In Which Peggy Noonan Wrestles the Many-Armed Squid in Ink-Darkened Water

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Perhaps the greatest Peggy Noonan paragraph ever.

The program is unique in that it touches on an intimate and very human part of life, the health of one’s body, and yet normal people have been almost wholly excluded from the debate. This surely was not a bug but a feature. Given a program whose complexity is so utter and defeating that it defies any normal human attempt at comprehension, two things will happen. Those inclined to like the spirit of the thing will support it on the assumption the government knows what its doing. And the opposition will find it difficult to effectively oppose—or repeal the thing—because of the program’s bureaucratic density and complexity. It’s like wrestling a manic, many-armed squid in ink-darkened water.

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263 comments
1 Kragar  Apr 5, 2014 6:30:15pm

As opposed to the common single armed squid?

2 Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2014 6:30:45pm

10, ten arms.

3 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 5, 2014 6:34:41pm

I like mine fried.

4 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 6:35:36pm

Not just many-armed, but manic as well. This ink-spewing squid is bent on destruction.

5 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 6:35:45pm

So many repeated memes… so little… else.

6 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 5, 2014 6:35:56pm

Tentacles?
Squid?
Incomprehensibility?

So H P Lovecraft returned from the grave with opinions about health policy?

7 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 6:37:36pm

It will take many years to determine the effect of the ACA, economically and politically.

Mostly so far, it has provided jobs for pundits.

8 Political Atheist  Apr 5, 2014 6:38:34pm

My last experiences with a squid were a little less scary.

9 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 6:38:56pm

I posted this with my iPhone, by the way. Still lots of tweaking to do, but it’s getting almost as easy as the desktop version.

10 Decatur Deb  Apr 5, 2014 6:39:56pm

re: #8 Political Atheist

My last experiences with a squid were a little less scary. [Embedded image]

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Obviously, you don’t have the compassion to see this from the squid’s point-of-view.

11 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 6:40:18pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Not just many-armed, but manic as well. This ink-spewing squid is bent on destruction.

I see what you did there….

RBS

12 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 6:43:45pm

So Peggy Noonan is wrestling the Spawn of Cthulhu?

13 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 6:43:54pm

re: #2 Decatur Deb

10, ten arms.

Count them:

Little-seen giant squid caught in Tokyo Bay

Two giant squid netted off Sado Island, making six this year

14 Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2014 6:44:02pm

re: #7 freetoken

It will take many years to determine the effect of the ACA, economically and politically.

Mostly so far, it has provided jobs for pundits.

And a surplus of partisan bullshit.

15 jaunte  Apr 5, 2014 6:45:13pm
“…There are very, very few Democrats who would do ObamaCare over again. Some would do something different, but they wouldn’t do this.”

Where is she getting that?

16 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 5, 2014 6:45:22pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

So Peggy Noonan is wrestling the Spawn of Cthulhu?

Socialized medicine was the Doom that came to Sarnath.

17 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 6:48:01pm

OTTER PUPPIES!!!

18 Political Atheist  Apr 5, 2014 6:49:04pm

Charles a little tech note- screen shot of when I pull up my old Page linked previously.

19 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 6:50:28pm

re: #17 FemNaziBitch

OTTER PUPPIES!!!

The river otter was out and about at Lincoln Park Zoo today.

20 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 6:51:17pm

The reductive attempt to channel Taibbi falls flat.

21 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 6:51:59pm

re: #13 freetoken

Count them:

Little-seen giant squid caught in Tokyo Bay

Two giant squid netted off Sado Island, making six this year

ain’t no Kracken!

22 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 6:54:12pm

In another life-time, may moons ago, I worked in an insurance office. I really had no problem with Auto, Fire and Life Insurance, but Health Insurance? I stayed as far away as possible —and this was in the days of 80/20. No one had heard of HMO or PPO or a policy that paid for prescriptions.

It was confusing back then and is even worse now.

23 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 6:54:41pm

Just finished the last of the Operation Bagration based missions in Panzer Corps (a great rename of he the older game Panzer General which also features a Grand Campaign as DLC which has about 10 missions or so for every year of the war for either the eastern or western front), let the record stand that even with my armored troops driving nothing but Tigers and King Tigers, I still needed to make fairly liberal use of the restart button (not h quicksave button, I always restarted every mission from the first turn when something went wrong for me) to get my troops through in one piece,

With any luck putting down the Warsaw Uprising will seem like a cake walk by comparison. If nothing else my elite infantry may finally get a chance to do something rather than just cool their heels, while tanks, artillery and my air force do all the actual fighting.

House to house battles probably prove relaxing after going up against wave after wave of Russian Armor!

24 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 6:55:19pm
The program is unique in that it touches on an intimate and very human part of life, the health of one’s body, and yet normal people have been almost wholly excluded from the debate.

I would have broken this into two sentences.

25 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 6:56:40pm
And the opposition will find it difficult to effectively oppose—or repeal the thing—because of the program’s bureaucratic density and complexity.

I think a comma is missing here.

26 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 6:58:54pm
27 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 6:58:57pm

re: #23 jamesfirecat

The only way it matters if you stall the Red Army enough to allow the western Allies to occupy more of Germany than they did historically.

28 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 7:00:20pm

When I was a young lad, I would occasionally glimps and read a piece of the WSJ. I would imagine that smart, capable people read it and hoped that one day I would be one of them men. Then I grew up and read the comment section. Boy I was wayyyy off.

29 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 7:01:25pm

re: #24 FemNaziBitch

I would have broken this into two sentences.

Here, this might make more sense:

˙ǝʇɐqǝp ǝɥʇ ɯoɹɟ pǝpnlɔxǝ ʎlloɥʍ ʇsoɯlɐ uǝǝq ǝʌɐɥ ǝldoᷝ lɐɯɹou ʇǝʎ puɐ ‘ʎpoq s’ǝuo ɟo ɥʇlɐǝɥ ǝɥʇ ‘ǝɟıl ɟo ʇɹ┍ uɐɯnɥ ʎɹǝʌ puɐ ǝʇɐɯıʇuı uɐ uo sǝɥɔnoʇ ʇı ʇɐɥʇ uı ǝnbıun sı ɯɐɹƃo➝ ǝɥʇ

30 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 7:03:24pm

Peggy Noonan is, probably, paid a 6-figure salary, to produce word salads that in the end mean nothing.

Nice job, if you can get it.

31 sauceruney  Apr 5, 2014 7:03:59pm

My head still hurts from reading Suey Park.

32 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 7:05:03pm

re: #18 Political Atheist

Charles a little tech note- screen shot of when I pull up my old Page linked previously.

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What device is this?

33 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 7:05:29pm

Suspected Gunman in Custody After Hawaiian Gardens Standoff

34 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 7:06:14pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

The only way it matters if you stall the Red Army enough to allow the western Allies to occupy more of Germany than they did historically.

Oh i am fairly sure I will, I have managed to avoid having my core suffer the sort of attrition that wore down the rest of the German Army so I still have massive amounts of air support to call in as needed (nine fighters, four Anti-tank Stukas, four strategic bombers) and I am going to be cashing in a lot of my stored up prestiege to get some of those new M-262s comming down the pipeline sent to my fighter jocks. The red air force has become disturbingly competent since Kursk and they closed the gap technologically more or less (last few missions I have been making heavy use of three antiair guns which I normally do not make use of at all!) but once I get those things I should be able to swat the red airforces best from the sky with ease!

By the way Panzer Corp at $20 is a great buy if you need something to play on your iPad, really makes the hour and a half commute by subway train just fly by!

35 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 7:06:48pm

re: #29 freetoken

Here, this might make more sense:

˙ǝʇɐqǝp ǝɥʇ ɯoɹɟ pǝpnlɔxǝ ʎlloɥʍ ʇsoɯlɐ uǝǝq ǝʌɐɥ ǝldoᷝ lɐɯɹou ʇǝʎ puɐ ‘ʎpoq s’ǝuo ɟo ɥʇlɐǝɥ ǝɥʇ ‘ǝɟıl ɟo ʇɹ┍ uɐɯnɥ ʎɹǝʌ puɐ ǝʇɐɯıʇuı uɐ uo sǝɥɔnoʇ ʇı ʇɐɥʇ uı ǝnbıun sı ɯɐɹƃo➝ ǝɥʇ

ah!

36 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 7:08:38pm
Richard Landers Jr. was taken by his grandparents in July 1994 during a custody dispute in Wolcottville, IN, near Fort Wayne.

Just a few months ago, police were given Landers’ Social Security number, and through it they tracked Landers down in Minnesota. He is now 24 years old.

Landers is said to be overwhelmed by the news about his personal history. He plans to make a public statement on Monday (Jan. 14).

37 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 7:12:23pm
38 Political Atheist  Apr 5, 2014 7:12:59pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Just my home clone PC Win 7 Pro. Chrome.

39 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 7:13:03pm

re: #34 jamesfirecat

Oh i am fairly sure I will, I have managed to avoid having my core suffer the sort of attrition that wore down the rest of the German Army so I still have massive amounts of air support to call in as needed (nine fighters, four Anti-tank Stukas, four strategic bombers) and I am going to be cashing in a lot of my stored up prestiege to get some of those new M-262s comming down the pipeline sent to my fighter jocks. The red air force has become disturbingly competent since Kursk and they closed the gap technologically more or less (last few missions I have been making heavy use of three antiair guns which I normally do not make use of at all!) but once I get those things I should be able to swat the red airforces best from the sky with ease!

By the way Panzer Corp at $20 is a great buy if you need something to play on your iPad, really makes the hour and a half commute by subway train just fly by!

Can you play as one of the Allied nations or only as the Jerries? And as a German commander, can you find yourself transferred west to lead “The Watch on the Rhine”?

40 palomino  Apr 5, 2014 7:14:17pm

So now the problem with Obamacare is that it’s too big to repeal?

Of course it’s a big program. What’s the point of federal health care legislation if it doesn’t eventually cover tens of millions of uninsured?

Her view is what I can’t stand about the modern GOP, establishment or teabag varieties. They just don’t care enough to look at other countries and how things work there; they refuse to believe we can learn anything from another nation’s policies or experiences.

And she, like her co-ideologues, really doesn’t give a shit about working class and poor people. She’s got no solutions for them, she’s another “let them eat cake” pseudo-aristocrat.

As my cardiologist (hardly a radical) told me the other day: “Our system is a wreck…we spend twice as much as any other country for worse outcomes because we have little emphasis on preventative care. Emergency room as a first resort is a disaster. And Canada isn’t perfect, but it and France and most of Europe have much more efficient systems and their people live longer.” (I was his last appt of the day, so we talked for a while. And obviously I’m paraphrasing as I don’t secretly record my doctor visits.)

42 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 7:21:57pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

Can you play as one of the Allied nations or only as the Jerries? And as a German commander, can you find yourself transferred west to lead “The Watch on the Rhine”?

The base game I Jerries only, there is an expansion called Allied Corps that is DLC which is more or less exactly what it sounds like, though at the moment it is limited to playing as England and or the US.

The base game is $20 for $60 more after that you can get Allied Corp, Afrika Korps (which is basically a string of missions as long as the normal game taking place in various parts of he the Middle East/Africa) and the Grand Campaign which as I said is about 10 mission in each year,

After 1941 and comming within a hairs breath of Moscow you can have about a third of of your forces transferred to the Western Front, then Ten missions that sum up defending against commando raids, and Scily /Italy. After that ten missions involving D-Day and Market Garden, and finally ten mission involving the Battle of the Bulge and wringing down the Curtain so to speak.

The Grand Campaigns only real problem is that it is a marathon not a spring and much like with XCOM if you start to win you will probably continue to win (I coasted through the entire year of 1941 without ever needing to reload a mission or losing a core unit) though the way the difficulty ramps up when you arrive in Stalingrad and near Krusk will be happy to give you a nice history lesson on why the. Nazis lost the war.

Does that answer all your questions Dark?

43 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 7:24:34pm

Hello! Got some stuff. Comments from The Intercept…

44 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 7:25:24pm
45 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 7:27:13pm

re: #44 Gus

[Embedded content]

Ice cream Mandrake, children’s ice cream!

46 jaunte  Apr 5, 2014 7:28:40pm

re: #43 Gus

That’s quite an exotic mix of readers he’s attracting.

47 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 7:28:51pm

re: #45 jamesfirecat

Ice cream Mandrake, children’s ice cream!

The Intercept has a lot of crossover appeal. Alex Jones, Firedoglake, The Blaze, Glenn Beck, CATO, EIEIO.

48 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 7:29:32pm

re: #46 jaunte

That’s quite an exotic mix of readers he’s attracting.

It’s a hedge fund of comments. Sort of like the moneyman, Omidyar.

49 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 7:30:00pm

re: #46 jaunte

That’s quite an exotic mix of readers he’s attracting.

The Intercept: it’s not just for emoprogs anymore.

50 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 5, 2014 7:30:03pm

re: #47 Gus

The Intercept has a lot of crossover appeal. Alex Jones, Firedoglake, The Blaze, Glenn Beck, CATO, EIEIO.

Anyone who might have posted here in the past, but got blocked, flounced?

51 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 7:30:24pm

52 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 7:30:45pm

re: #50 Pie-onist Overlord

Anyone who might have posted here in the past, but got blocked, flounced?

Not that I noticed.

53 jaunte  Apr 5, 2014 7:31:57pm

re: #48 Gus

I noticed one comment about how we “might not even be able to trust the internet anymore.”

54 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 7:32:28pm

re: #53 jaunte

I noticed one comment about how we “might not even be able to trust the internet anymore.”

oy vey

55 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 7:32:30pm

re: #53 jaunte

I noticed one comment about how we “might not even be able to trust the internet anymore.”

Nope, you can’t! //

56 FemNaziBitch  Apr 5, 2014 7:32:33pm

bbl

57 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 7:32:50pm

58 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 7:33:11pm

Made that this morning.

59 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 7:34:45pm

re: #42 jamesfirecat

Does that answer all your questions Dark?

That answers my question. Well, maybe if you play it just right the last mission will let see if a Maus can roar.

60 Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2014 7:34:53pm

re: #18 Political Atheist

Something went wrong with that page, not sure what. Could be a clash between some old and new code. Only way to fix it might be to re-post.

61 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 7:39:53pm

Ugh, cramps.

62 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 7:40:05pm

The outrage over the outrage over Eich is, I can only conclude, coming from the fact that the original outrage actually proved effectual in achieving its goal (the removal of Eich.)

Unlike the religious right boycott of Disney, which didn’t seem to cause much change at all at Disney.

63 Ming  Apr 5, 2014 7:40:43pm

re: #7 freetoken

It will take many years to determine the effect of the ACA, economically and politically…

Of course we’ll need to wait for the data. But the ACA isn’t nearly as mysterious as Peggy Noonan wants us to believe.

The ACA is quite similar to what Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts, and apparently that has worked out very well.

Peggy Noonan wants to blame President Obama for all the complexities of modern health care. This is an extraordinary reach, and I think it says a lot about her personal ethics.

64 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 7:42:52pm

re: #63 Ming

Noonan’s writing is invariant to ethics. Her purpose at WSJ or wherever she gets published is to provide a veneer of reasonableness on top of the frothy wingnuttia below.

65 Political Atheist  Apr 5, 2014 7:43:09pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Something went wrong with that page, not sure what. Could be a clash between some old and new code. Only way to fix it might be to re-post.

Okay that’s fine glad it’s not a bigger glitch.

66 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 7:44:04pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

That answers my question. Well, maybe if you play it just right the last mission will let see if a Maus can roar.

Yes the Maus is in the game as the Uber Impratical behemoth that we all knew it would be.

It has a speed of 3 which for reference is about as fast as light infantry can walk. Granted most tanks only have a speed of five or six (The King Tiger has a speed of four) has only six shots before needing to recode (King Tiger has 8) and also costs too much given that when you upgrade your units you do not get any “trade in value” (unless it is just changing from one version of the same tank to another) you spend as much as if you had bought the tank from scratch.

Basically if you insist on proving you have the biggest hardest lump of metal on the battlefield, then feel free to buy a Maus.

I am planning on sticking with the King Tiger throughout 1945 even though they become available in mid 1944. Same way I will not be buying flying wings but instead sticking with the “tried and true” jet fighters,

I only have 13K prestiege left I have to make it count ( a King Tiger costs about 900 prestiege a Maus 1100 a M-262 costs 750 and a flying wing 1000)

Thank you for asking me this kind of stuff Dark I am always happy to chat
about what games I am playing.

You would also probably be “amused” by the set up of the Warsaw Uprising map layout.

You start on the left, Warsaw is in the middle of the map and on the left side is a huge Soviet Army that will do nothing but stay exactly where they are the entire mission,

67 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 5, 2014 7:44:10pm

The American people have been rendered insane and incapable of defending themselves, not by LSD in the water, but by the spread of dudebro conspiracist bullshit. Many of these people advocate a complete end to national security secrecy. Giving away the wrong set of such secrets could easily result in a nuclear 9-11. I don’t think I will go into detail but I think it is a real risk if we have a major media industry devoted to exposing these secrets and rewarding and protecting those who reveal them.

68 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 7:44:55pm

re: #62 freetoken

The outrage over the outrage over Eich is, I can only conclude, coming from the fact that the original outrage actually proved effectual in achieving its goal (the removal of Eich.)

Unlike the religious right boycott of Disney, which didn’t seem to cause much change at all at Disney.

Yup, it worked so I and it was a high profile head to claim. We’ll see more.
Brendan Eich is a homophobe; I’m a lesbian and neither of us deserves to lose our jobs
She runs some lesbian dating site.

Building awareness of LGBTQ issues is always great but, so far, all that’s happened from this is that one man lost his job and OKCupid got worldwide attention again. But their publicity came at the price of one man’s personal and political choices. It isn’t right that Brendan Eich lost his job because of his personal beliefs, anymore than I should lose my job because I’m a lesbian. I may not agree with him and how he feels about gay marriage, but that’s how the world works - we’re allowed to have different viewpoints and publicly punishing each other for them isn’t right. That’s not equality.

69 Ming  Apr 5, 2014 7:45:20pm

re: #64 freetoken

Noonan’s writing is invariant to ethics. Her purpose at WSJ or wherever she gets published is to provide a veneer of reasonableness on top of the frothy wingnuttia below.

I must admit, when it comes to frothy wingnuttia, she has an amazing style all her own. “Dreamy” is the word that comes to mind about what she writes.

70 jaunte  Apr 5, 2014 7:47:11pm

re: #66 jamesfirecat

They should give it a numerical value for “sinking into the muck.”

71 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 7:48:17pm

Don’t Starve has a new expansion that’s pretty fun. Just 4 bucks on steam. Seems pretty cool so far.

72 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 7:48:38pm

re: #69 Ming

I must admit, when it comes to frothy wingnuttia, she has an amazing style all her own. “Dreamy” is the word that comes to mind about what she writes.

Understanding her writing is like wrestling a manic, many-armed squid in ink-darkened water.

73 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 7:51:09pm

re: #70 jaunte

They should give it a numerical value for “sinking into the muck.”

Saddly they did not go quite so far as to make it so that you can not even drive it across bridges.

Like I said it is a White Elephant since you have already had access to King Tigers for a bunch of missions beforehand and they are already tough enough that the computer flat out will not attack them with any unit it has so long as they are in open terrain since no soviet tank (even their IS-2) can go toe to toe with them and come out ahead.

74 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 7:51:43pm

re: #66 jamesfirecat

I like this sort of conversation. Thought: Historically, Boeing B-17G Flying Fortresses involved in cross-Europe shuttle-bombing raids (Operation FRANTIC) did mount some supply drops to the Polish Home Army (AK). I wonder if that will happen here and what happens if you capture a supply drop (as several German units in France actually did pre-OVERLORD).

Note: I write Allied operation names in ALLCAPS, Axis operation names are in italics.

75 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 7:53:07pm

This AP story, by MARTHA MENDOZA (heh, it’s the AP which uses all caps), is a particularly bad handling of the issue, replete with search for quotes to mine from the ego-driven, like Robert P. George and Andrew Sullivan:

Mozilla CEO resignation raises free-speech issues

Full of very muddled thinking.

I’ll take part of that back - while much of it is muddled thinking, some of it is just dishonesty.

People are jockeying for public positions regardless of any actual argument.

76 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 7:53:14pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

I bought Goat Simulator. Good for a couple hours of fun for the price of 2 beers at the pub.

77 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 5, 2014 7:55:13pm

Gun Pr0n AND a Fake Quote!

78 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 7:55:27pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

I like this sort of conversation. Thought: Historically, Boeing B-17G Flying Fortresses involved in cross-Europe shuttle-bombing raids (Operation FRANTIC) did mount some supply drops to the Polish Home Army (AK). I wonder if that will happen here and what happens if you capture a supply drop (as several German units in France actually did pre-OVERLORD).

Note: I write Allied operation names in ALLCAPS, Axis operation names are in italics.

According to the mission breifing I can expect to see at least some American Airpower in the area though any Red Army air assets are currently grounded/staying on the defensive.

I doubt I will be able to capture the supply drops but the game does go to surprisingly lengths in order to replicate little bits of history here and there.

(For example a particular anti-air battery at the Modlin Fortress in Poland got more kills than any other Polish battery so in game that unit has buffed stats. Another example is you have to Capture (well at least have to try and capture) Pavlov’s house when you are assaulting Stalingrad and are able to have your bombers attack barges full of soviet reinforcements who are being ferried across the river from the other side off map.)

Also believe me, you feel the arrival of the fifth guard tank army at Prokhorovka, a pile of over strength (means they have plenty of time to rest and refit before going into battle) three star experience (when most enemies you fight in that mission have only two stars) Red army tanks will roll at you out of the fog of war like there is no tomorrow.

79 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 7:56:08pm

re: #77 Pie-onist Overlord

Gun Pr0n AND a Fake Quote!

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Quote? What fake quote? //

80 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 7:56:21pm

That’s such a classic news-story-by-formula wire piece.

Find a hot issue.

Find a supporter.
Find a non-supporter.
Find someone indeterminate.

Provide some magical balance fairy dust to cover up the false equivalencies, and voila - a wire story.

81 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 7:56:41pm

re: #73 jamesfirecat

Saddly they did not go quite so far as to make it so that you can not even drive it across bridges.

Like I said it is a White Elephant since you have already had access to King Tigers for a bunch of missions beforehand and they are already tough enough that the computer flat out will not attack them with any unit it has so long as they are in open terrain since no soviet tank (even their IS-2) can go toe to toe with them and come out ahead.

Well, there are always TU-2s and IL-10s. NATO gave the latter the reporting name ‘Beast’ and its easy to see why. The IL-2’s successor in the Sturmovik role, it was a brutally effective tank buster.

82 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 7:56:52pm

re: #76 Amory Blaine

I bought Goat Simulator. Good for a couple hours of fun for the price of 2 beers at the pub.

Yeah, it cheap enough but didn’t look like a lot of replay value. I might pick it up someday but I’ll pass on it for now.

83 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 5, 2014 7:57:39pm

re: #79 Gus

Quote? What fake quote? //

There is a Fake Quote underneath the photo of the Semi-Clothed Hottie Holding A Gun

84 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 7:57:42pm

re: #79 Gus

Quote? What fake quote? //

Heh, my take was -

Porn? What Porn?

85 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 7:58:14pm

Aren’t all good American women suppose to walk around in cut off shorts and halter tops, stroking guns?

86 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 7:58:47pm
87 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 7:58:57pm

Cat.

88 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 7:59:56pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Disclaimer I was drunk when I bought it (on maibock no less.Maibocks usually have goats on the label).

89 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 8:00:52pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Well, there are always TU-2s and IL-10s. NATO gave the latter the reporting name ‘Beast’ and its easy to see why. The IL-2’s successor in the Sturmovik role, it was a brutally effective tank buster.

Yeah, that is why modern warfare is all about combined arms after all.

Even the mighty King Tiger is defenseless against attacks from the air, that is why I have so many fighters to give Iron Gustsav things to think about other than shooting up my pretty little kitties…

90 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 8:00:57pm

re: #78 jamesfirecat

According to the mission breifing I can expect to see at least some American Airpower in the area though any Red Army air assets are currently grounded/staying on heat defensive.

I doubt I will be able to capture the supply drops but the game does go to surprisingly lengths in order to replicate little bits of history here and there.

(For example a particular anti-air battery at the Modlin Fortress in Poland got more kills than any other Polish battery so in game that unit has buffed stats. Another example is you have to Capture (well at least have to try and capture) Pavlov’s house when you are assaulting Stalingrad and are able to have your bombers attack barges full of soviet reinforcements who are being ferried across the river from the other side off map.)

Well, if its US airpower then you’re looking at the small number of attacks 8th Air Force made on German troops that RAF Photo-Recon (PR) Mosquitoes found in the open. I don’t think I have to warn you not to over-concentrate your forces, but remember that massed B-17 attacks are devastating to any ground units caught in the bombed area.

91 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 8:02:34pm

I find it ridiculous that the AP can’t distinguish between an employee of a company and a CEO.

92 klys  Apr 5, 2014 8:04:07pm

I invited my neighbors over for drinks, snacks, and comparing travel photos.

I feel adult and social.

Go me!

93 klys  Apr 5, 2014 8:04:48pm

re: #92 klys

I invited my neighbors over for drinks, snacks, and comparing travel photos.

I feel adult and social.

Go me!

Also, RBS, I need feedback on that avocado slaw, because that is on the potential dinner menu if they stay for dinner. Please provide!

94 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 8:05:38pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Well, if its US airpower then you’re looking at the small number of attacks 8th Air Force made on German troops that RAF Photo-Recon (PR) Mosquitoes found in the open. I don’t think I have to warn you not to over-concentrate your forces, but remember that massed B-17 attacks are devastating to any ground units caught in the bombed area.

Not a problem in this case, like I said with nine fighters able to run interception (basically if you try and attack a ground unit next to the fighter, the fight gets to automatically attack you first) for my ground forces, I doubt I will have much trouble winning control of the skies.

I might even get more aggressive with my birds than normal, from what I can see as a preliminary view of the map the Polish AA is pretty weak tea compared to what the Soviets were throwing at me, my special Stuka Group lead by Hans Rudle might end up going on some “Wild Weasel” missions to take them out to clear the way for the rest of my flyers…

95 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 8:05:57pm

re: #93 klys

Also, RBS, I need feedback on that avocado slaw, because that is on the potential dinner menu if they stay for dinner. Please provide!

oh, haven’t fixed it yet… probably do it tomorrow… Sorry.

RBS

96 klys  Apr 5, 2014 8:06:31pm

re: #95 RealityBasedSteve

oh, haven’t fixed it yet… probably do it tomorrow… Sorry.

RBS

No worries, the date is set for April 24th. (The house still need cleaning.)

I have time.

97 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 8:09:05pm

Remember how adults used to discuss ideas?
Youtube Video

98 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 8:09:32pm

re: #96 klys

No worries, the date is set for April 24th. (The house still need cleaning.)

I have time.

OK… I’m probably going to roast a chicken tomorrow, it would be a good side with that…

RBS

99 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 5, 2014 8:12:10pm

So if we’re really treating Eich’s donation as speech, then his “statement” by giving money to the Prop 8 drive must be coherent with the message presented.

So his statement was in keeping with the Prop 8 ads in which gays are presented as actively recruiting children who’ve they’ve conspired to confuse sexually.

So it’s a couple of shades beyond “his opinion of gay marriage is not mine” and more into “gays are child-manipulating not-people.”

100 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 8:12:56pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

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Yeah, there are some positive things about being square. Then came Morton Downy Jr.

101 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 8:15:01pm

What a loss. Sure you’ve already heard. Click on the link to see her work.

102 klys  Apr 5, 2014 8:15:14pm

Hey Gus, question.

That guy (Richwine) we all were outraged about, who graduated from Harvard with the thesis about how Hispanics were less intelligent and would drag the country down: outrage justified or no?

After all, it cost him his job.

103 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 8:15:24pm

re: #94 jamesfirecat

Not a problem in this case, like I said with nine fighters able to run interception (basically if you try and attack a ground unit next to the fighter, the fight gets to automatically attack you first) for my ground forces, I doubt I will have much trouble winning control of the skies.

I might even get more aggressive with my birds than normal, from what I can see as a preliminary view of the map the Polish AA is pretty weak tea compared to what the Soviets were throwing at me, my special Stuka Group lead by Hans Rudle might end up going on some “Wild Weasel” missions to take them out to clear the way for the rest of my flyers…

9 fighters? That ain’t gonna be enough, boyo! These are B-17Gs, James, and the missions in question tended to feature formations of 36 of them. Each group of 6 bombers flew in a tight formation called the ‘Combat Box’ to mass their firepower, USAAF doctrine called for stacking 3 combat boxes (18 aircraft) vertically and having the second stack of 18 following close behind. And each one of those B-17Gs carried 12 M2 .50 cal MGs. You can do the math.

No 9 fighters the Luftwaffe had could stand a chance against 36 Flying Forts of the Mighty 8th!

Image: b17-formation.jpg

104 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 8:18:21pm

re: #102 klys

Hey Gus, question.

That guy (Richwine) we all were outraged about, who graduated from Harvard with the thesis about how Hispanics were less intelligent and would drag the country down: outrage justified or no?

After all, it cost him his job.

Well, since it would reflect on his task as an educator it could be said that Harvard was justified in firing him.

105 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 8:18:58pm

Noam Chomsky: The Passing of William F. Buckley

Youtube Video

106 klys  Apr 5, 2014 8:19:08pm

re: #104 Gus

Well, since it would reflect on his task as an educator it could be said that Harvard was justified in firing him.

He worked for Heritage, not Harvard.

But you mean like a CEO’s beliefs might reflect on attracting talent?

107 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 8:19:10pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

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St. Louis for many many years had a show called “Donnybrook”, it was a good give and take between a number of people on all sides of the political spectrum. They sometimes got heated, but you had the feeling that that after the show was done taping, they went and had a beer or two at the bar and just related to each other as people.

RBS

108 Romantic Heretic  Apr 5, 2014 8:19:20pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Don’t Starve has a new expansion that’s pretty fun. Just 4 bucks on steam. Seems pretty cool so far.

I’m still feeling my way through XCOM.

Damn, It’s tough.

109 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 8:19:53pm

re: #100 Gus

Yeah, there are some positive things about being square. Then came Morton Downy Jr.

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I’m old enough to remember Reverend Al on that show.

110 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 8:20:16pm

re: #106 klys

He worked for Heritage, not Harvard.

But you mean like a CEO’s beliefs might reflect on attracting talent?

Oh, right Heritage. I don’t know. Wasn’t really thinking about all that anymore and was moving on to my next targets on Twitter.

111 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 8:22:39pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

9 fighters? That ain’t gonna be enough, boyo! These are B-17Gs, James, and the missions in question tended to feature formations of 36 of them. Each group of 6 bombers flew in a tight formation called the ‘Combat Box’ to mass their firepower, USAAF doctrine called for stacking 3 combat boxes (18 aircraft) vertically and having the second stack of 18 following close behind. And each one of those B-17Gs carried 12 M2 .50 cal MGs. You can do the math.

No 9 fighters the Luftwaffe had could stand a chance against 36 Flying Forts of the Mighty 8th!

Image: b17-formation.jpg

Well when I say “nine” fighters I mean nine “units” of fighters. The game has always been cagey/saw no reason to describe exactly how many actual fighters/artillery pieces/tanks/men make up a ten strength (the standard full strength setting for this game). So those “nine fighters” could be better more effectively viewed as nine fighter squadron/wings/groups.

The general idea is that this allows me to split my forces (and believe me as all mission in Panzer Corp are on by clock being able to split your forces effectively so you can attack in many different places at the same time without getting ground down piecemeal) and insure no attacking group does not have adequate air coverage.

Though I imagine when I go back and replay the Western Front missions I am going to have no choice but invest heavily in antiair guns, I probably will not like the results if I just try and match fighter to fighter with the US and England, my fighters are good, but not that much better than spitfires/mustangs.

112 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 8:23:43pm

re: #108 Romantic Heretic

I’m still feeling my way through XCOM.

Damn, It’s tough.

Someday you will get access to psychics, and snipers with double tap.

Then you wills drive your enemies before you and hear the Lamentations of their women. It will be glorious, trust me.

(Have beaten the game on non iron man classic)

113 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 8:29:46pm

re: #111 jamesfirecat

Well when I say “nine” fighters I mean nine “units” of fighters. The game has always been cagey/saw no reason to describe exactly how many actual fighters/artillery pieces/tanks/men make up a ten strength (the standard full strength setting for this game). So those “nine fighters” could be better more effectively viewed as nine fighter squadron/wings/groups.

The general idea is that this allows me to split my forces (and believe me as all mission in Panzer Corp are on by clock being able to split your forces effectively so you can attack in many different places at the same time without getting ground down piecemeal) and insure no attacking group does not have adequate air coverage.

Though I imagine when I go back and replay the Western Front missions I am going to have no choice but invest heavily in antiair guns, I probably will not like the results if I just try and match fighter to fighter with the US and England, my fighters are good, but not that much better than spitfires/mustangs.

Even so, don’t bunch up too much when out of urban terrain. Some of the B-17s will get past your defenses.

114 PhillyPretzel  Apr 5, 2014 8:29:46pm

I am still not accustomed to LGF on my iPhone let alone responding but I am thankful that Charles has made it easier to use an iPhone on this blog.

115 Romantic Heretic  Apr 5, 2014 8:29:46pm

re: #112 jamesfirecat

Someday you will get access to psychics, and snipers with double tap.

Then you wills drive your enemies before you and hear the Lamentations fo their women. It will be glorious, trust me.

(Have beaten the game on non iron man classic)

Well done.

My biggest problem is deciding which nations I want to keep in the Coalition. I’ve got a couple of spare satellites to keep panic down, but I can’t save everybody.

116 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 8:34:28pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

Even so, don’t bunch up too much when out of urban terrain. Some of the B-17s will get past your defenses.

True enough, bunching up is how you wind up with nowhere to run when you really need to and that can lead to men surrendering in car load lots.

My number one plan /worry is to be careful not to let my tanks get caught up in the city fighting, I pulled too many strings/spent too much prestige on those Kings Tigers to start losing them when some idiot with a Molotov Cocktail manages to get close.

That is why this attack is going to look more like something from WW1, lots of artillery providing suppressive fire followed up by infantry doing the dirty work, and keeping my eyes open for courtyards/other terrain where I can safely park themselves to deal with any armored vehicles the Polish are bringing to the dance.

117 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 8:37:29pm

re: #115 Romantic Heretic

Well done.

My biggest problem is deciding which nations I want to keep in the Coalition. I’ve got a couple of spare satellites to keep panic down, but I can’t save everybody.

They only drop out if they reach 5 panic and stay that way for the better part of a month including one day when they are at the end of the month/the day the report comes in.

Remember that, and remember that if a place has a sat over it at the start of the month there can not be alien abductions in that area.

So save your sats for the last day of the month either to drop them on places with panic five, or some place with relatively high panic just so honest you make more money (you get the extra money once you announce your plans to have it get sat coverage, not the three days later when it is actually operational)

118 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 8:37:43pm

re: #105 Gus

Noam Chomsky: The Passing of William F. Buckley

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Interesting. I would have thought he’d be more…..diplomatic about it. Oh, well. he’s a douche.

119 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 8:39:00pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Interesting. I would have thought he’d be more…..diplomatic about it. Oh, well. he’s a douche.

Yeah, he went off on a tangent.

120 klys  Apr 5, 2014 8:43:51pm

re: #119 Gus

2008 - Barack Obama on Gay Marriage

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Killgore Trout

Yeah, he went off on a tangent.

If he endorses gay marriage before the 2012 election he’s totally fucked!

Oh wait.

It’s like, no one can ever sincerely change their minds. And acknowledge that fact.

121 PhillyPretzel  Apr 5, 2014 8:43:56pm

::: puts iPhone aside and pulls out notebook computer :::

That is better. I up-dinged Gus and took out a favorite. This is going to take a lot more practice.

122 Gus  Apr 5, 2014 8:45:14pm

re: #120 klys

If he endorses gay marriage before the 2012 election he’s totally fucked!

Oh wait.

It’s like, no one can ever sincerely change their minds. And acknowledge that fact.

Oops, was saving that. Guilty!

Seriously, was mulling over a response and left that in there.

OK, I’m leaving now.

123 Dark_Falcon  Apr 5, 2014 8:45:38pm

re: #115 Romantic Heretic

Well done.

My biggest problem is deciding which nations I want to keep in the Coalition. I’ve got a couple of spare satellites to keep panic down, but I can’t save everybody.

You’re using satellite surveillance?! YOU’RE SPYIN’ ON FOLKS AND CRUSHIN’ THEIR FREEDOM, MAN!

Seriously, a game like that should have the sats cause some panic of their own, given the hysteria whipped up by Glenn Greenwald and his Dudebro Legion.

124 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 8:46:09pm

re: #121 PhillyPretzel

::: puts iPhone aside and pulls out notebook computer :::

That is better. I up-dinged Gus and took out a favorite. This is going to take a lot more practice.

It’s useless.

With the text the size that I like I am always favoriting posts by mistake.

And also down dinging posts by mistake also but that is something a guy can fix without leaving to go to his favorites page to give it a much needed pruning.

125 Romantic Heretic  Apr 5, 2014 8:46:17pm

re: #117 jamesfirecat

They only drop out if they reach 5 panic and stay that way for the better part of a month including one day when they are at the end of the month/the day the report comes in.

Remember that, and remember that if a place has a sat over it at the start of the month there can not be alien abductions in that area.

So save your sats for the last day of the month either to drop them on places with panic five, or some place with relatively high panic just so honest you make more money (you get the extra money once you announce your plans to have it get sat coverage, not the three days later when it is actually operational)

Thanks for the advice.

I’m still picking my way through base building and research. I made some laser rifles today which I found made my assault troops much better. With shotguns they were not much good at anything other than short range. Now they can shoot at things farther way.

I’ve read though that you should skip straight through to plasma weapons though.

We’ll see.

126 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 8:47:34pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

You’re using satellite surveillance?! YOU’RE SPYIN’ ON FOLKS AND CRUSHIN’ THEIR FREEDOM, MAN!

Seriously, a game like that should have the sats cause some panic of their own, given the hysteria whipped up by Glenn Greenwald and his Dudebro Legion.

That’s what EXALT is for. At least I think that is what they are for,have not gotten around to playing Enemy Within yet even though I bought it/got the money to buy it on steam for my Birthday.

127 klys  Apr 5, 2014 8:47:47pm

re: #122 Gus

Oops, was saving that. Guilty!

Seriously, was mulling over a response and left that in there.

OK, I’m leaving now.

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Remember how adults used to discuss ideas?

Since you updinged that, I figured you agree.

128 PhillyPretzel  Apr 5, 2014 8:47:50pm

re: #124 jamesfirecat

Yes, I know. That is why I am on my MacBook Pro. The iPhone is good but I am not that good on it, yet.

129 Romantic Heretic  Apr 5, 2014 8:49:09pm

re: #126 jamesfirecat

That’s what EXALT is for. At least I think that is what they are for,have not gotten around to playing Enemy Within yet even though I bought it/got the money to buy it on steam for my Birthday.

Enemy Within has Mechs! That will probably be my luxury purchase next month.

130 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 8:52:23pm

re: #125 Romantic Heretic

Thanks for the advice.

I’m still picking my way through base building and research. I made some laser rifles today which I found made my assault troops much better. With shotguns they were not much good at anything other than short range. Now they can shoot at things farther way.

I’ve read though that you should skip straight through to plasma weapons though.

We’ll see.

No, laser weapons are quality,

Also the big thing is that your assault troops should get whatever the skill is that lets them shoot twice for -20 to aim. Also you want lightning reflexes.

A big part about how to properly use assault troops is being willing to have them turn on run and gun, run up right next to some X-ray in cover dodging reaction shot plasma in the process and blow them to bits before they get another turn.

That is one third of XCOM another third is snipers with “s.c.o.p.es and an effective 115 AIM double tapping anything any of your soldiers can see via squad sight. The last third is the abuse of mental powers against foes in full cover.

131 EPR-radar  Apr 5, 2014 8:53:14pm

Noonan speaks from experience here. She is an expert at emitting clouds of squid ink to cover up the underlying wingnuttiness of most RW policy positions these days.

132 klys  Apr 5, 2014 8:54:22pm

re: #131 EPR-radar

Noonan speaks from experience here. She is an expert at emitting clouds of squid ink to cover up the underlying wingnuttiness of most RW policy positions these days.

Sad is how many people buy into it, because ‘tolerance.’

133 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 8:55:00pm

re: #129 Romantic Heretic

Enemy Within has Mechs! That will probably be my luxury purchase next month.

For now just content yourself with watching what happens when one goes toe to toe with a Sectopod.

Youtube Video

134 Romantic Heretic  Apr 5, 2014 8:59:20pm

re: #130 jamesfirecat

No, laser weapons are quality,

Also the big thing is that your assault troops should get whatever the skill is that lets them shoot twice for -20 to aim. Also you want lightning reflexes.

A big part about how to properly use assault troops is being willing to have them turn on run and gun, run up right next to some X-ray in cover dodging reaction shot plasma in the process and blow them to bits before they get another turn.

That is one third of XCOM another third is snipers with “s.c.o.p.es and an effective 115 AIM double tapping anything any of your soldiers can see via squad sight. The last third is the abuse of mental powers against foes in full cover.

That’s been my choices so far for assaults and snipers. I’m researching heavy lasers now hoping to give my heavies a little extra oomph.

135 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 9:01:31pm

re: #134 Romantic Heretic

That’s been my choices so far for assaults and snipers. I’m researching heavy lasers now hoping to give my heavies a little extra oomph.

Also bear in mind assaults are the best people to have with psychic powers since they will by their nature frequently be the among the first to have LOS on the enemy.

Supports are also another good one since their attacks are decent but nothing to write home about.

Basically snipers get the lest use out of being psychic since why have LOs when you can use Squad Site and why use mind fray once when you could use Plasma Sniper twice?

Also the squad set up I have found tends to work well is two assaults, toe snipers, one heavy one support. Might just be my play style but there it is.

136 palomino  Apr 5, 2014 9:05:00pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

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Remember how adults used to discuss ideas?
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Yeah, I was just thinking about that show the other day. You’re right— it was totally adult compared to what we’ve mostly got today. Better than virtually anything on now.

I remember one episode specifically where McLaughlin took Charles Murray to task, as the The Bell Curve had just recently been published.

137 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 5, 2014 9:05:01pm

Well, I’m going to hang it up for the night… Dream of golden brown roasted chicken with crispy crispy skin.

RBS

138 Killgore Trout  Apr 5, 2014 9:09:44pm

re: #136 palomino

Yeah, I was just thinking about that show the other day. You’re right— it was totally adult compared to what we’ve mostly got today. Better than virtually anything on now.

I remember one episode specifically where McLaughlin took Charles Murray to task, as the The Bell Curve had just recently been published.

It’s also interesting to notice the audience for the “adult” conversation is very young. Mostly mid 20’s. I couldn’t imagine 40 year olds sitting through that today much less kids.

139 jamesfirecat  Apr 5, 2014 9:09:47pm

Well I am calling it a night, hanks for talking you guys’ and let me know if you decide to pick up Panzer Corps DF would be interested to hear what you think of the game after playing it some.

140 klys  Apr 5, 2014 9:10:01pm

re: #136 palomino

Yeah, I was just thinking about that show the other day. You’re right— it was totally adult compared to what we’ve mostly got today. Better than virtually anything on now.

I remember one episode specifically where McLaughlin took Charles Murray to task, as the The Bell Curve had just recently been published.

it’s too bad there’s no place we can go to discuss ideas as adults these days.

Like a website or anything.

Man. That just sucks. God, what I wouldn’t give for a website where adults could have a discussion.*

* By discussion, of course, I mean they all agree with my opinion. If not, I will post links to essays that *do* agree with my opinion in every thread for days. Regardless of how many times the discussion has already addressed those points.

//

141 klys  Apr 5, 2014 9:14:48pm

I found that birthday card.

On cue, when it finishes, the problem child meows. On cue.

I die.

142 Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2014 9:26:27pm

143 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 5, 2014 9:37:43pm

re: #142 Amory Blaine

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Ron Paul on Morton Downy Jr - 1988

Youtube Video

Hilarious raucus TV appearance with a chain-smoking host, eccentric guests and a wild audience

144 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 10:48:19pm

Hank Snow:

MP3 Audio

145 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 11:45:56pm

Tonight’s educational video - By the late 1950’s the US was very interested in a wide range of nuclear applications, including undersea warfare.

Operation Hardtack included experiments to further our knowledge in this previously little studied form of warfare:

Youtube Video

146 freetoken  Apr 5, 2014 11:59:36pm

Interesting to see the wave surge on the nearby islands, even from only a 10kt explosion.

147 Lidane  Apr 6, 2014 12:02:14am
It’s like wrestling a manic, many-armed squid in ink-darkened water.

So she’s wrestling the Squidbillies?

Youtube Video

148 Kragar  Apr 6, 2014 1:08:50am

re: #146 freetoken

Interesting to see the wave surge on the nearby islands, even from only a 10kt explosion.

I volunteered to get qualified in NBC reaction and decontamination training when I had the chance in the Marines. This was right after the gas attacks in Tokyo. 2 week course and we saw all kinds of video and other documentation.

There is some scary, scary shit out there.

149 Lidane  Apr 6, 2014 1:37:07am

Oh geez. I meant the Squidbillies link as a dumb joke that I figured most people wouldn’t get, but tell me that this doesn’t sound like your average TGDN/TCOT type:

Youtube Video

150 Kragar  Apr 6, 2014 2:06:07am

Fun fact: When a unit enters a possible NBC situation, they get issued with a field test kits for chemical and biological attacks. It was basically an oversized postcard with various strips and ampules glued to the card which you could expose to air, soil or water samples.

Common glass cleaner could make the test respond as positive for nerve agents. There were a few other ways to spoof the test, but all with the thought it was better to have troops gear up into full MOPP gear for nothing than have them walk into a contaminated area.

151 klys  Apr 6, 2014 2:21:14am

re: #150 Kragar

Fun fact: When a unit enters a possible NBC situation, they get issued with a field test kits for chemical and biological attacks. It was basically an oversized postcard with various strips and ampules glued to the card which you could expose to air, soil or water samples.

Common glass cleaner could make the test respond as positive for nerve agents. There were a few other ways to spoof the test, but all with the thought it was better to have troops gear up into full MOPP gear for nothing than have them walk into a contaminated area.

Ok, I’ll ask the stupid question.

I get that NBC does not stand for Network Broadcasting Corporation or whatever the heck it is in this situtation, but the furthest I’ve gotten is “nuclear blast” which still leaves the “c” unidentified. Condition?

152 dell*nix  Apr 6, 2014 2:28:17am

re: #151 klys

Nuclear, Biological and Chemical.

I had to go thru regular refresher training as I was on mobility and subject to deployment.

153 klys  Apr 6, 2014 2:41:07am

re: #152 dell*nix

Nuclear, Biological and Chemical.

I had to go thru regular refresher training as I was on mobility and subject to deployment.

Thanks. :)

My military exposure was through my grandfather (and later my aunt) who repeatedly reassured me that me and military were a bad mix.

A really bad mix.

So I’m not up on all of the acronyms.

154 Flounder  Apr 6, 2014 4:14:41am

I’m getting tired of loading my wood-stove. I am thinking this morning is the last time, fingers crossed. Good morning!

155 Decatur Deb  Apr 6, 2014 5:15:43am

re: #47 Gus 802

The Intercept has a lot of crossover appeal. Alex Jones, Firedoglake, The Blaze, Glenn Beck, CATO, EIEIO.

In the end, they employ the same thought processes (except CATO—they’re sane/evil).

156 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 6, 2014 5:54:38am
157 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 6, 2014 5:57:21am

I have to clean out the fridge.

158 andres  Apr 6, 2014 5:57:28am

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Yup, it worked so I and it was a high profile head to claim. We’ll see more.
Brendan Eich is a homophobe; I’m a lesbian and neither of us deserves to lose our jobs
She runs some lesbian dating site.

And yet, his action had real life consequences:

But, for us, this is very, very personal. Michael is a British citizen and so immigration is a big issue for us. Being a binational gay couple, up until this summer when the Supreme Court overturned Proposition 8, Michael was here on a temporary visa, tied to his job. Luckily, he loved working there, but we were not able to do anything on our own. If you leave your job, you lose your visa. So, due to Prop 8, Michael was unable to co-found a business with me.

Luckily, the Supreme Court dismissed the Prop 8 appeal. Actually, we were featured on the front page of the New York Times the day the ruling was announced! This summer, Michael and I got legally married in the US at San Francisco City Hall, in the same building that Harvey Milk was shot 40 years earlier for standing up for gay rights. It was humbling, emotional, and the best damn day of my life.

Today, Michael has a green card and we’re able to pursue this venture in the US. These days, I am so damn proud of my country for making this all possible. It’s really stunning the support we’ve received, and thank you to everyone out there who have either changed their own minds on the subject, or convinced a relative or friend that there is nothing wrong with the government recognizing our relationship. Thank you.

The overturning of Prop 8, literally was the foundation that allowed us to start this venture.

That’s why it’s personal for us. Brendan Eich was an active supporter of denying our right to be married and even to start this business. He actively took steps to ensure that rarebit couldn’t exist!

159 A Mom Anon  Apr 6, 2014 6:07:49am

re: #93 klys

Add some julienne sweet peppers, broccoli stems and shredded carrots. It’s yummy. I tried it, lol.

160 b.d.  Apr 6, 2014 6:08:55am

.re: #44 Gus 802
re: #155 Decatur Deb
ok Gus piqued my interest, these are just from yesterday’s intercept article.

Nice bunch of commenters you got there Pierre.

PB
05 Apr 2014 at 11:31 pm
This is a test. The enemies of this website have blocked my posts here.

overthrow-r1b
05 Apr 2014 at 4:48 pm
I agree wikipedia is one of the most consistently biased sources I have ever seen.

Victoria
06 Apr 2014 at 12:48 am
You must be one of those paid trolls, Oboe.

Aggrieved
05 Apr 2014 at 10:44 am
JUST DON’T USE SOCIAL MEDIA. IT IS A DRUG TO APPEASE THE MASSES INTO THINKING THEY HAVE POWER BUT ACTUALLY ONLY ZIP.

I didn’t even bother reading the longer posts except for this one which I like:

William
05 Apr 2014 at 12:25 pm
OFF TOPIC - out of last six (6) articles / posts on The Intercept, five (5) were written by Glenn Greenwald. Take Glenn out of The Intercept and what’s left?

That famed $200M investment into this project, at this juncture, could’ve been $0.00 instead, were Glenn writing on a free Blogger / Blogspot platform and the result would’ve been the same. This is quite a disappointing start for a new venture; no matter how much one may admire Glenn’s work, a venture can’t and should not lie squarely on his shoulders…

161 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 6, 2014 6:15:46am

I decided to drink a coffee to fortify myself before cleaning the fridge.

I will start by finishing off that carton of ice cream.

162 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 6, 2014 6:19:33am

I was going to buy a brand new fridge this year but I put down a large amount on vehicle delivery just to keep my monthly lease payment under $200.

The last new fridge I bought, in 2000, cost $1800. Now they’re in the $2500-$3200 range.

Also out old fridge is 35” wide and the newer ones are 36”

163 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 6, 2014 6:21:05am

I’m thinking next year going to Israel for Passover, except it’s the most freaking expensive time of the year for airplane tickets & hotel rooms.

164 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 6, 2014 6:21:59am

Fly to Frankfurt/Prague first and then to Israel?

165 Decatur Deb  Apr 6, 2014 6:23:42am

re: #164 Pie-onist Overlord

Istanbul. Stay with Izzy, hotel owner from an old Jewish family.

yesilkoypansiyon.com

166 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 6, 2014 6:24:52am

re: #163 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m thinking next year going to Israel for Passover, except it’s the most freaking expensive time of the year for airplane tickets & hotel rooms.

Sell lots of pies!

167 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 6, 2014 6:25:30am

re: #165 Decatur Deb

Istanbul. Stay with Izzy, hotel owner from an old Jewish family.

yesilkoypansiyon.com

Nice, but my daughter lives in Jerusalem so it’s kinda far to walk on Shabbat.

168 Decatur Deb  Apr 6, 2014 6:25:33am

re: #166 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Sell lots of pies!

A la mode. Always solve a problem with a problem.

169 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 6, 2014 6:26:57am

I am selling lots of wine at the Zionist Mall!

170 Decatur Deb  Apr 6, 2014 6:27:09am

re: #167 Pie-onist Overlord

Nice, but my daughter lives in Jerusalem so it’s kinda far to walk on Shabbat.

Short stay would break up the Pesach air fare—not so bad Turk Havayolari—Ben Gurion in the 90s.

171 Dark_Falcon  Apr 6, 2014 6:34:10am

re: #160 b.d.

.

ok Gus peaked my interest, these are just from yesterday’s intercept article.

Nice bunch of commenters you got there Pierre.

I didn’t even bother reading the longer posts except for this one which I like:

That’s Freep-Grade Bad Craziness right there.

172 Dark_Falcon  Apr 6, 2014 6:41:46am

re: #169 Pie-onist Overlord

I am selling lots of wine at the Zionist Mall!

clicking on most of those bottle images sends one to another website. Do you get a commission for varieties that aren’t list on your page?

173 ObserverArt  Apr 6, 2014 7:03:53am

It took me some time to realize the image attached to this thread is not Peggy Noonan.

/

174 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 6, 2014 7:15:31am

Video of a guy laying 12 inch blocks for 5 minutes.

Youtube Video

175 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 6, 2014 7:17:33am

and guys building a curved brick roof with no supports.

wimp.com

176 Bear  Apr 6, 2014 7:43:42am

It is a dead thread or else a dead computer here.

Any way Good Morning to all.

177 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 6, 2014 7:46:00am

re: #170 Decatur Deb

Short stay would break up the Pesach air fare—not so bad Turk Havayolari—Ben Gurion in the 90s.

We already planned on visiting Prague first.

178 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 6, 2014 7:47:00am

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

clicking on most of those bottle images sends one to another website. Do you get a commission for varieties that aren’t list on your page?

I have an affiliate account, the same as Charles has for Amazon. I just fixed all the links so that they go directly to the type of wine selected. The vendor changed all their links and never bothered to let me know.

179 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 6, 2014 7:47:32am

Must. Clean. Fridge.

180 Killgore Trout  Apr 6, 2014 7:55:24am

In Taliban stronghold, a scared electorate

before they cast their ballots for Afghanistan’s next president, the three men had a request. They did not want to dip their fingers in ink — the process used here to identify voters and keep them from casting more than one ballot.

“If the Taliban sees our fingers, they will kill us,” Abdul Balkhi told the employees of the election commission. “During the night they will come to our house, and what will I say?”
….
In recent days, insurgents have posted letters on nearby mosques and homes warning people not to vote. Outside the polling station, a group of stern local men surveyed the scene, watching those who entered the compound.

“Any of these people could be Taliban spies,” Balkhi said.

Coming to the polls was risky enough, but the purple ink wouldn’t fade for days, making him an even more conspicuous target. The election commission worker managing the polling site tried to make a compromise.

“My friend, we will just put a little ink.”

That’s when Balkhi stormed off.

181 Dark_Falcon  Apr 6, 2014 7:56:02am

re: #178 Pie-onist Overlord

I have an affiliate account, the same as Charles has for Amazon. I just fixed all the links so that they go directly to the type of wine selected. The vendor changed all their links and never bothered to let me know.

Cool. do you only get commission for those specific types? I ask because there are two others my mother might enjoy. If one the jobs I expect an offer from takes off, I’d like to buy her a present.

182 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 7:59:20am

re: #180 Killgore Trout

In Taliban stronghold, a scared electorate

I wonder how a glove store would fare !??!!?

/// (kinda sorta ,,,,,)

183 Killgore Trout  Apr 6, 2014 8:01:54am

Oregon tolerance update: Business owner stands up for the rights of others, gets targeted himself
Is the Furor Over a Sellwood Market Now Turning Toward Nick Zukin?

Perhaps the most-vociferous voice in the “business owners are allowed to think how they want” camp: Local restaurateur Nick Zukin, owner of Mi Mero Mole and co-owner co-founder of Kenny and Zuke’s.
…
And now: Maybe the ol’ Portland Boycott Train is swinging in Zukin’s direction? Conversation has been lively on Facebook today, after local culture maven Byron Beck took issue with the restaurateur’s response. That led to Zukin defending himself in a still-going comment thread, asking individual people why they’ll now be boycotting his eateries, and accusing the lot of Portlanders of being no better than Childs if we’d seek to ruin her for not having the same views.

Bonus: due to erroneous reports in the press they may be boycotting the wrong business.

184 Killgore Trout  Apr 6, 2014 8:03:08am

re: #182 sattv4u2

I wonder how a glove store would fare !??!!?

/// (kinda sorta ,,,,,)

Voting: free
Ink remover: priceless

185 Dark_Falcon  Apr 6, 2014 8:05:27am

re: #182 sattv4u2

I wonder how a glove store would fare !??!!?

/// (kinda sorta ,,,,,)

The Taliban would come to your house and make you take off the glove at gun point. Refuse to open the door or try to resist and they open fire. The Afghan army has gotten enough discipline and firepower to make assaulting the polling places a losing proposition, but the Talibs can still hit civilians who they’ve noted as entering the polling place.

I do question if the WaPo should have disclosed that blacklight invisible ink idea, since it might be possible for a group of Taliban to steal a blacklight and then go murdering anyone they catch with a mark.

186 Dark_Falcon  Apr 6, 2014 8:12:04am

re: #183 Killgore Trout

As far as I can tell, Chauncy Childs started off being needlessly combative. She clearly wants a confrontation with gay marriage supporters, likely to fulfill her religion-based notions of “sallying forth to do battle with Big Gay”. That being the case, she gets no sympathy from me and I’d not cross the protest line into her store.

Support for someone being targeted by zealots is one thing, but Ms. Childs deliberately called her foes to battle. If she loses that battle, it is on her own head. I’ll not fight for someone who openly flies a bigoted flag as she does.

187 Killgore Trout  Apr 6, 2014 8:14:46am

Oregon business owner pays to have youtube video taken down
Sellwood grocery controversy: Initial critic takes down video after meeting with owner

O’Riordan says he has since met with John Childs, Chauncy’s husband, and found him “to be a man who is sincere in his beliefs and passionate in discussion.” John Childs assured O’Riordan that the store would never discriminate against gays - a pledge Chauncy Childs also made in an interview with The Oregonian.

O’Riordan also confirmed that the Childs had made a donation to the Equity Foundation, a Portland LGBTQ group. And

188 FemNaziBitch  Apr 6, 2014 8:15:34am

How is it now?

It’s sunny in my world. Well, outside it’s sunny.

189 Killgore Trout  Apr 6, 2014 8:16:58am

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

As far as I can tell, Chauncy Childs started off being needlessly combative. She clearly wants a confrontation with gay marriage supporters, likely to fulfill her religion-based notions of “sallying forth to do battle with Big Gay”. That being the case, she gets no sympathy from me and I’d not cross the protest line into her store.

Support for someone being targeted by zealots is one thing, but Ms. Childs deliberately called her foes to battle. If she loses that battle, it is on her own head. I’ll not fight for someone who openly flies a bigoted flag as she does.

We can disagree on the tactics, that’s fine but now they’re targeting people who spoke out against the boycott. My business is located about 2 miles away from there, should I also be targeted?

190 FemNaziBitch  Apr 6, 2014 8:17:01am

re: #187 Killgore Trout

Oregon business owner pays to have youtube video taken down
Sellwood grocery controversy: Initial critic takes down video after meeting with owner

I made a donation; therefore, I am not prejudiced.

191 Dark_Falcon  Apr 6, 2014 8:18:31am

re: #189 Killgore Trout

We can disagree on the tactics, that’s fine but now they’re targeting people who spoke out against the boycott. My business is located about 2 miles away from there, should I also be targeted?

You wouldn’t refuse to sell your wares to a gay person, nor would you oppose them marrying which ever adult they choose, correct?

192 FemNaziBitch  Apr 6, 2014 8:19:15am

re: #174 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Video of a guy laying 12 inch blocks for 5 minutes.

[Embedded content]

My ancestors were brickmakers and stone masons.

193 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 8:20:13am

Was wondering why it’s been so quiet here at work this morning

Customer just e-mailed me that he’s been trying to get thru for 20 minutes

Our phones are down

BBIAB after I figure out WTF is going on

194 FemNaziBitch  Apr 6, 2014 8:21:34am

re: #193 sattv4u2

Was wondering why it’s been so quiet here at work this morning

Customer just e-mailed me that he’s been trying to get thru for 20 minutes

Our phones are down

BBIAB after I figure out WTF is going on

What did you do to displease your Feline Overlord?

195 Killgore Trout  Apr 6, 2014 8:23:42am

re: #190 FemNaziBitch

I made a donation; therefore, I am not prejudiced.

Yeah, it’s a desperate move and it’s not going to help. The activists are also pissed at the guy who took down the video as being a sellout.

196 Killgore Trout  Apr 6, 2014 8:24:51am

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

You wouldn’t refuse to sell your wares to a gay person, nor would you oppose them marrying which ever adult they choose, correct?

Correct but they are now targeting business owners who speak out against the boycott.

197 Killgore Trout  Apr 6, 2014 8:26:19am
198 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 6, 2014 8:28:41am

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Cool. do you only get commission for those specific types? I ask because there are two others my mother might enjoy. If one the jobs I expect an offer from takes off, I’d like to buy her a present.

I get commission for everything sold there. If you don’t see what you like on the Zionist Mall wing page, click the “Kosher Wine” banner ad on the sidebar.

199 FemNaziBitch  Apr 6, 2014 8:30:12am
200 Decatur Deb  Apr 6, 2014 8:30:42am

re: #182 sattv4u2

I wonder how a glove store would fare !??!!?

/// (kinda sorta ,,,,,)

Solutions:
1. Use UV-reactive ink.
2. Dip their fingers and give them a loaded AK—let them solve it their way.

201 Killgore Trout  Apr 6, 2014 8:31:30am

He’s also a gay right supporter but that doesn’t matter

I was very clear throughout this mess that I was a strong proponent of marriage equality. It didn’t matter. It was enough that I thought a boycott was excessive to be deemed an enemy. Today I had someone leave a 1-star review on my restaurant’s Facebook page saying that they were regular customer who liked the food, but they don’t like the “hate” that comes with it.

202 GeneJockey  Apr 6, 2014 8:31:30am

re: #43 Gus 802

Hello! Got some stuff. Comments from The Intercept…

Monsters from the Id!

203 Dark_Falcon  Apr 6, 2014 8:37:26am

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Correct but they are now targeting business owners who speak out against the boycott.

You shouldn’t be boycotted, but I’d advise you not to waste your time defending Ms. Childs. She wanted a fight and she got it.

204 FemNaziBitch  Apr 6, 2014 8:38:23am
205 FemNaziBitch  Apr 6, 2014 8:38:56am

Youtube Video

morning mood music

206 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 6, 2014 8:46:01am

re: #198 Pie-onist Overlord

I get commission for everything sold there. If you don’t see what you like on the Zionist Mall wing page, click the “Kosher Wine” banner ad on the sidebar.

Well that was a learning experience. I followed your links to the Kosher wine website and then got curious about what the difference between regular kosher and kosher for passover was WRT to wine and that led me on a dive into wiki and learning about such additional things as “Mevushal” which is interesting to know about as well.

207 GeneJockey  Apr 6, 2014 8:48:13am

re: #204 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

Red state entrepreneurs.
First post from my iPhone,btw. Takes freakin forever to type!

208 FemNaziBitch  Apr 6, 2014 8:58:14am

GOP SEEKS COVERAGE CHOICES IN HEALTH LAW THEY HATE

209 Justanotherhuman  Apr 6, 2014 9:07:00am

re: #204 FemNaziBitch

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Not as big a problem as in TN, where there were almost 3x that many, over 1500. I’m not surprised there were so many in the county in which I live, either. Where there’s high unemployment, some people will find a way to make money, even if it’s meth, pot, moonshine or whatever else is illegal.

210 Varek Raith  Apr 6, 2014 9:15:34am

Good afternoon, mortals.

211 FemNaziBitch  Apr 6, 2014 9:16:24am

re: #209 Justanotherhuman

Not as big a problem as in TN, where there were almost 3x that many, over 1500. I’m not surprised there were so many in the county in which I live, either. Where there’s high unemployment, some people will find a way to make money, even if it’s meth, pot, moonshine or whatever else is illegal.

yup, gotta eat

212 Varek Raith  Apr 6, 2014 9:18:59am

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Correct but they are now targeting business owners who speak out against the boycott.

That’s dumb.

213 Justanotherhuman  Apr 6, 2014 9:19:12am

Who the hell takes a 1 yr old and 3 yr old on a sail boat around the world?

Doesn’t sound as though these people have good sense, if you read their “logs” about the trip on therebelheart.com (each have their “own acct” of the trip).

U.S. Navy ship reaches sailboat carrying sick baby

chicagotribune.com

214 Dave In Austin  Apr 6, 2014 9:21:34am

Shhhhhhh!! Be vewy vewy quiet!!! I’m hunting healthcare.

GOP Hunting Healthcare

215 FemNaziBitch  Apr 6, 2014 9:22:29am

re: #214 Dave In Austin

Shhhhhhh!! Be vewy vewy quiet!!! I’m hunting healthcare.

GOP Hunting Healthcare

do you use a dog or a pig to hunt healthcare?

216 Decatur Deb  Apr 6, 2014 9:23:12am

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Correct but they are now targeting business owners who speak out against the boycott.

re: #212 Varek Raith

That’s dumb.

Perhaps when our purists get their little ‘cleansing’ out of their systems, we can get back to making a little progress.

217 Varek Raith  Apr 6, 2014 9:24:29am

re: #216 Decatur Deb

Perhaps when our purists get their little ‘cleansing’ out of their systems, we can get back to making a little progress.

BUT! MISSING PLANE!
-CNN

218 Varek Raith  Apr 6, 2014 9:26:19am

I don’t know what’s more depressing, CNN’s obsession or the fact that they are getting huge ratings out of it.

219 Killgore Trout  Apr 6, 2014 9:26:21am

re: #212 Varek Raith

That’s dumb.

It’s dumb and inevitable. There’s no central leadership to moderate the activists. There are extremists who see punishment of opponents as a positive influence for their version of tolerance. It’s inevitable that targets will include people who support gay marriage but are still viewed as enemies for different ideas.

220 GeneJockey  Apr 6, 2014 9:27:07am

re: #218 Varek Raith

I don’t know what’s more depressing, CNN’s obsession or the fact that they are getting huge ratings out of it.

I suspect that if you got rid of the latter it would cure the former, so I find the latter more depressing.

221 GeneJockey  Apr 6, 2014 9:28:20am

re: #219 Killgore Trout

It’s dumb and inevitable. There’s no central leadership to moderate the activists. There are extremists who see punishment of opponents as a positive influence for their version of tolerance. It’s inevitable that targets will include people who support gay marriage but are still viewed as enemies for different ideas.

Wait, so we’re not all controlled by George Soros? That must by why the check didn’t come this month.
///

222 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 9:30:23am

re: #218 Varek Raith

I don’t know what’s more depressing, CNN’s obsession or the fact that they are getting huge ratings out of it.

You want depressed , wait till the movie comes out

((wish I were //))

223 GeneJockey  Apr 6, 2014 9:31:57am

re: #222 sattv4u2

You want depressed , wait till the movie comes out

((wish I were //))

As long as it’s not an Oliver Stone film.

224 Justanotherhuman  Apr 6, 2014 9:32:33am

This is pretty sad. Sounds like there was a lot of THC in that cookie.

Student fell to death after eating pot cookie

bostonherald.com

225 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 9:32:50am

Cucumber, beets, black olives, tomato, hard boiled egg and artichoke hearts. A little salt/ pepper and some red wine/ vinegar dressing

Now THATS a salad (((and it’s also whats for lunch)))

226 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 6, 2014 9:34:28am

re: #225 sattv4u2

Cucumber, beets, black olives, tomato, hard boiled egg and artichoke hearts. A little salt/ pepper and some red wine/ vinegar dressing

Now THATS a salad (((and it’s also whats for lunch)))

I’ll be right over.

RBS

227 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 9:35:10am

re: #223 GeneJockey

As long as it’s not an Oliver Stone film.

he would have a scene in it where that plane flies over the grassy knoll in Dallas and a guy on the ground aims his umbrella at it !!!

228 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 9:35:40am

re: #226 RealityBasedSteve

I’ll be right over.

RBS

Ya better hurry

This puppy is disappearing fast

229 Varek Raith  Apr 6, 2014 9:37:32am

re: #222 sattv4u2

You want depressed , wait till the movie comes out

((wish I were //))

Oh man, your job must suck.
ALL PLANE ALL THE TIME!
:P

230 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 9:38:52am

re: #229 Varek Raith

Oh man, your job must suck.
ALL PLANE ALL THE TIME!
:P

In multiple languages. To/ from multiple countries

A couple of channels we take in from Mexico seem particularly obsessed with it, al la CNN

231 Dr Lizardo  Apr 6, 2014 9:40:27am

re: #227 sattv4u2

he would have a scene in it where that plane flies over the grassy knoll in Dallas and a guy on the ground aims his umbrella at it !!!

I liked the whole JFK conspiracy better in the opening credits of Watchmen. Brilliantly done.

232 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 9:42:11am

re: #229 Varek Raith

re: #230 sattv4u2

In multiple languages. To/ from multiple countries

A couple of channels we take in from Mexico seem particularly obsessed with it, al la CNN

I think one of them linked the Mayans to it!!!!

//

233 Varek Raith  Apr 6, 2014 9:43:38am

re: #232 sattv4u2

I think one of them linked the Mayans to it!!!!

//

That’s tame compared to black holes.

234 prairiefire  Apr 6, 2014 9:44:49am

re: #224 Justanotherhuman

This is pretty sad. Sounds like there was a lot of THC in that cookie.

Student fell to death after eating pot cookie

bostonherald.com

I would blame the bath salts.
Back in the 70’s my mom and dad tried pot. My mom went loco as it agitated her mental illness. Not a good scene, says my dad.

235 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 9:46:39am

re: #233 Varek Raith

That’s tame compared to black holes.

When in Mexico ,,,,,,,,,,

236 Killgore Trout  Apr 6, 2014 9:46:46am

Ukraine: Pro-Russians storm government office in Donetsk

The protesters shouted “Donetsk is a Russian city” and raised Russian flags above the building.

Some called for the region to have a referendum on the region’s independence from Ukraine.

237 Justanotherhuman  Apr 6, 2014 9:50:30am

re: #234 prairiefire

I would blame the bath salts.
Back in the 70’s my mom and dad tried pot. My mom went loco as it agitated her mental illness. Not a good scene, says my dad.

There were no bath salts in his body. He was just tested for many substances since his behavior was so bizarre, and that was one.

238 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 9:53:57am

re: #236 Killgore Trout

Ukraine: Pro-Russians storm government office in Donetsk

Inch by inch, step by step

(or is that stepp by stepp!!!)

239 FemNaziBitch  Apr 6, 2014 9:55:01am

re: #224 Justanotherhuman

This is pretty sad. Sounds like there was a lot of THC in that cookie.

Student fell to death after eating pot cookie

bostonherald.com

There is something missing here.

The marijuana concentration in Pongi’s blood was 7.2 nanograms of active THC per milliliter of blood. Colorado law says juries can assume someone is driving while impaired by marijuana if their blood contains more than 5 nanograms per milliliter of the chemical.

Did he have a health problem otherwise not mentioned?

240 prairiefire  Apr 6, 2014 9:58:49am

re: #239 FemNaziBitch

Perhaps a mental health problem.

241 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 6, 2014 10:00:04am

re: #42 jamesfirecat

The base game I Jerries only, there is an expansion called Allied Corps that is DLC which is more or less exactly what it sounds like, though at the moment it is limited to playing as England and or the US.

The base game is $20 for $60 more after that you can get Allied Corp, Afrika Korps (which is basically a string of missions as long as the normal game taking place in various parts of he the Middle East/Africa) and the Grand Campaign which as I said is about 10 mission in each year,

After 1941 and comming within a hairs breath of Moscow you can have about a third of of your forces transferred to the Western Front, then Ten missions that sum up defending against commando raids, and Scily /Italy. After that ten missions involving D-Day and Market Garden, and finally ten mission involving the Battle of the Bulge and wringing down the Curtain so to speak.

The Grand Campaigns only real problem is that it is a marathon not a spring and much like with XCOM if you start to win you will probably continue to win (I coasted through the entire year of 1941 without ever needing to reload a mission or losing a core unit) though the way the difficulty ramps up when you arrive in Stalingrad and near Krusk will be happy to give you a nice history lesson on why the. Nazis lost the war.

Does that answer all your questions Dark?

Sounds a bit like playing the long campaigns in the old Steel Panthers game. Protect and upgrade your core units that go from mission to mission.

242 Justanotherhuman  Apr 6, 2014 10:06:20am

re: #239 FemNaziBitch

There is something missing here.

Did he have a health problem otherwise not mentioned?

Pot doesn’t affect everyone the same way. It always made me feel sort of stupid, which I didn’t mind if I was just hanging around the house and going to sleep soon enough. And pot varies.

It wasn’t ever enticing enough for me that I’d want to lose a job over it or anything, after drug testing became pretty routine. One of the results of drug testing laws is that if an employee is drug tested after an on the job accident, the employer is usually not held responsible, or at least the employee can be held equally responsible, depending on State law. I don’t know how the legalization of pot in CO & WA states, for instance, would affect testing on the job, since it would not be consider an illegal substance yet stays in the bloodstream.

243 FemNaziBitch  Apr 6, 2014 10:09:54am

re: #240 prairiefire

Perhaps a mental health problem.

Prescription drugs in his system?

Thyroid issues?

244 Dark_Falcon  Apr 6, 2014 10:10:46am

re: #216 Decatur Deb

Perhaps when our purists get their little ‘cleansing’ out of their systems, we can get back to making a little progress.

It doesn’t work like that, DD. Most activists on both sides of the line are honest people, but there are a few who whose main goal is the wielding of power. Give them a major taste of power and they’ll keep going for more as long as they can, regardless of how it really impacts the issue.

There’s a reason the desire for power over others was the key criterion as to whom Sauron gave the nine Rings to.

BTW, check out the exchange James and I had upthread. You might find it interesting.

245 FemNaziBitch  Apr 6, 2014 10:13:52am

re: #242 Justanotherhuman

Pot doesn’t affect everyone the same way. It always made me feel sort of stupid, which I didn’t mind if I was just hanging around the house and going to sleep soon enough. And pot varies.

It wasn’t ever enticing enough for me that I’d want to lose a job over it or anything, after drug testing became pretty routine. One of the results of drug testing laws is that if an employee is drug tested after an on the job accident, the employer is usually not held responsible, or at least the employee can be held equally responsible, depending on State law. I don’t know how the legalization of pot in CO & WA states, for instance, would affect testing on the job, since it would not be consider an illegal substance yet stays in the bloodstream.

“Jumping to his death” That is something an “upper” is known for.

Visual disturbances that caused him to think the ground was closer than it was?

Being giddy enough to “just do it”?

Pot in a dosage that makes one unable drive legally can definitely make one stupid “drunk”.

Suicidal? I just never heard of such an experience. I’d pass out first.

I guess it depends on his experience with the drug.

246 Justanotherhuman  Apr 6, 2014 10:20:57am

re: #245 FemNaziBitch

Yes, I’m surprised that it’s being called a “suicide” involving pot. I can see accidental, but not deliberate, unless, of course, he was hallucinating, which sometimes does happen.

247 jaunte  Apr 6, 2014 10:26:58am

Louie Gohmert Hails Mississippi Anti-Gay Law, Attacks ‘Intolerant’ Gays

“You’ve seen it first hand, there is nobody more intolerant in this country than those that are screaming for tolerance. Christians are not intolerant but whoa, goodness these people that have their leftist agenda that are so intolerant so thanks for having the courage to stand up.”

248 Ryan King  Apr 6, 2014 10:29:26am
You’ve seen it first hand, there is nobody more intolerant in this country than those that are screaming for tolerance.

KT got noticed by GOHMERT.

249 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 6, 2014 10:30:13am

re: #246 Justanotherhuman

Yes, I’m surprised that it’s being called a “suicide” involving pot. I can see accidental, but not deliberate, unless, of course, he was hallucinating, which sometimes does happen.

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250 Justanotherhuman  Apr 6, 2014 10:48:06am

Oh, behave…

About 100 arrested in Southern California brawl

ISLA VISTA, Calif. — About 100 people were arrested and at least 44 people were taken to the hospital during a weekend college party in Southern California that devolved into a street brawl, authorities said.

“The violence broke out in the densely populated beachside community of Isla Vista around 9:30 p.m. Saturday during the annual spring break party known as Deltopia, the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Office said.

“The Ventura County Star reported (bit.ly) that things escalated after a University of California, Santa Barbara police officer was hit in the head with a backpack filled with large bottles of alcohol.

Read more here: modbee.com

251 jaunte  Apr 6, 2014 10:55:05am

Mass strike paralyses Benghazi

“…Oil companies, universities and schools also closed on Sunday, heeding a call by political groups for a day of “civil disobedience” to demand better security, witnesses said.

Government forces have failed to improve security in the port city where car bombs and killings of police and army officers have become part of daily life.”

252 Political Atheist  Apr 6, 2014 11:00:42am

re: #246 Justanotherhuman

re: #245 FemNaziBitch

We are going to get a lot of jumping to conclusions by critics of legalization. Like anything though some of course will find misadventure with marijuana the same as anything else more hazardous than a feather pillow.

253 GeneJockey  Apr 6, 2014 11:03:57am

re: #251 jaunte

Mass strike paralyses Benghazi

Nonsense! Benghazi is completely peaceful except for that one night!
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254 GeneJockey  Apr 6, 2014 11:08:06am

re: #252 Political Atheist

We are going to get a lot of jumping to conclusions by critics of legalization. Like anything though some of course will find misadventure with marijuana the same as anything else more hazardous than a feather pillow.

True. And there may be a rise in pot-related car crashes and the like as legalization spreads. Still, you don’t hear about guys stopping off after work for a couple tokes and then going home and beating their wives in a THC-induced rage.

255 FemNaziBitch  Apr 6, 2014 11:25:49am

re: #252 Political Atheist

We are going to get a lot of jumping to conclusions by critics of legalization. Like anything though some of course will find misadventure with marijuana the same as anything else more hazardous than a feather pillow.

re: #254 GeneJockey

True. And there may be a rise in pot-related car crashes and the like as legalization spreads. Still, you don’t hear about guys stopping off after work for a couple tokes and then going home and beating their wives in a THC-induced rage.

I understand that many people have never “indulged” in weed. Many, however, have taken vicoden or similar prescription drugs for justifiable reasons.

Comparing the effects of weed to vicoden might help keep things in perspective.

256 GeneJockey  Apr 6, 2014 11:32:32am

re: #255 FemNaziBitch

I understand that many people have never “indulged” in weed. Many, however, have taken vicoden or similar prescription drugs for justifiable reasons.

Comparing the effects of weed to vicoden might help keep things in perspective.

Oh, Christ. They’re all gonna be like House!
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257 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 6, 2014 11:32:53am

At first the ads on this site for the NRA convention in Indy were humorous to me…now they just are getting annoying.

Thus far I’ve seen ads trumpeting appearances by Bobby Jindal, Mike Pence and Marco Rubio.

I wonder what the odds are somebody accidentally gets shot that weekend?

258 GeneJockey  Apr 6, 2014 11:34:43am

re: #257 Eclectic Cyborg

At first the ads on this site for the NRA convention in Indy were humorous to me…now they just are getting annoying.

Thus far I’ve seen ads trumpeting appearances by Bobby Jindal, Mike Pence and Marco Rubio.

I wonder what the odds are somebody accidentally gets shot that weekend?

Probably pretty low. The folks who go to this kind of convention aren’t the problem. It’s the yahoos they want to allow to have all the guns they can possibly afford that are the problem.

259 ObserverArt  Apr 6, 2014 11:37:11am

re: #252 Political Atheist

We are going to get a lot of jumping to conclusions by critics of legalization. Like anything though some of course will find misadventure with marijuana the same as anything else more hazardous than a feather pillow.

Yes, this is true and probably the case. Pot has been fairly mainstream for many years and you do not hear of that many cases like this. But in the political climate, the hot topic gets mentioned first in the media even if there is no proof of anything yet.

By all means when the ax needs grinding, then at every opportunity one must grind ax. Sort of the same thing going on with same-sex marriage, healthcare, NSA, etc.

What bothers me is when the dust settles, the real facts come out and it was never what was initially drummed up, or things aren’t as bad as everyone was told…you never get the report. Or, it is eked out in some small scale to go unnoticed. I always like how newspapers would do huge sensational stories, and then the actual facts of the case a month later would be on page 10, buried under some other stories.

260 sattv4u2  Apr 6, 2014 11:39:29am

re: #259 ObserverArt

. I always like how newspapers would do huge sensational stories, and then the actual facts of the case a month later would be on page 10, buried under some other stories.

If it bleeds, it leads

Finding out later that it was only a paper cut is far less interesting!!

261 GeneJockey  Apr 6, 2014 11:42:06am

re: #260 sattv4u2


. I always like how newspapers would do huge sensational stories, and then the actual facts of the case a month later would be on page 10, buried under some other stories.

If it bleeds, it leads

Finding out later that it was only a paper cut is far less interesting!!

This has been #386 in the series, “Why Our Newsmedia Suck.”

They’re the worst possible way to inform the public except for any other way.

262 ObserverArt  Apr 6, 2014 11:50:41am

re: #257 Eclectic Cyborg

At first the ads on this site for the NRA convention in Indy were humorous to me…now they just are getting annoying.

Thus far I’ve seen ads trumpeting appearances by Bobby Jindal, Mike Pence and Marco Rubio.

I wonder what the odds are somebody accidentally gets shot that weekend?

I get tons of Kasich for Governor stuff here in Ohio. Have they gotten to the point the ads are targeted to regions?

263 John Vreeland  Apr 6, 2014 4:53:58pm

re: #25 FemNaziBitch

I think a comma is missing here.

It’s an awkward construction. Look at it without the dashed inclusion

And the opposition will find it difficult to effectively oppose because of the program’s bureaucratic density and complexity.

This is sort of fine on its own but she refers to “the thing” in the dashed area as if it were something different, so it raises a flag in your head.

And the opposition will find it difficult to effectively oppose—or repeal the thing—because of the program’s bureaucratic density and complexity.


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