Samantha Bee Apologizes for Calling Ivanka Trump the C-Word - All Videos From Her Latest Show Are Deleted From YouTube

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Here we go again. Today the Trump gang used the power of the presidency to attack Samantha Bee for applying the “C word” to Ivanka Trump in her latest show.

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Bee’s language was “vile and vicious.”

“The collective silence by the left and its media allies is appalling. Her disgusting comments and show are not fit for broadcast, and executives at Time Warner and TBS must demonstrate that such explicit profanity about female members of this administration will not be condoned on its network,” Sanders said.

Imagine what it’s like when Trump and his cronies call out the right wing mob like this to attack one of their perceived enemies. Samantha apologized not long after this call to arms by Trump’s mouthpieces.

And if you take a look at our previous post, you’ll see that the video of her segment about Rudy Giuliani is now unavailable.

All the videos from her latest show have been deleted from YouTube, even the ones that had nothing to do with Ivanka Trump.

This is an incredibly bad precedent being set here.

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Kragar  May 31, 2018 • 12:11:14pm
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Citizen K  May 31, 2018 • 12:12:49pm

Repeating this from the previous thread, but…

So they literally managed to ‘both sides same thing’ Sam Bee’s segment toward Roseanne’s outbursts and the millions of other vile epithets GOP figures hurl every day, and now we might be on the brink of her losing her job because context doesn’t matter anymore, and we’re constantly dancing on the head of the GOP’s pin consistently and forever thanks to feckless enabling?

After everything else today? I’m fucking done. Fuck it.

I’m tuning out before I strangle a fucking cat or something. Maybe I can blame that on Ambien and get taken seriously.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 12:13:21pm

SHS can fuck off. Your boss had supporters chant Trump that bitch. You don’t get to lecture us Sarah.

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CongoJack  May 31, 2018 • 12:13:26pm

As my lovely wife says:

If you are being a cunt - I’m going to call you a cunt.

Best decision I’ve made is marrying that woman :D.

FYI the word she hates most: moist

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CongoJack  May 31, 2018 • 12:14:29pm

re: #4 CongoJack

As my lovely wife says:

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Boo Charles - you censor words? Even if they are under hidden tags. We are all adults here.

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 12:15:53pm
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Charles Johnson  May 31, 2018 • 12:16:01pm

re: #5 CongoJack

Boo Charles - you censor words? Even if they are under hidden tags. We are all adults here.

Yeah, that’s some ancient code doing that. I’ll remove it right now.

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 12:16:41pm

re: #4 CongoJack

As my lovely wife says:

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My kids and their classmates agree that is the most disgusting word in English.

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Kragar  May 31, 2018 • 12:17:25pm

re: #8 Belafon

My kids and their classmates agree that is the most disgusting word in English.

Innuendo just sounds dirty to me.

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S'latch  May 31, 2018 • 12:17:25pm

I’m should have watched it this morning. I skipped over it, though. Booo!

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 12:17:40pm
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I cannot.  May 31, 2018 • 12:17:47pm

Wind whistling outside. Radar has a nice pile of red stuff on it.

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S'latch  May 31, 2018 • 12:19:21pm

I got censored in the previous thread for using the dreaded c-word. I am now considering whether it is sexist. I honestly don’t know. I might need to hear the debate on that.

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 12:19:44pm

Not really off topic, as the religious right practices their aversive tactics all over the place…

More avoiding-the-hard-truth by shifting attention:

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 12:19:58pm
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thecommodore  May 31, 2018 • 12:20:05pm

All the whataboutism you could ever want is below.

And if that didn’t make you all a little dumber, this one is sure to:

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 12:20:36pm
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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 12:20:59pm

More of that Frank Wilhoit thought, from Crooked Timber (comment #26)

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:

There must be in-groups whom the law protectes but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time.

For millenia, conservatism had no name, because no other model of polity had ever been proposed. “The king can do no wrong.” In practice, this immunity was always extended to the king’s friends, however fungible a group they might have been. Today, we still have the king’s friends even where there is no king (dictator, etc.). Another way to look at this is that the king is a faction, rather than an individual.

As the core proposition of conservatism is indefensible if stated baldly, it has always been surrounded by an elaborate backwash of pseudophilosophy, amounting over time to millions of pages. All such is axiomatically dishonest and undeserving of serious scrutiny. Today, the accelerating de-education of humanity has reached a point where the market for pseudophilosophy is vanishing; it is, as The Kids Say These Days, tl;dr . All that is left is the core proposition itself — backed up, no longer by misdirection and sophistry, but by violence.

So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be: the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.
crookedtimber.org

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Charles Johnson  May 31, 2018 • 12:22:07pm

re: #16 thecommodore

All the whataboutism you could ever want is below.

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Larry Elder pretending he doesn’t understand that calling a black person an ape is racist as all hell.

That tells you everything you need to know about him.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2018 • 12:22:28pm

re: #6 jaunte

Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” This seems increasingly true.

This is what American law-enforcement has traditionally been for. Improving communication with the Internet, and body-cams, have made it harder for Conservatives to be themselves in public.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 12:22:40pm
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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 12:23:01pm

re: #16 thecommodore

Of course we hold a statement that has been historically used to denigrate blacks to a different standard than one used to talk about the racist white president.

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CongoJack  May 31, 2018 • 12:24:21pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Yeah, that’s some ancient code doing that. I’ll remove it right now.

Thank you sir!

I don’t use bad words often (they lose their meaning if used too much). Its basically like too much spice. It is good in small doses but if you use too much the food just gets lost in the flavor.

I’m not a very good cook though I do try.

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 12:24:27pm

Carrying over a late reply to ‘mouse from last thread.

Anymouse 🌹 said:

And yet plenty of people went with “boy” and all sorts of epithets for Barack Obama. Gorilla and “tranny” for Michelle Obama.

My response:

Yes…but still not a vulgarity.

You are an editor. I would think this would be very clear to you. Again, I understand your point. I don’t think you are completely understanding our “enemies.”

You don’t give them your position and your gun by being unaware of theirs.

(Put that in military jargon for you Mr. Vet!)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 12:24:46pm
White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Bee’s language was “vile and vicious.”

“The collective silence by the left and its media allies is appalling. Her disgusting comments and show are not fit for broadcast, and executives at Time Warner and TBS must demonstrate that such explicit profanity about female members of this administration will not be condoned on its network,” Sanders said.

Anti-nepotism laws? What are those?

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 12:24:47pm

re: #18 jaunte

So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be: the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

I think I read some of that in MLK’s works. Very well said.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 12:25:07pm
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Barefoot Grin  May 31, 2018 • 12:27:37pm

re: #8 Belafon

My kids and their classmates agree that is the most disgusting word in English.

I remember my medieval English lit professor pointing out Chaucer’s use of it in Canterbury Tales.

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 12:27:41pm

Like Trump is not “vile and vicious.”

That’s what got the idiot elected.

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wrenchwench  May 31, 2018 • 12:27:43pm

re: #13 S’latch

I got censored in the previous thread for using the dreaded c-word. I am now considering whether it is sexist. I honestly don’t know. I might need to hear the debate on that.

Arguments are down the hall
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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 12:28:07pm

re: #6 jaunte

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 12:28:08pm
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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 12:28:11pm

i’m going to bring this up from downstairs, in my own hamhanded way

Link
referencing anymouse’s 191

And yet plenty of people went with “boy” and all sorts of epithets for Barack Obama. Gorilla and “tranny” for Michelle Obama.

Yes…but still not a vulgarity.

You are an editor. I would think this would be very clear to you. Again, I understand your point. I don’t think you are completely understanding our “enemies.”

You don’t give them your position and your gun by being unaware of theirs.

(Put that in military jargon for you Mr. Vet!)

we may be splitting some hairs here - vulgar vs vulgarity. offensive word vs racist word/language

for me, in that obvious context, ‘boy’ is horribly vulgar and offensive, and racist

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Kragar  May 31, 2018 • 12:28:45pm
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Nyet  May 31, 2018 • 12:28:47pm

So I’m trolling a bunch of MAGAts. Wanna join?

It started here:

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 12:29:00pm

re: #24 ObserverArt

Carrying over a late reply to ‘mouse from last thread.

My response was also on the last thread.

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

You’re correct. You don’t surrender while you have the means to resist.

Hence Kathy Griffith piling on in support of Samantha Bee.

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Charles Johnson  May 31, 2018 • 12:29:21pm

Aussies and Brits look at us Americans getting the vapors over the C-word and just shake their heads.

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Interesting Times  May 31, 2018 • 12:29:55pm

re: #27 JordanRules

More of this please.

And I just remembered something else about Bill Maher - while he did face backlash over his “House n-word” comment, he still has his show and his videos up on YouTube (though the Ben Sasse interview in question is no longer on his official channel as far as I can tell)

It would say a lot (and none of it good) if Samantha Bee faces worse consequences.

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CongoJack  May 31, 2018 • 12:30:02pm

re: #31 Anymouse 🌹

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith

Somewhere there is a younger conservative in college reading Nietzsche for the first time and is rubbing themselves raw on their textbook.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2018 • 12:30:15pm
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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 12:31:05pm

re: #12 I cannot.

Wind whistling outside. Radar has a nice pile of red stuff on it.

Are you in the area of lower Indiana and the middle of Kentucky? I’ve got the maps running on my other computer and I’ve been watching that blob.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2018 • 12:31:33pm

re: #34 Kragar

He says the reason he’s never wanted a dog is because he doesn’t want to form an emotional bond with anything that doesn’t have a soul.

That entirely rules out emotional bonds, since souls are obviously imaginary.

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Jay C  May 31, 2018 • 12:31:38pm

re: #34 Kragar

Would it be much of a stretch to assume this guy has trouble forming emotional bonds with people (who presumably DO have souls)?

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wrenchwench  May 31, 2018 • 12:32:05pm

re: #35 Nyet

So I’m trolling a bunch of MAGAts. Wanna join?

It started here:

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Oh, dear. I mis-directed S’latch.

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 12:32:11pm

re: #34 Kragar

Too lazy for a dog is way lazy.

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S'latch  May 31, 2018 • 12:32:38pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

That’s all I need to know. The debate is over.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2018 • 12:33:32pm

re: #38 Interesting Times

More of this please.

And I just remembered something else about Bill Maher - while he did face backlash over his “House n-word” comment, he still has his show and his videos up on YouTube (though the Ben Sasse interview in question is no longer on his official channel as far as I can tell)

It would say a lot (and none of it good) if Samantha Bee faces worse consequences.

He did lose his show Politically Incorrect for being politically incorrect, even though it was right there in the title.

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 12:33:46pm

re: #25 Anymouse 🌹

Anti-nepotism laws? What are those?

For Trump? Those would be laws to ignore. Because.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 12:33:46pm

re: #16 thecommodore

All the whataboutism you could ever want is below.

.@therealroseanne said she didn’t know Valerie Jarrett was black, and had assumed she’s white. My white producer told me he thought so, too. Maher and Kimmel compared (white) Trump to an “orangutan.” If Barr honestly thought Jarrett was white, THIS CHANGES THE DEBATE.

agreed, sort of.
she is no longer a racist
she is a racist and a moran

however, there’s still the chelsea clinton tweet, the soros tweet, and her entire history, so debate all you want, disney’s not gonna “our bad” and invite her back

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CongoJack  May 31, 2018 • 12:34:02pm

re: #42 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That entirely rules out emotional bonds, since souls are obviously imaginary.

And I’ll be damned if dogs (cats, dolphins, horses, etc) don’t have souls. Look in their eyes as they attempt to cuddle with you and tell me there isn’t a soul in there.

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I cannot.  May 31, 2018 • 12:34:33pm

re: #41 ObserverArt

I am on the south side of Indy, actually.

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 12:34:36pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2018 • 12:34:51pm

re: #43 Jay C

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Would it be much of a stretch to assume this guy has trouble forming emotional bonds with people (who DO have souls)?

If you’ve found people who do have souls, you should turn them in for testing. We’ve yet to find one, and you’ll be VERY famous.

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 12:34:54pm

Come at the Flying Nun, conservatives.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 12:35:39pm

re: #34 Kragar

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Tell him that’s why you’ve always been so distant with him.

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Kragar  May 31, 2018 • 12:35:59pm

re: #43 Jay C

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Would it be much of a stretch to assume this guy has trouble forming emotional bonds with people (who DO have souls)?

He won’t watch an R rated movie because they offend his delicate sensibilities, but is fine with ripping apart families because illegals get what they deserve.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2018 • 12:36:17pm

re: #50 CongoJack

And I’ll be damned if dogs (cats, dolphins, horses, etc) don’t have souls. Look in their eyes as they attempt to cuddle with you and tell me there isn’t a soul in there.

They have brain-based consciousness, like we do. That has nothing to do with imagined souls.

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 12:36:17pm

re: #54 jaunte

Yeah, but she ran off with the Bandit…

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 12:36:50pm

re: #46 S’latch

That’s all I need to know. The debate is over.

Many women in the U.S. do not like to be called that word. Just want to make sure that’s part of the record too.

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petesh  May 31, 2018 • 12:37:22pm

re: #47 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He did lose his show Politically Incorrect for being politically incorrect, even though it was right there in the title.

Yeah, and that was one time I AGREED with him.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 31, 2018 • 12:37:52pm
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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 12:38:05pm

re: #49 dangerman

agreed, sort of.
she is no longer a racist
she is a racist and a moran

however, there’s still the chelsea clinton tweet, the soros tweet, and her entire history, so debate all you want, disney’s not gonna “our bad” and invite her back

She knows damn well she’s black and she’s done this for years.

YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 12:39:04pm

re: #60 petesh

Yeah, and that was one time I AGREED with him.

Ha! Me too.

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CongoJack  May 31, 2018 • 12:40:09pm

re: #57 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They have brain-based consciousness, like we do. That has nothing to do with imagined souls.

I correlate the two (consciousness and a soul).

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 12:40:20pm
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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 12:40:45pm

re: #33 dangerman

i’m going to bring this up from downstairs, in my own hamhanded way

Link
referencing anymouse’s 191

we may be splitting some hairs here - vulgar vs vulgarity. offensive word vs racist word/language

for me, in that obvious context, ‘boy’ is horribly vulgar and offensive, and racist

Yes.

I have only one comment. You are looking at it only through your eyes. Put on your outraged conservative thinking cap for a moment and look at it that way.

If I learned one thing being a Catholic schoolboy it was learning how to think and see things as others do. It can be very helpful. Understand other’s viewpoint. They do not think or see things the same way as you.

And that reminds me. I am going to watch Nicole Wallace at 4 PM Eastern on MSNBC. Being that she is a conservative that hates Trump, I think it will interesting to see how she handles this.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2018 • 12:40:59pm

re: #61 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump did this, and should be held responsible.

“I don’t know why he targeted me. He started yelling that I was there to take his job and that we bring drugs here,” the victim, identified by the press as Luis Lopez, told the New York Daily News.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 12:41:04pm

re: #61 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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He needs to go to jail for a very long time.

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gwangung  May 31, 2018 • 12:41:20pm

re: #56 Kragar

He won’t watch an R rated movie because they offend his delicate sensibilities, but is fine with ripping apart families because illegals get what they deserve.

I suspect he’s very particular on who has a soul and who doesn’t.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 12:42:05pm

re: #67 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump did this, and should be held responsible.

I genuinely do worry about my SiL’s extended family since it’s more obvious with them that they’re immigrants. Their English is much more accented due to coming to the US at an older age.

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Kragar  May 31, 2018 • 12:42:21pm
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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 12:43:22pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Aussies and Brits look at us Americans getting the vapors over the C-word and just shake their heads.

as i got cl’d last thread

before mrs dm i dated a Brit for about a year
she could deploy it viciously or with reckless fancy
i became numb to its US based feigned caustic nature

to this day

i may not hear from her for six months and then receive a one word email: CUNT!
(i’m still getting stars, but you know what i typed)

- every year we also recognize guy fawkes day together

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 12:43:53pm

re: #71 Kragar

Trump: “My daughter is beautiful.”
Stern: “By the way, your daughter…”
Trump: “She’s beautiful.”
Stern: “Can I say this? A piece of ass.”
Trump: “Yeah.”
slate.com

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2018 • 12:44:09pm
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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 12:44:24pm

re: #71 Kragar

TBS should know that if you give Trump an inch he’ll want the entire planet.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 12:44:26pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Aussies and Brits look at us Americans getting the vapors over the C-word and just shake their heads.

re: #65 JordanRules

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I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that New York’s AG does not see her role as being merely a caretaker.

Good!

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Kragar  May 31, 2018 • 12:44:46pm

re: #69 gwangung

I suspect he’s very particular on who has a soul and who doesn’t.

We actually got there because talking about the new Star Wars movie and I was pointing out how the Droids were all treated like disposable slave by both the Empire and the Rebellion, even though they are shown to be able to evolve into free-willed, thinking individuals with their own hopes and dreams.

“They’re just machines.”

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 12:45:04pm

re: #71 Kragar

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Now wingnuts, this actually is violating Free Speech. But you’re not going to say anything about this, are you.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 12:45:17pm

re: #47 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He did lose his show Politically Incorrect for being politically incorrect, even though it was right there in the title.

inorite: “full frontal” ferchrissakes

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 12:45:22pm

re: #59 JordanRules

Many women in the U.S. do not like to be called that word. Just want to make sure that’s part of the record too.

As I said in the last thread. The “C” word is very much like the “N” word. I think you and everyone can figure out what that means.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 12:45:43pm

re: #75 freetoken

TBS should know that if you give Trump an inch he’ll want the entire planet.

Yeah don’t get me wrong. Despite what I said earlier, I do NOT think TBS should give in at all here. I do not want them doing what the NFL owners did with the kneeling.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 12:45:57pm

re: #71 Kragar

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If TBS thinks that the “outrage” is bad now, they have no idea how bad it will get if they acquiesce to this.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 12:45:59pm

I have a bad feeling about this. The second Fuckface Von Clownstick tweets or opens his filthy sewer of a mouth about Sam Bee, TBS is going to cancel her show.

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CongoJack  May 31, 2018 • 12:46:06pm

re: #71 Kragar

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And there is the violation of the 1st Amendment.

What didn’t happen when Rosanne was fired? A violation of the 1st Amendment.

If citizens could understand this then maybe we can go forward (but the schools have failed us thanks to Rs cutting funding - and RW teachers teaching incorrectly - which I only add to this as I’ve seen it first person).

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 12:46:36pm

re: #52 jaunte

I like Samantha Bee a lot, but she is flat wrong to call Ivanka a cunt.

Cunts are powerful, beautiful, nurturing and honest.

OMG!!! and that’s from a freakin nun!

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 12:46:48pm

re: #54 jaunte

Come at the Flying Nun, conservatives.

gmta

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 12:47:27pm
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Kragar  May 31, 2018 • 12:47:52pm
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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 12:48:21pm

re: #84 CongoJack

And there is the violation of the 1st Amendment.

What didn’t happen when Rosanne was fired? A violation of the 1st Amendment.

If citizens could understand this then maybe we can go forward (but the schools have failed us thanks to Rs cutting funding - and RW teachers teaching incorrectly - which I only add to this as I’ve seen it first person).

It’s a distinction that will be lost on wingnuts and the presstitutes who pray at the altar of “Both Sides.”

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 12:49:09pm
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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 12:49:11pm

re: #62 JordanRules

She knows damn well she’s black and she’s done this for years.

YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh i know

if they’re gonna go full stupid, sometimes i just want to concede their point, get down in the full stupid and roll around with ‘em

take the air out of their sails and they got nothing else

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Big Beautiful Door  May 31, 2018 • 12:49:12pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Aussies and Brits look at us Americans getting the vapors over the C-word and just shake their heads.

With all due respect, my take is that the c-word is just as vulgar and offensive as the n-word, and often used by misogynists for the same reasons racists use the n-word, to demean and dehumanize an entire group of people (and I understand Samatha wasn’t doing that), and that Samatha could’ve insulted Ivanka in a more creative, funny manner, so I think her apology is appropriate. And that is all I have to say about it. A much more serious topic, which is unfortunately going to sink beneath the waves of the Roseanne v. Samantha battle, is the nearly 5k deaths in Puerto Rico due to Hurricane Maria, which should be a major scandal but somehow isn’t.

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electrotek  May 31, 2018 • 12:49:21pm

re: #80 ObserverArt

As I said in the last thread. The “C” word is very much like the “N” word. I think you and everyone can figure out what that means.

If a woman is calling another woman that word, it’s much ado over nothing.

But if it’s a guy saying that? I could maybe understand the outrage perhaps.

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electrotek  May 31, 2018 • 12:49:58pm

Pamela Geller routinely calls other Jews who disagree with her as a “kapo” or “Judenrat” all the time, no one in the right seems to give two shits about that.

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 12:50:08pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Now wingnuts, this actually is violating Free Speech. But you’re not going to say anything about this, are you.

Yeah. ABC killed Roseanne’s show. Not because the freaking President of the U.S.A. called for it.

This is freaking madness. I think I need to not read for a bit. My temperature gauge is rising. Don’t need that.

Hmmm. Yes, an ice cold beer and a little MSNBC at 4 is in order.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 12:50:20pm

I do have a bad feeling about this though especially since the WH is getting involved.

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I cannot.  May 31, 2018 • 12:50:33pm

re: #77 Kragar

Canonically, I believe there have been droids capable of using the Force. Therefore they cannot be “just machines”.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 12:50:35pm

re: #94 electrotek

Pamela Geller routinely calls other Jews who disagree with her as a “kapo” or “Judenrat” all the time, no one in the right seems to give two shits about that.

Worse, they love it.

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meteor  May 31, 2018 • 12:50:41pm
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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 12:50:43pm
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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 12:51:13pm

re: #92 Big Beautiful Door

As a male, I don’t use that word for women because here in America it is very rude for me to do that.

Yet, other cultures will be different. As has been pointed out, Bee’s skit would have hardly raised an eyebrow in the UK.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 12:51:35pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I do have a bad feeling about this though especially since the WH is getting involved.

I really don’t think TBS will dump her.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 12:51:43pm

re: #90 jaunte

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Full-blown racist versus “SHE SAID A NAUGHTY WORD!”

FFS.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 12:52:04pm

re: #100 JordanRules

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That’s why I didn’t like that she said it guys. I mean it’s degrading word for sure but this.

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electrotek  May 31, 2018 • 12:52:17pm

re: #101 freetoken

As a male, I don’t use that word for women because here in America it is very rude for me to do that.

Yet, other cultures will be different. As has been pointed out, Bee’s skit would have hardly raised an eyebrow in the UK.

Try being in Australia and hearing the word being used liberally on a regular basis.

“Oi look at that sick c*** mate!”

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 12:52:38pm

re: #102 JordanRules

I really don’t think TBS will dump her.

It’s the principle of it that bothers me. The Obama WH nor the Bush WH ever said anything when they were insulted.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 31, 2018 • 12:52:39pm

re: #41 ObserverArt

Are you in the area of lower Indiana and the middle of Kentucky? I’ve got the maps running on my other computer and I’ve been watching that blob.

We just had a big storm with very high winds blow through Frankfort, Kentucky.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 12:52:51pm

re: #35 Nyet

So I’m trolling a bunch of MAGAts. Wanna join?

It started here:

It was removed from Twitter.

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BeachDem  May 31, 2018 • 12:52:52pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Larry Elder pretending he doesn’t understand that calling a black person an ape is racist as all hell.

That tells you everything you need to know about him.

I think the other big point that Kathy Griffin was making is that when the White House weighs in and says someone should be fired, it does become a First Amendment issue.

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ipsos  May 31, 2018 • 12:53:14pm

Headed home this afternoon, stopped at a truck stop just off the Thruway for gas and a pee break. (Name-brand truck stop, fwiw)

And looked up from the urinal to see a whole bunch of inch-high swastikas chalked on the tile.

There’s a good way to spoil a decent sunny day right there.

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 12:53:31pm

re: #83 teleskiguy

I have a bad feeling about this. The second Fuckface Von Clownstick tweets or opens his filthy sewer of a mouth about Sam Bee, TBS is going to cancel her show.

And if that happens we all need to light them up for it big time.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 12:55:02pm
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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 12:56:23pm

re: #109 BeachDem

I think the other big point that Kathy Griffin was making is that when the White House weighs in and says someone should be fired, it does become a First Amendment issue.

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This became an actual first amendment issue the second the WH decided to comment on this. They could have expressed displeasure even but they went all the way and called for Bee to lose her show. That’s a problem and a far bigger problem than what Bee said.

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 12:56:38pm

re: #93 electrotek

If a woman is calling another woman that word, it’s much ado over nothing.

But if it’s a guy saying that? I could maybe understand the outrage perhaps.

Exactly. But in a political battle it is just the “C” word and will be used as a club.

Here we are.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 12:56:44pm

re: #112 JordanRules

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We’re on the same page on this.

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Kragar  May 31, 2018 • 12:56:55pm
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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 12:57:48pm

re: #66 ObserverArt

Yes.

I have only one comment. You are looking at it only through your eyes. Put on your outraged conservative thinking cap for a moment and look at it that way.

If I learned one thing being a Catholic schoolboy it was learning how to think and see things as others do. It can be very helpful. Understand other’s viewpoint. They do not think or see things the same way as you.

And that reminds me. I am going to watch Nicole Wallace at 4 PM Eastern on MSNBC. Being that she is a conservative that hates Trump, I think it will interesting to see how she handles this.

i think i know what you mean and we may be heading into the weeds here

if im getting you, the people using the word “boy” dont think its vulgar
it’s just a three letter word meaning young male
objectively, that is not what they mean and it’s not how they’re using it. they’re going for one of its other definitions while masking in its innocence.
of course they arent going to be offended
any more than they’d admit they are using it in a racist way

full frontal was planned and thought out. not off the cuff. i wonder if Bee thought she was being vulgar the way she used it

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 12:58:14pm
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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 12:58:52pm

re: #116 Kragar

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Better question, why are they making this demand of her when she’s not leader of the party?

Oh right, because they want to make the midterms about “SPEAKER PELOSI!! ZOMG!!!”

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 12:59:24pm

The other whataboutism going on today, albeit with a lesser twitter pace:

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 12:59:26pm

re: #54 jaunte

Come at the Flying Nun, conservatives.

Catholics aren’t Christians!!11!2!!elventy!!

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 12:59:44pm

re: #118 Blind Frog Belly White

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Hey now, Jake, that was a joke that was made in private. We’re not supposed to get upset over that, we’re supposed to get upset over it being repeated to the press.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2018 • 12:59:47pm
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Charles Johnson  May 31, 2018 • 1:01:14pm
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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 1:01:28pm

re: #117 dangerman

i think i know what you mean and we may be heading into the weeds here

if im getting you, the people using the word “boy” dont think its vulgar
it’s just a three letter word meaning young male
objectively, that is not what they mean and it’s not how they’re using it. they’re going for one of its other definitions while masking in its innocence.
of course they arent going to be offended
any more than they’d admit they are using it in a racist way

full frontal was planned and thought out. not off the cuff. i wonder if Bee thought she was being vulgar the way she used it

Yes, but really it is simpler.

Their words are used the way they want. They only care how we use ours.

Beer time!

Edit: I blew the comparison. I need a break.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:01:45pm

re: #116 Kragar

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You don’t get to demand shit after the ads and rhetoric you use.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:02:20pm

re: #118 Blind Frog Belly White

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I’m glad Jake’s not falling for the WH’s trap.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 31, 2018 • 1:02:40pm

I admit I’m scrolling right by a lot of this debate. And I mean no disrespect especially to my friends here. False equivalence is false equivalence.

To me, just crazy me, until Donald Trump has to at least apologize if not step down for the horrible things he says and claims on twitter and elsewhere, it’s all missing the point. Grace or change comes from the top down. Especially in the peoples house.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:02:46pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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To be fair, we saw this in 2008 too when Obama used the lipstick idiom on Palin.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:03:09pm

re: #128 Unshaken Defiance

I admit I’m scrolling right by a lot of this debate. And I mean no disrespect especially to my friends here. False equivalence is false equivalence.

To me, just crazy me, until Donald Trump has to at least apologize if not step down for the horrible things he says and claims on twitter and elsewhere, it’s all missing the point. Grace or change comes from the top down. Especially in the peoples house.

Now that I agree with.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 1:03:17pm

The crowd that to this day snidely remarks that if Hillary had been fucking Bill regularly instead of trying to be a politician, he wouldn’t have strayed wants me to believe that they give a damn about sexism because of the use of the word “cunt” in reference to Ivanka Trump.

We’ve reached a whole new fucking level of chutzpah.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:03:50pm

re: #131 Targetpractice

The crowd that to this day snidely remarks that if Hillary had been fucking Bill regularly instead of trying to be a politician, he wouldn’t have strayed wants me to believe that they give a damn about sexism because of the use of the word “cunt” in reference to Ivanka Trump.

We’ve reached a whole new fucking level of chutzpah.

Yep.

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 1:04:56pm

re: #116 Kragar

Max Cleland might be available for comment.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 1:05:09pm

re: #128 Unshaken Defiance

I admit I’m scrolling right by a lot of this debate. And I mean no disrespect especially to my friends here. False equivalence is false equivalence.

To me, just crazy me, until Donald Trump has to at least apologize if not step down for the horrible things he says and claims on twitter and elsewhere, it’s all missing the point. Grace or change comes from the top down. Especially in the peoples house.

For 8 years, we were told that any time the man so much as belched, it was a hit to “public civility” and the degradation of such was because he was setting a “low standard” with his behavior. But we get a two-bit conman whose response to being caught on tape saying “Grab’em by the pussy” is to argue that that was supposed to be private in the White House…and the same crowd moans that it’s his opponents who are the ones who are hurting “public civility.”

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 1:07:02pm

re: #133 Belafon

Max Cleland might be available for comment.

For the better part of two decades, Democrats have faced constant accusations that they were “with the terrorists” and been compared to OBL on numerous occasions.

So the GOP can go take a fucking leap.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:07:18pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

For 8 years, we were told that any time the man so much as belched, it was a hit to “public civility” and the degradation of such was because he was setting a “low standard” with his behavior. But we get a two-bit conman whose response to being caught on tape saying “Grab’em by the pussy” is to argue that that was supposed to be private in the White House…and the same crowd moans that it’s his opponents who are the ones who are hurting “public civility.”

WE DON’T LIKE ALL THIS PC. I’m glad Tapper is pretty much calling them out on how hypocritical they are. If Samantha Bee had called HRC a bitch or c***, Trump would probably be telling everyone how great that was and how more people should watch her show but because he went after the Princsss.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 1:07:21pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I genuinely do worry about my SiL’s extended family since it’s more obvious with them that they’re immigrants. Their English is much more accented due to coming to the US at an older age.

Ditto with my sister-in-law (my wife’s brother’s wife), as she came to the USA from the Soviet Union, and she lives in Texas.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:09:36pm

re: #137 Anymouse 🌹

Ditto with my sister-in-law (my wife’s brother’s wife), as she came to the USA from the Soviet Union, and she lives in Texas.

My cousin was telling me about witnessing some really fucked up behavior towards immigrants. She’s a rare liberal in her pretty conservative town. It’s just man infuriating.

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Jack Burton  May 31, 2018 • 1:09:55pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

To be fair, we saw this in 2008 too when Obama used the lipstick idiom on Palin.

Also to be fair Obama wasn’t directly saying that *about* Palin. He was saying that about McCain and Palin trying to rebrand the same old conservative bullshit as something fresh.

Conservatives clutched their pearls and pretended to not get it (or they really are that fucking stupid).

So it’s not even the same shit other than the fauxtrage.

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Charles Johnson  May 31, 2018 • 1:11:47pm
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Mike Lamb  May 31, 2018 • 1:12:46pm

re: #71 Kragar

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Ok. Listen up fuckheads…this is FAR closer to actual censorship than any moyherfucking thing you have EVER bitched about. And I mean EVER.

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Kragar  May 31, 2018 • 1:12:51pm
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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:13:04pm

re: #139 Jack Burton

Also to be fair Obama wasn’t directly saying that *about* Palin. He was saying that about McCain and Palin trying to rebrand the same old conservative bullshit as something fresh.

Conservatives clutched their pearls and pretended to not get it (or they really are that fucking stupid).

So it’s not even the same shit other than the fauxtrage.

Oh I know, I’m just saying it’s not the first time that the ideology that gave us the word Feminazi pretended to be concerned about sexism. They were absolutely right about Palin.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:13:58pm

re: #142 Kragar

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The Founders weren’t right about everything. There’s a reason why Slavery lasted nearly a century after 1776.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 1:14:41pm

re: #122 Targetpractice

Hey now, Jake, that was a joke that was made in private. We’re not supposed to get upset over that, we’re supposed to get upset over it being repeated to the press.

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exactly
translation: no one outside the room was supposed to know how craven we are

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 1:15:05pm
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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 1:15:47pm

re: #125 ObserverArt

Yes, but really it is simpler.

Their words are used the way they want. They only care how we use ours.

Beer time!

Edit: I blew the comparison. I need a break.

it’s all good
i do know what you mean

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gocart mozart  May 31, 2018 • 1:17:07pm
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gocart mozart  May 31, 2018 • 1:17:27pm
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gocart mozart  May 31, 2018 • 1:18:21pm
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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 1:19:10pm

re: #142 Kragar

I’d be curious to know how those arguing for and against correlate to those owning slaves and not.

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Charles Johnson  May 31, 2018 • 1:19:12pm

I hate pointing out sarcasm or explaining jokes. But you have to on Twitter or you get comments for a week from people who didn’t get the joke.

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 1:20:41pm

Where’s George Carlin when you need him?

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steve_davis  May 31, 2018 • 1:21:27pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I genuinely do worry about my SiL’s extended family since it’s more obvious with them that they’re immigrants. Their English is much more accented due to coming to the US at an older age.

My English is much more accented due to coming from South Carolina. Lots of people actually think it’s sexy. Okay, a couple of people actually think it’s sexy. Maybe one.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 1:21:43pm

re: #139 Jack Burton

Also to be fair Obama wasn’t directly saying that *about* Palin. He was saying that about McCain and Palin trying to rebrand the same old conservative bullshit as something fresh.

Conservatives clutched their pearls and pretended to not get it (or they really are that fucking stupid).

So it’s not even the same shit other than the fauxtrage.

hey!
you cant get away with using “that word”
it’s horribly vulgar and offensive

and remember george carlin explaining faux-rage over certain words way back when:

The reason Piss and Cunt are on the list is that a long time ago certain ladies said ‘Those are the two I am not going to say. I don’t mind Fuck and Shit, but P and C are out. P and C are out.’ Which led to such stupid sentences as ‘OK, you fuckers, I am going to tinkle now.’

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 1:22:48pm

No offense, but I’m sort of curious why those getting the vapors over the use of “cunt” don’t bat an eye if (for example) I were to call Trump a “dick.” Both are slang terms for genitalia, but one gets nods of agreement while the other leads (at best) to uncomfortable silence or (at worst) howls of outrage and a lot of lecturing.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2018 • 1:23:09pm

re: #146 Anymouse 🌹

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 1:23:12pm

re: #153 freetoken

Where’s George Carlin when you need him?

Maybe Michelle Wolf can weigh in.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:23:15pm

re: #154 steve_davis

My English is much more accented due to coming from South Carolina. Lots of people actually think it’s sexy. Okay, a couple of people actually think it’s sexy. Maybe one.

I don’t have an accent. //

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2018 • 1:23:56pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

No offense, but I’m sort of curious why those getting the vapors over the use of “cunt” don’t bat an eye if (for example) I were to call Trump a “dick.” Both are slang terms for genitalia, but one gets nods of agreement while the other leads (at best) to uncomfortable silence or (at worst) howls of outrage and a lot of lecturing.

“Dick” is banned in my workplace because it horrifies one of the women in my department.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 1:24:12pm

re: #153 freetoken

Where’s George Carlin when you need him?

see re: #155 dangerman

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electrotek  May 31, 2018 • 1:24:46pm

re: #160 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

“Dick” is banned in my workplace because it horrifies one of the women in my department.

So if your name is “Dick”, you’re SOL huh?

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wrenchwench  May 31, 2018 • 1:24:57pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

No offense, but I’m sort of curious why those getting the vapors over the use of “cunt” don’t bat an eye if (for example) I were to call Trump a “dick.” Both are slang terms for genitalia, but one gets nods of agreement while the other leads (at best) to uncomfortable silence or (at worst) howls of outrage and a lot of lecturing.

Insulting women is worse.

/

Women insulting women is double-worse.

/

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:25:03pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

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I hate pointing out sarcasm or explaining jokes. But you have to on Twitter or you get comments for a week from people who didn’t get the joke.

That’s why I understand why she said it. She’s not only a mother, she’s an immigrant herself. She may be white but she definitely sees herself and her family in those families being harassed by ICE and Trump.

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steve_davis  May 31, 2018 • 1:25:14pm

re: #105 electrotek

Try being in Australia and hearing the word being used liberally on a regular basis.

“Oi look at that sick c*** mate!”

Yes, I’m afraid Britbox and Brit Noir has gotten me to where I use the word when referring to men. Not women, though.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2018 • 1:25:22pm

re: #158 ObserverArt

Maybe Michelle Wolf can weigh in.

I watched the first episode of her Netflix series. She’s too much like Gilbert Gottfried to me, so I can’t take a lot of it at once.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 1:25:33pm

re: #116 Kragar

White House demands Pelosi condemn Dem ad comparing Trump to bin Laden thehill.com pic.twitter.com

— The Hill (@thehill) May 31, 2018

Sure, I’m okay with that … right after conservatives apologise for Max Cleland, John McCain, Gold Star Families, John Kerry, &c.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 1:25:43pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

No offense, but I’m sort of curious why those getting the vapors over the use of “cunt” don’t bat an eye if (for example) I were to call Trump a “dick.” Both are slang terms for genitalia, but one gets nods of agreement while the other leads (at best) to uncomfortable silence or (at worst) howls of outrage and a lot of lecturing.

Same reason why cracker does not equal the n word.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2018 • 1:26:02pm

re: #162 electrotek

So if your name is “Dick”, you’re SOL huh?

You become “Richard”.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 1:26:22pm

re: #165 steve_davis

Yes, I’m afraid Britbox and Brit Noir has gotten me to where I use the word when referring to men. Not women, though.

Watching British TV has broadened my vocabulary, most the “insults” portion. But hey, I’ve learned never to confuse “hood” with “bonnet” around them when talks about cars.

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gocart mozart  May 31, 2018 • 1:26:26pm
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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:27:12pm

re: #171 gocart mozart

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*Click*

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 31, 2018 • 1:27:15pm

re: #162 electrotek

So if your name is “Dick”, you’re SOL huh?

Supernatural “Dick Roman” Joke Compilation

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TedStriker  May 31, 2018 • 1:27:25pm

re: #142 Kragar

And they were right.

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wrenchwench  May 31, 2018 • 1:27:45pm

re: #161 dangerman

see

I saw him say the 7 words you can’t say on TV, live in Milwaukee. He was arrested but not charged. I was 14. I still know those words. All 7, in order.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 1:28:05pm

re: #168 JordanRules

Same reason why cracker does not equal the n word.

So if Bee had said “bitch” instead of “cunt,” would the outrage have been as loud? Would we be as hesitant to defend her?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 31, 2018 • 1:30:37pm

Sam should have called her a feckless baboon instead. The RWNJs are okay with that.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:30:57pm

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹

Sure, I’m okay with that … right after conservatives apologise for Max Cleland, John McCain, Gold Star Families, John Kerry, &c.

Right after Trump apologizes for being King Birther.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:34:09pm

You want to portray yourselves as the fuck your feelings crowd, don’t cry especially if you’re the WH if you’re the one knocked.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:34:35pm

Storm’s a coming our way. Thunder.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 31, 2018 • 1:35:57pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

No offense, but I’m sort of curious why those getting the vapors over the use of “cunt” don’t bat an eye if (for example) I were to call Trump a “dick.” Both are slang terms for genitalia, but one gets nods of agreement while the other leads (at best) to uncomfortable silence or (at worst) howls of outrage and a lot of lecturing.

The basic reason is the same that the insult “honky” doesn’t cause the same outrage as the n-word. I think you can connect the dots from there.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 1:36:48pm

I think I’ll deal Richard Pryor and Chevy Chase into this discussion:

SNL Richard Pryor and Chevy Chase Job Interview HD QTCC

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 1:37:18pm

re: #176 Targetpractice

So if Bee had said “bitch” instead of “cunt,” would the outrage have been as loud? Would we be as hesitant to defend her?

Probably. They were looking for a “win” after Roseanne so they would do the faux outrage dance at any naughty word thrown at Ivanka. I think most people are defending her, but the c word seems to carry a lot of weight in the U.S. as a vulgarity period. And then it carries sexist weight when it’s said by men towards a women.
I do think Bitch would have most people making the same basic arguments in this particular situation though.

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Jay C  May 31, 2018 • 1:38:39pm

re: #176 Targetpractice

So if Bee had said “bitch” instead of “cunt,” would the outrage have been as loud? Would we be as hesitant to defend her?

Probably Yes and No, respectively.
The use of the presumably-more-offensive “cunt” is what makes the difference, though: maybe not here: but “here” (no offense meant, Lizards) isn’t where the main debate is going to take place…..

I’m surprised no one seems to have brought up Harry Truman yet in this context: he once publicly threatened to beat up a music critic who panned his daughter Margaret’s concert - and never apologized AFAICR - but then old Harry was accustomed to speaking out for himself (and made it clear he was reacting as a father, not the President): I notice The Donald has been personally silent (?) about the Sam Bee flap… typical.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 1:39:10pm

re: #184 JordanRules

Probably. They were looking for a “win” after Roseanne so they would do the faux outrage dance at any naughty word thrown at Ivanka. I think most people are defending her, but the c word seems to carry a lot of weight in the U.S. as a vulgarity period. And then it carries sexist weight when it’s said by men towards a women.
I do think Bitch would have most people making the same basic arguments in this particular situation though.

Right, which is why I’m rather confused as to why we’re getting at her for her language. They were looking for an excuse, using “cunt” instead of “bitch” would not have made any difference to them, so why does it to us?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 1:40:43pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

I don’t have an accent. //

My wife (and several people on my village board) joke about me having a Canadian accent (though I’m originally from Michigan and never lived in Canada).

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 1:41:05pm

re: #184 JordanRules

Probably. They were looking for a “win” after Roseanne so they would do the faux outrage dance at any naughty word thrown at Ivanka. I think most people are defending her, but the c word seems to carry a lot of weight in the U.S. as a vulgarity period. And then it carries sexist weight when it’s said by men towards a women.
I do think Bitch would have most people making the same basic arguments in this particular situation though.

In this particular case, I hope Bee’s final statement is along these lines: “I am sorry if anyone was offended by my use of this word. I should have realize people would use it to distract from the real issue, that Trump is evil, and his daughter refuses to do anything about issues that affect those she claims to care about, but I am angry and it got the better of me. Once again, I’m sorry if anyone was offended.”

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:41:34pm

re: #187 Anymouse 🌹

My wife (and several people on my village board) joke about me having a Canadian accent (though I’m originally from Michigan and never lived in Canada).

I do have one. I’m told it’s slightly Southern.

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BeachDem  May 31, 2018 • 1:41:39pm

re: #155 dangerman

hey!
you cant get away with using “that word”
it’s horribly vulgar and offensive

and remember george carlin explaining faux-rage over certain words way back when:

I know women who are offended at the word bitch (I, personally, wear it as a badge of honor). Although I’m not overly fond of the word cunt, it’s just a fucking word, and if (when) somebody called me that, after I registered mild shock, I would try to unravel what action I had taken to incite the invective. YMMV

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:42:26pm

re: #188 Belafon

In this particular case, I hope Bee’s final statement is along these lines: “I am sorry if anyone was offended by my use of this word. I should have realize people would use it to distract from the real issue, that Trump is evil, and his daughter refuses to do anything about issues that affect those she claims to care about, but I am angry and it got the better of me. Once again, I’m sorry if anyone was offended.”

Bingo.

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Interesting Times  May 31, 2018 • 1:44:47pm

re: #188 Belafon

In this particular case, I hope Bee’s final statement is along these lines: “I am sorry if anyone was offended by my use of this word. I should have realize people would use it to distract from the real issue, that Trump is evil, and his daughter refuses to do anything about issues that affect those she claims to care about, but I am angry and it got the better of me. Once again, I’m sorry if anyone was offended.”

One of the Parkland student survivors truly mastered that sort of “apology” a few months ago:

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 1:46:23pm

re: #176 Targetpractice

So if Bee had said “bitch” instead of “cunt,” would the outrage have been as loud? Would we be as hesitant to defend her?

The outrage from the right would be just as deafening. It’s not about the word, it’s about her scathing attack on Ivanka Trump.

I would be right there still defending her. Someone else gave the reason above: There is a difference between a woman attacking another woman with those words, and a man doing it.

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Stanley Sea  May 31, 2018 • 1:46:36pm
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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 1:47:13pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

Right, which is why I’m rather confused as to why we’re getting at her for her language. They were looking for an excuse, using “cunt” instead of “bitch” would not have made any difference to them, so why does it to us?

Most folks, who aren’t wingers, arguing against the language are doing so based on giving the cult ammunition not on the principal of not using the language. So if the right went crazy over bitch then I feel like they’d be making the same argument about not giving them ammunition.

But I could be reading it all wrong. I do that know lots of people (in the U.S.) feel strongly about that word tho.

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 1:48:43pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

Right, which is why I’m rather confused as to why we’re getting at her for her language. They were looking for an excuse, using “cunt” instead of “bitch” would not have made any difference to them, so why does it to us?

You seem to be saying we are throwing Samantha under the bus. I don’t think we are. We were hoping she wouldn’t have used the word because of how this is working for Trump and outraged wingnuts.

We are also hoping she doesn’t lose her show over this. That is what “they” want.

I bet if you could ask Samantha about it today she would be in agreement.

The right is a perpetual outrage machine that has the political field covered in their landmines. You just have to watch where you step.

One word. Was it needed?

If I am outraged over anything it is the fact that these are the rules of the political wars. Is it fair? Oh hell no. But what has been fair since Trump announced in 2015?

And the media isn’t helping. They love the outrage.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 1:48:56pm

She apologized. More than Ivanka’s Dad has ever done for far worse things.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 1:49:19pm

re: #188 Belafon

In this particular case, I hope Bee’s final statement is along these lines: “I am sorry if anyone was offended by my use of this word. I should have realize people would use it to distract from the real issue, that Trump is evil, and his daughter refuses to do anything about issues that affect those she claims to care about, but I am angry and it got the better of me. Once again, I’m sorry if anyone was offended.”

That would be perfect!

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Interesting Times  May 31, 2018 • 1:51:10pm

Ha:

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Big Beautiful Door  May 31, 2018 • 1:52:14pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

She apologized. More than Ivanka’s Dad has ever done for far worse things.

Yep, the people gunning for her show voted for Trump after hearing him describe how he “grab’s them by the pussy.”

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 1:53:48pm

re: #190 BeachDem

I know women who are offended at the word bitch (I, personally, wear it as a badge of honor). Although I’m not overly fond of the word cunt, it’s just a fucking word, and if (when) somebody called me that, after I registered mild shock, I would try to unravel what action I had taken to incite the invective. YMMV

If a man called me that I’d more likely review if I already knew he was a piece of crap and if I need to adjust my proximity to him.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 1:53:54pm

re: #196 ObserverArt

You seem to be saying we are throwing Samantha under the bus. I don’t think we are. We were hoping she wouldn’t have used the word because of how this is working for Trump and outraged wingnuts.

We are also hoping she doesn’t lose her show over this. That is what “they” want.

I bet if you could ask Samantha about it today she would be in agreement.

The right is a perpetual outrage machine that has the political field covered in their landmines. You just have to watch where you step.

One word. Was it needed?

If I am outraged over anything it is the fact that these are the rules of the political wars. Is it fair? Oh hell no. But what has been fair since Trump announced in 2015?

And the media isn’t helping. They love the outrage.

Yes. It was needed. The faux outrage from conservatives is exactly that, faux. They get the vapours over a word and not the policies promoted by the maladministration.

They want to police speech, because it is conservatism that is really PC (it is projection with them always). Assertive four-letter-words get your attention precisely for their shock value.

Look at the faux outrage over Kirsten Gillibrand over using the word “fuck.”

The supposed defenders of the free market should let the free market decide: If Samantha Bee’s audience is truly outraged, they will vote with their dollars and go somewhere else.

That’s not what this is about. It is about policing our words, which indirectly polices our thoughts (see 1984 for a fictionalised example of that).

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Interesting Times  May 31, 2018 • 1:54:40pm

re: #199 Interesting Times

Her other tweets today are well worth reading too - pretty much sums up what most of us are trying to say:

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 1:57:14pm

re: #203 Interesting Times

Her other tweets today are well worth reading too - pretty much sums up what most of us are trying to say:

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Yup. She’s pretty much got it all covered.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 1:57:22pm

re: #195 JordanRules

Most folks, who aren’t wingers, arguing against the language are doing so based on giving the cult ammunition not on the principal of not using the language. So if the right went crazy over bitch then I feel like they’d be making the same argument about not giving them ammunition.

But I could be reading it all wrong. I do that know lots of people (in the U.S.) feel strongly about that word tho.

No offense, but it seems that most folks are getting on her for the use of a particular naughty word. They’re totally cool with the thought she expressed, but they’re arguing if she hadn’t used that particular word, then the outrage would have been avoided entirely. The problem is that the cult doesn’t give a shit about the naughty word, they’re looking for anything critical of the White House and would have lumped Bee in with Maher and Olbermann if she had used “feckless” or “bitch” instead.

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wrenchwench  May 31, 2018 • 1:58:02pm

re: #204 JordanRules

Yup. She’s pretty much got it all covered.

As usual.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 1:59:51pm

re: #196 ObserverArt

You seem to be saying we are throwing Samantha under the bus. I don’t think we are. We were hoping she wouldn’t have used the word because of how this is working for Trump and outraged wingnuts.

We are also hoping she doesn’t lose her show over this. That is what “they” want.

I bet if you could ask Samantha about it today she would be in agreement.

The right is a perpetual outrage machine that has the political field covered in their landmines. You just have to watch where you step.

One word. Was it needed?

If I am outraged over anything it is the fact that these are the rules of the political wars. Is it fair? Oh hell no. But what has been fair since Trump announced in 2015?

And the media isn’t helping. They love the outrage.

No offense, but substitute “Al” and “he” for “Samantha” and “she,” as well as “word” for “picture” and we’re stuck back earlier this year, hearing the arguments for why a man who had been demonized for a single picture needed to fall on his sword because of the “outrage” it was causing among the media.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 1:59:57pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

Yup. The offence was calling out Ivanka Trump, not the word used to get your attention.

If they actually cared about the vocabulary used, Trump wouldn’t be within five hundred miles of the White House now.

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BeachDem  May 31, 2018 • 2:00:15pm

re: #201 JordanRules

If a man called me that I’d more likely review if I already knew he was a piece of crap and if I need to adjust my proximity to him.

Well, yes, I should have differentiated between a man using the word about a woman and women using it about each other. My female friends and I often call each other beeyotch and similar terms, and nobody takes offense. It’s the old “I can talk about my family any way I want, but you’d better never.”

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Big Beautiful Door  May 31, 2018 • 2:00:51pm

Dow was down 251 points today thanks to Trump reigniting his trade war with our allies. The good news is that the price of oil has dropped as well, which should help a bit at the pump.

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 2:00:59pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

No offense, but it seems that most folks are getting on her for the use of a particular naughty word. They’re totally cool with the thought she expressed, but they’re arguing if she hadn’t used that particular word, then the outrage would have been avoided entirely. The problem is that the cult doesn’t give a shit about the naughty word, they’re looking for anything critical of the White House and would have lumped Bee in with Maher and Olbermann if she had used “feckless” or “bitch” instead.

I occasionally like to use non-controversial words but say them like I would say a stronger word. Fudge is an obvious one, but even spaghetti works. And then there’s moist.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:01:24pm

Old tweet. Great reminder.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:02:34pm

re: #209 BeachDem

Well, yes, I should have differentiated between a man using the word about a woman and women using it about each other. My female friends and I often call each other beeyotch and similar terms, and nobody takes offense. It’s the old “I can talk about my family any way I want, but you’d better never.”

Okay, I gotcha! Same with me and my girls.

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 2:02:57pm

re: #202 Anymouse 🌹

Yes. It was needed. The faux outrage from conservatives is exactly that, faux. They get the vapours over a word and not the policies promoted by the maladministration.

They want to police speech, because it is conservatism that is really PC (it is projection with them always). Assertive four-letter-words get your attention precisely for their shock value.

Look at the faux outrage over Kirsten Gillibrand over using the word “fuck.”

The supposed defenders of the free market should let the free market decide: If Samantha Bee’s audience is truly outraged, they will vote with their dollars and go somewhere else.

That’s not what this is about. It is about policing our words, which indirectly polices our thoughts (see 1984 for a fictionalised example of that).

The world in not ideal. Especially today.

It would be interesting to know what Orwell would have done faced with this. An artist can point to a problem and know it is coming but can they stop it?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 2:05:15pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

No offense, but substitute “Al” and “he” for “Samantha” and “she,” as well as “word” for “picture” and we’re stuck back earlier this year, hearing the arguments for why a man who had been demonized for a single picture needed to fall on his sword because of the “outrage” it was causing among the media.

The outrage was amongst conservatives, and the media duly did their stenographic duty. They wanted Al Franken’s scalp, and they were going to get it one way or another.

I’m pretty sure as a comedian they could have dug up any number of things on Franken.

In my opinion, Franken resigning (despite being a powerful voice for the left) was the proper thing to do. He took that controversy off the table for the GOP to use in the elections (Franken was considering more than his own political future).

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 2:05:23pm
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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 2:06:43pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

No offense, but substitute “Al” and “he” for “Samantha” and “she,” as well as “word” for “picture” and we’re stuck back earlier this year, hearing the arguments for why a man who had been demonized for a single picture needed to fall on his sword because of the “outrage” it was causing among the media.

And Al wishes that picture was never taken.

Do you think he’d like a do-over?

Why are we here again?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 2:07:55pm

re: #217 ObserverArt

And Al wishes that picture was never taken.

Do you think he’d like a do-over?

Why are we here again?

“Political correctness is killing us”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 31, 2018 • 2:07:55pm

re: #99 meteor

Thank you, Meteor. You are so good about sharing tweets from our animal friends.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 2:08:14pm
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BeachDem  May 31, 2018 • 2:08:29pm

Okay—we need something nice

The reach of Lin-Manuel Miranda
When the creator of “Hamilton” speaks, America listens. But the activist-artist has no designs on running for office.

These days, when the 38-year-old Miranda speaks, the nation listens, or rather, the cross-section of Americans young and old, who might gravitate to a sunny, tolerant personality with a rare talent for lashing together two American passions: hip-hop and revolutionary history. He’s amassed 2.4 million Twitter followers — an account that makes things happen. After Hurricane Maria knocked out essential services on Puerto Rico, for example, Miranda tweeted the appeal of a person whose mother needed dialysis and got the machine to her. (He also happens to have raised $30 million for the rescue efforts, according to officials at charitable groups.)

washingtonpost.com

I LOVE THAT MAN!!

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:08:38pm

re: #220 teleskiguy

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Ha, there’s a bit of truth to that.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:09:27pm

re: #221 BeachDem

Okay—we need something nice

The reach of Lin-Manuel Miranda
When the creator of “Hamilton” speaks, America listens. But the activist-artist has no designs on running for office.

These days, when the 38-year-old Miranda speaks, the nation listens, or rather, the cross-section of Americans young and old, who might gravitate to a sunny, tolerant personality with a rare talent for lashing together two American passions: hip-hop and revolutionary history. He’s amassed 2.4 million Twitter followers — an account that makes things happen. After Hurricane Maria knocked out essential services on Puerto Rico, for example, Miranda tweeted the appeal of a person whose mother needed dialysis and got the machine to her. (He also happens to have raised $30 million for the rescue efforts, according to officials at charitable groups.)

washingtonpost.com

I LOVE THAT MAN!!

Why not? We could do a lot worse. And unlike Trump, he’s doing it for all the right reasons.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:09:34pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

No offense, but it seems that most folks are getting on her for the use of a particular naughty word. They’re totally cool with the thought she expressed, but they’re arguing if she hadn’t used that particular word, then the outrage would have been avoided entirely. The problem is that the cult doesn’t give a shit about the naughty word, they’re looking for anything critical of the White House and would have lumped Bee in with Maher and Olbermann if she had used “feckless” or “bitch” instead.

I understand what you’re saying but I also understand what the no ammo crowd is trying to say. Will the cult lie and make up an outrage out of thin air? Yes. Always yes. We can’t be held hostage by them and fears about how they will react.
But in this specific instance they had a hook, there was one and it was a loaded word (that was not sexist in use). Sam goes after them this hard on every show. It wasn’t just her going after Ivanka, they needed a dirty word after Roseanne made them feel like uber victims who were being silenced. The timing means a lot. But no, I don’t think anyone would have given a damn about that segment without the fire words.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 2:09:45pm
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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:10:54pm

re: #225 Anymouse 🌹

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That absolutely is true. Don’t read my belief that I think she was wrong to say it as a belief that I don’t think Ivanka needs to be called out. That’s exactly why she does.

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MsJ  May 31, 2018 • 2:11:46pm
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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:12:40pm

re: #227 MsJ

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LMAO!!!
A+++++++++

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 2:12:45pm
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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 2:13:32pm

re: #215 Anymouse 🌹

The outrage was amongst conservatives, and the media duly did their stenographic duty. They wanted Al Franken’s scalp, and they were going to get it one way or another.

I’m pretty sure as a comedian they could have dug up any number of things on Franken.

In my opinion, Franken resigning (despite being a powerful voice for the left) was the proper thing to do. He took that controversy off the table for the GOP to use in the elections (Franken was considering more than his own political future).

Did, you just take back you’re own argument? Isn’t Sam apologizing the same thing?

And if anyone thinks a defense against ‘feckless’ wouldn’t be easier and shows it was nothing than wingnut butthurt as opposed defending the “C” word, you are fooling yourself.

You don’t think Sam is going to be used as an example come election time and when needed?

Later! I got stuff to do. Not much more to say about this anyway. We can debate ideal or real. I tend to go off in the direction of real and hope that we can get to ideal.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:13:33pm

re: #229 jaunte

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How bad is your administration if Sessions is one of the least unethical people in it?

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 2:14:20pm

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS UN-RECUSAL.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 2:14:44pm

re: #227 MsJ

Once again I appeal to Mr. Johnson to install that “once a month” +100 upfist button.

Perhaps he can make a game out of it, like the “hyperspace” button in Asteroids. Most of the time you use it, it works okay. Once in a while, it puts you in time-out or suspends your ability to upfist for a week or something.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:15:01pm

re: #232 jaunte

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS UN-RECUSAL.

There is if you’re Trump.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:16:15pm
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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:17:12pm

re: #235 JordanRules

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Melania, shut up.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:17:19pm
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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:18:09pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Melania, shut up.

We don’t even know if Melon is alive and they put out this creepy statement. WTF

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:18:20pm

This administration is full of people who dish out insult after insult on to their political enemies and they can’t handle comedians mocking them? Who’s the snowflakes motherfuckers?

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 2:19:24pm

re: #218 Blind Frog Belly White

“Political correctness is killing us”

How are you going to stop it in the wingnut-o-sphere?

Until that changes…SNAFU!

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:19:34pm

Arrgghh!!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 2:19:50pm

re: #230 ObserverArt

Did, you just take back you’re own argument? Isn’t Sam apologizing the same thing?

No. Samantha Bee is not a politician. She is a comedienne.

And if anyone thinks a defense against ‘feckless’ wouldn’t be easier and shows it was nothing than wingnut butthurt as opposed defending the “C” word, you are fooling yourself.

Once again I point you toward Michelle Obama’s sleeveless dress. Conservative outrage is not based in reality. Conservatives are still going on about Barack Obama’s alleged budget-busting vacations and “apology tour.”

You don’t think Sam is going to be used as an example come election time and when needed?

They will be running against Clinton and Obama, not Bee. The outrage du jour will be entirely different by then. There is no appeasing conservatism. They are mad at Bee for attacking Ivanka Trump. They disingenuously claim that Rosanne Barr’s shot at Valerie Jarrett was not racist because “she’s Iranian.” (Iran has a super-secret melanin destructor ray apparently.)

Later! I got stuff to do. Not much more to say about this anyway. We can debate ideal or real. I tend to go off in the direction of real and hope that we can get to ideal.

Catch ya later… .

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:20:29pm

My cousin just won. At least Samantha Bee didn’t try to blame it on Ambien.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 2:21:11pm

re: #240 ObserverArt

How are you going to stop it in the wingnut-o-sphere?

Until that changes…SNAFU!

You know who I’m quoting, right? The guy whose spokesliar is demanding someone be fired for hurting Ivanka’s feelings.

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BeachDem  May 31, 2018 • 2:22:32pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Why not? We could do a lot worse. And unlike Trump, he’s doing it for all the right reasons.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

He can have far more influence doing what he’s doing.

And, as he says: “Please don’t make me be in politics. I’m asked all the time. And I say, ‘Please, no, please, don’t make me, please let me write songs.’ Listen, my dad’s in politics. If you were the butcher’s son, you’d be a little like, ‘I don’t need a steak for dinner,’ you know what I mean? I’m the butcher’s son.”…”I’m a private citizen with a big megaphone.”

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MsJ  May 31, 2018 • 2:23:02pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Melania, shut up.

Narrator: That’s not Melania. It might be Melanie from the Department of Lies, but it is definitely not Melania.

She’s still in hiding.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 2:23:42pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Melania, shut up.

Still waiting to see Mrs. Trump in public. Perhaps holding a newspaper with today’s date as a proof-of-life photograph.

The Office of the First Lady making a statement is not the same as the First Lady making a statement.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 2:23:58pm

re: #246 MsJ

Narrator: That’s not Melania. It might be Melanie from the Department of Lies, but it is definitely not Melania.

She’s still in hiding.

We need to see her long-form hospital release.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:25:02pm

Whoa!

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:26:22pm

re: #249 JordanRules

Whoa!

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Bibi really needs to go like now. I don’t know Israeli politics but I know Bibi is one of the most negative forces in Israeli politics.

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 2:26:31pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 2:26:49pm

re: #249 JordanRules

Whoa!

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Is there something in the goddam air? What is with all these democracies electing corrupt authoritarian kakistocrats?

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 2:27:07pm

re: #244 Blind Frog Belly White

You know who I’m quoting, right? The guy whose spokesliar is demanding someone be fired for hurting Ivanka’s feelings.

And as I said earlier…Their words vs. our words, now modified to fit your comment.

Trump only made that comment to allow his side to be free of political correctness. Trump still wants his spokesliar to use our words in a very political way.

Set my people free! Kill all the rest.

SNAFU!

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MsJ  May 31, 2018 • 2:27:39pm

re: #252 Blind Frog Belly White

Is there something in the goddam air? What is with all these democracies electing corrupt authoritarian kakistocrats?

Economic anxiety.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:28:07pm

re: #251 jaunte

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You just got tariffs placed on our top trading partner. You ignorant fuck. You and Bernie Sanders both have poisoned so many minds about trade.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 2:28:13pm

re: #254 MsJ

Economic anxiety.

*snerk*

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 2:28:17pm
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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:29:37pm

Meanwhile in real news, we’re going to be in a trade conflict with fucking Canada but hey wouldn’t it be great if we were friends with Russia? // That’s the real reason why this outrage sucks. It distracts yet again from how this administration is fucking us in the ass while acting like they’re making us great.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:30:28pm

And yeah I am going to go after Bernie in the same sentence as Trump on trade because Bernie spreads just as much ignorance on trade as Trump does. And it’s yet another reason why the Bros are wrong that we shouldn’t have nominated Bernie. Bernie would have pissed off our allies too.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 2:30:37pm

re: #224 JordanRules

I understand what you’re saying but I also understand what the no ammo crowd is trying to say. Will the cult lie and make up an outrage out of thin air? Yes. Always yes. We can’t be held hostage by them and fears about how they will react.
But in this specific instance they had a hook, there was one and it was a loaded word (that was not sexist in use). Sam goes after them this hard on every show. It wasn’t just her going after Ivanka, they needed a dirty word after Roseanne made them feel like uber victims who were being silenced. The timing means a lot. But no, I don’t think anyone would have given a damn about that segment without the fire words.

So we’re back to arguing that full-blow racism is on par with a naughty word. And so long as we keep allowing ourselves to get involved in that argument, they’re going to keep gaining ground on us. Why? Because the wingnuts and media don’t mention the debate we’re engaged in, they show us a uniform group for the purposes of arguing “BOTH SIDES!”

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 2:31:43pm

To the subject of this thread:

Samantha Bee Sorry for Thinking First Amendment Somehow Applies to Her. Her Mistake Obviously (goes to Wonkette, more at the link):

Sam Bee has issued an apology she should not have had to issue:

I would like to sincerely apologize to Ivanka Trump and to my viewers for using an expletive on my show to describe her last night. It was inappropriate and inexcusable. I crossed a line, and I deeply regret it.

— Samantha Bee (@iamsambee) May 31, 2018

Oh god, this day is ridiculous. Sam Bee, Wonkette loves you, and we are sorry people who are idiots thought that was necessary.

Editrix Rebecca already weighed in this morning on why this non-troversy is stupid and manufactured and only happened because stupid conservatives are VERY VERY SAD their beloved bigot folk hero Roseanne got herself canceled, just because she tweeted vile and racist things, which nobody could have seen coming.

Yet here we are. CNN has been going apeshit all afternoon about how Samantha Bee should say she’s sorry that she (a woman) used a word (“cunt”) that is very much a word she (a woman) can say if she wants. (We are a gay man, therefore that’s not our word. “Faggot” is, though, SMILEY EMOTICON.) She used it to describe the BEHAVIOR of another woman, Ivanka Trump, who YET AGAIN is being tone-deaf and doing absolutely nothing in her role as First Lady First Daughter/White House Job Haver to restrain the worst instincts of her shithole father. And of all the women in his life, SHE’S THE ONE WHO COULD DO SOMETHING, if she cared. If she wasn’t so “feckless,” if you will.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:32:00pm

re: #260 Targetpractice

So we’re back to arguing that full-blow racism is on par with a naughty word. And so long as we keep allowing ourselves to get involved in that argument, they’re going to keep gaining ground on us. Why? Because the wingnuts and media don’t mention the debate we’re engaged in, they show us a uniform group for the purposes of arguing “BOTH SIDES!”

No I don’t think we are. I think they are. And yes the media is definitely going to aid and abet.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:33:01pm
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lawhawk  May 31, 2018 • 2:33:03pm
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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:33:51pm

re: #264 lawhawk

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That’s a real apology.

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KGxvi  May 31, 2018 • 2:34:17pm

re: #210 Big Beautiful Door

Dow was down 251 points today thanks to Trump reigniting his trade war with our allies. The good news is that the price of oil has dropped as well, which should help a bit at the pump.

A recession/depression will probably also help at the pump… not that any of us will have anywhere to go.

I wonder if some other nation is going to announce that they are switching the majority of their reserve currency from dollars to Euros or pounds sterling.

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mmmirele  May 31, 2018 • 2:34:34pm

We’re doomed, aren’t we?

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lawhawk  May 31, 2018 • 2:34:38pm

The special snowflakes are all getting the vapors over Bee’s statement.

Fuck ‘em.

They use racist and bigoted words and think nothing of it.

They elected a bigot and racist to the WH and applaud him when he enables other bigotry and hate.

Fuck ‘em all. These racist fuckers deserve no quarter.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:35:06pm

re: #263 JordanRules

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NO COLLUSION.

WAIT MORE COLLUSION.

Trump and his administration do everything to screw our allies but man they love to give a helping hand to Russia but hey Hillary is the one who really colluded with Russia right? //

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 2:35:22pm

re: #257 teleskiguy

I think here that Trump is referring to swapping Rule of Law for a tax cut for the rich and a basketful of deplorable Federal judges. He and the GOP figure that’s a fair trade.

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MsJ  May 31, 2018 • 2:37:05pm

re: #257 teleskiguy

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:38:17pm

re: #271 MsJ

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He’s going to fuck up the economy and then when people get pissed off about it, he’ll blame Obama and you know what, the GOP will go along with it, the right wngers in the media will go along with it, and his cult certainly will. He’s a disgrace.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:38:18pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 2:38:27pm

There are worse, but they don’t have felony convictions.

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MsJ  May 31, 2018 • 2:38:58pm

re: #267 mmmirele

We’re doomed, aren’t we?

Pretty much.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:39:37pm

re: #273 JordanRules

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That needs to be spammed to every WH member.

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Eventual Carrion  May 31, 2018 • 2:39:45pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Larry Elder pretending he doesn’t understand that calling a black person an ape is racist as all hell.

That tells you everything you need to know about him.

Like the guy I went back and forth about the white power hand sign those nazi scum like to throw. His argument was how can I put a meaning to a hand signal. So I sent him this:

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Hope it renders alright.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:39:53pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 2:40:27pm

re: #275 MsJ

Pretty much.

YouTube

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:40:51pm

re: #278 JordanRules

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Nah, he just whines. Trump is either jacking himself off or complaining because someone isn’t jacking him off. Look at his tweets and tell me I’m wrong.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 2:41:54pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Nah, he just whines. Trump is either jacking himself off or complaining because someone isn’t jacking him off. Look at his tweets and tell me I’m wrong.

Peggy Noonan wrote an entire column basically saying that, back in 2017. Yours is much more concise.

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 2:41:55pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 31, 2018 • 2:41:58pm
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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:42:18pm
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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:42:18pm

re: #279 Blind Frog Belly White

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No disrespect to the Irish, the land of my paternal grandmother’s ancestors but I’m bothered that they’re seeing their problems past and present and confronting them head on i.e. legalizing SSM and choice whereas we, we have the Trumps. If I could do that Irish born great grandparent thing, I honestly would seriously consider it if I could get work over there.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 2:42:47pm

re: #262 JordanRules

No I don’t think we are. I think they are. And yes the media is definitely going to aid and abet.

Again, no offense, but how is arguing over a word or the timing anything but a concession that Bee’s actions are on a similar if not equal level with Barr’s? The more we try to hold ourselves to a higher standard, the more they hit us for not meeting that standard.

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KGxvi  May 31, 2018 • 2:43:03pm

re: #267 mmmirele

We’re doomed, aren’t we?

Valar morghulis, and all that. But for reasons I can’t explain, as this shitshow spins on, I remain optimistic that things will turn out alright in the end.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:43:22pm

re: #281 Blind Frog Belly White

Peggy Noonan wrote an entire column basically saying that, back in 2017. Yours is much more concise.

I hate to agree with Noonan but it’s pretty much true. He’s the most whiny person we’ve ever had in this office or honestly any office. Even McCarthy and Pitchfork Ben Tillman or Jesse Helms weren’t this pathetic when it came ot their demeanor.

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Renaissance_Man  May 31, 2018 • 2:44:11pm

re: #215 Anymouse 🌹

In my opinion, Franken resigning (despite being a powerful voice for the left) was the proper thing to do. He took that controversy off the table for the GOP to use in the elections (Franken was considering more than his own political future).

Again, no.

There is nothing that anyone can do or not do that will take something ‘off the table’ for cult attacks. Al Franken resigning or staying in, Samantha Bee apologising or not - what they do or do not do does not alter the possible attacks and responses from the cult in any way.

This is because the enemy is a cult. What happens in objective reality does not matter to what they can say. Whether Franken resigns or not, they can and will attack Democrats for anything they like. It does not matter what he does, which is why whether or not he resigns should have nothing to do with what the enemy might do. Their attacks literally include the widely-believed charge that Hillary Clinton ran a child sex ring out of a pizza shop basement. Should Hillary have resigned to prevent them using that attack? Should she publicly disavow pizza to ‘take that off the table’?

I cannot state this clearly enough. What we do - what positions we take, what actions we support, what policies we enact - must take into account many things, but most importantly, must take into account what is true, what is right, and what is just. What must never - NEVER - be considered is ‘what conservatives will say about it’. We do not share the same reality. We can’t ignore their reality, because it impacts ours, but the reverse is not true. We must overcome and drown out their reality, but we cannot modify our actions to try to influence it. That is not possible. You wouldn’t take a section out of your doctoral thesis because your neighbour’s cat wouldn’t like it. The same principle applies here.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 2:45:16pm

re: #288 HappyWarrior

I hate to agree with Noonan but it’s pretty much true. He’s the most whiny person we’ve ever had in this office or honestly any office. Even McCarthy and Pitchfork Ben Tillman or Jesse Helms weren’t this pathetic when it came ot their demeanor.

Blind pig. Acorn.

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jaunte  May 31, 2018 • 2:45:49pm

re: #289 Renaissance_Man

The Tan Suit Rule

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 2:46:15pm

re: #289 Renaissance_Man

Again, no.

There is nothing that anyone can do or not do that will take something ‘off the table’ for cult attacks. Al Franken resigning or staying in, Samantha Bee apologising or not - what they do or do not do does not alter the possible attacks and responses from the cult in any way.

This is because the enemy is a cult. What happens in objective reality does not matter to what they can say. Whether Franken resigns or not, they can and will attack Democrats for anything they like. It does not matter what he does, which is why whether or not he resigns should have nothing to do with what the enemy might do. Their attacks literally include the widely-believed charge that Hillary Clinton ran a child sex ring out of a pizza shop basement. Should Hillary have resigned to prevent them using that attack? Should she publicly disavow pizza to ‘take that off the table’?

I cannot state this clearly enough. What we do - what positions we take, what actions we support, what policies we enact - must take into account many things, but most importantly, must take into account what is true, what is right, and what is just. What must never - NEVER - be considered is ‘what conservatives will say about it’. We do not share the same reality. We can’t ignore their reality, because it impacts ours, but the reverse is not true. We must overcome and drown out their reality, but we cannot modify our actions to try to influence it. That is not possible. You wouldn’t take a section out of your doctoral thesis because your neighbour’s cat wouldn’t like it. The same principle applies here.

Preach it!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 2:46:38pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

He’s going to fuck up the economy and then when people get pissed off about it, he’ll blame Obama and you know what, the GOP will go along with it, the right wngers in the media will go along with it, and his cult certainly will. He’s a disgrace.

Reagan did the same thing in his second campaign, blaming Jimmy Carter for his Dumpster fire budget.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:47:52pm

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

Blind pig. Acorn.

I know man, I still feel dirty since she’s largely responsible for the Reagan personality cult.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:48:17pm

re: #293 Anymouse 🌹

Reagan did the same thing in his second campaign, blaming Jimmy Carter for his Dumpster fire budget.

Of course he did. That’s because Reagan was a shitty President that led the way for Trump.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 31, 2018 • 2:48:27pm

re: #215 Anymouse 🌹

The outrage was amongst conservatives, and the media duly did their stenographic duty. They wanted Al Franken’s scalp, and they were going to get it one way or another.

I’m pretty sure as a comedian they could have dug up any number of things on Franken.

In my opinion, Franken resigning (despite being a powerful voice for the left) was the proper thing to do. He took that controversy off the table for the GOP to use in the elections (Franken was considering more than his own political future).

And we should keep in mind, despite the worry about imbalance, that several Republicans have been taken down by sex scandals, which has resulted in Democratic gains, such as Roy Moore and Tim Murphy. And now a GOP Governor, Greitens, has resigned in disgrace.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 2:48:44pm

The wingnuts will attack us even if we police ourselves, and the media has shown it will hit us for doing the “right” thing as easily as it will the “wrong” thing, so who is it we’re impressing with these rushes to apologies and falling on swords? If you say “the voters,” I got a damn bridge I’m selling off for cheap.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 2:49:00pm

So, you think they outfitted Melania with some cement shoes, or do y’all think they went the Breaking Bad barrel route?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 2:50:09pm
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EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 2:51:18pm

re: #297 Targetpractice

The wingnuts will attack us even if we police ourselves, and the media has shown it will hit us for doing the “right” thing as easily as it will the “wrong” thing, so who is it we’re impressing with these rushes to apologies and falling on swords? If you say “the voters,” I got a damn bridge I’m selling off for cheap.

I like the counter-argument based on pure practicality. Samantha Bee’s use of c*** as part of a justified attack on Ivanka Trump was a mistake because it unified the right and split the left. That’s just bad politics.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:51:31pm

re: #286 Targetpractice

Again, no offense, but how is arguing over a word or the timing anything but a concession that Bee’s actions are on a similar if not equal level with Barr’s? The more we try to hold ourselves to a higher standard, the more they hit us for not meeting that standard.

Oh to be clear I’m really not arguing anything. I see both sides (no, not like that) of what folks are saying here. All views seem nuanced with good intentions. I was just answering your questions as I perceive it.

I could give a fuck either way honestly regarding if Sam should have said it, if she should have apologized and all that. I’ve seen it so many times that I’m just like, whatever. We have a Nazi traitor as President so I’m just not surprised by anything I guess and the playbook is so old. I don’t have anything useful here.

But I definitely have conflicted feelings generally about how we fight them and I don’t think it’s as simple as hitting like they do or conceding to their playing field. I still think about this a lot.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:51:39pm

re: #297 Targetpractice

The wingnuts will attack us even if we police ourselves, and the media has shown it will hit us for doing the “right” thing as easily as it will the “wrong” thing, so who is it we’re impressing with these rushes to apologies and falling on swords? If you say “the voters,” I got a damn bridge I’m selling off for cheap.

I don’t disagree with you there. I’m just more annoyed the focus is on the word rather than what Samantha Bee was rightfully angry at Ivanka about. That’s what sucks here. It’s not that we have to apologize and they don’t and that does suck believe me. No, what sucks is the discussion is about Samantha Bee calling Ivanka the c-word rather than Ivanka being a shitty fraud who acts like she’s a moral and upstanding person who does nothing while her father’s immigration policies separate families.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 2:51:42pm

re: #299 Anymouse 🌹

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 2:51:54pm

re: #298 teleskiguy

So, you think they outfitted Melania with some cement shoes, or do y’all think they went the Breaking Bad barrel route?

I’m still of the opinion she is meeting with her spy masters (as Trump’s handler).

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 2:52:25pm

re: #297 Targetpractice

My own opinion is, I should always do what is right regardless of how someone else may or may not appreciate it.

Regarding today’s brouhaha, the thing that I dislike is how much Bee’s comment has sucked the air out of what needs to be talked about - trade wars, and Trump’s sociopathic tweet about having fun in Texas.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 2:53:01pm

re: #298 teleskiguy

I’m taking a poll. Feel free to tweet to your followers!

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:53:06pm

re: #305 freetoken

My own opinion is, I should always do what is right regardless of how someone else may or may not appreciate it.

Regarding today’s brouhaha, the thing that I dislike is how much Bee’s comment has sucked the air out of what needs to be talked about - trade wars, and Trump’s sociopathic tweet about having fun in Texas.

Yeah the having fun tweet was pretty damn awful.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 2:53:17pm

Posted without further comment…

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KGxvi  May 31, 2018 • 2:53:31pm

re: #298 teleskiguy

So, you think they outfitted Melania with some cement shoes, or do y’all think they went the Breaking Bad barrel route?

I think she stopped at a vacuum cleaner repair shop and her Secret Service detail never saw her come out.

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EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 2:53:44pm

re: #304 Anymouse 🌹

I’m still of the opinion she is meeting with her spy masters (as Trump’s handler).

My personally preferred theory for Melania’s extended disappearance is that she is happily on a beach somewhere writing a tell-all book about Trump and having wild sex with a latino pool boy in her spare time.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 2:54:55pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

I like the counter-argument based on pure practicality. Samantha Bee’s use of c*** as part of a justified attack on Ivanka Trump was a mistake because it unified the right and split the left. That’s just bad politics.

What I’m getting hung up about is the society that keeps putting so much weight on that word. It’s a media that says “shit” is acceptable on TV, but “fuck” is still verboten. In the UK, Bee’s remarks would be passed off as another political commentator speaking their mind. Only in America is it treated as a national scandal.

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sagehen  May 31, 2018 • 2:55:40pm

re: #185 Jay C

Probably Yes and No, respectively.
The use of the presumably-more-offensive “cunt” is what makes the difference, though: maybe not here: but “here” (no offense meant, Lizards) isn’t where the main debate is going to take place…..

I’m surprised no one seems to have brought up Harry Truman yet in this context: he once publicly threatened to beat up a music critic who panned his daughter Margaret’s concert - and never apologized AFAICR - but then old Harry was accustomed to speaking out for himself (and made it clear he was reacting as a father, not the President): I notice The Donald has been personally silent (?) about the Sam Bee flap… typical.

Also, because it was the Washington Post and he was super-annoyed at them… he cancelled his subscription.

That’ll show them!

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 2:55:52pm

re: #310 EPR-radar

My personally preferred theory for Melania’s extended disappearance is that she is happily on a beach somewhere writing a tell-all book about Trump and having wild sex with a latino pool boy in her spare time.

That works. I don’t like Melania but she’s low on the Trump crooked spectrum. Her, Barron, and Tiffany. THat’s not a defense of Melania btw but I’d love it if she helped put some of the final nails in his back. Bonus points if she exposes some really embarrassing stuff about him too i.e. actually crying about the criticism of him.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 2:56:39pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

I saw him say the 7 words you can’t say on TV, live in Milwaukee. He was arrested but not charged. I was 14. I still know those words. All 7, in order.

ditto (thats not one of them)
from playing class clown over and over till there were no grooves left
also robert klein’s mind over matter

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 2:57:32pm

re: #301 JordanRules

Oh to be clear I’m really not arguing anything. I see both sides (no, not like that) of what folks are saying here. All views seem nuanced with good intentions. I was just answering your questions as I perceive it.

I could give a fuck either way honestly regarding if Sam should have said it, if she should have apologized and all that. I’ve seen it so many times that I’m just like, whatever. We have a Nazi traitor as President so I’m just not surprised by anything I guess and the playbook is so old. I don’t have anything useful here.

But I definitely have conflicted feelings generally about how we fight them and I don’t think it’s as simple as hitting like they do or conceding to their playing field. I still think about this a lot.

It’s an argument about whether or not the Marquess of Queensberry rules apply to what has become a bare-knuckled brawl.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 2:57:51pm

re: #311 Targetpractice

What I’m getting hung up about is the society that keeps putting so much weight on that word. It’s a media that says “shit” is acceptable on TV, but “fuck” is still verboten. In the UK, Bee’s remarks would be passed off as another political commentator speaking their mind. Only in America is it treated as a national scandal.

Just please be mindful of the women in this country who tell you it means something to them, even if it doesn’t fully make sense to you.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 2:58:32pm

From Rebecca Shoenkopf’s previous article on the faux-trage of conservatives today:

“Cunt” is a strong word! Many women have VERY STRONG REACTIONS to it! Few (American) women see it as a simple analogue to calling a man a dick (though some of us do, and I suspect we’re all Riot Grrl Gen X). I have had gentle readers calling my voicemail and screaming CUNT at me since the mid-late-’90s, which can be discomfiting! (Discomfiting, anyway, to the men in the office, who listened to the voicemails and said, gingerly, “you know nobody calls us and screams like that, right?”) And yes, when people call me a cunt — which is prettttty often — it sometimes hurts my feelings. It’s supposed to. That’s its point.

Why did Bee call Ivanka Trump a cunt? For showing Madonna and Child Instys of her glowing with baby while the rest of the nation — even rightwingers — stood shocked at refugee toddlers being ripped from their parents in the U S of A.

Did she lie? And DID SHE STUTTER?

I have hurt people’s feelings by calling Jill Stein a cunt, which I don’t regret (I am sorry for calling her the ageist “hag”), and stunned my undergrads into silence by accidentally calling Barbara Bush one. (I opened my mouth and it just came out!)

(more)

Oh Did Sam Bee Hurt Your Virgin Ears?

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 2:59:12pm

re: #316 JordanRules

Just please be mindful of the women in this country who tell you it means something to them, even if it doesn’t fully make sense to you.

I’m afraid I’m going to have to point back to my earlier post. If I started lecturing women here about how I don’t feel “dick” is acceptable to use in polite company, would they be as accepting? Or would I receive withering looks because I’m a guy?

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wrenchwench  May 31, 2018 • 2:59:19pm

re: #314 dangerman

ditto (thats not one of them)
from playing class clown over and over till there were no grooves left
also robert klein’s mind over matter

Did ya ever put a nickel on the tone arm?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 2:59:31pm

re: #315 Targetpractice

It’s an argument about whether or not the Marquess of Queensberry rules apply to what has become a bare-knuckled brawl.

I’m of two minds. On the one hand, I tend to believe that there are no rules in a fight for your life. OTOH, I don’t want to become them to beat them.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:00:43pm

re: #183 Targetpractice

I think I’ll deal Richard Pryor and Chevy Chase into this discussion:

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i saw that live
honkey honkey

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 3:01:08pm

re: #320 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m of two minds. On the one hand, I tend to believe that there are no rules in a fight for your life. OTOH, I don’t want to become them to beat them.

I’m of the WMD persuasion: If both sides follow the same rules, then there’s no problem. But when one side is regularly lobbing nukes and the other is arguing over whether a nuclear response is justified, there’s only going to be one winner. And it’s not going to be a “moral victory.”

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Big Beautiful Door  May 31, 2018 • 3:02:59pm

re: #266 KGxvi

A recession/depression will probably also help at the pump… not that any of us will have anywhere to go.

I wonder if some other nation is going to announce that they are switching the majority of their reserve currency from dollars to Euros or pounds sterling.

I seriously doubt it. With Brexit looming, they both have their own problems.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 3:03:22pm

re: #315 Targetpractice

It’s an argument about whether or not the Marquess of Queensberry rules apply to what has become a bare-knuckled brawl.

Oh I wish it were that cut and dry.

So remember how the 1500 missing children story blew up and we had so much damn momentum and moral high ground with it?
Then it became conflated with the new policy of seperating families at the border.
Then because there are always good liberal experts actually working on the ground, we got really good additional info about how the 2 stories got intertwined and how we could literally put more children in danger if we don’t do this right. Should we have just forged ahead in battle with the original narrative because it worked and because we got the momentum and the attention or should we slow the fuck down and try to do right by the children?

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:03:55pm

re: #190 BeachDem

I know women who are offended at the word bitch (I, personally, wear it as a badge of honor). Although I’m not overly fond of the word cunt, **it’s just a fucking word**, and if (when) somebody called me that, after I registered mild shock, I would try to unravel what action I had taken to incite the invective. YMMV

its only a small stretch to bitchdem if you wanted to
and as long as we’re playing word games, ** yes, literally

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KGxvi  May 31, 2018 • 3:05:56pm

re: #323 Big Beautiful Door

I seriously doubt it. With Brexit looming, they both have their own problems.

Apparently, the Euro already makes up about 20% of reserve currencies around the world. The US dollar still leads at 60% or so, but if that dropped even to 50%, with that 10% being spread over the Euro, Yen, and Pound (the three next largest)… I suspect things would get a bit nasty here

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 3:06:03pm

re: #318 Targetpractice

I’m afraid I’m going to have to point back to my earlier post. If I started lecturing women here about how I don’t feel “dick” is acceptable to use in polite company, would they be as accepting? Or would I receive withering looks because I’m a guy?

Okay so you didn’t get my reference to why the word cracker and the N-word are not the same then? Patriarchy and White Supremecy are real but carry on.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 3:06:18pm

re: #325 dangerman

its only a small stretch to bitchdem if you wanted to
and as long as we’re playing word games, ** yes, literally

Speaking of word games, the other night I accidently reparsed your handle from ‘Danger Man’ into ‘Dan German’, and now I’m stuck with it.

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EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 3:07:13pm

re: #315 Targetpractice

It’s an argument about whether or not the Marquess of Queensberry rules apply to what has become a bare-knuckled brawl.

Even if we consider it as a pure tactical issue in political activism, I fail to see a good argument for using the c-word in that context. Like it or not, that’s going to split the left and scare off swing voters, and that’s just bad politics. There is no apparent benefit at all that could offset this disadvantage, so there really is a surprising amount of debate for something that seems to be such a no-brainer.

The English language is inordinately rich when it comes to insults etc., so there are certainly adequate ways to describe the moral depravity of Princess Ivanka Trump that aren’t own goals.

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gocart mozart  May 31, 2018 • 3:07:53pm
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TedStriker  May 31, 2018 • 3:08:14pm

re: #315 Targetpractice

It’s an argument about whether or not the Marquess of Queensberry rules apply to what has become a bare-knuckled brawl.

When our opponents have absolutely no problems fighting dirty, because they fight to win.

A lot of Democrats, especially those in positions to do something about it, still haven’t gotten that to sink in.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:08:38pm

re: #176 Targetpractice

So if Bee had said “bitch” instead of “cunt,” would the outrage have been as loud? Would we be as hesitant to defend her?

i will reiterate

- i think full frontal was being their own usual selves - not necessarily trying to create an “issue”
- i think using almost any other word and this conversation would not have happened anywhere - even the WH
the word gave them an excuse
any other word and the whole FF episode never hits anybody’s radar

finally, some people are forcing a circle back to immigration, which is the point

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gocart mozart  May 31, 2018 • 3:08:40pm
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EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 3:09:29pm

re: #331 TedStriker

When our opponents have absolutely no problems fighting dirty, because they fight to win.

A lot of Democrats, especially those in positions to do something about it, still haven’t gotten that to sink in.

How is calling Ivanka Trump a c*** fighting to win? That’s the part I don’t get. I see it as fighting to lose.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 3:09:35pm

re: #333 gocart mozart

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Ha I was going to say.

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gocart mozart  May 31, 2018 • 3:10:45pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2018 • 3:11:10pm

re: #334 EPR-radar

How is calling Ivanka Trump a c*** fighting to win? That’s the part I don’t get. I see it as fighting to lose.

My only problem with it is that it feeds the spectacle and helps them distract from the thing that inspired the (accurate) invective, their own evil.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 3:12:28pm

re: #327 JordanRules

Okay so you didn’t get my reference to why the word cracker and the N-word are not the same then? Patriarcy and White Supremecy are real but carry on.

Switching the targets doesn’t make things any less sexist or racist, so why is it more acceptable? If Jarrett had made racist remarks about Barr, would we be nodding in approval?

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TedStriker  May 31, 2018 • 3:13:02pm

re: #334 EPR-radar

How is calling Ivanka Trump a c*** fighting to win? That’s the part I don’t get. I see it as fighting to lose.

I was speaking in general, not about the Sam Bee thing.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:14:45pm

re: #229 jaunte

This makes my head feel like it’s going to explode. While I was banging that un-exploded head against a wall trying to get the administration to act like an ethics program is a thing, the president was pushing the nation’s TOP LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL to commit ethics violations.

and im sure he did it all three times using only the nicest language //

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 31, 2018 • 3:15:16pm

It’s probably already been posted - but if not, Kathy Griffin’s Twitter “Moment” about the difference between what a comedian says, and how Trump uses the White House to crush his enemies in a vicious, vindictive way - aided and abetted by the right-wing media, and a cowardly MSM - is worth reading

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Skip Intro  May 31, 2018 • 3:15:19pm

re: #337 goddamnedfrank

My only problem with it is that it feeds the spectacle and helps them distract from the thing that inspired the (accurate) invective, their own evil.

Our side can make zero mistakes. One tasteless comment by one of ours negates thousands of tasteless comments by them.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:15:32pm

re: #233 Anymouse 🌹

Once again I appeal to Mr. Johnson to install that “once a month” +100 upfist button.

Perhaps he can make a game out of it, like the “hyperspace” button in Asteroids. Most of the time you use it, it works okay. Once in a while, it puts you in time-out or suspends your ability to upfist for a week or something.

given today, you sure?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 3:16:32pm

re: #338 Targetpractice

Switching the targets doesn’t make things any less sexist or racist, so why is it more acceptable? If Jarrett had made racist remarks about Barr, would we be nodding in approval?

Yeah, she should lose her TV show.
////

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 31, 2018 • 3:17:24pm

Yeah, that’s the part that gets me.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 31, 2018 • 3:17:42pm

re: #318 Targetpractice

I’m afraid I’m going to have to point back to my earlier post. If I started lecturing women here about how I don’t feel “dick” is acceptable to use in polite company, would they be as accepting? Or would I receive withering looks because I’m a guy?

OK, you seem to be having a hard time understanding the power imbalance between men and women, and how certain words are used by misogynists to put women in their place, like the n-word is used to put African-Americans in their place.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 3:18:04pm

re: #338 Targetpractice

Switching the targets doesn’t make things any less sexist or racist, so why is it more acceptable? If Jarrett had made racist remarks about Barr, would we be nodding in approval?

Yes it does. It absolutely does. That’s the nature of those isms, the targets, the power, the systems. I will look for something more scholarly for you to consider because I just don’t have it in me nor can I explain it as well as others have.

Reverse racism is not a thing. Toxic feminity is not a thing.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 31, 2018 • 3:18:36pm

Tom Arnold is a self-destructive Iowa farmboy doofus, but he has a way with words …

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EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 3:19:05pm

re: #342 Skip Intro

Our side can make zero mistakes. One tasteless comment by one of ours negates thousands of tasteless comments by them.

That’s just the reality that has to be accepted. With respect to the Samantha Bee case, she’s smart enough to know this, and is obliged to tune her rhetoric to hit as hard as possible without doing an own goal.

Meanwhile the RWNJ sewers churn out mass volumes of toxic racist, sexist and homophobic shit because that’s what fucking deplorables do for entertainment.

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gocart mozart  May 31, 2018 • 3:19:27pm
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SteelPH  May 31, 2018 • 3:19:28pm

I am so completely out of fucks to give. Wingnuts would have outraged regardless, they just happened to find an easy target.

I do not give a flying fuck about Bee using ‘cunt’. Not at all. I just. Don’t. Care.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 3:20:09pm

re: #320 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m of two minds. On the one hand, I tend to believe that there are no rules in a fight for your life. OTOH, I don’t want to become them to beat them.

Indeed!

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:20:28pm

re: #268 lawhawk

The special snowflakes are all getting the vapors over Bee’s statement.

Fuck ‘em.

They use racist and bigoted words and think nothing of it.

They elected a bigot and racist to the WH and applaud him when he enables other bigotry and hate.

Fuck ‘em all. These racist fuckers deserve no quarter.

going forward use “feckless” everywhere and anywhere possible

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Skip Intro  May 31, 2018 • 3:20:40pm

re: #350 gocart mozart

Within five minutes Trump will make himself the big victim here. Just watch.

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gocart mozart  May 31, 2018 • 3:21:05pm
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Unshaken Defiance  May 31, 2018 • 3:22:18pm

re: #342 Skip Intro

Our side can make zero mistakes. One tasteless comment by one of ours negates thousands of tasteless comments by them.

IMHO-That’s why you don’t let the enemy set the terms of the argument, the debate, the language or the battle. You don’t accept the obviously wrong like the hypocrisies, the rolling goal posts or the way they shape the language. Push back on every facet. My example today-Donald Trump answers for his horrible tweets from last week/month/year before we even entertain the mistakes of anyone else (especially on our side) today.

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Romantic Heretic  May 31, 2018 • 3:23:15pm

re: #6 jaunte

This is why I call them aristocrats or barbarians rather than conservatives.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 3:23:39pm

re: #353 dangerman

going forward use “feckless” everywhere and anywhere possible

Yeah shoutout to feckless which got a lot of love today!

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:23:55pm

re: #289 Renaissance_Man

I cannot state this clearly enough. What we do - what positions we take, what actions we support, what policies we enact - must take into account many things, but most importantly, must take into account what is true, what is right, and what is just. What must never - NEVER - be considered is ‘what conservatives will say about it’. We do not share the same reality. We can’t ignore their reality, because it impacts ours, but the reverse is not true. We must overcome and drown out their reality, but we cannot modify our actions to try to influence it. That is not possible. You wouldn’t take a section out of your doctoral thesis because your neighbour’s cat wouldn’t like it. The same principle applies here.

quoted for fundamental truth

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makeitstop  May 31, 2018 • 3:24:32pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Melania, shut up.

Better yet, step in front of a microphone and cameras and say it yourself.

If the black eye has healed, that is.
/

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 3:26:06pm

Gee, if only Congress was the entity responsible for setting tariffs, rather than the President.
/////

You feckless gobshite! Repeal the statute he’s using to fuck with trade! Make him come to Congress and beg for these tariffs instead of bending over and grabbing your collective ankles!!

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 3:27:04pm

re: #359 dangerman

quoted for fundamental truth

Quoted for co-sign of fundamental truth.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:27:09pm

re: #319 wrenchwench

Did ya ever put a nickel on the tone arm?

certainement

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 3:27:42pm

re: #347 JordanRules

Yes it does. It absolutely does. That’s the nature of those isms, the targets, the power, the systems. I will look for something more scholarly for you to consider because I just don’t have it in me nor can I explain it as well as others have.

Reverse racism is not a thing. Toxic feminity is not a thing.

I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that those lizards getting the most uptight about Bee’s word choice are not men. Just as those of us asking what the big deal is are not women. And instead of meeting a mutual middle where we agree the word choice regrettable but the outrage overblown, we’re instead engaged in a debate over just how fucked she is and how much she deserves it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 3:28:57pm

re: #363 dangerman

certainement

Ever have the same side of an album play 8 times in a row because you were making out very successfully and didn’t want to interrupt the flow to flip the record?

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 3:28:58pm

I’m listening to Toledo Window Box by George Carlin, I have to transcribe this joke of his.

Here’s a statement of an anti-pornography dude, kind of an anti-smut man. And words, what you select tell a lot about you. “Our thrust is to prick holes in the stiff front erected by the smut dealers. We must keep mounting an offensive to penetrate any crack in his defenses, so we can lay to rest his dominant position. We want him hung and we want fast action. Let’s get on ‘em, let’s ram through a stiff bail law so it’ll be hard for him to get it up. We’ve got to come together so we can whip this thing into submission. It’ll be hard on us but can’t lick it by being soft!”

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:29:25pm

re: #328 Blind Frog Belly White

Speaking of word games, the other night I accidently reparsed your handle from ‘Danger Man’ into ‘Dan German’, and now I’m stuck with it.

there is a random Dan German out there whose email is constantly directed to me

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 3:31:24pm

re: #367 dangerman

there is a random Dan German out there whose email is constantly directed to me

One of my exes father is named Dan German.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 3:31:56pm

re: #364 Targetpractice

I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that those lizards getting the most uptight about Bee’s word choice are not men. Just as those of us asking what the big deal is are not women. And instead of meeting a mutual middle where we agree the word choice regrettable but the outrage overblown, we’re instead engaged in a debate over just how fucked she is and how much she deserves it.

There’s generally such a big difference between a member of the dominant group calling a nonmember by a derogatory epithet, and a nonmember calling another nonmember the same thing that I’m not sure that’s true.

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Jack Burton  May 31, 2018 • 3:33:14pm

re: #333 gocart mozart

“The American Senate will no longer be of concern to us. I’ve just received word that Fuckface von Clownstick has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old America have been swept away.” - Grand Moff Kelly

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 3:33:38pm

re: #368 teleskiguy

One of my exes father is named Dan German.

And immediately my mind went to “Protection? From who? Zee Germans?”

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 3:34:50pm

re: #369 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s generally a big difference between a member of the dominant group calling a nonmember by a derogatory epithet, a nonmember calling another nonmember the same thing that I’m not sure that’s true.

That’s what’s getting to me. If it had been Maher or Olbermann who called Ivanka a “cunt,” I’d be totally there with folks screaming that its wrong and sexist, a man trying to strip a woman of her power.

But one woman calling another woman a “cunt” would usually be (to me) a non-issue. That it has blown up in such a way has left me absolutely flabbergasted.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:35:14pm

re: #358 JordanRules

Yeah shoutout to feckless which got a lot of love today!

it will tie it forever to this in the most beautifully subtle way

and nothing they can do about it

an equivalent to the tuba bands and clown posses coming out to counter the white supremacist rallies

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 3:35:19pm

re: #371 Blind Frog Belly White

And immediately my mind went to “Protection? From who? Zee Germans?”

Giphy

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 3:36:10pm

re: #374 teleskiguy

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“I thought it was us who wanted to buy a caravan.”

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:37:05pm

re: #365 Blind Frog Belly White

Ever have the same side of an album play 8 times in a row because you were making out very successfully and didn’t want to interrupt the flow to flip the record?

In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida
1973 i think

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 3:37:35pm

re: #372 Targetpractice

That’s what’s getting to me. If it had been Maher or Olbermann who called Ivanka a “cunt,” I’d be totally there with folks screaming that its wrong and sexist, a man trying to strip a woman of her power.

But one woman calling another woman a “cunt” would usually be (to me) a non-issue. That it has blown up in such a way has left me absolutely flabbergasted.

Cue the knuckledraggers asking that if women can call each other c***s, why can’t they call them that?

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 3:37:45pm

Gonna go to my happy place for a moment:

Fallout 76 – Official Teaser Trailer

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:37:56pm

re: #368 teleskiguy

One of my exes father is named Dan German.

tell him he can come by for his email any time

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 3:38:18pm

re: #364 Targetpractice

I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that those lizards getting the most uptight about Bee’s word choice are not men. Just as those of us asking what the big deal is are not women. And instead of meeting a mutual middle where we agree the word choice regrettable but the outrage overblown, we’re instead engaged in a debate over just how fucked she is and how much she deserves it.

I know we all agree about the outrage for sure. And we know this is what they and their media institutions do. We’ve seen it before a million times and we’ll see it again within 72 hours I’d bet.

They are horrible people who aren’t acting in good faith and we’re all trying to figure out how to quarantine the deplorables. It’s tiring because they have soooo many systemic and institutional advantages…and they also have no heart and soul.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 3:38:21pm

re: #376 dangerman

In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida
1973 i think

Seals and Crofts “Summer Breeze”, Fall of 1976.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 3:39:14pm

re: #380 JordanRules

I know we all agree about the outrage for sure. And we know this is what they and their media institutions do. We’ve seen it before a million times and we’ll see it again within 72 hours I’d bet.

They are horrible people who aren’t acting in good faith and we’re all trying to figure out how to quarantine the deplorables. It’s tiring because they have soooo many systemic and institutional advantages…and they also have no heart and soul.

Well, I have a heart, but I sold my soul to rock & roll.

//

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EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 3:40:21pm

re: #377 Blind Frog Belly White

Cue the knuckledraggers asking that if women can call each other c***s, why can’t they call them that?

In the context of a political attack, I don’t think it is ever acceptable for a black person to call another black person a n*****. I’m clueless about the use of the n-word in entertainment (rap etc.), which is why I’ve specified the context.

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Interesting Times  May 31, 2018 • 3:40:25pm

re: #353 dangerman

going forward use “feckless” everywhere and anywhere possible

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Unshaken Defiance  May 31, 2018 • 3:40:31pm

It’s a very difficult thing to hold the same standard to an enemy and a friend. Some insults are more subjective than others. Some words are beyond the pale. That’s why we say the “C” word and the “N” word instead of saying it through.

Seems to me we had a consensus, dated back maybe to about the “Kramers” N word shitfit at audience members at a comedy club. Black Americans convinced me to self ban the “N” word, women convinced me to do the same with the “C” word.

All that having been said, false equivalences are still and always false. Goalposts need not get an EPA miles per gallon rating. The C word and Samantha got exploited today, and the damage is surely done. Recognize an exploit, call it and see what’s next. I think we stick to our “guns” um, well better said our principles. Relentlessly

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 3:40:52pm

re: #377 Blind Frog Belly White

Cue the knuckledraggers asking that if women can call each other c***s, why can’t they call them that?

It’s not even that, it’s those of us non-knuckledraggers who are scratching our heads because we thought that women calling each other “cunt” was perfectly acceptable even if we men are forbidden from doing so.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 3:41:27pm

re: #372 Targetpractice

That’s what’s getting to me. If it had been Maher or Olbermann who called Ivanka a “cunt,” I’d be totally there with folks screaming that its wrong and sexist, a man trying to strip a woman of her power.

But one woman calling another woman a “cunt” would usually be (to me) a non-issue. That it has blown up in such a way has left me absolutely flabbergasted.

It’s blown up by the right and the media and it’s fake. Most on our side are making totally different, internal calculations. Nobody on the left is buying this bullshit wholesale from what I can see.

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Jack Burton  May 31, 2018 • 3:41:35pm

re: #378 Targetpractice

As more is revealed, I’m pretty sure that whole thing is just going to piss me off. Bethesda seems to be turning into EA. “People don’t want story driven single player games anymore” (read: We can’t figure out how to screw people with play-to-win micro-transactions in those.)

Meanwhile…. ignore God of War over there.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:43:23pm

OT: tonight’s dinner is leftovers of this recipe:

4# chicken legs and thighs
2 egg beaters + 1/8 c water
1 c bread crumbs, 1/4 c wheat germ, 1 tsp salt, 1 tsp onion powder, 1 tsp garlic powder, 2 tsp parsley, 1/2 tsp paprika

dip in the egg
coat with the dry
325 for 40 minutes, turn, then 40 more

yum doesnt begin to describe it

PS: i dont think Sam Bee planned for this to happen.
Now i’d wager she is planning something

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 3:44:21pm

re: #388 Jack Burton

As more is revealed, I’m pretty sure that whole thing is just going to piss me off. Bethesda seems to be turning into EA. “People don’t want story driven single player games anymore” (read: We can’t figure out how to screw people with play-to-win micro-transactions in those.)

Meanwhile…. ignore God of War over there.

While I like story-driven single player, I will among the first to admit that Bethsoft’s last two installments in the Fallout universe have been…less than stellar. I think it says a lot that more people fondly remember New Vegas than they do FO3.

That said, there were a lot of people who have wanted since FO3 came out for there to be a multiplayer Fallout game. If this keeps them happy while we wait for FO5 or another NV-style game, then I’m at least willing to give it a chance.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 3:44:36pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 3:46:43pm

re: #386 Targetpractice

It’s not even that, it’s those of us non-knuckledraggers who are scratching our heads because we thought that women calling each other “cunt” was perfectly acceptable even if we men are forbidden from doing so.

I don’t think I ever got the impression it was perfectly acceptable. But it definitely is a whole hell of a lot more loaded when it’s a guy saying it, because of when guys tend to say it, like when women turn down their advances, where it takes on an implicit tone of threat.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:46:56pm

re: #383 EPR-radar

In the context of a political attack, I don’t think it is ever acceptable for a black person to call another black person a n*****. I’m clueless about the use of the n-word in entertainment (rap etc.), which is why I’ve specified the context.

saw david letterman interview jay-z (netflix?, amazon?)

he said basically by adopting the word and using it so much, they took all the power out of it. they created a new definition for the word. for themselves. context and intent matter.

doesnt change when a white person misues it

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 3:47:40pm

re: #387 JordanRules

It’s blown up by the right and the media and it’s fake. Most on our side are making totally different, internal calculations. Nobody on the left is buying this bullshit wholesale from what I can see.

My biggest worry now is that, since it appears the suits forced an apology from Bee, they’re now going to take this opportunity to restrain her where in the past they may have been unable to because of the success of her show.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 3:47:58pm

re: #391 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

I was gonna say “They opened for The Who”, but it sounded really suggestive.

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Jack Burton  May 31, 2018 • 3:49:17pm

re: #390 Targetpractice

That said, there were a lot of people who have wanted since FO3 came out for there to be a multiplayer Fallout game. If this keeps them happy while we wait for FO5 or another NV-style game, then I’m at least willing to give it a chance.

These are people that don’t seem to grasp the fact that once they make a multiplayer-centric (rather than a shoe-horned in mode) version of a game in a series…. Its over. You will never see it again.

There’s no Warcraft 4. No Knights of the Old Republic 3. Remains to be seen if an Elder Scrolls 6 ever sees the light of day. I’ve been against a Fallout MMO since the first peep about it over 10 years ago.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 3:49:43pm

re: #394 Targetpractice

My biggest worry now is that, since it appears the suits forced an apology from Bee, they’re now going to take this opportunity to restrain her where in the past they may have been unable to because of the success of her show.

I definitely think that is more likely to happen than them getting rid of her. And we may never know how bad it might get for her behind the scenes. But she always has Netflix to consider for her next contract.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 3:52:51pm

re: #389 dangerman

OT: tonight’s dinner is leftovers of this recipe:

4# chicken legs and thighs
2 egg beaters + 1/8 c water
1 c bread crumbs, 1/4 c wheat germ, 1 tsp salt, 1 tsp onion powder, 1 tsp garlic powder, 2 tsp parsley, 1/2 tsp paprika

dip in the egg
coat with the dry
325 for 40 minutes, turn, then 40 more

yum doesnt begin to describe it

PS: i dont think Sam Bee planned for this to happen.
Now i’d wager she is planning something

Yum!

I hope she goes all in!!
They might really try to deport her tho. :(

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 3:56:54pm

Here’s where we have to focus in this: the moment the White House started calling for Full Frontal to be closed, they are violating the constitution. That moves this beyond a vulgar word.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 31, 2018 • 3:56:55pm

Does anyone think that a different choice of words would have ruined the poignancy of what she was pointing out at the time? Not me fwiw. “hypocritical tyrant fucking bitch” would have served just as well.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 3:57:51pm

re: #376 dangerman

In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida
1973 i think

ps - hearing full length In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida over and over (and over and over and) will change your world view

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Interesting Times  May 31, 2018 • 3:58:09pm

re: #400 Unshaken Defiance

Does anyone think that a different choice of words would have ruined the poignancy of what she was pointing out at the time? Not me fwiw. “hypocritical tyrant fucking bitch” would have served just as well.

Or “Feckless Fraud.” It has alliteration and everything (and obliquely alludes to Ivanka’s own corruption)

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mmmirele  May 31, 2018 • 3:58:11pm

I’m merely a rock in the shoe of the Sovereign Grace churches, what with my Sunday picketing. The Washington Post has just published an article called

The sin of silence

The epidemic of denial about sexual abuse in the evangelical church.

It centers around Rachael Denhollander, the woman who was the first to go to the police about Larry Nassar’s sexual abuse of gymnasts. She was also sexually abused at a bible study as a girl and the reaction she got when she reported it basically encouraged her silence when it came to Nasser.

More importantly, particularly for me, she had a run-in with a Baptist church that had invited CJ Mahaney of Sovereign Grace to speak and she was asked to leave the church. The article details what happened.

I am HOPING that this will be the stick that gets Sovereign Grace to agree to the independent investigation their leadership told me they would not agree to last month when I was in Louisville. I’m just one person, but when a national newspaper makes you look like complete jerks, maybe then you’ll change your mind.

washingtonpost.com

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Unshaken Defiance  May 31, 2018 • 3:58:20pm

re: #399 Belafon

Here’s where we have to focus in this: the moment the White House started calling for Full Frontal to be closed, they are violating the constitution. That moves this beyond a vulgar word.

Yup. Stick to that. There may be a federal law about elected officials I gotta look into.

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 3:58:41pm

re: #394 Targetpractice

My biggest worry now is that, since it appears the suits forced an apology from Bee, they’re now going to take this opportunity to restrain her where in the past they may have been unable to because of the success of her show.

We will have to see, but I hope they see that the apology brought them nothing but Trump thinking he can control them.

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 3:59:34pm

re: #404 Unshaken Defiance

Yup. Stick to that. There may be a federal law about elected officials I gotta look into.

There are specific statutes I believe, but I’m also thinking it’s a straight up first amendment case.

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EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 3:59:56pm

re: #400 Unshaken Defiance

Does anyone think that a different choice of words would have ruined the poignancy of what she was pointing out at the time? Not me fwiw. “hypocritical tyrant fucking bitch” would have served just as well.

There are countless way the job could have been done without the own goal. As pointed out upthread, you can’t let RWNJ howling drive your agenda because they howl about everything.

That said, there’s no reason to make it easy for the howler chorus to act.

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wrenchwench  May 31, 2018 • 4:00:36pm

re: #401 dangerman

ps - hearing full length In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida over and over (and over and over and) will change your world view

For the better? Or…?

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 4:05:09pm

re: #396 Jack Burton

These are people that don’t seem to grasp the fact that once they make a multiplayer-centric (rather than a shoe-horned in mode) version of a game in a series…. Its over. You will never see it again.

There’s no Warcraft 4. No Knights of the Old Republic 3. Remains to be seen if an Elder Scrolls 6 ever sees the light of day. I’ve been against a Fallout MMO since the first peep about it over 10 years ago.

Unless they say something different at EA in two weeks, then it doesn’t look like another ESO but more like The Forest or ARK. Basically taking the community building aspect of FO4 that everybody began to hate because it was like keeping numerous plates spinning while shooting mutants in-between and turning it into an open-world survival game. If that gets me a FO5 where I’m not told every 5 minutes that another settlement needs help, I’ll gladly take it.

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Varek Raith  May 31, 2018 • 4:07:46pm

Good evening.

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dangerman  May 31, 2018 • 4:09:15pm

re: #408 wrenchwench

For the better? Or…?

oh absolutely

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Ace Rothstein  May 31, 2018 • 4:10:08pm

re: #366 teleskiguy

A genius that I miss every day.

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TedStriker  May 31, 2018 • 4:11:23pm

re: #381 Blind Frog Belly White

Seals and Crofts “Summer Breeze”, Fall of 1976.

While I love Seals & Crofts’ original, the Isley Brothers’ cover has become my favorite version of the song.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 4:15:36pm

re: #410 Varek Raith

Good evening.

What’s so good about it?!

//

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Varek Raith  May 31, 2018 • 4:15:39pm

Evertything these days just has to be multiplayer, whether it works for that franchise or not.
/Totally not bitter

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Varek Raith  May 31, 2018 • 4:17:09pm

Sigh, Windows 10 nagging me for a restart. BRB.

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Barefoot Grin  May 31, 2018 • 4:20:28pm

Just heard an interview with a 103-yo survivor of the Tulsa Massacre that occurred on this day in 1921 where a middle class black neighborhood was razed, hundreds sent to the hospital, and perhaps 300 killed.

If you bring this up with Trumpists, they will certainly find a way to conclude “it was Democrats that did it!”

en.wikipedia.org

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 4:21:34pm

re: #416 Varek Raith

Sigh, Windows 10 nagging me for a restart. BRB.

Wow, it asks you? My workstation generally just starts running R…E…A…L…L…Y……S…L…O…W…L…Y when it wants rebooted for an update.

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mmmirele  May 31, 2018 • 4:21:45pm

Did this get posted? AmyMek (not putting an @ in front of the Twitter handle), an Islamophobic Twitterer, was once considered a bot for the amount of Twittering she did. It turns out she’s a real person named Amy Jane Mekelburg.

huffingtonpost.com

She’s also VERY unhappy about this article, and is trying to whip up her flying monkeys to attack the reporter.

(thread, if you can deal with it)

The replies are a sewer. I hope Luke O’Brien has some sort of protection. These people are crazy.

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gocart mozart  May 31, 2018 • 4:22:04pm
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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 4:22:38pm

re: #417 Barefoot Grin

Just heard an interview with a 103-yo survivor of the Tulsa Massacre that occurred on this day in 1921 where a middle class black neighborhood was razed, hundreds sent to the hospital, and perhaps 300 killed.

If you bring this up with Trumpists, they will certainly find a way to conclude “it was Democrats that did it!”

en.wikipedia.org

“Yes, Democrats were probably the majority involved. But, eventually we stopped voting for racists, or letting them have a platform in our party.”

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 4:23:02pm

re: #334 EPR-radar

How is calling Ivanka Trump a c*** fighting to win? That’s the part I don’t get. I see it as fighting to lose.

Samantha Bee is not a politician. She is a comedienne. By next week, conservatives will have moved on to a new fauxtrage. It’s what they do.

They are mad because she called out Ivanka Trump. Had she just stuck with “feckless” they’d be in a poutrage over that.

They were calling Hillary Clinton the same thing on their t-shirts during the campaign. When she walked back her “basket of deplorables” statement, did they say “thank you let’s move on now?” Clinton’s response to the press should have been “prove me wrong.”

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mmmirele  May 31, 2018 • 4:23:22pm

re: #418 Blind Frog Belly White

Wow, it asks you? My workstation generally just starts running R…E…A…L…L…Y……S…L…O…W…L…Y when it wants rebooted for an update.

At the evil too big to fail employer, software will be pushed out to the laptop/desktop, then a 90 minute countdown starts before the box is automatically rebooted. It had to be done that way, because some people would simply never reboot their computers if they didn’t have to.

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blueraven  May 31, 2018 • 4:24:35pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Aussies and Brits look at us Americans getting the vapors over the C-word and just shake their heads.

I don’t care for the word, but if anyone deserves to be called that, it is Ivanka.

Maybe Samantha Bee doesn’t really “get” how bad it is here. She shouldn’t have used it (more for her own self preservation) but Trump and co. should stay the hell out of it. When he and his cohorts enter into it and apply pressure then it really is a free speech/first amendment issue. Just like the NFL/kneeling.

Chilling.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 4:24:58pm

re: #423 mmmirele

At the evil too big to fail employer, software will be pushed out to the laptop/desktop, then a 90 minute countdown starts before the box is automatically rebooted. It had to be done that way, because some people would simply never reboot their computers if they didn’t have to.

Hey, at least they stopped pushing obvious beta software upon us after the failure of Vista.

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Belafon  May 31, 2018 • 4:25:10pm

re: #422 Anymouse 🌹

The original name of the PAC was Citizens United Not Timid for a reason.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 4:27:52pm

re: #422 Anymouse 🌹

Samantha Bee is not a politician. She is a comedienne. By next week, conservatives will have moved on to a new fauxtrage. It’s what they do.

They are mad because she called out Ivanka Trump. Had she just stuck with “feckless” they’d be in a poutrage over that.

They were calling Hillary Clinton the same thing on their t-shirts during the campaign. When she walked back her “basket of deplorables” statement, did they say “thank you let’s move on now?” Clinton’s response to the press should have been “prove me wrong.”

I think what you’re missing is the middle wouldn’t be obessing if she had just used feckless or enabler. It’s the word she used. You may not like it, I may not like it, and I sure as hell don’t like the double standard bullshit form this administration that had people chant TRUMP THAT BITCH at their rallies but there are people that are in bewteen us and Trumpers that see that Bee called the President’s daughter a C*** and are only focused on that. I get why Bee was upset. As I said, she’s a mother and immigrant herself but the second she called Ivanka a C***, the conversation became about that rather than what she was trying to draw attention to and I think that’s why many of us have said that we’d rather she not said it. I don’t give a shit about Ivanka’s feelings. In fact, I’d love to see her wearing an Orange jumpsuit, but I do care about immigarnt kids and their plight is being forgotten due to Bee saying c*** and I think you’re mistaken IMO that the media as a whole would have just latched on if she said merely feckelss.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 4:28:14pm

re: #426 Belafon

The original name of the PAC was Citizens United Not Timid for a reason.

Friend of mine just pointed that out. Double standared fuckwits.

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nines09  May 31, 2018 • 4:28:25pm

re: #408 wrenchwench

For the better? Or…?

One time I was operating my Bunky Big Rig, round about 1990 something or other, on the eastern part of the Indiana Toll Road heading east. Somewhere close to 30 odd miles from the Ohio line. Only had FM radio then. Pulled in a station that started playing In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, long album cut. Road was light with traffic. It’s flat there. Partly cloudy. I see a pack of motorcycles a half mile or more back in my mirror. Big. Two wide. And with the headlights, I could tell it was a large group. Big scooters in the Monfort Lane. Coming on.
So I sit listening to Iron Butterfly drone on, and here they come.
Yep. Angels. Massachusetts chapter. About 50 or so. Ape bars. Copious Ink.Full cuts. Inna Gadda banging to the tune of all that straight pipe roar.
Un-fucking-real.
Came by slow, and some were passing doobs back and forth. Just riding by, talking at each other. Quite the picture.
It was 1969 all over me.

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goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2018 • 4:28:28pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 4:28:39pm

My wife points out that I should be a Discordian, due to my birthday today being Sweetmorn, the 5th day of the month of Confusion (5 being a holy number in Discordianism), Year of Our Lady of Discord 3184 on the Thuddite Calendar.

Okay, back to today’s Dumpster fire in the maladministration.

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sagehen  May 31, 2018 • 4:33:27pm

re: #393 dangerman

saw david letterman interview jay-z (netflix?, amazon?)

he said basically by adopting the word and using it so much, they took all the power out of it. they created a new definition for the word. for themselves. context and intent matter.

doesnt change when a white person misues it

To quote Ta-Nehisi Coates:

I can call my wife “honey”. It’s not okay for you to call my wife “honey”.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 4:34:56pm

Today is also a holy day in Discordianism (May 31).

discordia.wikia.com

Sri Syadasti Syadavaktavya Syadasti Syannasti Syadasti Cavaktavyasca Syadasti Syannasti Syadavatavyasca Syadasti Syannasti Syadavaktavyasca, commonly called just Sri Syadasti, is a Discordian Saint and Apostle.

His name is Sanskrit, and means: “All affirmations are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense.”

Patron of the Season of Confusion.

NOTE: Sri Syadasti should not be confused with Blessed St. Gulik the Stoned, who is not the same person but is the same Apostle.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 4:38:58pm
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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 4:39:30pm

re: #400 Unshaken Defiance

Does anyone think that a different choice of words would have ruined the poignancy of what she was pointing out at the time? Not me fwiw. “hypocritical tyrant fucking bitch” would have served just as well.

I really don’t like arguing over words.

As I pointed out earlier, in a different culture, even a different English speaking culture, Bee’s language wouldn’t be an issue.

The best defense is a good offense.

Given that, I think we need to hammer home how sociopathic Trump has been today.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 4:40:45pm

re: #434 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Well he’d have to get convicted first hahaa but that’s pretty damn funny.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 4:41:18pm

re: #435 freetoken

I really don’t like arguing over words.

As I pointed out earlier, in a different culture, even a different English speaking culture, Bee’s language wouldn’t be an issue.

The best defense is a good offense.

Given that, I think we need to hammer home how sociopathic Trump has been today.

Seriously who the fuck describes meeting shooting victims as “a little bit of fun.”

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ObserverArt  May 31, 2018 • 4:42:35pm

Back for a second to post this video of the now-with-spine John Boehner.

Hey anymouse? It is your birthday today you say? Happy Birthday! Have many more too.

Iframe

One last thing…I know chances are real slim…but go Cavs!

439
HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 4:43:35pm

re: #438 ObserverArt

Back for a second to post this video of the now-with-spine John Boehner.

Hey anymouse? It is your birthday today you say? Happy Birthday! Have many more too.

[Embedded content]

One last thing…I know chances are real slim…but go Cavs!

Hey after you guys beat the “best team ever” a couple years ago, don’t count em out. Man I hope Cleveland wins. I love love Lebron.

440
Amory Blaine  May 31, 2018 • 4:46:37pm

I’m a little bummed that Samantha Bee didn’t issue a non-apology apology. “I’m deeply sorry if you were offended” kind of thing that the right constantly churns out.

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gocart mozart  May 31, 2018 • 4:47:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 31, 2018 • 4:50:18pm
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Done Ben Wrote  May 31, 2018 • 4:52:35pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

No offense, but I’m sort of curious why those getting the vapors over the use of “cunt” don’t bat an eye if (for example) I were to call Trump a “dick.” Both are slang terms for genitalia, but one gets nods of agreement while the other leads (at best) to uncomfortable silence or (at worst) howls of outrage and a lot of lecturing.

Way late to this one but: Dicks are powerful men that behave badly with only *tsk-tsk* as punishment. When used as an insult by American men, cunts are powerless women to be used and disposed of.

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BeachDem  May 31, 2018 • 4:55:13pm

re: #440 Amory Blaine

I’m a little bummed that Samantha Bee didn’t issue a non-apology apology. “I’m deeply sorry if you were offended” kind of thing that the right constantly churns out.

I think this Wonkette comment says it best:

It’s just fucked up that Bee has to apologize for calling her a cunt, but Ivanka does not have to apologize for being one.

445
I Would Prefer Not To  May 31, 2018 • 4:56:09pm

I don’t take Ambien and I think Ivanka is a cunt. I don’t fucking care that people are more upset about language than actions. My conservative friends think it’s OK to separate children because we take people away from their kids all the time (when a father is sent to jail for armed robbery was the stupid example I was given. I was also told that US citizens are more important than immigrants. Ivanka had done nothing to demonstrate that she is interested in helping anyone other then he immediate family. If there is a better word to describe her let me know and I will start using it. As far as I can see, the Trump family is cunts all the way down.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 4:56:40pm

re: #441 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

I like his snark. He must hang out with Ted Lieu.

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2018 • 4:57:35pm

re: #443 Done Ben Wrote

Way late to this one but: Dicks are powerful men that behave badly with only *tsk-tsk* as punishment. When used as an insult by American men, cunts are powerless women to be used and disposed of.

I’ve tried to avoid being a dick during this thread, fighting an internal war with my cynical dickhead side for awhile now. Last thing I really wanna do in this thread is come away looking like a sexist prick. Think I’ll settle for just looking like a bell-end instead.

/

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 4:59:59pm

For what it’s worth, one of the tornado photos I took on May 10 is on the front cover of the Nebraska Emergency Management Agency newsletter.

449
JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:03:35pm

re: #417 Barefoot Grin

Just heard an interview with a 103-yo survivor of the Tulsa Massacre that occurred on this day in 1921 where a middle class black neighborhood was razed, hundreds sent to the hospital, and perhaps 300 killed.

If you bring this up with Trumpists, they will certainly find a way to conclude “it was Democrats that did it!”

en.wikipedia.org

My goodness. Thanks for that linky!

450
JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:04:55pm

re: #449 JordanRules

My goodness. Thanks for that linky!

Oh I thought it was a link to the interview. LOL!!
I will find it though. Didn’t know any survivors were still with us. Amazing.

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 5:05:14pm

re: #448 Anymouse 🌹

No preview.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 5:07:28pm

re: #438 ObserverArt

Back for a second to post this video of the now-with-spine John Boehner.

Hey anymouse? It is your birthday today you say? Happy Birthday! Have many more too.

[Embedded content]

One last thing…I know chances are real slim…but go Cavs!

I think you all have a fighting chance cause of you know who. Looking forward to a great series!

453
Barefoot Grin  May 31, 2018 • 5:12:54pm

re: #449 JordanRules

My goodness. Thanks for that linky!

I heard it an hour ago on NPR, but didn’t find a link at the time. I’ll check again. She said, “my parents told us not to look back, but to look forward in hope.” She was the first black woman (and maybe first woman) in the Coast Guard.

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stpaulbear  May 31, 2018 • 5:26:44pm

re: #397 JordanRules

I definitely think that is more likely to happen than them getting rid of her. And we may never know how bad it might get for her behind the scenes. But she always has Netflix to consider for her next contract.

She should do a show about the 5000 people who died in Puerto Rico. Don’t call anyone names, but just grind them to a pulp with facts. If they want to get heavy on Sam, she should get heavy back and let her audience know that she’s going to be doing that for a while. She really needs to fight back and I think her audience will support her fight.

I realize that this isn’t likely to happen, but damn I want to see her rip them to shreds with their own actions. She can do it.

455
EPR-radar  May 31, 2018 • 5:32:24pm

re: #422 Anymouse 🌹

Samantha Bee is not a politician. She is a comedienne. By next week, conservatives will have moved on to a new fauxtrage. It’s what they do.

They are mad because she called out Ivanka Trump. Had she just stuck with “feckless” they’d be in a poutrage over that.

They were calling Hillary Clinton the same thing on their t-shirts during the campaign. When she walked back her “basket of deplorables” statement, did they say “thank you let’s move on now?” Clinton’s response to the press should have been “prove me wrong.”

I stand by Clinton’s deplorables comment, and she shouldn’t have walked that back.

As said upthread, the RWNJ outrage about everything is a given, so it can’t be allowed to set the agenda. However, that does not mean that anything goes. It is important to avoid own goals that split the left and scare the centrists. Pointlessly referring to Ivanka Trump as a c*** is exactly that, IMO.

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Eventual Carrion  May 31, 2018 • 6:23:42pm

re: #382 Targetpractice

Well, I have a heart, but I sold my soul to rock & roll.

//

The old lungs may be barely breathin’
but the heart of rock and roll is still beatin’

457
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2018 • 1:29:34am

re: #184 JordanRules

Probably. They were looking for a “win” after Roseanne so they would do the faux outrage dance at any naughty word thrown at Ivanka.

you nailed it

these are media wars

and although not irrelevant they do a marvelous job of distracting us from the rest of the damage that the trump admin has inflicted on our country

458
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2018 • 1:33:48am

re: #289 Renaissance_Man

Again, no.

This is because the enemy is a cult.

Ho dare you call them a cult?

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John Hughes  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:36:44am

re: #13 S’latch

I got censored in the previous thread for using the dreaded c-word. I am now considering whether it is sexist. I honestly don’t know. I might need to hear the debate on that.

If a man calls a woman a cunt then it could be sexist — fuck, probably is.

If a woman says to another woman:

“You know, Ivanka, that’s a beautiful photo of you and your child, but let me just say, one mother to another, do something about your dad’s immigration practices, you feckless cunt.”

Then I don’t see where the sexism is, in fact can’t see anything that needs apologising for.

Does anyone think Ivanka is not feckless?

By the way, C U N T is not spelled ****


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