A Previously Unreleased Track From Tom Petty: “For Real”

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The previously unreleased track, taken from Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers career retrospective ‘The Best of Everything’. Pre-Order Now: https://TomPetty.lnk.to/TheBestOfEverything

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Official Lyrics:

For Real
Oh brother, look what we’ve become
Oh brother, could we be so dumb
They set us up like dominos

I didn’t do it for no magazine
Didn’t do it for no video
Never did it for no CEO

But I did it for real
Woulda done it for free
I did it for me
Cause it was all that rang true
I did it for real
And I did it for you

Mighta done it for my sanity
Maybe done it for my vanity
Could be I did it for my big ego

But I did it for real
Woulda done it for free
Yeah I did it for me
Cause it was all that rang true
I did it for real
And I did it for you (true)

Oh brother, look what we’ve become
Oh brother, I’ve been overrun
Only did it for the way it made me feel

Yeah I did it for real
Woulda done it for free
Yeah I did it for me
Cause it was all that rang true
I did it for real
And I did it for you

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234 comments
1
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:01:30pm

moron must have just gotten some bad news:

and then he retweeted this from 3 days ago:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:02:48pm

oh…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:06:52pm

moves are just soooo smooooth…

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:12:20pm
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A Mom Anon  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:20:39pm

re: #4 Patricia Kayden

I keep wondering what the catch is. Because there is just no way in hell that conservatives caved on this without getting something totally evil in return. And yes I am cynical and untrusting. Wonder why?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:21:16pm
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mmmirele  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:21:24pm

Blast from the past.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:28:16pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:29:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:33:34pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:34:58pm

re: #9 Patricia Kayden

This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:35:02pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron must have just gotten some bad news:

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And to think it only happened because he fired Comey….

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:37:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:41:34pm
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sagehen  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:44:16pm

re: #5 A Mom Anon

I keep wondering what the catch is. Because there is just no way in hell that conservatives caved on this without getting something totally evil in return. And yes I am cynical and untrusting. Wonder why?

The catch is that just because it’s a law, doesn’t mean they’re going to follow the law.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:44:20pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2019 • 4:51:21pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:03:59pm

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A Mom Anon  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:09:22pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just did a spontaneous moo ha ha laugh. CA is a big part of the how and the who of this, we already know the traitorous reasons why.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:11:57pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

well that is smart of them. Cheeto says we’re pulling out cuz they were defeated, now they have breathing room to go lay low, recruit and come back in even higher numbers.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:14:23pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:14:30pm

Thanks for the TP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:16:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:17:53pm

aha…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:20:47pm

Nancy be trolling, trolling, trolling…

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:21:52pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

aha…

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I figured this was it. Did anyone hear what McCabe said on 60 Minutes?

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:22:08pm

Modern day Australian Blacksmith shop.
Dirty Heaven

Modern day Smithy
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Teddy's Person  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:24:05pm

re: #26 MsJ

I figured this was it. Did anyone hear what McCabe said on 60 Minutes?

Here’s a tidbit

“The president launched into several unrelated diatribes,” McCabe said. “One of those was commenting on the recent missile launches by the government of North Korea. And, essentially, the president said he did not believe that the North Koreans had the capability to hit us here with ballistic missiles in the United States. And he did not believe that because president Putin had told him they did not. President Putin had told him that the North Koreans don’t actually have those missiles.”

CBS co-host Scott Pelley seemed floored and asked what the intelligence experts told Trump.

“Intelligence officials in the briefing responded that that was not consistent with any of the intelligence our government possesses to which the president replied, ‘I don’t care. I believe Putin,’” he said.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:27:54pm

re: #26 MsJ

I figured this was it. Did anyone hear what McCabe said on 60 Minutes?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:28:49pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:42:38pm

New petition to sell Montana to Canada for $1 trillion to pay off US debt

A new change.org petition proposes selling Montana to Canada for $1 trillion to pay off the national debt.

“We have too much debt and Montana is useless,” the petition reads. As for getting Canada to go for the deal, “Just tell them it has beavers or something,”

It’s garnered 1,000 signers since its launch. Many are from Montana.

We in Montana have questions:

It isn’t nearly enough, for one thing. Still, you have to start somewhere. I wonder if Paraguay or Somalia might make an offer on Lubbock?

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Jay C  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:44:24pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

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Gollum J. Trump’s shtick can get wearing sometimes, but I’m definitely going to remember “Mush Limbflab”

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:45:00pm

I bet there is a storm in the White House tonight. I can feel the rage all the way here in Ohio.

Oh for the video.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:46:11pm

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

New petition to sell Montana to Canada for $1 trillion to pay off US debt

It isn’t nearly enough, for one thing. Still, you have to start somewhere. I wonder if Paraguay or Somalia might make an offer on Lubbock?

1 billion for Montana. Gosh that leaves 21 billion left.

Hmmmm, what if Putin wants to buy Alaska back?

Naaaaaah. Trump would just deed it back to him for free…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:51:45pm

re: #34 Joe Bacon 🌹

1 billion for Montana. Gosh that leaves 21 billion left.

Hmmmm, what if Putin wants to buy Alaska back?

Naaaaaah. Trump would just deed it back to him for free…

We could sell Manhattan to the Dutch (again). I’d want more than $24 this time though.

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:55:49pm

re: #27 Dave In Austin

Did you see the pics i posted of my hand forged celt style swords? If you like a forge, well you’ll understand 5160 & Rockwell 54 ;)

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 17, 2019 • 5:55:54pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:04:05pm

My Internet is still down. Apparently a heating pipe sprung a leak, and the ethernet cables servicing five apartment buildings here are affected. So, I’m tethered to my cellphone again to chat with y’all.

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Teddy's Person  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:04:48pm

re: #37 Single-handed sailor

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Ah yes, the good old days of unfettered capitalism. Losing a finger, foot, or hand to enrich the factory owner is both moral and efficient.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:06:52pm

re: #39 Teddy’s Person

Ah yes, the good old days of unfettered capitalism. Losing a finger, foot, or hand to enrich the factory owner is both moral and efficient.

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That barefoot kid in the bucket hat, or “Stumpy” as he was called in later years.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:13:51pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

Obamagorn! Lol

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:14:59pm

I don’t trust any of these FBI weasels any further than I can throw them, tbh. But it does say something that so many of them were alarmed by the Trump-thing, I guess.

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Jay C  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:20:17pm

re: #34 Joe Bacon 🌹

1 billion for Montana. Gosh that leaves 21 billion left.

Hmmmm, what if Putin wants to buy Alaska back?

Naaaaaah. Trump would just deed it back to him for free…

$1 trillion for Montana seems a tad overpriced - for a state with only $45 billion in annual economy, even given the value of the RE. Now if they threw in Washington, say ($476B) and Idaho ($65B) - just to keep it contiguous - for say, $2 trillion, you might get a deal you could get to pay out over a few years, and put a decent dent in the national debt. Okay, there would still be $20 T to go, but you have to start somewhere…

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:23:08pm

re: #33 ObserverArt

I bet there is a storm in the White House tonight. I can feel the rage all the way here in Ohio.

Oh for the video.

Hey Observer, I dropped my youngest son off at my daughters place in Akron this morning. They are attending the Hamilton National Tour show tonight in Columbus. Can’t wait to hear how they liked it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:25:46pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I don’t trust any of these FBI weasels any further than I can throw them, tbh. But it does say something that so many of them were alarmed by the Trump-thing, I guess.

Considering how Screwdy was colluding with the New York FBI they got a long long way to atone for what they did to Hillary.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:27:00pm

re: #43 Jay C

$1 trillion for Montana seems a tad overpriced - for a state with only $45 billion in annual economy, even given the value of the RE. Now if they threw in Washington, say ($476B) and Idaho ($65B) - just to keep it contiguous - for say, $2 trillion, you might get a deal you could get to pay out over a few years, and put a decent dent in the national debt. Okay, there would still be $20 T to go, but you have to start somewhere…

Just what Canada wants, a bunch of right wing, sovereign citizen, militia nuts. I’m thinking they wouldn’t take MT and ID if we paid them.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:29:08pm

re: #46 MsJ

Just what Canada wants, a bunch of right wing, sovereign citizen, militia nuts. I’m thinking they wouldn’t take MT and ID if we paid them.

If they really wanted Michigan they would have taken it during the War of 1812.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:31:48pm

re: #44 Eventual Carrion

Hey Observer, I dropped my youngest son off at my daughters place in Akron this morning. They are attending the Hamilton National Tour show tonight in Columbus. Can’t wait to hear how they liked it.

It’s at the Ohio theater so that should be fun. It’s at the end of its run so they should have the production down for the venue.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:32:16pm
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sagehen  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:33:25pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nancy be trolling, trolling, trolling…

Members of our delegation discussed challenges & opportunities facing our NATO alliance with EUCOM & NATO Supreme Allied Commander Gen. Scaparrotti and Ambassador Philip Reeker.

Challenges: Donald J Trump
Opportunities: “here’s Mueller’s direct number; please send him any intel he may find useful.”

Is that about it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:34:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:39:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:40:46pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:41:04pm

re: #34 Joe Bacon 🌹

1 billion for Montana. Gosh that leaves 21 billion left.

Tell Canada we will accept 2 trillion for not giving them Montana.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:42:17pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nancy be trolling, trolling, trolling…

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I was too busy yesterday, but I wanted to tweet out that the image of Pelosi and Merkel embracing should be labeled “the Leaders of the Free World.”

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:44:30pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

4 shot = Mass Shooting.
That 2 within 7 days? Or is there more we just don’t know about.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:46:46pm

re: #56 Dave In Austin

4 shot = Mass Shooting.
That 2 within 7 days? Or is there more we just don’t know about.

the last one was Friday

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Jay C  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:51:25pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nancy be trolling, trolling, trolling…

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Well, at least someone is doing some useful diplomacy on the country’s behalf.

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teleskiguy  Feb 17, 2019 • 6:55:45pm

The ski area posted me on their Instagram*.

*note: the picture was actually taken 11 days ago, not yesterday

Instagram

Powder beards were in full blossom yesterday…show us yours for a chance to win a Sunlight trucker hat! #tagus #powderbeard #powderday #powderfordays #powder4days #eastridgecharlie #eastridge #steepanddeep #truckerhat #winning

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2019 • 7:00:56pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

The ski area posted me on their Instagram*.

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Did you win the hat?

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teleskiguy  Feb 17, 2019 • 7:03:12pm

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

Did you win the hat?

I already have a Sunlight Mountain Resort trucker hat, came with the job. 🙂

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2019 • 7:09:44pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

See how you are?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 7:13:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2019 • 7:15:32pm
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stpaulbear  Feb 17, 2019 • 7:25:27pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

See how you are?

X See How We Are

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2019 • 7:36:25pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 17, 2019 • 7:41:57pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

20 inches of fresh snow will freeze your beard, if skied properly.

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plansbandc  Feb 17, 2019 • 7:50:15pm

Colorado State High School Choir sings in hotel balcony…

newson6.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2019 • 7:51:52pm

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2019 • 7:58:23pm

re: #66 stpaulbear

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Video

Oh, my, they remain my favorite punk band. So hard/harsh getting their music in it’s place

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 17, 2019 • 8:03:56pm

How about some theorbo music?

Talentos | Alexandre Ribeiro em “Passacaille”

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plansbandc  Feb 17, 2019 • 8:22:06pm

JHC is my GPS…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2019 • 8:32:01pm

Today in stupid wingnut memes:

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 17, 2019 • 8:33:59pm
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freetoken  Feb 17, 2019 • 8:37:58pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

Variations of that have been popping up on Facebook for a few days now.

One snuck into my timeline. I commented on it… but to no avail.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 17, 2019 • 8:38:22pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

Today in stupid wingnut memes:

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To aid America against all those AK carrying, rocket launching cranky toddlers with their mothers I would guess.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2019 • 8:41:08pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2019 • 8:48:46pm

It’s hard to drown out the Republican Bullshit Machine when it’s cranked up to 12.

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sagehen  Feb 17, 2019 • 8:53:15pm

re: #71 William Lewis

Oh, my, they remain my favorite punk band. So hard/harsh getting their music in it’s place

Remember that recurring discussion we have about how to separate art from artist, what to think when somebody whose records and/or movies you love turns out to be a person you’d want nothing to do with?

Exene Cervenka and John Doe are hard-core Trumpers.

Does that diminish your ability to enjoy their musical output?

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 17, 2019 • 8:56:47pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Or whom Rosenstein offered to wear a wire against to gather evidence.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 17, 2019 • 9:16:17pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2019 • 9:24:13pm

re: #82 Single-handed sailor

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Ron Johnson shows what happens when you OD on sucking up to the Kochs!

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austin_blue  Feb 17, 2019 • 9:30:18pm

re: #83 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ron Johnson shows what happens when you OD on sucking up to the Kochs!

Selective amnesia seems to be an R thing.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 17, 2019 • 9:50:00pm

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

First, My country doesn’t have that much money.

Second, we already have Alberta and Saskatchewan. We don’t need any more empty land.

//

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 17, 2019 • 9:53:10pm

the attempt to declare a national emergency effectively marks the end of trump’s presidency

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 17, 2019 • 9:55:10pm

re: #82 Single-handed sailor

GOP senator says Republicans didn’t control Congress when they held Senate and House majorities

lbj would have taken 52 seats in the senate and shoved it up the other party’s ass until they screamed uncle

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 17, 2019 • 9:56:29pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 17, 2019 • 10:10:13pm

re: #85 Romantic Heretic

First, My country doesn’t have that much money.

Second, we already have Alberta and Saskatchewan. We don’t need any more empty land.

//

How much would you want to take Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, North and South Dakota, and Nebraska? 2% of the population, 4% of the Electoral College, 12% of the Senate. This is why we can’t have nice things….

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 17, 2019 • 10:13:16pm

re: #89 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

How much would you want to take Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, North and South Dakota, and Nebraska? 2% of the population, 4% of the Electoral College, 12% of the Senate. This is why we can’t have nice things….

Just what we need, a South Manitoba.

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BigPapa  Feb 17, 2019 • 10:15:22pm

McCabe 60 Minutes interview. Geezuz Fricken Kris Kristoffochrist.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 17, 2019 • 10:25:31pm

As Americans reject vaccines, health workers abroad risk death to deliver them

In early October, three cases of measles were confirmed in Antanarivo, the capital of Madagascar. The highly contagious virus quickly spread across the island nation; by the next month, thousands of cases had been confirmed. The crisis only grew from there.

Madagascar has poor health-care infrastructure and a low vaccination rate. But public health experts say its dangerous measles outbreak still offers a warning for anti-vaccination campaigners in the United States, where a smaller-scale flare-up has led to more than 100 confirmed cases since the beginning of the year. Conspiracy theories that vaccines are ineffective or can cause certain disabilities and medical conditions have led a number of American parents to resist vaccinating their children.

“Madagascar started with a few cases; now, we are almost close to 60,000 and the cases are still increasing,” said Richard Mihigo, coordinator for the World Health Organization’s immunization and vaccine development program at its regional office for Africa. “I think societies like the U.S. and western Europe should ring the bell and see … this is something that could also happen to them.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 17, 2019 • 10:30:47pm

re: #89 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

How much would you want to take Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, North and South Dakota, and Nebraska? 2% of the population, 4% of the Electoral College, 12% of the Senate. This is why we can’t have nice things….

I’m sure Somalia would charge much less. Besides, MAGAts would love it: No gun control, no environmental regulation, no separation of church and state and few, if any, surviving feminists or LGBTQ types.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 17, 2019 • 10:33:28pm
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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 17, 2019 • 10:41:56pm

re: #90 Single-handed sailor

Just what we need, a South Manitoba.

Oh, much better than that. South Alberta.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 17, 2019 • 11:29:24pm

re: #92 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

On mainland Africa and parts of Taliban/ISIS-controlled South Asia, there is the CT that vaccines are poisons from the Western countries. Some health workers were attacked in Pakistan last year by extremists.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 17, 2019 • 11:55:52pm

But it’s the Democrats that are anti-Semitic.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 18, 2019 • 12:05:48am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2019 • 12:07:10am

re: #98 Single-handed sailor

Every Wisconsin State Republican legislator is White. Colin Kaepernick is from Milwaukee Wisconsin.

But democrats founded the KKK

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 18, 2019 • 1:07:09am

Fuck it, go all the way. Get a Jamocha Shake, too.

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sagehen  Feb 18, 2019 • 1:09:43am

re: #98 Single-handed sailor

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February is Black History Month. The Legislature’s black caucus had proposed a resolution honoring a number of black leaders, including Kaepernick.

That didn’t go over well with the GOP. Republican leaders drafted their own resolution that didn’t include Kaepernick but did add Mandela Barnes, the state’s first black lieutenant governor, and Vel Phillips, the state’s first black secretary of state.

Assembly Majority Leader Jim Steineke, who is white, told reporters during a news conference Tuesday that Kaepernick was left off the list “for obvious reasons.” He later added that Kaepernick was a controversial figure.

One might suggest that a bunch of black people would be in a better position than a bunch of white people to answer the question “which black leaders are influential?”

But that’s just silly, right?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2019 • 1:26:06am

re: #101 sagehen

One might suggest that a bunch of black people would be in a better position than a bunch of white people to answer the question “which black leaders are influential?”

But that’s just silly, right?

//

You might suggest that a group of women might also be in a better position to discuss abortion and contraception issues than a group of male Republican lawmakers, right?

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 18, 2019 • 1:37:07am

Slight change in California drought conditions over the past month.

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freetoken  Feb 18, 2019 • 2:19:10am

Phillip Lord: Balletto (Second of Three Court Dances).

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sagehen  Feb 18, 2019 • 2:19:55am

re: #102 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You might suggest that a group of women might also be in a better position to discuss abortion and contraception issues than a group of male Republican lawmakers, right?

Male Democrats as well — the percentages of assholes, psychos, and well-meaning ignoramuses is better than the Republicans, but still.

The only people who have any moral authority to make decisions about contraception and abortion are:

1) people who have a uterus; and
2) people with advanced medical knowledge

Everybody else should just defer to members of those categories.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2019 • 2:21:41am

re: #105 sagehen

Male Democrats as well — the percentages of assholes, psychos, and well-meaning ignoramuses is better than the Republicans, but still.

The only people who have any moral authority to make decisions about contraception and abortion are:

1) people who have a uterus; and
2) people with advanced medical knowledge

Everybody else should just defer to members of those categories.

except that the GOP frames C&A as a social-moral issue, not a personal medical issue

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steve_davis  Feb 18, 2019 • 3:12:43am

re: #38 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

My Internet is still down. Apparently a heating pipe sprung a leak, and the ethernet cables servicing five apartment buildings here are affected. So, I’m tethered to my cellphone again to chat with y’all.

heating pipe sprang a leak. don’t make me come over there with the irregular verb table!

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freetoken  Feb 18, 2019 • 3:44:54am

Keely Smith - What Is This Thing Called Love?

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 18, 2019 • 4:25:25am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2019 • 4:31:07am

re: #109 Patricia Kayden

I’m old enough to remember when conservatives thought Obama was going to manufacture a crisis in order to grant himself emergency powers to cease land through eminent domain (Jade Helm), and then Trump actually did it.

I have long since stopped thinking in terms of “What if Obama had (fill in blank)?

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 18, 2019 • 4:33:55am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 18, 2019 • 4:36:12am

re: #107 steve_davis

heating pipe sprang a leak. don’t make me come over there with the irregular verb table!

spring sprang sprung — some ESL teacher I am!

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jeffreyw  Feb 18, 2019 • 4:36:40am

Good morning!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2019 • 4:39:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2019 • 4:41:52am

moron is upset

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2019 • 4:43:57am

this week is really getting off to a great start…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2019 • 4:44:13am

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is upset

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He really thinks we should worship him like a God.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2019 • 4:45:07am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2019 • 4:47:05am

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yep. Rosenstein was his guy. Senile shitbrain ignores that. Sessions too. He thinks he’s above the law.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2019 • 4:48:07am

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

this week is really getting off to a great start…

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Their entire shared alliance is based in shared xenophobia. It was inevitable that it’d start collapsing.

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jeffreyw  Feb 18, 2019 • 4:59:02am

re: #112 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

spring sprang sprung — some ESL teacher I am!

I think there should be a sproing in there somewhere.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 18, 2019 • 5:13:37am

re: #82 Single-handed sailor

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Mike Lamb  Feb 18, 2019 • 5:27:40am

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is upset

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President calling currentand former FBI officials “treasonous”. Fantastic. What could go wrong?

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Mike Lamb  Feb 18, 2019 • 5:29:12am

re: #103 Single-handed sailor

Slight change in California drought conditions over the past month.

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Pretty fantastic. Hopefully a bit more precipitation will hit those yellow areas. I’m hoping we see something similar here in Colorado, but I don’t think we will quite get there.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 18, 2019 • 5:42:15am

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

Infrastructure Week International.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 18, 2019 • 5:47:40am

I posted this for your President’s day enjoyment.

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makeitstop  Feb 18, 2019 • 5:59:18am

This is good: Why Do Many British People Not Like Donald Trump?

A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

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retired cynic  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:18:34am

Kofi Burbridge, keyboardist, flautist and arranger for the Tedeschi Trucks Band and Derek Trucks Band, has died.

loudersound.com

Complications from heart surgery in January, following up on heart surgery in 2017. Really sad! I do like that band! He also played for the Allman Brothers Band, and I liked them, too. Maybe he was just pretty damned good.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:21:48am

BOKER TOV LIZARDIA!!!

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:25:55am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

BOKER TOV LIZARDIA!!!

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And a good morning to you! Seems a bit early for someone with Obama’s heft to be giving endorsements — we don’t even know yet who all the players will be.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:27:05am

re: #130 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

And a good morning to you! Seems a bit early for someone with Obama’s heft to be giving endorsements — we don’t even know yet who all the players will be.

He has not endorsed anyone at this time.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:27:42am

re: #130 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

And a good morning to you! Seems a bit early for someone with Obama’s heft to be giving endorsements — we don’t even know yet who all the players will be.

advising does not equal endorsement. He could be advising them all.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:29:12am

re: #131 The Vicious Babushka

re: #132 I Would Prefer Not To

See the headline. I was agreeing with him.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:30:08am

Happy Washington/Jefferson Day!!!

al.com

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:35:12am

Remember that woman that called Michelle Obama an ape in heels? She defrauded FEMA to the tune of $18k.

wtsp.com

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Amory Blaine  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:35:37am

re: #134 Decatur Deb

Happy Washington/Jefferson Day!!!

al.com

“Lincoln was a doodie head !!”

~ Alabama

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:41:17am

re: #130 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

And a good morning to you! Seems a bit early for someone with Obama’s heft to be giving endorsements — we don’t even know yet who all the players will be.

I saw it as not a endorsement of specific candidates, but an overall strategy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:42:06am

Dan Bongino on Fox ‘n’ Friends is the epitome of FAKE NEWS

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:43:13am

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

Dan Bongino on Fox ‘n’ Friends is the epitome of FAKE NEWS

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Bomgino like Hannity loves sucking Trump off.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:46:14am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

“Former President Barack Obama has met with several Democratic presidential candidates, but he is seen as unlikely to endorse any of them before the general election.”

And that, is a truly ex-Presidential thing to do on his part as a Democrat.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:48:32am

re: #132 I Would Prefer Not To

advising does not equal endorsement. He could be advising them all.

He has counseled more than a dozen declared or likely candidates on what he believes it will take to beat President Trump, holding private talks with leading contenders like Ms. Harris, Mr. Booker and Senator Elizabeth Warren; underdogs like Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Ind.; and prominent figures who remain undecided on the race, like Eric H. Holder, his former attorney general, and Michael R. Bloomberg, the former mayor of New York.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:51:57am
“I don’t care. I believe Putin,” Pres Trump allegedly said, rejecting U.S. intelligence regarding North Korean intercontinental ballistic missile capability. McCabe says he heard this from an FBI official who was at the meeting with POTUS

The question that has been bugging me is how would putin know? And wouldn’t trump ask him how he knew? Does putin have better intelligence than the US?

and fuck trump

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makeitstop  Feb 18, 2019 • 6:53:41am

Umm…how about nope’?

Mr. Reg Mellor, the “king of ferret legging,” paced across his tiny Yorkshire miner’s cottage as he explained the rules of the English sport that he has come to dominate rather late in life. “Ay lad,” said the 72-year-old champion, “no jockstraps allowed. No underpants—nothin’ whatever. And it’s no good with tight trousers, mind ye. Little bah-stards have to be able to move around inside there from ankle to ankle.”

Some 11 years ago I first heard of the strange pastime called ferret legging, and for a decade since then I have sought a publication possessed of sufficient intelligence and vision to allow me to travel to northern England in search of the fabled players of the game.

Basically, the contest involves the tying of a competitor’s trousers at the ankles and the subsequent insertion into those trousers of a couple of peculiarly vicious fur-coated, footlong carnivores called ferrets. The brave contestant’s belt is then pulled tight, and he proceeds to stand there in front of the judges as long as he can, while animals with claws like hypodermic needles and teeth like number 16 carpet tacks try their damnedest to get out.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:01:46am

re: #103 Single-handed sailor

yeah, we have been getting hammered with rain, the storms that came through this past thursday were the wettest yet and I am sure we will see more. Some areas measured 12-14 inches of rain.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:03:54am

Wingnuttia goes off on Chris Wallace.

Conservative television viewers lashed out at Chris Wallace, the host of Fox News Sunday, after he subjected radio host Rush Limbaugh and White House aide Stephen Miller to tough interviews.

On his Sunday show, Wallace forced the two Republicans to face facts and cross-examination. He met Miller with statistics refuting the need for a border wall to combat drugs, and he suggested that Limbaugh was a hypocrite for supporting President Donald Drumpf’s use of executive power to thwart the will of Congress.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:06:32am

re: #132 I Would Prefer Not To

advising does not equal endorsement. He could be advising them all.

He should be advising them all.

And AOC should be advising them all on managing social media.

Alone effective should be advising them.

That, at this point in time, we when need advisors, is in itself, a travesty.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:10:17am

as part of their monday q&a a short and clear analysis of what is and is not bias in media reporting at electoral-vote.com this AM

- critical coverage does not inherently equate to bias

- If we did not point these things out when they happen (and, with him [Trump], they happen on a near-daily basis), that would not be a lack of bias, it would just be bias of a different sort.

There is a school of thought, often on display in newspapers, that every side of an issue deserves coverage… We find this way of thinking to be facile and rather dishonest. Regardless of what the postmodernists might say, not all points of view are equally valid and equally worthy of consideration.

Is there another, less damning, reading of this? Do we have a duty to search for one, particularly if we do not believe that alternate reading is correct (or even plausible)? If we do point out an alternate reading, particularly one we don’t believe in, are we actually being “fair” or are we merely trying to look “fair”? Is Trump entitled to any benefit of the doubt, after two years of choices that put him and his base first, and the rest of the country second?

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:10:38am

re: #146 MsJ

He should be advising them all.

And AOC should be advising them all on managing social media.

Alone Anyone effective should be advising them.

That, at this point in time, we when need advisors, is in itself, a travesty.

Fucking autocorrect.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:12:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:14:21am

re: #147 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

as part of their monday q&a a short and clear analysis of what is and is not bias in media reporting at electoral-vote.com this AM

We find this way of thinking to be facile and rather dishonest. Regardless of what the postmodernists might say, not all points of view are equally valid and equally worthy of consideration.

the alt-right movement was all about convincing us that fascism and white supremacism were valid viewpoints worthy of consideration instead of something that is anathema to American values and everything we have ever fought for.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:16:39am

Heh.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:17:16am

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

Today in stupid wingnut memes:

Morning!

Saw the crappy image in #74 and it pissed me off. So, for the first thing this morning, I wanted to set that image straight!

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:30:44am

re: #152 ObserverArt

Morning!

Saw the crappy image in #74 and it pissed me off. So, for the first thing this morning, I wanted to set that image straight!

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I don’t remember Obama skirting Congress using a national emergency as a way to fund unpopular policy. What did I miss?

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retired cynic  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:32:16am

Today’s photo of the day from nasa is a dragon over Iceland!

Image: DragonAurora_Zhang_2241.jpg

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:40:09am

re: #130 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

And a good morning to you! Seems a bit early for someone with Obama’s heft to be giving endorsements — we don’t even know yet who all the players will be.

He’s not endorsing…he’s coaching!

And I think he will make a pretty damn good political campaign coach.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:43:08am
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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:46:36am

re: #148 MsJ

Fucking autocorrect.

Thanks for the corrections.

Because I was looking at that original a long time trying to figure it out. Hell of a puzzle!

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2019 • 7:59:56am

re: #130 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

And a good morning to you! Seems a bit early for someone with Obama’s heft to be giving endorsements — we don’t even know yet who all the players will be.

The full title is “Obama Quietly Gives Advice to 2020 Democrats, but No Endorsement” so, no, there isn’t any.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:01:54am

re: #146 MsJ

He should be advising them all.

And AOC should be advising them all on managing social media.

Alone effective should be advising them.

That, at this point in time, we when need advisors, is in itself, a travesty.

I don’t consider Obama’s involvement wrong in any way. He was the last president. I would also expect some of them to get Hillary’s help.

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Chrysicat  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:11:42am

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh, lordy. Don’t click “show other comments” unless you plan to save them for historians interested in when the Second US Civil War became visibly inevitable!

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Dr. Matt  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:12:32am

Fox is now part of the librul media derp state Soros-Obama-Hillary cabal:

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:14:04am

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We find this way of thinking to be facile and rather dishonest. Regardless of what the postmodernists might say, not all points of view are equally valid and equally worthy of consideration.

the alt-right movement was all about convincing us that fascism and white supremacism were valid viewpoints worthy of consideration instead of something that is anathema to American values and everything we have ever fought for.

and that is why you dont engage crackpots
including them as ‘opposing’ or putting them at the table legitimizes them. dont do it
and dont give them a bigger megaphone

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:14:34am

re: #157 ObserverArt

Thanks for the corrections.

Because I was looking at that original a long time trying to figure it out. Hell of a puzzle!

There’s nothing quite as spectacular as my allowing my phone to make me look like a moron. Yay. Me. 🙄

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:17:42am

I’ve been reading up a lot on the Vichy French regime during World War II and on French collaboration in general. It is a complex and very interesting story. Needless to say, it is a primary focus of French historians and a source of bitter controversy to this day.
There seem to be some parallels to our situation today, except that the Vichyites were quite open about what they were doing.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:23:36am

re: #145 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Wingnuttia goes off on Chris Wallace.

Maybe the spirit of his late father has given the son some pause….

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:28:50am

This is tacky as shit

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Decatur Deb  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:31:02am

re: #166 The Vicious Babushka

This is tacky as shit

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If he had a bit more talent he could have been the ShamWow guy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:33:29am

re: #166 The Vicious Babushka

This is tacky as shit

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And even with the discount all that shit is way over priced anyway.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:34:41am

Several states will reportedly be joining a lawsuit California is preparing to file against the Trump administration over the president’s move to declare a national emergency to get funding for his proposed border wall.

The states include New Mexico, Oregon, Minnesota, New Jersey, Hawaii and Connecticut, according to CBS News. A spokesperson for Colorado Attorney General Phil Weiser (D) told KDVR, a local news affiliate, that Colorado would also be joining the suit.

California Attorney General Xavier Becerra (D) and Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) have already announced plans to sue President Trump over the emergency declaration.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:35:25am

re: #161 Dr. Matt

Fox is now part of the librul media derp state Soros-Obama-Hillary cabal:

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“How could we have lost the House? Maybe our theories just weren’t crazy enough.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:39:15am

Florida student faces misdemeanor charges after refusing to stand for Pledge of Allegiance

An 11-year-old student in Florida is facing charges after refusing to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance and creating a disturbance in the classroom, police said.

The boy was arrested for causing a disruption and refusing repeated instructions from school staff and law enforcement, Polk County Public Schools spokesperson Kyle Kennedy said in a statement. He was not arrested for refusing to participate in the pledge - even though students have the right to do so by Florida law and district policy.

The sixth-grader from a Tampa suburb allegedly told his substitute teacher the flag is “racist” and the national anthem is offensive to black people, Bay News 9 reported, citing a statement the teacher gave the district.

In response, the teacher said she asked the student why not go to another place to live if it was “so bad here.” She said he answered, “They brought me here.”

The substitute, identified by district officials as Ana Alvarez, said, “Well, you can always go back because I came here from Cuba and the day I feel I’m not welcome here anymore, I would find another place to live.”

Alvarez said she called the office on Feb. 4 because she did not want to keep “dealing with him,” according to her statement. An officer and a school administrator tried to calm the student, the Lakeland Police Department said in a Sunday night press release. The administrator asked him to leave the classroom more than 20 times, police said, and the student allegedly made threats while being escorted to the office.

Police transported the Lawton Chiles Middle Academy student to the Juvenile Assessment Center and charged him with disrupting a school function and resisting an officer without violence, the Lakeland Police Department said.

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This is outrageous. Fuck that teacher. Fuck those cops. And fuck Republicans for turning our country into this.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:41:44am

re: #171 Eclectic Cyborg

Florida student faces misdemeanor charges after refusing to stand for Pledge of Allegiance

An 11-year-old student in Florida is facing charges after refusing to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance and creating a disturbance in the classroom, police said.

The boy was arrested for causing a disruption and refusing repeated instructions from school staff and law enforcement, Polk County Public Schools spokesperson Kyle Kennedy said in a statement. He was not arrested for refusing to participate in the pledge - even though students have the right to do so by Florida law and district policy.

Sort of like those suspect who “resist arrest” by not throwing themselves to the ground, putting a knee in their own back and putting on their own handcuffs

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Dr. Matt  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:42:25am

re: #171 Eclectic Cyborg

That “teacher” should be publicly mocked and shamed, and then fired.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:42:37am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sort of like those suspect who “resist arrest” by not throwing themselves to the ground, putting a knee in their own back and putting on their own handcuffs

The kid happens to be black, I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.

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Skip Intro  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:44:02am

re: #166 The Vicious Babushka

They do it EVERY SINGLE HOLIDAY.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:47:09am

re: #173 Dr. Matt

That “teacher” should be publicly mocked and shamed, and then fired.

the teacher should be charged with creating a disruption and violating a student’s rights…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:47:56am

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

The kid happens to be black, I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.

all that Kapernick nonsense poisoning their young, impressionable sub-standard intelligence.

/

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Dr. Matt  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:48:07am

Just a reminder:

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:49:02am

He’s a fucking idiot.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:49:53am

re: #178 Dr. Matt

When you’re attacking FBI agents because you’re under criminal investigation, you’re losing

When you are accusing them of treason, you are desperate.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:50:45am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:51:37am

Today this would be considered a sexual assault.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:51:55am

With Donnie’s latest 24+ hours of twitter meltdowns, there is speculation that Donnie Jr is about to get the Roger Stone treatment.

*crossing all bodily appendages and prays to Dog*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:55:16am

re: #182 The Vicious Babushka

Today this would be considered a sexual assault.

and again; what was accepted then vs what is acceptable now…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:57:33am

re: #183 Dr. Matt

With Donnie’s latest 24+ hours of twitter meltdowns, there is speculation that Donnie Jr is about to get the Roger Stone treatment.

*crossing all bodily appendages and prays to Dog*

You think CNN will be ready this time too?

//

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2019 • 8:58:13am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and again; what was accepted then vs what is acceptable now…

Look at her: he is breaking her back!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:02:05am

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

Look at her: he is breaking her back!

some would say that she is arching her back as a sign of assent…

(but I will not go there)

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:05:41am

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

Look at her: he is breaking her back!

She’s far enough back she would pretty much have to go limp in some parts of her body.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:07:17am

An immigration official tried to convince a woman that she crossed over alone after she was separated from her child: m.dailykos.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:07:55am

re: #189 Belafon

An immigration official tried to convince a woman that she crossed over alone after she was separated from her child: m.dailykos.com

Are we dealing with thugs or ghouls here?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:07:58am

re: #189 Belafon

An immigration official tried to convince a woman that she crossed over alone after she was separated from her child: m.dailykos.com

These people are so evil.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:08:11am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Are we dealing with thugs or ghouls here?

Ghoulish thugs.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:11:59am
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Jay C  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:19:09am

re: #164 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’ve been reading up a lot on the Vichy French regime during World War II and on French collaboration in general. It is a complex and very interesting story. Needless to say, it is a primary focus of French historians and a source of bitter controversy to this day.
There seem to be some parallels to our situation today, except that the Vichyites were quite open about what they were doing.

It is an interesting subject: but - and I will admit that I am not quite au courant with the historiographical aspects of research into Vichy, but it has always been my impression that - at least until VERY recently (perhaps), French historians tended to very much shy away from any serious analysis of their country’s experience in WWII in favor of A) simply repeating the standard triumphalist Gaullist/Free French/Resistance line, or B) ignoring the wartime years (and especially Vichy) altogether.

Option B) is kind of understandable: but AFAICT, most of the recent work on the Vichy years has been done by non-French historians (though I could easily be wrong)

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:23:00am

In other news, Netflix just cancelled Punisher and Jessica Jones. The latter show is what got my wife into watching the Marvel shows (just a bit), because it was such a finely layered look at the aftermath of trauma and gaslighting, as filtered through a sci-fi interface.

Season 1 of Jessica Jones is probably the best deconstruction of what powers really do to your psyche outside of all the Alan Moore “heroes are really pervs in spandex” stuff.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:29:51am

re: #195 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

In other news, Netflix just cancelled Punisher and Jessica Jones. The latter show is what got my wife into watching the Marvel shows (just a bit), because it was such a finely layered look at the aftermath of trauma and gaslighting, as filtered through a sci-fi interface.

Season 1 of Jessica Jones is probably the best deconstruction of what powers really do to your psyche outside of all the Alan Moore “heroes are really pervs in spandex” stuff.

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Spent yesterday binging Netflix new Umbrella Academy, if you want to see a show about an extremely dysfunctional group of super heroes!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:33:32am

Mitch McConnell is useless, but I did call Rand Paul to express opposition to the national emergency, since its the sort of executive overreach he will sometimes oppose on principle, whereas McConnell has no principles.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:34:14am
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:35:40am

re: #135 GlutenFreeJesus

Remember that woman that called Michelle Obama an ape in heels? She defrauded FEMA to the tune of $18k.

wtsp.com

Story says she could get 30 years in jail. For stealing money meant for flood victims by falsely claiming her home was damaged, when it was not. Thief. Liar. Grifter. Racist.

GOP base.

Garbage people gonna garbage, I guess.

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makeitstop  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:37:46am

re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:38:31am

re: #196 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Spent yesterday binging Netflix new Umbrella Academy, if you want to see a show about an extremely dysfunctional group of super heroes!

Was wondering how that show was going to play out. Watching “The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel”, that show is awesome.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:39:54am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Are we dealing with thugs or ghouls here?

Yes, we are.

Both!

I’m thinking it is part of the job.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:41:30am

‘i didn’t need to do it, it was just faster’

never has anyone been so ill suited to a job that has (had?) limitations via rules regarding powers, what you can and cant (shouldnt) do

people really voted for him, and he really walked in thinking in some perverse way, effective administrator, people will do what i say, etc.

now it’s morphed into more dictatorial authoritarianism, partially because so far, the ‘i can do what i want, screw the congress, the courts, the constitution” approach really hasnt worked out too well.

judges, regulation rollbacks and that stuff dont count. those powers are there. we just dont like how theyre being used

and dont get me started on ‘i only hire the best’ and ‘worlds greatest negotiator’ nonsense

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wrenchwench  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:45:02am

re: #203 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Did you have a good run yesterday?

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:45:54am

re: #196 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Spent yesterday binging Netflix new Umbrella Academy, if you want to see a show about an extremely dysfunctional group of super heroes!

Years ago, I saw a line outside my usual comic-book shop. It was unusually young, excited girls. WTF?

Turned out that the author of Umbrella Academy was there to sign his books. Which is a thing, yeah, and I’ve gotten books signed by Neil Gaiman & Millar (fanboi alert!) and had long conversations with others … but this seemed different.

TIL that Gerard Way is the lead singer of My Chemical Romance.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:52:06am

re: #205 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

It’s like when Nathan Fillion shows up to Comicon for Firefly and the women show up for Castle.

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darthstar  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:53:01am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:53:34am

re: #194 Jay C

It is an interesting subject: but - and I will admit that I am not quite au courant with the historiographical aspects of research into Vichy, but it has always been my impression that - at least until VERY recently (perhaps), French historians tended to very much shy away from any serious analysis of their country’s experience in WWII in favor of A) simply repeating the standard triumphalist Gaullist/Free French/Resistance line, or B) ignoring the wartime years (and especially Vichy) altogether.

Option B) is kind of understandable: but AFAICT, most of the recent work on the Vichy years has been done by non-French historians (though I could easily be wrong)

To begin with, the Gaullist/Free French and Resistance lines are two different things. DeGaulle’s Free French were often at odds with the internal resistance and this has carried over into post-war historiography. It is true that until fairly recently, eg the Chirac regime, the official line was to minimize or completely reject any connection between Vichy and the French Republic, both before and after.

Vichy Syndrome

Until Jacques Chirac’s presidency, the official point of view of the French government was that the Vichy regime was an illegal government distinct from the French Republic, established by traitors under foreign influence.
…….While the criminal behaviour of Vichy France was consistently acknowledged, this point of view denied any responsibility of the state of France, alleging that acts committed between 1940 and 1944 were unconstitutional acts devoid of legitimacy.

This has changed significantly in recent years, with the French government acknowledging responsibility to an increasing degree. This had been obvious for a long time though, with the great leniency shown many (but not all ) collaborationists once the initial wave of reprisals had subsided as one indicator.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 18, 2019 • 9:58:55am

re: #201 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Was wondering how that show was going to play out. Watching “The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel”, that show is awesome.

All caught up on Mrs. Maisel, top notch show.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:00:25am

re: #206 Belafon

It’s like when Nathan Fillion shows up to Comicon for Firefly and the women show up for Castle.

… and then there are the quirky ones that show up for Capt. Hammer …

And all this happened because of the writer’s strike
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:02:09am

re: #207 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Yeah, he should just take his silver blanket, lay down on the floor, and shut the fuck up about not being able to see his family.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:04:26am

re: #211 Eventual Carrion

Yeah, he should just take his silver blanket, lay down on the floor, and shut the fuck up about not being able to see his family.

“That’s OK, you’re just being adopted out to a new family, one that requires nightly lockups.”

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:04:52am

re: #204 wrenchwench

Did you have a good run yesterday?

Not bad, not great. A respectable performance, impressive as in any marathon finish is.
it was too darn hot. temps went from 67 to near 80 and my race plan went to hell around mile 21

for silver lining, the first time i ran this race i came in top 40% overall and division
second time 60% overall and division.

this time 25% overall and a division 6th place.

In a few days i’ll post what’s coming next….

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:05:34am

BEWARE!

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:06:33am

re: #207 darthstar

Paul Manafort’s lawyers say his health is failing & he’s depressed, due to the facility’s visitation regulations, has had very little contact with his family.thefix.com …

‘failing health’ because you are in jail or prison because you are a convicted, and mostly confessed felon, is no reason for anyone to care (much) or do anything about it

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:08:35am

re: #212 Belafon

“That’s OK, you’re just being adopted out to a new family, one that requires nightly lockups.”

If he’s lonely, I hope he gets to share a prison cell with his old partner, Roger Stone. They can reminisce about the good old days of graft, dirty tricks and representing murderous dictators.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:11:02am

You know what Manafort really hates about jail/prison?

No hair color.

Yep, now he has to look his age. It’s killing him.

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:13:27am

It’s Monday, so…collusion-conspiracy-conflict-of-interest, continued.

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darthstar  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:15:15am

re: #217 ObserverArt

You know what Manafort really hates about jail/prison?

No hair color.

Yep, now he has to look his age. It’s killing him.

I’m so glad he’s getting a big sentence. That’s gotta be sending chills to people like Stone and Don Jr. Papadopolous probably has been thinking he needs to shut up about complaining over his two weeks.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:15:23am

re: #207 darthstar

Last I checked, the family wasn’t broke…they don’t face 12 hour drives to visit, and they can afford to take the time from their schedules to go visit him…they just don’t want to.

WOMP WOMP.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:15:52am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:16:34am
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darthstar  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:17:28am

re: #218 jaunte

[Embedded content]

It’s Monday, so…collusion-conspiracy-conflict-of-interest, continued.

Barr can’t tell Trump what’s going on with the investigation…that would be wrong. But he can talk to his daughter at the dinner table about his day.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:18:27am

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wrenchwench  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:19:54am

re: #213 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

In a few days i’ll post what’s coming next….

Tease.

In my 5k, there was a woman I figured (correctly) was in my category, who I knew about, but only met at the sign in, where we chatted a bit, and I started at the back of the ‘crowd’, she was ahead of me, and I found myself wanting to cross the finish ahead of her. Which I did. (Passed her three times.) Then I learned she had not run at all since last year’s 5k.

Have you ever paced yourself by someone else? (I kept it ‘reasonable’, walking when needed, tying my shoe when needed…). You seem a bit more self-contained. Does it come with experience?

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:25:39am

re: #215 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

‘failing health’ because you are in jail or prison because you are a convicted, and mostly confessed felon, is no reason for anyone to care (much) or do anything about it

Didn’t there used to be a somethingsomething don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time somethingsomething. I think a bird sang it. Or somethingsomething.

Yeah. Fuck Manny. May he rot in hell.

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Marsupial  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:27:18am

re: #103 Single-handed sailor

Wait until the new chart comes out tomorrow night. I’m thinking there’s going to be a lot more white on that map. (6+ inches of rain and a big snowpack should do it!)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:32:04am

5TH AVE SHOOTING: TRUMP CLAIMS HE WAS JUST STANDING HIS GROUND.

TRUMP SAYS 5TH AVE VICTIM WAS HOSTILE AND AGGRESSIVE: “I HAD TO DO IT”

NEW QUESTIONS EMERGE ABOUT MOTIVATIONS OF PERSON SHOT BY TRUMP ON 5TH AVE

“5TH AVE SHOOTING WAS LIBERAL PLOT!” SAYS TRUMP IN EARLY MORNING TWEET

JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WEIGHS CHARGES AGAINST TRUMP FOR 5TH AVE SHOOTING

WHY DONALD TRUMP WAS RIGHT TO SHOOT - CHRIS CILLIZZA

TRUMP SUGGESTS VICTIM OF 5TH AVENUE SHOOTING MAY HAVE BEEN AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT

COURT THROWS OUT LAWSUIT BY FAMILY OF TRUMP SHOOTING VICTIM

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:38:39am
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wrenchwench  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:45:48am

re: #229 jaunte

[“You are watching a fundamental attack on the constitution of the United States.

Listen, Ali, simply put, this is the single most serious investigation in the history of the United States…” @MalcolmNance]

I follow Malcolm Nance on twitter. Will that help?

/I voted. Did that help?

//I voted again. I think that helped.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:47:09am

re: #220 Sufficient unto the day…

Last I checked, the family wasn’t broke…they don’t face 12 hour drives to visit, and they can afford to take the time from their schedules to go visit him…they just don’t want to.

WOMP WOMP.

prison is not an ‘inconvenience’ or an ‘uncomfortable annoyance’

it’s punishment
for having committed felonies

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Alephnaught  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:47:36am

re: #148 MsJ

Fucking autocorrect.

A friend of mine in Edinburgh refers to it as “auto-carrot”, which I can go along with.

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Old Liberal  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:53:30am

re: #208 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

To begin with, the Gaullist/Free French and Resistance lines are two different things. DeGaulle’s Free French were often at odds with the internal resistance and this has carried over into post-war historiography. It is true that until fairly recently, eg the Chirac regime, the official line was to minimize or completely reject any connection between Vichy and the French Republic, both before and after.

Vichy Syndrome

This has changed significantly in recent years, with the French government acknowledging responsibility to an increasing degree. This had been obvious for a long time though, with the great leniency shown many (but not all ) collaborationists once the initial wave of reprisals had subsided as one indicator.

France had a strong fascist movement at the time of the invasion. They also had a strong Communist movement. Many of the fascists didn’t mind Nazi help to kill Communist. Much of the French resistance were Communists and toward the end of the war they were betrayed to the Nazis so they weren’t around for the war’s end. Very similar thing happened in Greece. Fascists will sell out their country to keep political control.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 18, 2019 • 10:57:49am

re: #225 wrenchwench

Tease.

In my 5k, there was a woman I figured (correctly) was in my category, who I knew about, but only met at the sign in, where we chatted a bit, and I started at the back of the ‘crowd’, she was ahead of me, and I found myself wanting to cross the finish ahead of her. Which I did. (Passed her three times.) Then I learned she had not run at all since last year’s 5k.

Have you ever paced yourself by someone else? (I kept it ‘reasonable’, walking when needed, tying my shoe when needed…). You seem a bit more self-contained. Does it come with experience?

- oh yes, from experience i ‘know’ my paces by feel.
- learning to run consistently without constant aids/feedback is important (imo)
- and yes, i pace off other people all the time; after i’ve found my pace and settled in. sometimes it’s just easier to follow along for a bit; usually the first 1/4 to 1/2 of a race. because lots of people run with phones and watches and use them to pace themselves so they are ‘reliable’ but only early on. (i use a plain watch with a 30 split button).
- i run a lot of negative split races - (ok i plan to). the second half faster than the first, so then pacing others wont work. instead i imagine i’m reeling them in one by one, like with a fishing pole, pass them and move on to the next one


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