A History Lesson From Bruce Hornsby & the Noisemakers: “The Black Rats of London”

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Bruce Hornsby & The Noisemakers performing “Black Rats Of London” on September 28, 2016 in Portland, OR. Enjoy downloads from other live shows at http://brucehornsbylive.com/ and view upcoming tour dates at http://www.brucehornsby.com/tour

In our beautiful pursuit of manifest destiny
We give ourselves great credit, we thank the Good Lord so earnestly
But something’s been omitted by the writers of history
Now stand up all unsung heroes who made this world for you and me

Night crawlers cleared the forests of seedlings, nuts and leaves
And everything everywhere dried up and the natives got the dry heaves
Mosquitoes brought malaria and bees brought their hives
And the Indians got less scarier with yellow skin and eyes

Hoorah, hooray, the black rats of London
They crossed the sea for you and me
Let’s raise a glass so thankfully

Hail, hail, hooray, the black rats of London
Made the long treacherous passage to
Spread their natural juices, a gift to you, a gift to you

Parasites decimated the red army of Cornwallis and his flock
Standing weakly on Yorktown battlefield with measles and small pox
Horses, hogs, chickens and dogs and John Rolfe’s prized worms
Divine intervention, bacterial strains from imported English dirt

Hoorah, hooray, the black rats of London
They crossed the sea for you and me
Let’s raise a glass so thankfully

Hail, hail, hooray, the black rats of London
Made the long treacherous passage to
Spread their natural juices, a gift to you

Natural juices, yes a gift to you
Hoorah, hooray, hoorah, hooray
Hail, hail, hooray, hoorah, hooray, ray, ray, ray

Hoorah, hooray, the black rats of London
They crossed the sea for you and me
Let’s raise a glass so thankfully

Hail, hail, hooray, the black rats of London
They made the long treacherous passage to
Spread their natural juices, a gift to you

The black rats of London
They crossed the sea for you and me
Let’s raise a glass so thankfully

Hail, hooray, the black rats of London
Made the long treacherous passage to
Spread their natural juices, a gift to you, yes a gift to you

Pat yourself on the back, you did a great job
And the black rats of London made such a glorious, vicious mob
Sorry Renee it’s just not true, parameciums have feelings too

Where were the black rats when we needed them the most?
There were slave owners to infect
And the Joe Mengeles of the American West

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154 comments
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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2017 • 4:49:23pm
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thedopefishlives  May 20, 2017 • 4:49:56pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Maybe if he wasn’t such a colossal cock-up, the media coverage wouldn’t be so negative.

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2017 • 4:51:32pm
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Le Coquí Résistance  May 20, 2017 • 4:54:41pm

re: #2 thedopefishlives

Maybe if he wasn’t such a colossal cock-up, the media coverage wouldn’t be so negative.

I think that the coverage is not negative enough. Any half competent twit would have been able to weather all these scandals.

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thedopefishlives  May 20, 2017 • 4:59:47pm

re: #4 Le Coquí Résistance

I think that the coverage is not negative enough. Any half competent twit would have been able to weather all these scandals.

And there’s the problem. Twit, yes. Half competent, not even close.

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Jay C  May 20, 2017 • 5:01:01pm

A previous thread brought out the suggestion that one of those removed Confederate statues ought to be replaced by one of Union Gen. George H. Thomas (“The Rock of Chickamauga”), a career soldier from Virginia who stuck with the US (and was disowned by his family for it) - and made quite a name for himself in the Civil War. While looking up his CV, I came across this quote which seemed amazingly timely, even 150 years on.

[T]he greatest efforts made by the defeated insurgents since the close of the war have been to promulgate the idea that the cause of liberty, justice, humanity, equality, and all the calendar of the virtues of freedom, suffered violence and wrong when the effort for southern independence failed. This is, of course, intended as a species of political cant, whereby the crime of treason might be covered with a counterfeit varnish of patriotism, so that the precipitators of the rebellion might go down in history hand in hand with the defenders of the government, thus wiping out with their own hands their own stains; a species of self-forgiveness amazing in its effrontery, when it is considered that life and property—justly forfeited by the laws of the country, of war, and of nations, through the magnanimity of the government and people—was not exacted from them.
— George Henry Thomas, November 1868.

Yep, “Old Slow Trot” nailed the neo-Confederates exactly: “a species of self-forgiveness amazing in its effrontery”: sad to think that they’re still at it. And still bitching. Even though that “counterfeit varnish” has been replaced by acrylics…

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2017 • 5:08:07pm
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jaunte  May 20, 2017 • 5:12:33pm
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Joe Bacon  May 20, 2017 • 5:14:30pm

re: #4 Le Coquí Résistance

I think that the coverage is not negative enough. Any half competent twit would have been able to weather all these scandals.

Yes, but compare it to last year when 95% of the press was kissing Trump’s ass!

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TedStriker  May 20, 2017 • 5:14:33pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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Interesting Times  May 20, 2017 • 5:19:17pm
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teleskiguy  May 20, 2017 • 5:19:41pm
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:23:43pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Well what’s there to be positive about with Trump. You can’t whine about negative coverage when the man creates negative coverage for himself.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:24:14pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Haahahhaa sucks to be you Rog.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:25:08pm

re: #6 Jay C

A previous thread brought out the suggestion that one of those removed Confederate statues ought to be replaced by one of Union Gen. George H. Thomas (“The Rock of Chickamauga”), a career soldier from Virginia who stuck with the US (and was disowned by his family for it) - and made quite a name for himself in the Civil War. While looking up his CV, I came across this quote which seemed amazingly timely, even 150 years on.

Yep, “Old Slow Trot” nailed the neo-Confederates exactly: “a species of self-forgiveness amazing in its effrontery”: sad to think that they’re still at it. And still bitching. Even though that “counterfeit varnish” has been replaced by acrylics…

People like Thomas are forgotten because people like Lee get romanticized for staying by their state. Me? I have much more respect for Thomas who stood by his country.

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2017 • 5:25:25pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

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thedopefishlives  May 20, 2017 • 5:25:53pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Well what’s there to be positive about with Trump. You can’t whine about negative coverage when the man creates negative coverage for himself.

And he hasn’t even done anything that could be construed to be positive. He hasn’t passed any of his legislation. He’s signed a bunch of EO’s that have done jack shit. What is the media supposed to report on, other than Fox News having their perpetual orgasm over a Republican in the White House?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:25:59pm

re: #8 jaunte

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Clarke really wishes he could have headed the Gestapo. He seems to have a problem with people dissenting.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:27:06pm

re: #17 thedopefishlives

And he hasn’t even done anything that could be construed to be positive. He hasn’t passed any of his legislation. He’s signed a bunch of EO’s that have done jack shit. What is the media supposed to report on, other than Fox News having their perpetual orgasm over a Republican in the White House?

The only thing he’s done was a Supreme Court nominee that was gift wrapped to him courtesy of McConnell and Republican obstructionism.

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2017 • 5:27:29pm
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whitebeach  May 20, 2017 • 5:29:40pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Surrender president bows to Saudi monarch! Stop the servility tour! So sad!

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:30:19pm

Read an article about the monument in New Orleans and it just strikes me how tone deaf many Southern whites are about the CSA. I get it. You want to think your forefathers weren’t willing to die to protect slavery. But to claim that no one had a problem with these monuments before is just ignorant. I was particularly struck by a quote by a 85 year old African American ma. This man had grown up with his great grandparents. A man and woman who actually had been born into slavery. Honestly, if you want to memorialize your ancestors who fought for the CSA, I can’t stop you but I sure as hell don’t want our taxpayers going to memoralize those who took up arms against this nation and memorialze them as heroes. CSA sympathizers should count their blessings that that Unionists were much more kinder to those who took up arms for the CSA than other rebels in history.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:30:44pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

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Yep Erickson’s an awful prick even if he does dislike Trump.

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2017 • 5:31:04pm
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:32:41pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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But Obama never said radical Islam!

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Timothy Watson  May 20, 2017 • 5:34:26pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

But Obama never said radical Islam!

And neither will Trump according to leaks.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:35:48pm

re: #26 Timothy Watson

And neither will Trump according to leaks.

Yeah I can’t wait to see the excuses for that.

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Interesting Times  May 20, 2017 • 5:36:21pm

Oh look, more misunderstood white male trump supporters victimized by elitist PC culture 9_9

“Try it,” the first caller threatens, referring to impeaching Trump, “and we’ll lynch all you fucking n****rs, you’ll be hanging from a tree. I didn’t see anybody calling for the impeachment of your n****r Obama when he was born in Kenya. He’s not even an American. So, fuck you, n****r.”

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:39:24pm

re: #28 Interesting Times

Oh look, more misunderstood white male trump supporters victimized by elitist PC culture 9_9

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If only we opposed NAFTA, we’d totally have his vote. //

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2017 • 5:39:25pm

re: #28 Interesting Times

The economic anxiety is palpable.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:41:12pm

It must suck being a racist loser like that.

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Joe Bacon  May 20, 2017 • 5:41:54pm

re: #28 Interesting Times

Oh look, more misunderstood white male trump supporters victimized by elitist PC culture 9_9

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I deal with asshole KKKallers like that every day at Social Security. And a lot of them are receiving Supplimental Security Income—the #1 program Ryan wants to totally dismantle…

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:43:20pm

re: #32 Joe Bacon

I deal with asshole KKKallers like that every day at Social Security. And a lot of them are receiving Supplimental Security Income—the #1 program Ryan wants to totally dismantle…

Everyone is a moocher but them.

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TedStriker  May 20, 2017 • 5:43:52pm

re: #28 Interesting Times

Oh look, more misunderstood white male trump supporters victimized by elitist PC culture 9_9

Just some more of those “economically anxious” shitheads we heard so much about during last year’s campaign (and ever since)…

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thedopefishlives  May 20, 2017 • 5:44:23pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

The economic anxiety is palpable.

Of course they’re anxious. If anyone discovered they were racist shitheads, they’d be out on their ears.

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TedStriker  May 20, 2017 • 5:45:50pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Everyone is a moocher but them.

Because they - and only them - “earned” it.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:45:53pm

re: #35 thedopefishlives

Of course they’re anxious. If anyone discovered they were racist shitheads, they’d be out on their ears.

A lot of them save that bullshit talk for when they feel safe. This casual friend of my Dad’s is a huge racist but the guy never utters that crap in front of anyone. Dad thankfully calls him out on his shit.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:46:08pm

re: #36 TedStriker

Because they - and only them - “earned” it.

Exactly.

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thedopefishlives  May 20, 2017 • 5:47:47pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

A lot of them save that bullshit talk for when they feel safe. This casual friend of my Dad’s is a huge racist but the guy never utters that crap in front of anyone. Dad thankfully calls him out on his shit.

Precisely my point. They know that if a word of that got to anyone important in their lives, they would suffer consequences. The sad thing is that they don’t care. It’s almost like they get off on the thrill of walking that knife’s edge of economic and personal danger.

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 5:55:49pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 20, 2017 • 5:56:58pm

re: #40 JordanRules

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You know it’s a sad day when plagiarism is more of a concern than murders.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 5:58:00pm

re: #41 Patricia Kayden

You know it’s a sad day when plagiarism is more of a concern than murders.

Indeed.

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 6:00:57pm

Hey, Mr. Johnson, thanks for this video! My wife plays Appalachian dulcimer and appreciates the video.

(For me, I just like the folk music.)

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2017 • 6:06:48pm
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FormerDirtDart  May 20, 2017 • 6:10:26pm

re: #44 teleskiguy

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 6:12:06pm
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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 6:16:03pm

re: #41 Patricia Kayden

So true and sad!

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FormerDirtDart  May 20, 2017 • 6:16:29pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2017 • 6:18:15pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2017 • 6:18:51pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

The saddest aisle in the store.

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 6:21:43pm

Off-topic: My wife and I went into town to go to the butcher and a couple other shops.

When I asked him how business was going today, he said it was very slow. I asked why, and he said butcher shops are really a seasonal business around here.

Thought about that, figured yup, bar-b-ques, picnics, &c, all that stuff you don’t do when it’s snowing.

My wife wanted lamb to try out some Penzey’s recipes that company sent her … I can imagine the butcher as he handed over a $67 leg of lamb thinking “finally, someone bought this.” (::

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FormerDirtDart  May 20, 2017 • 6:22:19pm

JJ securing the evidence for all to see…

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 6:22:19pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

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She’s still saying that shit? My God, that woman may be even more clueless than Bernie. And she obviously didn’t have a problem taking money from Democrats to fund her campaigns. Fucking hypocrite.

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 6:26:15pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

She’s still saying that shit? My God, that woman may be even more clueless than Bernie. And she obviously didn’t have a problem taking money from Democrats to fund her campaigns. Fucking hypocrite.

I have no idea who Nina Turner is. I’m guessing someone who thinks a political party should be handed to her without work?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 6:26:34pm

If the thesis keeps Clarke away from DHS, good but man it troubles me that this is getting more talk than his miserable record as Milwaukee County sheriff and his absolute contempt for the 1st amendment but hey let’s bitch at liberal college kids who don’t want Milo Y getting a free pass for being a bigoted fuck stickle.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 6:27:19pm

re: #54 Anymouse

I have no idea who Nina Turner is. I’m guessing someone who thinks a political party should be handed to her without work?

Former state senator from Ohio, Secretary of State for Ohio candidate, and a huge so called Bernie bro who trashed the Clintons even after Bill and Hill campaigned for her in an election she had little chance to win.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 6:28:14pm

If you seriously think the two parties are the same, you need to get your head out of your ass now and stop buying leftist misinformation designed to divide.

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 6:31:23pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

Former state senator from Ohio, Secretary of State for Ohio candidate, and a huge so called Bernie bro who trashed the Clintons even after Bill and Hill campaigned for her in an election she had little chance to win.

I just read the article about her at Wikipedia. The trolling on the men’s ED pill bill she sponsored designed to throw up all the same restrictions Republicans were putting up for women was prtty good. Directly called out the hypocrisy of the GOP position being “about women’s health,” since everything in her bill were recommendations from the AMA and APA about ED.

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 6:31:24pm
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Shiplord Kirel  May 20, 2017 • 6:33:22pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart

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That’s disgusting. How presumptuous, isolated, and self-centered could human beings get. Such conversations go like this around my place:
“You know, you stand to inherit X when I kick off.”
Adoring offspring: “Because you’re the greatest dad in the world!”
Humble self: “Yes, I’m the greatest dad in the world, though not the most modest.”
Ok, it’s not quite like that but anyone who frets about such conversations probably deserves to be spitted on a rebel peasant’s pitchfork.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 6:33:25pm

re: #58 Anymouse

I just read the article about her at Wikipedia. The trolling on the men’s ED pill bill she sponsored designed to throw up all the same restrictions Republicans were putting up for women was prtty good. Directly called out the hypocrisy of the GOP position being “about women’s health,” since everything in her bill were recommendations from the AMA and APA about ED.

I am sure she definitely did do good things in the legislature but I have a big problem with her spreading that lie. We had the most progressive platform in the party’s history last summer but people like Turner insisted on being in a cult of personality for Senator Sanders. That’s not all Sanders supporters mind you. I know a lot of Sanders people who I work with on the Perriello campaign who are pragmatic minded people.

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Decatur Deb  May 20, 2017 • 6:33:28pm

Had a regional Dem meeting today. Can’t say they were euphoric, but the meetup ended with a rendition of Happy Days Are Here Again.

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 6:33:30pm

re: #59 JordanRules

Trump is busy celebrating a likely-illegal contract with King Salman for $110B worth of military hardware.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 6:34:14pm

re: #59 JordanRules

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Obama respects the sacrifices made by the men and women of our military. Trump doesn’t give a shit.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 6:35:08pm

re: #62 Decatur Deb

Had a regional Dem meeting today. Can’t say they were euphoric, but the meetup ended with a rendition of Happy Days Are Here Again.

I knocked some doors. Didn’t get to talk to too many people but you know I see the names on our list and I see our party’s future. We’re a party of every American and I am glad we’ll enver be Richard Spencer’s party.

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 6:35:10pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel

That’s disgusting. How presumptuous, isolated, and self-centered could human beings get. Such conversations go like this around my place:
“You know, you stand to inherit X when I kick off.”
Adoring offspring: “Because you’re the greatest dad in the world!”
Humble self: “Yes, I’m the greatest dad in the world, though not the most modest.”
Ok, it’s not quite like that but anyone who frets about such conversations probably deserves to be spitted on a rebel peasant’s pitchfork.

To my son: You’re likely to only inherit a Smart car and an $18,000 house in Nebraska. At least you’ll have a bug-out place when Jacksonville floods from global warming.

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 6:36:30pm

re: #63 Anymouse

re: #64 HappyWarrior

The contrasts are stark!

We all deserve better and for the armed forces it can be really amplified by the new risks they are facing under this regime.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 6:37:22pm

re: #67 JordanRules

The contrasts are stark!

We all deserve better and for the armed forces it can be really amplified by the new risks they are facing under this regime.

We really do.

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 6:38:40pm
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 6:40:06pm

re: #69 Anymouse

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Well they’re the same people who mock millenials for being too sensitive but yet love the guy who can’t handle being made fun of by SNL. In short, they’re a bunch of projecting babies who support another projecting baby.

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2017 • 6:43:30pm
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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 6:43:32pm
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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 6:47:31pm
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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 6:49:36pm

We really need to get wingnuts out of local government as well:

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William Lewis  May 20, 2017 • 6:50:48pm

re: #71 teleskiguy

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No booze, poor drunkard… pity they can’t just arrest him for something and keep him there when Trump leaves.

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2017 • 6:54:42pm

Lizard eggs.

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 6:54:56pm

re: #75 William Lewis

Oh snap. Is he at risk of getting the DT’s?

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Jay C  May 20, 2017 • 6:57:31pm

re: #63 Anymouse

Trump is busy celebrating a likely-illegal contract with King Salman for $110B worth of military hardware.

That the Obama Administration started the negotiations on, but never mind….

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 7:02:06pm

The tail end of that Tampa Bay Times article quoting Tampa Mayor Buckhorn (the responsible gun operator “jokingly” threatening journalists with .50 calibre gunfire):

Despite the flak, the mayor is sticking to his guns. [their pun, not mine]

Next year, the special operations demonstration will likely take place again. And Buckhorn said he will likely come roaring back to the dock, machine guns ablaze.

“I am firing blanks,” he said. “I point the gun at everyone, not just the media. I have to point it at someone, and someone is going to get mad at me for pointing it at them.”

You “have to point it at someone?” Even blanks can hurt people (wadding, &c). While it is unlikely that Navy special ops people would load live rounds into a twin .50 cal for a demonstration, the chance is not zero and all guns are dangerous. You never point them at someone unless you intend to kill them.

Geez, even the NRA will tell you that. What it is about wingnuts that think guns are toys? Pointing my shotgun at someone is the absolute last thing I would do if I literally had no alternative (such as defending myself or someone else if unable to flee).

On the other hand, I am likely a better shot than many wingnuts.

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wheat-dogg  May 20, 2017 • 7:07:10pm

re: #79 Anymouse

The tail end of that Tampa Bay Times article quoting Tampa Mayor Buckhorn (the responsible gun operator “jokingly” threatening journalists with .50 calibre gunfire):

You “have to point it at someone?” Even blanks can hurt people (wadding, &c). While it is unlikely that Navy special ops people would load live rounds into a twin .50 cal for a demonstration, the chance is not zero and all guns are dangerous. You never point them at someone unless you intend to kill them.

Geez, even the NRA will tell you that. What it is about wingnuts that think guns are toys? Pointing my shotgun at someone is the absolute last thing I would do if I literally had no alternative (such as defending myself or someone else if unable to flee).

On the other hand, I am likely a better shot than many wingnuts.

I blame Duke Nukem.
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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 7:07:41pm

Wedding congratulations to Jim Wright’s son and his wife:

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 7:14:12pm

It appears that Devin Nunes accidentally dropped the idea on FOX that someone in the White House is under investigation.

I get the impression some of these guys couldn’t secure their own shoes if they were penny loafers.

wonkette.com (with the usual dose of snark)

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Belafon  May 20, 2017 • 7:19:42pm

re: #82 Anymouse

It appears that Devin Nunes accidentally dropped the idea on FOX that someone in the White House is under investigation.

I get the impression some of these guys couldn’t secure their own shoes if they were penny loafers.

wonkette.com (with the usual dose of snark)

Hopefully that will rip a hole in the fabric of space-time at Fox: A piece of truth broke out on TV.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2017 • 7:22:59pm

“It’s not really yours”.

If I go to the doctor, will they treat someone else? If I go in for surgery, will they operate on somebody else?

No?

Then that’s really an incredibly inane thing to tweet, isn’t it?

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Belafon  May 20, 2017 • 7:26:25pm

re: #84 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, and what a crappy bio he has:

“The Man Who Could Bring Down ObamaCare” (Vox). ObamaCare’s “Single Most Relentless Antagonist” (TNR) & “Fiercest Critic” (The Week).

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jaunte  May 20, 2017 • 7:32:34pm

re: #74 Anymouse

“Bob Buckhorn” sounds like a character from Dr. Strangelove.

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TedStriker  May 20, 2017 • 7:38:39pm

re: #86 jaunte

“Bob Buckhorn” sounds like a character from Dr. Strangelove.

Slab Bulkhead…

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The Spite House  May 20, 2017 • 7:50:58pm

Hahahaha!

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 7:56:24pm
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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 7:57:38pm

Ruh-roh, moving further into Nixon territory here… .

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 8:00:46pm
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 8:07:12pm

re: #91 Anymouse

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Really hoping Quist pulls it out. He’s running a good campaign.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 8:07:45pm

re: #85 Belafon

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Oh, and what a crappy bio he has:

He must be really fun at parties. What the hell is wrong with people like this? Oh and he’s so humble I see too.

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Jay C  May 20, 2017 • 8:08:54pm

re: #91 Anymouse

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Well, at least Rob Quist won’t have to worry about the BernieBros pissing all over his campaign for whatever reason; I guess we should be thankful for the small favor that the Dems aren’t letting factional spats screw up their campaign. In Montana, anyway…

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 8:13:17pm

re: #94 Jay C

Well, at least Rob Quist won’t have to worry about the BernieBros pissing all over his campaign for whatever reason; I guess we should be thankful for the small favor that the Dems aren’t letting factional spats screw up their campaign. In Montana, anyway…

I just wish Sanders could afford the same to Ossoff in Georgia. He wants us to be competitive in all 50 states than he needs to be consistent with that himself.

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2017 • 8:13:22pm

Late evening greetings from Ohio.

Just wanted to say some of us Ohioans are very sorry Nina Turner went national. Of course her working for Bernie as a spokesman after she lost running for Ohio Secretary of State a few years back made her a national figure. And the media helped as she made a lot of cable TV news in support of Bernie.

It just would have been nice if she could have decided she wasn’t all that great a candidate and faded into the background. I guess Ohio didn’t reject her enough for a state office and Bernie decided she had the kind of loud voice he wanted representing him.

And she sounds like nothing has changed at all.

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 8:17:02pm

Loving the projection tech portion of the resistance!

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The Vicious Babushka  May 20, 2017 • 8:19:41pm

So instead of “bowing” by bending his upper body at the waist, Cheeto Pendejo slumps forward and squats like he’s going to take a dump right then and there.

Video at Washington Post.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 8:23:42pm

re: #96 ObserverArt

Late evening greetings from Ohio.

Just wanted to say some of us Ohioans are very sorry Nina Turner went national. Of course her working for Bernie as a spokesman after she lost running for Ohio Secretary of State a few years back made her a national figure. And the media helped as she made a lot of cable TV news in support of Bernie.

It just would have been nice if she could have decided she wasn’t all that great a candidate and faded into the background. I guess Ohio didn’t reject her enough for a state office and Bernie decided she had the kind of loud voice he wanted representing him.

And she sounds like nothing has changed at all.

What pisses me off about her is that she talks all this shit about the national Democratic party whose bigshots still campaigned for her in a race she had little chance of winning. I find a lot of Sanders’ surrogates i.e. her, Gabbard, West, more annoying than him.

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sagehen  May 20, 2017 • 8:27:30pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel

That’s disgusting. How presumptuous, isolated, and self-centered could human beings get. Such conversations go like this around my place:
“You know, you stand to inherit X when I kick off.”
Adoring offspring: “Because you’re the greatest dad in the world!”
Humble self: “Yes, I’m the greatest dad in the world, though not the most modest.”
Ok, it’s not quite like that but anyone who frets about such conversations probably deserves to be spitted on a rebel peasant’s pitchfork.

They fret about it because they know their children as supremely selfish, lazy assholes, who if they know how much they’ll get when their parents die… would be likely to take action to accelerate such those deaths.

The Menendez parents would have lived a lot longer if their children had believed there was no cash and the house was heavily mortgaged.

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2017 • 8:32:36pm

Ha…SNL opening is great. Trump and gang at the piano singing “Hallelujah.”

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ipsos  May 20, 2017 • 8:39:35pm

re: #101 ObserverArt

Ha…SNL opening is great. Trump and gang at the piano singing “Hallelujah.”

Johnson/Hanks 2020!

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Jay C  May 20, 2017 • 8:40:29pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

I just wish Sanders could afford the same to Ossoff in Georgia. He wants us to be competitive in all 50 states than he needs to be consistent with that himself.

Agree, but with a single exception: that one word “us”…

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 8:42:12pm

re: #103 Jay C

Agree, but with a single exception: that one word “us”…

True, he still won’t commit to the Democratic Party. It makes his demands of what the party should be all the more absurd IMO. Drop the independent label and for the love of Christ stop acting like cultural issues should take a back burner to the white working class, many of whom haven’t wanted anything to do with our party since Nixon pandered to their resentments 50 years ago.

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FormerDirtDart  May 20, 2017 • 8:46:14pm
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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 8:53:07pm
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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 8:54:42pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

True, he still won’t commit to the Democratic Party. It makes his demands of what the party should be all the more absurd IMO. Drop the independent label and for the love of Christ stop acting like cultural issues should take a back burner to the white working class, many of whom haven’t wanted anything to do with our party since Nixon pandered to their resentments 50 years ago.

I don’t recall Senator Angus King, the independent from Maine, ever trying to make specific demands on the Democratic Party.

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 8:56:36pm

The last mild streak of weather is done here in Phoenix.

Not looking forward to what is projected to be an above average summer. Average summer is hard enough.

I get weird SAD in the summer here. Too much sunlight and heat I guess.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 8:57:12pm

re: #107 Anymouse

I don’t recall Senator Angus King, the independent from Maine, ever trying to make specific demands on the Democratic Party.

He doesn’t. Hence why I have no problem with Senator King. Sanders wants to have it both ways. He wants to use the Democratic Party to push his agenda but he wants to be able to distance himself from them when times get tough. For someone who fancies himself as atypical from your average politician, I find that behavior exactly what many people dislike in many politicians but Sanders gets away with it because people like his ideas and he shouldn’t. We hated when Lieberman pulled that shit and Sanders shouldn’t get the same pass.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 8:57:54pm

re: #108 JordanRules

The last mild streak of weather is done here in Phoenix.

Not looking forward to what is projected to be an above average summer. Average summer is hard enough.

I get weird SAD in the summer here. Too much sunlight and heat I guess.

It was 90 here the other day. Today only in the mid 60’s. Glad I canvassed today rather than yesterday.

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2017 • 8:59:12pm

re: #108 JordanRules

The last mild streak of weather is done here in Phoenix.

Not looking forward to what is projected to be an above average summer. Average summer is hard enough.

I get weird SAD in the summer here. Too much sunlight and heat I guess.

If at all feasible get some footy of you cooking an egg on a sidewalk sometime this summer and post it to YouTube. Hell, I bet that would make Front Page around these parts!

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 8:59:40pm

I am not against Sanders or King or any independent caucusing with the Dems at all by the way but I’m definitely against Sanders telling the Dems how to run their party.

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 9:01:31pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

I know folks in areas that get big temp changes in a day or two get annoyed, but I kinda miss that weirdness from when I lived in MI and GA.

Glad you picked the right day too and I love your involvement in the race there and hearing the updates. My folks lived in VA for a bit and I really enjoyed visiting.

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 9:02:05pm

Neil deGrasse Tyson appears to have started a hilarious hashtag at Twitter - some of the responses are a hoot:

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William Lewis  May 20, 2017 • 9:02:52pm

re: #108 JordanRules

The last mild streak of weather is done here in Phoenix.

Not looking forward to what is projected to be an above average summer. Average summer is hard enough.

I get weird SAD in the summer here. Too much sunlight and heat I guess.

I’d trade my northern Wisconsin winters for Bisbee’s hot and dry in a heartbeat. If it wasn’t for wanting to stay by my son, I’d be down there job searching.

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 9:03:37pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

I am not against Sanders or King or any independent caucusing with the Dems at all by the way but I’m definitely against Sanders telling the Dems how to run their party.

I briefly commented on Sanders to my wife.

She said he’s really a professional politican.

Not like me, she says. I’m an amateur politician because I don’t get paid. (::

So I guess I should go on the Pro-Am tourney circuit? /s

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 9:05:14pm

re: #111 teleskiguy

It kinda trips me out how I used to play outside in the summer when I was a kiddo.

I may do the egg thing for S&Gs! I vividly remember how much stuff I would leave in my car that would melt when I was younger. RIP hella cassette tapes.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 9:06:22pm

re: #113 JordanRules

I know folks in areas that get big temp changes in a day or two get annoyed, but I kinda miss that weirdness from when I lived in MI and GA.

Glad you picked the right day too and I love your involvement in the race there and hearing the updates. My folks lived in VA for a bit and I really enjoyed visiting.

I really like talking to the voters. It’s actually helped me get over some of my natural shyness. My job has helped there. Thanks though. I’m really happy to help a guy like Tom Perriello. I really think he has the right stuff so to speak.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 9:08:17pm

re: #116 Anymouse

I briefly commented on Sanders to my wife.

She said he’s really a professional politican.

Not like me, she says. I’m an amateur politician because I don’t get paid. (::

So I guess I should go on the Pro-Am tourney circuit? /s

There’s nothing wrong with being a professional politician. Joe Biden was first elected to the Senate when he was my age but I lose my patience with Sanders when he tries to dismiss people like Jon Ossoff as “establishment”. I mean Sanders is on his fifth President since he was elected to Congress. Jon’s my age. My earliest memories are of Gulf War I, a war that Sanders was in office to vote on whether not to send troops to. I just don’t like having my intelligence insulted.

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 9:10:13pm

re: #115 William Lewis

I’d trade Bisbee’s average June high of 89 for the Valley’s average of 104 too!

It’s weird though, I did not like the 5 years of winters I experienced in MI and SAD started to set in, then when I moved back home I got this weird like reverse SAD in the summer here.

But yeah, I don’t want any parts of the WI winters either. Nope!

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Single-handed sailor  May 20, 2017 • 9:11:44pm

re: #117 JordanRules

I bet if you go back even younger your parents remember cleaning your melted crayons off of the back seat of their car. I know mine did, I remember the not quite cursing under their breath.

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William Lewis  May 20, 2017 • 9:14:01pm

re: #120 JordanRules

Didn’t seem that much cooler, temp wise, the summer I was at Ft Huachuca, but I did fall for the artsy fartsy coolness of the place. But so long as the humidity is nice and low, I can handle 104 just fine.

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darthstar  May 20, 2017 • 9:17:42pm
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 9:19:27pm

Has Trump already praised the Saudi King as being so, so, so nice yet?

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 9:19:44pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

There’s nothing wrong with being a professional politician. Joe Biden was first elected to the Senate when he was my age but I lose my patience with Sanders when he tries to dismiss people like Jon Ossoff as “establishment”. I mean Sanders is on his fifth President since he was elected to Congress. Jon’s my age. My earliest memories are of Gulf War I, a war that Sanders was in office to vote on whether not to send troops to. I just don’t like having my intelligence insulted.

The Democratic Party accommodated him during the platform committee in a way it never did with a losing primary candidate before. (For that matter, the Democrats didn’t have to let him campaign at all.)

I also was very upset with him calling Planned Parenthood “the Establishment.” That sort of deflated the remaining support I had for him. (I would take him over my Senators, but that’s a different story.) Planned Parenthood has been fighting off revanchists and regressives pretty much their whole existence. At this point, I’d almost expect him to go after the ACLU or the NAACP next.

I certainly don’t get why he went after Jon Ossoff over the wingnut woman who tried to destroy the Susan G. Komen Foundation from within (I have my issues with SGK but I am not interested in taking down the organisation).

Like Sanders, I style myself a socialist. Unlike Sanders, it would appear that I understand better the issues such as civil rights and such will help in the fight against such things as income inequality. It would seem that he thinks a “top down approach” is the way to go - solve issues of vast wealth hoarding and you’ll magically solve racist or sexist (or even working class) issues. That ain’t the way any society ever worked.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 9:21:44pm

re: #125 Anymouse

The Democratic Party accommodated him during the platform committee in a way it never did with a losing primary candidate before. (For that matter, the Democrats didn’t have to let him campaign at all.)

I also was very upset with him calling Planned Parenthood “the Establishment.” That sort of deflated the remaining support I had for him. (I would take him over my Senators, but that’s a different story.) Planned Parenthood has been fighting off revanchists and regressives pretty much their whole existence. At this point, I’d almost expect him to go after the ACLU or the NAACP next.

I certainly don’t get why he went after Jon Ossoff over the wingnut woman who tried to destroy the Susan G. Komen Foundation from within (I have my issues with SGK but I am not interested in taking down the organisation).

Like Sanders, I style myself a socialist. Unlike Sanders, it would appear that I understand better the issues such as civil rights and such will help in the fight against such things as income inequality. It would seem that he thinks a “top down approach” is the way to go - solve issues of vast wealth hoarding and you’ll magically solve racist or sexist (or even working class) issues. That ain’t the way any society ever worked.

Correct. Absolutely correct.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 9:23:20pm

Thing is and this is why he’s a typical politician. He would have been thrilled to have PP’s endorsement. I guess in short my problems with Sanders are that he’s a typical politician who wants to sell himself to many people in my generation as the anti-typical politician and I’m sorry but he’s a typical politician in so many ways. Like his ideas, I get that but don’t act like Sanders is pure as the Vermont snow. That insults your intelligence.

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2017 • 9:23:56pm

re: #123 darthstar

Bannon pinching his septum, ‘cause he’s got a huge fuckin’ headache ‘cause he hasn’t had a drink in hours and he’s in a country where alcohol is banned.

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 9:25:36pm

re: #121 Single-handed sailor

For sure! And it was the back seat since child car seat regs were so different back then.

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jaunte  May 20, 2017 • 9:26:39pm
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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 9:27:08pm

re: #129 teleskiguy

I’m really thinking the DTs may set in.

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 9:28:20pm

re: #127 Interesting Times

Bwahaha:

[Embedded content]

Well, there are probes and then there are probes… .

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mmmirele  May 20, 2017 • 9:30:07pm

re: #117 JordanRules

It kinda trips me out how I used to play outside in the summer when I was a kiddo.

I may do the egg thing for S&Gs! I vividly remember how much stuff I would leave in my car that would melt when I was younger. RIP hella cassette tapes.

One thing about summer here in Arizona is that you can’t leave cans of Coke in a vehicle during the day. I’ve discovered how easily they’ll pop open just from being jarred. (Don’t ask me how I know this.)

I think of summer in Phoenix as being a lot like winter in colder places. It’s just hot—you spend time running from air conditioned house to air conditioned car to air conditioned store. It’s supposed to be in the low-mid 100s this week, which is typical in the run up to Memorial Day.

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 9:31:48pm

re: #134 mmmirele

That’s it…running from AC to AC and planning everything for before sun up and after sundown.

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 9:32:15pm

re: #134 mmmirele

One thing about summer here in Arizona is that you can’t leave cans of Coke in a vehicle during the day. I’ve discovered how easily they’ll pop open just from being jarred. (Don’t ask me how I know this.)

I think of summer in Phoenix as being a lot like winter in colder places. It’s just hot—you spend time running from air conditioned house to air conditioned car to air conditioned store. It’s supposed to be in the low-mid 100s this week, which is typical in the run up to Memorial Day.

You can’t leave them here in a car in the day in the summer either.

And in the winter they’ll explode.

Right now were in that part of the season where it’s Spring in the day and Winter at night. Fortunately we didn’t get enough snow last night to kill our flowerbeds or destroy our elm tree (it is starting to leaf out).

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piratedan  May 20, 2017 • 9:34:04pm

re: #135 JordanRules

yeah… but the nights in the summer are awesome, even more so for swimming at night….

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mmmirele  May 20, 2017 • 9:36:34pm

re: #137 piratedan

yeah… but the nights in the summer are awesome, even more so for swimming at night….

Only if you like swimming in bathwater. Seriously. The temps in the pools start getting into the 80s and 90s and they are uncomfortable. Not fun at all.

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 9:37:56pm

re: #137 piratedan

In the worst of it, swimming at night still feels like a too warm bath. It does not cool down enough at night. That’s one of the biggest issues. Come September, yeah, night time is everything

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 9:38:12pm

re: #138 mmmirele

Ha! Exactly!

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piratedan  May 20, 2017 • 9:42:32pm

re: #138 mmmirele

where I swim at night here in Tucson

Link

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 9:46:36pm

Wonkette notes lost in the bombshells from the Washington Post and the New York Times this little item:

Lost in the news was this little piece from Politico detailing the “rabbinical dispensation” Jared and Ivanka received to fly on the Sabbath. As Orthodox Jews, the Kushners refrain from driving and using electronics from Friday night to sundown on Saturday. Well, unless Shabbat falls on the same day as the inauguration. Or unless Access Hollywood releases a tape showing the alter kocker bragging about sexually assaulting women. But otherwise, the Kushners DON’T ROLL ON SHABBOS.

wonkette.com

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 9:47:23pm

re: #141 piratedan

where I swim at night here in Tucson

Link

We have Sandhills to swim in.

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FormerDirtDart  May 20, 2017 • 9:50:12pm

re: #142 Anymouse

Wonkette notes lost in the bombshells from the Washington Post and the New York Times this little item:

Lost in the news was this little piece from Politico detailing the “rabbinical dispensation” Jared and Ivanka received to fly on the Sabbath. As Orthodox Jews, the Kushners refrain from driving and using electronics from Friday night to sundown on Saturday. Well, unless Shabbat falls on the same day as the inauguration. Or unless Access Hollywood releases a tape showing the alter kocker bragging about sexually assaulting women. But otherwise, the Kushners DON’T ROLL ON SHABBOS.

wonkette.com

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JordanRules  May 20, 2017 • 9:50:56pm

re: #141 piratedan

That is awesome!

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Joe Bacon  May 20, 2017 • 9:52:55pm

re: #108 JordanRules

The last mild streak of weather is done here in Phoenix.

Not looking forward to what is projected to be an above average summer. Average summer is hard enough.

I get weird SAD in the summer here. Too much sunlight and heat I guess.

It got to 92 today in the Koreatown section of Los Angeles. My new air conditioner kept my apartment at 80 with the compressor going full speed

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Anymouse  May 20, 2017 • 9:53:33pm

re: #144 FormerDirtDart

Well, well. I’ll just wander over there and let Rebecca know. I’m sure she’ll enjoy that… .

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piratedan  May 20, 2017 • 9:54:33pm

re: #145 JordanRules

the landscaping has had a year to get established now, so it’s a tad more lush… the awesome part is being in the pool and watching the hummingbirds come in and feed.

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piratedan  May 20, 2017 • 9:55:50pm

re: #146 Joe Bacon

Joe, can you recommend a good place to eat there? I frequently pop into that area of town when I have to work at St. Vincents.

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BeachDem  May 20, 2017 • 10:01:35pm

re: #96 ObserverArt

Late evening greetings from Ohio.

Just wanted to say some of us Ohioans are very sorry Nina Turner went national. Of course her working for Bernie as a spokesman after she lost running for Ohio Secretary of State a few years back made her a national figure. And the media helped as she made a lot of cable TV news in support of Bernie.

It just would have been nice if she could have decided she wasn’t all that great a candidate and faded into the background. I guess Ohio didn’t reject her enough for a state office and Bernie decided she had the kind of loud voice he wanted representing him.

And she sounds like nothing has changed at all.

I agree with every word you said, and would also like to point out that, perhaps if she hadn’t muscled her way into that SoS run, a decent Dem might have won—and that might have reduced the voter suppression bullshit that slimeball Jon Husted oversaw.

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Mike Lamb  May 20, 2017 • 10:04:29pm

We moved from Phoenix to Denver a year ago. I had lived most of my life in Phoenix until that point. I can confidently say that summers in AZ are orders of magnitude worse than winters in CO. You can do things outdoors year round in CO. That’s not possible in AZ.

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BeachDem  May 20, 2017 • 10:10:25pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Thing is and this is why he’s a typical politician. He would have been thrilled to have PP’s endorsement. I guess in short my problems with Sanders are that he’s a typical politician who wants to sell himself to many people in my generation as the anti-typical politician and I’m sorry but he’s a typical politician in so many ways. Like his ideas, I get that but don’t act like Sanders is pure as the Vermont snow. That insults your intelligence.

That “I’m a grassroots kind of guy/gal” bullshit has filtered down too. One of the people running for our state party chair has been the state president of a Dem org/regional chair of a Dem org/state executive council member/national delegate etc. and ran as a “grass roots organizer.” Say what? (fortunately, didn’t win, because for all the titles, would have been terrible heading the party.)

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2017 • 10:28:43pm

re: #152 BeachDem

That “I’m a grassroots kind of guy/gal” bullshit has filtered down too. One of the people running for our state party chair has been the state president of a Dem org/regional chair of a Dem org/state executive council member/national delegate etc. and ran as a “grass roots organizer.” Say what? (fortunately, didn’t win, because for all the titles, would have been terrible heading the party.)

One thing I’ve coem to feel as I’ve grown older is that establishment isn’t always bad. And I indeed believe a lot of good can come from working within the system rather than acting like a psuedo revolutionary.

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John Carter  May 21, 2017 • 4:37:56am

re: #74 Anymouse

We really need to get wingnuts out of local government as well:

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This surprises me from Buckhorn. I would not consider him a wing nut at all normally.


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