Democratic Town Hall Open Thread
Here’s an open thread to discuss the CNN Democratic Party town hall, now under way.
Here’s an open thread to discuss the CNN Democratic Party town hall, now under way.
Area weather geek gets it.
From 2009-11, Dems had a 76-seat House majority and (briefly) a filibuster-proof Senate majority, and Obama still had to fight like hell.
— Dennis Mersereau (@wxdam) February 4, 2016
Don’t make me go there, Berners
After watching Bernie in this town hall, I’ll bet he didn’t actually write those tweets about “progressives can’t be moderate” himself. I think he has some overly enthusiastic interns who should be reined in.
Sanders: I want Trump to win GOP nomination. I want to run against him because I think I would win. #DemTownHall https://t.co/U8c83jknaJ
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) February 4, 2016
re: #4 Charles Johnson
After watching Bernie in this town hall, I’ll bet he didn’t actually write those tweets about “progressives can’t be moderate” himself. I think he has some overly enthusiastic interns who should be reined in.
I really don’t think it matters at this point. This is his campaign, and he either can’t or won’t rein them in. If Trump or Rubio or Cruz did this, we wouldn’t grant such an excuse.
re: #3 Brian J.
Time to unmute the TV, Hillary’s on.
funny, that is pretty much the exact opposite feeling I generally have.
re: #4 Charles Johnson
He still chose those interns.
re: #4 Charles Johnson
After watching Bernie in this town hall, I’ll bet he didn’t actually write those tweets about “progressives can’t be moderate” himself. I think he has some overly enthusiastic interns who should be reined in.
Probably. His supporters are doing the most damage to his campaign.
Honestly, I’m surprised Anderson acknowledged her win in Iowa was just that.
Hillary makes it clear that by Sanders’ definitions, Obama, Biden, Shaheen and Paul Wellstone would not be progressives. Ditto Planned Parenthood and the HRC.
I’d be attacking Bernie a little more directly, but then again there are many good reasons that I’m not running.
re: #4 Charles Johnson
I don’t know why interns would have the keys to the Twitter account. It’s likely the candidate, the social media director, or some other senior staff.
Oh, I know he still bears the responsibility for it. I’m just saying there’s a big difference between his public rhetoric and those tweets, and I think he has some people in his campaign who need to get read the riot act.
And it isn’t the first time. When that database breach happened, it was also a sign of a campaign staff with some over-zealous dopes in it.
re: #6 Brian J.
I really don’t think it matters at this point. This is his campaign, and he either can’t or won’t rein them in. If Trump or Rubio or Cruz did this, we wouldn’t grant such an excuse.
Do you really see a fair parallel between what Bernie said (or his campaign did) and the GOP nuts? I see that as far too distant a comparison.
Hot Take!
The reason Sanders runs stronger than Clinton in general election polling right now is because far fewer people have an opinion about him.
— Chris Cillizza (@TheFix) February 4, 2016
re: #4 Charles Johnson
After watching Bernie in this town hall, I’ll bet he didn’t actually write those tweets about “progressives can’t be moderate” himself. I think he has some overly enthusiastic interns who should be reined in.
Which is a problem. He can’t pick people. He’s had to apologize for staffers three times (if he apologizes for this).
That gives me pause to his…everything.
Well I’m outta here. I’ve got some work to do around the house, and then off to bed. I’ll see you all later.
RBS
re: #15 Great White Snark
Do you really see a fair parallel between what Bernie said (or his campaign did) and the GOP nuts? I see that as far to distant a comparison.
I think Sanders’ campaign has become more and more Trumpisch as time has gone on. Reading out poll results, rejecting the current political structure for a vaguely defined revolution, insulting organizations that disagree with him. And the media have been eating it all up- although nowhere near as slavishly as with Trump- out of desire to create a horse race and/or animus toward Hillary.
re: #3 Brian J.
Time to unmute the TV, Hillary’s on.
Self-deleted for momentarily losing the ability to comprehend words.
re: #14 Charles Johnson
And it isn’t the first time. When that database breach happened, it was also a sign of a campaign staff with some over-zealous dopes in it.
Which demonstrates a poor administrator and a lack of discipline.
re: #20 De Kolta Chair
Women, especially women who’ve been the fecking Secretary of State, are best left unheard?
unmute
re: #20 De Kolta Chair
Women, especially women who’ve been the fecking Secretary of State, are best left unheard?
I meant the opposite; time to start listening to the TV.
.@HillaryClinton on young voters, who went for Sanders in Iowa: “They don’t have to be for me. I’m going to be for them.” #DemTownHall
— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) February 4, 2016
re: #19 Brian J.
Nothing Bernie has said compares to Trumps rhetoric. His insults. His bullying. A highly unfair comparison in my view.
re: #25 Great White Snark
Nothing Bernie has said compares to Trumps rhetoric. His insults. His bullying. A highly unfair comparison in my view.
Sanders says he wants to run against me because he doesn’t want to run against me. He would be so easy to beat!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 4, 2016
The idea of purity tests and determining whether someone running is “progressive” enough sounds awfully like the whole RINO mess to me, but what do I know.
Really good Supreme Court answer from Clinton. Biggest take away, the Dems just ask better questions.
re: #26 The Vicious Babushka
Says the guy who couldn’t beat Ted Cruz https://t.co/zQspi9QxbZ
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 4, 2016
re: #27 klys (maker of Silmarils)
The idea of purity tests and determining whether someone running is “progressive” enough sounds awfully like the whole RINO mess to me, but what do I know.
That is my concern too. We’re already in poor shape as a party, whatever people say to the contrary, and letting the Republicans have total control of the federal and most state governments for even a couple of years could have effects that could take decades to reverse. We can’t afford to purge people to deal with “enemies within.”
re: #29 Kragar
@realDonaldTrump you couldn’t even beat a Canadian. In Iowa.
— efuseakay (@efuseakay) February 4, 2016
We’ve now gotten to the point in the US that white middle class people can expect to be worse off economically than their parents, through no fault of their own. The greed of the US ruling elite is the main culprit for this.
This is certainly a big problem that is important to address, and it is fair to point out that the Democratic party is not well-positioned right now to oppose plutocracy.
However, it is a grave mistake to talk as if this is the only problem, and this mistake is often made by Sanders supporters. Too many people aren’t going to have much sympathy for this talk of restoring the American Dream, since that dream was never real for them in the first place.
re: #23 Brian J.
I meant the opposite; time to start listening to the TV.
A thousand apologies, Brian. I read your comment way too quickly. I’d blame it on the three beers I drank tonight, but the half-full Guinness bottle before me doesn’t look like it’d put up with that lame excuse, not for one second.
re: #26 The Vicious Babushka
I sometimes wonder if he just hooked up a random Donald trump insult generator to his Twitter and let it run wild
I didn’t even know there was this ‘town hall’ going on… Either I don’t pay close enough attention, or there were no advertisements or buzz on the outlets I check.
re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth
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It goes back to something I noted downstairs, Bernie has been in Congress for the better part of 20 years. In that time, he’s been a relative unknown, only really became a household name last year. Yet Hillary has had every facet of her life gone over with a fine-toothed comb, has been under scrutiny most of her political life, and has been seen as the anti-Christ by at least half the country for as long as Bernie has been in Congress.
So yes, most of his “electability” right now is based off his being a relative unknown. Once that goes away, you’re gonna see those numbers plummet.
re: #33 De Kolta Chair
A thousand apologies, Brian. I read your comment way too quickly. I’d blame it on the three beers I drank tonight, but the half-filled Guinness bottle before me doesn’t look like it’d put up with that lame excuse.
Zalright, no problem.
Hillary’s finishing up on an answer about her foreign policy; the questioner was concerned that she’s too interventionist. She’s explained that she cannot rule out military action in various scenarios but that she’ll try to keep the public as informed as possible. A good answer; I’m sure Sanders would claim to be noninterventionist, but Hillary doesn’t get his license to ignore the real-world threats out there.
re: #36 Targetpractice
It goes back to something I noted downstairs, Bernie has been in Congress for the better part of 20 years. In that time, he’s been a relative unknown, only really became a household name last year. Yet Hillary has had every facet of her life gone over with a fine-toothed comb, has been under scrutiny most of her political life, and has been seen as the anti-Christ by at least half the country for as long as Bernie has been in Congress.
So yes, most of his “electability” right now is based off his being a relative unknown. Once that goes away, you’re gonna see those numbers plummet.
If Sanders ends up as the Democratic party nominee and faces the full force of the right wing noise machine, the results may end up looking similar to the effect of a 16” battleship gun on a fleet of 5 paper boats.
re: #38 EPR-radar
If Sanders ends up as the Democratic party nominee and faces the full force of the right wing noise machine, the results may end up looking similar to the effect of a 16” battleship gun on a fleet of 5 paper boats.
Bernie supporters seem to think that the worst that the GOP can hit him with is “socialist.” That shows a lack of imagination that has proven fatal more times than not to political candidates.
re: #36 Targetpractice
It goes back to something I noted downstairs, Bernie has been in Congress for the better part of 20 years. In that time, he’s been a relative unknown, only really became a household name last year. Yet Hillary has had every facet of her life gone over with a fine-toothed comb, has been under scrutiny most of her political life, and has been seen as the anti-Christ by at least half the country for as long as Bernie has been in Congress.
So yes, most of his “electability” right now is based off his being a relative unknown. Once that goes away, you’re gonna see those numbers plummet.
Exactly. It’s the same trap a lot of people (including myself) fell into with Obama. That somehow the republicans wouldn’t throw every batshit conspiracy and scandal at him because they weren’t doing it at that moment in time.
Clinton drops the talking points: “I don’t have any easy or glib answer for you” on end of life choices.
— WIRED (@WIRED) February 4, 2016
re: #25 Great White Snark
Nothing Bernie has said compares to Trumps rhetoric. His insults. His bullying. A highly unfair comparison in my view.
Absolutely, totally agree. I was for Bernie originally but will likely go for HRC on Tuesday*. But there is an undercurrent here of “Bernie’s supporters are crazy, wild-eyed and he’s leading them over a cliff” and I think it’s mostly wrong. Bernie’s supporters range a spectrum. I know. My wife volunteers for Bernie in NH. I’ve been to a few events. Bernie himself doesn’t speak in such absolutes. Cornell West, who sometimes introduces him, does. I’m not a CW fan.
I think there is definitely the “youth” who may be purists, but I suspect that Bernie will throw his support behind HRC if she wins the nomination. Most of the people at the events I attended were older. There were a lot of veterans, too. I think they’ll vote. I don’t think many of them will vote republican.
*And this is surprising to me. I never liked Bill Clinton and held my nose voting for him. But I’m finally warming to Hillary.
re: #40 Zamb
Exactly. It’s the same trap a lot of people (including myself) fell into with Obama. That somehow the republicans wouldn’t throw every batshit conspiracy and scandal at him because they weren’t doing it at that moment in time.
I’m still surprised by the ability of Republicans to believe so many contradictory things about Obama at the same time. It’s a perfect demonstration of the limitless possibilities of stupidity.
Some part of me hopes that, in another 4 years, we can finally move past the “I voted against Iraq, so that makes me morally superior” kick that has been some sort of litmus test for Democratic candidates.
Once again: “You are not authorized to view this content.”
Well, Democratic Party, may I suggest that if you are not willing to put your candidates before the “cord cutters” like myself, you’re not interested in the 21st century.
re: #42 Barefoot Grin
Absolutely, totally agree. I was for Bernie originally but will likely go for HRC on Tuesday*. But there is an undercurrent here of “Bernie’s supporters are crazy, wild-eyed and he’s leading them over a cliff” and I think it’s mostly wrong. Bernie’s supporters range a spectrum. I know. My wife volunteers for Bernie in NH. I’ve been to a few events. Bernie himself doesn’t speak in such absolutes. Cornell West, who sometimes introduces him, does. I’m not a CW fan..
It’d be a lot more boring here if we all agreed. I just have to call them as I see them, and I’m really not convinced that Sanders is honest or would be good for the country. I’ll admit that I’m probably letting my distaste for the media coverage and his supporters color my opinion of him… but this is how he’s conducting his campaign and he seems to be okay with that.
re: #14 Charles Johnson
And it isn’t the first time. When that database breach happened, it was also a sign of a campaign staff with some over-zealous dopes in it.
Or the ones in Las Vegas going into the Union work areas.
Republicans causing a bad society was quite powerful. Really identifies the GOP mindset.
re: #15 Great White Snark
Do you really see a fair parallel between what Bernie said (or his campaign did) and the GOP nuts? I see that as far too distant a comparison.
Well, in a Sanders administration, he is going to have people speaking for him, constantly. There needs to be greater precision here or there’s going to be an entirely preventable disaster (probably in the foreign affairs area).
re: #44 EPR-radar
I’m still surprised by the ability of Republicans to believe so many contradictory things about Obama at the same time. It’s a perfect demonstration of the limitless possibilities of stupidity.
The Conspiracy Buffet has a little something for everyone.
I interrupt this political discussion to show you an old business card.
Found this card Biz card of my dad’s too. pic.twitter.com/eiWlfEO0Ed
— Ahmet Zappa (@AhmetZappa) February 3, 2016
re: #51 jaunte
The Conspiracy Buffet has a little something for everyone.
And it’s all-you-can-eat, so once you’re finished with one helping, you can go back for another.
re: #53 freetoken
And it’s all-you-can-eat, so once you’re finished with one helping, you can go back for another.
Presumably with vomiting between courses.
.@HillaryClinton: how would you defend yourself against right wing attacks? “Well, Sean, I’ve had a lot of practice …”
— Jennifer Granholm (@JenGranholm) February 4, 2016
re: #37 Brian J.
Zalright, no problem.
Hillary’s finishing up on an answer about her foreign policy; the questioner was concerned that she’s too interventionist. She’s explained that she cannot rule out military action in various scenarios but that she’ll try to keep the public as informed as possible. A good answer; I’m sure Sanders would claim to be noninterventionist, but Hillary doesn’t get his license to ignore the real-world threats out there.
According to something I read earlier, he hasn’t ruled out the use of drones. So he does know you can’t be nothing.
re: #52 teleskiguy
I interrupt this political discussion to show you an old business card.
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That reminds me of my youth. Our number was Broadway 5-1129.
re: #46 freetoken
If only they would procure a news station the way the Republicans have.
Dude, or should I say Doctor dude, that’s why people come here in the first place!
Anyone who comes to this country and wants to be a part of it must accept our laws, our Constitution and our national values.
— Dr. Ben Carson (@RealBenCarson) February 4, 2016
re: #57 WhatEVs
That reminds me of my youth. Our number was Broadway 5-1129.
When did they transition over to the[no phone numbers allowed] format? That’s the only phone number system I’m familiar with.
EDIT: LOL, I typed (Zero-zero-zero) One two three-four five six seven. Nice bit of coding there, Charles.
If you’re a Democrat, you shouldn’t compromise Bernie Sanders’s majestic integrity by making him our nominee.
— Allan Brauer (@allanbrauer) February 4, 2016
@allanbrauer We’re not worthy! We’re not worthy!
— Jerry (@js_edit) February 4, 2016
@cbbruuno You mean you can actually tell them apart? (thx corrected)
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2016
re: #59 De Kolta Chair
Dude, or should I say Doctor dude, that’s why people come here in the first place!
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He missed a few:
Learn our language
Eat our food
Go into debt
take over federal land
become white.
re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth
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I suspect DeRay would love the publicity, but I doubt he’ll be that lucky.
re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth
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That fucking judicial stomping he supposed to get can’t come soon enough. If it ever comes…
re: #62 Charles Johnson
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“Do you still think there’s a vast right-wing conspiracy?” Cooper asks Clinton. “Don’t you? It’s now even better-funded.” #DemTownHall
— Alicia Zuckerman (@AliciaZuckerman) February 4, 2016
re: #64 Belafon
He missed a few:
Learn our language
Eat our food
Go into debt
take over federal land
become white.
Oh, and that.
re: #60 Mattand
When did they transition over to the[no phone numbers allowed] format? That’s the only phone number system I’m familiar with.
I don’t know. (FYI, the Broadway 5 is correct, the rest isn’t.) It could be my parents who were much older than me and I inherited that way of speaking from them.
re: #65 Charles Johnson
Saw that coming.
Another man that won’t win but will bring the most needed arguments to the race.
Threw together a corn salad for dinner tonight. Amazed at how well it’s come out.
One can of that corn with bell peppers mixed in. Chopped up half a red onion. Juice from 4 key limes. Cumin, salt, pepper, and garlic powder. Stir.
Some really nice complex flavors in there.
Oh, and I fixed the soda water dispenser on the fridge, so mr. klys has a nice surprise waiting for him when he gets home. It turns out it was just out of gas, and it happened to happen at the SAME TIME I broke the part up by the ice maker and so I didn’t realize it.
Sigh.
re: #60 Mattand
When did they transition over to the[no phone numbers allowed] format? That’s the only phone number system I’m familiar with.
“All-number calling was phased in slowly starting in 1958. Most areas had adopted it fully by the late 1960s, though it did not become universal until the 1980s.”
en.wikipedia.org
re: #47 Brian J.
It’d be a lot more boring here if we all agreed. I just have to call them as I see them, and I’m really not convinced that Sanders is honest or would be good for the country. I’ll admit that I’m probably letting my distaste for the media coverage and his supporters color my opinion of him… but this is how he’s conducting his campaign and he seems to be okay with that.
I understand the need to distance himself, so it isn’t really the semi-sleeze that is pulling me away from Bernie. It’s his unwavering focus on domestic issues when we have serious decisions to make about the role that the US will play in the international order. I probably agree with Bernie’s view on that, but I don’t think he has the finesse to achieve his goals, principally because I think it will be an after thought as he goes after the banks.
I’m uneasy about Hillary in this regard. I hold her husband partially responsible for setting the disaster of 2007-8 in motion. It wasn’t just a Bush mistake. Clinton’s team were all about irrational exuberance. But I’m holding my fingers that they are chastened enough to at least not stand in the way of incremental regulatory changes. Bernie was my hope because I really want chastisement. But my hesitations I’ve already made clear.
Oops, not Wolf.
Anderson Cooper actually asked Hillary if she still thinks there’s a “vast right wing conspiracy.”
Come on. It’s right out in the open.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2016
So, are they ever going to breach the question of how undemocratic the office of the President is, and still the Senate to some extent?
Where are the calls for direct election of the senior executive in the country?
Oh… right… they are in tiny New Hampshire….
re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth
Rage Furby reacts!
LOL and that’s at least the second Chucky comment I’ve seen this week. I feel a ginger renaissance goin’ on!
I think Hillary is really showing how deeply she feels and thinks about the challenges that we all face in everyday life and as a nation. Compelling.
Anderson Cooper works for a network that thinks @KurtSchlichter is a credible commentator. You bet there’s a RW conspiracy, Anderson.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2016
re: #48 Belafon
Or the ones in Las Vegas going into the Union work areas.
Or using the AARP logo without authorization and then using Conservation Voters of America logo after they had endorsed Hillary.
This person standing behind Trump at tonight’s Arkansas rally. He-he: pic.twitter.com/o8IOL2CnNo
— Angelo Carusone (@GoAngelo) February 4, 2016
re: #72 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Threw together a corn salad for dinner tonight. Amazed at how well it’s come out.
One can of that corn with bell peppers mixed in. Chopped up half a red onion. Juice from 4 key limes. Cumin, salt, pepper, and garlic powder. Stir.
Some really nice complex flavors in there.
Oh, and I fixed the soda water dispenser on the fridge, so mr. klys has a nice surprise waiting for him when he gets home. It turns out it was just out of gas, and it happened to happen at the SAME TIME I broke the part up by the ice maker and so I didn’t realize it.
Sigh.
We had a frozen water line in the water dispenser. Turned off water to the fridge; turned off fridge to defrost; added heating element to keep line from freezing.
We get everything put back together and gave the heating element a few minutes to work. Still no water. Make a service call.
Right after scheduling the call, guess what we forgot to turn back on? Fortunately, we were able to cancel the service call. It would have really sucked to spend $110 to have someone go in the basement and flip a valve.
re: #75 Charles Johnson
Anderson Cooper, scion of the richest man in America, son of the most famous socialite in 20th century America… you mean that Anderson Cooper?
re: #59 De Kolta Chair
Well, that excludes the various “patriot” and militia groups out there https://t.co/cqH49lLAjY
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 4, 2016
re: #59 De Kolta Chair
Dude, or should I say Doctor dude, that’s why people come here in the first place!
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Let’s try this again.
Anyone who comes to this country and wants to be a part of it must accept our laws, our Constitution and our national values.
— Dr. Ben Carson (@RealBenCarson) February 4, 2016
Is he talking about Ted Cruz?
re: #76 freetoken
So, are they ever going to breach the question of how undemocratic the office of the President is, and still the Senate to some extent?
Where are the calls for direct election of the senior executive in the country?
Oh… right… they are in tiny New Hampshire….
WIth 400 members of the state House of Representatives. Their last special election was held in November and had 333 voters. There is such a thing as too much democracy.
Hillary: “I don’t agree with Sen Sanders that we should start over” on health care debate. We’re at 90% coverage — get to 100%. #DemTownHall
— The National Memo (@NationalMemo) February 4, 2016
re: #80 Charles Johnson
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CNN collaborated in hiring as talking heads Pentagon plants in the run-up to the Iraq debacle.
Well, I got a “gift” of 10 minutes of go.cnn … which has now expired.
Just like those Socialists, the Democrats, to give out tiny bits of goods to everyone, but not really let us have the full thing.
At some point, shouldn’t networks like CNN also be asked to account for their enabling of the Iraq War?
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2016
re: #75 Charles Johnson
Oops, not Wolf.
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In your defense, Wolf Blitzer is a pompous asswipe who runs around in public with a name that sounds like it belongs to the protagonist of a cut-rate spy thriller.
— The Cult Cat (@Elverojaguar) February 4, 2016
… when the media played a HUGE part in beating the war drums and uncritically repeating Bush admin propaganda.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2016
re: #91 Charles Johnson
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Hell, most of the “Liberal” media was complicit. Looking at you NYT.
Honestly, Hillary can talk to anyone she wants, as can anyone else. I think her record speaks for itself and is reasonable and consistent.
I keep coming back to Willie Brown’s classic quote, “If you can’t take people’s money and screw them, you have no business being in the business.”
The latest tweets by Cruz and Rubio are in black & white, which means they’re serious. Really, really serious. Muy serio.
But old horror movies were in black & white too, so there’s that.
re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth
@GoAngelo most likely this, tbh. Been fooling me for a while. pic.twitter.com/HtAv1yRaKd
— Al K. (@AL_K_BSH) February 4, 2016
re: #99 ausador
I thought it might be that shirt, but all you could see was the Hillary part because of the people in front of the person wearing the shirt.
The problem with Sandbaggers like this woman’s daughters is that they’re being kept ignorant of the context. Do they know that before DADT, the military burned resources to actively seek out and expel homosexuals in the service? Do they understand that the national crime rate when the crime bill was passed in 1994 was nearly double what it is now? Do they not know that the DOMA passed with supermajorities in both houses of Congress, and that a veto would not only be overridden but possibly accompanied with a 28th Amendment to bar SSM “forever”?
But I don’t know how to communicate those things in a way that would ensure that those who disagree would listen.
Hillary’s answer is a good one, but I don’t know if it’ll convince Berners.
Confession:
If Goldman Sachs wants to pay me $675,000 to make three speeches I will say yes.#DemTownHall— David Badash (@davidbadash) February 4, 2016
re: #95 Charles Johnson
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Yes! Excellent. We of a certain age were either repulsed by the media response or were played. I was played. My wife, not an American, was not. I wanted revenge; she said it was an American jerk-off. It made me mad. I watched CNN and they asked no questions. Wife pointed it out. I got mad. Then I started to wonder…. I think I understood my mistake before 2004, but I’m not sure.
I appreciate Sanders and Obama for their votes against. But I also understand the reasons why otherwise sane Democrat politicians voted for the war.
Again, I’m edging toward Hillary on this now because I don’t think simply voting no gives Bernie cred in dealing with the tough issues we face now. I really want him to show me otherwise.
almost like there’s a separate media standard for Dems/GOP
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) February 4, 2016
After 3 years, wiki leaks founder Julian Assange says he will ‘accept arrest’ https://t.co/llCDg6AVH1
— Sean Lahman (@seanlahman) February 4, 2016
re: #73 jaunte
“All-number calling was phased in slowly starting in 1958. Most areas had adopted it fully by the late 1960s, though it did not become universal until the 1980s.”
en.wikipedia.org
Before the BUtterfield 8 rotary dial format, you would pick up the handset (even on a private line) and tell the operator to connect you to “6023 Blue.”
Then during the period while waiting for the other party to answer, you would converse with the operator, e.g. Which was your favorite Christmas carol.
If no answer the operator would then disconnect the call, and thanking her, you would hang up.
Rescue from the dead thread:
Trump’s Supporters 11 Times More Likely Than Clinton’s to Expect Sex on the First Date
re: #104 jaunte
I know guys who make 5 times what Hillary makes in speeches. Big fucking deal. OMG a woman makes a good living.
— Jeff Gauvin (@JeffersonObama) February 4, 2016
favorite part re: Rudy: one of his $$$$ (private plane) speeches bankrupted a univ student fund—-DC press snoozed pic.twitter.com/c1fXUn9sQt
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) February 4, 2016
self-deleted for snark unbecoming of an officer and a gentleman
re: #107 Decatur Deb
Rescue from the dead thread:
Trump’s Supporters 11 Times More Likely Than Clinton’s to Expect Sex on the First Date
Men and women? Cuz, theoretically, were I inclined to cheat on the angel snoring next to me, I’d look for Trump supporters. And then, seeing them, I’d hold on to the snoring angel more fiercely than ever before.
I’m not going to be bullied out of talking about the Iraq War. Yes, I believed the propaganda and supported the war, unfortunately…
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2016
… but that’s exactly why I’m not going to be fooled again by right wing propaganda.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2016
So if you want to spew insults at me, I’m just going to block you and move on. There’s too much to do.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2016
We can disagree about which Dem candidate we want, but jeez, aren’t they like day and night compared to the Repubs?
— T to the K-M, Esq. (@Perkunas687) February 4, 2016
re: #111 Barefoot Grin
Men and women? Cuz, theoretically, were I inclined to cheat on the angel snoring next to me, I’d look for Trump supporters. And then, seeing them, I’d hold on to the snoring angel more fiercely than ever before.
Slate’s Burt Reynolds centerfold this month left me cold.
On second thought, it might be rigor mortis.
re: #112 Charles Johnson
As a rule, politics in this country reward people who will not admit error.
How fucked up is that, and when did it happen? When did “I erred here for this reason and I learned from it” turn into “LOL WAFFLER”?
re: #116 Testy Toad T
As a rule, politics in this country reward people who will not admit error.
How fucked up is that, and when did it happen? When did “I erred here for this reason and I learned from it” turn into “LOL WAFFLER”?
2009
“Our coverage continues with Don Lemon right after this.” (scrambles for remote, turns off television, narrowly escapes a gruesome fate)
— Jamil Smith (@JamilSmith) February 4, 2016
re: #73 jaunte
“All-number calling was phased in slowly starting in 1958. Most areas had adopted it fully by the late 1960s, though it did not become universal until the 1980s.”
en.wikipedia.org
I’m a real old (and grew up in a small town.) I remember 3 and 4 digit phone numbers (we were kinda newbies, so our was 4 digits.) It was mid-50s before we got an exchange (Sunset 4-xxxx).
re: #83 Mattand
We had a frozen water line in the water dispenser. Turned off water to the fridge; turned off fridge to defrost; added heating element to keep line from freezing.
We get everything put back together and gave the heating element a few minutes to work. Still no water. Make a service call.
Right after scheduling the call, guess what we forgot to turn back on? Fortunately, we were able to cancel the service call. It would have really sucked to spend $110 to have someone go in the basement and flip a valve.
There is still definitely a broken bit in the fridge, but at least it’s not TWO broken bits.
I’ll take what I can get.
Plus now I don’t have to buy soda water for him any more.
Too bad I didn’t figure this out before buying two 2L bottles of it today.
… because they’ve never examined the reasons why they were misled about Iraq, and they’re even less focused on fact-checking now.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2016
re: #119 BeachDem
I remember my folks had a Sutherland-2-xxxx exchange until the late ‘60’s.
re: #119 BeachDem
I’m a real old (and grew up in a small town.) I remember 3 and 4 digit phone numbers (we were kinda newbies, so our was 4 digits.) It was mid-50s before we got an exchange (Sunset 4-xxxx).
…I remember when I didn’t have to dial the area code?
Oh, oh, I remember when modems made noise!
re: #123 klys (maker of Silmarils)
sssss….boinnnggggggg.
re: #123 klys (maker of Silmarils)
…I remember when I didn’t have to dial the area code?
Oh, oh, I remember when modems made noise!
And you had to have a separate telephone line for them so that no one could contact you while you were on the computer! How did we survive?!?
These days I rock an area code from across country that is one digit different than the area code I live in now. (This has been my phone number since high school, dammit, I’m not changing it.)
That really confuses people.
re: #123 klys (maker of Silmarils)
…I remember when I didn’t have to dial the area code?
Oh, oh, I remember when modems made noise!
ni-ni-ni-ni-ERRR-kabowga-bowga-kshshshshsh-SHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSH
re: #125 Brian J.
And you had to have a separate telephone line for them so that no one could contact you while you were on the computer! How did we survive?!?
So, true story: we got cable Internet when I was …gonna say 12.
My parents didn’t let on that a password was no longer needed to log in to the Internet so for a good few months, I still asked them to log me in so I could surf the web.
re: #103 Barefoot Grin
To be honest, I still hold Iraq against Clinton. I was skeptical of Colin Powell’s “ZOMG, MOBILE WEAPONS LABS!!!” UN speech. Not that I have any great insight on the Middle East or anything like that, but it was painfully obvious W was itching to work out his daddy issues by conquering Iraq.
If I could see it, Clinton should have seen it. To me, it felt like she (and Kerry, for that matter) was eager enough to authorize war so no one could say she hated America. It’s a common Democratic reflex.
It was stupid vote and helped pave the way to a ton of economic misery, Middle East instability, and tens of thousands of dead people. I absolutely give Sanders the check mark for that one.
And if Sanders gets the nod, I will vote for him November.
That said: Bernie Sanders winning the Dem POTUS nom guarantees a Republican President. Full stop. The GOP will not stop tarring him as a SOCIALIST!!!!! until months after the inauguration, and the American voter will be stupid enough to fall for it.
EDIT: “instability”
re: #111 Barefoot Grin
Men and women? Cuz, theoretically, were I inclined to cheat on the angel snoring next to me, I’d look for Trump supporters. And then, seeing them, I’d hold on to the snoring angel more fiercely than ever before.
Ok. That’s the sweetest thing. Tell your angel s/he has a nice knight.
re: #60 Mattand
When did they transition over to the[no phone numbers allowed] format? That’s the only phone number system I’m familiar with.
EDIT: LOL, I typed (Zero-zero-zero) One two three-four five six seven. Nice bit of coding there, Charles.
During the 1960s, IIRC. Our home phone went from HAmilton 1-5117 to 421-5117 by 1970 or so.
This one obviously touched a nerve - it’s taking off.
At some point, shouldn’t networks like CNN also be asked to account for their enabling of the Iraq War?
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2016
Kurt apparently feels like doing the dozens again.
Anderson Cooper works for a network that thinks @KurtSchlichter is a credible commentator. You bet there’s a RW conspiracy, Anderson.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2016
Dude, if you thought that was funny, you need to rethink your life.@KPhed @Green_Footballs
— Kurt Schlichter (@KurtSchlichter) February 4, 2016
It’s more genteel to call it “The Vast Right Wing Coincidence”.
Oh hai Kurt. Seen any Syrian refugees under your bed lately? @KurtSchlichter @KPhed
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2016
Sherman 2-6826 was what I learned in kindergarten. The farm still has that number 46 years later.
I’m just asking because when last we chatted, you were feverishly loading magazines for your beloved guns. @KurtSchlichter @KPhed
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2016
re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Hey Sleuth, remember when you posted that hurricanetornado near Columbia, SC earlier? Not to worry, it was just Bill.
(my friend with WJC)
re: #139 Charles Johnson
I had to butt in. :)))
@Green_Footballs @KurtSchlichter @KPhed call them clips. That’ll really set him off.
— efuseakay (@efuseakay) February 4, 2016
re: #129 Mattand
For God’s sake, knock it off with “the daddy issue” already. It’s a ludicrous argument. It also implies that George W. Bush was actually the captain of his own ship. The Republicans were so gung ho to invade Iraq that W’s “daddy issue” is meaningless. Karl Rove spoke out loud of the Republicans’ dream of a lasting majority, in spite of the fact that W didn’t even win the majority of the votes, and that nationally, the congressional vote favors the Democrats. The only way to parlay their brief dalliance with power into a durable majority was to take advantage of the aftermath of 9/11. They needed war. While just about everybody was on board with the war in Afghanistan, the Republicans needed something that they could use to marginalize their opposition. Iraq was it.
re: #129 Mattand
To be honest, I still hold Iraq against Clinton. I was skeptical of Colin Powell’s “ZOMG, MOBILE WEAPONS LABS!!!” UN speech. Not that I have any great insight on the Middle East or anything like that, but it was painfully obvious W was itching to work out his daddy issues by conquering Iraq.
If I could see it, Clinton should have seen it. To me, it felt like she (and Kerry, for that matter) was eager enough to authorize war so no one could say she hated America. It’s a common Democratic reflex.
It was stupid vote and helped pave the way to a ton of economic misery, Middle East stability, and tens of thousands of dead people. I absolutely give Sanders the check mark for that one.
And if Sanders gets the nod, I will vote for him November.
That said: Bernie Sanders winning the Dem POTUS nom guarantees a Republican President. Full stop. The GOP will not stop tarring him as a SOCIALIST!!!!! until months after the inauguration, and the American voter will be stupid enough to fall for it.
Or, as a senator from New York she was deeply affected by 9/11 and believed Powell.
re: #123 klys (maker of Silmarils)
…I remember when I didn’t have to dial the area code?
Oh, oh, I remember when modems made noise!
I remember when I used to like you!
/
re: #145 BeachDem
I remember when I used to like you!
/
Hey, I’m cute!
I’ll even put away the garlic for tonight…
re: #144 WhatEVs
Or, as a senator from New York she was deeply affected by 9/11 and believed Powell.
It didn’t matter whether she believed Colin Powell or not. The US got what we wanted from the UN, but President Bush couldn’t afford to take “Yes” for an answer.
Very good…
Epic rantage from @benjaminmoser on idealism v. pragmatism, starting here https://t.co/nLhYTlntC9
— Bill Scher (@billscher) February 4, 2016
Hi. I’m about to go on a pretty condescending rant, so unfollow for a bit and it will all be over soon.
— Ben Moser (@benjaminmoser) February 4, 2016
re: #147 GlutenFreeJesus
I remember my grandparents yelling into the phone because IT WAS LONG DISTANCE and you had to push your voice through the wires a long way.
re: #143 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
For God’s sake, knock it off with “the daddy issue” already. It’s a ludicrous argument. It also implies that George W. Bush was actually the captain of his own ship. The Republicans were so gung ho to invade Iraq that W’s “daddy issue” is meaningless. Karl Rove spoke out loud of the Republicans’ dream of a lasting majority, in spite of the fact that W didn’t even win the majority of the votes, and that nationally, the congressional vote favors the Democrats. The only way to parlay their brief dalliance with power into a durable majority was to take advantage of the aftermath of 9/11. They needed war. While just about everybody was on board with the war in Afghanistan, the Republicans needed something that they could use to marginalize their opposition. Iraq was it.
Jesus, you might want to cover up that exposed nerve there, chief.
And, yeah, W was the fucking captain of his own ship. It’s called being “the President”. Even Cheney has acknowledged as much.
I wish people would knock off the whole “Bush was a puppet” nonsense.
Who could ever forget “General Wildman?” Kurt’s fantasy bear. @Kragar_LGF @KurtSchlichter @KPhed
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 4, 2016
re: #150 jaunte
I remember my grandparents yelling into the phone because IT WAS LONG DISTANCE and you had to push your voice through the wires a long way.
Until I was 20 or so, a long distance call meant somebody was dead.
JUST IN: Trump: Maybe Obama “feels comfortable” in a mosque https://t.co/HgfSBYcCpi pic.twitter.com/KL0QpSJpl2
— The Hill (@thehill) February 4, 2016
Purchase a clue: President Obama feels comfortable EVERYWHERE he goes. He’s decent that way. https://t.co/oMkGNFewTd
— meta (@metaquest) February 4, 2016
I still remember people’s phone numbers. If I’m not sure I just “dial” (heh) what I think it is and I’m usually right. Nowadays, with new numbers, I’m not so lucky because I don’t dial the number I just hit the contact.
re: #141 BeachDem
Hey Sleuth, remember when you posted that hurricane near Columbia, SC earlier? Not to worry, it was just Bill.
(my friend with WJC)
He looks good for someone who turns 70 this year. It’s so crazy to think he’s now been out of office fifteen years. I went to his first inaugural. My Dad’s always joked that’s why he was happy Clinton won over H.W Bush since he knew the music would be better. Plus Clinton was of course our first boomer President.
re: #155 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
I still remember people’s phone numbers. If I’m not sure I just “dial” (heh) what I think it is and I’m usually right. Nowadays, with new numbers, I’m not so lucky because I don’t dial the number I just hit the contact.
I still remember the phone number of one of my best friends in high school.
This year will mark year 13 since she passed away.
re: #148 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
It didn’t matter whether she believed Colin Powell or not. The US got what we wanted from the UN, but President Bush couldn’t afford to take “Yes” for an answer.
I was never for invading Iraq. I supported Afghanistan.
I’m just saying I understand retribution for NY.
I have no idea what Elvira is trying to sell me here, but I do know that “the only ones spooked by this offer are our competitors,” because she told me so and darnit I believe her
re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth
JUST IN: Trump: Maybe Obama “feels comfortable” in a mosque
Shut up and put a C-note on the communion wafers.
re: #144 WhatEVs
Or, as a senator from New York she was deeply affected by 9/11 and believed Powell.
So she was buying into the myth that Saddam was involved in 9/11? Honestly, that makes it worse.
I get what you’re saying, but it was a stupid vote, emotional or otherwise, and it led to a lot of fucking misery in Iraq and the world. Not that you’re doing this, but I can’t look it at as a spilled milk life lesson.
re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Maybe Trump feels comfortable at a Klan rally. After all, white nationalists love him. As I said earlier, there are 3.3 million Muslims that live in this country and the utter contempt that Republicans have for them is disgusting. I’m actually old enough to remember when Muslim-Americans thought the GOP was their party. The GOP is really going to regret treating all these minority groups like shit because they do remember and white conservatives aren’t going to have nearly the pull they once did in politics. Hell their decline has already begun.
re: #159 WhatEVs
I was never for invading Iraq. I supported Afghanistan.
I’m just saying I understand retribution for NY.
I still catch shit for saying we needed to go into Afghanistan.
re: #159 WhatEVs
I was never for invading Iraq. I supported Afghanistan.
I’m just saying I understand retribution for NY.
Iraq is a little different but the way I look at it is this, we need to learn from the mistakes of Iraq rather than get in a pissing match about who was right and who was wrong. By the way, you’re hearing this from a guy who protested Iraq before we even invaded back in the fall of 2002 at the age of 15.
re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth
JUST IN: Trump: Maybe Obama “feels comfortable” in a mosque
JUST IN: Trump apparently doesn’t think people should “feel comfortable” in a mosque
re: #164 Mattand
I still catch shit for saying we needed to go into Afghanistan.
I still don’t know, myself. Maybe we did, maybe we didn’t. But I totally understand supporting Afghanistan. Iraq? No.
re: #164 Mattand
I still catch shit for saying we needed to go into Afghanistan.
The people who bellyache about that one I think don’t remember. I supported that one too. The mistake made was how Bush and his guys immediately focused on Iraq when we hadn’t even been in Afghanistan a year yet. The Iraq Resolution passed I think in September of ‘02 maybe even earlier and we invaded Afghanistan I think in October.
re: #165 HappyWarrior
Iraq is a little different but the way I look at it is this, we need to learn from the mistakes of Iraq rather than get in a pissing match about who was right and who was wrong. By the way, you’re hearing this from a guy who protested Iraq before we even invaded back in the fall of 2002 at the age of 15.
I watched the CNN coverage of shock and awe while working out at the gym for my senior year gym class.
And I was pretty fucking pissed about it.
For what it’s worth, I’ve voted D in every election since then, but in terms of dealbreakers for me, that’s not on the list. Anti-choice? Anti-science? Anti-equal rights? Those are.
Made a mistake years ago and has owned up to it? Fuck, if we’re disqualifying people based on that principle, I’m a failure as a human being and should be taken out back and shot.
re: #168 HappyWarrior
The people who bellyache about that one I think don’t remember. I supported that one too. The mistake made was how Bush and his guys immediately focused on Iraq when we hadn’t even been in Afghanistan a year yet. The Iraq Resolution passed I think in September of ‘02 maybe even earlier and we invaded Afghanistan I think in October.
I’m hooking up with an old friend this weekend who’s an Afghanistan truther: thinks we went in there to secure land for an oil pipeline. He always just stops short of full blown 9/11 truthiness. Very odd.
re: #151 Mattand
Jesus, you might want to cover up that exposed nerve there, chief.
And, yeah, W was the fucking captain of his own ship. It’s called being “the President”. Even Cheney has acknowledged as much.
I wish people would knock off the whole “Bush was a puppet” nonsense.
Of course Cheney acknowledged as much. He would have been crazy to say otherwise. George W. Bush was a puppet because he didn’t know what was really going on in the world. He infamously flubbed a simple foreign policy question during the campaign when he not only didn’t know Pervez Musharref’s name, but acted like it wasn’t important. (As opposed to Herman Cain’s Uzbekybeckystan statement, Pakistan was an extremely important figure in our foreign policy). He also once said he looked into Putin’s eyes and took the measure of the man, or something to that effect. It was pretty obvious that he wanted to be President, but he didn’t want to preside. He couldn’t tell the difference between good advice and bad. He couldn’t tell who was trustworthy and who wasn’t. For God’s sake his foreign policy team was a bunch of Cold War experts. So, yeah, George W Bush was a puppet. He was a weak leader who let himself be pushed around because he was dumb enough and uninterested enough to know what to do.
re: #158 klys (maker of Silmarils)
I still remember the phone number of one of my best friends in high school.
This year will mark year 13 since she passed away.
I do, too. From 4th grade. She passed a few days ago.
re: #170 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Also, I would seriously love to go back and lecture 17 year old me about how much easier shit would be if I had just stayed in shape then. Or hell, been in shape then.
re: #173 WhatEVs
I do, too. From 4th grade. She passed a few days ago.
I saw the note yesterday. You’re in my thoughts - it’s never easy to lose someone like that. Ever. No matter what circumstances.
re: #162 Mattand
So she was buying into the myth that Saddam was involved in 9/11? Honestly, that makes it worse.
I get what you’re saying, but it was a stupid vote, emotional or otherwise, and it led to a lot of fucking misery in Iraq and the world. Not that you’re doing this, but I can’t look it at as a spilled milk life lesson.
I totally get it. And I understand completely.
I was on board for Iraq. But when friends started coming home covered in flags, and no WMD were found, I woke the fuck up. Never in my day did I think our government would lie so blatantly to us (after Vietnam). We will be dealing with the consequences for generations. Damn right I’m going to blame the Bush cabal for it.
re: #172 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
LOL, that’s just what the puppet master wants you to think!!! The denial of the coverup is part of the coverup!!
This upcoming election will be the first time in my life that I am voting for the Democratic candidate for President. I have voted third party since 2000.
re: #173 WhatEVs
I do, too. From 4th grade. She passed a few days ago.
Sorry to you both. Always tough to lose a friend and it doesn’t matter how old you are. We just had our ten year and we’ve lost three people already since we graduated.
re: #171 Mattand
I’m hooking up with an old friend this weekend who’s an Afghanistan truther: thinks we went in there to secure land for an oil pipeline. He always just stops short of full blown 9/11 truthiness. Very odd.
Oh boy.
*cough*
Trump blames Cruz for ObamaCare: https://t.co/6lNU0T8prh pic.twitter.com/jHeuOoliAh
— The Hill (@thehill) February 4, 2016
re: #149 ausador
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That was fantastic. (Wish he could go door-to-door talking to Berners.)
re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth
FFS, I had beers with a wingnut buddy of mine tonight (whom I love to death but he’s wrong about damn near everything) and he said to me “Hey, look at this. Obama went to a mosque but didn’t go to Walter Reed.” As if Obama had NEVER EVER visited troops at Walter Reed or anywhere else for that matter. Here are a few other things I “learned” from him tonight:
1.) Every military action/war the US is involved in, the UN is in all the meetings with US generals approving the war plans. I asked which UN generals were cleared to be there but he didn’t know.
2.) The war in Iraq was totally justifiable. Even now, after all we know, it was absolutely the right thing to do.
3.) I was asked what would I think when Obama admits he is a Muslim. I said I didn’t give a shit if he is one (which he’s not), and would prefer to have an atheist in the Oval Office.
4.) Obama is the CEO of the United States and with all of his lies, the stock price of the United States would have fallen to zero and he would have ben fired.
Fun night.
re: #175 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Thank you very much.
re: #172 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
Ironically, Herman Cain went on to marry Becky Ubecky, known affectionately to her friends as Stan.
re: #179 teleskiguy
This upcoming election will be the first time in my life that I am voting for the Democratic candidate for President. I have voted third party since 2000.
Mind I ask who your previous ones are? I just missed voting for Kerry. Voted for Obama both times. I’m proud of that but I know many of you didn’t vote for him the first time and don’t hold that against them because hey we all make mistakes. I’m a believer that it’s not about whether or whether not we make em, it’s about how we learn from em.
re: #183 Lidane
*cough*
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Uh yeah, about that Donald. Kind of hard to do that if you’re not in the Senate.
re: #174 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Also, I would seriously love to go back and lecture 17 year old me about how much easier shit would be if I had just stayed in shape then. Or hell, been in shape then.
Ha! The 62 year old me would like to go back and lecture the Klys-age me on weight and fitness. It’s all about the perspective.
re: #185 Billy Batts
I’m sorry.
If you think facts would make a difference, you could point out that Obama’s last visit to Walter Reed was in January, but I leave that to your judgment.
Holy cow. OJ was 21 years ago.
Good god how time flies.
re: #190 calochortus
Ha! The 62 year old me would like to go back and lecture the Klys-age me on weight and fitness. It’s all about the perspective.
I try to remind myself that at least I’m doing it now.
re: #192 WhatEVs
Holy cow. OJ was 21 years ago.
Good god how time flies.
I was in fifth grade.
You’re all welcome.
re: #185 Billy Batts
3.) I was asked what would I think when Obama admits he is a Muslim. I said I didn’t give a shit if he is one (which he’s not), and would prefer to have an atheist in the Oval Office.
Are you still mopping explodey head parts?
re: #192 WhatEVs
Holy cow. OJ was 21 years ago.
Good god how time flies.
I’ll never forgive the Juice for interrupting game six of the NBA Finals between my beloved Rockets and the Knicks.
re: #185 Billy Batts
FFS, I had beers with a wingnut buddy of mine (whom I love to death but he’s wrong about damn near everything) and he said to me “Hey, look at this. Obama went to a mosque but didn’t go to Walter Reed.” As if Obama had NEVER EVER visited troops at Walter Reed or anywhere else for that matter. Here are a few other things I “learned” from him tonight:
1.) Every military action/war the US is involved in, the UN is in all the meetings with US generals approving the war plans. I asked which UN generals were cleared to be there but he didn’t know.
2.) The war in Iraq was totally justifiable. Even now, after all we know, it was absolutely the right thing to do.
3.) I was asked what would I think when Obama admits he is a Muslim. I said I didn’t give a shit if he is one (which he’s not), and would prefer to have an atheist in the Oval Office.
4.) Obama is the CEO of the United States and with all of his lies, the stock price of the United States would have fallen to zero and he would have ben fired.
Fun night.
3.)
Sometimes I just humor people like that. I’m not by nature a combative person so with that you just have to go along. Sometimes you know you’re outnumbered too. We had a baseball tournament for my brother and I sat with the parents at the dinner and the election naturally came up. My mom and I were the only ones as far as I could tell that were liberals. This county has gone for Obama twice but we’re in the red area. As I’ve said before, my state senator is Cruz’s state chair and literally wrote a letter to Bashar Al-Assad praising him. Agh sometimes it’s easier to just shut up even though you want to scream.
re: #159 WhatEVs
I understand your wanting retribution, but you gotta expect better from your leaders. I was against the war. I argued at the time that it would be the worst foreign policy mistake since Barbarossa. Well, that may have been a little dramatic overkill, but that’s what I said at the time. When I got the usual blowback about being a liberal pussy, I would just say that the same people who emphasized not going to Baghdad in 1991 were now suddenly gung ho to go there now. It was a terrible idea in 1991 and it was a terrible idea in 2002/03.
re: #194 Mattand
No, but he looked at me like I was crazy!
re: #192 WhatEVs
Holy cow. OJ was 21 years ago.
Good god how time flies.
Thing I remember most about the O.J case was how many attorneys he had.
re: #129 Mattand
To be honest, I still hold Iraq against Clinton. I was skeptical of Colin Powell’s “ZOMG, MOBILE WEAPONS LABS!!!” UN speech. Not that I have any great insight on the Middle East or anything like that, but it was painfully obvious W was itching to work out his daddy issues by conquering Iraq.
If I could see it, Clinton should have seen it. To me, it felt like she (and Kerry, for that matter) was eager enough to authorize war so no one could say she hated America. It’s a common Democratic reflex.
It was stupid vote and helped pave the way to a ton of economic misery, Middle East instability, and tens of thousands of dead people. I absolutely give Sanders the check mark for that one.
And if Sanders gets the nod, I will vote for him November.
That said: Bernie Sanders winning the Dem POTUS nom guarantees a Republican President. Full stop. The GOP will not stop tarring him as a SOCIALIST!!!!! until months after the inauguration, and the American voter will be stupid enough to fall for it.
EDIT: “instability”
Yeah, I understand your position. I will completely cop to being a 9/11 Democrat-voting idiot.
On that morning (I was an elderly grad student) I was loaning my car to a Japanese grad student so that he could get his license. As I drove him back to his dorm, I heard the first report on the radio that a building had been struck. I dropped him off and then drove to our campus grad-family housing, and my wife was waiting for me, holding our 3-month-old baby, crying. We went inside to see the second plane and all the rest. Then I went to teach. I feel like a depression like a veil came across me from that day. I struggled to finish my dissertation; I was more antagonistic as a teacher; I needed help. I got help. I finished my dissertation.
I am much better now. But not entirely.
I think it is important on an individual level and on a national level to think about the impact of such events even if we experienced them at a distance. I really like reading your post. It made it visceral for me again.
re: #193 klys (maker of Silmarils)
I try to remind myself that at least I’m doing it now.
I was in fifth grade.
You’re all welcome.
Please stand on my lawn so I can yell at you to get off of it.
Then I’ll go get water from my perfectly fixed fridge.
re: #171 Mattand
I’m hooking up with an old friend this weekend who’s an Afghanistan truther: thinks we went in there to secure land for an oil pipeline. He always just stops short of full blown 9/11 truthiness. Very odd.
Did he ever answer where the pipeline was supposed to go? I’d love to have heard that!
Oh, the best part is that we all nicknamed my friend the “Minister of Information” years ago.
re: #179 teleskiguy
This upcoming election will be the first time in my life that I am voting for the Democratic candidate for President. I have voted third party since 2000.
I voted Libertarian instead of Bush 1. I read and liked the platform. 5 years later I had a blind date with a Libertarian who was completely insufferable. I spent an hour and a half wishing I was home washing my hair. I begged off the movie and left. I lost any concept that I could be a lib after that.
I’ve known about this for a while, as a Jenna Coleman fan, but apparently, Emilia Clark (Daenarys Targaryen from Game of Thrones), Charles Dance (Tywin Lannister in the same, and Matthew Lewis (Neville Longbottom in Harry Potter), are appearing in this movie.
I am not sure what to think about this. From the trailer, it seems that Jenna’s character in this is not that far removed from Clara Oswald in personality type.
re: #185 Billy Batts
A few years ago I had a conversation about the Vietnam War with a friend. She maintained that we won because we stayed long enough to deal a fatal blow to communism, without which our children would have attended Communist Martyrs High School instead of wherever they actually went. (OK, I made up the part about Commie Martyrs High. The rest of the conversation left me speechless.)
I have an older co-worker who’s a fun guy but he lives in a black and white “See, Democrats are DUMB and Republicans are SMART” world. His gem from today: “Democrats don’t understand how Republicans think, but Republicans understand how Democrats think because a lot of us used to be Democrats, but we grew up and gave up on the fairy tale of everything being fair for everyone”… Dude seems utterly oblivious to the racist, fascist hate core of the modern GOP, and the fact that the conflict isn’t collectivism vs. individualism anymore, but of “functioning government vs. burn it all down.” I don’t really even know what to say to the guy about politics because he’s got it all figgerd out.
Anyway I was telling him about an episode of South Park today - Season 6, Episode 13 for anybody counting - and when I looked it up, I saw that it was dated 2002.
“Fuck, that’s 14 years ago!!!”
I felt old.
re: #201 Mattand
Please stand on my lawn so I can yell at you to get off of it.
Then I’ll go get water from my perfectly fixed fridge.
So mean. :(
re: #193 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Grrrrrr. You young whippersnapper (and, no, I don’t know what that means. :-)
re: #205 WhatEVs
I voted Libertarian instead of Bush 1. I read and liked the platform. 5 years later I had a blind date with a Libertarian who was completely insufferable. I spent an hour and a half wishing I was home washing my hair. I begged off the movie and left. I lost any concept that I could be a lib after that.
I actually know a good amount of them due to my alma mater. They kind of fascinate me. Some of them are just conservatives in denial but some really do believe in the social liberal stuff but are frankly bonkers on economics. I’m sure they’d say the same about me I guess but I guess what I’m getting at is I find Libertarians amusing because they’re really some of the most overly idealistic people you’ll ever meet. They like to say socialists are the ones who are overly idealistic but IMO the Libers are just like em but except on the other end of the economic coin. They can be insufferable though.
re: #192 WhatEVs
Holy cow. OJ was 21 years ago.
Good god how time flies.
You’re telling me. But you know what never gets old? Jello molds!
The strain of libertarianism now is beyond insufferable, it is obnoxious.
re: #203 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
Did he ever answer where the pipeline was supposed to go? I’d love to have heard that!
If memory serves, it was an oil pipeline that was supposed to run from the Black Sea to the Indian Ocean via Afghanistan.
I might still have the link, but this got busted shortly after 9/11. There were oil companies during Clinton’s administration looking at running oil that way, but they basically toured Afghanistan, went “Okay, there’s no way we can protect the line in this hellhole of a country” and split.
Shortly after that, the Russian oil boom took off and negated the need to create something like that. Again, this is all from memory, so I might be off a bit.
I sent him the link years ago. There might have been a “Yeah, but BUSH” response. Whenever I would to start point out he was dancing in truther territory, the conversation would end.
re: #160 De Kolta Chair
I have no idea what Elvira is trying to sell me here, but I do know that “the only ones spooked by this offer are our competitors,” because she told me so and darnit I believe her
Computer-Aided Software Engineering.
Oldschool software development tools and environment frameworks.
re: #212 De Kolta Chair
I have one in the shape of Webby from Duck Tales. That was the jello mold that all my half-birthday jellos were to be served in.
re: #213 Billy Batts
The strain of libertarianism now is beyond insufferable, it is obnoxious.
Von Mises Economics. Damn observable data and focus on the theory! Yet another reason why they’re like doctrinaire socialists. They’re constantly whining why no one takes them seriously and I try being nice and pointing out that absolutism whether in social issues, economics, or FP is no way for a party to succeed.
re: #216 klys (maker of Silmarils)
I have one in the shape of Webby from Duck Tales. That was the jello mold that all my half-birthday jellos were to be served in.
Life is like a hurricane here in Duckburg.
re: #188 HappyWarrior
2000 - Ralph Nader
2004 - David Cobb
2008 - Thomas Stevens
2012 - Gary Johnson
Yeah, I know. That looks like I’m a fuckin’ kook. By 2004 I became disinterested in up-ballot stuff, those votes from 2004 on is me consciously throwing my vote away. I’m more interested and concerned about down-ballot stuff. School board. County sheriff. Mill levies. Road funding. Fire Dept. funding. That’s why I vote in every election.
Rest assured, I am voting for the Democratic nominee this go-around. Hell, in the 2014 General Election I voted straight Democratic down the whole ballot for the first time in my life. Unfortunately, Colorado Dems lost a U.S. Senate seat and several seats in the state house. We were able to reelect Dem John Hickenlooper governor, so, eh.
re: #199 HappyWarrior
Thing I remember most about the O.J case was how many attorneys he had.
The thing I remember most was how bad, truly horrible, the prosecution was. From the preliminary (I think it was the prelim), which they aired before the actual trial, it was apparent they sucked. They couldn’t even handle the coroner properly. It was a circus. They sucked that badly.
re: #218 HappyWarrior
Life is like a hurricane here in Duckburg.
Gummmmmmmmmmmmmmi beaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars. Bouncing here and there and everywhereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. High adventure that’s beyond compaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare.
Ahem.
Witching hour haz arrived in the backwoods.
niterz, lizardz!
re: #155 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
I still remember people’s phone numbers. If I’m not sure I just “dial” (heh) what I think it is and I’m usually right. Nowadays, with new numbers, I’m not so lucky because I don’t dial the number I just hit the contact.
About to show my age here, but does anyone else remember party lines?
re: #141 BeachDem
Hey Sleuth, remember when you posted that
hurricanetornado near Columbia, SC earlier? Not to worry, it was just Bill.(my friend with WJC)
That’s something else Bernie doesn’t have now, and might not get for the general if nominated - having Bill available to do campaign work.
re: #218 HappyWarrior
Life is like a hurricane here in Duckburg.
Hands up, everybody who is now playing this theme song in their head with complete lyrics pretty much memorized because Ducktales is one of the best adventure shows ever made and they watched it religiously on the Disney Afternoon when they got home from school
Race cars lasers aeroplaaanes, it’s a duck-ler
You might solve a mys-try
Or re-write hist-ry
Duck tales, owee ooh…
re: #147 GlutenFreeJesus
I remember having to crank the phone.
I remember when the heavy black phone had a cloth ‘cable’ that frayed.
re: #216 klys (maker of Silmarils)
I have one in the shape of Webby from Duck Tales. That was the jello mold that all my half-birthday jellos were to be served in.
Cool. My late mother-in-law left us with some neat jello molds. I was in the hospital for a week last year and after three days of non-solid food the first thing I was allowed to eat was jello. Couldn’t get enough of it for two days, before the jello ennui set in.
re: #219 teleskiguy
2000 - Ralph Nader
2004 - David Cobb
2008 - Thomas Stevens
2012 - Gary JohnsonYeah, I know. That looks like I’m a fuckin’ kook. By 2004 I became disinterested in up-ballot stuff, those votes from 2004 on is me consciously throwing my vote away. I’m more interested and concerned about down-ballot stuff. School board. County sheriff. Mill levies. Road funding. Fire Dept. funding. That’s why I vote in every election.
Rest assured, I am voting for the Democratic nominee this go-around. Hell, in the 2014 General Election I voted straight Democratic down the whole ballot for the first time in my life. Unfortunately, Colorado Dems lost a U.S. Senate seat and several seats in the state house. We were able to reelect Dem John Hickenlooper governor, so, eh.
Don’t sweat it. I am just fascinated by how people change their views over times. I’m listening to a book now by John Dos Passos, started out as a lefty type, attacking FDR for not being lefty enough but spent his later years campaigning for Goldwater and Nixon and writing for National Review. I think people who tend to start out from an extreme view point often end up on the other end because once they get disillusioned, they feel everything they had stood for had to have been wrong. So a passionate socialist after witnessing the reality of say the Stalinist USSR comes to treat any form of welfare state government as being akin to the USSR. It’s sad really.
re: #225 Pawn of the Oppressor
God, Disney had some of the awesomest cartoons in that time period. Duck Tales, Rescue Rangers, Gummi Bears, Tail Spin…
re: #221 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Gummmmmmmmmmmmmmi beaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars. Bouncing here and there and everywhereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. High adventure that’s beyond compaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare.
Ahem.
So many catchy theme songs from our childhood eh?
re: #229 klys (maker of Silmarils)
I remember 3 of those, though you missed one. Darkwing Duck.
Also, earworm time.
re: #227 De Kolta Chair
Jello ennui can be cured by watching Duck Tales. Always consult a doctor first.
re: #225 Pawn of the Oppressor
Hands up, everybody who is now playing this theme song in their head with complete lyrics pretty much memorized because Ducktales is one of the best adventure shows ever made and they watched it religiously on the Disney Afternoon when they got home from school
Race cars lasers aeroplaaanes, it’s a duck-ler
You might solve a mys-try
Or re-write hist-ry
Duck tales, owee ooh…
It’s so funny because I only really remember one episode, I think Huey, Dewey, and Louie go to Camelot or something. What a catchy theme song that is though. I liked more Nickeldeon shows and I’m not ashamed to admit that when I have a hard time getting to sleep, I put on old Are You Afraid of hte Darks.
re: #231 Ziggy_TARDIS
I remember 3 of those, though you missed one. Darkwing Duck.
Also, earworm time.
Darkwing Duck was later, along with Gargoyles and The Mighty Ducks animated series. WHICH yes, I did watch.
In retrospect, that I like hockey should not have been a surprise.
re: #231 Ziggy_TARDIS
re: #229 klys (maker of Silmarils)
God, Disney had some of the awesomest cartoons in that time period. Duck Tales, Rescue Rangers, Gummi Bears, Tail Spin…
Don’t forget about Gargoyles - personally my favorite Disney Animation show from back then. How they were able to convince local syndicators that show was geared toward school-age kids still is beyond my comprehension.
re: #230 HappyWarrior
So many catchy theme songs from our childhood eh?
I still remember this one.
We’re off to outer space
We’re leaving mother Earth
To save, the human race
Our Star BlazersSearching for a distant star
Heading off to Iscandar
Leaving all we love behind
Who knows what dangers we’ll findWe must be strong and brave
Our home we have to save
If we don’t in just one year
Mother Earth will disappearFighting with the Gamalons
We won’t stop until we’ve won
Then we’ll return and when we arrive
The Earth will survive with our Star Blazers
Let’s see: Rugrats, Ren and Stimpy, Doug, Aaaah Real Monsters, Hey Arnold, Rocko’s Modern Life. Yeah those were fun. I am glad Nick is aware how much nostagia kids from that era have for those shows. I even remember why we got cable in the first place. We were at a motel at the beach and my brother and I discovered Ren and Stimpy, and the rest is history. We kind of rib our youngest brother because he never lived in a time we didn’t have cable or a computer in the house.
As much as I was against the Iraq war, and with all the contempt I held for the Bush administration, here’s a fun fact: If I had been a Senator, I would have voted in favor of the authorization for the use of force. First, the authorization is not an order to use force. It sounds like a terrible cop-out, but it is true. The most important reason I would have voted in favor was that the executive handles foreign policy and national defense. Undercutting the executive at such a time would have had ramifications far worse (in my opinion) than voting for the authorization. You have to remember that the vote took place in October 2002, the UN did not yet have full access to Iraq. AFTER the authorization the UN passed resolution 1441 and gave Iraq a final ultimatum to comply, which it DID. I don’t think that would have happened if Congress hadn’t voted for the authorization. The US got what it wanted from the UN and from Iraq, and that vote was a major factor. Sadly, the Bush administration couldn’t take yes for an answer.
re: #233 HappyWarrior
re: #235 klys (maker of Silmarils)
In MY day, we had to draw hundreds of stick figures on paper, tape them to the TV, and then rip them down in rapid succession to create the animation!
Which was stupid, because the TV worked perfectly fine and there were tons of cartoons on every afternoon. In retrospect, the neighborhood probably was too close to the lead smelting plant.
re: #239 HappyWarrior
I didn’t have cable growing up. No Nick for me.
It’s a corporatist conspiracy, don’t you see, wake up sheeple!
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re: #211 HappyWarrior
I actually know a good amount of them due to my alma mater. They kind of fascinate me. Some of them are just conservatives in denial but some really do believe in the social liberal stuff but are frankly bonkers on economics. I’m sure they’d say the same about me I guess but I guess what I’m getting at is I find Libertarians amusing because they’re really some of the most overly idealistic people you’ll ever meet. They like to say socialists are the ones who are overly idealistic but IMO the Libers are just like em but except on the other end of the economic coin. They can be insufferable though.
This guy was like a militia nut on government, without the camo or the guns.
re: #237 Bill and Opus for 2016!
Don’t forget about Gargoyles - personally my favorite Disney Animation show from back then. How they were able to convince local syndicators that show was geared toward school-age kids still is beyond my comprehension.
See, that was in round 2, which I noticed when I was older than 5-6.
re: #212 De Kolta Chair
You’re telling me. But you know what never gets old? Jello molds!
And here I thought it was fruitcake. I still think there’s only one and it just gets pawned off some new sucker every year.
re: #242 klys (maker of Silmarils)
I didn’t have cable growing up. No Nick for me.
Ah gotcha. I think we got it when I was seven. I don’t remember what cartoons I watched before then. I do remember some of my favorite movies though- Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure(that and not BTF was the film that made me have one of my first Aspie obsessions, time travel, I think because of the historical figures), I also remember an Alvin and Chipmunks movie too, a decent one not that weird CGI stuff they have now.
re: #239 HappyWarrior
I’m still a hopeless Spongebob geek. My daughter always got a kick out of me watching over her shoulder.
re: #244 WhatEVs
This guy was like a militia nut on government, without the camo or the guns.
Oh jeez. What’s funny is a lot of them working more closely with the government than I ever have sans my stint as a HR intern.
re: #248 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
I’m still a hopeless Spongebob geek. My daughter always got a kick out of me watching over her shoulder.
My kid brother still loves Spongebob. It’s what he bonds with our other brother’s wife over heh. I think Spongebob was one of the first things she watched after her family emigrated here and she learned a good amount of English from it, not too sure about it but it’s a funny show. They get a good amount of celebrities too. Ernest Borgine was Mermaid Man.
re: #247 HappyWarrior
We tried it for one summer and my mom decided I watched too much TV.
So now I have the Internet instead.
re: #248 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
I’m still a hopeless Spongebob geek. My daughter always got a kick out of me watching over her shoulder.
One of my fondest memories is my father-in-law, my husband and my son lined up on the couch watching Rocky and his Friends (or Rocky and Bullwinkle, or whatever they were calling it at that moment.) The adults and the child laughed at different times, but they were all having a great time.
re: #243 ausador
It’s a corporatist conspiracy, don’t you see, wake up sheeple!
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And AC doesn’t have the excuse of having to have the SS around the event. Not that I like HRC and the others speakers fees but the expensive speakers fees to use Michael Corleone’s words to Senator Geary is everyone being part of the same hypocrisy.
Apparently MSNBC should be called HCMSNBC because they are really sucking up to Hillary and are being mean to Bernie. Why do I have the feeling this is anything but true….
My father invited all his friends and their kids over every Thursday for a time so we could all watch the new Ren & Stimpy. We had a 52” big-screen TV, one of those huge bulky rear-projection clunkers, back in the day. We hosted football for our whole block every Sunday because of that TV, it was a party. I’ll always cherish those Ren & Stimpy parties though. My father insisted on getting a big group in the living room to watch that show. Good times.
re: #251 klys (maker of Silmarils)
We tried it for one summer and my mom decided I watched too much TV.
So now I have the Internet instead.
Aha. I always kept pretty busy outside in the summers. Kick the Can, Hide and Seek, IT, lots of fun games to be played in the neighborhood.
Call me sappy, but I’m starting to miss Rand Paul’s desperate pleas for pocket change.
Eek! The Cat and its companion The Terrible Thunderlizards is another one that’s nearly lost to cartoon obscurity. IMO one of the funniest freaking shows ever, my introduction to Savage Steve Holland, full of jokes I still quote 25 years later (“It never hurts to help!” or “This is my girlfriend Annabelle, isn’t she a beauty?” Response: “She’s kind of… Um… Fat…”) And of course, Sharky The Shark Dog.
I have a shiny new Sister Fidelma mystery from the library, and I think it’s book time.
Hasta mañana, Lizards.
re: #255 teleskiguy
My father invited all his friends and their kids over every Thursday for a time so we could all watch the new Ren & Stimpy. We had a 52” big-screen TV, one of those huge bulky rear-projection clunkers, back in the day. We hosted football for our whole block every Sunday because of that TV, it was a party. I’ll always cherish those Ren & Stimpy parties though. My father insisted on getting a big group in the living room to watch that show. Good times.
My favorite Ren and Stimpy will always be the Lincoln Memorial one. I was delighted when my American history professor showed a clip of it in his Lincoln montage. Ya see, this professor at the end of an unit would put together these montages using popular culture. He put together an awesome one of Lincoln that included the R&S episode but also Marian Anderson singing there after the DAR famously refused to let her sing and Eleanor Roosevelt interceded. Wow, Marian Anderson and Ren and Stimpy in the same sentence. Anyhow what a great show that was. It’s too bad that John K seems like a bit of a jerk though.
It frustrates me, sometimes, that people who were cheerleaders for the invasion of Iraq are critical of other people who were for the invasion of Iraq, as if they themselves are somehow blameless.
It’s hard for me to understand.
re: #240 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
I also don’t think you would have to believe that Saddam was behind 9/11, because that was just stupid. I was really against the Iraq War, but I can see how you might be for it for some reasons, but not that one.
re: #254 GlutenFreeJesus
Apparently MSNBC should be called HCMSNBC because they are really sucking up to Hillary and are being mean to Bernie. Why do I have the feeling this is anything but true….
I thought they were in the tank for Trump since he’s literally all I’ve seen every single time I dared to go to their channel. I gave up. I don’t watch any cable news. I’ll watch Lester Holt in the networks on occasion. The guy on CBS is horrible.
re: #257 De Kolta Chair
Call me sappy, but I’m starting to miss Rand Paul’s desperate pleas for pocket change.
Bastard still owes me a signed baseball but maybe I’ll ask Bryce Harper if I go to a Nats game this summer to sign a Constitution.
re: #255 teleskiguy
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re: #262 retired cynic
I also don’t think you would have to believe that Saddam was behind 9/11, because that was just stupid. I was really against the Iraq War, but I can see how you might be for it for some reasons, but not that one.
Yeah the idea of a Bin Laden-Hussein alliance was so stupid.
re: #257 De Kolta Chair
Call me sappy, but I’m starting to miss Rand Paul’s desperate pleas for pocket change.
For just $5, you don’t have to go without!
re: #263 WhatEVs
I’ve enjoyed Lester since he was on local Chicago news. :)
Speaking of cartoons.
Tom of T.H.U.M.B.
The Herculoids
re: #262 retired cynic
I thought that we should have treated Sadaam Hussein the way we treated Qaddafi. Basically, if you knock that shit off, we’ll let you die of old age (more or less). Libya pretty much toned things down after the 80s, basically when they “got the message” Here is a “charitable” defense of the hawks in 2002/03: Hussein’s problem was that he didn’t have the hold on power that Qaddafi did, and I think he believed he needed his opponents, like the Kurds and others, to believe he still had WMD’s and he had to try to play both sides of the fence. He could neither come clean and admit he had no WMDs and risk rebellion, or try to string the UN (and with it the US) along for awhile. I never heard anybody try that argument.
Say what you will about Megyn Kelly, but she’s the only person on tv who interviews hobos.
What I hated and this is where I do fault the Bush administration is how critics of the war were treated. It’s why I laugh when the Republicans complain about how Obama treats them.
re: #271 De Kolta Chair
Say what you will about Megyn Kelly, but she’s the only person on tv who interviews hobos.
He’s pink.
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re: #252 calochortus
One of my fondest memories is my father-in-law, my husband and my son lined up on the couch watching Rocky and his Friends (or Rocky and Bullwinkle, or whatever they were calling it at that moment.) The adults and the child laughed at different times, but they were all having a great time.
Loved Mr Peabody, back in the day, but I’m sure I missed half the jokes the grown-ups caught. Ditto Looney Tunes! We’re lucky — the good old days had some pretty good stuff, and modern technology gives us VCRs and DVDs to go back and enjoy it again :)
re: #268 GlutenFreeJesus
I’ve enjoyed Lester since he was on local Chicago news. :)
I liked him in Chicago (my hometown). Hated the sports dude, though.
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re: #265 klys (maker of Silmarils)
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re: #272 HappyWarrior
What I hated and this is where I do fault the Bush administration is how critics of the war were treated. It’s why I laugh when the Republicans complain about how Obama treats them.
I argued upstairs that that treatment was key to their strategy of creating (in TurdBlossum’s words) a lasting Republican majority. The war, gay marriage, gays in the military were all wedge issues to marginalize the Democrats. The Republicans were actually the proud owners of a lasting Republican minority at the time (which they still are). They still have to play on fear, rely on gerrymandering, and voter ID laws to have any chance nationally.
re: #223 Bill and Opus for 2016!
About to show my age here, but does anyone else remember party lines?
I know of one still in use here in rural Wisconsin… They pay a lot of money to do so too.
Well, goodnight all. That jello ain’t gonna mold itself.
re: #223 Bill and Opus for 2016!
About to show my age here, but does anyone else remember party lines?
My grandmother had one when she lived for awhile in rural NC. The first time I visited her I kept screwing things up because I kept answering the phone.
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re: #279 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
I argued upstairs that that treatment was key to their strategy of creating (in TurdBlossum’s words) a lasting Republican majority. The war, gay marriage, gays in the military were all wedge issues to marginalize the Democrats. The Republicans were actually the proud owners of a lasting Republican minority at the time (which they still are). They still have to play on fear, rely on gerrymandering, and voter ID laws to have any chance nationally.
Right, I agree with you on that. What made it worse honestly is a lot of those critics were people from his father’s administration. I mean the narrative pushed was that everyone opposed to the war was just a dumb hippie and I was a dumb hippie but a lot of people with a lot more knowledge of FP weren’t.
re: #229 klys (maker of Silmarils)
God, Disney had some of the awesomest cartoons in that time period. Duck Tales, Rescue Rangers, Gummi Bears, Tail Spin…
I prefer the other essential from my son’s Era - Kim Possible, Avatar, etc.
The thing though that amazes me is that Cheney in ‘91 thought that going into Baghdad would have been a mistake but 12 years later it was damn the torpedoes full speed ahead. A lot of people have said that 9-11 changed Cheney but I’ve heard other people say it really started changing in the late 90’s. I dunno. Cheney will make a great study someday when more information is available and frankly a lot of the key characters are either really old or dead.
re: #278 teleskiguy
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And of course the story how Cheney came to be Bush’s VP is interesting in its own right. In 2000, i don’t really remember Cheney standing out to me.
I love it when people who actually HAVE enemies lists project their crazy shit onto me.
re: #287 HappyWarrior
The thing about a historical examination of Dick Cheney is that I think you’ll have a hard time getting good sources. A lot of people will change their tune by the time they have to answer to history, and I just don’t think you’ll find much stuff from the period. The W administration did a good job of scrubbing the records.
re: #248 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
We watch Sponegbob every morning before school. It can get annoying, but every once in awhile, they catch me laughing.
Not all that surprising that seniors don’t see it, but am surprised the numbers are so high overall.
‘Americans think a revolution might be needed to redistribute wealth” Startling new poll from @voxdotcom pic.twitter.com/Si4MqBjlFa
— Paul Kirby (@paul1kirby) February 4, 2016
re: #291 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
The thing about a historical examination of Dick Cheney is that I think you’ll have a hard time getting good sources. A lot of people will change their tune by the time they have to answer to history, and I just don’t think you’ll find much stuff from the period. The W administration did a good job of scrubbing the records.
Good point. Very unfortunate in any case.
re: #293 ausador
Not all that surprising that seniors don’t see it, but am surprised the numbers are so high overall.
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Wait a majority of Tea Party supporters agree with this. Do these idiots even know what they want from the government?
re: #295 HappyWarrior
Teabaggers think the poor have too much.
re: #296 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
Teabaggers think the poor have too much.
Well the question was “In the next decade, a political revolution might be needed to redistribute wealth from the wealthy to the middle class.” Maybe I’m missing something. Getting tired.
I was listening to Bernie’s healthcare plan and the part about saving $5000 sounded like a Republican plan that will give you a $5000 to buy insurance. I’m just not buying Bernie’s plan here. Also, his answers on foreign policy are too weak. Something about “Muslim fighters” and the King of Jordan. Oh, and he voted against the Iraq war. Again, those aren’t foreign policies.
I just think Hillary is 10 times better at this and has 10 times more experience. She did an excellent job tonight.
re: #293 ausador
Not all that surprising that seniors don’t see it, but am surprised the numbers are so high overall.
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Well, that’s…confusing. WTF teabaggers. Make up your minds.
re: #297 HappyWarrior
Teabaggers stop at the word “redistribute”. It’s some sort of clarion call or something.
re: #299 WhatEVs
Well, that’s…confusing. WTF teabaggers. Make up your minds.
Seriouslly. Then again they claim not to want government spending but yet they want to be able to keep the people htey don’t want out. It’s typical right wing not understanding that you need money but then again it’s not entirely their fault. Their party are the geniuses that pushed tax cuts while at the same time fighting two wars. Proving once again that Republicans aren’t as smart at managing the economy as they insist they are.
re: #300 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
Teabaggers stop at the word “redistribute”. It’s some sort of clarion call or something.
I know but that was the question here and they appear to have agreed with it but as I said tired and it’s a lot like how people like ACA but oppose Obamacare.
re: #301 HappyWarrior
It’s hard to be consistent when you’re throwing a tantrum.
re: #298 Jenner7
I was listening to Bernie’s healthcare plan and the part about saving $5000 sounded like a Republican plan that will give you a $5000 to buy insurance. I’m just not buying Bernie’s plan here. Also, his answers on foreign policy are too weak. Something about “Muslim fighters” and the King of Jordan. Oh, and he voted against the Iraq war. Again, those aren’t foreign policies.
I just think Hillary is 10 times better at this and has 10 times more experience. She did an excellent job tonight.
i am disappointed with how little he seems to know about FP. I mean for someone who’s been in Congress since before Hillary’s husband became President, you think he would know a little by now. I mean I don’t expect Biden knowledge out there but Bernie do your homework.
re: #303 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
It’s hard to be consistent when you’re throwing a tantrum.
This is true. And that whole movement is just that, a gigantic tantrum.
re: #288 klys (maker of Silmarils)
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re: #298 Jenner7
Bernie’s very optomistic numbers don’t add up…
.@speechboy71 With the GOP and its supporters still breathing? NO. Plus his optimistic plan numbers don’t add uphttps://t.co/5Gw6ACmzsZ
— why ask (@ausador) February 4, 2016
re: #304 HappyWarrior
i am disappointed with how little he seems to know about FP. I mean for someone who’s been in Congress since before Hillary’s husband became President, you think he would know a little by now. I mean I don’t expect Biden knowledge out there but Bernie do your homework.
My take exactly. That puts him in line with every other candidate running (I don’t know who Gary Johnson is), but after being in the senate as long as he has, it should have rubbed off by osmosis, if nothing else.
re: #307 ausador
Bernie’s very optomistic numbers don’t add up…
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I thought Clinton made a good point about how we’re at about 90% right now insured and it’s better to work from that to 100% rather than a complete revamp. I’ve seen some economists make the point that Bernie’s plan would be a good starting point but Hillary’s idea is better given the realities of our health care system and I’m inclined to agree. Our system isn’t ideal but we can improve it.
re: #223 Bill and Opus for 2016!
About to show my age here, but does anyone else remember party lines?
Guess it shows my age, too: but I actually had to use a party line (though there were only half-a-dozen users on it, all in a mini-complex) when I lived in Malibu (CA) in 1978. Presumably they’ve upgraded since.
re: #308 WhatEVs
My take exactly. That puts him in line with every other candidate running (I don’t know who Gary Johnson is), but after being in the senate as long as he has, it should have rubbed off by osmosis, if nothing else.
It’s really disappointing. And it’s a big part of the job.
re: #215 Bill and Opus for 2016!
Computer-Aided Software Engineering.
Oldschool software development tools and environment frameworks.
Btw, thanks for the info, Bill and Opus for 2016!
re: #306 teleskiguy
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re: #310 Jay C
Guess it shows my age, too: but I actually had to use a party line (though there were only half-a-dozen users on it, all in a mini-complex) when I lived in Malibu (CA) in 1978. Presumably they’ve upgraded since.
*Dah, dah, deh*
The number you have dialed is on your party line, please hang up until the other party has answered.
*ring, ring, ring, silence*
*picks up phone*
“Hello?”
re: #308 WhatEVs
My take exactly. That puts him in line with every other candidate running (I don’t know who Gary Johnson is), but after being in the senate as long as he has, it should have rubbed off by osmosis, if nothing else.
Gary Johnson is a libertarian, who is past his sell by date.
re: #223 Bill and Opus for 2016!
About to show my age here, but does anyone else remember party lines?
My husband’s family had a party line, in rural Texas in the early 60’s. I was a city kid, we had a single line, but I remember the transition from Dexter 3-xxx- xxxx to DE3-xxx- xxxx to 333-xxx- xxxx. Also the annoying transition to mandatory 10-digit dialing when the instituted the 720 area code in Denver.
Yep, we’re olds