Here’s an absolutely fantastic recent live performance of the Burt Bacharach classic “Close To You,” by the great Tommy Emmanuel. If anyone deserves the title “world’s best acoustic guitarist,” it has to be Tommy because he plays everything with such impeccable style and nuance.
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dog philosopher Thu, Oct 10, 2013 4:55:57pm |
when i play ‘close to you’ they just get farther away
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 10, 2013 4:57:34pm |
The tone of that guitar just kills me. It’s like a fine aged whisky.
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Gus Thu, Oct 10, 2013 4:58:14pm |
Did Pentagon sources issue a warning to Russian officials to expect a 'radical change' in the U.S. government soon? http://t.co/zOx5YwRjKa— snopes.com (@snopes) October 10, 2013
Derp.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 4:58:55pm |
This is great. Always enjoy fine acoustic guitar.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:01:00pm |
Youtube Video
In honor of Phil Chevron, who died Tuesday.
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b.d. Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:02:50pm |
re: #3 Gus
Shoot, that’s probably why Kim Young One put N. Korea on expect the unexpected warch. N. Korea reads NewsMax as a real source.
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:03:51pm |
re: #6 b.d.
Shoot, that’s probably why Kim Young One put N. Korea on expect the unexpected warch. N. Korea reads NewsMax as a real source.
“The National Enquirer?”
“Best investigative reporting on the planet!”
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Gus Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:04:23pm |
re: #6 b.d.
Shoot, that’s probably why Kim Young One put N. Korea on expect the unexpected warch. N. Korea reads NewsMax as a real source.
Worse. EU Times. I forgot if that’s a white supremacist run site or a neo-Nazi.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:04:35pm |
re: #7 GeneJockey
“The National Enquirer?”
“Best investigative reporting on the planet!”
Glenn Beck, a latter day Ed Morrow.
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dog philosopher Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:05:01pm |
re: #7 GeneJockey
“The National Enquirer?”
“Best investigative reporting on the planet!”
but which planet?
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Gus Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:05:25pm |
Racist Skinhead’s Wife Behind European ‘News’ Website
The online news site European Union Times (EUT) — which recently “broke” a story about President Obama preparing for an imminent civil war — is being cited as a credible source by several libertarian bloggers who are hyping the story.
It turns out the EUT was created in October and is registered to the wife of a racist skinhead gang member who was involved in a bizarre stabbing incident last month.
The story began on Dec. 9 when the EUT reported that Obama has ordered 200,000 troops to be redeployed to the U.S. Northern Command in preparation for a civil war within the United States before the end of winter…
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:06:40pm |
By the way, I did a pretty radical redesign today of the way tag auto-completion works when you post a Page. It now does a live lookup as you’re typing, via an Ajax call to the server, instead of loading a big list of tags and keeping them in memory.
This will be much more scaleable, because I’ve been noticing problems as the Pages database gets larger and more and more tags are added. They take up more memory and take more time to load, and put a bigger strain on the database to return such a large set of results.
The new live lookup system also lets me do some other neat things, like sorting the tags so that the ones you use the most will now appear at the top of the autocomplete list.
You may notice a short delay as you start typing a tag that wasn’t there before, but it shouldn’t be too noticeable - and it won’t get worse, like the previous in-memory approach has been doing.
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:08:34pm |
re: #9 HappyWarrior
Glenn Beck, a latter day Ed Morrow.
Those two names do not belong in the same sentence, unless that sentence also contains something like, “is the polar opposite of”, or “has absolutely nothing in common with”.
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:09:40pm |
re: #8 Gus
Worse. EU Times. I forgot if that’s a white supremacist run site or a neo-Nazi.
Wait - there’s difference?
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HoosierHoops Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:11:57pm |
Tommy reminds me of a guitarist with the same chops when I was a young guitarist learning how to play.
Mr. Chet Atkins. My dad thought he was a guitar god and I was always trashed by him cause I couldn’t play in that style. Nice memories Tommy.
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:13:36pm |
re: #12 Charles Johnson
Can you make it so they don’t auto-alphabetize when they go on the front page? Plays havoc with
Raving
Freakaziod
Nut Sandwich
Also,
lolwut
should always come at the end.
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:13:38pm |
re: #11 Gus
Doncha love the way they like to “clean up” their image after they’re caught?
Zebras don’t change their stripes.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:15:50pm |
re: #8 Gus
Do I care enough to look and see what’s going on with the latest Pamela Geller - EDL train wreck?
The only thing I’m curious about is what caused this so-called change of heart to happen now, instead of, say, six years ago when they first met those fucking goons. There’s probably some kind of concealed motive.
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bratwurst Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:17:18pm |
If anyone has a moment or two to spare tonight, can you please explain to me what in the world the point of this George Will column might be? It ran in today’s Chicago Tribune under the bizarre title of “Liberalism’s view of Kennedy’s assassination”, so maybe I am just confused by that…but it kinda seems in (attempting to) read the thing that he may not be totally thrilled with civil rights and such. He states:
The bullets fired on Nov. 22, 1963, could shatter the social consensus that characterized the 1950s only because powerful new forces of an adversarial culture were about to erupt through society’s crust.
Do you suppose he is unaware that a sizable percentage of the American people had a bit of a problem with “the social consensus that characterized the 1950s”?!?
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:18:14pm |
re: #18 Charles Johnson
Do I care enough to look and see what’s going on with the latest Pamela Geller - EDL train wreck?
The only thing I’m curious about is what caused this so-called change of heart to happen now, instead of, say, six years ago when they first met those fucking goons. There’s probably some kind of concealed motive.
It seems that Tommy Robinson is hanging out with MUZLIMZ!1!now.
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:18:39pm |
re: #15 HoosierHoops
Tommy reminds me of a guitarist with the same chops when I was a young guitarist learning how to play.
Mr. Chet Atkins. My dad thought he was a guitar god and I was always trashed by him cause I couldn’t play in that style. Nice memories Tommy.
How about both together?
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Gus Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:18:46pm |
re: #18 Charles Johnson
Do I care enough to look and see what’s going on with the latest Pamela Geller - EDL train wreck?
The only thing I’m curious about is what caused this so-called change of heart to happen now, instead of, say, six years ago when they first met those fucking goons. There’s probably some kind of concealed motive.
I haven’t looked. I did see that Le Pen is getting good numbers in France however.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:18:57pm |
Should here back from the Imam on the potential apartments in OKC. He offered to help in choosing.
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ObserverArt Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:19:50pm |
Thanks Charles. Love the guitar vids. And you’re right that guitar is so nice and warm in the low end, yet goes right through the middle to nice clear high tones.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:19:58pm |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:21:39pm |
re: #19 bratwurst
If anyone has a moment or two to spare tonight, can you please explain to me what in the world the point of this George Will column might be? It ran in today’s Chicago Tribune under the bizarre title of “Liberalism’s view of Kennedy’s assassination”, so maybe I am just confused by that…but it kinda seems in (attempting to) read the thing that he may not be totally thrilled with civil rights and such. He states:
Do you suppose he is unaware that a sizable percentage of the American people was not at all part of “the social consensus that characterized the 1950s”?!?
Remember this is a guy who in his own words hates jeans. Not exactly Mr. in-touch.
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dog philosopher Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:21:47pm |
re: #19 bratwurst
If anyone has a moment or two to spare tonight, can you please explain to me what in the world the point of this George Will column might be? It ran in today’s Chicago Tribune under the bizarre title of “Liberalism’s view of Kennedy’s assassination”, so maybe I am just confused by that…but it kinda seems in (attempting to) read the thing that he may not be totally thrilled with civil rights and such. He states:
Do you suppose he is unaware that a sizable percentage of the American people was not at all part of “the social consensus that characterized the 1950s”?!?
i realized how utterly tripped out george will was when only a few years ago he published a column diagnosing the widespread wearing of blue jeans in america as a symptom of moral sloppiness and the degeneration of american culture
hard to take him seriously after that
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:21:58pm |
re: #15 HoosierHoops
Chet’s one of the all-time greats too, no doubt. But I think Tommy’s chops are way beyond even Chet. In addition to his finger-picking skills, Tommy can use a flat pick like Al Dimeola. Tommy’s just a natural monster, and he does it all with a great sense of humor and style.
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prairiefire Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:22:02pm |
re: #1 dog philosopher
when i play ‘close to you’ they just get farther away
“They flee from me that one time did seek me”
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dog philosopher Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:22:30pm |
re: #26 HappyWarrior
Remember this is a guy who in his own words hates jeans. Not exactly Mr. in-touch.
ok, you get an 8 second advantage, but i retrieved the link
ha!
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:23:54pm |
re: #30 dog philosopher
ok, you get an 8 second advantage, but i retrieved the link
ha!
Heh fair enough but yeah your’e right. Hard to take seriously a guy who hates on jeans when everyone from grandparents to toddlers wears them. Not to mention they’re more comfortable than slacks.
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dog philosopher Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:24:26pm |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:25:29pm |
You know whose guitar work I’ve come to like? Django Reinhardt. I like listening to his stuff and imagine I’m in a Parisian night club on the eve of WWII drinking whiskey or absinthe. Thought it was way cool that Scorsese put someone that looked like him in Hugo.
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ObserverArt Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:25:50pm |
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jaunte Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:26:23pm |
re: #13 GeneJockey
Glenn Beck, like Edward R. Murrow, has touched a blackboard.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:27:27pm |
In other news, two papers in Science today address human evolution in Europe, and have gotten some press.
Too much detail to go into here, but the bottom line is that there really were distinct movements of people, not just of inventions (in this case “inventions” = ceramics production, and farming).
Human migration is part of our being, we’ve done it since forever, and we’ll keep doing it, border-wall nuts or not.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:28:11pm |
re: #20 Dr Lizardo
It seems that Tommy Robinson is hanging out with MUZLIMZ!1!now.
Yeah, that’s pretty much it. I really got to hand in to Quilliam on getting to Robinson. Not that the EDL was a huge threat to society as whole, but I think decapitating the ELD was a really good move.
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:28:34pm |
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dog philosopher Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:29:26pm |
re: #33 HappyWarrior
You know whose guitar work I’ve come to like? Django Reinhardt. I like listening to his stuff and imagine I’m in a Parisian night club on the eve of WWII drinking whiskey or absinthe. Thought it was way cool that Scorsese put someone that looked like him in Hugo.
django reinhardt descended from mount olympus to bring the gift of swing to mere mortals
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Gus Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:29:28pm |
Mercury 7. John Glenn, first in space, last on Earth.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:30:00pm |
Which gets me back to a point I think ought to be made more - scratch any of these tea-partying ledge-walking nuts driving the GOP madness and underneath you’re going to find a creationist.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:31:34pm |
re: #40 dog philosopher
django reinhardt descended from mount olympus to bring the gift of swing to mere mortals
It’s funny. I actually got into him because they featured his music in a video game I played. I think Bellville was the first song I heard. Fan ever since and then I saw him listed in the top ten guitarists of all time in a magazine.
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ObserverArt Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:32:23pm |
re: #28 Charles Johnson
Chet’s one of the all-time greats too, no doubt. But I think Tommy’s chops are way beyond even Chet. In addition to his finger-picking skills, Tommy can use a flat pick like Al Dimeola. Tommy’s just a natural monster, and he does it all with a great sense of humor and style.
A year or more ago you had posted a video of him on stage at a live show all by himself, riffing out in a rock’a’billy vain and he was ripping off little runs on that acoustic that would make all the rock’a’billy guitarists jealous. He’s one of those guys that grew up with the guitar. Probably played hours a day just out of the love and developed into one of the best.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:32:26pm |
What? Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are “breaking” with the EDL and Tommy Robinson, because of all the Nazis? This is my surprised face.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 11, 2013
If I were being un-generous I might ask why they didn't have any qualms when they first met up with these troglodytes 6 years ago.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 11, 2013
It isn't like the English Defence League ever tried to hide what they were. Only idiots bought Geller and Spencer's excuses for them.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 11, 2013
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:33:13pm |
re: #42 freetoken
Which gets me back to a point I think ought to be made more - scratch any of these tea-partying ledge-walking nuts driving the GOP madness and underneath you’re going to find a creationist.
Agreed. Creationism is like the visible part of an iceberg at sea. The invisible part is a rabid denial of reality that is usually applied to all other issues in life.
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Balfour Rage Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:33:20pm |
You guys seen the latest OUTRAGEOUS! OUTRAGE! in the derpsphere that is the right wing echo chamber? The Dumbest Man on the Internet, et al are spreading the lie that the ACA website cost $634 million to design and build. That’s a lot of rubles. The Blaze (stay with me here) reported the actual cost was closer to $93 million, and I submit there is no way in hell it cost THAT much. Anyway, when you have lost The Blaze, you have lost period.
theblaze.com
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:33:57pm |
Speaking of guitars…I fell in love with this at age 10. It was the beginning of a lifelong love affair w/the guitar. Listening to others, that is, all genres, classical, jazz, rock, acoustic & electric. I have no talent for playing, as I found out years ago.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:34:41pm |
re: #47 Balfour Rage
You guys seen the latest OUTRAGEOUS! OUTRAGE! in the derpsphere that is the right wing echo chamber? The Dumbest Man on the Internet, et al are spreading the lie that the ACA website cost $634 million to design and build. That’s a lot of rubles. The Blaze (stay with me here) reported the actual cost was closer to $93 million, and I submit there is no way in hell it cost THAT much. Anyway, when you have lost The Blaze, you have lost period.
theblaze.com
That’s DimJim for you. He gets outraged at the Obama twitter feed posting photos from a previous fourth of July on New Years Day. He’d believe that Obama said he wanted to emulate Hitler if you told him.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:34:56pm |
re: #40 dog philosopher
django reinhardt descended from mount olympus to bring the gift of swing to mere mortals
Eh? He was good, probably the greatest in Europe, but Edward Kennedy Ellington taught the world that it don’t mean a thing if it ain’t got that swing,
I need to go put on some 20’s jazz now … ;)
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Gus Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:35:21pm |
Shutdown day…
Dear GOP. You're going to regret this.— Gus (@Gus_802) October 1, 2013
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:35:36pm |
re: #38 Killgore Trout
Yeah, that’s pretty much it. I really got to hand in to Quilliam on getting to Robinson. Not that the EDL was a huge threat to society as whole, but I think decapitating the ELD was a really good move.
I’m pretty sure that move blindsided both Pam and Spencer. I doubt they saw it coming.
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b.d. Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:36:01pm |
Very gracious tweets there Charles, I am sure that you’ll receive some very heartfelt responses.
:P
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:37:07pm |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:37:36pm |
Dog whistle
God, MSNBC is such a black hole. Oh, sorry. #dogwhistle http://t.co/Z9nwOH2Ax1— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) October 11, 2013
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:37:47pm |
re: #46 EPR-radar
Agreed. Creationism is like the visible part of an iceberg at sea. The invisible part is a rabid denial of reality that is usually applied to all other issues in life.
If you’re willing to believe one thing against all evidence, and deny the validity of that evidence BECAUSE it contradicts that belief, because it makes you feel better, you’ll be willing to believe almost anything against all evidence, and deny the validity of that evidence BECAUSE it contradicts that belief.
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:38:11pm |
re: #48 Justanotherhuman
I don’t remember how old I was, but I was blown away the first time I heard the Concierto de Aranjuez. Second movement at link.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:38:15pm |
re: #42 freetoken
Which gets me back to a point I think ought to be made more - scratch any of these tea-partying ledge-walking nuts driving the GOP madness and underneath you’re going to find a creationist.
Absolutely. I was surprised to discover how widespread the creationist delusion is on the right, when the subject first began to come up here at LGF. Surprised and very disturbed.
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Iwouldprefernotto Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:38:30pm |
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:38:36pm |
re: #55 Vicious Babushka
What a smug little douche.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:39:38pm |
re: #52 Dr Lizardo
I’m pretty sure that move blindsided both Pam and Spencer. I doubt they saw it coming.
I think you’re right about that. It’s interesting that they are his biggest supporters here in the States but he never discusses this with him. I think Robinson said he’s been thinking about this for a year or more but Spencer and Geller were completely unaware.
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:40:04pm |
re: #56 GeneJockey
If you’re willing to believe one thing against all evidence, and deny the validity of that evidence BECAUSE it contradicts that belief, because it makes you feel better, you’ll be willing to believe almost anything against all evidence, and deny the validity of that evidence BECAUSE it contradicts that belief.
Precisely. Being a creationist is like having an earned doctorate in intellectually dishonest fuckwittery. Naturally these people are the tip of the spear for movement conservatism.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:41:06pm |
re: #57 EPR-radar
I don’t remember how old I was, but I was blown away the first time I heard the Concierto de Aranjuez. Second movement at link.
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First heard it on a NYC classical station. When the ‘DJ’ announced it, I thought it was Concierto da Aaron Weiss.
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piratedan Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:44:20pm |
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:44:33pm |
re: #61 Killgore Trout
I think you’re right about that. It’s interesting that they are his biggest supporters here in the States but he never discusses this with him. I think Robinson said he’s been thinking about this for a year or more but Spencer and Geller were completely unaware.
That certainly makes me wonder why he didn’t discuss something like that with them.
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:44:42pm |
re: #63 Decatur Deb
First heard it on a NYC classical station. When the ‘DJ’ announced it, I thought it was Concierto da Aaron Weiss.
Must have been Sephardic.
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Skip Intro Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:44:59pm |
In other news, tonight was the hearing for CHIEF Kessler at the Gilberton PA Sewage Treatment Plant/City Hall.
Sadly, it appears that none of the Million Truckers for the Constitution were able to find the place and support their Constitutional Sheriff.
The hearing was cut short when one of The CHIEF’s supporters dropped a concealed weapon on the floor, scaring The CHIEF and causing the hearing to come to an abrupt end.
The new hearing will be held in a couple of weeks. Guns will not be allowed at the hearing.
This is all true, I swear it.
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:46:21pm |
re: #67 Skip Intro
In other news, tonight was the hearing for CHIEF Kessler at the Gilberton PA Sewage Treatment Plant/City Hall.
Sadly, it appears that none of the Million Truckers for the Constitution were able to find the place and support their Constitutional Sheriff.
The hearing was cut short when one of The CHIEF’s supporters dropped a concealed weapon on the floor, scaring The CHIEF and causing the hearing to come to an abrupt end.
The new hearing will be held in a couple of weeks. Guns will not be allowed at the hearing.
This is all true, I swear it.
I believe you. It’s not that ‘you can’t make this shit up’, but if you did, nobody would buy it.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:46:30pm |
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:46:38pm |
re: #58 Charles Johnson
Absolutely. I was surprised to discover how widespread the creationist delusion is on the right, when the subject first began to come up here at LGF. Surprised and very disturbed.
Some of this is the shibboleth of the lie, as GDF has pointed out —- assenting to the obvious lie as a way of reinforcing tribal membership.
I was deeply shocked when a person I knew at Stanford effectively defended creationism along these lines, despite not being a religious zealot and being seriously intelligent/capable (i.e., in Stanford Law and probably could have clerked for a Supreme Court Justice).
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:46:52pm |
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piratedan Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:47:19pm |
re: #67 Skip Intro
In other news, tonight was the hearing for CHIEF Kessler at the Gilberton PA Sewage Treatment Plant/City Hall.
Sadly, it appears that none of the Million Truckers for the Constitution were able to find the place and support their Constitutional Sheriff.
The hearing was cut short when one of The CHIEF’s supporters dropped a concealed weapon on the floor, scaring The CHIEF and causing the hearing to come to an abrupt end.
The new hearing will be held in a couple of weeks. Guns will not be allowed at the hearing.
This is all true, I swear it.
surely the Chief can’t believe that guns are dangerous, after all, those in attendance are concerned, responsible citizens there to exercise their constitutional right of free assembly
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freetoken Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:47:32pm |
re: #46 EPR-radar
The invisible part is a rabid denial of reality that is usually applied to all other issues in life.
This.
The world really is not what they want to pretend it to be, and when the rest of us start holding up signs showing them that reality doesn’t favor their beliefs they start to throw things, in the current case the entire (financial) faith and credit of the US down the drain.
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:48:59pm |
re: #73 freetoken
This.
The world really is not what they want to pretend it to be, and when the rest of us start holding up signs showing them that reality doesn’t favor their beliefs they start to throw things, in the current case the entire (financial) faith and credit of the US down the drain.
Some men see things as they are and say, “Why?”. I dream things that never were, but at least I don’t mistake them for reality.
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ObserverArt Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:50:02pm |
re: #67 Skip Intro
In other news, tonight was the hearing for CHIEF Kessler at the Gilberton PA Sewage Treatment Plant/City Hall.
Sadly, it appears that none of the Million Truckers for the Constitution were able to find the place and support their Constitutional Sheriff.
The hearing was cut short when one of The CHIEF’s supporters dropped a concealed weapon on the floor, scaring The CHIEF and causing the hearing to come to an abrupt end.
The new hearing will be held in a couple of weeks. Guns will not be allowed at the hearing.
This is all true, I swear it.
Reads like an episode of The Andy Griffith Show with the whole town of Mayberry involved. Just modernize with moar gunz!
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The Mountain That Blogs Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:50:22pm |
re: #70 EPR-radar
Ted Cruz clerked for a Supreme Court Justice. The Chief Justice, no less.
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wrenchwench Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:50:45pm |
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:51:50pm |
re: #76 The Mountain That Blogs
Ted Cruz clerked for a Supreme Court Justice. The Chief Justice, no less.
Ted Cruz appears to have a brain, from his background. Deliberate stupidity and ignorance in action.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:52:31pm |
re: #78 EPR-radar
Ted Cruz appears to have a brain, from his background. Deliberate stupidity and ignorance in action.
i think Cruz is a guy who panders to the lowest common denominator. Kind of like Mitt Romney in a way if you ask me.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:53:03pm |
GOP Rep. Ted Yoho: ‘Constitutionally, We Cannot Default’
“You know, constitutionally, we cannot default.” Yoho said. “If we as a nation, as legislators, address this condition of overspending and if we address that and we say to the rest of the world … I think the rest of the market would breathe a sigh of relief.”
…
“We’re going to pay the bills, going to pay our veterans, going to pay that, so to say that is being disingenuous,” Yoho said to Becerra.
When anchor Wolf Blitzer asked Yoho if he would support a bill that would raise the debt ceiling for six weeks, Yoho said he remained undecided.
“I would have to look, see what else is in that. I can’t answer that until I see what’s in that,” he said. “To borrow money in this government with people that have been here since 1993, what you’re looking at is giving an open credit card to people.”
Yoho, you’re a yahoo.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:53:54pm |
re: #80 Kragar
GOP Rep. Ted Yoho: ‘Constitutionally, We Cannot Default’
Yoho, you’re a yahoo.
This is why I actually kind of like career politicians. Well at least in comparison with know-nothings who get elected only based off of anger.
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:56:07pm |
re: #79 HappyWarrior
i think Cruz is a guy who panders to the lowest common denominator. Kind of like Mitt Romney in a way if you ask me.
A smart person pretending to be a stupid know-nothing to attract the votes of stupid know-nothings. Cruz lays this on considerably thicker than Romney.
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:56:17pm |
re: #70 EPR-radar
Some of this is the shibboleth of the lie, as GDF has pointed out —- assenting to the obvious lie as a way of reinforcing tribal membership.
I was deeply shocked when a person I knew at Stanford effectively defended creationism along these lines, despite not being a religious zealot and being seriously intelligent/capable (i.e., in Stanford Law and probably could have clerked for a Supreme Court Justice).
I know a couple Conservatives, whom I HAD respected. They were excellent at arguing against Creationism and conspiracy theories, etc. But then one by one they seem to have hit the wall, as far as reasoning goes.
One just went full-blown Birther, and now believes any damn thing the RW blogosphere tells him, as long it’s against Obama, including that ‘Obama’s a closeted homosexual’ noise.
Another ran aground on AGW, and the same intellect he used to use to pummel Creationists for their intellectual dishonesty was turned to rationalizing denial of AGW using arguments that mirror Creationist and debate tactics he’d previously deplored in Creationists.
The third seems to have gotten overwhelmed by the idea of Obamacare, and decided he was tired of working so hard and having all his money go to people who didn’t want to work.
It’s like in those Zombie movies where the uninfected get picked off one by one.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:57:17pm |
re: #82 EPR-radar
A smart person pretending to be a stupid know-nothing to attract the votes of stupid know-nothings. Cruz lays this on considerably thicker than Romney.
Sure does. That’s why the base embraces Cruz while they were cool to Mitt.
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:57:41pm |
re: #83 GeneJockey
Interesting. Have any of these people softened in their opposition to creationism?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:58:30pm |
re: #83 GeneJockey
I know a couple Conservatives, whom I HAD respected. They were excellent at arguing against Creationism and conspiracy theories, etc. But then one by one they seem to have hit the wall, as far as reasoning goes.
One just went full-blown Birther, and now believes any damn thing the RW blogosphere tells him, as long it’s against Obama, including that ‘Obama’s a closeted homosexual’ noise.
Another ran aground on AGW, and the same intellect he used to use to pummel Creationists for their intellectual dishonesty was turned to rationalizing denial of AGW using arguments that mirror Creationist and debate tactics he’d previously deplored in Creationists.
The third seems to have gotten overwhelmed by the idea of Obamacare, and decided he was tired of working so hard and having all his money go to people who didn’t want to work.
It’s like in those Zombie movies where the uninfected get picked off one by one.
That’s honestly sad. But yeah I feel ya, I saw a couple people I liked and respected turn whacko because they bought anything anti-Obama.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:59:16pm |
re: #83 GeneJockey
That, or they turn Libertarian. Lost more than a few friends that way.
I notice when people go Libertarian, they aren’t as caring. Part of me thinks Libertarianism is a mental disorder.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:00:23pm |
re: #83 GeneJockey
Though, to be fair, I turned reflexively anti-Conservative after Norway. Though, I am trying to repress it.
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:00:49pm |
re: #87 ProTARDISLiberal
That, or they turn Libertarian. Lost more than a few friends that way.
I notice when people go Libertarian, they aren’t as caring. Part of me thinks Libertarianism is a mental disorder.
I would go with character flaw rather than mental disorder. It really does come down to simple greed in nearly all cases.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:01:17pm |
re: #83 GeneJockey
I know a couple Conservatives, whom I HAD respected. They were excellent at arguing against Creationism and conspiracy theories, etc. But then one by one they seem to have hit the wall, as far as reasoning goes.
One just went full-blown Birther, and now believes any damn thing the RW blogosphere tells him, as long it’s against Obama, including that ‘Obama’s a closeted homosexual’ noise.
Another ran aground on AGW, and the same intellect he used to use to pummel Creationists for their intellectual dishonesty was turned to rationalizing denial of AGW using arguments that mirror Creationist and debate tactics he’d previously deplored in Creationists.
The third seems to have gotten overwhelmed by the idea of Obamacare, and decided he was tired of working so hard and having all his money go to people who didn’t want to work.
It’s like in those Zombie movies where the uninfected get picked off one by one.
I’ve seen pretty much everyone on the US center right I used to think was sane turn into a raving far right nutjob. Starting to suspect an alien brain virus.
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:01:23pm |
re: #85 EPR-radar
Interesting. Have any of these people softened in their opposition to creationism?
They haven’t at all, AFAIK. It makes it all the more strange, because the first guy used to post a flow chart of Creationist argument, and with a few changes, it applies to any conspiracy theory, but he just can’t see how he’s fallen into the same trap.
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:02:10pm |
re: #85 EPR-radar
Interesting. Have any of these people softened in their opposition to creationism?
I read this comment in a totally Mr. Spock voice. +1
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:02:49pm |
re: #92 klys
I read this comment in a totally Mr. Spock voice. +1
Wouldn’t ‘fascinating’ be the canonical observation?
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Kragar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:03:30pm |
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piratedan Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:03:36pm |
re: #90 Charles Johnson
well you and John Cole over at Balloon Juice came into the light and for that, we are thankful. That’s lead me to places like Angry Bear, Stonekettle Station and Lawyers Guns and Money, so there is a growing network of Not-So-Stupid that is being cobbled up by folks like you that give us hope.
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:03:44pm |
re: #93 EPR-radar
Wouldn’t ‘fascinating’ be the canonical observation?
True. That’s why there was also some German-tinged* mad scientist vibe going on.
* Please don’t ask for an explanation, I have none. That’s just what the voice sounded like in my brain.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:04:58pm |
I’ev always been pretty firmly left of center but I did think there were some reasonable right of center people out there but the right’s gone nuts ever since Obama was nominated. I first knew something was up when Obama as a senator introduced some legislation that would make children such as McCain whom were born on military installations be viewed the same as kids born within US land boundaries and I saw a bunch of yapping that this was just a conspiracy to distract from Obama’s “not American birth.” Well that and Sarah Palin. I had hoped that McCain would be close to 2000 McCain and then he picked her as his running mate. Didn’t hurt that Obama took his pick seriously and chose Biden and I don’t care what people say about Biden, he may say stupid shit sometimes but he understands policy. Sarah Palin doesn’t know shit about policy and nuance.
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:05:32pm |
re: #90 Charles Johnson
I’ve seen pretty much everyone on the US center right I used to think was sane turn into a raving far right nutjob. Starting to suspect an alien brain virus.
Hell, Charles, I used to think you were a raving far right nutjob. You may have developed an immunity, which means we might find a cure if we can identify which of your B-cells are producing the neutralizing antibodies.
Got any lymph nodes you’re willing to donate? ;-)
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:06:01pm |
re: #96 klys
True. That’s why there was also some German-tinged* mad scientist vibe going on.
* Please don’t ask for an explanation, I have none. That’s just what the voice sounded like in my brain.
Oddly enough, my background is roughly 3/4 German. Don’t speak the language, however.
OT, if you’re interested in another console JPRG, I’ve been enjoying Tales of Xillia.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:06:25pm |
I BAKED PIE. Blueberry, my favorite.
This is actually a photo of the previous blueberry pie, but it looks the same.
Zedushka’s birthday tomorrow.
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:07:22pm |
re: #99 EPR-radar
Oddly enough, my background is roughly 3/4 German. Don’t speak the language, however.
OT, if you’re interested in another console JPRG, I’m been enjoying Tales of Xillia.
It is bought and sitting on the sideboard, waiting for me to escape from the hells of proof-land. I was enjoying Tales of Graces f before the trip, which resulted in that. Also looking forward to the PS3 rerelease of Tales of Symphonia.
Of course, the new Pokemon games show up this weekend and yes I am a giant dork and yes they are both preordered.
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:07:28pm |
re: #100 Vicious Babushka
I BAKED PIE. Blueberry, my favorite.
This is actually a photo of the previous blueberry pie, but it looks the same.
Zedushka’s birthday tomorrow.
Those piecrust flowers atop the lattice crust are neat! I’d insist on getting a slice with one of them!
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:08:38pm |
re: #99 EPR-radar
Oddly enough, my background is roughly 3/4 German. Don’t speak the language, however.
OT, if you’re interested in another console JPRG, I’m been enjoying Tales of Xillia.
And since we wanna be OT, is the EPR in your name for electron paramagnetic resonance? Or am I just having bad chemistry flashbacks?
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ObserverArt Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:08:43pm |
re: #90 Charles Johnson
I’ve seen pretty much everyone on the US center right I used to think was sane turn into a raving far right nutjob. Starting to suspect an alien brain virus.
I think everyone is seeing their chance to get their freak on.
I’m not kidding. There is a certain amount of fashion, a certain amount of venting, a certain amount of follow the leader and hide in the group.
Sort of like reverse hippie thinking or something. Man, I’m free to say what I want, hate who I want, screw you over if I want. I’m freeeeeeee!
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:08:46pm |
I’ll be honest here though. I was on the road to being pretty much apolitical again but then the TP came in. I mean I wasn’t going to be apathetic- still planned to vote but the TP especially woke me up to how nuts the American right was getting.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:08:57pm |
re: #89 EPR-radar
Which then shows how poor a judge of character I am. Because I didn’t notice earlier.
Either that, or people can change for the worse. A previously sweet person turning into an ice queen, for example. That was part of what caused a depression that lasted from 7/22/2011 to Spring 2013. That, of course, was washed out by Series 7.5 of Doctor Who. Which then causes me to defend Moffat against the puerile RTD fans.
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:09:13pm |
re: #102 GeneJockey
Those piecrust flowers atop the lattice crust are neat! I’d insist on getting a slice with one of them!
…How did I manage to not ever notice them before this comment?
(Don’t answer that.)
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freetoken Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:09:20pm |
The world is a scary place, and when the safety blankets are taken away people will get very uncomfortable.
This is why I don’t try too hard to actively de-convert someone from whatever their religious beliefs (though I try to leave crumbs of questions that might stir them to look again.) I accept that they are looking for resolution to their own existential problem, and while the lot of the religious I propose have opted for the easiest (and erroneous) “answer” as opposed to the more enlightening though deeply discomforting one, so be it.
However, when it comes to the decisions our society has to make as a group, that affect the entire group, I insist that the fantasy be left behind.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:09:44pm |
re: #102 GeneJockey
Those piecrust flowers atop the lattice crust are neat! I’d insist on getting a slice with one of them!
I didn’t make the decorations this time, just a plain lattice crust. It’s just a way of using up scraps of crust.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:09:49pm |
re: #99 EPR-radar
I could provide a list of ancestries in my family, but it would take a hellish amount of time.
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:10:02pm |
re: #103 klys
And since we wanna be OT, is the EPR in your name for electron paramagnetic resonance? Or am I just having bad chemistry flashbacks?
Physics, not chemistry. Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen is a famous paper on quantum mechanical action at a distance. The radar idea is shamelessly taken from the Xenosaga games.
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:10:17pm |
As a personal aside, my company just went public. I had been afraid that the Teabaggers would torpedo the markets before the deal was done, but luckily, they didn’t.
Mind you, there’s still the lockup period for them to fuck me up during.
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:10:20pm |
re: #105 HappyWarrior
I’ll be honest here though. I was on the road to being pretty much apolitical again but then the TP came in. I mean I wasn’t going to be apathetic- still planned to vote but the TP especially woke me up to how nuts the American right was getting.
I was doing a fantastic job of ignoring politics pretty well pre-grad school, but then the I want to do anything other than this led to surfing the Internet a lot.
/no lie.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:10:37pm |
Back to guitars and politics, this song derives from an Angela Davis writing. The electric guitarist does the last 2 minutes as a driving duet with the singer’s acoustic. Never heard of him till this—Declan Stinnett. The bit makes the hair stand, a little like Hendrix.
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:11:47pm |
re: #111 EPR-radar
Physics, not chemistry. Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen is a famous paper on quantum mechanical action at a distance. The radar idea is shamelessly taken from the Xenosaga games.
I figured it was probably not chemistry as even in chemistry that is a remarkably obscure technique.
Which for some reason we did as one of the labs in pchem2.
I need to hook up the PS2 again…
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:12:40pm |
re: #113 klys
I was doing a fantastic job of ignoring politics pretty well pre-grad school, but then the I want to do anything other than this led to surfing the Internet a lot.
/no lie.
Yeah my first full year at GMU I pretty much stayed out of political things. I joined the college Dems in fall 2010. And another part was I wanted to meet some new people after my roommate whom I had been tight with had graduated and I had switched dorms. It was funny discovering people who were like me in high school. I was very political the last two years of Bush’s first term but then I went pretty much into my studies exclusively.
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:12:54pm |
re: #107 klys
…How did I manage to not ever notice them before this comment?
(Don’t answer that.)
I will anyway - you weren’t seeing details because you were perceiving the pie’s gestalt.
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:14:56pm |
re: #90 Charles Johnson
They Live!
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:14:57pm |
re: #115 klys
I figured it was probably not chemistry as even in chemistry that is a remarkably obscure technique.
Which for some reason we did as one of the labs in pchem2.
I need to hook up the PS2 again…
If you can secure copies of the Xenosaga games (3 game series, PS2), you may want to give them a try. Some very nice story telling in that series (which is a prequel to the classic PS1 Xenogears).
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:16:06pm |
re: #98 GeneJockey
Hell, Charles, I used to think you were a raving far right nutjob. You may have developed an immunity, which means we might find a cure if we can identify which of your B-cells are producing the neutralizing antibodies.
Got any lymph nodes you’re willing to donate? ;-)
I think you’d learn a lot more from Charles Krauthammer’s lymph nodes.
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:16:18pm |
re: #119 EPR-radar
If you can secure copies of the Xenosaga games (3 game series, PS2), you may want to give them a try. Some very nice story telling in that series (which is a prequel to the classic PS1 Xenogears).
I have the first of the series, as well as Xenogears as a PSOne Classic on the PS3/PSP. Probably not the later two.
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:17:29pm |
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:18:06pm |
re: #89 EPR-radar
I would go with character flaw rather than mental disorder. It really does come down to simple greed in nearly all cases.
Libertarianism justifies a predisposition toward egocentrism.
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Assless ChapJockey Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:18:08pm |
re: #120 Charles Johnson
I think you’d learn a lot more from Charles Krauthammer’s lymph nodes.
He’s just immune to reason. That’s all too common.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:21:15pm |
re: #41 Gus
Mercury 7. John Glenn, first in space, last on Earth.
Glenn was the first of the 7 to orbit. Alan Shepard was the first in space.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:21:34pm |
What’s weird though is I think I’m more socially libertarian than I was in the past. I.E. in the past, I supported just an end to the drug war. Today and I admit to all you that this is a radical position but I favor legalizing most drugs. I’m economically more pragmatic however. Like in the past, I think I would be very upset that ACA wasn’t single payer or universal. Today, I’m inclined to see it as a stepping stone to something better. Foreign policy, I’m also more pragmatic. Went from protesting at ANSWER anti-Iraq War rallies, yes you can mock me to thinking that there’s a lot of misunderstanding about the nuances of foreign policy. I do not think my fundamental ideology has changed much. I identify now as I did then as a liberal.
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:22:21pm |
And with that, goodnight Lizards.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:23:13pm |
re: #123 b_sharp
Which then just confirms that I am just a really, really poor judge of character. Which is why I may need the Imam’s help relationship wise.
It’s really bad being socially blind, and having to trust people. Because, more often than not, I get burned. A lot.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:24:00pm |
buzzfeed.com
Would have been nice Tom if you had brought this up the 42 frigging times that you guys tried repealing it but I get it, you’re petrified of the TP that created you.
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Gus Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:24:03pm |
re: #125 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
Glenn was the first of the 7 to orbit. Alan Shepard was the first in space.
Oh. Right. Thanks.
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:24:30pm |
re: #128 ProTARDISLiberal
Which then just confirms that I am just a really, really poor judge of character. Which is why I may need the Imam’s help relationship wise.
It’s really bad being socially blind, and having to trust people. Because, more often than not, I get burned. A lot.
Don’t be too hard on yourself for this. People with bad character tend to be very good at hiding this from others.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:25:21pm |
The crazy cliff-side dwellings of Ronda, Spain. pic.twitter.com/uNmqQc4RJG— National Geographic (@NatGeopix) October 11, 2013
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:26:17pm |
re: #132 Charles Johnson
[Embedded content]
Wow imagine looking at that each night as you go to bed.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:26:40pm |
re: #133 HappyWarrior
Wow imagine looking at that each night as you go to bed.
Better hope you don’t walk in your sleep.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:27:43pm |
re: #130 Gus
Oh. Right. Thanks.
One of my earliest memories is listening to radio news about Glenn’s flight. I had just turned 4.
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ObserverArt Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:29:04pm |
re: #133 HappyWarrior
Wow imagine looking at that each night as you go to bed.
Those steps give me the heebeegeebies! I can’t see going that way too often.
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Justanotherhuman Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:30:33pm |
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b_sharp Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:31:34pm |
re: #128 ProTARDISLiberal
Which then just confirms that I am just a really, really poor judge of character. Which is why I may need the Imam’s help relationship wise.
It’s really bad being socially blind, and having to trust people. Because, more often than not, I get burned. A lot.
Study people, watch their interaction, their body movements. What doesn’t come naturally can be learned, although you will never get it right 100% of the time. I’m 58. When I was your age I had no clue how to read people and still have problems, but I can get a fair read on people, sometimes more so from what they say and the context than how they say it.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:36:38pm |
re: #138 b_sharp
“Libertarianism” in these cases is probably a cover, a way of justifying a new set of beliefs that may not be coherent but fit the moment.
In college (way, way back) some of my nerdy cohorts were “libertarians”. This was before the Pauls, back when Ayn Rand was fresher and appealed to non-traditional types.
But in college all of us are at the tender age of seeking new experiences, and “libertarianism” is like sex, smoking (whatever), etc. It’s something to experiment with…. and with luck you’ll survive with minimal damage.
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freetoken Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:38:32pm |
I think that might be as good a description of the glibertarians as anything - perpetual college sophomores.
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:39:49pm |
I haven’t seen this nickname for Palin before. It’s a hoot.
The Wasilla Warblegarbler.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:41:45pm |
re: #139 freetoken
What’s really amazing is the level of people my age at college who end up there.
You’re there to study and think about things. How do you end up at a philosophy that makes no internal sense whatsoever. Yes, granted, I am somebody who is, politically, very old, relatively speaking (Scandinavian Social Democrat, though that can turn into Kemalist Social Democrat if I am in a bad place), but there is an underlying philosophy that makes sense, and what’s more, it works.
Libertarians and Libertines are likely very close to one another.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:47:38pm |
Piers Morgan’s show tonight: Donald Trump giving advice to the President and Congress on how to make a deal. I guess the guys from Duck Dynasty weren’t available.
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:48:34pm |
re: #143 jaunte
Piers Morgan’s show tonight: Donald Trump giving advice to the President and Congress on how to make a deal. I guess the guys from Duck Dynasty weren’t available.
Baghdad Bob must have also blown them off.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:51:21pm |
re: #144 EPR-radar
Trump claimed he “offered to pay for” military deaths/expenses while the shutdown was on, but “they must be getting paid somehow” because he “hadn’t heard back.”
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:52:44pm |
re: #146 jaunte
Trump claimed he “offered to pay for” military deaths/expenses while the shutdown was on, but “they must be getting paid somehow” because he “hadn’t heard back.”
Whoever is dealing with deaths of those in service, I’m sure they have 10,000 better things to do in any given day than respond to the likes of Donald Trump.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:52:44pm |
I haven’t seen much BENGHAZI!!!1!!!!1!!! on Teh Twitters.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:52:57pm |
re: #128 ProTARDISLiberal
Which then just confirms that I am just a really, really poor judge of character. Which is why I may need the Imam’s help relationship wise.
It’s really bad being socially blind, and having to trust people. Because, more often than not, I get burned. A lot.
I know where you’re coming from, brother. But you can learn and get better at social awareness. You’re analytical, so if you get burned think back and try to remember any signs that in retrospect you should have noticed. Judging character is never going to be intuitive for you, but if you learn from your experiences you can develop a decent idea of what the assholes who try to play you act like and you’ll catch most of them before they can burn you.
But you’re right to lean on your Imam, because you will need help in making sure you’re right about people at times.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:53:21pm |
re: #147 EPR-radar
He’s a big one for cheap PR stunts, but this one really takes the cake.
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austin_blue Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:57:17pm |
I’ve decided to refer to the US Representative from Tyler, Tx as Gohmert Pyle from now on. Florida Rep. Ted (the) Yoho will remain as is. I just like to type that.
And any other member of Congress who states that there is any relevance between how he runs his personal household finances and how the global financial system works (I’m looking at you, Rep. Joe Barton (Nutjob-Pigfuck, TX), is an ill-read, ignorant, sub-human, hubristic sack of shit.
Glad I got that off my chest.
Carry on.
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Skip Intro Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:07:11pm |
re: #150 jaunte
He’s a big one for cheap PR stunts, but this one really takes the cake.
I keep wondering just how low CNN can go. Having Trump on to blather about anything just digs the pit deeper.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:07:57pm |
re: #151 austin_blue
And any other member of Congress who states that there is any relevance between how he runs his personal household finances and how the global financial system works (I’m looking at you, Rep. Joe Barton (Nutjob-Pigfuck, TX), is an ill-read, ignorant, sub-human, hubristic sack of shit.
One glaring omission in the household finance line of “reasoning” is that nobody, nowhere, would pass on an easy opportunity to raise income / revenue. When’s the last time you heard of a landlord lowering rents for ideological reasons, even though it would make balancing their own budget more difficult?
Also, only the most irresponsible and or belligerent asshole would feel the need to budget 19% of their total spending on guns / defense.
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gwangung Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:09:35pm |
re: #153 goddamnedfrank
Also, only the most irresponsible and or belligerent asshole would feel the need to budget 19% of their total spending on guns / defense.
Exactly. Republicans.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:10:00pm |
Last weekend, a freak blizzard froze up to 100,000 cows in South Dakota. B/c of #shutdown, ranchers are w/o aid: http://t.co/DgU5t7xSz1
— Climate Desk (@ClimateDesk) October 10, 2013
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sagehen Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:11:41pm |
Tonight’s episode of “Elementary” centers around a character obviously based on Edward Snowden….
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CuriousLurker Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:12:04pm |
Well, I’m gonna call it a night and go watch stuff on Netflix, but I wanted to drop this off before I left because it really tickled me:
pic.twitter.com/tqnWHcGSBo— Jeff Gauvin (@JeffersonObama) October 11, 2013
G’nite, lizards. ;o)
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jaunte Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:37:29pm |
#NewGOPStrategies Claim they were all driven temporarily insane by excessive amounts of water fluoridation.
— skullsinthestars (@drskyskull) October 11, 2013
Rainwater, Mandrake!
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Bubblehead II Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:43:28pm |
Wow, don’t know anything about Jewish divorce laws, but this is down right nuts.
Rabbis plotted to kidnap husbands force divorces FBI says
NEW YORK (CNN)- A group of rabbis face kidnapping charges after allegedly arranging assaults of Orthodox Jewish husbands to persuade them to grant divorces to their wives, authorities said Thursday.
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austin_blue Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:47:23pm |
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sagehen Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:50:20pm |
re: #160 Bubblehead II
Wow, don’t know anything about Jewish divorce laws, but this is down right nuts.
Rabbis plotted to kidnap husbands force divorces FBI says
NEW YORK (CNN)- A group of rabbis face kidnapping charges after allegedly arranging assaults of Orthodox Jewish husbands to persuade them to grant divorces to their wives, authorities said Thursday.
Not sure what the jury will say when the wives all testify that they desperately wanted out of their marriage, that they had already obtained civil divorces but the husbands were refusing the get or demanding large sums from the women’s parents…
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Bubblehead II Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:58:02pm |
re: #162 sagehen
Not sure what the jury will say when the wives all testify that they desperately wanted out of their marriage, that they had already obtained civil divorces but the husbands were refusing the get or demanding large sums from the women’s parents…
Like I said, I don’t know anything about Jewish divorce customs, But I do wonder if this might have something to do with the animosity between Liberal Jews and Orthodox (Haraddi?) Jews?
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 7:58:44pm |
re: #162 sagehen
Not sure what the jury will say when the wives all testify that they desperately wanted out of their marriage, that they had already obtained civil divorces but the husbands were refusing the get or demanding large sums from the women’s parents…
Hopefully they’ll say that Jewish divorce law is ridiculously one sided, sexist and insane.
A criminal complaint alleges that the rabbis charged Jewish wives tens of thousands of dollars to orchestrate kidnappings and accepted $20,000 for such an operation from undercover FBI agents.
Yeah, I’m sorry but I’m having a difficult time summoning up any sympathy for the Rabbis in question. Their own dogmatic adherence to theology created the very situation they then sought to profit off of by acting as thuggish mercenaries. This is exactly how organized crime operates. Yeshiva Shaarei Torah is very lucky to have thus far escaped being named in a RICO indictment as a criminal organization.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:03:48pm |
re: #160 Bubblehead II
Wow, don’t know anything about Jewish divorce laws, but this is down right nuts.
Rabbis plotted to kidnap husbands force divorces FBI says
NEW YORK (CNN)- A group of rabbis face kidnapping charges after allegedly arranging assaults of Orthodox Jewish husbands to persuade them to grant divorces to their wives, authorities said Thursday.
Wasn’t this a theme one season on Sopranos?
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:04:26pm |
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:06:18pm |
re: #163 Bubblehead II
Like I said, I don’t know anything about Jewish divorce customs, But I do wonder if this might have something to do with the animosity between Liberal Jews and Orthodox (Haraddi?) Jews?
No, it has everything to do with some Orthodox communities being so insular and fundamentalist that they’ve chosen to cultivate an incredibly hostile relationship with civil authority. For example:
The victim and her family have faced nearly constant harassment and shunning since she went to police with her complaints against Weberman more than one year ago.
Her now-husband’s kosher certification was stripped by a Satmar-controlled kosher supervision agency when he refused to coerce the victim to drop the charges. The restaurant closed as a result.
…
Another Satmar man tried to coerce the victim and her now-husband to leave the country and not testify against Weberman. He used a combination of threats and the offer of a $500,000 bribe to try to achieve that goal.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:09:15pm |
re: #168 goddamnedfrank
That sounds like a RICO violation.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:10:07pm |
re: #166 FemNaziBitch
Wasn’t this a theme one season on Sopranos?
Wouldn’t know. About the only T.V. I watch is Castle and Bones and that is because that is what the Wife is watching during dinner. The rest of the time I am lurking here and working on my new project to acquire at least 20 news outlets for each State and Territory. When I am not news scrounging, I watch old Black Sheep Squandron/M*A*S*H shows on YouTube.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:15:47pm |
How do I know that today’s poll from NBC/WSJ is truly bad for the GOP? The Breitbartians aren’t trying to spin the numbers.
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sagehen Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:17:26pm |
re: #163 Bubblehead II
Like I said, I don’t know anything about Jewish divorce customs, But I do wonder if this might have something to do with the animosity between Liberal Jews and Orthodox (Haraddi?) Jews?
It has nothing to with animosity between Reform and Orthodox, or any other intra-Jewish dispute. It’s that the Orthodox are sometimes relatively modern and egalitarian, and they’re trying to reconcile progressive egalitarian lives with Halachic observance.*
There are a limited set of circumstances under which an Orthodox wife can get a divorce without her husband’s agreement; even if he abandons her entirely and skips town, there’s still nothing she can do about it (women in that circumstance are called agunah). If she ever has sex again before the decamped husband dies, it’s adultery. And she certainly can’t remarry.
Some orthodox men are seriously dickish about this. They’ll extort money from the women’s parents, they’ll demand off the hook for child support, or maybe they’ll just demand a couple months of proper wifeliness with a vague suggestion that maybe, if they’re satisfied enough, they’ll give her a get after that. It’s a whole big controversy in the orthodox community — the rabbinic courts are aware that the women aren’t being treated properly, that the men are totally in the wrong, but sometimes sending the rabbis over to talk to the guy and try to appeal to his better nature just doesn’t work if he doesn’t have a better nature.
So in an odd, violent sort of way, these guys are actually trying to help the women. And depending how many people it takes to manage the operation, how much time they have to devote to it, plus transportation, and a premises… they may not even be making profit. Especially if he’s run away to another state or even another country.
(*one recent example of liberal orthodoxy… there’s two kosher-certification organizations. After that big scandal at the kosher slaughterhouse in Iowa that turned out to be treating their employees like crap, one of the kosher-certs consulted with rabbinic courts and yeshivas and found a way to declare that henceforth, it’s not enough that the meat is processed according to kosher rules, treating staff with proper decency and talmudic justice is also required to get the K.).
(for another example of liberal orthodoxy… see ViciousBabushka.)
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:18:27pm |
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GlutenFreeJesus Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:18:28pm |
re: #170 Bubblehead II
Wouldn’t know. About the only T.V. I watch is Castle and Bones and that is because that is what the Wife is watching during dinner. The rest of the time I am lurking here and working on my new project to acquire at least 20 news outlets for each State and Territory. When I am not news scrounging, I watch old Black Sheep Squandron/M*A*S*H shows on YouTube.
BOYINGTON!!!!
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:19:21pm |
re: #168 goddamnedfrank
No, it has everything to do with some Orthodox communities being so insular and fundamentalist that they’ve chosen to cultivate an incredibly hostile relationship with civil authority. For example:
It’s just a community turning so far inward that they’ll justify any kind of fucked up behavior if it’s directed against a perceived betrayal. In that case a child victim and her parents made the unforgivable sin of going to the civil authorities to deal with her rape / molestation. The Rabbi case is RICO because the Rabbis, official officers of their temple, were using their positions within the temple to take money from desperate women in order to, as a group, engage in violent crime. The case of the abused girl is just one insular community organically acting like a bunch of trash.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:19:59pm |
re: #176 goddamnedfrank
Sounds like a bunch of Mormons to me…
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:20:49pm |
re: #170 Bubblehead II
Wouldn’t know. About the only T.V. I watch is Castle and Bones and that is because that is what the Wife is watching during dinner. The rest of the time I am lurking here and working on my new project to acquire at least 20 news outlets for each State and Territory. When I am not news scrounging, I watch old Black Sheep Squandron/M*A*S*H shows on YouTube.
Father of the “wife” went to Tony to get rid of his son-in-law because he wouldn’t divorce his daughter (he abused her). The son-in-law wouldn’t leave because that would mean he would have to give-up part of the business that came with the wife. I can’t remember the specifics of the financial transactions, but Tony found the husband to be totally unreasonable. He was a total dick about it.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:22:11pm |
re: #173 sagehen
So in an odd, violent sort of way, these guys are actually trying to help the women.
I’d have gone along with this if they hadn’t charged $20,000 for their “services.” This was the women being terribly exploited / extorted by the very religious authorities they went to for aid in a time of crisis.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:23:18pm |
re: #177 Dancing along the light of day
Sounds like a bunch of Mormons to me…
Sounds like fundamentalists everywhere, treating women like shit.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:23:22pm |
re: #179 goddamnedfrank
I’d have gone along with this if they hadn’t charged $20,000 for their “services.” This was the women being terribly extorted by the very religious authorities they went to for aid in a time of crisis.
I’ve heard similar things about Rabbi’s who certify Kosher food processing facilities.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:24:45pm |
re: #173 sagehen
I worked briefly with a young woman who had been in this (agunah) circumstance. Her husband had run away to South America to avoid giving her a divorce, and she had to go to the expense of hiring someone to track him down.
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sagehen Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:25:09pm |
re: #179 goddamnedfrank
I’d have gone along with this if they hadn’t charged $20,000 for their “services.” This was the women being terribly extorted by the very religious authorities they went to for aid in a time of crisis.
If she had that much money, I’m guessing she first offered it to the husband to let her go and he refused.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:25:58pm |
re: #182 jaunte
I worked briefly with a young woman who had been in this (agunah) circumstance. Her husband had run away to South America to avoid giving her a divorce, and she had to go to the expense of hiring someone to track him down.
Why avoid the divorce?
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jaunte Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:26:30pm |
re: #184 FemNaziBitch
I think the technical term is “dickishness.”
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:27:01pm |
re: #185 jaunte
I think the technical term is “dickishness.”
ah!
I mean, a reasonable person would prefer divorce to exile. no?
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:27:59pm |
re: #177 Dancing along the light of day
Let’s not compare these people to the Mormons.
Mormons once committed war against the United States, committed the worst Terror Attack on US soil until April 19, 1995.
The September 11th Mountain Meadows Massacre.
There’s other stuff, but that is good for now.
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sagehen Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:28:10pm |
re: #184 FemNaziBitch
Why avoid the divorce?
To be a controlling asshole.
If she can’t get a get, she’s left with a choice between adultery and celibacy; and any children she might ever have with someone else won’t be born Jewish.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:28:15pm |
re: #184 FemNaziBitch
Per her story, he was found in the shower with his mistress by the ex Special Forces guy she hired, and made to sign the get without first getting a towel.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:29:00pm |
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The Mountain That Blogs Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:29:04pm |
re: #184 FemNaziBitch
People do all sorts of petty shit when they split up.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:30:10pm |
re: #191 The Mountain That Blogs
People do all sorts of petty shit when they split up.
This sees to be a particular, specific, and situational kind of group jack-off pettiness.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:30:45pm |
re: #189 jaunte
Per her story, he was found in the shower with his mistress by the ex Special Forces guy she hired, and made to sign the get without first getting a towel.
Wow. She was not dorking around.
You know that guy means business.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:32:11pm |
re: #187 ProTARDISLiberal
Like fucking clockwork. Really wish you’d drop that tired old shit.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:32:24pm |
re: #193 ProTARDISLiberal
Well, that’s the story anyway, but I had no reason to doubt it, and she seemed credible.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:34:48pm |
re: #194 goddamnedfrank
Muslims get accused of being traitors, and all sorts of awful crap all the time.
And do the Mormons ever come out to defend us? No. But when their quite obvious and legitimate flaws, especially regarding their relationship the US, are pointed out, they often use us as a shield.
I am pointing out history is all.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:36:02pm |
re: #195 jaunte
I’m quite certain a lot of those guys have one heck of a time trying to adjust back to civilian life, and sometimes give up, going into this sort of quasi-mercenarial work.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:38:02pm |
re: #188 sagehen
To be a controlling asshole.
If she can’t get a get, she’s left with a choice between adultery and celibacy; and any children she might ever have with someone else won’t be born Jewish.
Who’s fault is that really though? The asshole is just doing what’s in his nature, being an asshole. That’s always going to happen. The community that should know better is adhering to an outdated and designed to be abused custom out of some weird ideological obedience to tradition for tradition’s sake.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:39:58pm |
re: #198 goddamnedfrank
Because some of those assholes are at the top, and want to preserve that system.
And that’s how stuff like this can stick around well after their expiration date.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:42:21pm |
re: #109 Vicious Babushka
I didn’t make the decorations this time, just a plain lattice crust. It’s just a way of using up scraps of crust.
Scrap crust in our family gets re-rolled, sprinkled with sugar and cinnamon, and then rolled up and baked as a pastry cinnamon roll. Baker gets first piece, and it’s usually gone before the pie is even started on.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:42:38pm |
re: #196 ProTARDISLiberal
Muslims get accused of being traitors, and all sorts of awful crap all the time.
And do the Mormons ever come out to defend us? No. But when their quite obvious and legitimate flaws, especially regarding their relationship the US, are pointed out, they often use us as a shield.
I am pointing out history is all.
You’re being an asshole is all. You’re singling out your own pet group for collective blame and hatred for shit that happened over a century ago because you don’t think they’ve given you the support you’re certain you deserve. It has nothing to do with who they are, it’s all about you and your childish temper tantrum over what you think you’re due.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:44:11pm |
re: #199 ProTARDISLiberal
Because some of those assholes are at the top, and want to preserve that system.
And that’s how stuff like this can stick around well after their expiration date.
This is different from Islam how exactly? You like to throw stones without consideration for where they might land.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:49:40pm |
I know, It’s the Telegraph, but.
Iran cancels Israel baiting anti-Zionism conference
“In the latest gesture to demonstrate that the country is taking a new diplomatic direction under new president Hassan Rouhani, officials ordered the cancellation of the New Horizon Conference due to take place next month.”
Something tells me this guys days are numbered.
“Hardliners believe that Mr Rouhani is selling out Iran and have attacked the new leader. Tensions between the new government and its domestic opposition were blamed for the hospitalisation of Mohammad Zarif, the foreign minister, with symptoms of stress on Wednesday.”
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:52:03pm |
re: #202 goddamnedfrank
Yeah, I do realize there are a lot of issues on my side of the fence.
I was simply giving an explanation as to how things can stay stationary. Why do you think the Ottomans’ fell? That was because a significant number of clergy were hostile to the Tanzimat, and eventually fell behind a member of the family who opposed it. Which in turn caused an irreversible decline.
In regards to the Mormons, its the same thing as the Confederacy for me. Though, yes, I do tend for the negative than the positive. Instead of showing how Muslims are good Americans, I tend to go divisive, which doesn’t help.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:53:30pm |
re: #203 Bubblehead II
He was elected with a majority in the first round. The Ayatollah tries something, and suddenly the nation spirals into unrest.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:56:03pm |
re: #174 FemNaziBitch
Glenn Beck Tells Parents To Physically Bully Kids So They Know Rights Come From God
I saw that. That’s creepy even for Beck. This is the kind of stuff that gets you an invitation to speak at the value voters summit I guess.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:57:14pm |
re: #203 Bubblehead II
I know, It’s the Telegraph, but.
Iran cancels Israel baiting anti-Zionism conference
“In the latest gesture to demonstrate that the country is taking a new diplomatic direction under new president Hassan Rouhani, officials ordered the cancellation of the New Horizon Conference due to take place next month.”
Something tells me this guys days are numbered.
“Hardliners believe that Mr Rouhani is selling out Iran and have attacked the new leader. Tensions between the new government and its domestic opposition were blamed for the hospitalisation of Mohammad Zarif, the foreign minister, with symptoms of stress on Wednesday.”
I’m cautiously optimistic but I’d be lying if I told you that Rouhani isn’t a huge upgrade of Ahmadinjad and yes I realize the mullahs are the real powers to be in Iran but I’ll be watching what Rouhani does with interest.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Oct 10, 2013 8:58:22pm |
re: #205 ProTARDISLiberal
He was elected with a majority in the first round. The Ayatollah tries something, and suddenly the nation spirals into unrest.
All it takes is one hot head who doesn’t like the way you are taking the Country. Yitzhak Rabin’s assassination is a case in point.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:01:18pm |
re: #207 HappyWarrior
Not to mention that Rouhani has some Mullahs at his side. Though, I am not sure how things would shake out if it ended up being if Khamenei and Rouhani turned on one another.
Would the Regular Iranian Military turn on the Revolutionary Guard and the Basij?
I wonder just how much support the Hyper-Conservatives have there, with all the economic issues. Not to mention the Millenials there have a history of being restless.
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bratwurst Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:01:43pm |
True story: The NY Giants and Republican party both very recently won at the national level. You can Google it.— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) October 11, 2013
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Bubblehead II Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:02:12pm |
Lizards time to call it a night and head for the land of nod.
See you tomorrow.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:02:15pm |
re: #208 Bubblehead II
All it takes is one hot head who doesn’t like the way you are taking the Country. Yitzhak Rabin’s assassination is a case in point.
That’s actually along with the war in Bosnia one of my first international events memories. I just remember it being very sad. Since then, I’ve taken the opportunity to learn about P.M Rabin and seems to me that he was a fine leader. Another victim of extremist ideology.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:03:09pm |
re: #204 ProTARDISLiberal
In regards to the Mormons, its the same thing as the Confederacy for me. Though, yes, I do tend for the negative than the positive. Instead of showing how Muslims are good Americans, I tend to go divisive, which doesn’t help.
As much fault as I find with their church’s leadership, the Mormon congregation has demonstrated and continues to demonstrate a far more rapid social evolution than most communities.
SALT LAKE CITY — SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Wendy and Tom Montgomery went door-to-door in their California neighborhood in 2008 campaigning for the passage of an anti-gay marriage proposition. They were among thousands of faithful Mormons following the direction of a church that spent millions on the cause.
Then they learned last year that their 15-year-old son is gay — a revelation that rocked their belief system.
Now, Wendy Montgomery is leading a growing movement among Mormons to push The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to teach that homosexuality isn’t a sin.
And guess what, even if that weren’t true bringing tired old shit up from a hundred years ago would still be just as irrelevant.
Irrelevant like thinking the shit that went down in the Brooklyn Satmar community has any bearing on other Jewish congregations.
Irrelevant like thinking 9/11 sheds any light on mainstream Sufism.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:03:20pm |
re: #209 ProTARDISLiberal
Not to mention that Rouhani has some Mullahs at his side. Though, I am not sure how things would shake out if it ended up being if Khamenei and Rouhani turned on one another.
Would the Regular Iranian Military turn on the Revolutionary Guard and the Basij?
I wonder just how much support the Hyper-Conservatives have there, with all the economic issues. Not to mention the Millenials there have a history of being restless.
I have no idea if they would or not. But the ignorance the hyper-conservatives show on economics has to be worrying. I believe Ahmadinjad famously said economics was for donkeys.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:03:57pm |
re: #208 Bubblehead II
Fair point. I would hope Rouhani is smart enough to know this, and have his own bodyguards.
In the end though, for real change in Iran, it will take one of two things
1) Death of the Current Supreme Leader
2) Overthrow of the Current Supreme Leader.
Seeing as Khamenei is now, 74, and Iran is not exactly Western Europe in Medical Care, #1 is a safe bet in the next 5-10 years.
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:05:37pm |
re: #213 goddamnedfrank
[Redacted for immaturity]
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:10:06pm |
re: #208 Bubblehead II
All it takes is one hot head who doesn’t like the way you are taking the Country. Yitzhak Rabin’s assassination is a case in point.
You’re not wrong, but that was the result of more than just one hothead. That was a full blown conspiracy involving multiple people, fueled by a political opposition that engaged in the worst kind of racist othering.
Nonetheless, hostility continued to mount against Rabin. Haredi conservatives and Likud party leaders believed that withdrawing from any Jewish land was heresy. Rallies, organized partially by Likud, became increasingly extreme in tone. Likud leader (and future Prime Minister) Benjamin Netanyahu accused Rabin’s government of being “removed from Jewish tradition … and Jewish values.” Netanyahu addressed protesters of the Oslo movement at rallies where posters portrayed Rabin in a Nazi SS uniform or being the target by in the cross-hairs of a sniper.[1] Rabin accused Netanyahu of provoking violence, a charge which Netanyahu strenuously denied.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:11:16pm |
re: #216 ProTARDISLiberal
Fine. Mormons apparently have no issues whatsoever.
You really are an angry little child.
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AlexRogan Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:17:24pm |
re: #216 ProTARDISLiberal
Fine. Mormons apparently have no issues whatsoever.
You do love the broad brush, especially when it comes to Mormons.
How would you feel if someone called all Muslims unrepentant terrorists to your face?
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:17:31pm |
re: #218 goddamnedfrank
Ok, yes, that was a bit snippy.
I still do not trust their church. And it will be very hard to have me trust them.
Curious though, why do you defend them so much though?
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ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:17:58pm |
re: #219 AlexRogan
Bad. So I see your point.
More specifically, I would feel angry. Because only a tiny minority is radical.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:21:32pm |
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:25:50pm |
Problem cat chewed through my iPod headphones in about 4 places.
Anyone want a cat?
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:27:13pm |
Also, and possibly related, anyone know how to make a cat vomit? There is more of the headphone cord missing than is probably good for him.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:28:07pm |
re: #220 ProTARDISLiberal
Ok, yes, that was a bit snippy.
I still do not trust their church. And it will be very hard to have me trust them.
Curious though, why do you defend them so much though?
Same reason I defend muslims, because they’re human beings. Labels like mormon, muslim, christian, jew are incredibly broad. They encompass tons of people who’s only crime in life was to be raised within or to have adopted a faith. As with everybody it’s how they behave as individuals that should matter.
This isn’t even remotely profound, it’s Secular Democracy 101 level common sense.
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AlexRogan Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:29:18pm |
re: #221 ProTARDISLiberal
Bad. So I see your point.
That’s all most of us here ever want you to realize, that the world isn’t always so black-and-white.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:30:41pm |
re: #226 klys
Also, and possibly related, anyone know how to make a cat vomit? There is more of the headphone cord missing than is probably good for him.
Catjager? I kid. I don’t know.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:34:45pm |
re: #221 ProTARDISLiberal
Bad. So I see your point.
More specifically, I would feel angry. Because only a tiny minority is radical.
If I may, one could say the same about LDS. You don’t like being judged as a Muslim do you because of say Bin Laden? Why then would it be okay for you to judge all of LDS because of say the people who committed that massacre 150 years ago. Frank and Alex make some great points here. These are human beings and the world isn’t always so black and white. If we just held on to post events that certain people did to others, no one would get along. We have to judge the people we meet in this world as individuals. I think you’ve gotten better over the broad brushing but please try to avoid it. I understand why you get angry. There’s a lot of shitty people out there who do shitty things in the name of religion, nationality, ideology, etc. Just my 2 cents.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:37:03pm |
Jon Stewart to red states: ‘What do you hate more? Poverty or Obama?’
Tonight on The Daily Show, Jon Stewart took a pitchfork to states that refused federal money to expand Medicaid programs.
The federal government offered to pay for the programs until 2020, but 26 states declined the offer.
“Twenty-six states?” an exasperated Stewart asked. “Twenty-six states? They must be a pretty eclectic group with many different reasons to explain why they would turn down federal money to bring healthcare to their working poor … or maybe there was just one reason.”
The show then cut to a clip of a reporter saying “[a]ll of those states have Republican governors, or legislatures that are controlled by Republicans.”
“Oh,” Stewart replied, “which makes this just the latest example of that hit game show that’s sweeping the nation, ‘What Do You Hate More: Poverty or Obama?’ Brought to you by ‘Spite,’ the emotion that will make you turn down millions of dollars to help the working poor because you hate the president.”
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freetoken Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:37:45pm |
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:38:38pm |
re: #229 HappyWarrior
Catjager? I kid. I don’t know.
Google seems to indicate that a trip to the emergency vet is probably not warranted but I probably need to call the regular one tomorrow.
Fucking cat. I LIKED THOSE HEADPHONES.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:39:37pm |
re: #233 klys
Google seems to indicate that a trip to the emergency vet is probably not warranted but I probably need to call the regular one tomorrow.
Fucking cat. I LIKED THOSE HEADPHONES.
They’re expensive too. But yeah call the vet just to be sure.
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wheat-dogghazi Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:40:01pm |
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:42:38pm |
re: #234 HappyWarrior
They’re expensive too. But yeah call the vet just to be sure.
I will, and the friend who is a vet. Who would have gotten a call today except I am nice and don’t call her at 1am her time.
Looking closer, it seems to be about an inch and a half of the earbud cord missing, and then maybe a shorter section of the main cord - can’t tell for sure on that because I don’t have an intact pair to compare length with.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:43:01pm |
re: #231 Kragar
Jon Stewart to red states: ‘What do you hate more? Poverty or Obama?’
I actually find that sad but there’s your grandchild of the Southern Strategy right there in action where hating gay/immigrant/liberal is more important than doing well. I just wish these people knew that the GOP and GOP policies take them for suckers.
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wheat-dogghazi Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:44:04pm |
re: #226 klys
Also, and possibly related, anyone know how to make a cat vomit? There is more of the headphone cord missing than is probably good for him.
My daughter’s cat likes to munch on any electrical cord which is absolutely necessary to use a computer, a Wii, a charger for a phone or laptop, etc. He doesn’t care for power cords, it seems, or he’d have been a fried kitty years ago. Mostly he just likes to annoy the shit out of his owners.
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:46:08pm |
re: #238 wheat-dogghazi
My daughter’s cat likes to munch on any electrical cord which is absolutely necessary to use a computer, a Wii, a charger for a phone or laptop, etc. He doesn’t care for power cords, it seems, or he’d have been a fried kitty years ago. Mostly he just likes to annoy the shit out of his owners.
Normally this one goes for hair. Which is bad enough. BUT ARGH, those are the headphones I use all the time. And now they are utterly destroyed.
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wheat-dogghazi Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:48:43pm |
re: #239 klys
Normally this one goes for hair. Which is bad enough. BUT ARGH, those are the headphones I use all the time. And now they are utterly destroyed.
I swear some cats target items their keepers treasure the most. It’s no wonder some people don’t trust cats.
Of course, puppies and shoes are a delightful combination, too.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:50:01pm |
re: #239 klys
Normally this one goes for hair. Which is bad enough. BUT ARGH, those are the headphones I use all the time. And now they are utterly destroyed.
Have you tried Grannick Bitter Apple?
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sagehen Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:56:20pm |
re: #238 wheat-dogghazi
My daughter’s cat likes to munch on any electrical cord which is absolutely necessary to use a computer, a Wii, a charger for a phone or laptop, etc. He doesn’t care for power cords, it seems, or he’d have been a fried kitty years ago. Mostly he just likes to annoy the shit out of his owners.
My Best Dog Ever, on his first night with me when he was just a pup, chewed through the heater cord to my waterbed. It shorted out half the house, I had to flip the circuit breaker when I woke up, I can only assume the dog got a nasty shock, but he never again in his entire life chewed on anything that wasn’t food. Quick learner, that one. (He died 20 years ago, and I still miss him)
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:56:52pm |
re: #242 goddamnedfrank
Have you tried Grannick Bitter Apple?
The thing is, he hasn’t really gone for cables before, so we hadn’t felt the need to deal with that. (One of the others used to go for power cords, so it got used then. She also destroyed one bra, but I’m not sure I’m up for treating clothing.)
I’ve left my headphones out any number of times around the house. But came into the office after making myself dinner and he was sitting there nosing after anything with string. After I removed him I realized he’d chewed through the headphones in two places (and I just now discovered another piece of elastic that’s been eaten through from a tag).
Grrrrr.
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klys Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:57:40pm |
I promised my husband I wouldn’t kill the cat before he got home from seeing Gravity.
I also told him it was going to take effort.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 10, 2013 9:58:14pm |
Good morning.
Image: 4I5q223547.jpg
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Lidane Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:00:23pm |
So I finally heard back from my friend that linked to a Heritage letter from Jim DeMint whining about the ACA. This was our conversation:
Me: He’s whining about the ACA, which started as a Heritage Foundation idea back in the 80’s. Hilarious.
Him: Affordable healthcare is an idea that’s been around as long as there’s been healthcare. And comparing the current version of the ACA to anything that was proposed in the 80’s is like comparing man to monkeys (assuming, of course, you believe in evolution).
Me: The employer mandate comes from Richard Nixon. The individual mandate and the exchanges at the center of the ACA are also Republican ideas, started at Heritage and supported by the right for decades. They were the alternative to HillaryCare, central planks in Bob Dole’s 1996 campaign, and the central parts of RomneyCare, which is the very same plan that is now the ACA. Like it or not, Obamacare has deep conservative roots. It IS the conservative plan. The only other real option would be single payer.
Him: I’ll take your word for it because I really don’t want to research it. That being said, if the Repubs had passed this law I’d have been just as opposed to it. My issue with the law is that I don’t believe that government can run ANYTHING as efficiently or inexpensively as the private sector. Where the private sector has to eat their losses, the government passes them down to us in the form of taxes, fees and fines. Certainly healthcare needed some type of overhaul, but I don’t believe a government takeover is the right answer. Personally, I’m opposed to it politically because I believe in as small of a government as we can get away with (not an anarchist…I do recognize the need for SOME government); I don’t want big government telling me what I can or can’t do. And I’m opposed to it financially because I can’t afford to pay for others’ healthcare.
Me: I could easily link you to Forbes articles talking about the conservative roots of the ACA and even to the original Heritage study calling for a national healthcare plan that not only required individuals to buy insurance as an act of personal responsibility so they wouldn’t depend on hospital ERs for care and therefore drive up costs for everyone else, but which ALSO proposed allowing for competition among insurance companies for business from individuals on the open market and ways for consumers to be given the information they need to make the best choices for their care. And the ACA isn’t government run healthcare, BTW. Single payer is government run healthcare. The ACA sets up a mechanism where insurnace companies offer affordable heath care to uninsured or underinsured people on open exchanges. It doesn’t run your health care plan for you. The insurnace providers worked with the government to create the exchanges and the law itself.
Nothing yet. I’m assuming he’s decided it’s not worth debating anymore since it’s been hours since his last response.
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wheat-dogghazi Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:08:18pm |
re: #247 Lidane
Sounds like the conversation I had with my relative about how the ACA was bankrupting the country, killing the job market, and making poor people poorer. Basically, his argument against it boiled down to “I hate Obama,” though he didn’t express it that succinctly. He gets his medical care from the VA, so he’s got no argument against government health care. Seriously, there are some people who are just opposed to the ACA because they are opposed to the ACA, probably because they get all their information from Fox and the RW noise machine. I think they are beyond the point of reasoning with them. Let the ACA sit unmolested for a few more years, and they’ll holler bloody murder if anyone tries to kill it.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:14:35pm |
If current rumors about a budget deal to reopen the government next week hold true, we’re gonna see a lot of very unhappy wingnuts.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:16:47pm |
re: #247 Lidane
So I finally heard back from my friend that linked to a Heritage letter from Jim DeMint whining about the ACA. This was our conversation:
Nothing yet. I’m assuming he’s decided it’s not worth debating anymore since it’s been hours since his last response.
Not too hysterical but it’s annoying that he won’t even take the time to research it. I also take issue with him saying that he feels he can’t afford to pay for other people’s health care. I think that’s a lot of crap pardon my language. We all have to pay taxes for things that don’t directly benefit us and that includes anything from an abundance of military technology to infrastructure in places we’ll never visit. It’s part of being in a representative government. I do think that there are some people on the right who would have opposed it regardless but the leadership’s hypocrisy on the issue needs to be called out and furthermore, it needs to be repeated that this is a passed law and one that stood the test at the Supreme Court. I think you totally flustered your friend when you pointed out how hypocritical the right’s been on teh whole bloody issue.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:18:42pm |
re: #249 Targetpractice
If current rumors about a budget deal to reopen the government next week hold true, we’re gonna see a lot of very unhappy wingnuts.
A functioning government is the clearest sign that Obama is a Tyrant.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:20:06pm |
The news today of debt ceiling talks has got the Freepers going through four of the five stages of grieving.
Denial - “We’re winning!”
Anger - “FUCK BOEHNER!”
Bargaining - “If they attach the Full Faith and Credit Act to the ceiling deal, we’ll be in a better position in six weeks!”
Depression - “America is doomed!”
They haven’t reached acceptance yet, but then again, wingnuts never seem to progress that far in the process.
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Lidane Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:21:55pm |
Wheee!
JPMorgan prepares for U.S. default by selling off all its government debt http://t.co/x36s39Tq4S— Huffington Post (@HuffingtonPost) October 10, 2013
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darthstar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:22:05pm |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:22:56pm |
re: #252 Targetpractice
The news today of debt ceiling talks has got the Freepers going through four of the five stages of grieving.
Denial - “We’re winning!”
Anger - “FUCK BOEHNER!”
Bargaining - “If they attach the Full Faith and Credit Act to the ceiling deal, we’ll be in a better position in six weeks!”
Depression - “America is doomed!”They haven’t reached acceptance yet, but then again, wingnuts never seem to progress that far in the process.
Indeed. They never got passed that part of Obama’s election let alone re-election, passage of ACA. or Obama’s re-election.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:23:27pm |
re: #253 Lidane
Wheee!
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I was wondering if they’d wait til Tuesday to begin abandoning ship. Guess this time they really do think Republicans are crazy enough to go through with it.
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sagehen Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:33:31pm |
re: #250 HappyWarrior
Not too hysterical but it’s annoying that he won’t even take the time to research it. I also take issue with him saying that he feels he can’t afford to pay for other people’s health care. I think that’s a lot of crap pardon my language.
He’s *already* paying for other people’s health care.
Where does he think the money comes from when uninsured people end up in the ER with heart attacks and strokes and car accidents and gunshot wounds and babies and diabetic comas?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:34:27pm |
re: #257 sagehen
He’s *already* paying for other people’s health care.
Where does he think the money comes from when uninsured people end up in the ER with heart attacks and strokes and car accidents and gunshot wounds and babies and diabetic comas?
Precisely. This whole I don’t want to pay for other people’s stuff shows a fundamental misunderstanding of reality.
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:36:48pm |
Heh, Ezra Klein points out that the shutdown may have saved the country in an unexpected way:
The shutdown just saved the world
The case was nicely made by Alec Philips of Goldman Sachs. “If a shutdown occurs, we would be surprised if congressional Republicans would want to risk another difficult situation only a couple of weeks later,” he wrote. “The upshot is that while a shutdown would be unnecessarily disruptive, it might actually ease passage of a debt limit increase.”
The idea was that if House Republicans got their shutdown Oct.1, they would be feeling enough political pain by Oct. 17 that they wouldn’t dare add to it by breaching the debt ceiling. And that’s exactly what happened.
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Snarknado! Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:40:11pm |
re: #259 Targetpractice
Heh, Ezra Klein points out that the shutdown may have saved the country in an unexpected way:
I hope you’re right. That they won’t dare breach the debt ceiling, I mean.
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simoom Thu, Oct 10, 2013 10:46:00pm |
Truckers’ Capital Beltway protest isn’t a hoax, organizers say
Zeeda Andrews, one of the organizers of the event, said the ride is a go but emphasized that it will be peaceful. She said that Georgia trucker Earl Conlon “overstepped his boundaries” earlier this week in saying the event was just a ploy to get attention for the group’s agenda.
“Yes, it is happening,” she said about the rally. Andrews said she expects “a few thousand truckers” to descend on the District on Friday.
…
The Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, which represents small-business trucking professionals, said it does not support the group.
“The individuals leading this particular effort have no direct affiliation with trucking and appear to be using truckers in order to gain media attention and air other political grievances,” said Norita Taylor, who heads communications for the 150,000-member group, in a prepared statement. “We do not support assembling in an unlawful, unpermitted manner, committing crimes, making threats on our lawmakers, or behaving in such a way to cast safe, professional truck drivers in a negative light.”
Officials with the American Trucking Associations said their organization “is not a sponsor of this ‘strike’ nor do we endorse or condone the activities of these few individuals.”
Zeeda Andrews — a co-organizer of the effort who made October 8 appearances on Fox News and Glenn Beck’s The Blaze to promote the event — apparently thinks that President Obama and Osama bin Laden are somehow the same person; that Obama is a secret Muslim; that the Boston bombings were a “false flag”; that the CIA murdered Buzzfeed journalist Michael Hastings; and that the Department of Homeland Security is stockpiling ammunition in order to slaughter Americans.
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EPR-radar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:21:48pm |
re: #187 ProTARDISLiberal
Let’s not compare these people to the Mormons.
Mormons once committed war against the United States, committed the worst Terror Attack on US soil until April 19, 1995.
The September 11th Mountain Meadows Massacre.
There’s other stuff, but that is good for now.
One way to look at this business of trying to smear Mormons as a whole using ancient history is that in addition to being basically unfair, it lets Mormon authorities off the hook for their real issues (proposition 8 etc.).
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:22:21pm |
Today’s vocabulary:
A.Word.A.Day
with Anu Gargfustilugs
PRONUNCIATION:
(FUS-ti-lugs)MEANING:
noun: A fat and slovenly person.ETYMOLOGY:
From Middle English fusty (smelly, moldy) + lug (to carry something heavy). Earliest documented use: 1607.USAGE:
“‘Come on, you old fustilugs,’ he called, for she wheezed and blew and mounted with difficulty.” Julian Rathbone; Joseph; Little Brown; 2001.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:24:40pm |
re: #262 EPR-radar
One way to look at this business of trying to smear Mormons as a whole using ancient history is that in addition to being basically unfair, it lets Mormon authorities off the hook for their real issues (proposition 8 etc.).
Can we just agree that every religion/philosophy/ideology and political system has flaws. Individuals will choose to exploit them or ignore them or go thru many mental gymnastics trying to make sense of them.
In each, are individuals who try to do and be good with the tools they have.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:27:02pm |
re: #260 Snarknado!
I hope you’re right. That they won’t dare breach the debt ceiling, I mean.
The Tea Party agrees. “We do not support clean debt ceiling increases,” writes Michael Needham of Heritage Action for America, “but because Heritage Action is committed to giving House Leadership the flexibility they need to refocus the debate on Obamacare we will not key vote against the reported proposal.”
a-the Heritage Foundation has this much power?
b-please remember this fight against Obamacare is about Reproductive Rights —clothed in fear of socialism, or whatthefuckever.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:28:15pm |
re: #257 sagehen
He’s *already* paying for other people’s health care.
Where does he think the money comes from when uninsured people end up in the ER with heart attacks and strokes and car accidents and gunshot wounds and babies and diabetic comas?
Or when the ants realize they are more numerous than the grasshoppers?
Tea Party idiots seem to think they are grasshoppers.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:29:08pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:32:31pm |
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Targetpractice Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:34:14pm |
Krauthammer seems to have already begun the spinning of Boehner’s impending cave as a “win,” because it gets talks started about entitlement “reforms.” Somehow, I don’t think this is gonna take the sour taste out of wingnut mouths.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:37:15pm |
re: #269 Targetpractice
Krauthammer seems to have already begun the spinning of Boehner’s impending cave as a “win,” because it gets talks started about entitlement “reforms.” Somehow, I don’t think this is gonna take the sour taste out of wingnut mouths.
Just wait till November 19th and Klayman attempts his “coup”.
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Varek Raith Thu, Oct 10, 2013 11:43:40pm |
FFS
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piratedan Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:05:25am |
more scary stuff:
and we don’t have any adults in charge to help at the moment. At this point, those stalwarts of integrity, the supposedly silent majority of the GOP has done fuck-all to restrain their Id-based faction so that we can start to address serious fucking issues like climate change instead of blathering whether or not the post office has enough money in their pension fund.
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Amory Blaine Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:09:09am |
The best pears ever. So juicy they’re like oversaturated sponges.
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:12:40am |
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:13:37am |
re: #271 Varek Raith
[Embedded content]
FFS
tell me how you embedded this…
please?
Curious Lurker tried once. Maybe If I hear it from enough people it will click.
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:20:22am |
I used to despise this woman. I just can’t anymore. I think I admire her more and more every day.
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:24:37am |
Barney Frank said something about Invincible Ignorance. So, I decided to google it.
This is interesting. NOt quite sure I’ve absorbed this:
Invincible ignorance, whether of the law or of the fact, is always a valid excuse and excludes sin. The evident reason is that neither this state nor the act resulting therefrom is voluntary. It is undeniable that a man cannot be invincibly ignorant of the natural law, so far as its first principles are concerned, and the inferences easily drawn therefrom. This, however, according to the teaching of St. Thomas, is not true of those remoter conclusions, which are deducible only by a process of laborious and sometimes intricate reasoning. Of these a person may be invincibly ignorant. Even when the invincible ignorance is concomitant, it prevents the act which it accompanies from being regarded as sinful. The perverse temper of soul, which in this case is supposed, retains, of course, such malice as it had. Vincible ignorance, being in some way voluntary, does not permit a man to escape responsibility for the moral deformity of his deeds; he is held to be guilty and in general the more guilty in proportion as his ignorance is more voluntary. Hence, the essential thing to remember is that the guilt of an act performed or omitted in vincible ignorance is not to be measured by the intrinsic malice of the thing done or omitted so much as by the degree of negligence discernible in the act.
He also used my favorite term: Whacko!
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:36:46am |
Majorly Graphic —yet strangely primal and beautiful.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:39:51am |
re: #277 FemNaziBitch
Barney Frank said something about Invincible Ignorance. So, I decided to google it.
This is interesting. NOt quite sure I’ve absorbed this:
Ugh. Reads like a longwinded version of malum prohibitum vs malum in se, only applied to venal vs. mortal sins. Basically, in this context invincible ignorance is the defense for the venal sins of heathens who’ve never been exposed to Christs’ teachings. It doesn’t apply to unforgivable sins like murder. Vincible ignorance isn’t really ignorance, because it’s rooted in rejection of the rules of faith, it applies to sinners who should know better.
Barney Frank was referring to invincible ignorance as a logical fallacy, which is basically a baseless blanket rejection of an argument, with absolutely zero consideration of the merits or evidence provided.
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piratedan Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:40:56am |
re: #280 goddamnedfrank
Ugh. Reads like a longwinded version of malum prohibitum vs malum in se, only applied to venal vs. mortal sins. Basically, in this context invincible ignorance is the defense for the venal sins of heathens who’ve never been exposed to Christs’ teachings. It doesn’t apply to unforgivable sins like murder. Vincible ignorance isn’t really ignorance, because it’s rooted in rejection of the rules of faith, it applies to sinners who should know better.
Barney Frank was referring to invincible ignorance as a logical fallacy, which is basically a baseless blanket rejection of an argument, with absolutely zero consideration of the merits or evidence provided.
so essentially the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going “lalalalalallalla I can’t hear youuuuu”?
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:44:18am |
re: #281 piratedan
so essentially the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going “lalalalalallalla I can’t hear youuuuu”?
Basically, the proactive application of fractally wrong.
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:44:44am |
Piratedan —Yeah, that’s about how I took it as well.
goddamnedfrank —yes, I thought there might be hours of interesting discussion involved —LOL.
I’m not sure I like the term. But there it is.
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:45:51am |
I think I’ve seen more positive references to Islam in the last week than I’ve seen EVER.
GOP is doing a great job aren’t they?
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:46:42am |
re: #282 goddamnedfrank
Basically, the proactive application of fractally wrong.
Now that is a useful term.
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piratedan Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:47:59am |
re: #282 goddamnedfrank
well lets hope that the GOP continues to make misstep after misstep so we can finally overcome the money and media advantage and get some things done in the country. Address climate change, repair and retool our infrastructure, rein in the privatization of our schools, prisons and intelligence services and maybe, finally look at immigration reform.
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:49:06am |
re: #286 piratedan
well lets hope that the GOP continues to make misstep after misstep so we can finally overcome the money and media advantage and get some things done in the country. Address climate change, repair and retool our infrastructure, rein in the privatization of our schools, prisons and intelligence services and maybe, finally look at immigration reform.
Pass the ERA.
I know I get tiresome. Yet, the longer I look at this stuff, the more and more I realize it’s necessary. I’m convinced that the crimes that causes other crime—Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault —will not be dealt with consistently and uniformly until Women are included in the Constitution formally.
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piratedan Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:54:22am |
re: #287 FemNaziBitch
finally, perhaps it would end those questions if the ERA was done, maybe even replace the VRA to a degree…..
maybe find the time to fund and staff government regulation agencies, get some judges appointed, bill the shit out of those companies that continue to spill oil all over the place and then get it cleaned up. Roll back all of this Christianist Taliban bullshit encroachments against womens rights.
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:59:26am |
re: #282 goddamnedfrank
Basically, the proactive application of fractally wrong.
I have this image of turtles in my head now. Fractally Wrong means wrong all the way down —like the turtle myth.
Turtles are now how I will remember the term.
This is how my mind works.
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:03:44am |
Lovely, just Lovely
Doctor: Flesh-eating ‘Krokodil’ drug surfaces in Will County
The comments are amazing.
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Lidane Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:04:27am |
If you see one pic today, it's of Frank Zappa holding a cat, with his parents, in an all-purple room http://t.co/szB6NQO7ML— Huffington Post (@HuffingtonPost) October 10, 2013
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:10:35am |
re: #291 Lidane
Yes, even the Gods of Rock are awkward when at home with their parents…
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:16:42am |
re: #293 FemNaziBitch
Not enough to take him out of the gene pool, just enough to get him put away where he cannot contact women for some years…
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:23:23am |
Undocumented immigrants soon can apply for drivers licenses in Aurora, Naperville
Illinois is among at least 10 states that offer driver’s licenses to undocumented immigrants. California was the most recent state to join that list, with the governor signing the state’s law last week.
Interesting. I don’t know, if I were in that situation, if I’d trust the system enough to declare I was undocumented.
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:25:19am |
Former speaker Hastert says both sides can share blame
Hastert represented my district. We still have some shitty roads … .
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:26:35am |
Gallop: In U.S., Perceived Need for Third Party Reaches New High
Yes, this election cycle is going to be interesting.
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wheat-dogghazi Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:32:43am |
re: #297 FemNaziBitch
Gallop: In U.S., Perceived Need for Third Party Reaches New High
Yes, this election cycle is going to be interesting.
I suggest the Batshit Crazy Party as a suitable name.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:33:13am |
re: #297 FemNaziBitch
Gallop: In U.S., Perceived Need for Third Party Reaches New High
Yes, this election cycle is going to be interesting.
Yes, the Teaheadis are drunk with power and not about to relinquish their position within the party, the only thing the Party can do is to saw them off.
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Lidane Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:34:05am |
re: #297 FemNaziBitch
Gallop: In U.S., Perceived Need for Third Party Reaches New High
Yes, this election cycle is going to be interesting.
Perceived needs are one thing. Getting around election laws that are designed to maintain the two-party system are another. Case in point:
Ohio Senate passes new third-party ballot rules
The proposal comes as Ohio Republicans face growing competition from tea party supporters who say they may support a third-party challenger to Republican Gov. John Kasich next year.
Seitz’s bill would require minor parties to gather petition signatures from at least 1 percent of the total vote cast in the most recent election for governor or president. That’s more than 56,000 signatures using last year’s election numbers. To remain a qualified political party, groups must get 3 percent of the total votes cast in the following gubernatorial or presidential election.
No third-party candidate in the most recent elections has reached those numbers.
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:34:08am |
Ok,well, I am going to attempt sleep.
Have a great morning all!
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sagehen Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:45:40am |
re: #295 FemNaziBitch
Interesting. I don’t know, if I were in that situation, if I’d trust the system enough to declare I was undocumented.
If I were sharing the road with them, I’d be happy the system was testing their skills and making them buy insurance.
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sagehen Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:52:21am |
re: #157 sagehen
Tonight’s episode of “Elementary” centers around a character obviously based on Edward Snowden….
non-spoilery review — anybody who doesn’t like Edward Snowden and Anonymous will enjoy this episode. Even if you don’t usually watch the show (which you should; Johnny Lee Miller is an awesome Sherlock, Lucy Liu is a magnificent Joan Watson, and it’s set in NYC).
The episode is called “We Are Everyone”
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 2:34:08am |
This is excellent news.
The Nobel Peace Prize for 2013
“The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2013 is to be awarded to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) for its extensive efforts to eliminate chemical weapons.
“During World War One, chemical weapons were used to a considerable degree. The Geneva Convention of 1925 prohibited the use, but not the production or storage, of chemical weapons. During World War Two, chemical means were employed in Hitler’s mass exterminations. Chemical weapons have subsequently been put to use on numerous occasions by both states and terrorists. In 1992-93 a convention was drawn up prohibiting also the production and storage of such weapons. It came into force in 1997. Since then the OPCW has, through inspections, destruction and by other means, sought the implementation of the convention. 189 states have acceded to the convention to date.
“The conventions and the work of the OPCW have defined the use of chemical weapons as a taboo under international law. Recent events in Syria, where chemical weapons have again been put to use, have underlined the need to enhance the efforts to do away with such weapons. Some states are still not members of the OPCW. Certain states have not observed the deadline, which was April 2012, for destroying their chemical weapons. This applies especially to the USA and Russia.”
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sagehen Fri, Oct 11, 2013 2:40:16am |
Cory Booker’s dad died yesterday; he’s cancelled all campaign appearances for a couple of days.
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 2:53:45am |
The push to maximize Snowden as a “whistleblower” continues. Photo w/others in Moscow on 10/9/2013. This “award” generally goes to intelligence “professionals” who stand up for integrity and ethics, not some libertarian twit who takes it upon himself to judge what he thinks an entire agency should do and steals from it, causing undue harm to both individuals, the agency, and the nation itself.
A story on this amazing turn of events and a visit to Russia by Snowden’s father.
Snowden honored in Moscow by U.S. whistle-blowers group
Four U.S. activists, who said they met him Wednesday, gave Edward Snowden a truth-telling award on behalf of Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence, an organization of former national-security officials.
“The four Americans told their story Thursday in a 15-minute program on the RT channel, which is financed by the Kremlin and broadcasts its point of view. Snowden’s father, Lon, met reporters in the company of Anatoly Kucherena, Snowden’s Kremlin-connected lawyer, and sped from the airport to an appearance on the main Russian television channel, also controlled by the Kremlin.
“I’m Mr. Kucherena’s guest,” Lon Snowden said, “and I’m very thankful for his hospitality, and I’m going to follow Mr. Kucherena’s advice and that will determine where my day leads.”
“Lon Snowden acknowledged that Julian Assange and anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks had helped arrange his travel to Moscow, and the four Americans said Sarah Harrison, an Assange aide, remained with Snowden in refuge.”
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Amory Blaine Fri, Oct 11, 2013 2:55:17am |
Krokodil is a natural market response to scarcity and prohibition.
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 2:56:57am |
re: #307 Amory Blaine
Krokodil is a natural market response to scarcity and prohibition.
Healthy young individuals killing themselves with illegal substances is not “natural” to me.
The “market” has been wrong more than a few times.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 2:57:58am |
re: #306 Justanotherhuman
People do not like the IRA, CIA, FBI or the NSA and welcome anything that makes them look bad. It is a childish and short-sighted approach to agencies who are given complex but necessary tasks.
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Amory Blaine Fri, Oct 11, 2013 3:01:23am |
re: #308 Justanotherhuman
Effects are consequential. Addicts need safe access to drugs. They will do what it takes to get it. As evidenced by krokadils proliferation in Russia.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 3:07:48am |
re: #310 Amory Blaine
Regulation is necessary, prohibition is often counterproductive.
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 3:12:10am |
re: #309 Sol Berdinowitz
People do not like the IRA, CIA, FBI or the NSA and welcome anything that makes them look bad. It is a childish and short-sighted approach to agencies who are given complex but necessary tasks.
Yeah, some people never grow out of that rebellious adolescent stage and mistake it for actual analysis of wrong doing. It’s nothing more than a knee jerk reaction to authority in most cases and a reluctance to see objections through the normal course of rectification. There is plenty wrong with many aspects of American life, but cherry picking govt agencies exclusively is very slanted, and usually reveals an agenda somewhere along the way.
It’s part of the “instant gratification” aspect of American life, unfortunately. We are nowhere close to fascism in this country, but you’d never know it when people like Snowden commit these egregious acts, and get tons of publicity. The actual flaws in the NSA are likely to be background noise and misrepresented, as we have seen, over and over.
The threshold for “wrong doing”, “secrecy”, and illegality within a govt agency always seems to be of a lower measure than that of private individuals or employees of said agencies, so that while individuals can commit criminal acts, even engage in espionage and treason, those agencies must be pristine and above reproach in their entirety.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 3:32:35am |
re: #312 Justanotherhuman
Yeah, some people never grow out of that rebellious adolescent stage and mistake it for actual analysis of wrong doing. It’s nothing more than a knee jerk reaction to authority in most cases and a reluctance to see objections through the normal course of rectification. There is plenty wrong with many aspects of American life, but cherry picking govt agencies exclusively is very slanted, and usually reveals an agenda somewhere along the way.
To be fair few people deny that there are substantial flaws with the Patriot act and the leverage it’s given the government to operate and intercept communications. Particularly with regards to secrecy and oversight.
Also, the FBI has a long and ignominious history of official abuse and corruption. However far they’ve come they’ll always live in the shadow of Hoover. Hell, to this day they’re headquartered in a building that bears his name.
The problems the conspiracy theorists face are twofold. First, they’ve placed their faith in highly unethical activist “journalists” like Greenwald who have no problem lying to sell their story. Second, they’re viewing the world from inside the conspiracy theory’s event horizon. What actual problems do present themselves can’t be examined accurately there, because it, distorts, bends and warps every single fact that comes near, incorporating it into the belief system of the conspiracy itself. Nothing can escape and nothing ever disproves. Through that gravitational lens everything becomes part of and supports the conspiracy as fact.
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 3:44:00am |
C.I.A. Warning on Snowden in ‘09 Said to Slip Through the Cracks
WASHINGTON — Just as Edward J. Snowden was preparing to leave Geneva and a job as a C.I.A. technician in 2009, his supervisor wrote a derogatory report in his personnel file, noting a distinct change in the young man’s behavior and work habits, as well as a troubling suspicion.
“The C.I.A. suspected that Mr. Snowden was trying to break into classified computer files to which he was not authorized to have access, and decided to send him home, according to two senior American officials.
“But the red flags went unheeded. Mr. Snowden left the C.I.A. to become a contractor for the National Security Agency, and four years later he leaked thousands of classified documents. The supervisor’s cautionary note and the C.I.A.’s suspicions apparently were not forwarded to the N.S.A. or its contractors, and surfaced only after federal investigators began scrutinizing Mr. Snowden’s record once the documents began spilling out, intelligence and law enforcement officials said. “
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 3:48:02am |
re: #315 Justanotherhuman
How are they supposed to protect us against terrorists when they cannot even protect themselves against computer nerds?
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wheat-dogghazi Fri, Oct 11, 2013 3:49:33am |
re: #315 Justanotherhuman
C.I.A. Warning on Snowden in ‘09 Said to Slip Through the Cracks
WASHINGTON — Just as Edward J. Snowden was preparing to leave Geneva and a job as a C.I.A. technician in 2009, his supervisor wrote a derogatory report in his personnel file, noting a distinct change in the young man’s behavior and work habits, as well as a troubling suspicion.
“The C.I.A. suspected that Mr. Snowden was trying to break into classified computer files to which he was not authorized to have access, and decided to send him home, according to two senior American officials.
“But the red flags went unheeded. Mr. Snowden left the C.I.A. to become a contractor for the National Security Agency, and four years later he leaked thousands of classified documents. The supervisor’s cautionary note and the C.I.A.’s suspicions apparently were not forwarded to the N.S.A. or its contractors, and surfaced only after federal investigators began scrutinizing Mr. Snowden’s record once the documents began spilling out, intelligence and law enforcement officials said. “
Putting all the security agencies under Homeland Security was supposed to improve communication. Seems it didn’t work so well.
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Lidane Fri, Oct 11, 2013 3:53:19am |
Establishment GOPers assail tea party on shutdown: http://t.co/l5yvwAgLfZ— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) October 11, 2013
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 3:56:21am |
re: #314 goddamnedfrank
To be fair few people deny that there are substantial flaws with the Patriot act and the leverage it’s given the government to operate and intercept communications. Particularly with regards to secrecy and oversight.
Also, the FBI has a long and ignominious history of official abuse and corruption. However far they’ve come they’ll always live in the shadow of Hoover. Hell, to this day they’re headquartered in a building that bears his name.
The problems the conspiracy theorists face are twofold. First, they’ve placed their faith in highly unethical activist “journalists” like Greenwald who have no problem lying to sell their story. Second, they’re viewing the world from inside the conspiracy theory’s event horizon. What actual problems do present themselves can’t be examined accurately there, because it, distorts, bends and warps every single fact that comes near, incorporating it into the belief system of the conspiracy itself. Nothing can escape and nothing ever disproves. Through that gravitational lens everything becomes part of and supports the conspiracy as fact.
Yeah, I have a reason for not liking them, having been subject to them trying to silence my 1st Amendment rights back in the day. But that was then, during the Nixon years, when intimidation was freely used against anti-war protestors and ordinary people arrested in droves.
This is very different. We’re faced with a different set of ideologies, motives, etc, which make my protest of the Vietnam War look like a nursery school exercise.
I don’t pretend to be an expert and making judgments about what these agencies might be doing is not my decision to make, but is a function of a democracy, not an individual. What is even scarier is the fact that a small group of representatives is able to halt the flow of govt, without consideration of the consequences thereof, and also previously tying the hands of an admin that was determined to make corrections where overzealous policies had been made.
If people think the turtle’s crawl of democracy is just not working, what is there to replace it? Change is slow to make and implement, but I’d rather keep it than subject us to something even more restrictive, more authoritarian, more ideological. And we’ve come close to that in the past.
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:05:03am |
re: #317 wheat-dogghazi
Putting all the security agencies under Homeland Security was supposed to improve communication. Seems it didn’t work so well.
Well, they continue to use contractors to do the background checks, too.
This is privatization at its worse. One hand doesn’t know what dick the other one is playing with.
We saw how things were overlooked in the Aaron Alexis case, also. People make assumptions and those assumption lead to sloppiness, as well.
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Flounder Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:09:17am |
Why is it I am always in a hurry to get to work, but never in a hurry to get home?
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Lidane Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:10:05am |
Obama, Biden meeting with Senate Republicans today: http://t.co/62NjTbM0oM— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) October 11, 2013
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:13:54am |
For now, the ire targeted at Republicans is at a rapid boil, according to public opinion surveys. In a Gallup poll conducted Oct. 3-6, the Republican Party’s favorability was at a record low of 28 percent, down 10 percentage points from the previous month and 15 points below Democrats. That’s the largest gap since the Republican-led Congress impeached then-President Bill Clinton in 1998, when the party lost seats in Congress for the second consecutive election.A NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released last night showed 53 percent blamed Republicans more for the shutdown, compared with 31 percent faulting President Barack Obama. Also in the Oct. 7-9 survey, 47 percent said they preferred the 2014 elections result in a Democratic-controlled Congress, compared with 39 percent favoring the Republicans.
…
Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg, who earlier this year began a study of his partisan adversaries, said Republicans have already inflicted what may be irreparable damage on their reputation. Named Democratic candidates had a 4-point advantage over Republicans when likely voters were asked who they plan to vote for in his latest Democracy Corps survey, he said, a 5-point shift from July, when Democrats were 1 point behind.
“What’s happened with the shutdown is that the House Republicans have made themselves the center of the story, and the intensity we are seeing as a result is in the hostility to the Republican Congress,” Greenberg said in an interview. “For the first time, I think they’ve created the possibility of significant changes in the House.”
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Flounder Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:30:52am |
re: #323 goddamnedfrank
“In that case,” said Napoleon, “let us wait twenty minutes; when the enemy is making a false movement we must take good care not to interrupt him.”
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Flounder Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:34:29am |
I’ve been saying this all week:
Youtube Video
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:36:25am |
CBS News Congressional Correspondent Nancy Cordes reports House Republican leaders feel strongly they can’t vote to fund the government without getting some kind of face-saving concession, and they believe they convinced Mr. Obama of that this evening. As one aide put it, “it was very clear that this clean debt limit was our coming halfway and now he needs to have a down payment as well.”They need Democrats to give them something they can sell to their members and constituents as a win, Cordes points out. Otherwise they have little to show for a 10-day shutdown beyond a vague promise of debt talks to come.
One aide told Cordes it just needs to be a “fig leaf” — sort of a signal from the president that he is serious about debt reduction negotiations.
Oh, man, so much chum in the water. The Republicans are in such deep shit now and they know it:
“Now that we’ve jumped off the cliff, lit ourselves on fire, we’ve entered the valley of death,”
So now they’re looking for some kind of face saving fig leaf to show to their supporters. Only here’s the problem, no matter what pittance they’re offered at this point, nobody’s going to buy it as a win. Even rank and file Republicans, masters of self deception that they may be, are going to know how badly their leaders and representatives fucked over the brand. Hell, they’re here, in the press, openly admitting to begging like dogs.
The Tea Party is going to react like a rabid meth addicted weasel over any deal that doesn’t include crippling or destroying the ACA, and will target every remaining moderate Republican left for a primary challenge. Quite a few won’t stop there, so that by Fall 2014 we’ll probably see several “safe” Republican seats turned into three way races with an official Tea Party candidate going all the way to the general election.
I’d feel so much schadenfreude at this point if they hadn’t shut down the government and threatened to default on the US debt in this spiteful quest to prevent people like me from just having access to the individual healthcare market. Instead, all I feel is wrath. At this point there isn’t a single evil thing that could befall the Republican / Tea Party that would sadden me. I hope the entire movement burns so that something less mean, less bigoted, revanchist, short sighted and abjectly selfish can rise from the ashes and participate like adults in governing the country.
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Varek Raith Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:37:43am |
re: #326 goddamnedfrank
Oh, man, so much chum in the water. The Republicans are in such deep shit now and they know it:
So now they’re looking for some kind of face saving fig leaf to show to their supporters. Only here’s the problem, no matter what pittance they’re offered at this point, nobody’s going to buy it as a win. Even rank and file Republicans, masters of self deception that they may be, are going to know how badly their leaders and representatives fucked over the brand. Hell, they’re here, in the press, openly admitting to begging like dogs.
The Tea Party is going to react like a rabid meth addicted weasel over any deal that doesn’t include crippling or destroying the ACA, and will target every remaining moderate Republican left for a primary challenge. Quite a few won’t stop there, so that by Fall 2014 we’ll probably see several “safe” Republican seats turned into three way races with an official Tea Party candidate going all the way to the general election.
I’d feel so much schadenfreude at this point if they hadn’t shut down the government and threatened to default on the US debt in this spiteful quest to prevent people like me from just having access to the individual healthcare market. Instead, all I feel is wrath. At this point there isn’t a single evil thing that could befall the Republican / Tea Party that would sadden me. I hope the entire movement burns so that something less mean, less bigoted, revanchist, short sighted and abjectly selfish can rise from the ashes and participate like adults in governing the country.
Allow me to play my microscopic violin.
If I can find the blasted thing…
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:38:40am |
I missed the whole discussion above about some Orthodox Jews acting like assholes in this divorce scam.
I try not to get involved in these discussions here because inevitably you get somebody saying HURR HURR SEE HOW HORRIBLE ALL TEH RELIGIOUS JUICE ARE!!!1!!!!! similar to HURR HURR ALL MUSLIMZ IS HONOR KILLERZ!!!1!!!!
There are assholes in every ethnic, racial and religious group. Also, some religions are enabling of assholes. People who are not religious in any way can also be controlling assholes (money is usually involved).
I hate when this stuff happens.
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:40:02am |
re: #326 goddamnedfrank
Oh, man, so much chum in the water. The Republicans are in such deep shit now and they know it:
So now they’re looking for some kind of face saving fig leaf to show to their supporters. Only here’s the problem, no matter what pittance they’re offered at this point, nobody’s going to buy it as a win. Even rank and file Republicans, masters of self deception that they may be, are going to know how badly their leaders and representatives fucked over the brand. Hell, they’re here, in the press, openly admitting to begging like dogs.
The Tea Party is going to react like a rabid meth addicted weasel over any deal that doesn’t include crippling or destroying the ACA, and will target every remaining moderate Republican left for a primary challenge. Quite a few won’t stop there, so that by Fall 2014 we’ll probably see several “safe” Republican seats turned into three way races with an official Tea Party candidate going all the way to the general election.
I’d feel so much schadenfreude at this point if they hadn’t shut down the government and threatened to default on the US debt in this spiteful quest to prevent people like me from just having access to the individual healthcare market. Instead, all I feel is wrath. At this point there isn’t a single evil thing that could befall the Republican / Tea Party that would sadden me. I hope the entire movement burns so that something less mean, less bigoted, revanchist, short sighted and abjectly selfish can rise from the ashes and participate like adults in governing the country.
Why should Pres Obama help them “save face”? I’m sure he has something he can tempt them with, though.
As for me, I’d rather they all commit seppuku and just go away—far, far away.
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Amory Blaine Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:40:59am |
A fig leaf emboldens these teabaggers, this constant state of flux is fucking bullshit.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:46:54am |
re: #330 Amory Blaine
A fig leaf emboldens these teabaggers …
Not really, if they’re one thing it’s remarkably consistent in their hatred of the ACA. So many of them have gone on record as stating that anything short of repeal is a failure. At this point they aren’t going to get a single thing related to the ACA, their original goal. Obama probably will allow a repeal of the medical device tax down the road, but a ton of Democrats want that too because those devices are made in blue states and districts.
No matter what happens now the GOP / Tea Party civil war is about to turn bloody.
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:54:14am |
I always enjoyed kissing—lots of it. If a man doesn’t kiss, a lot, women generally don’t trust him. And not all kissers are equal, either.
Kissing helps us find the right partner - and keep them
“The survey responses showed that women rated kissing as generally more important in relationships than men. Furthermore, men and women who rated themselves as being attractive, or who tended to have more short-term relationships and casual encounters, also rated kissing as being more important.
“In humans, as in all mammals, females must invest more time than men in having offspring - pregnancy takes nine months and breast-feeding may take up to several years. Previous studies have shown women tend to be more selective when initially choosing a partner. Men and women who are more attractive, or have more casual sex partners, have also been found to be more selective in choosing potential mates. As it is these groups which tended to value kissing more in their survey responses, it suggests that kissing helps in assessing potential mates.
“It has been suggested previously that kissing may allow people to subconsciously assess a potential partner through taste or smell, picking up on biological cues for compatibility, genetic fitness or general health.”
I’m not sure lots of kissing can always “keep” a mate, though. There are too many other factors in relationships which play on them to assume that.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 4:54:37am |
Bryan is happy that GOP is eating its own.
I am happy too.
We are already a three party system: Democrats, Ruling-Class Republicans, Citizen-Class Republicans. http://t.co/frej6VrvTo— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) October 11, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:00:26am |
You got the wrong Jefferson, Bryan. It’s Davis, not Thomas.
Thomas Jefferson's spirit of secession, which led to our independence, is alive and well in the U.S. http://t.co/fiawYcQQfS— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) October 11, 2013
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:00:49am |
re: #331 goddamnedfrank
The medical device tax, for me, is the ‘wrong’ kind of tax. I mean, I think all taxes except on personal income (in a simplified system) are ‘wrong’; if a product is made in a way that pollutes or harms the common good I’m fine with the company being charged for it, but not as a tax, because it just confuses thing. The medical device tax is pretty much just a revenue booster and has, like all business taxes, an oppressive effect on small businesses while not really affecting larger businesses that can play games with taxation and hire a thousand lawyers, etc.
I think it’s an excellent thing to give away, but we still need to get normal taxes up. That’s one of the end-games: a return to sane taxation on personal income. And estate taxes.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:00:50am |
re: #329 Justanotherhuman
Why should Pres Obama help them “save face”? I’m sure he has something he can tempt them with, though.
As for me, I’d rather they all commit seppuku and just go away—far, far away.
You don’t back a rabid rat into a corner. You lure it out and hit it with a shovel.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:02:32am |
re: #337 Decatur Deb
You don’t back a rabid rat into a corner. You lure it out and hit it with a shovel.
There is this aspect of it. That’s why I like Obama’s continual stressing of “Pass these bills, then we can talk.” That makes the trade clear: As a reward for acting rationally, the GOP can be talked to as though they are rational. And then metaphorically hit with a shovel when they show themselves incapable of doing that.
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Varek Raith Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:04:21am |
We should send Republicans actual fig leafs.
;)
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Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:05:51am |
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:06:11am |
re: #337 Decatur Deb
You don’t back a rabid rat into a corner. You lure it out and hit it with a shovel.
Which is why I said, “I’m sure he has something he can tempt them with, though.”
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:11:43am |
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:13:52am |
re: #343 Gus
Oregon man walking to honor his son hit, killed by truck in Colorado
Fuck you universe shitty humans. Just fuck you.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:14:07am |
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Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:16:28am |
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:18:33am |
re: #343 Gus
Oregon man walking to honor his son hit, killed by truck in Colorado
Awful, just awful. So tired of the hate, too.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:20:04am |
On the road for a week (no, not on I 495).
Be Back Erratically.
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wheat-dogghazi Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:24:35am |
re: #326 goddamnedfrank
The USA will always be in debt, necessarily. Debt reduction is a smokescreen for what the TP really wants: complete dismantling of large segments of the government. That’s the only feasible way to reduce the debt load.
The repetitive drama over the debt ceiling is yet another smokescreen. It is not intrinsically a bad thing to raise the ceiling. In the past raising the debt ceiling was just business as usual, because as the nation’s economy grows and as more T-bills and T-bonds are issued, the nation’s debt increases with it. Higher debt is not a bad thing, as long as there is way to service the debt. That’s how people buy houses and cars, after all. Despite a weak economy, the USA has the means to service its debts.
The TP knows that Joe Q. Public confuses the ideas of debt and debt ceiling, so they’re using the debt ceiling CR as a way to seemingly attack “Big Government” and pretend they are getting to the heart of the problem. In fact, it’s all a sham. Obama knows it, and probably the sane faction of the GOP does, too. The TP nuts have wrapped this issue around themselves so tight that they have nowhere to go. In terms of political strategy, its suicidal.
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:25:08am |
What does this even mean?
“We talked about examples of great people under this kind of pressure, & he’s remarkably centered” - ex-FBI agent Colleen Rowley on Snowden— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) October 11, 2013
In Russia, is impossible to be “centered”.
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Romantic Heretic Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:26:08am |
re: #260 Snarknado!
I hope you’re right. That they won’t dare breach the debt ceiling, I mean.
The problem with that is their stated goal is destruction of the Federal Government and breaking the debt ceiling is an excellent way to do that.
We’re dealing with Bolsheviks and Jacobins here. They don’t want the system made better. They want it destroyed, and if a lot of people have to be hurt for that to come about, they’re cool with that.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:27:33am |
By a 22-point margin (53 percent to 31 percent), the public blames the Republican Party more for the shutdown than President Barack Obama - a wider margin of blame for the GOP than the party received during the poll during the last shutdown in 1995-96.
This is turning into such an epic level debacle for the GOP. What’s making it extra special bad this time around is that they’re all in, virtually to a man in the House. The moderates had their chance to pass the clean CR when it was voted on via appeal, but they chose loyalty to their suicidal leadership over country.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:27:40am |
Please proceed.
60% of America calling for third party. Hey, we already have one: the Tea Party. http://t.co/KT1pCN3XTv— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) October 11, 2013
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Targetpractice Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:30:15am |
re: #356 goddamnedfrank
This is turning into such an epic level debacle for the GOP. What’s making it extra special bad this time around is that they’re all in, virtually to a man in the House. The moderates had their chance to pass the clean CR when it was voted on via appeal, but they chose loyalty to their suicidal leadership over country.
I’m hearing a lot of poll trutherism today, everything from picking out the numbers that either make the President look bad or at least make the blame seem shared and going “We’re winning!” or just outright denying the poll’s results by declaring that there’s some other factor (such as dissatisfaction with perceived weakness by the party leadership) as bringing down the poll numbers.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:31:46am |
Good morning Lizards!
More rain in Philly today. And no coffee yet today. Drinking tea since I am at home and packing for a trip to North Carolina. Flying to Wilmington, NC in the early afternoon after meeting my brother at the airport.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:33:14am |
The NY Post channels #UniteBlue, says of whistleblower meeting: “Benedict Arnold would have fit right in.” http://t.co/3nBrQ8sow2— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) October 11, 2013
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:33:50am |
re: #358 Targetpractice
I’m hearing a lot of poll trutherism today, everything from picking out the numbers that either make the President look bad or at least make the blame seem shared and going “We’re winning!” or just outright denying the poll’s results by declaring that there’s some other factor (such as dissatisfaction with perceived weakness by the party leadership) as bringing down the poll numbers.
GOP should just start issuing press releases on how President Romney has defunded various parts of the government, destroyed all of America’s enemies, converted all the Muslims to Christianity, and put gruel in every pot and trees of the right height in every yard.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:34:05am |
re: #357 Vicious Babushka
Please proceed.
There were calls as early as 2008 to field a “true conservative” candidate because the religious right was not pleased with Mccains record on social policy.
That was part of what led to Sarah Palin’s candididacy, which was what really opened the gates of the asylum and let them run roughshod over the party.
She came out swinging and spewing nonsense and nobody dared call her out on it for fear of not showing solidarity.
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b.d. Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:34:54am |
re: #354 Justanotherhuman
What does this even mean?
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In Russia, is impossible to be “centered”.
My guess is that by centered he means that his Dudebro bubble of infallibility has not yet been compromised by cheap vodka and a horrible realization of reality……yet.
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Romantic Heretic Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:34:55am |
re: #277 FemNaziBitch
Barney Frank said something about Invincible Ignorance. So, I decided to google it.
This is interesting. NOt quite sure I’ve absorbed this:
He also used my favorite term: Whacko!
I use the term ‘information disease’.
The human brain processes information through the prism of the information already in there. If the pre-existing information is bad then all new information that comes in is either damaged to fit into the damaged perspective of the victim. Or it’s literally rejected like a transplanted and is never stored in the person’s brain.
I see this in a lot of fanatics like the teahadis and the Islamists. Although there are many who latch on to belief systems because it lets them be dicks to other people.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:35:04am |
re: #358 Targetpractice
I’m hearing a lot of poll trutherism today, everything from picking out the numbers that either make the President look bad or at least make the blame seem shared and going “We’re winning!” or just outright denying the poll’s results by declaring that there’s some other factor (such as dissatisfaction with perceived weakness by the party leadership) as bringing down the poll numbers.
Yes, the polls are in desperate need of a good, hard unskewing, because that worked so well last year. They’re saying “damn the torpedoes” as they sail into a barrier reef.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:35:09am |
Truckpocalypse!
About a dozen truckers in left lane of inner loop headed towards Wilson bridge from MD to VA pic.twitter.com/oP0XObTmAU— Bri Carter (@ABC7Bri) October 11, 2013
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wheat-dogghazi Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:36:43am |
re: #362 Sol Berdinowitz
There were calls as early as 2008 to field a “true conservative” candidate because the religious right was not pleased with Mccains record on social policy.
That was part of what led to Sarah Palin’s candididacy, which was what really opened the gates of the asylum and let them run roughshod over the party.
She came out swinging and spewing nonsense and nobody dared call her out on it for fear of not showing solidarity.
If the Tea party really does split off from the GOP, it’s safe bet that none of their candidates will gain any traction in national contests. Their politics is too extreme for most people to stomach. It will be yet another third party sent to history’s dustbin.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:37:02am |
re: #362 Sol Berdinowitz
There were calls as early as 2008 to field a “true conservative” candidate because the religious right was not pleased with Mccains record on social policy.
That was part of what led to Sarah Palin’s candididacy, which was what really opened the gates of the asylum and let them run roughshod over the party.
She came out swinging and spewing nonsense and nobody dared call her out on it for fear of not showing solidarity.
GOP has spent decades enforcing party politicians acting in lockstep in voting what the leaders tell them to - and punishing those who break from the herd. Now, when their leader has fallen in with the radicals in perceived (and now very real) fear that he will lose his position, this has become a liability since no one is willing to break conditioning and protect the party at the expense of the leader mis-leading.
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b.d. Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:37:16am |
re: #367 Vicious Babushka
Truckpocalypse!
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I would say that all of those trucks on the road are a sign of a healthy economy.
Thanks Obama!
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:39:04am |
re: #368 wheat-dogghazi
If the Tea party really does split off from the GOP, it’s safe bet that none of their candidates will gain any traction in national contests. Their politics is too extreme for most people to stomach. It will be yet another third party sent to history’s dustbin.
What a TP split from the GOP will mean is that they will siphon off enough votes from the mainstream GOP to be steamrolled by the Democrats, like Ross Perot did to GHWB in ‘92, resulting in Bill Clinton’s victory.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:39:23am |
re: #369 Feline Fearless Leader
GOP has spent decades enforcing party politicians acting in lockstep in voting what the leaders tell them to - and punishing those who break from the herd. Now, when their leader has fallen in with the radicals in perceived (and now very real) fear that he will lose his position, this has become a liability since no one is willing to break conditioning and protect the party at the expense of the leader mis-leading.
TP + Hastert Rule = end of relevance
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:40:36am |
re: #372 Sol Berdinowitz
TP + Hastert Rule = end of relevance
In short, GOP is now lying in the bed they made.
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wheat-dogghazi Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:40:54am |
re: #371 Vicious Babushka
What a TP split from the GOP will mean is that they will siphon off enough votes from the mainstream GOP to be steamrolled by the Democrats, like Ross Perot did to GHWB in ‘92, resulting in Bill Clinton’s victory.
Yeah, that, too. it will take years for the GOP to recover and be a viable party again. If Goldwater were alive today, he’d be saying, “I told you so.”
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Targetpractice Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:41:46am |
re: #366 goddamnedfrank
Yes, the polls are in desperate need of a good, hard unskewing, because that worked so well last year. They’re saying “damn the torpedoes” as they sail into a barrier reef.
You know how it goes, in their minds nothing is their fault. If they sail into that reef, it’s because Obama didn’t wrestle away the wheel from them, even though they swore up and down that letting him near the wheel was what had gotten them all into this mess in the first place.
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wheat-dogghazi Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:42:46am |
re: #375 Targetpractice
You know how it goes, in their minds nothing is their fault. If they sail into that reef, it’s because Obama didn’t wrestle away the wheel from them, even though they swore up and down that letting him near the wheel was what had gotten them all into this mess in the first place.
Fanatics should not be in charge of the ship.
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:43:23am |
re: #368 wheat-dogghazi
If the Tea party really does split off from the GOP, it’s safe bet that none of their candidates will gain any traction in national contests. Their politics is too extreme for most people to stomach. It will be yet another third party sent to history’s dustbin.
The 21st Century version of the Know-Nothings or the Anti-Masonic Party.
The graveyard of failed political parties always has room for another occupant.
Good morning, Lizards.
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:45:21am |
re: #371 Vicious Babushka
What a TP split from the GOP will mean is that they will siphon off enough votes from the mainstream GOP to be steamrolled by the Democrats, like Ross Perot did to GHWB in ‘92, resulting in Bill Clinton’s victory.
Precisely. A TP split will do nothing but ensure that the Democratic Party captures the House and retains (and possibly increase their majority) in the Senate.
And the TP’ers will wail and gnash their teeth so more, no doubt.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:48:41am |
re: #360 Vicious Babushka
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So too would have Aaron Burr and his dreams of an American Monarchy.
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b.d. Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:48:42am |
re: #367 Vicious Babushka
Hahaha
Anyone on the beltway seeing the trucker protest ? #T2SDA
— Bri Carter (@ABC7Bri) October 11, 2013
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ObserverArt Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:49:17am |
I think I just witnessed one of the indicators of the fall of Western Civilization. I had the Today show on as background noise and they just had the two brothers that did that “What does the Fox Say” song/video. And a bunch of people were really getting into it, with some of the Today show staffers singing along with their little fox (dog) noses on.
Really? God Morning TV has really gone off the cliff. I used to like the Today show. It has gotten sillier over the years, but the Comcast buyout of NBC doesn’t seem to have helped…at all. Maybe made it all worse.
By the way, sorry to bring this up in a thread about a real live talented musician. This is no way to start a weekend.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:53:14am |
From county chairmen to national party luminaries, veteran Republicans across the country are accusing tea party lawmakers of staining the GOP with their refusal to bend in the budget impasse in Washington.The Republican establishment also is signaling a willingness to strike back at the tea party in next fall’s elections.
“It’s time for someone to act like a grown-up in this process,” former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu argues, faulting Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and tea party Republicans in the House as much as President Barack Obama for taking an uncompromising stance.
Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour is just as pointed, saying this about the tea party-fueled refusal to support spending measures that include money for Obama’s health care law: “It never had a chance.”
Fight! Fight! Fight!
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:53:15am |
re: #381 ObserverArt
I think I just witnessed one of the indicators of the fall of Western Civilization. I had the Today show on as background noise and they just had the two brothers that did that “What does the Fox Say” song/video. And a bunch of people were really getting into it, with some of the Today show staffers singing along with their little fox (dog) noses on.
Really? God Morning TV has really gone off the cliff. I used to like the Today show. It has gotten sillier over the years, but the Comcast buyout of NBC doesn’t seem to have helped…at all. Maybe made it all worse.
By the way, sorry to bring this up in a thread about a real live talented musician. This is no way to start a weekend.
Internet virality is an end in itself.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:53:20am |
re: #381 ObserverArt
I think I just witnessed one of the indicators of the fall of Western Civilization. I had the Today show on as background noise and they just had the two brothers that did that “What does the Fox Say” song/video. And a bunch of people were really getting into it, with some of the Today show staffers singing along with their little fox (dog) noses on.
The fall will be complete when Miley Cyrus covers that song.
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wheat-dogghazi Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:54:27am |
re: #384 Vicious Babushka
The fall will be complete when Miley Cyrus covers that song.
Wearing only a fox tail and nose
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Targetpractice Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:54:32am |
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darthstar Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:56:25am |
@joshtpm I find the name “Values Voters Summit” to be hilarious. Bunch of self-righteous Jesus freaks, pricks and bigots. Some values.— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 11, 2013
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:56:41am |
“@smalgov: And so it begins! - image from the South Carolina #T2SDA FB page pic.twitter.com/RotDQUBdR3”— Mary Margaret Bruner (@MMxBruner) October 11, 2013
Ahem. Right…
2013 Make-A-Wish truck convoy: 16 heartwarming pictures
Image: Truck_Convoy_11_640.jpg
Spectators wave to northbound truckers during the Make-A-Wish truck convoy Sunday afternoon.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:59:09am |
If you rely on Twitter for anything other than reports on what your friends ate for lunch/dinner, then you deserve all the misinformation you get
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b.d. Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:59:27am |
So does Obama wins his second Nobel Peace Prize vicariously?
MORE: Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons wins this year's Nobel Peace Prize: http://t.co/i1vDHqRgwF -KM
— The Associated Press (@AP) October 11, 2013
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 5:59:48am |
Morning Jerk giving Billy Graham’s grandson, Tullian Tchividjian, advertising space to shill his book.
Keeping the family business going for the third generation now.
These people don’t consider themselves mere humans, they are divine, as in the statement made by Tullian Tchividjian that Billy Graham has no flaws, that he has no “moral” scandals in his background. There are people in the mountains up around Montreat, NC who would disagree with this assessment. They know how he initially, and still today, made his money from the poor and ignorant. I personally remember BG when he was still a street/tent preacher and condemning all of us to eternal damnation. His message and methods haven’t changed, they’ve just been cleaned up a little bit.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:00:31am |
re: #389 Gus
Ahem. Right…
Using photos from a completely different event. SOP. They did the same with the “Million Bikers”
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:00:37am |
re: #392 Sol Berdinowitz
There’s also awesomesauce there:
In terms of Batman villains, the House GOP has gone from Nolan’s Joker to Burgess Meredith’s Penguin in just a week.— Jamelle Bouie (@jbouie) October 11, 2013
Nothing makes John Boehner cry more than the moment in “Die Hard” when Alan Rickman's hostage-taking scheme fails.
— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) October 9, 2013
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lawhawk Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:01:43am |
If you had to go to work today, you’re already among the millions of people who know that hard work and dedication counts more than posturing, preening, and posing for cameras against a backdrop of a closed monument to your own stupidity.
That’s right, by your act of commuting, you’re doing more than the GOP in Congress has done in shutting down government. The GOP hissy fit as compared to your hard work shows that the GOP cannot be allowed to have control over Congress, or the White House because their sole strategy since 2009 has been to obstruct and defeat Obama, and destroy any legislation he championed, including the very kind of policies that they once claimed would be the salvation to soaring health care costs - the individual mandate and RomneyCare.
Speaker Boehner takes credit for the shutdown by admitting that he had a deal in place with the Senate on a budget, but blew it off because he and the Tea Party decided that they’d shut down government, threaten default, and cause economic chaos to demand that Obamacare be repealed, delayed, or otherwise destroyed.
They had a zero percent chance of success, but dove headlong into a shutdown with no exit strategy or any strategy other than shutting down government for its own sake. This satisfies the nihilistic wing of the GOP, who consider government an affront in and of itself. Their glee comes at the expense of your economic wellbeing. Now, they’re brushing off criticism that the debt ceiling default would be a mere trifle, all while attempting to use it as a threat.
The GOP simply isn’t serious about any of this. They have no leverage, especially when Democrats stand together and tell them that they’re not going to succumb to negotiate with extortionists. Republicans attempted to pivot to make this about spending, but if that were the case, they had a handshake deal that would have cut spending by $70 billion over what the Senate had proposed.
The shutdown isn’t stopping government spending. It is costing, however, because of lost revenues (all levels) due to lack of business opportunities.
It’s why some states that are heavily dependent on national park visitors are looking to reopen them with state funds. It’s a crummy situation, but instead of trying to weasel a workaround, they should be demanding the GOP stand down and come in off the ledge, or push off those who brought them to this point. They’re unwilling and/or incapable of doing so since these are the very Republicans they sent to Congress in the first place. It’s their own who created the shutdown and the shutdown is all on them. The economic impacts are directly tied to the Republican insistence on chopping the ACA to bits.
They failed. It’s time for the adults in the room to put the GOP in the corner for a well-deserved time-out.
Or to use a sports phrase: personal foul on the GOP - giving the nation the business.
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darthstar Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:03:30am |
@Gus_802 It's a CONVOY Rubber Duck! http://t.co/F3E0Y4wVtZ— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 11, 2013
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Targetpractice Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:03:49am |
Well, this is encouraging. Costa saying that the talk is picking up amongst House GOP rank and file that they may have to agree to a clean CR to get anywhere in talks.
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:03:50am |
House GOP: shutdown the government
Tea Party Trucker Protest: shutdown the government
Anarchists: shutdown the government
Libertarians: shutdown the government
Sovereign Citizens: shutdown the government
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Amory Blaine Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:06:01am |
re: #393 b.d.
He’s battling the House with one hand behind his back.
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:07:30am |
re: #399 Targetpractice
Well, this is encouraging. Costa saying that the talk is picking up amongst House GOP rank and file that they may have to agree to a clean CR to get anywhere in talks.
That is encouraging. They’ve started to realize that their strategy has failed utterly.
I wonder if the TP’ers will now actively begin the process of creating a third party? A Tea Party, or whatever other name they decide on?
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Targetpractice Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:08:57am |
re: #402 Dr Lizardo
That is encouraging. They’ve started to realize that their strategy has failed utterly.
I wonder if the TP’ers will now actively begin the process of creating a third party? A Tea Party, or whatever other name they decide on?
I think, at least in the short term, they’re going to do what they do best: Actively try to press the GOP leadership into “holding the line” and, if that fails, simply refuse to support the bills. That’s going to force Boehner’s hand, especially when he’s got the real chance for talks to begin.
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darthstar Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:09:37am |
re: #399 Targetpractice
Well, this is encouraging. Costa saying that the talk is picking up amongst House GOP rank and file that they may have to agree to a clean CR to get anywhere in talks.
They still haven’t tried holding their breath.
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:11:11am |
re: #403 Targetpractice
I think, at least in the short term, they’re going to do what they do best: Actively try to press the GOP leadership into “holding the line” and, if that fails, simply refuse to support the bills. That’s going to force Boehner’s hand, especially when he’s got the real chance for talks to begin.
Most likely, in the immediate term. But if and when Speaker Boehner finally realizes, along with the GOP leadership, that the only way out is a suspension of the ‘Hastert Rule’ and a clean vote, that could be the decisive break between the TP’ers and the rest of the GOP.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:11:45am |
.@steve0423 This photo was taken in Australia in 2008. #T2SDA http://t.co/uWuHGhlJhi #UniteBlue #lnyhbt #tcot— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) October 11, 2013
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:13:32am |
re: #406 Vicious Babushka
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It’s rather humorous, and simultaneously pathetic, to see how far these folks will go to create a reality that is acceptable to them.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:14:24am |
re: #399 Targetpractice
Well, this is encouraging. Costa saying that the talk is picking up amongst House GOP rank and file that they may have to agree to a clean CR to get anywhere in talks.
Oh man, the carnage if that goes down. JimRob at FR will personally shit a dozen feral cats. Sarah Palin’s spleen will grow three sizes as she vomits her acidic fury all over the intertubes.
Begun, the gop wars have.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:14:38am |
By the way, Russia is close to (another) economic collapse.
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:15:01am |
re: #409 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
By the way, Russia is close to (another) economic collapse.
How so?
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:17:19am |
re: #408 goddamnedfrank
Oh man, the carnage if that goes down. JimRob at FR will personally shit a dozen feral cats. Sarah Palin’s spleen will grow three sizes as she vomits her acidic fury all over the intertubes.
Begun, the gop wars have.
Heh. Totally; the TP’ers and their sympathizers on the Right will go absolutely head-spinning, frothing-at-the-mouth berserk.
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Targetpractice Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:17:21am |
re: #408 goddamnedfrank
Oh man, the carnage if that goes down. JimRob at FR will personally shit a dozen feral cats. Sarah Palin’s spleen will grow three sizes as she vomits her acidic fury all over the intertubes.
Begun, the gop wars have.
Erickson’s sounding like some Confederate dead-ender, declaring that no matter how bad the numbers look, no matter how badly the GOP is being savaged, don’t stop fighting! We can still win if we just hold out a little longer!
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b.d. Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:18:25am |
Can us liberals form some nonexistent mass spontaneous rally where all of us just tweet stock photos of something similar all day?
I suggest a Skid your car on an Icy Overpass for Liberty Day or Dress up your Pet for Freedom Day?
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:18:29am |
re: #412 Targetpractice
Erickson’s sounding like some Confederate dead-ender, declaring that no matter how bad the numbers look, no matter how badly the GOP is being savaged, don’t stop fighting! We can still win if we just hold out a little longer!
If he really believes that, and he’s not just spewing out propaganda to keep the base motivated, then he’s hopelessly delusional.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:18:36am |
re: #410 Dr Lizardo
How so?
They just released a new government budget with broad cuts. Since stuff is pretty close to the bone already, this basically means being a teacher, cop, etc. results in an unlivable salary.* Right now, all that’s keeping this going is corruption—teacher’s taking bribes for good grades/excusing absences, cops ticketing the fuck out of everyone and taking the money—but after a certain point, that can’t work because the cop can’t get the money out of the teacher he stopped and can’t pay the money to the teacher to pass his kid through school. Corruption is efficient at first, and then wickedly inefficient.
Meanwhile, Putin and his cronies are doing vanity-projects Soviet style: the Olympic games are going to cost a shitload of money for very little return, especially since a lot of normal Olympic tourists have no desire to go to such a dangerous country. They’re also going to have to spend massively to prevent terrorism during the games or right-wing riots against all the foreigners, unless they just let them happen, which would have severe international consequences.
So stuff is probably going to actually break down in Russia and sadly what I expect to see emerge is even purer right-wing nationalism with even the trappings of democracy dropped.
*private jobs are also stagnant, because, heh, private jobs depend on a competent, non-corrupt government to thrive.
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b.d. Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:19:00am |
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:20:51am |
re: #410 Dr Lizardo
How so?
Here’s an assessment from Economic Development Minister Alexei Ulyukayev back in August, so you can probably assume it’s worse.
MOSCOW, August 12 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian economy will avoid a recession but is in a period of stagnation caused by high levels of social spending and structural problems, Russia’s top economic official said in an interview published by Kommersant newspaper Monday.
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:21:08am |
Teabagger truckers gather to protest negro president. Film at 11.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:21:35am |
One of the things we don’t value nearly enough here in the US, don’t celebrate the way we should, is the incredible lack of low-level corruption in our government workers. Finding a postman in Russia who will give you someone else’s mail is pretty easy. Finding the same in the US is nearly impossible, and not because the jail sentences are super-long, it’s mostly because of the culture of governmental responsibility we have.
We’re so fucking spoiled.
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:22:15am |
re: #416 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
They just released a new government budget with broad cuts. Since stuff is pretty close to the bone already, this basically means being a teacher, cop, etc. results in an unlivable salary. Right now, all that’s keeping this going is corruption—teacher’s taking bribes for good grades/excusing absences, cops ticketing the fuck out of everyone and taking the money—but after a certain point, that can’t work because the cop can’t get the money out of the teacher he stopped and can’t pay the money to the teacher to pass his kid through school. Corruption is efficient at first, and then wickedly inefficient.
Meanwhile, Putin and his cronies are doing vanity-projects Soviet style: the Olympic games are going to cost a shitload of money for very little return, especially since a lot of normal Olympic tourists have no desire to go to such a dangerous country. They’re also going to have to spend massively to prevent terrorism during the games or right-wing riots against all the foreigners, unless they just let them happen, which would have severe international consequences.
So stuff is probably going to actually break down in Russia and sadly what I expect to see emerge is even purer right-wing nationalism with even the trappings of democracy dropped.
Ah, OK.
When I read the games were being held at Sochi, I did a mental double-take; that’s an old summer resort on the Black Sea. Granted, they do have winter there, but it seemed like such a bizarre choice. I have read that the preparations for Sochi are still ongoing, and I have a feeling these Winter Games are not going to be the triumph Putin, et al, think they will be.
Sounds like Russia is in dire shape, yet again, and I agree that next time, even the pretense of democracy - already laughable as it is - may well be dispensed with entirely.
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b.d. Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:22:21am |
re: #408 goddamnedfrank
Oh man, the carnage if that goes down. JimRob at FR will personally shit a dozen feral cats. Sarah Palin’s spleen will grow three sizes as she vomits her acidic fury all over the intertubes.
Begun, the gop wars have.
I think JimRob is out of action now after getting having his government paid for health care remove his other leg last week.
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:22:37am |
re: #418 Justanotherhuman
Here’s an assessment from Economic Development Minister Alexei Ulyukayev back in August, so you can probably assume it’s worse.
MOSCOW, August 12 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian economy will avoid a recession but is in a period of stagnation caused by high levels of social spending and structural problems, Russia’s top economic official said in an interview published by Kommersant newspaper Monday.
Thanks.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:26:51am |
re: #418 Justanotherhuman
I don’t know anything about that guy, but if he was appointed by Putin he’s probably a corrupt asshole.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:26:59am |
re: #396 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
There’s also awesomesauce there:
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that is opinion, not information
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wheat-dogghazi Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:27:56am |
re: #416 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
During my travels in Thailand, I picked up an interesting book, entitled World . Wide. Web. It’s not about the web we are using right now, but the growing web of Chinese immigrants and “soft” expansion all over the world. Part of the book is devoted to the influx of Chinese into Russia’s far east. Basically, Moscow and the Russian mob are losing influence there, being replaced politically and economically by Chinese. Locals in the Russian far east are not getting their products legally or illegally from China. Since the products are usually better and much closer than anything European Russia can offer, that part of Russia is gradually becoming part of China’s economic sphere.
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lawhawk Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:28:13am |
re: #416 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
The Sochi games may well be remembered in the way that the Sarajevo Games are - a peak moment for national pride. Because underneath all that is a rotten to the core socio-political structure coming apart at the seams.
The corruption is endemic, and it’s one of the reasons that everyone has dash-cams. The economy is being goosed in the same way that the Chinese have done, but the Games are being held in a place that few will visit after the Games and all that money thrown to build the venues will be for naught.
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:29:32am |
Eyeball report: no eye infection but swelling so I got a free sample of corticosteroid drops. He said it should clear in a couple of days… call on Monday if otherwise.
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darthstar Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:29:47am |
This whole trucker protest thing is getting crazy! Here's one going through the White House! pic.twitter.com/izJn34liRQ— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 11, 2013
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:29:57am |
re: #416 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Russia’s also burned nearly every bridge they have by bullying their immediate neighbors and gouging former Soviet client states on gas prices. The naked bigotry and civil rights violations have turned off almost all of Europe and the Magnitsky debacle illustrated the vast scope of their kleptocracy in an undeniable way.
Far, far fewer investors are going to look at them this time around as a worthwhile risk. Expect their massive brain drain to only exacerbate.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:29:58am |
re: #416 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
They are falling back to the old Soviet approach of selling natural resources off cheap to finance consumer goods.
It works as long as oil and other raw materials prices are high, but when the rest of the world economy dips, they get a serious kick in the shins.
And yes, no normal company is going to try to do serious business in such a corrupt nation. They want to be able to plan and predict their return on investment over the long term and Russia is still not stable enough to allow them to do that.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:30:03am |
re: #425 Sol Berdinowitz
that is opinion, not information
Ah, well then if you’re being serious, NASA and tons of universities and scientific departments run really good twitter feeds with great scientific information.
And of course, the national weather service runs a timely and helpful twitter feed:
And horse e-books lets us know that Dada is dead, long live Dada.
This sounds like the beginning of a brutal experience, that I personally— Horse ebooks (@Horse_ebooks) September 19, 2013
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Ian G. Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:30:50am |
Mornin’ Lizards.
For all the talk of how the GOP styled themselves as Hans Gruber, this was always the best cinematic representation of their attempt at ending ACA:
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:30:55am |
re: #420 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
One of the things we don’t value nearly enough here in the US, don’t celebrate the way we should, is the incredible lack of low-level corruption in our government workers.
One of the reasons I came back to boring old Germany after a way-too-exciting time in Russia in the early 90’s
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b.d. Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:31:24am |
Because this is all about NSA overreach into the private lives of American citizens:
Glenn Greenwald to publish Snowden leaks on France and Spain
I look forward to people cussing Glenn out in other languages.
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lawhawk Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:31:50am |
Meanwhile, here in NJ, Gov. Christie’s latest attempt to stop a judge’s ruling that gay marriages will be legal in the state as of October 21, failed. The Gov’s going to keep fighting this, even if it’s a losing cause, because this is the last bastion of a so-con position if he has any hope of success in presidential primaries.
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darthstar Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:34:29am |
Sorry about the last post…apparently that picture came from the respected classic film, “Breaker! Breaker!” and my hopes that Chuck Norris will lead the convoy into town and stop Sherrif Obama will be unfulfilled.
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:35:02am |
re: #429 darthstar
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@darthstar99 Isn't that the White House of the Confederacy?— Gus (@Gus_802) October 11, 2013
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:36:45am |
Truck protest organizer says it's not about Democrats or Republicans but Obama's birth certificate. //— Gus (@Gus_802) October 11, 2013
Joke right?
10 minutes later I see this.
And the Truckers are birthers… List of demands to be delivered to Gohmert pic.twitter.com/bYJczRzZKK— F. Bill McMorris (@FBillMcMorris) October 11, 2013
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:37:00am |
Breaker One Nine this here’s the Rubber Duck!
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:37:44am |
Truckers gather in DC to protest against the War of Northern Aggression. //— Gus (@Gus_802) October 11, 2013
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:38:02am |
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:38:06am |
For you Lizards, here’s a great photo of the Confederate/Red States of America White House.
Seems like a nice, down home kinda place.
Heh.
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Flounder Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:38:36am |
re: #440 goddamnedfrank
god I hate that song. My nickname is pig pen tho..
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Dr. Matt Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:43:42am |
Trucker protest in full effect! #T2SDA pic.twitter.com/5ZybcuFCAr
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) October 11, 2013
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:44:04am |
re: #439 Gus
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Also, why Gohmert? That’s like going to Disneyland and demanding that Goofy read your manifesto.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:44:47am |
re: #443 Dr Lizardo
For you Lizards, here’s a great photo of the Confederate/Red States of America White House.
Seems like a nice, down home kinda place.
Heh.
To many, this house says “rugged individualism and self-reliance”. To others it says “major building, health and fire code violations”.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:45:10am |
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:46:26am |
And stop posting these old a$$ pics. NEWSFLASH: Its dark and storming over ALL of MD today. Nobody is buying the bright sunny pics #T2SDA— Sylvar Firestorm (@SylvarFirestorm) October 11, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:47:30am |
#T2SDA Truckers who hate government somehow fail to see irony in depending on Interstate Highway System for entire livelihood— Ann Boobus (@a_girl_irl) October 8, 2013
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Dr. Matt Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:47:51am |
re: #449 goddamnedfrank
I feel so sorry for that driver’s pants.
I feel sorry for this driver’s wife:
#T2SDA Truckers. The Other White Meat. pic.twitter.com/NnxE9cuui3
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) October 11, 2013
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:48:58am |
re: #448 Sol Berdinowitz
To many, this house says “rugged individualism and self-reliance”. To others it says “major building, health and fire code violations”.
To me, it says “degenerate squalor, isolation and backwardness”. But that’s just me. I grew up in Pasadena, CA where things are a tad more urbanized.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:49:26am |
3 Trucks.
Count ‘em.
#T2SDA trucks with US flags on side on Inner loop of beltway in three right lanes pic.twitter.com/077p4lcl6t— Bri Carter (@ABC7Bri) October 11, 2013
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BongCrodny Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:49:49am |
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:50:02am |
Truck spotted headed for DC protest, “Truckers for the Constitution.” pic.twitter.com/xSipxTCmdO— Gus (@Gus_802) October 11, 2013
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darthstar Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:50:06am |
re: #452 Dr. Matt
I feel sorry for this driver’s wife:
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I feel sorry for his penis, which never sees the light of day.
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Mattand Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:50:40am |
re: #455 BongCrodny
Yeah, we got a mighty convoy
Derpin’ through the night
I might still have that on a 45 somewhere.
Christ, I’m old.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:51:25am |
re: #452 Dr. Matt
I feel sorry for this driver’s wife:
That IS the driver’s wife. She’ll be fine once the triplets are delivered.
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Mattand Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:52:20am |
re: #452 Dr. Matt
I feel sorry for this driver’s wife:
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Honestly, that may be a medical condition that guy is struggling with. I’m a little sensitive to that, as the better half has a hypothyroid and losing weight is tough.
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:54:02am |
re: #445 Flounder
Looks like upstate NY.
There was a quote by H.P. Lovecraft about rural areas in New England in “The Dunwich Horror”:
In our sensible age—since the Dunwich horror of 1928 was hushed up by those who had the town’s and the world’s welfare at heart—people shun it without knowing exactly why. Perhaps one reason—though it cannot apply to uninformed strangers—is that the natives are now repellently decadent, having gone far along that path of retrogression so common in many New England backwaters. They have come to form a race by themselves, with the well-defined mental and physical stigmata of degeneracy and inbreeding. The average of their intelligence is woefully low, whilst their annals reek of overt viciousness and of half-hidden murders, incests, and deeds of almost unnamable violence and perversity. The old gentry, representing the two or three armigerous families which came from Salem in 1692, have kept somewhat above the general level of decay; though many branches are sunk into the sordid populace so deeply that only their names remain as a key to the origin they disgrace. Some of the Whateleys and Bishops still send their eldest sons to Harvard and Miskatonic, though those sons seldom return to the mouldering gambrel roofs under which they and their ancestors were born.
So I guess it’s not just confined to the South. Heh.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:54:28am |
Want to piss off people who have no control over Congress and the President? Fuck with their work commute! #T2SDA— Raptor Jesus (@madrugadita) October 11, 2013
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Mattand Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:54:58am |
Establishment GOPers Assail Tea Party On Shutdown
Maybe I was wrong about that whole “GOP civil war ain’t gonna happen.”
Then again, I know so many people who are blaming Obama as much (if not more) than the House GOP, I’m not really sure if it’ll make a difference. A year from now, they’ll vote GOP like they always have.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:55:33am |
Prudence joins the mirthful Derp by Tweeting the bogus Make-A-Wish photo.
SWEEEEEEEEEET!!!! @PJStrikeForce UPDATE ” #T2SDA - And so it BEGINS.!! pic.twitter.com/dgRe2ScucO - #Trucker2DC #TruckersForTheConstitution— Prudence (@dennygirltwo) October 11, 2013
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darthstar Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:55:34am |
#T2SDA - have they found Kris Kristofferson yet? Sherrif's got him in the jail! Can't be good! Uh-oh…song time! http://t.co/xv4kt9JpQO— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 11, 2013
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:56:00am |
OK. It suddenly appears that I’m following some wingnut.
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b.d. Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:58:02am |
Have they started tweeting the picture of the truck driver with his pet chimp?
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:59:01am |
Truck spotted headed for DC protest: pic.twitter.com/uS5LBJ9C2v— Gus (@Gus_802) October 11, 2013
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BongCrodny Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:59:24am |
re: #458 Mattand
I might still have that on a 45 somewhere.
Christ, I’m old.
I, uh…I bought that one also.
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lawhawk Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:59:26am |
And how do we know that any of the trucks driving around DC in the storms and bad weather are actually participating in this supposed protest drive?
We don’t.
More to the point, if these folks are that hard up for money, are they that willing to drive and expend that much gas on something that they should know will have little to no impact on what’s happening in Congress, let alone bring about impeachment or arrests of the President?
These nutters are well, nutty.
And they’ve already been trumped by the TP/GOP in Congress, since they shut down government to protest Obamacare and demanding its repeal, delay, or defunding, even though they had zero chance of ever seeing that happen.
This is what happens when Senator Blutarsky is elected to Congress. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life (or Congress). But the TP/GOP embraced the stupid so completely that they’ve got no way out.
But here’s the thing, they think that delaying the debt ceiling default for a couple of weeks will give them time to find new leverage.
The default isn’t leverage. Neither is the shutdown. It’s an economic catastrophe that everyone except these extremists think would happen. It’s extortion, and the GOP has been using both as leverage - even though the Speaker has admitted the default wasn’t. He adopted his extortionist wing’s position that it was leverage, so we’re in this mess. And the only way out is for the GOP to come hat in hand to Democrats.
If you’re a D oppo-researcher or media person, I’d be cutting up all the GOP soundbites about how they made the shutdown happen and how they were doing this despite knowing they had no chance at success for the ads next year - and into 2016. There’s so much rich material to use against the GOP that Democrats should have a good shot at winning back the House courtesy of the extortionists in the GOP.
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darthstar Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:59:31am |
MOAR TRUX!! #T2SDA http://t.co/JDIATtSuDU— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 11, 2013
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Mattand Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:00:06am |
re: #465 Vicious Babushka
That image is from the May 2013 Make-A-Wish Truck Rally in Lancaster, PA.
Prudence is a liar; color me shocked.
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:00:18am |
Cruz gets second heckler at #VVS13, calls them “Obama's paid political operatives.”— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) October 11, 2013
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darthstar Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:00:31am |
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:00:47am |
And the room has completely devolved…Cruz just standing there. #VVS13— Adam Peck (@AdamReports) October 11, 2013
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:01:41am |
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Amory Blaine Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:01:48am |
This week buried in my stuff I found Pink Floyd Animals and 2 Alan Parsons records in my stuff. Alas the Animals album was missing. I’m thinking of somehow decoupaging the album cover onto my music stand.
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b.d. Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:04:44am |
re: #472 lawhawk
Great point. How many trucks are on DC roads on any particular given day? Now anything bigger than a Suburban spotted on any road will be PROOF! of participation.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:05:02am |
Glad I didn’t plan on going to D.C tonight. This truckers sound like thugs.
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:05:03am |
re: #480 Vicious Babushka
Trafficland.com DC webcams are down.
BARRYCADE OBUMMER TUK THEM DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!
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Amory Blaine Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:05:03am |
re: #480 Vicious Babushka
Obama’s trying to hide the zillions of truckers coming in!!!!!
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:05:19am |
Can’t believe MSNBC is giving airtime to a traitor like Ted Cruz who is whipping up resentment and anger toward Pres Obama, saying things like “Obama is scared” and making those idiots think they have a steamroller “movement”.
“They (whoever “they” is) fear you.
Obviously, Cruz is the propagandist for the Reactionary Idiot Party.
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Mattand Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:05:51am |
re: #454 Vicious Babushka
3 Trucks.
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Now that I think about it, big rigs in the left lane is illegal in most states. I’m sure the cops could easily cite these guys for not staying right.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:06:06am |
re: #481 b.d.
Great point. How many trucks are on DC roads on any particular given day? Now anything bigger than a Suburban spotted on any road will be PROOF! of participation.
Not an incredible amount but there’s always some construction going on.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:06:57am |
re: #474 Mattand
That image is from the May 2013 Make-A-Wish Truck Rally in Lancaster, PA.
Prudence is a liar; color me shocked.
That is the most popular image today on the #T2SDA tag, all the wingnuts are reTweeting it. BTW it did not originate with Prudence.
Trafficland.com DC webcams are back up, TEH NSA HAS WIPED ALL TEH TRUCKS FROM TEH TRAFFIC CAMS!!!11!!!!!!
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BongCrodny Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:07:53am |
Apparently this thread is in danger of evolving/devolving trucking song thread.
Go with the flow, I always say.
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Mattand Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:09:03am |
re: #488 Vicious Babushka
That is the most popular image today on the #T2SDA tag, all the wingnuts are reTweeting it. BTW it did not originate with Prudence.
Trafficland.com DC webcams are back up, TEH NSA HAS WIPED ALL TEH TRUCKS FROM TEH TRAFFIC CAMS!!!11!!!!!!
Crap, forgot to hashtag that. Oh, well. It’s not like they give a shit about facts.
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:10:24am |
Will the FEMA camps have their own health care exchanges or do I still have to buy it at the state level? http://t.co/K9SHweilDA— Max Fisher (@Max_Fisher) October 11, 2013
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:10:25am |
Ted Cruz is a sorry excuse for a US Senator, a US citizen and a US human being.
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Targetpractice Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:10:47am |
Ted Cruz: “Look the Democrats are feeling the heat.” Democrats: “More please. More.”— michaelscherer (@michaelscherer) October 11, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:11:27am |
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wheat-dogghazi Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:12:15am |
re: #492 Gus
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Texas address for the organization that sent the original out. Figures.
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Amory Blaine Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:12:35am |
If they close the FEMA camps I’ll be pissed.
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b.d. Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:12:38am |
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:12:41am |
Oh good. Rand Paul's speech at #VVS13 is going to be all about how there is a “worldwide war on Christians.”— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) October 11, 2013
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:12:57am |
Cruz is such a nut that KEn Cuccinneli thought it would be in his interests not to be shown with him. The guy who defends his running mate who thinks PP is worse than the KKK is distancing himself from you Ted. That should tell you something but keep on trucking big fella.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:13:42am |
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:15:15am |
Where’s Freetoken?
.@SenTedCruz tells #VVS13 crowd to “be like Esther” Here's @sarahposner on the Esther story: http://t.co/9vYqEkvLcS— addiestan (@addiestan) October 11, 2013
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BongCrodny Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:15:59am |
re: #498 Amory Blaine
If they close the FEMA camps I’ll be pissed.
Do they have campfires and paintball? if so, sign me up too.
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Amory Blaine Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:16:09am |
Looks like the Eisenhower connector is backed up.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:16:32am |
#T2SDA must be trending, the spambots have arrived.
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:16:39am |
Here Are the Demands of Truckers for the Constitution
Doswell, Va. - Zeeda Andrews of Truckers for the Constitution just gave press a list of five demands that the group plans to deliver to Representative Louie Gohmert (R., Texas). The document begins by suggesting that “Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Obama” is ineligible to be president because “his documents” are “forgeries”. Here’s that paragraph:
From 2003 to 2008, several members of Congress introduced legislation, attempting to change Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution on eight separate occasions to make it possible for Barack Obama to meet the eligibility requirements for the office of president. Of which, a legal investigation has proven that his documents provided are forgeries, which is a felony offense.
Continues.
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b.d. Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:16:40am |
Make sure your fake pictures include some rain patriots!!
ok…its raining in DC so anyone posting pics of a sunny day ..stop and post real pics! Message should be real #TruckersForTheConstitution
— Chris Marceron (@cmarceron) October 11, 2013
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:18:53am |
re: #507 Gus
Here Are the Demands of Truckers for the Constitution
Yeah so this is just birther nonsense. Oh and their organizer thinks OBL and President Obama are the same person because in her words they’re both left handed, have the same height, same bone structure, ears, and nose. Yeah Obama being five inches shorter than OBL means nothing. These guys are even more nuts than the 9/11 truth movement.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:19:51am |
re: #508 b.d.
Make sure your fake pictures include some rain patriots!!
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That they have to ask for this is honestly kind of sad.
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wheat-dogghazi Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:20:59am |
re: #510 HappyWarrior
Yeah so this is just birther nonsense. Oh and their organizer thinks OBL and President Obama are the same person because in her words they’re both left handed, have the same height, same bone structure, ears, and nose. Yeah Obama being five inches shorter than OBL means nothing. These guys are even more nuts than the 9/11 truth movement.
They must be getting legal advice from Orly Taitz.
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:21:07am |
re: #511 HappyWarrior
That they have to ask for this is honestly kind of sad.
Oh, fuck them and their racist hatred. They don’t deserve sympathy.
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:21:19am |
.@SenRandPaul: “We need to take a stand against anyone who wants to give aid to the Muslims.” #VVS13— Political Research (@PRAEyesRight) October 11, 2013
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:21:55am |
re: #511 HappyWarrior
That they have to ask for this is honestly kind of sad.
No, it shows the basic split in the Right Wing. There are those who are so convinced they possess a monopoly on Higher Truths that they do not feel compelled to resort to mere objective facts, even selectively applied ones…
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:22:31am |
re: #513 Justanotherhuman
Oh, fuck them and their racist hatred. They don’t deserve sympathy.
No, you misunderstand me, I think it’s sad as in pathetic that they have to ask people not to post sunny day photos. Shows how fucked up they are.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:24:19am |
re: #516 HappyWarrior
No, you misunderstand me, I think it’s sad as in pathetic that they have to ask people not to post sunny day photos. Shows how fucked up they are.
But wingnuts keep posting them anyway. What a clusterfuck of fail.
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wheat-dogghazi Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:24:50am |
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:27:22am |
FAIL
#T2SDA AWESOME PICTURE FROM THE TRUCKERS RIDE TO DC…. http://t.co/SgQIAGMrgb— 100% FED Up! (@100percFEDUpmom) October 11, 2013
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HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:27:28am |
re: #517 Vicious Babushka
But wingnuts keep posting them anyway. What a clusterfuck of fail.
Well yeah, it’s as I said pathetic heh.
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:30:40am |
So once again the GOP presidential front runners are speaking at the Value Voter hate weirdos summit. Lots of Moozlamic Ray Guns fear speech already.
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:32:20am |
911 caller in Saskatchewan told to 'go back to Montreal' by fire chief http://t.co/omlH3xoPQt— CTV National News (@CTVNationalNews) October 11, 2013
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wheat-dogghazi Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:33:23am |
re: #520 HappyWarrior
Well yeah, it’s as I said pathetic heh.
It’s the visual equivalent of fake quotes. “Well, a truck is a truck, and they’d be there anyway!”
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:35:18am |
re: #523 wheat-dogghazi
It’s the visual equivalent of fake quotes. “Well, a truck is a truck, and they’d be there anyway!”
That’s what I mean about Higher Truths.
Higher Truth is that Obama is a Muslim Socialist Kenyan Manchurian Candidate Tyrant Interloper
Anything that reinforces that Higher Truth is acceptable and will be taken as Chapter and Verse by True Believers
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Lidane Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:40:30am |
Please proceed:
Sen. Cruz: House Needs To Keep 'Standing Strong' On Defunding Obamacare http://t.co/MpgMcUsCXH— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) October 11, 2013
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:42:03am |
re: #525 Lidane
Please proceed:
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BANZAI!!1!
These fools are determined to commit political suicide. Very well; let them.
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wheat-dogghazi Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:44:43am |
re: #527 b.d.
US House to Cruz, Thanks a lot.
Easy for Cruz to say. His election is five years from now. Representatives face election in just one.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:44:48am |
re: #526 Dr Lizardo
BEN
ANGHAZAI!!1!Do not confuse the war cry of a doomed, medieval code of honor with that of a bunch of ideological clusterf*ckers
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:45:35am |
Ted Cruz - Texas
Rand Paul - Kentucky
Marco Rubio - Florida…
See the pattern?
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makeitstop Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:46:09am |
re: #526 Dr Lizardo
BANZAI!!1!
These fools are determined to commit political suicide. Very well; let them.
It truly is an amazing thing to watch, isn’t it?
Talk about believing your own hype.
Fuckin’ nihilists.
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Lidane Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:46:21am |
Keepin’ it classy:
.@BrentBozell: “President Obama looks like a skinny ghetto crackhead.” #VVS13 #ChristianLove— JoeMyGod (@JoeMyGod) October 11, 2013
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Justanotherhuman Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:46:41am |
Jesusfuckingchrist, Al Qaeda couldn’t do a better job of destroying the US than the TP/GOP, traitors like Snowden, and all the fucking libertarian dudebros who think they’re smarter and know more than anyone else in this country while, at the same time, wouldn’t know ethics if it bit them in the ass.
All this is putting me in such a mood, I’m yelling at the damned computer. I’m not interested in a totally restrictive govt, nor in a reactionary one, either. Govt is necessary, and it’s powers are best derived in a democratic republic, not a free for all atmosphere where anything goes, and it’s dog eat dog, where there are few laws, few regulations, and we’re reduced to a primitive, bare-bones existence in which people prey on one another and profits rule over everything else.
WTF is wrong with people that they can’t see this, and what the agenda is from those types?
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:46:48am |
re: #530 Gus
Ted Cruz - Texas
Rand Paul - Kentucky
Marco Rubio - Florida…See the pattern?
Michelle Bachmann: Minnesota
No I don’t, it is more than just a southern thing…
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:47:16am |
re: #534 Sol Berdinowitz
Michelle Bachmann: Minnesota
No I don’t, it is more than just a southern thing…
Jefferson Davis is speaking next #VVS13— Sid (@ze_teacher) October 11, 2013
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Gus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:48:44am |
re: #534 Sol Berdinowitz
Michelle Bachmann: Minnesota
No I don’t, it is more than just a southern thing…
Last I checked Bachmann is on her way out and not a front runner for 2016.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:51:10am |
re: #532 Lidane
Keepin’ it classy:
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Bozell is just annoyed because the laundry couldn’t remove the skidmarks from when he shit his Klan robes when Obama won reelection.
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Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:51:32am |
re: #531 makeitstop
It truly is an amazing thing to watch, isn’t it?
Talk about believing your own hype.
Fuckin’ nihilists.
They do believe it. It’s breathtaking to see, to be honest. Aside from epistemic closure, I can’t think of another term to describe it. Perhaps “delusional”.
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GlutenFreeJesus Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:51:49am |
re: #519 Vicious Babushka
FAIL
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Logged I to Twitter after months just to reply to that. lol
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:52:40am |
re: #535 Gus
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@ze_teacher Jefferson Davis was too mature to be acceptable to postmodern wingnuts. He'd call their plans insane and they'd hate him.
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) October 11, 2013
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:59:45am |
re: #529 Sol Berdinowitz
Still, you make an analogy, featuring Barack Obama as a black Marine on Peleiu in 1944, scything the attacking Japanese down with a BAR.
Note: Losses in the 1st Marine Division during that battle were so high that black Marines intended for use as support troops but still organized into platoons were sent forward for combat duty. Is at least one case they played a critical role in stopping just a such ‘Banzai’ counterattack. Very few of the white Marines who fought alongside them were racist towards black people thereafter, racism having been burned away in the crucible of combat.
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Lidane Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:09:53am |
Mark Levin: Obama & SCOTUS introducing tyranny #VVS13— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) October 11, 2013
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ObserverArt Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:10:37am |
re: #489 BongCrodny
Apparently this thread is in danger of evolving/devolving trucking song thread.
Go with the flow, I always say.
Mojo Nixon: “UFO’s, Big Rigs & BBQ”
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I have been saved! Thank You Bong. My morning had started off badly having witnessed the idiots with the stupid “What does the Fox Say” song on the Today show.
It has now been supplanted by Mojo Nixon. That is good medicine. I think I might just be able to revive my day.
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Lidane Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:10:40am |
Mark Levin: “America is a blue state right now” so we need to change the Constitution #VVS13— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) October 11, 2013
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ObserverArt Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:19:14am |
As a photoshop image manipulator I am saddened that these idiots are falling for images that haven’t even been altered to fit the need. Good joker graphics people are going to be put outta work!
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ObserverArt Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:24:21am |
re: #532 Lidane
Keepin’ it classy:
[ JoeMyGod @JoeMyGod.@BrentBozell: “President Obama looks like a skinny ghetto crackhead.” #VVS13 #ChristianLove
10:44 AM - 11 Oct 2013]
And Joe, you look like a fool that is trying too hard to be fashionable. Grow up, you can’t be 20 all your life.
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ObserverArt Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:28:29am |
re: #534 Sol Berdinowitz
Michelle Bachmann: Minnesota
No I don’t, it is more than just a southern thing…
This reminds me of a quip posted at a forum when I had mentioned I was running sound for a band that played in a bar in Monroe Michigan once, and they had the chicken wire covered stage to keep the flying beer bottles contained. My post was answered with a “Now you know how far north the south goes!”
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