Incredible Sci-Fi Short: BEYOND

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It’s absolutely amazing what independent filmmakers can do these days with modern equipment and software. (Not to mention talent!)

Arya is the last remaining member of her family, a lineage with a unique genetic code that grants the ability to survive the folding of temporal and spatial boundaries… In short, she can teleport. Tasked with exploring new planets, she is in search of something that will explain who exactly she is and where she comes from.

Director: Raphael Rogers
Producers: Raphael Rogers, Bianca Malinowski
Talent: Bianca Malinowski, Andrew Varenhorst, Raphael Rogers
Contact: shortfilmbeyond@gmail.com

More Info:
For those interested, I shot this with a Canon c100. Lenses used were the Canon 24mm IS prime, the Canon 50mm 1.4, the 100mm Macro IS 2.8 and the Tokina 11-16mm. By far, most of it was shot on the 24 and the 100. The final shot was done with my trusty 5DII as it was a pickup. There was no crew on this shoot. Just myself and Bianca. The shoot took 3 days and post production took significantly longer. All the visuals were done in after effects. I used Element3D a good amount. Thank you to everyone who helped me out during all the time spent editing. You know who you are.

Raphael’s IMDB: http://imdb.com/name/nm4776738/
Bianca’s IMDB: http://imdb.com/name/nm2841629/
Andrew’s IMDB: http://imdb.com/name/nm2967554/

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582 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:12:58pm
2 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:15:54pm
3 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:18:16pm

Oh man great short film. Beautiful.

4 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:23:30pm

That. Was cool.
Like a work of art.

5 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:23:47pm

I’m really not understanding how anyone could possibly find it shocking that there was mega-tight security at the 2002 Winter Olympics.

I know we all have attention deficit problems these days, but damn.

6 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:25:08pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

I’m really not understanding how anyone could possibly find it shocking that there was mega-tight security at the 2002 Winter Olympics.

I know we all have attention deficit problems these days, but damn.

That’s borderline conspiracy theory territory, there. People reading significance into places it shouldn’t be.

7 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:26:00pm
8 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:26:18pm

Gorgeous film. Part of me has always wanted to be a director (acting was never my thing…I wanted to be the story teller!) and this kind of smart, thoughtful sci fi is exactly what I like.

BTW…the new Gravity trailer looks terrifying.

9 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:27:05pm

And by “a failure to live up to its lofty democratic ideals,” she means making an alliance with an openly fascist group, the Australia First Party, allied with Greece’s Golden Dawn.

10 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:28:01pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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In that first sentence—“white-anting”?

This is a phrase (idiom?) I do not know. Can anyone explain?

11 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:30:04pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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Haha, how in hell can you represent someone when you’re holed up in London in the Eucador embassy anyway?

These people are just so fucking full of themselves…

12 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:30:35pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Anarchists have really got to get better organized.

13 GoatLord  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:30:43pm

re: #10 The Ghost of a Flea

White-ants = termites
Chewed apart maybe?

14 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:30:50pm

re: #10 The Ghost of a Flea

In that first sentence—“white-anting”?

This is a phrase (idiom?) I do not know. Can anyone explain?

White Anting

White-anting is an Australian term for the process of internal erosion of a foundation. It is often used in reference to groups such as political parties or organisations where information from group insiders is ‘leaked’ or used to undermine the goals of the group. The Macquarie Dictionary says the verb “to white-ant” means “to subvert or undermine from within”.

15 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:31:13pm

re: #10 The Ghost of a Flea

In that first sentence—“white-anting”?

This is a phrase (idiom?) I do not know. Can anyone explain?

en.wikipedia.org

An Australian term…

16 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:31:34pm

re: #10 The Ghost of a Flea

In that first sentence—“white-anting”?

This is a phrase (idiom?) I do not know. Can anyone explain?

Either Aussie talk or Wikibabble.

17 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:31:38pm

re: #8 celticdragon

BTW…the new Gravity trailer looks terrifying.

Wow, that’s an intense trailer.

18 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:31:49pm

Youtube Video

19 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:32:04pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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20 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:33:17pm

Whoa hang on. For real?
theatlanticwire.com
A Department of Homeland Security employee who works on, among other things, the procurement of guns and ammunition for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, spends his nights and weekends preparing for a coming race war and advocating for anti-gay causes, according to a new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center. Meet Ayo Kimathi, a.k.a. “the Irritated Genie,” who told his bosses at the DHS that his anti-white, anti-gay site, “War is on the Horizon,” was just an entertainment site that sells concert and lecture videos.

Not sure about Paging this one. This dude has some serious issues.

21 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:34:55pm

re: #19 Gus

They so databased that tweet.///

22 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:35:12pm

re: #21 Political Atheist

They so databased that tweet.///

Shocking!

23 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:36:21pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

White ant= termite, perhaps.

24 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:38:45pm

re: #20 Political Atheist

Whoa hang on. For real?
theatlanticwire.com
A Department of Homeland Security employee who works on, among other things, the procurement of guns and ammunition for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, spends his nights and weekends preparing for a coming race war and advocating for anti-gay causes, according to a new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center. Meet Ayo Kimathi, a.k.a. “the Irritated Genie,” who told his bosses at the DHS that his anti-white, anti-gay site, “War is on the Horizon,” was just an entertainment site that sells concert and lecture videos.

Not sure about Paging this one. This dude has some serious issues.

Do it. The more these people are exposed for what they are and what they represent, the better.

25 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:47:04pm

QuadCityPat’s Musings: The DudeBro Bill of Rights

The DudeBro Bill of Rights

Preamble:

We the Dudebros , in Order to form the most perfect Union, establish Just Us, disrupt domestic Tranquility, Disdain for The Common and Defense, Disdain for Welfare, Secure the blessings of Libertarians to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for Dudebros but not Evil America.

Amendment 1

Dudebros shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, except for the cult of personality as evidenced in the divine visage of Julian Assange and his prophet Bradley Manning. or abridging the freedom of speech, unless its the speech we don’t like especially if it comes from brown people, or of the Dudebro Press Glenn Greenwald and David Sirota , not the evil Mainstream Media. The right of the people to peaceably assemble, unless they’re brown, then they’ll be frisked. And to petition the Government for a redress of grievances, but only our pet grievances, yours don’t matter.

Amendment 2

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed, except those pesky Chicago thugs, they give gun owners a bad name.

Amendment 3

No Soldiers

26 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:47:49pm

re: #20 Political Atheist

Whoa hang on. For real?
theatlanticwire.com
A Department of Homeland Security employee who works on, among other things, the procurement of guns and ammunition for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, spends his nights and weekends preparing for a coming race war and advocating for anti-gay causes, according to a new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center. Meet Ayo Kimathi, a.k.a. “the Irritated Genie,” who told his bosses at the DHS that his anti-white, anti-gay site, “War is on the Horizon,” was just an entertainment site that sells concert and lecture videos.

Not sure about Paging this one. This dude has some serious issues.

He’s mentally ill.

27 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:49:55pm

re: #20 Political Atheist

Whoa hang on. For real?
theatlanticwire.com
A Department of Homeland Security employee who works on, among other things, the procurement of guns and ammunition for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, spends his nights and weekends preparing for a coming race war and advocating for anti-gay causes, according to a new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center. Meet Ayo Kimathi, a.k.a. “the Irritated Genie,” who told his bosses at the DHS that his anti-white, anti-gay site, “War is on the Horizon,” was just an entertainment site that sells concert and lecture videos.

Not sure about Paging this one. This dude has some serious issues.

I wonder how the hell a guy like that gets a security clearance. Anyhow props to the SPLC. They do a helluva job in what they do and it’s thankless.

28 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:52:10pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

QuadCityPat’s Musings: The DudeBro Bill of Rights

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people unless they’re women, blacks, the poor, and centrists, then we can disparage them, cause they just don’t get it man
I like this one given the freak out over Jeff Toobin calling Dave Miranda a mule. These guys call those who dare to disagree with them fascists and sometimes even Nazis but you’re not allowed to criticize them at all.

29 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:56:43pm

The president’s refusal to object to David Miranda’s U.K. detention speaks volumes in the ongoing war on journalism.

30 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:57:36pm
31 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:58:39pm

re: #29 Gus

He can’t really honestly expect Obama to object to that. These people are running such a fucking scam on the naive libertarian left.

32 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:59:04pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

And by “a failure to live up to its lofty democratic ideals,” she means making an alliance with an openly fascist group, the Australia First Party, allied with Greece’s Golden Dawn.

Wowzers, I missed that.

33 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 4:59:49pm


It’s voluntary and you have to apply for a specific drivers license.

34 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:00:59pm

re: #33 Gus

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It’s voluntary and you have to apply for a specific drivers license.

*Drives down street with laptop and wireless modem*

35 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:01:25pm

More BS. It never ends.

36 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:02:21pm

Right now I’m picking up four unsecured wireless connections.
I iz super spy.

37 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:02:25pm

re: #33 Gus

[Embedded content]


It’s voluntary and you have to apply for a specific drivers license.

A voluntary secret chip that can steal your thoughts. THANKS OBAMA.

38 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:03:21pm

Let me say here and now that I truly pit the next person who will be president. The worst is always assumed and never the best.

39 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:03:42pm

re: #29 Gus

The president’s refusal to object to David Miranda’s U.K. detention speaks volumes in the ongoing war on journalism.

I fail to see how the President’s actions can affect the accuracy of most reporting these days.

Oh, you had some other, and imaginary, war on journalism in mind?

40 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:03:59pm

From the Dkos Rec List…
The American Police State: Get Ready For The Next Stage
OMG! Amerikan microchip Illuminati Death Camp!
Image: welcome_to_america.jpg

41 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:04:08pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I wonder how the hell a guy like that gets a security clearance. Anyhow props to the SPLC. They do a helluva job in what they do and it’s thankless.

If he’s just procuring conventional stuff, wouldn’t need a clearance more than a employment background check.

42 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:04:51pm

re: #20 Political Atheist

That’s about as scary as that stupid Stormfront site.

43 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:04:58pm

Did MSNBC read Greenwald’s manifesto as requested?

44 abolitionist  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:05:51pm

C (299,792 km/s) is low-budget short video produced released about 6 months ago that I thot interesting.

C is the story of Lieutenant Commander Malleck and her radical act of mutiny during an interplanetary cold war.

45 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:06:00pm

Later folks. “Bridge on the River Kwai” just started. Here it seems lately that all there is is Madness. Madness.

;)

46 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:07:57pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

If he’s just procuring conventional stuff, wouldn’t need a clearance more than a employment background check.

Ah ok, thought a guy like this would have to get a fairly high one.

47 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:08:40pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

I’m really not understanding how anyone could possibly find it shocking that there was mega-tight security at the 2002 Winter Olympics.

I know we all have attention deficit problems these days, but damn.

For some people the war on terror never happened, it was all a hoax. Downing street memo, jews being warned to leave London before the 7-7 bombings. There’s a segment of the population (see #40) who always thought it was a ruse for the military industrial complex.

48 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:10:46pm

The bill would authorize the department to issue or renew, upon request, an enhanced driver’s license, instruction permit, provisional license, or identification card for specified persons.

49 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:11:40pm

The bill would require a person applying for an enhanced driver’s license, instruction permit, provisional license, or identification card to submit an additional application fee.

50 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:12:00pm

I find it interesting that the lefties freaked out about NSA. After years of drone strikes they seemed relatively unbothered. Bradley Manning had little support outside of the far fringe and he’s a much more sympathetic character than Snowden. I don’t get why all this happens now. At least conservatives waited until bush was out of office to throw him under the bus. Progressives are jumping the gun here.

51 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:12:29pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Ah ok, thought a guy like this would have to get a fairly high one.

Depends on the individual’s specific job needs. They’re really trying to cut back an uncontrollable number of clearances. (Sometimes they lapse and you get them recertified when needed.)

52 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:13:10pm

Image: ThanksObama.gif

53 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:13:40pm

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Depends on the individual’s specific job needs. They’re really trying to cut back an uncontrollable number of clearances. (Sometimes they lapse and you get them recertified when needed.)

Gotcha thanks.

54 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:13:40pm

re: #48 Gus

The bill would authorize the department to issue or renew, upon request, an enhanced driver’s license, instruction permit, provisional license, or identification card for specified persons.

You have destroyed my faith in Mother Jones over the last couple of weeks.

I didn’t have a whole lot of faith, but obviously it was misplaced so thanks for ripping off the blinders.

55 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:13:47pm

The bill would prohibit an employer from requiring an employee to apply for, or use, an enhanced driver’s license or identification card as a condition of employment or to discriminate or otherwise retaliate against an employee who refuses to apply for, or use, an enhanced driver’s license or identification card. Because a violation of this provision would be a crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.

56 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:14:18pm

re: #55 Gus

The bill would prohibit an employer from requiring an employee to apply for, or use, an enhanced driver’s license or identification card as a condition of employment or to discriminate or otherwise retaliate against an employee who refuses to apply for, or use, an enhanced driver’s license or identification card. Because a violation of this provision would be a crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.

CREEPING TOTALITARIANISM!

57 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:14:32pm

re: #52 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Image: ThanksObama.gif

Obama’s why the McRib isn’t a permanent item.// (not a bad thing)

58 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:14:42pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

I find it interesting that the lefties freaked out about NSA. After years of drone strikes they seemed relatively unbothered. Bradley Manning had little support outside of the far fringe and he’s a much more sympathetic character than Snowden. I don’t get why all this happens now. At least conservatives waited until bush was out of office to throw him under the bus. Progressives are jumping the gun here.

My guess is that it is a combination of bright shiny object + pent up frustration at the glacial pace of political progress.

Not that that makes any of this NSA nonsense correct, of course.

59 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:14:46pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

I find it interesting that the lefties freaked out about NSA. After years of drone strikes they seemed relatively unbothered. Bradley Manning had little support outside of the far fringe and he’s a much more sympathetic character than Snowden. I don’t get why all this happens now. At least conservatives waited until bush was out of office to throw him under the bus. Progressives are jumping the gun here.

I seem to remember a few on the left bitching about drones.

60 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:15:01pm

Uh oh. Chris Hayes just started on Bradley Manning. Why am I watching this? I know it’s gonna piss me off.

61 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:15:12pm
62 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:15:51pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

CREEPING TOTALITARIANISM!

I’m now fact checking MOJO like Jim Hoft. Amazing.

63 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:15:54pm

The letter writer is obviously a descendant of Dr. Mengele. To update:

Charges mulled against writer who told Canadian family to ‘euthanize’ autistic son

edition.cnn.com

“The message was delivered to Max’s grandmother’s house, about 15 minutes from the Begley home in Oshawa, a town 40 miles from Toronto. The boy’s father, James, explained that he works and has multiple sclerosis, so Max goes to his grandmother’s three to four times a week.”

What the fuck is wrong with some people?

64 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:16:04pm
65 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:16:05pm

re: #58 EPR-radar

My guess is that it is a combination of bright shiny object + pent up frustration at the glacial pace of political progress.

Not that that makes any of this NSA nonsense correct, of course.

And it’s driven by one strain of lefty—the glibertarians. Sad to see Maddow sucked in.

66 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:17:54pm

Hmm. Hayes isn’t going to have a whole segment on Manning?

Interesting. Ratings taking a dive when he does that, maybe?

67 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:17:55pm

re: #63 Justanotherhuman

The letter writer is obviously a descendant of Dr. Mengele. To update:

Charges mulled against writer who told Canadian family to ‘euthanize’ autistic son

edition.cnn.com

“The message was delivered to Max’s grandmother’s house, about 15 minutes from the Begley home in Oshawa, a town 40 miles from Toronto. The boy’s father, James, explained that he works and has multiple sclerosis, so Max goes to his grandmother’s three to four times a week.”

What the fuck is wrong with some people?

I wish I knew. I just hope the boy didn’t read the letter. I read it and I cringed.

68 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:18:35pm

I wasn’t here when we had Manning talk but he got off lighter than I thought he would. Anyone who thinks he’s being over-punished is fooling themselves.

69 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:18:44pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

And it’s driven by one strain of lefty—the glibertarians. Sad to see Maddow sucked in.

Worse. Most people/journos were sucked in by this.
Mostly due to technological illiteracy.

70 GoatLord  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:19:01pm

OT But
Link

Since when did Doctorow go Moonbatty? I mean I thought he knew better, Confirmation Bias at work?

71 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:20:04pm

re: #70 GoatLord

OT But
Link

Since when did Doctorow go Moonbatty? I mean I thought he knew better, Confirmation Bias at work?

Oh god that pic again.

72 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:20:10pm

re: #63 Justanotherhuman

The letter writer is obviously a descendant of Dr. Mengele. To update:

Charges mulled against writer who told Canadian family to ‘euthanize’ autistic son

edition.cnn.com

“The message was delivered to Max’s grandmother’s house, about 15 minutes from the Begley home in Oshawa, a town 40 miles from Toronto. The boy’s father, James, explained that he works and has multiple sclerosis, so Max goes to his grandmother’s three to four times a week.”

What the fuck is wrong with some people?

They’re allowed to run free.

As a man with 2 autistic family members, I’d like to show the author of that letter the end of my work boot.

73 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:20:23pm


Asshole!

74 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:20:25pm

re: #69 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Worse. Most people/journos were sucked in by this.
Mostly due to technological illiteracy.

It’s like the Y2K freakout combined with an (understandable) paranoia of a big chunk of the US left regarding the US government.

75 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:21:58pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

I wasn’t here when we had Manning talk but he got off lighter than I thought he would. Anyone who thinks he’s being over-punished is fooling themselves.

He could be out in 6 1/2 years. And I wouldn’t rule out Obama commuting his sentence after a year or so.

76 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:23:27pm

re: #74 EPR-radar

It’s like the Y2K freakout combined with an (understandable) paranoia of a big chunk of the US left regarding the US government.

Well, there’s always been that. I think what is with the left though is a lot of them deluded themselves about Obama. Me? I knew that Obama was more hawkish on national security matters than met the eye since he had criticized Iraq not from a dovish pov but from a more realist pov which in fact resembled the positions of several high ranking members from some of Republican administrations proceeding the Bush administration. And I think the old mantra about the Dems falling in love and the Republicans falling in line applies here too.

77 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:23:55pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

He could be out in 6 1/2 years. And I wouldn’t rule out Obama commuting his sentence after a year or so.

Such a tyrant.//

78 Carlos Danger  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:25:07pm

re: #73 Gus

Everything’s coming up wine and roses right now, isn’t it?

79 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:25:09pm

re: #69 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Worse. Most people/journos were sucked in by this.
Mostly due to technological illiteracy.

Some of that is journo pack behavior.

80 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:26:51pm

Honestly though the left wing freak out over this and other things is reminding me why I moved from being sort of far left in Bush’s first term to more center-left in Bush’s second. I may have near universal agreement with these guys on social issues e.g. I’m strongly pro gay marriage, want to end the drug war, strongly support choice, etc but I hate their inability to look at the big picture in international relations and national security.

81 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:29:12pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

And it’s driven by one strain of lefty—the glibertarians. Sad to see Maddow sucked in.

Doesn’t surprise me at all. I figured out long ago she’s reading stuff off the teleprompter written by a staff of writers and segment producers. Like every other pundit on TV, she’s playing a character. I can’t get mad at her personally any more than you could get mad at Archie Bunker. It’s a TV show.

82 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:30:06pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Honestly though the left wing freak out over this and other things is reminding me why I moved from being sort of far left in Bush’s first term to more center-left in Bush’s second. I may have near universal agreement with these guys on social issues e.g. I’m strongly pro gay marriage, want to end the drug war, strongly support choice, etc but I hate their inability to look at the big picture in international relations and national security.

Socially progressive, realistic about foreign affairs, fiscally prudent, and committed to making America work for a larger fraction of its population.

Is that too much to ask for in a political party?

83 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:30:12pm
84 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:30:51pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Doesn’t surprise me at all. I figured out long ago she’s reading stuff off the teleprompter written by a staff of writers and segment producers. Like every other pundit on TV, she’s playing a character. I can’t get mad at her personally any more than you could get mad at Archie Bunker. It’s a TV show.

You certainly are consistent. Wrong, but consistently wrong.

85 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:31:30pm

I’m actually thinking it might be a great idea for Obama to pardon Bradley Manning. Might completely defuse the NSA issue.

86 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:32:34pm

re: #82 EPR-radar

Socially progressive, realistic about foreign affairs, fiscally prudent, and committed to making America work for a larger fraction of its population.

Is that too much to ask for in a political party?

Vote Bull Moose!!1!

87 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:32:52pm

In the future everyone’s eyeballs will be scanned at random intervals in order to deliver targeted advertising directly into their retinas!

Also everyone will have video cameras implanted into their eyeballs to be harvested after they pass away in order to give their loved ones a kickass funeral video!

88 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:33:05pm

re: #82 EPR-radar

Socially progressive, realistic about foreign affairs, fiscally prudent, and committed to making America work for a larger fraction of its population.

Is that too much to ask for in a political party?

Sign me up.

89 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:34:05pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

I’m really not understanding how anyone could possibly find it shocking that there was mega-tight security at the 2002 Winter Olympics.

I know we all have attention deficit problems these days, but damn.

Before long, that’ll be the “seeekrit scandal that forced Mitt Romney to throw the election, ‘cause the Dems were blackmailing him!!1”.

/I hope I’m kidding.

90 RinaX  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:34:41pm

O/T, but I just saw Wentworth Miller trending on twitter and was all, “Oh crap, don’t tell me he’s dead!” But he’s not, so I’m ok.

91 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:34:48pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

I’m actually thinking it might be a great idea for Obama to pardon Bradley Manning. Might completely defuse the NSA issue.

If Manning’s leaks had been confined to revealing cover-ups of improper/illegal US behavior, that would probably be a great idea. However, a pardon for an indiscriminate mass document dump to Wikileaks is much harder to justify, and I don’t think Obama will or should go there.

92 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:36:18pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

Before long, that’ll be the “seeekrit scandal that forced Mitt Romney to throw the election, ‘cause the Dems were blackmailing him!!1”.

/I hope I’m kidding.

Why not? We already have had Glenn Beck claiming that Obama blackmailed John Roberts into affirming ACA. If the past four plus years have taught me anything, it’s that I should never underestimate stupidity when it comes hatred. The blurb today about 44% of Louisiana Republicans being unsure whether to blame Obama or not for Katrina is part of that principle. Now where can I blame Teddy Roosevelt for the Mexican-American War?

93 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:36:44pm

This looks like fun:

new species of glue-spitting velvet worm discovered in Vietnam

94 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:37:03pm
95 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:38:34pm

Pollard will be out before Manning, and for much the same reason—both really pissed off the Intell folks.

96 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:38:56pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Moonbat heads asplode!

97 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:39:08pm

Al Jazeera America covered climate change… with Qatari oil money.

98 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:39:21pm

Been noticing that many of the journalists who follow me get very upset with me when I don’t go along with them on issues like the Guardian hard-drive smashing story, and the Miranda detainment story. It’s a tribe.

99 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:39:29pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Admittedly, an Obama pardon of Manning might cause wingnut head explosions as if it were the 4th of July.

Perhaps I should change my mind. /

100 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:40:15pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Been noticing that many of the journalists who follow me get very upset with me when I don’t go along with them on issues like the Guardian hard-drive smashing story, and the Miranda detainment story. It’s a tribe.

A guild, maybe. The spies must flow.

101 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:40:57pm

re: #100 Decatur Deb

A guild, maybe. The spies must flow.

GG is playing the role of the sand thumper?

102 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:41:27pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

I’m actually thinking it might be a great idea for Obama to pardon Bradley Manning. Might completely defuse the NSA issue.

It’d be absolutely wrong. Manning committed a crime, he must pay. Pardon would show Obama as an anti-American leftist, and he does not wish to be honestly seen as such.

103 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:42:30pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

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I could see Obama shortening his sentence to say..5 years..But why? Manning isn’t a sympathetic figure..90% of America want him to rot in hell..

104 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:45:49pm

re: #103 A Man for all Seasons

I could see Obama shortening his sentence to say..5 years..But why? Manning isn’t a sympathetic figure..90% of America want him to rot in hell..

To put it crudely, executive clemency for Manning would give the Republicans a club to use on the Democrats for no good reason. I still remember the last minute pardons Clinton did, and that was a factor in my vote for W in 2000.

105 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:47:13pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Been noticing that many of the journalists who follow me get very upset with me when I don’t go along with them on issues like the Guardian hard-drive smashing story, and the Miranda detainment story. It’s a tribe.

You’d think they’d be used to it. You follow where the facts go, no matter who that pisses off.

106 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:47:26pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

He’d just rave on forever about how Manning should have never been arrested, tried and convicted.

107 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:47:47pm

re: #104 EPR-radar

To put it crudely, executive clemency for Manning would give the Republicans a club to use on the Democrats for no good reason. I still remember the last minute pardons Clinton did, and that was a factor in my vote for W in 2000.

Yep, they’d use it to validate their whole “Obama is soft on national security” bs that they’ve been doing for years. Honestly, I think Manning’s sentence was fair. As pointed out, he could be out in six and a half years on parole. I think there are literally hundreds of prisoners who Obama should consider pardoning before Manning.

108 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:48:23pm


Coombs is Manning’s lawyer. Like I said earlier, 10.5 years.

109 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:48:49pm

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

He’d just rave on forever about how Manning should have never been arrested, tried and convicted.

I would like him to name a country that wouldn’t have charged Manning. I honestly can’t think of a single one.

110 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:49:46pm

Wait. He says 7 years here.

[Flips desk.]

111 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:50:41pm

re: #103 A Man for all Seasons

I could see Obama shortening his sentence to say..5 years..But why? Manning isn’t a sympathetic figure..90% of America want him to rot in hell..

I seriously doubt Obama will shorten his sentence. That sort of thing is reserved for people who can contribute large sums of money for presidential libraries or do political favors. I do think Manning is a more sympathetic figure than Snowden. Manning seems dull witted, very confused, possibly a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Snowden knew what he was doing, planned it and managed an escape. Much less sympathetic in my book.

112 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:51:50pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Yep, they’d use it to validate their whole “Obama is soft on national security” bs that they’ve been doing for years. Honestly, I think Manning’s sentence was fair. As pointed out, he could be out in six and a half years on parole. I think there are literally hundreds of prisoners who Obama should consider pardoning before Manning.

Probably thousands. There’s lots of people who are serving long sentences for drug crimes due to draconian minimum sentencing guidelines the DOJ is no longer trying to keep in play. Many of these folks deserve sentence reduction more than Manning.

Never going to happen, of course. A Democratic party politician cannot afford to be seen as soft on crime or weak on national security.

113 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:52:36pm

re: #97 Gus

Al Jazeera America covered climate change… with Qatari oil money.

They also did a segment on pot legalization, I think there was some gay rights stuff too. They have an audience to target.

114 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:53:07pm

Youtube Video

Later, lizards.

115 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:53:17pm

re: #112 EPR-radar

Starting with the FL woman doing 20 for a sloppy warning shot.

116 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:54:03pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

They also did a segment on pot legalization, I think there was some gay rights stuff too. They have an audience to target.

One being former CurrentTV viewers.

117 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:54:33pm

re: #110 Gus

Wait. He says 7 years here.

[Flips desk.]

I don’t think it makes much difference for such a high profile case. He may end up serving his entire sentence, military justice takes this sort of thing seriously.

118 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:54:47pm

re: #110 Gus

Wait. He says 7 years here.

[Flips desk.]

Yeah, that’s pretty close to what kirkspencer wrote earlier. I checked out the UCMJ and I think kirk was actually more correct - it looks to me like he’d be eligible in about 6.5 years if he gets all the time off for good behavior.

119 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:54:51pm

Would it be fair to say that Greenwald, and Assange are like the Pied-Pipers, using lefty cultural cues to lead them towards the Pauls?
Civil liberties abuses, governmental over- reach, anti war rhetoric; this all sounds great, and Paul is shouting this stuff to the roof- tops.
Scratch the surface though…
And the left hasn’t been scratching the surface as of late.

120 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:55:04pm

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Starting with the FL woman doing 20 for a sloppy warning shot.

That should be a matter for the FL governor, not the US president, unless that was a federal case.

121 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:55:09pm

re: #112 EPR-radar

Probably thousands. There’s lots of people who are serving long sentences for drug crimes due to draconian minimum sentencing guidelines the DOJ is no longer trying to keep in play. Many of these folks deserve sentence reduction more than Manning.

Never going to happen, of course. A Democratic party politician cannot afford to be seen as soft on crime or weak on national security.

Yep, that’s who I was thinking of and you’d be right, the number is more closer to the thousands. And it sucks that politicians and parties have to be worried about being seen on tough on crime. I understand wanting violent criminals going away a long time but I feel for those prisoners punished under those minimum sentence laws.

122 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:55:11pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

I would like him to name a country that wouldn’t have charged Manning. I honestly can’t think of a single one.

Of course not. People like Greenie think they should commit crimes and never have to pay a penalty at all. Thus, the big brouhaha about Miranda, who probably had never been to Berlin in his entire life, esp by himself. I think those amateurs actually thought he wouldn’t raise red flags.

Why don’t we just throw out every law that ever came down the pike, while we’re at it? Total anarchy turns asshats like GG on, in theory, while at the same time, they’d act like this: Youtube Video

123 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:57:07pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

I don’t think it makes much difference for such a high profile case. He may end up serving his entire sentence, military justice takes this sort of thing seriously.

Well, if that’s the case then it would be less than 31.5 years because he’s eligible for time off for good behavior. Given that it went all the way from 126 years to 31.5 years is an indication that the Army didn’t come down too hard on him.

124 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:57:29pm

re: #119 OhNoZombies!

Would it be fair to say that Greenwald, and Assange are like the Pied-Pipers, using lefty cultural cues to lead them towards the Pauls?
Civil liberties abuses, governmental over- reach, anti war rhetoric; this all sounds great, and Paul is shouting this stuff to the roof- tops.
Scratch the surface though…
And the left hasn’t been scratching the surface as of late.

I don’t know about that. But anyone who votes for Rand Paul and calls themselves a progressive should forfeit that right as soon as that thought enters their head. The man has said that he would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That alone is why anyone with a functioning brain left of center should find Rand Paul nasty.

125 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:58:28pm

re: #116 Gus

One being former CurrentTV viewers.

The Dkos reviews yesterday seemed positive. I did read a review (I think from Slate) complaining that the tone was too dry, not enough flashy graphics and too much discussion from panelists. Al Jazz may be able to hang on but I don’t think it’ll be successful in its present format. Americans want flashy graphics and angry people. Populism sells.

126 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 5:59:24pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

I don’t know about that. But anyone who votes for Rand Paul and calls themselves a progressive should forfeit that right as soon as that thought enters their head. The man has said that he would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That alone is why anyone with a functioning brain left of center should find Rand Paul nasty.

But actually, Assange and Greenwald, until their views were more closely examined, actually did attract a lot of lefties, and until Assange actually made those statements about Paul, he was still seen as a victim.

127 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:00:58pm

re: #126 Justanotherhuman

But actually, Assange and Greenwald, until their views were more closely examined, actually did attract a lot of lefties, and until Assange actually made those statements about Paul, he was still seen as a victim.

Honestly to me the thing that pisses me off about Assenge is him thinking that people who collaborate with the U.S government deserve to die. He’s free to be Ron/Rand Paul’s best friend that side of Australia but thinking people deserve to die because they want to make their country free of the Taliban is demented.

128 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:01:08pm

re: #120 EPR-radar

That should be a matter for the FL governor, not the US president, unless that was a federal case.

Gov Valdemort? Yeah.

129 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:01:23pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

I don’t know about that. But anyone who votes for Rand Paul and calls themselves a progressive should forfeit that right as soon as that thought enters their head. The man has said that he would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That alone is why anyone with a functioning brain left of center should find Rand Paul nasty.

I agree with you, but I don’t see much thinking.
I see piss poor arguments, and very little understanding about how government works.
Lots of focus one issue: the one that effects them personally.

130 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:01:57pm

re: #129 OhNoZombies!

I agree with you, but I don’t see much thinking.
I see piss poor arguments, and very little understanding about how government works.
Lots of focus one issue: the one that effects them personally.

Well the good news is Rand likes to talk about his retrograde economic views a lot so maybe that will wake up those idiots who think he’s a friend of the left the hell up.

131 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:03:48pm

re: #129 OhNoZombies!

I agree with you, but I don’t see much thinking.
I see piss poor arguments, and very little understanding about how government works.
Lots of focus one issue: the one that effects them personally.

More like the issue they ‘think’ affects them personally.

132 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:04:00pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Well the good news is Rand likes to talk about his retrograde economic views a lot so maybe that will wake up those idiots who think he’s a friend of the left the hell up.

Anytime people start talking about “Austrian” anything, my bullshit meter hits the red zone.

133 Lidane  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:04:03pm

OK, this is awesome. Green Day held a contest for the best animated video to their new song “Nuclear Family”. This is the winning entry:

Youtube Video

I love it. Very cute and funny. And there’s even fanservice, since there are references to most of Green Day’s albums from 1:45-2:00.

134 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:04:13pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Well the good news is Rand likes to talk about his retrograde economic views a lot so maybe that will wake up those idiots who think he’s a friend of the left the hell up.

Hope so.
I have a growing concern about the mid term elections.

135 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:05:14pm

re: #134 OhNoZombies!

Hope so.
I have a growing concern about the mid term elections.

Mid-term elections generically have an electorate that favors the GOP more than in presidential election years.

136 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:06:21pm

Oh look. More crazy…

Hence, in Schindler world it will take weeks to months before they can finally nail Greenwald, and send the SAS to blackbag Glenn in Rio and ship him to the U.S. to face ‘justice’. Until then, Charles Johnson, @LibertyLynx, and yourselves will all have to continue fantasizing privately about what Mike Grunwald at least had the balls to say publically: the glorious day when Uncle Sam will finally drop Hellfire missiles on Assange and Greenwald. And David Michael Miranda and his American lover remain free men, humiliating the combined might of the ECHELON Anglosphere!

The fate of Airstrip One (minus the explosion, hopefully)?

137 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:06:32pm

re: #132 Justanotherhuman

Anytime people start talking about “Austrian” anything, my bullshit meter hits the red zone.

Except schnitzel………….But yeah Austrian economics, Ludwig Von Mises, etc.

138 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:06:33pm

re: #135 EPR-radar

Mid-term elections generically have an electorate that favors the GOP more than in presidential election years.

All the sweeter when we overcome that.

139 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:07:04pm

re: #135 EPR-radar

Mid-term elections generically have an electorate that favors the GOP more than in presidential election years.

That’s why a lot of money has to be spent on GOTV by Dems. There’s a hell of a lot at stake if we’re going to break the stalemate in Congress and get anything else accomplished.

140 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:07:31pm

The only real argument for keeping Manning in jail for a long time is the effect on military discipline and morale if he were released early. He’s not a threat to anyone. He was a pawn.

I’m not really down with punishing people just for revenge, but I understand the effect on the military if he gets early release.

141 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:07:37pm

re: #134 OhNoZombies!

Hope so.
I have a growing concern about the mid term elections.

Mid-terms won’t tell the full story but I’m hoping like hell we don’t elect Dumb and Dumber governor and lt governor here. I still can’t believe the Dems couldn’t find someone more likable than Terry McAullife but alas at least he’s not insane.

142 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:07:40pm

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Starting with the FL woman doing 20 for a sloppy warning shot.

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Alexander’s defenders have a case that her sentence is excessive. Her 20-year prison term is mandatory under Florida’s “10-20-Life” statute, which established a minimum 20-year sentence for discharging a firearm while committing a “forcible felony,” any felony that “involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.” But it does not take a thorough knowledge of the law to recognize a difference between Alexander’s “assault” and more common instances of that particular crime. Take into account that Alexander had no prior convictions and was not a threat to the “public” (just to her husband), and some of the outrage is understandable. Cases like this bring the wisdom of mandatory minimum sentences into question and show how important it is that judges and prosecutors have recourse to more lenient sentencing.

Alas, leniency is not Angela Corey’s strong suit. But Florida’s best-known prosecutor has pointed out that Alexander rejected a plea deal that would have reduced her sentence to three years. Alexander preferred to go to trial — where it took jurors twelve minutes to return a guilty verdict.

Twelve minutes of jury deliberation suggests something besides “institutional racism,” particularly when the six-person jury, split evenly among men and women, included an African American man. It suggests strong evidence and an undeniable conclusion. Twenty years in prison is excessive, but the jury’s verdict was the right one.

Read the whole thing. Even if you don’t like National Review, you’d be hard-pressed to find a better article on Melissa Alexander’s case.

143 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:08:18pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

All the sweeter when we overcome that.

The GOP may suffer a debacle in an attempt to defund Obamacare via government shutdown. That seems to be the most plausible way they might lose the House in 2014.

144 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:08:24pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Mid-terms won’t tell the full story but I’m hoping like hell we don’t elect Dumb and Dumber governor and lt governor here. I still can’t believe the Dems couldn’t find someone more likable than Terry McAullife but alas at least he’s not insane.

Good bumper sticker, there.

145 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:09:29pm

re: #135 EPR-radar

Mid-term elections generically have an electorate that favors the GOP more than in presidential election years.

Yeah…
I suppose I was hoping for a little House cleaning.

146 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:10:35pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

The only real argument for keeping Manning in jail for a long time is the effect on military discipline and morale if he were released early. He’s not a threat to anyone. He was a pawn.

I’m not really down with punishing people just for revenge, but I understand the effect on the military if he gets early release.

I can see some sense with punishing people as an act of revenge if they did something really revenge-worthy, like, say, blowing up the Twin Towers; but in Manning’s case, he was just a dumbass. Give him his fair punishment, but no need to hold him just to hold him.

147 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:11:00pm

re: #145 OhNoZombies!

Yeah…
I suppose I was hoping for a little House cleaning.

Well it happened in 2006 but that was before the GOP legislatures got control of the legislatures before the census. The best we can hope for is that more and more American people tire of their crap. The problem is though we always see someone else’s Congressman as being the problem in Washington and never our own.

148 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:12:27pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

Good bumper sticker, there.

Kind of like vote for the crook in Louisiana when Edwin Edwards ran against Klan Boy. It just sucks and I’ll say it again, the Virginia single term limit on governors is stupid.

149 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:14:25pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

The only real argument for keeping Manning in jail for a long time is the effect on military discipline and morale if he were released early. He’s not a threat to anyone. He was a pawn.

I’m not really down with punishing people just for revenge, but I understand the effect on the military if he gets early release.

If Manning gets out early for good behavior as part of the normal process, fine. My point is mainly that Obama can’t afford to intervene.

150 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:17:48pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if some of this is lingering butt-hurt from Dan Rather and the throbbing memo.

How dare a non-journalist nail a journalist on the facts.

151 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:27:53pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

The only real argument for keeping Manning in jail for a long time is the effect on military discipline and morale if he were released early. He’s not a threat to anyone. He was a pawn.

I’m not really down with punishing people just for revenge, but I understand the effect on the military if he gets early release.

The UCMJ process has had it’s course. I’m all for a perfectly ordinary course of incarceration. Nothing special.

152 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:27:53pm

This is some seriously nasty stuff up next, so viewer warning. This clip has Egyptian Army M113 APCs moving up a street and firing on MB supporters, and it shows at least on such supporter being hit by machine gun fire. This is what urban war looks like:

Liveleak Video

153 kirkspencer  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:27:59pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

Read the whole thing. Even if you don’t like National Review, you’d be hard-pressed to find a better article on Melissa Alexander’s case.

You’re right, I don’t like the National Review. I also don’t like Ian Tuttle. I’ve had to spend too many hours checking his alleged facts so as to identify which are complete, which are only half the story, and which are ‘truthy’.

Let’s take one example. Mr. Tuttle says the reason the court rejected “stand your ground” in the case of Ms. Alexander is that she pointed the weapon at Gray and the two children. If you read the court decision, however, you find that’s not the reason. Instead it’s much simpler: she didn’t shoot Mr. Gray. The court explicitly stated that SYG only applies in cases of death or injury.

No, if I want a ‘complete story’ it will not be from reading anything Mr. Tuttle writes.

154 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:32:31pm

re: #153 kirkspencer

You’re right, I don’t like the National Review. I also don’t like Ian Tuttle. I’ve had to spend too many hours checking his alleged facts so as to identify which are complete, which are only half the story, and which are ‘truthy’.

Let’s take one example. Mr. Tuttle says the reason the court rejected “stand your ground” in the case of Ms. Alexander is that she pointed the weapon at Gray and the two children. If you read the court decision, however, you find that’s not the reason. Instead it’s much simpler: she didn’t shoot Mr. Gray. The court explicitly stated that SYG only applies in cases of death or injury.

No, if I want a ‘complete story’ it will not be from reading anything Mr. Tuttle writes.

Is FL law really this cosmically fucked up? If I understand correctly, Ms. Alexander would have needed to shoot Gray (preferably fatally, so he can’t tell his side of the story), and perhaps fatally shoot the children as well (to eliminate witnesses) in order to have a SYG defense available at trial.

Yeesh.

155 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:33:24pm
156 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:33:26pm

re: #154 EPR-radar

Is FL law really this cosmically fucked up? If I understand correctly, Ms. Alexander would have needed to shoot Gray (preferably fatally, so he can’t tell his side of the story), and perhaps fatally shoot the children as well (to eliminate witnesses) in order to have a SYG defense available at trial.

Yeesh.

That hurts my head just thinking about. It’s still a mindfuck that she’s going to get sentenced to 20 years while Zimmerman got off scot free.

157 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:33:50pm

re: #155 CuriousLurker

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Zionist vampires? //

158 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:34:35pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Zionist vampires? //

But of course! //

159 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:34:42pm

Wisconsin county board approves moratorium on frac sand mines

WHITEHALL, WIS. - After issuing more frac sand mining permits than any other county in Minnesota or Wisconsin over the past 36 months, Trempealeau County will take a hiatus to consider possible adverse health effects on citizens.

The County Board, applauded by an overflow crowd, Monday night voted overwhelmingly in favor of a moratorium of up to a year on permitting new sand facilities or allowing existing sites to expand.

“I’m very pleased,” said Sally Miller, the board member who authored the resolution. “This is going to slow things down and give us a chance to catch our breath.”

Proponents of the plan had argued it would allow the scenic county that sits across the Mississippi River from Winona, Minn., to evaluate whether sand mining has a human cost. Those types of questions have largely gone unanswered as the county has approved 26 companies mining and processing silica sand on a total of 4,733 acres — and counting. County officials say interest in forming new mines remains strong.

I’ll take any good news around here.

160 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:35:31pm

re: #155 CuriousLurker

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THE ISRAELI BAT DRONES ARE DYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

161 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:35:36pm

re: #150 EPR-radar

The blogs are kicking the asses of the regular slow and sensationalized “mainstream” media. The RW bloggers freaked when Charles cut ties, and the left wing guys seem to have held their oldest grudges dearly.

162 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:35:57pm

re: #158 CuriousLurker

But of course! //

Those are the worst compared to you know regular vampires. Brings to mind a question brought up in one of the gaming videos my brother watches- Are Nazi zombies bad because they’re zombies or are they bad because they’re Nazis.

163 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:37:01pm

re: #160 Gus

THE ISRAELI BAT DRONES ARE DYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ZOMG, you’re a genius—ZIONIST BAT DRONES!—it never occurred to me.

164 Carlos Danger  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:37:36pm

BATMAN, STEALTH JEW

165 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:38:12pm

re: #164 Carlos Danger

BATMAN, STEALTH JEW

LOL

166 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:38:15pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Those are the worst compared to you know regular vampires. Brings to mind a question brought up in one of the gaming videos my brother watches- Are Nazi zombies bad because they’re zombies or are they bad because they’re Nazis.

Hellsing is a fine manga and anime along these lines. Takes the ultra-violence to entirely new levels, even for the vampire/zombie genre.

167 Mattand  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:38:58pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

And by “a failure to live up to its lofty democratic ideals,” she means making an alliance with an openly fascist group, the Australia First Party, allied with Greece’s Golden Dawn.

Jesus Christ, first Assange praises Matt Drudge, and now Wikileaks is in bed with Greek neo-Nazis?

Maybe Wikileaks can see if David Duke is interested in starting a 3rd party in the US.

168 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:39:16pm

Superman. Total Zionist.

169 AlexRogan  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:43:13pm

re: #136 Gus

Oh look. More crazy…

Hence, in Schindler world it will take weeks to months before they can finally nail Greenwald, and send the SAS to blackbag Glenn in Rio and ship him to the U.S. to face ‘justice’. Until then, Charles Johnson, @LibertyLynx, and yourselves will all have to continue fantasizing privately about what Mike Grunwald at least had the balls to say publically: the glorious day when Uncle Sam will finally drop Hellfire missiles on Assange and Greenwald. And David Michael Miranda and his American lover remain free men, humiliating the combined might of the ECHELON Anglosphere!

The fate of Airstrip One (minus the explosion, hopefully)?

Brogressive fanfic.

170 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:44:03pm

re: #163 CuriousLurker

ZOMG, you’re a genius—ZIONIST BAT DRONES!—it never occurred to me.

JUICE BAT DRONES (JBTs)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

171 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:45:30pm

re: #159 Amory Blaine

Wisconsin county board approves moratorium on frac sand mines

I’ll take any good news around here.

Sigh….

Wisconsin to cut more people from Medicaid than any other state

Wisconsin would cut more people from Medicaid than any other state as part of a plan advanced by Republican Gov. Scott Walker, according to an independent analysis of data by Kaiser Health News.

About 92,000 Wisconsin citizens, including 87,000 parents and caretaker relatives, and 5,000 childless adults with incomes above the federal poverty level, would lose the Medicaid coverage they previously had as a result of a waiver. Those people would be sent to the online insurance marketplace.

At the same time, the state is planning to add 100,000 Wisconsin childless adults with incomes below the poverty level to Medicaid.

Wisconsin is one of only four states that will reduce their Medicaid eligibility, according to the report. The other three, and the number of people who will lose coverage, will include: Maine, 35,000; Vermont, 19,000 and Rhode Island, 6,700.
Kaiser Health News collected enrollment data from the four states. The changes they plan still need federal approval, which is expected.

Millions of adults nationwide will gain Medicaid coverage next year under the Affordable Care Act.

However, Walker rejected millions in federal funding to expand Medicaid for three years in the state, according to the State Legislature’s nonpartisan Fiscal Bureau.

172 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:45:43pm

re: #167 Mattand

Jesus Christ, first Assange praises Matt Drudge, and now Wikileaks is in bed with Greek neo-Nazis?

Maybe Wikileaks can see if David Duke is interested in starting a 3rd party in the US.

David Duke is both too old and too clean cut for a bunch of dudebros.

173 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:45:54pm

re: #136 Gus

This was probably one of the trolls we’ve had this week.

174 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:46:53pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

David Duke is both too old and too clean cut for a bunch of dudebros.

nah, they love Ron Paul and Ron Paul read Austrian school economic theory to the dinosaurs.

175 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:47:08pm

re: #171 Amory Blaine

Sigh….

Wisconsin to cut more people from Medicaid than any other state

Governor Wanker (R)

176 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:48:51pm

re: #171 Amory Blaine

If Rick Scott in FL is Governor Voldemort, I suppose Walker in Wisconsin can be Governor Palpatine. The position of Governor Cthulhu remains vacant at this time.

177 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:49:47pm

By the way…

178 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:49:47pm

re: #176 EPR-radar

If Rick Scott in FL is Governor Voldemort, I suppose Walker in Wisconsin can be Governor Palpatine. The position of Governor Cthulhu remains vacant at this time.

Well we may get Governor Church Lady here- Kenny boy thinks going after people having oral sex should be one of his priorities.

179 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:50:23pm

Interesting how he suddenly owns up to what a lot of people were seeing.

180 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:50:39pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Superman. Total Zionist.

Jewish roots of Superman.

181 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:51:13pm

re: #180 Vicious Babushka

Jewish roots of Superman.

Cool.

182 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:51:58pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

By the way…

[Embedded content]

…PC graphics card & logic board motherboard…

183 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:54:54pm

BlogoSphere Construct Divides Into EmoProgs, DudeBros, and OBots

aides clean up after karl rove found giggling hysterically in clown bar

Explains His Womb Was Wandering

184 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:55:25pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Interesting how he suddenly owns up to what a lot of people were seeing.

Better late than never. However, one of the basics of journalism is that if you have a picture of not-X, you don’t caption it as a picture of X.

185 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:56:14pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Interesting how he suddenly owns up to what a lot of people were seeing.

But no hard drives. Oh yeah, forgot “government confiscated those” but they had to trash the PCI graphics cards.

186 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:00:28pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Interesting how he suddenly owns up to what a lot of people were seeing.

I have a theory on the PC thing. They loaded up some old PC to either hide it from the authorities in some closet or it was just the PC/MS conversion machine that was lying around. (See what I did there?)

187 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:01:25pm

Also, motherboards, logic boards, whatever, aren’t storage devices. At most they only contain your CMOS.

188 AlexRogan  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:02:15pm

re: #146 thedopefishlives

I can see some sense with punishing people as an act of revenge if they did something really revenge-worthy, like, say, blowing up the Twin Towers; but in Manning’s case, he was just a dumbass. Give him his fair punishment, but no need to hold him just to hold him.

One thing that a bunch of people are overlooking in regards to Manning’s punishment: his dishonorable discharge.

That’ll follow him for the rest of his life; he gets no veteran’s benefits (except for some VA medical services for injuries sustained in service, IIRC) and a lot of private employers won’t even entertain an application or resume from someone with a dishonorable discharge.

Right or wrong, that’s how it is.

189 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:02:39pm

re: #24 Bubblehead II

Do it. The more these people are exposed for what they are and what they represent, the better.

Done, after a short commute and dinner delay.

190 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:03:37pm

re: #176 EPR-radar

If Rick Scott in FL is Governor Voldemort, I suppose Walker in Wisconsin can be Governor Palpatine. The position of Governor Cthulhu remains vacant at this time.

Nah, Scooter’s not Papatine. He’s not smart enough or competent enough - Governor Doofenschmirtz is more like it as virtually ever decision he’s made as governor has been like putting a giant robot’s self destruct button on the bottom of it’s foot - first step & boom!

191 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:03:44pm

re: #187 Gus

Also, motherboards, logic boards, whatever, aren’t storage devices. At most they only contain your CMOS.

We should not have to guess. The Guardian should have documented where those parts came from and why they were destroyed, and the fact that they had months to set this whole thing up tells me that they were never really interested in doing that.

192 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:04:11pm

Poll Finds 60% Of Louisiana Residents Asked Blame Obama For Katrina And The Waves

also not too pleased about indigo girls

193 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:04:58pm

re: #192 dog philosopher

Poll Finds 60% Of Louisiana Residents Asked Blame Obama For Katrina And The Waves

also not too pleased about indigo girls

Did they ask how many of them blame him for Huey Long’s assassination?

194 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:05:19pm

Throwing some old parts on a table and saying “the remains of a MacBook Pro” is so ridiculously sloppy I have to think they’re hiding something. Don’t know what it is, but we are still not getting the full story.

195 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:06:22pm

re: #188 AlexRogan

One thing that a bunch of people are overlooking in regards to Manning’s punishment: his dishonorable discharge.

That’ll follow him for the rest of his life; he gets no veteran’s benefits (except for some VA medical services for injuries sustained in service, IIRC) and a lot of private employers won’t even entertain an application or resume from someone with a dishonorable discharge.

Right or wrong, that’s how it is.

For all practical purposes, after a dishonorable discharge you aren’t a citizen any more. You can’t vote, you can’t be elected, you can’t own a firearm, etc. You have fewer rights than most prisoners and almost no way of changing that condition.

196 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:06:36pm
197 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:07:08pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

Throwing some old parts on a table and saying “the remains of a MacBook Pro” is so ridiculously sloppy I have to think they’re hiding something. Don’t know what it is, but we are still not getting the full story.

With the PC motherboard and GPU card centered. Derp.

198 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:07:48pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

Throwing some old parts on a table and saying “the remains of a MacBook Pro” is so ridiculously sloppy I have to think they’re hiding something. Don’t know what it is, but we are not getting the full story.

According to their own story, the destruction of their computers occurred a month ago. There was plenty of time to get the facts right, if anyone cared to do so.

199 Stanley Sea  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:10:24pm

re: #195 William Barnett-Lewis

For all practical purposes, after a dishonorable discharge you aren’t a citizen any more. You can’t vote, you can’t be elected, you can’t own a firearm, etc. You have fewer rights than most prisoners and almost no way of changing that condition.

Never knew.

200 kirkspencer  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:10:28pm

re: #195 William Barnett-Lewis

For all practical purposes, after a dishonorable discharge you aren’t a citizen any more. You can’t vote, you can’t be elected, you can’t own a firearm, etc. You have fewer rights than most prisoners and almost no way of changing that condition.

Actually, you have the same loss of rights as most prisoners convicted of a felony. If the state allows felons to vote, you can vote. If the state allows felons to run for office, you can run for office. The firearms prohibition is federal law for all felons.

201 AlexRogan  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:10:37pm

re: #195 William Barnett-Lewis

For all practical purposes, after a dishonorable discharge you aren’t a citizen any more. You can’t vote, you can’t be elected, you can’t own a firearm, etc. You have fewer rights than most prisoners and almost no way of changing that condition.

My understanding is that a dishonorable discharge, by and large, equates to a civilian felony conviction, with many of the same conditions and social stigmas.

202 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:11:12pm

re: #195 William Barnett-Lewis

For all practical purposes, after a dishonorable discharge you aren’t a citizen any more. You can’t vote, you can’t be elected, you can’t own a firearm, etc. You have fewer rights than most prisoners and almost no way of changing that condition.

And Manning deserves that punishment.

203 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:11:13pm

Manning can kiss any notions of pardon or early release goodbye if his lawyer keeps up this crap.


I’m SO sick of this fricking circus.

204 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:11:31pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

Throwing some old parts on a table and saying “the remains of a MacBook Pro” is so ridiculously sloppy I have to think they’re hiding something. Don’t know what it is, but we are still not getting the full story.

Maybe they are trying to hide that they really are that stupid.

205 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:12:20pm

re: #199 Stanley Sea

Never knew.

Wow, me neither.

206 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:12:26pm

re: #203 CuriousLurker

Manning can kiss any notions of pardon or early release goodbye if his lawyer keeps up this crap.

[Embedded content]


I’m SO sick of this fricking circus.

You and me both.

207 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:14:08pm

You know, there are real dissidents out there who are actually being persecuted for speaking out against tyranny. Manning isn’t one of those. Frankly, it’s a waste of my sympathy to sympathize with this guy’s plight.

208 Carlos Danger  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:14:35pm

re: #192 dog philosopher

Poll Finds 60% Of Louisiana Residents Asked Blame Obama For Katrina And The Waves

also not too pleased about indigo girls

Image: rage-lq.gif

209 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:14:37pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Superman. Total Zionist.

Superman did fight Hitler a couple of times if memory serves…

210 Stanley Sea  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:15:14pm

Hey CL baby! You keeping healthy?

211 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:15:33pm

re: #203 CuriousLurker

Manning can kiss any notions of pardon or early release goodbye if his lawyer keeps up this crap.


I’m SO sick of this fricking circus.

1000 up dings for you.

212 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:15:38pm

It is pretty much the same as a felony conviction, i had thought that the voting ban was federal but according to wiki that’s not the case. I’ll have to see if I can find where in the federal statutes it’s governed and double check.

213 EPR-radar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:15:54pm

re: #203 CuriousLurker

Manning can kiss any notions of pardon or early release goodbye if his lawyer keeps up this crap.

[Embedded content]

I’m SO sick of this fricking circus.

What kind of lawyer is stupid enough to try the case in the media after the sentencing.

214 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:16:12pm

re: #210 Stanley Sea

Hey CL baby! You keeping healthy?

Yep! Good to see you {{{Sea}}}

215 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:17:53pm

Taylor Swift is on a major guest musician streak.

We now have her and Tegan & Sara together at concert.

Youtube Video

Yesterday, there was Taylor Swift and Sara Bareilles.

Youtube Video

216 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:18:59pm

re: #211 OhNoZombies!

1000 up dings for you.

Thx! BTW, sorry it took me so long to follow you back. For some reason it took me a while to make the connection between your Twitter & LGF nics.

217 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:20:01pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

Throwing some old parts on a table and saying “the remains of a MacBook Pro” is so ridiculously sloppy I have to think they’re hiding something. Don’t know what it is, but we are not getting the full story.

They don’t want to get held up at the airport, for one thing.
Got ‘em a little nervous…

218 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:21:03pm

W00T! Just saw an email from the Los Angeles Park Service. I had applied for a night photo shoot permit at San Vicente Mountain Park. That area is verboten after sunset. I was doubtful of getting permission. But hey they approved it, too late for the date I wanted but now I can reschedule.

219 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:23:32pm

re: #213 EPR-radar

What kind of lawyer is stupid enough to try the case in the media after the sentencing.

A WikiLeaks lawyer, apparently. //

I think CJ & others are right—these young(ish) guys are being preyed upon. It doesn’t excuse them for breaking the law, but it sure makes me dislike Assange & Co.

220 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:23:54pm

re: #218 Political Atheist

W00T! Just saw an email from the Los Angeles Park Service. I had applied for a night photo shoot permit at San Vicente Mountain Park. That area is verboten after sunset. I was doubtful of getting permission. But hey they approved it, too late for the date I wanted but now I can reschedule.

Congrats!

221 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:24:11pm

re: #216 CuriousLurker

Thx! BTW, sorry it took me so long to follow you back. For some reason it took me a while to make the connection your Twitter & LGF nics.

Oh, that’s ok.
I really just started getting into the Twitter thing, even though I’ve had the account for awhile.
Glad you followed though!

222 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:28:38pm

re: #219 CuriousLurker

A WikiLeaks lawyer, apparently. //

I think CJ & others are right—these young(ish) guys are being preyed upon. It doesn’t excuse them for breaking the law, but it sure makes me dislike Assange & Co.

Assange was up the pyramid. This is the wonderchild that did Manning in.

en.wikipedia.org

223 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:33:10pm
224 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:40:20pm

re: #222 Decatur Deb

Interestingly, he is roughly halfway in age between user group and the usee group.

225 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:42:28pm

re: #222 Decatur Deb

Assange was up the pyramid. This is the wonderchild that did Manning in.

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah, a lot of the young guys seem to be dysfunctional misfits. It reminds me of how abusive men seem to have a special ability to zero in on women & girls with low self-esteem and manipulate them.

It’s creepy & disgusting beyond words to prey on the vulnerable like that.

226 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:45:45pm

re: #224 ProTARDISLiberal

Interestingly, he is roughly halfway in age between user group and the usee group.

About 6 years older—might be random.

227 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:48:46pm

re: #225 CuriousLurker

The reasons you just outlined are why I believe One Direction is worse than Beiber.

Their songs are full of that shit, and they actually act like that in real life, if Harry Styles manipulating Taylor Swift is anything to go by. She seems to be the kind of person that falls hard into being in love.

And I sympathize with her, because I really can be the same way. I will admit that, I would be more than manipulable if someone were to act as if they were in love with me.

228 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:49:31pm

re: #225 CuriousLurker

Yeah, all a lot of the young guys seem to be dysfunctional misfits. It reminds me of how abusive men seem to have a special ability to zero in on women & girls with low self-esteem and manipulate them.

It’s creepy & disgusting beyond words to prey on the vulnerable like that.

Reminds me of a cult.

229 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:50:24pm

re: #228 OhNoZombies!

It’s the whole Pick-Up-Artist thing. Has become popular recently for some reason.

230 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:53:12pm

re: #229 ProTARDISLiberal

It’s the whole Pick-Up-Artist thing. Has become popular recently for some reason.

Probably has something to do with social media.
Like minded individuals cluster around shared interests for the world to see.
Makes for easy targets.

231 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:54:38pm

re: #230 OhNoZombies!

And if you wear a heart on your sleeve/are a bleeding heart.

232 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:56:49pm

re: #231 ProTARDISLiberal

And if you wear a heart on your sleeve/are a bleeding heart.

Exactly.

233 Kragar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:58:06pm

re: #230 OhNoZombies!

Probably has something to do with social media.
Like minded individuals cluster around shared interests for the world to see.
Makes for easy targets.

I blame Obama.
/

234 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:59:16pm
235 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:00:57pm

‘Nite, all.

236 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:05:49pm

re: #233 Kragar

I blame Obama.
/

Of course…
I heard he caused H. Katrina, and forced T-Rexes to eat salad.
Diabolical!

237 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:05:59pm

re: #227 ProTARDISLiberal

The reasons you just outlined are why I believe One Direction is worse than Beiber.

Their songs are full of that shit, and they actually act like that in real life, if Harry Styles manipulating Taylor Swift is anything to go by. She seems to be the kind of person that falls hard into being in love.

And I sympathize with her, because I really can be the same way. I will admit that, I would be more than manipulable if someone were to act as if they were in love with me.

I’ve never heard any of those people sing and don’t really know anything about them, so I can’t reply with anything sensible. Sorry.

238 Kragar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:06:34pm

re: #236 OhNoZombies!

Of course…
I heard he caused H. Katrina, and forced T-Rexes to eat salad.
Diabolical!

I heard he made creationist museums install ziplines.

239 Lancelot Link  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:07:47pm

re: #167 Mattand

Jesus Christ, first Assange praises Matt Drudge, and now Wikileaks is in bed with Greek neo-Nazis?

Maybe Wikileaks can see if David Duke is interested in starting a 3rd party in the US.

Funny you should say that, because Wikileaks employee and extreme anti-semite Israel Shamir has written for David Duke’s website.

240 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:08:49pm

a little crimp in my burning man plans

enterprise wants $950 to rent a minivan for 6 days

will probably have to take my car and a tent

241 Kragar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:09:09pm

re: #237 CuriousLurker

They aren’t Ronnie James Dio, so they aren’t shit.

Youtube Video

242 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:09:16pm


Missed the closed quote.

243 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:11:14pm

Okay, time to wind down and get some shut-eye. Have a good night, everyone. Oh, and before I go, add this to your calendars:

244 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:11:47pm

re: #242 Gus

Missed the closed quote.

everything after that on the entire internet is part of the quote until somebody closes it

245 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:13:54pm

re: #244 dog philosopher

everything after that on the entire internet is part of the quote until somebody closes it

Eventually.

246 Gus  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:14:06pm

Wave on. Wave on.

247 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:14:32pm

re: #238 Kragar

I heard he made creationist museums install ziplines.

He probably did.
And, he’s got access to that HAARP technology.
Strange weather indeed…

248 Mattand  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:18:51pm

re: #239 Lancelot Link

Funny you should say that, because Wikileaks employee and extreme anti-semite Israel Shamir has written for David Duke’s website.

Ugh.

And how the hell does a guy named Israel Shamir wind up writing for a guy who was a Klansman? Jewish people aren’t exactly high on the KKK’s list of “Folks They’d Want to Have a Beer With.”

249 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:19:02pm

facebook is volunteer nsa for teens

250 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:20:25pm

re: #248 Mattand

Ugh.

And how the hell does a guy named Israel Shamir wind up writing for a guy who was a Klansman? Jewish people aren’t exactly high on the KKK’s list of “Folks They’d Want to Have a Beer With.”

Shamir is Russian-born Jew who converted to Orthodox Christianity

251 jaunte  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:25:15pm

“I want the county judge and I want the sheriff,” Dewhurst said in a demanding voice. The police watch commander, seeming to keep his cool, refused to give him the numbers, even after the lawmaker repeatedly stated his elected position - one of the highest in the state.

252 Kragar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:31:29pm

re: #251 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Corrupt fucking bastards.

253 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:38:01pm

Nighty night.

254 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:51:45pm

lizards all under cool rocks sleeping for the night

255 freetoken  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:52:36pm

Adam Frank posts an Op-Ed lamenting the know-nothing movement in American society:

Welcome to the Age of Denial


While I can appreciate the tragic farce of the current know-nothing movement, Frank’s statement:

[…]

This is not a world the scientists I trained with would recognize. Many of them served on the Manhattan Project. Afterward, they helped create the technologies that drove America’s postwar prosperity. In that era of the mid-20th century, politicians were expected to support science financially but otherwise leave it alone. The disaster of Lysenkoism, in which Communist ideology distorted scientific truth and all but destroyed Russian biological science, was still a fresh memory.

The triumph of Western science led most of my professors to believe that progress was inevitable. While the bargain between science and political culture was at times challenged — the nuclear power debate of the 1970s, for example — the battles were fought using scientific evidence. Manufacturing doubt remained firmly off-limits.

[…]

- seems to me to be a bit of rosy-glass rear viewing.

What about the decades old fight over tobacco? There was a classic case where an industry (tobacco) fought for decades to obscure the science, and they haven’t stopped.

Rather than Frank’s overly golden American past, I look at today’s know-nothing movement as simply a continuation of a very long battle that started at least during the Protestant revolution. The changes that innovative thinkers bring to a society challenge the powerful at times, and there are enough little people who are easily manipulated by those in power to be afraid of the changes.

And fear is very powerful.

256 teleskiguy  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 8:54:00pm

Was just perusing the comments to the latest “dudebro outrageous outrage™” downstairs and that triple guy. Heh! Just over a hundred comments and almost minus 700 karma. Makes me laugh.

257 Kragar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:00:21pm

re: #256 teleskiguy

Was just perusing the comments to the latest “dudebro outrageous outrageTM” downstairs and that triple guy. Heh! Just over a hundred comments and almost minus 700 karma. Makes me laugh.

The Derp Knight rises.

258 teleskiguy  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:03:58pm

I know I’m a lurker (haven’t even broke a thousand comments) but I’ve posted close to 40 pages, was banned once and was forgiven (for a stupid comment advocating violence against Glenn Beck), and I genuinely think this is a cutting edge blog. Why folks like triple and the hundreds of others I’ve seen come through (on the left and right) come here to spout their nonsense, kind of baffles me. I tend to gravitate to sites I agree with. Why isn’t triple commenting at Salon or the more egregious parts of Daily Kos?

I just figured out why triple has posted over a hundred comments today and I’ve been a lurker since 2008 when I joined: I have a life! A house. A dog. Places to hike and ski and people to meet at concerts and…

I have no idea where I was going with this comment. How about this? “triple” from downstairs, is an idiot.

OK.

259 Kragar  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:06:32pm

I love this billboard

Image: image.jpg

260 bratwurst  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:08:59pm
261 freetoken  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:09:17pm

The circular firing squad is heating up:

State Republicans jump ship: This isn’t our party anymore

Thirteen Maine Republicans and one Iowan Republican left their party this week as the party schism broadens nationwide.

The defecting Republicans represent two polar ends within the GOP: The Maine group fled the party because they feel the GOP isn’t conservative enough, while the Iowan Republican left saying the party had become too conservative and “hateful.”

[…]

The Iowan Republican, co-chairman of the Polk County Republican Party, resigned and became an independent, citing “hateful” rhetoric and a “war on science and common sense.”

Polk County’s Chad Brown, 34, wrote that “this level of dysfunction is not going to be fixed any time soon,” in a letter printed by the Des Moines Register.

Maine Republicans cited more policy moves for their departure, including Gov. Paul LePage’s veto of a bill that would have allowed unpasteurized milk to be sold. “We want our God-given rights to buy, sell and consume what we want protected by the law,” they wrote.

[…]

So, one guy discovers that he doesn’t want to be know-nothing, while 13 decide that God has given them the right to consume Mycobacterium tuberculosis and that the Republican party ought to recognize this.

262 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:16:56pm

re: #261 freetoken

btw, i recognized the lional hampton/benny goodman number last night - that’s my period! - but i’m not familiar with the baroque choral thing you posted after, although i’m tempted to make a wild guess that it’s purcell

263 freetoken  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:19:06pm

re: #262 dog philosopher

The two choral pieces immediately preceding the Goodman trio were Russian folk songs.

264 alpuz  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:19:16pm

Star Trek(2009) is better than Into the Darkness. That is all. At least I hope that is all.. it’s been a long week.

265 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:21:21pm

re: #263 freetoken

The two choral pieces immediately preceding the Goodman trio were Russian folk songs.

oh, cool! - but wasn’t there one after as well?

266 freetoken  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:24:16pm

re: #265 dog philosopher

The media library says no, the last mp3 was the Goodman Trio.

However, the media library does not know all.

There were a couple of Youtube links I posted of Miguel Valdes, afterwards, but the media library doesn’t seem to pick those up.

267 freetoken  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:27:26pm

Rod Dreher is concerned that we might fall in love (or at least have sex) with more than one person:


Those Wacky Polyamorists!

In which he writes:

Polyamory seems so strange, but is it really that much stranger in 2013 than legalized same-sex marriage sounded in 1983? The logic justifying them both is the same.

He, and other religious right types, will never accept gay marriage.

268 dog philosopher  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:29:37pm

re: #266 freetoken

The media library says no, the last mp3 was the Goodman Trio.

However, the media library does not know all.

There were a couple of Youtube links I posted of Miguel Valdes, afterwards, but the media library doesn’t seem to pick those up.

ah, the blog investigator goes to work…

looking at the thread, your #12 was hampton/goodman, and then there was another one at #26

physics.byu.edu

which turns out to be “Ruht wohl, ihr heiligen Gebeine - BWV 245 (St. John Passion) Chorus”, so therefore JS, and JS is always my friend

269 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:34:31pm

The other day I made a light hearted post about open carry laws in Oklahoma..That I could walk my dog with a assault weapon and a Glock..Legally..
Then the horrible news of the 3 teens here killing Christopher Lane because they were bored. There are no words.
The nerves are raw around these parts.. It’s sad to see.

270 freetoken  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:35:07pm

re: #268 dog philosopher

Yeah, the media library appears to be leaky.

271 freetoken  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:37:06pm

Speaking of that thread, there was a post right after JSB music that updates us on yet another “raw milk” protest:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Have the Paulians moved on from weed to bacteria?

272 teleskiguy  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 9:41:40pm

Charles retweeted an article on The Daily Banter written by Chez Pazienza wherein he deconstructs Salon real good. My favorite (partial) sentence from the article:

Context: Chez is talking about Salon going after Patton Oswalt and The Onion for being offensive.

273 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 10:05:41pm

re: #272 teleskiguy

Charles retweeted an article on The Daily Banter written by Chez Pazienza wherein he deconstructs Salon real good. My favorite (partial) sentence from the article:

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Context: Chez is talking about Salon going after Patton Oswalt and The Onion for being offensive.

Salon has really gone visibly downhill of late, they seem to be going out of their way to find things to get outraged about instead of reporting objectively and letting us decide what to froth about…

274 piratedan  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 10:45:06pm

re: #213 EPR-radar

whose lawyer is it? Mannings or the one provided by Wikileaks?

275 freetoken  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:58:56am

MP3 Audio

276 freetoken  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:02:46am

If that won’t play for you, here is one that ought, a work of Felix Draeseke with which I was previously unfamiliar:

MP3 Audio

277 RadicalModerate  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:11:53am

re: #251 jaunte

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Remember, this is the same Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst who also believes that state Legislature rules don’t apply to him, as evidenced during the recent special session.

278 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:03:53am

I think Antoinette Tuff could teach everyone a few lessons about adversity, confidence, and real caring and love.

Details Emerge About Ga. School Shooting Suspect

npr.org

She deserves every accolade that comes her way. This could have been a tragedy of epic proportions involving a troubled individual looking for the help he desperately needed and feeling his own life was over. Truly a lesson for all of us when more and more people seem to believe negative physical action is more desirable than thinking clearly about the problems we face, both individually and collectively. This is why arming ourselves to the hilt scares the shit out of me, because I think people who assume that attitude are very troubled people to start with and the politicians who exploit it need to be booted out of office. They are as mentally ill, IMHO, as those they encourage and worse, have the power to legislate it.

We either learn to genuinely care for and nourish, not exploit, one another in a fundamental way, starting as parents or surrogates, and in all our relationships, or we fail as human beings. This is not to mean being naive about harm that can befall us but to sharpen our survival instinct that requires cooperation with others, no matter how “different” we think they are, as well as protecting ourselves in other, less lethal, ways. Unless we teach each other this responsibility, we will also fail as a nation.

279 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:08:01am

re: #278 Justanotherhuman

Until we learn to hatch out fully-formed adults who can be fitted with an education implant and sent out to realize their full potential as fully free and independent individuals, we will continue to be collective beings living in a collective society to some degree.

Why is this made to seem so darned EEBIL?

280 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:17:50am

re: #279 Sol Berdinowitz

Until we learn to hatch out fully-formed adults who can be fitted with an education implant and sent out to realize their full potential as fully free and independent individuals, we will continue to be collective beings living in a collective society to some degree.

Why is this made to seem so darned EEBIL?

I’m not quite sure I understand your statement. We are, and always will be, a collective of individual beings, beginning from the moment we are born, living in a family, because we live among others in a world of others. If you want to be an “individual” the way some are describing it these days, go live as a hermit. Those who totally ignore the collective nature of society and don’t cooperate with it aren’t called “sociopaths” for no reason, and this concentration on “individualism” has done little more than increase the number of narcissists we see today.

“Individualism” has limits, as many have found out the hard way.

281 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:18:11am

re: #278 Justanotherhuman

If she wuz a real American, she’d have pulled out her Glock and smoked his azz!!

282 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:20:01am

re: #248 Mattand

Ugh.

And how the hell does a guy named Israel Shamir wind up writing for a guy who was a Klansman? Jewish people aren’t exactly high on the KKK’s list of “Folks They’d Want to Have a Beer With.”

That’s not his real name.

283 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:21:35am

re: #282 Vicious Babushka

That’s not his real name.

Billy Wayne Smith? : )

284 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:23:19am

re: #283 Justanotherhuman

Billy Wayne Smith? : )

It’s probably on Teh Googles somewhere but I don’t want that asshole’s name in my search history.

285 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:29:24am

I had an aeropress coffee this morning for the first time.

286 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:29:57am

re: #280 Justanotherhuman

I am talking about those sort of Randian head cases who deny our collective nature in favor of some idealized view of individualism.

287 freetoken  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:30:07am

Jazz legend Marian McPartland dead at 95

Marian McPartland, a jazz pianist who was a glittering fixture in her musical genre over a career spanning six decades, has died at the age of 95, her record label said.

[…]

An interview from 5 years ago (salted with music):

MP3 Audio

288 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:39:17am

re: #286 Sol Berdinowitz

I am talking about those sort of Randian head cases who deny our collective nature in favor of some idealized view of individualism.

Ah, yes, the spreading political disease of our time.

289 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:41:09am

What has Steve done MOAR, voted to investigate BENGHAZI!!11!!11 or voted to repeal OBAMACARE!!111!!!!

290 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:44:08am

People have feverish imaginations.

291 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:44:59am

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

What has Steve done MOAR, voted to investigate BENGHAZI!!11!!11 or voted to repeal OBAMACARE!!111!!!!

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Steve Stockman, Sociopath. So alliterative.

292 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:45:47am

re: #288 Justanotherhuman

Ah, yes, the spreading political disease of our time.

Selective Randianism, like those fundamentalist Christian Randians who totally ignore her militant athiesm.

293 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:46:28am

re: #290 Vicious Babushka

People have feverish imaginations.

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He’s just another part of the problem. What a sociopathic statement.

A trend, you know.

294 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:47:27am

Moscow has packs of feral dogs roaming the streets, even the subway and the lobbies and stairwells of apartment buildings.

These dogs are actually very gentle. They have evolved to the point that the ones who are submissive and friendly will be petted & fed, and the aggressive ones are chased away or killed.

295 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:47:35am

re: #292 Sol Berdinowitz

Selective Randianism, like those fundamentalist Christian Randians who totally ignore her militant athiesm.

And her “pro-abortion” views as well.

296 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:50:18am

DETROIT’S HELLISH STREETS.

297 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:53:06am

re: #294 Vicious Babushka

We have a feral white cat roaming our grounds who’s quite domesticated because people feed and pet it (don’t know if it’s M or F). A neighbor in one of the houses up front on the road keeps beagles and they howl at all hours. We’re not allowed pets, except for the guy next to me who has a beautiful chocolate lab and he was grandfathered in when the current owners bought the place. I suppose I could get some fish. : )

298 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:53:39am

re: #297 Justanotherhuman

We have a feral white cat roaming our grounds who’s quite domesticated because people feed and pet it (don’t know if it’s M or F). A neighbor in one of the houses up front on the road keeps beagles and they howl at all hours. We’re not allowed pets, except for the guy next to me who has a beautiful chocolate lab and he was grandfathered in when the current owners bought the place. I suppose I could get some fish. : )

I have an old man.

299 BongCrodny  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:54:22am

re: #271 freetoken

Speaking of that thread, there was a post right after JSB music that updates us on yet another “raw milk” protest:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Have the Paulians moved on from weed to bacteria?

Personally, I’ve always found it tough to roll bacteria into a Zig Zag.

They keep spilling out the ends.

300 Lancelot Link  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:55:00am

re: #284 Vicious Babushka

That nutcase has a half dozen names; I think he’s originally Russian. He’s probably the ultimate example of the meeting of the lunatic far right and the lunatic far left

301 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:56:02am

re: #299 BongCrodny

Personally, I’ve always found it tough to roll bacteria into a Zig Zag.

They keep spilling out the ends.

Pro tip: User a hookah.

302 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:57:32am

re: #300 Lancelot Link

That nutcase has a half dozen names; I think he’s originally Russian. He’s probably the ultimate example of the meeting of the lunatic far right and the lunatic far left

He is not a Juice, but he pretended to be one in order to get a visa to enter Israel. Then he left because he couldn’t stand being around all those Juice.

303 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:58:56am

Glenn Greenwald Tweet Erick son of Erick.
The Circle of Derp is complete.

304 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:59:55am

Wait, what?

305 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:00:54am

Looks like CNN Breaking News has jumped the shark again, like they did with Boston Marathon suspect.

306 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:03:52am

Yunno, on top of it all, Manning’s sexual orientation is almost entirely irrelevant to his story, and only of interest to people who want sensationalism and gossip.

307 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:06:37am

re: #306 Sol Berdinowitz

Yunno, on top of it all, Manning’s sexual orientation is almost entirely irrelevant to his story, and only of interest to people who want sensationalism and gossip.

The article makes no mention of Manning’s gender issues, whoever manages the @CNNbrk Twitter account was making a stupid, not funny joke.

We should assume that person (probably an unpaid intern) has been sacked and another unpaid intern is managing the @CNNbrk Twitter account.

308 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:06:46am

Morning Lizards.

309 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:08:57am

DERP

310 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:10:05am

re: #269 A Man for all Seasons

The other day I made a light hearted post about open carry laws in Oklahoma..That I could walk my dog with a assault weapon and a Glock..Legally..
Then the horrible news of the 3 teens here killing Christopher Lane because they were bored. There are no words.
The nerves are raw around these parts.. It’s sad to see.

The parents of the teens need a serious talking to as well.

311 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:10:21am

re: #305 Vicious Babushka

Looks like CNN Breaking News has jumped the shark again, like they did with Boston Marathon suspect.

Does he think his life would be easier as a woman, esp in a male prison? If this is all true, he suffered a lot of emotional trauma as a child. Fetal alcohol syndrome could also explain his slight stature as well.

“Earlier Wednesday, Manning’s older sister, Casey Manning Major, described a bleak upbringing in Crescent, Okla. She said she was Manning’s principal caregiver when she was only 11 because both of their parents were alcoholics. As a girl, Major said she would wake up to her brother’s cries, make a bottle for him, rock him and put him back to sleep

“She described one incident in which her brother sat in the back seat with his mother as they were driven to the hospital to make sure she was still breathing after she tried to kill herself with an overdose of Valium.

“A Navy psychiatrist, Capt. David Moulton, testified Wednesday that Manning’s facial features were indicative of someone who was exposed to alcohol in the womb and he exhibited other symptoms of fetal alcohol syndrome. Major said her mother drank continuously when she was pregnant with her brother.”

articles.washingtonpost.com

BTW, I saw wanting to transgender attributed to Manning in a much earlier article.

312 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:13:10am

re: #298 Vicious Babushka

I have an old man.

Cats are easier on the bread mixers.
/// j/k

313 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:14:12am

re: #306 Sol Berdinowitz

Yunno, on top of it all, Manning’s sexual orientation is almost entirely irrelevant to his story, and only of interest to people who want sensationalism and gossip.

Or a convenient scapegoat to blame his actions on.

314 BongCrodny  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:14:17am

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

DERP
There is nothing wrong with America that Christ and Christianity cannot fix.

He hasn’t fixed you, Bryan.

315 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:14:22am

re: #312 Feline Fearless Leader

Cats are easier on the bread mixers.
/// j/k

Yeah, a cat might climb into the bowl and take a nap, not wander around at night in an Ambien trance and knock stuff over.

316 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:16:55am

Wingnuts are erupting in a frenzy of transphobia thanks to @CNNbrk.

317 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:16:58am

“Being in the military and having a gender issue does not exactly go hand-in-hand,” Capt. Michael Worsley, a military clinical psychologist, told the court. “At the time, the military was not exactly friendly towards the gay community.”

“Worsley diagnosed Manning with a personality disorder and then a “gender identity disorder,” and said the soldier would have faced an agonizing plight in the macho world of the military. “The pressure would have been incredible in an almost openly hostile environment,” He told the court.

“Manning “was supercritical of himself. He was feeling he was never good enough.”

japantimes.co.jp

Also here: courthousenews.com

318 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:18:16am

Jesus.

319 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:18:23am

re: #307 Vicious Babushka

The article makes no mention of Manning’s gender issues, whoever manages the @CNNbrk Twitter account was making a stupid, not funny joke.

We should assume that person (probably an unpaid intern) has been sacked and another unpaid intern is managing the @CNNbrk Twitter account.

And those responsible for the sacking have been sacked.

320 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:18:36am

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

DERP

There is nothing wrong with America that Christ and Christianity cannot fix.

Look what an outstanding job he did for Israel…

321 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:20:12am

re: #315 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, a cat might climb into the bowl and take a nap, not wander around at night in an Ambien trance and knock stuff over.

Probably the main reason your mixer would be safe from my cats is the weight. Mine *do* climb onto the counters apparently to just knock things off.

I found four cans of cat food on the floor this morning, plus the usual removal of four chair armrest covers. Yesterday evening they knocked a partially full can of cat food off the counter. Followed shortly by the (luckily empty) water can and my plastic pitcher.

The older cat is something of a serial object hitter. Anything left on the coffee table and often the dining room table is tested by her to see if she can paw it off the table, and if taller she she try to tip it over as well. And once on the floor small objects are general cat toys. The younger cat likes playing with pens - he carries them around and paws and plays with them until they go too far under the couch or the china closet.

At least I know where to look when I need a pen to write something down.
O_o

322 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:21:12am

re: #319 Decatur Deb

And those responsible for the sacking have been sacked.

They’ll now bring in llamas at the last moment with great expense.

323 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:24:48am

re: #321 Feline Fearless Leader

Probably the main reason your mixer would be safe from my cats is the weight. Mine *do* climb onto the counters apparently to just knock things off.

I found four cans of cat food on the floor this morning, plus the usual removal of four chair armrest covers. Yesterday evening they knocked a partially full can of cat food off the counter. Followed shortly by the (luckily empty) water can and my plastic pitcher.

The older cat is something of a serial object hitter. Anything left on the coffee table and often the dining room table is tested by her to see if she can paw it off the table, and if taller she she try to tip it over as well. And once on the floor small objects are general cat toys. The younger cat likes playing with pens - he carries them around and paws and plays with them until they go too far under the couch the china closet.

At least I know where to look when I need a pen to write something down.
O_o

Do you have a few minutes to talk with me about Minimalism? It will help you find your car keys.

324 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:26:21am

re: #323 Decatur Deb

Do you have a few minutes to talk with me about Minimalism? It will help you find your car keys.

Already a follower of Feline Animalism. And my car keys are under the dresser where the cats left them.

325 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:28:41am

“Bradley Manning Announces Intent to Transgender”

Headline on chyron at MSNBC.

326 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:31:38am

re: #325 Justanotherhuman

“Bradley Manning Announces Intent to Transgender”

Headline on chyron at MSNBC.

Same thing over at USA Today.


Convicted Army private Bradley Manning says he’s a woman

“I am Chelsea Manning. I am female,” the Army private wrote in a statement read on NBC’s TODAY show Thursday by his attorney. “Given the way that I feel, and have felt since childhood, I want to begin hormone therapy as soon as possible. I hope that you will support me in this transition.”

327 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:32:25am

re: #325 Justanotherhuman

Just what transgender people need: The most visible transgender person in the US is a convicted criminal.

Ru Paul, you are missed.

328 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:34:42am

re: #327 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Just what transgender people need: The most visible transgender person in the US is a convicted criminal.

Ru Paul, you are missed.

Might have saved a bit of grief if he had reached this conclusion before enlisting.

329 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:38:20am

I can’t feel anything but sadness for Bradley Manning. His life is so sadly fucked up. Not all of it is his fault, but most of it is.

330 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:41:50am

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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Not YOUR brand of Christianity Bryan, your brand is hateful and destructive.

331 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:43:49am

re: #316 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are erupting in a frenzy of transphobia thanks to @CNNbrk.

My surprise….etc.

I wonder if we should just shorten that one to MSLMSY.

332 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:44:02am

This is what Bradley Manning sent a superior officer:

gendertrender.wordpress.com

As the women who support this site mention, Manning assaulted a female superior officer (with a closed fist) and allegedly tried to attack his stepmother with a knife.

If he hates women and can be violent toward them, why would he want to be one?

333 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:45:08am

re: #329 Vicious Babushka

I can’t feel anything but sadness for Bradley Manning. His life is so sadly fucked up. Not all of it is his fault, but most of it is.

His doom was sealed the day he walked into a recruiting station instead of a therapist’s. The rest is just the environment exerting its stability.

334 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:45:14am

I know a person going through a gender change. He was born a man, wants to live as a woman, but also wants to only have intimate relationships with other women.

I knew know whether to refer to this person as “He” or “She”.

335 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:48:52am

re: #334 Eclectic Cyborg

I know a person going through a gender change. He was born a man, wants to live as a woman, but also wants to only have intimate relationships with other women.

I knew know whether to refer to this person as “He” or “She”.

Sounds like a different dysfunction. He can be a transvestite and still accomplish the same thing if he can find a female partner who doesn’t mind his role playing.

336 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:50:16am

re: #332 Justanotherhuman

This is what Bradley Manning sent a superior officer:

gendertrender.wordpress.com

As the women who support this site mention, Manning assaulted a female superior officer (with a closed fist) and allegedly tried to attack his stepmother with a knife.

If he hates women and can be violent toward them, why would he want to be one?

Maybe it is his anger that they were born female and he wasn’t. He feels cheated possibly and that was his lashing out.

337 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:52:22am

re: #219 CuriousLurker

Oh good, it’s not just me that gets that weird, creepy feeling about this. Assange is a predator. Predators attract other predators and then they go after prey. In this case, young, idealistic and naive people to do the dirty work and they stay out of jail, hands just barely legally clean. Or the hide in embassies and direct things from there, which is truly fucking bizarre.

Seriously if Assange is not guilty of rape then why not stand trial with a team of good lawyers? Why hide and act like Dr Evil in the volcano lair?

I left Christianity many,many years ago because of the way churches (yes, that’s a plural) treated my son. So I went exploring other religions, just to see if I could find tolerance and patience in a community type setting. I drifted into various forms of paganism thinking I’d find something there. At first, yes, but it ended up being the same kind of power tripping and taking advantage of others I’d experienced in mainstream religions so I abandoned ship altogether where religion is concerned(and no- the pagans were not worse than the mainstream- or better-exactly the same crap went on almost everywhere). I have a set of beliefs, they aren’t cast in stone. I’m at peace with that. This whole Wikileaks madness reminds me a lot of some of the religious “leaders” I’ve encountered over the years, the arrogance and self serving bullshit is miles deep and way too many people can’t seem to smell the stench until it’s too late for them. Some never get it, they drown in the bullshit and don’t recover.

338 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:58:04am

re: #318 Vicious Babushka

No Erick, they aren’t upset with your Tweet, you Twit. They’re upset because you’re an insufferable JERK who cannot seem to, for the life of him, find an iota of compassion in your shriveled, ashen black heart for anyone but yourself. Asshat. Also. Homophobic, racist, sexist, and did I mention JERK?

Someone never got over being turned down for that prom date or maybe he got shoved into one too many lockers. He’s a prime example of why bullies shouldn’t be allowed to flourish in any environment. It’s poison and it seeps into everything around it. He gives me the creeps.

(edited: I changed dick to jerk at the urging of The Teenager, who said he didn’t think it was a good word to use, jerk is better. He’s right)

339 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:59:53am

How did a moron like Erickson get on CNN in the first place anyway…(remembers Glenn Beck used to be on CNN)…nevermind.

340 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:02:51am

re: #336 Eventual Carrion

Maybe it is his anger that they were born female and he wasn’t. He feels cheated possibly and that was his lashing out.

I feel very sorry for Manning because he had such a fucked up childhood, but still, there is no excuse to physically attack others for what you yourself don’t take care of, esp those you perceive to be “weaker” because of their sex. I think his lack of self-esteem, his very identity, contributes greatly to his anger and his lack of control over any aspect of his life.

341 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:03:30am

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

How did a moron like Erickson get on CNN in the first place anyway…(remembers Glenn Beck used to be on CNN)…nevermind.

Because up to a point obnoxiousness sells since it’s mistaken often for being frank and straightforward. And mainly view it as entertaining when they are not the target.

And if you’re not right, why are you being so loud about it?
//

342 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:04:24am

God morning lizards

343 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:05:11am

re: #333 Decatur Deb

Reading about his background, he was doomed almost from childhood. It’s kind of a perfect storm of abuse and neglect and not a lot of positive anything. As a guess, I’d bet he was attracted to the military because it seemed like a family of sorts, with someone in charge since his parents were not at all present as parents. It could have just as easily been a gang or a cult or it could have gone the other way and he could have turned things around had the right mentor(s) been there. If there’s mental illness thrown into the mix that went untreated, it’s a wonder he made it this far honestly.

It’s sad, I hope he gets some kind of help wherever he ends up and doesn’t suffer still more abuse.

344 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:05:53am

re: #341 Feline Fearless Leader

Because up to a point obnoxiousness sells since it’s mistaken often for being frank and straightforward. And mainly view it as entertaining when they are not the target.

And if you’re not right, why are you being so loud about it?
//

Erickson is an elaboration of Dog the Bounty Hunter, thinks he is the heir of Edward R. Murrow.

345 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:06:22am

re: #342 NJDhockeyfan

God morning lizards

Lots of lightning this morning?

346 Weet  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:06:46am

We don’t need no educashun.

29% of Louisiana Republicans blame Obama for Katrina. 28% blame Bush.
Obama Katrina

347 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:07:37am

re: #346 Weet

We don’t need no educashun.

29% of Louisiana Republicans blame Obama for Katrina. 28% blame Bush.
Obama Katrina

Wonder where they got that idea, that it’s Obama’s fault? {sigh}

348 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:09:46am

re: #347 Justanotherhuman

Do they not have calendars in Louisiana? Lordy.

349 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:10:31am

I want the privileges that men have, but I still want to remain a woman.

And I want “minorities” to have those same privileges.

People should be able to love who they wish and discrimination of any type should be abolished. We could eliminate a hell of a lot of “dysfunction” if that ever happens.

350 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:10:37am

re: #345 Political Atheist

Lots of lightning this morning?

Clear skies, 74 degrees. It’s awesome.

351 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:12:10am

72 deg here, going up to 86 and mostly sunny.

But the coolest Aug I can remember, and I’m in my 8th decade.

352 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:12:56am

re: #317 Justanotherhuman

“Being in the military and having a gender issue does not exactly go hand-in-hand,” Capt. Michael Worsley, a military clinical psychologist, told the court. “At the time, the military was not exactly friendly towards the gay community.”

I’ve been noticing that the picture of him as Chelsea is captioned “a handout by the U.S. Army”.

Huh, I’d like to see that “handout”. Was it a press release, or something else?

353 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:13:48am

re: #348 A Mom Anon

Do they not have calendars in Louisiana? Lordy.

Yeah, but they also have venal politicians.

354 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:14:37am

re: #352 Carlos Danger

I’ve been noticing that the picture of him as Chelsea is captioned “a handout by the U.S. Army”.

Huh, I’d like to see that “handout”. Was it a press release, or something else?

In court as an exhibit? {sigh}

355 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:16:54am

re: #354 Justanotherhuman

In court as an exhibition?

Here’s where it came from, apparently

356 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:17:10am

re: #346 Weet

We don’t need no educashun.

29% of Louisiana Republicans blame Obama for Katrina. 28% blame Bush.
Obama Katrina

Seen a couple of rebukes of the polling claiming that this was a gotcha job done by PPP, which has Democratic party leaning.

Problem is that the polling as constructed doesn’t show that leaning; it shows active amnesia and projection by self-identifying GOPers that Obama’s to blame for the slow response after Katrina, which occurred three years before Obama became President.

Details on the poll itself.

The question is Q2 from Louisiana specific section:

Who do you think was more responsible for the poor response to Hurricane Katrina: George W. Bush or Barack Obama?
George W. Bush 28%
Barack Obama 29%
Not sure 44%

In looking through the cross tabs, it appears that the biggest reason that the results came out as they did was that those over 65 thought Obama was more responsible than Bush. 42% of those polled over 65 thought Obama responsible. That’s out of a survey of 274 GOP primary voters.

It’s that group that apparently doesn’t remember when Katrina happened, or who was president when it occurred.

357 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:18:11am

Manning’s (and anybody else’s) gender issues are totally irrelevant to national security and press issues. So why are we making a connection save for the fact that we are developmentally arrested and obsessed with such things?

358 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:23:17am

re: #357 Sol Berdinowitz

Our culture is stupid about this stuff. It’s getting kind of better, but we’ve got thousands of miles to go. The idea of transgender people is just not a common one to most people and there’s a lot of misinformation and fear surrounding it. I think most people really don’t get that it’s a real thing, it’s not just a whim or some made up concept. We’re very immature on this topic to put it simply.

359 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:23:32am

re: #350 NJDhockeyfan

Nice, about the same here but it’s going to get hot in LA.

360 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:24:25am

re: #358 A Mom Anon

Also too, our media sucks and is now following the Entertainment Tonight gossip format. Infotainment.

361 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:26:40am

re: #357 Sol Berdinowitz

Because this is perhaps the one detail missing from the Manning/leaks fiasco. Salaciousness sells, and it’s a case that now has the trifecta; sex/gender (issues); crime; and media navel-gazing.

Manning’s gender identity issues don’t affect the fact that he committed crimes for which he will be serving time for. It does, however, point to someone who was confused about quite a few important things - not the least of which is that he trusted the wrong people - Wikileaks. They used him, and now that he’s served his purpose, they’ve moved on to their cause celebre.

362 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:28:29am

re: #340 Justanotherhuman

I feel very sorry for Manning because he had such a fucked up childhood, but still, there is no excuse to physically attack others for what you yourself don’t take care of, esp those you perceive to be “weaker” because of their sex. I think his lack of self-esteem, his very identity, contributes greatly to his anger and his lack of control over any aspect of his life.

Very true it is no excuse. I just wonder if it might be a contributing factor to his outbreaks of violence. There are people out there that are using this to say “See gays in the military …”, but he is not saying he is gay. He is saying he is transgender which isn’t the same thing. He might be attracted to men because he feels he really should be a woman which, in a round about way, would make him hetro. I have know many gay men that have no feeling that they should have been born female, they are male attracted to men.

363 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:33:34am

re: #355 Carlos Danger

Here’s where it came from, apparently

Won’t link.

364 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:38:33am

re: #362 Eventual Carrion

There are people out there that are using this to say “See gays in the military …”, but he is not saying he is gay. He is saying he is transgender which isn’t the same thing. .

To them, it is all the same, and to be heaped in with bestiality, paedophilia and spouse/child abuse: an abdomination unto the Lord

365 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:41:40am

re: #361 lawhawk

Because this is perhaps the one detail missing from the Manning/leaks fiasco. Salaciousness sells, and it’s a case that now has the trifecta; sex/gender (issues); crime; and media navel-gazing.

Manning’s gender identity issues don’t affect the fact that he committed crimes for which he will be serving time for. It does, however, point to someone who was confused about quite a few important things - not the least of which is that he trusted the wrong people - Wikileaks. They used him, and now that he’s served his purpose, they’ve moved on to their cause celebre.

Absolutely.
I hope folks make that connection.

366 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:41:56am

re: #364 Sol Berdinowitz

To them, it is all the same, and to be heaped in with bestiality, paedophilia and spouse/child abuse: an abdomination unto the Lord

You left a few items off that list:
- Muslims
- Jews
- voting Democrat
///

367 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:42:48am

re: #306 Sol Berdinowitz

Yunno, on top of it all, Manning’s sexual orientation is almost entirely irrelevant to his story, and only of interest to people who want sensationalism and gossip.

One of my lesbian friends said a few months ago that he was being persecuted because he was transgender. I told her he was being prosecuted because he got caught breaking the law.

368 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:44:06am

re: #366 Feline Fearless Leader

You left a few items off that list:
- Muslims
- Jews
- voting Democrat
///

YOONYUNZ!!11 OBAMA!!11!! BENGHAZI!!!!11!!!

369 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:44:46am

Mornin’ everyone…it’s my anniversary, so I’ll share the wake up song I put on my wife’s facebook page (she’s still sleeping right now, but crank up the volume anyway).

Youtube Video

370 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:45:28am

I totally want Bryan to pay for all of Manning’s treatment out of his personal bank account.

371 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:46:18am

re: #369 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone…it’s my anniversary, so I’ll share the wake up song I put on my wife’s facebook page (she’s still sleeping right now, but crank up the volume anyway).

[Embedded content]

Hey, Aug. 22 is my anniversary too! (but Zedushka & I celebrate on the Hebrew date)

372 Simply Sarah  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:47:22am

Hi all. I know I haven’t posted on here in a long time (Things happen, I get distracted, and my focus shifts elsewhere), but I felt a bit of a need to post here with the whole situation with Ms. Manning this morning, as I’m well aware how closely LGF has followed the leak story and trial.

I’d just like to humbly ask that, since she has now publicly made clear that she identifies as a woman, proper pronouns and names be used when referring to her. She is a woman and wishes to be referred to as Chelsea Manning. Despite her actions and the strong disapproval one might feel towards them, she is a still a person and deserves to have this part of her identity be respected.

I only bring this up here because I know that Charles and the commentators on this site are not the kind to intentionally disrespect and disregard a trans* person (Especially knowing that at least one commentator is open about being a trans woman), but I also know that society at large still is trying to wrap it’s head around transgender people and how to deal with then. Because of that, I wanted to try and help make everyone here aware of the proper way to be respectful of Ms. Manning and other trans* people, since I know anyone using “he” is doing so out of understandable lack of knowledge rather than hate.

My best wishes to all of you and my thanks for your understanding.

373 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:48:23am

re: #359 Political Atheist

Nice, about the same here but it’s going to get hot in LA.

Forecast here is for a hot 88 degree day.

374 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:48:54am

re: #369 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone…it’s my anniversary, so I’ll share the wake up song I put on my wife’s facebook page (she’s still sleeping right now, but crank up the volume anyway).

[Embedded content]

Happy anniversary!

375 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:49:30am

re: #371 Vicious Babushka

Hey, Aug. 22 is my anniversary too! (but Zedushka & I celebrate on the Hebrew date)

Happy anniversary!

376 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:50:28am

re: #369 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone…it’s my anniversary, so I’ll share the wake up song I put on my wife’s facebook page (she’s still sleeping right now, but crank up the volume anyway).

[Embedded content]

Happy Anniversary.

377 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:50:28am

re: #369 darthstar

Happy anniversary !

378 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:51:50am

re: #372 Simply Sarah

I’ll use whatever pronouns someone wants, but hasn’t Manning kind of bounced back and forth on this?

But yeah, get ready for a whole load of nasty shit to be said about transsexuals. Wooo.

379 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:52:12am

re: #369 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone…it’s my anniversary, so I’ll share the wake up song I put on my wife’s facebook page (she’s still sleeping right now, but crank up the volume anyway).

What are your plans for celebrating?
What did you get her for a present?

380 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:52:26am

re: #363 Justanotherhuman

Won’t link.

That’s weird… try this:

Ok, that doesn’t work either

I guess something in Charles formatting changes https to http when linked

381 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:53:29am

My hubby and I had our 17y. anniversary on Aug.3.
We both forgot.
It was both sad, and hilarious.

382 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:55:33am

re: #381 OhNoZombies!

My hubby and I had our 17y. anniversary on Aug.3.
We both forgot.
It was both sad, and hilarious.

That’s one good thing about having Dec 31 as our anniversary. Impossible to forget :)

383 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 6:56:38am

re: #379 Vicious Babushka

What are your plans for celebrating?
What did you get her for a present?

I brought flowers home last night - turns out year four is flowers so I was on the money. Last year we got each other Lucchesi cowboy boots while we were in Aspen(and year three is leather wouldn’t you know). Next year is wood, so we’re getting each other a second story on the house.. The Pittsburgh Pirates are in town so she has to work tonight, but we’ll go out for an anniversary dinner after this home stand ends.

384 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:00:33am

re: #383 darthstar

Congrats and happy anniversary!

385 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:00:47am

re: #383 darthstar

I brought flowers home last night - turns out year four is flowers so I was on the money. Last year we got each other Lucchesi cowboy boots while we were in Aspen(and year three is leather wouldn’t you know). Next year is wood, so we’re getting each other a second story on the house.. The Pittsburgh Pirates are in town so she has to work tonight, but we’ll go out for an anniversary dinner after this home stand ends.

Happy Anniversary!

Go Bucs!

:)

386 Simply Sarah  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:01:17am

re: #378 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’ll use whatever pronouns someone wants, but hasn’t Manning kind of bounced back and forth on this?

But yeah, get ready for a whole load of nasty shit to be said about transsexuals. Wooo.

Yeah, it’s hard to tell what was happening with this over the last couple of years. It may have been she was still working things out in her head, it may have been to try and minimize publicly addressing the trans factor until after the court case was finished, could be something else.

And yes, it’s going to be extremely ugly for at least a day or two and probably even longer from the expected sectors.

387 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:01:32am

re: #370 Vicious Babushka

Ah, there’s our Bryan. Focused like a laser beam on the critical issue. //

388 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:03:53am
389 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:05:42am
390 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:06:43am

I don’t know enough about the political situation in Isreal currently, but there was what seemed to be an interesting article on NPR yesterday about Ruth Calderon npr.org who is apparently stirring things up a bit. I thought I’d ask the Lizard community about it.

391 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:07:25am

re: #386 Simply Sarah

Yeah, it’s hard to tell what was happening with this over the last couple of years. It may have been she was still working things out in her head, it may have been to try and minimize publicly addressing the trans factor until after the court case was finished, could be something else.

And yes, it’s going to be extremely ugly for at least a day or two and probably even longer from the expected sectors.

I’ll just be glad when society starts focusing on people’s brains instead of their genitals.

Of course, get ready for all the jokes about Manning being a p**** anyway, a direct insult to women everywhere.

392 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:09:54am

Welp. From now on it’s Chelsea and her not he.

393 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:10:07am

Chelsea Manning. Still an asshole.

394 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:12:05am

re: #392 Gus

Welp. From now on it’s Chelsea and her not he.

Teahadists are now in an awkward position of supporting teh gay “whistle blower”.

395 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:12:13am

Aha, finally got the Army link to work. Add a http(s):// at the beginning

396 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:13:02am
397 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:14:01am
398 Weet  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:15:13am

re: #356 lawhawk

Seen a couple of rebukes of the polling claiming that this was a gotcha job done by PPP, which has Democratic party leaning.

Thanks for looking at the crosstab info.

PPP has proven to be very accurate. The guys running it are obvious progressives, but their methods are excellent. Their results actually leaned a little too Republican for 2012, if I remember correctly.

399 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:15:33am

re: #394 Dr. Matt

Teahadists are now in an awkward position of supporting teh gay “whistle blower”.

No doubt. But as you know most trans are straight. Kind of pissed off that this has now turned into a discussion about trans people using Manning as a vehicle.

400 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:16:20am
401 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:16:35am

I need a drink.

402 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:16:51am

“I want to be a woman. I want to have babies.”
Youtube Video

403 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:17:48am

re: #400 Gus

[Embedded content]

at first I read “beaver” instead of “braver”…time for a coffee break.

404 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:22:48am

well since everyone apparently agrees that Manning is one confused individual, I hope that the self determination regarding gender will help them resolve some of that. Still have to do the time for the crime, but I hope after the sentence is served (or parts thereof) that they can find a way to live a life and find some solace if not happiness.

405 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:23:47am

re: #399 Gus

No doubt. But as you know most trans are straight.

Correct. But in RWNJ world you are teh gay if you’re not a card carrying, flag waving, Caucasian heterosexual.

406 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:26:12am

re: #401 Gus

I need a drink.

It’s happy hour in Greece.

407 Simply Sarah  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:27:59am

re: #399 Gus

No doubt. But as you know most trans are straight. Kind of pissed off that this has now turned into a discussion about trans people using Manning as a vehicle.

Actually, more recent studies of trans women have tended to indicate that a sizable majority are either lesbian or bi. But that’s neither here nor there, really.

408 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:30:28am

re: #407 Simply Sarah

Actually, more recent studies of trans women have tended to indicate that a sizable majority are either lesbian or bi. But that’s neither here nor there, really.

It’s EVERYWHERE and all over the place and the sole topic of discussion and you can’t spell BENGHAZI without BI!

409 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:42:32am

re: #404 piratedan

well since everyone apparently agrees that Manning is one confused individual, I hope that the self determination regarding gender will help them resolve some of that. Still have to do the time for the crime, but I hope after the sentence is served (or parts thereof) that they can find a way to live a life and find some solace if not happiness.

It’s still a very controversial subject. The majority are M-F, and there are the problems derived from attitudes after the surgery, as well, although some elect not to have surgery (keeping options open if living as the opposite sex isn’t something they wish to maintain).

If anyone thinks SRS is going to solve all their problems, it’s the wrong way to go. I have no problems with those who are able to adjust and are at peace with themselves and enjoy their lives.

advocate.com

410 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:48:00am
411 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:51:04am
IDF NOW CONFIRMING THEY DID NOT RETURN FIRE AT LEBANON.

Yet

412 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:52:45am

GD this man is toxic

413 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:53:09am

re: #411 NJDhockeyfan

Yet

Israeli official makes statement in alleged attempt to derail peace talks. News spreads like wildfire. Hezbollah fires 4 rockets in attempt to derail peace talks. Crickets.

414 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:54:08am

re: #412 Vicious Babushka

GD this man is toxic

Russia to homosexuals: We’ll stay out of your bedroom, you stay out of our streets. Sounds like a fair trade to me.

America to Bryan Fischer: we’ll stay out of your church if you stay off our airwaves and Internet. Sounds like a fair trade to me.

415 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:55:20am
416 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:55:31am

re: #413 Gus

Israeli official makes statement in alleged attempt to derail peace talks. News spreads like wildfire. Hezbollah fires 4 rockets in attempt to derail peace talks. Crickets.

Condemnation by the UN in 5…4…3…2… never mind.

417 SnowdenBaggerVance  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:58:17am

A B-list celebrity billionaire CEO client of mine just posted on Facebook showing he’s Truther Curious.

Architects & Engineers: Solving the Mystery of WTC 7 (not linking to the idiotic video)

WTF is the matter with people?

418 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:03:23am

Looks like the Diary of Dorkas has expired. No new updates since April 29th.

/// what a shame.

419 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:08:57am

re: #412 Vicious Babushka

GD this man is toxic

[Embedded content]

Bryan, why don’t you just cut to the chase, grow a beard, and put on a turban already? The only difference between you and the Taliban is they are honest about wanting to run our lives.

420 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:14:00am

re: #414 Sol Berdinowitz

America to Bryan Fischer: we’ll stay out of your church if you stay off our airwaves and Internet. Sounds like a fair trade to me.

421 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:15:05am

re: #420 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

OMG, VB, you have turned me into a vicarious twitterer…

what is gonna become of me?

422 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:16:50am

re: #421 Sol Berdinowitz

OMG, VB, you have turned me into a vicarious twitterer…

what is gonna become of me?

Just don’t post Derp, you don’t know if it will end up on Teh Twitters.

423 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:17:33am

Erick ben Erick is saying this like it’s a Bad Thing.

424 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:19:33am

When most people think of the Manhattan Project, they think of Hanford, Oak Ridge, or the deserts of New Mexico.

What they don’t realize is that the Manhattan Project had significant presences in far more places - including the very location it was named after.

While not located in Manhattan, there’s one place that also deserves a look; it’s a spit of land just under the Bayonne Bridge in Richmond Terrace on Staten Island where a batch of uranium delivered from the Belgian Congo was stored. Some of it spilled and contaminated the land there, but the rest was sent on to be processed and was used in the first atomic bombs.

That uranium ore was owned by Edgar Sengier, who had offices in the Cunard Building at 25 Broadway.

425 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:20:04am

Pres Obama getting a rousing reception at Univ of Buffalo!

He’s supposed to talk about higher ed costs among other subjects.

Got Brian Brown and Brian Riggins confused, lol. “This is what happens when you get to be 52 yrs old.” : )

426 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:23:20am

Wow. I don’t normally engage on Facebook, but someone posted a graphic with Chris Lane - the guy who was shot in Oklahoma - and 2 of the 3 perps(and I’ll let you guess which ones), with ‘Where’s the media outrage’? I couldn’t stand it, so I pointed exactly why there is no parallel with the Martin case.

Her response? Essentially that black teens are lazy and dangerous, which she knows from hours spent in prisons and housing projects.

Okay, so what is she saying? That the media aren’t doing ENOUGH to make us afraid of young black men?

427 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:23:50am

re: #424 lawhawk

I think the first operating nuclear reactor was in Chicago too. Pretty amazing they did it in the middle of the city.

428 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:24:02am

re: #422 Vicious Babushka

Just don’t post Derp, you don’t know if it will end up on Teh Twitters.

It’s a quiet vicarious thrill, nobody knows it but us Lizards…

429 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:26:06am

Wingnuts favorite meme

They may THINK that’s what they’re talking about, but it all comes out
DERP DERP HURR HURR ARGLEBARGLE BENGHAZI!!11!!OBAMA!!11!!

430 b.d.  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:27:31am

www.freechelseamanning.com redirects to a German freebradleymanning.net

431 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:27:48am
432 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:29:18am

re: #424 lawhawk

When most people think of the Manhattan Project, they think of Hanford, Oak Ridge, or the deserts of New Mexico.

What they don’t realize is that the Manhattan Project had significant presences in far more places - including the very location it was named after.

While not located in Manhattan, there’s one place that also deserves a look; it’s a spit of land just under the Bayonne Bridge in Richmond Terrace on Staten Island where a batch of uranium delivered from the Belgian Congo was stored. Some of it spilled and contaminated the land there, but the rest was sent on to be processed and was used in the first atomic bombs.

That uranium ore was owned by Edgar Sengier, who had offices in the Cunard Building at 25 Broadway.

Got its name from the organization that ran it—the Manhattan District of the Army Corps of Engineers. The boss was a one-star named Groves, a very effective SOB who earlier had brought the Pentagon construction in on-time, on-budget. AFAIK, there still is a Manhattan District—some of my buddies worked there on ordinary Engineer Things.

433 SnowdenBaggerVance  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:33:08am

re: #426 GeneJockey

Wow. I don’t normally engage on Facebook, but someone posted a graphic with Chris Lane - the guy who was shot in Oklahoma - and 2 of the 3 perps(and I’ll let you guess which ones), with ‘Where’s the media outrage’? I couldn’t stand it, so I pointed exactly why there is no parallel with the Martin case.

The outrage is everywhere, I’ve been hearing about it on radio and seeing it on news.

‘Where’s the outrage’ is the current dog whistle.

434 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:33:50am

re: #432 Decatur Deb

Got its name from the organization that ran it—the Manhattan District of the Army Corps of Engineers. The boss was a one-star named Groves, a very effective SOB who earlier had brought the Pentagon construction in on-time, on-budget. AFAIK, there still is a Manhattan District—some of my buddies worked there on ordinary Engineer Things.

And you probably have to bet that Groves could herd cats. Imagine having to handle a huge pile of physicists and engineers like that for a project that massive and expensive.

435 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:34:02am

I hope this is a Fake Quote but I fear that it may not be.

436 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:35:01am

re: #434 Feline Fearless Leader

And you probably have to bet that Groves could herd cats. Imagine having to handle a huge pile of physicists and engineers like that for a project that massive and expensive.

There are some books/films about the relationship of him and Oppenheimer.

437 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:35:13am

re: #425 Justanotherhuman

Pres Obama getting a rousing reception at Univ of Buffalo!

He’s supposed to talk about higher ed costs among other subjects.

Got Brian Brown and Brian Riggins confused, lol. “This is what happens when you get to be 52 yrs old.” : )

Aww shoot. Just turned 59. There must be no hope then!!!

438 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:40:45am
439 SnowdenBaggerVance  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:41:57am

re: #426 GeneJockey

Google search ‘Chris Lane where’s the outrage?’

48,500,500 hits (.25 seconds)

That’s a whole bunch of outrage mixed in with a whole bunch of race baiters crowing.

440 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:42:29am

re: #433 Carlos Diggler

The outrage is everywhere, I’ve been hearing about it on radio and seeing it on news.

‘Where’s the outrage’ is the current dog whistle.

There no wave of media attention over this I think because it is almost universal agreement that the three teens carried out an unnecessary, unthinking, and callous crime. There is no push-back that it was justified, or self-defense, etc. etc. to split opinion.

And you can’t get to the racist rhetoric on it until you start gaming the situation and splitting up the perpetrators. And the regular media is not playing this game. So it is left to the nuts to do that and then yell, scream, and stamp their little feet.

441 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:43:52am

re: #435 Vicious Babushka

I hope this is a Fake Quote but I fear that it may not be.

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He said something about trees causing pollution when he was Governor. I don’t think he said ‘more than automobiles’, though.

442 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:43:58am

re: #435 Vicious Babushka

“Trees cause more pollution than automobiles.”

Confirmed. FACT. /

443 kirkspencer  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:46:26am

re: #435 Vicious Babushka

I hope this is a Fake Quote but I fear that it may not be.

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No, it’s real. And worse, it was in relation to the causes of smog.

444 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:46:39am

re: #437 ObserverArt

Aww shoot. Just turned 59. There must be no hope then!!!

Yeah, but just imagine how much he has on his plate! I just cannot imagine.

For instance, I was at the grocery store the other day and drew a brain fart on a pin number…after I’d been home 15 min. I remembered it—too late because they had already put the order back on the shelves. It really shook me up, not to mention the embarrassment!

445 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:47:42am

re: #427 Carlos Danger

Under Stagg Field in fact.

446 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:48:23am

re: #423 Vicious Babushka

Full-time college students…the next class of ‘takers’ of ‘free stuff’ and beneficiaries of ‘run away government spending’ for the RWNJ to whine about.

447 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:49:01am

re: #437 ObserverArt

Aww shoot. Just turned 59. There must be no hope then!!!

I just turned 60 on Tuesday. Right now, it doesn’t seem like a big deal for some reason.

448 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:51:03am

re: #423 Vicious Babushka

I wonder how the rebranding is going…..

//

449 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:52:40am

re: #448 Bulworth

I wonder how the rebranding is going…..

//

JUST PEACHY!!

450 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:52:57am

re: #448 Bulworth

I wonder how the rebranding is going…..

//

I’m pretty sure the campfire is burning and the irons have been placed accordingly, all they need are some cattle….

451 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:55:09am
452 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:55:25am
453 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:56:00am

Well, the New Mexico Gay Marriage thing went fast.

454 SnowdenBaggerVance  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:56:28am

The race baiting has taken a fever pitch after the Christopher Lane shooting. It’s still blowing over from Zimmerman’s trial.

455 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:57:27am
456 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:57:30am
457 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:00:50am

re: #455 NJDhockeyfan

If this is confirmed, there will be massive pressure to do something.

458 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:01:03am

re: #447 makeitstop

I just turned 60 on Tuesday. Right now, it doesn’t seem like a big deal for some reason.

I felt that at 50, but the thought of 55 looming next year does seem like a big deal…

459 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:01:12am

re: #455 NJDhockeyfan

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Those aren’t animals at the top. Sarin gas?

460 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:02:03am

re: #451 Gus

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So what if they censored journalists? Miranda got held up by UK airport security! That’s like the freakin’ Ghestapo!!!

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461 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:02:29am

Wingnuts having their usual Bucket O’Derp over the President’s suggestion to make college education more affordable.
Also too, this person is not a “Liberal” just a wingnut trolling #UniteBlue:

462 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:03:41am

re: #457 ProTARDISLiberal

If this is confirmed, there will be massive pressure to do something.

Of course. Killing animals pisses people off more than the murder of men, women and children. Pathetic isn’t it?

463 SnowdenBaggerVance  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:05:24am

re: #462 NJDhockeyfan

Of course. Killing animals pisses people off more than the murder of men, women and children. Pathetic isn’t it?

WTF are you talking about?

464 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:06:33am

re: #453 ProTARDISLiberal

Well, the New Mexico Gay Marriage thing went fast.

It ain’t over. So far it’s just one county clerk saying, basically, ‘Well, our constitution doesn’t say we can’t do it….’ And the state attorney general (who issued an opinion to that effect already) says, ‘I have no power over county clerks’.

There are court cases in the works that should confirm (or deny) SSM is legal in NM.

465 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:07:17am
466 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:08:19am

re: #462 NJDhockeyfan

Of course. Killing animals pisses people off more than the murder of men, women and children. Pathetic isn’t it?

Er, I don’t think people are going to be pissed off at the death of livestock, no.

It is, however, a possible sign that chemical weapons are being used.

467 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:09:43am

re: #447 makeitstop

I just turned 60 on Tuesday. Right now, it doesn’t seem like a big deal for some reason.

Happy birthday!

468 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:10:27am

re: #465 Gus

Want.

469 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:10:39am

re: #440 Feline Fearless Leader

Well I for one am outraged about the Chris Lane killing. It is tragic, hideous and awful. And I feel not one whit of sympathy for these teen-age thugs (Two of whom appear to be African American, one whose race I’m unsure of).

But the ‘race realists’ fail to appreciate the significance of almost a 100 years of post-Civil War violence against Blacks and 200+ years of slavery before that. One race group has been excluded and oppressed for many years. The country has been slow to recognize this but is in the process of remembering. So, yes, some killings generate a degree of interest that others don’t. However, the killing of Chris Lane seems to be getting an appropriate level of attention.

470 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:11:46am

re: #467 wrenchwench

Happy birthday!

Thank you, WW! It was a good one - I got to loaf. Still catching up on the work I blew off, but it was worth it.

471 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:13:30am

re: #468 darthstar

Youtube Video

472 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:13:42am

re: #458 Sol Berdinowitz

I’m nearing 47. I feel….I don’t know. Doing well physically but thinking more about the dwindling number of ‘good’ years I have left and what I want to do in them.

473 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:14:04am
474 SnowdenBaggerVance  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:14:32am

re: #466 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Er, I don’t think people are going to be pissed off at the death of livestock, no.

It is, however, a possible sign that chemical weapons are being used.

I’m just wondering who is more pissed off at the death of animals than men, women, and children.

475 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:14:55am

re: #462 NJDhockeyfan

No, I was meaning the chemical attacks in general.

France is now pushing for action if this is confirmed.

476 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:15:39am

re: #470 makeitstop

Thank you, WW! It was a good one - I got to loaf. Still catching up on the work I blew off, but it was worth it.

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477 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:16:15am

Is this a new standard with Manning? One proclaims that he or she is trans and then begin hormonal therapy? I thought that wasn’t until after several therapy sessions? What about what called the real life test?

478 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:17:13am

re: #466 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Today’s news out of Syria is that Assad’s forces are bombarding the area where the claimed chemical weapons strikes occurred.

Could be an effort on Assad’s part to destroy evidence of the attacks, or coincidence (we’re talking about an ongoing battle in the area that’s part of a larger civil war after all), but I’m not big on coincidences. He’s used chemical weapons before, and this seems to be part of that trend.

While the casualty figures are all over the map - from about 130 on up to 1,300, I think we’re probably looking at an attack with the lower end of casualties, which would still be the worst chemical weapons attack since Assad began using chemical weapons, and the worst since Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons in the Anfal campaign.

479 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:17:30am

re: #463 Carlos Diggler

WTF are you talking about?

I know a few people who get more emotional reading about animals being killed or abused than people. I’m not talking about a majority of people feeling that way.

480 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:17:43am

I wonder how the fact of a chemical attack will be confirmed? Examining the bodies of the victims? That would probably confirm effect but maybe not cause (i.e. who did it). But it would seem the government would be among those most likely to possess the capability.

481 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:18:08am
482 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:18:41am

re: #477 Gus

I’ll call someone whatever pronoun they want. It’s no skin of my teeth. I have friends who are utterly biologically male and aren’t ever going to do hormone whatever, but they’re ‘she’, and that’s fine.

483 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:18:48am

Breaking: Mayor Filner has resigned.

484 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:20:26am

re: #483 Gus

Breaking: Mayor Filner has resigned.

Yeah, funny how that tends to happen when your entire party turns against you.

485 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:20:33am

re: #483 Gus

dumb SOB didn’t realize that he wasn’t a Republican and therefore couldn’t get away with shit behavior like that.

486 SnowdenBaggerVance  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:21:09am

re: #479 NJDhockeyfan

I know a few people who get more emotional reading about animals being killed or abused than people. I’m not talking about a majority of people feeling that way.

I don’t know anybody like that.

I know some people who work with animals placing them in homes and generally caring for them but I don’t know they’re positions on politics because they don’t share those views.

487 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:21:47am

re: #483 Gus

Breaking: Mayor Filner has resigned.

I don’t know. CNN has failed to confirm that Filner is staying in office. //

488 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:23:15am

re: #482 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’ll call someone whatever pronoun they want. It’s no skin of my teeth. I have friends who are utterly biologically male and aren’t ever going to do hormone whatever, but they’re ‘she’, and that’s fine.

I know. I’m referring to people calling the Army’s announcement that they won’t provide hormonal therapy for Manning as cruel and unusual. Even beyond the psychological confirmation HRT has medical consequences. It’s not just as easy as flipping a switch. There could also be chromosomal considerations. Another thing is that sometimes people think they’re trans but aren’t. It’s not that simple and the first step Manning should take is to attempt to address psychological counseling first. I’m sure the Army could at least provide that.

490 SnowdenBaggerVance  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:25:48am

Anyway, the Christopher Lane shooting is tragic and outrageous. Cue the lack of discussions about guns and the heightened concern over video games.

What’s just as outrageous to me is the continuance of pedantic race baiting that has barely subsided post Zimmerman trial, which I’ve frequently been told wasn’t about race. It just goes to show that there are racial components to the Zimmerman/Martin case and a large part of our society does not want to talk about them, therefore the childish attempts to derail the conversation by whatever means necessary.

491 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:27:01am

re: #490 Carlos Diggler

It was all about hoodies!

492 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:27:28am

re: #486 Carlos Diggler

I don’t know anybody like that.

I know some people who work with animals placing them in homes and generally caring for them but I don’t know they’re positions on politics because they don’t share those views.

A used to work with a couple of PETA kooks.

493 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:28:44am

re: #489 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Mayor Bob Filner expected to resign in sex harassment lawsuit deal

Fucking finally. That sleaze can’t get out of office fast enough.

The people of San Diego deserve better.

494 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:29:46am

re: #492 NJDhockeyfan

A used to work with a couple of PETA kooks.

My best friend is vegetarian and was briefly in PETA when she was in high school. She is the first one to rip them a new one for every stupid stunt they pull and every dumb thing they say.

495 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:30:59am

re: #486 Carlos Diggler

there’s this entire network devoted to them called Animal Planet. I know of folks that will gladly devote cash to animal rescue organizations and not spend a single dime on helping their fellow persons based on the logic that none of the animals can speak for or help themselves.

not saying I agree, but those folks are most definitely out there amongst us.

496 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:32:04am
497 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:32:19am

re: #483 Gus

Breaking: Mayor Filner has resigned.

About damn time.

498 SnowdenBaggerVance  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:32:44am

re: #492 NJDhockeyfan

A used to work with a couple of PETA kooks.

I find it a little weird that one of your first comments about a chemical weapons attack killing hundreds of men, women, children, and animals was to share your disdain about PETA kooks, none of which are here on this blog (that I know of…)

(looks around with a steely glint…)

But hey, I’m not outraged. Everybody can move along now.

499 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:33:04am

re: #494 Lidane

My best friend is vegetarian and was briefly in PETA when she was in high school. She is the first one to rip them a new one for every stupid stunt they pull and every dumb thing they say.

PETA has nothing to do with animals or with vegetarians or vegans.

PETA is a porno production company.

When they did that girl in a neck brace ad, that was the kicker.

500 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:33:38am
501 SnowdenBaggerVance  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:34:32am

Chem weapons attack? Let’s talk about kooky PETA people.

And key lime pie. I loves me some key lime pie.

502 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:36:45am

re: #500 Gus

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Jesus…

503 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:36:58am

re: #501 Carlos Diggler

Chem weapons attack? Let’s talk about kooky PETA people.

And key lime pie. I loves me some key lime pie.

The conversation took this tack when somebody asked “Who cares more about animals getting killed than people getting killed?” and somebody else said “PETA!”

But in fact PETA does not care about animals or people getting killed.

Now let’s talk about Pie.

504 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:37:28am

re: #501 Carlos Diggler

Chem weapons attack? Let’s talk about kooky PETA people.

And key lime pie. I loves me some key lime pie.

VB, make us pie.
Kthx.

505 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:38:07am

re: #500 Gus

Rim Fire? I get that after eating Indian food…

506 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:38:38am

Developing:

All Nasdaq markets halting trading due to processor issue

507 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:39:10am

re: #503 Vicious Babushka

The conversation took this tack when somebody asked “Who cares more about animals getting killed than people getting killed?” and somebody else said “PETA!”

But in fact PETA does not care about animals or people getting killed.

Now let’s talk about Pie.

Anyone for a Frankenburger?

508 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:39:42am

re: #483 Gus

Breaking: Mayor Filner has resigned.

18 is enough.

509 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:39:51am

Blueberry pie!

510 SnowdenBaggerVance  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:42:05am

re: #503 Vicious Babushka

Now let’s talk about Pie.

I like key lime pie. There is nothing else to talk about.

Now lets talk about transmorphic paradym analytics optimizing vertical markets. But I got about 5 mins before I have to pack up and leave so make it fast.

511 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:43:06am

re: #499 Vicious Babushka

PETA has nothing to do with animals or with vegetarians or vegans.

PETA is a porno production company.

When they did that girl in a neck brace ad, that was the kicker.

I’d never seen that ad before. That was abhorrent.

512 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:43:23am

re: #506 lawhawk

Developing:

All Nasdaq markets halting trading due to processor issue

They should probably upgrade that Intel 8088.

513 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:43:38am

re: #509 Vicious Babushka

Blueberry pie!

Cherry is my favourite, but that looks so yummy!

514 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:44:29am

re: #510 Carlos Diggler

Key Lime Pie!

515 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:46:05am

re: #513 Eclectic Cyborg

Cherry is my favourite, but that looks so yummy!

Cherry Pie!

516 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:46:36am

The search function in the Image Library doesn’t work. :(

517 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:47:41am
518 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:51:13am

re: #515 Vicious Babushka

Cherry Pie!

Oh now you’re just teasing. :P

519 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:51:37am

re: #515 Vicious Babushka

Cherry Pie!

Dang-blang it, VB! I’m trying to lose weight! Now I want half a lattice-top cherry pie with a bucket of vanilla ice cream the size of my head!

520 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:51:42am

re: #509 Vicious Babushka

Blueberry pie!

That will be my next pie attempt unless I find something at the farmer’s market that catches my eye.

Made a strawberry pie a few days ago. Turned out okay, but it’s definitely still a learning process for me. I’ll give myself points for effort, but the recipe needs tweaking.

521 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:52:33am

About the James Lane shooting:

Fox & Friends, Daily Caller Falsely Report ‘3 Black Teens’ Arrested in Chris Lane Murder

On Wednesday morning, Fox and Friends aired a segment in which they ostentatiously wondered why Revs. Sharpton and Jackson “haven’t come forward and said anything,” and even though they displayed a photo of the three suspects, which clearly showed that one of them is a white male, they quoted an Allen West tweet that said “Three black teens shoot white jogger.”

The Daily Caller actually improved on F&F. Initially, they ran a photo of the wrong Michael Jones, and issued this “correction”:

This, of course, changes everything. Edwards and Luna are being charged with first-degree murder, whereas Jones is charged with “using a vehicle to facilitate the discharge of a weapon and accessory after the fact of murder in the first degree.”

There’s your angle, Rev. Al. The one with the lightest skin got the lightest charge. The one who looks the least like Obama will get the least punishment. Let the racebaiting begin.

Except one of the three “black teenagers” was white, and is obviously so in the mugshot triptych shown on Fox. Daily Caller, however, has a photo of three black males. Somebody took the time to assemble a photo collage with a counterfeit “Chauncey Jones”…though not too long, because the photo is of a black male with bandanna photoshopped over his mouth and nose. I mean, I’m not a digital image guy at all, but the turquoise bandanna—which I guess is supposed to look like a bandit mask, comboy-movie style—clearly doesn’t follow the contours of the guys face and cheekbones. Like obvious, not-even-trying counterfeit.

Because they’re not really pissed about a senseless killing, they’re salivating at the chance to blame this on black people.

522 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:52:41am

No Strawberry-Rhubarb?

523 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:55:02am

re: #521 The Ghost of a Flea

My surprise - let me show you it.

524 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:55:39am


If Jim Hoft is reporting something, go grab the asbestos pants and fire extinguishers, because pants are on fire…. Again….

525 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:56:07am

re: #521 The Ghost of a Flea

Stay classy, Fox News, Daily Caller. //

526 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:57:25am

So, Cass Sunstein derangement has now met up with the LWNJs. Circle of derp attained.

527 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:58:06am

re: #526 Gus

So, Cass Sunstein derangement has now met up with the LWNJs. Circle of derp attained.

Fixed.

528 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:58:43am
529 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 9:59:54am

re: #527 Gus

Once Pat Robertson and crew deem Cass Sunstein as the Anti-Christ, then Peak Circle Derp will be reached.

530 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:00:04am

re: #528 Gus

I posted that upthread.

531 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:02:05am

Well, if Filner resigns is the political spotlight going to switch to Lt Gov Dewhurst after the release of his 12-minute 911 call where he tries to intimidate the police into releasing an arrested relative?

532 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:03:11am

re: #528 Gus

Dictatorship!

/

533 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:04:33am

Cass Sunstein will now personally examine all of our 100 billion emails. /

534 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:04:48am
535 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:05:15am

re: #526 Gus

So, Cass Sunstein derangement has now met up with the LWNJs. Circle of derp attained.

Sunstein really isn’t a great guy on the issue of executive power in particular, but he’s one of the few high-profile government legal dudes to really acknowledge that technology has changed things.

536 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:05:23am

re: #532 Bulworth

Dictatorship!

/

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537 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:05:49am

Early afternoon smile/music interlude:

Youtube Video

538 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:08:11am

Free Chelsea Manning - she had nothing to do with this.

539 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:09:52am

re: #538 darthstar

Free Chelsea Manning - she had nothing to do with this.

I saw that in the news this morning, that Bradley Manning will live in prison as a woman named Chelsea. I thought, “Yeah, THAT will go well.”

540 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:11:25am

I’ve seen some Tweets griping about the US not doing something on Twitter. I put up an FB status about it.

Okay, so I am seeing Tweets ragging on Obama and the US Govt. for not running straight into Syria after the recent probable chemical attack there. First of all, let’s confirm the circumstances that it occurred under. And once that is done, could we please plan first, shoot later? Like have a plan for what we would do, what the mission is, how we would do the mission, and how we would leave. You know, the exact things we didn’t do in Iraq?

541 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:14:04am
542 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:15:00am

Comical.

543 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:16:26am

re: #541 Gus

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Oh, man. Cue The GG crowing about this in 3, 2, 1….

544 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:17:03am
545 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:17:06am

re: #541 Gus

546 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:17:51am

re: #541 Gus

What’s the opinion in the UK over this whole circus. Hopefully less stupid than here.

The guy was ferrying data that had been illegally retrieved. He should be in prison for espionage.

547 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:18:11am
548 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:18:54am

Pratt: NSA Surveillance Will Force Us to Become ‘Literal’ Bomb-Throwers

In an episode of the Talk to Solomon show posted yesterday, Pratt and Solomon get very excited about the prospect of Sarah Palin running for Senate in Alaska (something that Palin herself has shown no public interest in). Pratt tells Solomon that Palin would be a much-needed “bomb-thrower” in the Senate, at which point Solomon interejects with a clarification to the NSA, which he believes might be “monitoring” his publicly available show: “By the way, NSA, if you’re monitoring our show, that was just a manner of speech, ‘bomb-throwers.’ We’re not Muslim morons. We’re not Democrat idiots. We’re actually intelligent life forms, so drop dead.”*

Pratt, however, evidently thinks Solomon is being too cautious: “Well, if they keep listening in on our conversations, who knows when it might become literal instead of a figure of speech.”

*OBJECTION! Citing facts not in evidence.

549 erik_t  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:18:57am

How dare Scotland Yard not respect the First Amendment of Journalism Something!!!1

550 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:19:23am

re: #541 Gus

The Miranda quantum state is totally dependent upon the Greenwald observer. It is Legion. And by the Guardian Uncertainty Principle you can not know both the Miranda’s physical location and its status regarding legal representation or journalist status at the same time.

Oddly enough, this also applies to computer components when inside the Guardian’s offices.
//

551 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:19:51am

re: #544 Gus

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“Oh, so now its a crime to illegally possess and transport stolen classified data?”

-The Derp Knight

552 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:20:59am

re: #551 Kragar

“Oh, so now its a crime to illegally possess and transport stolen classified data?”

-The Derp Knight

Whatever happened to ‘triple’, BTW? Softly and silently vanished away? All derped out?

553 blueraven  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:23:12am

re: #552 GeneJockey

Whatever happened to ‘triple’, BTW? Softly and silently vanished away? All derped out?

Uh oh…you invoked the triple. That’s already THREE times!

554 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:24:01am

re: #552 GeneJockey

left on base, unable to score…..

555 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:24:49am

re: #553 blueraven

Uh oh…you invoked the triple. That’s already THREE times!

You have to invoke it 3 times at midnight standing in front of the bathroom mirror.

556 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:24:50am
557 blueraven  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:25:20am

re: #555 Vicious Babushka

You have to invoke it 3 times at midnight standing in front of the bathroom mirror.

whew!

558 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:25:27am

re: #556 darthstar

Putin send them the keys.

559 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:25:29am

re: #547 Gus

[Embedded content]

Translation to Greenwaldian: “This makes us look bad!!”

560 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:25:43am

re: #552 GeneJockey

Whatever happened to ‘triple’, BTW? Softly and silently vanished away? All derped out?

We never even thanked him.

“And you’ll never have to.”

SWOOSH!

561 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:25:55am

re: #547 Gus

Metropolitan Police: material seized from journalist’s partner David Miranda at airport was “highly sensitive” and “could put lives at risk”

How thoughful of The GG to put his partner in such a position. SMH.

562 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:26:27am

So the NRA has a database of 10, 000,000 American gun owners (it’s like a national registry or something!). Sure would be a shame of Anonymous set their sites on THAT database…and yes, I’m sure I’m in it myself.

563 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:27:19am

re: #558 Vicious Babushka

Putin send them the keys.

1-2-4-3-5 - they’ll never figure it out as the numbers are highly scrambled.

564 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:27:55am

re: #561 makeitstop

How thoughful of The GG to put his partner in such a position. SMH.

Partner is in Brazil now and Brazil won’t extradite their citizens to other countries to stand trial. Best UK could hope for is to get a Brazilian court to try him under some special arrangement.

565 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:27:56am

Scotland Yard’s already begun a criminal investigation, has already begun examining the documents and is making a case…and a judge steps in to say “No more looking unless you can prove terrorism!”

Yes folks, just like the Ghestapo.////

566 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:28:13am

re: #550 Feline Fearless Leader

Greenwald’s Cat theorem posits that all those Greenwald touches are inherently considered journalists, except when he deems them not to be.

It differs from Schrodinger’s cat theorem because it’s possible that the cat lives in Schrodinger’s experiment.

567 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:28:22am

re: #437 ObserverArt

Aww shoot. Just turned 59. There must be no hope then!!!

me too - happy birthday, 1954 leo!

60 is the new ‘you ain’t a-retiring any time soon buster’

568 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:28:37am

re: #561 makeitstop

How thoughful of The GG to put his partner in such a position. SMH.

“David, because we haven’t backed up our claims, the outrage is dying out. How about ti you go through a couple major international airports with illegally-obtained, classified data. That should get me in the news again…er, I mean, that should get the NSA in the news again!”

569 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:28:38am

Alabama Republican candidate: ‘I’m against homosexuals pretending like they’re married’

I’m against bigoted asshats pretending they’re religious.

570 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:29:21am

horrific syria massacre for some reason not at the top of the news

it seems that some people think it might have been faked - ???

571 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:29:37am

re: #567 dog philosopher

me too - happy birthday, 1954 leo!

60 is the new ‘you ain’t a-retiring any time soon buster’

I turn 40 Saturday.

572 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:30:26am

re: #571 Kragar

I turn 40 Saturday.

you will never retire…

573 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:30:27am

re: #571 Kragar

I turn 40 Saturday.

happy bearsday!

574 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:31:12am

re: #572 Sol Berdinowitz

you will never retire…

i think i might retire, but i’ll be too senile to realize it

575 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:32:12am

re: #572 Sol Berdinowitz

you will never retire…

Hell, I’m 55, and I’m not sure I’ll be able to. And Walmart will be out of business by then, so I’ll have to find other work than greeting customers.

576 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:32:14am

re: #483 Gus

Breaking: Mayor Filner has resigned.

I’m reading that it depends on the City Council accepting a mediation deal. Who knows what kind of asinine things Filner put in that deal? This still could get dragged out.

577 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:32:15am

re: #572 Sol Berdinowitz

you will never retire…

I’ve known that for year. I’ll work till the day I drop dead.

578 EPR-radar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:33:23am

re: #569 Kragar

Alabama Republican candidate: ‘I’m against homosexuals pretending like they’re married’

I’m against bigoted asshats pretending they’re religious.

Item 3 of this jackasses pledge is amusing: “The tenants of my church oppose gay marriage”.

579 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:33:37am

re: #571 Kragar

I turn 40 Saturday.

Youngster.
/

580 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:34:26am

re: #578 EPR-radar

Item 3 of this jackasses pledge is amusing: “The tenants of my church oppose gay marriage”.

So he has people living in his Church?

581 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 10:37:19am

re: #580 Kragar

So he has people living in his Church?

Someone misunderstood “The Temple Veil will be rent.”

582 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:23:29pm

re: #236 OhNoZombies!

Of course…
I heard he caused H. Katrina, and forced T-Rexes to eat salad.
Diabolical!

Obama rejected a WWI veteran’s application to a Vienna art school, but encouraged him to re-apply as an architecture major, and then rejected the veteran’s architecture portfolio.


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