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Stuff Happens  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:29:05am

Is it weird because it’s Sunday?

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ObserverArt  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:30:55am

Damn…I get two Saturdays. Nice.

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Targetpractice  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:32:15am

Wait, it’s Saturday again? Crap, means I have to work again tonight.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:32:53am

I actually had this scheduled to post last night, but apparently I set the time wrong.

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:34:18am

Morris dancers do occasionally warp time/space.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:35:47am

re: #5 The Ghost of a Flea

Morris dancers do occasionally warp time/space.

But do they do the Time Warp?

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Stuff Happens  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:36:12am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

I actually had this scheduled to post last night, but apparently I set the time wrong.

What a relief, I though that perhaps the CCJ thread turned LGF into Groundhog’s day.

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:37:13am

re: #6 Dr Lizardo

While highly entertaining, the Time Warp is not an invocation of the Elder Gods. Morris Dancers are on the other hand channeling the darkest forces in the cosmos.

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bratwurst  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:39:43am

He is a loathsome man who seems to see self-aggrandizement as the only goal of his position.

I don’t care for Ted Cruz much either.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:40:11am

That looks like a variation of the Morris Dance.
Cotswold Morris Dancing

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:40:28am

re: #8 The Ghost of a Flea

While highly entertaining, the Time Warp is not an invocation of the Elder Gods. Morris Dancers are on the other hand channeling the darkest forces in the cosmos.

True…..but the Time Warp did summon Dr. Frank N. Furter.

Sweet Transvestite [scene 8]

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Joe Bacon  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:54:33am

re: #9 bratwurst

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He is a loathsome man who seems to see self-aggrandizement as the only goal of his position.

I don’t care for Ted Cruz much either.

Honestly, I don’t know which one of those assholes is more despicable.

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Jenner7  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:54:43am

This is infuriating. He leaks info…FALSE info…several times and the media just eats it up.

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Jenner7  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:55:34am

Okay, really?!?!?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:56:35am

re: #14 Jenner7

Now that’s what I call a fishing expedition.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:56:52am
“…Early each year, the town of Whittlesey (Whittlesea on the station’s name board) in Cambridgeshire hosts a festival called Straw Bear which starts with a parade through the town of the people dressed AS the Straw Bears and all the Morris Dance sides who will perform that day in the streets.”
Whittlesey/Whittlesea Straw Bear 11 January 2014

“…straw was carefully selected each year, from the best available, the harvesters saying, “That’ll do for the Bear”.
strawbear.org.uk

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 18, 2015 • 10:58:48am

re: #16 jaunte

Looks like a Ghillie suit.

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Targetpractice  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:03:26am

re: #13 Jenner7

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This is infuriating. He leaks info…FALSE info…several times and the media just eats it up.

It’s Whitewater all over again, the media printing the falsified “outrage” on the front page, then posting the redaction/correction on A16 a week later.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:08:35am

re: #13 Jenner7

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This is infuriating. He leaks info…FALSE info…several times and the media just eats it up.

You can always rely on the stenographers in our Corporate Controlled Conservative Press to lie any lie for the Republican Party.

Now where have I seen “CCCP” before????????

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Skip Intro  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:13:37am

It never ends with the family values crowd.

Anti-gay GOP senator caught posting photos on the gay hook-up site, Grindr

“You know I’ve been losing weight. As I shed that weight, I’ve been taking pictures. I don’t remember taking this particular picture but I’m not gonna say I didn’t take it. I’d tell you if I remembered taking the picture, but I don’t.”

That was Puerto Rico’s GOP senator Roberto Arango’s excuse as to why images of his naked ass showed up on the gay hook-up app, Grindr.

Published photos from the application show “a man’s nude upper body with a cell phone obscuring his face,” and another showing “a rear view of a nude man on his hands and knees.”

deadstate.org

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Targetpractice  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:16:24am

Kevin McCarthy is gonna be one of those names that Republicans years from now will spit and cross themselves upon saying. Because the rush to prove he was wrong about the committee has only further highlighted just how much of a partisan joke the committee is.

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Archangelus  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:23:38am

And the situation in Israel escalates further:

Haaretz: One Killed, 10 Wounded in Shooting Attack in Southern Israel

One Israeli was killed and 10 were wounded in a shooting at the Central Bus Station in the Southern Israeli city of Be’er Sheva on Sunday evening.

Among the wounded, two are in serious condition. The others sustained light to moderate wounds.

According to the police, two terrorists were involved. One was shot by soldiers or civilians at the scene and was critically wounded. Another barricaded himself in the restrooms and was shot dead by police when he opened fire.

The bus station is a closed compound with security guards posted at the entrances. It is unclear how the gunmen managed to get past the guards.

According to a statement released by the police’s southern district, the identity of the terrorists is currently being ascertained. The possibility that there was another terrorist on the scene has been ruled out for the moment, though police are combing the area.

Over the weekend, three Israeli officers were wounded in separate terror attacks in and around Hebron. Six Palestinian assailants were shot dead during alleged knife attacks, including two in the capital.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:24:37am

re: #19 Joe Bacon

You can always rely on the stenographers in our Corporate Controlled Conservative Press to lie any lie for the Republican Party.

Now where have I seen “CCCP” before????????

Hockey jerseys when we beat those godless commies at Lake Placid! USA! USA! USA!

(yes, I know it’s pronounced like “es es es are.”)

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Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:30:23am

re: #20 Skip Intro

It never ends with the family values crowd.

Anti-gay GOP senator caught posting photos on the gay hook-up site, Grindr

deadstate.org

If you follow the link to the Washington Post in that Deadstate article, you’ll discover that the story is from 2011.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:35:37am

I enjoy a good “anti-gay Republican outed as gay on Grindr” story as much as anyone, but why is Deadstate recycling a four-year old story now?

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thedopefishlives  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:36:51am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

I enjoy a good “anti-gay Republican outed as gay on Grindr” story as much as anyone, but why is Deadstate recycling a four-year old story now?

Slow news day.

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makeitstop  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:37:05am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

I enjoy a good “anti-gay Republican outed as gay on Grindr” story as much as anyone, but why is Deadstate recycling a four-year old story now?

Slow news day?

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Archangelus  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:38:54am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

I enjoy a good “anti-gay Republican outed as gay on Grindr” story as much as anyone, but why is Deadstate recycling a four-year old story now?

Slow news day!

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Targetpractice  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:39:11am

Well, since it’s a slow moment, I’ll just post this here:

Fallout 4 - The Wanderer Trailer

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Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:39:19am

Anyone think it’s a slow news day?

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Tigger2  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:39:54am

re: #14 Jenner7

Okay, really?!?!?

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I would be surprised if they could find their own dicks.

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Targetpractice  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:40:53am

re: #31 Tigger2

I would be surprised if they could find their own dicks.

That’s easy enough, they’re the one”s with “R” beside their names.

/

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Skip Intro  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:40:55am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

I enjoy a good “anti-gay Republican outed as gay on Grindr” story as much as anyone, but why is Deadstate recycling a four-year old story now?

Because suckers like me will fall for it.

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Archangelus  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:41:08am

re: #28 Archangelus

Sorry ‘bout that, seemed funnier than it probably is in my sleep deprived mind…

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:42:01am
Today In The News
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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:42:21am

Double slow.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:42:54am

re: #32 Targetpractice

That’s easy enough, they’re the one”s with “R” beside their names.

/

Neither of them can count past 10 without taking off their socks and shoes.

Guess what they have to drop to try to get to 21…

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Tigger2  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:43:49am

re: #32 Targetpractice

That’s easy enough, they’re the one”s with “R” beside their names.

/

I don’t know how anyone with a brain cell could vote for them.

Years ago I can understand but not the way they are now.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:44:56am

I always love it when a random guy who isn’t following me on Twitter suddenly jumps into my mentions telling me I should ignore Chuck Johnson. Erm, more than 4500 Twitter shares on that post so far seems to indicate that more than a few people are interested.

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Targetpractice  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:46:25am

I think Dr. Carson is rapidly approaching Peak Derp:

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:47:48am

Hide yo’ wife! Hide yo’ kids!

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:49:12am

re: #41 The Vicious Babushka

Good thing hateful social media is there to ignore Crowder.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:49:37am

re: #41 The Vicious Babushka

He wants to watch “Married With Children” reruns.

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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:49:59am

Hey Julian? Who’s your buddy?

Revealed: Ecuador Thwarted Deal Between Julian Assange And Swedish Prosecutors

buzzfeed.com

So Assange had a deal worked out with Sweden where they would come in, interview him and get a DNA sample, hopefully starting the beginning of the end of his mess.

Ecuador threw a fit demanding that Sweden acknowledge Assange’s asylum status, sign a treaty with Ecuador and basically let make Julian shut the hell up and let Ecuador handle things.

The thing obviously fell through and I’ll give you one guess as to who leaked this story to the press.

What a bunch of grateful and wonderful people in that mess.

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Varek Raith  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:50:06am

re: #40 Targetpractice

I think Dr. Carson is rapidly approaching Peak Derp:

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Lewis Black - if it weren’t for my horse

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Tigger2  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:50:08am

re: #40 Targetpractice

I think Dr. Carson is rapidly approaching Peak Derp:

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:50:15am

Whose wife is he cuddling up with?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:50:16am

re: #40 Targetpractice

WOW! I wonder how he gets from A to B with that?

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Tigger2  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:52:48am

re: #41 The Vicious Babushka

Hide yo’ wife! Hide yo’ kids!

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If he would stay off of social media some of the hate would be gone.

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Targetpractice  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:52:58am

re: #48 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

WOW! I wonder how he gets from A to B with that?

Power of wishful thinking:

“Declare that within five to 10 years, we will become petroleum independent. The moderate Arab states would have been so concerned about that, they would have turned over Osama bin Laden and anybody else you wanted on a silver platter within two weeks,” he said at the time.

This Week host George Stephanolopolus pressed Carson to explain his thinking.

“How would that have worked? How would you have gotten the moderate Arab governments to turn over Osama bin Laden in two weeks?” the host asked.

“Well, I think they would have been extremely concerned if we had declared — and we were serious about it — that we were going to become petroleum independent, because it would have had a major impact on their finances,” Carson offered. “And I think that probably would have trumped any loyalty that they had to — to people like Osama bin Laden.”

An incredulous Stephanopolous challenged Carson, saying, “But they didn’t have any loyalty to Osama bin Laden. The Saudis kicked him out. He was their enemy.”

“Uh, well, you may not think that they had any loyalty to him, but I believe otherwise,” Carson said without further explanation.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:53:16am

I got a retweet from John Fugelsang and now my mentions are filling up with this, drowning all the Derp==>

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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:53:26am

re: #49 Tigger2

If he would stay off of social media a lot of the hate would be gone.

Twitter is a hate delivery device.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:54:00am

re: #40 Targetpractice

I think Dr. Carson is rapidly approaching Peak Derp:

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Peak Derp is a myth.

And as if Afghanistan or Pakistan are known for being oil-rich or “Arab”.

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makeitstop  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:54:41am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Anyone think it’s a slow news day?

I haven’t been paying attention, had family visiting all week.

I could be wrong on that ‘slow news day’ thing.

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stpaulbear  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:55:01am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Anyone think it’s a slow news day?

The most interesting story I’ve read today is about the process of identifying and burying a guy who died alone in his Queens apartment.

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:55:03am

re: #48 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

WOW! I wonder how he gets from A to B with that?

I’m guessing he’s justing grafting “stopping terrorism” onto the existing derp of “if we produced more oil, we wouldn’t have to gently cup Saudi Arabia’s balls.”

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Targetpractice  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:56:43am

Yeah, think about that for a second: The GOP has built their entire obsession with the idea of AGW being a “hoax” on the idea that governments across the world are trying to wreck their economies by cutting back on oil production/consumption. Now here comes Carson, saying that in 2001, all we would have had to do to get OBL was declare that we’d been “petroleum independent” by 2010.

OPEC would have laughed their asses off.

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 18, 2015 • 11:58:33am

re: #50 Targetpractice

*sigh*

Knew it. No joy in it, though, it’s so fucking predictable.

Geritol ads do not have a twist ending.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:00:37pm

The US only gets 13% of our oil from the Persian Gulf area. Another way of looking at it is that the US only buys around 10% of the oil sold by the Middle East.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:01:54pm

Whose tail is this?

One crazy cat here

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Timothy Watson  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:02:40pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Yeah, think about that for a second: The GOP has built their entire obsession with the idea of AGW being a “hoax” on the idea that governments across the world are trying to wreck their economies by cutting back on oil production/consumption. Now here comes Carson, saying that in 2001, all we would have had to do to get OBL was declare that we’d been “petroleum independent” by 2010.

OPEC would have laughed their asses off.

Well, we have so much oil in the country that the American Petroleum Institute (API) is running ads urging that the ban on the export of oil be lifted.

It’s really confusing, Obama has destroyed oil production in the U.S. according to the wingnuts but we have enough to export to other countries?

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Archangelus  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:03:48pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

I think Dr. Carson is rapidly approaching Peak Derp:

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Per that interview:

An incredulous Stephanopolous challenged Carson, saying, “But they didn’t have any loyalty to Osama bin Laden. The Saudis kicked him out. He was their enemy.”

“Uh, well, you may not think that they had any loyalty to him, but I believe otherwise,” Carson said without further explanation.

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Targetpractice  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:04:10pm

Not to mention OPEC would have responded not with shock and horror, but by simply boosting oil production as they are now, cratering the cost of a barrel of oil and so making it financially ruinous to pursue increased oil production domestically. Unless Ben was proposing a massive subsidy program to keep oil companies drilling, there’s just no way they would have gone along with this crazy scheme for more than a few months. They might have drilled, but as soon as they struck oil, they’d have capped the wells and sat on them until prices started to rise again.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:04:43pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

“Uh, well, you may not think that they had any loyalty to him, but I believe otherwise,” Carson said without further explanation.

Journalists should start challenging him for some supporting evidence for his beliefs, as if he’s running for an important office.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:05:34pm

re: #55 stpaulbear

The most interesting story I’ve read today is about the process of identifying and burying a guy who died alone in his Queens apartment.

I read that yesterday. Bravo NYT. Deep, very interesting & sad.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:06:47pm
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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:08:22pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Tweeting about “gonna hang with my wife, not haters” is just a wee bit Doth Protest Too Much. It’s like stage whispering.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:10:22pm

A Cruz fan arrives in Plano for Prestonwood Baptist Church forum.

Confirmed to attend are former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, former business executive Carly Fiorina, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania.
dallasnews.com

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:11:28pm

Imagine! Not the one by John Lennon!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:12:16pm

re: #41 The Vicious Babushka

Wonder whose wife he’s talking about.

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:13:27pm

re: #59 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The US only gets 13% of our oil from the Persian Gulf area. Another way of looking at it is that the US only buys around 10% of the oil sold by the Middle East.

That may be true, but consider the influence they have over our market. They decided it’s time to end the investment in fracking and other oil extractions and were able to drastically lower the price of oil across the entire world by raising production. The only way we’d because petroleum independent would be to completely shut off flow from the rest of the world, which would, among other things hurt our trade and the value of our currency.

As long as our economy is so dependent on oil, we’ll never actually be free of OPEC influence.

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Tigger2  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:16:23pm

re: #68 jaunte

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A Cruz fan arrives in Plano for Prestonwood Baptist Church forum.

I hadn’t heard anything about a derp festival going on in the news. .

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:16:28pm

re: #71 Belafon

It ‘snot only that, but a lot of the countries who make the stuff we use depend on Middle Eastern oil, so we use it indirectly.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:16:41pm

re: #44 b.d.

Hey Julian? Who’s your buddy?

buzzfeed.com

So Assange had a deal worked out with Sweden where they would come in, interview him and get a DNA sample, hopefully starting the beginning of the end of his mess.

Ecuador threw a fit demanding that Sweden acknowledge Assange’s asylum status, sign a treaty with Ecuador and basically let make Julian shut the hell up and let Ecuador handle things.

The thing obviously fell through and I’ll give you one guess as to who leaked this story to the press.

What a bunch of grateful and wonderful people in that mess.

It’s a South American country being prickly because its leadership feared Assange’s proposed deal would be seen as Ecuador being brushed aside as the business was handled by rich white nations. South American governments do not want to seem ‘submissive’ in such cases and sometimes would prefer no deal so that they can project the right image domestically.

Its just politics as usual.

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WhatEVs  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:17:13pm

re: #20 Skip Intro

It never ends with the family values crowd.

Anti-gay GOP senator caught posting photos on the gay hook-up site, Grindr

deadstate.org

OMG! OMG! OMG!! Did you see the pic? ROTFLMOA!!

“You know I’ve been losing weight. As I shed that weight, I’ve been taking pictures. I don’t remember taking this particular picture but I’m not gonna say I didn’t take it. I’d tell you if I remembered taking the picture, but I don’t.”

Duuuude, the only way you take a pic like that is if you’re gonna show it to your proctologist. Or Grindr, I suppose.

I scared hubby when I started laughing. God, that pic. Brain bleach, please.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:17:52pm

re: #72 Tigger2

It’s a big evangelical do.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:18:56pm
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Belafon  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:19:21pm

re: #76 jaunte

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It’s a big evangelical do.

Far enough away from me I didn’t know it was happening, close enough for me to consider buying a short range missile.

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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:19:36pm

re: #76 jaunte

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It’s a big evangelical do.

It’s a good thing those mega-churches that host these presidential forums don’t hold those type of events when trying to figure out who should run their church, they’d be even more wingnuttyish.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:19:45pm

re: #78 Belafon

Watch out, they have a planet-buster.

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Tigger2  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:20:07pm

re: #76 jaunte

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It’s a big evangelical do.

That’s what I said. lol

I don’t agree with the evangelical way of interpreting the bible, it’s not what I remember learning when I was young.

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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:20:26pm

re: #76 jaunte

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It’s a big evangelical do.

$5 for spotting an African American that isn’t affiliated with the Ben Carson campaign.

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stpaulbear  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:21:00pm

re: #76 jaunte

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It’s a big evangelical do.

How can anyone set foot inside a room like that and think they’re going to church? That’s hideous.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:21:54pm

re: #82 b.d.

Even the embedded reporter is Whitely.

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makeitstop  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:22:06pm

So, I mentioned that we had family over for the weekend. The two daughters of my sis who passed away in May brought their families - one from The Bronx, one from Maryland. It was the first time they’d seen each other since the memorial service for my sister.

In the course of conversation, my one niece mentioned that her son was playing guitar in the school band, and he was really excited about it. But he had to borrow a guitar from the school because he didn’t have one of his own, and their money’s tight so they couldn’t get him one. They said that Joe (the son) was really excited to get to school on the days he had band practice, and after I talked to him for a while, I made a decision and spoke to my wife about it before we went to sleep last night.

This morning before everyone left, I called Joe aside and told him I had a problem - I had this acoustic guitar (a 7/8 size, perfect for young hands) that wasn’t getting played. Then I asked him if he’d do me a favor and take it home and play it for me.

I hooked him up with a tuner and a couple of sets of strings and told him in order to keep it, he had to practice every day. I think by his serious reply, he’s going to do just that. I’m one guitar lighter today, but it felt really good getting another young player on the path.

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WhatEVs  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:22:21pm

re: #26 thedopefishlives

Slow news day.

Hre: #27 makeitstop

re: #28 Archangelus

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Anyone think it’s a slow news day?

As far as I am concerned, it could have been from 2000…I haven’t laughed that hard in too long!

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:22:43pm
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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:24:13pm

re: #87 jaunte

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I’d rather spend the rest of the afternoon gouging my eyeballs out.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:24:51pm

re: #70 GlutenFreeJesus

Wonder whose wife he’s talking about.

“a loving wife” suggests:

1) more than one
2) somebody else’s
3) not an actual person with a name

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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:25:21pm

re: #76 jaunte

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It’s a big evangelical do.

Why is there an American flag in a church?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:25:46pm

re: #88 b.d.

I’d rather spend the rest of the afternoon gouging my eyeballs out.

Trump is not on the menu.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:25:52pm

re: #83 stpaulbear

How can anyone set foot inside a room like that and think they’re going to church? That’s hideous.

If they wanna revise the tax code, they need to start by seriously tightening up regulations on exemptions for religious institutions. That would no doubt be met by howls about the persecution of Christians, but I’m pretty much past giving a damn at this point—tighten it up for ALL religions.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:26:52pm

re: #90 b.d.

One of the sacred objects.

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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:27:29pm

re: #93 jaunte

One of the sacred objects.

It fells so Jesusy

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:28:22pm

re: #94 b.d.

Looks like they scaled a Fox News set up to basketball arena size.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:30:33pm

re: #87 jaunte

No food/snack breaks, no intermissions, just 3 hours and 40 minutes of straight derp.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:31:15pm

re: #80 jaunte

Watch out, they have a planet-buster.

Just a medium-grade planetary turbolaser with its own dedicated shield generator. Powerful enough to deter old Dreadnought-class heavy cruisers but it wouldn’t win a duel with a pair of Imperial II-class Star Destroyers.

/Stay on Target!

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Amory Blaine  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:32:19pm

Yes because threatening to drill for oil would work so well. Wouldn’t OPEC just drill more oil and plunge prices?

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Timothy Watson  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:32:23pm

re: #80 jaunte

Watch out, they have a planet-buster.

Lies, The Lord Believers’ research capability sucks.

(Sid Meier’s Alpha Centauri reference for those not familiar)

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CuriousLurker  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:33:12pm

Gah, it’s too hot in here! They turned on the radiators today, apparently full blast. and now it’s so hot I can barely breathe. It’s like 46° right now with a hard freeze predicted for overnight. Guess maybe I’ll go partially open a window or something.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:33:30pm

It seems Steve Crowder’s loving wife isn’t putting out, because he’s back derping on Twitter.

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:33:48pm

To give everyone a sense of scale of the church, this compares it to a baseball and football field:

Prestonwood

And this is inside:

Inside
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Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:34:02pm

re: #90 b.d.

Why is there an American flag in a church?

That’s a church? Looks more like a higher-end concert hall to me.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:34:39pm

re: #94 b.d.

It fells so Jesusy

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I did a bid for a mega church - looks very similar. Huge media control room, restaurant, bookstore, classrooms/child care. bleah.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:34:51pm

re: #101 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe “wife” is his nickname for his right hand?

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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:35:54pm

re: #87 jaunte

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5 minutes for The Star Spangled Banner and 13 minutes for America the Beautiful?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:36:00pm

re: #104 Stanley Sea Toujours

We ain’t got time for the poor we need to build us a giant church y’all!

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Tigger2  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:36:24pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

That’s a church? Looks more like a higher-end concert hall to me.

It has to be big to hold all the money they scam off of the people.

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:36:44pm

re: #102 Belafon

Larger pictures:

Prestonwood
Inside
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Amory Blaine  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:36:56pm

re: #85 makeitstop

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thedopefishlives  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:37:02pm

re: #104 Stanley Sea Toujours

I did a bid for a mega church - looks very similar. Huge media control room, restaurant, bookstore, classrooms/child care. bleah.

I used to attend the local megachurch, shortly after they completed their new facilities. Looked very similar. This was the church whose pastor flew around in a private jet and who invites Michele Bachmann for regular visits.

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darthstar  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:37:14pm

re: #102 Belafon

To give everyone a sense of scale of the church, this compares it to a baseball and football field:

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That’s what I call a mega church. Do its members have tailgate parties before the service? Probably takes an hour to get out with the traffic.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:38:18pm

Exploring the Megachurch Phenomena:
Their characteristics and cultural context
Scott Thumma, PhD

“…If there is a common message shared by all megachurches, it is that they want to portray what they do as more vital than other congregations, somehow better than “ordinary” Christianity. Megachurch pastors can often be heard commenting that they are “not just playing church.” Nearly all megachurches have a conservative theological orientation. An overwhelming majority would be considered Evangelical, Charismatic, or Fundamentalist. Even the megachurches from moderate and liberal denominations often stand out as having a more conservative theology than do their counterparts.”

hirr.hartsem.edu

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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:38:52pm

re: #112 darthstar

That’s what I call a mega church. Do its members have tailgate parties before the service? Probably takes an hour to get out with the traffic.

Prestonwood has over 40,000 members, one political party and one hairstyle.

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darthstar  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:38:58pm

Fox announcer just explained that one of the players “served three tours in Afghanistan…FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”. Oh, I would have guessed he was there on behalf of some other country…thanks.

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WhatEVs  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:40:15pm

As a pet owner, I’m begging you to sign and share this petition.

Toni Preckwinkle and the Cook County Board of Comissioners: Reform the Department of Cook County Animal Control. change.org

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CuriousLurker  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:40:57pm

re: #111 thedopefishlives

I used to attend the local megachurch, shortly after they completed their new facilities. Looked very similar. This was the church whose pastor flew around in a private jet and who invites Michele Bachmann for regular visits.

That kind of ostentation is really gross. Yyyuck. It also reminds me of a business, factory…

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:41:07pm

re: #114 b.d.

Prestonwood has over 40,000 members, one political party and one hairstyle.

My parents have started attending Lake Pointe Church, which is a large church that has to have three services to accommodate everyone (it also has a parking garage). They claim to be nondenominational, but my dad says they’re really just Baptists.

119
jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:42:51pm

Views inside Prestonwood:

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:43:09pm

re: #105 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe “wife” is his nickname for his right hand?

Well apparently he did find a person to enter into the contract of holy matrimony, just like Chucky. I don’t know if Mrs. Crowder is Asian or even hot.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:43:11pm

re: #115 darthstar

Fox announcer just explained that one of the players “served three tours in Afghanistan…FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”. Oh, I would have guessed he was there on behalf of some other country…thanks.

Said a la Michael Buffer?

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Tigger2  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:43:22pm

re: #116 WhatEVs

As a pet owner, I’m begging you to sign and share this petition.

Toni Preckwinkle and the Cook County Board of Comissioners: Reform the Department of Cook County Animal Control. change.org

Signed and shared on FB.

123
A Cranky One  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:43:49pm

re: #85 makeitstop

Good for you! Very nice.

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CarolJ  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:44:32pm

re: #94 b.d.

Not even an attempt to look religious. Notice the flag where a cross or painting used to be. So bleak and empty, like a 70’s auditorium. No beauty. No plants, stained glass, artwork or sense of mystery at all. Yes, the Catholic church has its huge cathedrals, but at least there was an attempt to elevate the mood beyond that of a cafeteria hall.

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darthstar  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:44:51pm

re: #114 b.d.

Prestonwood has over 40,000 members, one political party and one hairstyle.

I see a lot of white people.

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CleverToad  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:44:52pm

re: #85 makeitstop

Sounds like a fair trade in satisfaction for the first time you get to hear him play it, whether in person or by Skype or YouTube or a copy of the band concert. Major great-uncle points! :)

127
b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:45:00pm

Just a coincidence that they scheduled this North Texas Wingnutpalooza to coincide with the Dallas Cowboy’s bye week?

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CuriousLurker  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:45:04pm

re: #116 WhatEVs

Done.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:45:19pm

re: #104 Stanley Sea Toujours

I did a bid for a mega church - looks very similar. Huge media control room, restaurant, bookstore, classrooms/child care. bleah.

In Chicagoland we call such places “shopping centers”. A large church looks like this on the outside and like this on the inside.

Note: the above photos are of Saint Clement’s, a basilica-style church in Park West neighborhood of Chicago (often considered part of the larger Lincoln Park area).

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WhatEVs  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:45:55pm

re: #122 Tigger2

Signed and shared on FB.

Thank you very much!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:45:59pm
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WhatEVs  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:46:25pm

re: #128 CuriousLurker

Done.

Thank you very much!!

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:47:12pm

re: #119 jaunte

I like this one:

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:47:24pm

re: #131 The Vicious Babushka

I liked that place a lot better when it was a basketball and rock concert venue.

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:48:39pm

Just what Jesus would want: A place where people can go and never have to interact with the rest of the world.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:48:58pm
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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:49:12pm

re: #134 jaunte

I liked that place a lot better when it was a basketball and rock concert venue.

I am still dumbfounded that the Church of Joel took over the Summit, I saw ZZ Top there.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:50:02pm

Wow, Donald is PROUD of leading a lynch mob back in ‘89.

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calochortus  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:50:58pm

re: #114 b.d.

Prestonwood has over 40,000 members, one political party and one hairstyle.

I’m Not Religious so I’m probably a poor judge, but I can’t imagine having any sort of meaningful religious experience in a huge auditorium. It must work for some people, but I suspect it may be a way of avoiding intimate connections in a religious context while still feeling holier than the neighbors.

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CarolJ  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:51:28pm

re: #135 Belafon

That’s the next phase. A housing development next door so all your neighbors are also members. If it weren’t for the parking, I bet it already would exist. Then you could call it a “community”.

After that it would be “Six Flags Over Jesus” a planned amusement center.

Then it would incorporate into a city (has it already done this?)

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makeitstop  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:53:02pm

re: #123 A Cranky One

Good for you! Very nice.

I was in that exact spot as a kid - I had a piece of junk guitar that I found in someone’s garbage, and it wasn’t really good enough to learn on. I won’t miss the guitar, I have plenty. I thought it was a good idea to pass it on.

My niece just texted me. As soon as they got home, Joe took the guitar to his room and has been playing it non-stop. That’s exactly what I wanted to hear.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:54:50pm

re: #140 CarolJ

That’s the next phase. A housing development next door so all your neighbors are also members. If it weren’t for the parking, I bet it already would exist. Then you could call it a “community”.

After that it would be “Six Flags Over Jesus” a planned amusement center.

Then it would incorporate into a city (has it already done this?)

I think it would be tough to do it overtly with equal opportunity housing laws.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:55:21pm

re: #119 jaunte

Views inside Prestonwood:

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“Promise” Land?

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Tigger2  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:55:34pm

re: #140 CarolJ

That’s the next phase. A housing development next door so all your neighbors are also members. If it weren’t for the parking, I bet it already would exist. Then you could call it a “community”.

After that it would be “Six Flags Over Jesus” a planned amusement center.

Then it would incorporate into a city (has it already done this?)

I think Jim and Tammy Bakker tried something like that a long time ago.

tommyandjames.net

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CleverToad  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:55:53pm

re: #114 b.d.

Prestonwood has over 40,000 members, one political party and one hairstyle.

re: #140 CarolJ

Six Flags Over Jesus!

I’m so stealing BOTH of these :}

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:56:05pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea Toujours

“Here at Prestonwood, we’re always in the present tense!”

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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:57:05pm

re: #140 CarolJ

That’s the next phase. A housing development next door so all your neighbors are also members. If it weren’t for the parking, I bet it already would exist. Then you could call it a “community”.

After that it would be “Six Flags Over Jesus” a planned amusement center.

Then it would incorporate into a city (has it already done this?)

“I owe my soul to the company store”

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Amory Blaine  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:57:39pm

re: #133 Belafon

Counting all that money works up quite the appetite!

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CuriousLurker  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:58:39pm

So they have churches that hold that hold 40K people—that’s more than the entire population of some small towns. And we’re to believe this is a persecuted group? Uh-huh, right.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:59:04pm

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

Wow, Donald is PROUD of leading a lynch mob back in ‘89.

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Lynch people who were later shown to be innocent no less.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:59:08pm

re: #149 CuriousLurker

Well, they’re extra sensitive.

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2015 • 12:59:49pm

re: #147 b.d.

“I owe my soul to the company store”

“I want you to reach deep into your hearts and your pocketbooks, and take His hand.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:00:43pm

re: #149 CuriousLurker

So they have churches that hold that hold 40K people—that’s more than the entire population of some small towns. And we’re to believe this is a persecuted group? Uh-huh, right.

That number is almost 3X the population of my entire county.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:01:25pm

re: #147 b.d.

“I owe my soul to the company store”

We are born in a Pullman house. We are fed from a Pullman shop, taught in a Pullman school, catechized in the Pullman church and when we die we shall be buried in a Pullman cemetery and go to a Pullman hell.

- Quote from a Pullman laborer, 1883

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Joe Bacon  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:02:06pm

re: #87 jaunte

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The only thing missing from that program is when everyone kneels down and prays to the golden calf…

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thedopefishlives  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:02:29pm

re: #149 CuriousLurker

So they have churches that hold that hold 40K people—that’s more than the entire population of some small towns. And we’re to believe this is a persecuted group? Uh-huh, right.

If they weren’t being persecuted, they’d have churches that hold 50K people. Come on, get with the program already.

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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:02:33pm

Would the old white guy please report to the front hall

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CuriousLurker  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:03:21pm

*sigh* Okay, feline overlord is complaining about… something: “Meeeeooowww, warble garble, meeeeeoowwwww!” She’s moved from the floor to the table next to me so she can get right in my face, so I guess I’d better go figure out what the problem is.

Later, lizards.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:03:46pm

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

Wow, Donald is PROUD of leading a lynch mob back in ‘89.

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Does he think the internet has forgotten the context of that ad? He was on a tear castigating the Central Park Five, presuming them guilty as rapists and murderers when they were in fact completely cleared of all charges. Trump has never apologized for his behavior then, opposed the city’s settlement with the Five, and continues to malign them whenever the issue is brought up.

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:03:50pm

re: #149 CuriousLurker

Based on the 2010 census, the church would be the 71st largest city in Texas, out of 32K+ cities or towns.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:04:26pm

re: #155 Joe Bacon

They’ve made it more subtle by praying inside a tremendously expensive piece of real estate.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:05:15pm
Check out our Pizza Station, where our chefs prepare a variety of pizzas and pastas in a wood-burning stone oven.

Or try our Sizzle Station, where you can have made-to-order Angus burgers, chicken sandwiches or quesadillas, just to name a few of the items on the menu.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:05:18pm

re: #157 b.d.

I think I can see the right field foul line from here!

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:07:12pm

Live streaming now:
prestonwood.churchonline.org

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Timothy Watson  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:07:45pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

Does he think the internet has forgotten the context of that ad? He was on a tear castigating the Central Park Five, presuming them guilty as rapists and murderers when they were in fact completely cleared of all charges. Trump has never apologized for his behavior then, opposed the city’s settlement with the Five, and continues to malign them whenever the issue is brought up.

Hey, in today’s GOP arguing for the execution of people who were later found to be innocent probably (certainly) isn’t a negative.

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stpaulbear  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:08:02pm

re: #135 Belafon

Just what Jesus would want: A place where people can go and never have to interact with the rest of the world.

They don’t even interact well with each other.

When new to town, we attended for about 18 months. Enjoyed the music. Tried to talk to folks, make friends to no avail. Could not get a sense of community there. Seemed a bit snobbish and only very superficially friendly. Ended up joining a smaller church and it was a better fit for our family and children.

Visited November 2013

went to church for christmas service got there 1 HOUR early, could not find a seat on all levels, reason being people were saving whole rows of seats for there friends who were coming late. I could not believe it, told a usher and all he could say was I.m sorry.
wrong answer. would I go back, NO,

Visited January 2015

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:08:15pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

Does he think the internet has forgotten the context of that ad? He was on a tear castigating the Central Park Five, presuming them guilty as rapists and murderers when they were in fact completely cleared of all charges. Trump has never apologized for his behavior then, opposed the city’s settlement with the Five, and continues to malign them whenever the issue is brought up.

RWingers on twitter are arguing that the 5 are not innocent.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:09:00pm

re: #165 Timothy Watson

Hey, in today’s GOP arguing for the execution of people who were later found to be innocent probably (certainly) isn’t a negative.

As long as they’re black.

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calochortus  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:09:20pm

re: #164 jaunte

Embedded Image

Live streaming now:
prestonwood.churchonline.org

Rather corporate-sounding. Do they have a line you can call to be put on hold for a while to complete the experience?

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Great White Snark  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:09:36pm

re: #149 CuriousLurker

So they have churches that hold that hold 40K people—that’s more than the entire population of some small towns. And we’re to believe this is a persecuted group? Uh-huh, right.

Privileged far more than prosecuted. Thin skinned and well funded, tax free and powerful in politics. Not a good combination by any measure.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:11:06pm

re: #164 jaunte

Embedded Image

Live streaming now:
prestonwood.churchonline.org

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:11:11pm

re: #167 Stanley Sea Toujours

RWingers on twitter are arguing that the 5 are not innocent.

It’s another refrain of “they’re no angels.” That’s what Trump retreats to now, asks what they were doing there, that they couldn’t have been up to anything good. As if that’s at all relevant to the fact they were falsely accused of a very specific crime and he wanted to kill them over that false accusation.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:11:47pm

re: #167 Stanley Sea Toujours

RWingers on twitter are arguing that the 5 are not innocent.

But of course they are.

One reason why I hardly ever go on Twitter anymore. Peak wingnut/derp is a myth and I get sick of seeing evidence of that.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:12:05pm

re: #167 Stanley Sea Toujours

RWingers on twitter are arguing that the 5 are not innocent.

I don’t want to look at that. Knowing Twitter, it’ll just be a Mount St. Helen’s-level eruption of hatred and racism.

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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:12:15pm

re: #162 Amory Blaine

I already know the answer to this but do those Church restaurants have cash registers at the end of the lines?

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:13:39pm

re: #157 b.d.

Would the old white guy please report to the front hall

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To be fair, church congregations tend to skew older, regardless of race.

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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:13:52pm

wink, wink

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Joe Bacon  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:14:15pm

re: #175 b.d.

I already know the answer to this but do those Church restaurants have cash registers at the end of the lines?

I’m sure that they take Master Card, Visa, American Express, Discover, Carte Blanche, Diners Club and Apple Pay!

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Amory Blaine  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:14:41pm

Right away, bashing progressives.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:15:51pm

re: #175 b.d.

I already know the answer to this but do those Church restaurants have cash registers at the end of the lines?

Yes. They’re like the kind of food court you’d find at a stadium.

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CarolJ  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:18:33pm

Is it me, or do those churches seem the religious equivalent of white flight? Build massive fortresses with no doubt dozens of ushers in communities far away from just about anyone. Certainly no chance of a casual uninvited visitor who may look “different” or a homeless person who sits in the pews for warmth. No worries about being surrounded by a “changing community” with its demands for inclusion. Meanwhile the old churches in the old communities become anything but churches-housing, bars, whatever, meaning the presence of the church becomes even more remote.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:19:37pm

re: #146 jaunte

“Here at Prestonwood, we’re always in the present tense!”

Because historical context puts the lie to their messages, probably.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:22:16pm
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:22:40pm

re: #162 Amory Blaine

And the “Water into Wine” sipping station.

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sagehen  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:23:33pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

‘Cuz the environment was in such good shape before we had an EPA, it was founded for no reason whatsoever.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:25:43pm

re: #177 b.d.

wink, wink

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I’m sure ol Pulpit Pimp made sure that the “EXTREMELY RIGHT” people were in the house!

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Amory Blaine  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:25:56pm

No policy proposals. Democrat bashing and talk of “butchering babies”.

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calochortus  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:26:17pm

re: #181 CarolJ

Is it me, or do those churches seem the religious equivalent of white flight? Build massive fortresses with no doubt dozens of ushers in communities far away from just about anyone. Certainly no chance of a casual uninvited visitor who may look “different” or a homeless person who sits in the pews for warmth. No worries about being surrounded by a “changing community” with its demands for inclusion. Meanwhile the old churches in the old communities become anything but churches-housing, bars, whatever, meaning the presence of the church becomes even more remote.

Presumably you also get the choice of being an enthusiastic volunteer (many of whom probably actually miss the services because they’re busy with childcare or directing parking) or getting a cosy feeling of belonging with absolutely no obligation to anyone there.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:26:38pm

cnn.com

A deputy was shot dead at a Minnesota hospital Sunday after the suspect he was guarding grabbed his gun and opened fire.

No comment about how stupid NRA types think non-trained citizens could handle any kind of close-encounter circumstance better than a trained deputy.

Oh. Oops.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:28:18pm

re: #181 CarolJ

Is it me, or do those churches seem the religious equivalent of white flight? Build massive fortresses with no doubt dozens of ushers in communities far away from just about anyone. Certainly no chance of a casual uninvited visitor who may look “different” or a homeless person who sits in the pews for warmth. No worries about being surrounded by a “changing community” with its demands for inclusion. Meanwhile the old churches in the old communities become anything but churches-housing, bars, whatever, meaning the presence of the church becomes even more remote.

In this case, no, since Plano’s growth wasn’t really driven by ‘white flight’*, but rather by a desire for open space, a lawn and an attached garage.

Note: I put ‘white flight’ in quotation because for Chicago and a number of other cities it was really “middle class flight”, as most of Chicago’s black middle class left the South Side for a small number of inner suburbs (Maywood, IL is an example).

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sagehen  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:28:48pm

re: #188 calochortus

Presumably you also get the choice of being an enthusiastic volunteer (many of whom probably actually miss the services because they’re busy with childcare or directing parking) or getting a cosy feeling of belonging with absolutely no obligation to anyone there.

The proper size of a congregation is that you recognize the faces, and can maybe even put names to them, of at least half the regulars. Your Sunday School should be of a size that your kids can identify everyone in their age bracket.

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sagehen  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:31:11pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

In this case, no, since Plano’s growth wasn’t really driven by ‘white flight’*, but rather by a desire for open space, a lawn and an attached garage.

Note: I put ‘white flight’ in quotation because for Chicago and a number of other cities it was really “middle class flight”, as most of Chicago’s black middle class left the South Side for a small number of inner suburbs (Maywood, IL is an example).

You mean when the FHA was subsidizing real estate developers and mortgage applicants, but only if they were white?

Redlining wasn’t some odd thing banks came up with on their own, it wasn’t about the incomes and credit-worthiness of the people — it was deliberate government policy to move all the white people out of cities and into their own segregated white towns.

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WhatEVs  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:31:19pm

re: #167 Stanley Sea Toujours

RWingers on twitter are arguing that the 5 are not innocent.

They’re guilty of breathing while black.

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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:32:47pm

I really loathe Carly and can’t listen to her then I look at the schedule and feel that way about the rest of the lineup.

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urbanmeemaw  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:33:52pm

re: #87 jaunte

What? I missed it? Dayum.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:33:57pm

re: #194 b.d.

Yeah I gave up.

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b.d.  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:34:27pm

re: #196 Amory Blaine

Yeah I gave up.

I think I’ll join ya

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:34:46pm

re: #189 GlutenFreeJesus

cnn.com

No comment about how stupid NRA types think non-trained citizens could handle any kind of close-encounter circumstance better than a trained deputy.

Oh. Oops.

I tend to give my first thought in cases like these to the family of the murdered deputy.

My second thought is to find out what happened to the scumbag who killed him. In this case the scumbag is also dead. And he wasn’t shot, either:

The man he was guarding, 50-year-old Danny Hammond, “gained control of Sandberg’s gun and shot him” around 5:15 a.m. Sunday, the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension said.

Hammond also died at the hospital after a security guard used a Taser to subdue him. Officials said the suspect “experienced a medical emergency” after he was Tasered.

And since we’ve been speaking about about how Christianity is practiced, I’ll note that I think Danny Hammond heard from Jesus after he died. But what he heard was “Depart, ye Cursed, to Everlasting Fire!”

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wrenchwench  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:36:00pm
Yikes.
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gocart mozart  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:36:27pm

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

It should be pointed out that the Central Park Jogger “Wilding” suspects that were the source of that tirade were convicted and served many years in prison but were later proven innocent and compensated by the city two years ago.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:38:59pm

re: #192 sagehen

You mean when the FHA was subsidizing real estate developers and mortgage applicants, but only if they were white?

Redlining wasn’t some odd thing banks came up with on their own, it wasn’t about the incomes and credit-worthiness of the people — it was deliberate government policy to move all the white people out of cities and into their own segregated white towns.

Redlining predates such policies, you should know. In fact it predates the 2nd World War.

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sagehen  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:39:31pm

re: #200 gocart mozart

It should be pointed out that the Central Park Jogger “Wilding” suspects that were the source of that tirade were convicted and served many years in prison but were later proven innocent and compensated by the city two years ago.

And the way they were proved innocent?

One of the guys was doing his sentence at the same prison as the guy who’d *actually* done the crime. RealGuilty guy felt remorse for WronglyConvicted guy, so came forward and confessed. DNA proved he was telling the truth.

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:40:19pm

re: #181 CarolJ

Mega-churches are weird phenomenon. There’s a consumerist component—big building, lots of convenience services and “extras.” There’s a theological component: the mega-churches tend to bend toward the properity gospel, and many also dabble in prophecy…all of the aforementioned creating an American heresy in which Faith not only trumps Acts, but wealth is retroactively a sign of being blessed. There’s a socio-political component, in that along with the theology is a set of politics: the church isn’t a fortress, it’s a compound: it keeps people in (and ideologically pure) as well as out.

Basically, mega-churches are God and ritual as invented by well-off suburban people who want their material decisions validated by unseen cosmic forces. If we somehow glitched time and the Roman Empire went Mithraic rather than Christian, the American suburban well-off version of Mithras worship would look much the same.

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gocart mozart  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:43:46pm

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

I tweeted your comment to Donald, hope you don’t mind.

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ObserverArt  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:46:03pm

re: #185 sagehen

‘Cuz the environment was in such good shape before we had an EPA, it was founded for no reason whatsoever.

By a Republican president, with Republicans and Democrats acting like statesmen and doing the public’s business.

Those were the days.

Now, another contrast to how messed up it all is now.

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CarolJ  Oct 18, 2015 • 1:54:43pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

Sure, redlining did exist before the Second World War. But it wasn’t possible to have these communities grow so fast and large without the FHA and VA. But back to the megachurches. On one hand, I figure churches would have to be larger for several reasons: many older churches weren’t built for an era of cars, indoor plumbing and heating, television or many modern amenities. So I would have expected churches to grow somewhat in size just for that. But the megachurch with thousands?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 18, 2015 • 2:04:12pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 18, 2015 • 2:08:17pm

re: #116 WhatEVs

As a pet owner, I’m begging you to sign and share this petition.

Toni Preckwinkle and the Cook County Board of Comissioners: Reform the Department of Cook County Animal Control. change.org

Done.

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Nojay UK  Oct 18, 2015 • 2:31:31pm

re: #115 darthstar

You mean like the British, the Germans, the French, the Dutch and the militaries of all the other NATO member countries that helped defend the United States from the existential threat of three hundred religious conservatives armed with box cutters holed up in caves in Afghanistan?


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