars insane victim disarmament agenda will only put more people in danger.

They only care that the Oppressive side of the aisle is in ascension.

BTW, since we’re on the subject – take a gander at the History channel special ‘The Reich’ on the rise and fall.

During the rise a majority in Germany was in favor of their Dear Leader – and afterwards during the fall everyone was against him.

Interesting…

Galt2009

62 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:28:34am
Dear Liars insane victim disarmament agenda

We’re disarming kids who’ve been shot dead? /

63 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:28:41am
64 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:28:41am

How long before all those new NRA members realize they’ve provided all their personal information to an organization the government can subpoena for a list of its membership?

65 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:29:05am

re:commentary from downstairs thread:
I find it rather fascinating that the same individuals who are extremely vocal today in comparing President Obama to Hitler have in the very recent past advocated stripping basic Constitutional rights from non-whites, non-Christians, women, and gays.

Sort of like - well… you know who.

66 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:29:18am

re: #51 Jolo5309

Romney will win the election

By a landslide.

The other polls are skewed.

67 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:29:23am

re: #58 Randall Gross

Threatening to kill someone for political reasons is T__r_r_s_ .

You know who else did that?

68 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:29:29am

re: #63 Lidane

Been on the fringe for a while, Mika.

69 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:30:06am

re: #61 jaunte

Godwinderp.

That’s not even historically accurate. During Hitler’s fall, a majority was not against him. IF that were the case, the Battle of Berlin would have not been the hell on earth it was. And hell Hitler still has a lot of people today who still contend he was right. But yeah comparing Obama to Hitler, yawn. Obama’s not even Pinochet lite yet and the rwnjs love Pinochet.

70 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:30:47am

re: #68 Bulworth

Been on the fringe for a while, Mika.

Took the words outta my mouth or in this case fingers outta my keyboard.

71 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:30:50am

re: #64 Kragar

Huh?

I cannot imagine the government coming after the NRA unless it makes personal threats, which is not likely, and then only against the perpetrators, not all of the members.

72 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:30:50am

A handy chart for the proposals:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

73 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:31:02am

re: #64 Kragar

How long before all those new NRA members realize they’ve provided all their personal information to an organization the government can subpoena for a list of its membership?

Oops.

74 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:31:26am

re: #52 SpaceJesus

So when do the drones start blowing up the pick up trucks adorned with confederate stickers

January 2017 when Obama tries to start his third term.

///

75 Destro  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:31:43am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

That’s not even historically accurate. During Hitler’s fall, a majority was not against him. IF that were the case, the Battle of Berlin would have not been the hell on earth it was. And hell Hitler still has a lot of people today who still contend he was right. But yeah comparing Obama to Hitler, yawn. Obama’s not even Pinochet lite yet and the rwnjs love Pinochet.

I am pretty sure many if not most Germans by 1944 and 1945 fought on DESPITE Hitler not because they loved Hitler. The ordinary German feared the Nazi thugs behind him and the Russians in front of him.

Google pictures of Germans hung by Nazis in Berlin as a terror inducement for them to fight on.

76 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:31:46am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

“Was it over when Ernst Rohm attacked Pearl Harbor?”

77 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:32:30am

re: #71 Sol Berdinowitz

Huh?

I cannot imagine the government coming after the NRA unless it makes personal threats, which is not likely, and then only against the perpetrators, not all of the members.

I know that, and you know that, but paranoid conspiracy nuts who think big brother is coming after them? Not so much.

78 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:32:34am

re: #72 Randall Gross

A handy chart for the proposals:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Just like Hitler.//

79 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:33:00am

You know who else used charts?

80 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:33:30am

Every time I start to think “maybe we shouldn’t go overboard” I re-read this;

warning: not for the faint of heart

[Link: blogs.forward.com…]

81 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:33:31am

re: #75 Destro

I am pretty sure many if not most Germans by 1944 and 1945 fought on DESPITE Hitler not because they loved Hitler. The ordinary German feared the Nazi thugs behind him and the Russians in front of him.

Google pictures of Germans hung by Nazis in Berlin as a terror inducement for them to fight on.

True, true, just the statement that the Germans had turned against Hitler is inaccurate.

82 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:34:26am

re: #39 Shiplord Kirel

Might as well face it, people, we are in for a very rough ride. It’s Defcon 2. The RW media are not even pretending to report facts anymore, it’s pure incitement now. I think we’ll have a Waco/OKC type incident within a month.

Closer to three four months, I’d guess. It’s a lot harder to get ammonium nitrate fertilizer thanks to Tim McVay. So to get a big enough amount they’ll probably have to steal it which will take some time for planning - or have the caught in the act. But yeah, I’d watch out for vans or panel trucks near high value targets.

The good news is there’s probably only a few hundred to thousands that are angry enough and dangerous enough to do this. The bad news is they can kill a fair number of people with their terrorism.

83 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:34:54am

True gun lovers must abandon their homes and head into the wilds at once.

Its the only way to stay safe.

84 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:36:30am

re: #72 Randall Gross

A handy chart for the proposals:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Nice list. I think most of the items that require congressional action can be dismissed. They’ll never pass with the possible exception of studying video game and media influence on gun violence.

85 Destro  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:36:53am
He also announced 23 steps he intends to take immediately without congressional approval. These include improvements in the existing system for background checks, lifting the ban on federal research into gun violence, putting more counselors and “resource officers” in schools and better access to mental health services.

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com…]

Seriously? We had a ban on researching the effects of gun violence? That is enforced ignorance by the GOP on us so we don’t know how bad this thing is we are living with? What was the rationale for that? That science would show how wrong GOP ideology is? Ignorance is bliss?

86 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:38:42am

re: #79 jaunte

You know who else used charts?

Glenn Beck

87 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:45:18am

re: #32 Targetpractice

So Lidane, you’re a Texan. How well did prayer work to bring rain to your parched lands?

Prayer always works. It’s just like the story of the Indian rain dance.

It always works because they would just dance until it rained. Same thing with prayer. (unless, of course, you pray for shit that God left in that “helps those who only help themselves” category)

88 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:45:47am

re: #85 Destro

Seriously? We had a ban on researching the effects of gun violence? That is enforced ignorance by the GOP on us so we don’t know how bad this thing is we are living with? What was the rationale for that? That science would show how wrong GOP ideology is? Ignorance is bliss?

Seriously. The argument was that the research was or could be intended to aid advocacy for suppression of the second amendment. Yes, it’s as stupid as it sounds.

But what happened was that Congress (forget the year) specifically removed the amount of money in the budget to pay for the study. When the CDC pulled the money from other resources Congress reduced their funding again AND added a “do not investigate” instruction.

89 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:46:50am

Freep is generally shocked that the President was frightened enough to back off armed midnight seizure and opted for a Plan B. “Coward”.

90 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:46:59am

re: #54 Four More Tears

Shit. They’re losing theirs.

I think it’s safe and accurate to say they never had shit to begin with.

91 blueraven  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:06:43pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

Nice list. I think most of the items that require congressional action can be dismissed. They’ll never pass with the possible exception of studying video game and media influence on gun violence.

Bullshit. People like you giving voice to this “we cant do anything attitude” are just trying to keep anything form getting done.
Say it loud and often and people will believe it. I dont think so.

92 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:47:15pm

re: #91 blueraven

Bullshit. People like you giving voice to this “we cant do anything attitude” are just trying to keep anything form getting done.
Say it loud and often and people will believe it. I dont think so.

Put me down for “Can’t do anything” much. Not with the present Supreme Court and the TPGOP hold on the House. If you want to do anything much, start working to change those realities. I’ll be busy picking off a vulnerable Republican representative in nearby state in the 2014 election.

Carpetbagging can be fun.

93 blueraven  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:34:11pm

re: #92 Decatur Deb

Put me down for “Can’t do anything” much. Not with the present Supreme Court and the TPGOP hold on the House. If you want to do anything much, start working to change those realities. I’ll be busy picking off a vulnerable Republican representative in nearby state in the 2014 election.

Carpetbagging can be fun.

I’m not so sure. I really think Sandy Hook was a game changer. It elevated the debate exponentially. If, and thats a big if I know, we can get this to an up or down vote in the Senate and the House, I think it might pass.
Maybe not everything, but a lot.

94 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:35:40pm

re: #93 blueraven

I’m not so sure. I really think Sandy Hook was a game changer. It elevated the debate exponentially. If, and thats a big if I know, we can get this to a vote in the senate and the house, I think it might pass.
Maybe not everything, but a lot.

Not this House. 179 voted against the last Hurricane Sandy relief bill. It’s a club of saboteurs.

95 blueraven  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:36:22pm

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Not this House. 179 voted against the last Hurricane Sandy relief bill. It’s a club of saboteurs.

Yes, but it still passed.

96 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:38:22pm

re: #95 blueraven

Yes, but it still passed.

Kittens and gumdrops compared to meaningful gun control. Either we get a Supreme Court that is willing to rethink itself, or we go through the booby-trapped maze of a constitutional amendment.

97 blueraven  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:41:49pm

re: #96 Decatur Deb

Kittens and gumdrops compared to meaningful gun control. Either we get a Supreme Court that is willing to rethink itself, or we go through the booby-trapped maze of a constitutional amendment.

Thats why we have to put pressure on all of our representatives. If enough blue state republicans get enough pressure it could happen.
I am not all Pollyanna about this…I realize it is a long shot, but I refuse to give up before the fight.

98 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:41:52pm

re: #95 blueraven

Yes, but it still passed.

GOP house leadership brought Sandy relief up for a vote (they didn’t dare sit on it). After that, the disaster relief was going to pass.

For gun control, the real question is what, if anything, will the GOP leadership let come to a vote. This isn’t as urgent as disaster relief, so the leadership will want to do nothing.

99 blueraven  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:43:22pm

re: #98 EPR-radar

GOP house leadership brought Sandy relief up for a vote (they didn’t dare sit on it). After that, the disaster relief was going to pass.

For gun control, the real question is what, if anything, will the GOP leadership let come to a vote. This isn’t as urgent as disaster relief, so the leadership will want to do nothing.

Yes, thats why I said…IF we could get it to a floor vote. Pressure!
That includes Harry Reid.


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