Newly Revealed Memo Shows Trump Officials Trying to Rig Elections for Whites

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You may have heard that the corrupt Trump crime family is pushing to get a citizenship question added to the 2020 census. They say it’s because they want to “better enforce the Voting Rights Act.”

This, of course, is yet another scurrilous lie: Census Citizenship Question: Revealed: Memo Shows Trump Officials Trying to Rig Elections for Whites.

A secret trove of documents was revealed Thursday showing that the Trump administration added a citizenship question to the 2020 census as part of a right-wing plan to change how voting districts are drawn in the United States—a plan hatched to benefit “non-Hispanic whites.”

This is worse than anyone thought. This is white supremacy.

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The man at the center of the revelation is one of those shadowy political operatives who has shaped American politics without most people knowing his name: Thomas Hofeller, who died last summer at age 75.

Hofeller was one of the key players in the wildly successful 2010 REDMAP initiative. In response to President Obama’s victory and the demographic changes in America, REDMAP used big data and dark money to flip otherwise obscure state-level races. That, in turn, flipped several state legislatures, which promptly redrew dozens of electoral maps to favor whites over non-whites, Republicans over Democrats.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 11:16:17am

Apartheid American style.

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sagehen  May 30, 2019 • 11:16:32am

One of those “It was always pretty obvious it happened, but I never dreamed they’d find proof” kinds of things.

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Scottish Dragon  May 30, 2019 • 11:17:33am

Rapey McBeerface and Goresuch will have no problem with this at all.

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Scottish Dragon  May 30, 2019 • 11:18:54am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Apartheid American style.

Truer than the Red, White and Blue.
That’s me and you.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 11:18:55am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Apartheid American style.

Clear violation of the 14th, 15th and 24th Amendments.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 11:19:40am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 11:20:09am
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lawhawk  May 30, 2019 • 11:22:52am

The further consequences of the Roberts Court gutting the VRA.

The further consequences of GOP dominated states getting the green light from Trumpworld and the right wing extremists to deprive millions of their rights, and to use all means at their disposal to do so.

It’s the further consequences of too many people thinking that elections don’t matter, or that both parties are the same.

One party is consistently trying to deprive others of their rights, and one party is trying to protect your rights.

One party puts party above nation. That’s the GOP.

This is about sabotaging functioning government and ensuring a permanent majority control despite having a minority of actual voters.

It goes to redistricting and federal funding formulas.

It goes to allocation of funds.

It goes to the heart of how government works.

Trump and the GOP are intent on destroying functioning government, and making sure that the money flows only to the GOP controlled territories.

They are amoral atavistic extremists who pine for the days of segregation, Jim Crow, and women were seen but not heard.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 11:25:13am

re: #3 Scottish Dragon

Rapey McBeerface and Goresuch will have no problem with this at all.

Given how Roberts gutted the VRA, he won’t either. Thomas is a twin brother to the Samuel Jackson character in Django Unchained and Alito is to the right of Attila the Hun. So nothing good can be expected from SCOTUS until we have a Democratic President and Democratic Senate and some of these right-wing racists retire from the Court.

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lawhawk  May 30, 2019 • 11:26:42am

Weather watch for the NYC metro area and the NE corridor:

Flood watches/warnings already up for NJ and PA, MD, and DC area. Hazardous weather statements are a virtual repeat of yesterday. Severe storms are already rolling towards the Baltimore/DC area and storms are starting to fire up in NJ too.

Wooo…

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 11:27:40am

re: #10 lawhawk

Weather watch for the NYC metro area and the NE corridor:

Flood watches/warnings already up for NJ and PA, MD, and DC area. Hazardous weather statements are a virtual repeat of yesterday. Severe storms are already rolling towards the Baltimore/DC area and storms are starting to fire up in NJ too.

Wooo…

We didn’t vote for the toddler and we’re diverse so I guess we can expect paper towels.

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Scottish Dragon  May 30, 2019 • 11:33:10am

re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter

Given how Roberts gutted the VRA, he won’t either. Thomas is a twin brother to the Samuel Jackson character in Django Unchained and Alito is to the right of Attila the Hun. So nothing good can be expected from SCOTUS until we have a Democratic President and Democratic Senate and some of these right-wing racists retire from the Court.

If we lose Roe V wade or another justice dies, court packing may become inevitable. Democrats are not just going to be told to be patient for 40 years with back alley abortions and women sent to prison in Alabama, and especially not after McConnell stealing the seat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 11:36:37am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 30, 2019 • 11:40:04am

re: #12 Scottish Dragon

If we lose Roe V wade or another justice dies, court packing may become inevitable. Democrats are not just going to be told to be patient for 40 years with back alley abortions and women sent to prison in Alabama, and especially not after McConnell stealing the seat.

We’ll just slide farther and farther back as the rest of the world advances. In 50 years this will be a weird third world patchwork of feudal jurisdictions, with enclaves of civilization in places like California and Austin. European tourists will visit to gawk at the savages in their native habitat in places like Alabama or take in the barbarous decadence of regional evangelical capitals like Lubbock. They will have to be careful though, something visitors to North Korea now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 11:41:43am
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Interesting Times  May 30, 2019 • 11:42:00am

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Speaking of the forced birthers, I remember comments you made here a while back about how their gory protest posters are actually photos of autopsies and accidents - is there an online source for that? I’d love to have it on hand as rebuttal material/evidence.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 11:42:55am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well he’s not wrong but this is the accumulation of what you’ve always wanted Steve.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 11:45:38am
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2019 • 11:47:01am

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My reading is a bit different. In the end, he doesn’t dispute the WSJ article, which states that the name was draped on Friday, but the drape was removed on Saturday before Trump got there, and suggests it was some Navy higher-ups who put the kibosh on it.

I mean, he literally says that they don’t disagree. I think he was trying to point out that the Navy ended up NOT complying with the WH request.

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Mescalero09  May 30, 2019 • 11:48:36am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 30, 2019 • 11:50:55am

re: #16 Interesting Times

Speaking of the forced birthers, I remember comments you made here a while back about how their gory protest posters are actually photos of autopsies and accidents - is there an online source for that? I’d love to have it on hand as rebuttal material/evidence.

Sorry, the story seem to have dried up. I had a source but it is no longer there. They were comments from a medical examiner, with a specific reference. I looked for another source online and couldn’t find one. Having seen some of the terrible pictures the crazies show, and knowing what victims of accident and war look like, I am convinced this is true but I know my opinion is useless. I will keep looking. I am wondering if medical examiners might be more reluctant to speak out than they were a few years ago.

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Scottish Dragon  May 30, 2019 • 11:51:57am

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

We’ll just slide farther and farther back as the rest of the world advances. In 50 years this will be a weird third world patchwork of feudal jurisdictions, with enclaves of civilization in places like California and Austin. European tourists will visit to gawk at the savages in their native habitat in places like Alabama or take in the barbarous decadence of regional evangelical capitals like Lubbock. They will have to be careful though, something visitors to North Korea now.

My spouse and I have both been saying we are going to collapse as a country, in some fashion or another.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 11:52:48am
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Scottish Dragon  May 30, 2019 • 11:54:48am
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2019 • 11:56:20am

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, you know, Trump only cares about people who like him, or at least SAY they like him. So, just as he only sees himself as President for his base, he only sees the expressed opinions of people like Putin, Netanyahu, etc.

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Scottish Dragon  May 30, 2019 • 11:57:03am

One step away from Soviet Union practice of renaming ships and cities with each new political change.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2019 • 11:58:43am

re: #26 Scottish Dragon

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One step away from Soviet Union practice of renaming ships and cities with each new political change.

Next, they Photoshop folks like Kelly and McMaster out of official pictures.

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Targetpractice  May 30, 2019 • 12:01:12pm

re: #24 Scottish Dragon

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Hey now, gotta be careful, Maxine is a dangerous character. She killed Mike Tracey for looking at her wrong.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2019 • 12:01:55pm

re: #26 Scottish Dragon

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One step away from Soviet Union practice of renaming ships and cities with each new political change.

Pogo also did this, of course. Often within the same strip.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 12:01:56pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

Hey now, gotta be careful, Maxine is a dangerous character. She killed Mike Tracey for looking at her wrong.

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Maxine kilt him, just to watch him cry…

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Skip Intro  May 30, 2019 • 12:03:37pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

Clear violation of the 14th, 15th and 24th Amendments.

Yeah but so what if no one is going to enfoce it?

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Scottish Dragon  May 30, 2019 • 12:04:47pm
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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 12:05:50pm

re: #32 Scottish Dragon

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They want to make asylum impossible.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 30, 2019 • 12:05:55pm

re: #16 Interesting Times

Speaking of the forced birthers, I remember comments you made here a while back about how their gory protest posters are actually photos of autopsies and accidents - is there an online source for that? I’d love to have it on hand as rebuttal material/evidence.

Did find something. This one calls out fakery and mis-labeling in the anti-abortion photos, though not specifically the use of autopsy or accident victim photos. Needless to say, the pictures are horrible.
The Truth About Anti-abortion Pictures of Alleged Aborted Fetuses

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Scottish Dragon  May 30, 2019 • 12:07:36pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

They want to make asylum impossible.

Yep.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2019 • 12:07:42pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

They want to make asylum impossible.

Hey, they have to do SOMETHING to prevent White Genocide.
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Targetpractice  May 30, 2019 • 12:08:13pm

re: #32 Scottish Dragon

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Ah, the Trump admin, the one that says Iran is wrong for violating international laws…while insisting it doesn’t have to abide by international laws regarding refugees.

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Charles Johnson  May 30, 2019 • 12:08:41pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 12:10:07pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

They probably went with “appears” because of his half assed walkback a little later.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 12:14:03pm

whut?

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William Lewis  May 30, 2019 • 12:14:53pm

re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter

Given how Roberts gutted the VRA, he won’t either. Thomas is a twin brother to the Samuel Jackson character in Django Unchained and Alito is to the right of Attila the Hun. So nothing good can be expected from SCOTUS until we have a Democratic President and Democratic Senate and some of these right-wing racists retire from the Court.

and we add five new additional justices to the court. Can even let Roberts stay Chief Justice because it’ll gall him so badly to be in charge of dismembering their treason.

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Scottish Dragon  May 30, 2019 • 12:16:04pm
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Teukka  May 30, 2019 • 12:17:13pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Did find something. This one calls out fakery and mis-labeling in the anti-abortion photos, though not specifically the use of autopsy or accident victim photos. Needless to say, the pictures are horrible.
The Truth About Anti-abortion Pictures of Alleged Aborted Fetuses

It’s not the first time that category of people have misrepresented images. They are fully capable of actually manufacturing evidence. How do I know? They’re so convinced that “the others” are guilty of many things, so they lack the mental stop to manufacture evidence to ensure conviction.

Like, I wouldn’t put it past people in this mindset scavenging the corpse of a pregnant woman for a fetus to use in their scare propaganda to get images that pass experts as legit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 12:18:05pm
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lawhawk  May 30, 2019 • 12:20:30pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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Teddy's Person  May 30, 2019 • 12:21:55pm

JFC

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says U.S. President Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner has gifted him an official State Department map, updated to incorporate the long-disputed Golan Heights as part of Israel.
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In a bid to play down the political chaos and focus public attention on his foreign policy prowess - in particular his close friendship with Trump - Netanyahu whipped out Kushner’s map, on which President Trump had scribbled, “Nice.”

Here’s a pic:

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Teukka  May 30, 2019 • 12:23:38pm

re: #46 Teddy’s Person

JFC

Here’s a pic:

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LOLWTFBBQ?!?

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Teddy's Person  May 30, 2019 • 12:26:38pm

re: #47 Teukka

LOLWTFBBQ?!?

I want so badly to laugh at the ridiculousness that is Trump. But quickly, I remember he’s president and want to scream and wail.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 12:27:28pm

re: #48 Teddy’s Person

I want so badly to laugh at the ridiculousness that is Trump. But quickly, I remember he’s president and want to scream and wail.

Same

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 30, 2019 • 12:28:08pm

re: #43 Teukka

It’s not the first time that category of people have misrepresented images. They are fully capable of actually manufacturing evidence. How do I know? They’re so convinced that “the others” are guilty of many things, so they lack the mental stop to manufacture evidence to ensure conviction.

Like, I wouldn’t put it past people in this mindset scavenging the corpse of a pregnant woman for a fetus to use in their scare propaganda to get images that pass experts as legit.

They have been caught using not just photos of miscarried fetuses but the actual fetuses themselves. One ghoul, the Reverand Robert Schenk, was arrested for bringing one to a demonstration and claiming that it had been aborted. Same link as above.

A July 1992 LIFE magazine article, The Great Divide, reported that Reverend Robert Schenk, member of anti-choice coalition Operation rescue, attended a demonstration outside an abortion clinic in Buffalo, NY, with “Baby Tia”, a 7-inch, gray-tinted and formaldehyde-soaked dead fetus. In the escalating madness of the crowd, the fetus was dropped onto the sneaker-trodden street. Authorities arrested Schenk and confiscated the fetus, which was taken to a coroner, only to be identified as an approximately 20-week-old stillborn.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 12:31:39pm

For all those watching the Hot Zone limited series: this program is not like Chernobyl, an attempt to chronicle an actual disaster, but as the message at the beginning says “Inspired by true events”. So a lot of action that did NOT happen.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 12:32:55pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

whut?

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Am I crazy or does that look like a younger Trump wearing a blond wig?

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 12:33:44pm

re: #52 Eclectic Cyborg

Am I crazy or does that look like a younger Trump wearing a blond wig?

Nope.

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lawhawk  May 30, 2019 • 12:35:07pm
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Scottish Dragon  May 30, 2019 • 12:35:30pm

re: #51 Hecuba’s daughter

For all those watching the Hot Zone limited series: this program is not like Chernobyl, an attempt to chronicle an actual disaster, but as the message at the beginning says “Inspired by true events”. So a lot of action that did NOT happen.

Chernobyl is utterly nightmarish. I think I actually screamed out loud when one of the workers actually looked over the roof edge directly into an unshielded fission core.

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HappyWarrior  May 30, 2019 • 12:36:19pm

re: #54 lawhawk

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This is the future Republicans want.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 12:36:54pm

re: #55 Scottish Dragon

Chernobyl is utterly nightmarish. I think I actually screamed out loud when one of the workers actually looked over the roof edge directly into an unshielded fission core.

When he was forced to do so by his superiors, who did not believe that what he reported was possible.

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lawhawk  May 30, 2019 • 12:37:04pm

re: #51 Hecuba’s daughter

For all those watching the Hot Zone limited series: this program is not like Chernobyl, an attempt to chronicle an actual disaster, but as the message at the beginning says “Inspired by true events”. So a lot of action that did NOT happen.

Yeah, I was talking to the Mrs. about how this is so not like Chernobyl, and that’s the point she made - it’s fictionalized while Chernobyl watches like a historical reconstruction down to the last detail.

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Egregious Philbin  May 30, 2019 • 12:45:35pm

The racists aren’t trying to hide anymore.

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Skip Intro  May 30, 2019 • 12:45:45pm

re: #41 William Lewis

and we add five new additional justices to the court. Can even let Roberts stay Chief Justice because it’ll gall him so badly to be in charge of dismembering their treason.

How exactly are we going to do that?

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Patricia Kayden  May 30, 2019 • 12:52:51pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s about bloody time they started explicitly calling out his lies.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 30, 2019 • 12:54:57pm

I started watching Chernobyl last night. I’m on episode 3 now, can’t seem to leave it. Just amazing.

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wrenchwench  May 30, 2019 • 12:55:34pm
This is worse than anyone thought. This is white supremacy.

Overstatement. Some of us knew it was white supremacy beforehand.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 30, 2019 • 1:06:20pm

I can’t find much humor in the disgusting antics of anti-abortion protesters but some people are made of sterner stuff. Found this from 2014:
‘Weird hobby!’ Couple gain hordes of fans after picketing pro-life abortion clinic protests with witty inappropriate signs



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steve_davis  May 30, 2019 • 1:06:43pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

whut?

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“demanded whatever was in the register…” then pistol whipped the manager. That’s a minimum of 7 years for these morons.

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jaunte  May 30, 2019 • 1:10:32pm
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William Lewis  May 30, 2019 • 1:15:30pm

re: #60 Skip Intro

How exactly are we going to do that?

Pass a law? If we have house, senate & white house, that’s all it takes. There is nothing in the constitution mandating the court’s makeup.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 1:19:41pm

re: #66 jaunte

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Is Alex Jones going again?

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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 1:20:53pm

re: #67 William Lewis

Pass a law? If we have house, senate & white house, that’s all it takes. There is nothing in the constitution mandating the court’s makeup.

And then Republicans take over and they expand again. I don’t know the right solution but FDR lost on his efforts to pack the SC. Having 15 justices might become somewhat unwieldy.

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jaunte  May 30, 2019 • 1:22:42pm

re: #68 Joe Bacon 🌹

Is Alex Jones going again?

I think he would be bored.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 1:23:43pm

A question re the Hot Zone series: The 1994 book claimed that Ebola Reston was air borne but there was nothing in the series that referenced that possibility. Was that assertion incorrect?

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goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2019 • 1:26:47pm
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TedStriker  May 30, 2019 • 1:27:25pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I started watching Chernobyl last night. I’m on episode 3 now, can’t seem to leave it. Just amazing.

“What is the cost of lies? It’s not that we’ll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all.”

Just as true now as then (even if the quote was never said verbatim by Legasov himself).

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DangerMan  May 30, 2019 • 1:29:34pm

re: #8 lawhawk

The further consequences of the Roberts Court gutting the VRA.

The further consequences of GOP dominated states getting the green light from Trumpworld and the right wing extremists to deprive millions of their rights, and to use all means at their disposal to do so.

It’s the further consequences of too many people thinking that elections don’t matter, or that both parties are the same.

One party is consistently trying to deprive others of their rights, and one party is trying to protect your rights.

One party puts party above nation. That’s the GOP.

This is about sabotaging functioning government and ensuring a permanent majority control despite having a minority of actual voters.

It goes to redistricting and federal funding formulas.

It goes to allocation of funds.

It goes to the heart of how government works.

Trump and the GOP are intent on destroying functioning government, and making sure that the money flows only to the GOP controlled territories.

They are amoral atavistic extremists who pine for the days of segregation, Jim Crow, and women were seen but not heard.

Vote blue no matter who #2020

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jaunte  May 30, 2019 • 1:31:39pm

Always be scamming.

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jaunte  May 30, 2019 • 1:32:16pm

...

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DangerMan  May 30, 2019 • 1:32:42pm

re: #20 Mescalero

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I’ve seen “recipes” for how to make a PB&j

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jaunte  May 30, 2019 • 1:33:21pm

Comprehensively, multidimensionally, universally

CORRUPT.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 1:33:36pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

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gives an icky new meaning to chemtrails…

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lawhawk  May 30, 2019 • 1:35:52pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s actually part of a known air combat maneuver…

Unlike say using GPS coordinates to draw out dick pix on plots:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 1:36:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 1:37:02pm

re: #80 lawhawk

It’s actually part of a known air combat maneuver…

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Unlike say using GPS coordinates to draw out dick pix on plots:

So, what you’re saying is that the dogfight was actually a dickfight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 1:38:11pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 1:40:15pm
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Barefoot Grin  May 30, 2019 • 1:40:19pm

50/50 on whether new band name should be Sky Penis or Accidental Sky Penis.

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lawhawk  May 30, 2019 • 1:40:22pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jaunte  May 30, 2019 • 1:42:51pm

re: #85 Barefoot Grin

50/50 on whether new band name should be Sky Penis or Accidental Sky Penis.

Air Combat Sky Penis.

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Barefoot Grin  May 30, 2019 • 1:43:59pm

re: #87 jaunte

Air Combat Sky Penis.

Winner!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 1:44:32pm

re: #87 jaunte

Air Combat Sky Penis.

Next up: Space Penis!

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lawhawk  May 30, 2019 • 1:45:22pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Next up: Space Penis!

Space Penis 1999: Above and Beyond.

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Skip Intro  May 30, 2019 • 1:46:40pm

re: #67 William Lewis

Pass a law? If we have house, senate & white house, that’s all it takes. There is nothing in the constitution mandating the court’s makeup.

“IF”.

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unproven innocence  May 30, 2019 • 1:50:25pm

re: #55 Scottish Dragon

Chernobyl is utterly nightmarish. I think I actually screamed out loud when one of the workers actually looked over the roof edge directly into an unshielded fission core.

A small mirror may have been useful, but then the mirror itself would quickly become seriously radiated. Might have saved some lives.

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lawhawk  May 30, 2019 • 1:51:29pm
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jaunte  May 30, 2019 • 1:55:47pm

A wall-like object built somewhere not on the border pretending to be a border wall. Another Ark Encounter style scheme to separate eager rubes from their ready cash.

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jaunte  May 30, 2019 • 1:57:33pm

“The city has not provided any permits, it has not approved of the construction that has gone up already,” city spokesperson Peter Ibardo told The Texas Tribune on Tuesday. “They built the structure without authority or any building permits from the city.”
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Former Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach and former Trump adviser Steve Bannon are listed on the group’s website as part of the leadership team. Air Force veteran Brian Kolfage started the organization.
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Kobach said construction for the project cost between $6 and $8 million and began late Friday. The group had raised more than $20 million as of Monday.

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jaunte  May 30, 2019 • 1:59:11pm
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Dave In Austin  May 30, 2019 • 2:00:14pm

re: #94 jaunte

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A wall-like object built somewhere not on the border pretending to be a border wall. Another Ark Encounter style scheme to separate eager rubes from their ready cash.

With a Go FundMe so the rubes can all buy MAGA bricks for $49.95.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 30, 2019 • 2:02:46pm

You’ll love the ending.

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 2:05:33pm

re: #96 jaunte

Gee, it’s almost like there’s a pattern here.

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Targetpractice  May 30, 2019 • 2:07:29pm

re: #96 jaunte

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“I am standing in a House chamber that is virtually empty,” Rose said on the floor Thursday. “Nearly all of my 431 colleagues are absent as the speaker of the house seeks to pass a $19 billion spending bill. Our nation is $22 trillion in debt. Trying to pass nearly $20 billion in new spending while the majority of congress is not even in Washington reflects another act of irresponsible big government.”

Which is why he and his colleagues are raising so much hell about Trump’s bribe…er, bailout of farmers that runs to the tune of…*checks notes*…$16 billion.

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ipsos  May 30, 2019 • 2:07:44pm

re: #96 jaunte

Wow. Today’s Designated Asshole (R) is one I’ve never heard of.

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mmmirele  May 30, 2019 • 2:07:48pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Did find something. This one calls out fakery and mis-labeling in the anti-abortion photos, though not specifically the use of autopsy or accident victim photos. Needless to say, the pictures are horrible.
The Truth About Anti-abortion Pictures of Alleged Aborted Fetuses

A lot of these pictures have been around since the 1970s. I remember seeing them then. I’d also note that the treatment of blood and tissue has changed in the last 40 years due to the need to protect against potential blood borne pathogens. Basically, blood and tissue are packaged up. That’s why the forced birthers have to rely on these pics from the 1970s.

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 2:09:33pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

Which is why he and his colleagues are raising so much hell about Trump’s bribe…er, bailout of farmers US and foreign agribusiness that runs to the tune of…*checks notes*…$16 billion.

GOP’d that fer ya’.

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jaunte  May 30, 2019 • 2:09:53pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

“I am standing in a House chamber that is virtually empty,” Rose said on the floor Thursday. “Nearly all of my 431 colleagues are absent as the speaker of the house seeks to pass a $19 billion spending bill. Our nation is $22 trillion in debt. Trying to pass nearly $20 billion in new spending while the majority of congress is not even in Washington reflects another act of irresponsible big government.”

I doubt he was worried when Trump’s tax cuts blew up the deficit.

Trump score:
How often Rose votes in line with Trump’s position:
100%
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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Targetpractice  May 30, 2019 • 2:12:21pm

Now if the bill included the “border funding” that Donny was demanding, I’m sure the House Repubs would have little problem passing it under unanimous consent. After all, they could excuse the fact that they were giving more money to Puerto Rico by saying “I voted to defend our border!”

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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 2:16:57pm

Question about impeachment trial: Would House Democrats be able to bring their case to the Senate or can the Senate GOP silence them and only permit House Republicans to talk? Or restrict any arguments in favor of conviction? How does the presentation work?

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KGxvi  May 30, 2019 • 2:23:17pm

re: #80 lawhawk

New season of The Grand Tour?

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Teukka  May 30, 2019 • 2:24:21pm

re: #55 Scottish Dragon

Chernobyl is utterly nightmarish. I think I actually screamed out loud when one of the workers actually looked over the roof edge directly into an unshielded fission core.

re: #57 Hecuba’s daughter

When he was forced to do so by his superiors, who did not believe that what he reported was possible.

This…

Chernobyl (2019) S01 | Episode 01 | 1:23:45 | Scene Go to the vent block roof

There’s also the footage the KGB had taken shortly after the accident. The photographers more than likely died of ARS.

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 2:26:42pm

re: #104 jaunte

I doubt he was worried when Trump’s tax cuts blew up the deficit.

Trump score:
How often Rose votes in line with Trump’s position:
100%
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Gallatin TN, chief city in his district, has had 95 tornadoes of F2 or greater. When the next one hits I will support relief for the inhabitants because I’m not a Republican.

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Teukka  May 30, 2019 • 2:26:46pm

re: #73 TedStriker

“What is the cost of lies? It’s not that we’ll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all.”

Just as true now as then (even if the quote was never said verbatim by Legasov himself).

“It’s the cost of lies.
When people choose to lie,
and when everyone engages in a very passive conspiracy to promote the lie,
we can get away with it for a very long time.
But the truth just doesn’t care.
And it will get you.”

Another good one by Craig Mazin :)

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KGxvi  May 30, 2019 • 2:27:27pm

re: #106 Hecuba’s daughter

Question about impeachment trial: Would House Democrats be able to bring their case to the Senate or can the Senate GOP silence them and only permit House Republicans to talk? Or restrict any arguments in favor of conviction? How does the presentation work?

I believe the House chooses it’s managers (the technical name for the team of prosecutors), that’s how it happened in the Clinton impeachment, at least.

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mmmirele  May 30, 2019 • 2:27:45pm

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

They have been caught using not just photos of miscarried fetuses but the actual fetuses themselves. One ghoul, the Reverand Robert Schenk, was arrested for bringing one to a demonstration and claiming that it had been aborted. Same link as above.

Ironically, there is an opinion piece by Rob Schenck in today’s NYTimes.

I Was an Anti-Abortion Crusader. Now I Support Roe v. Wade.
Overturning the Supreme Court’s 1973 decision would not be “pro-life.” It would be destructive of life

nytimes.com

Schenck still believes abortion is a tragedy, but he’s smart enough to realize that banning abortion is not going to end abortion. He also calls out the hypocrites in the Evangelical movement who don’t want to get to the underlying economic reasons why some women get abortions.

I’d just add, based on my encounters with creepy pro-lifers, that they don’t want to support poor families at all, because it might cost THEM money. I think Schenck realizes this as well.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 2:34:39pm

re: #104 jaunte

I doubt he was worried when Trump’s tax cuts blew up the deficit.

Trump score:
How often Rose votes in line with Trump’s position:
100%
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Although I don’t completely object to calling them the Trump tax cuts BUT they were the GOP tax cuts. Ryan and McConnell designed them; I doubt if Trump had much if any input into the legislation. It’s important to tarnish the entire party with this huge tax cut for the rich. They have to be branded as the irresponsible party that lavishes wealth on the wealthy without addressing the actual needs of our nation.

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DangerMan  May 30, 2019 • 2:34:46pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s me in the corner….

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KGxvi  May 30, 2019 • 2:36:30pm

For those interested in the rules of impeachment, there’s a nice primer here. And the official Senate rules are here.

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Teukka  May 30, 2019 • 2:37:18pm

re: #110 Teukka

“It’s the cost of lies.
When people choose to lie,
and when everyone engages in a very passive conspiracy to promote the lie,
we can get away with it for a very long time.
But the truth just doesn’t care.
And it will get you.”

Another good one by Craig Mazin :)

In a sense, we are facing a similar situation with regard to the climate crisis…

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 2:40:30pm

re: #115 KGxvi

For those interested in the rules of impeachment, there’s a nice primer here. And the official Senate rules are here.

Might want to page that. Fair chance we’ll be referring to it again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 2:41:08pm

oh

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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 2:45:47pm

re: #115 KGxvi

For those interested in the rules of impeachment, there’s a nice primer here. And the official Senate rules are here.

Thank you!

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 2:46:37pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

Yesterday, Border Patrol agents apprehended the largest group of illegal aliens ever: 1,036 people who illegally crossed the border in El Paso around 4am. Democrats need to stand by our incredible Border Patrol and finally fix the loopholes at our Border!

And they were taken into custody. And there was no wall required.

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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 2:48:26pm

re: #41 William Lewis

and we add five new additional justices to the court. Can even let Roberts stay Chief Justice because it’ll gall him so badly to be in charge of dismembering their treason.

Adding five more is not “packing” either. It is a reset to correct reactionary behavior

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 30, 2019 • 2:49:59pm

re: #114 DangerMan

That’s me in the corner….

I’ll be watching from home — that place looks pretty crowded.

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Cheechako  May 30, 2019 • 2:51:13pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Where’s the porta-pottie?

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 2:51:33pm

re: #122 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

I’ll be watching from home — that place looks pretty crowded.

I’ll be busy organizing a voter registration event to vote President Pence out.

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makeitstop  May 30, 2019 • 2:51:40pm

re: #87 jaunte

Air Combat Sky Penis.

Space Force Sky Penis!

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 30, 2019 • 2:54:32pm

So can we impeach now?

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Cheechako  May 30, 2019 • 2:55:48pm

re: #123 Cheechako

Where’s the porta-pottie?

Us older folk always stake out a position with one near-by.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 2:55:53pm

re: #124 Decatur Deb

I’ll be organizing a voter registration event to vote President Pence out.

Manafort wanted Pence. The question is: Why? I don’t think that was part of Mueller’s mandate, which seems very limited. His failure to request Trump’s tax records really concerns me about the scope of his investigation. OTOH, Mueller seems to be very literal and would not stray at all from the most narrow interpretation of the Rosenstein request.

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jaunte  May 30, 2019 • 2:58:48pm
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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 3:02:50pm

re: #129 jaunte

Malcolm P. Johnson
@admiralmpj
Chuck Todd, just now. “I believe the President.”

Just for that, I’d fire Todd. But @MSNBC is going to sink with him.

??? Believe him on what??? I don’t ever listen to Todd so don’t know the full context. Is it just that Trump did not specifically order that the McCain ship should be kept out of sight?

MSNBC better not sink; it’s the only network that is full on anti-Trump.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 30, 2019 • 3:04:42pm
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jaunte  May 30, 2019 • 3:07:49pm

re: #130 Hecuba’s daughter

Chuck Todd believes Trump had nothing to do with trying to make the USS McCain disappear.

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wrenchwench  May 30, 2019 • 3:09:13pm

re: #128 Hecuba’s daughter

Manafort wanted Pence. The question is: Why? I don’t think that was part of Mueller’s mandate, which seems very limited. His failure to request Trump’s tax records really concerns me about the scope of his investigation. OTOH, Mueller seems to be very literal and would not stray at all from the most narrow interpretation of the Rosenstein request.

Manafort was big in Ukraine. A big part of the putdown of the freedom movement was repressing (to the point of murdering) LGBTQ people. I think it’s part of how Putin works. Picking Pence is right in line with that.

That analysis was not part of Mueller’s mandate.

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William Lewis  May 30, 2019 • 3:10:17pm

Now for something completely pleasant: NPR reviews Good Omens:

‘Good Omens’ Serves Up A Cozy, Strangely Heartwarming Apocalypse
May 30, 2019

Most of the cleverest, funniest bits in Amazon’s six-episode series Good Omens, which debuts on May 31, come straight from the 1990 novel by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman, as you might expect.

Most — but, happily, not all.

The plot, about a demon named Crowley (David Tennant), who originally tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden, and an angel named Aziraphale (Michael Sheen), whose original gig was guarding the Garden’s East Gate with a flaming sword, is wholly intact: The two eternal beings’ extended tenure on Earth has engendered in them a fondness for the place and its people, so when they are instructed that the apocalypse has arrived, they conspire to stop it.

The elaborate mix-up involving an order of satanic nuns that results in the baby Antichrist getting mislaid — that’s also straight from the book.

Ditto the notion that the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse have been biding their time on Earth until they get their marching orders — er, riding orders. The detail that in the meantime one of the four — Pestilence — retired once penicillin was discovered, only to be replaced in the lineup by Pollution (Lourdes Faberes) seems to be one of the book’s, and the show’s, particularly Gaiman-esque touches.

In a more fundamental sense, however, the thing that sets Good Omens — book and show — apart from the fire hose of grim apocalyptic fare we’re getting doused with on a daily basis is its thorough, inveterate, consummate Britishness.

(I was going to add “unapologetic,” there, but “unapologetically British” feels like a contradiction in terms, surely.)

The rest is here: npr.org

GOOD OMENS Official Trailer #2 (2019) David Tennant, Michael Sheen Fantasy Series HD

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 3:11:46pm
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Amory Blaine  May 30, 2019 • 3:11:55pm

USS Hannity

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wrenchwench  May 30, 2019 • 3:12:05pm

re: #124 Decatur Deb

I’ll be busy organizing a voter registration event to vote President Pence out.

If we get Trump and Pence at the same time, we get Nancy, right?

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 3:12:49pm

re: #132 jaunte

Chuck Todd believes Trump had nothing to do with trying to make the USS McCain disappear.

The buck stops there.

White House Military Office
en.wikipedia.org

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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 3:13:15pm

re: #69 Hecuba’s daughter

And then Republicans take over and they expand again. I don’t know the right solution but FDR lost on his efforts to pack the SC. Having 15 justices might become somewhat unwieldy.

Let them. Timidity is no longer prudent. At some point the judge race will be negotiated. Or not. Maybe we have no 50 United States

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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 3:14:37pm

re: #91 Skip Intro

“IF”.

Of course. Everything five minutes from now is “if”

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 3:14:54pm

re: #137 wrenchwench

If we get Trump and Pence at the same time, we get Nancy, right?

In my Dec 2016 dreams, Trump would be so damaging to the GOP that we could make a package deal part of the price of Democratic cooperation on impeachment. Posted that here.

Such a child.

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wrenchwench  May 30, 2019 • 3:17:46pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

In my Dec 2016 dreams, Trump would be so damaging to the GOP that we could make a package deal part of the price of Democratic cooperation on impeachment. Posted that here.

Such a child.

Is that why you took a break? (I have no idea whether the timing works.)

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 3:19:48pm

re: #142 wrenchwench

Is that why you took a break? (I have no idea whether the timing works.)

No. Our divisive chatter became distracting and depressing, interfering with 2018 effort.

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wrenchwench  May 30, 2019 • 3:22:46pm

re: #143 Decatur Deb

No. Our divisive chatter became distracting and depressing, interfering with 2018 effort.

Dems in Disarray.

We’ll get past it or we’ll get used to it.

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 3:23:33pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

Dems in Disarray.

We’ll get past it or we’ll get used to it.

Or we’ll lose.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 3:25:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 3:27:26pm
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Dave In Austin  May 30, 2019 • 3:28:23pm

This is just me but Chucky could be right and Donito prolly didn’t know, and it was COS(acting) or some other Miller that thought it a good idea.
Donny shouldn’t be bothered with the “details”.
Just my $.02

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Mike Lamb  May 30, 2019 • 3:28:45pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sure, Bill, sure. You fucking hack.

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 3:29:03pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

A federal judge has ordered the forfeiture of Paul Manafort’s Trump Tower condo to the U.S. government. ->

NYC has a desperate shortage of homeless shelter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 3:29:21pm
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wrenchwench  May 30, 2019 • 3:29:26pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

Or we’ll lose.

That’s part of ‘used to it’. I couldn’t get used to it, but the disarray is coming from outside, for the most part. It’s being encouraged by our enemies. It’s their main weapon. Part of beating them is listening to them with as much verbal criticism as possible. Not with the aim of changing them, but for the education of our own side.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 30, 2019 • 3:31:54pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

Dems in Disarray.

We’ll get past it or we’ll get used to it.

That’s not what he was talking about. I also bailed for a couple of months before the primary, as I was sick and tired of being told all my work was for nothing and we would surely lose again.

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TedStriker  May 30, 2019 • 3:35:47pm

re: #153 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

That’s not what he was talking about. I also bailed for a couple of months before the primary, as I was sick and tired of being told all my work was for nothing and we would surely lose again.

Defeatism is very easy to slide into and very difficult to get out of for many people, because it’s extremely difficult to stay positive and engaged when it seems the world is turning to shit all around you.

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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 3:36:00pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

The buck stops there.

White House Military Office
en.wikipedia.org

If drumpf throws fits over similar things and has conditioned his staff to do these kind of things then he is responsible

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Ming5000  May 30, 2019 • 3:36:55pm

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

The USS McCain incident has got to be a UCMJ violation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 3:36:55pm

this is why MrBWS won’t be getting home anytime soon

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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 3:37:06pm

re: #149 Mike Lamb

Sure, Bill, sure. You fucking hack.

Let’s not forget his 19 page audition for the position, where he clearly stated that the President (R only, of course) is above the law. Perhaps Mueller is fighting a losing battle to preserve the rule of law and decorum and may have to learn to punch back, hard, instead of cryptic double negative pronouncements. He could have said: I believe that there is sufficient evidence that the President was guilty of obstruction and should be tried according to the Constitution.

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 3:38:26pm

re: #155 Old Liberal

If drumpf throws fits over similar things and has conditioned his staff to do these kind of things then he is responsible

He sets the tone, but there is a pre-set level of fluffing built into every Pentagon dog-robber.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 30, 2019 • 3:38:27pm

re: #154 TedStriker

Defeatism is very easy to slide into and very difficult to get out of for many people, because it’s extremely difficult to stay positive and engaged when it seems the world is turning to shit all around you.

That’s no excuse. If you can’t stay positive and engaged, stay negative and engaged. Or at least shut up, instead of shitting all over everyone else’s attempts to bring about the goal you also want.

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TedStriker  May 30, 2019 • 3:38:53pm

re: #156 Ming5000

The USS McCain incident has got to be a UCMJ violation.

You’d think that the USS Wasp MAGA patch incident would also be as well; we’ll see.

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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 3:40:45pm

re: #158 Hecuba’s daughter

Let’s not forget his 19 page audition for the position, where he clearly stated that the President (R only, of course) is above the law. Perhaps Mueller is fighting a losing battle to preserve the rule of law and decorum and may have to learn to punch back, hard, instead of cryptic double negative pronouncements. He could have said: I believe that there is sufficient evidence that the President was guilty of obstruction and should be tried according to the Constitution.

I agree, this is no time for timidity. We cannot “lead by example” when the other side deliberately breaks convention. We must show them that we will take every measure to restore our Republic.

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TedStriker  May 30, 2019 • 3:41:20pm

re: #160 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

That’s no excuse. If you can’t stay positive and engaged, stay negative and engaged. Or at least shut up, instead of shitting all over everyone else’s attempts to bring about the goal you also want.

Yeah, I don’t get that, unless what they want isn’t what you want…

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Ming5000  May 30, 2019 • 3:42:34pm

re: #161 TedStriker

You’d think that the USS Wasp MAGA patch incident would also be as well; we’ll see.

YES! Agree.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 30, 2019 • 3:43:04pm

So I got a reply from my senator (Feinstein) about my letter saying impeach the mf. It was noncommittal of course (I give her a pass on that as the Senate does not impeach, it tries impeachment, so she isn’t a player just yet), but not a word to suggest she was against it either.

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Ming5000  May 30, 2019 • 3:43:51pm

re: #162 Old Liberal

Mueller’s speech yesterday swung me to the impeach side.
It is time.

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Belafon  May 30, 2019 • 3:44:15pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 30, 2019 • 3:46:23pm

re: #166 Ming5000

Mueller’s speech yesterday swung me to the impeach side.
It is time.

Welcome, we have cookies. And pie.

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Belafon  May 30, 2019 • 3:46:33pm

re: #137 wrenchwench

If we get Trump and Pence at the same time, we get Nancy, right?

If is pretty big. There’s no way to realistically get both. The chain of succession is designed in case of something that kills them both off. There’s no to convict both at the same time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 3:46:45pm

moron seems worried

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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 3:47:01pm

re: #166 Ming5000

Mueller’s speech yesterday swung me to the impeach side.
It is time.

I think all of us are on the impeach side. Just how and when. Strategy is everything.

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Belafon  May 30, 2019 • 3:47:38pm

re: #166 Ming5000

Mueller’s speech yesterday swung me to the impeach side.
It is time.

One down, about 30M to go. I wonder if LGF can handle the traffic necessary to convert everyone.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 3:48:02pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe Nancy Pelosi should move into that Condo for a few days…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 3:48:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 3:48:55pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 3:49:38pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Look at me! Look at me! I’m so great! I’m so awesome!”

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 30, 2019 • 3:57:26pm

re: #169 Belafon

If is pretty big. There’s no way to realistically get both. The chain of succession is designed in case of something that kills them both off. There’s no to convict both at the same time.

Au contraire… confirming a new VP after the current one becomes President requires a majority vote of both Houses, so the office could be held vacant while the second trial of impeachment is held. I see no signs of anyone planning to impeach Pence, though.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 30, 2019 • 4:00:10pm

This. This. this.

and this

Facebook

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 4:01:05pm

re: #177 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Au contraire… confirming a new VP after the current one becomes President requires a majority vote of both Houses, so the office could be held vacant while the second trial of impeachment is held. I see no signs of anyone planning to impeach Pence, though.

He could resign, as Agnew did, as part of a bargain. Instead, the GOP has decided they are no better than Trump satellites.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 30, 2019 • 4:04:17pm

re: #178 I Would Prefer Not To

This. This. this.

and this

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No — he thinks he can control the narrative. The same GOP a*holes who block disaster relief will carry water for him and produce an counterargument carried by Faux News.
What scares him is his real finances becoming public. It is then that he loses control.

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KGxvi  May 30, 2019 • 4:05:56pm

re: #179 Decatur Deb

He could resign, as Agnew did, as part of a bargain. Instead, the GOP has decided they are no better than Trump satellites.

Granted, it was before my time, but didn’t Agnew resign because he was caught up in his own, separate scandal?

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 30, 2019 • 4:06:05pm

re: #180 Hecuba’s daughter

No — he thinks he can control the narrative. The same GOP a*holes who block disaster relief will carry water for him and produce an counterargument carried by Faux News.
What scares him is his real finances becoming public. It is then that he loses control.

works for me.

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gocart mozart  May 30, 2019 • 4:06:09pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 30, 2019 • 4:06:13pm

re: #180 Hecuba’s daughter

No — he thinks he can control the narrative. The same GOP a*holes who block disaster relief will carry water for him and produce an counterargument carried by Faux News.
What scares him is his real finances becoming public. It is then that he loses control.

And the fact that he is deep in the pockets of foreign interests with close connections to their governments will not rankle him as deeply as people finding out that he is worth only a few paltry borrowed millions and not the billions he claims.

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 4:07:01pm

re: #180 Hecuba’s daughter

We’re too hungry for some sweeping blitzkrieg that will end this by Christmas. This ends in bloody trench warfare, one damn electoral vote at a time.

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KGxvi  May 30, 2019 • 4:07:50pm

re: #180 Hecuba’s daughter

No — he thinks he can control the narrative. The same GOP a*holes who block disaster relief will carry water for him and produce an counterargument carried by Faux News.
What scares him is his real finances becoming public. It is then that he loses control.

Impeachment has to scare Fox News as much as it scares Trump. They’ll have to carry it life and “who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?” only works for so long.

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KGxvi  May 30, 2019 • 4:10:44pm

re: #185 Decatur Deb

We’re too hungry for some sweeping blitzkrieg that will end this by Christmas. This ends in bloody trench warfare, one damn electoral vote at a time.

we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 4:10:52pm

re: #181 KGxvi

Granted, it was before my time, but didn’t Agnew resign because he was caught up in his own, separate scandal?

Pre-election chicanery at state level. I used poor sentence structure: SB “As part of a bargain, he could resign like Agnew.”

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 4:12:50pm

re: #187 KGxvi

we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender

Don’t want to see metaphor and reality fused.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 30, 2019 • 4:16:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2019 • 4:16:38pm

Bolton better watch his ass.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2019 • 4:18:43pm

re: #187 KGxvi

we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender

The Simpsons: They Have The Plant, But We Have The Power

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 4:18:52pm

re: #190 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Whodathunkit????????

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wrenchwench  May 30, 2019 • 4:19:20pm

re: #186 KGxvi

Impeachment has to scare Fox News as much as it scares Trump. They’ll have to carry it life and “who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?” only works for so long.

‘Reality TV’ isn’t real. Anything can be made to work for longer than one might think.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2019 • 4:19:45pm

re: #185 Decatur Deb

We’re too hungry for some sweeping blitzkrieg that will end this by Christmas. This ends in bloody trench warfare, one damn electoral vote at a time.

So you’re saying we SHOULDN’T try to feint toward Alsace-Lorraine while the mass of our army does a sweeping march through France, pivoting on Strasbourg, catching the enemy in an enormous pincer?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2019 • 4:21:02pm

re: #193 Joe Bacon 🌹

Whodathunkit????????

And you thought YOUR boss gave tough performance reviews - “RAISE?!? You’re lucky we don’t SHOOT you!”

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 4:21:44pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

So you’re saying we SHOULDN’T try to feint toward Alsace-Lorraine while the mass of our army does a sweeping march through France, pivoting on Strasbourg, catching the enemy in an enormous pincer?

How’d that work out for them?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 30, 2019 • 4:22:08pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2019 • 4:22:20pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

How’d that work out for them?

Okay! Verdun here!

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 4:25:52pm

re: #199 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay! Verdun here!

Weinacht!! Ve’ll be home before Weinacht.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 30, 2019 • 4:27:33pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

Weinacht!! We’ll be home before Weinacht.

Almost as successful as sending the Wehrmacht to Russia without winter coats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 4:30:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 4:30:50pm
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jeffreyw  May 30, 2019 • 4:31:05pm
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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 4:32:26pm

re: #204 jeffreyw

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Chicken my ass. That’s this morning’s Cardinal.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 30, 2019 • 4:33:01pm

re: #194 wrenchwench

‘Reality TV’ isn’t real. Anything can be made to work for longer than one might think.

A live feed of a trial of impeachment would be a little harder to spin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 4:34:24pm
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jeffreyw  May 30, 2019 • 4:36:28pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

Chicken my ass. That’s this morning’s Cardinal.

Doves taste better, or so they say.

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 4:36:31pm

re: #206 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

A live feed of a trial of impeachment would be a little harder to spin.

Market share would tank after Hope Hicks leaves in her Little Black Dress.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 4:40:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 4:41:42pm

and the moron still has no idea how tariffs work

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 30, 2019 • 4:42:59pm

re: #209 Decatur Deb

Market share would tank after Hope Hicks leaves in her Little Black Dress.

Maybe… but I remember the Watergate hearings as a summer hit, even though everyone was wearing a baggy suit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 4:43:43pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  May 30, 2019 • 4:44:33pm

Can we at least impeach Barr and McConnel?

Barr for lying to congress

McConnel for not allowing a a vote on legislation to protect the election.

If congress can’t protect elections, what purpose do they serve?

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 4:45:24pm

re: #212 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Maybe… but I remember the Watergate hearings as a summer hit, even though everyone was wearing a baggy suit.

Yeah, but they had the raw sex appeal of Sam Ervin and John Erlichman.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 30, 2019 • 4:45:52pm

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the moron still has no idea how tariffs work

[Embedded content]

So this is his big announcement.

I wonder how long it will take him to walk it back.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 30, 2019 • 4:47:14pm

re: #215 Decatur Deb

Yeah, but they had the raw sex appeal of Sam Ervin and John Erlichman.

LOL. And gaaah.

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wrenchwench  May 30, 2019 • 4:47:58pm

re: #215 Decatur Deb

Yeah, but they had the raw sex appeal of Sam Ervin and John Erlichman.

Mo Dean, sitting behind her man.

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 4:49:07pm

re: #218 wrenchwench

Mo Dean, sitting behind her man.

Dean has a lot to teach the new generation of White House punks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 4:53:30pm
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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 4:54:05pm

re: #219 Decatur Deb

Dean has a lot to teach the new generation of White House punks.

The reactionaries still call Colson the hero.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 4:55:00pm
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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 4:56:04pm

re: #221 Old Liberal

The reactionaries still call Colson the hero.

Had his Come to Jesus moment.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 30, 2019 • 4:56:52pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Great news for all the American companies relying on Mexican suppliers.//

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 4:57:29pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

No problem. My salsa is made in NEW YORK.

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TedStriker  May 30, 2019 • 4:57:48pm

re: #221 Old Liberal

The reactionaries still call Colson the hero.

re: #223 Decatur Deb

Had his Come to Jesus moment.

AFAIK, Liddy has been pretty damn unrepentant about his role.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 30, 2019 • 4:58:08pm

re: #204 jeffreyw

[Embedded content]

To die for….

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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 4:58:14pm

re: #223 Decatur Deb

Had his Come to Jesus moment.

As I recall he was unrepentant about his subterfuge for Nixon. He just got born again without repenting for that.

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TedStriker  May 30, 2019 • 4:58:16pm

re: #225 Decatur Deb

No problem. My salsa is made in NEW YORK.

Imported, which automatically makes it better.

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sagehen  May 30, 2019 • 4:58:36pm

re: #221 Old Liberal

The reactionaries still call Colson the hero.

Not to mention G Gordon Liddy

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 4:59:28pm

re: #226 TedStriker

AFAIK, Liddy has been pretty damn unrepentant about his role.

About the only one to come out with some sort of blackguard dignity.

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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 4:59:29pm

re: #230 sagehen

Not to mention G Gordon Liddy

They love them some criminals don’t they

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Chrysicat  May 30, 2019 • 4:59:41pm

re: #46 Teddy’s Person

JFC

Here’s a pic:

[Embedded content]

I have to think Bibi wasn’t supposed to show that in public. Yes, everyone knows that Trump wants the UN dissolved and for right of conquest to be international law again, and that everyone who issues orders at DoS is in agreement with him by now.

But I have to think the Americans aren’t yet well-enough-armed for that to go from unacknowledged public knowledge to official policy.

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TedStriker  May 30, 2019 • 5:01:11pm

re: #231 Decatur Deb

About the only one to come out with some sort of blackguard dignity.

Hey, he parlayed that shit into a minor acting career and a couple-of-decades-long RWNJ radio gig.

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DodgerFan1988  May 30, 2019 • 5:01:55pm

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the moron still has no idea how tariffs work

[Embedded content]

Doesn’t matter. He’s pandering to his racist base. And when the tariffs slows down the US economy, these people are not going to blame said tariffs, they will blame the “illegals.” Win-win situation for the Republicans.

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 5:03:09pm

re: #234 TedStriker

Hey, he parlayed that shit into a minor acting career and a couple-of-decades-long RWNJ radio gig.

IIRC he was reduced to WWE “debates” with Timothy Leary or someone.

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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 5:03:39pm

re: #235 DodgerFan1988

Doesn’t matter. He’s pandering to his racist base. And when the tariffs slows down the US economy, these people are not going to blame said tariffs, they will blame the “illegals.” Win-win situation for the Republicans.

But the business community should be getting unhappy. Or are they as stupid as farmers?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 5:04:26pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  May 30, 2019 • 5:04:53pm

re: #237 Old Liberal

But the business community should be getting unhappy. Or are they as stupid as farmers?

business community hates admitting mistakes, so who knows?

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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 5:05:07pm

re: #237 Old Liberal

But the business community should be getting unhappy. Or are they as stupid as farmers?

You can chart their loyalty minute-by-minute on the Dow.

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Chrysicat  May 30, 2019 • 5:06:25pm

re: #237 Old Liberal

But the business community should be getting unhappy. Or are they as stupid as farmers?

No, but unlike farmers most of them could go with a restricted income for a year or two without going bankrupt. The exceptions are mainly LLCs and sole proprieterships, and the R solution to that will probably be “well, you should have incorporated years ago!”

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Belafon  May 30, 2019 • 5:06:26pm

re: #214 I Would Prefer Not To

Can we at least impeach Barr and McConnel?

Barr for lying to congress

McConnel for not allowing a a vote on legislation to protect the election.

If congress can’t protect elections, what purpose do they serve?

You can’t impeach a Senator.

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Old Liberal  May 30, 2019 • 5:08:10pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

You can chart their loyalty all day long on the Dow.

I don’t know. Doesn’t the 1% control well over 50%of stock market? I’m thinking businesses under $500 million revenue. Love them some tax cuts but tariffs are hurting

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 30, 2019 • 5:08:35pm

re: #242 Belafon

You can’t impeach a Senator.

You can’t elect an idiot, but here we are.

Also, I did not know that.

thanks

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 5:09:21pm
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Decatur Deb  May 30, 2019 • 5:10:25pm

re: #243 Old Liberal

I don’t know. Doesn’t the 1% control well over 50%of stock market? I’m thinking businesses under $500 million revenue. Love them some tax cuts but tariffs are hurting

Tomorrow’s opening will be interesting. Impeachment starts when the Dow crosses to 19,999.

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Romantic Heretic  May 30, 2019 • 5:10:56pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow! And the complain ‘liberals’ are passive-aggressive.

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Skip Intro  May 30, 2019 • 5:11:41pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron seems worried

[Embedded content]

Worried about what?

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 30, 2019 • 5:12:20pm

re: #235 DodgerFan1988

Doesn’t matter. He’s pandering to his racist base. And when the tariffs slows down the US economy, these people are not going to blame said tariffs, they will blame the “illegals.” Win-win situation for the Republicans.

Our major exports to Mexico are machinery and autos/auto parts. When Mexico retaliates and they lose their jobs, it may get their attention. Hard to blame illegals when you can see that it’s you and your coworkers going down.

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Chrysicat  May 30, 2019 • 5:14:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2019 • 5:16:09pm

meanwhile in Cincinnati:

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Belafon  May 30, 2019 • 5:23:17pm

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

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retired cynic  May 30, 2019 • 6:20:34pm

re: #204 jeffreyw

[Embedded content]

Oh, man, I LOVE chicken and dumplings!

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 30, 2019 • 11:27:24pm

re: #115 KGxvi

For those interested in the rules of impeachment, there’s a nice primer here. And the official Senate rules are here.

There are no official rules in the Senate while McConnell is leading it.


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