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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 12:36:27pm
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Interesting Times  Mar 5, 2019 • 12:37:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 12:40:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 12:41:13pm
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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2019 • 12:45:28pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

President Trump wrote

Assumes facts not in evidence.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 12:47:57pm

re: #2 Interesting Times

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So there are people who approve of Trump who think he committed crimes before becoming POTUS. Tell me more about crooked Hillary guys:

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2019 • 12:50:05pm
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nines09  Mar 5, 2019 • 12:52:39pm
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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2019 • 12:54:20pm

A single company, Google, conducted a study of its own hiring/employment, and found that men were underpaid relative to women.

For that Fox goes all in as proof the gender gap doesn’t exist - or worse - that men are the ones underpaid.

Heck fucknuts, all employees are underpaid, especially relative to CEOs and ownership that reap in 200x what the average employee makes, which is a far cry from the ratio just a few decades ago of 20-1. CEO wages/compensation jumped while employee wages stagnated, even though it’s the employees who do the work of growing the value of the business and often lose their jobs even if the company shows profits, because they’re trying to goose profits while minimizing expenses.

But multiple studies show women underpaid compared to men. The gap also is worse depending on the region/state. Not surprisingly, CA, NY have lower wage gaps, but the south (excluding FL) has high wage gap.

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:03:27pm

All documents relating to the following:
a)Trump Campaign or Trump Transition contacts or communications with, or on behalf of, or regarding Russia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, or Saudi Arabia.

b)Any loan, financing transaction, or capital investment by the Russian Federation, any Russian national, any Russian business, or any other Russian entity to the Trump Organization, Donald Trump, Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, or any of their Business Interests. This request shall include the period from January 1, 2015 to the present and shall exclude documents relating to the purchase of individual condominium, cooperative, or apartment units.

c)Any contacts, direct or indirect, from January 1, 2015 to January 20, 2017 between or involving the Russian Federation and its officials, agents, intermediaries, and/or instrumentalities and any of the following: Donald Trump, the Trump Campaign, the Trump Organization, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn, Jeff Sessions, Jared Kushner, Thomas Bossert, Roger Stone, Jerome Corsi, George Papadopoulos, Carter Page, Konstantin Kilimnik, K.T. McFarland, and/or Erik Princ

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:03:54pm

mohr winning…

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:04:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:05:30pm

I swear, Del does the greatest food pics on twitter.
And it’s not even his usual Friday feast photos…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:06:54pm

the moron makes me ill

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:07:30pm

another one is out…

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:12:28pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

….Scott has helped us to lower drug prices, get a record number of generic drugs approved and onto the market, and so many other things. He and his talents will be greatly missed!

another one is out…

Was there actually a reduction in drug prices?

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:14:49pm

re: #16 Hecuba’s daughter

No. There wasn’t. There might have been a slowdown in the increases, but that’s not the same thing, and that’s not what he’s arguing.

Drug prices are continuing to rise, and for every show cut as Lilly did with their cut to an insulin med, 96 other drugs saw price hikes.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:17:20pm

re: #16 Hecuba’s daughter

Was there actually a reduction in drug prices?

Sure was. Reduced from $2 to $5.

/

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Sir John Barron  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:19:13pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

We have always been pulling out troops out of/keeping our troops in Syria.

/

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Dave In Austin  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:19:14pm

Quote of the day
“I don’t know any “Crime Families” but I have done work on the Trump Org.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:20:03pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:20:28pm
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Charmingly Persistent  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:21:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:22:34pm

re: #21 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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I like LH’s list. I’d switch Beto and Warren for me since Beto is one of my faves.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:23:26pm

Merkley of Oregon announced he’s not running. I like him but I’m not sure how he’d be as a president.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:23:58pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I like LH’s list. I’d switch Beto and Warren for me since Beto is one of my faves.

He is on a personal level but practically and strategically I don’t think he is well positioned enough (yet)

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:28:13pm

re: #23 Charmingly Persistent

Don’t make me come back there. /mom 2024
I warned you but you didn’t listen /mom 2020
You look famished; lemme make you some brisket and roast potatoes /mom 2020

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:30:02pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I like LH’s list. I’d switch Beto and Warren for me since Beto is one of my faves.

I don’t know enough about any of them to judge one way or another, except I don’t want Bernie or Gabbard. We’ll see who is still in the running when I finally get to vote in the primary. Kentucky votes late, but in both ‘08 and ‘16 there were still two candidates to choose from, and that’s likely to be the case next year as well.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:30:04pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I like LH’s list. I’d switch Beto and Warren for me since Beto is one of my faves.

We’ve had this discussion before, but I think I’d be okay with anyone in the top tier being the nominee, and anyone in the top 2-3 being their VP.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:32:21pm

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is on a personal level but practically and strategically I don’t think he is well positioned enough (yet)

I think with O’Rourke. It’s unfortunate since Texas just re-elected its Governor.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:33:09pm

re: #29 lawhawk

We’ve had this discussion before, but I think I’d be okay with anyone in the top tier being the nominee, and anyone in the top 2-3 being their VP.

Ditto. I don’t dislike Warren at all. I just like Beto more but we should have a great team.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:34:05pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Ditto. I don’t dislike Warren at all. I just like Beto more but we should have a great team.

I’m still partial to Beto/Duckworth.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:34:11pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

Merkley of Oregon announced he’s not running. I like him but I’m not sure how he’d be as a president.

I like Jay Inslee, he’s my Governor, and I’m sure he’d do fine as President (Low bar any more….), but I see him more as a comfortable VP choice to balance a “flashier” Presidential candidate—sort of like Tim Kaine in 2016.

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:35:03pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Ditto. I don’t dislike Warren at all. I just like Beto more but we should have a great team.

I’m with you. I like Warren alot… Where she is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:36:31pm
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MsJ  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:37:36pm
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MsJ  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:38:49pm
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Belafon  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:39:40pm

re: #36 MsJ

Bueller’s just here to borrow your dad’s car.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:42:22pm

re: #28 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I don’t know enough about any of them to judge one way or another, except I don’t want Bernie or Gabbard. We’ll see who is still in the running when I finally get to vote in the primary. Kentucky votes late, but in both ‘08 and ‘16 there were still two candidates to choose from, and that’s likely to be the case next year as well.

It’s going to be interesting. I hope it comes down to someone like Warren versus someone like Booker, O’Rourke, or Harris or maybe Inslee who I want to learn more about

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:42:35pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:42:46pm

re: #38 Belafon

Bueller’s just here to borrow your dad’s car.

Bueller thinks the odometer goes backwards when the car’s in reverse. He must be a Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:42:54pm

re: #33 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I like Jay Inslee, he’s my Governor, and I’m sure he’d do fine as President (Low bar any more….), but I see him more as a comfortable VP choice to balance a “flashier” Presidential candidate—sort of like Tim Kaine in 2016.

Maybe Booker or Harris-Inslee?

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:42:58pm

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

Sir, this is McDonald’s drive through.. move along.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:43:32pm

re: #41 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, Ben Stein was his econ/history teacher, so that makes sense.

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:43:39pm

Chalk up another $20 million theft from taxpayers to Trump’s tab.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:46:40pm

wah wah wah

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:47:24pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

wah wah wah

Then he shouldn’t have run for office.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:49:47pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:49:58pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:50:42pm

re: #47 Belafon

Then he shouldn’t have run for office.

I still say he was actually running for John McCain’s gig as President-in-Exile on all the Sunday shows. Nobody was more surprised than he was when he actually won. Well…”won”.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:51:29pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump surrounded himself with criminals and cronies who would tell him what he wanted to hear, and would fix things for him regardless of the legality. That goes for every aspect of his business, and it carried into the WH.

Now he’s getting the first taste of oversight he can’t control or pay off (as may have happened as NYC prosecutors looked at bringing fraud charges against Ivanka and Jared over real estate fraud a few years back; a well timed/placed donation also ended Florida investigation into Trump’s scam school and Biondi is still in Trump’s corner.).

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:54:53pm

re: #47 Belafon

Then he shouldn’t have run for office.

To be fair: he initially believed he couldn’t win; he was doing it to boost his media presence. He certainly did everything during the campaign to lose the nomination: after all his insults to McCain and to Mexicans and his claim that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue were not designed to get wide support. But despite all this, he won and now he’s doing everything possible to protect himself because he knows that any thorough investigation into his finances would bring his empire down.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:55:36pm

re: #49 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

Kushner should never have been anywhere near the WH, even on the tour.

He failed his background checks, and he repeatedly omitted details from his SF86. Each of his submissions omitted details, and each omission is a felony as Rep. Lieu notes.

The only reason he’s not perpwalked so far is his father in law is Trump. Otherwise, he’d have been long gone.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:56:12pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

wah wah wah

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:57:38pm

re: #50 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

re: #52 Hecuba’s daughter

I agree with both of you. Far too many people, including Trump, played games thinking Clinton would win. Trump, Comey, Bernie, Stein voters. I know a lot of people have learned their lesson. Hopefully a few more will.

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Chrysicat  Mar 5, 2019 • 1:58:28pm
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:00:02pm

re: #21 NO SMOCKING GUN!

lawhawk @lawhawk * 35m

Preferences
Tier One: Harris, Booker, Warren, Gillibrand (no order ranking yet)
Tier Two: Beto, Brown, Garcetti, Inslee, Castro, Klobuchar
Tier Three: McAuliffe, Delaney, Ojeda, Buttigieg; Hickenlooper
Tier Four: Biden
Tier Five (just go away): Bernie, Tulsi.
Out: Bloomberg

A couple tweaks from me:
Switch Beto and Booker because Beto’s ground game is just too damn good, and there hasn’t been anything from Booker yet that tells me that he can rally a huge voter base.
Switch Biden and Inslee - the only reason Biden’s not Tier One is because of his age, and he’s probably the best of the bunch who can round up the working-class white guy votes that proved to be crucial in 2016.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:00:25pm

re: #56 Chrysicat

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:00:25pm

re: #56 Chrysicat

Don’t. Cornyn isn’t going to get much of a challenge unless George P. Bush runs against him.

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:01:17pm
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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:02:03pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:03:53pm

re: #55 Belafon

I agree with both of you. Far too many people, including Trump, played games thinking Clinton would win. Trump, Comey, Bernie, Stein voters. I know a lot of people have learned their lesson. Hopefully a few more will.

The true Bernie Bros and Stein voters I know have not learned anything. It’s Bernie or Bust for them.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:04:09pm

I actually think Beto as VP candidate would be more helpful in getting someone like Hegar or Castro elected as Senator than he would be on his own, because that would be two strong pulls for Democrats in Texas rather than just one.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:05:31pm

It’s pretty early to start making ranked lists, but I will make a decision: No money goes to anyone until the candidate is chosen. There is no sense in paying Democrats to kneecap Democrats, and the eventual winner will need it all.

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:07:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:11:45pm
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Chrysicat  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:11:54pm

re: #58 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Have you ever wanted to vote down a comment because you really hate what it’s saying, even when there’s no possible argument that it was in bad faith—just that the comment bears bad news?

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:11:58pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

“A legal theory that has long been whispered about by legal experts and veteran prosecutors has spilled out into the open… the possibility that Donald Trump and the Trump Organization are being investigated as a criminal enterprise…”

NYT

“Indicting the whole Trump Organization as a ‘corrupt enterprise’ could also help prosecutors address the thorny question of whether the president can be indicted in office; they could lay out a whole pattern of criminal activity, indict numerous players — including perhaps Trump family members — and leave the president himself as a named, unindicted co-conspirator. Such an action would allow investigators to make public all the known activity for Congress and the public to consider as part of impeachment hearings or re-election. It would also activate powerful forfeiture tools for prosecutors that could allow them to seize the Trump Organization’s assets and cut off its income streams.”

“The irony will be that if federal prosecutors decide to move against President Trump’s empire and family together, he’ll have one man’s model to thank: his own TV lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, who perfected the template to tackle precisely that type of criminal enterprise.”

do i bold it all?

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:14:27pm

re: #68 Man, DangerMan

NYT

do i bold it all?

That would be so delicious I’d go off my diet to eat it all up. Every last calorie.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:14:35pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

It’s pretty early to start making ranked lists, but I will make a decision: No money goes to anyone until the candidate is chosen. There is no sense in paying Democrats to kneecap Democrats, and the eventual winner will need it all.

I understand that and have followed that principle for other races throughout the years, except when I was actually working on behalf of a candidate. However, we do have the Bernie problem where his supporters boast of his deep support and the money he has received. We have to make sure he is dismissed quickly and that won’t be easy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:15:06pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

wah wah wah

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He’s taking a wrecking ball to ours. Is it wrong for us to repay the favor?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:18:04pm

So much of Trump’s rage at Obama was projection. Shocka.

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:18:48pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

It’s pretty early to start making ranked lists, but I will make a decision: No money goes to anyone until the candidate is chosen. There is no sense in paying Democrats to kneecap Democrats, and the eventual winner will need it all.

Isn’t that the rule? do we have rules?

/I have no idea how these things work

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Decatur Deb  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:18:53pm

re: #70 Hecuba’s daughter

I understand that and have followed that principle for other races throughout the years, except when I was actually working on behalf of a candidate. However, we do have the Bernie problem where his supporters boast of his deep support and the money he has received. We have to make sure he is dismissed quickly and that won’t be easy.

If the gods (in their cruelty) make Bernie the Non-Trump, he gets my money, time, and vote.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:20:24pm

WHUT

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:21:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:21:34pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT

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Yeah, I saw that earlier.

I don’t exactly get how riding your mother and sisters coat tails equals self made, but…

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Dave In Austin  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:22:20pm

She really is a pretty good follow.

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:24:22pm

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, I saw that earlier.

I don’t exactly get how riding your mother and sisters coat tails equals self made, but…

She started a cosmetics company. That’s where most of her wealth came from.

Plus, she buys real estate like I buy shoes.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:25:34pm

re: #67 Chrysicat

Have you ever wanted to vote down a comment because you really hate what it’s saying, even when there’s no possible argument that it was in bad faith—just that the comment bears bad news?

Shoot the messenger!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:26:35pm
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MsJ  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:26:43pm

re: #79 MsJ

She started a cosmetics company. That’s where most of her wealth came from.

Plus, she buys real estate like I buy shoes.

As an addendum, when she releases new lip sticks, they literally sell out in two hours.

Her fame is manufactured. Her wealth isn’t.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:27:59pm

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT

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??? What about Oprah?? Isn’t she a self-made billionaire — with no family wealth behind her?

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:28:05pm

pretty scathing:

Trump boldly asserts that he has learned nothing these past two years

“The president has made the denial of dignity to certain people and groups a political rallying cry. This kind of cruelty and dehumanization is the defining commitment of his political life. He is not merely undignified as a leader; he is committed to stripping away the dignity possessed by others.”

“There is a tie between incivility and injustice. When a president uses his office to demean others, he is undermining an essential democratic premise — that those out of power are still protected from abuse by general respect for their inherent worth and dignity. They are still partners in a common enterprise. And they deserve better than cruelty and contempt.”

what we’ve been saying all along

a ‘common enterprise’ is a clash of value systems, each of which is in some way valid; a competition between basically well-intentioned people who see the world differently, while accepting the validity of the other side.

- liberty and just for all means all or it means nothing
- James Baldwin: “We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.”
- for our two party system to work there must be TWO principled sides working in good faith

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:29:35pm

re: #83 Hecuba’s daughter

??? What about Oprah?? Isn’t she a self-made billionaire — with no family wealth behind her?

the first articles I saw today said she was the youngest, not the first

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Charmingly Persistent  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:30:18pm

re: #83 Hecuba’s daughter

??? What about Oprah?? Isn’t she a self-made billionaire — with no family wealth behind her?

It’s misstated - she’s the youngest self-made billionaire. And that just means she didn’t inherit it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:30:34pm

re: #83 Hecuba’s daughter

??? What about Oprah?? Isn’t she a self-made billionaire — with no family wealth behind her?

J.K. Rowling
Bill Gates
Jeff Bezos

The list goes on and on.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:37:22pm

re: #86 Charmingly Persistent

It’s misstated - she’s the youngest self-made billionaire. And that just means she didn’t inherit it.

Ah, okay. That makes sense.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:39:09pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

wah wah wah

Gee, he says that like it’s a bad thing.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:40:32pm

re: #61 Ace Rothstein

So what coal executive will Trump name to replace him?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:42:31pm

what a fucking pig

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:42:41pm

re: #84 Man, DangerMan

‘A common enterprise” mean nothing when one side is dedicated to being they most sadistic they can possibly be toward those not exactly like them.

Sadism is at the root of Trump and his followers.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:43:17pm

re: #90 Skip Intro

So what coal executive will Trump name to replace him?

Probably a big pharma executive. Is Martin Shkreli available?

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:43:55pm

re: #90 Skip Intro

So what coal executive will Trump name to replace him?

It will probably be someone from the Sackler family.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:44:09pm

re: #93 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Probably a big pharma executive. Is Martin Shkreli available?

Manchin’s wife or daughter

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:45:47pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

what a fucking pig

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She could visit him in jail. And laugh. And ask him if his basket is comfortable with just one deplorable in it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:48:58pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:49:30pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

It’s pretty early to start making ranked lists, but I will make a decision: No money goes to anyone until the candidate is chosen. There is no sense in paying Democrats to kneecap Democrats, and the eventual winner will need it all.

I only caught the last bit of Nicole Wallace’s show, and she had Alyssa Mastromonaco (Vice Media) on and she said she had a worry that all of the Democrat candidates will take up all the money in the primaries and there will not be enough contributions for the general elections.

I think that can be an additional worry.

The other I have, and has been expressed by others here, is we get a popular but weak to the majority of Democratic voters candidate because the really good candidates take each other down. Sort of like with Trump.

And yes, I know there is a fear that opens the door to Bernard.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:51:41pm

Lre: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

Manchin’s wife or daughter

It was his daughter.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:52:09pm

A Brookfield man broke a measles quarantine to go to the gym, complaint says

In violation of a health-department measles quarantine, a Brookfield man and his wife were charged after visiting a local health club, according to a criminal complaint.

Jeffery Murawski told a deputy he hid in his car while his wife drove him to Gold’s Gym in Waukesha — so he would not be spotted by another deputy stationed outside his house to keep him from leaving.

Although the alleged incident took place 10 months ago, Christine Bennett, 58, and Murawski, 57, were charged with one count each of exposing the public to communicable disease, a misdemeanor, on March 1 in Waukesha County Circuit Court.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:52:51pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

L

It was his daughter.

I know, but his wife was also involved (especially in her capacity as a WV political appointee in making up the requirements for schools to carry the epipens)

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:55:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:56:02pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

I know, but his wife was also involved (especially in her capacity as a WV political appointee in making up the requirements for schools to carry the epipens)

Oh sorry. Didn’t know his wife was involved. I really dislike Manchin. I get he’s a necessary evil but by my least favorite Democrat in Congress:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:56:32pm

re: #102 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Assholes.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 2:58:07pm

re: #98 ObserverArt

I only caught the last bit of Nicole Wallace’s show, and she had Alyssa Mastromonaco (Vice Media) on and she said she had a worry that all of the Democrat candidates will take up all the money in the primaries and there will not be enough contributions for the general elections.

I think that can be an additional worry.

The other I have, and has been expressed by others here, is we get a popular but weak to the majority of Democratic voters candidate because the really good candidates take each other down. Sort of like with Trump.

And yes, I know there is a fear that opens the door to Bernard.

An acquaintance who hates Trump has confided he would vote for Trump over Bernie. I fear that there are many who share that view. Someone with a devoted base can sweep through the primaries when we are offered so many competitors.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:00:15pm

re: #105 Hecuba’s daughter

An acquaintance who hates Trump has confided he would vote for Trump over Bernie. I fear that there are many who share that view. Someone with a devoted base can sweep through the primaries when we are offered so many competitors.

Bernie’s not going to sweep through the primaries. I do worry though that Bernie would be a weak GE candidate tho.

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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:01:19pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

So much of Trump’s rage at Obama was projection. Shocka.

All of Trump is projection.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:02:39pm

re: #107 ObserverArt

All of Trump is projection.

Yep. If he accused someone of cannibalism, I’d expect it come out that he tried human flesh.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:04:57pm

Trump can’t be underestimated but at the same time, I think he’s going to have a hard time as an incumbent. He might be the rare guy who benefits as a challenger with an empty slate over an incumbent.

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plansbandc  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:05:01pm

If you would vote for Trump over any Dem candidate, then go fuck yourself. You are part of the problem.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:06:57pm

Personal update:

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:07:02pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Bernie’s not going to sweep through the primaries. I do worry though that Bernie would be a weak GE candidate tho.

And in the unlikely event he was elected, he would be a terrible one term President and disastrous for the country. He would be replaced by some Paul Ryan or Michael Pence clone who worships the Koch Bros.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:08:07pm

re: #110 plansbandc

If you would vote for Trump over any Dem candidate, then go fuck yourself. You are part of the problem.

Yep. Anyone But Trump. Simple as that. He didn’t deserve a first term and he sure as hell doesn’t deserve a second.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:09:18pm

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

And in the unlikely event he was elected, he would be a terrible one term President and disastrous for the country. He would be replaced by some Paul Ryan or Michael Pence clone who worships the Koch Bros.

He would just be a disaster. We might get some short fixes but it would be reversed easily.

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:12:13pm

re: #105 Hecuba’s daughter

An acquaintance who hates Trump has confided he would vote for Trump over Bernie. I fear that there are many who share that view. Someone with a devoted base can sweep through the primaries when we are offered so many competitors.

Is never vote for trump. Ever. But I might sit out of Bernie was the only option. Four more years of bad shit. I just don’t know if I could bite that bullet.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:13:51pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Personal update:

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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:14:05pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Personal update:

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:14:36pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

wah wah wah

“He (Trump) believes they are taking a wrecking ball to his life.” - Lindsey Graham

he could have kept his quiet life
living in the shadows
laundering russian money
and gone unnoticed

his ego wouldnt allow it
he chose to climb into this fishbowl
that by itself proves he’s not too bright

then some people found out what the rest of us new yorkers knew:
not only is he a criminal
he’s a stupid and inept criminal

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:15:32pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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sagehen  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:15:41pm

re: #55 Belafon

I agree with both of you. Far too many people, including Trump, played games thinking Clinton would win. Trump, Comey, Bernie, Stein voters. I know a lot of people have learned their lesson. Hopefully a few more will.

One of my favorite twitter quotes from 2 years ago:

rachel claire
‏@rachie_claire

I have a list of every friend who told me Hillary was just as bad as Trump and I read the list to myself every night like Arya Stark.

5:34 PM - 28 Jan 2017

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:15:57pm

re: #102 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

The top White House lawyer said the Trump administration will refuse to provide Congress with information about senior adviser Jared Kushner’s security clearance, slamming House Democrats for “overly intrusive document requests”

guy’s on ‘executive time’ more than half of every day
there’s plenty of time

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:15:59pm

re: #115 MsJ

Is never vote for trump. Ever. But I might sit out of Bernie was the only option. Four more years of bad shit. I just don’t know if I could bite that bullet.

We’d have to. That said, I’d hate that election so much.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:16:27pm

re: #115 MsJ

Is never vote for trump. Ever. But I might sit out of Bernie was the only option. Four more years of bad shit. I just don’t know if I could bite that bullet.

I would vote for Bernie but believe he would be an unmitigated disaster and likely would depress the Democratic votes, leading to a veto proof GOP House and Senate.

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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:16:29pm

re: #118 Man, DangerMan

he could have kept his quiet life
living in the shadows
laundering russian money
and gone unnoticed

his ego wouldnt allow it
he chose to climb into this fishbowl
that by itself proves he’s not too bright

then some people found out what the rest of us new yorkers knew:
not only is he a criminal
he’s a stupid and inept criminal

The Dummy Don only good for dummies he conned.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:16:40pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Oh sorry. Didn’t know his wife was involved. I really dislike Manchin. I get he’s a necessary evil but by my least favorite Democrat in Congress:

Still better than literally any Republican who would replace him.

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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:18:08pm

re: #120 sagehen

One of my favorite twitter quotes from 2 years ago:

rachel claire
‏@rachie_claire

I have a list of every friend who told me Hillary was just as bad as Trump and I read the list to myself every night like Arya Stark.

5:34 PM - 28 Jan 2017

One question. Is she still friends with any of them?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:18:22pm

re: #125 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Still better than literally any Republican who would replace him.

Yeah I get that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:19:57pm

re: #123 Hecuba’s daughter

I would vote for Bernie but believe he would be an unmitigated disaster and likely would depress the Democratic votes, leading to a veto proof GOP House and Senate.

The thing is Bernie doesn’t even seem to see having a Dem majority as important. That really bothers me and it should bother people who think he should be President but they refuse to see Bernie’s faults as both a man and politician.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:20:01pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Bernie’s not going to sweep through the primaries. I do worry though that Bernie would be a weak GE candidate tho.

My biggest worry about Bernie is that he gets a plurality, but not a majority of the delegates, loses to a non-Bernie candidate, then the Berniebros are outraged that the nomination was “stolen” from him and work to tear down the nominee. So I’m hoping Bernie does very poorly in the primaries.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:20:03pm
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:20:31pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

(sorry)

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:20:57pm

re: #74 Decatur Deb

If the gods (in their cruelty) make Bernie the Non-Trump, he gets my money, time, and vote.

In the meantime, we need to make it clear that any candidate who (as you put it) kneecaps another is off the list (barring an indictment for murder or sometking). Use campaign funds to show why you are best, not why others are bad.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:22:42pm

re: #129 NO SMOCKING GUN!

My biggest worry about Bernie is that he gets a plurality, but not a majority of the delegates, loses to a non-Bernie candidate, then the Berniebros are outraged that the nomination was “stolen” from him and work to tear down the nominee. So I’m hoping Bernie does very poorly in the primaries.

I think he’s going to get a lot of his weaknesses exposed this time.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:24:04pm

re: #102 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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So the House sues, win, and then begin impeachment proceedings when he still doesn’t.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:25:31pm
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sagehen  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:26:28pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Best comment on that article:

5 minutes ago
It’s not the grades he’s hiding, those would be an easy deflection, especially since there are lots of successful people who weren’t stellar high school students.

It’s the disciplinary records. Which means they are BAD. Like serial killer in the making kinda bad.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:26:32pm

I would just like a Sanders supporter to tell me what about Bernie makes him presidential material. I really really think people too often want an ideologue and not a President and that is the reason why there were a lot of lefties that were disappointed by Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:27:02pm

re: #136 sagehen

Best comment on that article:

Didn’t he brag about hitting a teacher?

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:29:18pm

The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that the contests in the primaries are proportional. As candidates drop out, they will throw their endorsement, and while that doesn’t necessarily mean they will support that candidate, I don’t think any will support Sanders. I also think a few wont even make it to next year. Some are going to run into financial problems early. And that’s why you should donate some in the primaries.

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gwangung  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:29:52pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

I would just like a Sanders supporter to tell me what about Bernie makes him presidential material. I really really think people too often want an ideologue and not a President and that is the reason why there were a lot of lefties that were disappointed by Obama.

It’s all about the ideology for his supporters.

I said that the objections I had about him was temperment, flexibility of approach, ability to build coalition, crisis management and administrative ability. And he just dismissed it as word salad.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:30:50pm

re: #129 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I don’t expect Bernie to do so well in the Democratic primaries. He didn’t perform so well last time. True he won a few states, but how many of those were just anti-Hillary votes?

This time Bernie is running against a crowded field, many of whom are unapologetically progressive. What will make Bernie stand out is how old he looks among them.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:31:22pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Didn’t he brag about hitting a teacher?

I think when he was still in primary school, and hitting his music teacher/tutor.

He began young.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:31:35pm

That like wise is the reason why you have a lot of right wingers who love Trump because Trump is an ideologue and not a President. I mean do I want my president to share my core values? Absolutely but I want him/her to have skills that go beyond their ideology and voting record and even agenda. I want to know that I can trust that person to make decisions. Obama even though he was just a freshman Senator in 2008 showed me he was worthy of that trust. Hillary three years ago ditto. Kerry and Gore also ditto. I just don’t feel it with Bernie. I see people who just want the most left wing candidate out there that can win and that’s not all that President entails. For example, how is someone like Bernie going to handle our role in NATO and as one of the EU’s biggest allies?

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sagehen  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:31:53pm

re: #82 MsJ

As an addendum, when she releases new lip sticks, they literally sell out in two hours.

Her fame is manufactured. Her wealth isn’t.

I believed it when Forbes called her the youngest female self-made billionaire.

But first? Fuck CBS.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:32:40pm

re: #140 gwangung

It’s all about the ideology for his supporters.

I said that the objections I had about him was temperment, flexibility of approach, ability to build coalition, crisis management and administrative ability. And he just dismissed it as word salad.

Exactamundo. Those are huge problems with him. And you’re right. He does dismiss it. Abraham Lincoln probably wasn’t the most staunch opponent of slavery that ran in 1860 but he was the best fit for ti.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:33:04pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:33:33pm

re: #142 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I think when he was still in primary school, and hitting his music teacher/tutor.

He began young.

Yeah that’s right. He just seems to have a lot of problems with him. I’ve often said that I can’t respect Trump as POTUS because I have zero respect for him as a person.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:34:36pm

re: #141 freetoken

I don’t expect Bernie to do so well in the Democratic primaries. He didn’t perform so well last time. True he won a few states, but how many of those were just anti-Hillary votes?

This time Bernie is running against a crowded field, many of whom are unapologetically progressive. What will make Bernie stand out is how old he looks among them.

That’s a good point and Bernie and his supporters never want to talk about it but a lot of what Bernie benefited from was anti-HRC sentiment and it wasn’t just the left but a lot of the right too in the Dem primaries.

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sagehen  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:35:07pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

the first articles I saw today said she was the youngest, not the first

Not the youngest ever, just the youngest female. The Oculus guy was younger.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:35:16pm

Some time in the next 6 months we will find out if Beto, Biden, and others, will also be running.

The right-wing hate machine will try to make it appear as a weakness, with so many candidates, but I think that will fail simply because there is a lot of interest in whoever is not Trump.

Trump is the hateful ego of the right wing made flesh. But he and they are so flawed that any Democratic candidate who is likeable in general ought to really stand out against them.

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:37:08pm

re: #144 sagehen

I believed it when Forbes called her the youngest female self-made billionaire.

But first? Fuck CBS.

Youngest is what’s in Forbes.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:37:33pm

re: #150 freetoken

Some time in the next 6 months we will find out if Beto, Biden, and others, will also be running.

The right-wing hate machine will try to make it appear as a weakness, with so many candidates, but I think that will fail simply because there is a lot of interest in whoever is not Trump.

Trump is the hateful ego of the right wing made flesh. But he and they are so flawed that any Democratic candidate who is likeable in general ought to really stand out against them.

You know that’s another thing about Sanders. He’s really not particularly likable either. I think people confuse like Bernie with his ideology. Which I think is why while she’s a little similar to him, I do in fact like AOC but AOC has a lot going for her beyond ideology compared with Bernie. She’s considerably more intelligent for starters and much more grounded.

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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:37:37pm

re: #141 freetoken

I don’t expect Bernie to do so well in the Democratic primaries. He didn’t perform so well last time. True he won a few states, but how many of those were just anti-Hillary votes?

This time Bernie is running against a crowded field, many of whom are unapologetically progressive. What will make Bernie stand out is how old he looks among them.

And Hillary really never went after Bernard the way she was well capable of doing.

She seemed to think there was an agreement that Sanders would step in and then step back.

He got full of himself, heard the cheers and got drunk and drove through the summer when he was out in the late spring crashing the plans.

Bernard really mucked up the whole convention through election period by really not lending his all and allowing his backers to act little spoiled brats because he is a bad parent.

Fuck the old coot. He needs to take a seat. Hopefully he gets the message fast and his ego causes him to drop out from a lot of negativity.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:38:52pm

re: #136 sagehen

Best comment on that article:

wet the bed kind of bad?

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gocart mozart  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:39:34pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:39:36pm

re: #146 Decatur Deb

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:40:02pm

re: #140 gwangung

It’s all about the ideology for his supporters.

I said that the objections I had about him was temperment, flexibility of approach, ability to build coalition, crisis management and administrative ability. And he just dismissed it as word salad.

another way of saying ‘i got nothin’

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:41:49pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

That’s a good point and Bernie and his supporters never want to talk about it but a lot of what Bernie benefited from was anti-HRC sentiment and it wasn’t just the left but a lot of the right too in the Dem primaries.

he was the only other option
now there are lots

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:44:02pm

re: #150 freetoken

Some time in the next 6 months we will find out if Beto, Biden, and others, will also be running.

The right-wing hate machine will try to make it appear as a weakness, with so many candidates, but I think that will fail simply because there is a lot of interest in whoever is not Trump.

Trump is the hateful ego of the right wing made flesh. But he and they are so flawed that any Democratic candidate who is likeable in general ought to really stand out against them.

the democrats have a deep bench. there’s a large group of people who want to and think they can be president.

the r’s have only 1. what’s wrong with the r’s? they don’t even have one other person?

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:45:24pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:48:59pm
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sagehen  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:50:47pm

re: #154 Man, DangerMan

wet the bed kind of bad?

Torturing animals, setting fires… isn’t that the “future serial killer trilogy”?

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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:51:35pm

re: #159 Man, DangerMan

the democrats have a deep bench. there’s a large group of people who want to and think they can be president.

the r’s have only 1. what’s wrong with the r’s? they don’t even have one other person?

There have been rumblings.

Bill Weld is ‘exploring’ as of January, Larry Hogan under the ‘guidance’ of William Kristol is kicking around talking to people.

And never count out Ohio Johnny Kasich. He’s got the ego, thinks he was close last time because he was last man standing and probably will jump in if he sees Trump as damaged.

I bet Kasich is watching what is going on in Trumpland like we do. He’s like a buzzard that is circling just overhead waiting for some dead meat he can feast on.

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Weaselone  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:53:58pm

re: #160 MsJ

What does she mean? Jane running things just means they can massively bump up the consulting fees she charges to the campaign. The whole point is allowing the Sanders family to shove more of those 27 dollar donations into their pockets.

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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:54:05pm

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

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BeachDem  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:56:55pm

re: #141 freetoken

I don’t expect Bernie to do so well in the Democratic primaries. He didn’t perform so well last time. True he won a few states, but how many of those were just anti-Hillary votes?

This time Bernie is running against a crowded field, many of whom are unapologetically progressive. What will make Bernie stand out is how old he looks among them.

Our primary here in South Carolina will be interesting. It gets a lot of press as “first in the South” and the candidates spend a lot of time here. (I get to see/meet Kamala Friday afternoon—yay!)

In 2008, Hillary took one county (happened to be mine), Edwards took his home/birth county and Obama took the rest. In 2016, Hillary took every county and won 73.5% of the vote. And yet, there were serious Bernieacs throughout the state throughout the election cycle.

I doubt Bernard will ignore South Carolina as he did in 2016, but I don’t see him doing all that well. There is still a lot of resentment about how he acted then among many of the core Dem supporters. I could be wrong, but that’s my sense of things right now.

2020 candidates and maybe candidates I’ve seen in person/met at some earlier time—Biden, Gabbard (yuck), Castro, McAuliff, Sanders (yuck), Delaney (yuck). We do get a lot of facetime with primary candidates, then they leave the state in a stampede and we never see them again.

Sleuth—if you’re here—thanks for that Danny Barefoot focus group thread—wonder where he did the focus group.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:57:44pm

Even cars are racist.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 5, 2019 • 3:59:28pm

re: #167 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Even cars are racist.

There were several stories a while back about Apple facial recognition software not being able to distinguish between Asian faces. One Japanese woman was able to unlock her friend’s iPhone, for example.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:01:04pm

re: #159 Man, DangerMan

the democrats have a deep bench. there’s a large group of people who want to and think they can be president.

the r’s have only 1. what’s wrong with the r’s? they don’t even have one other person?

The GOP had 17 people last time — and we ended up with Trump. Yes, except for Tulsi and Bernie, our candidates are better than theirs BUT they did have many with serious experience, while Trump was the only one with a cult following. If we have 15 people running and Bernie keeps getting 15% while nobody else gets more than 10%, so Bernie acquires the plurality — and when candidates drop out and endorse someone else, the BernieBros will go ballistic. We have to assume that those supporting Bernie in 2020 are a lost cause.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:01:47pm

re: #166 BeachDem

Our primary here in South Carolina will be interesting. It gets a lot of press as “first in the South” and the candidates spend a lot of time here. (I get to see/meet Kamala Friday afternoon—yay!)

In 2008, Hillary took one county (happened to be mine), Edwards took his home/birth county and Obama took the rest. In 2016, Hillary took every county and won 73.5% of the vote. And yet, there were serious Bernieacs throughout the state throughout the election cycle.

I doubt Bernard will ignore South Carolina as he did in 2016, but I don’t see him doing all that well. There is still a lot of resentment about how he acted then among many of the core Dem supporters. I could be wrong, but that’s my sense of things right now.

2020 candidates and maybe candidates I’ve seen in person/met at some earlier time—Biden, Gabbard (yuck), Castro, McAuliff, Sanders (yuck), Delaney (yuck). We do get a lot of facetime with primary candidates, then they leave the state in a stampede and we never see them again.

Sleuth—if you’re here—thanks for that Danny Barefoot focus group thread—wonder where he did the focus group.

In this part of Baja Alabama if someone is young, white, energetic, and a Democrat there is an excellent chance they’re a Bernie Kid. And their effort is very welcome.

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plansbandc  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:04:07pm

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

That’s perfect. Mushrooms are my favorite.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:05:35pm

8 am here, and today I teach the entire day (other than during the midday break), so I’ll see everyone later, like evening my time and morning in the States. Try not to break anything.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:11:05pm

re: #166 BeachDem

left this downstairs for you, thread starts with this:

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Scout  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:13:49pm

re: #33 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I like Jay Inslee, he’s my Governor, and I’m sure he’d do fine as President (Low bar any more….), but I see him more as a comfortable VP choice to balance a “flashier” Presidential candidate—sort of like Tim Kaine in 2016.

I have no facts to back this up. It’s just my gut feeling. I believe the Kaine pick hurt Mrs. Clinton because it added zero enthusiasm to her campaign. I say “hurt” rather than “didn’t help” because she needed some energy and that pick did not provide any.

I hope whoever gets the nomination this time picks someone who adds fire to the cause.

(On the other hand, maybe I’m falling into the old general’s trap: preparing how to fight the last war.)

Just my two yen.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:14:33pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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re: #169 Hecuba’s daughter

The GOP had 17 people last time — and we ended up with Trump. Yes, except for Tulsi and Bernie, our candidates are better than theirs BUT they did have many with serious experience, while Trump was the only one with a cult following. If we have 15 people running and Bernie keeps getting 15% while nobody else gets more than 10%, so Bernie acquires the plurality — and when candidates drop out and endorse someone else, the BernieBros will go ballistic. We have to assume that those supporting Bernie in 2020 are a lost cause.

I was being sorta snarky
Or so I thought. ;-)

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:14:35pm

re: #174 Scout

IT didn’t help.

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BeachDem  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:15:03pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

In this part of Baja Alabama if someone is young, white, energetic, and a Democrat there is an excellent chance they’re a Bernie Kid. And their effort is very welcome.

Here, at least last time around if they were young, white, energetic and MALE, they were for Bernie. He had some young women, but Hillary had some serious support in that group.

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BeachDem  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:16:21pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

left this downstairs for you, thread starts with this:

[Embedded content]

Thanks—got it. Trying to find out if anyone here knows where in SC it took place etc. Pretty interesting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:26:11pm

re: #178 BeachDem

Thanks—got it. Trying to find out if anyone here knows where in SC it took place etc. Pretty interesting.

I wasn’t able to figure it out. He’s with Anvil Strategies.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:26:12pm

re: #174 Scout

I have no facts to back this up. It’s just my gut feeling. I believe the Kaine pick hurt Mrs. Clinton because it added zero enthusiasm to her campaign. I say “hurt” rather than “didn’t help” because she needed some energy and that pick did not provide any.

I hope whoever gets the nomination this time picks someone who adds fire to the cause.

(On the other hand, maybe I’m falling into the old general’s trap: preparing how to fight the last war.)

Just my two yen.

Who would have inspired that kind of enthusiasm in 2016? Other than Bernie? who may have gained certain voters but probably not?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:27:16pm

re: #177 BeachDem

Here, at least last time around if they were young, white, energetic and MALE, they were for Bernie. He had some young women, but Hillary had some serious support in that group.

On the Doug Jones campaign I worked with a young Indivisible organizer (f) who had been with Bernie in 2016. My midterm boss was a 23 yr old. She ran the sub-district campaign for about 7 counties, still flew Bernie’s 2016 bumper sticker.

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gwangung  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:27:16pm

re: #174 Scout

I have no facts to back this up. It’s just my gut feeling. I believe the Kaine pick hurt Mrs. Clinton because it added zero enthusiasm to her campaign. I say “hurt” rather than “didn’t help” because she needed some energy and that pick did not provide any.

I hope whoever gets the nomination this time picks someone who adds fire to the cause.

(On the other hand, maybe I’m falling into the old general’s trap: preparing how to fight the last war.)

Just my two yen.

I both understand this as an attribute and hold it with a bit of contempt, as we’re picking a person to run the country, not a President Feelgood.

I’m cold and calculating when picking a candidate; unfortunately that’s not his others do it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:35:19pm
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Mattand  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:39:47pm

Three guesses who Bill Maher is going to have on his show real soon: Rand Paul: Sure, Vaccines Are OK, But We Shouldn’t Trade ‘Liberty’ for ‘False Sense of Security’

Swear to fucking Christ, if you told the Founding Fathers that their successors were openly fighting the prevention of diseases that often wiped out their kids, they’d beat Ron Paul and RFK, Jr. to death with George Washington’s teeth.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:40:04pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I think the Trumporrhoids will like that Italian mecha Trump.

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:40:47pm
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Mattand  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:42:46pm

re: #174 Scout

I have no facts to back this up. It’s just my gut feeling. I believe the Kaine pick hurt Mrs. Clinton because it added zero enthusiasm to her campaign. I say “hurt” rather than “didn’t help” because she needed some energy and that pick did not provide any.

I hope whoever gets the nomination this time picks someone who adds fire to the cause.

(On the other hand, maybe I’m falling into the old general’s trap: preparing how to fight the last war.)

Just my two yen.

Even if Kaine was Captain Charisma, there’s no VP pick in the world that would have helped combat a nearly three-fucking-decade smear campaign against HRC by Republicans and Fox News.

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BeachDem  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:43:19pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wasn’t able to figure it out. He’s with Anvil Strategies.

The only place I see them as a vendor was for a primary candidate in Pennsylvania in 2018. I sent the thread to a few of my connected peeps here to see if they know anything about it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:43:41pm

I worked with a lot of former Bernie people too. So I don’t dismiss he’s got legit appeal to people but I likewise think his supporters don’t see his flaws.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:44:58pm

lol Instead of just striking Cohen’s name from the finance leadership announcement page, they took the whole thing down. Probably because the other guys are criminals too. haha

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Mattand  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:45:52pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

I worked with a lot of former Bernie people too. So I don’t dismiss he’s got legit appeal to people but I likewise think his supporters don’t see his flaws.

LOL, that is the understatement of the day.

My Bernie Bro neighbor who has fully descended into full blown conspiracy theory is exactly like that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:47:25pm

re: #191 Mattand

LOL, that is the understatement of the day.

My Bernie Bro neighbor who has fully descended into full blown conspiracy theory is exactly like that.

Yeah I’m being generous. My brother did admit that the lack of transparency about taxes is a problem today. I really think even though he’s fairly far left, Bernie’s appeal to him was that he wasn’t HRC.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:48:23pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Gonna disagree. This is not just about inconveniencing a couple of companies.

Trump reportedly ordered the DOJ to take retaliatory action against a company that owned a news network that reported things that displeased him.

That is a direct, in-your-face assault on freedom of the press and freedom of speech.

It is terrifying. It is banana republic dictator shit.

So yeah, it is a flagrant abuse of power, an abrogation of his oath of office…and a pretty damned big scandal. This one thing alone would sink any other POTUS. It should constitute immediate impeachment hearings in a sane environment.

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BeachDem  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:49:55pm

re: #181 Decatur Deb

On the Doug Jones campaign I worked with a young Indivisible organizer (f) who had been with Bernie in 2016. My midterm boss was a 23 yr old. She ran the sub-district campaign for about 7 counties, still had Bernie’s 2016 bumper sticker.

Indivisible, at least here, was not as obnoxious as Action Together (and Our Revolution), where most of the Bernie peeps showed up. They were mostly young Dems who didn’t really want the Dem label, but wanted to dictate what the Dems should do. Sigh.

In the midterm House race here, AT and OR backed the primary loser (who had run in 2016 and lost) and were INCENSED that he did not win the primary. INCENSED, I tell you—they were still yapping about it two months after the election.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:55:27pm

re: #184 Mattand

Three guesses who Bill Maher is going to have on his show real soon: Rand Paul: Sure, Vaccines Are OK, But We Shouldn’t Trade ‘Liberty’ for ‘False Sense of Security’

Swear to fucking Christ, if you told the Founding Fathers that their successors were openly fighting the prevention of diseases that often wiped out their kids, they’d beat Ron Paul and RFK, Jr. to death with George Washington’s teeth.

They were happy to inoculate (N.B. not “vaccinate”) against smallpox because a 5% chance of dying from the inoculation was enormously preferable to the 1 in 3 chance of dying of smallpox….

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:56:34pm

re: #160 MsJ

Left to his own devices, I don’t think he’s going anywhere.

I will say this, though: He has supporters on DK that currently none of the others are matching. Fans of some of the other candidates need to show up on liberal blogs more.

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Mattand  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:57:05pm

re: #194 BeachDem

Indivisible, at least here, was not as obnoxious as Action Together (and Our Revolution), where most of the Bernie peeps showed up. They were mostly young Dems who didn’t really want the Dem label, but wanted to dictate what the Dems should do. Sigh.

In the midterm House race here, AT and OR backed the primary loser (who had run in 2016 and lost) and were INCENSED that he did not win the primary. INCENSED, I tell you—they were still yapping about it two months after the election.

That’s what I’m dealing with here. It’s un-fucking-real. This guy is in his mid-60s and is whining like a child that the only way Bernie could lose is because his Jesus candidate was cheated.

These people are just like the MAGAts or the QAnons screaming about the Deep State, yet are absolutely blind to the irony they’re creating.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:58:23pm

re: #194 BeachDem

Indivisible, at least here, was not as obnoxious as Action Together (and Our Revolution), where most of the Bernie peeps showed up. They were mostly young Dems who didn’t really want the Dem label, but wanted to dictate what the Dems should do. Sigh.

In the midterm House race here, AT and OR backed the primary loser (who had run in 2016 and lost) and were INCENSED that he did not win the primary. INCENSED, I tell you—they were still yapping about it two months after the election.

Indivisible was cool here, though I declined the offer to start a local. Our county Dems are mostly black and honest, but old and not very energetic, so I work with them. The state Dems are marginally worthless. Many of us are self-organizing or moving from one new progressive group to another. That redundancy and inefficiency keeps me from Indivisible.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 4:58:52pm

re: #195 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They were happy to inoculate (N.B. not “vaccinate”) against smallpox because a 5% chance of dying from the inoculation was enormously preferable to the 1 in 3 chance of dying of smallpox….

When was there a 5% chance of dying from a small pox inoculation? It appeared to be 1 to 2 deaths per million.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 5, 2019 • 5:00:25pm

re: #195 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They were happy to inoculate (N.B. not “vaccinate”) against smallpox because a 5% chance of dying from the inoculation was enormously preferable to the 1 in 3 chance of dying of smallpox….

Once the Lancet study was withdrawn, there was nothing else to hang any science on. That was when I wrote off any credibility to the anti vaxx/thimerosal side.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 5, 2019 • 5:02:04pm

re: #199 Hecuba’s daughter

When was there a 5% chance of dying from a small pox inoculation? It appeared to be 1 to 2 deaths per million.

Again, this wasn’t “vaccination” with vaccinia (cowpox). It was “inoculation” with pus from smallpox patients. The virulence of the virus was attenuated by passing through one host, but it was still a pretty dangerous procedure.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 5:09:11pm

Tweety had Omarosa as a guest. She may be as dishonest in her way as Trump, but she always appears composed, eloquent, and knowledgeable about all things Trump. In this interview, he asked her whose testimony Trump would most fear and her response was Rhona Graff, Trump’s long-time executive assistant, though both Chris Matthews and she agreed that Rhona would probably plead the Fifth. Sounds like she may know where all the bodies are buried.

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BeachDem  Mar 5, 2019 • 5:15:18pm

re: #197 Mattand

That’s what I’m dealing with here. It’s un-fucking-real. This guy is in his mid-60s and is whining like a child that the only way Bernie could lose is because his Jesus candidate was cheated.

These people are just like the MAGAts or the QAnons screaming about the Deep State, yet are absolutely blind to the irony they’re creating.

One of the biggest mouths in our Action Together gang has, as her twitter header “xxxx is not voting for a centrist in 2020,” says she’s not a liberal, and earlier today posted ” Tear the whole system down and start over. IT’S NOT WORKING.”

Stirring up as much trouble as they can, time and time again.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2019 • 5:19:54pm

re: #203 BeachDem

One of the biggest mouths in our Action Together gang has, as her twitter header “xxxx is not voting for a centrist in 2020,” says she’s not a liberal, and earlier today posted ” Tear the whole system down and start over. IT’S NOT WORKING.”

Stirring up as much trouble as they can, time and time again.

So she’s a socialist and both centrists and liberals are too milquetoast for her; she would prefer Trump because that will bring the Revolution —- NOT!

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 5, 2019 • 7:02:43pm

re: #184 Mattand

Three guesses who Bill Maher is going to have on his show real soon: Rand Paul: Sure, Vaccines Are OK, But We Shouldn’t Trade ‘Liberty’ for ‘False Sense of Security’

Swear to fucking Christ, if you told the Founding Fathers that their successors were openly fighting the prevention of diseases that often wiped out their kids, they’d beat bite Ron Paul and RFK, Jr. to death with George Washington’s teeth.

FTFY


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