CIA Dropped the Ball on Snowden

Sent Back to the US for Trying to Break Into Classified Files
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As investigators continue to delve into the weeks and months prior to Snowden’s defection with thousands of classified documents, a lot of critics of government contractors have argued that Booz Allen failed to pay attention to some very troubling warning signs when they hired him. It seems that the most visible warning signs never showed up because the CIA failed to report them.

WASHINGTON — Just as Edward J. Snowden was preparing to leave Geneva and a job as a C.I.A. technician in 2009, his supervisor wrote a derogatory report in his personnel file, noting a distinct change in the young man’s behavior and work habits, as well as a troubling suspicion.

The C.I.A. suspected that Mr. Snowden was trying to break into classified computer files to which he was not authorized to have access, and decided to send him home, according to two senior American officials.

But the red flags went unheeded. Mr. Snowden left the C.I.A. to become a contractor for the National Security Agency, and four years later he leaked thousands of classified documents. The supervisor’s cautionary note and the C.I.A.’s suspicions apparently were not forwarded to the N.S.A. or its contractors, and surfaced only after federal investigators began scrutinizing Mr. Snowden’s record once the documents began spilling out, intelligence and law enforcement officials said.

“It slipped through the cracks,” one veteran law enforcement official said of the report.

More: C.I.A. Warning on Snowden in ‘09 Said to Slip Through the Cracks

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292 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:47:33am

How are they supposed to protect us against terrorists if they cannot even protect themselves against nerdy computer geeks?

2 b.d.  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:54:30am

I demand more surveillance and further intensive gleaning of people’s online activities because of this.

//

3 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 7:58:33am

You see, he was not a government employee: they are bad because they come with messy things like unions, benefit packages and pension funds.

He was a Private Contractor. Private Secor. They are good because they are more efficient and save on costs, right?

4 Gus  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:01:49am

“Edward Joseph Snowden was born on June 21, 1983,[30] in Elizabeth City, North Carolina, and grew up in Wilmington, North Carolina…”

Hmm. The South will rise again! //

5 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:02:29am

In which I, Dr. Lizardo, shamelessly pimp my latest page here on LGF.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Actually, this is not good news, to be sure. The last thing the US needs is an epidemic of this nasty-ass drug spreading across the country.

6 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:02:50am

re: #3 Sol Berdinowitz

You see, he was not a government employee: they are bad because they come with messy things like unions, benefit packages and pension funds.

He was a Private Contractor. Private Secor. They are good because they are more efficient and save on costs, right?

Its not about government or private sector, its about people not doing their jobs. Booz Allen Hamilton is not without fault in this matter, but their failings were not the worst ones. The worst ones were those people who did not properly inform others that Snowden was up to no good.

7 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:04:53am

I’m getting a bit confused about Snowden’s employment timeline. Who was he working for in 2009? Dell? He would have been 25/26 in 2009. Dell is not talking, and I think it’s probably because this was the job he was doing for them.

What kind of work had he been doing before that time? So, from age 16 when he dropped out of HS (IIRC) with a few months at a comm college (or whatever he put on his resume as education), this guy has a very sketchy employment background.

Shouldn’t that have raised some red flags? It used to, just as lack of formal education used to.

8 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:07:28am

Ted cruz is convinced that the President sent hecklers to the VVS, talk about delusions of self importance.

9 b.d.  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:07:59am

Glenn wants his meal ticket closer to him.

The American journalist who broke the first stories about the National Security Agency’s global spying program told Brazilian senators Wednesday that Brazil should give asylum to National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden.

He told Brazilian senators that if they really want to better understand U.S. surveillance programs, they should push their government to provide political asylum to Snowden

Link

10 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:09:52am

Looks like Freedom Works, a Tea Party org, is in serious financial trouble. LOLOL.

The conservative activist group credited with building the tea party has turned into a nearly broke wingnut welfare slush fund, according to former staffers.

Sources told BuzzFeed that FreedomWorks was forced to take out a $1 million line of credit to keep extra cash on hand earlier this year.

The nonprofit organization raised more than $40 million last year but has taken in as little as $3 million so far this year, the site reported Friday, and staffers are reportedly fleeing the group as morale plummets.

rawstory.com

11 polisurgist  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:11:11am

My concern about NSA spying pales in comparison that NSA hires goobers like Snowden.

12 b.d.  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:11:38am

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

Looks like Freedom Works, a Tea Party org, is in serious financial trouble. LOLOL.

rawstory.com

Dick Armey was the link to cash flow and somewhat legitimacy, when he left the only guy left was that fellow with the scary sideburns.

13 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:12:05am

From the end of the article:

He later told The Guardian he was disappointed that President Obama “advanced the very policies that I thought would be reined in.”

From somewhere in the back of my head:

Any major dudebro with half a heart surely will tell you my friend
Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again
When the demon is at your door
In the morning it won’t be there no more
Any major dudebro will tell you

14 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:13:08am

re: #12 b.d.

Dick Armey was the link to cash flow and somewhat legitimacy, when he left the only guy left was that fellow with the scary sideburns.

Yes, and they’ve also been spending money on stupid shit as well; from the article:

But the group’s financial troubles were less related to raising money in an off-cycle year and had more to do with extravagant spending, including a craft beer bar in the office and $80,000 Las Vegas hotel bills, by FreedomWorks’ top-heavy management structure, sources said.

They also questioned the value in spending a reported $1 million a year to prop up Glenn Beck’s network, The Blaze.

Wingnut welfare ponzi scheme fail.

15 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:14:09am

Wingnuts are starting to realize that everybody is laughing at them.
However it is too late, the fake photo has entered the Derpstream.

16 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:16:39am

re: #8 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ted cruz is convinced that the President sent hecklers to the VVS, talk about delusions of self importance.

Can we please talk about Intelligence matters for an hour or so and leave the budget/debt issues alone for a short time? I am thoroughly sick and tired of hearing about Ted “Ten Gallon Asshat” Cruz.

17 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:18:16am

re: #13 wrenchwench

From the end of the article:

From somewhere in the back of my head:

Unlike Edward Snowden, Barack Obama chose to see terrorism as the very real problem it is.

18 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:19:29am

re: #8 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ted cruz is convinced that the President sent hecklers to the VVS, talk about delusions of self importance.

He really does fancy himself as the second coming of sliced bread, doesn’t he?

19 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:19:41am
But the red flags went unheeded. (…)

“It slipped through the cracks,” one veteran law enforcement official said of the report.

Isn’t the purpose of marking something with a red flag to make sure you see it before it gets near the cracks? What does ‘red flag’ mean to them?

I understand the definition has recently changed.

As a result of Mr. Snowden’s case, two law enforcement officials said, that flaw has since been corrected and such information is now being pushed forward.

20 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:21:59am
21 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:22:27am
He told Brazilian senators that if they really want to better understand U.S. surveillance programs, they should push their government to provide political asylum to Snowden

But he hasn’t shared any secrets with the Chinese or Russians.

Riiight.

22 b.d.  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:25:30am

re: #21 SnowdenBaggerVance

But he hasn’t shared any secrets with the Chinese or Russians.

Riiight.

Glenn isn’t above trying to blackmail anyone.

23 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:26:30am

re: #13 wrenchwench

From the end of the article:

From somewhere in the back of my head:

I love Steely Dan refs in the morning. :)

24 Interesting Times  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:27:22am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

Here is my son with Malala Yousafazi

Very cool! What was the story behind that? He attended an event where she spoke?

25 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:27:48am

re: #19 wrenchwench

Isn’t the purpose of marking something with a red flag to make sure you see it before it gets near the cracks? What does ‘red flag’ mean to them?

I understand the definition has recently changed.

Yeah, that’s what gets me, the situation was apparently serious enough to ship him back to the States from the job he was doing in Geneva, but wasn’t serious enough to pass the report on to other agencies when it came time to review his security clearance.

26 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:29:08am

re: #25 Targetpractice

Yeah, that’s what gets me, the situation was apparently serious enough to ship him back to the States from the job he was doing in Geneva, but wasn’t serious enough to pass the report on to other agencies when it came time to review his security clearance.

If the situation was so serious that he had to be sent back to the US, he should’ve been dismissed immediately.

27 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:30:55am

Holy crap everybody drives so fast in California. I’m going 60-65, feels fast to me, and people are blowing by me. Even the CHP. LOL.

28 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:31:35am

re: #8 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

And Mark Levin is having a temper tantrum:

29 bratwurst  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:32:17am

re: #27 SnowdenBaggerVance

Holy crap everybody drives so fast in California. I’m going 60-65, feels fast to me, and people are blowing by me. Even the CHP. LOL.

Maybe you wouldn’t have everyone blowing past you if you weren’t driving while posting on LGF!

30 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:32:40am

re: #24 Interesting Times

Very cool! What was the story behind that? He attended an event where she spoke?

Looks like.

31 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:33:14am

re: #27 SnowdenBaggerVance

Holy crap everybody drives so fast in California. I’m going 60-65, feels fast to me, and people are blowing by me. Even the CHP. LOL.

Not to mention, I drive a big ass van on a tropical island, and my rental is a Volvo S60. That thing hauls ass. Makes me feel like a teenager again.

32 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:33:26am

Wingnuts keep Tweeting that photo from the “Make-A-Wish” event. It has entered the viral Derpstream and can’t be recalled.

33 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:34:36am

re: #28 Lidane

And Mark Levin is having a temper tantrum:

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YEs Mark the president should shut up because we all want to hear you.// Got to love these value voters, Glenn Beck who recently suggested hitting kids is there too. Maybe they’ll have someone who advocates molesting kids next.// Exagerrating I concede but the only values the value voters summit attendees and speakers have is hate and contempt for anyone who doesn’t share their narrow minded view of America.

34 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:35:20am

re: #25 Targetpractice

Yeah, that’s what gets me, the situation was apparently serious enough to ship him back to the States from the job he was doing in Geneva, but wasn’t serious enough to pass the report on to other agencies when it came time to review his security clearance.

Those are (were, one would hope) some goddamned big cracks.

35 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:35:41am

When is Levin not having a tantrum? He’s an angry little man.

36 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:35:52am

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

Can we please talk about Intelligence matters for an hour or so and leave the budget/debt issues alone for a short time? I am thoroughly sick and tired of hearing about Ted “Ten Gallon Asshat” Cruz.

No! We are going to keep on it until you renounce the party and move into a FEMA camp with all the rest of us!

///

37 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:36:47am

re: #28 Lidane

And Mark Levin is having a temper tantrum:

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Mmm his impotent rage nourishes me.

38 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:37:30am

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts keep Tweeting that photo from the “Make-A-Wish” event. It has entered the viral Derpstream and can’t be recalled.

That is the wonder of the Echo Chamber. They have a monopoly on Higher Truth - anything that supports their point of view is immediately taken as Chapter and Verse.

39 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:37:54am

re: #35 SnowdenBaggerVance

When is Levin not having a tantrum? He’s an angry little man.

IS there honestly any conservative talk show who isn’t perptually in rage? It’s a good racket I tell ya that much. Rage against Obama, get books ghostwritten about how awful Obama he is, get a good chunk of wingnuts to buy your books, and roll in the dough.

40 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:38:51am

So Cruz thinks that people heckling him were sent by Obama. Dude you have Ken Cuccinelli running from your madness. I think you’ve done a fine job creating enemies on your own without President Obama’s help.

41 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:38:53am

re: #37 Amory Blaine

Mmm his impotent rage nourishes me.

Should the GOP and the TP’ers be on the receiving end of an electoral massacre in the 2014 mid-terms, Levin’s impotent rage will be truly delicious. All of the wingnuts will be apoplectic.

42 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:39:10am

re: #38 Sol Berdinowitz

That is the wonder of the Echo Chamber. They have a monopoly on Higher Truth - anything that supports their point of view is immediately taken as Chapter and Verse.

There are even some wingnuts who are embarrassed that they were pwn3d but most of them don’t give a shit.

43 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:39:42am

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

Should the GOP and the TP’ers be on the receiving end of an electoral massacre in the 2014 mid-terms, Levin’s impotent rage will be truly delicious. All of the wingnuts will be apoplectic.

AMERICA”S FINISHED. *Glenn Beck cries into another millions*.

44 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:39:45am

OT: Things just got interesting…

45 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:39:56am

House GOP, still operating under their strange defintion of “clean bill” —

46 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:40:30am

re: #12 b.d.

Dick Armey was the link to cash flow and somewhat legitimacy, when he left the only guy left was that fellow with the scary sideburns.

Crazy sideburn guy tossed in the towel too didn’t he? I thought I saw something about that months ago…like after the election results.

47 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:41:08am

re: #46 ObserverArt

Crazy sideburn guy tossed in the towel too didn’t he? I thought I saw something about that months ago…like after the election results.

Judson Phillips? I was wondering why we hadn’t seen that retrograde moron around.

48 EmmaAnne  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:41:16am

I really feel like there is something going on in the Snowden story that we haven’t heard yet. In a former life I used to have one of those super-specialized clearances, and I have a friend who has one now, and the amount of investigation that is done is just incompatible with what slipped through here. We would be overrun with spies if the system was that sloppy.

I mean seriously - the FBI talked to my friends and relatives and got names of people I didn’t give them, and interviewed them (startling them very much in the process). I had to have an in depth discussion with an agent - in person - of the couple of times I smoked pot in college.

I just can’t buy that no one noticed how sketchy this guy was.

49 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:41:33am

Ha I love this quote, “This is the intersection of a stupid train running into a dynamite pile of stupid,” the D.C. Central Kitchen’s development director said.

50 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:42:04am

re: #45 Lidane

House GOP, still operating under their strange defintion of “clean bill” —

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Spending cuts and budget negotiations are a separate matter. The GOP is desperate at this point for anything they claim as a ‘victory’.

No. Deny them. No victory. No fig leaf.

51 EmmaAnne  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:42:24am

re: #45 Lidane

House GOP, still operating under their strange defintion of “clean bill” —

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Hang tough Mr. President!

52 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:42:29am

re: #45 Lidane

House GOP, still operating under their strange defintion of “clean bill” —

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I’m willing to at least entertain the idea that cuts could be part of the deal, depending on what they are. After all, the talks this bill is supposed to spur will end up being largely about cuts to this or that anyway.

53 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:43:01am

re: #45 Lidane

House GOP, still operating under their strange defintion of “clean bill” —

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They want more spending cuts? Can we start with their salaries? Oh wait, no we can’t.

54 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:43:20am

re: #48 EmmaAnne

I really feel like there is something going on in the Snowden story that we haven’t heard yet. In a former life I used to have one of those super-specialized clearances, and I have a friend who has one now, and the amount of investigation that is done is just incompatible with what slipped through here. We would be overrun with spies if the system was that sloppy.

I mean seriously - the FBI talked to my friends and relatives and got names of people I didn’t give them, and interviewed them (startling them very much in the process). I had to have an in depth discussion with an agent - in person - of the couple of times I smoked pot in college.

I just can’t buy that no one noticed how sketchy this guy was.

The entire background check procedure was contracted out “to save money” and some corners were cut. A whole bunch of corners.

55 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:43:35am

re: #51 EmmaAnne

Hang tough Mr. President!

56 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:44:28am

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

The entire background check procedure was contracted out “to save money” and some corners were cut. A whole bunch of corners.

They cut so many corners it became a circle of failure.

57 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:44:38am

Might be best for Obama to hold off on commenting about the House bill until the Senate’s offer is put forward as well. If Senate Republicans look like they’re going to be more reasonable, go with that. What’s Boehner going to do, refuse to let the bill come to the vote in the name of his pride?

58 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:44:54am

I’ll take a wait and see attitude here but if I’m Obama, I’m very reluctant to trust the House GOP leadership and I’d let them know that.

59 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:45:22am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Judson Phillips? I was wondering why we hadn’t seen that retrograde moron around.

Crazy Sideburn guy is Matt Kibbe. I’m still trying to find info regarding him and the FreedomWorks organization and if he still hangs with them.

60 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:45:41am

re: #59 ObserverArt

Crazy Sideburn guy is Matt Kibbe. I’m still trying to find info regarding him and the FreedomWorks organization and if he still hangs with them.

Ah sorry, don’t remember that name.

61 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:46:41am

HEAR IS MOAR DERP
Stock photo from Shutterstock

62 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:47:50am

That Kibbe was just a guest on Maher. Typical (T)Reason bullshit.

63 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:49:12am

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Ah sorry, don’t remember that name.

I think he is still with FreedomWorks. I’ve seen him on Hard Ball with Tweety a few times. He has an extensive political background.

64 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:49:43am

Rumor going about the Senate deal seemed to be largely around pushing off the budget and debt ceiling deadlines til December next year, in exchange for repealing the medical device tax and perhaps some other small tokens.

Not the best deal, but it might be the best we’re going to get.

65 Interesting Times  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:50:20am

re: #63 ObserverArt

I think he is still with FreedomWorks. I’ve seen him on Hard Ball with Tweety a few times. He has an extensive political background.

See jaunte’s prior research:

littlegreenfootballs.com
littlegreenfootballs.com

66 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:50:32am

BUTTHURT

67 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:51:14am

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In today’s news media environment, there is great pressure to be first, to be provocative and to be popular. The consequence is the slinging of misinformation either by neglect or by design. And online, it is too easy to construct polished realities out of individual perceptions.

It is frustrating to me to see John Stewart on the list. He’s a comedian, not a pundit but I guess since many confuse his comedy skits as “news” he needs to be there.

68 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:51:40am

re: #65 Interesting Times

See jaunte’s prior research:

littlegreenfootballs.com
littlegreenfootballs.com

Thanks for those.

69 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:52:42am

re: #64 Targetpractice

Rumor going about the Senate deal seemed to be largely around pushing off the budget and debt ceiling deadlines til December next year, in exchange for repealing the medical device tax and perhaps some other small tokens.

Not the best deal, but it might be the best we’re going to get.

Yeah, it’s not too bad. I would think that with all the drama and hype there might be bigger concessions involved with Chained CPI, medicare, etc but I guess we’ll see how this pans out soon.

70 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:52:50am

Seems AP jumped the gun, there’s no House GOP offer or deal, just on-going discussions.

71 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:53:33am

re: #57 Targetpractice

Might be best for Obama to hold off on commenting about the House bill until the Senate’s offer is put forward as well. If Senate Republicans look like they’re going to be more reasonable, go with that. What’s Boehner going to do, refuse to let the bill come to the vote in the name of his pride?

No, but the wingnuts in the House might decide that any Senate bill is “tainted by compromise” or some sort of shit like that there.

72 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:53:44am

re: #66 Vicious Babushka

Poor baby is butthurt because he’s on the ass end of his own standards for libs.

73 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:53:55am

Politifact would split the baby in half.

74 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:54:08am

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it’s not too bad. I would think that with all the drama and hype there might be bigger concessions involved with Chained CPI, medicare, etc but I guess we’ll see how this pans out soon.

They’re probably figuring that stuff will be the subject of the talks that the White House and Congress want to have, so why try to jump the gun? Get the CR/DL mess cleared off the deck and at least an agreement in principle to talk, then begin the real work of hashing out a long-term deal.

75 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:54:39am

re: #73 Amory Blaine

Politifact would split the baby in half.

“Mostly true.”

76 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:54:55am

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

No, but the wingnuts in the House might decide that any Senate bill is “tainted by compromise” or some sort of shit like that there.

Then Johnny’s gonna have to swallow his pride and get Pelosi’s help to pass the bill. If even the “moderates” in the House are willing to take us into default over such a bill, then on their heads be it.

77 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:55:00am

re: #67 Killgore Trout

Stewart’s “comedy skits” are often far more informative and incisive than actual news broadcasts. And he is a far tougher interviewer than some folks might think.

78 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:55:02am

re: #74 Targetpractice

They’re probably figuring that stuff will be the subject of the talks that the White House and Congress want to have, so why try to jump the gun? Get the CR/DL mess cleared off the deck and at least an agreement in principle to talk, then begin the real work of hashing out a long-term deal.

That seems a smart way to proceed.

79 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:55:37am

Let’s call this “trucker protest” what it is, it’s a right wing fringe group going ot DC to see their heroes and they’re led by a lunatic who believes that Barack Obama and OSama Bin Laden are the same person. Even the most extreme 9/11 truthers don’t believe shit that stupid.

80 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:56:08am

Gotta love that RWNJ historical perspective:


All this hysteria over a conservative idea that started at Heritage. Hilarious.

81 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:57:00am

re: #74 Targetpractice

They’re probably figuring that stuff will be the subject of the talks that the White House and Congress want to have, so why try to jump the gun? Get the CR/DL mess cleared off the deck and at least an agreement in principle to talk, then begin the real work of hashing out a long-term deal.

My guess is they might create a deadline/doomsday switch scenario like the sequester thing. A clean CR in exchange for an arbitrary deadline date. If a negotiated settlement isn’t reached by the date then something awful automatically happens.

82 Interesting Times  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:57:19am

re: #70 Targetpractice

Seems AP jumped the gun, there’s no House GOP offer or deal, just on-going discussions.

I’d just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that none of this crap would be happening if Nancy Pelosi were still Speaker:

Nancy Pelosi: The Most Effective Speaker of the House in History

the California congresswoman turns out to have been arguably the most effective person in that post in U.S. history. And it’s not just rah-rah Democrats saying so.

“We’re looking at an extraordinary set of accomplishments over a brief period of time,” said Norman Ornstein, resident scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute. “She ranks with the most consequential speakers, certainly in the last 75 years.”

Orange little chickenshit boehner isn’t fit to shine her shoes.

83 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:57:26am

re: #80 Lidane

Gotta love that RWNJ historical perspective:

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All this hysteria over a conservative idea that started at Heritage. Hilarious.

Except lynching, Jim Crow, internment of Japanese-Americans, etc. Fucking Carson’s lost his damn mind.

84 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:57:45am

re: #77 Lidane

Stewart’s “comedy skits” are often far more informative and incisive than actual news broadcasts. And he is a far tougher interviewer than some folks might think.

I think he’s a funny comedian.

85 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:58:26am

re: #82 Interesting Times

I’d just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that none of this crap would be happening if Nancy Pelosi were still the speaker:

Nancy Pelosi: The Most Effective Speaker of the House in History

Orange little chickenshit boehner isn’t fit to shine her shoes.

It’s too bad that she didn’t get to be Speaker longer. She’ on a bad day is better than Boehner on a good day.

86 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:58:44am

re: #84 Killgore Trout

Maybe he should start pepper spraying his guests. That might be more your style.

87 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:59:01am

re: #84 Killgore Trout

I think he’s a funny comedian.

Yep. A funny comedian that happens to be more on the ball politically than many a politician. Sad isn’t it?

88 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:59:34am

re: #81 Killgore Trout

My guess is they might create a deadline/doomsday switch scenario like the sequester thing. A clean CR in exchange for an arbitrary deadline date. If a negotiated settlement isn’t reached by the date then something awful automatically happens.

Wouldn’t surprise me. More automatic cuts to discretionary spending would be a drop in the bucket, so you might be right that something like Chained CPI or means testing Medicare would automatically set in if no deal were made before the end of next year.

89 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 8:59:39am

re: #84 Killgore Trout

I think he’s a funny comedian.

He is but he’s still arguably more astute than many of the so called political analysts we see on the cable news.

90 Interesting Times  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:01:05am

re: #89 HappyWarrior

He is but he’s still arguably more astute than many of the so called political analysts we see on the cable news.

“Funny comedians” have a knack for kicing the butts of so-called jounalists:

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91 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:01:33am

rawstory.com
More Derp ala Cruz. Remind me why this lunatic should be taken seriously.

92 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:02:06am

re: #48 EmmaAnne

I really feel like there is something going on in the Snowden story that we haven’t heard yet. In a former life I used to have one of those super-specialized clearances, and I have a friend who has one now, and the amount of investigation that is done is just incompatible with what slipped through here. We would be overrun with spies if the system was that sloppy.

I mean seriously - the FBI talked to my friends and relatives and got names of people I didn’t give them, and interviewed them (startling them very much in the process). I had to have an in depth discussion with an agent - in person - of the couple of times I smoked pot in college.

I just can’t buy that no one noticed how sketchy this guy was.

Ditto here, I and a lot of classmates applied for the NSA and Foreign Service in the 80’s (we studied Russian) and they really left no stone unturned before even considering you for a position.

They wanted a complete list of everywhere I had ever lived, which was tricky, considering several spaces consisted of “in a camper parked on a dirt road off Arizona Highway 87”

93 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:02:18am

re: #90 Interesting Times

“Funny comedians” have a knack for kicing the butts of so-called jounalists:

Image: original.jpg

I actually thought of that when Wolf said that Obama should just give into the Republicans and delay ACA a couple days after it started.

94 Skip Intro  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:02:55am

re: #90 Interesting Times

“Funny comedians” have a knack for kicing the butts of so-called jounalists:

Image: original.jpg

That’s probably because they learn to work “hot”, while real journalists read their lines off a teleprompter, or get instructions through an earpiece.

95 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:03:23am

re: #89 HappyWarrior

He is but he’s still arguably more astute than many of the so called political analysts we see on the cable news.

Yes, I know a lot of people feel that way and that’s why I think he needs to be included on the list of “pundits” fact checked. I really don’t think comedy skits deserve to be scrutinized for factual accuracy but in today’s media environment of blurred lines between entertainment and news it’s necessary.

96 jaunte  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:04:20am

re: #91 HappyWarrior

rawstory.com
More Derp ala Cruz. Remind me why this lunatic should be taken seriously.

But he’s a Harvard-educated, legally trained, religious lunatic.

97 Skip Intro  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:05:03am

re: #91 HappyWarrior

rawstory.com
More Derp ala Cruz. Remind me why this lunatic should be taken seriously.

There’s really nothing this asshole won’t say, is there?

Joe McCarthy Jr., without the drinking problem.

98 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:05:32am

re: #80 Lidane

Gotta love that RWNJ historical perspective:

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All this hysteria over a conservative idea that started at Heritage. Hilarious.

All that Owning-People-As-Property was just TEH FREE MARKET. PAYING TAXES IS TEH SLAVEREY!!!1!!!!!!!

99 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:07:00am
100 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:08:38am

re: #99 Vicious Babushka

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Rand, you do realize that cutting up your credit card does not make the bills go away, right?

101 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:09:14am

re: #100 Targetpractice

Rand, you do realize that cutting up your credit card does not make the bills go away, right?

He doesn’t realize that. I think he really is that stupid.

102 erik_t  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:09:16am

Cutting up credit cards on which you’ve already racked up a huge bill works about as well as “unskewing” polling numbers so that they show you’re winning.

I am unsurprised that a party that loves one also loves the other.

103 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:10:24am
104 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:10:48am

re: #97 Skip Intro

There’s really nothing this asshole won’t say, is there?

Joe McCarthy Jr., without the drinking problem.

I was just thinking about Joe McCarthy actually since I saw a thing on the Military Channel the otehr night about the hunt for the Nazi War criminals at the Malmedy massacre where American POWs were murdered by the SS. McCarthy actually and this was before his famous hearings obviously played a big part in getting those killers’ convictions reverseal. Now to be fair, there does seem to have been some impropriety but to me, it’s curious that McCarthy whom later wanted to punish people for even daring to have once thought in their lives that communism was a good idea would take up the cause of SS men. That’s anotehr story though. Cruz is more nuts than Rand Paul if you ask me and that’s scary.

105 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:11:39am

re: #103 Lidane

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Still fighting the Civil War, sigh.

106 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:11:59am

re: #103 Lidane

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Geez, and I thought they were having a hard time accepting Romney’s loss.

107 blueraven  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:12:49am

Jon Stewart and Colbert are much more than comedians. They provide important social commentary in a humorous format.

They go after both parties, (witness Stewart’s recent grilling of Sibelius over ACA website issues) even as they tend to lean liberal.

They do what Limbaugh purports to do, only much better.

108 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:13:21am

Now they’re spamming a photo taken in Australia in 2011.

109 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:13:21am

re: #106 wrenchwench

Geez, and I thought they were having a hard time accepting Romney’s loss.

I know. This is why I’m coming to realize that there are some people who just can’t be compromised with. People still fighting a war that ended 9 years before my oldest great grandparent was born.

110 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:14:14am

re: #99 Vicious Babushka

Conservative moron again equating government financing/debt/currency management with a typical family of 2 adults/2.2 children/1.8 cars using credit cards.

This is why we cannot have nice things.

111 bubba zanetti  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:14:44am

re: #108 Vicious Babushka

I think there’s a business opportunity in unskewedphotos.com, a stock photo site of things that didn’t happen.

112 Skip Intro  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:16:45am

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Cruz is more nuts than Rand Paul if you ask me and that’s scary.

I think he’s more calculating, cynical, and devious, like Glenn Beck, and that’s even scarier.

113 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:17:55am

*HEADDESK*

114 b.d.  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:18:42am

re: #113 Vicious Babushka
FAKE BUT TRUE!!

115 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:19:24am

re: #97 Skip Intro

Joe McCarthy Jr., without the drinking problem.

Except for that problem of drinking his own Kool Aid.
/ half

116 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:19:42am

Oh geez. Look at all the GOP House members going to the Value Voters summit and not working on getting the government back up.

Can you imagine the apoplectics if Obama played a round right now?

117 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:19:52am

WAIT THEIR IS MOAR DERP.

Wingnuts got the photo of the South Carolina event from RUSSIA TODAY

118 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:20:38am

*HEADDESK*

119 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:21:56am

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

*HEADDESK*

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Alternate Reality 101. George Orwell was right; 2 + 2 = 5.

120 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:22:09am

re: #97 Skip Intro

There’s really nothing this asshole won’t say, is there?

Joe McCarthy Jr., without the drinking problem.

But who is the Roy Cohn of Ted Cruz’s gang? You know there has to be a slimy lawyer type running around somewhere to make the comparisons even more scary.

121 jaunte  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:23:18am

re: #108 Vicious Babushka

Fair Go for Tarcoola!

122 b.d.  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:23:40am

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

Vicious Babushka don’t you realize that this is the biggest event since MTV sent one of their VeeJays to the moon to plant that flag?

123 b.d.  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:27:05am

re: #117 Vicious Babushka

Hard to argue with logic like this:


It really is.

124 jaunte  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:27:52am

re: #108 Vicious Babushka

Now they’re spamming a photo taken in Australia in 2011.

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Ironically, they would be opposed to the legislation that Fair Go campaign was about:
fairgo.org

125 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:27:57am

‘Obamacare = slavery’ sez intellectual giant of VVS.

Crowd goes wild.

VVS never fails to impress.

126 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:28:01am

So if it’s happening, please use actual photos. Anyhow it’s a shitty day here in the D.C area and cold. I doubt people are getting out of their cars to cheer these nutbars on.

127 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:28:13am

re: #123 b.d.

Hard to argue with logic like this:

It really is.

Some of the more embarrassed wingnuts are Tweeting actual traffic cam photos, but they do not show what they want them to show.

128 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:29:42am

re: #125 SnowdenBaggerVance

‘Obamacare = slavery’ sez intellectual giant of VVS.

Crowd goes wild.

VVS never fails to impress.

To that crowd, everything = slavery except actual slavery which you know was a states right.

129 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:29:51am
130 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:30:44am

Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick.

131 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:31:02am

Surprising lack of real photos for such a large event in a smartphone saturated world.

132 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:31:35am

re: #128 HappyWarrior

To that crowd, everything = slavery except actual slavery which you know was a states right.

Also, slavery is something that folks need to get over. You know, because it was a long time ago. And The South Shall Rise Again!

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133 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:31:46am

re: #131 Amory Blaine

Surprising lack of real photos for such a large event in a smartphone saturated world.

No kidding. The old pics or it didn’t happen really applies here.

134 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:31:58am

re: #131 Amory Blaine

Surprising lack of real photos for such a large event in a smartphone saturated world.

There are some traffic cam photos, but they show the same 3 trucks over and over.

135 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:32:22am

re: #132 Lidane

Also, slavery is something that folks need to get over. You know, because it was a long time ago. And The South Shall Rise Again!

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Slavery is something to get over but people in the deep South can still hold on to the South losing the war like it was yesterday. Gotta love that standard eh?

136 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:32:53am
137 jaunte  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:33:27am
138 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:34:22am

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick.

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Frozen Father brand treats.

139 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:35:04am

Slavery = states rights!

Democrats = South, racist

Therefore, Democrats are for states rights!

Wait, that didn’t come out right, Damn.

140 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:35:11am

re: #103 Lidane

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Round Top was too thickly wooded and jumbled for that sort of maneuver it would have taken hours to get cannons into position on it and going over it would have left Maj. Gen. Hood’s division isolated with rough terrain behind them and the whole the Army of the Potomac’s 6th Corps in front of them. Not really a recipe for victory.

And of course, that comment merits My Standing Answer to Neo-Confederates:

Youtube Video

141 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:36:02am

HAHAHA

142 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:37:02am

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

HAHAHA

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Ouch. That one has to hurt.

143 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:37:34am

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

HAHAHA

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Fox News didn’t get the memo apparently. Either that, or they’ve gone insane and are now reporting actual reality instead of deranged RWNJ BS.

144 jaunte  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:37:37am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Slavery is something to get over but people in the deep South can still hold on to the South losing the war like it was yesterday.

Also, Arizona.

In a dial-in conference call with the group called “Truckers Ride for the Constitution,” one of the protest organizers — Zeeda Andrews — chatted with a truck driver who was going by the name General Lee (otherwise known as Ernest Lee from Bullhead City, Ariz.), and other organizers.
washingtonpost.com

145 erik_t  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:37:40am

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

HAHAHA

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THERE ARE DOZENS OF US!

146 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:38:09am

re: #131 Amory Blaine

Surprising lack of real photos for such a large event in a smartphone saturated world.

No, here’s the proof.
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147 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:38:47am

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

HAHAHA

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We SURROUND you a truck stop…

148 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:39:04am

BUTTHURT

149 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:39:18am

re: #144 jaunte

Also, Arizona.

I think Arizona as a territory was CSA sympathizing IIRC.

150 jaunte  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:39:24am

re: #145 erik_t

THERE ARE DOZENS OF US!

Mr. Furious Goes To Washington.

151 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:39:55am

re: #148 Vicious Babushka

BUTTHURT

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Says the person supporting a movement headed by a woman who thinks the president and man who planned the 9/11 attacks are one and the same. Yep, you sure do love America baby.

152 calochortus  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:40:14am

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

Fox News didn’t get the memo apparently. Either that, or they’ve gone insane and are now reporting actual reality instead of deranged RWNJ BS.

I suspect Fox may be trying to disengage with some of the far right loons now that they are trying to crash the economy. Murdoch does want to keep his businesses up and running.

Also, this protest was a pretty obvious non-starter so there aren’t a lot of true believers to offend.

153 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:41:14am
154 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:41:34am

When you mock jingoist morons tooting about some supposed important ‘Pay Attention To Me!’ event, you hate Merica.

155 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:41:44am

I think these loons were too much even for FNC. I mean come on, their organizer thinks Obama and Osama are one and the same. Even Michelle Bachmann “concedes” that Obama merely supports AQ but she doesn’t think he’s Bin Laden.

156 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:42:06am

Looks like the apologists are saying truckers couldn’t come to their super special Constitution Saving Spectacular because they have to work.

157 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:42:38am

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

Fox News didn’t get the memo apparently. Either that, or they’ve gone insane and are now reporting actual reality instead of deranged RWNJ BS.

But will there be any embarrassment over the whole trucker thing turning to a fart in a hurricane? No. They are incapable of facing any reality, even when that reality makes them look really stupid.

158 calochortus  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:43:55am

re: #157 ObserverArt

Yeah, ‘cause they made us all talk about them. Win!

159 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:44:07am
160 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:44:20am

re: #158 calochortus

Yeah, ‘cause they made us all talk about them. Win!

If they talk about how stupid we are guys, we’s winning!

161 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:44:23am

IT AIN’T OVER TILL IT’S OVER!!!1!! U JUST WAIT TILL 1,000,000 VETS SHOW UP AND KICK UR ASS!!!1!!!!!!

162 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:44:58am

re: #152 calochortus

I suspect Fox may be trying to disengage with some of the far right loons now that they are trying to crash the economy. Murdoch does want to keep his businesses up and running.

Also, this protest was a pretty obvious non-starter so there aren’t a lot of true believers to offend.

That will last until this storm passes and then they will be right back at it. They know who butters their bread.

163 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:45:39am

re: #159 Lidane

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They really have no shame at all do they? If I were a parent or relative of one of the victims, I’d be furious since it was a fucking gun that ended my relative or child’s life. yes, guns can save lives but they more often than not end lives and it’s beyond fucking ghoulish to claim otherwise.

164 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:45:43am

re: #157 ObserverArt

But will there be any embarrassment over the whole trucker thing turning to a fart in a hurricane? No. They are incapable of facing any reality, even when that reality makes them look really stupid.

It’s not so much that they’re incapable of facing any reality, it’s that they’re living in their own alternate reality.

I’ve never seen anything like this in my 44 years. It’s like a massive quasi-religious cult, with all the classic signs and symptoms of cult-like behavior. Some sociologist will, one day, write a fascinating account of the rise and fall of Movement Conservatism, and that how, in its last days, it devolved into a political cult, devoid of reality, bankrupt of ideas.

165 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:45:52am

re: #48 EmmaAnne

I really feel like there is something going on in the Snowden story that we haven’t heard yet. In a former life I used to have one of those super-specialized clearances, and I have a friend who has one now, and the amount of investigation that is done is just incompatible with what slipped through here. We would be overrun with spies if the system was that sloppy.

I mean seriously - the FBI talked to my friends and relatives and got names of people I didn’t give them, and interviewed them (startling them very much in the process). I had to have an in depth discussion with an agent - in person - of the couple of times I smoked pot in college.

I just can’t buy that no one noticed how sketchy this guy was.

My father says the same thing. He also had one of those superspecialclearences once upon a time. He also said he thought that maybe the NSA knew what he was doing and that they were watching him. Perhaps they thought he was collecting information for a particular end-game and he left before they thought he would. Like, someone tipped him off.

166 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:46:15am

re: #159 Lidane

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FAIL.

167 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:47:12am

re: #147 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

We SURROUND you a truck stop…

“Well, they have us surrounded, the poor devils.” - Col. Henri Bouquet at the Battle of Bushy Run, August 5th, 1763.

Bouquet and his force used a surprise attack the next day that broke their Native American attackers and sent them running, The British force then went on to relieve Ft. Pitt (modern day Pittsburgh) and in doing so broke the back of Indian morale in Pontiac’s War.

Of note is the fact that Bouquet was faced with Indian attackers who used the same tactics that had destroyed Gen. Braddock’s column 8 years before, Braddock being defeated and killed at a site only 12 miles from Bushy Run. Bouquet used far better tactics than Braddock and as a result won his battle despite not having the numerical superiority Braddock had possessed.

168 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:49:01am

Wow, wingnut admits defeat.

169 Ian G.  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:49:23am

More pictures of T2SDA:

Image: RoadWarriorTruck2.jpg

Someone tweet this and see if it becomes a wingnut meme.

170 b.d.  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:49:58am

30 truckers?!?!?!

That isn’t even enough to haul the supplies for a real protest.

171 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:50:35am

Let’s see if this photo enters the Derpstream.

172 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:51:16am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

I think Arizona as a territory was CSA sympathizing IIRC.

I drove through Safford, AZ, recently. I learned today that the RW militia nut Richard Mack considers it his home town.

It is surrounded by acres and acres of cotton.

173 calochortus  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:51:35am

re: #162 ObserverArt

That will last until this storm passes and then they will be right back at it. They know who butters their bread.

They may have painted themselves into a corner along with the GOP.
We can hope anyway.
Fox is beginning to be considered MSM by the more extreme folks, and I can’t imagine that the “RINO” contingent of the party will be quite as eager to partake of the sheer nuttery on FOX.

174 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:52:31am

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

Fox News didn’t get the memo apparently. Either that, or they’ve gone insane and are now reporting actual reality instead of deranged RWNJ BS.

They’ll update the story later with the part about a million truckers showing up.
/

175 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:52:52am

Cruz: Send ‘search team’ if I don’t return from White House

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) joked that he might not be seen again after Friday’s meeting with President Obama at the White House.

“After leaving here, I’m going to be going to the White House,” he said at the Values Voter Summit of religious conservative activists. “I will make a request. If I’m never seen again, please send a search and rescue team. I very much hope I don’t wake up tomorrow morning among the Syrian rebels.”

The line drew big laughs from the activist crowd, which ate up his attacks on the Obama administration and establishment conservatives.

Get ready for the VVShitstorm of Derp, while these House members are not working on the budget crisis.

176 jaunte  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:53:05am

re: #170 b.d.

They don’t seem to grasp that 18-wheelers, though large, make for a low-voter-density crowd. That long lineup in #171 for instance, could be eight guys.

177 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:53:12am

Meanwhile in the Senate:

President Obama’s nominee to be Navy Undersecretary, Jo Ann Rooney, faced a stormy reception this morning, getting a bipartisan hammering by Senators John McCain and Kirsten Gillibrand.

In her formal written responses to SASC’s pre-hearing questions, Rooney had demurred on whether the Navy Department could meet the statutory deadline of September 2014 to get key budget documents in shape to pass an audit. When Sen. McCain pressed for an answer again this morning, she demurred again, saying she still lacked enough “detailed information” to address such a complex issue.

(Pro tip: Do not piss off John McCain.)

“Until you find out, I will not be supporting your nomination,” McCain interrupted. “I want an answer whether the Navy can meet its legal obligations. If you don’t know the answer then you’re not qualified for the job yet.”

McCain did not say whether simply meant he would vote “nay” on the nomination or go so far as to place a hold on it until he got a satisfactory answer, and his office declined to clarify the senator’s intention.

178 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:53:43am

Back on topic a bit. Will the CIA story on Snowdon change Greenwald’s thinking on Snowdon being the good whistle blower, or will he and others call it a government scheme to paint him in a bad light to cover for their evilness?

I think I know the answer, just wonder if other feel the same?

179 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:54:20am

re: #169 Ian G.

More pictures of T2SDA:

Image: RoadWarriorTruck2.jpg

Someone tweet this and see if it becomes a wingnut meme.

Who run Bartertown?

180 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:54:31am

re: #175 SnowdenBaggerVance

Cruz: Send ‘search team’ if I don’t return from White House

Get ready for the VVShitstorm of Derp, while these House members are not working on the budget crisis.

Did I fall asleep when Glenn Beck got elected to the Senate? Don’t know how I missed that.

181 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:54:49am

Because the House GOP has done such a great job so far.

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182 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:55:10am

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

Meanwhile in the Senate:

But has she ever crashed any planes?

183 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:56:24am

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

But has she ever crashed any planes?

Oh, please. Lots of A-4 pilots had crashes.

184 leftynyc  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:57:34am

re: #64 Targetpractice

Rumor going about the Senate deal seemed to be largely around pushing off the budget and debt ceiling deadlines til December next year, in exchange for repealing the medical device tax and perhaps some other small tokens.

Not the best deal, but it might be the best we’re going to get.

That certainly beats a deal that is only for 6 weeks. The President should insist whatever deal is signed for good until December 2014.

185 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:57:48am

re: #181 Lidane

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Glad this is their concern not that something constructive may get done. Fuckmongrels.

186 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:58:28am
187 jaunte  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:58:49am

re: #175 SnowdenBaggerVance

Cruz is such an ass.

188 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 9:59:11am

re: #186 Lidane

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WHY DIDN’T YOU STOP US? YOU SAW THAT WE BROKE OUR OWN JAWS!

189 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:00:04am

I think Ryan may be a goner after this, too.

190 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:00:17am

re: #176 jaunte

They don’t seem to grasp that 18-wheelers, though large, make for a low-voter-density crowd. That long lineup in #171 for instance, could be eight guys.

That long lineup was taken 5 months ago, at the Detroit/Windsor border. I just Tweeted it to see how many RTs it can get.

I know, I know that was evil.

191 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:00:42am

re: #187 jaunte

Cruz is such an ass.

that’s an understatement. I swear this guy has the idiotic politics of Rand Paul combined with Alex Jones/Glenn Beck paranoia. And I’ll give Rand some “credit”, he’s never acted like as far as I know that POTUS is personally out to get him. Cruz just added another peak to peak wingnut by doing that. I think the dumbass is craven enough to fake a kidnapping and then claim that “Obama’s SS goons kidnapped me because I speak out.”

192 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:01:32am

re: #189 Justanotherhuman

I think Ryan may be a goner after this, too.

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This from the guy who used his father’s SS benefits to attend college. Shut up Paul. You greedy fuckwad.

193 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:01:43am

Jeez it’s getting a bunch of RTs. Should I delete it before the Derp gets out of control?

194 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:02:25am

re: #193 Vicious Babushka

Jeez it’s getting a bunch of RTs. Should I delete it before the Derp gets out of control?

No. Pw3n them royally instead.

195 Kragar  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:02:40am

Seriously CIA?

This is why we can’t have nice things.

196 jaunte  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:02:50am

re: #193 Vicious Babushka

Let them enjoy the auto-face-punching.

197 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:03:35am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

This from the guy who used his father’s SS benefits to attend college. Shut up Paul. You greedy fuckwad.

Yeah, and don’t forget, he’s head of the House Budget Committee, and he keeps saying things like that.

198 jaunte  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:03:51am
199 chadu  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:03:52am

re: #136 Lidane

I need people to stop using the words “socialism,” “fascism,” “Marxism,” and “Communist” until they learn what they mean.

200 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:03:54am

re: #194 Dr Lizardo

No. Pw3n them royally instead.

I even said in my Tweet “Trucks waiting at the US/Canada border on 6-2013”

201 Kragar  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:04:38am

Rubio: There Is A ‘Rising Tide Of Intolerance” Against Conservative Christians

Easily solutions, stop being self righteous bullying assholes.

202 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:04:51am

More info coming out as the day goes on…

203 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:05:05am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

I even said in my Tweet “Trucks waiting at the US/Canada border on 6-2013”

I know. Well, it’s not your fault if they’re so dumb.

204 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:05:39am

re: #199 chadu

I need people to stop using the words “socialism,” “fascism,” “Marxism,” and “Communist” until they learn what they mean.

Well that too. I liked it when there was a hoopola about all the czars Obama was appointing and some right wing idiots likened the czars to Bolshevism because the Romanovs were you know huge Bolsheviks.

205 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:05:41am

When you’ve lost Drudge….


Linking back to the FoxNews story that indicates that few drivers actually took up the challenge to ride on DC.

Their demands:

On its website, the group lists several demands, including that President Obama resign immediately, that the debt ceiling not be raised and that National Security Agency surveillance of communications be ceased. The group is also complaining about low wages and rising fuel costs.

Birthers, dudebros, and oh, low wages and rising fuel costs.

Wait, low wages? What do they want? Government intervention to set minimum wages?

Rising fuel costs? What are they saying here? Reduce the taxes that can barely keep bridges from falling down - because of truck traffic?

No, it seems like they just started adding things that might potentially get more truckers to ride, even if they don’t agree with the core-initial demands - the birther/dudebro convergence.

206 Amory Blaine  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:06:16am

Rob Zerban is exploring running against Paul Ryan in 2014. He did in 2012 and lost by ~11 points which was closer than expected.

207 chadu  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:06:52am

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

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I know that’s not from the real event, but it’s happening, y’all!

#yourheartmightnotbetroubledbutdamnyourbrainisfuckedup

208 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:06:54am

re: #201 Kragar

Rubio: There Is A ‘Rising Tide Of Intolerance” Against Conservative Christians

Easily solutions, stop being self righteous bullying assholes.

Oh there he is, I’ve missed you Marco. Seriously Marco. If conservative Christians don’t want to be met with intolerance, they should stop demanding that their personal intolerance of GLBT people and non-conservative Christians be made law you stupid idiot. Fucking aschat.

209 leftynyc  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:07:51am

re: #129 Lidane

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LOL - look at the sour puss on the blond (sorry, I don’t know her name). McCain is not playing along with their meme.

210 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:09:12am

re: #201 Kragar

Intolerance against the intolerant. I see that as nothing more than free speech at work, and if they can’t take the criticism then he has no business in politics.

211 Good Morning  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:09:20am

He was just trying to make sure things were secure. Like the night security guard trying door handles to make sure doors are all locked.

212 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:10:53am

re: #148 Vicious Babushka

BUTTHURT

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Send them that FOX link LOL!

213 Kragar  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:12:30am

McCain To Fox News: No, The Shutdown Is The GOP’s Fault (VIDEO)

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) channeled his inner-maverick Friday during an appearance on Fox News Channel, repeatedly reminding the conservative network that the government shutdown was brought about by the quixotic effort to halt the Affordable Care Act.

When anchor Martha MacCallum asked him about the White House’s handling of the suspension of death benefits to military families, McCain said that while the administration deserves blame it was a GOP-induced shutdown that caused the problem in the first place.

“Let’s have a little straight talk, Martha,” McCain said. “[The administration] wouldn’t have had the opportunity to handle it that way if we had not shut down the government on a fool’s errand that we were not going to accomplish. The whole premise of shutting down the government was the repeal of Obamacare. I fought against Obamacare harder than any of the people who wanted to shut down the government.”

214 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:13:57am
215 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:14:09am
216 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:14:30am

re: #206 Amory Blaine

Rob Zerban is exploring running against Paul Ryan in 2014. He did in 2012 and lost by ~11 points which was closer than expected.

Be funny if he beat Ryan despite the Gerrymander.

Meanwhile Walker wants to further gut the education system with a property tax cut.

217 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:14:49am

re: #213 Kragar

Oh, it would have been great had they managed to get Sarah Palin on - and have them debate each other over who’s to blame. The irony would be rich with that one.

218 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:16:25am

Yep. They’ve lost Drudge.

MOAR TEARZ!!!

219 Kragar  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:17:47am

OHBOYBOYOHBOY!

TODAY IS THE START OF THE VALUES VOTER SUMMIT!

LET THE DERP FLOW FREE!


Levin tells Values Voter Summit: ‘America is a blue state’ so change the Constitution

President Romney agrees!

220 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:17:57am

So, I just got back from my little trip to Arlington by way of 66.
Nothing unusual as far as trucks go. Both ways.
Sorry TPers, this one’s a bust.
;)

221 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:18:29am

re: #209 leftynyc

LOL - look at the sour puss on the blond (sorry, I don’t know her name). McCain is not playing along with their meme.

“We’ll see” (Says the frustrated Fox Blonde)

Hahahahahahaa. We sure will.

222 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:18:56am

re: #213 Kragar

McCain To Fox News: No, The Shutdown Is The GOP’s Fault (VIDEO)

It’s not smart to get on the fighting side of John McCain. McCains’ are not fake fierce, they really are fierce people. John McCain has more courage, intelligence, and determination than any 3 wingnuts you could name.

223 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:19:35am

re: #214 Vicious Babushka

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Haha, you can go out on I-85 any time of the day, any location, and find far more trucks than that in regular traffic.

224 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:19:39am
225 Kragar  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:19:50am

re: #220 Varek Raith

So, I just got back from my little trip to Arlington by way of 66.
Nothing unusual as far as trucks go. Both ways.
Sorry TPers, this one’s a bust.
;)

Obama got to the truckers, eh?
/

226 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:21:12am
227 kirkspencer  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:21:28am

re: #201 Kragar

Rubio: There Is A ‘Rising Tide Of Intolerance” Against Conservative Christians

Easily solutions, stop being self righteous bullying assholes.

Well, the more you behave like Thuggees the more you get treated like them.

229 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:23:14am

re: #228 Kragar

Yoho: Furloughed Workers Shouldn’t Get Back Pay, Even Though He Voted to Approve It

Then why did you vote for it idiot? And why shouldn’t they and you do even though you caused the shutdown and not them? Greedy fucking fucker.

230 calochortus  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:23:29am

re: #226 Lidane

Self awareness. He haz none.

231 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:23:52am

Malala Yousafzai misses out on Nobel peace prize, Pakistani Taliban ‘delighted’

Spokesman Shahidullah Shahid told AFP the 16-year-old had done nothing to deserve the Nobel, which went to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons ( OPCW) for its work to rid the world of chemical arms.

“We are delighted that she didn’t get it. She did nothing big so it’s good that she didn’t get it,” Shahid said by telephone from an undisclosed location.

“This award should be given to the real Muslims who are struggling for Islam. Malala is against Islam, she is secular.”

232 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:25:13am
233 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:25:37am

re: #226 Lidane

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Got a door hanger from Cucci’s campaign today, though I didn’t realize it at first. Advertised itself as a “look at the candidates” on their views of women’s rights. First item on the list: abortion. How does it differentiate them? Declaring that Cucci believes in holding “abortion clinics” to the “same medical standard”s as outpatient surgical centers.

The other two were the usual GOP pablum, low taxes good, “Obamacare” bad. That proudly declaring that Cucci is the guy to choose if you’re a woman and care about the things he thinks women care about.

234 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:26:14am

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

It’s not smart to get on the fighting side of John McCain. McCains’ are not fake fierce, they really are fierce people. John McCain has more courage, intelligence, and determination than any 3 wingnuts you could name.

I’ve liked McCain in the past, but to me he has gone against many of the lessons he said he learned in Viet Nam. Now, he feeds the wingnuts as much gruel as the next ‘nut and he will always be held responsible for falling to the dictates of the religious right and introducing the cancer known as Palin on the world. Not much fierceness in that dumb decision. My opinion, he is a shell of the John McCain I knew and for that major points off in my book. I always have more respect for an individual that holds true to all their beliefs even if it does mean it might hurt them politically.

And right now, I’ll keep harping on the fact that a whole hell of a lot of Republican politicians are going to be learning that the hard way if they don’t clean up their acts quickly. It may be too late for them though. American is taking names, and the polls that say dump them all will take its toll on that party come 14’ elections.

235 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:26:39am

re: #231 Killgore Trout

Yes. Because the opinions of the people who shot her are relevant.

236 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:27:07am

re: #233 Targetpractice

Got a door hanger from Cucci’s campaign today, though I didn’t realize it at first. Advertised itself as a “look at the candidates” on their views of women’s rights. First item on the list: abortion. How does it differentiate them? Declaring that Cucci believes in holding “abortion clinics” to the “same medical standard”s as outpatient surgical centers.

The other two were the usual GOP pablum, low taxes good, “Obamacare” bad. That proudly declaring that Cucci is the guy to choose if you’re a woman and care about the things he thinks women care about.

You think that’s bad, I got push polled by them one night. I’m usually polite but as soon as I realized what they were trying to do, I hung up. Don’t know how they got my cell phone.

237 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:29:19am

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Then why did you vote for it idiot? And why shouldn’t they and you do even though you caused the shutdown and not them? Greedy fucking fucker.

He sounds too stupid to have gotten elected. Another “Can’t be bothered to read the bill” idiot.

238 Interesting Times  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:30:08am

re: #233 Targetpractice

Got a door hanger from Cucci’s campaign today, though I didn’t realize it at first.

I totally read that as coat hanger, which in turn made me think he was following even more in erick erickson’s derpsteps

239 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:30:11am

re: #220 Varek Raith

So, I just got back from my little trip to Arlington by way of 66.
Nothing unusual as far as trucks go. Both ways.
Sorry TPers, this one’s a bust.
;)

I can hardly say I am surprised. Traffic’s bad enough here. Do they really think people here are going to take kindly to a bunch of whiners holding up traffic to air some petty grievances against Obama? The college kids at the metro station who try to get you to sign up for HRC or whatever organization are much more pleasant to deal with because they actually take the time to listen to you. Had a HRC volunteer compliment my signature for instance and I had a nice conversation with this student who I assume was from Africa judging by her accent working on a UN group who’s helping refugees. I don’t have much money at the moment but I did pledge ten bucks.

240 jaunte  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:30:55am
241 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:30:58am

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

He sounds too stupid to have gotten elected. Another “Can’t be bothered to read the bill” idiot.

Yep another member of the idiot wave of 2010. Agh. Glad we didn’t get anyone like that here locally. Would have killed me if we replaced Gerry Connolly with that idiot Keith Finian but that’s another story.

242 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:31:30am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I don’t think they appreciate the craziness of our drivers round these parts.
XD

243 Kragar  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:32:10am

I listened to a bit of Rush this morning, who was breaking down why the GOP was polling so badly.

The answer, of course, was pop culture.

What other reason could there possibly be?

244 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:32:46am

Punching Yourself in the Face, polling edition:

245 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:33:11am

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Yep another member of the idiot wave of 2010. Agh. Glad we didn’t get anyone like that here locally. Would have killed me if we replaced Gerry Connolly with that idiot Keith Finian but that’s another story.

Actually, he was first elected last year.

246 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:33:15am

re: #244 Lidane

Punching Yourself in the Face, polling edition:

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Seems legit.

247 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:33:42am

re: #243 Kragar

I listened to a bit of Rush this morning, who was breaking down why the GOP was polling so badly.

The answer, of course, was pop culture.

What other reason could there possibly be?

Yeah pop culture, of course. It’s not the fact that you guys are total asshats and people like you(Rush) are the face of the Republican PArty and conservative ideological movement at all.

248 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:33:59am

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

Actually, he was first elected last year.

ah my bad, danke.

249 Kragar  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:34:29am

re: #244 Lidane

Punching Yourself in the Face, polling edition:

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They think they’re fighting The Battle of Britain.

In reality, its more like they are charging the Russian guns.

250 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:34:54am

re: #233 Targetpractice

Got a door hanger from Cucci’s campaign today, though I didn’t realize it at first. Advertised itself as a “look at the candidates” on their views of women’s rights. First item on the list: abortion. How does it differentiate them? Declaring that Cucci believes in holding “abortion clinics” to the “same medical standard”s as outpatient surgical centers.

The other two were the usual GOP pablum, low taxes good, “Obamacare” bad. That proudly declaring that Cucci is the guy to choose if you’re a woman and care about the things he thinks women care about.

I suppose I’d be in trouble if I called that a ‘bitch whistle’. And really it’s closer to being an out and out lie. If you care about the safety of women, you want free abortions on every corner easy access in many kinds of facilities, so women can decide where they’d like to go.

251 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:35:26am

re: #233 Targetpractice

Got a door hanger from Cucci’s campaign today, though I didn’t realize it at first. Advertised itself as a “look at the candidates” on their views of women’s rights. First item on the list: abortion. How does it differentiate them? Declaring that Cucci believes in holding “abortion clinics” to the “same medical standard”s as outpatient surgical centers.

The other two were the usual GOP pablum, low taxes good, “Obamacare” bad. That proudly declaring that Cucci is the guy to choose if you’re a woman and care about the things he thinks women care about.

Sounds like the crap Ohio Gov Kasich and gang ran through on a budget bill just before passing it late on a Friday.

I heard Tweety and Joke Scarborough blabbing the other night on how Kasich could be a real up and comer as a Presidential runner in ‘16.

All I could think of is, boys you need to get the fuck outta Washington or at least read the damn papers. Kasich has been going down in polls as more and more women and men who care realize they had to sneak backdoor crap on abortion into a budget bill. Last pole, he has fallen to 43% approval from around the low 50s at the turn of last year. Sad fact though, the Dems haven’t seemed to come up with much in running Ed Fitzgerald against him. If the Dems had a stronger candidate, I think Kasich is beatable.

252 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:36:18am

re: #235 Lidane

Yes. Because the opinions of the people who shot her are relevant.

Yes, they are relevant for those who live in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Especially the women.

253 kirkspencer  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:36:39am

re: #244 Lidane

Punching Yourself in the Face, polling edition:

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It’s the Gideonites at work. I’ve talked about that a lot since I’ve been here, but it’s part of why the fundamentalist Christians like to see themselves as an embattled minority.

Because once you’re down to the pure, outnumbered and surrounded, God will see that you prevail.

The thing I keep reminding them is that Masada was a (suicidal) massacre for the Sicarii.

254 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:37:48am

re: #243 Kragar

I listened to a bit of Rush this morning, who was breaking down why the GOP was polling so badly.

The answer, of course, was pop culture.

What other reason could there possibly be?

Womenz!!! Especially of the nazi type.

255 jaunte  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:37:56am

re: #253 kirkspencer

The Sicarii obviously didn’t have enough truckers and bikers.

256 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:37:59am

re: #244 Lidane

Punching Yourself in the Face, polling edition:

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Yeah, I’ve seen wingnuts engaged in that line of illogic since last night. “The polls just show that we’re winning! If we’re hated, we’re doing something right!”

257 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:38:30am

re: #254 ObserverArt

Womenz!!! Especially of the nazi type.

and Miley…

258 Kragar  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:38:48am

re: #253 kirkspencer

The lesson of Masada.

Don’t fuck with the Romans when the Persians are next door watching.

259 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:41:19am
260 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:41:32am

re: #258 Kragar

The lesson of Masada.

Don’t fuck with the Romans when the Persians are next door watching.

What have the Romans ever done for us?

261 jaunte  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:41:48am

re: #256 Targetpractice

Yeah, I’ve seen wingnuts engaged in that line of illogic since last night. “The polls just show that we’re winning! If we’re hated, we’re doing something right!”

Ted Cruz: “The greatest trick the left has ever played is to convince conservatives we cannot win”

262 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:41:57am

re: #254 ObserverArt

Womenz!!! Especially of the nazi type.

The fatman should have been relegated to 15 minutes of fame for popularizing that insultingly stupid term. YEah because women demanding equal rights are just like the Nazis. I know Rush didn’t invent it but the fuckwad made it mainstream and inspired a lot of the stupidity I see believed about feminists such as that they’ll all ebil lesbians, or that they hate men, etc.

264 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:42:27am

re: #261 jaunte

Ted Cruz: “The greatest trick the left has ever played is to convince conservatives we cannot win”

You guys did that all yourselves but you’re welcome?

265 Bulworth  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:42:37am

re: #259 Lidane

Don’t think I can click onto Townhall link without suffering major crash of technical and mental processes.

266 Kragar  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:42:38am

re: #260 GeneJockey

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Roads?

267 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:42:58am

re: #263 Kragar

Ben Carson: ‘Re-Educate the Women’ Because ‘They Get All Riled Up’ Over Abortion

Okay, I used to think this guy was simply misinformed. I now see that he’s a barking at the moon wingnut.

268 Bulworth  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:43:02am

re: #263 Kragar

So the womenz should be herded into FEMA trailer re-education camps, or something?

269 Bulworth  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:43:33am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Once you dip a toe into that cesspool you just get sucked in all the way.

270 Bulworth  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:44:00am

re: #256 Targetpractice

Please proceed…..

271 Kragar  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:44:10am

re: #268 Bulworth

So the womenz should be herded into FEMA trailer re-education camps, or something?

Their delicate constitutions leave them susceptible to the vapors.

272 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:44:14am

re: #249 Kragar

They think they’re fighting The Battle of Britain.

In reality, its more like they are charging the Russian guns.

Doesn’t work as an analogy: The Light Brigade inflicted serious losses among the crews of the Russian guns they attacked at Balaclava, and given the lack of education in Russia, those were men the czar’s army could ill-afford to lose.

It’s more like the IJN at The Battle of Surigao Strait.

273 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:44:17am

re: #269 Bulworth

Once you dip a toe into that cesspool you just get sucked in all the way.

Well I don’t exactly feel bad for Dr. Carson, he after all could have simply declined their invite.

274 Bulworth  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:44:47am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Yeah I thought he was above that sort thing. He has to know what these people are about.

275 Lidane  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:45:10am
276 freetoken  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:45:16am
277 Targetpractice  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:45:27am

re: #266 Kragar

Roads?

Where we’re going, we don’t need…roads.

//

278 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:45:48am

re: #266 Kragar

Roads?

Aqueducts.

279 darthstar  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:45:57am
280 GeneJockey  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:46:42am

re: #259 Lidane

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The best line from that article:

“Boehner’s pickle is revealed in even starker relief …”

281 Kragar  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:46:48am

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

Doesn’t work as an analogy: The Light Brigade inflicted serious losses among the crews of the Russian guns they attacked at Balaclava, and given the lack of education in Russia, those were men the czar’s army could ill-afford to lose.

It’s more like the IJN at The Battle of Surigao Strait.

I was thinking more of a miscommunication and various leaders having grudges against each other ending up with them making a near suicidal attack, plus it spoofs Bachmann’s earlier failed references, but your example works as well.

282 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:47:39am

re: #276 freetoken

Which one wins the facepalm-of-the-morning award?

Ben Carson: Obamacare worst thing ‘since slavery’

Snowden rewarded for ‘integrity in intelligence’

I’ll go with the former. And I hate to bring Carson’s race into it but really dude you’re AA and you’re saying that mass lynchings and the system of keeping AAs second class citizens is better than ACA? I don’t care if you like ACA or not, Dr. Carson, that shows a complete disregard for history and real suffering. ACA at worse is a bad policy. The aforementioned policies though ruined this nation’s credibility to speak as a nation based on the equality of man not to mention the full out savagery.

283 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:48:11am

re: #279 darthstar

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Hey they were only 9,970 off!//

284 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:49:08am

re: #271 Kragar

Their delicate constitutions leave them susceptible to the vapors.

Nice. : )

285 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:50:48am

re: #261 jaunte

Ted Cruz: “The greatest trick the left has ever played is to convince conservatives we cannot win”

Sounds like a dog whistle version of “The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing people he didn’t exist”.

286 jaunte  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:51:47am

re: #285 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Exactly. He knows his audience.

287 ObserverArt  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:51:51am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

I’ll go with the former. And I hate to bring Carson’s race into it but really dude you’re AA and you’re saying that mass lynchings and the system of keeping AAs second class citizens is better than ACA? I don’t care if you like ACA or not, Dr. Carson, that shows a complete disregard for history and real suffering. ACA at worse is a bad policy. The aforementioned policies though ruined this nation’s credibility to speak as a nation based on the equality of man not to mention the full out savagery.

Shhhh. He’s doing his Tom character and speaking to white crazy people. You know how they are.

/// just a little

288 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:53:45am

re: #231 Killgore Trout

And a dog bites a man.

Why waste time with this?

289 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 10:59:21am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Hey they were only 9,970 off!//

Cut the semantics. #WINNING

290 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 11:00:47am

re: #285 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Sounds like a dog whistle version of “The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing people he didn’t exist”.

Oh, it is. The common thread in conservative talk radio is how evil ‘the left’ and ‘liberals’ are. Oh, and conservatism is awesome too.

291 allegro  Fri, Oct 11, 2013 11:09:37am

re: #261 jaunte

Ted Cruz: “The greatest trick the left has ever played is to convince conservatives we cannot win”

So pointing and laughing really does work then. Cool.

292 DaveBarnes  Sat, Oct 12, 2013 9:25:40am

The CIA did not “drop the ball”.
They got exactly what they wanted.
Their mortal enemy, the NSA, got egg on its face.


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