Sarah Palin: The Government Is Stockpiling Ammo to Use Against US Citizens

Caribou Barbie’s latest wingnut fever dream
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Look out, half-governor Sarah Palin has emerged from her bunker to spread the right wing fairy tale that the federal government is stockpiling ammunition to use against American citizens when civilization breaks down and the US becomes a nightmare hellscape where the law of the jungle rules the streets. We’re doomed.

If we are going to wet our proverbial pants over 0.3% in annual spending cuts when we’re running up trillion dollar annual deficits, then we’re done. Put a fork in us. We’re finished. We’re going to default eventually and that’s why the feds are stockpiling bullets in case of civil unrest.

This gun-crazed far right paranoid fantasy has been debunked over and over and over, but here’s Sarah Palin mindlessly parroting it to the world once again. Talk about your epistemic closure.

In fact, the “stockpiling ammo” wingnut myth is so bogus (how bogus is it?), it’s even been disavowed by the National Rifle Association. Now, that’s bogus.

The email cites a “drastic spike” in the Department of Homeland Security’s bullet purchases and asks: “What is the US federal government preparing for?” The email also claims that “federal management agencies are looking more and more like a military army every day.”

DHS has indeed ordered hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition. But there is less here than meets the eye. And that’s according to the National Rifle Association and the office of Republican Congressman Lynn Westmoreland of Georgia.

The Department of Homeland Security recently contracted to buy up to 450 million rounds over the next five years. But DHS was making a first-time bulk order for all of its law enforcement agencies to save money. Those agencies include the Secret Service, the Transportation Security Administration and U.S. Customs and Border Enforcement, among many others.

The NRA describes the assertion as “incendiary.” It says the suggestion that the Obama administration is “preparing for a war with the American people” displays “a lack of understanding of the law enforcement functions carried about by officers in small federal agencies.” The NRA, which is no fan of the Democratic president, concludes that “there is no need to invent additional threats to our rights.”

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302 comments
1 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:45:32pm

Can. She. Open. Her. Mouth. Without. Lying?

2 Professor Chaos  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:47:08pm

re: #1 Iwouldprefernotto

Can. She. Open. Her. Mouth. Without. Lying?

Grifters gotta grift.

3 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:47:29pm

I’d just like to thank John McCain for dropping this turd on the national stage.

4 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:48:06pm

I can’t wait for her CPAC keynote speech. It will have enough Palin crazy in it to keep me entertained until summer.

5 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:48:40pm

Was she speaking in tongues?

6 Awea  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:50:14pm

Sarah, you need to go more derp!

7 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:50:34pm

pawned by the NRA.

Now that is something!

8 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:50:53pm

Vice President!

9 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:51:32pm

So, it’s ok if individual citizens take advantage of bulk ammo prices, but not the government which is spending our money?

10 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:52:50pm

re: #3 Kragar (Antichrist )

I’d just like to thank John McCain for dropping this turd on the national stage.

Every time McCain opens his mouth for some “straight talk”, the Palin/Couric interview should be shown instead

11 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:53:23pm

re: #9 FemNaziBitch

That is the way it should be.

12 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:53:55pm

When you’ve got the NRA and the DHS calling your BS BS, you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Of course she’ll take something routine like ammo purchases for an entire Department of the government and claim something sinister is afoot, even though it’s actually sound business practice to buy in bulk for multiple agencies that use the same ammo.

But she’ll be back at it digging deeper soon enough.

And her followers will mindless go on thinking that the government is busy stockpiling ammo for a war against them.

She is fixated on the DHS, but ignores that the military stockpiles ammo all the time as a matter of course - in much much larger calibers (like say in 50 cal, 120mm (for the M1A2 Abrams main gun), and a whole host of ordnance that civilians (or rwnj militant militia types) could never get their hands on, let alone afford.

It’s kinda necessary to have all that DoD weaponry stockpiled for a potential future conflicts.

13 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:55:10pm

NRA is tight with the military and law enforcement. Which is one reason I laugh when people think the military will turn on the citizenry if so directed by a tyrant.

14 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:55:55pm

re: #8 Gus

Vice President!

Too fucking close.

15 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:56:43pm

Sarah Palin: The Government Is Stockpiling Ammo to Use Against US Citizens

but warrantless interception of private communications of american citizens? - doesn’t concern her one bit…

16 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:58:08pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Too fucking close.

I apologize for that. =|

17 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:00:06pm

re: #16 Gus

I apologize for that. =|

Won’t get fooled again.

18 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:01:17pm

re: #16 Gus

I apologize for that. =|

One of my friends described voting for McCain/Palin as ‘political rock-bottom’, like a drunk finally having a moment where he realizes how far he’s let things go. In fact, I should get him to start posting on here. He’s a cool guy, came up with the word “Jacktackulous”, which I have no idea what it means but it sounds good.

19 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:01:22pm

re: #13 FemNaziBitch

NRA is tight with the military and law enforcement. Which is one reason I laugh when people think the military will turn on the citizenry if so directed by a tyrant.

I also laugh at the fools who think if they start a civil war, the entire military will fall in line behind them.

20 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:01:23pm

Ah, Sarah Palin, the gift that keeps on giving.

21 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:02:17pm

re: #19 Kragar (Antichrist )

I also laugh at the fools who think if they start a civil war, the entire military will fall in line behind them.

Everybody knows that soldiers are all Republicans! They’d never support a socialist Muslim Kenyan like Obama!!!111

22 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:03:58pm

My Pops fell for this one hook line and sinker. I got to enjoy a one hour ride up to our son’s basketball game listening to him convincing my mom it was true.

He read it on the internets.

23 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:04:23pm

re: #19 Kragar (Antichrist )

I also laugh at the fools who think if they start a civil war, the entire military will fall in line behind them.

exactly.

24 Stanley Sea  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:04:25pm

Seriously, I just deleted what I typed.

Sorry not to contribute, but you and I are better that way.

25 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:05:11pm

re: #19 Kragar (Antichrist )

I also laugh at the fools who think if they start a civil war, the entire military will fall in line behind them.

At some point, we should point out that there are a lot of blah soldiers.

Shit, I bet Patton’s 3rd army black tankers from 1944 could put down any stupid white supremacist uprising.

Image: 5599251405_43eb1b1fe5_z.jpg

26 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:07:10pm

they wouldn’t stand a chance against obama’s elite muslim crescent guard

27 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:09:22pm

re: #19 Kragar (Antichrist )

I also laugh at the fools who think if they start a civil war, the entire military will fall in line behind them.

These nutters never stop and consider that the troops didn’t turn on the government during Clinton’s tenure, despite Waco and Ruby Ridge. That when you declare war upon the duly elected government of the United States, you trip that part of their oath about “all enemies, foreign and domestic.”

28 Tigger2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:12:40pm

So the halfwit half term Governor is trying to spread bull and fear-monger again, I surprised.

29 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:12:57pm
30 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:13:49pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

Ah, Sarah Palin, the gift that keeps on giving.

Like herpes.

31 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:15:17pm

re: #25 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

That dude killed Nazis and looked sharp doing it. That’s a damn dapper mustache to have while on the front lines.

32 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:15:22pm

A government of the people, by the people, for the people —Which we are supossed to hate and distrust. I guess because we all some some twisted freudian thing about not liking ourselves or other people.

??

33 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:16:00pm

She clearly gets her news from WND and the like. This was big there last year.

34 Stanley Sea  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:16:57pm
35 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:17:44pm

Wisconsin state hockey’s streamin’ on the tubes. Have a good night all.

36 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:17:59pm
37 Stanley Sea  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:18:42pm

re: #25 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

At some point, we should point out that there are a lot of blah soldiers.

Shit, I bet Patton’s 3rd army black tankers from 1943 could put down any stupid white supremacist uprising.

Image: 5599251405_43eb1b1fe5_z.jpg

Deserves a repost.

38 Stanley Sea  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:19:13pm

re: #33 Achilles Tang

She clearly gets her news from WND and the like. This was big there last year.

Mark Levin is her new bestie.

39 Tigger2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:20:11pm

re: #36 FemNaziBitch

44 seconds of purrrrre cuteness.

Cute

40 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:20:33pm

re: #31 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

That dude killed Nazis and looked sharp doing it. That’s a damn dapper mustache to have while on the front lines.

Some Photoshop by a guy named Funkwood.

41 klys  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:22:32pm

Some people are hella more talented than me.

42 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:22:58pm

Wait, does that mean Hannity’ll give Obama credit for cutting the budget and reducing spending if that happens?

Or, is Hannity going to simply advance attacks in a different direction, like say when the economy is still puttering along and is sluggish because the spending by the government got slashed and that unemployment continues to be a problem. And, that the GOP takes the credit for the sequestration because they held the line against taxes being raised to offset some of these cuts even as they were saying this would be bad in public (and smirking in private that this is precisely what they’ve wanted all along).

Yeah, I’m betting on the latter.

43 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:25:26pm

re: #40 Gus

Some Photoshop by a guy named Funkwood.

He just colorized it.

[Link: www.archives.gov…]

Image: ww2-af-am-tank-gunner-m.jpg

44 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:27:53pm

bbl

45 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:28:34pm

Will doomsday sequester predictions ruin Obama’s credibility?

or, “will something magic happen to destroy progressivism and stop me from looking like an ignorant fool?”

46 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:29:48pm

re: #42 lawhawk

Nope, Hannity is arguing that because America didn’t collapse into riots at the stroke of midnight then Obama must have been wrong.

47 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:29:51pm

re: #43 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

He just colorized it.

[Link: www.archives.gov…]

Image: ww2-af-am-tank-gunner-m.jpg

Oh. I was talking about the Black Russian PS.

48 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:29:51pm

Night falls, Frogs are fucking.

49 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:30:19pm

re: #47 Gus

Oh. I was talking about the Black Russian PS.

Ah, sorry.

50 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:31:06pm

re: #42 lawhawk

Wait, does that mean Hannity’ll give Obama credit for cutting the budget and reducing spending if that happens?

Or, is Hannity going to simply advance attacks in a different direction, like say when the economy is still puttering along and is sluggish because the spending by the government got slashed and that unemployment continues to be a problem. And, that the GOP takes the credit for the sequestration because they held the line against taxes being raised to offset some of these cuts even as they were saying this would be bad in public (and smirking in private that this is precisely what they’ve wanted all along).

Yeah, I’m betting on the latter.

Hell, even today Obama pointed out that the apocalypse was not upon us, but that the cuts were going to do damage to the country and to the economy. But the GOP seem to think that it’s a safe bet that if things don’t get very bad, very fast, they can get people to agree that the sequester wasn’t “that bad” and sell them on further budgetary cuts.

51 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:34:59pm
If we are going to wet our proverbial pants over 0.3% in annual spending cuts when we’re running up trillion dollar annual deficits, then we’re done. Put a fork in us. We’re finished. We’re going to default eventually and that’s why the feds are stockpiling bullets in case of civil unrest.

This gets to CPAC but Chris Christie doesn’t?

52 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:36:30pm

Wow, it’s pretty striking that all she has is Facebook, now. It seems pretty lame.

53 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:36:51pm

Evening Lizardim.

54 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:38:30pm

re: #51 BongCrodny

This gets to CPAC but Chris Christie doesn’t?

The head of CPAC was on Morning Joe today and had the balls to claim that the refusal to invite Christie was because of his choice words for the GOP leadership after they dropped a vote on Hurricane Sandy benefits.

55 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:39:07pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Night falls, Frogs are fucking.

Fucking frogs! Must be Springtime!

56 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:41:46pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

The head of CPAC was on Morning Joe today and had the balls to claim that the refusal to invite Christie was because of his choice words for the GOP leadership after they dropped a vote on Hurricane Sandy benefits.

Well, we can’t have any criticism of the party line. Even if it is f—-ing retarded.

57 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:42:28pm

re: #55 Dancing along the light of day

Fucking frogs! Must be Springtime!

It’s getting close. I just went out to check on them and I have to stand corrected. No fucking yet but they’re talking about it.

58 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:43:59pm

re: #56 thedopefishlives

Well, we can’t have any criticism of the party line. Even if it is f—-ing retarded.

That’s just it, the other day they claimed he wasn’t invited because he wasn’t sufficiently conservative, i.e. he’d sought and accepted federal funds after Sandy. Now they’re saying that it was because he read Boehner and House Republicans the Riot Act in response to Sandy relief being dropped. Perhaps by the time CPAC starts, they’ll finally come clean and just say they’re still nursing a grudge over his not telling Obama off and nuzzling up to Romney, which they think is what lost them the election.

59 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:48:47pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

That’s just it, the other day they claimed he wasn’t invited because he wasn’t sufficiently conservative, i.e. he’d sought and accepted federal funds after Sandy. Now they’re saying that it was because he read Boehner and House Republicans the Riot Act in response to Sandy relief being dropped. Perhaps by the time CPAC starts, they’ll finally come clean and just say they’re still nursing a grudge over his not telling Obama off and nuzzling up to Romney, which they think is what lost them the election.

It can be both. He’s not conservative enough because he took the money, and then he proved it by lambasting his own party over their dumbassery. In the end, though, it boils down to one thing and one thing only: He is not a True Conservative (tm). Therefore, he’s out.

60 Stanley Sea  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:49:09pm

re: #52 prairiefire

Wow, it’s pretty striking that all she has is Facebook, now. It seems pretty lame.

‘Tis

61 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:53:45pm

Oh jeez. Dawkins.

62 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:55:54pm

re: #61 Gus

Oh jeez. Dawkins.

What now?

63 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:00:20pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

What now?

He’s on a rant about Muslim extremism in the UK. That is citing polls that show Muslims in the UK not accepting homosexual acts… 100%. Which would mean no LGBT UK Muslims.

64 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:01:54pm

Couple of others too.

65 klys  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:02:59pm

re: #63 Gus

I know being atheist and being an asshole are not linked. He just happens to be both, sometimes, especially when you catch one of his blind spots.

I can somewhat understand how that happens, but that doesn’t mean it should be tolerated.

66 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:04:31pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Night falls, Frogs are fucking.

Night falls for the Frogs
Croaking, fucking out the night
While Kilgore listens.

67 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:09:51pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

It’s getting close. I just went out to check on them and I have to stand corrected. No fucking yet but they’re talking about hoping for it.

FTFY!

68 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:10:56pm

re: #66 Kragar (Antichrist )

Giggles, and Kragar oh, I better not say that!

69 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:13:55pm

re: #65 klys

I know being atheist and being an asshole are not linked. He just happens to be both, sometimes, especially when you catch one of his blind spots.

I can somewhat understand how that happens, but that doesn’t mean it should be tolerated.

Muslims, Muslims, Muslims, Muslims. Ever since 9/11. 12 freaking long years of this crap.

70 klys  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:16:29pm

re: #69 Gus

I get the feeling that you and I don’t always see eye to eye on things, but I do appreciate your unwillingness to put up with shit on either side. You go at it evenly, which I can respect even if I sometimes disagree.

Just thought I should balance out my troll-poking for the day. ;)

71 Stanley Sea  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:16:30pm

Anyone remember Jim Rome’s spotrs haiku’s? Hilarious.

72 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:22:50pm

re: #70 klys

I get the feeling that you and I don’t always see eye to eye on things, but I do appreciate your unwillingness to put up with shit on either side. You go at it evenly, which I can respect even if I sometimes disagree.

Just thought I should balance out my troll-poking for the day. ;)

Thanks. Dawkins is just infuriating. I like, I think there is room for valid criticism of Islam and Christianity. But how can we expect to coexist if we’re painting a certain group (in the case Islam) as being made up of primarily extremists. That is the case he’s making. So I’m asking myself, “OK, now what?”

73 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:25:04pm

re: #72 Gus

Thanks. Dawkins is just infuriating. I like, I think there is room for valid criticism of Islam and Christianity. But how can we expect to coexist if we’re painting a certain group (in the case Islam) as being made up of primarily extremists. That is the case he’s making. So I’m asking myself, “OK, now what?”

Well, at least they aren’t wingnuts. Regarding the poll: The sample size was admittedly small but…

The survey was formally launched in London today by Dalia Mogahed, who was recently appointed to US president Barack Obama’s advisory council on faith-based and neighbourhood partnerships and is executive director of the Gallup Centre for Muslim Studies.

74 klys  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:25:43pm

re: #72 Gus

Thanks. Dawkins is just infuriating. I like, I think there is room for valid criticism of Islam and Christianity. But how can we expect to coexist if we’re painting a certain group (in the case Islam) as being made up of primarily extremists. That is the case he’s making. So I’m asking myself, “OK, now what?”

Agreed.

I don’t think he does himself any favors by painting any group as black and white. Life is full of nuance and shades of gray and refusing to acknowledge that is …shortsighted, in my opinion.

75 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:27:10pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Hell, even today Obama pointed out that the apocalypse was not upon us, but that the cuts were going to do damage to the country and to the economy. But the GOP seem to think that it’s a safe bet that if things don’t get very bad, very fast, they can get people to agree that the sequester wasn’t “that bad” and sell them on further budgetary cuts.

Of course he did. It’s true. But the affect will be cumulative over time. I refer to a Nobel prize winning economist:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Great read.

76 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:28:30pm

re: #72 Gus

Also, it is a tick more complicated than that:

During the Ottoman Empire, homosexuality was decriminalized in 1858, as part of a wider reforms during the Tanzimat.

Ottoman Empire had another name. One Conservatives go Ape-Shit over:

The Ottoman Caliphate

Again, I make the supposition that, if Murad V had stayed in power, the Ottoman Empire would still be here today, and the world would be a better place for it.

I imagine the Holocaust would have been much smaller, if there at all.

77 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:30:24pm

I’m not surprised by a large number of Muslims thinking that homosexuality is morally wrong. I’m not surprised by a large number of Mormons thinking it is, either, or Catholics. The 100% figure is obviously literally incorrect, but the number is probably pretty high— there aren’t many branches of Abrahamic religion that are very pro-gay.

78 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:32:28pm

re: #77 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m not surprised by a large number of Muslims thinking that homosexuality is morally wrong. I’m not surprised by a large number of Mormons thinking it is, either, or Catholics. The 100% figure is obviously literally incorrect, but the number is probably pretty high— there aren’t many branches of Abrahamic religion that are very pro-gay.

Jews don’t mind homosexuality much. Unitarians don’t seem bothered either. That’s pretty much it for the short list.

79 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:32:30pm

re: #72 Gus

Thanks. Dawkins is just infuriating. I like, I think there is room for valid criticism of Islam and Christianity. But how can we expect to coexist if we’re painting a certain group (in the case Islam) as being made up of primarily extremists. That is the case he’s making. So I’m asking myself, “OK, now what?”

The nut jobs in this country would say the choices are:

1) Kill them all; or

2) Surrender to Sharia law.

These people are often referred to as “stupid motherfuckers”. With good cause.

80 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:34:01pm
81 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:36:59pm

re: #77 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m not surprised by a large number of Muslims thinking that homosexuality is morally wrong. I’m not surprised by a large number of Mormons thinking it is, either, or Catholics. The 100% figure is obviously literally incorrect, but the number is probably pretty high— there aren’t many branches of Abrahamic religion that are very pro-gay.

I was thinking recently. About progress and coexistence. Racism. The march to Selma happened within my lifetime. The Civil Rights Act, Stonewall. Within my lifetime. During my parents lifetime there was the Holocaust and the savagery of WWII. Slavery finally ended during the later half of the 19th century. A stone’s throw away from us.

82 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:37:25pm

re: #76 ProBosniaLiberal

Would be an interesting experiment to have an alternate history where that scum Abdulhamid II didn’t seize power and Murad V held on be written.

Certainly, by the 30’s and 40’s, the Ottomans would have had a renaissance, what, with sitting on about 600 billion barrels of oil.

The question then would have come up, what would happen in Mainland Europe as this was going on?

83 Stanley Sea  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:37:29pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

The Return of the Breitbart.

LOL!

Your original Breitbart Big Head made me lose it in the office today! Gracias.

84 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:38:26pm

re: #81 Gus

I was thinking recently. About progress and coexistence. Racism. The march to Selma happened within my lifetime. The Civil Rights Act, Stonewall. Within my lifetime. During my parents lifetime there was the Holocaust and the savagery of WWII. Slavery finally ended during the later half of the 19th century. A stone’s throw away from us.

It’s crazy to me to think that I saw the fall of the Berlin Wall on television. Now, I don’t really remember that much of it, and I certainly didn’t realize how important it was, but that was a mind-boggling shift in history.

85 jhncsy  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:39:51pm

Hasn’t the NRA been fear mongering themselves lately? Not about how the government will kill you, but they do go on about how you need a gun to protect yourself when the government fails to act. And they also associate with the right wing noise machine, who do like to lie about how Obama’s government is planning to kill us all- unless we own a gun.

But then again, the NRA exists now to help the gun industry turn a profit, and their owners probably don’t appreciate the NRA slandering a valued customer.

86 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:40:53pm

re: #77 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m not surprised by a large number of Muslims thinking that homosexuality is morally wrong. I’m not surprised by a large number of Mormons thinking it is, either, or Catholics. The 100% figure is obviously literally incorrect, but the number is probably pretty high— there aren’t many branches of Abrahamic religion that are very pro-gay.

NPR had a story this morning on the attitude of the 18-24 demographic on the issue of gay marriage. They found that, across the board in the US, regardless of race or religion, college students and young college graduates are fully supportive of these rights by a huge majority. It was also noted that 75 heavy-hitting Republicans posted a letter supporting the concept that equal protection under the law means exactly that.

Gasp! I’m verklempt.

87 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:40:58pm

re: #75 austin_blue

Of course he did. It’s true. But the affect will be cumulative over time. I refer to a Nobel prize winning economist:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Great read.

Thing is that, like I said, the GOP is hoping to capitalize on this by arguing that the cuts aren’t “that bad” and that the fact that the apocalypse isn’t upon us is “proof” that there’s plenty of fat in the budget to cut and that Democrats are scaring Americans out of cuts that “need” to be made. Next step, if rumors are to be believed, would be put forward a proposal as early as next week for a new continuing resolution that would continue funding at the sequester levels. The GOP’s hoping to put the Dems in the position of either accepting the cuts or precipitating a government shutdown.

88 klys  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:43:03pm

re: #84 thedopefishlives

It’s always interesting to hear what people remember.

I was 4 when the Berlin Wall came down. For me, I remember the Gulf War because my aunt served. Columbine. 9/11. Columbia. Obama’s election. Watching the Prop 8 returns roll in and feeling sick to my stomach. The tsunamis.

That’s probably a pretty decent cross section.

89 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:43:08pm

re: #77 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m not surprised by a large number of Muslims thinking that homosexuality is morally wrong. I’m not surprised by a large number of Mormons thinking it is, either, or Catholics. The 100% figure is obviously literally incorrect, but the number is probably pretty high— there aren’t many branches of Abrahamic religion that are very pro-gay.

I wouldn’t suggest this is indicative of the majority of Catholics, but my 83-year-old mom — who’s gone to Church every Sunday of her life, as far as I know — brandished a bumper sticker on her car during last year’s election season supporting Maine’s Question 1.

“Catholics for Marriage Equality. God Is Love.”

Sometimes progress is measured in baby steps, but it is progress.

90 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:44:01pm

re: #84 thedopefishlives

It’s crazy to me to think that I saw the fall of the Berlin Wall on television. Now, I don’t really remember that much of it, and I certainly didn’t realize how important it was, but that was a mind-boggling shift in history.

I remember once our house was surrounded by a bunch of crazy teenagers shouting out “sp*cs!” in the middle of the night. At the same time they were throwing pebbles on our roof. Some of them coming close to the window. We ended up calling the state police.

91 klys  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:44:55pm

re: #77 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m not surprised by a large number of Muslims thinking that homosexuality is morally wrong. I’m not surprised by a large number of Mormons thinking it is, either, or Catholics. The 100% figure is obviously literally incorrect, but the number is probably pretty high— there aren’t many branches of Abrahamic religion that are very pro-gay.

I am curious, too, how many of them are first-generation immigrants from another country (and what country that is). And if that distribution is different for British Muslims versus German Muslims versus French Muslims, for the poll discussed here.

92 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:46:27pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Jews don’t mind homosexuality much.

Orthodox and conservative Jews mind homosexuality a lot. Reform Jews don’t. It’s an unusual progressive religion and it’s cool for all that.

There are also some LBGT-friendly Lutheran, Episcopalian, and Presbyterian churches, but compared to the number of mainstream Baptists et al. it’s minor.

I’d suspect that in the UK we’re getting the effect that the children who are turned off by the social conservatism are just outright leaving the religion rather than joining moderate groups. It’s likely that some, in time, will form more moderate Muslim groups when they find that they still feel drawn to their old religion but still can’t stomach the social conservatism. It took a hell of a lot of brave people to get reform Judaism up and running— it’s hard to deradicalize your religion when your religion is also attacked so often.

93 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:46:53pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

Thing is that, like I said, the GOP is hoping to capitalize on this by arguing that the cuts aren’t “that bad” and that the fact that the apocalypse isn’t upon us is “proof” that there’s plenty of fat in the budget to cut and that Democrats are scaring Americans out of cuts that “need” to be made. Next step, if rumors are to be believed, would be put forward a proposal as early as next week for a new continuing resolution that would continue funding at the sequester levels. The GOP’s hoping to put the Dems in the position of either accepting the cuts or precipitating a government shutdown.

Well, March 27 *is* the Day of Days for Gubmint funding. I really want to see the R’s try and pull a Gingrich. Worked a peach last time.

Oh, wait, She Who Must Be obeyed and I are flying to the Hell That Is Heathrow on the 28th…

Fuck me. So conflicted….

94 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:47:06pm

re: #84 thedopefishlives

It’s crazy to me to think that I saw the fall of the Berlin Wall on television. Now, I don’t really remember that much of it, and I certainly didn’t realize how important it was, but that was a mind-boggling shift in history.

I remember the relief of the end of the MAD threat, or at least, the apparent end of it.

95 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:47:29pm

re: #90 Gus

I remember once our house was surrounded by a bunch of crazy teenagers shouting out “sp*cs!” in the middle of the night. At the same time they were throwing pebbles on our roof. Some of them coming close to the window. We ended up calling the state police.

I guess the defining “racial” moment in my memory is the Rodney King riots. I do remember that pretty clearly. It disgusted me how people could still get so bent out of shape because someone else had different skin color. I had no idea how deep the roots of racism really ran.

96 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:47:39pm

re: #76 ProBosniaLiberal

Actually, I have a question I only just thought of.

When was Homosexuality legalized in the Netherlands? The supposed “haven of tolerance” in Europe. (Personally, that label should be going to Scandinavian States). Yes, I am still ticked about Geert Wilders, why you ask?

97 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:48:48pm

re: #93 austin_blue

Well, March 27 *is* the Day of Days for Gubmint funding. I really want to see the R’s try and pull a Gingrich. Worked a peach last time.

Oh, wait, She Who Must Be obeyed and I are flying to the Hell That Is Heathrow on the 28th…

Fuck me. So conflicted….

Hence why the rumors of a Continuing Resolution that would keep levels as they are at sequester level. The GOP wants to put Democrats in the position of either approving the CR and thus being seen as endorsing the continuation of the sequester or make them share the blame for a government shutdown.

98 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:48:50pm

Once at this place I was working in the late eighties was having lunch and suddenly he asked me. “So what are you a Puerto Rican or something?” I said, “no, I was born in Argentina.” He replied, “it doesn’t matter, a sp*c is a sp*c.” Was he trying to be edgy? In any case I just walked away. Weirdly enough most people think I look German. My brother in the 90s was called a “greasy Mexican” by a co-worker. He went to human resources. Ain’t it grand?

99 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:53:35pm

re: #98 Gus

Once at this place I was working in the late eighties was having lunch and suddenly he asked me. “So what are you a Puerto Rican or something?” I said, “no, I was born in Argentina.” He replied, “it doesn’t matter, a sp*c is a sp*c.” Was he trying to be edgy? In any case I just walked away. Weirdly enough most people think I look German. My brother in the 90s was called a “greasy Mexican” by a co-worker. He went to human resources. Ain’t it grand?

A buddy of mine in the Marines was named Martinez. Everyone messed around with him trying to speak Spanish. “Dude, I’m from Michigan. I’m about as Mexican as Taco Bell.”

100 jaunte  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:55:08pm

re: #98 Gus

My Venezuelan co-worker went from Caracas to Cleveland to finish his senior year in high school; some of his classmates there nicknamed him “jungle-boy.”
I guess they thought all of South America is jungle. He’s probably more German than I am, and looks it.

101 dragonath  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:55:15pm
102 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:59:05pm

re: #100 jaunte

My Venezuelan co-worker went from Caracas to Cleveland to finish his senior year in high school; some of his classmates there nicknamed him “jungle-boy.”
I guess they thought all of South America is jungle. He’s probably more German than I am, and looks it.

I’ve got a couple of others but I’ll save it for some other time. I have no idea if this crap is still going on but I tell you what. Things are sure much different than they were in the 60s and even the 80s. None of this would be tolerated today. “Go back to where you belong!” My mom would mumble that to herself in anguish sometimes.

103 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:00:14pm

I put a lot of that shit behind me. I learned early how to become numb. So yeah. Polling numbers from Dawkins. Whatever.

104 klys  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:02:17pm

re: #103 Gus

I put a lot of that shit behind me. I learned early how to become numb. So yeah. Polling numbers from Dawkins. Whatever.

Not that it makes much difference in the reality, but it’s bullshit that you had to and have to.

105 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:03:16pm

re: #103 Gus

I put a lot of that shit behind me. I learned early how to become numb. So yeah. Polling numbers from Dawkins. Whatever.

“No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.”

- Eleanor Roosevelt

106 dragonath  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:03:31pm

There are a ton of different ethnicities in South Ameirca. There’s a few articles about the Japanese Brazilians. A not so well known fact is that Nietzsche’s sister went Galt and started a German colony in Paraguay.

Mengele hung out there.

107 klys  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:05:10pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

“No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.”

- Eleanor Roosevelt

I have mixed feelings about that quote. I know what it’s trying to say, but half the time it ends up coming across to me like victim-blaming.

Like yes, I feel shitty about what person x said about me, and now I get to feel shitty about the fact that I feel shitty about it too.

I’d rather we, as a society, told person x that what they were doing was unacceptable and started working from that point.

108 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:07:42pm

re: #98 Gus

For some reason I have a face that just tells every white racist around me “Hey talk to me!!! I’m a secret clan member too!!”. Many of the people will say they’re not racist if pressed. But the mask drops quick. People are so fucking phony.

109 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:08:52pm

re: #96 ProBosniaLiberal

Found the answer:

Dates of Decriminalization-First 9 in Europe:

Andorra:1790
France:1791
Monaco:1793
Luxembourg:1794
Belgium:1795
Netherlands:1811
Ottoman Empire:1858 !!!!
San Marino:1864
Italy:1887 !!!!

110 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:09:15pm

re: #108 Amory Blaine

For some reason I have a face that just tells every white racist around me “Hey talk to me!!! I’m a secret clan member too!!”. Many of the people will say they’re not racist if pressed. But the mask drops quick. People are so fucking phony.

As an average looking white guy, you have no idea how often I heard some truly evil shit when I was stuck in NC by people who thought “I was cool”

111 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:09:39pm

re: #108 Amory Blaine

For some reason I have a face that just tells every white racist around me “Hey talk to me!!! I’m a secret clan member too!!”. Many of the people will say they’re not racist if pressed. But the mask drops quick. People are so fucking phony.

“I’m not racist! I have a black friend! Honest!”

112 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:11:33pm

re: #108 Amory Blaine

For some reason I have a face that just tells every white racist around me “Hey talk to me!!! I’m a secret clan member too!!”. Many of the people will say they’re not racist if pressed. But the mask drops quick. People are so fucking phony.

I remember being in this grocery store in Tijuana. Little boy picks up this American Indian doll and told his mother that he wanted the “negrito.”

113 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:15:31pm

re: #25 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

At some point, we should point out that there are a lot of blah soldiers.

Shit, I bet Patton’s 3rd army black tankers from 1944 could put down any stupid white supremacist uprising.

Image: 5599251405_43eb1b1fe5_z.jpg

I’ve got the biography of one of the officers that served in 761st Tank regiment. Good book.

There’s a small town in Georgia that came that close to a demonstration of modern armoured warfare.

114 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:16:33pm

OK. Another one. One day, in West Islip. A group of kids marched up to our house chanting, “ugga mugga meatball, MAFIA, ungie ungie ah ah ah.” Couple of days later our house was egged. Nothing else happened after that. We only lived there for a year which might account for that.

115 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:17:08pm

re: #113 Romantic Heretic

Linky?

I want to hear about the town that nearly got wasted.

Hope my little list was enlightening.

116 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:18:42pm

High Falls. Jewish classmate. None of the other kids would play with him because he was Jewish. I played with him.

117 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:18:57pm

re: #101 dragonath

That was somewhat expected, but still a fun riff on the president’s malapropism from earlier today.

118 sagehen  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:20:09pm

re: #81 Gus

I was thinking recently. About progress and coexistence. Racism. The march to Selma happened within my lifetime. The Civil Rights Act, Stonewall. Within my lifetime. During my parents lifetime there was the Holocaust and the savagery of WWII. Slavery finally ended during the later half of the 19th century. A stone’s throw away from us.

Slave children who were 10 years old at emancipation were old enough to understand what it meant, and to describe it accurately.

Some of those children were still going into public school classrooms, sharing their memories, up into the Eisenhower administration.

There are tens of thousands of Americans alive today, just nearing retirement age, who’ve met emancipated slaves in person, heard their eyewitness testimony, had the chance to ask them questions.

119 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:20:58pm

Again, point needs to be made:

The Ottoman Empire had decriminalized Homosexual Acts before we abolished Slavery.

We wouldn’t get to that point until 2003. 145 years later.

The Ottoman Empire gets a really bad rap, when it shouldn’t. Unless we are talking about the Young Turks Era at the bitter end.

Without them Protestants would be much more at the margins. Among other things.

120 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:25:13pm

re: #74 klys

Agreed.

I don’t think he does himself any favors by painting any group as black and white. Life is full of nuance and shades of gray and refusing to acknowledge that is …shortsighted, in my opinion.

But it’s easier than thinking. Which, despite the scientific name we humans have assigned ourselves, isn’t something a lot of people are fond of. Even many of the smart ones.

121 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:27:28pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

That was somewhat expected, but still a fun riff on the president’s malapropism from earlier today.

I thought the funnier one was the one the White House released shortly afterwards, both on Twitter and on his Facebook page.

122 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:27:31pm

re: #113 Romantic Heretic

I’ve got the biography of one of the officers that served in 761st Tank regiment. Good book.

There’s a small town in Georgia that came that close to a demonstration of modern armoured warfare.

Interestingly, the pictured tanks are M4s with the 76mm gun, while the 761st mostly fielded 75mm gunned tanks. Further, those pictures are of tanks with the muzzle brake on the gun. They also seem to have the uparmored turret, which would make them M4A3E8, also called ‘Easy Eights’ or ‘Cobra Kings’. The 761st did not actually use the Cobra King during Patton’s counterattack against the German forces encircling Bastogne, as only a few companies worth had reached the ETO at the time and 3rd Army has only two company sets of them.

The two companies on ‘Cobra King’ Shermans were issued to the 4th Armored Division. Then Lt. Col. Creighton Abrams commanded his battalion from one of them, leading the 4th to victory and the relief of the 101st Airborne.

123 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:29:00pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

I thought the funnier one was the one the White House released shortly afterwards, both on Twitter and on his Facebook page.

That’s one thing Obama has in common with his predecessor: When he makes a language goof he laughs at it instead of getting flustered. That’s a good thing.

124 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:30:35pm

re: #88 klys

It’s always interesting to hear what people remember.

I was 4 when the Berlin Wall came down. For me, I remember the Gulf War because my aunt served. Columbine. 9/11. Columbia. Obama’s election. Watching the Prop 8 returns roll in and feeling sick to my stomach. The tsunamis.

That’s probably a pretty decent cross section.

My earliest datable memory is probably Alan Shepard’s Mercury flight in 1961. I was three. I remember listening to the coverage on a transistor radio.

125 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:30:36pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

That’s one thing Obama has in common with his predecessor: When he makes a language goof he laughs at it instead of getting flustered. That’s a good thing.

I’ve always found that presidents who can laugh at themselves are generally ones that have the easiest time connecting with the public. Which seems to be something that has failed to take root in some recent presidential candidates.

126 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:33:48pm

re: #101 dragonath

This is assuming the people who are the biggest part of the problem have minds to meld with. Which, in my opinion, an assumption likely to be wrong.

127 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:34:16pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

I’ve always found that presidents who can laugh at themselves are generally ones that have the easiest time connecting with the public. Which seems to be something that has failed to take root in some recent presidential candidates.

Though those candidates didn’t win the election.

129 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:35:50pm

Earliest memory of a major historical event? Probably the news footage of Baghdad at night during the First Gulf War, the skies lit up with AA tracers as they tried to shoot down the F-117s that they couldn’t even see, much less hope to intercept.

130 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:37:23pm

What the heck is this, the Friday Night Troll-a-thon? o_O

131 freetoken  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:38:11pm

re: #129 Targetpractice

Earliest memory of a major historical event?

They were called “the Huns”….

132 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:39:31pm

re: #130 Interesting Times

What the heck is this, the Friday Night Troll-a-thon? o_O

Answered. :D

133 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:44:07pm

re: #115 ProBosniaLiberal

Linky?

I want to hear about the town that nearly got wasted.

Hope my little list was enlightening.

You’ll have to get the book I’m afraid. I just checked my library and recalled my copy was one of many books destroyed by a flooding basement when I lived in a group home.

But it was pretty much you would figure. A bunch of small town Southern crackers trying to treat soldiers like they were ‘n-words.’ Said soldiers went back to camp, mounted up and were ready to roll when their officers managed to talk them out of it.

134 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:44:14pm

re: #130 Interesting Times

What the heck is this, the Friday Night Troll-a-thon? o_O

Did somebody forget to bait the traps again?

135 Lidane  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:47:07pm

Dear John McCain,

Fuck you for foisting this woman on the rest of us.

No love,
Me

P.S. — An additional fuck you to anyone who thinks this woman is fit for anything other than ruthless mockery.

136 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:47:10pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

Did somebody forget to bait the traps again?

Just a relatively minor non sequitur. Better dealt with mildly.

137 freetoken  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:50:02pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

Did somebody forget to bait the traps again?

Weren’t the “traps” banned by some UN declaration or something?

138 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:51:33pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

Just a relatively minor non sequitur. Better dealt with mildly.

Coming on the heels of what happened on this Page, I have my doubts. Especially since it’s happening on another page by FNB/ggt. She must have been linked to on some wingnut bat-signal blog.

139 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:51:56pm
140 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:52:53pm


141 freetoken  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:53:21pm

In case anyone missed it, yesterday a paper was published on human ancestry that raised a few eyebrows:

An African American Paternal Lineage Adds an Extremely Ancient Root to the Human Y Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree

We report the discovery of an African American Y chromosome that carries the ancestral state of all SNPs that defined the basal portion of the Y chromosome phylogenetic tree. We sequenced ∼240 kb of this chromosome to identify private, derived mutations on this lineage, which we named A00. We then estimated the time to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) for the Y tree as 338 thousand years ago (kya) (95% confidence interval = 237–581 kya). Remarkably, this exceeds current estimates of the mtDNA TMRCA, as well as those of the age of the oldest anatomically modern human fossils. The extremely ancient age combined with the rarity of the A00 lineage, which we also find at very low frequency in central Africa, point to the importance of considering more complex models for the origin of Y chromosome diversity. These models include ancient population structure and the possibility of archaic introgression of Y chromosomes into anatomically modern humans. The A00 lineage was discovered in a large database of consumer samples of African Americans and has not been identified in traditional hunter-gatherer populations from sub-Saharan Africa. This underscores how the stochastic nature of the genealogical process can affect inference from a single locus and warrants caution during the interpretation of the geographic location of divergent branches of the Y chromosome phylogenetic tree for the elucidation of human origins.

142 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:54:49pm

re: #25 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

At some point, we should point out that there are a lot of blah soldiers.

Shit, I bet Patton’s 3rd army black tankers from 1944 could put down any stupid white supremacist uprising.

Image: 5599251405_43eb1b1fe5_z.jpg

I bet he had a straight razor in his pocket.

143 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:56:40pm

re: #138 Interesting Times

Coming on the heels of what happened on this Page, I have my doubts. Especially since it’s happening on another page by FNB/ggt. She must have been linked to on some wingnut bat-signal blog.

Different posters on different threads, though. ‘Mr. Wonderful’ hasn’t pissed on the thread yet, and ‘Doggie’ clearly has.

144 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:58:08pm

re: #142 prairiefire

I bet he had a straight razor in his pocket.

No, tankers kept those in a kit stowed in or on the tank with the rest of their gear. ;)

145 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:59:58pm

re: #138 Interesting Times

Coming on the heels of what happened on this Page, I have my doubts. Especially since it’s happening on another page by FNB/ggt. She must have been linked to on some wingnut bat-signal blog.

He’s still at it???
Heh!

146 klys  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:00:00pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Different posters on different threads, though. ‘Mr. Wonderful’ hasn’t pissed on the thread yet, and ‘Doggie’ clearly has.

‘Doggie’ has linked it in several places, per both a link in that thread and some now deleted comments.

‘Doggie’, btw, is trolling and has admitted it on external forums. I wouldn’t bother trying to defend him, Dark.

147 HoosierHoops  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:00:23pm

Bill Oreilly is on Leno now. Man Fox has intruded on my Favorite late night show again..Crap..

148 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:04:39pm

re: #146 klys

‘Doggie’ has linked it in several places, per both a link in that thread and some now deleted comments.

‘Doggie’, btw, is trolling and has admitted it on external forums. I wouldn’t bother trying to defend him, Dark.

To be clear, I haven’t defended him. I said that he had ‘pissed on the thread’ as part of making the point that another poster on another thread had not done so. That isn’t a defense of that goofball, its a denigration of him.

149 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:04:49pm
150 klys  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:07:28pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Totally fair, I am just attempting to give you some context that you may have missed, as the original discussion was that the influx of new accounts (and Mr. Wonderful is brand-spanking new, second today that I have seen posting in Fem’s pages) was probably related to him.

151 labman57  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:11:31pm

This is what happens when you get your banal talking points from the online rumor mill known as the right wing blogosphere.

152 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:12:42pm

re: #130 Interesting Times

What the heck is this, the Friday Night Troll-a-thon? o_O

The troll infestation on weekends is getting really bad. Between them and the regular turd-dropping attention whores, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to enjoy threads, especially in the Pages. *sigh*

153 jaunte  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:12:44pm

re: #147 HoosierHoops

O’Reilly is blaming Chris Christie for Obama’s reelection.

154 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:13:01pm

re: #149 Varek Raith

Image: seqdaycounting1.jpg
Says it all.

Not surprising. Media’s gotta keep the “both sides are to blame” meme going.

155 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:13:12pm
156 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:15:06pm

re: #153 jaunte

O’Reilly is blaming Chris Christie for Obama’s reelection.

I still remember the wingnuts calling on Christie to “tough it out” until January, so that Romney could get credit for signing an aid bill. Thing is, in retrospect, it might have saved them in his eyes but would have pretty much killed any chance he had of ever progressing beyond the governor’s mansion. Hell, it probably would have be a wooden stake through his chances of reelection.

157 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:15:20pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

The troll infestation on weekends is getting really bad. Between them and the regular turd-dropping attention whores, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to enjoy threads, especially in the Pages. *sigh*

Now taking out the trash.

158 klys  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:16:35pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

The troll infestation on weekends is getting really bad. Between them and the regular turd-dropping attention whores, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to enjoy threads, especially in the Pages. *sigh*

I know I have bypassed a few pages because of the parties participating there. :( I like the overall community though, which is why I keep coming back.

I try to either disengage or mock the troll once I realize they are not legit-interested in a discussion, in the vague hope of irritating them to the point of leaving. Sometimes the snark just slips out.

159 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:16:43pm
160 jaunte  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:17:05pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

Another instance of their “wreck the country if it will hurt the president” tactics.

161 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:17:28pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

Now taking out the trash.

Some nutty shit there.

162 klys  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:19:02pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

Now taking out the trash.

The shit you put up with sometimes is unreal. Thanks for keeping this open anyway (and cleaned up) for those of us who do appreciate it.

163 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:20:18pm

re: #158 klys

I know I have bypassed a few pages because of the parties participating there. :( I like the overall community though, which is why I keep coming back.

I try to either disengage or mock the troll once I realize they are not legit-interested in a discussion, in the vague hope of irritating them to the point of leaving. Sometimes the snark just slips out.

Same here, sometimes I just get exhausted with it all though. Like, “Screw it, I’ll just go watch some vids on YouTube or create a new page in my art journal or whatever.” I’m approaching my 3-year anniversary here, so maybe it’s just burn out. I don’t know how Charles manages to deal with it after so many years.

164 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:20:20pm

re: #160 jaunte

Another instance of their “wreck the country if it will hurt the president” tactics.

Which only works in their minds because they think the majority of Americans hate the man, but for one reason or another won’t say it out loud. They don’t stop and think that if Christie had actually gone on national TV and told Obama not to send aid or to come to NJ because the people of his state didn’t want either, there would have been an angry mob with torches and pitchforks on the front doorstep of the governor’s mansion by nightfall.

Christie is the one thing that all successful presidents tend to be: pragmatic. He may piss off his party’s base by being seen working together with Obama to fix his state in the aftermath of a natural disaster, but the alternative was to destroy his political career with no guarantee that doing so would help Romney’s campaign in any way.

165 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:21:23pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

Now taking out the trash.

‘Doggie’ just got put to sleep. I’ll put his carcass on ice, and we’ll have him and the other troll for dinner tomorrow night.

166 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:25:29pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Different posters on different threads, though. ‘Mr. Wonderful’ hasn’t pissed on the thread yet

And Mr Wonderful’s answer to you on that last point was “Challenge Accepted!”

167 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:25:41pm

re: #147 HoosierHoops

Bill Oreilly is on Leno now. Man Fox has intruded on my Favorite late night show again..Crap..

Hi You!

168 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:28:41pm
169 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:28:59pm

Personally at this stage, were I Christie, I might just go ahead and focus on reelection over any presidential ambitions. Perhaps even consider a Congressional race between now and 2020. Because 2016 is shaping up to be the Last Charge of the Derp Brigade and getting caught up in that would be a career killer. Don’t think so? Ask John Huntman, he’s still trying to find where he buried his dignity.

171 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:30:51pm

re: #166 Interesting Times

And Mr Wonderful’s answer to you on that last point was “Challenge Accepted!”

He DERPed, and then he got the gate. I only posted as I did as I felt at the time I put that up that ‘Mr. Wonderful’ had yet to do anything as bad as what ‘Doggie’ had already done.

172 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:34:50pm

Hateful troll antidote:

173 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:35:49pm

re: #172 CuriousLurker

Hateful troll antidote:

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Yep.

174 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:38:24pm

re: #172 CuriousLurker

Hateful troll antidote:

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175 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:40:27pm

Charles Johnson,

If the government has really been stockpiling guns to use them against innocent American citizens and Obama is really as evil as the far right has made him out to be, why doesn’t he use the guns on her and off her for exposing his evil scheme?

176 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:41:12pm

On the sequester front, it seems that talk about the Continuing Resolution I was having earlier is already shaping up into the battle plan for both sides. Obama said today if Congress passes such a CR with the sequester level cuts baked in, he’ll be obligated to sign it. Pelosi has since come behind him to say that if the GOP tries to do so, it’ll be without a single Democrat voting for such a bill in the House. Both sides seem to be playing the long game, with the GOP betting the farm on the cuts being so minor that the public assumes they were lied to about the “disaster” coming and will turn on Obama, while Dems are looking for the GOP to turn against itself, with defense hawks and deficit hawks having it out with each other while others get antsy over calls from constituents about jobs lost and programs going without funds due to the sequester.

177 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:42:04pm

re: #172 CuriousLurker

I love that song!

178 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:42:12pm
179 AlexRogan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:43:59pm

re: #161 Gus

Some nutty shit there.

With a heaping of corn.

///

180 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:45:00pm

Another thing to note is that the Chicago Blackhawks made blackjack tonight by overcoming a spirited psu h by the underdog Columbus Blue Jackets. The Blue Jackets but up 3 goals and a hard fight, but Brent Seabrook’s overtime goal gave Chicago its twenty-first game in a row with a point scored.

And with that, I must go to bed. Sleep well, all.

181 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:51:45pm

re: #174 Gus

Yet again I’m amazed at the human capacity for extremes. Some seem to exist and thrive on creating strife & ugliness, while others spend their lives creating beauty. It boggles the mind.

Lyrics…

182 Lidane  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:59:14pm

Circular firing squad, part eleventy bazillion:

Club For Growth’s ‘PrimaryMyCongressman.com’ Escalates GOP Civil War

Conservative advocacy group Club For Growth shows no signs of slowing down its efforts to purge the GOP of alleged moderates, launching a new campaign targeting Republican members of the 113th Congress.

The group’s new site, PrimaryMyCongressman.com, is designed “to raise awareness of Republicans In Name Only (RINOs) who are currently serving in safe Republican seats,” according to a press release announcing its debut this week.

The first round of targets are Reps. Mike Simpson (R-ID), Adam Kinzinger (R-IL), Rick Crawford (R-AR), Frank Lucas (R-OK), Steve Palazzo (R-MS), Martha Roby (R-AL), Larry Buchson (R-IN), Renee Ellmers, (R-NC), and Aaron Schock (R-IL).

“Big government liberals inhabit the Democratic Party, but they are far too common within the Republican Party as well,” Chris Chocola, president of Club For Growth, said in a statement on Wednesday. “The Republicans helped pass billions of dollars in tax increases and they have repeatedly voted against efforts by fiscal conservatives to limit government. PrimaryMyCongressman.com will serve as a tool to hold opponents of economic freedom and limited government accountable for their actions.”

183 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:02:04pm

re: #182 Lidane

Circular firing squad, part eleventy bazillion:

Club For Growth’s ‘PrimaryMyCongressman.com’ Escalates GOP Civil War

Ready, Fire, Aim!

184 erik_t  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:14:21pm

re: #25 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

At some point, we should point out that there are a lot of blah soldiers.

Shit, I bet Patton’s 3rd army black tankers from 1944 could put down any stupid white supremacist uprising.

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I have to shameless requote this post. That magnificent nameless sonofabitch wasn’t even treated like an equal by his home country but he went and blew up the bastards who were actually legitimately bad and evil and whatnot.

And today various evangelical Christians are persecuted because whatever war-on-Christmas and so the government it out to get them.

Honey, please.

185 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:18:49pm

Have a good night., everyone. ;)

Some of you young folks been saying to me, “Hey Pops, what you mean ‘What a wonderful world’? How about all them wars all over the place? You call them wonderful? And how about hunger and pollution? That ain’t so wonderful either.”

Well how about listening to old Pops for a minute? Seems to me, it ain’t the world that’s so bad, but what we’re doin’ to it. And all I’m saying is, see what a wonderful world it would be if only we’d give it a chance. Love baby, love. That’s the secret, yeah. If lots more of us loved each other, we’d solve lots more problems. And then this world would be a gasser.

That’s what ol’ Pops keeps saying.

—Louis Armstrong

I see trees of green, red roses too
I see them bloom, for me and you
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

I see skies of blue, and clouds of white
The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

The colors of the rainbow, so pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces, of people going by
I see friends shakin’ hands, sayin’, “How do you do?”
They’re really saying, “I love you”

I hear babies cryin’, I watch them grow
They’ll learn much more, than I’ll ever know
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

Yes, I think to myself
What a wonderful world
Oh yeah!

186 erik_t  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:36:44pm

re: #183 Targetpractice

Ready, Fire, Aim!

Lrrr: Increase speed, drop down and reverse direction!

187 Lidane  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:48:42pm

So this happened earlier—

Boss: Hey, I know it’s late on Friday and you’re trying to leave for the weekend, but could you write a detailed summary of the meeting we had yesterday for everyone in your daily report?

Me: Uh, ok. No problem.

Boss: BTW, since you’re becoming an expert at writing proposals for large corporate clients, how about one more? Oh and you have a conference call with them on Tuesday and this giant stack of paperwork is due by next Friday.

Me: Wait, what?

Boss: Oh, and did I forget to mention I’m out of town all of next week? Have fun!

Me: OMGWTFBBQ. *headdesk*

It’s going to be an interesting weekend.

188 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 11:44:18pm

re: #185 CuriousLurker

A true American progressive.

189 freetoken  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:18:10am
190 freetoken  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:49:01am
191 EdDantes  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:18:41am

That is what the “zombie apocalypse” is about: inuring police to shooting citizens who disagree with the government.

192 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:24:31am

re: #191 EdDantes

That is what the “zombie apocalypse” is about: inuring police to shooting citizens who disagree with the government.

And just like the Zombie Apocalypse, its a complete work of fiction

193 EdDantes  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:45:50am

re: #192 Kragar (Antichrist )

ABC takes it seriously.

[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

194 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:47:20am

Remember, these people werve a Higher Truth: the Truth that America has been taken over by a tyrannical usurper who is plotting the overthrow of America.

Any information that advances and promotes the spread of this “Higher Truth” is not only permitted, it is part of the game plan if it fits the Higher Truth of saving America from the Islamist-secularist-humanist-LGBT cabal that threatens our World Dominance.

195 EdDantes  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:51:37am

re: #192 Kragar (Antichrist )

And just like the Zombie Apocalypse, its a complete work of fiction

Explain this!

196 EdDantes  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:02:21am

I’m outta here.

197 Why I Never!  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:03:51am

In that picture, Palin’s head looks like it’s about to spin on her neck.

198 Why I Never!  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:04:18am

re: #196 EdDantes

I’m outta here.

Where are you going? I just got here. :(

199 EdDantes  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:08:30am

re: #198 Why I Never!

Where are you going? I just got here. :(

For you, I will return.

200 EdDantes  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:17:38am

re: #198 Why I Never!

Are you based in Scotland?

201 EdDantes  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:22:06am

re: #198 Why I Never!

Goodnight Ice,
Bat says hello.

202 Aligarr  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:23:35am

Like sharks sense blood from miles away , Sarah senses stupidity,gullability and opportunity in this bullshit story .No coincidence , it’s CPAC time .

203 Why I Never!  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:43:21am

re: #201 EdDantes

Goodnight Ice,
Bat says hello.

Bat!!!!
Sorry I missed you, my computer crashed. I hope you’re doing well and that we catch up soon!

204 freetoken  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:44:27am

And now, for something special. The very beautiful “La Nuit”, Saint-Saens’ opus 114:

205 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 4:48:22am

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

Another thing to note is that the Chicago Blackhawks made blackjack tonight by overcoming a spirited push by the underdog Columbus Blue Jackets. The Blue Jackets but up 3 goals and a hard fight, but Brent Seabrook’s overtime goal gave Chicago its twenty-first game in a row with a point scored.

And with that, I must go to bed. Sleep well, all.

PIMF.

206 William of Orange  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 5:42:34am

Johnny Marr on stage during the NME awards, joined by Rolling Stone Ron Wood, playing a song with arguably one of the best recognizable guitar riffs.

Live: “How soon is now”.

207 Bulworth  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 6:11:28am

I think this is kind of an old rumor Sarah is talking about. She must be behind on her chain-emails.

208 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 6:17:25am

It’s morning. The birds are singing and I have coffee.

I hate birds

you?

209 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 6:26:47am

re: #206 William of Orange

Johnny Marr on stage during the NME awards, joined by Rolling Stone Ron Wood, playing a song with arguably one of the best recognizable guitar riffs.

Live: “How soon is now”.

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Speaking of the Rolling Stones, they are going to be in Jerusalem in April…

Rolling Stones Add Second Jerusalem Concert in Response to BDS Pressure

210 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 6:27:54am

re: #206 William of Orange

Johnny Marr on stage during the NME awards, joined by Rolling Stone Ron Wood, playing a song with arguably one of the best recognizable guitar riffs.

Live: “How soon is now”.

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before he was a Stone, he was a Small Face, which doesn’t sound nearly as cool…

211 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 6:46:42am

re: #209 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking of the Rolling Stones, they are going to be in Jerusalem in April…

Rolling Stones Add Second Jerusalem Concert in Response to BDS Pressure

Looking at Wiki… Paula Ben-Gurion

1968 – 1892

Notice something?

212 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 6:49:07am
213 darthstar  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 6:49:41am

Wow…first Mitt Romney makes a public appearance (albeit under the protective gaze of his bitter, bitter wife), and now Sarah Palin rears her Putinesque head over the horizon…it’s a good morning indeed!

214 darthstar  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 6:50:39am

re: #212 Gus

Tell it to Lindsey Graham.

215 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 6:51:18am

re: #213 darthstar

Wow…first Mitt Romney makes a public appearance (albeit under the protective gaze of his bitter, bitter wife), and now Sarah Palin rears her Putinesque head over the horizon…it’s a good morning indeed!

His wife is bitter?

216 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 6:56:28am

re: #211 Gus

Looking at Wiki… Paula Ben-Gurion

1968 - 1892

Notice something?

Yoga? Leslie Moonves?

217 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 6:59:30am

re: #216 wrenchwench

Yoga? Leslie Moonves?

Time machine life span. :O

218 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:02:02am

re: #209 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking of the Rolling Stones, they are going to be in Jerusalem in April…

Rolling Stones Add Second Jerusalem Concert in Response to BDS Pressure

The BDS people should have known better: Their attempt to stir up controversy and protest was never going to faze the Rolling Stones; The Stones have seen much worse controversy and powered right on through it.

219 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:09:58am

re: #217 Gus

Time machine life span. :O

OK. Tea, shower, off to the shop. Later.

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220 darthstar  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:12:15am

re: #215 FemNaziBitch

His wife is bitter?

Frighteningly so. And she cringed through his ‘roller coaster’ metaphor because she knew he was talking about his actual time since the election going to Disney with the grandkids when he said, “can’t we stay on this rollercoaster forever?” and not about staying in politics.

221 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:19:13am

re: #220 darthstar

Frighteningly so. And she cringed through his ‘roller coaster’ metaphor because she knew he was talking about his actual time since the election going to Disney with the grandkids when he said, “can’t we stay on this rollercoaster forever?” and not about staying in politics.

The election ended on November 6, 2012.

222 darthstar  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:25:39am

re: #221 Gus

The election ended on November 6, 2012.

What can I say? The woman holds a grudge. Look, I don’t give a shit if the Romneys want to reinvent themselves, or if Mitt wants to try to pretend his own party doesn’t hate him with every cell in their collective being. I just don’t want to be subjected to his “humanizer”…she’s fuckin’ scarier than a lap-dance from a gun-totin’ Palin.

223 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:36:40am

re: #222 darthstar

What can I say? The woman holds a grudge. Look, I don’t give a shit if the Romneys want to reinvent themselves, or if Mitt wants to try to pretend his own party doesn’t hate him with every cell in their collective being. I just don’t want to be subjected to his “humanizer”…she’s fuckin’ scarier than a lap-dance from a gun-totin’ Palin.

She’s just annoyed to have been thwarted, Darth. She probably had the menus and silverware picked out for the first state dinner.

224 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:39:46am

re: #222 darthstar

What can I say? The woman holds a grudge. Look, I don’t give a shit if the Romneys want to reinvent themselves, or if Mitt wants to try to pretend his own party doesn’t hate him with every cell in their collective being. I just don’t want to be subjected to his “humanizer”…she’s fuckin’ scarier than a lap-dance from a gun-totin’ Palin.

Not seeing it. Sure, Ann Romney can be annoying I suppose. But I, me, as IMO, don’t see her as being “scarier” than Sarah Palin. Perhaps that’s because I don’t see Palin as scary in the first place. Yes, Palin has jumped the shark. Gone over to the deep end. But scary? Not really. I think cancer is scary.

225 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:42:27am

re: #224 Gus

Not seeing it. Sure, Ann Romney can be annoying I suppose. But I, me, as IMO, don’t see her as being “scarier” than Sarah Palin. Perhaps that’s because I don’t see Palin as scary in the first place. Yes, Palin has jumped the shark. Gone over to the deep end. But scary? Not really. I think cancer is scary.

Palin is only scary in the context of her holding power. Other than that, she’s just another DERPer.

226 Lidane  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:43:13am

It’s the weekend and the derp still flows:

227 Lidane  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:43:47am

Also:

228 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:45:53am

re: #226 Lidane

It’s the weekend and the derp still flows:

That one is an open racist: One of the photoshops on his page’s background sets a black woman next to a chimpanzee.

And besides which he’s wrong: Barack Obama does not have the level of human interaction problems that Richard Nixon did.

229 darthstar  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:48:43am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

She’s just annoyed to have been thwarted, Darth. She probably had the menus and silverware picked out for the first state dinner.

Annoyed…another good descriptor. Maybe the pounding they took in the election is the issue for her…they certainly seemed like they felt destined for the White House…anyway, Gus is right. Ann Romney is no longer relevant to the national picture (thank fucking god)…I should MTFO and forget about her.

230 darthstar  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:51:48am

re: #224 Gus

Sarah? I was talking about Todd!
///

Though I’m sure some people out there would like to see Todd doing a lap dance. NTTAWWT

231 Mattand  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:54:50am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

The BDS people should have known better: Their attempt to stir up controversy and protest was never going to faze the Rolling Stones; The Stones have seen much worse controversy and powered right on through it.

Heh, that’s the one unifying thing about religion: its potential for idiocy knows no bounds, regardless of the flavor.

232 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 7:56:47am

re: #231 Mattand

Heh, that’s the one unifying thing about religion: its potential for idiocy knows no bounds, regardless of the flavor.

Are you saying the “Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions” crowd is representative of a religion?

233 Mattand  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:03:10am

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

Are you saying the “Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions” crowd is representative of a religion?

Not sure what you’re referring to. Specifically, I was referring to the fact that when a religion calls for something to be boycotted, it always blows up in their faces.

Generally, I was referring to the old “Religion makes smart people do stupid/evil things” saying.

234 darthstar  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:10:48am

re: #233 Mattand

I think the protest here is more about government policy towards their people more than derpitude based on an imaginary friend.

Still, I won’t pay to see the Rolling Stones in the states…yeah, I liked their music (Love You Live was a great album, as were Goat Head Soup, Sticky Fingers and Some Girls)…but their formulaic songs don’t translate into good live jams anymore…too much reliance on choreography and stagecraft.

235 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:22:27am

re: #233 Mattand

Not sure what you’re referring to. Specifically, I was referring to the fact that when a religion calls for something to be boycotted, it always blows up in their faces.

Generally, I was referring to the old “Religion makes smart people do stupid/evil things” saying.

Ah, so its just hostile atheism. OK. Downdinged appropriately.

236 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:26:29am

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Ah, so its just hostile atheism. OK. Downdinged appropriately.

Not seeing any atheism there.

237 darthstar  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:27:32am

re: #236 Gus

Not seeing any atheism there.

Or hostility for that matter.

239 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:29:26am

re: #237 darthstar

Or hostility for that matter.

That and BDS isn’t a religious movement. Only in that maybe it can be seen as being anti-Zionist. But Zionism isn’t a religion.

240 darthstar  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:29:47am

re: #236 Gus

Not seeing any atheism there.

Your problem is you don’t have any faith…if you only believed in atheism…as the first verse in the atheist bible says, ” .” It behooves you to take those words to heart.

241 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:29:49am

… ‘course that’s just hostile Elvisism….

242 darthstar  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:32:28am

re: #241 wrenchwench

… ‘course that’s just hostile Elvisism….

Glory to the newborn King.

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243 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:34:17am

Gus, your one weird trick* works on these, too.

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[*add .jpg to the URL]

244 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:34:47am

re: #242 darthstar

Glory to the newborn King.

Image: D80A94485A6EAC31AC755807BA49070E_243w.jpg

He has returned!

245 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:35:00am

OK. Who the fuck wrote this on Wiki?

Cultural conservatism - United States

An example of a cultural conservative in the broader sense is Allan Bloom (who is a political liberal), arguing in The Closing of the American Mind against cultural relativism. Another example is Senator Jim Webb (D-Virginia), author of Born Fighting.

246 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:39:30am

re: #245 Gus

OK. Who the fuck wrote this on Wiki?

Cultural conservatism - United States

Cultural conservatism can mean a number of different things. It does not have to mean the type favored by ‘religious social conservatives’.

247 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:45:46am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

Cultural conservatism can mean a number of different things. It does not have to mean the type favored by ‘religious social conservatives’.

Roger. OK, looks like Bloom is considered a “founder.”

248 Bulworth  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 8:47:03am

re: #227 Lidane

PBO crimes against/via TGDN?

249 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:03:19am

Image: cpacgeller.jpg

250 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:04:28am

The ‘moisture vaporator’ of Star Wars now exists in real life:

Magic it is not. But making water is an intriguing idea. Veragon Italia (Stand C2-028) of Italy believes the lack of drinking water in many parts of the world can easily be managed. The company’s Veragon V12 Magnum imitates what happens in nature: it condenses water vapour to ‘make’ chilled clean water. This is sterilised in an ozone disinfection process and finally mineralised.

Connecting to a power source, including solar panels, the V12 can produce mineral water where it is needed, without depleting existing water resources. It operates in a temperature range of 15-45°C and relative humidity between 20 and 100 per cent. Output is calculated at more than 1,200 litres per day, although this depends on prevailing climatic conditions. The V12 can be connected to an existing water system at home, at a military installation or in a hospital.

251 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:04:49am

Top comment:

Wrong, wrong move, CPAC. Especially meaningful to women is revealing how sharia law infringes on freedom for women worldwide. Ignoring this is not the way to go and get women’s attention to vote Conservative. Sharia law needs to be exposed and inform people of how women are mistreated and enslaved under sharia law.

252 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:05:26am

re: #249 Gus

Image: cpacgeller.jpg

CPAC finally does something right.

253 darthstar  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:05:48am

re: #249 Gus

Image: cpacgeller.jpg

Hang on…they’re letting Palin and Romney speak but not Geller? Come on, CPAC…get your shit together…if you’re going to implode, IMPLODE! This half-assed shit won’t run forever.

254 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:09:15am

Ha! You should read some of the Tweets there. Delicious wingnut derp.

255 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:10:24am

re: #245 Gus

LOL

256 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:10:39am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

Cultural conservatism can mean a number of different things. It does not have to mean the type favored by ‘religious social conservatives’.

It can have a number of different motives or rationales, but it basically means only one thing, to advocate past social convention as being (for whatever reason) superior to more modern practices.

257 darthstar  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:16:50am

re: #254 Gus

Ha! You should read some of the Tweets there. Delicious wingnut derp.

Wow…that Ace of Spades…I sure don’t want to get on HIS bad side…Though I do now regret increasing Twitchy’s visit counter by a full percentage point.

258 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:27:11am

P.S. Bloom was gay but gutlessly never once commented on the gay rights movement. Instead he chose to try and legitimize the same point of view that would have kept him a second class citizen at best and a criminal at worst.

Webb’s book is, in a pigeonhole, primarily genealogical masturbation, which is fine but it’s not clear to me where people are getting social conservatism from that. Lots of people are capable of talking up their people’s contributions to the country without stating or even implying cultural superiority.

259 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:32:25am

re: #258 goddamnedfrank

P.S. Bloom was gay but gutlessly never once commented on the gay rights movement. Instead he chose to try and legitimize the same point of view that would have kept him a second class citizen at best and a criminal at worst.

Webb’s book is, in a pigeonhole, primarily genealogical masturbation, which is fine but it’s not clear to me where people are getting social conservatism from that. Lots of people are capable of talking up their people’s contributions to the country without stating or even implying cultural superiority.

‘Cultural conservatism’ has some meaning independent of ‘social conservatism’, or at least I think it does.

260 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:45:06am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

‘Cultural conservatism’ has some meaning independent of ‘social conservatism’, or at least I think it does.

Something something standing athwart something yelling ‘STOP!’ ?

261 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:45:47am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of “cultural conservatism”, read this disgusting, horrid, piece slandering women of the US military, written by a National Review writer who’s supposed to be a “secular” conservative.

262 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:58:35am

re: #256 goddamnedfrank

It can have a number of different motives or rationales, but it basically means only one thing, to advocate past social convention as being (for whatever reason) superior to more modern practices.

Actually, I would strongly argue that ‘social conservatives’ tend to advocate a mythical social convention that never existed in the first place. they’re not conservatives so much as fabulists.

263 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:59:39am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

‘Cultural conservatism’ has some meaning independent of ‘social conservatism’, or at least I think it does.

In Bloom’s case, unfortunately, this meant complaining that rock and roll was just terrible and bad. A lot of cultural conservatism is like this— insisting one medium or manner of expression is somehow different from others.

264 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:59:50am

re: #262 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Actually, I would strongly argue that ‘social conservatives’ tend to advocate a mythical social convention that never existed in the first place. they’re not conservatives so much as fabulists.

Please elaborate.

265 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:05:10am

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

Please elaborate.

Well, like the gigantic move to tear down separation of church and state. There was never a time in US history when church and state division was significantly weaker than today. Yet the idiotic social conservatives, by and large, think that the country has moved away from the Christ-filled mission it has.

266 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:06:55am

I should clarify and say that I’m talking only about the political social conservatives. My parents, for example, are social conservatives, but only in so far as they lead their own lives. They don’t ask anyone else to adhere to their positions or standards, and while some of their views— like on gay people— I find abhorrent, they don’t vote according to those views, they consider such things a social, not a political, matter.

267 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:08:21am

re: #262 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Actually, I would strongly argue that ‘social conservatives’ tend to advocate a mythical social convention that never existed in the first place. they’re not conservatives so much as fabulists.

Well, in some cases yes. However, the people arguing against no fault divorce and marriage equality are reacting to concrete changes. But yes, they do absolutely mythologize the past, usually ignoring entirely the negative consequences of the outdated morés they champion.

268 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:08:28am

re: #265 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Well, like the gigantic move to tear down separation of church and state. There was never a time in US history when church and state division was significantly weaker than today. Yet the idiotic social conservatives, by and large, think that the country has moved away from the Christ-filled mission it has.

The bolded part is a little hard to believe.

269 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:10:07am

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

The bolded part is a little hard to believe.

Then name such a time, Dark.

270 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:12:30am

re: #267 goddamnedfrank

Well, in some cases yes. However, the people arguing against no fault divorce and marriage equality are reacting to concrete changes. But yes, they do absolutely mythologize the past, usually ignoring entirely the negative consequences of the outdated morés they champion.

True, I’m being overbroad. There are the literal conservatives, such as the people who, even though they don’t really have anything against gay people having legal protections, dislike them having the word ‘marriage’. That’d be the essence of certain social conservative to me— it really is social for them, not legal.

There are also those, as you say, who argue against no-fault divorce and the availability of birth control, but even in those cases they are wrongly saying that those things are causes of social change instead of just part of the continuum. We could enact draconian divorce laws tomorrow, and it wouldn’t have the effect they wanted— people would marry a lot less.

271 allegro  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:15:09am

re: #265 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Well, like the gigantic move to tear down separation of church and state. There was never a time in US history when church and state division was significantly weaker than today. Yet the idiotic social conservatives, by and large, think that the country has moved away from the Christ-filled mission it has.

I believe you’re wrong on this one. When I was a kid in the 50s, we started every school day with the lord’s prayer as did most all school children throughout the country. Christian symbolism was everywhere, including public squares, during their religious holidays. We’re still fighting religion based laws. It took Madeline Murray O’Hare (among others) to bring this stuff to attention and begin to honor the separation of church and state.

It is quite different today. In a very good way. Still a distance to go.

272 allegro  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:17:55am

re: #271 allegro

I should add that “In God we Trust” was added to currency and “under god” was added to the Pledge of Allegiance during the 50s as well.

273 Mattand  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:18:02am

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Ah, so its just hostile atheism. OK. Downdinged appropriately.

1. It’s a downding on a website. Glad you’re happy, but it’s not important in the scheme of things. No impact on my life.

2. Atheist? I am, but a religious person could have made the same observation.

3. Hostile? Hardly. A group of religious guys are calling for a ban on something they don’t like, because they want everyone living like they do.

Doesn’t matter whether it’s the Christian Republican flakes you keep supporting by voting GOP; mullahs insisting women be covered head to toe; or a bunch of rabbis in Israel who don’t want people enjoying their holiday with music.

That’s a major problem of religion: the more fanatical devotees try to force their way on everyone else.

Nice backhanded dig with the “angry atheist” horseshit, BTW.

274 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:18:30am

re: #271 allegro

I believe you’re wrong on this one. When I was a kid in the 50s, we started every school day with the lord’s prayer as did most all school children throughout the country. Christian symbolism was everywhere, including public squares, during their religious holidays. We’re still fighting religion based laws. It took Madeline Murray O’Hare (among others) to bring this stuff to attention and begin to honor the separation of church and state.

It is quite different today. In a very good way. Still a distance to go.

Thank you for that, Allegro. You answered better than I would have.

275 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:19:07am

re: #273 Mattand

Actually, I’ve long since taken back the downding.

276 Mattand  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:22:12am

re: #275 Dark_Falcon

Actually, I I’ve long since taken back the downding.

It looks like I put my foot in my mouth. I should have looked up “BDS” first. I saw “rabbi” and “Israel” and it assumed it was some ultra-orthodox religious group. Puts your initial comment in better context.

Still feel that way about religion, though.

277 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:25:04am
278 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:28:13am
279 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:28:57am

re: #276 Mattand

It looks like I put my foot in my mouth. I should have looked up “BDS” first. I saw “rabbi” and “Israel” and it assumed it was some ultra-orthodox religious group. Puts your initial comment in better context.

Still feel that way about religion, though.

At least now you know. That article didn’t really explain the meaning of the term.

280 Mattand  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:31:10am

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

At least now you know. That article didn’t really explain the meaning of the term.

Yeah, but I broke my #1 rule of commenting: If you see something you don’t recognize or understand, Google it.

281 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:31:57am

Dryer broke.
Clothes outside on line.
Sad face.

Good afternoon.

282 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:32:46am

re: #271 allegro

I believe you’re wrong on this one. When I was a kid in the 50s, we started every school day with the lord’s prayer as did most all school children throughout the country. Christian symbolism was everywhere, including public squares, during their religious holidays. We’re still fighting religion based laws. It took Madeline Murray O’Hare (among others) to bring this stuff to attention and begin to honor the separation of church and state.

It is quite different today. In a very good way. Still a distance to go.

I’m sorry, but I disagree. During that time period, the preaching of politics in church was far less than it is today, and the amount of money interjected into the political process from churches was far less, too. The teaching of evolution in schools hasn’t really improved that much from that time period. Christian symbolism is still everywhere, our elected leaders routinely reference god constantly. The lord’s prayer in schools is certainly something I care about, but it’s not the bellweather.

283 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:34:56am

re: #278 Gus

Fuck … again?

KABUL, Afghanistan — Nine boys collecting firewood to heat their homes in the eastern Afghanistan mountains were killed by NATO helicopter gunners who mistook them for insurgents, according to a statement on Wednesday by NATO, which apologized for the mistake.

Hearts and minds … we’re doing a bang up job.

284 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:35:09am

Shoot first, ask questions later.

285 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:37:33am

re: #283 goddamnedfrank

Fuck … again?

Hearts and minds … we’re doing a bang up job.

Then people wonder why they hate us. It’s NATO which means an international force. But will be seen as the USA. Patrolling the air at night and shooting at people who “appear” to be carrying weapons. Or in this case possibly sticks. I don’t know but in my book that’s not a proper military practice in the least. Whoever is responsible for this should be relieved of their command/duty. Gone! No more flying for you.

286 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:40:41am

re: #283 goddamnedfrank

Fuck … again?

Hearts and minds … we’re doing a bang up job.

So it was 2 plus 9 in two separate incidents. God damn. FUBAR

287 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:41:10am

Ah, the 9 is from 2011.

288 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:41:10am

Hey man, we’re like, totes sorry about killing your kids. Shit happens amiright? Anyway … please don’t swear a blood oath against us or anything, ‘cuz like I said, we feel really bad about it and even though it keeps happening it was a complete fucking accident.

289 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:43:59am

re: #288 goddamnedfrank

Hey man, we’re like, totes sorry about killing your kids. Shit happens amiright? Anyway … please don’t swear a blood oath against us or anything, ‘cuz like I said, we feel really bad about it and even though it keeps happening it was a complete fucking accident.

I’ve watched quite a few night time videos. Some of the times I was watching and thinking to myself, “how can you be fucking sure those are Taliban or AQ?”

290 Stanley Sea  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:45:18am

re: #281 Varek Raith

Dryer broke.
Clothes outside on line.
Sad face.

Good afternoon.

Varek homemaker

291 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:45:49am

re: #285 Gus

Then people wonder why they hate us. It’s NATO which means an international force. But will be seen as the USA. Patrolling the air at night and shooting at people who “appear” to be carrying weapons. Or in this case possibly sticks. I don’t know but in my book that’s not a proper military practice in the least. Whoever is responsible for this should be relieved of their command/duty. Gone! No more flying for you.

From the article…

Abdullah Himat, a spokesman for the provincial government in Oruzgan, in southern Afghanistan, said that while the shooting was a mistake, there had been Taliban presence in the area and insurgents had opened fire on the helicopter. Both Australian and American soldiers were involved in the episode, he said.

Fareed Ayal, the spokesman for the provincial police chief, said the helicopter was hunting for Taliban by tracking their radio signals when the killings took place. “There wasn’t any engagement with the Taliban, it was just a mistake that they have killed the two boys at an area where they thought they detected a Taliban radio signal,” he said.

It was a tragic mistake but this is what happens when fighting an enemy who hides among civilians, doesn’t wear uniforms or recognize the norms of modern warfare. We do take care to avoid this kind of thing but sometimes that’s just not possible.

292 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:46:35am

Commander Expresses Regret for Civilian Deaths in Uruzgan

ISAF Headquarters Public Affairs
2013-03-CA-01 ISAF
For Immediate Release

Commander Expresses Regret for Civilian Deaths in Uruzgan

KABUL, Afghanistan (March 2, 2013) - It is with deep regret that the International Security Assistance Force announces that its forces were responsible for the unintended death of two young Afghan civilians during an operation Feb. 28 in Shahid-e Hasas District, Uruzgan Province.

“I offer my personal apology and condolences to the family of the boys who were killed,” said Gen. Joseph Dunford, commander of ISAF. “I am committed to ensuring we do the right thing for the families of those we harmed, as well as for the community in which they lived. We take full responsibility for this tragedy.”

The boys were killed when Coalition forces fired at what they thought were insurgent forces. A joint Afghan-ISAF investigation team visited the location today and met with local leaders.

ISAF remains committed to taking appropriate actions to minimize the likelihood of similar occurrences in the future.

Gee. Thanks. It’s all good. =|

293 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:46:56am

re: #284 Gus

Shoot first, ask questions later.

Helicopters are vulnerable to ground fire, enough that their crews often believe that shooting first is the only viable option.

294 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:47:39am

A non wingnut colleague of mine whom I have never known to be very political came in to work this morning ranting about the sequestration mess and blaming Obama for “not getting the damned thing fixed”, she then went on to add: “I will never vote democratic again.”

I’m trying to decide if I should try and set her straight or just leave her be.

295 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:48:28am

re: #291 Killgore Trout

From the article…

It was a tragic mistake but this is what happens when fighting an enemy who hides among civilians, doesn’t wear uniforms or recognize the norms of modern warfare. We do take care to avoid this kind of thing but sometimes that’s just not possible.

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

Helicopters are vulnerable to ground fire, enough that their crews often believe that shooting first is the only viable option.

“It was a tragic mistake” and whoever is responsible needs to get the boot.

296 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:48:32am

Update on the allegations of the racist Business Week cover: Don’t judge a Bloomberg Businessweek by its cover (UPDATED)

Bloomberg Businessweek just sent us this statement from Andres Guzman: “The assignment was an illustration about housing. I simply drew the family like that because those are the kind of families I know. I am Latino and grew up around plenty of mixed families.”

297 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:49:19am

re: #294 Eclectic Cyborg

Give it a shot, point out that the situation is 100% because the GOP held the debt ceiling hostage and now are refusing any tax increases whatsoever.

She may simply deflect the information, but doesn’t hurt to try. Politely, of course.

298 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:49:21am

Gotta go.

299 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:49:50am

re: #295 Gus

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

“It was a tragic mistake” and whoever is responsible needs to get the boot.

They are looking into it and will check to see if procedures were followed.

300 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:52:55am

re: #299 Killgore Trout

They are looking into it and will check to see if procedures were followed.

Procedures. They killed 9 boys in 2011.

301 Gus  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:53:31am

There is no excuse for this. Zero. None.

302 Mattand  Sat, Mar 2, 2013 10:57:35am

re: #294 Eclectic Cyborg

A non wingnut colleague of mine whom I have never known to be very political came in to work this morning ranting about the sequestration mess and blaming Obama for “not getting the damned thing fixed”, she then went on to add: “I will never vote democratic again.”

I’m trying to decide if I should try and set her straight or just leave her be.

I would just point out the Tea Baggers in the GOP triggered this with fighting the debt ceiling, and then refused to consider any revenue/tax increases. The ratio the Dems offered was anywhere between 4:1 and 10:1, cuts vs increases.

After that, just walk away. This is what I hate about people who call themselves “independent”. I don’t expect them to slavishly vote Democratic, but get an effing clue as to who started this mess, and who is refusing to negotiate in good faith.


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