Edward Snowden Took NSA Job Specifically to Steal Secret Documents

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Today the pro-Beijing South China Morning Post reveals that NSA leaker Edward Snowden took his job with contractor Booz Allen for only one reason: to steal top secret documents.

This development confirms what many had already suspected. It made no sense that an extreme civil libertarian and Ron Paul supporter like Snowden would want to work for the NSA — but now we know he intended to steal the documents from the beginning.

And it makes this statement by advocacy journalist Glenn Greenwald very pertinent:

Note: Snowden started working for Booz Allen in March.

UPDATE at 6/24/13 12:06:19 pm

Flashback: When Andrew Sullivan suggested Snowden might have taken the Booz Allen job specifically to leak secrets, Glenn Greenwald called it a “moronic conspiracy theory.”

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294 comments
1 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:55:29am

The question that really needs to be asked is WHY IN THE HELL DID BOOZ HIRE HIM WITH SUCH A SHITTY RESUME?

2 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:56:35am

re: #1 Vicious Babushka

The question that really needs to be asked is WHY IN THE HELL DID BOOZ HIRE HIM WITH SUCH A SHITTY RESUME?

Because they could not get decent staff for that piddling salary.

3 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:58:14am

Actual NSA employees have to take a polygraph before employment; maybe Booz Allen doesn’t go to that expense.

4 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:58:18am

So, conspiracy to steal classified information.

And Glenn had a hand in it.

5 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:59:01am

re: #2 Sol Berdinowitz

Because they could not get decent staff for that piddling salary.

Yes, it sucks that they pay their contractors so little, twice as much as GM contractors get paid.

6 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:59:34am

Greenwald may be in some serious trouble after all. This news changes things.

7 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 9:59:44am

And the whiney ass pleas to quit talking about Snowden rightfully get ignored more and more.

This whole thing stinks to high heaven. Time to start throwing the word plot around.

8 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:00:32am

And this possibility which I thought was real from the start given his background as a Paul supporter/civil libs guy is why I wasn’t eager to jump on the wagon of Snowden the noble whistleblower.

9 Political Atheist  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:01:16am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Cries of journalist intimidation in 3… 2… 1…

10 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:01:24am

Will you people stop talking about Snowden and GG and all the leaking to foreign countries, this is all about gov spying on US citizens! Unconstitutional!

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11 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:02:05am

What honestly aside from the violation of nat security pisses me off about this is Greenwald and Snowden poisoned the well big time on this conversation. Way to go guys. Way to fucking go.

12 CMReaK  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:02:08am

re: #1 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, and not just a shitty resume, but also don’t those background checks look into your personal associations, political activities, and such? Wouldn’t his activities have raised some flags? I mean…wouldn’t the damn stickers on his laptop have at least raised an eyebrow or two? Jeez.

It sort of raises some questions about whether or not Snowden had a personal connection at BAH that helped him get the job.

13 CMReaK  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:02:48am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Amen! I couldn’t agree more.

14 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:03:10am

Not sure why the U.S. would bother capturing Snowden yet. Better to let him keep talking.

half sarc

15 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:03:43am

Bob Cesca:
Privilege is a Hell of a Drug

“…Now, if only more Americans had the luxury of taking on a job with a salary of $122,000 with the expressed intent of quitting four weeks later because you’re high on delusions of grandeur while engaged in some ideological crusade in partnership with Glenn Greenwald.”

I was just wondering if there was such a thing as an underprivileged libertarian.

16 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:04:25am

re: #7 b.d.

This whole thing stinks to high heaven. Time to start throwing the word plot around.

Like this?

17 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:05:11am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Greenwald may be in some serious trouble after all. This news changes things.

THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS!!!
/
Seriously, Greenwald is relying on the media shield law for his protection, but he hinted early on that he was instrumental in getting the information from Snowden (i.e., worked with him even before he started with BAH).

Personally, I think if the Obama administration charges Greenwald as a co-conspirator, the media will turn this into a persecution and Greenwald will be a martyr in the war on tyranny.

I’ll be happy if he’s just so implicated that he’s discredited into obscurity. In other words, the only work he can find is as a Fox correspondent.

18 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:05:29am
19 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:05:36am

So he took the job specifically to steal classified information? And he started talking to Greenwald before he took the job?

Oh yeah. Some hero.

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20 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:05:38am

Note to self, accomplice has two cs in it. Three actually.

21 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:06:07am

re: #3 jaunte

Actual NSA employees have to take a polygraph before employment; maybe Booz Allen doesn’t go to that expense.

Polygraphs are crap.

22 RandomMonster  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:06:45am

Does anybody know of a list of the documents/information he has actually released so far? Is it just the powerpoint? Just curious (and don’t get me wrong, I think the guy is an opportunist and self-promoter).

23 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:06:51am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

The difference Glenn is Mr. Ellsburg did not take a job at the RAND corporation for the explicit purpose of taking U.S documents. You can compare him to Daniel Ellsburg all you want but his actions show him to be more like Aldrich Ames than the former.

24 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:07:37am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Ellsberg took the documents and fled to China?

25 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:08:16am

re: #22 RandomMonster

Does anybody know of a list of the documents/information he has actually released so far? Is it just the powerpoint? Just curious (and don’t get me wrong, I think the guy is an opportunist and self-promoter).

Kinda hard to say what he ‘released’ to China and Russia.

26 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:08:22am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Greenwald’s magical balance fairy of Ellsberg is wearing out.

27 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:08:25am

re: #21 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Polygraphs are crap.

Yup.

28 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:09:07am

re: #26 Gus

Greenwald’s magical balance fairy of Ellsberg is wearing out.

I wish Ellsburg himself would come out and call that bs. I know he’s somewhat sympathetic to Snowden but the two are and were two totally different cases.

29 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:09:27am

re: #22 RandomMonster

Does anybody know of a list of the documents/information he has actually released so far? Is it just the powerpoint? Just curious (and don’t get me wrong, I think the guy is an opportunist and self-promoter).

When an intelligence asset is compromised, you need to assume it was all compromised and act accordingly.

30 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:09:52am

Can we finally strip the title of “journalist” from GG and call him a traitor criminal now? Will MSNBC continue to their fanboy worship of GG and Snowden?

31 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:09:56am

At which point I again ask people to sign this WH petition to get private contractors out of the intelligence business.

wh.gov

32 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:10:33am

Dear Snowden, hold out for a two bedroom place.

33 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:10:42am

re: #4 Kragar

So, conspiracy to steal classified information.

And Glenn had a hand in it.

I don’t see how to come to any other conclusion. Greenwald admits to talking to Snowden before the theft, Snowden admits taking the gig in order to facilitate the theft.

That alone screams ‘conspiracy.’

34 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:10:54am

re: #15 jaunte

I was just wondering if there was such a thing as an underprivileged libertarian.

Strangely, there are very few libertarians in nations that have very little in the way of government or state infrastructure. If you’ve never lived under the thumb of a non-government organization, minimization of the state seems awesome.

Because you’ve never been a peasant/factory worker subject to the whims of the local zamindar/warlord/factory boss.

(Strangely, people out in the hinterlands of governance tend to go socialist in direct response to their experience of exploitation.)

35 CMReaK  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:11:05am

Oh jeez. What a ham-handed mess! Unbelievable.

36 RandomMonster  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:12:19am

re: #25 wrenchwench

Yeah, I meant publicly. The public stuff is conceivably “whistleblowing” by some people’s definition — sharing stuff with foreign powers is clearly just espionage.

37 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:13:11am

re: #22 RandomMonster

It’s a pretty safe assumption that the Chinese and probably the Russians have everything that was on his computers now.

38 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:13:49am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

The difference Glenn is Mr. Ellsburg did not take a job at the RAND corporation for the explicit purpose of taking U.S documents. You can compare him to Daniel Ellsburg all you want but his actions show him to be more like Aldrich Ames than the former.

This.

39 uncah91  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:14:05am

Huge difference between being confronted with behavior and coming to the conclusion that you have to talk and going in to the situation determined to find something you consider to be wrongdoing.

40 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:14:27am

re: #32 b.d.

Dear Snowden, hold out for a two bedroom place.

And be forewarned…Julien Assange doesn’t take ‘No’ for an answer.

41 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:14:36am

Yeah - it’s me who’s the problem.

42 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:15:22am

From earlier, regarding Snowden’s publicity posse:

43 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:15:51am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

It’s a pretty safe assumption that the Chinese and probably the Russians have everything that was on his computers now.

But he had a pillow!

44 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:16:17am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Yeah - it’s me who’s the problem.

Sigh this is why I hate politics. Idiots to the left of me and nutsos to the right of me. And whatever you want to call libertarians in the bizarre diagonal they’d be to me.

45 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:18:05am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

It’s a pretty safe assumption that the Chinese and probably the Russians have everything that was on his computers now.

Highly likely. Our former CEO traveled to China and was warned by our IT and HR NOT to connect his laptop to the internet. Of course he thought he was safe during a meeting at a hospital and connected to Wifi. Within a few short hours much of his hard drive files had been deleted (including an internal business plan) or corrupted and Chinese propaganda videos were uploaded. Apparently Chinese hackers are actively searching the servers for foreign loggins.

46 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:18:18am

re: #36 RandomMonster

Yeah, I meant publicly. The public stuff is conceivably “whistleblowing” by some people’s definition — sharing stuff with foreign powers is clearly just espionage.

And the latter pretty much makes any thought of the former moot.

47 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:18:52am

Greenwald’s actions as an attorney may get him in serious trouble (if he’s still admitted to a US jurisdiction, that is). He’s required, as an officer of the court, to adhere to the ethics rules, including the ABA Model Rules, Rule 1.6 for instance:

Rule 1.6(b)(2) - relating to confidentiality of information:

A lawyer may reveal information relating to the representation of a client to the extent the lawyer reasonably believes necessary:
to prevent the client from committing a crime or fraud that is reasonably certain to result in substantial injury to the financial interests or property of another and in furtherance of which the client has used or is using the lawyer’s services;

and Rule 8.4 - Misconduct:

(a) violate or attempt to violate the Rules of Professional Conduct, knowingly assist or induce another to do so, or do so through the acts of another;

(b) commit a criminal act that reflects adversely on the lawyer’s honesty, trustworthiness or fitness as a lawyer in other respects;

(c) It is professional misconduct for a lawyer to: engage in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation;

We’re taught in law school to avoid crossing the line - and if you’re questioning where the line is, you’re probably over it. Greenwald’s crossed the line from zealous advocate for his client into engaging in acts that likely should put him in jeopardy of seeing the inside of a jail cell - not as a journalist, but as an idiot attorney who thinks that cloaking himself as a “journalist” protects him from the crimes in which he aided and abetted Snowden.

48 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:18:55am

re: #44 HappyWarrior

Yeah, pretty disappointed to see so many bloggers I used to frequent back in the day, now on the Twitters going all moonbatty.

49 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:18:58am

re: #4 Kragar

So, conspiracy to steal classified information.

And Glenn had a hand in it.

I think we are looking at a major, major legal kerfuffle here…one that is going to leave a big trail of ‘splodey heads well into next year…

50 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:19:52am

re: #33 makeitstop

I don’t see how to come to any other conclusion. Greenwald admits to talking to Snowden before the theft, Snowden admits taking the gig in order to facilitate the theft.

That alone screams ‘conspiracy.’

Conspiracy is a really hard charge to prove, though.

51 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:20:11am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

The difference Glenn is Mr. Ellsburg did not take a job at the RAND corporation for the explicit purpose of taking U.S documents. You can compare him to Daniel Ellsburg all you want but his actions show him to be more like Aldrich Ames than the former.

Starting to parallel “Falcon and the Snowman” even more and more it seems. Claims ideological issues, but ends up selling/giving NSA and cipher documents to a foreign power. That’s not protest/whistleblowing, that’s espionage.

52 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:21:25am
53 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:22:22am
Yeah - it’s me who’s the problem.

Yep, talk about NSA, nothing else!!

Nothing else!!!

54 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:22:38am

re: #47 lawhawk

Greenwald’s actions as an attorney may get him in serious trouble (if he’s still admitted to a US jurisdiction, that is). He’s required, as an officer of the court, to adhere to the ethics rules, including the ABA Model Rules, Rule 1.6 for instance:

Rule 1.6(b)(2) - relating to confidentiality of information:

and Rule 8.4 - Misconduct:

We’re taught in law school to avoid crossing the line - and if you’re questioning where the line is, you’re probably over it. Greenwald’s crossed the line from zealous advocate for his client into engaging in acts that likely should put him in jeopardy of seeing the inside of a jail cell - not as a journalist, but as an idiot attorney who thinks that cloaking himself as a “journalist” protects him from the crimes in which he aided and abetted Snowden.

Page this please. :D

55 uncah91  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:27:09am

re: #52 jaunte

Did he specifically deny that?

56 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:27:17am
57 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:28:28am

re: #33 makeitstop

I don’t see how to come to any other conclusion. Greenwald admits to talking to Snowden before the theft, Snowden admits taking the gig in order to facilitate the theft.

That alone screams ‘conspiracy.’

Stole that:

58 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:30:17am

re: #57 Joanne

Stole that:

Thanks! I do not tweet, so my comments are yours if you want them. :)

59 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:30:42am

Zimmerman lawyer opens Trayvon murder trial with ‘knock-knock’ joke

“Knock, knock. Who’s there? George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman who?” West said. “Alright, good, you’re on the jury.”

“Nothing?” he added when the jury apparently failed to laugh. “That’s funny. After what you folks have been through the last two or three weeks.”

Well, I see this trial is off to a smooth start.

60 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:31:26am

All the news organizations are saying Snowden took the job to “collect evidence” or “obtain documents.” No, folks. He STOLE these documents. Why is this supposed to be something we can’t say?

Even if you think he was right to do this, just admit it. He stole these top secret documents. Period.

61 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:31:37am

re: #48 Bulworth

Yeah, pretty disappointed to see so many bloggers I used to frequent back in the day, now on the Twitters going all moonbatty.

Not hardly only moonbatty. Nor solely wingnut. It’s all wingbatty now.

62 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:32:34am

re: #59 Kragar

Zimmerman lawyer opens Trayvon murder trial with ‘knock-knock’ joke

Well, I see this trial is off to a smooth start.

Is there precedence for a defendant firing their attorney after only the first day of trial? I would be weighting that option if I were Killerman.

63 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:32:34am

re: #59 Kragar

Zimmerman lawyer opens Trayvon murder trial with ‘knock-knock’ joke

Well, I see this trial is off to a smooth start.

Verdict: Not Guilty, on the grounds that a) Zimmerman’s attorney made an effort to connect with the jury and b) it’s Florida, for chrissakes.

64 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:32:58am
65 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:33:19am
66 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:33:20am

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Not quite the “I was a young innocent toiling away when I happened upon such OUTRAGE” story it appeared to be at the start.

67 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:33:38am

re: #62 Dr. Matt

Is there precedence for a defendant firing their attorney after only the first day of trial? I would be weighting that option if I were Killerman.

“My Cousin Vinnie” I believe supplies that.
/

68 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:34:18am

re: #63 darthstar

Verdict: Not Guilty, on the grounds that a) Zimmerman’s attorney made an effort to connect with the jury and b) it’s Florida, for chrissakes.

I will be surprised if he does not walk…mostly because of SYG legislation and the fact that the local PD did not collect any evidence from the scene of the crime in a timely manner…there is almost no way of establishing any guilt on Z’s part beyond the accepted legal standard of “reasonable doubt”.

69 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:34:31am
70 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:34:35am

re: #66 Bulworth

Not quite the “I was a young innocent toiling away when I happened upon such OUTRAGE” story it appeared to be at the start.

Kind of chips away at the “I was deep within the belly of the beast” idea.

71 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:34:36am

re: #59 Kragar

Zimmerman lawyer opens Trayvon murder trial with ‘knock-knock’ joke

Well, I see this trial is off to a smooth start.

How to win friends and influence people…by calling the jury uninformed dolts.

72 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:35:14am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

‘collect proof’

Like it was laying around on the forest floor.

73 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:35:22am

re: #62 Dr. Matt

Is there precedence for a defendant firing their attorney after only the first day of trial? I would be weighting that option if I were Killerman.

I think they are going for appeal grounds for ineffective counsel.

74 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:35:32am

A Guardian columnist breaks ranks:

75 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:35:33am

re: #48 Bulworth

Yeah, pretty disappointed to see so many bloggers I used to frequent back in the day, now on the Twitters going all moonbatty.

Ditto. Rawstory and C&L are both Snowden/GG fanboys. It is disappointing to say the least.

76 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:35:51am

re: #69 darthstar

The Snowden musical interlude…

Youtube Video

77 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:36:19am

re: #69 darthstar

Snowden’s lawyer is now saying he left Hong Kong because he just “wants to live a simple life.”

Who, exactly, is Snowden’s lawyer? Did Wikileaks include one as part of the ‘whistleblower perks’ package?

/ half

78 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:36:23am

re: #62 Dr. Matt

Is there precedence for a defendant firing their attorney after only the first day of trial? I would be weighting that option if I were Killerman.

unfortunately, this isn’t My Cousin Vinny, but it’s sad that the death of this young man is going to be on display through this dog and pony show.

79 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:36:36am

re: #62 Dr. Matt

Is there precedence for a defendant firing their attorney after only the first day of trial? I would be weighting that option if I were Killerman.

If I was a defendant in a court of law and my attorney made a joke on the first day of the trial, I’d immediately tell the court, “Your honor, my counsel is an imbecile, and clearly I need a new one if I’m to receive a fair trial.”

80 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:36:55am

re: #74 Charles Johnson

A Guardian columnist breaks ranks:

Ruh-roh, Raggy.

81 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:38:37am

re: #79 Dr Lizardo

If I was a defendant in a court of law and my attorney made a joke on the first day of the trial, I’d immediately tell the court, “Your honor, my counsel is an imbecile, and clearly I need a new one if I’m to receive a fair trial.”

Bobo the Gorilla was a better lawyer.

82 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:39:08am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Taking a job so you can deliberately steal classified documents =/= being a whistleblower.

When I think of whistleblowers I think of the people at Enron who put themselves at great risk to expose the malfeasance going on there. Snowden’s no whistleblower. He’s an activist who went into BAH with a political agenda and a plan.

83 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:39:32am

I think gives minivans some street cred now:

84 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:40:42am
85 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:42:21am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Wait, so you’re a Tory now? That’s new.

86 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:42:22am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

How long before they start screaming “AVENGE ME!” through the chainlink FEMA camp fence?
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87 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:42:36am

re: #60 Charles Johnson

All the news organizations are saying Snowden took the job to “collect evidence” or “obtain documents.” No, folks. He STOLE these documents. Why is this supposed to be something we can’t say?

Even if you think he was right to do this, just admit it. He stole these top secret documents. Period.

And he did not even expose any malfeasance.

88 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:42:39am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

DivinorumStudios @DivinorumStudio

#Libertarian #911truth #Occupy #FreeJahar Pro-Constitution. Pro-Liberty. I’m intense!

He or she (not many ‘she’ libertarians) misspelled ‘insane’.

89 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:43:04am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Oh god. Anyone who describes themselves as intense is a Kanye West level douchebag. Now, if this guy has Kayne West level skills, that’ll make up for it, but somehow I doubt it.

90 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:44:38am

re: #82 Lidane

Taking a job so you can deliberately steal classified documents =/= being a whistleblower.

When I think of whistleblowers I think of the people at Enron who put themselves at great risk to expose the malfeasance going on there. Snowden’s no whistleblower. He’s an activist who went into BAH with a political agenda and a plan.

Not sure what kind of plan it was beyond stealing classified documents and making them available to those outside the US for perusal. Because it seems that Snowden’s plan and what to do ended the moment he went to Hong Kong. Now? It’s not a plan. He’s now a pawn for use by Wikileaks or other outsiders, and pawns are disposable when their utility is used up.

Even Greenwald’s going to have to cut ties with him before long, because he may well end up facing charges for acting as he has, and communicating with Snowden, since February (and Snowden took the job at the NSA in March with intent to carry out the thefts of classified information).

91 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:44:40am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Well, I think the Tories got a bit of a bad rap anyway.

/kinda snarky

92 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:45:25am

re: #89 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

He spells America with a K. That is so intense.
/

93 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:45:49am

Ugh. Can I offer up an OT bitch for a moment?


This is the kind of bullshit that makes me truly loathe the Texas GOP.

I sincerely hope that all the Republican voters around here are happy with the cruelty on display by the GOP here in my state. This is the kind of garbage you support when you keep sending these assholes to elective office.

94 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:46:16am

re: #88 wrenchwench

911TROOF!

And Free Jahar. No idea who or what Jahar is, but free ‘em anyway.

95 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:46:42am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Glennzilla is going full PeeWee Herman.

96 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:46:47am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

97 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:46:48am

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

So far, the only malfeasance we’ve got is Snowden’s actions. The NSA, despite Socky McSockpuppet’s protestations to the contrary, has thus far acted according to the law - no actual violations of the law. Greenwald has made much of the fact that he’s warning of potential malfeasance and warning that these things may come to pass. But may come to pass is not the same as having occurred.

Huge difference. One’s a theoretical. The other is a crime.

And you know what isn’t theoretical? That Snowden appears to have violated multiple federal criminal statutes under the Espionage Act.

98 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:47:21am

re: #94 Bulworth

911TROOF!

And Free Jahar. No idea who or what Jahar is, but free ‘em anyway.

That’s the terrorist who bombed the Boston Marathon.

99 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:47:47am

re: #97 lawhawk

Greenwald has made much of the fact that he’s warning of potential malfeasance and warning that these things may come to pass.

Also, too: “there’s more coming” in the way of documents. What happened to that?

/

100 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:47:48am

re: #90 lawhawk

Not sure what kind of plan it was beyond stealing classified documents and making them available to those outside the US for perusal. Because it seems that Snowden’s plan and what to do ended the moment he went to Hong Kong. Now? It’s not a plan. He’s now a pawn for use by Wikileaks or other outsiders, and pawns are disposable when their utility is used up.

Even Greenwald’s going to have to cut ties with him before long, because he may well end up facing charges for acting as he has, and communicating with Snowden, since February (and Snowden took the job at the NSA in March with intent to carry out the thefts of classified information).

yes, but they’ll always refer to him in the past tense with a tear in their eyes, that has to count for something right? Maybe someone in Wyoming will name a high school after him…..

101 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:48:15am

12-Year-Old Girl Kicked Off Football Team Because Boys Had ‘Impure Thoughts’ About Her

A private school outside Atlanta recently informed 12-year-old Madison Baxter that she would not be welcome at tryouts for the 7th-grade football team, even though she started on the sixth-grade team and has been playing football since second grade. The reason she won’t be allowed on the field? Because her male teammates are beginning to have “impure thoughts” about her, Strong Rock Christian Academy school administrator Patrick Stuart told Baxter’s mother.

102 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:48:17am

re: #94 Bulworth

911TROOF!

And Free Jahar. No idea who or what Jahar is, but free ‘em anyway.

You would never ever guess…

103 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:49:12am

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Good grief…

I’d forgotten already. The bomber’s name, that is.

104 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:49:18am

Ooooooo-k

105 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:49:35am

Question: Was Snowden already in Hong Kong when GG first published?

106 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:49:49am
107 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:49:53am

re: #94 Bulworth

911TROOF!

And Free Jahar. No idea who or what Jahar is, but free ‘em anyway.

The thing is you, you only get with your free Jahar with the purchase of one Jahar at the normal price.

108 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:50:31am

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

Exactly. Who’s engaging in double-speak now?

109 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:50:57am

re: #101 Kragar

12-Year-Old Girl Kicked Off Football Team Because Boys Had ‘Impure Thoughts’ About Her

Why don’t they just fit her with a burqa that still lets her play the game?

Oh wait. Sorry. Got my religious fanatics confused for a moment there.

110 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:51:18am

re: #102 wrenchwench

Oh boy…

111 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:52:39am

re: #101 Kragar

12-Year-Old Girl Kicked Off Football Team Because Boys Had ‘Impure Thoughts’ About Her

Had this upthread: I think the school is more worrlied about a repeat Steubenville scandal than any concerns about purity of cerebral functions…

112 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:52:53am

re: #91 Bulworth

There was no particular shame in being a Tory.

Say you’d just moved to the States a few years ago, you’d heard about the trouble with taxes but, hell, when isn’t there trouble with taxes? You don’t really understand about the quartering troops in people’s homes stuff, because it hasn’t been reported on much except by those very anti-Monarchist papers that you don’t read. You’ve got a wife and kids, and if these revolutionary idiots start trouble, they could get hurt and killed.

These people are living in a wealthy, educated society, and they’re whining about it, all the while protected by the armies of Britain. And they own slaves! They own thousands and thousands and thousands of slaves and they’re whining about freedom? Is this some sort of elaborate joke? When you immigrated here, you thought that the Northern states were much different than the Southern but apparently they’re all happy to fight together against taxes but the abolitionists don’t think the actual freedom of their fellow man is worth fighting for against the slave-owners!

The above is basically the biography of the ancestor of a friend of mine, which he discovered when he went back to research his history. It really made him think. The guy was a really nice guy, he tithed 10% of his income not to the church but to the poor, he was close to a pacifist, he abhorred slavery. He also, when the government changed, didn’t hold any grudge or bitterness, he remained abolitionist and passed those values down to his children and grandchildren who wound up fighting for the Union in the Civil War, thus fulfilling his desire for an anti-slavery war.

113 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:53:01am
114 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:53:15am
115 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:53:25am

re: #110 Bulworth

Well, you know, the late Richard Ramirez (the Night Stalker) had lots of adoring fans too.

And they were just as batshit insane as Jahar’s would-be supporters.

116 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:54:03am

re: #102 wrenchwench

You would never ever guess…

O_o

117 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:54:42am

Little weasel:

The Guardian’s Tania Branigan in Hong Kong reports that more details have emerged about Snowden’s last few days there:

Albert Ho, a solicitor who acted for the former NSA contractor in Hong Kong, told the Guardian that Snowden had asked him to make inquiries of the authorities about their intentions.

“I talked to government officials on Friday seeking verification of whether they really wanted him to go, and in case they really wanted him to go, whether he would be given safe passage,” Ho said.

Snowden made up his mind on Friday to leave for Moscow, Ho said.

“It was evident that extradition proceedings would begin quite quickly,” he said.

Another source with knowledge of events in Hong Kong said Snowden appeared nervous when he left and that he was not sure whether he might be heading into a trap. “It happened very suddenly, in one or two days. Before that he was thinking of staying and fighting the case,” the source said. “He well understood what the different situations were and the consequences. Things were changing all the time. He knew that he was in trouble, but he didn’t panic. He understood the consequences of what he had done, making enemies of many people, but he didn’t regret it.”

Ho said he las saw Snowden on Tuesday last week. “He was rather relaxed when I saw him. We had a birthday party for him. I didn’t know it was around his birthday so I bought pizza and fried chicken so we could have dinner together. We toasted him - but he drank Pepsi instead of red wine. We talked about American and international politics and countries where he could seek asylum. He seemed to have done a lot of research and mentioned a number of countries.”

Ho said Snowden described the place he was staying in Hong Kong as “a very small place”, “but he was OK, with his computer he could communicate with people”.

guardian.co.uk

118 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:55:06am

DERP

119 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:56:34am

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

DERP

“Note to self. Never fake quote Thomas Jefferson when Alouette’s around.”
—Benjamin Franklin

120 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:56:39am

re: #101 Kragar

I really wish a metro area school would step up and let her try out for their team. Or someone from the Falcons organization show her some support. Her dream is to be one of the first females to get a college football scholarship. She’s being told no in middle school, after they already let her play. Until she hit puberty and began developing, which is what started this IMO. I’m not sure what legal standing her parents have to sue since this is a private school, not a public one. Those impure thoughts say a lot about someone, and it’s not the young lady in question here.

121 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:57:02am

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

DERP

I’m suspicious of any hashtag called BANG.

122 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:57:16am

re: #119 darthstar

“Note to self. Never fake quote Thomas Jefferson when Alouette’s around.”
—Benjamin Franklin

I thought all the Fake Quote tweeters blocked me.

123 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:57:53am

re: #121 Kragar

I’m suspicious of any hashtag called BANG.

What about a hashtag called DERP?

124 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:57:54am

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

Comments: We currently have no evidence that Thomas Jefferson said or wrote, “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it” or any of its listed variations.

Thats becuz you are biazed against America and David Barton, the only real Historian of American history!

125 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 10:59:13am

re: #119 darthstar

“Note to self. Never fake quote Thomas Jefferson when Alouette’s around.”
—Benjamin Franklin

Never believe everything you read on the internet - Abraham Lincoln

126 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:00:02am

re: #109 Lidane

Why don’t they just fit her with a burqa that still lets her play the game?

Oh wait. Sorry. Got my religious fanatics confused for a moment there.

If the little floozie is going to go about in pads and helmet, she’s just asking for it.

127 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:01:39am

re: #111 Sol Berdinowitz

Had this upthread: I think the school is more worrlied about a repeat Steubenville scandal preserving patriarchy than any concerns about purity of cerebral functions…

FTFY

128 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:01:49am

POLL: Americans Oppose The Use Of ‘Killer Robots’ In Combat

Pff, I for one welcome our BOLO overlords.

129 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:02:20am

re: #125 b.d.

Never believe everything you read on the internet - Abraham Lincoln

Brawndo—Verily, it has Electrolytes.

— William Shakespeare

130 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:02:24am
131 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:02:57am
132 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:03:36am
133 makeitstop  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:03:59am

re: #101 Kragar

12-Year-Old Girl Kicked Off Football Team Because Boys Had ‘Impure Thoughts’ About Her

I find it interesting that a ‘Christian Academy’ has a CEO.

134 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:07:22am

re: #133 makeitstop

I find it interesting that a ‘Christian Academy’ has a CEO.

One with an eye on the bottom line, so to speak…

135 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:07:48am

re: #130 darthstar

Holy shit. If all that gets admitted he’s toast. That’s revolting. I hadn’t heard that before. He just fucking killed the kid and he called him a punk? Am I reading that right? He kills him and then calls him a punk?

136 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:08:19am

re: #128 Kragar

POLL: Americans Oppose The Use Of ‘Killer Robots’ In Combat

Pff, I for one welcome our BOLO overlords.

Any American with a CIB has a right to an opinion on robots in combat.

137 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:09:05am

re: #130 darthstar

Wish they’d stop calling it the “Trayvon Trial”. Zimmerman is the one being tried for murder.

138 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:10:21am

re: #134 Sol Berdinowitz

Prosperity christianity has to be run like a business, you know.

139 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:11:22am

re: #138 Justanotherhuman

Prosperity christianity has to be run like a business, you know.

Blessed are the profitmakers.

140 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:12:54am

re: #139 Sol Berdinowitz

Blessed are the profitmakers.

FUCK! I’ve been making cheese this whole time!

141 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:13:14am

re: #135 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Holy shit. If all that gets admitted he’s toast. That’s revolting. I hadn’t heard that before. He just fucking killed the kid and he called him a punk? Am I reading that right? He kills him and then calls him a punk?

He had to restore the honor of the neighborhood. By killing a kid.

Like ya do.

142 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:13:40am

re: #140 Kragar

FUCK! I’ve been making cheese this whole time!

We can boost sales if we put it in a spray can…

143 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:14:25am

re: #135 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Holy shit. If all that gets admitted he’s toast. That’s revolting. I hadn’t heard that before. He just fucking killed the kid and he called him a punk? Am I reading that right? He kills him and then calls him a punk?

I change my assessment of the likely outcome and understand now why the DA went for second-degree murder charges.

144 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:15:57am

Snowden’s Attorney: ‘He Never Anticipated This Would Be Such A Big Matter’

One of Edward Snowden’s attorneys is portraying the NSA leaker as a “kid” who went to Hong Kong without a plan and underestimated the amount of attention he would receive after he revealed himself as the source of the government leaks earlier in the month.

Albert Ho, a partner at a prominent Hong Kong law firm, spoke to the New York Times about how the plans unfolded over the last week for Snowden to leave Hong Kong.

“He’s a kid, I really think he’s a kid, I think he never anticipated this would be such a big matter in Hong Kong,” Ho said in the article published Monday. “He enjoys Pepsi, he prefers Pepsi to wine, that’s why I say he’s a kid.”

According to Ho, Snowden was upset to learn that he may have to spend years in prison during litigation over whether he would be granted asylum in Hong Kong or be sent to the United States. He was particularly scared that he could lose access to his computer.

“He didn’t go out, he spent all his time inside a tiny space, but he said it was O.K. because he had his computer,” Ho said. “If you were to deprive him of his computer, that would be totally intolerable.”

145 freetoken  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:16:03am

re: #143 Sol Berdinowitz

Isn’t a hung jury a real possiblity?

146 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:16:30am

re: #145 freetoken

Isn’t a hung jury a real possiblity?

It’s Flori-duh…..anything is possible.

147 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:16:40am

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

Wish they’d stop calling it the “Trayvon Trial”. Zimmerman is the one being tried for murder.

Trayvon has been on trial for months. Look at what Zimmerman’s attorney got away with saying. Nothing but tainting the jury pool.

148 Mattand  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:17:24am

re: #135 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Holy shit. If all that gets admitted he’s toast. That’s revolting. I hadn’t heard that before. He just fucking killed the kid and he called him a punk? Am I reading that right? He kills him and then calls him a punk?

re: #143 Sol Berdinowitz

I change my assessment of the likely outcome and understand now why the DA went for second-degree murder charges.

Yeah, suddenly I’m rather encouraged. Although what’s amazing is that it sounds like the cops were actually making headway and then just decided “Ah, fuck it. I’m bored” and let him go.

149 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:18:09am

re: #144 Kragar

“He didn’t go out, he spent all his time inside a tiny space, but he said it was O.K. because he had his computer,” Ho said. “If you were to deprive him of his computer, that would be totally intolerable.”

I am thinking Snowden better get used to the intolerable.

150 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:19:30am

re: #144 Kragar

Snowden’s Attorney: ‘He Never Anticipated This Would Be Such A Big Matter’

“Just a kid” but he was making $62/hr.

While other “kids” with similar skill sets and education are making minimum wage.

151 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:19:38am

re: #128 Kragar

POLL: Americans Oppose The Use Of ‘Killer Robots’ In Combat

Pff, I for one welcome our BOLO overlords.

nice Keith Laumer reference but am guessing that the we’re going with the Gundam model these days….

152 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:19:40am
153 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:20:13am

re: #152 darthstar

154 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:21:32am

re: #148 Mattand

re: #143 Sol Berdinowitz

Yeah, suddenly I’m rather encouraged. Although what’s amazing is that it sounds like the cops were actually making headway and then just decided “Ah, fuck it. I’m bored” and let him go.

That was the SYG mentality

155 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:21:48am

re: #147 Joanne

True, but in the court of public opinion, and we know how that well gets poisoned.

156 Mattand  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:21:49am

re: #144 Kragar

Snowden’s Attorney: ‘He Never Anticipated This Would Be Such A Big Matter’

Oh, bullshit. “Kids” don’t get to work at the NSA.

I’m starting to get a little fucking irritated with Snowden. As someone pointed earlier, he and Greenwald have effectively poisoned any legitimate conversation about domestic spying, between misrepresenting the initial NSA slides, and then justifying giving classified documents to China.

I was 29 once. Any mistakes I made weren’t automatically erased because I was a “kid”. If anything, I was constantly reminded I was an adult.

He’s just a kid. Horseshit.

157 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:22:01am

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

“Just a kid” but he was making $62/hr.

While other “kids” with similar skill sets and education are making minimum wage.

Trayvon Martin was a kid. Snowden wasn’t.

158 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:22:41am

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

“Just a kid” but he was making $62/hr.

While other “kids” with similar skill sets and education are making minimum wage.

“Just a kid” plus high security clearance job?

Hard to swallow, unless Booz Allen is just utterly incompetent.

159 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:23:50am


Heh

160 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:26:03am

re: #158 The Ghost of a Flea

“Just a kid” plus high security clearance job?

Hard to swallow, unless Booz Allen is just utterly incompetent.

You know BAH is just loving all this free press they’ve been getting lately.

161 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:26:03am

re: #159 NJDhockeyfan

Heh

SnowdensSeat: I’m ronrey, I’m so ronrey, I’m ronrey and feering arone

162 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:26:42am

DERP

163 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:26:58am

re: #151 piratedan

nice Keith Laumer reference but am guessing that the we’re going with the Gundam model these days….

Hello no.

Adeptus Cybernetica Cohorts is where all the fun is at.

Image: 1336650293718.jpg

164 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:28:07am

Sigh. I am arguing with idiots.

165 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:28:38am
166 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:28:44am

re: #158 The Ghost of a Flea

Booz Allen isn’t blameless here, particularly as they overlooked discrepancies with Snowden’s education background, but they may have something to say to the folks who they outsourced the clearances to. That would be USIS, which is currently under investigation on unrelated matters.

167 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:29:54am

Amnesty International:

USA must not hunt down whistleblower Edward Snowden

The US authorities must not prosecute anyone for disclosing information about the government’s human rights violations, Amnesty International said after Edward Snowden was charged under the Espionage Act.

The organization also believes that the National Security Agency (NSA) whistleblower could be at risk of ill-treatment if extradited to the USA.

“No one should be charged under any law for disclosing information of human rights violations by the US government. Such disclosures are protected under the rights to information and freedom of expression,” said Widney Brown, Senior Director of International Law and Policy at Amnesty International.

“It appears he is being charged by the US government primarily for revealing its and other governments’ unlawful actions that violate human rights.”

168 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:30:57am

Rusty the Red Panda Is Headed Back to the National Zoo After a Chase Around DC

Plea for Hong Kong asylum rejected.

169 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:31:40am

re: #167 NJDhockeyfan

Amnesty International:

USA must not hunt down whistleblower Edward Snowden

Which human right was violated again? The right not to have your phone number show up in a company’s service logs?

170 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:31:58am

re: #167 NJDhockeyfan

Amnesty International:

USA must not hunt down whistleblower Edward Snowden

What human rights violations did he reveal?

171 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:32:08am

re: #168 jaunte

Rusty the Red Panda Is Headed Back to the National Zoo After a Chase Around DC

Plea for Hong Kong asylum rejected.

Stand with Rusty!

172 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:32:45am

re: #171 darthstar

Pandaleaks outraged.

173 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:33:39am

re: #162 Vicious Babushka

It’s true that we’re being greatly embarassed by the Donald.

174 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:36:11am
175 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:36:59am
176 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:37:11am

re: #174 Lidane

Well played Onion.

177 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:37:26am
178 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:38:40am

re: #168 jaunte

The Red Panda, like information, just wants to be free. Damn zoo police state!

179 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:39:50am

re: #175 Joanne

Nothing to see here, pls move along….

//

180 stabby  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:39:52am

re: #130 darthstar

Oh my God!

… Oh my God!

esquire.com

Why the fuck didn’t they arrest him right there?

181 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:40:47am

Gohmert: Kids Don’t Need Sex-Ed Because This Isn’t The Soviet Union

Green, Barton, and Gohmet all repeated the absurd right-wing talking point that the SPLC has been “linked to domestic terrorism,” but Gohmert seemed primarily dismayed by the idea that kids might be learning about sex.

Kids don’t need to learn about these things, Gohmert insisted, because “mankind has existed for a pretty long time without anyone ever having to give a sex-ed lesson to anybody” but now such instruction is commonplace in public schools … and it all reminds him of the Soviet Union:

Oh shut the fuck up Louie. If they had sex ed classes in Texas, maybe dumb fucking rednecks wouldn’t think rape kits were abortions.

182 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:40:54am

WTF did he expect? Stealing classified docs and giving them to other nations isn’t exactly the same thing as stealing some office supplies from work:

183 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:41:09am
184 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:41:10am

re: #180 stabby

Oh my God!

… Oh my God!

esquire.com

Why the fuck didn’t they arrest him right there?

Three letters: S Y G

185 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:41:41am

re: #167 NJDhockeyfan

Amnesty International:

USA must not hunt down whistleblower Edward Snowden

Heh. Amnesty International uses tracking cookies (bottom of the page).

186 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:42:24am
187 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:42:41am

re: #179 Bulworth

I bet we see Snowden wearing a Super Bowl ring in the next released photo.

188 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:43:04am
189 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:43:12am

re: #181 Kragar

Gohmert: Kids Don’t Need Sex-Ed Because This Isn’t The Soviet Union

Oh shut the fuck up Louie. If they had sex ed classes in Texas, maybe dumb fucking rednecks legislators wouldn’t think rape kits were abortions.

FIFY.

190 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:43:39am

Zimmerman’s lawyer trying to get those pesky black people out of the courtroom…and failing.


191 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:44:42am
192 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:44:42am
193 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:45:14am

re: #190 darthstar

Zimmerman’s lawyer trying to get those pesky black people out of the courtroom…and failing.

Joy Reid has been doing a bang up job all day.

194 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:45:49am

re: #188 Vicious Babushka

The very definition of a heroic whistleblowing patriotic American.

/

195 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:45:59am

‘Miami, as We Know It Today, Is Doomed.’

196 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:46:11am

Of course the US knows where he is. (And/Or) Of course the US is going to say where they know where he is.

197 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:46:22am

re: #192 Gus

Why is Sec State Kerry trying to “criminalize journalism”?

/

198 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:46:22am

With all the threats to human existence that these idiots see around every corner, it’s amazing we’re still here:

199 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:47:05am

re: #198 Lidane

Because then everybody would become gay and not procreate. //

200 Mattand  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:47:09am

re: #180 stabby

Oh my God!

… Oh my God!

esquire.com

Why the fuck didn’t they arrest him right there?

As someone pointed out earlier, Stand Your Ground worked its magic fairy dust at some point.

201 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:47:29am

re: #198 Lidane

The Liberty University law school dean, who said that Obama will introduce “forced homosexuality…”

He’s worried about all the mandatory gay marriage.

202 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:47:47am

re: #192 Gus

Kerry on Snowden: “People may die as a consequence to what this man did.”

Yep, people like Snowden.

203 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:47:51am

re: #198 Lidane

Because then Staver’s loving God of grace would get mad and have to destroy everybody. /

204 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:48:27am

re: #201 jaunte

He’s worried about all the mandatory gay marriage.

Yep. Beecause the straight guy in the White House is going to force teh ghey on everyone else.

WTF.

205 Stanghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:48:39am

re: #148 Mattand

re: #143 Sol Berdinowitz

Yeah, suddenly I’m rather encouraged. Although what’s amazing is that it sounds like the cops were actually making headway and then just decided “Ah, fuck it. I’m bored” and let him go.

To the beach.

206 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:48:40am

re: #201 jaunte

He’s worried wistfully dreaming about all the mandatory gay marriage.

FTFY.

207 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:48:40am

re: #198 Lidane

With all the threats to human existence that these idiots see around every corner, it’s amazing we’re still here:

Once gay marriage is legal, jack booted thugs will come to your house, serve you with divorce papers and drag you to a FEMA camp until a new same sex spouse can be found for you.

208 freetoken  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:49:23am

re: #207 Kragar

Once gay marriage is legal, jack booted thugs will come to your house, serve you with divorce papers and drag you to a FEMA camp until a new same sex spouse can be found for you.

And if they can’t find one for you … OFF TO THE GUILLOTINES!

209 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:49:30am

re: #200 Mattand

As someone pointed out earlier, Stand Your Ground worked its magic fairy dust at some point.

I have to wonder if SYG would have been played has Martin been a white kid.

210 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:49:36am

re: #201 jaunte

He’s worried about all the mandatory gay marriage.

AFTER HE TAEKS AWAY ARE GUNZ, OBAMA WILL FORCE EVRY GD FEARING RED BLOODED AMERICAN TO GAY-MARRY AN ILLEGAL ALIEN!!11!!

211 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:49:59am

re: #203 Bulworth

Because then Staver’s loving God of grace would get mad and have to destroy everybody. /

I’m just curious, but when did Staver, Fischer, Scott Lively, etc., start worshiping He Who Walks Behind The Rows?

Any ideas?

212 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:50:41am

DERP

213 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:50:58am

Matt Staver and Liberty Council always remind me of this old Onion article:

Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?

214 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:51:41am

re: #210 Vicious Babushka


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215 Mattand  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:52:04am

re: #207 Kragar

Once gay marriage is legal, jack booted thugs will come to your house, serve you with divorce papers and drag you to a FEMA camp until a new same sex spouse can be found for you.

As long as he’s cute.

216 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:52:10am

re: #204 Lidane

Yep. Beecause the straight guy in the White House is going to force teh ghey on everyone else.

WTF.

Is this before or after he tries to take all of our Gunz?

217 krypto  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:52:24am

This certainly explains why so much of what Greenwald and Snowdon claimed turned out to be far from the realities in the NSA program — even though those two still have plenty of followers eager to believe their claims.

Snowdon’s pretense of being some serious employee who was so shocked by what he saw that he had to speak out was always fake. Instead, he took the job for the specific purpose of stealing whatever he could pass off as confirmation of what he and Greenwald already wanted to convince others of, and they were hardly above spinning and misrepresenting to serve their agenda.

218 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:52:39am

re: #212 Vicious Babushka

And what do you know, this also so happens to be what Bryan believes. Amazing. This believing in God stuff is just great.

//

219 Mattand  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:53:38am

re: #209 Joanne

I have to wonder if SYG would have been played has Martin been a white kid.

Hell, no. If Martin had been white, Zimmerman would already be cooling his heels in a FL prison.

Of course, the flip side to that is if Martin had been white, he wouldn’t have been stalked and murdered in cold blood.

220 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:53:46am
221 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:54:38am

re: #217 krypto

I’m still waiting for the “more information” they’ve been promising that is still to be released. //

222 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:55:07am

re: #216 piratedan

Is this before or after he tries to take all of our Gunz?

After. If people were armed they’d be able to resist Teh Ghey before it’s forced on them.

223 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:55:12am
224 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:55:24am
225 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:55:31am

re: #218 Bulworth

And what do you know, this also so happens to be what Bryan believes. Amazing. This believing in God stuff is just great.

//

Jesus would have said:

“You shall not oppress the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.” [Exodus 23:9]

226 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:55:42am

re: #181 Kragar

Gohmert: Kids Don’t Need Sex-Ed Because This Isn’t The Soviet Union

Oh shut the fuck up Louie. If they had sex ed classes in Texas, maybe dumb fucking rednecks wouldn’t think rape kits were abortions.

Um, what?

Seriously, at what point did paranoid schizophrenia qualify a person for holding public office?

227 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:56:29am

re: #174 Lidane

The Court’s “delay” in releasing its DOMA and SSM cases may actually benefit the immigration fight in the long term. If the court rules that DOMA can’t discriminate against gay persons, and SSM is upheld, the issue gets excluded from the immigration fight as a poison pill.

Put another way, the delay may help get the immigration bill passed because the socons wont be able to use gay marriage to defang or thwart a compromise deal that has the support of many in Congress.

228 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:56:38am

re: #225 Vicious Babushka

Jesus would have said:

“You shall not oppress the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.” [Exodus 23:9]

Bryan strikes me as more of an old testament kinda guy, just sayin’

229 Lidane  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:57:01am

re: #225 Vicious Babushka

Jesus would have said:

“You shall not oppress the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.” [Exodus 23:9]

Pfft. That’s from the Old Testament. Everyone knows that part became invalid when Jesus came around. Well, except for the parts about the gays and the age of the Earth. Those still count. The rest? Not so much.

/Fischer

230 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:57:32am

re: #228 piratedan

Bryan strikes me as more of an old testament kinda guy, just sayin’

That quote is from the “Old Testament.” You know, the only scripture that Jesus was taught from.

231 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:57:40am
232 darthstar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:58:13am

re: #193 Joanne

Joy Reid has been doing a bang up job all day.

She ripped Glenn Greenwald a new asshole last week so bad he could barely get a tweet out in reply.

233 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:58:18am

re: #128 Kragar

POLL: Americans Oppose The Use Of ‘Killer Robots’ In Combat

Pff, I for one welcome our BOLO overlords.

Ban Proximity Fuses!

234 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:58:19am

Three exclamation points is the charm.

235 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:58:23am

re: #225 Vicious Babushka

Jesus would have said:

“You shall not oppress the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.” [Exodus 23:9]

I think Bryan worships the Jesus from the same alternate dimension as the Evil Goatteed Spock from Star Trek episode Mirror, Mirror

236 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:58:29am

re: #225 Vicious Babushka

Bryan’s Bible is like Jefferson’s Bible, except Bryan’s Bible has all the do-gooder passages about helping the poor, the widow, the orphan and the stranger cut out.

237 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:58:30am

re: #229 Lidane

And the bits about what clothes to wear, your hair styles, and what food you can or can’t eat (here’s a hint - if you dig on swine and shellfish (among others), you’re not following the Bible Old Testament style).

238 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:58:34am

@gangrey is live tweeting the Zimmerman trial. Good stuff.

239 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:58:38am

re: #224 NJDhockeyfan

You’re posting Mother Jones?!? I take back everything I’ve said about you…

///

240 Gus  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:59:05am

“All I can say right now is the US government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or ­murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped.”

1 week later.

“Dude, man. Like what’s the big deal man!?”

241 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:59:08am

re: #236 Bulworth

Bryan’s Bible is like Jefferson’s Bible, except Bryan’s Bible has all the do-gooder passages about helping the poor, the widow, the orphan and the stranger cut out.

Bryan’s Bible has all those Fake quotes in it, of stuff that Jesus never said.

242 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:59:18am

re: #217 krypto

This certainly explains why so much of what Greenwald and Snowdon claimed turned out to be far from the realities in the NSA program — even though those two still have plenty of followers eager to believe their claims.

Snowdon’s pretense of being some serious employee who was so shocked by what he saw that he had to speak out was always fake. Instead, he took the job for the specific purpose of stealing whatever he could pass off as confirmation of what he and Greenwald already wanted to convince others of, and they were hardly above spinning and misrepresenting to serve their agenda.

So he was James O”Keefe pretending to be a pimp analyst?

243 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:00:25pm

re: #228 piratedan

Bryan strikes me as more of an old testament kinda guy, just sayin’

He selects the most petty, vindictive and reactionary apsects of either Testament to amek his points

244 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:00:32pm

re: #240 Gus

Seriously, dude, what’s the fuss about? /

245 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:00:49pm

re: #181 Kragar

Gohmert: Kids Don’t Need Sex-Ed Because This Isn’t The Soviet Union

Oh shut the fuck up Louie. If they had sex ed classes in Texas, maybe dumb fucking rednecks wouldn’t think rape kits were abortions.

also explains why a certain Texas legislator believes emergency rooms have rape kits that can “clean up” violated lady parts…

246 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:01:12pm

I’m just laughing my ass off here…

Youtube Video

247 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:02:11pm

re: #230 Vicious Babushka

That quote is from the “Old Testament.” You know, the only scripture that Jesus was taught from.

well that would imply that Bryan would actually have read it and taken it to heart, me, I’m an atheist, I see religion is being used constantly as a crutch to separate us from them and perpetuate have from have not.

248 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:03:24pm

re: #198 Lidane

With all the threats to human existence that these idiots see around every corner, it’s amazing we’re still here:

“cannot acknowledge that decision as being a legitimate one” and should treat the Supreme Court as “an illegitimate institution.”

He couldn’t have made it more clear that he and his fellow wingnuts regard the current U.S. government system as illegitimate.

There is going to be blood on the tiles soon. Sigh.

249 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:03:25pm

re: #240 Gus

“Alright, I’m ready to be welcomed home as an American hero now.”

250 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:03:42pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

I’m not going back to check, but one version of Snowden’s vida had him working near the NSA as a Univ of Maryland security guard. There have been so many layers of bullshit in his history that I’m leaving it to a mushroom farmer to sort out.

251 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:05:30pm

re: #181 Kragar

Gohmert: Kids Don’t Need Sex-Ed Because This Isn’t The Soviet Union

Oh shut the fuck up Louie. If they had sex ed classes in Texas, maybe dumb fucking rednecks wouldn’t think rape kits were abortions.

Attempting, but failing, to compose the mandatory Yakov Smirnov “In Soviet Russia…” joke.

Gohmert is that awful.

252 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:05:57pm

re: #251 The Ghost of a Flea

Attempting, but failing, to compose the mandatory Yakov Smirnov “In Soviet Russia…” joke.

Gohmert is that awful.

In Soviet Russia, sex educates you!

253 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:06:09pm
254 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:06:53pm

re: #248 Romantic Heretic

If he and his fellow wingnuts find life in America so intolerable, then perhaps they should look for greener pastures elsewhere.

Times like this make me actually quite happy I’m not a politician or in some public position, because if I were, my reply would be, “Please do leave America, good sir, if you find our fair land so inhospitable.”

“I insist.”

That could cause some…..friction.

255 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:07:56pm

re: #250 Decatur Deb

Here it is:

“[H]e got his first job in an NSA facility, working as a security guard for one of the agency’s covert facilities at the University of Maryland.”
motherjones.com

256 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:08:12pm

They HAVE to be going for ineffective counsel:


I cannot believe that Mr. Jokey Jokester attorney said that.

257 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:08:36pm

DERP

258 jaunte  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:09:52pm

re: #256 Joanne

“He threw the whole planet at my client.”

259 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:09:54pm

re: #256 Joanne

They HAVE to be going for ineffective counsel:


I cannot believe that Mr. Jokey Jokester attorney said that.

So, unless you live in the forest, we are all always armed. Oh, wait. There are lots of big sticks in the forest.

260 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:10:05pm

re: #256 Joanne

Oh, they meant that thing about the concrete sidewalk?

261 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:10:31pm

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

In Soviet Russia, sex educates you!

and we were GRATEFUL for it!

262 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:11:07pm

re: #256 Joanne

I’m worried this case will go the way of Casey Anthony’s….

263 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:11:23pm

re: #128 Kragar

POLL: Americans Oppose The Use Of ‘Killer Robots’ In Combat

Pff, I for one welcome our BOLO overlords.

Awww…does this mean no Skynet?

264 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:11:48pm

re: #254 Dr Lizardo

If he and his fellow wingnuts find life in America so intolerable, then perhaps they should look for greener pastures elsewhere.

Times like this make me actually quite happy I’m not a politician or in some public position, because if I were, my reply would be, “Please do leave America, good sir, if you find our fair land so inhospitable.”

“I insist.”

That could cause some…..friction.

Obviously, needs more lube…

265 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:12:04pm

re: #256 Joanne

They HAVE to be going for ineffective counsel:


I cannot believe that Mr. Jokey Jokester attorney said that.

Seriously?

WTF?

266 b.d.  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:12:29pm

re: #249 Bulworth

“Alright, I’m ready to be welcomed home as an American hero now.”

Glenn, this isn’t going the way you said it would.

267 Bulworth  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:12:37pm

re: #257 Vicious Babushka

When I surrender everything to Jesus, he uses even my mistakes as stepping stones toward his purpose for my life.
— Rick Warren (@RickWarren)
June 24, 2013

Dude’s imaginary life is quite amazing.

268 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:13:49pm

re: #257 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Seriously, that reads like someone prepping the playing field for a forthcoming scandal.

269 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:14:53pm

re: #259 wrenchwench

So, unless you live in the forest, we are all always armed. Oh, wait. There are lots of big sticks in the forest.

The world is just one big Jackie Chan fight sequence with improvised weapons waiting to break out.

270 Kragar  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:15:36pm

re: #249 Bulworth

“Alright, I’m ready to be welcomed home as an American hero now.”

“HEY LOOK A POLICE ESCORT! COOL… wait a sec.”

271 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:15:41pm

re: #209 Joanne

I have to wonder if SYG would have been played has Martin been a white kid.

Or if Martin had been the shooter after being followed and threatened by Zimm.

272 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:16:44pm

re: #258 jaunte

Gravity was his tool. Force was his weapon. Mass was his accomplice. /

273 piratedan  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:18:47pm

re: #267 Bulworth

dear Rick,

I’m using you as an example on how not to live your life, your creator gave you a brain to reason with, use it.

yours theologically,

God

274 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:19:22pm

re: #257 Vicious Babushka

When I surrender everything to Jesus, he uses even my mistakes as stepping stones toward his purpose for my life.

I don’t care much for Mr Warren, but I do kinda appreciate the concept that even my well-intentioned fuckups could help to serve a higher purpose…

275 sagehen  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:20:24pm

re: #148 Mattand

re: #143 Sol Berdinowitz

Yeah, suddenly I’m rather encouraged. Although what’s amazing is that it sounds like the cops were actually making headway and then just decided “Ah, fuck it. I’m bored” and let him go.

IIRC, the investigating officer wanted to charge him, but his boss overruled him (that would be the police chief who had to resign shortly after the protests started).

276 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:20:38pm

re: #260 Bulworth

Oh, they meant that thing about the concrete sidewalk?

Yes. And I confirmed that is what was said.

W. T. F.

277 Joanne  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:21:40pm

re: #271 Eventual Carrion

Had that been the case, Martin would never have gotten bond and the trial would be long over with that 17 year old kind behind bars for life.

278 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:21:42pm

re: #271 Eventual Carrion

Or if Martin had been the shooter after being followed and threatened by Zimm.

Adult men following around adolescent boys in a car always have good intentions.

It is known.

279 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:22:46pm

re: #212 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Leviticus 19:33-34
‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born.”

280 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:24:11pm

re: #272 lawhawk

Gravity was his tool. Force was his weapon. Mass was his accomplice. /

So he was relatively dangerous.

281 sagehen  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:33:28pm

re: #212 Vicious Babushka

DERP

What the scripture *actually* says about illegal aliens:

exodus 22:21:
“You must not mistreat or oppress foreigners in any way. Remember, you yourselves were once foreigners in the land of Egypt.

exodus 23:9
“Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt.

leviticus 19:34
The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

deuteronomy 10:19
And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt.

282 steve_davis  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:35:43pm

re: #20 b.d.

Note to self, accomplice has two cs in it. Three actually.

It stole them from Mississippi. It used to be Mississiccipic.

283 BroncD  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:58:11pm

Andrew Sullivan’s always been pretty evenhanded in his coverage of Greenwald. To an annoying degree, even. “Totally figures” Greenwald would take a crap on him anyway. NO CRITICISM ALLOWED EVER

284 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:41:36pm
285 funky chicken  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 2:53:15pm

re: #2 Sol Berdinowitz

Because they could not get decent staff for that piddling salary.

BS. They paid him over 100K per year. Many, many retired/retiring senior enlisted troops and officers of all branches of the military would have been far more qualified and would have happily taken that job at that pay.

286 funky chicken  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 3:09:07pm

re: #166 lawhawk

Booz Allen isn’t blameless here, particularly as they overlooked discrepancies with Snowden’s education background, but they may have something to say to the folks who they outsourced the clearances to. That would be USIS, which is currently under investigation on unrelated matters.

So this puke didn’t even have a security clearance when some genius in HR decided to hire him? Unfuckingbelievable. Years of BS my husband and other military members have been told about how their possession of solid security clearances will help them secure jobs….just amazing. So companies like BAH hire unqualified folks off the streets and hire some company to grant security clearances on the cheap? Unfuckingbelievable.

287 Cap'n Magic  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:36:13pm

re: #286 funky chicken

Outsourcing is an admission that you can’t do the job at the price you’re willing to pay; or that your fealty to shareholders is more important than your customers/employees.

288 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 5:43:55pm

re: #281 sagehen

Some of you can check me on this, but I believe these commandments all reinforce a tradition in the Middle East to be hospitable to any stranger, even to the point of bringing him into your home, feeding him and giving a place to sleep.

So, Jesus would probably say to an illegal alien, “Come on in, and set a spell. You hungry?”

More to the point is, “What would Jesus say to Bryan Fischer?”

289 teresa  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 6:40:13pm

I love this, I do. Greenwald is an intellectually dishonest, Ayn Rand loving ideologue with an ever expanding ego. He broke the first rule of excellent reporting, he has become part of the story.

This Snowden story is just weird, I am now very curious as to what these discrepancies are in his resume. I can’t wait to find out the rest of his story. We are going to need his story in order to reform the contractor system. This is bad, how many potential Snowden’s are there?

Like I said earlier,great stuff Charles, thanks for keeping me completely updated.

290 Cap'n Magic  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:07:05pm

Now all those who don’t believe the NSA is intercepting and storing your email traffic because it’s ‘illegal’ outside of a super-sekrit warrant:

When you send an email, it goes to the internet service provider, or if you send out communications through Facebook or other social media, those communications have to go somewhere and then get transmitted to the people you want to send them to. A good argument can be made that you don’t have any constitutional protection with respect to those communications, because that information is no longer private. That’s US constitutional law that many people don’t understand.

Shades of The Savage Curtain….

291 Cap'n Magic  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:10:30pm

re: #267 Bulworth

As seen from the inside cover of the album The KBC Band:

Life is a test. Had this been a real life you would been told where to go and what to do.

292 krypto  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:15:56pm

I wonder what Putin might be demanding from the US in return if he does send Snowdon back?

The one thing I feel sure of is that it is not anything good.

293 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:28:28pm

re: #292 krypto

I wonder what Putin might be demanding from the US in return if he does send Snowdon back?

The one thing I feel sure of is that it is not anything good.

Maybe not, but if its something less than our scaling back our ABM defenses we should seriously consider his offer.

294 Cap'n Magic  Mon, Jun 24, 2013 7:28:33pm

re: #292 krypto

Putin has more to lose by agreeing to US demands.


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