Saturday Night Acoustic Excellence: Mike Dawes, “Overload”

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This is just fantastic, with tastefully subtle effects that enhance the composition. Mike Dawes is one of the best in this two-handed style.

The official video for ‘Overload’ by Mike Dawes. DOWNLOAD NOW (Pay what you want) at http://mikedawes.bandcamp.com DOWNLOAD TAB at http://mikedawes.com

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All the sounds you hear on this song are produced by one guitar, played live by one person. Additional effects (Reverb Spike, Octave, Wah, Delay) produced by the guitar pedals on the floor.

Mike Dawes uses the Dimarzio Black Angel magnetic pickup and Ernie Ball Aluminium Bronze strings.

“Overload is based on a jam I came up with in the bathroom of the Blue Note in New York (great reverb by the way!) The tune stemmed from this rhythmic hook and followed me all over the world. It ultimately ended up being composed entirely on the road.

Overload is about the chaos of urban life, travelling, digital media, all the distractions that keep you away from yourself, and time to breathe within your own space. It can all get a little much sometimes.”

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385 comments
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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2016 • 8:39:18pm
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freetoken  Aug 13, 2016 • 8:44:12pm

Really underwhelmed at what offerings Netflix have online now. A few years back they seemed to keep a deeper catalog, especially of theatrical releases.

Or am I imagining this?

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Belafon  Aug 13, 2016 • 8:46:52pm

re: #2 freetoken

Really underwhelmed at what offerings Netflix have online now. A few years back they seemed to keep a deeper catalog, especially of theatrical releases.

Or am I imagining this?

Some of the studios have been forcing Netflix to remove items. BBC, for instance, has had Netflix remove a lot of their stuff.

I’ve noticed my viewing tends to go in waves. I’ll watch a lot of stuff, and then there’s nothing new for me to watch for a while.

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freetoken  Aug 13, 2016 • 8:53:48pm

re: #3 Belafon

Yup, noticed the dearth of BBC stuff. All around, the “documentaries” section of Netflix is in a sad state.

Hulu is benefitting from their tie-in to NBCU, I think. Their catalog appears to have a better selection of more recent stuff too.

Both appear to be loading up on inexpensive anime.

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Anymouse  Aug 13, 2016 • 8:54:20pm

Heh.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 13, 2016 • 8:56:36pm

Took a walk today about 1pm - when it was just pretty miserable out even when wearing light and fairly minimal clothing.

The local mockingbird by the Art Museum was not its usual chatty self.

It’s too damn hot to sing!

On a side trail there is a patch of mountain mint (wild basil) blooming. Very popular with the local insect crowd.

BEES!
Ermine Moth
MORE BEES!

I also saw my first Monarch Butterfly of the year, but did not get a good picture of it.

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Lidane  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:06:28pm

Because scientific illiteracy doesn’t just exist on the right:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:10:03pm

I see that the Trumpists are saying that we should not blame them for what happened in Queens today, and we should wait for more facts.

They apparently don’t like it when the shoe is on the other foot.

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bratwurst  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:13:55pm

Great googly moogly!

Sure would be nice to see something akin to a landslide, get as much of a repudiation of this nastiness as possible.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:14:30pm

We seem to have a Trumpnut hatchling posting in the previous thread.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:14:32pm

well, just said good bye to my wife’s cousins who were up from El Salvador for a week. For their last meal before leaving I got to do what I do best, smoked meat/bbq:

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freetoken  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:15:59pm

I’m beginning to really not like the WaPo science writer Sarah Kaplan.

She like so many others struggling to keep the old media in business has turned to making too strong of statements - not really red herrings but rather gross oversimplifications - to get some click-bait going.

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Lidane  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:27:28pm

“America doesn’t win anymore!”

Fact check:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:28:56pm

re: #13 Lidane

For all of their doping, Russia has only gotten 5th Place in number of Medals.

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Anymouse  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:30:57pm

New cases of polio in Africa:

nytimes.com

The article details how difficult it will be to try to eradicate the disease.

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Belafon  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:34:18pm

re: #13 Lidane

“America doesn’t win anymore!”

Fact check:

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Clinton probably doesnt want to politicize the olympics, but putting Donald’s words over a tally that just keeps going up with images of the athletes would be a pretty good ad.

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Jenner7  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:37:55pm

We have Trump because of YOUR PARTY, Ana. We aren’t responsible for your mess.

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Anymouse  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:38:56pm
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Anymouse  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:40:28pm

re: #17 Jenner7

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We have Trump because of YOUR PARTY, Ana. We aren’t responsible for your mess.

We did not have a Democratic Senate for two years, due to the death of Senator Ted Kennedy and the refusal to seat Senator Franken.

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Anymouse  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:42:59pm
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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:51:32pm

re: #17 Jenner7

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We have Trump because of YOUR PARTY, Ana. We aren’t responsible for your mess.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 13, 2016 • 9:55:00pm

re: #21 No Country For Old Haters

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I had respected Ana for her honesty as a spokesperson, but this is delusional.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 13, 2016 • 10:01:41pm

SpaceX webcast should be starting any minute….

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majii  Aug 13, 2016 • 10:02:58pm

re: #21 No Country For Old Haters

“We have Trump because of YOUR PARTY, Ana. We aren’t responsible for your mess.”

Navarro knows exactly why Trump rose to the top of the GOP 2016 presidential ticket because she helped lay the groundwork. I’m sick and tired of GOPers blaming everyone else besides themselves for their mess. How in the hell can the current state of the GOP be laid at President Obama’s feet when the b*st*rds never really worked willingly with him on anything? He had to do a lot of things all alone because GOPers in Congress had one goal—-to make him fail. When he figured a way around them, they got angry and filed lawsuits, lied, and acted like the dirty lowdown b*st*rds they are. I never heard Navarro say anything when the so-called party leaders yielded to the far right nutters and began their long plunge into the crevasse. Not one word. Now that Trump is exposing their vile underbelly, they’re looking for someone else to blame. I suggest they take a look in the nearest mirror. Fruck, ‘em, fruck ‘em all with a rusty pole. This is 100% their sh*t, and they need to stop trying to smear it on those of us who had nothing to do with their current troubles.

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majii  Aug 13, 2016 • 10:07:35pm

re: #22 Barefoot Grin

“I had respected Ana for her honesty as a spokesperson, but this is delusional.”

She made a whole lotta money by peddling RW BS, and she knows it. A three year old kid knows right from wrong, so I know she knows the sources of the GOP’s problems. Way too many right-wingers blame this president for their problems because they believe that all of their problems could have been avoided if he would have let them run his administration. Hell, they lost two presidential elections, and therefore, had no cause to expect him to let them boss him around. I won’t go into it, but they, and I. know why they thought he, in particular, should have let them have everything they wanted, and it has nothing to do with politics.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 13, 2016 • 10:09:19pm

re: #7 Lidane

Because scientific illiteracy doesn’t just exist on the right:

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I just facepalmed hard enough to fuse Hydrogen nuclei.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 13, 2016 • 10:19:44pm

re: #7 Lidane

She is the epitome of a moonbat.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 13, 2016 • 10:20:44pm

re: #26 Pawn of the Oppressor

I just facepalmed hard enough to fuse Hydrogen nuclei.

and there we have it, nuclear fusion all we need now is some brave and intelligent soul to allow themselves to be subjected to Jill stein tweets on a constant basis.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 13, 2016 • 10:24:16pm

re: #23 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

SpaceX webcast should be starting any minute….

2 minutes till launch

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Kragar  Aug 13, 2016 • 10:31:34pm

re: #13 Lidane

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 13, 2016 • 10:35:36pm

Falcon 9 flies quick. I guess all space launches are fast but it seems much faster to staging than other launchers.

Gods, it must be cool to be young and talented and working for a company like SpaceX. I wish I knew stuff and had skills. :P

Edit: Woop! Perfect landing :D

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Dave In Austin  Aug 13, 2016 • 10:36:37pm

re: #29 Dave In Austin

2 minutes till launch

Bullseye!!!! landing on the drone ship.Wow!!

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Kragar  Aug 13, 2016 • 10:38:51pm

Should citizens respect the words or deeds of elected officials who declare their intention to subvert the Constitution’s most important safeguard against tyranny, the right to bear arms in defense of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? The intent of modern progressives to repeal and abolish constitutional safeguards has been made abundantly clear. As the patriots of 1776 understood and declared, armed resistance is always a last resort to tyranny.

21st Century tyrants must remember the lessons of history, that American patriots will tolerate the subversion of liberty only so far and no further. That is a warning, not a threat, a warning that needs to be heeded if violent acts of rebellion against tyrants are to be avoided.

These motherfuckers need to get slapped into reality one of these days

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 13, 2016 • 10:46:40pm

re: #33 Kragar

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These motherfuckers need to get slapped into reality one of these days

Show me the words ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” in the 2nd Amendment. These assholes are the threat to “the security of a Free State” that “a well-regulated militia” needs to “keep and bear arms” AGAINST!

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Anymouse  Aug 13, 2016 • 11:23:57pm
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lockjawcanbefun  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:20:24am

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:26:33am

Warren Buffett slams Donald Trump at a Clinton fundraiser in Nebraska over the Khan family:

inc.com

The reliably cautious Buffett has been hesitant to make strong statements on Trump, and instead sticks to praising Clinton, whom he’s endorsed. But on Monday he said, “The final straw came this weekend,” when Trump appeared on This Week With George Stephanopoulos and discussed how he’s made sacrifices for his country by building and providing jobs. (The subject of sacrifice has been very much in the news thanks to Trump’s ongoing feud with Khzir Khan, the father of a Muslim-American captain killed in Iraq, who at the Democratic National Convention famously called out Trump: “You have sacrificed nothing!”)

Buffett said, “How in the world can you stand up to a couple of parents who have lost a son and talk about sacrificing because you were building a bunch of buildings?”

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freetoken  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:27:23am
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freetoken  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:31:32am
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freetoken  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:35:08am
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Alyosha  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:59:15am

I feel-good slice of video out of recently-liberated Manbij for you imperialist western dogs.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 1:10:43am

Howdy y’all!

Have you guys seen this?

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 1:13:55am

re: #42 Nyet

Considering K’s latest utterances she probably thinks Obama did 9/11.

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 1:14:00am

The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal is reporting that a protest against a police shooting earlier in the day “turned violent.”

They report a gas station, a bank, a beauty supply store, and an auto parts store were set on fire. The fire brigade could not get close due to gunfire.

jsonline.com

The protest came after an officer-involved shooting over a traffic violation; the police claimed the driver had a stolen handgun.

Earlier in the evening, more than 100 people gathered near the scene of the shooting at N. 44th St. and W. Auer Ave. and at times pushed against a line of 20 to 30 officers, some of whom were in riot gear.

At one point, the officers got in their cars to leave and some in the crowd started smashing the windows and side of a squad car. Another vehicle was set on fire. As officers returned to the scene, this time with more in riot gear, as many as seven shots could be heard about 8:45 to 9 p.m.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 1:15:11am

re: #7 Lidane

The right may be the champions of it, but the far left takes the honorary 2nd place.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 1:25:45am

Meanwhile this is sure to help the Black Lives Matter movement to stop disproportionate killing of black people:

policy.m4bl.org

The US justifies and advances the global war on terror via its alliance with Israel and is complicit in the genocide taking place against the Palestinian people. The US requires Israel to use 75 percent of all the military aid it receives to buy US-made arms. Consequently, every year billions of dollars are funneled from US taxpayers to hundreds of arms corporations, who then wage lobbying campaigns pushing for even more foreign military aid. The results of this policy are twofold: it not only diverts much needed funding from domestic education and social programs, but it makes US citizens complicit in the abuses committed by the Israeli government. Israel is an apartheid state with over 50 laws on the books that sanction discrimination against the Palestinian people. Palestinian homes and land are routinely bulldozed to make way for illegal Israeli settlements. Israeli soldiers also regularly arrest and detain Palestinians as young as 4 years old without due process. Everyday, Palestinians are forced to walk through military checkpoints along the US-funded apartheid wall.

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 1:26:12am

Texas maternal mortality rate doubled in two years:

kut.org

In the middle of the study is when Texas did such things as slash funding for women’s healthcare and kicked Planned Parenthood out of its programme. The researchers could not conclude from their data if that was the only reason for the rise in deaths by 100%

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 14, 2016 • 1:28:48am

Another musical interlude to help ease the lunacy. This time, a Japanese alt-rock band.

「みずいろの恋」チリヌルヲワカ

The band is チリヌルヲワカ (Chirinuruwowaka), and this is from the latest album Show Time.

en.wikipedia.org

The young woman who fronts the band is Yumi Nakashima, a very talented singer/songwriter with an ethereal voice.

Enjoy.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 1:32:17am

re: #46 Nyet

And they want freebies:

policy.m4bl.org

Reparations for the systemic denial of access to high quality educational opportunities in the form of full and free access for all Black people (including undocumented and currently and formerly incarcerated people) to lifetime education including: free access and open admissions to public community colleges and universities, technical education (technology, trade and agricultural), educational support programs, retroactive forgiveness of student loans, and support for lifetime learning programs.

etc. etc. etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 1:57:16am

re: #2 freetoken

Really underwhelmed at what offerings Netflix have online now. A few years back they seemed to keep a deeper catalog, especially of theatrical releases.

Or am I imagining this?

I often spend more time searching for something to watch than I do watching…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:00:26am

re: #45 Nyet

The right may be the champions of it, but the far left takes the honorary 2nd place.

Anti vax-ism is a case where Moonbat distrust of Big Pharma and Western Medicine meets Wingnut hatred of science and Big Government to produce a lethal concentration of derp.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:04:35am

re: #46 Nyet

I wonder if any of the “public faces” of BLM have condemned this sheer lunacy?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:15:28am

re: #52 Nyet

I wonder if any of the “public faces” of BLM have condemned this sheer lunacy?

what is the point of hijacking a movement to promote the rights and well-being of blacks in America to spew anti-Israel talking points?

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:17:52am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

what is the point of hijacking a movement to promote the rights and well-being of blacks in America to spew anti-Israel talking points?

Right, I mean, regardless of what one thinks about Israel (and we should all criticize its policies IMHO), it would have been a red herring even without the false accusations of genocide. The movement is supposed to be about black lives in the US not about the plight of the oppressed around the world. Priorities, priorities.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:18:39am

amazing crap that comes out of the mouths of trompistas these days:

America is NOT A DEMOCRACY but rather a REPUBLIC and has always been that as established by the CRIMINAL HOOLIGAN JACKASSES who founded it in 1776 rather than remaining a loyal and faithful colony of England as did Canada which would have been a far better result for the USA.

Democracy is one of the worst and most unstable forms of government ever conceived and as Plato clearly detailed about 2,000 years ago is the lowest form of government ever conceived and is only one step above anarchy which is, of course, the bottom of the barrel in political constructs.

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freetoken  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:18:51am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

what is the point of hijacking a movement to promote the rights and well-being of blacks in America to spew anti-Israel talking points?

It’s probably nothing more than the general drift that happens to political movements. As they grow they try to incorporate more special interests, who then want their own agendas pushed.

This all seems very… human.

Strategically the BLM would likely be more successful if they just stuck with US urban issues rather than dip into global policy. Yet the temptation is too strong to try and court the very many other special interest groups.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:24:26am

And OK, you decide to shoot yourself in the foot and alienate natural allies and include the criticism of a foreign state that doesn’t have anything to do with the goals of your movement out of some sense of solidarity. Alright. But need you then concoct an absolutely false accusation about that state, apparently not being well acquainted with the only practically relevant definition of “genocide”, thereby also shooting yourself in the groin?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:26:45am

re: #57 Nyet

I can only guess that they are bored because there are no more Bernie rallies to attend…

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:31:33am

Marshall has been getting some minor heat for this, incl. accusations of anti-Russian racism:

TBH, I don’t see what he says as hugely controversial.

This guys tries too hard to misinterpret:

No eugenics, Marshall is talking about *culture* and there is nothing wrong with criticizing culture.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:34:33am

re: #59 Nyet

I think that Yasha Levine chap may not understand what’s meant by “cultural DNA”. It’s not a reference to actual DNA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:35:41am

re: #60 Dr Lizardo

I think that Yasha Levine chap may not understand what’s meant by “cultural DNA”. It’s not a reference to actual DNA.

“Cultural DNA” is, however, a totally useless and misleading term.

But I have found that a lot of Russians suffer from a massive inferiority complex that they compensate for through braggadocio, chauvinism and demonizing perceived “enemies” like “Jewish cosmopolitans”

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:36:42am

re: #60 Dr Lizardo

I think that Yasha Levine chap may not understand what’s meant by “cultural DNA”. It’s not a reference to actual DNA.

Yeah, the only question is whether he misinterprets out of ignorance or on purpose.

Here is another muppet:

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:37:55am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Cultural DNA” is, however, a totally useless and misleading term.

Agreed, though it’s not a reason to willfully distort its meaning.

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William Lewis  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:38:14am

re: #57 Nyet

And OK, you decide to shoot yourself in the foot

OT but this reminds me of a quote : Aim high; at least then if you miss you won’t shoot your foot.

I’ll let myself out…

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:40:59am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Cultural DNA” is, however, a totally useless and misleading term.

But I have found that a lot of Russians suffer from a massive inferiority complex that they compensate for through braggadocio, chauvinism and demonizing perceived “enemies” like “Jewish cosmopolitans”

I’ve also seen this with Czechs as well from time to time. “Second Banana Syndrome”. Most Czechs I’ve encountered, however, are quite content not being some kind of superpower; there’s far too many headaches that go along with that.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:42:57am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But I have found that a lot of Russians suffer from a massive inferiority complex that they compensate for through braggadocio, chauvinism and demonizing perceived “enemies” like “Jewish cosmopolitans”

IOW, they’re no different than at least half of the American population. ;)

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:47:56am

re: #55 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

amazing crap that comes out of the mouths of trompistas these days:

America is NOT A DEMOCRACY but rather a REPUBLIC and has always been that as established by the CRIMINAL HOOLIGAN JACKASSES who founded it in 1776 rather than remaining a loyal and faithful colony of England as did Canada which would have been a far better result for the USA.

Democracy is one of the worst and most unstable forms of government ever conceived and as Plato clearly detailed about 2,000 years ago is the lowest form of government ever conceived and is only one step above anarchy which is, of course, the bottom of the barrel in political constructs.

Where on Earth did this come from?

As for unstable governments, it’s demagogues like Mr. Trump that make it unstable.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:49:51am

re: #67 Anymouse

Where on Earth did this come from?

From that gaping void between the ears of a person who doesn’t even know that the US is a democracy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:50:25am

re: #66 Nyet

IOW, they’re no different than at least half of the American population. ;)

Putin and Trump cultivate a similar “base”.

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:54:54am

re: #62 Nyet

Tweeted from one Mark Ames:

Liberal race eugenics on genetically barbaric eastern Slavs—this 2016 campaign is a proud one for the ages

That doesn’t even make any sense.

Liberal: I understand that.
Race eugenics: The only “race eugenics” I am aware of was put forth by conservatives in the USA and Nazi Germany. (There is a Nazi propaganda poster touting eugenics and praising the USA.)
Genetically-barbaric eastern Slavs: I wasn’t aware barbarism (like Dixie slavery) was genetic. As for eastern Slavs, I live in western Nebraska. (I guess you could call that very eastern Wyoming.)

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:55:51am

re: #48 Dr Lizardo

Another musical interlude to help ease the lunacy. This time, a Japanese alt-rock band.

[Embedded content]

The band is チリヌルヲワカ (Chirinuruwowaka), and this is from the latest album Show Time.

en.wikipedia.org

The young woman who fronts the band is Yumi Nakashima, a very talented singer/songwriter with an ethereal voice.

Enjoy.

Sounds okay, but not really my thing. I’m more of a Tricot fan:

Youtube Video

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:56:31am

re: #70 Anymouse

As for eastern Slavs, I live in western Nebraska. (I guess you could call that very eastern Wyoming.)

My grandfather emigrated from Slovakia to Iowa, and an awful lot of our relatives are spread throughout the Midwest.

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 2:58:24am

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My grandfather emigrated from Slovakia to Iowa, and an awful lot of our relatives are spread throughout the Midwest.

My paternal grandparents fled the “civilised Nazis” from Poland and settled in Massachusetts. My grandfather was killed in Europe in WW2 fighting them in the US Army. My grandmother served in the WAC.

Veering to a previous topic, the violence in Milwaukee is now international news:
bbc.com

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:01:06am

re: #70 Anymouse

He says that mainstream liberals like Marshall are being racist about us Slavs by uttering something about “cultural DNA”, obviously distorting the phrase to mean that humans have a special part of DNA where our culture is stored. Since the meaning of “cultural DNA” is very hard to misinterpret, I wonder as to how sincere this misinterpretation by Ames et al. is.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:04:56am

“Strains of xenophobic paranoia and a gravitation to white supremacy are embedded into the American cultural DNA in a way that long predates 20th century.”

Would Ames et al. say this is bigoted fascist eugenics against Americans?

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:05:16am

re: #74 Nyet

He says that mainstream liberals like Marshall are being racist about us Slavs by uttering something about “cultural DNA”, obviously distorting the phrase to mean that humans have a special part of DNA where our culture is stored. Since the meaning of “cultural DNA” is very hard to misinterpret, I wonder as to how sincere this misinterpretation by Ames et al. is.

My high-school educated mind interprets “cultural DNA” to mean the history and social order of a nation or ethnic group, not something you inherit from your parents nine months after they had a good time.

I was under the impression that if you took, say, a Polish infant and raised her in an Irish household, she would be impressed with Irish culture, not Polish. But then, what would I know?

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:08:12am

Frankly, this “America is not a democracy, it’s a republic” meme gotta be one of the most braindead ones I see. First of all, there is no contradiction there, doofus. Second, you’re apparently equating democracy and ochlocracy (mob rule), thereby showing your ignorance of the more modern and relevant definition (majority rules, minority rights).

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:10:57am

The BBC weigh in on whether the Republican Party could dump Mr. Trump at this late date, and the pros and cons that would result:

bbc.com

In short, they’re screwed no matter what they do.

The GOP did largely pull its support from Senator Bob Dole when it became obvious his campaign was going to tank, but Senator Dole is quite different from Mr. Trump. For one thing, Senator Dole was not running a campaign based on hatred and personal attacks on veterans and Gold Star Families. (I still can’t believe that Mr. Trump didn’t just leave the Khan family alone, or simply give a statement of condolences to them. Then Katrina Pierson trying to blame their son’s death on President Obama. What a bunch of lunatics.)

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:11:43am

re: #71 Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)

Very good. I like it.

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:12:55am

re: #77 Nyet

Frankly, this “America is not a democracy, it’s a republic” meme gotta be one of the most braindead ones I see. First of all, there is no contradiction there, doofus. Second, you’re apparently equating democracy and ochlocracy (mob rule), thereby showing your ignorance of the more modern and relevant definition (majority rules, minority rights).

Yup. We are a democratic republic. We elect representatives in direct elections at all levels of government (excepting President and Vice-President), from city council to senators. Most votes win. That pretty much defines a democracy.

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:20:05am

Time for this Slav to do something terribly barbaric:

A slug of Bushmill’s Irish Whiskey mixed in a glass of black cherry Kool-Aid for a nightcap. (::

(I can’t get Żywiec beer in the Nebraska Panhandle)

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Dave In Austin  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:22:02am

re: #81 Anymouse

Time for this Slav to do something terribly barbaric:

A slug of Bushmill’s Irish Whiskey mixed in a glass of black cherry Kool-Aid for a nightcap. (::

(I can’t get Żywiec beer in the Nebraska Panhandle)

Gack….. That sounds more like a chemistry project with a questionable outcome.

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:23:48am

re: #82 Dave In Austin

Gack….. That sounds more like a chemistry project with a questionable outcome.

Kool-Aid is Nebraska’s state drink (as it was invented here). You can mix it with anything (except Bailey’s or Tia Maria).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:24:01am

re: #78 Anymouse

The BBC weigh in on whether the Republican Party could dump Mr. Trump at this late date, and the pros and cons that would result:

bbc.com

…I still can’t believe that Mr. Trump didn’t just leave the Khan family alone, or simply give a statement of condolences to them. Then Katrina Pierson trying to blame their son’s death on President Obama. What a bunch of lunatics.

I can. Because it was a personal attack, he felt compelled to respond personally.

The DNC knew he would rise to the bait.

Mean, nasty, tricksy DNC, taking advantage of GOP candidates’ narcissistic personality disorders like that…

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:24:28am

re: #81 Anymouse

Time for this Slav to do something terribly barbaric:

A slug of Bushmill’s Irish Whiskey mixed in a glass of black cherry Kool-Aid for a nightcap. (::

(I can’t get Żywiec beer in the Nebraska Panhandle)

Prost! Uh, I mean, za zdorovye!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:25:09am

re: #81 Anymouse

Time for this Slav to do something terribly barbaric:

A slug of Bushmill’s Irish Whiskey mixed in a glass of black cherry Kool-Aid for a nightcap. (::

(I can’t get Żywiec beer in the Nebraska Panhandle)

Now in Krakow I had an awesome variant of that: vodka layered over raspberry syrup with a shot of pepper.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:25:44am

Every Westerner I’ve met thought that Russians say “na zdorovye”. Gee.

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William Lewis  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:26:13am

re: #77 Nyet

Frankly, this “America is not a democracy, it’s a republic” meme gotta be one of the most braindead ones I see.

You have to Follow The Money as it were. The people who started that idea and similar ones would like to replace the present system with something much more like the Roman Republic where only the rich are citizens and have rights. It’s a form of oligarchy that they like because the name Republic is enough to fool the Fox News brainwashed. This is the way freedom really dies.

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Danack  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:27:11am

re: #7 Lidane

Because scientific illiteracy doesn’t just exist on the right:

[Embedded content]

Jill Stein is a kook, who deliberately misleads people, but although the actual reactors aren’t that are scary, it’s the processing plants where the ‘waste’ material is stored that makes me keep my passport within easy access.

‘Waste’ is in quotes because a lot of the material stored there is still generating a large amount of heat, just not enough to be commercially useful in a reactor.

Photographs of Sellafield nuclear plant prompt fears over radioactive risk

“It’s like an concrete dock full of water. If you got a breach of the wall by accident or by terrorist attack, the Magnox fuel would burn. I would say there’s many hundreds of tonnes in there. It could give rise to a very big radioactive release. It’s not for me to make comparisons with Chernobyl or Fukushima, but it could certainly cause serious contamination over a wide area and for a very long time.”

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William Lewis  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:27:54am

re: #81 Anymouse

Time for this Slav to do something terribly barbaric:

A slug of Bushmill’s Irish Whiskey mixed in a glass of black cherry Kool-Aid for a nightcap. (::

(I can’t get Żywiec beer in the Nebraska Panhandle)

At least it’s Bushmill’s and not a good whiskey… O_o

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:29:26am

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Now in Krakow I had an awesome variant of that: vodka layered over raspberry syrup with a shot of pepper.

That sounds deliciously mind-numbing.

Last year my wife and I went to Gdańsk (my first time to Poland, her first time to Europe). That city is big on beer - lots of beer - beer for breakfast, beer for lunch, maybe even beer in cornflakes.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:29:51am

Yep.

How long until he goes full Captain Queeg?

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:31:31am

Anymouse, can you read Polish?

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:31:39am

I now have our left over CAN$100 bills mounted in a glass case marked “in case of political emergency break glass” right over where we keep our passports.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:32:32am

re: #89 Danack

Jill Stein is a kook, who deliberately misleads people, but although the actual reactors aren’t that are scary, it’s the processing plants where the ‘waste’ material is stored that makes me keep my passport within easy access.

‘Waste’ is in quotes because a lot of the material stored there is still generating a large amount of heat, just not enough to be commercially useful in a reactor.

Photographs of Sellafield nuclear plant prompt fears over radioactive risk

Oh, look - a future Birdzilla. :D

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:32:57am

re: #93 Nyet

Anymouse, can you read Polish?

No, but my wife can. My family made a point of not teaching me Polish when I was growing up. Therefore I speak and read Portuguese and Spanish, because they are closely related to Polish. /s

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:35:19am

re: #96 Anymouse

Heh. I can read Polish, with some difficulty and gleaning some stuff from context, coz it’s so closely related to Russian. Thought maybe I’d run some things by you if I needed help with the more difficult places ;)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:38:14am

re: #97 Nyet

Heh. I can read Polish, with some difficulty and gleaning some stuff from context, coz it’s so closely related to Russian. Thought maybe I’d run some things by you if I needed help with the more difficult places ;)

That was one of the things I enjoyed about visiting Poland, reading and trying to read and guess what the signs said. And I was initially shocked that they use the world “Zhidovski” for “Jewish”, although I guess that in Polish it is a perfectly neutral term. (In Russian, “Zhid” is an awful anti-Semitic slur.)

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:38:21am

re: #97 Nyet

Heh. I can read Polish, with some difficulty and gleaning some stuff from context, coz it’s so closely related to Russian. Thought maybe I’d run some things by you if I needed help with the more difficult places ;)

I’m sorry, I can’t really help you, though I could run those pieces either by my wife, or by my Russian sister-in-law. (She speaks Russian, amazingly enough since she is originally from the Soviet Union, but understands Polish as well. My wife and she will speak on the phone in Polish to prevent her hub and me from understanding what they are plotting.)

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:39:31am

re: #99 Anymouse

I’m sorry, I can’t really help you, though I could run those pieces either by my wife, or by my Russian sister-in-law. (She speaks Russian, amazingly enough since she is originally from the Soviet Union, but understands Polish as well. My wife and she will speak on the phone in Polish to prevent her hub and me from understanding what they are plotting.)

Those sneaky Slavs.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:40:07am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It also used to be a neutral designation in Old Russian.

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:40:21am

re: #100 Nyet

Those sneaky Slavs.

I don’t own any sneakers.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:40:45am

re: #102 Anymouse

I don’t own any sneakers.

*snicker*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:46:49am

re: #101 Nyet

It also used to be a neutral designation in Old Russian.

Must be related to the root we use for “Yiddish”.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:48:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:49:18am

re: #103 Nyet

*snicker*

I recall when Snickers bars (pronounced “sneakers”) were pretty much a unit of currency in post-Soviet Russia.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:50:17am

re: #105 Dave In Austin

Trump VP choice Mike Pence doesn’t agree with science

That is not breaking news. Besides, he is a member of the GOP, the party that rejects science in favor of ideology and fundamentalist Biblical beliefs.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:50:57am

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Must be related to the root we use for “Yiddish”.

Of course. Judah.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:51:22am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The hashtag is fun……

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:51:36am

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall when Snickers bars (pronounced “sneakers”) were pretty much a unit of currency in post-Soviet Russia.

I don’t recall it, and I was there.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:52:09am

re: #105 Dave In Austin

#punchable

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:52:37am

re: #110 Nyet

I don’t recall it, and I was there.

Snickers were available from flying vendors on nearly every street corner; the price was nearly identical and reflected the current US Dollar exchange rate.

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:55:25am

Well, now I’ll try some Bushmill’s mixed with Vernor’s I smuggled into Nebraska from Michigan.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:56:01am

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Snickers were never “pretty much a unit of currency in post-Soviet Russia”.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:58:03am

re: #87 Nyet

Every Westerner I’ve met thought that Russians say “na zdorovye”. Gee.

I’ll cop to that. I learned something tonight.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 3:58:41am

re: #114 Nyet

Snickers were never “pretty much a unit of currency in post-Soviet Russia”.

In the strict sense, you are correct; they weren’t. I should have added that that was my subjective impression.

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Nojay UK  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:02:19am

re: #89 Danack

‘Waste’ is in quotes because a lot of the material stored there is still generating a large amount of heat, just not enough to be commercially useful in a reactor.

Ummm, no. People with an irrational fear of nuclear power and its components put out so much bullshit it’s not surprising that other people start to fear it too. I could explain in detail why that risk doesn’t really exist but the technicalities would result in MEGO (My Eyes Glaze Over) for most folks. Sensationalism sells eyeballs instead.

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:05:00am

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

Yep.

[Embedded content]

How long until he goes full Captain Queeg?

Ah, but the taco bowls, that’s where I had them!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:06:20am

re: #117 Nojay UK

Ummm, no. People with an irrational fear of nuclear power and its components put out so much bullshit it’s not surprising that other people start to fear it too. I could explain in detail why that risk doesn’t really exist but the technicalities would result in MEGO (My Eyes Glaze Over) for most folks. Sensationalism sells eyeballs instead.

My problem with nuclear energy is a purely economic one: it is artificially subsidized through a liability cap on potential damages. ($500 mil in the US €1.5 mil in Europe).

That means that plant operators need only insure themselves up to that amount.

Compare that to the costs of Chernobyl, estimated at around $20 billion, or Fukushima, currently $75 billion, perhaps as much as $100 billion.

If nuclear plant operators had to be liable for the full extent of the potential damages, their insurance rates would put them out of business.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:13:23am

From the newsmax site:

…Donald Trump again clarified his Islamic State comments about President Barack Obama, telling supporters in Pennsylvania on Friday that the remarks he earlier dubbed as “sarcastic” were really “not that sarcastic, to be honest with you.”

“When I said that Obama — and, of course, I’m being sarcastic,” the Republican presidential nominee told a rally at the Erie Insurance Arena in Erie. “They know that. Because after I said that, I said he’s the MVP.

“So, I said, ‘the founder of ISIS,” Trump continued. “Obviously, I’m being sarcastic — but not that sarcastic, to be honest with you.”

So when he is called out and taken to task for lying, he is being sarcastic. But when he is feeding Red Meat to the Masses, then he is not being sarcastic.

This only makes sense to a someone with a sick or feeble mind.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:20:58am

JTA:

Ndugga-Kabuye said state actions don’t need to rise to the level of the Holocaust or other historical genocides to deserve the term, which he said could connote unjust state killing of a disadvantaged group. He compared his usage of the word to We Charge Genocide, a group that opposes police violence in Chicago.

IOW he defends his misuse of the term by citing another group of idjits who misuse the term. Yay.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:28:15am

re: #121 Nyet

On Friday, Jewish Voice for Peace released a statement from a group called the Jews of Color Caucus backing the platform’s section on Israel.

“We call on the U.S. Jewish community to end its legitimization of anti-Black racism through its combined attacks on the Black Lives Matter Platform and U.S. Palestine solidarity,” the statement said. “We call on the U.S. Jewish groups that have engaged in this anti-Black violence to retract their racist and harmful statements.”

wow

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:31:39am

re: #52 Nyet

I wonder if any of the “public faces” of BLM have condemned this sheer lunacy?

Heh. That’s representative of a wildly entangled world of Alphabet groups. Some of that world is Looney Left, some is cynically exploitive, some hostile nation fronts. (Looking at you, Comrade Kim.)

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:33:31am

Livid at my local paper this morning: The editor of the paper sent out an E-mail asking if the coverage of the paper was “too liberal,” hitting all the conservative talking points about a biased media. I just responded in an E-mail directly to him:

Sir,

You bring up that trusty old canard in your article about the “liberal media.” That would be a handful of multinational corporations that own the USA’s media empire. There is no liberal media. If there were, a fascist like Donald Trump implying assassination against Hillary Clinton, complaining of rigged elections, and suggesting voter intimidation at Pennsylvania polling places “in certain areas” would not have seen the light of day.

You also bring in the phrase “gay marriage.” There is no “gay marriage.” There is only marriage.

You also mention Walter Cronkite. Reporters like Walter Cronkite or Edward R. Murrow would not have allowed speakers for Mr. Trump like Katrina Pierson to get away with claiming the Khan family’s son was killed in President Obama’s war in Iraq - when he died in 2002. The “liberal media” such as CNN would not have hired Cory Lewandowski, Donald Trump’s campaign manager, to host a show on CNN.

The Fourth Estate has abdicated its responsibility to report the news. It has also abdicated its responsibility to call out real threats to democratic governance, instead choosing a “magic balance fairy” argument that “both sides should be heard” (regardless how ridiculous one side is on any subject, such as climate change denial, implying Mexicans are rapists, or banning Muslims from the USA).

No, the [Scottsbluff] Star-Herald is not “too liberal.” If anything, it is no different than the stenographers that work for the television networks (excepting the propagandists at FOX News Channel).

As a journalist, you should be quite afraid of Mr. Trump’s calls for changes to libel laws, penning the press and siccing his supporters on the press pen at his rallies, and inspiring violence at his rallies. To quote Star Wars: This is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause.

Mr. Trump threatens to ban such outlets as the Washington Post and the New York Times. NPR now sends its reporters to the same kind of training that is normally reserved for reporting from war zones. Katy Tur of NBC should be getting combat pay.

The press, including the Star-Herald, should be livid over such rhetoric. A courageous reporter would call this out for what it is: An assault on freedom of the press, on the Constitution itself. The Star-Herald editors and journalists are no different than the television news: They allow Mr. Trump to attack the very foundation of our democracy, a free press, and look the other way.

[my name here]
Village Trustee
Broadwater, NE
[phone redacted]

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:35:09am

re: #123 Decatur Deb

That’s why I didn’t call them representatives, because who decides this in a decentralized movt? But we all know some public faces or other. Very curious about their stances.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:39:01am

re: #125 Nyet

That’s why I didn’t call them representatives, because who decides this in a decentralized movt? But we all know some public faces or other. Very curious about their stances.

That’s the joy of leaderless resistance—everybody gets to talk shit, nobody has to answer for it. In the meanwhile those who offer some chance of preventing the return of Jim Crow are shunted off as ‘gradualists’.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:42:19am

re: #126 Decatur Deb

That’s the joy of leaderless resistance—everybody gets to talk shit, nobody has to answer for it.

Ah, the second part is not true, hence the search for reactions. Unlike e.g. the two idiots at the Bernie rally, this is a pretty huge coalition, and comes as close to “representative” as it can get in a decentralized movt. So silence and refusal to say “they don’t speak for me” will speak volumes.

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Donkey With No Name  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:48:40am

re: #54 Nyet

Right, I mean, regardless of what one thinks about Israel (and we should all criticize its policies IMHO), it would have been a red herring even without the false accusations of genocide. The movement is supposed to be about black lives in the US not about the plight of the oppressed around the world. Priorities, priorities.

There’s a certain fraction of the American (and global?) left that sees absolutely everything as connected - an injustice to one is an injustice to all, etc. These people have a tendency to demand that advocacy organizations sign up to their full laundry list of positions, or else they’ll be denounced as secretly right-wing and bigoted.

It’s very tiring dealing with such people; as you see it leads to mission creep even for supposedly narrowly focused groups and lots of bad blood as everyone fails purity tests one by one…

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:50:05am

re: #127 Nyet

Ah, the second part is not true, hence the search for reactions. Unlike e.g. the two idiots at the Bernie rally, this is a pretty huge coalition, and comes as close to “representative” as it can get in a decentralized movt. So silence and refusal to say “they don’t speak for me” will speak volumes.

Right now I don’t think either you nor I could name those two idiots without Google. They had their moment, then the moving finger wrote and moved on. I would offer a 1:4 bet that the phrase ‘BLM’ will not be trending one year after Nov 8.

NAACP, SPLC, and Jon Lewis will still be trudging along.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:51:06am

re: #128 Donkey With No Name

There’s a certain fraction of the American (and global?) left that sees absolutely everything as connected - an injustice to one is an injustice to all, etc. These people have a tendency to demand that advocacy organizations sign up to their full laundry list of positions, or else they’ll be denounced as secretly right-wing and bigoted.

It’s very tiring dealing with such people; as you see it leads to mission creep even for supposedly narrowly focused groups and lots of bad blood as everyone fails purity tests one by one…

‘Zactly.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:54:00am

re: #82 Dave In Austin

I can get Zywiec at my local wine & liquor emporium for $2.29/bottle.

Good man you get some Vernors on the way back-I can even get that in The land of 10,000 lakes (But no Buddy’s pizzza or Better Made potato chips <sigh>)

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:54:16am

re: #129 Decatur Deb

OccupySomethingsomething.

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Nojay UK  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:59:19am

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My problem with nuclear energy is a purely economic one: it is artificially subsidized through a liability cap on potential damages. ($500 mil in the US €1.5 mil in Europe).

Like I said, people have been fed bullshit so much about nuclear power they just don’t know the truth.

Each nuclear operator in America carries insurance for about $11 billion per plant paid for by themselves. It’s a little more complicated than that (there’s a pool of insurance that goes up to $20 billion) but it’s close enough for horseshoes. After that amount is used up the government steps in (the infamous Price-Anderson insurance guarantee waved as a bloody flag by the bullshitters), just as they did providing last-resort relief for Hurricane Sandy where the insurers of property and such were overwhelmed by claims. I think the government paid up about $50 billion or so in disaster relief there because the private insurers couldn’t cover the resulting costs and many people had no or insufficient insurance cover to start with. The nuclear industry HAS to carry that level of insurance by law, no ifs and buts.

The biggest American nuclear disaster in terms of money is Three Mile Island and it’s still under the P-A insurance cap by a long way. The government hasn’t spent a penny in rectification at TMI unlike, say, the West fertiliser plant explosion that actually killed people and devastated a town. The plant operators weren’t insured sufficiently (or inspected or regulated the way the nuclear industry is) to pay for the damages and compensate for the injuries and loss of life. That’s only one minor industrial disaster in America’s long history, of course but the nuclear industry is treated specially because of the fear and bullshit.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:00:27am

re: #132 Nyet

OccupySomethingsomething.

The phrase was ruined for me by Italian toilet stalls: “Occupato”.

(How was the trip?)

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:01:05am

re: #131 Eric The Fruit Bat

I can get Zywiec at my local wine & liquor emporium for $2.29/bottle.

Good man you get some Vernors on the way back-I can even gget that in The land of 10,000 lakes (But no Buddy’s pizzza or Better Made potato chips <sigh>)

After that E-mail from the Star-Herald, I am weighing in with more Vernors and more whiskey.

starherald.com

(Article in today’s Scottsbluff Star-Herald that sparked my response.)

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:02:24am

re: #134 Decatur Deb

The phrase was ruined for me by Italian toilet stalls: “Occupato”.

(How was the trip?)

Great. Came back yesterday. Will post up some photos later.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:06:25am

re: #135 Anymouse

That whole op-ed is one big fail becuase they did not define what criteria makes up what a ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’ is.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:08:08am

re: #137 Eric The Fruit Bat

That whole op-ed is one big fail becuase they did not define what criteria makes up what a ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’ is.

Still using the Pornography Test—we’re supposed to know it when we see it.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:08:38am

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Getting harder these days.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:09:22am

re: #139 Nyet

Getting harder these days.

I’ll take that for a conscious pun.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:11:46am

re: #140 Decatur Deb

I’ll take that for a conscious pun.

I wondered whether I should add “that’s what she said”.

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:12:48am

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Still using the Pornography Test—we’re supposed to know it when we see it.

Around here, I’m the liberal. There can be only one.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:13:44am

Off to walk the dog—the normal Lower Alabama weather pattern has re-established: blinding sun, soaring temps, then midday storms. BBL.

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Anymouse  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:22:03am

re: #133 Nojay UK

Concerning nuclear power plant insurance:

Taking your large number ($20 billion of insurance) followed by the government stepping in, means that the power industry has socialised losses above $20 billion. Sounds like sound capitalism to me.

While the chances of a nuclear disaster are low, a disaster would be far in excess of $20 billion. Moreover, we don’t even have good ways of dealing with the waste it produces.

Should something happen to the Indian Point plant north of New York City for example, the disaster would be incalculable.

Moreover, the nuclear industry, as run by capitalists who see cutting corners as a boon to the bottom line, is no group of angels. They are no different than Wall Street playing with our deposit money in CDOs and other financial disasters. The difference is we can clean up what Wall Street did.

I wonder how long the Fukushima Prefecture of Japan, or the Chernobyl district of Russia will be uninhabitable? Ten thousand years? Longer?

It is not nuclear power that drives my opposition - it is the utter disaster of a catastrophe, and the organisations running such power plants that only care about profit.

The sun is up now; off to bed.

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sagehen  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:33:17am

re: #87 Nyet

Every Westerner I’ve met thought that Russians say “na zdorovye”. Gee.

Probably because that’s what’s in “Fiddler on the Roof”.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:37:43am

re: #28 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

and there we have it, nuclear fusion all we need now is some brave and intelligent soul to allow themselves to be subjected to Jill stein tweets on a constant basis.

There are laws against that.

Seeing would probably fix that. To her ideas are more important than people.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:37:52am

re: #41 Alyosha

I feel-good slice of video out of recently-liberated Manbij for you imperialist western dogs.

[Embedded content]

Beautiful to see. ISIS needs to be crushed.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:39:18am

re: #145 sagehen

Probably because that’s what’s in “Fiddler on the Roof”.

Or in every other American film with the Russians ;)

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b.d.  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:49:42am

Pencementum!

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:50:07am

re: #54 Nyet

Right, I mean, regardless of what one thinks about Israel (and we should all criticize its policies IMHO), it would have been a red herring even without the false accusations of genocide. The movement is supposed to be about black lives in the US not about the plight of the oppressed around the world. Priorities, priorities.

They lost me up here in Canada when at the recent Toronto Pride Parade they blocked it until the organizers of Pride promised to never let the police participate in it ever again.

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lawhawk  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:51:17am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, where the heat indices are in the 100-110 range depending on location. You have to go 100+ miles to find indices that are under 100 - the shore will be pushing 100 with the heat index too.

It’s just incredibly humid and hot, and that means that there’s a chance of strong/severe t-storms in the area. We were visiting friends yesterday, and driving back home in the evening along the NJ Turnpike was a real treat - watching thunderstorms in the distance with all their majesty and power. It was an incredible light show where for the 90 minutes of driving we had constant lighting among two major cells as we were heading north.

Today looks like there’ll be more of the same.

Guess heading to the mall is a good idea - at least it’ll be cool.

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Nojay UK  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:51:24am

re: #144 Anymouse

Oh dear… sorry, the sigh was rude.

“I wonder how long the Fukushima Prefecture of Japan, or the Chernobyl district of Russia will be uninhabitable? Ten thousand years? Longer?”

What makes you think Fukushima Prefecture is uninhabitable at the moment? I visited Fukushima city in May 2011, a couple of months after the releases of radiation from the Fukushima Daiichi plant on the coast. No two-headed monsters, no people in SFnal radiation armour wandering the streets. It was business as usual, and the city had been directly “hit” by a plume from the plant that went inland in a NW direction so the city was in fact more radioactive than some of the surrounding areas closer to the Daiichi plant. Still not any sort of a real danger though despite the Chicken Littles and bullshitters proclaiming it a Dead Zone and eternally polluted. I blame the Fallout computer game series for a lot of this (insert smiley here).

A superabundance of caution during the accident resulted in evacuation of areas which are perfectly inhabitable today and previously. Large areas of the original evacuation zones have been re-opened after super-cautious testing and pressure-washing of buildings, roads etc. Even within the plant itself there are areas where the workers don’t have to wear all the regular protective gear they did just after the accident.

There’s an unreasoning fear about radiation and its effects in the environment which is not matched by real threats of chemical contamination from, say, coal-burning plants or natural gas, the oil industry etc. but nuclear is treated specially whereas yet another coal waste spill in, say, West Virginia is three paragraphs on page 14 of the local paper ho hum.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:51:27am

re: #150 Romantic Heretic

wait wuut

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:52:54am

re: #153 Nyet

Niice.

Pride Toronto, we are calling you out! For your anti-blackness, your anti-indigeneity

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b.d.  Aug 14, 2016 • 5:54:59am

Where gonna whine so much you’re going to get tired of whining

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:04:02am

re: #149 b.d.

Pencementum!

Indiana
43%-37%-20% (Republican in 1992) HW Bush/Clinton/Perot
47%-42%-11% (Republican in 1996) Dole/Clinton/Perot
57%-41% (Republican in 2000) Bush/Gore
60%-39% (Republican in 2004) Bush/Kerry
50%-49% (Democratic in 2008) Obama/McCain
54%-44% (Republican in 2012) Romney/Obama

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:04:09am

Any Lizards with editing/publishing experience here?

What could those brackets/angles mean in the publishing context?
They were apparently not a part of the originals but were added to the photostats - my working hypothesis is that it was during the preparation of the Nuremberg volumes publication.

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b.d.  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:08:02am

re: #156 FormerDirtDart

Indiana
43%-37%-20% (Republican in 1992) HW Bush/Clinton/Perot
47%-42%-11% (Republican in 1996) Dole/Clinton/Perot
57%-41% (Republican in 2000) Bush/Gore
60%-39% (Republican in 2004) Bush/Kerry
50%-49% (Democratic in 2008) Obama/McCain
54%-44% (Republican in 2012) Romney/Obama

Nice nominee you got there GOP.

We’re going to be running against the most unpopular person ever, we got this in the bag, who should we nominate?

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:09:43am

re: #54 Nyet

I hate to jump in when you’re on a roll, but The Movement for Black Lives is not actually the same thing as the Black Lives Matter movement. So the MBL seems to have incorporated some of the goals of the BLM, but it is not solely focused on criminal justice reform.

Reparations aren’t freebies either, but I honestly think having a conversation about that specific topic would not be very fruitful. I don’t personally want reparations, but I don’t think they would have been unwarranted. I just think it’s low on the list of priorities and unrealistic in any political climate the US has ever had.

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Right now I don’t think either you nor I could name those two idiots without Google. They had their moment, then the moving finger wrote and moved on. I would offer a 1:4 bet that the phrase ‘BLM’ will not be trending one year after Nov 8.

NAACP, SPLC, and Jon Lewis will still be trudging along.

I’m not a gambler, but I take that to mean you pay out four times? I would take that bet absolutely. It’s not as if there aren’t new reasons for the movement every week. I mean, if Hillary gets elected and there is a wholesale revolution of the criminal justice system in a year, then sure it would go away, but the movement is in no way built around this election cycle.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:10:29am

re: #155 b.d.

Where gonna whine so much you’re going to get tired of whining

His words mean whatever he says they mean at the time he utters them or at the time he explains them.

Context is a liberal plot.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:11:55am

re: #159 Bass Reeves

I hate to jump in when you’re on a roll, but The Movement for Black Lives is not actually the same thing as the Black Lives Matter movement.

I know.

As for reparations, that’s just a loony idea.

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Split Ticket  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:14:15am

re: #157 Nyet

It looks more like a personal type note. Something to add/delete. It could also be someone using this information for some sort of thesis type paper. Your hypothesis may be correct too, without a translation of the German I cannot tell. If you can get a copy of Rules for Writers by Diana Hacker that may provide more information.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:21:32am

re: #161 Nyet

Well now I’m confused, if you know the two organizations aren’t the same thing, nothing you wrote about the organization makes sense. MBL isn’t focused solely on the US, or solely on the goals of BLM, so it’s not exactly mission creep for BLM or the perils of a decentralized movement.

And I guess we can talk about reparations if you want, why loony? Is it a ‘stupid to go after because never gonna happen’ loony, or ‘the idea of paying for past harms is in itself comical’ loony?

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:27:34am

re: #146 Romantic Heretic

There are laws against that.

Seeing would probably fix that. To her ideas are more important than people.

That’s ‘Stein’ not ‘Seeing’.

Damn you, autocorrect.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:29:25am

re: #159 Bass Reeves

I hate to jump in when you’re on a roll, but The Movement for Black Lives is not actually the same thing as the Black Lives Matter movement. So the MBL seems to have incorporated some of the goals of the BLM, but it is not solely focused on criminal justice reform.

Reparations aren’t freebies either, but I honestly think having a conversation about that specific topic would not be very fruitful. I don’t personally want reparations, but I don’t think they would have been unwarranted. I just think it’s low on the list of priorities and unrealistic in any political climate the US has ever had.

I’m not a gambler, but I take that to mean you pay out four times? I would take that bet absolutely. It’s not as if there aren’t new reasons for the movement every week. I mean, if Hillary gets elected and there is a wholesale revolution of the criminal justice system in a year, then sure it would go away, but the movement is in no way built around this election cycle.

Nope, I would pay .25 to get a dollar. That’s about my level of suspicion that BLM was designed as GOP astroturf or quickly opportunistically co-opted.

There is clearly a toxic strain in US policing. This is not the likely path to a cure:

(Really great photo, though, if you’re trying to consolidate the Lawn Order folks.)

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:34:44am

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:39:18am

re: #163 Bass Reeves

Well now I’m confused, if you know the two organizations aren’t the same thing, nothing you wrote about the organization makes sense. MBL isn’t focused solely on the US, or solely on the goals of BLM, so it’s not exactly mission creep for BLM or the perils of a decentralized movement.

Really, nothing made sense to you? What an interestingly strong statement.

MBL is not BLM. It is a part of BLM. Clearer?

Anyhoo, do explain to me how accusing Israel of genocide serves black lives in the US (where the focus of the organization actually does lie) or globally. Do explain to me what “Black Lives Matter Network” is doing in the list of the participants (and endorsers). And maybe point out any of the BLM public faces who distanced themselves from this platform.

And I guess we can talk about reparations if you want, why loony? Is it a ‘stupid to go after because never gonna happen’ loony, or ‘the idea of paying for past harms is in itself comical’ loony?

Personal reparations for state actions are actually a must, but that’s of course not something what is usually meant by the idea (and not what this org means by the idea). So certainly, if a person themselves lived under the unconstitutional Jim Crow or slavery, they should be compensated, as a matter of law. Reparations to their children is already stretching it. And the farther in the generations tree we go, the more absurd it becomes. As much as the idea that someone should get free education just because of the color of their skin.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:39:18am

re: #165 Decatur Deb

Jesus…I don’t even know where to start with that. BLM started as GOP astroturfing? That’s just…fucked up, really.

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KerFuFFler  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:39:42am

re: #152 Nojay UK

There’s an unreasoning fear about radiation and its effects in the environment which is not matched by real threats of chemical contamination from, say, coal-burning plants or natural gas, the oil industry etc. but nuclear is treated specially whereas yet another coal waste spill in, say, West Virginia is three paragraphs on page 14 of the local paper ho hum.

There are indeed too many industries that store toxic sludge rather than paying big bucks to neutralize it. The problem is that containment systems work until they don’t. Eventually sludge reservoirs decay and leak. And then the cleanup is always orders of magnitude greater than just treating the sludge to begin with.

The people who make the decisions to kick the can down the road by storing rather than treating waste are all betting that they can get their paychecks and bonuses before the massive costs are recognized. The companies can go bankrupt after huge profits have been sucked out leaving not nearly enough money to pay for waste treatment——-let alone spill cleanups. Tax payers will be forced to cover the expenses of the vastly more expensive cleanup efforts after leaking sludge seeps far and wide in the soil and groundwater. Private profit, public expense…..

I wish that more people understood that stronger regulations and effective EPA policing can save tax payers money and furthermore diminish the heartache and pain that these poisons inflict on the citizenry in terms of illness and premature deaths.

(I live in a town that has had to pay for———with federal assistance———a huge cleanup after a long closed factory was found to have contaminated the area with lead, mercury and other fun stuff. This issue really burns me up.)

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:40:19am

re: #168 Bass Reeves

Jesus…I don’t even know where to start with that. BLM started as GOP astroturfing? That’s just…fucked up, really.

I said one chance in four. Who have they helped? Who have they hurt?

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jeffreyw  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:48:43am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Nojay UK  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:50:43am

re: #169 KerFuFFler

(I live in a town that has had to pay for———with federal assistance———a huge cleanup after a long closed factory was found to have contaminated the area with lead, mercury and other fun stuff. This issue really burns me up.)

The nuclear industry in the US and elsewhere is legally required to pay into a ring-fenced fund to cover the cost of decommissioning plant and a levy is charged for dealing with waste. No other power-generating industry has this sort of requirement as far as I can tell.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:52:02am

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:58:59am

stolen from wherever

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KerFuFFler  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:15:32am

re: #172 Nojay UK

(I live in a town that has had to pay for———with federal assistance———a huge cleanup after a long closed factory was found to have contaminated the area with lead, mercury and other fun stuff. This issue really burns me up.)

The nuclear industry in the US and elsewhere is legally required to pay into a ring-fenced fund to cover the cost of decommissioning plant and a levy is charged for dealing with waste. No other power-generating industry has this sort of requirement as far as I can tell.

I was agreeing with your point about non-nuclear industries which is why I highlighted this portion when I quoted you:

real threats of chemical contamination from, say, coal-burning plants or natural gas, the oil industry etc

I wish that other industries were required to cover the expenses of truly dealing with the toxins they leave behind.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:16:51am

re: #17 Jenner7

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We have Trump because of YOUR PARTY, Ana. We aren’t responsible for your mess.

He got through a stimulus package which prevented a Depression, Obamacare and put Dodd-Frank in place which has been effective in curbing Banks to prevent another financial meltdown. Considering it all met maximum GOP resistance, that is an impressive legislative record for two years.

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:19:37am

re: #124 Anymouse

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:19:48am

re: #175 KerFuFFler

I was agreeing with your point about non-nuclear industries which is why I highlighted this portion when I quoted you:

I wish that other industries were required to cover the expenses of truly dealing with the toxins they leave behind.

Coal mining is not a non-nuclear industry, when you count the geigers.
Coal Ash Is More Radioactive Than Nuclear Waste

scientificamerican.com

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fern01  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:19:52am

He found his phone this morning. Seems the media is the real cause of this failing campaign

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fern01  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:21:10am

The media records every last word - seems that isn’t what is wanted

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:22:28am

Maybe before Trump attacks the media on how it covers his campaign, he should get his campaign to focus on consistent messaging.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:22:49am

re: #179 fern01

I see lots of disgust with media here too. And frankly I don’t like this collective dismissal. If Trump is pissed, maybe they’re doing something right after all?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:23:48am

re: #181 FormerDirtDart

Maybe before Trump attacks the media on how it covers his campaign, he should get his campaign to focus on consistent messaging.

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He was being seriously sarcastic, and literally figurative.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:24:47am

I apologize profusely for the wall o’ text.
re: #167 Nyet

MBL is not BLM. It is a part of BLM. Clearer?

Clear. But wrong. MBL is a larger coalition that has incorporated the goals of BLM. That’s why BLM Network is listed as a participant.

Anyhoo, do explain to me how accusing Israel of genocide serves black lives in the US (where the focus of the organization actually does lie) or globally. Do explain to me what “Black Lives Matter Network” is doing in the list of the participants (and endorsers). And maybe point out any of the BLM public faces who distanced themselves from this platform.

An excerpt from their platform :

While this platform is focused on domestic policies, we know that patriarchy, exploitative capitalism, militarism, and white supremacy know no borders. We stand in solidarity with our international family against the ravages of global capitalism and anti-Black racism, human-made climate change, war, and exploitation. We also stand with descendants of African people all over the world in an ongoing call and struggle for reparations for the historic and continuing harms of colonialism and slavery. We also recognize and honor the rights and struggle of our Indigenous family for land and self-determination.

I don’t think Israel commits genocide. MBL is hardly the only organization on the left that has a distorted view of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. I don’t think BLM needs to discuss it, because it is not within their purview. BLM talking about Israel would seem to be mission creep.

Personal reparations for state actions are actually a must, but that’s of course not something what is usually meant by the idea (and not what this org means by the idea). So certainly, if a person themselves lived under the unconstitutional Jim Crow or slavery, they should be compensated, as a matter of law. Reparations to their children is already stretching it. And the farther in the generations tree we go, the more absurd it becomes. As much as the idea that someone should get free education just because of the color of their skin.

I fully cede the impracticality of paying cash payments to the descendants of slaves. But I don’t actually think that if a government prevented a couple of generations of people from gaining wealth or education just because of the color of their skin, that providing some sort of redress would be absurd. The lack of access to wealth and education has proven harm to subsequent generations. Giving direct cash payments? Impractical. Policies directly aiming toward overcoming the harm would probably be more efficient. But, in the US, you can’t feasibly aim policies to improving the lot of black people. So free education for black people turns into targeted subsidizing of higher education based on income (means testing for harm basically), and laws specifically aimed at countering discrimination. Wealth generation is more difficult, but I’m guessing the drive to increase small business ownership and home ownership is geared towards that?

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:26:58am

re: #159 Bass Reeves

1:4 means it has an 80% chance of happening (4/5). You would wager $4 to win $1, as odds are always expressed in failure to success.

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:30:03am

re: #179 fern01

He found his phone this morning. Seems the media is the real cause of this failing campaign

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MSNBC covers every second of his dumpster fire, even coverage of when his plane lands.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:31:09am

Frankly, I have expected incidents like this

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:31:30am

re: #170 Decatur Deb

Well….they got criminal justice reform on the radar (specifically reform of the police and judicial side of the house, and not just the offenders). Black people have been saying that the criminal justice system has been unfairly targeting them since, y’know, forever. And because of the increased scrutiny and use of social media, other people are starting to become aware of it.

I’m not sure who they’ve hurt. I’m not being snarky, I don’t know who the BLM movement has caused actual harm to. Emotional, yes. Actual, no.

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darthstar  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:31:46am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:32:00am

re: #184 Bass Reeves

I apologize profusely for the wall o’ text.

Clear. But wrong. MBL is a larger coalition that has incorporated the goals of BLM. That’s why BLM Network is listed as a participant.

An excerpt from their platform :

I don’t think Israel commits genocide. MBL is hardly the only organization on the left that has a distorted view of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. I don’t think BLM needs to discuss it, because it is not within their purview. BLM talking about Israel would seem to be mission creep.

I fully cede the impracticality of paying cash payments to the descendants of slaves. But I don’t actually think that if a government prevented a couple of generations of people from gaining wealth or education just because of the color of their skin, that providing some sort of redress would be absurd. The lack of access to wealth and education has proven harm to subsequent generations. Giving direct cash payments? Impractical. Policies directly aiming toward overcoming the harm would probably be more efficient. But, in the US, you can’t feasibly aim policies to improving the lot of black people. So free education for black people turns into targeted subsidizing of higher education based on income (means testing for harm basically), and laws specifically aimed at countering discrimination. Wealth generation is more difficult, but I’m guessing the drive to increase small business ownership and home ownership is geared towards that?

That’s a good idea. We should come up with some actions on that, affirmatively.

I’m being recruited by a rag-tag little group of rebels called SURJ, essentially the white debutantes to BLM. I’m trying not to rain on their parade, but they have a college freshman’s perspective on the civil rights history of the US.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:32:14am

re: #185 Frankie Five Angels

Wait, doesn’t that mean since I’m betting against it, I would pay 1 to get 4?

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darthstar  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:33:03am

re: #187 FormerDirtDart

Frankly, I have expected incidents like this

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Some people go for the gold, other collect silver.

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b.d.  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:33:24am

Holy Mother of God what a mess.

Spicer emphasized that RNC chairman Reince Priebus has been working aggressively to coach Trump into being a more disciplined candidate, calling the nominee “five or six times a day,” according to another person present at last week’s closed-door meeting.

Read more: politico.com
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:34:00am

re: #190 Decatur Deb

LOL yes, I understand that is the purpose of affirmative action, and think they are not enough, but there are proposals to provide more.

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darthstar  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:36:25am

re: #193 b.d.

Holy Mother of God what a mess.

That’s borderline stalking.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:37:51am

re: #133 Nojay UK

Like I said, people have been fed bullshit so much about nuclear power they just don’t know the truth.

Thank you for updating the figures, mine were obviously way too old. But it is a form of indirect subsidy for plant operators when the government agrees to step in and cover losses.

Free markets can only function for the benefit of all when prices reflect actual costs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:39:13am

re: #175 KerFuFFler

I wish that other industries were required to cover the expenses of truly dealing with the toxins they leave behind.

again, this is a case where the market is skewered because prices do not reflect actual costs.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:39:15am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:39:17am

These assholes are going to get somebody killed.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:39:45am

re: #188 Bass Reeves

Well….they got criminal justice reform on the radar (specifically reform of the police and judicial side of the house, and not just the offenders). Black people have been saying that the criminal justice system has been unfairly targeting them since, y’know, forever. And because of the increased scrutiny and use of social media, other people are starting to become aware of it.

I’m not sure who they’ve hurt. I’m not being snarky, I don’t know who the BLM movement has caused actual harm to. Emotional, yes. Actual, no.

They made Sanders into an aged buffoon, and tried to split HRC from the black electorate while simultaneously focusing racist whites against the “anti-police” Dems in general.

Criminal justice and police abuse was never off the radar. I’ve been a member of SPLC for a couple decades. My last action with them was last Saturday.

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b.d.  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:39:49am

re: #195 darthstar

That’s borderline stalking.

Donor BigBucks: Did you call Donald?

Priebus: Yes sir

Donor BigBucks: How’d he take the advice?

Priebus: He didn’t let me talk

Donor BigBucks: Call him again

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makeitstop  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:40:06am

re: #151 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, where the heat indices are in the 100-110 range depending on location. You have to go 100+ miles to find indices that are under 100 - the shore will be pushing 100 with the heat index too.

It’s just incredibly humid and hot, and that means that there’s a chance of strong/severe t-storms in the area. We were visiting friends yesterday, and driving back home in the evening along the NJ Turnpike was a real treat - watching thunderstorms in the distance with all their majesty and power. It was an incredible light show where for the 90 minutes of driving we had constant lighting among two major cells as we were heading north.

Today looks like there’ll be more of the same.

Guess heading to the mall is a good idea - at least it’ll be cool.

I played a show up in Port Jefferson on the Island last night - in a really nice old theater, which was air conditioned. After the show, the wife and I stopped for a bite to eat and as we were leaving the diner, the skies to the north over LI Sound and Connecticut were alight with so much lightning - I’d never seen such active skies in all of my 60 plus years on the planet.

We sat in the truck and watched for a solid 15 minutes and it didn’t let up at all. As we left the parking lot and headed south, the moon and stars were out and it was as clear as a bell. Looking to the south, you never would have imagined that the Lightning Apocalypse was taking place a few miles to the north.

I’ve got another outdoor show today at a carnival out in central LI. Hopefully we’ll get through the show without incident.

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:40:10am

re: #191 Bass Reeves

Wait, doesn’t that mean since I’m betting against it, I would pay 1 to get 4?

If you’re betting against, yes, it could be 4/1, BUT, it’s rarely like that. More than likely, going against would be 17:5 or as low as 3:1.

Baseball example: Today, the Blue Jays are 5:7 (or -140) favorites over the Astros, who are 6:5 (or +120). There’s a “20 cent” difference in the lines.

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darthstar  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:40:18am
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b.d.  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:41:44am

re: #198 FormerDirtDart

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Lochte should have been carrying a gun

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fern01  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:44:28am

re: #182 Nyet

I see lots of disgust with media here too. And frankly I don’t like this collective dismissal. If Trump is pissed, maybe they’re doing something right after all?

It’s taken the media a long time to call him out - while no other candidate gets a look in. Suddenly that isn’t so good for Trump - the media now quotes him verbatim

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stpaulbear  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:45:28am

re: #193 b.d.

Spicer emphasized that RNC chairman Reince Priebus has been working aggressively to coach Trump into being a more disciplined candidate, calling the nominee “five or six times a day,” according to another person present at last week’s closed-door meeting.

“Tell that loser that I’m on another call!”

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:46:26am

A six part thread:

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fern01  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:46:42am

re: #193 b.d.

Holy Mother of God what a mess.

Call him once or 20 times - not going to help. Taking away his phone would be a good start.

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b.d.  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:47:10am

re: #207 stpaulbear

“Tell that loser that I’m on another call!”

Reince should climb Donald’s building to get his attention.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:47:52am
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makeitstop  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:48:08am

re: #182 Nyet

I see lots of disgust with media here too. And frankly I don’t like this collective dismissal. If Trump is pissed, maybe they’re doing something right after all?

Nah. Trump demands total fealty, and anything less - even mild criticism or actually quoting him verbatim when he says something stupid - is blasphemy.

You can see it when someone writes something relatively positive abot him - he tweets a personal thank you to the author or outlet and says how great they are.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:52:31am

No electricity and bouncing paychecks: What it was like to work for Trump Magazine

In an extensive tell-all written for Politico, a former employee for Trump Magazine documents a cash-strapped and dysfunctional company where paychecks bounced, the power was shut off due to unpaid bills and important health insurance was cancelled — after a cancer diagnosis.

One might call it a preview of Trump’s America.

Read the Politico piece, too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:53:45am

re: #206 fern01

It’s taken the media a long time to call him out - while no other candidate gets a look in. Suddenly that isn’t so good for Trump - the media now quotes him verbatim

They have finally figured out that Trump is still ratings gold whether they are fawning over him or trashing him.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:54:51am

re: #211 FormerDirtDart

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Those are good numbers, especially making GA plausible. FL is more critical, but it’s nice to make them scramble and spend in their ‘safe spaces’.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:55:16am

re: #65 Dr Lizardo

I’ve also seen this with Czechs as well from time to time. “Second Banana Syndrome”. Most Czechs I’ve encountered, however, are quite content not being some kind of superpower; there’s far too many headaches that go along with that.

I’m sure they have seen quite enough of that from their neighbors to want to have anything to do with it.

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b.d.  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:57:09am

re: #213 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No electricity and bouncing paychecks: What it was like to work for Trump Magazine

Read the Politico piece, too.

“Wealth Porn”

How come I have never heard that expression before? It is the perfect explanation of the whole Trump phenomenon.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:57:34am

re: #200 Decatur Deb

They made Sanders into an aged buffoon, and tried to split HRC from the black electorate while simultaneously focusing racist whites against the “anti-police” Dems in general.

BLM didn’t make Sanders into anything that he wasn’t. I would have thought looking at his own actions as well as the surrogates and campaign staff would have made that clear. Sander’s problem was Sanders, and his lack of connection with minorities was all on him. Neither did BLM try to split HRC from anything. They tried to make both candidates accountable to the black community on this issue. They wanted inclusion of this specific issue and specific solutions built into their platforms. Bernie failed to do that. HRC did…better.

BLM isn’t anti-police, and who gives a ***** about the focus of the racist whites? BLM didn’t make racist whites be racist.

Criminal justice and police abuse was never off the radar. I’ve been a member of SPLC for a couple decades. My last action with them was last Saturday.

I enjoy/sincerely appreciate the work that the SPLC does. BLM doesn’t run counter to the goals of the SPLC. But you have to realize that BLM absolutely helped raise the level of scrutiny on the issue. When I’m having discussions in Afghanistan with *Afghanis* on police brutality, that’s because of BLM’s usage of social media.

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 14, 2016 • 7:59:36am

re: #217 b.d.

“Wealth Porn”

How come I have never heard that expression before? It is the perfect explanation of the whole Trump phenomenon.

Beat me to it.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:02:01am

re: #213 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No electricity and bouncing paychecks: What it was like to work for Trump Magazine

Read the Politico piece, too.

My paycheck bounced. Instead of reissuing it, they gave me a brown paper bag filled with hundred-dollar bills.

hmmmm

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:02:01am

re: #217 b.d.

“Wealth Porn”

How come I have never heard that expression before? It is the perfect explanation of the whole Trump phenomenon.

We have been raised in the Calvinist notion that the rich got that way because they are somehow morally superior to us or enjoy God’s grace.

We just love seeing examples of how that does not apply.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:02:04am

re: #215 Decatur Deb

Those are good numbers, especially making GA plausible. FL is more critical, but it’s nice to make them scramble and spend in their ‘safe spaces’.

And yet, Trump is campaigning in Connecticut

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:03:26am

re: #78 Anymouse

The BBC weigh in on whether the Republican Party could dump Mr. Trump at this late date, and the pros and cons that would result:

bbc.com

In short, they’re screwed no matter what they do.

The GOP did largely pull its support from Senator Bob Dole when it became obvious his campaign was going to tank, but Senator Dole is quite different from Mr. Trump. For one thing, Senator Dole was not running a campaign based on hatred and personal attacks on veterans and Gold Star Families. (I still can’t believe that Mr. Trump didn’t just leave the Khan family alone, or simply give a statement of condolences to them. Then Katrina Pierson trying to blame their son’s death on President Obama. What a bunch of lunatics.)

Despite Dole’s appearance at the GOP Convention, he was pretty much the polar opposite of Trump as a politician and a man I could respect. His candidacy was the end of an era. The last WWII vet to run for President, 51 years after the end of the War. Six veterans who served in WWII combat theaters, even if only briefly (LBJ) became President, matched only in number by Civil War veterans. In contrast, it appears that no-one who served in Vietnam will ever be elected President.

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ObserverArt  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:06:33am

re: #187 FormerDirtDart

Frankly, I have expected incidents like this

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Yep.

I knew a guy that was with an IndyCar race team when they used to race in Rio back in the 90s. He was told by everyone do not go onto the beach at night alone. Actually try not to go wandering about alone. Stay in groups and let the team manager and head PR woman where you are headed just in case.

After the Saturday practices and qualifying he got to partying a bit, got stupid and defiant and went out for a walk on the beach.

He missed the race the next afternoon after he was found earlier in the morning lying on the beach in only his underwear shorts with a big ol’ knot on his head. He had been clubbed unconscious stripped of everything and left on the beach. Lost all his personal items, etc.

The team owner was pissed off big time.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:09:07am

re: #218 Bass Reeves

BLM didn’t make Sanders into anything that he wasn’t. I would have thought looking at his own actions as well as the surrogates and campaign staff would have made that clear. Sander’s problem was Sanders, and his lack of connection with minorities was all on him. Neither did BLM try to split HRC from anything. They tried to make both candidates accountable to the black community on this issue. They wanted inclusion of this specific issue and specific solutions built into their platforms. Bernie failed to do that. HRC did…better.

BLM isn’t anti-police, and who gives a ***** about the focus of the racist whites? BLM didn’t make racist whites be racist.

I enjoy/sincerely appreciate the work that the SPLC does. BLM doesn’t run counter to the goals of the SPLC. But you have to realize that BLM absolutely helped raise the level of scrutiny on the issue. When I’m having discussions in Afghanistan with *Afghanis* on police brutality, that’s because of BLM’s usage of social media.

Sanders was what he was certainly, but what he wasn’t was a first- or second-order threat to black lives. I’m very uneasy about local black support for HRC in our community. Only the black-led “official” Dem organization is showing any sign of life. Our grassroots folks who worked on ACA registration and crossed borders for Obama have gone quiet. I care a lot about anything that energizes the white racist/RWNJ forces. (That’s why this is a good year to shut up about guns.) Those mofos turn out on election day.

We can still fuck this thing up.

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:09:49am

Jeff Sessions, stop interrupting.

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nines09  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:17:48am

I wonder if families with the last name “Trump” are happy? Or Trump Radiator Service. Or Trump Investments. Hmmm…

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:19:10am

re: #224 ObserverArt

In 2003 an acquaintance of mine traveled to Rio with her Jazz band from Morehead State. In little more than a day in country several armed men forced their way into her room. Beat her and a male member of the band, and held them at gun point in the room over night so that they could access both their ATM & credit card accounts twice.

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Frankie Five Angels  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:19:19am

re: #227 nines09

I wonder if families with the last name “Trump” are happy? Or Trump Radiator Service. Or Trump Investments. Hmmm…

No.

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darthstar  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:19:56am

re: #225 Decatur Deb

We can still fuck this thing up.

True, but I don’t think there’s an elected Democrat or Republican who seriously wants to see Trump win…especially Mike Pence & Paul Ryan. Okay, maybe Chris Christie to keep his ass out of jail…but other than that, everyone is banking (and I do mean banking) on a Hillary win.

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nines09  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:21:35am

re: #229 Frankie Five Angels

I think you are correct. For the sane ones anyway.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:22:51am

re: #230 darthstar

True, but I don’t think there’s an elected Democrat or Republican who seriously wants to see Trump win…especially Mike Pence & Paul Ryan. Okay, maybe Chris Christie to keep his ass out of jail…but other than that, everyone is banking (and I do mean banking) on a Hillary win.

538 had a pertinent comment the other day—basically Trump’s numbers are bad, but really not much worse than playing Russian roulette.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:23:20am

re: #204 darthstar

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I wouldn’t exactly call that piece “glowing.’ Looks pretty sarcastic to me.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:23:56am

re: #184 Bass Reeves

Clear. But wrong.

I got that that’s what you think. I’m just waiting for you to explain why that is supposed to be wrong. Because this -

MBL is a larger coalition that has incorporated the goals of BLM. That’s why BLM Network is listed as a participant.

- doesn’t cut it unless you mean that being part of something means you can’t be larger than something. In which case nobody here is a part of LGF since we’re more than just nicknames on a screen. In fact what you wrote is exactly why MLB is a part of BLM.

Indeed, I find the idea that it isn’t to be so preposterous as not to merit too many bytes spent on it, but let’s just entertain it for a second and say that when the media and various Jewish groups respond to it as to a BLM group (you won’t find trouble finding this, random example 1, random example 2) they’re being wrong/sloppy. But such an identification exists and if it were wrong, what would we expect? Right, clarifications from both the MLB and BLM activists making clear that MLB is not a part of BLM and should not be addressed as such.

What do we see instead? Not only a lack of any such clarifications, but rather the opposite - one of the two authors of that part of the platform clearly thinks that the identification is correct:

dreamdefenders.org

Those who have previously claimed to be allies of the Black lives matter movement have shown us that they are comfortable with our resistance so long as it fits within particular confines and restrictions. It is convenient to endorse black lives matter when it benefits you. And as long as we stay silent about Israeli apartheid, they will “stand” with Black liberation in the US. Now that our movement has taken a stand against all forms of white supremacy and oppression, Black lives no longer matter.

The responses I’ve seen do not deny the identification, they respond “on the issues” (rightly or wrongly).

To be honest, I don’t want to spend more time on such an obvious point. If you want to continue with the denial in the next comment, more power to you etc.

I don’t think Israel commits genocide. MBL is hardly the only organization on the left that has a distorted view of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. I don’t think BLM needs to discuss it, because it is not within their purview. BLM talking about Israel would seem to be mission creep.

A significant part of BLM is already talking about Israel through MLB (including BLMN, which is a participant in MLB and endorses its platform). That’s the whole point. And there doesn’t seem to be much resistance to it.

As for reparations, this is not different to me than, say, me asking Germany for reparations because its war against USSR obviously influenced my own well-being in uncountable, if indirect, ways, or young citizens of the Baltic states asking for reparations from Russia for the same reason. Or maybe we should go back to the time of the serfs and see how serfdom influenced our great-grand…parents? “Righting the historical wrong” may sound all lofty and good on paper, but in practice there’s no end to historical grievance claims. I think opening that can of worms is foolish.

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Jenner7  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:25:07am
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nines09  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:26:53am

And in other news, the Amish are being played by a so called “Amish PAC” whose sole purpose is to get the Amish to support and vote for Trump in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Lying, taken to a whole new level.
I wonder if pictures of a Trump Casino or Melania nude would be of interest to them?

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:28:36am

re: #225 Decatur Deb

Sanders definitely wasn’t a threat to black lives, I believe the perception is that he just wasn’t going to be much of a benefit. As far as grassroots support, are you seeing something in the numbers? I get it, we could still lose this. I’m kinda certain if Trump wins, it won’t be because of BLM though.

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Interesting Times  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:33:03am

re: #230 darthstar

True, but I don’t think there’s an elected Democrat or Republican who seriously wants to see Trump win…especially Mike Pence & Paul Ryan. Okay, maybe Chris Christie to keep his ass out of jail…but other than that, everyone is banking (and I do mean banking) on a Hillary win.

I don’t believe in taking *anything* for granted. It’s only freaking August, after all (to put it the timeframe in perspective for me personally, less than 3 months ago, it was cold and snowing where I live. Now it’s so hot and humid we have heat alerts).

There’s still the possibility of Wikileaks pulling some crap, releasing their own version of the Rathergate memos or what have you. Even if nothing especially dramatic happens, there’s also the possibility of election malaise or fatigue setting in, where people become numb to Trump (heh, almost wrote “dumb” instead of “numb” - Freudian typo?) and figure, meh, HRC will win anyway so why bother to vote.

That’s why it’s more important than anything else to keep the motivation up and give people reasons to vote FOR Hillary and the downticket Dems. This is potentially a once-in-a-lifetime landslide opportunity and it needs to be milked for all it’s worth.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:33:09am

re: #179 fern01

He found his phone this morning. Seems the media is the real cause of this failing campaign

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BeachDem  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:34:02am

re: #160 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

His words mean whatever he says they mean at the time he utters them or at the time he explains them.

Context is a liberal plot.

Why, just like Humpty Dumpty (Trumpty—sensing a pattern…)

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:34:14am

re: #236 nines09

And in other news, the Amish are being played by a so called “Amish PAC” whose sole purpose is to get the Amish to support and vote for Trump in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Lying, taken to a whole new level.
I wonder if pictures of a Trump Casino or Melania nude would be of interest to them?

Trump should put far more of his effort into courting the Amish, especially the gun enthusiasts among them.

“When [the Amish] vote, they vote for individual rights, personal responsibility, less government, lower taxes, and to protect their right to bear arms,” Walters said. “

His campaign should spend a lot more on flags and brightly-colored stickers for their buggies.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:35:40am
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ObserverArt  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:35:52am

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

In 2003 an acquaintance of mine traveled to Rio with her Jazz band from Morehead State. In little more than a day in country several armed men forced their way into her room. Beat her and a male member of the band, and held them at gun point in the room over night so that they could access both their ATM & credit card accounts twice.

Oh wow. That sure had to have been a very scary thing to go through.

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nines09  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:37:44am

re: #241 Decatur Deb

Trump should put far more of his effort into courting the Amish, especially the gun enthusiasts among them.

“When [the Amish] vote, they vote for individual rights, personal responsibility, less government, lower taxes, and to protect their right to bear arms,” Walters said. “

His campaign should spend a lot more on flags and brightly-colored stickers for their buggies.

This picture looks legit…..

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Sherlock Hound  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:38:29am

re: #224 ObserverArt

A friend of mine is a freelance sports cameraman. He’s in Rio. NBC made it very clear to him that they were not responsible if he wandered out on his own. He worked all the swimming events.

NBC has an almost self-contained operation. When my friend sightsees today, it will be all group excursions.

As an aside, the attendance figures have been VERY poor. My friend got tickets to the women’s gymnastics all-around. That would never happen at any other Olympics. Zika hysteria and a 10-hour flight might have something to do with this.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:39:32am

re: #242 FormerDirtDart

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Split Ticket  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:39:54am

re: #241 Decatur Deb

I think it was a few years ago that someone here or somewhere else on the internet said that the Amish can’t vote because they do not use voting machines. I remember making the comment that they use pencil and paper to vote like the Canadians do. They are a small group of people who want to maintain their “plain” lives. If that Trump person wants to spend his money there go right ahead.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:40:44am

re: #240 BeachDem

Why, just like Humpty Dumpty (Trumpty—sensing a pattern…)

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”

So THAT’S the book that was in his nightstand.

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:42:00am

I think, as a white man, that BLM did a great job getting their message through. The Democrats are counting on their votes. They had a right to demand their concerns be addressed, and how the individual campaigns handled that was a good indicator of their ability to govern.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:42:39am
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ObserverArt  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:43:53am

re: #235 Jenner7

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Is Comey playing politics or covering his butt. Or, both?

This is getting into dangerous territory.

Meanwhile…Trump hides everything from everybody.

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BeachDem  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:44:35am

re: #182 Nyet

I see lots of disgust with media here too. And frankly I don’t like this collective dismissal. If Trump is pissed, maybe they’re doing something right after all?

I am one who often voices disgust with the media, but I don’t call them corrupt and dishonest—my problem is that they have become lazy and incurious by trying to present every issue with a “both sides” view, when often one side is fact-based and the other “side” is just batshit noise, which they allow to stand as equal and opposite without calling it out for what it is.

My dismay is greater, perhaps, because of attending journalism school when everything required 2-3 sources, accuracy was required and being correct was more important than being first.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:45:04am

A second grader who thought he knew more about music than his music teacher.

He’s been problematic from day one.

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nines09  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:46:15am

re: #247 Split Ticket

The Amish have about 500 sects, if I am to believe what one told me, and are not all of them are “Orthodox” or Old Order. They have Bishops who decide what is and is not allowed. I’ve had many a conversation with many Amish and they are not all of the same cloth. One ‘“church” will allow what another will not. They are like any other “people” as in problems and greed and cheating. They are not above the problems of the flesh.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:48:32am

re: #254 nines09

The Amish have about 500 sects, if I am to believe what one told me, and are not all of them are “Orthodox” or Old Order. They have Bishops who decide what is and is not allowed. I’ve had many a conversation with many Amish and they are not all of the same cloth. One ‘“church” will allow what another will not. They are like any other “people” as in problems and greed and cheating. They are not above the problems of the flesh.

Having visions of a PAC fundraiser who asks an Amish leader if he wants to ‘bundle’.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:49:05am

re: #251 ObserverArt

Is Comey playing politics or covering his butt. Or, both?

This is getting into dangerous territory.

Meanwhile…Trump hides everything from everybody.

Always thought that Comeys press conference was a ridiculous action, and was contradicted by the report that was actually produced, and his testimony days later. Made him look like a clown. Anything he does besides sit down and shut up makes him look worse.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:49:53am

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ObserverArt  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:50:14am

re: #245 Sherlock Hound

A friend of mine is a freelance sports cameraman. He’s in Rio. NBC made it very clear to him that they were not responsible if he wandered out on his own. He worked all the swimming events.

NBC has an almost self-contained operation. When my friend sightsees today, it will be all group excursions.

As an aside, the attendance figures have been VERY poor. My friend got tickets to the women’s gymnastics all-around. That would never happen at any other Olympics. Zika hysteria and a 10-hour flight might have something to do with this.

I’ve noticed the lack of crowds in the events I’ve watched.

I hope the Olympic Committee gets it together to figure out they can’t just put the games wherever because of a huge check. They are hurting themselves and all the participants and their countries.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:50:24am

re: #255 Decatur Deb

Having visions of a PAC fundraiser who asks an Amish leader if he wants to ‘bundle’.

en.wikipedia.org

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stpaulbear  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:50:30am
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nines09  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:52:45am

re: #259 Decatur Deb

en.wikipedia.org

At which point Eli puts on his hat, stands, says “Good day” and walks to the door, stops, takes on more backwards glare and leaves.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:53:06am

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

I waded through his filth and found the direct link to his tweet.

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nines09  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:54:28am

bbl must go get heat stroke….

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Great White Snark  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:55:05am

Movie fans in this am perhaps?
Anthropoid is one intense historical drama. Saw it yesterday. I had for gotten the west gave Czechoslovakia away to the Nazis in the ‘30’s. Hard movie to watch by way of a very sad story. Bring Kleenex.
rollingstone.com

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:56:50am

re: #262 GlutenFreeJesus

I waded through his filth and found the direct link to his tweet.

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Someone in the Trump campaign made sure to remove the flag of Israel prior to printing up the board.

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Sherlock Hound  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:57:37am

re: #262 GlutenFreeJesus

My head hurts. Clinton gives all this stuff to Arab nations, but her $20 bill has a Star of David. ‘K

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 14, 2016 • 8:58:50am

Trump’s twitter storm this morning, where he blames The Media for not being ahead by 20%, is very revealing. He really seems to believe that he can do the entire campaign with rallies, and that if The Media would only show how big the crowds were, he’d be winning.

I confess I’ve worried for some time about him managing to turn things around, pivot to the general, and win, even if just barely. But as I think about it, there’s nothing in his history to suggest he has any idea how to turn anything around. If it doesn’t work by the usual Trump method, it fails. There are no turnarounds, there are no fixes, just “it works, or it doesn’t.” Other campaigns, you see them jettison staff and change their message, but Trump really is the only message, and when your entire campaign is built around going from unexpected success to unexpected success, when you stop succeeding, you fail spectacularly.

Josh Marshall (him again?) described Trump’s campaign as being like a heavily leveraged business. As long as it’s succeeding, the amount of debt looks really smart, because you got other people to put up the money to make yourself rich. But the moment it stops succeeding, there you are, hugely in debt with no way to pay it off. You go from looking like a genius to looking like a moron.

During the Primary, Bobby Jindal tried to goad Trump into a Twitter war, and Trump shut him down, saying Jindal wasn’t important enough to bother with. That was Trump at the peak of his strength - confident, projecting the image of a winner.

Look at Trump today - his tweets railing against the media are the very essence of weakness. Dave Weigel captured the essence of Trump today, with a reference to The Big Lebowski:

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ObserverArt  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:00:38am

re: #253 Stanley Sea

A second grader who thought he knew more about music than his music teacher.

He’s been problematic from day one.

He must have been able to run wild as a child and then if anyone said anything Daddy and Momma stepped in to protect him.

He grew to expect that at every turn and still does. He is proof a spoiled brat can often times grow to be a social monster.

I bet his own kids operate on the same level of social interaction. It can be seen by his sons statements.

The whole family is a mess. I doubt even a crushing defeat will mean anything to them other than they will all need to prove they were mistreated and America owes them something.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:03:11am

re: #254 nines09

The Amish have about 500 sects, if I am to believe what one told me, and are not all of them are “Orthodox” or Old Order. They have Bishops who decide what is and is not allowed. I’ve had many a conversation with many Amish and they are not all of the same cloth. One ‘“church” will allow what another will not. They are like any other “people” as in problems and greed and cheating. They are not above the problems of the flesh.

Basic Anabaptist doctrine is the opposite of heirarchical. The ‘power’ is vested in the individual congregation, not in any higher human authority. I used to joke that there were so many small Mennonite churches, because you’d have a congregation getting along happily for a while till there was some doctrinal dispute:

Yoder: “This is what we believe.”

Stoltzfus: “Yeah, well I don’t believe that!”

Yoder: “Then why don’t you go start your own church!”

Stoltzfus: “Okay, I will!”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:05:22am

re: #255 Decatur Deb

*snerk*

That’s pretty funny.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:08:13am

re: #262 GlutenFreeJesus

I waded through his filth and found the direct link to his tweet.

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I’d ask David Duke if he likes America having deployable armored formations, because a big reason why we can buy enough spare parts for our M1A1/A2 Abrams tanks is the sale of those same parts overseas, which keeps costs down. but Duke would just respond with more lies, so there’s no point.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:10:07am

re: #234 Nyet

Actually, those links explained a lot, thank you. If you notice, both articles say ‘Black Lives Matter’, but don’t link to the BLM website, but the Movement for Black Lives Movement, here. So yes, ultimately, they are being sloppy and wrong. It’s like the People’s Front of Judea vs Judea’s People’s Front skit. Nothing in any link you provided was from a BLM founder or representative, nor in reference to any words or positions taken by a BLM founder or representative. The founders of MBL didn’t come from BLM, they came from Dream Defenders. BLM doesn’t actually owe anybody a response or clarification, although I agree it would probably help fully delineate the positions. BLM doesn’t speak through anything but BLM.

As for reparations, this is not different to me than, say, me asking Germany for reparations because its war against USSR obviously influenced my own well-being in uncountable, if indirect, ways, or young citizens of the Baltic states asking for reparations from Russia for the same reason. Or maybe we should go back to the time of the serfs and see how serfdom influenced our great-grand…parents? “Righting the historical wrong” may sound all lofty and good on paper, but in practice there’s no end to historical grievance claims. I think opening that can of worms is foolish.

Um…hasn’t Germany paid reparations to the USSR? And you talk about going ‘all the way back’ to serfdom, Jim Crow ‘officially’ ended in 1965. In the lifetime of my parents.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:13:35am

538 has Trump’s odds of winning down to 11.1% in its polls only model after this morning’s update:
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:22:59am

re: #273 Big Beautiful Door

538 has Trump’s odds of winning down to 11.1% in its polls only model after this morning’s update:
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Stare into my numbers. You are feeling relaxed. You are getting sleepy….

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sagehen  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:24:10am

re: #273 Big Beautiful Door

538 has Trump’s odds of winning down to 11.1% in its polls only model after this morning’s update:
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Still too high. More work to do.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:25:59am

Can I say how depressing it is, as someone whose seen how goddamn easy it’s been for conservatives to demonize organizations so easily to the point that not only the name and labels, but the actual goals, become wholly toxic, to see Black Lives Matter thought of so lowly here that people are acting like their plants? I mean…not to mention the whole treatment of BLM as a monolithic supergroup of evil as it is.

Just…goddammit.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:27:19am

There are twelve! weeks left in this campaign, and facing almost certain defeat, the rhetoric from the likes of Trump, Roger Stone, Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo that the election is fixed and the appropriate response may be armed resistance is already reckless, irresponsible and unamerican. The last time Americans rejected the election results and took up arms against the government a million Americans died in a four year Civil War. God help us if this election is close; Trump needs to be beaten badly in a landslide so that its absolutely clear how thoroughly the electorate has rejected him.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:28:34am

re: #276 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Can I say how depressing it is, as someone whose seen how goddamn easy it’s been for conservatives to demonize organizations so easily to the point that not only the name and labels, but the actual goals, become wholly toxic, to see Black Lives Matter thought of so lowly here that people are acting like their plants? I mean…not to mention the whole treatment of BLM as a monolithic supergroup of evil as it is.

Just…goddammit.

To what are you referring?

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:30:38am

Now, do I vote early, or wait till Aug 30th?
Not like I have much to vote on as an Independent in FL

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:31:26am

re: #272 Bass Reeves

Seriously Nyet, that’s very eye-opening. I keep going through these articles and they keep linking MBL when saying BLM. Some of them even say MBL first, and then go to BLM. Yet I can’t actually find anything saying when or where the BLM endorsed MBL or participated in the creation of it.

I was *going* to go grocery shopping today, but instead I’m now plumbing the depths of the internet (and not for porn). Thanks Nyet!

blacklivesmatter.com

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:33:05am

re: #276 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Can I say how depressing it is, as someone whose seen how goddamn easy it’s been for conservatives to demonize organizations so easily to the point that not only the name and labels, but the actual goals, become wholly toxic, to see Black Lives Matter thought of so lowly here that people are acting like their plants? I mean…not to mention the whole treatment of BLM as a monolithic supergroup of evil as it is.

Just…goddammit.

No group and no self-appointed individuals demand unchallenged trust. If you can’t maintain that level of paranoia, you don’t want to be working progessive issues in the Confederacy.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:40:01am

re: #201 b.d.

What’s that old quote about insanity and repetition again?

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mmmirele  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:40:16am

I’m on break from picketing “The Trinity Church” here in Scottsdale, aka the House of Mark Driscoll. Last Sunday was his opening day. For his first service, he had 162 cars in the two lots on the property.

Today he has a whopping…wait for it…108 cars. He’s down 1/3 over last week.

If just one person decided not to attend this week because they saw my sign last week and they went and did their research, then standing in the hot sun was more than worth it. It’s still worth it this week. I know from picketing Scientology that this is something you have to keep working at. Given how Driscoll basically abandoned his megachurch in Seattle because he wouldn’t sit under discipline, he probably doesn’t get why I would stand out there week after week after week.

I’m listening to Driscoll babble right now on his live stream. And no, despite what he says, his church is not a safe place for the hurting.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:41:26am
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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:41:52am

re: #281 Decatur Deb

No group and no self-appointed individuals demand unchallenged trust. If you can’t maintain that level of paranoia, you don’t want to be working progessive issues in the Confederacy.

There’s not giving it unchallenged trust, and then there’s falling into the same pratfalls conservatives want when they want a group demonized. Again, there seems to be a lot of conflation with groups using “Black Lives Matter” as a rallying cry as one gigantic monolithic group, as well as applying collective blame to that one whole monolithic supergroup. I can fully say some of the #BLM protests have gotten out of hand and counterproductive, as well as the fact that the whole decentralized idea of “Black LIves Matter” possibly being counterproductive as well, but seeing folks here treat it as a blanket negative and outright hurting blacks to the point of considering the possiblity that the whole thing was a GOP psy-ops thing…

Essentially, conservatives have won by making the group just as toxic and demonized as ACORN and others of the past. And regardless of my disagreements with the methods used at some of these protests, my god, that idea just again depresses me.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:41:53am

Wait, so there’s another BLM-ish movement that has a different acronym? Oh, leftisim, don’t ever change!

Now Fucks Nooz/Lie O’Reilly runs a little piece on what a bunch of PROTESTING HIPPIE COMMIE DOUCHETARDS these people are, FUNDED BY THE RADICAL LEFT and THE GUY WHO STARTED IT ONCE READ A BOOK BY ALINSKY!!11 And the entire right wing says, “See, they’re just a bunch of commanist naggers* who hate the po-lice! Jerst like in the nanteen-sevunties!”

…And whatever shred of visibility BLM had is now flushed down the memory hole. “Divide and toxify” is a great strategy. It’s even greater if you do it for your opponents without them having to do more than cobble some bullshit together in a Fox editing room an hour before the show starts.

*not necessarily meaning “people who nag”

It is depressing, and predictable as a sunrise. BLM has done really great by staying visible and not necessarily falling into the maze trap that right-wing media has set for them. White power wants to put them in a box. DON’T STEP INTO THE BOX.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:44:52am
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:49:53am

“…Following conflicting reports — including the IOC denying any incident took place — Lochte himself confirmed with NBC’s Billy Bush that he and “three other swimmers” were robbed at gunpoint…”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:53:05am

re: #285 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

There’s not giving it unchallenged trust, and then there’s falling into the same pratfalls conservatives want when they want a group demonized. Again, there seems to be a lot of conflation with groups using “Black Lives Matter” as a rallying cry as one gigantic monolithic group, as well as applying collective blame to that one whole monolithic supergroup. I can fully say some of the #BLM protests have gotten out of hand and counterproductive, as well as the fact that the whole decentralized idea of “Black LIves Matter” possibly being counterproductive as well, but seeing folks here treat it as a blanket negative and outright hurting blacks to the point of considering the possiblity that the whole thing was a GOP psy-ops thing…

Essentially, conservatives have won by making the group just as toxic and demonized as ACORN and others of the past. And regardless of my disagreements with the methods used at some of these protests, my god, that idea just again depresses me.

You’re not really giving BLM much shrift in that statement. If they’re doing counterproductive things, loudly, in an election year, that definitely trips a flare. So I’m standing with my suspicion—one chance in four they were sourced or quickly co-opted by the party that wanted Sanders and HRC gone.

Assuming they are an honest spontaneous outburst of rage at outrageous injustice, then they have demonstrated the vulnerability of poorly-led, unaccountable action. To reach any kind of goal in any timeframe we have to think this stuff through and avoid re-learning things we knew in the 60s.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:54:07am

re: #286 Pawn of the Oppressor

My initial reaction was to say something that would probably get me banned, but since I had just read Kryptik’s comment, I’m just shaking my head.

And whatever shred of visibility BLM had is now flushed down the memory hole. “Divide and toxify” is a great strategy. It’s even greater if you do it for your opponents without them having to do more than cobble some bullshit together in a Fox editing room an hour before the show starts.

Those who rely solely on the conservative media bubble are not the people who need to unify. It’s the people who are progressives who need to disregard the conservative media propaganda, and dig a little deeper for the truth. If the credibility (I think you meant credibility here, right?) of an organization can be discarded because of the words/actions of people whose words and actions already have no credibility, why? If you know someone to be dishonest, why swallow their propaganda whole cloth?

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Great White Snark  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:54:17am

Having an angry moment. Very angry at this unfortunate necessity.
Muslim boy who was arrested for building a clock says his family was forced to leave the U.S. for safety. As heartening as it was to see Khazir Khan take Trump down a notch or 3, it’s simply too late for this family. To our profound loss.

Muslim boy who was arrested for building a clock says his family was forced to leave the U.S. for safety

Could it be THIS is why two Presidents in a row have been very careful about how they describe terrorism incidents? Seems as obvious as daylight to me.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:55:16am
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Belafon  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:56:33am

re: #289 Decatur Deb

You’re not really giving BLM much shrift in that statement. If they’re doing counterproductive things, loudly, in an election year, that definitely trips a flare. So I’m standing with my suspicion—one chance in four they were sourced or quickly co-opted by the party that wanted Sanders and HRC gone.

Assuming they are an honest spontaneous outburst of rage at outrageous injustice, then they have demonstrated the vulnerability of poorly-led, unaccountable action. To reach any kind of goal in any timeframe we have to think this stuff through and avoid re-learning things we knew in the 60s.

It looks like some people decided to create an acronym similar to BLM to sew confusion and people have been hoodwinked by it. Awesome.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 9:57:52am

re: #292 FormerDirtDart

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But a newer, and greater order, so great you’ll get tired of order.

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lawhawk  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:01:45am

re: #202 makeitstop

The storms last night reminded me of some of the storms I’ve seen when down in Florida, except it just kept going on for far longer. Really amazing to see.

And it all pales in significance to the flooding down in Louisiana. Just found out that a college buddy had to evacuate because of the flooding and may have lost his home.

Crazy. That’s just crazy.

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Split Ticket  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:01:51am

re: #292 FormerDirtDart

re: #294 Decatur Deb

I wonder how many people are saying this stuff. Half a dozen? /

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:04:51am

re: #296 Split Ticket

I wonder how many people are saying this stuff. Half a dozen? /

23. With Illuminati the number is always 23.

///

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:05:08am

re: #293 Belafon

It looks like some people decided to create an acronym similar to BLM to sew confusion and people have been hoodwinked by it. Awesome.

If you cannot define yourself or avoid defining yourself for tactical reasons, someone will define you. That’s the price of spontaneity, local particularism, and poor message discipline. By the time the groups protesting Ferguson figured it all out, it was too late. The organization drives the street, the street doesn’t drive an effective organization.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:06:19am

re: #296 Split Ticket

I wonder how many people are saying this stuff. Half a dozen? /

Not Mcnabb, though, she’s a loon-watcher.

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Great White Snark  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:06:51am

re: #295 lawhawk

Did you see the pic of Nessie there?

Southern humor. Love it.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:07:03am

re: #289 Decatur Deb

You’re not really giving BLM much shrift in that statement. If they’re doing counterproductive things, loudly, in an election year, that definitely trips a flare. So I’m standing with my suspicion—one chance in four they were sourced or quickly co-opted by the party that wanted Sanders and HRC gone.

You think they are counterproductive. I think the DNC’s platform has included the movement’s goals, and not let the Democratic primary focus solely on economic and foreign policy issues. I think personally, that wishing the movement was quieter, is kind of disconcerting. When your message is ‘stop shooting us for no reason’, how quiet or polite should you be?

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Split Ticket  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:08:14am

re: #299 Decatur Deb

I remember her for reporting what was going on in that bird sanctuary.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:11:07am

re: #298 Decatur Deb

Have you read this book, or have experience with decentralized organizations?

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TK-421  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:12:45am

This wealth porn makes Hustler look like the Sears catalog.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:14:19am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:14:26am

re: #301 Bass Reeves

You think they are counterproductive. I think the DNC’s platform has included the movement’s goals, and not let the Democratic primary focus solely on economic and foreign policy issues. I think personally, that wishing the movement was quieter, is kind of disconcerting. When your message is ‘stop shooting us for no reason’, how quiet or polite should you be?

It’s been a long time since the movement’s goals weren’t boilerplate Democratic goals. I haven’t seen any recent decrease in the rate of police shootings. Is the future of black kids and black parents going to improve under HRCs Department of Justice or Trump’s Attorney General?

(Really trying to give Eric Holder some grace for the “long, slow, thorough, effective” approach. People around me are somewhat endangered by the DoJ pace in “reviewing” our city and county police forces.)

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Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:14:35am

re: #304 TK-421

This wealth porn makes Hustler look like the Sears catalog.

[Embedded content]

I was reading about it last night. He had a decorator from Italy do it.

In the early 80’s.

Dude’s to cheap to update. So Saddam, must love.

housebeautiful.com

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Split Ticket  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:14:47am

re: #304 TK-421

Whose overblown, garish bathroom is that?

That Trump Person?

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gwangung  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:17:03am

re: #301 Bass Reeves

You think they are counterproductive. I think the DNC’s platform has included the movement’s goals, and not let the Democratic primary focus solely on economic and foreign policy issues. I think personally, that wishing the movement was quieter, is kind of disconcerting. When your message is ‘stop shooting us for no reason’, how quiet or polite should you be?

This seems reminiscent of respectability politics.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:17:48am

re: #303 Bass Reeves

Have you read this book, or have experience with decentralized organizations?

Nope, but I watch Threeper/Militia 4th generation warfare BS carefully. I suspect there will be some similarities in the book.

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:19:28am

re: #298 Decatur Deb

If you cannot define yourself or avoid defining yourself for tactical reasons, someone will define you. That’s the price of spontaneity, local particularism, and poor message discipline. By the time the groups protesting Ferguson figured it all out, it was too late. The organization drives the street, the street doesn’t drive an effective organization.

Like whites have been doing of black movements for forever. It think some of the fault falls on the people who fall for these tricks.

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Split Ticket  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:21:46am

I found the perfect toilet for that Trump person.
amazon.com

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Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:22:09am
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TK-421  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:22:54am

re: #308 Split Ticket

Trump.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:23:20am

Unhinged.

Day ending in y

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Split Ticket  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:24:10am

re: #313 Stanley Sea

I do not want Adam’s #3 to happen. I would dearly love for that Trump person to put a cork in it but I do not think that is going happen.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:24:11am

re: #311 Belafon

Like whites have been doing of black movements for forever. It think some of the fault falls on the people who fall for these tricks.

Hell, they are eager to hear their prejudices confirmed by the Influence Blondes on Fox.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:28:59am

2013

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Lidane  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:29:12am
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:29:16am

re: #313 Stanley Sea

How is Trump not a fascist?

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:29:43am

re: #272 Bass Reeves

I feel like I’m treading water again and I promised to stop, but one more time. Nobody on the BLM’s part seems to object, which was exactly the argument I’ve made, an no dismissing it with “they don’t have to” doesn’t work; BLM is a decentralized movement, there are no official representatives, Rachel G. is as much a representative as anybody, so is the Black Lives Matter Network (which you have ignored again), so are the dozens of the other black activist groups which are part of MLB. MLB is a part of the BLM. Period.

—-

Yes, USSR took what it could from Germany in the aftermath, as was its right. *Me* demanding anything from Germany would be absurd.

And as I have written, those who lived under Jim Crow should receive compensation.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:31:03am

re: #320 Patricia Kayden

How is Trump not a fascist?

He’s handing the media truthful, damning material. Every single day.

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retired cynic  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:31:15am

re: #257 Eclectic Cyborg

What a horrid photo of five beautiful young women. Passive-aggressive somewhere!

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:31:32am

re: #320 Patricia Kayden

How is Trump not a fascist?

Shitty tailor.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:33:41am

re: #280 Bass Reeves

Same website writes glowingly about MLB on its facebook page (linked to from the frontpage):

Facebook Post

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:34:54am

re: #325 Nyet

Same website writes glowingly about MLB on its facebook page (linked to from the frontpage):

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I’m so old I remember when Snick wasn’t fucked up.

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TK-421  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:36:03am

re: #319 Lidane

SAD!

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retired cynic  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:36:06am

re: #275 sagehen

Still too high. More work to do.

He’s doing it. Just don’t interrupt him.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:38:34am

re: #321 Nyet

theroot.com

That is an article that discusses the creation of the platform. The BLM Network participated in the creation of the platform, it did not ‘lead’ the creation of the platform. It was a member state, not the whole thing. MBL is a conglomeration of organizations organized around BLM the *movement*, not led by BLM Network, the *organization*.

re: #325 Nyet

Holy fuck read the first sentence again. SNCC congratulates TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES.

BLM Network coined the phrase BLM which encapsulates a movement BLM that BLM Network is a part of. MBL is a subset of BLM the movement which includes groups that share some, but not all, of the same goals.

**edit** and seriously, it’s a statement from the SNCC, not from BLM. C’mon man..

**second edit** I don’t know who Rachel G. is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:40:54am

re: #254 nines09

The Amish have about 500 sects, if I am to believe what one told me, and are not all of them are “Orthodox” or Old Order. They have Bishops who decide what is and is not allowed. I’ve had many a conversation with many Amish and they are not all of the same cloth. One ‘“church” will allow what another will not. They are like any other “people” as in problems and greed and cheating. They are not above the problems of the flesh.

I appreciate their core philosophy: that our purpose in life is not to amass power, wealth or prestige, but to love and care for each other. Anything that distracts us from that purpose is unnecessary, and should be rejected.

And I certainly do not see how that philosophy could find anything in common with Donald Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:43:39am

re: #313 Stanley Sea

It is not “freedom of the press” when newspapers and others are allowed to say and write whatever they want even if it is completely false!

We need a Ministry of Truth to determine who is lying…

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Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:48:17am

He’s setting up the blame for when the votes are tallied & reported by the press.

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:48:24am

I bet, that if the BLM umbrella group would just get all of the groups that operate under their name to say exactly the same message, Fox news viewers would suddenly agree with everything they’re saying.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:48:55am

re: #325 Nyet

Retweeted by their twitter:

At the link:

SNCC Legacy Project Endorses the Movement for Black Lives Policy Platform

A group of civil rights era activists have passed the torch to a younger generation, so to speak.

One week after the Movement for Black Lives released a wide-ranging, and long-awaited, policy platform, the activists’ vision for change has also earned an endorsement from delegates of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, a famed student organizing group that formed in the 1960s.

In a letter signed by more than 67 former SNCC members, the activists, under the umbrella of the SNCC Legacy Project, wrote that “we of yesterday’s SNCC say to today’s #BlackLivesMatter, ‘Ya’ll take it from here!’”

BLM activists don’t differentiate between BLM and MLB.

The link in the article goes back to blm com:

blacklivesmatter.com

“Y’all Take it From Here:” Delegates from the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee Champion the Movement for Black Lives Lives

The official twitter of blm com also retweeted:

BLMN supports MLB.

I don’t understand the denial. But meh.

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Lidane  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:49:17am
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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:49:43am

re: #329 Bass Reeves

Still in denial, I see. Whatever.

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ObserverArt  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:49:52am

re: #289 Decatur Deb

You’re not really giving BLM much shrift in that statement. If they’re doing counterproductive things, loudly, in an election year, that definitely trips a flare. So I’m standing with my suspicion—one chance in four they were sourced or quickly co-opted by the party that wanted Sanders and HRC gone.

Assuming they are an honest spontaneous outburst of rage at outrageous injustice, then they have demonstrated the vulnerability of poorly-led, unaccountable action. To reach any kind of goal in any timeframe we have to think this stuff through and avoid re-learning things we knew in the 60s.

Deb, part of the problem may be some in the BLM movement may not want to understand the 60s because for a lot of them the 60s changed nothing as far as they can tell.

For those of us that lived in the 60s we saw what was been labeled as major changes. And I use the word label for a reason. It is stuck over an object to say there is something in the package. Often the label is very misleading.

For those living today, when you see your people getting treated the way they are being treated it may be seen as no real change was made…just movement of game pieces on a board that you still do not get to play. And then the people in charge of the game put a label on it saying “Everyone Can Play.”

Meanwhile, years later a new game has been developed and they do not get to play in that one, and if they try they run into a new set of rules violations that kicks them out of the ‘real’ game.

And as I 60+ year old white guy that saw the changes in the 60s I can sure understand the frustrations because they almost all still exist…now with different labels.

I hope you get my drift.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:53:19am

re: #75 Nyet

Ames, Levine and Matt Taibbi - they were quite the crew during their “Exiled” days in Russia…

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:54:21am

SNCC hasn’t called itself the Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee since 1967. It changed its ‘N’ to “National” to recognize its acceptance of violent action.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:57:24am

Oh, and since the TLA-soup is getting confusing: a) MLB is a part of BLM, b) it is not the whole of BLM nor is it wholly about BLM in its initial sense, c) something MLB says does not necessarily represent the whole of BLM which is obviously not a monolith but rather a loose decentralized movt; d) despite (c), MLB is significant enough (e.g. endorsed by the BLM Network and consisting of dozens of black activist orgs), so that if it fucks up as significantly as it did, we should see the BLM public faces take a stand. It’s not some marginal group that can be dismissed as such. It’s not so much that MLB automatically represents BLM (it doesn’t), is that it’s the BLM people that matter allow it to represent them.

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ObserverArt  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:57:45am

re: #295 lawhawk

The storms last night reminded me of some of the storms I’ve seen when down in Florida, except it just kept going on for far longer. Really amazing to see.

And it all pales in significance to the flooding down in Louisiana. Just found out that a college buddy had to evacuate because of the flooding and may have lost his home.

Crazy. That’s just crazy.

I heard a report claiming parts of Louisiana saw 24 inches of rain in 24 hours.

That is crazy. I don’t think I have ever heard of anything like that.

Should it happen in Kentucky people may have had to use Ken Ham’s boat.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:58:28am

re: #341 ObserverArt

I heard a report claiming parts of Louisiana saw 24 inches of rain in 24 hours.

That is crazy. I don’t think I have ever heard of anything like that.

Should it happen in Kentucky people may have had to use Ken Ham’s boat.

That boat won’t float.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 10:58:39am

re: #337 ObserverArt

Deb, part of the problem may be some in the BLM movement may not want to understand the 60s because for a lot of them the 60s changed nothing as far as they can tell.

For those of us that lived in the 60s we saw what was been labeled as major changes. And I use the word label for a reason. It is stuck over an object to say there is something in the package. Often the label is very misleading.

For those living today, when you see your people getting treated the way they are being treated it may be seen as no real change was made…just movement of game pieces on a board that you still do not get to play. And then the people in charge of the game put a label on it saying “Everyone Can Play.”

Meanwhile, years later a new game has been developed and they do not get to play in that one, and if they try they run into a new set of rules violations that kicks them out of the ‘real’ game.

And as I 60+ year old white guy that saw the changes in the 60s I can sure understand the frustrations because they almost all still exist…now with different labels.

I hope you get my drift.

Nope. This is not the 60s re-labelled, even here in Alabama. It really pisses off older blacks, who risked it all, to hear that. Blow a few more elections, though, and we can go back to then.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:03:35am

re: #340 Nyet

Okay. You don’t like MLB, BLM, etc. So what?
Hopefully BLM is doing some good to get the message out there that the police need to be held accountable when they abuse their authority just because the victim is Black.

I don’t support everything that BLM has done but I support their overall aim which is to draw attention to the mistreatment of Blacks by the police, which too often goes unpunished.

I share David Pakman’s concerns that BLM is not being consistent when it decries Israel’s treatment of Palestinians but closes its eyes to transgressions committed by other countries.

Black Lives Matter Calls Israel “Genocide,” “Apartheid,” Endorses BDS Movement

However, my disagreement with BLM on one issue doesn’t invalidate its goals, in my opinion.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:04:56am

re: #320 Patricia Kayden

How is Trump not a fascist?

Do you see a fascist uniform? I don’t. Therefore he is not a fascist, libtard!

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Interesting Times  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:06:58am

I can’t add must to the discussion here on BLM because my knowledge of the movement and all its various intrigues/intricacies is limited…but I did want to bring up this:

Chicago prosecutor loses her fight with Black Lives Matter

While most of the focus of Tuesday night’s primaries was on the battle for the White House, something extraordinary occurred in two local elections. Both Chicago’s Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez and Timothy McGinty, the Cuyahoga Prosecuting Attorney in Ohio, lost their bids for re-election.
…
“Black youth kicked Anita Alvarez out of office,” the Chicago activist group Assata’s Daughters wrote in a triumphant statement last night. “Just a month ago, Anita Alvarez was winning in the polls. Communities who refuse to be killed and jailed and abused without any chance at justice refused to allow that to happen. “We did this for Laquan.”
…
A coalition of activists - members of Black Youth Project 100, Assata’s Daughters and Black Lives Matter Chicago - did not endorse Alvarez’s challenger, Kim Foxx. Instead they joined forces to oppose Alvarez.

Their protest and canvassing efforts culminated in the hashtag campaign #ByeAnita, words which could be seen fluttering on a huge banner trailing behind an airplane flying over downtown Chicago on election day. Alvarez started the day with a lead in the polls, but without key endorsements from former allies and the local media.

In discussions with despondent Berniacs I know, I often bring up the above incident as an example of working within the system to effect the change you want. If more progressive groups could do this, the midterms wouldn’t be such a constant disaster zone.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:09:35am

re: #346 Interesting Times

Communities who refuse to be killed and jailed and abused without any chance at justice refused to allow that to happen.

This captures what BLM is about, in my mind. That’s why despite its faults, I support its aims. The Black community needs a group at the forefront of the police brutality issue and right now that group happens to be BLM. Doesn’t mean that it is a perfect organization which should not be subjected to criticism though.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:10:17am

re: #344 Patricia Kayden

Okay. You don’t like MLB, BLM, etc. So what?
Hopefully BLM is doing some good to get the message out there that the police need to be held accountable when they abuse their authority just because the victim is Black.

I don’t support everything that BLM has done but I support their overall aim which is to draw attention to the mistreatment of Blacks by the police, which too often goes unpunished.

I share David Pakman’s concerns that BLM is not being consistent when it decries Israel’s treatment of Palestinians but closes its eyes to transgressions committed by other countries.

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However, my disagreement with BLM on one issue doesn’t invalidate its goals, in my opinion.

If you get a comprehensive list of the organizations BLM (however defined) allies with, things get weird. Some of them are very, very good. Some of the ones on my list are bad people. It’s a consequence of not having the structure to focus and limit the message. That’s not trivial, it opens them to anyone who wants to make a disingenuous attack.

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:13:04am

re: #344 Patricia Kayden

I share David Pakman’s concerns that BLM is not being consistent when it decries Israel’s treatment of Palestinians but closes its eyes to transgressions committed by other countries.

How big would the banner have to be? I think Israel’s a big target because the US gives it a lot of money, something like half of our foreign military aid. But I would suggest being suspect of any cry of “if they’re not supporting every oppressed group, then they’re not valid for supporting one.” That’s just a way to dismiss a group without addressing it’s concerns.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:14:27am

re: #346 Interesting Times

But you do have to start from the bottom. Many Bernouts don’t realize this.

re: #344 Patricia Kayden

I think calling what is happening to the Palestinians Genocide is over the top.

However, Israel is doing troubling behaviour, especially in regards to evictions and water rights, and Israel is quickly becoming a millstone around the US in regards to diplomacy as a result, because the US in no longer trusted as a neutral mediator, with the perception being that we have our thumbs on the scale in favour of Israel. Not to mention the billions of dollars in support, and no diplomatic action in regards to either the evictions or water rights.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:16:36am

re: #336 Nyet

Not in denial, I get what your saying. It’s just missing over and over again that the movement is not monolithic. The single point of reference for the BLM movement is on domestic police accountability. Asking any specific group to respond to the goals of another group is weird to me. It’s like asking a subreddit admin to condemn the policies of twitter. Just because both groups are for net neutrality doesn’t mean one has control over the other. And MBL is a coalition, so…yeah people include stuff you don’t want. The overall goal: domestic police accountability.

re: #343 Decatur Deb

By this, you seem to be saying ‘make enough white people uncomfortable with the amount of effort they have to put in to help black people’ and you’ll blow an election. Is that what you’re tiptoeing around? Black people have been voting so much that conservatives had to gut the VRA to slow it down. I mean, if we were talking midterms, I’m right there for you, but there is no lack of black voter enthusiasm this year.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:19:14am

re: #304 TK-421

This wealth porn makes Hustler look like the Sears catalog.

[Embedded content]

St Louis Bordello Gothic.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:20:01am

re: #352 Blind Frog Belly White

St Louis Bordello Gothic.

Interior design by The House Of Porn.

*headdesk*

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ObserverArt  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:21:30am

I’m sort of late to this BLM and MBL discussion and may have missed some points, and I admit the whole entrance of the MBL into existence is not something I am fully aware of.

With that in mind something very simple about the new group has just hit me.

It is missing a word: matter.

And maybe the new name is coming from an early co-opting. That would be all the groups that were offended by that very word and ran out and put down BLM by saying things like “All lives matter” and “Blue (police) lives matter” and started their own movements, many as a mockery.

The new group’s label gets around that and puts the name of a distinct group that can’t be dismissed so easily as white folk saying…”hey wait a minute, we matter too.”

By the way I always saw that tactic as putting down the Black group by again lifting the common bigot back up saying “yeah we matter…maybe we matter even more!”

Just a thought for this crazy world.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:24:13am

re: #321 Nyet

Yes, USSR took what it could from Germany in the aftermath, as was its right. *Me* demanding anything from Germany would be absurd.

And as I have written, those who lived under Jim Crow should receive compensation.

I don’t want you to think I didn’t read this part. Again, want to point out that my *parents* were alive under Jim Crow. And racial discrimination obviously hasn’t gone away just because Jim Crow is literally illegal. So, slavery compensation no, Jim Crow compensation, yes? I’m cool with that. I refer back to my policy being just a slightly more aggressive affirmative action.

**edit** in case it’s not clear, my parents are still alive and healthy.

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Great White Snark  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:26:38am

re: #354 ObserverArt
Edited
BLM, a bit like Occupy, represents the necessity that is far larger than the organization. The powers that be easily exploit the real or perceived flaws in those organization as flaws in the bigger argument. Reach a millimeter too far out for support and wham. Fail to keep your brand away from fiery radicals and it’s over all too soon. Perfection as the crafted enemy of the good.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:28:15am

re: #351 Bass Reeves

Not in denial, I get what your saying. It’s just missing over and over again that the movement is not monolithic. The single point of reference for the BLM movement is on domestic police accountability. Asking any specific group to respond to the goals of another group is weird to me. It’s like asking a subreddit admin to condemn the policies of twitter. Just because both groups are for net neutrality doesn’t mean one has control over the other. And MBL is a coalition, so…yeah people include stuff you don’t want. The overall goal: domestic police accountability.

By this, you seem to be saying ‘make enough white people uncomfortable with the amount of effort they have to put in to help black people’ and you’ll blow an election. Is that what you’re tiptoeing around? Black people have been voting so much that conservatives had to gut the VRA to slow it down. I mean, if we were talking midterms, I’m right there for you, but there is no lack of black voter enthusiasm this year.

No tiptoeing to be done. I want Trump’s racist base to be disheartened enough to stay home. And I want the convince-able middle to be able to set aside any residual bias and bother to vote for HRC. We risk overstating the importance of just BLM as an
issue, but this will likely be an election that hangs on 2-3 percent.

Alabama blacks overvoted for Obama by 1 percent. Here’s hoping they don’t fall back to pre-2008 levels. Our Voter ID law has passed USSC muster, and Florida’s, while having legal challenges, is even more restrictive.

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Great White Snark  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:29:46am

re: #353 Dr Lizardo

Interior design by The House Of Porn.

*headdesk*

That gold gilding is crying out for removal and refining. One ounce was heard to say Trump talked it out of a jewelry career and promised it a great life and then just plastered it up in the bathroom. Sad.

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ObserverArt  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:32:24am

re: #343 Decatur Deb

Nope. This is not the 60s re-labelled, even here in Alabama. It really pisses off older blacks, who risked it all, to hear that. Blow a few more elections, though, and we can go back to then.

When have younger people ever really paid attention to older folks? It is a constant human thing.

And when young Blacks see older Blacks on police forces many times partaking in the problems or hear an older Black saying “you are going to mess up what we have done” from a position of perceived comfort and thinking them as sell-outs, then you have problems just the same as rich white kids becoming yippies or SDS in the 60s.

I understand what you are saying, I just caution taking a hard stance or telling them to settle down may not work, just like those stances never worked in the past. And, there is always a big difference from those in homes compared to those on the streets getting messed with.

My 2 cents.

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makeitstop  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:35:55am

re: #307 Stanley Sea

I was reading about it last night. He had a decorator from Italy do it.

In the early 80’s.

Dude’s to cheap to update. So Saddam, must love.

housebeautiful.com

I look at those photos and can’t help thinking he went with that design thinking his mother would approve.

Dude’s got so many issues, I wouldn’t be shocked if this was just another one on the list.

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:36:47am

re: #358 Great White Snark

That gold gilding is crying out for removal and refining. One ounce was heard to say Trump talked it out of a jewelry career and promised it a great life and then just plastered it up in the bathroom. Sad.

It’s a bit like being the king’s ass wiper.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:38:17am

re: #359 ObserverArt

Heh. There is still an SDS (sort of):

Seniors for a Democratic Society
“A decent provision for the poor is the true test of civilization.” —Samuel Johnson

seniorsforademocraticsociety.wordpress.com

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:38:26am

re: #357 Decatur Deb

No tiptoeing to be done. I want Trump’s racist base to be disheartened enough to stay home. And I want the convince-able middle to be able to set aside any residual bias and bother to vote for HRC. We risk overstating the importance of just BLM as an
issue, but this will likely be an election that hangs on 2-3 percent.

BLM isn’t gotdamned election issue. It’s an issue I deal with when I get in my fucking car to drive to work. BLM knows that getting people elected to Congress and the Presidency will help, but there is a long way from the Department of Justice to the racist asshole tapping on my window. BLM movement understands the longer game. If black people have to sit down and be quiet so semi-racist white people will vote for equality, why the fuck would we expect any change?

(*profanity added and deleted and re-added for emphasis, because fuck.)

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:42:59am

re: #363 Bass Reeves

BLM isn’t gotdamned election issue. It’s an issue I deal with when I get in my fucking car to drive to work. BLM knows that getting people elected to Congress and the Presidency will help, but there is a long way from the Department of Justice to the racist asshole tapping on my window. BLM movement understands the longer game. If black people have to sit down and be quiet so semi-racist white people will vote for equality, why the fuck would we expect any change?

(*profanity added and deleted and re-added for emphasis, because fuck.)

Can you outline the path from BLM action to a reduced number of racists tapping on your window? DoJ action is the only avenue that is going to work around here.

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:44:54am

re: #357 Decatur Deb

No tiptoeing to be done. I want Trump’s racist base to be disheartened enough to stay home. And I want the convince-able middle to be able to set aside any residual bias and bother to vote for HRC. We risk overstating the importance of just BLM as an
issue, but this will likely be an election that hangs on 2-3 percent.

Alabama blacks overvoted for Obama by 1 percent. Here’s hoping they don’t fall back to pre-2008 levels. Our Voter ID law has passed USSC muster, and Florida’s, while having legal challenges, is even more restrictive.

Blacks are the only group that consistently turn out, even in midterm elections. We can pay attention to them and win elections. Democrats aren’t going to suddenly win whites because we push issues blacks face to “after the next election.” We’re going to win with the people we pay attention to.

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ObserverArt  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:46:03am

re: #356 Great White Snark

Edited
BLM, a bit like Occupy, represents the necessity that is far larger than the organization. The powers that be easily exploit the real or perceived flaws in those organization as flaws in the bigger argument. Reach a millimeter too far out for support and wham. Fail to keep your brand away from fiery radicals and it’s over all too soon. Perfection as the crafted enemy of the good.

Completely understand. I was just making a point there may be a reason behind the name. Names are made of words.

I have a background in marketing which deals with words and what they can mean. Part of that is looking not only at the positive in a word, but the negative. As in connotations and perceptions.

Just like many times people taking photos look so much at the object (positive) they are capturing they completely forget the object exists in a space (the negative) and for good total composition all of it needs to be taken as a whole. Sometimes the background and surrounding area can be as powerful, or more to the object than the object itself. (2-Dimensional design was one course of study at art college that I really got into)

Quiz. What is the negative about the organization listed as Occupy Wall Street (or what ever the last part became in different areas)?

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:46:18am

The BLM movement really didn’t get into the mainstream until Bernie introduced at his campaign rally. Well, he didn’t really introduce them.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:49:01am

re: #365 Belafon

Blacks are the only group that consistently turn out, even in midterm elections. We can pay attention to them and win elections. Democrats aren’t going to suddenly win whites because we push issues blacks face to “after the next election.” We’re going to win with the people we pay attention to.

Winning the next election, and the next, and the next is how we address black issues. Name another way.

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:49:25am

re: #367 Emptor scriptor Remorse

The BLM movement really didn’t get into the mainstream until Bernie introduced at his campaign rally. Well, he didn’t really introduce them.

Yeah, it wasn’t him. Blacks are a major coalition in the Democratic party. They helped win in 2008 and 2012. Some blacks decided it was about time that the party they’re supporting discuss their issues, and that the 2016 election was the election to solidify their influence, and rightly so.

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Belafon  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:51:49am

re: #368 Decatur Deb

Winning the next election, and the next, and the next is how we address black issues. Name another way.

Tell me how you’re going to win an election without blacks and other minorities. More importantly, tell me how you’re going to keep the Democratic party from chasing conservative white votes if you don’t win blacks. This is not about BLM taking over. This is about all of the other groups getting time at the table equal to their vote. The thing about 2008 and 2012 is that Democrats can win by talking to all groups.

371
Great White Snark  Aug 14, 2016 • 11:58:58am

re: #366 ObserverArt

I never posted the end of Occupy LA. LWC and I shot this footage and sat down and just could not bring ourselves to publish.

372
Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:02:04pm

re: #370 Belafon

Tell me how you’re going to win an election without blacks and other minorities. More importantly, tell me how you’re going to keep the Democratic party from chasing conservative white votes if you don’t win blacks. This is not about BLM taking over. This is about all of the other groups getting time at the table equal to their vote. The thing about 2008 and 2012 is that Democrats can win by talking to all groups.

Who is talking about abandoning the FDR coalition? I’m calling for greater attention to maintaining unity and expanding the number of voting minorities.

373
ObserverArt  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:04:16pm

re: #368 Decatur Deb

Winning the next election, and the next, and the next is how we address black issues. Name another way.

I think everyone knows that. Again a caution. As a White male it would be easy for me to say the same.

But as a White man with Black friends that are in their 50s or even older and still getting stopped and questioned*, as a guy that understands it is hard to think about elections when you have to worry about simply going down a street at night, elections might not matter as much.

Yes it is backward and convoluted, but then stresses can do that.

Much of it comes from who is delivering the message. One thing I think American needs right now is someone who can speak for the Black lives. In a way another MLK.

Sure we have John Lewis and the Jacksons and Sharptons…but I would bet you many younger members of movements like BLM do not see them as valid. And I can understand why.

Summation: why the hell would we even be talking about all of this if the past actually changed anything? I think the younger Black community see it that way.

* My great long time friend the dog trainer has been stopped two times in Columbus area upscale communities and asked what he is doing there. And he is in a readily identifiable bright orange safety vest that clearly announces he is a dog trainer…out working a dog. I don’t think that would be the case if his skin color was different. He is so far from threatening looking too. It just sad.

He votes too. But he is still frustrated by it all.

374
Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:06:17pm

re: #368 Decatur Deb

No. Winning the election doesn’t address the issues. Addressing the issues after winning the election addresses the issue. Holding the politicians accountable by letting them know you will withdraw your support/vote is how you make sure the issue addressed.

375
Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:10:14pm

re: #374 Bass Reeves

No. Winning the election doesn’t address the issues. Addressing the issues after winning the election addresses the issue. Holding the politicians accountable by letting them know you will withdraw your support/vote is how you make sure the issue addressed.

Trump. One Attorney General
Trump. Four Supreme Court Justices.

Do the math.

376
Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:12:43pm

re: #375 Decatur Deb

I…yeah no shit. So you think BLM can, like….possibly politely request their issues get addressed after the election year if it doesn’t so much piss off racist white people?

You realize Bernie ran on that and lost, right?

**btw wanna take this to the next thread?**

377
Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:14:08pm

re: #351 Bass Reeves

Come on, BR, I’ve been careful enough with words and pointed out that BLM is a decentralized movement (=not a monolith) several times in this thread alone, and many other times elsewhere. If I’m missing anything, it’s anything but that point.

Like with other decentralized movements like OWS and Anon there is no entity that decides who is a part of the movement and who is not. That means there will be good actors and bad ones. There is a central set of principles and there is an allegiance to this set as well as acting for these principles in some form. I don’t see how MLB does not fulfill the BLM principles. Yes, they go farther than police brutality, but Deray, for example, is also not a one-note activist, is he not a part of BLM because he also had other concerns to boot?

But even if one understands BLM in a stricter sense as activists around the site blacklivesmatter.com - as wiki seems to understand it - then yeah MLB is a separate org. But the one whose platform has been endorsed by the BLM site explicitly several times, as I have amply demonstrated above. So the problem doesn’t go anywhere even on the most lax assumptions
Though the people cited in the site’s articles and tweeted by the team have a hard time differentiating between BLM and MLB.

378
The Vicious Babushka  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:18:29pm

re: #360 makeitstop

I look at those photos and can’t help thinking he went with that design thinking his mother would approve.

Dude’s got so many issues, I wouldn’t be shocked if this was just another one on the list.

ART APPRECIATION
The penthouse is packed with art, as typified in Melania’s office. Note the sculpture in front of the window.

Click to Reveal
379
Decatur Deb  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:23:26pm

re: #376 Bass Reeves

I…yeah no shit. So you think BLM can, like….possibly politely request their issues get addressed after the election year if it doesn’t so much piss off racist white people?

You realize Bernie ran on that and lost, right?

**btw wanna take this to the next thread?**

The issue is “Don’t shoot innocent unarmed people”. To get there, besides making a revolution in the hearts of the majority of Americans, we need to address the selection, training, and retention of cops. The first part is the realm of the teachers and preachers. The second only comes when we control the lawmakers and law interpreters. Expressing outrage is fine, but I want to see budgets, laws, and federal LE really make this happen.

There is no end of talking tactics, but I want real tasks for the next 90 days.

Nah. Gotta get off for a while anyway.

380
Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:29:27pm

As for the point about not agreeing with everything - true, if we’re talking about stuff that is negotiable. What that stuff is is also significant.

381
Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 12:41:57pm

re: #377 Nyet

Deray is a good example of what I’ve been trying to say actually. Deray speaks for Deray and his approval or disapproval of any other group would probably mean absolutely nothing to them.

re: #380 Nyet

I understand and agree with that point. I would venture a guess that for most of the organizations in MBL, Israel isn’t actually point of attention, much less contention. I see the parallels, but the actual goals of the BLM network don’t include foreign policy.

I’d rather not keep this up in the dead thread though, so I’m going to go play video games or something.

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Nyet  Aug 14, 2016 • 1:56:55pm

re: #381 Bass Reeves

Dead-threading is a deadly sin, but so is dragging tedious stuff to fresh threads, so I apologize to everyone in advance but I’ma do some dead-threading. What happened here stays here ;)

—-

Here is the thing, as much as one wants to think of a decentralized group as a bunch of sub-groups having a common aim but zero responsibility for each other, this works only up to a certain point. That point can be reached e.g. when one of the larger groups goes rogue. Or when the media reports show a significant sub-group apparently going rogue. As much as other groups may be independent, they should address the rogue group’s claims and/or distance themselves and/or point out the media’s mistake, if there is any. Otherwise silence can be rightfully interpreted as consent. What can be simply dismissed with fringe groups now becomes an actual problem.

What happened in this case?
Most relevant large outlets said that this was a BLM platform. Even the BLM platform.

washingtonpost.com
washingtonpost.com
Wesley Lowery, who’s no hack on these matters:
“…protesters with the Movement for Black Lives — often referred to as the Black Lives Matter protest movement…”
washingtonpost.com
nytimes.com
csmonitor.com
latimes.com
theatlantic.com
news.vice.com

Moreover we know that the participant orgs identify themselves as a part of BLM. From the last link:

“There is a narrative that the Black Lives Matter movement is about protest and anger and and not much else,” said Scott Roberts from ColorOfChange, who helped develop the platform. “I think from early on, the movement has been about the systemic issues facing black communities.”

[Side note: note how the focus is now wider, not simply police abuse.] Plus the citation from one of the platform’s authors cited above, plus BLMN’s participation and endorsement.

Now, one option is that those MLB/BLMN/CofC etc. people are lying/delusional and the usually respected outlets are being sloppy, all as one. And they are not actually a part of BLM. But giving the breadth of the coverage and the caliber of the media involved, it is simply imperative for the True BLM People to stand up and say: the media is wrong, this is not BLM, this does not represent us. We haven’t seen this happening, and there is no evidence to suggest lies and misrepresentations (beyond some usual lazy media sloppiness that does not however affect the core reporting), so this assumption seems incorrect.

The other option is that MLB et al. are a part of the BLM (this seems like a no-brainer). One could say then, OK, but the rest of the BLM is not responsible for them. But, as per above, this is no longer true. Given the coverage, the Important BLM People who disagree with the platform have to stand up and say so. Because in this case silence is consent.

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ipsos  Aug 14, 2016 • 4:05:54pm

re: #245 Sherlock Hound

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Bass Reeves  Aug 14, 2016 • 6:29:23pm

re: #382 Nyet

“The Movement for Black Lives, an umbrella group that includes members of Black Lives Matter, released the platform. It developed out of a Movement for Black Lives conference that more than 2,000 black activists attended in at Cleveland State University a year ago. “

“”While our movement envisions a bright future where everyone is treated with dignity and respect, Drumpf is proposing a new, dark age where police have carte blanche authority to terrorize our communities,” said Alicia Garza, one of the co-founders of #BlackLivesMatter, the activist network that shares a name with the broad protest movement, in a statement Thursday night.”

Therein lies our particular…discord. The broad protest movement is broad, and does not have a spokesperson. The activist network is not actually responsible for the other groups who are a part of that movement. King was not responsible for Malcom. The sloppy reporting of people who don’t understand what is going on doesn’t actually change this. The wishes and demands of people outside of the movement who demand that the movement conform to their acceptable standards of protest does not change this. I got nothin else on this.

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Sherlock Hound  Aug 15, 2016 • 1:42:11pm

re: #383 ipsos

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