Donald Trump Does the Bible Pandering Dance at Values Voter Summit

Much pander, so nice
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Here’s Donald Trump waving a Bible in the air and assuring the far right religious fanatics at the Values Voter Summit that he’s a really nice person. And he apparently doesn’t think anyone might conclude he’s nakedly pandering to this much-needed right wing voting bloc.

At one point, after wondering why we even need to hold an election considering that he is leading in all the polls, Trump took a moment to assure the audience that he is actually a nice person.

“People were not sure I was a nice person,” he said, “and I am. I am. I am. I am. I’m a giving person. I believe in God, I believe in the Bible. I’m a Christian. I have a lot of reasons. I love people.”

Trump later closed out his speech by hoisting his Bible in the air and declaring “this is the key.”

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99 comments
1
Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:04:13pm

He has YOOOGE reasons.
Also, too, when he’s president the War on Christmas stops on Day One…

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:05:37pm

Biggest, best-polling Christian ever!

3
Skip Intro  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:06:08pm

“It used to be when you lost something, someone returned it. Today, not so much.”

Would that be like all of the people you’ve stiffed by declaring bankruptcy and not returning any of the money you took from them?

4
retired cynic  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:06:19pm

What a sappy, lying expression on his face! LOL!

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Skip Intro  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:07:42pm

“The Holy Trinity loves me. We go bowling every Thursday night, and let me tell you, initially Jesus wasn’t so good, but he’s learned a lot from me.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:12:27pm

TRUMP WILL TOTALLY WIN THE WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!!!!

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bratwurst  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:15:59pm

My theory: this particular constituency within the awesome GOP tent utterly lacks an ability to discern who is pandering to them. The real fool is anyone seeking the GOP nomination next year who DOESN’T attend a gathering like this for a little song and dance.

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Skip Intro  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:17:38pm

It’s a good thing there aren’t any Jews in this country, because they might be offended by being treated as untouchables, like the Muslims, atheists, and Catholics.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:18:08pm

one thing I’ve learned, is that modern Evangelical Christians love war. They love to wage it on brown skinned people. And they love the feeling of having an imaginary war waged on they themselves by godless atheist liberal heathens.

To them, JEEZUS loves war.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:18:51pm

Just a reminder - This is the guy who runs the “Values Voter Summit”.

Tony Perkins and Friends
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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:19:16pm

A good try, but his shallowness doesn’t match their shallowness. He doesn’t speak the language of VVS fanatics: the code-words and phrases that show you’re part of the in-group that understands the signs and wonders demonstrated how doomed-yet-bleesed the USA is.

Ted Cruz, on the other hand, nailed it.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:19:52pm

Christ on a crutch…the idiots replying to the Cernovich comment I made on twitter are real special breed of Alex Jones type assholes. Pathological paranoia and conspiracy shit.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:21:22pm

He collects bibles for their monetary value.

If anyone believes he’s religious, they are just another rube.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:22:51pm

re: #13 #CampaignZero

He saved that one because it had his name in it.

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Skip Intro  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:23:11pm

Trump’s going to have to start doing some laying on of hands, driving Satan out of the afflicted, and learning how to bellow like an evangelist to get ahead with this crowd.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:23:17pm

oh look! Pope blessing more brown babies!!11!!

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:23:22pm

re: #10 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Just a reminder - This is the guy who runs the “Values Voters Summit”.

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Gotta love that old school CofCC white sheets and hoods values!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:26:44pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:27:03pm

re: #12 Aunty Entity Dragon

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EPR-radar  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:27:36pm

Trump is probably making a mistake with this “nice person” nonsense.

What use does the VVS crowd have for a nice person? The VVS crowd wants a like-minded theocrat to drive the infidels out of the US with fire and swords.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:29:41pm

re: #19 The Ghost of a Flea

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I can’t read the comment.

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Skip Intro  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:30:49pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

Trump is probably making a mistake with this “nice person” nonsense.

What use does the VVS crowd have for a nice person? The VVS crowd wants a like-minded theocrat to drive the infidels out of the US with fire and swords.

Trump doesn’t have a clue who these people are. If he said he’d turn Mecca into glass on day one of his presidency they would have carried him out of the auditorium on their shoulders to wild applause and cheers.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:31:18pm

re: #19 The Ghost of a Flea

You need to address a private comment to the username, not the “display name” - you can see their username by hovering over their name in the comment’s top line, or by viewing their profile. You should still be able to edit your comment to fix it.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:33:14pm

re: #22 Aunty Entity Dragon

Hm. Switched tag from your current name to your ID.

…And Mr. Johnson appears to confirm what I did wrong. Thanks.

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Jenner7  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:35:06pm

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:38:50pm

re: #26 Jenner7

:(

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Kid A  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:40:13pm

re: #20 Eric The Fruit Bat

An absolute disgrace what they did to that woman, and while I am a supporter of President Obama, this was one I bet he could have a do-over on.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:40:51pm

two assertions that will disappear instantly from a fox news comment thread:

1. democratic socialism and stalinist totalitarian state socialism are not the same thing. democratic socialism has been practiced by every western nation for decades now

2. it’s perfectly obvious that the dixiecrats left the democratic party and joined the republicans

in the meanwhile, blatantly racist statements and toilet humor are apparently just fine. even “liberals” can post anti republican statements, as long as they don’t broach the forbidden topics

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:41:51pm

He seriously brought his Bible that his Mommy wrote in … the Value Voters Summit is now just a high profile kindergarten show and tell session.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:44:04pm

“People were not sure I was a nice person,” he said, “and I am. I am. I am. I am. I’m a giving person. I believe in God, I believe in the Bible. I’m a Christian. I have a lot of reasons. I love people.”

trump clearly doesnt understand fundies

he thinks they want people to follow jesus and be nice

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Great White Snark  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:44:09pm

Half related at least…
Donald Trump Calls Photojournalist ‘A F***Ing Thief’ -Most Insecure Candidate In Living Memory

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:46:55pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:47:42pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

Trump is probably making a mistake with this “nice person” nonsense.

What use does the VVS crowd have for a nice person? The VVS crowd wants a like-minded theocrat to drive the infidels out of the US with fire and swords.

aha you beat me to it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:47:59pm

oh boy! Daniel Webster got the most not-Boehner votes last time!

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:48:07pm

re: #30 goddamnedfrank

Trump’s personal Bible comes across as somewhat endearing: if he were anything but fake as fuck, I’d almost call it touching. He totally doesn’t get what VVS people want: gore porn disguised as piety.

Compare with Ted Cruz, who perfectly understands the gonzo desires of the audience:

Communism-BAM!
Liberal Medi-BAM!
War fetishism-BAM!
Israel-BAM!

Pity the janitor that had to wipe down the seats after that performance.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:48:30pm

Is it just me or does Ted Cruz look like he’s wearing a flesh suit he made out of Old Billy Crystal?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:50:11pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:51:09pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:51:26pm

re: #36 The Ghost of a Flea

Trump’s personal Bible comes across as somewhat endearing: if he were anything but fake as fuck, I’d almost call it touching. He totally doesn’t get what VVS people want: gore porn disguised as piety.

Compare with Ted Cruz, who perfectly understands the gonzo desires of the audience:

Communism-BAM!
Liberal Medi-BAM!
War fetishism-BAM!
Israel-BAM!

Pity the janitor that had to wipe down the seats after that performance.

Even though I’m an atheist and I’m also bad at public speaking, I know exactly how to pander to the VVS attendees. Something like this would be a good start:

“I’m here to tell you about all the people that will be spending eternity hip-deep in molten lead.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2015 • 3:59:27pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I really can’t wait to see what Boehner says about Cruz.

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wrenchwench  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:00:51pm

“It stops being about immigration when we are talking about trying to take away the citizenship of children being born in the United States,” said Krystal Gomez, an immigration lawyer in Austin who formerly headed the American Civil Liberties Union Texas office in Brownsville. “At that point, it is not even anti-immigrant. It is anti-Latino.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:01:08pm

re: #40 EPR-radar

Even though I’m an atheist and I’m also bad at public speaking, I know exactly how to pander to the VVS attendees. Something like this would be a good start:

“I’m here to tell you about all the people that will be spending eternity hip-deep in molten lead.”

It’s incredibly easy to pander to them because they want to hear that their morals are superior to everyone else.

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Varek Raith  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:01:35pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh, this will be funtimes.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:02:54pm

Does everyone in Madison Sq Garden get communion?

Cannot believe I’m watching a freaking mass on tv.

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EPR-radar  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:03:32pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

It’s incredibly easy to pander to them because they want to hear that their morals are superior to everyone else.

Agreed. I was really expecting Trump to be a bit more competent with the VVS pandering, since there is no other reason for him to go to there.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:03:56pm

re: #25 The Ghost of a Flea

Hm. Switched tag from your current name to your ID.

…And Mr. Johnson appears to confirm what I did wrong. Thanks.

Sorry…my brother called and I was offline for a bit. Still can’t see it :(

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:04:23pm

re: #47 Aunty Entity Dragon

Sorry…my brother called and I was offline for a bit. Still can’t see it :(

You’ll need to reload the page.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:05:13pm

Evening Lizardim.

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William Lewis  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:08:13pm

re: #45 #CampaignZero

Does everyone in Madison Sq Garden get communion?

Cannot believe I’m watching a freaking mass on tv.

I’m guessing they have lay communion ministers, armed with reserved sacrament, in each section. They’ll count on the fact that only those who are Catholic or have strong catholic leanings would come forward in such a situation. If you act respectfully they’ll let any questions slide like at most weddings or funerals.

In situations like this one, I usually go forward with my arms crossed in front of me and ask the priest for a blessing instead since I know my understanding of the sacrament is a little too Anglican for most priests. We’re just different enough… ;)

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:10:49pm

re: #50 William Lewis

I stopped bothering when I discovered that the cookies had no flavor.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:11:19pm

re: #19 The Ghost of a Flea

I thought as much.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:14:25pm

i would classify trump’s religious denomination as “pharisee”

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Brian J.  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:17:34pm

re: #53 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

A self-made man (except he really isn’t) who worships his creator. An old joke, but it still works.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:19:35pm

my application is made from bitrate of unobtainium

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wrenchwench  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:19:57pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:20:59pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

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Actually, that’s entirely possible. It seems that becoming a career politician does weird things to a person’s humanity. Either that, or people who aren’t fully human are the only ones who manage to get elected to high political office.

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William Lewis  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:21:34pm

re: #53 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i would classify trump’s religious denomination as “pharisee”

Ah, no. The Pharisee’s were a specific Jewish movement in Jesus’ time that emphasized a holiness based on following all of the 613 commandments of the Torah as understood using the Mishnah. There were arguments as to how well they full-fulled that task, but the real problems were with those who were hypocritical about their holiness - like Trump - rather than with the Pharisee’s in general. In Matthew, Jesus says that the Pharisee’s are holy, it’s just that he expects his disciples to be even more holy than them.

Call him a hypocrite, which is certainly is. But he is not a Jew of one of the Pharisee schools.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:21:38pm

My girlfriend is at work & I’m live texting the mass for her!

EVERYONE gets communion!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:22:07pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

Let me get this straight: Until the Pope addressed Congress, they DIDN’T know we’re supposed to care for each other, and protect the Earth?

most republicans are too lazy to read time magazine, much less large black books with words like “ye” and “begat”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:22:51pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

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and the Pope LIED!!!111!!!!

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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:23:20pm

re: #60 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

most republicans are too lazy to read time magazine, much less large black books with words like “ye” and “begat”

And yet they claim to be experts on that big black book… Go figure.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:23:21pm

Does the Homily come after communion or before? William?

Did I miss it?

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wrenchwench  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:24:01pm

re: #57 thedopefishlives

Actually, that’s entirely possible. It seems that becoming a career politician does weird things to a person’s humanity. Either that, or people who aren’t fully human are the only ones who manage to get elected to high political office.

To get elected, one needs a healthy ego (to say the least) and a big dose of selfishness. Still human, but not humane.

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William Lewis  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:25:37pm

re: #63 #CampaignZero

Does the Homily come after communion or before? William?

Did I miss it?

Before. After the reading of the Gospel.

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EPR-radar  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:25:54pm

re: #53 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i would classify trump’s religious denomination as “pharisee”

Mammonite might be closer to the mark.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:26:10pm

Trump loves the Jesus. He has a bible in all his suites you pathetic losers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:26:25pm

Raining here in eastern Kentucky.
MrBWS is coming home for the short weekend (after working a 10 hour shift) and had a flat tire about 30 minutes from home.
And the spare was flat (I resisted the urge to say “you are supposed to check the air pressure in your spare regularly”).
Fortunately, there was a truck stop on the other side of the highway (he had to dodge traffic to get there and back) and he just called to say he’s on his way home.

I just checked the liquor supply and it’s all good…

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:26:59pm

re: #65 William Lewis

Before. After the reading of the Gospel.

Damn.

He must have not dropped anything 11!!Y

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:27:00pm

re: #58 William Lewis

Ah, no. The Pharisee’s were a specific Jewish movement in Jesus’ time that emphasized a holiness based on following all of the 613 commandments of the Torah as understood using the Mishnah. There were arguments as to how well they full-fulled that task, but the real problems were with those who were hypocritical about their holiness - like Trump - rather than with the Pharisee’s in general. In Matthew, Jesus says that the Pharisee’s are holy, it’s just that he expects his disciples to be even more holy than them.

Call him a hypocrite, which is certainly is. But he is not a Jew of one of the Pharisee schools.

well, absolutely true, and i was thinking about that after i posted the comment

however, i meant it in the sense of the popular and very common misconception of what is meant by a pharisee and not the historical pharisees

i sometimes explain that when jesus says “and do not be like the pharisees who…” he means don’t be like those guys who make a big show of praying, not that doing this is the definition of the word pharisee

the pharisees got the last laugh historically, iirc, since they basically inherited jewish religious practice after the sadducees were dis-empowered by the romans’ destruction of the temple, and their direct descendants were the ones who wrote down the unwritten laws they placed so much faith in in the talmud

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:27:24pm

Trump prays to Trump each night.

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EPR-radar  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:27:24pm

re: #62 thedopefishlives

And yet they claim to be experts on that big black book… Go figure.

It’s easy for a RWNJ to be a expert on the bible. The bible always agrees perfectly with whatever the RWNJ wants to believe. Very convenient.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:27:51pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

:)

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:29:35pm

So apparently Sting & Leonardo DiCaprio are there.

I’m amazed Trump didn’t request a private visit. Maybe he did.

Oh gah, Dolan’s got the stage.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:30:25pm

re: #66 EPR-radar

Mammonite might be closer to the mark.

we’ll have to build him a mammonite church with sayings of mammonite jesus like “suffer the little children to get it themselves” and “let he who donates to my campaign get to cast the first stone”

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Amory Blaine  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:30:49pm

Dolan hid a bunch of church assets from the abuse victims.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:31:48pm

re: #76 Amory Blaine

Dolan hid a bunch of assets from the abuse victims.

And hates the gay.

He’s a low life politician.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:32:30pm

Oooooh Chalice!

Need subtitles.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:33:02pm

re: #72 EPR-radar

It’s easy for a RWNJ to be a expert on the bible. The bible always agrees perfectly with whatever the RWNJ wants to believe. Very convenient.

The capital-G God of the Bible could appear before the Republicans accompanied by choirs of angels, and if that god was to tell them that they must treat all people as brothers they would immediately declare that they were waiting for the Real God because the Real God already approves of everything they’re doing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:33:37pm

re: #75 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

we’ll have to build him a mammonite church with sayings of mammonite jesus like “suffer the little children to get it themselves” and “let he who donates to my campaign get to cast the first stone”

with any luck, it will turn out to be the Church of Marmite instead..

Church of Marmite
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:34:07pm

re: #75 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

we’ll have to build him a mammonite church with sayings of mammonite jesus like “suffer the little children to get it themselves” and “let he who donates to my campaign get to cast the first stone”

Then he cold wave around the Rules of Acquisition instead of the Bible.

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William Lewis  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:34:29pm

re: #69 #CampaignZero

Damn.

He must have not dropped anything 11!!Y

It’s not uncommon to either have a very short or no homily in huge masses like this one where you have so many people - participants and partakers - to wrangle. I suppose one could argue the UN speech _was_ his homily for today… ;)

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:34:43pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

with any luck, it will turn out to me the Church of Marmite instead..

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My 79 year old Mom lives on that.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:36:27pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

with any luck, it will turn out to be the Church of Marmite instead..

[Embedded content]

As long as we keep out the Vegemite splitters.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:37:39pm

That moment you’re inspired to call your buddy up for a jam session, only to remember that you buried him this summer.
Blech.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:37:52pm

re: #85 Amory Blaine

That moment you’re inspired to call your buddy up for a jam session, only to remember that you buried him this summer.
Blech.

Dude, I’m sorry.

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nines09  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:38:07pm

Trump just needs to explain in more detail how to listen to him as you ignore what he says.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:38:11pm

Read Pope Francis’ Full Homily at Madison Square Garden

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:38:39pm

re: #58 William Lewis

Ah, no. The Pharisee’s were a specific Jewish movement in Jesus’ time that emphasized a holiness based on following all of the 613 commandments of the Torah as understood using the Mishnah. There were arguments as to how well they full-fulled that task, but the real problems were with those who were hypocritical about their holiness - like Trump - rather than with the Pharisee’s in general. In Matthew, Jesus says that the Pharisee’s are holy, it’s just that he expects his disciples to be even more holy than them.

Call him a hypocrite, which is certainly is. But he is not a Jew of one of the Pharisee schools.

Correct me if I’ve been mis-(self-)educated, also, but I had developed the understanding that the Pharisees are a kind of theological forefather to today’s Orthodox Judaism.

“Pharisee” in common use by Christians has always sounded like dog-whistle anti-Semitism, much the same as “Moneylender”. Which is to say, “Somebody who’s fer shur gunna get their ass kicked when Jesus comes back!!Eleventy!!!”

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CuriousLurker  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:51:00pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

Your link is messed up.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 25, 2015 • 4:53:49pm

Okay, this is weird: Meet the Congressman Who Drank From the Pope’s Glass

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 25, 2015 • 5:00:30pm

re: #51 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I stopped bothering when I discovered that the cookies had no flavor.

So you’re implying that the key for Catholics regaining dominance would be to start making communion wafers taste like bacon?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2015 • 5:02:47pm

re: #90 CuriousLurker

Your link is messed up.

I have no idea where that littlegreenfootballsweblog in the link thing came from.
I checked my comment and it’s not there, so I can’t get rid of it.

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William Lewis  Sep 25, 2015 • 5:04:50pm

re: #85 Amory Blaine

That moment you’re inspired to call your buddy up for a jam session, only to remember that you buried him this summer.
Blech.

Ouch. {{{{AB}}}}

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2015 • 5:04:53pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have no idea where that littlegreenfootballsweblog in the link thing came from.
I checked my comment and it’s not there, so I can’t get rid of it.

OK, I just re-pasted everything and now it looks ok.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 25, 2015 • 5:08:06pm

re: #92 Feline Fearless Leader

So you’re implying that the key for Catholics regaining dominance would be to start making communion wafers taste like bacon?

Or nachos.

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William Lewis  Sep 25, 2015 • 5:12:34pm

re: #89 Pawn of the Oppressor

Correct me if I’ve been mis-(self-)educated, also, but I had developed the understanding that the Pharisees are a kind of theological forefather to today’s Orthodox Judaism.

“Pharisee” in common use by Christians has always sounded like dog-whistle anti-Semitism, much the same as “Moneylender”. Which is to say, “Somebody who’s fer shur gunna get their ass kicked when Jesus comes back!!Eleventy!!!”

After the Roman’s leveled the temple due to yet another rebellion, the survivors were predominantly Pharisees who, over the next few centuries wrote down the various oral laws. First was the Mishnah - which is what Jesus would have been familiar with and was what was being argued about in the interactions between him and the Pharisees - and later the Talmud which is another several layers of commentary on top of the Mishnah. This understanding of the law combined with the synagogue became the basis of modern Orthodox Rabbinic Judaism.

In the Gospel of John, which was written after the break with Synagogue Judaism, it’s a major dog whistle, though even there some are presented better than others. In Luke/Acts, it’s more a problem of the author having very little knowledge of Judaism. Matthew, being the most Jewish positive, has the most good things to say about the Pharisees and uses them often as the minimum of what a good Jew should be.

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nines09  Sep 25, 2015 • 5:16:03pm

re: #85 Amory Blaine

That moment you’re inspired to call your buddy up for a jam session, only to remember that you buried him this summer.
Blech.

I love to play, and always have loved to play guitar. You know that feeling you have when it’s working?
I lost a new friend in July whom was going to front the band we had formed. He was a large man and had a big voice. After 8 months in our completely new startup band he was hitting his stride and as I was visiting my sons in Colorado in July he was found by his son back here. Died in his sleep. At 48 fucking years. It shook me. We were set to play a festival August 15th. We are still getting the pieces back together, and hope to play to happy dancing people New Years Eve. New main voice and we are hoping the drummer who shows up this Sunday is legit. We all sing a song or 3. At my age, 64 years and counting, I try to remember to count my blessings. People say they want to play. Tell me how much they want to play. I tell them, for all I know I could stoke out tonight. I wanna rock. Believe me, I know exactly how you feel.
Don’t stop playing. Put a CD on and play with the pros.

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steve_davis  Sep 25, 2015 • 5:48:32pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh boy! Daniel Webster got the most not-Boehner votes last time!

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I think Democrats need to make some kind of deal with the candidate who is the most fire-breathing conservative in the House: “We just want you to promise that you’ll continue to be an unredeemable asshole. And we’ll help put you over the top.”


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