The Bob Cesca Show: The Mascot

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

The Mascot — NSFW; Jacki Schechner from InvestigateRussia.org is here; Trump contradicts his confession to Lester Holt; Dinesh D’Souza pardoned; Trump hits Mexico, Canada and the EU with unnecessary tariffs; Lordy there are tapes; Trey Gowdy debunks Trump’s latest conspiracy theory; FBI is reconstructing Michael Cohen’s shredded documents; The Deep State; Trump says visiting shooing victims will be fun; and so much more.

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214 comments
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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 5:05:36pm

Today’s hot take of the magic balance fairy:

Arkansas abortion pill restriction seen as both protecting women and a major rights setback (goes to the Washington Post)

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 5:06:05pm

re: #1 Anymouse 🌹

Couldn’t see your photo downstairs.

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 5:06:56pm

re: #1 Anymouse 🌹

It has been my take for some time now that we, the US, are in a religious civil war.

In the old days, these wars would have gotten a lot more physical by now. Today we’re a bit more sophisticated, but the warfare continues.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 5:11:21pm

re: #1 Anymouse 🌹

Today’s hot take of the magic balance fairy:

Arkansas abortion pill restriction seen as both protecting women and a major rights setback (goes to the Washington Post)

More small government I see.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 5:13:40pm

Never forget.

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MsJ  May 31, 2018 • 5:13:52pm

Wishful thinking?

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Barefoot Grin  May 31, 2018 • 5:15:10pm

Jordan, here’s the link:

npr.org

Apparently, she will also be on a podcast.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 5:15:27pm
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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:15:44pm

re: #7 Barefoot Grin

Jordan, here’s the link:

npr.org

Apparently, she will also be on a podcast.

Thank you!!!!

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 5:16:49pm

re: #6 MsJ

It depends on the coming election.

The Democrats need to take more than 2 seats in the Senate, in order to checkmate Pence and the Republicans. Also of course to take the House in order for a bill of impeachment to pass.

Once this happens, some of the more rational Republicans will see that going with the flow will be better than fighting the stream.

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Barefoot Grin  May 31, 2018 • 5:18:09pm

re: #9 JordanRules

Thank you!!!!

I’m sorry, I keep saying “she.” It’s Olivia Hooker.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 5:19:02pm

re: #2 freetoken

Couldn’t see your photo downstairs.

It wasn’t a photo, it was a link to the on-line newsletter.

Let’s try it this way (remove the word dot and replace with period):

nema (dot) nebraska (dot) gov/sites/nema (dot) nebraska (dot) gov/files/doc/may_2018_beacon (dot) pdf

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 5:19:29pm

The Gun is their God:

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Skip Intro  May 31, 2018 • 5:19:33pm

re: #10 freetoken

Is that enough with Manchin? Bernie could be a huge ass (again) as well.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:20:08pm

re: #14 Skip Intro

Is that enough with Manchin? Bernie could be a huge ass (again) as well.

Oh gawd, you’re right.
He’s such an ass.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2018 • 5:20:25pm

Here’s what pisses me off about Puerto Rico. The island is a house of cards right now and Hurricane season starts tomorrow. They are going to get fucked up again and Trump will again do nothing.

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 5:21:11pm

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

Thanks.

It’s your URL which is malformed. The correct URL:

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:21:14pm

re: #16 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s what pisses me off about Puerto Rico. The island is a house of cards right now and Hurricane season starts tomorrow. They are going to get fucked up again and Trump will again do nothing.

Yeah. I’m very worried. The last disaster is still going AFAIC.

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Patricia Kayden  May 31, 2018 • 5:21:25pm

re: #1 Anymouse 🌹

Today’s hot take of the magic balance fairy:

Arkansas abortion pill restriction seen as both protecting women and a major rights setback (goes to the Washington Post)

What an idiotic title. It’s a severe restriction on women’s reproductive choices. Not good. WP needs to stop trying to please Conservatives and just state the truth.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 5:22:34pm

re: #17 freetoken

Thanks.

It’s your URL which is malformed. The correct URL:

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Hmm, I copypastaed it from the browser bar. I’m not sure how it was fouled up. Well, it’s fixed now … thanks.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 5:23:19pm

re: #13 freetoken

The Gun is their God:

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You know Jesus didn’t need a gun.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 5:23:47pm

re: #19 Patricia Kayden

What an idiotic title. It’s a severe restriction on women’s reproductive choices. Not good. WP needs to stop trying to please Conservatives and just state the truth.

Seriously, conservatives hate the Post anyhow. Why try to appease their feelings?

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 5:24:56pm

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

Yup, happened to me too. Somehow the hamsters are inserting into the URL here.

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 5:25:03pm

tinyurl.com

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 5:25:39pm

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

tinyurl is your friend.

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Skip Intro  May 31, 2018 • 5:26:11pm

re: #24 freetoken

I thought tinyurl was dead.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 5:26:12pm

Imgur

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Skip Intro  May 31, 2018 • 5:27:10pm

re: #27 Anymouse 🌹

That’s a very nice color of dark gray Mouse.

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PhillyPretzel  May 31, 2018 • 5:29:09pm

re: #27 Anymouse 🌹

And some folks will actually believe that.

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 5:29:17pm

re: #26 Skip Intro

I thought tinyurl was dead.

Apparently it lives again in some form.

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Skip Intro  May 31, 2018 • 5:29:30pm

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Jay C  May 31, 2018 • 5:29:34pm

re: #13 freetoken

The Gun is their God:

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Just curious: what exact section of the Gospels do these folks imagine relates to firearms policy?

Never mind: I’m they have some twisted interpretation of “The Word” to fall back on: they always do….

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:29:41pm
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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 5:30:29pm

re: #31 Skip Intro

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At least Homer actually works in a Nuclear Power Plant, but thanks, that gave me a good laugh.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 5:31:07pm

re: #32 Jay C

Just curious: what exact section of the Gospels do these folks imagine relates to firearms policy?

Never mind: I’m they have some twisted interpretation of “The Word” to fall back on: they always do….

I missed the part in the Gospels where you tell women to go back to their abusers too.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:33:00pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

At least Homer actually works in a Nuclear Power Plant, but thanks, that gave me a good laugh.

One of Kanye’s labelmates tried that. Her daddy was a lawyer and she worked in his office when she was little. Blah, blah, blah. Crazy people!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 5:33:45pm

Unrolled thread on just how betrayed Canada feels today (from Twitter):

threadreaderapp.com

Much of the post-1945 liberal international order, and especially after 1989, was based on two principles: collective security (i.e. NATO) and free trade (i.e. the EU, GATT, NAFTA, the WTO etc). Trump is systematically undermining both. This is a tectonic shift in world history.

I fear even people who really should know better are in denial about the damage that is being done. Even if Trump & everyone else steps back from the brink of a global trade war, these are massive body blows to the integrity of what remains of liberal internationalism.

Americans perhaps don’t appreciate how dependent the Canadian economy is on US trade. So the idea that Ottawa is slapping 16 *billion* dollars worth of tariffs on the US is incredible. It shows, as I’ve said before, how existential a threat this is for the Canadian govt.

When your closest neighbor & most steadfast ally, w a tenth of your population, slaps 16 billion dollars worth of tariffs on your goods something has gone catastrophically wrong. And that CDN officials have explicitly invoked CAN’s military contributions is also noteworthy.

That’s an emotional appeal, one that likely doesn’t register in this WH, but it is a clear signal of how fundamentally Ottawa feels betrayed. And that’s a sentiment largely shared by the EU states. So, beyond the economic impact, it’s the political fallout that will burn us all.

My point is, there are daily affronts and scandals with this administration and it’s hard to keep track of it all. But today may have been a genuine historical turning point. This is the end of an epoch and I, for one, am genuinely frightening of the future that awaits. /xxx - Jasmin Mujanović

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 5:34:05pm

re: #32 Jay C

Just curious: what exact section of the Gospels do these folks imagine relates to firearms policy?

Never mind: I’m they have some twisted interpretation of “The Word” to fall back on: they always do….

Oh, Holy Bomb….

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MsJ  May 31, 2018 • 5:37:19pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

WHAT??

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 5:37:44pm

re: #36 JordanRules

One of Kanye’s labelmates tried that. Her daddy was a lawyer and she worked in his office when she was little. Blah, blah, blah. Crazy people!

Shit, I’d feel unqualified talking to the POTUS about CJ reform and I’m an actual paralegal.

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EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 5:37:45pm

re: #3 freetoken

It has been my take for some time now that we, the US, are in a religious civil war.

In the old days, these wars would have gotten a lot more physical by now. Today we’re a bit more sophisticated, but the warfare continues.

In some respects the two sides in the US Civil War were closer together than the partisan chasm we have now.

Abolitionists and slave holders inhabited the same reality and disagreed on whether or not slavery should be part of that reality.

Now US liberals and conservatives inhabit completely different realities.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 31, 2018 • 5:38:28pm

I AM OUTRAGED, OUTRAGED, NOW ROSEANNE IS TALKING ABOUT RAPING 40 MOTHERS! //

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The Vicious Babushka  May 31, 2018 • 5:40:14pm

Now I’m seeing Russian bot accounts all over Twitter blaming Michelle Obama for ABC cancelling Roseanne’s show.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 5:40:26pm

The roaches are scurrying from underneath their rocks.

You want some Raid™ to get rid of these roaches? Vote in November, and take 10 friends with you.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 5:40:29pm

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

Does Roseanne not get that the ‘ape’ tweet was just the final straw? That it was that, on top of years of shit that was almost as bad?

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gocart mozart  May 31, 2018 • 5:41:01pm
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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 5:41:17pm

re: #39 MsJ

It’s a joke.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 5:41:33pm

re: #41 EPR-radar

In some respects the two sides in the US Civil War were closer together than the partisan chasm we have now.

Abolitionists and slave holders inhabited the same reality and disagreed on whether or not slavery should be part of that reality.

Now US liberals and conservatives inhabit completely different realities.

Liberals are inhabiting reality. There is only one. I don’t know what fantasy land conservatives have been in for half a century.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:42:00pm

This is what happens when folks buy into the bullshit narrative that it was 1 tweet from Roseanne. Years of hate, years of public hate and dangerous rhetoric that was just ignored.

Grrrr!!!!!!!!

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:42:51pm

re: #46 gocart mozart

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Kathy is going in today!! LMAO!!!!

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 5:44:02pm

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

I AM OUTRAGED, OUTRAGED, NOW ROSEANNE IS TALKING ABOUT RAPING 40 MOTHERS! //

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Oh she begged? You’re the same network that’s fine with ruining Colin Kaepernick because he knelt during the National ANthem.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 5:45:05pm

re: #44 teleskiguy

The roaches are scurrying from underneath their rocks.

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You want some Raid™ to get rid of these roaches? Vote in November, and take 10 friends with you.

Of course, they are. Trump have given them what they ever had, a champion at the very top.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:45:46pm
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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:46:59pm
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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 5:47:01pm

re: #53 JordanRules

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I can think Bee was wrong and I can think Megyn Kelly should shut the fuck up too.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 5:47:07pm

Who gives a flying fuck what Megyn “Bad Hiring Decision” Kelly has to say?

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 5:47:50pm

re: #54 JordanRules

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Oh yes “rebel” but at the same time you Trumpbots contend he’s really really popular. You’re not a rebel, Roseanne, you’re a washed up nutjob.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:47:52pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

I can think Bee was wrong and I can think Megyn Kelly should shut the fuck up too.

Yes you can!

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 5:48:40pm

re: #54 JordanRules

These things are not of the category “theory”.

They should be called “fantasies”.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:49:26pm

re: #59 freetoken

These things are not of the category “theory”.

They should be called “fantasies”.

Great point!

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 5:50:06pm

re: #54 JordanRules

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:50:16pm
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EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 5:50:56pm

re: #59 freetoken

These things are not of the category “theory”.

They should be called “fantasies”.

That’s true of pretty much every conspiracy theory. When any honest theory is refuted by observation or is incredible on its face, it’s given a decent burial.

“Conspiracy theory” is just a polite name for a certain category of lies and bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 5:51:25pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

Who gives a flying fuck what Megyn “Bad Hiring Decision” Kelly has to say?

re: #62 JordanRules

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He only cares about what’s good for big business. The tariffs are awful mind you but he has showed he doesn’t care about the other shit and he’s not going to do shit on the tariffs because Ryan’s more useless than Ayn Rand’s philosophy is.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:52:34pm
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EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 5:52:57pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

He only cares about what’s good for big business. The tariffs are awful mind you but he has showed he doesn’t care about the other shit and he’s not going to do shit on the tariffs because Ryan’s more useless than Ayn Rand’s philosophy is.

The funny thing is that if Ryan had a spine, it wouldn’t be too hard for him and McConnell to put Trump on a very tight leash via threats of impeachment and removal from office.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 5:53:42pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

I can think Bee was wrong and I can think Megyn Kelly should shut the fuck up too.

Just as you can think Trump is a horrible excuse for a human being for his ‘blood coming out of her…wherever’ comment AND think she’s a horrible excuse for a human being, too.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:53:45pm
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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:54:37pm

re: #66 EPR-radar

The funny thing is that if Ryan had a spine, it wouldn’t be too hard for him and McConnell to put Trump on a very tight leash via threats of impeachment and removal from office.

Yup. They could do something right now if they gave a damn about their country, but they don’t.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 5:55:20pm

re: #65 JordanRules

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Just spit on his grave already.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 5:56:13pm

re: #68 JordanRules

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I was relieved to see my parents decided to watch Handmaiden’s rather than that tonight. Fuck Bannon.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:56:52pm
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EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 5:57:10pm

re: #69 JordanRules

Yup. They could do something right now if they gave a damn about their country, but they don’t.

I’m not asking for Ryan to give a damn about the US. Ryan is a Republican so that is a lost cause.

I’d be satisfied if Ryan started acting vs. Trump as a reaction to Trump treating Ryan like shit.

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Charles Johnson  May 31, 2018 • 5:57:11pm
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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 5:57:37pm

re: #62 JordanRules

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“I disagree with this decision…but will be doing absolutely nothing more beyond issuing a press statement because I’m counting the days until I clock out for the last time. My future lobbying job and family business will protect me. The rest of you fuckers are SOL.”

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 5:59:02pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

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Small disagreement, boss: They’re going to (again) blame the coarsening of modern discourse on Trump’s critics and insist that things like this never happened when Obama was in office.”

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EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 5:59:38pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

The descent into madness of the US Right Wing started with the nomination of Goldwater in 1964 and was complete with the nomination of Trump in 2016.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 6:00:33pm

re: #73 EPR-radar

I’m not asking for Ryan to give a damn about the US. Ryan is a Republican so that is a lost cause.

I’d be satisfied if Ryan started acting vs. Trump as a reaction to Trump treating Ryan like shit.

The 2 might be related. No self-worth and no shame gone big.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 6:01:18pm

re: #72 JordanRules

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Good. I hope Nikki Haley is furious. She always loved to brag about her anti-union bonafides.

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nines09  May 31, 2018 • 6:01:22pm

Suicide, “Frankie Teardrop”

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 6:01:36pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 31, 2018 • 6:01:51pm

re: #44 teleskiguy

The roaches are scurrying from underneath their rocks.

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You want some Raid™ to get rid of these roaches? Vote in November, and take 10 friends with you.

Running for office as Republicans, I presume. Makes sense since Trump is himself a White Supremacist (as are Stephen King and Jeff Sessions).

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 6:02:16pm

Fuck that.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 6:04:09pm

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

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Fuck that.

You watch your fucking language!

/

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EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 6:04:34pm

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

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Fuck that.

Agreed. I’m of the view that one cannot properly discuss US politics without sounding like a drill sergeant.

So this Harwood twerp can blow his “fewer bad words” crap out of his ass.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 6:04:50pm

re: #62 JordanRules

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It’s striking that when Trump stokes racial resentments, disparages immigrants, or attacks Justice Department & FBI: @SpeakerRyan clears his throat (at most). But tariffs is the cause that causes his spine to stiffen.

Stiffen how?
By “disagreeing” via press release?

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Patricia Kayden  May 31, 2018 • 6:05:14pm

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

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Fuck that.

Except for the Bullying Bigot in the White House who can say pretty much anything he wants. And it’s not about bad words. With Roseanne, it was about racism and claiming that a Jew was a Nazi sympathizer.

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lawhawk  May 31, 2018 • 6:06:45pm
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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 6:07:34pm

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 6:09:09pm

re: #82 Patricia Kayden

Running for office as Republicans, I presume. Makes sense since Trump is himself a White Supremacist (as are Stephen King Miller and Jeff Sessions).

FTFY. The author, I highly doubt, is a racist.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 6:09:33pm

re: #62 JordanRules

It’s striking that when Trump stokes racial resentments, disparages immigrants, or attacks Justice Department & FBI: @SpeakerRyan clears his throat (at most). But tariffs is the cause that causes his spine to stiffen.

Ryan is a libertarian. Taxes are a fate worse than death.

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EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 6:10:01pm

re: #88 lawhawk

Kurt Schlichter needs a pointed reminder that it’s called “hate radio” for a reason.

There’s also the inconvenient fact that as soon as a few US RWNJ evangelical preachers starting preaching the anti-gay gospel in Africa, there was a notable uptick in incidents of murderous gay-bashing in the affected countries. Can’t think why.

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 6:10:19pm
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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 6:10:51pm

re: #84 Targetpractice

You watch your fucking language!

/

Giphy

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 6:11:09pm

re: #88 lawhawk

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I’ve read things from NeverTrumpers about Schlichter saying, “I don’t understand. He used to be a nice, smart guy!”

But you’ll read that about kind of thing from them about any number of their former fellow travelers who went all-in on Trump. Maybe, just maybe, they were really always just like that, but since it was aimed away from you, you didn’t notice?

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 6:12:04pm

re: #88 lawhawk

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Yeah Kurt, Samantha Bee is hateful but Trump and his allies aren’t. Why don’t you go fuck yourself, you overgrown man baby Trump humper?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 6:12:25pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 6:13:33pm

re: #94 teleskiguy

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“Do you want sugar?”

“Not me, Turkish. I’m sweet enough.”

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 6:13:39pm

re: #95 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve read things from NeverTrumpers about Schlichter saying, “I don’t understand. He used to be a nice, smart guy!”

But you’ll read that about kind of thing from them about any number of their former fellow travelers who went all-in on Trump. Maybe, just maybe, they were really always just like that, but since it was aimed away from you, you didn’t notice?

That’s what I think of Shapiro when he complains. This has always been what guys like Kurt have been like.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 6:15:04pm

re: #97 Blind Frog Belly White

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They pardon Dinesh D’Sousa who has made numerous racist tweets directed at Obama and others and they have the nerve to complain about Bee. Give them credit. They know how to be the most dishonest peole in the world.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 31, 2018 • 6:17:08pm

Next up: Trump will ban Canadian cars. He probably has no idea what sort of cars they make in Canada.

Reminds me: Some years ago I met a person who thought Windsor, Ontario was in the United States because it was south of Detroit and everyone knows Canada is north of the US. Being in Ontario didn’t mean it was in Canada since there was an Ontario in California, which was definitely in the United States.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 6:17:09pm

re: #91 Anymouse 🌹

Ryan is a libertarian. Taxes are a fate worse than death.

They will just find labor somehow to make their roads. Hmmmm…
Enter prison industrial complex.

Hey, Happy Birthday! Hope you and the wife are enjoying and the weather is uneventful!

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Barefoot Grin  May 31, 2018 • 6:17:52pm

re: #72 JordanRules

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Josh Eidelson
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@josheidelson
Breaking: Boeing technicians in South Carolina have voted to unionize, by a margin of 104 to 65, according to National Labor Relations Board
4:45 PM - May 31, 2018

MAGA

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 6:19:26pm

re: #98 Blind Frog Belly White

“Do you want sugar?”

“Not me, Turkish. I’m sweet enough.”

“We’ve lost Gorgeous George.”

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Hecuba's daughter  May 31, 2018 • 6:21:23pm

re: #41 EPR-radar

In some respects the two sides in the US Civil War were closer together than the partisan chasm we have now.

Abolitionists and slave holders inhabited the same reality and disagreed on whether or not slavery should be part of that reality.

Now US liberals and conservatives inhabit completely different realities.

I disagree with this thesis. Southerners and abolitionists did not occupy the same reality: the South and their religious leaders believed that blacks were subhuman; that they were cursed by the mark of Ham; and the whole system supported enslaving them; they could be beaten, murdered, and raped with impunity, with no legal remedy at all. This despicable attitude was enshrined in the laws of the South.

Yes, there are still police officers and others targeting and murdering African Americans, and our laws are still woefully inadequate in protecting minorities, but there is no comparison between the laws of today and those of 175 years ago. Despite the Orange Yam, we have not yet reverted even to the 1950’s, let alone the 1850’s.

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Charles Johnson  May 31, 2018 • 6:24:51pm
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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 6:25:11pm

re: #104 teleskiguy

“We’ve lost Gorgeous George.”

Death of Boris the bullet dodger

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Hecuba's daughter  May 31, 2018 • 6:28:18pm

I know that this is not a popular position here but I am in favor of commuting Blagojevich’s sentence, which always seemed outrageously disproportionate to his crimes. Rod is a moron but he’s not vicious or cruel. An acquaintance of mine was an economic adviser to the governor; he felt strongly that Rod cared about the people of the state and tried to do what was best.

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gocart mozart  May 31, 2018 • 6:28:55pm
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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 6:29:37pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

Giphy

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 6:30:26pm

re: #90 teleskiguy

FTFY. The author, I highly doubt, is a racist.

No, but the Iowa-4 representative Steve King is.

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gocart mozart  May 31, 2018 • 6:32:02pm
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Ace Rothstein  May 31, 2018 • 6:32:06pm
Haldeman: I don’t think we will be condemned.

Nixon: You don’t? Really?

Haldeman: No, sir.

Nixon: Why not?

Haldeman: Because we didn’t do it. I don’t —

Nixon: Ha ha ha.

nytimes.com

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Ace Rothstein  May 31, 2018 • 6:32:57pm

STOP CALLING DINESH DOUCHESOUZA A “FILMMAKER”!!!!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 31, 2018 • 6:33:38pm

Hard to believe it’s only been a year.

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austin_blue  May 31, 2018 • 6:34:12pm

re: #72 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

Wait. Boeing is building three $250,000,000 planes a week with 170 people?

That’s unbelievable!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 31, 2018 • 6:37:22pm

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nines09  May 31, 2018 • 6:39:39pm

ONE OF THE BETTER CONVERSATIONS THIS WEEK……………AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
GOODNIGHTTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 6:39:46pm
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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 6:41:27pm

re: #119 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

I’m old. I still do it!

*slinks away*

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 6:41:46pm

re: #119 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

HERETIC!!!

//

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 6:42:38pm
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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 6:44:04pm

re: #122 jaunte

[Embedded content]

It is troubling. He didn’t review the case. He just heard Dinesh complaining on TV and on TWitter and he listened to Ted Cruz. Dinesh is also a spouse abuser.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 6:44:19pm
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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 6:44:52pm
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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 6:45:32pm

re: #119 teleskiguy

Because I learned on old typewriters, I still prefer two spaces.

At least two.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 6:45:33pm

re: #125 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

No, bad Chris. Tools have a use.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 31, 2018 • 6:47:24pm

re: #101 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Next up: Trump will ban Canadian cars. He probably has no idea what sort of cars they make in Canada.

Fords & Chevys.

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 6:47:43pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

No, bad Chris. Tools have a use.

She will find a use on the right, I’m sure.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 6:48:06pm
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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 6:48:40pm

Same!!

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The Vicious Babushka  May 31, 2018 • 6:52:09pm

re: #119 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Somebody swapped the Z and W keys on that typewriter.

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austin_blue  May 31, 2018 • 6:53:17pm

re: #128 The Vicious Babushka

Fords & Chevys.

My chevy was made in Windsor, Ontario.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 6:53:31pm

re: #120 JordanRules

I’m old. I still do it!

*slinks away*

Me too.always will

One space is worse than pineapple pizza

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wheat-dogg  May 31, 2018 • 6:54:11pm

re: #132 The Vicious Babushka

Somebody swapped the Z and W keys on that typewriter.

Could be one of them foreign type-a-writers

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 6:57:18pm

re: #132 The Vicious Babushka

Some of the designers I work with used to do that to our sales guy’s computer keyboard. He was a one-letter-at-a-time typist.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 31, 2018 • 6:59:24pm

re: #128 The Vicious Babushka

Fords & Chevys.

Apparently the only cars we’ll be allowed to buy are Toyotas and Corvettes (assembled in Bowling Green, KY).

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 7:04:08pm

I’ve been very wordy today. Still confronting the religious hackjob enablers:

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MsJ  May 31, 2018 • 7:05:51pm

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

[Embedded content]

Fuck that.

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 7:06:21pm

Lots in the religious right are quite upset about the whole SBC canning Patterson thing. Others however are happy over it.

What makes my ass tired though are those who think they have some high ground, like Geisler, to object to the removal of Patterson.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 7:06:32pm

re: #139 freetoken

I’ve been very wordy today. Still confronting the religious hackjob enablers:

[Embedded content]

Accept scripture. How are you different from Islamic fundamentalists again?

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 7:08:23pm

Whoa. Curry buzzer beater from 30 feet out to tie the game at 56 all.

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 7:09:15pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Patterson and his supporters are, by the looks of twitter handles, very much Trumpers.

Gee… I wonder why.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 7:10:46pm

re: #144 freetoken

Patterson and his supporters are, by the looks of twitter handles, very much Trumpers.

Gee… I wonder why.

Same disrespect for women and people not like them.

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 7:11:21pm

These religious complementarians are comfortable with the women-abusing Trump.

Gee… I wonder why.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 31, 2018 • 7:16:05pm

re: #146 freetoken

These religious complementarians are comfortable with the women-abusing Trump.

Gee… I wonder why.

I have no problem with the idea of complementarianism as it is presented. “Different but equal” is a sound idea, because men and women are physically, mentally, and emotionally different. The key is in the last part, “but equal”. None of these religious nutjobs seem to want to regard women as equal in any way, despite their philosophy claiming otherwise.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 7:16:20pm

re: #128 The Vicious Babushka

Fords & Chevys.

Dodges and Chryslers, too

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 7:16:46pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Accept (my interpretation of) scripture. How are you different from Islamic fundamentalists again?

Just helping out

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The Vicious Babushka  May 31, 2018 • 7:17:33pm

re: #148 Blind Frog Belly White

Dodges and Chryslers, too

Yeah all them furrin cars. BUY AMERCUN!!!

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 7:18:03pm

re: #147 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I suspect “different but equal” comes with the same problems “separate but equal” does.

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 7:18:34pm

re: #147 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Separate-but-equal never works.

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 7:18:54pm

re: #151 Belafon

Heh.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 7:24:10pm

re: #102 JordanRules

They will just find labor somehow to make their roads. Hmmmm…
Enter prison industrial complex.

Hey, Happy Birthday! Hope you and the wife are enjoying and the weather is uneventful!

Thanks. The weather today is hot but otherwise fine. My sister just called wishing a happy birthday as well.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 7:25:46pm

re: #132 The Vicious Babushka

Indeed they did! Good eye!

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austin_blue  May 31, 2018 • 7:29:08pm

56-56 at the half. GSW starts the 2nd half on 10-3 run.

Of note, GSW has outscored opponents by 130 points in the 3rd quarter in the playoffs. That’s good coaching.

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 7:32:04pm

The English colonies in America inherited the English form of patriarchy, backed by the various English speaking churches, which essentially gave women no rights. Coverture is the key concept here.

The Quakers, being radicals, broke from that a bit.

Our current American form of fundamentalism is idealizing that early form of patriarchy, to various extents, some more than others.

If anyone cares about rights for all, then one has to resist this fundamentalism.

And no, we don’t have to worry about Islamic fundamentalism here. It’s just not at all politically relevant to the American scene. For places like Turkey and Egypt - yes, they are at risk.

But here in the good ol’ USA, it is Christian fundamentalism which is threatening human rights.

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 7:35:08pm
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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 7:40:40pm

re: #158 jaunte

[Embedded content]

They won’t do anything because they know the Trump voters in their party won’t have it.

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 7:41:26pm
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whitebeach  May 31, 2018 • 7:42:45pm

re: #116 austin_blue

Wait. Boeing is building three $250,000,000 planes a week with 170 people?

That’s unbelievable!

Well, to be fair, they also go through about four thousand crash dummies a week.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 7:44:06pm

re: #160 jaunte

[Embedded content]

My honest prediction? A lot of talk but without action.

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 7:44:39pm
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MsJ  May 31, 2018 • 7:48:46pm

re: #120 JordanRules

I’m old. I still do it!

*slinks away*

I do and will always use two spaces. It’s easier to read. Sorry. Not sorry.

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 7:49:02pm

Can you have anti-tariff marches?

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MsJ  May 31, 2018 • 7:50:09pm

re: #137 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Apparently the only cars we’ll be allowed to buy are Toyotas and Corvettes (assembled in Bowling Green, KY).

Out of respect for the massacre.

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mmmirele  May 31, 2018 • 7:50:52pm

re: #147 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I have no problem with the idea of complementarianism as it is presented. “Different but equal” is a sound idea, because men and women are physically, mentally, and emotionally different. The key is in the last part, “but equal”. None of these religious nutjobs seem to want to regard women as equal in any way, despite their philosophy claiming otherwise.

Complementarianism is bullshit, because men and women are more alike than different, as we’re both homo sapiens. On top of that complementarianism, as it’s conceived, does absolutely nothing for women like me who are single, divorced or widowed. The assumption of comp. is that women would be married, and guess, what, a LOT of us are not! In fact, I would argue that comp. is a reaction to a major change in the demographics of adult women: now more adult women in America are not married than married. This change happened in the last decade and is significant—when I was born in 1960 more than 72 percent of adult women were married. I could rant on this, but I’ll spare the lizards. But please, men and women are not so different that we need separate ways of relating. That’s just horseshit.

And I am so glad I am on LGF where I can use my potty mouth. Because I’ve been picketing the Sovereign Grace people for the past couple of months and they’ve taken to following me on social media to see when I’m going to picket next, I’ve dropped the use of some of my favorite words so as not to overly offend people. Because I drop other things into my Facebook and Twitter timelines. :)

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 7:53:07pm

re: #120 JordanRules

I’m old. I still do it!

*slinks away*

I learned to type on a manual typewriter back in the 80’s. I double spaced up until about two years ago. I broke myself of it by forcing myself to fix the double space as soon as I realized it occurred, not at the end. It took about 3 months,

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MsJ  May 31, 2018 • 7:55:03pm

re: #168 Belafon

I learned to type on a manual typewriter back in the 80’s. I double spaced up until about two years ago. I broke myself of it by forcing myself to fix the double space as soon as I realized it occurred, not at the end. It took about 3 months,

My phone does it automatically. And I hate it. #TwoSpacesForever 😉

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 7:57:20pm
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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 8:02:54pm

Another person we have to keep this country safe for: An 8 year old boy has his mom pull over so he can help an elderly woman up the stairs:

“He was like, ‘Mom, can I help her go up the steps?’ I said, ‘Sure,’ so he jumped out,” said Maurice’s mother, Contricia Hill.

“I started to help her out because she was struggling up the stairs,” Maurice said.

Maurice says he loves the elderly. “They are so nice to people and they will help some of the kids out. They love kids.”

Young boy helps elderly woman up stairs

The guy who took the video gave the kid $100.

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whitebeach  May 31, 2018 • 8:03:54pm

I always keep thinking that it can’t get any worse with Trump, but damn near every day proves me wrong. With that in mind, what I want to know from lizards is what kind of odds will you give me for or against Orange Julius posthumously pardoning all the Nuremberg defendants by this time next week?

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Hecuba's daughter  May 31, 2018 • 8:04:15pm

The Last Word tonight talked about the evil Trump policy of separating children from the parents when the parents cross the border without authorization. The discussion mentioned people who are vocal about family values and their religion supporting this appalling policy. But Lawrence seemed to overlook that this is nothing new: the pastors supporting slavery also claimed to be good Christians. It is not a rare to see religious people clamoring for monstrous treatment of those they deem their opponents or less worthy or in violation of their rules.

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 8:06:08pm

re: #164 MsJ

I do and will always use two spaces. It’s easier to read. Sorry. Not sorry.

This is where I’d write a rebuttal to your comment and to all of the double spacers.

But it is futile.

So, I’ll go with teleskiguy…it is of the devil.

And go Cavs!

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BeachDem  May 31, 2018 • 8:09:02pm

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

[Embedded content]

Fuck that.

And also…

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Skip Intro  May 31, 2018 • 8:09:51pm

Trump’s favorite word is fair, which always means “I win, you lose”.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 8:12:18pm
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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 8:16:44pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2018 • 8:20:28pm

re: #116 austin_blue

Wait. Boeing is building three $250,000,000 planes a week with 170 people?

That’s unbelievable!

Just the flight readiness techs unionized. Boeing is challenging the vote as of an illegally small subgroup.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 8:21:47pm

…

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Skip Intro  May 31, 2018 • 8:24:18pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2018 • 8:24:59pm
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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 8:25:17pm

Fuckface Von Clownstick is always harping on and on about his people and how they’ve been “forgotten” and that they are “forgotten no more.”

You want to talk about forgotten people? I offer a tweet.

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MsJ  May 31, 2018 • 8:27:04pm

re: #175 BeachDem

ATTAGIRL! Fuckin’ A!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 8:27:07pm

re: #164 MsJ

I do and will always use two spaces. It’s easier to read. Sorry. Not sorry.

But you only used one space after each of those sentences. /s

I use two on my typewriter and one with my computer.

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Stanley Sea  May 31, 2018 • 8:27:30pm

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah all them furrin cars. BUY AMERCUN!!!

I lurve my new Escape

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Eventual Carrion  May 31, 2018 • 8:28:18pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

This is where I’d write a rebuttal to your comment and to all of the double spacers.

But it is futile.

So, I’ll go with teleskiguy…it is of the devil.

And go Cavs!

Tied game. OT

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austin_blue  May 31, 2018 • 8:29:05pm

And overtime!

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 8:30:36pm

re: #187 Eventual Carrion

Tied game. OT

They should have got off a shot, but JR spaced out as he sometime does.

That was a good chance to steal this game.

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goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2018 • 8:30:43pm
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MsJ  May 31, 2018 • 8:31:16pm

re: #185 Anymouse 🌹

But you only used one space after each of those sentences. /s

I use two on my typewriter and one with my computer.

My phone does one automatically. If there’s a way to change it, I have no idea how.

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whitebeach  May 31, 2018 • 8:31:38pm

re: #183 teleskiguy

Fuckface Von Clownstick is always harping on and on about his people and how they’ve been “forgotten” and that they are “forgotten no more.”

You want to talk about forgotten people? I offer a tweet.

[Embedded content]

According to wikipedia (yeah, I need to check more sources), at least through publication of The Art of the Deal, Donald Trump continued the lie that his Trump ancestry was Swedish rather than German. This is the asshole who has the nerve to call Elizabeth Warren “Pocahontas.” But of course now that he’s an out-nazi, fuck the Swedes, heil the Germans.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 8:31:50pm

re: #190 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Ha!

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 8:32:36pm

re: #190 goddamnedfrank

I went and read the replies. There were a lot in the other direction, but I wonder how many of them even knew she was in Forrest Gump, much less older stuff.

Edited.

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meteor  May 31, 2018 • 8:34:13pm
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Interesting Times  May 31, 2018 • 8:42:35pm

This thread is brilliant - like a concise, razor-sharp compilation of everything Charles and the rest of us have been saying about “both-siderism” for years:

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austin_blue  May 31, 2018 • 8:44:19pm

Boom! GSW win Game 1.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 8:44:50pm

re: #197 austin_blue

Boom! GSW win Game 1.

Bummer.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 31, 2018 • 8:50:20pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2018 • 8:52:05pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

OMG.

That Hufpost story is insane. I kept thinking I was reading the Onion. Jesus fucking christ.

Figures this asshole is an incel too.

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BeachDem  May 31, 2018 • 8:52:07pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Wonkette’s take (with an even creepier pic)

This Incel-Forum-Owning, Pro-Rape VA Congressional Candidate Got Kicked The Hell Off The Internet
wonkette.com

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 8:52:11pm

re: #196 Interesting Times

This thread is brilliant - like a concise, razor-sharp compilation of everything Charles and the rest of us have been saying about “both-siderism” for years:

[Embedded content]

What I’m tired of hearing is “This is why Trump got elected.” The fuck your feelings crowd has no room at all to complain about this at all. For crying out loud, Trump’s pal Stone’s PAC Citizens United was an acronym for C***. and we saw countleses Trump supporters chanting “Trump that bitch.” I’m still of the opinion Bee fucked up but we do need ot have a serious converation about Ivanka Trump and how she is an unethical enabler of her father. She loves to smile and pretend she’s a decent person but she’s done nothing. She’s just using the power of the presidency to enrich herself.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 8:54:01pm

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah all them furrin cars. BUY AMERCUN!!!

I traded in my American Subaru for a Canadian Dodge.

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Interesting Times  May 31, 2018 • 8:54:59pm

In which I do believe we’ve found the perfect metaphor for our present state of affairs:

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austin_blue  May 31, 2018 • 8:55:18pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Bummer.

LeBron James was a beast. 51 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, a block, and a steal. Cleveland killed on the offensive boards, 18-4. Just not enough. Good idea to build a team around LeBron, but you better get a TEAM.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 8:56:22pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

According to the article, Larson is running as an independent, not a Republican.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 8:56:34pm

re: #205 austin_blue

LeBron James was a beast. 51 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, a block, and a steal. Cleveland killed on the offensive boards, 18-4. Just not enough. Good idea to build a team around LeBron, but you better get a TEAM.

He’s an amazing player. It’s been a joy watching him go from high school stand out to first ballot HOF legend.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2018 • 8:59:43pm

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹

According to the article, Larson is running as an independent, not a Republican.

But he’s also an asshole incel and white supremacist.

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Ace Rothstein  May 31, 2018 • 9:02:40pm

re: #189 ObserverArt

They should have got off a shot, but JR spaced out as he sometime does.

That was a good chance to steal this game.

I can’t take credit for this one. “Chris Webber, you’re off the hook.”

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BigPapa  May 31, 2018 • 9:07:18pm

re: #208 Eclectic Cyborg

But he’s also an asshole incel and white supremacist.

True. Not GOP, but just like GOP on every issue. Except the pedo, that’s not on the GOP’s platform.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 9:22:03pm

Sorry Rick Wilson, you helped build the Republican Party. You have not apologised for your part in what we have now. You are no different than the other Republicans such as Jennifer Rubin or Bill Kristol who are only angry that Trump is using a fog horn instead of dog whistles. You’ll go right back to being a lap dog for their dishonesty as soon as Trump is gone.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 9:24:21pm

re: #210 BigPapa

True. Not GOP, but just like GOP on every issue. Except the pedo, that’s not on the GOP’s platform.

It’s the Libertarians who seem to have a problem with that sort of thing, along with civil rights in general. A good chunk of their party are okay with it, because they see everything through the “private property” lens and coveture and slavery are aspects of private property.

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Teukka  May 31, 2018 • 11:09:42pm

re: #192 whitebeach

According to wikipedia (yeah, I need to check more sources), at least through publication of The Art of the Deal, Donald Trump continued the lie that his Trump ancestry was Swedish rather than German. This is the asshole who has the nerve to call Elizabeth Warren “Pocahontas.” But of course now that he’s an out-nazi, fuck the Swedes, heil the Germans.

If you are trying to pass off yourself as of Swedish heritage, please see to it that your name does not mean “Sullen” in Swedish.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2018 • 11:17:43pm

re: #213 Teukka

If you are trying to pass off yourself as of Swedish heritage, please see to it that your name does not mean “Sullen” in Swedish.

And don’t send your Swedish relatives a package that says “Gift”? Or is that an urban legend?


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