BREAKING: When Trump Hosted Russian Officials in the White House in 2017, He Told Them He Didn’t Care About Their Election Interference

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And we have another major bit of impeachment news tonight, amid the increasing deluge: Trump told Russian officials in 2017 he wasn’t concerned about Moscow’s interference in U.S. election.

If you were paying attention you remember this meeting, and yes, it looked terrible back then. It looked like Trump was laughing with Russian cronies about stealing the election.

And yeah, that’s what it was.

President Trump told two senior Russian officials in a 2017 Oval Office meeting that he was unconcerned about Moscow’s interference in the U.S. election because the United States did the same in other countries, an assertion that prompted alarmed White House officials to limit access to the remarks to an unusually small number of people, according to three former officials with knowledge of the matter.

The comments, which have not been previously reported, were part of a now-infamous meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, in which Trump revealed highly classified information that exposed a source of intelligence on the Islamic State. He also said during the meeting that firing FBI Director James B. Comey the day before had relieved “great pressure” on him.

A memorandum summarizing the meeting was limited to all but a few officials with the highest security clearances in an attempt to keep the president’s comments from being disclosed publicly, according to the former officials, who requested anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.

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1
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:50:40pm

Jesus H. Fucking Christ. This train is speeding out of control.

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:52:26pm

Updated for new thread

After embarrassing Trump phone calls with foreign leaders leaked a few years ago, Steps Were Taken.

Instead of something intelligent, like treating all presidential phone calls interactions with anyone the same and locking them all up tighter than gnat’s asshole, these idiots appear to have settled on this as a way to handle Trump phone calls interactions with anyone:

“Fucking Hell, Trump has shit the bed again. This call transcript goes to the special server. God I hope the Democrats never find out about the special server.”

This is like sub-Keystone Kops idiocy. Unbelievable.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:53:02pm
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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:53:23pm

re: #1 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s almost too much to process.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:53:45pm

This is a bad time for a congressional recess.

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:54:13pm

I think part of what’s going on here is that the intelligence community has decided that Trump is bad for The Mission.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:54:14pm

re: #3 jaunte

Who later also died under mysterious circumstances, didn’t he?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:55:44pm

Today it’s been a Friday Afternoon Toilet Flush News Dump every hour!

Congress has to come back in session on Monday!

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:55:45pm

re: #7 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Who later also died under mysterious circumstances, didn’t he?

I don’t think so. The spy was pulled from the field.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:55:59pm

re: #7 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I thought they got that one out.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:56:03pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

I don’t think so. The spy was pulled from the field.

I’m thinking of somebody else, then. But yeah, bad enough.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:57:17pm

Yes, Republicans, you got any problems with treachery?

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:57:56pm

That cover picture always gets me, it is a defining image. It is of 3 people, 2 people are in on the joke and the 3rd is a dumb sap who pretends to play along.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:58:04pm

If anything, Obama and Biden were complicating Hunter’s life, not helping him. Shokin’s investigation of Burisma had been closed and he was refusing to cooperate with UK prosecutors. He never filed a single high profile corruption indictment and everyone thought he was running a protection racket.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:58:15pm

re: #3 jaunte

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same meeting where trump bragged about firing “that nutjob Comey”?

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:58:53pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 27, 2019 • 5:59:32pm

Adam Schiff announced that the Democrats won’t be taking a recess.

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:00:16pm

re: #5 jaunte

This is a bad time for a congressional recess.

Members of the House Intelligence Committee had said they planned to continue working next week through Congress’s scheduled recess, promising a very busy next few weeks.

washingtonpost.com

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:00:18pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:00:25pm

re: #5 jaunte

This is a bad time for a congressional recess.

Looks like i picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!
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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:02:34pm

A confused Geraldo offers to fight himself.

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:03:07pm

Report this guy. The avatar is Michele Obama holding a sign that says “Biden grabbed my penis”

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Mescalero09  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:04:21pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:05:26pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:05:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:06:12pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:06:20pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:06:30pm

re: #19 jaunte

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Charles Johnson  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:06:45pm

Wow, fucken wow. That is all.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:07:22pm

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:07:33pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

Arranging an escape?

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steve_davis  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:08:05pm

Tonight, listening to the high-definition version of Spirogyra’s (no, not THAT Spirogyra) St. Radigund’s. It is categorized as “acid folk”, but that really doesn’t do it justice. Let’s just say, if you have never heard the album, it qualifies in my mind as one of the best albums of the 1970’s. Has some stunningly beautiful sections.

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:08:06pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:08:19pm

There’s too fuckin’ much going on.

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:08:27pm

July 17th

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:09:24pm

re: #35 b.d.

That actually happened in post war Germany.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:09:43pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

There’s too fuckin’ much going on.

This is so great!
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:10:09pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #31 jaunte

Maybe he wants to take a closer look at Mt Etna?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:10:14pm

re: #21 jaunte

A confused Geraldo offers to fight himself.

I initially read that as “LIGHT himself” for some reason, possibly advanced age. I thought, “Hey go for it! Imagine the ratings.”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:10:14pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:10:40pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

That actually happened in post war Germany.

In 1973, it was hard to find anyone who’d admit to voting for McGovern.

In 1975, it was hard to find anyone who’d admit to voting for Nixon.

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stpaulbear  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:11:38pm

re: #23 Mescalero09

Pence’s name should be a lot bigger now.

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:11:42pm

That Q fella must have a hell of a story to tell us soon! Please!?! Where you at Q buddy!?!?!?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:11:44pm

This is like watching Watergate on Fast Forward.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:12:15pm

Holy CENSORED!

What’s Next?

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:13:01pm

re: #43 b.d.

So funny that “Q” hasn’t posted *anything* since 8chan went dark.

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:13:16pm

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:13:29pm

re: #46 teleskiguy

So funny that “Q” hasn’t posted *anything* since 8chan went dark.

Gee, it’s almost like Q was some sort of fictitious troll created by 8chan to scam the rubes.

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stpaulbear  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:14:07pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

In 1973, it was hard to find anyone who’d admit to voting for McGovern.

In 1975, it was hard to find anyone who’d admit to voting for Nixon.

I voted for McGovern in ‘72. I was 18. Absolutely no regrets.

Edited because I can’t remember shit about the 70’s.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:14:22pm

re: #46 teleskiguy

So funny that “Q” hasn’t posted *anything* since 8chan went dark.

And what do my Qwazy Q relatives say?

Q had to go underground because Hillary almost killed him…three times…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:14:57pm
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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:15:34pm

re: #50 Joe Bacon 🌹

And what do my Qwazy Q relatives say?

Q had to go underground because Hillary almost killed him…three times…

lol, Anthony Weiner being alive is proof enough that Hillary doesn’t kill people.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:17:33pm

re: #44 Blind Frog Belly White

This is like watching Watergate on Fast Forward.

Because we now have the INFORMATION SUPER HIGHWAY

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:18:14pm

And the latest…Holy CENSORED squared!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:19:18pm

re: #52 b.d.

lol, Anthony Weiner being alive is proof enough that Hillary doesn’t kill people.

Geniffer Flowers, Juanita Broadrick, Paula Jones, Ken Starr, Linda Tripp, Monica Lewinsky - it’s like the Clintons only kill minor players who couldn’t hurt them while leaving the real problem people alive.

But then they also took that huge risk of exposure and , having all those illegal aliens vote just to run up the popular vote in California and New York, right?
///////////////////////////

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:20:18pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:22:28pm
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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:23:48pm

So how can anyone not in the loop get access to the code word only access cache?

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:24:49pm
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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:25:05pm

re: #58 b.d.

Just become a member at Mar-A-Lago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:25:22pm

re: #54 Joe Bacon 🌹

And the latest…Holy CENSORED squared!

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convicted of lying to investigators, but not for child pornography.

sheesh

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:26:22pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

The part of the story that stunned me is at the bottom: he’s still in the Army.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:27:11pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:27:16pm

re: #62 jaunte

The part of the story that stunned me is at the bottom: he’s still in the Army.

OK now what else is going to hit the fan when Rachel comes back from a commercial break?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:27:19pm

re: #62 jaunte

The part of the story that stunned me is at the bottom: he’s still in the Army.

yep…just relocated to Virginia.

Just like happens with Catholic priests…

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Dread Pirate  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:29:47pm
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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:30:03pm

Figures……f+cking freak!

Last fall, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy was traveling with Trump on Air Force One when he noticed that POTUS was snacking from a jar of Starburstbut only eating the pink and red ones. It was a light bulb moment for the Republican congressman. He tells the Washington Post, “A bit later, a couple of his aides saw me with those colors and told me, ‘Those are the president’s favorites.’” Soon after, McCarthy put together a care package of exclusively pink and red Starburst and sent it as a gift to Trump.

bravotv.com

Dear God, this may be the worst thing I have ever heard about Trump

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:33:56pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:35:10pm

From the previous thread (oboy I get to use this GIF again):

re: #336 austin_blue

Go ahead, say “evil fuckwit”. It’s cleansing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:37:24pm

re: #68 jaunte

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:37:38pm

Let’s hear it for the free market…

pressherald.com

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steve_davis  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:37:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:40:42pm

O_o

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:40:53pm

Amodei on Trump impeachment probe: ‘If you broke the law there are consequences for that’ (Reno Gazette-Journal)

Representative Mark Amodei is Nevada’s only Republican rep. He says he supports the impeachment enquiry, and if the facts warrant, will vote for impeachment.

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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:41:21pm

Just read a brief history of the Illuminati: fun!

nationalgeographic.com

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:41:41pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

Add this to the list. If the White House lied about this meeting to Mueller’s investigators, that another count of obstruction of justice.

If Mueller knew the nature of this meeting and for some reason decided not to have it in the report, that’s a whole separate inquiry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:43:42pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:45:03pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

On the issue of inherent contempt, could not any member of the committee bring it up as a point of order, or does the chairman have to bring it up?

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:46:16pm

The rot is widespread.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:46:17pm
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Belafon  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:47:22pm

re: #5 jaunte

This is a bad time for a congressional recess.

They’re not going on recess.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:47:53pm

re: #81 Belafon

This is a good weekend for Trump to release his taxes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:48:10pm
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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:49:53pm

can i go to sleep or do I gotta stay up all nignt?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:50:05pm
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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:50:08pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Having to golf with Graham may be the worst thing to happen to Trump all week.

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garzooma  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:50:17pm

re: #14 goddamnedfrank

Shokin’s investigation of Burisma had been closed and he was refusing to cooperate with UK prosecutors. He never filed a single high profile corruption indictment and everyone thought he was running a protection racket.

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You can see why Trump called Shokin “a prosecutor who was very good”. This is exactly what Trump wants for us.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:50:50pm

IMPORTANT PSA INCOMING!!!

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:50:59pm

re: #82 jaunte

This is a good weekend for Trump to release his taxes.

This is a good weekend for Trump’s taxes to leak.

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:51:31pm

re: #84 DangerMan

can i go to sleep or do I gotta stay up all nignt?

if you go to sleep it means you might wake up to a president pence but it’s your call.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:52:46pm

re: #84 DangerMan

re: #90 b.d.

Or if we really get lucky President Pelosi.

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:53:11pm

re: #86 b.d.

Having to golf with Graham may be the worst thing to happen to Trump all week.

Probably not. Graham will just make himself at home deep in Trump’s colon, and Trump is the kind of degenerate that’s into shit like that.

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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:53:25pm

re: #90 b.d.

if you go to sleep it means you might wake up to a president pence but it’s your call.

tomorroes wake up music

it’s a beautiful morning
good day sunshine
brand new day

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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:54:51pm

re: #66 Dread Pirate

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Pompeo is in hip deep.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:55:31pm

re: #93 DangerMan

tomorroes wake up music

it’s a beautiful morning
good day sunshine
brand new day

At least it’s not Tuesday. Then it’s Heat of the Moment.

/Waiting for someone to get it

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garzooma  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:55:40pm

re: #92 EPR-radar

Probably not. Graham will just make himself at home deep in Trump’s colon, and Trump is the kind of degenerate that’s into shit like that.

Lindsey Lemmiwinks.

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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:56:53pm

re: #94 Stanley Sea

Pompeo is in hip deep.

they’re all in it. impossible to not know

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makeitstop  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:57:15pm

Geez, I go out for happy hour and boom.

Anecdote: We went to happy hour with the singer of a band I’m in and his wife. As a rule, the band steers clear of talking politics, but I know the singer is a pretty big Trumper. We sat at the bar, talking about our vacations, the weather, Knicks and Nets, whatever, with CNN on the bar TV. I’m watching the chyron breaking news every 20 seconds and I’m losing my mind, but I don’t say anything.

My singer looks up at the TV for a minute, then says ‘It really looks like he fucked up bad.’

This whole thing may just collapse before the weekend is out.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:58:31pm

re: #98 makeitstop

I’m waiting for what my dad has to say. My mom, generally, is reserved in her political opinions; my sister less so, but she respects me enough to never really bring it up. My dad has neither respect nor reservation.

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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 6:58:52pm

re: #98 makeitstop

Geez, I go out for happy hour and boom.

Anecdote: We went to happy hour with the singer of a band I’m in and his wife. As a rule, the band steers clear of talking politics, but I know the singer is a pretty big Trumper. We sat at the bar, talking about our vacations, the weather, Knicks and Nets, whatever, with CNN on the bar TV. I’m watching the chyron breaking news every 20 seconds and I’m losing my mind, but I don’t say anything.

My singer looks up at the TV for a minute, then says ‘It really looks like he fucked up bad.’

This whole thing may just collapse before the weekend is out.

everybody’s known
they’ve always known
but when it’s on every freakin chyron it’s harder to dismiss

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:00:00pm

He needs to go to prison for a long time

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:00:19pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:00:37pm

50 bucks says Trump will attempt to pardon himself.

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:00:47pm

Time to watch Bill Maher take credit for all of this…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:01:08pm

An interesting question that Mrs. Fish raised: If Trump does, in fact, get impeached and removed from office, would he be eligible to run again in 2020?

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steve_davis  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:01:31pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“In other news, Lindsey Graham was tragically killed during a golf outing when he apparently leapt from the top of the 18th hole.”

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Mescalero09  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:01:35pm

re: #98 makeitstop

Lucky you. My bass player still has his head up Trumps ass. I continually tell myself it’s just business.
But what a fucking day, eh?

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makeitstop  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:01:46pm

We’re going to run out of subpoenas, aren’t we?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:02:09pm

re: #106 steve_davis

“In other news, Lindsey Graham was tragically killed during a golf outing when he apparently leapt from the top of the 18th hole.”

RAT FARTS!!!!!

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makeitstop  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:02:27pm

re: #107 Mescalero09

Lucky you. My bass player still has his head up Trumps ass. I continually tell myself it’s just business.
But what a fucking day, eh?

I’m getting pretty close to being able to say I’ve seen everything.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:02:34pm

re: #79 jaunte

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The rot is widespread.

It certainly is. Trump’s removal is paramount, of course, but (to paraphrase Churchill) it should not be seen as the end, or even the beginning of the end, but the end of the beginning. The bone deep corruption of conservative America needs to be exposed and cleansed.

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:02:35pm

re: #108 makeitstop

We’re going to run out of subpoenas, aren’t we?

some of them have been returned unopened

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Mescalero09  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:03:01pm

re: #110 makeitstop

I really think that is a large part of my problem.
And I can’t spell.

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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:05:39pm

re: #105 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

An interesting question that Mrs. Fish raised: If Trump does, in fact, get impeached and removed from office, would he be eligible to run again in 2020?

in the constitution .

the Senate can bar holding future office.

how they wouldn’t would be mindboggling

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plansbandc  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:05:47pm

re: #22 gocart mozart

Reported.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:06:48pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It certainly is. Trump’s removal is paramount, of course, but (to paraphrase Churchill) it should not be seen as the end, or even the beginning of the end, but the end of the beginning. The bone deep corruption of conservative America needs to be exposed and cleansed.

This should go right down to the tawdriest local sleazebag, since the hinterland gentry is the driving force behind the political right. There is a reason that the local aristocracy was the main target of the French Revolution. Louis XVI, Marie Antoinette, and other high profile types lost their heads, to be sure, but it was the hereditary bosses out in the provinces who contributed the real numbers to Madame Guillotine.

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:06:52pm

re: #105 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

An interesting question that Mrs. Fish raised: If Trump does, in fact, get impeached and removed from office, would he be eligible to run again in 2020?

Disqualification from holding any future federal office is something that can be done in an impeachment, and it would be asinine to boot someone like Trump from office and not also disqualify him.

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:08:04pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It certainly is. Trump’s removal is paramount, of course, but (to paraphrase Churchill) it should not be seen as the end, or even the beginning of the end, but the end of the beginning. The bone deep corruption of conservative America needs to be exposed and cleansed.

Agreed. Trump was absolutely inevitable on the path the GOP has taken, and nobody inside the GOP realizes that.

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calochortus  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:11:20pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

IMPORTANT PSA INCOMING!!!

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Wow! I got my flu shot today too. How long does the super-sexy last?

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:12:03pm

re: #119 calochortus

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:12:45pm

re: #119 calochortus

Wow! I got my flu shot today too. How long does the super-sexy last?

Based on my experience, three days, until you get into some poison ivy.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:13:24pm

From the previous thread:

re: #376 plansbandc

We like to hand out full size bars too.

Chocolate companies and children would say you’re doing the Lord’s work. /s

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Florida Panhandler  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:13:35pm

re: #118 EPR-radar

Trump was just the latest incarnation of the right wing evolution. Where Trump at least claimed to have black friends and supporters the next right wing demagogue will have no such compulsion or need. He will be an all out in your face white supremacist and fully proud of it. And he will get an automatic 35% of the entire country’s base support.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:14:50pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:16:02pm

re: #120 jaunte

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My Dad verbatim on climate change.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:16:43pm

re: #125 Stanley Sea

Sorry. I’ve been there.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:17:06pm

From the previous thread:

re: #383 Blind Frog Belly White

But you still buy the candy, right?

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

I take the fifth…

Make mine a quart.

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:17:26pm

REMINDER:

Yeah, but they all don’t die in prison

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:17:49pm
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plansbandc  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:18:11pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

I told the little asswipe that he works for a rag that has always supported fascism.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:19:00pm

re: #119 calochortus

Wow! I got my flu shot today too. How long does the super-sexy last?

FOREVER!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:19:11pm

re: #128 b.d.

REMINDER:

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Yeah, but they all don’t die in prison

Dying with a very bad, highly published bad reputation is not a good thing.

No matter how they pretend it’s OK.

Ask OJ.

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:19:57pm

re: #119 calochortus

Wow! I got my flu shot today too. How long does the super-sexy last?

I have an 8:30 tee time.

//

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:20:03pm

re: #128 b.d.

Cynical nihilists lying in public distributing bribes is no basis for a system of government.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:20:51pm
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calochortus  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:21:04pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

FOREVER!

Yay!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:21:19pm

re: #22 gocart mozart

Report this guy. The avatar is Michele Obama holding a sign that says “Biden grabbed my penis”

The account is still there.

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plansbandc  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:21:38pm

re: #102 jaunte

Did I say wholly appropriate? My bad. I meant wholly inappropriate. Sorry about that. *Hops jet to Russia*

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:21:46pm

re: #134 jaunte

Cynical nihilists lying in public distributing bribes is no basis for a system of government.

I mean, if I went ‘round saying I was an emperor because some disaffected Republican lobbed some cash at me, they’d put me away!

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makeitstop  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:22:09pm

Heh.

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:23:10pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:23:22pm

re: #135 Dread Pirate

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calochortus  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:24:15pm

Actually, being 66 I apparently should have gotten the “senior” version (trivalent and 4 times as strong) but they didn’t have any. I went for the “regular” one as it is quadravalent and judging from my immune system’s rather, umm, robust response to my Shingrix vaccine, I don’t think I need something stronger to get it to respond to a flu vaccine.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:24:38pm

re: #1 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Jesus H. Fucking Christ. This train is speeding out of control.

Very much like the impeachment of Richard Nixon. The majority of the public was against impeachment, until they suddenly weren’t.

Could Senator Graham’s private trip with Donald Trump to his golf course be a replay of Senator Goldwater’s trip to the White House?

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Cheechako  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:25:03pm

AARRGGHH!! Went to pick up some some groceries at the local Fred Meyers this afternoon. Store employees were assembling artificial Christmas trees in the garden section!!!

Can’t they at least wait until Halloween has passed?

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Dread Pirate  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:26:09pm
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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:26:38pm
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Scout  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:27:43pm

I have to admit this one made me laugh in spite of myself. I’m attempting to hide it (fingers crossed) out of fear that some — maybe even many — will find it distasteful.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:27:45pm

re: #147 jaunte

Don’t be coy. McConnell is driving the bus.

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wrenchwench  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:28:08pm

re: #145 Cheechako

AARRGGHH!! Went to pick up some some groceries at the local Fred Meyers this afternoon. Store employees were assembling artificial Christmas trees in the garden section!!!

Can’t they at least wait until Halloween has passed?

And I thought it was bad when I saw a turkey being painted on a window in September…

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:28:37pm
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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:28:50pm

re: #143 calochortus

Actually, being 66 I apparently should have gotten the “senior” version (trivalent and 4 times as strong) but they didn’t have any. I went for the “regular” one as it is quadravalent and judging from my immune system’s rather, umm, robust response to my Shingrix vaccine, I don’t think I need something stronger to get it to respond to a flu vaccine.

My first shingles shot of this set made me ache a bit. The second just knocked me flat on my azz. I ended up just going to bed. Maybe the fact that I was only about 6 weeks from being in the hospital with sepsis made that reaction really hit. Still, am glad I got it! My cousin has had a bout of it that has lasted about 10 months, and she is miserable, and can’t (I assume) love on her grandbabies, or see her 96 year old father. I do not need that!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:29:24pm

re: #142 Stanley Sea

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This makes me miss McCain badly. His reputation as a maverick was yes overblown but I do believe that McCain ultimately was country before party.

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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:29:45pm

re: #139 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I mean, if I went ‘round saying I was an emperor because some disaffected Republican lobbed some cash at me, they’d put me away!

you need bunches of republicans

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calochortus  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:30:47pm

re: #145 Cheechako

AARRGGHH!! Went to pick up some some groceries at the local Fred Meyers this afternoon. Store employees were assembling artificial Christmas trees in the garden section!!!

Can’t they at least wait until Halloween has passed?

Obviously not.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:30:58pm

re: #151 b.d.

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Just a New York millionaire I hired, he runs a beauty pageant and had a trashy reality show. I never would drink Trump vodka. //

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Jay C  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:31:07pm

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Could Senator Graham’s private trip with Donald Trump to his golf course be a replay of Senator Goldwater’s trip to the White House?

I really doubt it - not at this juncture. More likely ol’ Lindsey is going to use his jaunt on the links to get the latest talking points lined up, and give a presser afterwards where he will insist that everything is fine, and that the only problems in Washington stem from the sick loser-hater Democrats who are still mindlessly trying to overturn Trump’s YUUUGE election victory with its overwhelming mandate…..

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:31:14pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Getting shot at with Russian missiles probably has a clarifying effect as to friend or foe.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:31:24pm

Godspeed to the hunters. Pull on those threads, and pull hard… Destroy the Sweater of Treason!

Let’s find out what’s on that server full of call records, and let’s get a hold of his tax records. Burn, piggy, burn!

Dare I hope. I’m feeling a teeny bit of optimism, like a breeze from a catacomb, a whisper from last century…

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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:31:58pm

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Very much like the impeachment of Richard Nixon. The majority of the public was against impeachment, until they suddenly weren’t.

Could Senator Graham’s private trip with Donald Trump to his golf course be a replay of Senator Goldwater’s trip to the White House?

facts coming out have a way of doing that.

and no. Lindsey is no Goldwater. besides we’re not there yet. Trump certainly isnt.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:32:08pm

re: #157 Jay C

I really doubt it - not at this juncture. More likely ol’ Lindsey is going to use his jaunt on the links to get the latest talking points lined up, and give a presser afterwards where he will insist that everything is fine, and that the only problems in Washington stem from the sick loser-hater Democrats who are still mindlessly trying to overturn Trump’s YUUUGE election victory with its overwhelming mandate…..

Have to agree. Graham ain’t Goldwater and I’m overall not a fan of Goldwater.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:34:25pm

re: #160 DangerMan

facts coming out have a way of doing that.

and no. Lindsey is no Goldwater. besides we’re not there yet. Trump certainly isnt.

Trump isn’t Nixon. At least Nixon had the decency to resign and realize even if he thought he was right, enough people thought he wasn’t. Damning with faint praise I know but the more I see of Trump, the more he stands out as an uniquely terrible individual among our Presidents.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:35:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:35:26pm

By uniquely terrible, I mean what makes his terribleness unique compared even other presidents with terrible qualities to clarify.

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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:35:44pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Trump isn’t Nixon. At least Nixon had the decency to resign and realize even if he thought he was right, enough people thought he wasn’t. Damning with faint praise I know but the more I see of Trump, the more he stands out as an uniquely terrible individual among our Presidents.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:36:26pm

re: #148 Scout

Gq5fTfcJgWlPmLqtjr+2MRSmK7tzjk1s

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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:36:31pm

re: #163 jaunte

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because he’s so manageable now

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:36:46pm

re: #165 DangerMan

Absolutely. Historians are going to remember Donnie but so are psychologists. Especially Freudians.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:37:15pm
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stpaulbear  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:37:33pm

re: #128 b.d.

REMINDER:

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Yeah, but they all don’t die in prison

I hope his kids hate him.

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:37:40pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

He needs to go to prison for a long time

The rest of his miserable life.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:37:53pm

Btw one of you added me on FB.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:37:53pm

Pizzagate is real, just not in the way these Right-Wingers thought.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:38:09pm

re: #167 DangerMan

All the people who imagined he was manageable or would “grow into the office” were delusional.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:38:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:38:27pm

re: #170 stpaulbear

I hope his kids hate him.

I hope his grandkids hate him even more.

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:39:02pm

re: #170 stpaulbear

I hope his kids hate him.

Only if they can’t get a job because of his name, that’s the way it works there.

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calochortus  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:39:06pm

re: #152 retired cynic

My first shingles shot of this set made me ache a bit. The second just knocked me flat on my azz. I ended up just going to bed. Maybe the fact that I was only about 6 weeks from being in the hospital with sepsis made that reaction really hit. Still, am glad I got it! My cousin has had a bout of it that has lasted about 10 months, and she is miserable, and can’t (I assume) love on her grandbabies, or see her 96 year old father. I do not need that!

I was tired the day after the first one. The second one made me tired, achy, low grade fever, headache, and just a touch of nausea. Yeah, I spent the day in bed. Better than shingles.
My brother and sister-in-law had basically no reaction. So, who knows?

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:39:29pm

re: #160 DangerMan

facts coming out have a way of doing that.

and no. Lindsey is no Goldwater. besides we’re not there yet. Trump certainly isnt.

Graham is almost certainly being blackmailed himself, and the kompromat likely the darkest and most damning. His about face on Trump was just too stark and too complete, he acts like a man facing existential annihilation if he’s now seen as somehow betraying Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:39:30pm

re: #174 jaunte

All the people who imagined he was manageable or would “grow into the office” were delusional.

I have to admit. I knew it would be bad but these past two years and change have been so surreal.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:40:35pm

Ana nails it here.

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:41:05pm

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

Graham is almost certainly being blackmailed himself, and the kompromat likely the darkest and most damning. His about face on Trump was just too stark and too complete, he acts like a man facing existential annihilation if he’s now seen as somehow betraying Trump.

Right.

This golf game with Trump seems very much like a visit from a handler.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:41:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:41:27pm

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

Graham is almost certainly being blackmailed himself, and the kompromat likely the darkest and most damning. His about face on Trump was just too stark and too complete, he acts like a man facing existential annihilation if he’s now seen as somehow betraying Trump.

I imagine there’s a lot of kompromat on many of them. The ones I’m most interested in are ones like Lindsay who went from Trump critics to “Na Na Na, Leader, Leader, Leader.”

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:43:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:44:40pm

re: #182 b.d.

Right.

This golf game with Trump seems very much like a visit from a handler.

Away from cameras. Yeah. “Listen Lindsay, we have this on you. You will play “golf” with Mr. President. And you will treat him with the greatest loyalty.” I mean I doubt it’s that Hollywoodsque but as I said, I’m very curious about how people like Graham went from being honesty genuinely disturbed by a Trump presidency to one of his biggest lackeys.

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stpaulbear  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:44:52pm

re: #152 retired cynic

My first shingles shot of this set made me ache a bit. The second just knocked me flat on my azz. I ended up just going to bed. Maybe the fact that I was only about 6 weeks from being in the hospital with sepsis made that reaction really hit. Still, am glad I got it! My cousin has had a bout of it that has lasted about 10 months, and she is miserable, and can’t (I assume) love on her grandbabies, or see her 96 year old father. I do not need that!

Both of my shingles shots made my arm ache for weeks. The second felt worse than the first. My dad had shingles and really hated it so I was more than happy to get vaccinated.

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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:45:47pm

Speaking of immune systems, my sinuses just hit max from zero in about a half hour, so a look at the radar confirms a big red line advancing on me from the northwest. eek! If it brings moisture and not disaster, I’ll be happy. It is still 80 and humid at nearly 10pm here.

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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:45:47pm

re: #174 jaunte

All the people who imagined he was manageable or would “grow into the office” were delusional.

pivot any day now

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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:47:03pm

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

Graham is almost certainly being blackmailed himself, and the kompromat likely the darkest and most damning. His about face on Trump was just too stark and too complete, he acts like a man facing existential annihilation if he’s now seen as somehow betraying Trump.

or we may find out he’s just spineless. //

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:48:15pm

The Connecticut Post’s editorial board called for Fuckface’s resignation yesterday.

The proper next step for the president is clear. He should resign. He has repeatedly proven himself unfit for office and appears to view the presidency as a position meant to benefit himself personally, not as one that must represent the interests of an entire nation.

Because there’s almost no chance he is going to step down, Congress’ work becomes that much more vital.

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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:48:20pm

re: #181 Stanley Sea

Ana nails it here.

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worse.
they can say their copies are different and how are we to have faith in the integrity if ours?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:48:51pm

re: #190 DangerMan

or we may find out he’s just spineless. //

I’m curious if anyone has a date the first time Graham really went over the top kissing Trumps ass.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:49:55pm

re: #174 jaunte

All the people who imagined he was manageable or would “grow into the office” were delusional.

I’ve maintained for years that at least one future write-up of him should be titled “The Ugliest American”. I don’t know if he’s the worst President ever - I’ve seen arguments that Bush 2 gets that title for sheer scale of waste and misery he caused - but he’s likely the worst human being ever to hold the office, at least since the 1850s. And, in my opinion, outside of physically violent individuals (like killers, racist terrorists, etc.), and bona fide crazy people, he may be the worst publicly known human being our culture has ever produced.

He’s not a man in the normal social sense - he’s a collection of pathologies with a Social Security Number.

I work with a smattering of Trumpites, and I overheard a co-worker yesterday morning on the phone with her husband talking about impeachment and how she “felt bad” for Trump because everyone was picking on him… There’s not a desk in the world big enough to hit my head against for that kind of alternate-universe ignorance.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:51:40pm

He’s talking about Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracey, et al. I knew Greenwald wasn’t on the level way back 25 years ago when he was Eddie Snowdon’s liaison in Hong Kong. Fuck those people.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:53:06pm

re: #194 Pawn of the Oppressor

Upside-down Backwards Land:

HUCKABEE SANDERS: The idea that they thought there was going to be some type of major bombshell to come out of this is frankly embarrassing for the Democrats. I think that it’s one of the dumbest and most ridiculous political moves that we’ve seen in history how they have forced impeachment over this issue.
crooksandliars.com

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:54:10pm

re: #190 DangerMan

or we may find out he’s just spineless. //

He’s all in for King Piggy. Him and Rand Paul are drinking from the same spiked punch.

The Russians didn’t just get DNC communications, they also hacked the RNC. I bet they have some REALLY interesting internal comms about Live Boys and Dead Girls which are worth a sanctions relief vote here and there.

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stpaulbear  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:56:04pm

re: #167 DangerMan

because he’s so manageable now

It would be nice if there was someone on his staff who could catch him in the middle of a rage and tell him - calmly and purposefully - that all of his problems could disappear if he would just resign and go back to his penthouse in NY. Happily ever after.

Of course, he’ll never get to live happily ever after any more, but I’d love to think someone could put it into his deluded mind long enough for him to sign a resignation letter.

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:56:07pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:56:42pm

re: #98 makeitstop

Geez, I go out for happy hour and boom.

Anecdote: We went to happy hour with the singer of a band I’m in and his wife. As a rule, the band steers clear of talking politics, but I know the singer is a pretty big Trumper. We sat at the bar, talking about our vacations, the weather, Knicks and Nets, whatever, with CNN on the bar TV. I’m watching the chyron breaking news every 20 seconds and I’m losing my mind, but I don’t say anything.

My singer looks up at the TV for a minute, then says ‘It really looks like he fucked up bad.’

This whole thing may just collapse before the weekend is out.

So THAT is where he draws the line… oye.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:58:04pm

re: #194 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’ve maintained for years that at least one future write-up of him should be titled “The Ugliest American”. I don’t know if he’s the worst President ever - I’ve seen arguments that Bush 2 gets that title for sheer scale of waste and misery he caused - but he’s likely the worst human being ever to hold the office, at least since the 1850s. And, in my opinion, outside of physically violent individuals (like killers, racist terrorists, etc.), and bona fide crazy people, he may be the worst publicly known human being our culture has ever produced.

He’s not a man in the normal social sense - he’s a collection of pathologies with a Social Security Number.

I work with a smattering of Trumpites, and I overheard a co-worker yesterday morning on the phone with her husband talking about impeachment and how she “felt bad” for Trump because everyone was picking on him… There’s not a desk in the world big enough to hit my head against for that kind of alternate-universe ignorance.

I’ve told you all this story but. My Dad and I were chatting one night. Dad’s a lifelong liberal. But he’s not really a political junkie or glued to national news tho he follows it. He asked me if it was okay that he instantly thinks negatively of someone if he knows they like Trump. I thought about it this way and it’s why as you put it, Trump may not necessarily be the most destructive President but he is a really terrible person and so much of what I dislike an him isn’t directly related to his ideology. So I had to say no to that, Trump represents the worst we can be as people and seeing someone likes that is a red flag.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:58:15pm

re: #194 Pawn of the Oppressor

He’s not a man in the normal social sense - he’s a collection of pathologies with a Social Security Number.

That is great

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:58:39pm

re: #195 teleskiguy

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He’s talking about Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracey, et al. I knew Greenwald wasn’t on the level way back 25 years ago when he was Eddie Snowdon’s liaison in Hong Kong. Fuck those people.

Matt Taibbi.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:58:41pm

I’m fatigued. I’m sad for Sionnain and her two daughters. This week has been a fucking cluster trying to follow the news.

However, this deluge is also making me *cautiously* optimistic. There has to be a breaking point, right?!?

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 7:59:36pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Matt Taibbi.

Him too. And to think that one time I thought he was a pretty good writer. His stuff on the Crash of 2008 and the subsequent recession was actually must-read stuff.

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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:00:02pm

re: #196 jaunte

Upside-down Backwards Land:

HUCKABEE SANDERS

some people don’t mind showing the world what an idiot they are

others don’t know they are doing it

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:00:23pm

re: #123 Florida Panhandler

Trump was just the latest incarnation of the right wing evolution. Where Trump at least claimed to have black friends and supporters the next right wing demagogue will have no such compulsion or need. He will be an all out in your face white supremacist and fully proud of it. And he will get an automatic 35% of the entire country’s base support.

Dan Crenshaw.

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b.d. (They're all guilty as sin)  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:01:26pm

Bet’cha Trump sucks at golf tomorrow, throws tantrums and cheats.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:01:53pm
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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:02:03pm

re: #198 stpaulbear

It would be nice if there was someone on his staff who could catch him in the middle of a rage and tell him - calmly and purposefully - that all of his problems could disappear if he would just resign and go back to his penthouse in NY. Happily ever after.

Of course, he’ll never get to live happily ever after any more, but I’d love to think someone could put it into his deluded mind long enough for him to sign a resignation letter.

yup
too late to wash this stink off
he will always be known.for this now
no going back

resignimg.might be smart, so..no

besides nys is looming

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:02:05pm

re: #208 b.d.

Bet’cha Trump sucks at golf tomorrow, throws tantrums and cheats.

Dude, that’s all his golf outings.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:02:41pm

re: #209 teleskiguy

Literally laughing out loud.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:03:00pm

re: #205 teleskiguy

Him too. And to think that one time I thought he was a pretty good writer. His stuff on the Crash of 2008 and the subsequent recession was actually must-read stuff.

I know. I used to read him in Rolling Stone when my Dad had a subscription. I think people like him are so nihilistic that they hate the mainstream left establishment so much that they don’t care if shit Iike Trump happens. Plus he’s a raging misogynist too. A lot of these types are.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:03:28pm

re: #211 teleskiguy

Dude, that’s all his golf outings.

I can’t lose Monty. They’ll eat me alive.///

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:06:15pm

Yesterday is a fun movie btw. Good movie to escape in especially if you suspend your disbelief.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:07:19pm

re: #145 Cheechako

AARRGGHH!! Went to pick up some some groceries at the local Fred Meyers this afternoon. Store employees were assembling artificial Christmas trees in the garden section!!!

Can’t they at least wait until Halloween has passed?

Halloween already passed last year!

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:07:38pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

This makes me miss McCain badly. His reputation as a maverick was yes overblown but I do believe that McCain ultimately was country before party.

Meh.

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:09:35pm

re: #163 jaunte

They somehow see trump as manageable? Seriously? GTFOHWTS.

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:10:40pm

re: #170 stpaulbear

I hope his kids hate him.

I hope they join him in the pokey for the rest of their miserable enabled lives.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:10:51pm

re: #217 MsJ

Meh.

I dunno. Hear me out. He did stop the ACA repeal. His reputation I think is mostly undeserved but I don’t think he was a Von Papen like his friend Graham.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:11:26pm

re: #218 MsJ

They’re managing him by scotch-taping the papers he won’t stop tearing up like a child.

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Scout  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:11:33pm

re: #209 teleskiguy

OK, that one deserves an award.

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ckkatz  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:12:08pm

re: #187 stpaulbear

Both of my shingles shots made my arm ache for weeks. The second felt worse than the first. My dad had shingles and really hated it so I was more than happy to get vaccinated.

Hmm, I go in for the second Shingrix shot next week. I guess that I’m lucky in that respect, the first shot didn’t seem to affect me.

On the other hand, I had shingles about 7 years ago. And I definitely would recommend the shot over the shingles.

A friend said that she had shingles in the nerves on her head. And that it damaged the optic nerve in one eye.

I went in for the flu shot a couple of weeks ago.

At Kaiser they have a group of nurses giving the shots right in the lobby. If I go in early enough in the season, I’ll go up to the intake nurse and say “Reporting to be shot”. It’s usually good for a double take by the nurse.

And I will admit to having said to the nurse giving the shots “Stick it to me”. It was good for a giggle. On the other hand, that just may have been because she was on the far side of the pointy part.

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:12:26pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

I have to admit. I knew it would be bad but these past two years and change have been so surreal.

Today has been surreal. One day.

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plansbandc  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:12:52pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

I have to go meh also. He obviously hated dubya, but my God did he suck up to him. Had he lived, he may very well have sucked up to tRump too.

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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:14:03pm

re: #223 ckkatz

My husband was the type of guy I had to sternly remind him not to make bomb jokes when we heading into the airport.

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ckkatz  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:14:36pm

This is a song about an incident in 1942 during the first major maneuvers the Army did, the Louisiana Maneuvers.

Or maybe it’s about the current president:

Waist Deep in the Big Muddy - Pete Seeger

Pete Seeger: Waist Deep in the Big Muddy

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:14:37pm

re: #224 MsJ

Today has been surreal. One day.

Yep. Yesterday Trump talked about executing the person who helped the whistleblower and now it comes out he actually told the Russians he didn’t care about interference.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:15:47pm

re: #225 plansbandc

I have to go meh also. He obviously hated dubya, but my God did he suck up to him. Had he lived, he may very well have sucked up to tRump too.

That’s a fair point especially given what the Bush campaign surrogates said about his family.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:16:05pm

It’s nice to see that my Republican Senator’s tweets consistently get ratio’d by angry constituents.

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Scout  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:16:14pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

I dunno. Hear me out. He did stop the ACA repeal. His reputation I think is mostly undeserved but I don’t think he was a Von Papen like his friend Graham.

You’re far more gracious than I am. Many, many times, when the rubber met the road, he helped build up what we are now dealing with.

In a word, he was GOP, born and bred.

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ckkatz  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:16:43pm

re: #226 retired cynic

My husband was the type of guy I had to sternly remind him not to make bomb jokes when we heading into the airport.

Good <*ahem*> point. You may be right, that it could easily have been ‘counter-productive’. Certain professions are not known for any sense of humor.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:17:22pm

John McCain: honorable soldier, disgraceful politician.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:18:03pm

re: #230 teleskiguy

It’s nice to see that my Republican Senator’s tweets consistently get ratio’d by angry constituents.

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Buddy, I think you’re going to get the same gift I did in 2018 when Wexton beat Comstock. You’ll find out Cory will lose early on. Corys election reminds me of McDonnells here, a final glory for a state party on its way out.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:18:15pm

re: #227 ckkatz

I remember that song being used as a metaphor for Vietnam.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:19:10pm

re: #233 teleskiguy

John McCain: honorable soldier, disgraceful politician.

Where he ranks as a statesman is where I think there’s understandable disagreements even if I as said think he wasn’t as principled as made out to be.

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DangerMan  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:19:15pm

re: #231 Scout

You’re far more gracious than I am. Many, many times, when the rubber met the road, he helped build up what we are now dealing with.

In a word, he was GOP, born and bred.

gotta agree
his couple of moments of ‘clarity’ aren’t enough

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:19:26pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

One good thing maybe Obama Isn’t a Muslim, too, not much more.

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marcusgorillius  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:20:20pm

Trumps done. I only hope that the Dems can take Pence, Barr and McConnell down also. The Republican Party is rotten to the core. Do not forget about the people that enabled him. Everyone of these fuckers should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

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ckkatz  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:21:18pm

re: #235 jaunte

I remember that song being used as a metaphor for Vietnam.

You exactly nailed this version of the song. From the description on the YouTube page:

“Aired on CBS at the height of the Vietnam War, this song holds just as much truth today.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:21:19pm

re: #238 MsJ

One good thing maybe Obama Isn’t a Muslim, too, not much more.

I’m not saying he was a great guy. I’m saying I think he would be bothered by what Trump is doing but a2d. I don’t think he would be leading impeachment calls for sure.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:21:23pm

re: #239 marcusgorillius

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:21:36pm

re: #231 Scout

You’re far more gracious than I am. Many, many times, when the rubber met the road, he helped build up what we are now dealing with.

In a word, he was GOP, born and bred.

Palin. Need I say anything more?

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:22:28pm

re: #239 marcusgorillius

Trumps done. I only hope that the Dems can take Pence, Barr and McConnell down also. The Republican Party is rotten to the core. Do not forget about the people that enabled him. Everyone of these fuckers should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

And kavanaugh.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:22:58pm

re: #239 marcusgorillius

Trumps done.

Giphy

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:23:25pm

re: #239 marcusgorillius

Trumps done. I only hope that the Dems can take Pence, Barr and McConnell down also. The Republican Party is rotten to the core. Do not forget about the people that enabled him. Everyone of these fuckers should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

The Republicans need to go the way of The Federalists. Not The Whigs. The party needs to die and suffer in political hell and a new right needs to emerge.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:23:46pm

Cliché but true:

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ckkatz  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:24:02pm

Apropos to nothing…

One of the talking heads on the Rachel Maddow show pointed out that placing the 2017 White House Kislyak discussion tape on the code-word classified server may have been justified. Considering that Trump disclosed that type of information during the discussion.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:24:50pm

re: #244 MsJ

And kavanaugh.

Gorsuch too. He may not be crooked but he’s the product of an illegitimate presidency.

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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:27:22pm

re: #249 HappyWarrior

I wish I could agree, but we’re not going to get that gift. Let’s get Kavanaugh, if we can, and consider that a good decade’s work done!

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:27:44pm
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:28:09pm

I mean, Eric tweeted this out yesterday.

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plansbandc  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:28:18pm

re: #249 HappyWarrior

I don’t think any of his appointments should stand. He’s not legitimate. We’ve known this since the beginning. Now everyone is going to know it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:28:42pm

re: #250 retired cynic

I wish I could agree, but we’re not going to get that gift. Let’s get Kavanaugh, if we can, and consider that a good decade’s work done!

True. I’d settle for Kavanaugh being gone. Gorsuch is bad but he’s not epically awful. Kavanaugh is judicial flavored Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:29:32pm

re: #252 Ace-o-aces

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I mean, Eric tweeted this out yesterday.

Charlie really wants to take Hoft’s SMOTI crown.

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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:31:17pm

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Let ‘em fight for it.

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plansbandc  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:33:01pm

Putting this under because it’s offensive. I like it a lot, but it’s offensive. :D

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:34:00pm

re: #239 marcusgorillius

Trumps done. I only hope that the Dems can take Pence, Barr and McConnell down also. The Republican Party is rotten to the core. Do not forget about the people that enabled him. Everyone of these fuckers should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

I just had the horrible thought that Pence succeeds Trump if finally gets the boot, and then Pence gets elected President next year.

Because the average American voter is a fucking idiot, and will look at Pence and go “Well, he’s not obviously insane like Trump, and he believes in God, so he’s got my vote!”

Then we get four more years of the GOP destroying the country, only they’re going to be quieter about it.

I know a lot of this presupposes that Pence doesn’t get dragged down with Trump. But then again, I thought Americans would be smart enough to see Trump for what he was and crush him at the polls.

That turned out well.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:34:11pm

Fuckin’ fuck.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:34:36pm

re: #256 retired cynic

Let ‘em fight for it.

Only if Jacob Wohl comes in at the end with a chair and hits them both.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:35:38pm

re: #258 Mattand

McConnell is signaling to Trump to resign. Lots of luck with that.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:36:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:37:02pm

re: #258 Mattand

I just had the horrible thought that Pence succeeds Trump if finally gets the boot, and then Pence gets elected President next year.

Because the average American voter is a fucking idiot, and will look at Pence and go “Well, he’s not obviously insane like Trump, and he believes in God, so he’s got my vote!”

Then we get four more years of the GOP destroying the country, only they’re going to be quieter about it.

I know a lot of this presupposes that Pence doesn’t get dragged down with Trump. But then again, I thought Americans would be smart enough to see Trump for what he was and crush him at the polls.

That turned out well.

You’re giving Pence way too much credit as a campaigner. Trump is a terrible political leader but he knows how to inspire a cult like following. Pence? He was about to lose reelection as governor in a very Republican state because the gist of his agenda is being afraid of cooties and he can’t do Trumps fake bravado.

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:37:46pm

re: #187 stpaulbear

Both of my shingles shots made my arm ache for weeks. The second felt worse than the first. My dad had shingles and really hated it so I was more than happy to get vaccinated.

I’m beginning to think I have it. I’ve had this rash for a month that goes away when I take steroids and then comes back when the course is done. I’m not in any pain, but I’m in the prime territory for it (age, medical history, etc.)

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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:38:22pm

re: #264 Mattand

On one or both sides?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:38:24pm

re: #251 MsJ

And it’ll be all targeted at Republicans that don’t protect him. Fine by me.

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:38:36pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

You’re giving Pence way too much credit as a campaigner. Trump is a terrible political leader but he knows how to inspire a cult like following. Pence? He was about to lose reelection as governor in a very Republican state because the gist of his agenda is being afraid of cooties and he can’t do Trumps fake bravado.

The bolded is a really good point.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:39:55pm

washingtonpost.com

His big mouth I continue to believe will be why he will fall.

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:40:02pm

re: #265 retired cynic

On one or both sides?

Both sides. It’s been primarily on my hands. There’s an outside chance it’s poison ivy, which I’m hyper allergic to.

I’m in-between primaries right now, which is another problem.

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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:41:22pm

re: #269 Mattand

Shingles is, I think, only on one side. Being between primaries is a b$%^&

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:42:08pm

re: #270 retired cynic

Shingles is, I think, only on one side. Being between primaries is a b$%^&

Can confirm, shingles is only on one side.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:42:12pm

re: #267 Mattand

The bolded is a really good point.

Yeah. This is why Trump wanted Chris Christie come to think of it. I bet Trump makes fun of Pence and Pences weird religious oddities behind his back. Pence isn’t the kind of guy Donald would share prostitutes with but Christie is.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:42:31pm

A little story illustrating the fractal lying of Trumpworld.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:43:05pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:43:17pm

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Very much like the impeachment of Richard Nixon. The majority of the public was against impeachment, until they suddenly weren’t.

Could Senator Graham’s private trip with Donald Trump to his golf course be a replay of Senator Goldwater’s trip to the White House?

Nope. If Scarlett O’Lindsay did the Goldwater thing South Carolina Republicans will slaughter him in the 2020 primary.

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ckkatz  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:44:38pm

re: #269 Mattand

Both sides. It’s been primarily on my hands. There’s an outside chance it’s poison ivy, which I’m hyper allergic to.

I’m in-between primaries right now, which is another problem.

Definitely go in some place and get it checked out! If it is the shingle, there are antivirals and steroids that they can give which can help reduce severity. (Well, except for me. The steroids may have helped cause post-herpatic neuralgia. Something else which I do not recommend. )

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:45:06pm

re: #270 retired cynic

Shingles is, I think, only on one side. Being between primaries is a b$%^&

re: #271 Ace-o-aces

Can confirm, shingles is only on one side.

Thanks, folks. Appreciate it.

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:45:59pm

re: #276 ckkatz

Definitely go in some place and get it checked out! If it is the shingle, there are antivirals and steroids that they can give which can help reduce severity. (Well, except for me. The steroids may have helped cause post-herpatic neuralgia. Something else which I do not recommend. )

Thanks!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:46:24pm

re: #273 jaunte

A little story illustrating the fractal lying of Trumpworld.

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But no ones been tougher on Russia than Trump. //

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:48:35pm

re: #274 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:49:26pm

re: #274 teleskiguy

ace-o-aces sent me this, good supplemental reading.

snopes.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:51:35pm

re: #119 calochortus

Wow! I got my flu shot today too. How long does the super-sexy last?

Flu shots still aren’t available here.

I don’t know if I’ll be able to handle my wife’s sexy when she gets hers. /s

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:56:12pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Away from cameras. Yeah. “Listen Lindsay, we have this on you. You will play “golf” with Mr. President. And you will treat him with the greatest loyalty.” I mean I doubt it’s that Hollywoodsque but as I said, I’m very curious about how people like Graham went from being honesty genuinely disturbed by a Trump presidency to one of his biggest lackeys.

Putin has Kompromat on Graham.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:56:58pm

I love the fact that Kelly Carlin and I have been following each other for years on Twitter.

And also Moon Zappa, though she tweets very sporadically.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 8:59:02pm

re: #147 jaunte

I saw it coming. The second Trump became a liability, McConnell would defenestrate him. Then he gets to campaign in Kentucky on “I waited until I had all the information because I didn’t want to act rashly.”

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Egregious Philbin  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:00:08pm

re: #284 teleskiguy

She was great on Gilbert Gottfried’s podcast. Also, re: Moon Zappa, did you know she dated Marc Maron (its his birthday today).

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:00:54pm

re: #286 Egregious Philbin

re: Moon Zappa, did you know she dated Marc Maron (its his birthday today).

I did know that!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:02:20pm

re: #285 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I saw it coming. The second Trump became a liability, McConnell would defenestrate him. Then he gets to campaign in Kentucky on “I waited until I had all the information because I didn’t want to act rashly.”

Thing is though, Trump is actually more popular than Mitch is in his home state.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:02:39pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Matt Taibbi.

Jimmy Dore is the exception. He’s doubling down the Tulsi love and RT bullshit on You Tube.

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plansbandc  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:03:02pm

re: #287 teleskiguy

Didn’t last very long though.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:03:59pm

re: #286 Egregious Philbin

Marc Maron’s podcast with Dweezil was hard to listen to. The Zappa siblings were suing each other over the rights to Frank’s material. He implicitly blamed Gail for the rift. Apparently the factions (Ahmet and Diva VS. Moon and Dweezil) buried the hatchet last year, and Dweezil continues to tour and play his father’s music under his own name.

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Jay C  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:04:35pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

Yeah. This is why Trump wanted Chris Christie come to think of it. I bet Trump makes fun of Pence and Pences weird religious oddities behind his back. Pence isn’t the kind of guy Donald would share prostitutes with but Christie is.

Yeah, but would we really want Big Chris as VP? One thing, though: with Christie waiting in the wings, he would probably have an orange jumpsuit tailored for Trump already on order. With a set of matching “bracelets” to go with….

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:05:53pm

re: #290 plansbandc

Didn’t last very long though.

Comedians are notorious for bad relationships. I think Doug Stanhope figured it out, his girlfriend is diagnosed schizophrenic, and they’ve been a couple for many years.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:08:51pm

re: #178 calochortus

I was tired the day after the first one. The second one made me tired, achy, low grade fever, headache, and just a touch of nausea. Yeah, I spent the day in bed. Better than shingles.
My brother and sister-in-law had basically no reaction. So, who knows?

I was quite ill after both Shingrix shots. I spent three days in bed after each.

I’d still rather have that than shingles. One of my great-grandmothers suffered regular bouts of shingles; I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:08:53pm

re: #292 Jay C

Yeah, but would we really want Big Chris as VP? One thing, though: with Christie waiting in the wings, he would probably have an orange jumpsuit tailored for Trump already on order. With a set of matching “bracelets” to go with….

No, we wouldn’t. New Jersey got tired of Christie’s act eventually.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:09:58pm

My flame, my muse…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:10:47pm

re: #296 teleskiguy

My flame, my muse…

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Haha.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:11:31pm

Warren got my primary vote tonight though. She articulated imo perfectly why Trump needs to go.

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ckkatz  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:12:11pm

Rachel Maddow had Timothy Snyder on her show this evening. Snyder is a Professor of History at Yale. I find him to be quite perceptive and interesting on the current ‘Trump’ situation.

Sort of like I think Sarah Kendzior will be in a few decades. (And I think that Dr Kendzior adds a lot of value to the current discussions.)

He made a lot of excellent points. Among them:

1. Trump is a symptom of a much greater problem. If we survive Trump, we need to fix that greater problem.

2. Respect for the rule of law is critical for the survival of our democracy.

3. Uncorrupted institutions are also critical to the survival of our democracy. he suggested adopting an institution and doing what one can to aid, defend and support it.

4. What Trump and his co-conspirators are doing in Ukraine is trying to steer a developing democracy back into the corrupt state that it was just emerging from.

(Their perfect selection of corrupt agents tied in with the fact that they do not have that firm a grasp of history make me personally wonder whether they are getting help from a third party. Such as Putin.)

I would highly recommend that you watch or listen to that segment.

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:12:14pm

re: #291 teleskiguy

Marc Maron’s podcast with Dweezil was hard to listen to. The Zappa siblings were suing each other over the rights to Frank’s material. He implicitly blamed Gail for the rift. Apparently the factions (Ahmet and Diva VS. Moon and Dweezil) buried the hatchet last year, and Dweezil continues to tour and play his father’s music under his own name.

Yeah, I listened to that one. That was hard. Glad things got worked out.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:12:25pm

re: #293 teleskiguy

Comedians are notorious for bad relationships.

There’s a wonderful caveat to this blanket statement. George Carlin. Brenda was his lover, mother to his only child, and business partner, and they travelled everywhere together.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:13:05pm

re: #294 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Well. Maybe Mitch McConnell.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:14:00pm

re: #300 Mattand

Yeah, I listened to that one. That was hard. Glad things got worked out.

Gail took all of Dweezil’s merch money when he was touring as Zappa Plays Zappa. It hasn’t been made public, but I hope that part of all the lawyering that was going on resulted in Dweezil getting that money. He worked his ass off for that money.

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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:14:23pm

That storm line just hit here. MAJOR crash onto the roof, and the wind blew the north door open. Bet there is a new hole punched in the roof!

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:14:49pm

Even the cat is watching impeachment news. Pepper loves her TV

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:15:50pm

re: #305 Rightwingconspirator

Pepper’s getting up there in years, isn’t she?

Always loved that cat, she’s got a swagger.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:16:05pm

re: #292 Jay C

Yeah, but would we really want Big Chris as VP? One thing, though: with Christie waiting in the wings, he would probably have an orange jumpsuit tailored for Trump already on order. With a set of matching “bracelets” to go with….

If Christie were VP, Trump might not have engaged in the worst offenses. If Christie were the one to replace him, we wouldn’t have an ideologue or theocrat. Christie might be a bully but he knows issues and appears to believe in climate change.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:16:16pm

re: #299 ckkatz

Rachel Maddow had Timothy Snyder on her show this evening. Snyder is a Professor of History at Yale. I find him to be quite perceptive and interesting on the current ‘Trump’ situation.

Sort of like I think Sarah Kendzior will be in a few decades. (And I think that Dr Kendzior adds a lot of value to the current discussions.)

He made a lot of excellent points. Among them:

1. Trump is a symptom of a much greater problem. If we survive Trump, we need to fix that greater problem.

2. Respect for the rule of law is critical for the survival of our democracy.

3. Uncorrupted institutions are also critical to the survival of our democracy. he suggested adopting an institution and doing what one can to aid, defend and support it.

4. What Trump and his co-conspirators are doing in Ukraine is trying to steer a developing democracy back into the corrupt state that it was just emerging from.

(Their perfect selection of corrupt agents tied in with the fact that they do not have that firm a grasp of history make me personally wonder whether they are getting help from a third party. Such as Putin.)

I would highly recommend that you watch or listen to that segment.

He’s one of my favorite historians. If I recall your ancestral roots like some of mine are in the former borderland intersections of the former German, Austrian-Hungarian, & Russian empires. Snyder has written extensively about that region. Another guy I like is Robert Evans if Behind the Bastards. He’s not an academic but he tries to understand in a lay person willing to read on the history how the past relates to how we got here.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:16:38pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

I’m curious if anyone has a date the first time Graham really went over the top kissing Trumps ass.

Art of the deal? Graham praises Trump after playing round of golf with the president (Goes to The State, Columbia, So. Car., more at the link):

The Columbus Day holiday was recognized on Monday. Many enjoyed a day off, while several others spent time in the office or doing work.

For Lindsey Graham, he might have done a little of both. Graham (R-S.C.) tweeted he spent his afternoon playing golf - with President Donald Trump.

“Really enjoyed a round of golf with President @realDonaldTrump today,” Graham put on Twitter after the pair returned from playing at the Trump National Golf Club in Virginia.

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:17:53pm

re: #295 HappyWarrior

No, we wouldn’t. New Jersey got tired of Christie’s act eventually.

Don’t even get me started on that, LOL. Like I said before, there’s a teacher up the street from me who thought he was the second coming of Christ. Despite all of the evidence that Christie literally wanted to destroy this guy’s job security.

I voted against that loudmouthed jackass both times. It feels like I’m one of 238 people in the state who did that, and have zero qualms about reminding my fellow Jerseyites about it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:18:00pm

re: #307 Hecuba’s daughter

If Christie were VP, Trump might not have engaged in the worst offenses. If Christie were the one to replace him, we wouldn’t have an ideologue or theocrat. Christie might be a bully but he knows issues and appears to believe in climate change.

Uh are you forgetting what he did to the bridge? Yeah Christie isn’t ideologically nuts but he’s got Trump’s power hardon.

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:18:58pm

re: #304 retired cynic

That storm line just hit here. MAJOR crash onto the roof, and the wind blew the north door open. Bet there is a new hole punched in the roof!

Oh, geez, be careful. We had a tree hit the house last year. Hang in there.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:19:01pm

re: #310 Mattand

Don’t even get me started on that, LOL. Like I said before, there’s a teacher up the street from me who thought he was the second coming of Christ. Despite all of the evidence that Christie literally wanted to destroy this guy’s job security.

I voted against that loudmouthed jackass both times. It feels like I’m one of 238 people in the state who did that, and have zero qualms about reminding my fellow Jerseyites about it.

You should. I was always proud to be always Bush skeptical.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:19:30pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:20:00pm

Oh fuck, he found his unsecured iPhone.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:21:15pm

re: #274 teleskiguy

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Snopes weighs in.

snopes.com

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:23:29pm

re: #307 Hecuba’s daughter

If Christie were VP, Trump might not have engaged in the worst offenses. If Christie were the one to replace him, we wouldn’t have an ideologue or theocrat. Christie might be a bully but he knows issues and appears to believe in climate change.

One word: Bridgegate.

Seriously, Christie fucked over a tiny little town because the mayor didn’t kiss his ass. Don’t kid yourself if you think Christie wouldn’t scale that up on a national level if given the power.

And as I mentioned earlier, ask any teacher about how non-ideological he was about teachers’ unions.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:23:35pm

re: #316 Joe Bacon 🌹

Snopes weighs in.

I know.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:23:42pm

Getting in late here. Can I get a quick rundown on the Shingle Vaccine convo?? I’m 65 and had 1 a few years ago. What what?

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:24:52pm

re: #306 teleskiguy

Pepper’s getting up there in years, isn’t she?

Always loved that cat, she’s got a swagger.

12 going on 13. Goes so fast

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:25:11pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Uh are you forgetting what he did to the bridge? Yeah Christie isn’t ideologically nuts but he’s got Trump’s power hardon.

Christie is a bully and the bridge is in line with that, but I don’t think that he would have been on board with treason with the Russians. He certainly would not have decimated the State Department — and might have prevented Trump from doing so. OTOH, as Rick Wilson wrote, ETTD — so Christie would have probably been destroyed too.

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:26:31pm

We sat down to have dinner, had a nice chat about today’s craziness, and She Who Must Be Obeyed got on her feed while I was reading a book and kept saying “wow”. I said don’t tell me, I’ll catch up later.

She handed me the I-Pad and said “you won’t believe what is being released right now”. Ten minutes of reading and I was absolutely gobsmacked.

No President can survive these revelations. The Republicans in the Senate will be *pleading* for the Dems to send them Articles of Impeachment so they can get rid of this shit stain as quickly as quickly as possible so they can recalibrate for the election.

Dems should take their time and investigate *everyone* associated with this Admin, starting with Pence and McMaster.

This is just acid fever dream info, but it appears to be real.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:28:23pm

re: #319 Dave In Austin

Getting in late here. Can I get a quick rundown on the Shingle Vaccine convo?? I’m 65 and had 1 a few years ago. What what?

Humira depresses my immune system and one of the side effects was getting Shingles a couple times. Hits only one side of the body and it is excruciating!

Dr explained that if you got chicken pox as a kid the virus never dies and it stays dormant in nerve roots but if you get stressed or immunocompromised the virus triggers shingles but they cannot explain why it only hits one side of your body.

Dr made sure that I got the shingles vaccines after the last attack that was hell for a week. Had to recover a month from that attack before the first vaccine. they spaced 3 vaccines at 6 month intervals because I was on Humira to keep rheumatoid arthritis in check. Am glad I haven’t had a breakout since!

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Dave In Austin  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:28:57pm

re: #318 teleskiguy

Did you know that all RR spikes are technically the property of the Railroad? I believe there are some obscure laws regarding this. It’s alway a topic of conversation on the blacksmith forums. Spikes are a plentiful source of cheap workable Iron.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:29:42pm

re: #321 Hecuba’s daughter

Christie is a bully and the bridge is in line with that, but I don’t think that he would have been on board with treason with the Russians. He certainly would not have decimated the State Department — and might have prevented Trump from doing so. OTOH, as Rick Wilson wrote, ETTD — so Christie would have probably been destroyed too.

I think you’re being way too generous to Christie. You give him credit for being secular. No Republican was more secular than Rudy Giuliani. Pro choice, liked being on SNL and in movies, even performed in drag. Imo It’s not about secularity or religiousness with Trump’s lackeys, it’s about loyalty to him.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:32:22pm

re: #323 Joe Bacon 🌹

OK…… I knew all that. My wife has a compromised immune sys due to Crohn’s. She also has never had the chicken pox. She was adamant about me getting the shingle vac as soon a ins. would pay for it.

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:37:40pm

re: #321 Hecuba’s daughter

Christie is a bully and the bridge is in line with that, but I don’t think that he would have been on board with treason with the Russians. He certainly would not have decimated the State Department — and might have prevented Trump from doing so. OTOH, as Rick Wilson wrote, ETTD — so Christie would have probably been destroyed too.

I can’t square this with the fact he basically did the same thing Lindsay Graham did: was vehemently anti-Trump and then became a servile boot licker.

The only possible nod I can give to Governor Loudmouth is that being a former prosecutor, he might have been savvy enough to keep track of where the bodies where buried in order to save his own sorry ass.

Trust me, I had to hear about this jackass everyday for eight years. He doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:38:21pm

re: #253 plansbandc

I don’t think any of his appointments should stand. He’s not legitimate. We’ve known this since the beginning. Now everyone is going to know it.

The problem here is there is no Constitutional remedy for voiding such appointments other than impeachment.

That would be a lot of impeachments.

I’m not sure how to handle that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:40:48pm

re: #327 Mattand

I can’t square this with the fact he basically did the same thing Lindsay Graham did: was vehemently anti-Trump and then became a servile boot licker.

The only possible nod I can give to Governor Loudmouth is that being a former prosecutor, he might have been savvy enough to keep track of where the bodies where buried in order to save his own sorry ass.

Trust me, I had to hear about this jackass everyday for eight years. He doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Moreover Christie happily was helping Trump when Christie went after Rubio. His criticism of Rubio had merit obviously but he was happily kneecapping Rubio to benefit Trump.

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ckkatz  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:43:18pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

He’s one of my favorite historians. If I recall your ancestral roots like some of mine are in the former borderland intersections of the former German, Austrian-Hungarian, & Russian empires. Snyder has written extensively about that region. Another guy I like is Robert Evans if Behind the Bastards. He’s not an academic but he tries to understand in a lay person willing to read on the history how the past relates to how we got here.

Pretty good guess!

I will need to check out Robert Evans.

One side of my family is Swiss-German. They came over in the Great German migration after the (18)’48. And settled along the Missouri-Kansas line. In many ways the Civil War in that area was an ethnic war of the earlier English settlers (who mostly came from the South) versus the newly arrived ethnic Germans. And in these kinds of brutal, crude, backwoods fracas, numbers mattered. And there were a lot more German ethnics.

The other side came from Eastern Europe.

One part came from a small market town in the Ukraine. When those who could left, (just before World War 1) there were about 8000 Jews in the town’s 10,000 people. By 1945, there were reportedly 12 Jews left in town. At least 4 members of my immediate family are in the mounds at the forest behind the town. Along with 6000 others. We don’t know where the others are buried.

Another part fled from Moldava to Odessa in 1905 after the Kishinev Pogrom. When the pogrom made it to Odessa, and my grandmother saw Cossacks pulling people off the trams and murdering them because they looked Jewish, the family moved to New York. (Apparently my grandmother didn’t look Jewish to street thugs.)

No direct relationship between family and song. Just the general experience. (Added this clarifying sentence in the edit.)

Kinderjohren - Bente Kahan

Kinderjohren yiddish song from Cracow

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:47:45pm

re: #328 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The problem here is there is no Constitutional remedy for voiding such appointments other than impeachment.

That would be a lot of impeachments.

I’m not sure how to handle that.

Unless we discover proof that the Russians actually changed votes, there is no way to purge the judiciary of all the appointments. As you say, impeachment would be required. Kavanaugh might have enough in his background for a successful impeachment — mainly perjury during his confirmation hearings but that wouldn’t lead to a successful removal, unless an investigation of his financial irregularities might persuade him to resign.

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:48:42pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Moreover Christie happily was helping Trump when Christie went after Rubio. His criticism of Rubio had merit obviously but he was happily kneecapping Rubio to benefit Trump.

LOL, forgot about that.

One thing I really, really hate about Christie is how he plays up that fucking Jersey stereotype that everyone here has no filter and is a loud mouthed jerk.

The rest of the country fucking hates us with a passion, and this guy purposely made that his shtick. So, yeah, not a fan.

That was a minor laugh of the 2016 GOP POTUS run for me, though. You could tell Christie had all of his eggs in the Abrasive East Coast Guy Who Tells It Like It Is basket, and then Trump out-crazied him.

I will give Christie this one thing, which actually Hecuba’s Daughter touched on: he didn’t go Full Metal Racist like Trump. He appointed a Muslim prosecutor or judge or something in his first term, and then defended the person when (in a shocking turn of events) conservatives/Republicans started reaching for their burning crosses.

See? I can be fair and balanced, too.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:50:04pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

You’re giving Pence way too much credit as a campaigner. Trump is a terrible political leader but he knows how to inspire a cult like following. Pence? He was about to lose reelection as governor in a very Republican state because the gist of his agenda is being afraid of cooties and he can’t do Trumps fake bravado.

Plus he’s irrevocably tied to Paul Manafort. Even if Manafort’s selection of Pence was entirely innocent (LOL), that will be used against him by the Democratic nominee.

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:51:20pm

re: #333 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Plus he’s irrevocably tied to Paul Manafort. Even if Manafort’s selection of Pence was entirely innocent (LOL), that will be used against him by the Democratic nominee.

LOL, I’m forgetting all sorts of things tonight. I turn 53 in about two weeks. Catching up with me big time.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:52:00pm

re: #330 ckkatz

Pretty good guess!

I will need to check out Robert Evans.

One side of my family is Swiss-German. They came over in the Great German migration after the (18)’48. And settled along the Missouri-Kansas line. In many ways the Civil War in that area was an ethnic war of the earlier English settlers (who mostly came from the South) versus the newly arrived ethnic Germans. And in these kinds of brutal, crude, backwoods fracas, numbers mattered. And there were a lot more German ethnics.

The other side came from Eastern Europe.

One part came from a small market town in the Ukraine. When those who could left, (just before World War 1) there were about 8000 Jews in the town’s 10,000 people. By 1945, there were reportedly 12 Jews left in town. At least 4 members of my immediate family are in the mounds at the forest behind the town. Along with 6000 others. We don’t know where the others are buried.

Another part fled from Moldava to Odessa in 1905 after the Kishinev Pogrom. When the pogrom made it to Odessa, and my grandmother saw Cossacks pulling people off the trams and murdering them because they looked Jewish, the family moved to New York. (Apparently my grandmother didn’t look Jewish to street thugs.)

Kinderjohren - Bente Kahan

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I wrote about Kishinev in college. My big history paper (I was a history major) was on the pogroms in Russia from the assassination of Alexander II to the start of WWI. Terrible terrible stuff. My family background on my moms side was impacted by the war too. Her mom’s father’s home village was nearly destroyed in Slovakia and her dad’s cousins were partisans in Slovenia. I really feel knowing my family’s experiences impacts my views. My dads family is German Irish. German side weren’t really impacted by the wars of the 19th century but the Irish especially my family in Western Ireland was. I understand why people are proud of their countries and cultures but I despise nationalism as we saw it in the 30’s and now.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:52:58pm

re: #334 Mattand

LOL, I’m forgetting all sorts of things tonight. I turn 53 in about two weeks. Catching up with me big time.

Nah this has been a long 2 2/3 years.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:56:07pm

Night all. Hike tomorrow and then Oktoberfest in a nearby town.

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 9:58:40pm

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Nah this has been a long 2 2/3 years.

Seriously. I was keeping up pretty steady with Maddow and Cesca on podcast right up until Barr “summarized” the Muller report. I was burned out, quite frankly.

This time, it’s starting to feel different. At least, that’s what I tell myself. Bob Cesca drives me nuts with that “Trump always makes thing worse for Trump” mantra. To be blunt, it was bullshit because the GOP kept protecting from everything in order to maintain power.

At least until this week, anyway.

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:00:48pm

re: #334 Mattand

LOL, I’m forgetting all sorts of things tonight. I turn 53 in about two weeks. Catching up with me big time.

Anything associated with The Mango Metamussolini at this point is toxic. Pence is dead meat, politically. He should join his brother Greg back in Indiana trying to run convenience stores. (Oops, did they go bankrupt? Yes they did, and cost Indiana taxpayers $20 million to clean up the gasoline leaks because he didn’t upgrade his tank systems with required leak detection systems.)

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Chrysicat  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:03:24pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:03:45pm

re: #339 austin_blue

Funny how hard core conservative never ever EVER think of long term consequences of their actions. They’re incapable of thinking of anything beyond their own self interest.

35% of the voting public in the United States are fucking sociopaths.

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Belafon  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:04:53pm

re: #239 marcusgorillius

Trumps done. I only hope that the Dems can take Pence, Barr and McConnell down also. The Republican Party is rotten to the core. Do not forget about the people that enabled him. Everyone of these fuckers should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

Trump can be taken care of by the Democrats. Pence and Barr will be taken out by the GOP losing the next election. And everything else about the GOP will have to be taken care of by voters. Ultimately, all of this is our responsibility.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:05:45pm

re: #341 teleskiguy

35% of the voting public in the United States are fucking sociopaths.

And I’ll bet a large portion of that 35% are descendants of slave owners.

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:08:41pm

None of the revalations on the DRumpf Oval Office Meeting with the Russian Ambassador and the Russian Foreign Secretary have been posted up on CNN yet.

Granted, it’s 1:06 in Atlanta, right now, but still. I thought it was a 24-hour news cycle.

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ckkatz  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:12:11pm

re: #319 Dave In Austin

Getting in late here. Can I get a quick rundown on the Shingle Vaccine convo?? I’m 65 and had 1 a few years ago. What what?

Shingles is a late in life occurrence of the Herpes Zoster (aka chickenpox) virus. It has very different symptoms and effects than chickenpox. It can affect your health for several months and cause nerve damage. And, unlike chicken pox, you can get it multiple times.

I would highly recommend the following:

1. Familiarize oneself on the symptoms and if you recognize them, get thee to a doctor. There are some treatments that may help.

2. Get the shingles vaccinations. The older one is Zostavax. The newer one is the two shot series Shingrix. Neither is anywhere near 100% effective. But they are definitely worth getting. Shingles is a miserable experience.

cdc.gov
mayoclinic.org

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:14:50pm

re: #341 teleskiguy

Funny how hard core conservative never ever EVER think of long term consequences of their actions. They’re incapable of thinking of anything beyond their own self interest.

35% of the voting public in the United States are fucking sociopaths.

True fact. Let’s see how the most recent revelations move the needle. I know how it’s going to play out in suburbia. They will recoil at this. And their Reps and Senators up for re-election this cycle are screaming for their brown pants and a bar of soap.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:15:28pm

YouTube

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Belafon  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:15:55pm

re: #307 Hecuba’s daughter

If Christie were VP, Trump might not have engaged in the worst offenses. If Christie were the one to replace him, we wouldn’t have an ideologue or theocrat. Christie might be a bully but he knows issues and appears to believe in climate change.

Everyone who works for Trump ends up doing what Trump wants.

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Belafon  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:20:50pm

re: #273 jaunte

Some of us knew this and a lot of the other stuff we are hidden. I’m beginning to think that this direct manipulation of Ukraine is going to make people more receptive to the other stuff we’ve all witnessed about Trump, which is going to make the drive to impeach move even faster.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:23:51pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Warren got my primary vote tonight though. She articulated imo perfectly why Trump needs to go.

I’m strongly leaning toward Warren now.

I still haven’t settled entirely … I can be convinced of Harris as well.

I could see a ticket where they both run together.

I could also see a White House where a President Warren appoints Sen. Harris as Attorney General, or a President Harris appointing Sen. Warren as Treasury Secretary or Labor Secretary.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:25:50pm

They’re born premature, but leftyjennyc’s boys are in good hands. Give any karma (thoughts and prayers) that you can.

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ckkatz  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:26:17pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

I wrote about Kishinev in college. My big history paper (I was a history major) was on the pogroms in Russia from the assassination of Alexander II to the start of WWI. Terrible terrible stuff. My family background on my moms side was impacted by the war too. Her mom’s father’s home village was nearly destroyed in Slovakia and her dad’s cousins were partisans in Slovenia. I really feel knowing my family’s experiences impacts my views. My dads family is German Irish. German side weren’t really impacted by the wars of the 19th century but the Irish especially my family in Western Ireland was. I understand why people are proud of their countries and cultures but I despise nationalism as we saw it in the 30’s and now.

Interesting!

Sounds like your family has many interesting stories and insights.

Yes, Eastern Europe was ravaged by World War 1. Then by the dissolution of the four great empires (Germany, Russia, Austro-Hungary and Ottomans) after the war. It never really recovered from the Great Depression. Then it was ravaged by World War 2 and basically frozen for two generations in the Soviet occupation.

Basically, the countries in Eastern Europe are still working out the problems from World War 1 of going from a multi-ethnic empire to an ethnically based state.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:27:27pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:30:53pm

re: #318 teleskiguy

I know.

How do you change the text on buttons like that? Do you have a set of instructions for the non-computer literate?

I have the code Mr. Johnson provided to spin comments here, but all I have to do with that is copypasta it from my text files.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:35:23pm

Following a long Kremlin tradition of covert support for subversive groups to undermine Western Democracies.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:35:46pm

re: #354 Anymouse 🌹🎃

How do you change the text on buttons like that? Do you have a set of instructions for the non-computer literate?

I have the code Mr. Johnson provided to spin comments here, but all I have to do with that is copypasta it from my text files.

It’s hard to explain, I guess. Basically, you click REPLY on the comment and you eliminate some things and add others. You eliminate and add in between these things < >

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:37:04pm

re: #353 Dread Pirate

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These fucking people. Accountability and transparency to them is like sunlight to a vampire.

Maybe there’s a reason the US AG would make a secret trip overseas, but goddamn if I can’t think of a legitimate one right now.

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Mattand  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:38:18pm

re: #341 teleskiguy

35% of the voting public in the United States are fucking sociopaths.

Stealing this. Will attribute. Soooooo accurate.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:38:38pm

re: #324 Dave In Austin

Did you know that all RR spikes are technically the property of the Railroad? I believe there are some obscure laws regarding this. It’s alway a topic of conversation on the blacksmith forums. Spikes are a plentiful source of cheap workable Iron.

I wouldn’t think an “obscure” law applied. If a railroad company bought the spikes, they own the spikes. The law that would apply is theft.

When UP replaced a bunch of cement railroad ties in 2017 here, they left a bunch of the old ties piled up by their siding.

At the same time, the civil engineer my village employs mentioned we needed to shore up the Beerline Canal on the south side of town and noted that the railroad ties would serve that purpose.

Our board contacted UP’s property managers, and the company gave us permission to use the cement ties we needed to shore up the canal.

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:38:44pm

re: #357 Mattand

These fucking people. Accountability and transparency to them is like sunlight to a vampire.

Maybe there’s a reason the US AG would make a secret trip overseas, but goddamn if I can’t think of a legitimate one right now.

Lord knows I’d need to go get drunk in Italy right now if I was him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:39:10pm

re: #357 Mattand

These fucking people. Accountability and transparency to them is like sunlight to a vampire.

Maybe there’s a reason the US AG would make a secret trip overseas, but goddamn if I can’t think of a legitimate one right now.

Oh Criswell Bacon has a sneakin’ suspicion that Billyboy was meeting with his Russian handlers…

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:39:22pm

Damn. Metallica cancelled a whole tour in Australia and New Zealand so James Hetfield can go into rehab.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:51:37pm

re: #359 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’m not sure how the law is stated of applied. I just know it’s there.

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mmmirele  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:52:47pm

re: #351 teleskiguy

They’re born premature, but leftyjennyc’s boys are in good hands. Give any karma (thoughts and prayers) that you can.

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Preeclampsia and HELLP are nothing to fuck with. My mother ended up in the 1960 version of the ICU after delivering me due to preeclampsia. I wasn’t quite fully baked, but big enough at 5 lbs, 12 oz.

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:55:26pm

Night all. Best infrastructure week evah!

This may not be the beginning of the end, but it’s the end of the beginning. DRumpf is now meat on the grill, getting seared by flames of his own devising.

The code-word secret server where his phone calls have been deposited is the ultimate irony after his screaming bloody murder all these years about Hillary’s e-mails.

It’s really sweet to see him squirm. I suspect that there will be no stopping the additional info that will be released this weekend. The gates are open, the river is in full flood, and the center cannot hold.

I am a happy human tonight.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:57:24pm

re: #364 mmmirele

Jennifer’s babes were born at just over five pounds.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:57:47pm

Arg….. Woof!

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 10:59:17pm

I was born eight pounds two ounces at 6,500 ft., two weeks after my mother’s due date. My mom was 35 years old. I’ve always been kind of weird.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2019 • 11:02:27pm
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NoSoapForYou  Sep 27, 2019 • 11:04:09pm

re: #43 b.d.

WWG1WGWTF!!

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 11:20:50pm

re: #368 teleskiguy

My mother had three kids. She was 24 for the first one (my ‘half sister’), 35 for the next (me), and 38 for her last (my youngest sister). All vaginal births. Kind of blows my mind.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2019 • 11:25:08pm

re: #371 teleskiguy

That’s my mother on her feet in the early 50s. My mom showed this to me last month and I was just… ‘holy shit’ was all that went through my mind.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 27, 2019 • 11:27:57pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2019 • 11:30:31pm

Apparently Sean Davis at the Federalist wrote up a conspiracy theory asserting that the IC IG whistleblower form was revised recently to allow for secondhand information, when previously it hadn’t been allowed. He’s trying to cast the complaint as part of a larger a nefarious deep state plot involving the IGs office itself. This thread offers a good explainer on why Sean is full of shit.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 27, 2019 • 11:31:36pm

re: #363 Dave In Austin

I’m not sure how the law is stated of applied. I just know it’s there.

State laws cover theft of railroad property, and trespassing on railroad property (so two crimes are actually committed in stealing railroad spikes).

Federal law only applies to railroad spikes regarding sabotage of a railroad (which is covered under terrorism statutes).

Simple possession of a railroad spike does not indicate how a person obtained the spike (legally or otherwise).

State laws also apply to scrap metal dealers concerning certain types of metals which might have been stolen, such as road signs, railroad spikes or rails, &c. Those laws require the dealer to reject the offered object unless the owner can show they legally own it (such as a bill-of-sale).

There was a case some years ago where a pair stole over five hundred railroad spikes from an active Norfolk & Southern railroad line in 2010.

Pair charged with stealing 500 railroad spikes in Henderson County (goes to the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen. reporting on the incident)

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2019 • 11:45:26pm

LOLOLOLOL!!! Some Republican asshole thought they were being super goddamned clever, so Weintraub just bypassed her by tweeting out the whole fuckin’ thing in a massive thread and making sure it got even more exposure.

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Dread Pirate  Sep 27, 2019 • 11:51:12pm
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CarolJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 12:05:00am

re: #360 austin_blue

Bannon has a monastery in Italy that he was prepping as an academy. Maybe’s he’s gone there to hide out for a few days and drink the Italian version of two buck chuck, eat local pasta, and figure out how he’s going to pay for his defense. Hope he chokes.

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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2019 • 12:23:32am

I’m used to bombardments of bad craziness on the interspace regarding Fuckface Von Clownstick. Shit’s been overload lately. It’s almost too weird for me.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 12:28:45am

Another corporate data breach, sent to me …

Dear Valued Customer,

We are writing to notify you of a data security incident involving your personal information. This email explains what happened and provides information about what you can do in response. We are taking this matter very seriously and sincerely regret any concern it may cause you.

What Happened

CafePress recently discovered that an unidentified third party obtained customer information, without authorization, that was contained in a CafePress database. Based on our investigation to date, this may have occurred on or about February 19, 2019.

What Information Was Involved

The information may have included your name, email address, the password to your customer CafePress account, and other information.

What We Are Doing

We have been diligently investigating this incident with the assistance of outside experts. We also have contacted and are cooperating with federal law enforcement authorities. In addition, we have taken various steps to further enhance the security of our systems and your information, and the affected database has been moved to a different environment.

What You Can Do

As described in the “Additional Resources” section below, we recommend you remain vigilant and take steps to protect against identity theft or fraud, including monitoring your accounts and free credit reports for signs of suspicious activity.

We also recommend that you visit the CafePress website at cafepress.com and log in to any online account you may have, which should prompt you to change your account password, if you have not done so recently. In general, you should always ensure that you are not using the same password across multiple accounts, and that you are using strong passwords that are not easy to guess.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 12:46:00am

TFlower Ransomware Campaign (Goes to the Canadian Centre for Cyber Security Website of the Canadian Government)

The initial infection vector for this malware appears to be through Remote Desktop services, and other infection vectors may include email spam and malicious attachments, deceptive downloads, botnets, malicious ads, web injects, fake updates and repackaged and infected installers. Once a malicious actor infects a system, they may attempt to move laterally across the network through tools such as PowerShell Empire, PSExec, etc.

The malware will initially contact a Command and Control(C2) server to indicate its readiness to encrypt the contents on the target system. It will then delete shadow copies and disable recovery features in Windows 10 and create persistence by adding a key in the logged in user’s software registry hive. It will encrypt files and mark them by inserting the string “*tflower” at the beginning of the file but will not change the filename.

Finally the malware will update the C2 server and leave a ransom note named “!_Notice_!.txt” placed throughout the computer and on the Windows Desktop.

The Cyber Centre recommends that all system owners apply the latest security patches immediately, and that system users are reminded to be vigilant when following unsolicited links and opening unexpected document attachments in emails, even if they come from known contacts.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 1:03:44am

Jim Bakker (who has said in the past thinks climate change is a liberal hoax), now thinks climate change is real and is God’s judgement on people (especially liberals). Amongst other things, he claims liberals want to arrest people for not “believing” in global warming.

(A lot of people say folks like Jim Bakker are “heretics” to Christian religious belief, but what constitutes a heretic? Is heresy a majority vote?)

Goes to Utah Outcasts, 9:42, caution for coarse language.

Jim Bakker Thinks Climate Change Is a Sign of the End Times

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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2019 • 1:22:18am

FIRE rhymes with DESIRE.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 28, 2019 • 2:25:54am

Youtube embed player is notoriously difficult. It doesn’t keep track very well, if one has played the video in another window/tab.

The start time of that video should be at 2378s.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 2:34:41am

Immigrant children fill this Minnesota town’s schools. Their bus driver is leading the backlash. (Goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald based on reporting from the Washington Post)

A Minnesota town is divided by refugees and immigrants in the town. A school bus driver is leading a campaign against expanding the school to accommodate them. He will not welcome them when they come on the bus, and resents driving through parts of town with large Hispanic populations.

Five times in just over five years, the district has asked residents to approve an expansion of its schools to handle the surge in enrollment. Five times, the voters have refused - the last time by a margin of 17 votes. A sixth referendum is scheduled for November.

The divide can be felt all over Worthington, where “Minnesota nice” has devolved into “Yes” and “No” window signs, boycotts on businesses and next-door neighbors who no longer speak. A Catholic priest who praised immigrants was booed from the pews and has received death threats.

The driving force behind the defeats has been a handful of white farmers in this Trump-supporting county, including Brink, the bus driver.

(more)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 28, 2019 • 2:38:53am

re: #386 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Who could have thought that bigotry would show up in ultra-white (outside the Twin Cities) Minnesota?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 2:55:10am

re: #387 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Who could have thought that bigotry would show up in ultra-white (outside the Twin Cities) Minnesota?

I don’t know where Worthington, Minn. is, but I’ll bet they are folks who sent Michele Bachmann (R-Lunatic) to Congress.

The death threat to the Catholic priest in his own church was a nice touch.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 28, 2019 • 2:57:38am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 2:57:42am

re: #387 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The article notes the “no” campaign is being led by a conservative consultant the group hired who specialises in leading public school bond rejection campaigns throughout the Midwest.

The article also notes the bus driver (also a farmer) sends his children to a private Christian school to avoid immigrants.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 28, 2019 • 3:48:36am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 3:49:38am

Elisa Medhus (who runs the blog and grifting enterprise “Channeling Eric” claiming she has long talks with her son who died when he was twenty at his own hand) is now claiming in a forty-four minute video on YouTube she had an “afterlife interview with Donna Summer.”

According to her Website, if you fork over the bucks you can hear her speak of God, Heaven, Eric, and Donna Summer at her home in a special talk in October.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2019 • 3:52:50am

re: #6 EPR-radar

I think part of what’s going on here is that the intelligence Soros-funded, Obama-led Deep State community has decided that Trump is bad for The Mission.

Just put the “proper” spin on it for ya…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2019 • 3:55:47am

re: #82 jaunte

This is a good weekend for Trump to release his taxes.

Is Deutsche Bank not going to release some of them as part of an investigation?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2019 • 3:57:35am

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It certainly is. Trump’s removal is paramount, of course, but (to paraphrase Churchill) it should not be seen as the end, or even the beginning of the end, but the end of the beginning. The bone deep corruption of conservative America needs to be exposed and cleansed.

We will need at least a decade for each year of a Trump presidency to clean up the damage. And if he gets re-elected, then we can count the damage being permanent.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2019 • 3:58:58am

re: #128 b.d.

AG William Barr says he’s not concerned about his reputation because ‘everyone dies’

Only people who work for Trump are those who put short-term advantages over long-term reputation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2019 • 4:02:01am

re: #235 jaunte

I remember [Waist Deep in Big Muddy] being used as a metaphor for Vietnam.

or this one from the Fugs

The Fugs - Wide Wide River

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2019 • 4:03:52am

re: #264 Mattand

I’m beginning to think I have it. I’ve had this rash for a month that goes away when I take steroids and then comes back when the course is done. I’m not in any pain, but I’m in the prime territory for it (age, medical history, etc.)

I had a bad bout of it last summer and it came back again in milder form this year

and yeah, I felt like shit (on a shingle)

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Sep 28, 2019 • 4:04:32am

re: #391 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I didn’t know that there was a morbid and depressing C&H drawing faction our there. I am not a better person for knowing. I will put the knowledge in a box and apply some C4 therapy. That cartoon is just wrong.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2019 • 4:05:37am

re: #307 Hecuba’s daughter

If Christie were VP, Trump might not have engaged in the worst offenses. If Christie were the one to replace him, we wouldn’t have an ideologue or theocrat. Christie might be a bully but he knows issues and appears to believe in climate change.

I had to begrudgingly admire the fellow for working with Obama on Sandy relief without any sign of partisanship and for defending a Muslim judge he had appointed against Islamophobe critics.

but only that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 4:10:52am

re: #367 Dave In Austin

Arg….. Woof!

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One of my more distant cousins posted that thinking it made Honan look good. And Tom, she’s a taxpayer too dipshit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 4:16:26am

re: #389 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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I am so sick of this stupid mindset. It’s an “I’m above it all” attitude but it’s more revealing that the person saying it is full of crap.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 4:18:15am

So though, what you’re going to see and hear today from wingnut media, friends, family, and Monday at work coworkers is the Davis CT that Frank is talking about.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Sep 28, 2019 • 4:33:52am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

One of my more distant cousins posted that thinking it made Honan look good. And Tom, she’s a taxpayer too dipshit.

That’s a major problem with that idea. Just because you’re a taxpayer, it doesn’t give you the right to be an asshole to a public servant.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 4:38:51am

re: #404 Colère Tueur de Lapin

That’s a major problem with that idea. Just because you’re a taxpayer, it doesn’t give you the right to be an asshole to a public servant.

Exactly. Sigh. I’m glad I’ve connected with them through my family history research but it’s sad to me knowing our family story and sharing it with people who have repulsive views. I’m just glad both my immediate family and my close family (who I’ve known my entire life) are sane.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 4:51:26am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

Exactly. Sigh. I’m glad I’ve connected with them through my family history research but it’s sad to me knowing our family story and sharing it with people who have repulsive views. I’m just glad both my immediate family and my close family (who I’ve known my entire life) are sane.

My immediate family (my mother and sister) are sane. The rest of my family not so much. (My son and I have little contact due to my ex-wife spending so much time filling his head with me being possessed by the devil because of epilepsy and atheism, deadbeat because I was homeless, &c).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 4:55:38am

re: #406 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My immediate family (my mother and sister) are sane. The rest of my family not so much. (My son and I have little contact due to my ex-wife spending so much time filling his head with me being possessed by the devil because of epilepsy and atheism, deadbeat because I was homeless, &c).

That’s worse. JFC. I’m so sorry.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 28, 2019 • 4:57:02am

This may be an easier way to see the whole 57 tweet thread

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:03:31am

re: #408 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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This is a swamp and the swamp monsters are the Trump administration and their Congressional GOP enablers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:05:45am
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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:08:31am

re: #274 teleskiguy

My husband, the engineer, said this railroad story isn’t true and it’s been around so long that it was a case study (of wrongness) in one of his engineering classes 30 years ago.

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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:12:20am

re: #285 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I saw it coming. The second Trump became a liability, McConnell would defenestrate him. Then he gets to campaign in Kentucky on “I waited until I had all the information because I didn’t want to act rashly.”

As much whiplash and HOLY SHIT MAKE IT STOP yesterday was, I want another day just like it… And then another. I want there to be no way any Republican can support him. None.

Because some will and they’re gonna be fucked.

Bring on the crazy!

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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:14:10am

re: #292 Jay C

Yeah, but would we really want Big Chris as VP? One thing, though: with Christie waiting in the wings, he would probably have an orange jumpsuit tailored for Trump already on order. With a set of matching “bracelets” to go with….

The bridge dude. My mind cannot wrap itself around that one.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:16:05am

re: #413 MsJ

The bridge dude. My mind cannot wrap itself around that one.

So petty and spiteful. Christie is awful.

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:17:00am

re: #412 MsJ

As much whiplash and HOLY SHIT MAKE IT STOP yesterday was, I want another day just like it… And then another. I want there to be no way any Republican can support him. None.

Because some will and they’re gonna be fucked.

Bring on the crazy!

Yeah. More revelations, plz.

I also want to see polling numbers after last night. Those ‘impeach the son of a bitch’ numbers must be through the roof right now.

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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:23:21am

re: #299 ckkatz

Sort of like I think Sarah Kendzior will be in a few decades. (And I think that Dr Kendzior adds a lot of value to the current discussions.)

I’ve lost most all respect for Kendzior after she went off the rails calling Pelosi a Russian agent for not impeaching trump sooner.

I get the frustration. We all do. But that was nuts and, sorry, when you have that kind of public profile (how many followers?) you just can’t do that. Everything she said and will say is now suspect to me. I don’t trust her.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:24:21am

re: #411 MsJ

My husband, the engineer, said this railroad story isn’t true and it’s been around so long that it was a case study (of wrongness) in one of his engineering classes 30 years ago.

The end-point about the boosters on the space shuttle launch is false on its face. There is no way in he’ll that literal rocket science would be limited by any transportation issue. The engineers didn’t “want” anything that they didn’t get. A few inches larger in diameter would be a huge delta in propulsion mass and fight dynamics.

But it’s a funny story. The Twitter thread discusses its debunking well.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:24:48am

re: #407 HappyWarrior

That’s worse. JFC. I’m so sorry.

Not necessarily worse, just different.

I imagine no family is full of puppies and kittens.

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jeffreyw  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:25:49am

Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:27:19am

re: #418 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Not necessarily worse, just different.

I imagine no family is full of puppies and kittens.

It is. That’s immediate family that you interacted with on a daily basis. My second cousins being wingnuts sucks but my parents, brothers, close cousins, & aunts/uncles aren’t ditto my one surviving grandparent.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:31:40am

re: #416 MsJ

I’ve lost most all respect for Kendzior after she went off the rails calling Pelosi a Russian agent for not impeaching trump sooner.

I get the frustration. We all do. But that was nuts and, sorry, when you have that kind of public profile (how many followers?) you just can’t do that. Everything she said and will say is now suspect to me. I don’t trust her.

I think Dr. Kendzior’s problem with Pelosi is due to her vast experience with autocratic regimes, she may have failed to see what Pelosi was doing, and the fact our system while being far from perfect (whatever that is) is very resilient.

Long before Nancy Pelosi made the announcement this is now an impeachment enquiry the evidence-gathering was already underway.

I think it’s the old saw of when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

She failed to remember the other one: If you go after the king, you’d better not miss. The House Democrats have exactly one chance of laying out a case. They have to get it right the first time.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:34:37am

re: #420 HappyWarrior

It is. That’s immediate family that you interacted with on a daily basis. My second cousins being wingnuts sucks but my parents, brothers, close cousins, & aunts/uncles aren’t ditto my one surviving grandparent.

Growing up the family I interacted with on a daily basis was my mother, my sister, my maternal grandparents, my mother’s brother and his wife (until my grandfather and uncle both died in 1974) and my five first cousins. (My mother, sister, and I lived with my grandparents, my aunt, uncle, and cousins lived a mile walk away.)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:36:02am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:36:23am

re: #416 MsJ

I’ve lost most all respect for Kendzior after she went off the rails calling Pelosi a Russian agent for not impeaching trump sooner.

Yeah, I used to have a serious crush on her…until she started trash-talking Nancy, whom I have no crush on, but whose judgement I have come to respect

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:40:12am
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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:43:41am

re: #358 Mattand

Stealing this. Will attribute. Soooooo accurate.

35% of the voting public in the United States are fucking sociopaths.

I have to disagree. Some are, for sure. But Fox News had radicalized many people. We read about it every day. Fear and loathing sold by a news Network.

Then there’s almost 30 years of Rush Limbaugh.

This is PsyOps the Republicans have been running for decades.

Full circle? Bush Sr. on a hot Mike asking Limbaugh “How’s our man Ailes?”

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:45:59am

re: #425 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The stench of flopsweat is so strong, I can smell it all the way over here in Europe.

He’s gotta be panicking behind closed doors.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:47:22am

re: #426 MsJ

I have to disagree. Some are, for sure. But Fox News had radicalized many people. We read about it every day. Fear and loathing sold by a news Network.

Then there’s almost 30 years of Rush Limbaugh.

This is PsyOps the Republicans have been running for decades.

Full circle? Bush Sr. on a hot Mike asking Limbaugh “How’s our man Ailes?”

I really need to watch that FNC brainwashed my Dad documentary one night. It’s just I like using my free time to escape what’s going on. I’m just relieved that my own Dad wouldn’t fall for that shit. Ditto my Mom. It’s so so sickening what Ailes did. Fucking Murdoch too.

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:49:29am

re: #425 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Do Nothing Democrat Savages

‘Do nothing?’ No, they’re doing something.

Impeaching your fat ass. Enjoy, asshole.

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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:51:18am

re: #378 CarolJ

Bannon has a monastery in Italy that he was prepping as an academy. Maybe’s he’s gone there to hide out for a few days and drink the Italian version of two buck chuck, eat local pasta, and figure out how he’s going to pay for his defense. Hope he chokes.

What? An academy? I need more info on this.

Off to Google.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:57:39am

re: #430 MsJ

What? An academy? I need more info on this.

Off to Google.

Yeah Bannon has wanted to export the alt-right bs to Europe. How ironic. International nationalism.

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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 5:58:20am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

One of my more distant cousins posted that thinking it made Honan look good. And Tom, she’s a taxpayer too dipshit.

And we pay both of them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:02:16am

re: #432 MsJ

And we pay both of them.

Only Homan’s pension now fortunately since he’s been out at ICE since June of last year. But yeah the whole thing was your usual wingnut outrage. I have no idea why that side of the family is so goddamned crazy.

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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:07:35am

re: #430 MsJ

What? An academy? I need more info on this.

Off to Google.

No. Shit.

mobile.reuters.com

Italy’s culture ministry has said it will revoke the lease on a state-owned monastery where a right-wing Roman Catholic institute close to former Trump White House adviser Steve Bannon had planned to train political activists.

In a statement on Friday, the ministry said it would revoke the concession on the mountaintop property outside Rome granted to the Dignitatis Humanae Institute, citing violations of various contractual obligations including a failure to pay concession fees and do maintenance work.

Benjamin Harnwell, director of the institute based in the Trisulti monastery, had told Reuters in September that Bannon was helping to craft the curriculum for a leadership course aimed at right-wing Catholic activists to be held in the 800-year-old monastery.

Bannon, who has launched a campaign to build a populist movement across Europe, has also been raising funds for the institute, Harnwell said.

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:09:45am

re: #425 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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And again, we’re reminded that the driving motivation behind Cheeto Benito’s presidency…is hatred of a black man who once made jokes at his expense.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:13:38am

The Boston Globe calls on Donald Trump to resign. This comes after the Connecticut Post did yesterday.

bostonglobe.com

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DangerMan  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:16:31am

A little amusement amidst it all

“…the whistleblower is not white,” one 4chan commenter asserted Thursday, probably misreading a part of the complaint in which the whistleblower calls himself or herself a “non-White House official.” “see second set of bullet points on page 3. trump only has a handful of non white staff. I wonder who it might be.”

Columbo they are not

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:17:07am

re: #436 Anymouse 🌹🎃

PRESIDENTIAL HARRASSMENT!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:19:52am

re: #435 Targetpractice

And again, we’re reminded that the driving motivation behind Cheeto Benito’s presidency…is hatred of a black man men who once made jokes at his expense.

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sagehen  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:21:03am

re: #254 HappyWarrior

True. I’d settle for Kavanaugh being gone. Gorsuch is bad but he’s not epically awful. Kavanaugh is judicial flavored Trump.

There’s also more than 150 District Court and Appellate Court judges. Many of whom, quite aside from their ideological bent, are also rated unqualified by the ABA.

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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:23:43am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:25:23am

Oh look, Trump supporter Nigel Farage is using the language of violence against public servants, just like Trump:

Police ‘looking into’ Nigel Farage’s ‘take the knife to them’ comments at Newport Brexit Party rally

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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:26:05am

This was my first thought, too. Do you think McConnell thought trump wasn’t that stupid? I mean McConnell isn’t known for stupidity (being an ahole for sure, but stupid?).

Thoughts?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:27:57am

re: #440 sagehen

There’s also more than 150 District Court and Appellate Court judges. Many of whom, quite aside from their ideological bent, are also rated unqualified by the ABA.

which is what I meant when I wrote that it will take decades to undo all the damage

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:29:09am

re: #443 MsJ

This was my first thought, too. Do you think McConnell thought trump wasn’t that stupid? I mean McConnell isn’t known for stupidity (being an ahole for sure, but stupid?).

Thoughts?

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I think it was a calculated gamble on Yertle’s part, that Trump & Co. were being honest about what was in the transcript and so releasing it would not only snuff out talk of impeachment on Ukraine but any talk of impeachment whatsoever.

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William Lewis  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:29:21am

re: #274 teleskiguy

snopes.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:29:31am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:29:33am

Ah. Spitting Image is coming back!

theguardian.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:32:39am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:33:07am

Indy Week (Durham, No. Car.) editor calls for Trump’s resignation.

Forget Impeachment. Trump Needs to Resign.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:33:20am

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DangerMan  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:34:31am
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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:34:39am

I don’t believe any of the Repub leadership was aware of just what was in the transcript, else they wouldn’t have been so eager to release it to the public. The push to release it was built almost entirely out of that overconfidence that has grown since the Russia investigation ground to a halt, the idea that at worst this would be a “looks bad” situation much like the Mueller Report and they could pounce on Pelosi’s “rush to impeachment.”

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steve_davis  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:34:56am

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Very much like the impeachment of Richard Nixon. The majority of the public was against impeachment, until they suddenly weren’t.

Could Senator Graham’s private trip with Donald Trump to his golf course be a replay of Senator Goldwater’s trip to the White House?

only if goldwater’s trip involved making a porno with the prez.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:35:36am

re: #451 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Brings back memories of the Bush or Chimp web page.

F’n Dumbya never looked better!

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dell*nix  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:35:54am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Sergeant at Arms needs to walk in ahead of the chair with a box of shackles and place them in front of the witness table where everybody can see them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:36:02am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:36:17am

re: #454 steve_davis

only if goldwater’s trip involved making a porno with the prez.

Brain bleach. Stat.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:37:50am

re: #455 Joe Bacon 🌹

Brings back memories of the Bush or Chimp web page.

F’n Dumbya never looked better!

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I remember wingnuts using that to “prove” it wasn’t racist to call Obama a monkey. Uh no.

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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:39:48am

re: #450 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Indy Week (Durham, No. Car.) editor calls for Trump’s resignation.

Forget Impeachment. Trump Needs to Resign.

Alex, I’d like “That which will never happen for $200” please.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:42:13am

re: #460 MsJ

Alex, I’d like “That which will never happen for $200” please.

That’s what separates him from Nixon. I don’t think Nixon resigned out of shame but rather genuine recognition that him being removed from office would be awful for the country so he resigned. A writing is on the wall sort of situation. Trump? Trump still thinks he’s popular when he in fact never was.

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:43:28am

Trump probably will never resign, but if it looks like public sentiment is growing in favor of impeachment and possibly removal…yeah, all it takes is the feeling that the bottom is in danger of falling out and Senate Repubs will begin to defect. Right now, it’s simply calling for an investigation in the hopes of dragging things out, but next it will be saying that there needs to be a trial in the Senate. And if polls still run against Trump after that? Yeah, that’s when things will be get interesting.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:45:23am
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steve_davis  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:47:49am

re: #199 MsJ

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to which the mildly pedantic answer would be, “Yes, I always expect less of them. And they always deliver.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:48:38am

It’s hard to imagine that Trump’s ego will ever let him resign.

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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:48:44am

re: #461 HappyWarrior

That’s what separates him from Nixon. I don’t think Nixon resigned out of shame but rather genuine recognition that him being removed from office would be awful for the country so he resigned. A writing is on the wall sort of situation. Trump? Trump still thinks he’s popular when he in fact never was.

Or, alternately, resigning let him options for the remainder of his life. Official impeachment is not a good look. Resignation allowed him dignity (not deserved, IMHO, but there ya go).

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:48:47am

re: #464 steve_davis

to which the mildly pedantic answer would be, “Yes, I always expect less of them. And they always deliver.”

I keep setting the bar lower and they keep finding a way to limbo under it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:49:41am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:49:59am

My regional newspaper is right back to fear-mongering in the op-ed page this morning. I think I need to fire up the liberal letter to the editor pen later today and rebut this.

Betsy McCaughey: Dems Will Make Homelessness Worse (goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald, more at the link)

If Democrats capture the White House in 2020, your own neighborhood is likely to look like the disease-ridden tent slums taking over Los Angeles and San Francisco.

Presidential hopeful Elizabeth Warren insists it’s wrong to ban living on the streets and in public parks. Bernie Sanders is calling for a 3% cap on annual rent hikes, the kind of poisonous rent control law that deters new housing construction and worsens homelessness.

As for Joe Biden, expect him to stick by the Obama administration’s policy that living on the street is a civil right. Never mind the harm that street dwellers inflict on the public’s health and safety — or the suffering they endure themselves.

She goes on about Los Angeles and used needles, a potential typhus outbreak, and all of this is caused by excessive laws and regulations.

She doesn’t go as far as saying the homeless should be rounded up in concentration camps, but she says Trump is right about the homeless problem in LA.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:50:14am

re: #466 MsJ

Or, alternately, resigning let him options for the remainder of his life. Official impeachment is not a good look. Resignation allowed him dignity (not deserved, IMHO, but there ya go).

True. I guess my point is Nixon wasn’t just thinking about only himself. A miserable asshole. If Trump has a historical counterpart, I think the closest to him is Andrew Johnson.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:50:57am

re: #468 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Texas going purple would be disastrous for the GOP and I think it could happen next fall.

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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:51:14am

re: #461 HappyWarrior

That’s what separates him from Nixon. I don’t think Nixon resigned out of shame but rather genuine recognition that him being removed from office would be awful for the country so he resigned. A writing is on the wall sort of situation. Trump? Trump still thinks he’s popular when he in fact never was.

Nixon was incapable of shame. I don’t think Nixon resigned out of shame but rather genuine recognition that him being removed from office would be awful for the country himself, so he resigned. (I recently read Jaworski’s The Right and the Power.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:51:34am

re: #463 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The more transcripts they lock up, the more US diplomats are operating blindfolded. They don’t know what their own president is saying to foreign counterparts, but the foreign counterparts do!@StateDept

And this is the point again: DT has no concept on how a President presides. Not as a CEO laying down the Law but as a Chief Executive delegating and conferring, and even occasionally deferring.

Hell, Trump won’t even let anyone check his Tweets for him.

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:51:43am

re: #465 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s hard to imagine that Trump’s ego will ever let him resign.

It’s not his ego so much as his rat-bastard cunning, which has to know that the only thing protecting him from lawsuits and criminal charges is the fact that he’s protected by the legal precedent stating a sitting president cannot be indicted. And if SCOTUS hadn’t ruled against protecting persons acquitted of federal crimes from state crimes, he might have been willing to resign. But they didn’t, so even if he got a guarantee for a pardon from his federal crimes, he has to know that NY and NYC would charge his ass the moment he left the White House gates.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:52:01am

re: #469 Anymouse 🌹🎃

If Democrats capture the White House in 2020, your own neighborhood is likely to look like the disease-ridden tent slums taking over Los Angeles and San Francisco.

And or course those images are not what the hate-right keeps portraying them to be.

And yes, there are homeless people here. Why? Because they won’t freeze to death in winter, unlike back in Nebraska.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:52:08am

re: #469 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My regional newspaper is right back to fear-mongering in the op-ed page this morning. I think I need to fire up the liberal letter to the editor pen later today and rebut this.

Betsy McCaughey: Dems Will Make Homelessness Worse (goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald, more at the link)

She goes on about Los Angeles and used needles, a potential typhus outbreak, and all of this is caused by excessive laws and regulations.

She doesn’t go as far as saying the homeless should be rounded up in concentration camps, but she says Trump is right about the homeless problem in LA.

What the fuck have Republicans done for homelessness other than just post stupid memes about how we didn’t help homeless vets in the Obama years but did refugees and undocumented immigrants.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:52:18am
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Belafon  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:52:47am

re: #373 Dread Pirate

re: #374 goddamnedfrank

The common thing both of the people miss is that instances of complain are to be investigated, and the Trump administration has done everything it can to prevent those investigations.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:52:51am

re: #472 wrenchwench

Nixon was incapable of shame. I don’t think Nixon resigned out of shame but rather genuine recognition that him being removed from office would be awful for the country himself, so he resigned. I recently read Jaworski’s The Right and the Power.)

Fair enough. Either way, I still think Trump is more Andy Johnson than Dickie Nixon.

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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:52:57am

re: #470 HappyWarrior

True. I guess my point is Nixon wasn’t just thinking about only himself. A miserable asshole. If Trump has a historical counterpart, I think the closest to him is Andrew Johnson.

I disagree. But that’s ok. 🙂

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:53:56am

re: #477 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

See Lindsay, in law, there’s something called the Hearsay exemption. Oh and your golf buddy fucking admitted it. It’s going to be good seeing the Strom Thurmond seat held by an African American while you’re miserable and Strom scowls from hell.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:54:46am

re: #480 MsJ

I disagree. But that’s ok. 🙂

Yeah, if we disagreed about Trump needing to go, that would not be haha. Trump really is one of the worst people I have ever seen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:55:17am

re: #477 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

In America you can’t even get a parking ticket based on hearsay testimony.

But you can impeach a president?

I certainly hope not.

He knows better, but has to stick to the Talking Points and the GOP narrative thread.

There is more than sufficient evidence to open an investigation, which is what Impeachment is.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:57:27am

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:57:36am

The two RW talking points to me seem to be HEARSAY and the debunked bs that the whisteblower law was recently changed. Watch out for both of those in social media or in interactions with wingnut family, friends, neighbors, coworkers, etc.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 6:59:27am

re: #475 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

And or course those images are not what the hate-right keeps portraying them to be.

And yes, there are homeless people here. Why? Because they won’t freeze to death in winter, unlike back in Nebraska.

Yup. You can see that on the map of homeless statistics from the US Interagency Council on Homelessness.

usich.gov (map by state. click on a state to get a breakdown of statistics. Mostly the states with the highest percentage of homelessness are the ones which don’t freeze.)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:02:04am

re: #485 HappyWarrior

The two RW talking points to me seem to be HEARSAY and the debunked bs that the whisteblower law was recently changed. Watch out for both of those in social media or in interactions with wingnut family, friends, neighbors, coworkers, etc.

a) Hearsay? Well then, by all means lets clear that up by questioning the principals under oath. You want to get to the truth, don’t you?

b) Who lied to you about the whistleblower law?

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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:06:10am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:07:19am

re: #485 HappyWarrior

The two RW talking points to me seem to be HEARSAY and the debunked bs that the whisteblower law was recently changed. Watch out for both of those in social media or in interactions with wingnut family, friends, neighbors, coworkers, etc.

RWNJs have always been stupid and deceitful about confusing trial and investigative standards. “Hearsay” is usually inadmissable in trial testimony but a perfectly valid basis for initiating an investigation. Similarly, I routinely see wingnuts whinge about presumption of innocence being violated when a GOP fatcat or pedophile preacher is arrested, as though conviction in a court of law is necessary BEFORE the defendant is arrested.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:11:39am

re: #475 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I misread the map colours. They represent absolute numbers of homeless people, not percentages.

California: 40,000,000 people of which 129,972 are homeless: 0.32%
Nebraska: 1,900,000 people of which 2,421 are homeless: 0.12%

The percentages don’t differ that much. I’m not going to work that out for every state.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:12:35am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:12:51am

re: #443 MsJ

This was my first thought, too. Do you think McConnell thought trump wasn’t that stupid? I mean McConnell isn’t known for stupidity (being an ahole for sure, but stupid?).

Thoughts?

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There are only two possibilities:
1. McConnell finally decided Trump was harming the prospects of GOP domination and thought the release of the memo would lead to his early departure from the WH.
2. McConnell is not the brilliant tactician that we all thought; if he were, he would never have taken Trump’s word about the phone call and would have insisted on reading the document first. If he actually saw the document and still thought it was good to release it — well, then he is either a moron or see #1.

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sagehen  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:13:25am

re: #447 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that this Mississippi town’s argument is THE EXACT SAME WORDS that were the basis for the Dred Scott ruling. (“no rights that we are bound to respect”)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:21:44am

Thread

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:21:55am

re: #382 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Jim Bakker (who has said in the past thinks climate change is a liberal hoax), now thinks climate change is real and is God’s judgement on people (especially liberals). Amongst other things, he claims liberals want to arrest people for not “believing” in global warming.

(A lot of people say folks like Jim Bakker are “heretics” to Christian religious belief, but what constitutes a heretic? Is heresy a majority vote?)

Goes to Utah Outcasts, 9:42, caution for coarse language.

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That’s the criteria for a traitor.

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MsJ  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:22:33am

re: #494 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Thread

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Except it’s not true. See up thread ☝️

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:28:04am

re: #489 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

RWNJs have always been stupid and deceitful about confusing trial and investigative standards. “Hearsay” is usually inadmissable in trial testimony but a perfectly valid basis for initiating an investigation. Similarly, I routinely see wingnuts whinge about presumption of innocence being violated when a GOP fatcat or pedophile preacher is arrested, as though conviction in a court of law is necessary BEFORE the defendant is arrested.

Exactly. They’re saying Pelosi has no evidence. She’s got plenty for a trial. People have been tried with less evidence.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:28:42am

re: #391 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That should win a Hemingway award for most gut punch in the smallest space.

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DangerMan  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:29:23am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:30:58am

re: #499 DangerMan

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It’s both the crime and cover up here. It’s everything.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:31:37am

re: #492 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s #2. Mcconnell was naive enough to think that Trump WOULDN’T throw him or any other staunch loyalists under the bus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:32:19am
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:32:26am

re: #455 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:34:37am

re: #497 HappyWarrior

Exactly. They’re saying Pelosi has no evidence. She’s got plenty for a trial. People have been tried with less evidence.

Back to my old stand-by: Conservatism is a religion.

Any fact which does not comport with a religion must be disregarded to protect the religion.

Their faith tells them their religious leaders (Republican politicians) are preaching the truth. Therefore the 27% crasification factor which is hard-core conservative religious believers will never accept the facts. (Nixon had supporters who were convinced he was railroaded after he resigned.)

They are lost: no one can reason someone out of a religion they reasoned themselves into (or were indoctrinated into); they must do it themselves.

That giant gap of fence-sitters who seem to be “above politics” or “both sides are the same” are the ones who can be convinced with evidence.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:34:43am

re: #391 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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What’s interesting is how many people are just so offended by it, not in a punch-in-the-gut way, but in a you-held-a-gun-to-my-face kind of way. Someone actually reported it to twitter, and that got 25 likes.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:35:45am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

One of my more distant cousins posted that thinking it made Honan look good. And Tom, she’s a taxpayer too dipshit.

Imagine screaming at the cop arresting you: YOU WORK FOR ME!

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DangerMan  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:36:46am

OT question:

when I grab a polarized plug, why is it always facing the wrong way?

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Mescalero09  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:39:04am

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DangerMan  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:39:13am

re: #504 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Back to my old stand-by: Conservatism is a religion.

Any fact which does not comport with a religion must be disregarded to protect the religion.

Their faith tells them their religious leaders (Republican politicians) are preaching the truth. Therefore the 27% crasification factor which is hard-core conservative religious believers will never accept the facts. (Nixon had supporters who were convinced he was railroaded after he resigned.)

They are lost: no one can reason someone out of a religion they reasoned themselves into (or were indoctrinated into); they must do it themselves.

That giant gap of fence-sitters who seem to be “above politics” or “both sides are the same” are the ones who can be convinced with evidence.

agreed: a lot of politics is learned the same way religion is

As obama said to bill maher - “they take in symbols and signifiers, not facts and details and positions”

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:39:53am

re: #421 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I think Dr. Kendzior’s problem with Pelosi is due to her vast experience with autocratic regimes, she may have failed to see what Pelosi was doing, and the fact our system while being far from perfect (whatever that is) is very resilient.

Long before Nancy Pelosi made the announcement this is now an impeachment enquiry the evidence-gathering was already underway.

I think it’s the old saw of when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

She failed to remember the other one: If you go after the king, you’d better not miss. The House Democrats have exactly one chance of laying out a case. They have to get it right the first time.

And while democracies are similar, they’re not the same. Washington, DC has a pace to it that you have to understand, and Pelosi understands it better than us. The Simpson’s episode, where the janitor that looks an awful lot like Walter Mondale helps them get the law passed is probably a lot closer to accurate, that a paperclip can make something more official than a speech.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:41:41am

re: #509 DangerMan

agreed: a lot of politics is learned the same way religion is

As obama said to bill maher - “they take in symbols and signifiers, not facts and details and positions”

which is why they are so clingy with their guns and bibles

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:42:24am

re: #506 Belafon

Imagine screaming at the cop arresting you: YOU WORK FOR ME!

That would be different though. //

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:42:49am

re: #503 Eric The Fruit Bat

I watching some clips of W. the other night.

Still not a big fan of him but now he sounds like a fucking statesman compared to Trump.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:43:53am

People like Trump don’t worry about being notorious or infamous.

The reason is that their self-image is based on their importance. They would rather be remembered, even for bad things, than be a good person and forgotten within a generation (when their surviving relatives die.)

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Dave In Austin  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:47:24am

It’s not even 10am and a post count over 500.
My phone isn’t happy about this. Did something else happen while I was sleeping?

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:48:56am

re: #457 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I would propose an amendment that these roles are filled by Congress, not the president.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:53:00am

nhc.noaa.gov
Hurricane Lorenzo is down to 115 mph and expected to weaken to a Category 2 storm. Models also show that after a couple days northward travel it will accelerate rapidly to the northeast as a post-tropical hurricane-strength storm aimed at Ireland.

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steve_davis  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:53:40am

re: #320 Rightwingconspirator

12 going on 13. Goes so fast

she and i would tell you the “going on” part is the important part!

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steve_davis  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:56:00am

re: #327 Mattand

I can’t square this with the fact he basically did the same thing Lindsay Graham did: was vehemently anti-Trump and then became a servile boot licker.

The only possible nod I can give to Governor Loudmouth is that being a former prosecutor, he might have been savvy enough to keep track of where the bodies where buried in order to save his own sorry ass.

Trust me, I had to hear about this jackass everyday for eight years. He doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.

absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:56:13am

re: #501 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s #2. Mcconnell was naive enough to think that Trump WOULDN’T throw him or any other staunch loyalists under the bus.

Based on Trump’s behavior to date, how could someone with McConnell’s alleged political instincts believe that Trump would not trample on anyone to save himself? And that Trump would not lie about everything? Maybe McConnell is really not that brilliant and has been a Russian mole all along?

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Weaselone  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:57:31am

re: #490 Anymouse 🌹🎃

It’s not exactly difficult to devise why homelessness is so visible in places like LA.
1. There’s the climate - it’s basically decent year round which is going to attract a disproportionate share of people who spend their time outside.
2. Urban areas have resources attractive to the homeless people just due to size that wouldn’t be available or at least not as regularly available in small towns/ rural areas.
3. Density. Even with a similar percentage of homelessness, it going to be far more visible in a densely populated area.
4. Policies. Some areas have policies to combat homelessness that amount to a combination of making them as miserable as possible and shipping them somewhere else.

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lizardofid  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:58:03am

re: #502 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Why is POTUS tweeting out hat slogans? Another shipment in?

Hopefully it’s a going out of business sale.

Oh, good morning everyone!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 28, 2019 • 7:59:35am

WTAFF?
This asshole was going around shooting people whose cars had broken down by the side of the road. One person was killed and several wounded in four separate incidents. There was no attempt at robbery or anything similar; he just pulled up and started shooting.

Suspect arrested in connection with possible serial shooter in Texas, sheriff’s office says

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:00:41am

re: #492 Hecuba’s daughter

There are only two possibilities:
1. McConnell finally decided Trump was harming the prospects of GOP domination and thought the release of the memo would lead to his early departure from the WH.
2. McConnell is not the brilliant tactician that we all thought; if he were, he would never have taken Trump’s word about the phone call and would have insisted on reading the document first. If he actually saw the document and still thought it was good to release it — well, then he is either a moron or see #1.

I would go with 2. McConnell’s only strategy is not do anything the Democrats want, and break any rule if it helps Republicans. It’s just been easy in the Senate to have that ability with the 60 vote rule.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:03:24am

re: #469 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My regional newspaper is right back to fear-mongering in the op-ed page this morning. I think I need to fire up the liberal letter to the editor pen later today and rebut this.

Betsy McCaughey: Dems Will Make Homelessness Worse (goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald, more at the link)

She goes on about Los Angeles and used needles, a potential typhus outbreak, and all of this is caused by excessive laws and regulations.

She doesn’t go as far as saying the homeless should be rounded up in concentration camps, but she says Trump is right about the homeless problem in LA.

I detest that shrew. Her claim to fame were the articles attacking Hillary’s health care plan that Tory Queen Andy Sullivan continually published in the New Republic. She became such a darling of the Clinton haters that the GOP made her Pataki’s running mate in the 1994 New York Governor election. She was so incompetent they booted her out in 1998 and she ran for Governor on the Liberal Party ticket.

The only good thing she’s ever done (along with Giuliani) is destroying the corrupted Liberal Party in New York.

As for Sullivan, I hate that CENSORED with a hellfire level contempt for the lies he spun about Hillary’s health care proposal. Thanks to him and other fucking Republicans like Bill Kristolmeth my parents lost their house thanks to medical bills.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:03:44am

Morning Lizardim from the beautifully clear and cool wild north country. Fall is in full swing here… a fitting way to watch the fall of the tangerine wankmaggot and his enablers in Congress. How go things among the lizardfolk on this picturesque fall morning?

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:04:18am

re: #515 Dave In Austin

It’s not even 10am and a post count over 500.
My phone isn’t happy about this. Did something else happen while I was sleeping?

The same thing that happened before you went to sleep, Trump. Even for the Trump presidency, the amount of stuff that came out this week was unprecedented. We had at least 8 Fridays this week.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:04:25am

re: #460 MsJ

Alex, I’d like “That which will never happen for $200” please.

We thought Nixon would never resign. He thought he would never resign.

Just saying.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:06:32am

US aviation regulators have ordered inspections of Boeing 737 NG aircraft after cracks were found on some planes.

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said Boeing discovered the cracks “while conducting modifications on a heavily used aircraft”.

Similar cracks were found in a small number of additional planes, the agency said.

The 737 Max, which was grounded worldwide in March following two crashes, is not affected by the checks.

Boeing said 737 NG operators have been contacted, but they have not reported any problems.

The US manufacturer has not said how many planes would be subject to inspections. (more)

bbc.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:07:12am

re: #528 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

We thought Nixon would never resign. He thought he would never resign.

Just saying.

Nixon wasn’t facing state tax-evasion crimes in several states.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:07:32am

re: #472 wrenchwench

Nixon was incapable of shame. I don’t think Nixon resigned out of shame but rather genuine recognition that him being removed from office would be awful for the country himself, so he resigned. (I recently read Jaworski’s The Right and the Power.)

Whereas I think he did it for the money. (If he’d been removed from office, no presidential pension.)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:09:01am

re: #503 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Miss you, Dumbya?

HELL NO!

You lied us into a war that killed my son and got away with it. Hell is too good for such a sleazy son of a CENSORED as you!

Oh and that goes double for THE DICK and his daughter, too!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:09:26am

re: #531 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Whereas I think he did it for the money. (If he’d been removed from office, no presidential pension.)

That might be one way to convince Trump to go. Money and Secret Service protection.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:15:48am

Keeping up with the adult entertainment world (because that’s what I do):

Former Showgirl Video performer recalls era of the peep show as closure makes way for new dispensary (goes to KTNV television in Las Vegas)

Showgirl Video was the last old-time peep show in Las Vegas. It opened more than forty years ago.

Showgirl Video is closed and will soon be torn down to join the crowd of Las Vegas dispensaries, according to the former owner.

Treasure Brown recalls passing the now shuttered Showgirl Video on her way home from school more than 25 years ago.

“I went to Las Vegas High School when it was actually in the City of Las Vegas on 7th Street,” said Brown.

That daily stroll proved to be life changing.

RELATED: Nevada’s marijuana industry breaks $100M in contributions to state

“Every day I would pass these ‘live nude girls’ signs,” she said. “And when I became an 18-year-old, I thought maybe I should be a live nude girl.”

(more)

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:16:29am

Why Impeachment is Starting Now, In One Chart
mischiefsoffaction.com

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:17:51am

re: #526 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Morning Lizardim from the beautifully clear and cool wild north country. Fall is in full swing here… a fitting way to watch the fall of the tangerine wankmaggot and his enablers in Congress. How go things among the lizardfolk on this picturesque fall morning?

Last night and this morning, we had the first of what passes for fall weather here in the unfreezing west. Which means a chill in the air, even though it’s sunny. About two weeks later than pre-global warming normal, but I’ll take it.

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Jay C  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:19:12am

re: #534 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Keeping up with the adult entertainment world (because that’s what I do):

Former Showgirl Video performer recalls era of the peep show as closure makes way for new dispensary (goes to KTNV television in Las Vegas)

Showgirl Video was the last old-time peep show in Las Vegas. It opened more than forty years ago.

(more)

Landmark Peep-show Shuttered to Make Way For Marijuana Dispensary

A nutshell history of the 2010s in one headline….

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:19:26am

re: #534 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Treasure Brown and Raymond Pistol are names that sound like they came out of a noir film.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:24:09am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:24:52am

re: #507 DangerMan

OT question:

when I grab a polarized plug, why is it always facing the wrong way?

Like this, only different…

Inserting a flash drive.
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DangerMan  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:25:26am
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retired cynic  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:26:31am

re: #312 Mattand

Oh, geez, be careful. We had a tree hit the house last year. Hang in there.

It was just a small limb, a couple of inches in diameter at the most. Sounded big! Sorry for the excitement…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:27:14am

re: #529 Anymouse 🌹🎃

US aviation regulators have ordered inspections of Boeing 737 NG aircraft after cracks were found on some planes.

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said Boeing discovered the cracks “while conducting modifications on a heavily used aircraft”.

Similar cracks were found in a small number of additional planes, the agency said.

The 737 Max, which was grounded worldwide in March following two crashes, is not affected by the checks.

Boeing said 737 NG operators have been contacted, but they have not reported any problems.

The US manufacturer has not said how many planes would be subject to inspections. (more)

bbc.com

Boy, Boeing is just having a time of it, aren’t they.

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William Lewis  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:27:25am

re: #494 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Thread

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I see the usual urban myths being promoted.

Hint: the railroads have nothing to do with roman chariots.

snopes.com

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:28:35am

re: #539 Dave In Austin

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Ah, nothing warms my cold heart like watching Repubs tearing chunks out of each other.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:29:06am
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DangerMan  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:32:21am

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DangerMan  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:34:22am

it’s getting worse, faster.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:37:51am
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calochortus  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:40:05am

re: #549 jaunte

I think the conversation inspired will have a heavy flavor of “You paid how much for that? Hahahaha.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:42:07am

re: #549 jaunte

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:44:19am

re: #544 William Lewis

I see the usual urban myths being promoted.

Hint: the railroads have nothing to do with roman chariots.

snopes.com

I’ve been trying to come up with a joke that would connect “width of a horse’s ass” with the management and operation of 19th century railroads. WH Vanderbilt of “public be damned” fame would figure in this.

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:46:29am

re: #548 DangerMan

it’s getting worse, faster.

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You’ve the slow drip of “sources,” the growing feud between Rudy and the WH staff, and Donny so convinced of his invulnerability that he’s ratcheting up the crazy faster than Repubs can come up with excuses.

All I can say is…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:48:42am

Just read the pinned tweet/backstory of Horse Whisperer. Wow. Good guy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:49:35am

Linda Tripp is trending on Twitter…

twitter.com

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ericblair  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:50:29am

re: #555 Joe Bacon 🌹

Linda Tripp is trending on Twitter…

twitter.com

They all think we’ve forgotten, don’t they?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:53:52am

re: #536 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Last night and this morning, we had the first of what passes for fall weather here in the unfreezing west. Which means a chill in the air, even though it’s sunny. About two weeks later than pre-global warming normal, but I’ll take it.

It was cold enough last night that our floor furnace popped on early this morning for the first time this season.

Today will only reach the low sixties, but tomorrow the temps are expected to reach the mid eighties.

I’m going to hit the rack. Thanks for having me overnight. Catch y’all later.

Mr. Johnson’s Home for the Clinically Sane has kept us all going in these dark hours of the Trumpocalypse. After yesterday’s stunning Friday Dump-ex, we just might be seeing a light at the end of the tunnel. (Let’s hope it’s not an oncoming locomotive.)

Johannes Brahams—Opus 49 #4 “Weigenleid” (Lullaby) [3:01, audio only]

Johannes Brahms - Lullaby

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:54:17am

re: #551 Joe Bacon 🌹

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.45 would match his place in Presidential succession but I don’t really care what caliber he chooses. Iirc, Hitler used a .32, with quite satisfactory results.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:55:24am

re: #399 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I didn’t know that there was a morbid and depressing C&H drawing faction our there. I am not a better person for knowing. I will put the knowledge in a box and apply some C4 therapy. That cartoon is just wrong.

It is, and I am going to try to forget I saw it, too.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:59:22am

re: #555 Joe Bacon 🌹

Linda Tripp is trending on Twitter…

twitter.com

re: #556 ericblair

They all think we’ve forgotten, don’t they?

LOL.

She’s sixty-nine. I wonder if she’s on Twitter witnessing this?

Monica Lewinsky is on Twitter; if she’s seeing it she must be shadening in her fraude.

The point of Sen. Grahams’s statement though isn’t for us; it’s to gaslight conservative voters.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 28, 2019 • 8:59:59am

re: #391 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Cartoon really upset me.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:05:01am

re: #561 Joe Bacon 🌹

Cartoon really upset me.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:12:05am

re: #562 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:14:04am

re: #535 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Why Impeachment is Starting Now, In One Chart
mischiefsoffaction.com

How does Clinton not get ‘Malign Political Opponents’?

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:17:37am

re: #564 Renaissance_Man

How does Clinton not get ‘Malign Political Opponents’?

I’m not convinced that it shouldn’t read ‘maligned political opponents.’

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DangerMan  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:17:58am

re: #553 Targetpractice

You’ve the slow drip of “sources,” the growing feud between Rudy and the WH staff, and Donny so convinced of his invulnerability that he’s ratcheting up the crazy faster than Repubs can come up with excuses.

All I can say is…

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my fave is:

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:21:53am

re: #564 Renaissance_Man

I think it’s meant as a verb instead of an adjective?

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:36:17am
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Belafon  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:37:31am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:40:20am

re: #568 Belafon

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Here here Bishop Swan.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:51:49am

You guys see this?

kansascity.com

A Missouri man flew to California, spent two days setting wildfires, then tried to fly home, officials say. He was arrested Monday.

Freddie Graham, 68, hopped on a flight from Missouri to San Jose last Thursday, KPIX reported. After renting a car, he spent the next two days setting fires as he drove the “narrow, windy roads” between Ed Levin Park and the Calaveras Reservoir in the foothills near San Jose, Deputy District Attorney Bud Porter said.

Officials say Graham would light pieces of paper on fire and then toss them out of his window as he drove, The East Bay Times reported. He’s believed to have set at least 13 fires — four on Friday and nine on Saturday — which are collectively referred to as the Reservoir Fire, officials say.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:53:19am

re: #571 Rightwingconspirator

Any motive?

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:55:30am

re: #572 Dave In Austin

Not in the article, but probably a hate crime in my view. Hating Californians, not sure if that’s chargeable, probably not lol. Flew from Kansas Missouri (oops) to start fires here in a fire emergency alert period.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:55:49am

re: #571 Rightwingconspirator

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Dave In Austin  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:58:12am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:58:52am

re: #574 Dave In Austin

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That MAGAT faces up to 22 years in prison. Which isn’t enough for his sorry cracker ass…

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retired cynic  Sep 28, 2019 • 9:58:55am

re: #473 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And this is the point again: DT has no concept on how a President presides. Not as a CEO laying down the Law but as a Chief Executive delegating and conferring, and even occasionally deferring.

Hell, Trump won’t even let anyone check his Tweets for him.

Someone pointed out that DT’s experience was not as a CEO, with responsibilities to others, but as head of a family ‘empire’ where he was king.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:01:40am

re: #575 Dave In Austin

I guess they have not heard of that wonderful book called a dictionary. /

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:02:12am

re: #576 Joe Bacon 🌹

That MAGAT faces up to 22 years in prison. Which isn’t enough for his sorry cracker ass…

At his age, at least it will prob be a life sentence.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:03:55am
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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:04:15am

re: #574 Dave In Austin

From an email I sent out.

In the old west, they took horse theft very seriously. In California, we take wildfire arson very seriously. It’s a threat to lives and homes. Looks like someone took anti-California rhetoric way too seriously. It was a fluke this guy got caught, and I distinctly recall Al Qaeda worries in the same vein after 9/11. So given the ever-escalating anti-California statements, how much more of this is coming?
Californians-Keep your phones, fire extinguishers, and handguns close. That guy was from gun country

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:04:49am
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Belafon  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:04:59am

re: #578 PhillyPretzel

I guess they have not heard of that wonderful book called a dictionary. /

It’s hard for them to understand the letters because they look upside down to them.

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retired cynic  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:07:06am

re: #508 Mescalero09

All I Want for Christmas is …

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:09:26am

Well the rain season is starting before Columbus Day this year. Heavy shower here in Koreatown!

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:15:08am
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Dread Pirate  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:17:02am
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Semper Fi  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:18:34am

re: #571 Rightwingconspirator

You guys see this?

kansascity.com

Goodbye, Freddie.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:18:38am

re: #586 goddamnedfrank

And Graham is wrong. If you keep asking for a parking ticket you will eventually get one.

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garzooma  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:23:54am

re: #535 jaunte

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Why Impeachment is Starting Now, In One Chart
mischiefsoffaction.com

Interesting piece. I’m not clear why Nixon checks “Easy to understand narrative” while Trump-obstruction doesn’t.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:25:53am

re: #590 garzooma

Interesting piece. I’m not clear why Nixon checks “Easy to understand narrative” while Trump-obstruction doesn’t.

Likely because with Nixon it was primarily one thing. Trump on the other hand has committed so many impeachable offenses it’s tough to keep track of them all.

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:25:54am

re: #571 Rightwingconspirator

You guys see this?

kansascity.com

He’s probably originally from the Bay Area as he was here, at least in part, to attend his high school reunion in Milpitas.
Sounds like a resentful asshole.

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mmmirele  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:27:53am

re: #531 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Whereas I think he did it for the money. (If he’d been removed from office, no presidential pension.)

Nixon became a millionaire on paper when he lived in the White House. That was due to the many, many improvements made to his San Clemente residence (“The Western White House”), some of which were required for the Secret Service presence. Some weren’t.

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KGxvi  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:28:23am

re: #575 Dave In Austin

It probably makes sense in Russian.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:29:52am

“Top diplomat.”

JFC.

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KGxvi  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:31:59am

re: #593 mmmirele

Nixon became a millionaire on paper when he lived in the White House. That was due to the many, many improvements made to his San Clemente residence (“The Western White House”), some of which were required for the Secret Service presence. Some weren’t.

You can probably buy La Casa Pacifica today for about $60m. Maybe less because San Clemente has dubbed it a historic property and thus you would be limited on improvements.

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:32:37am

re: #593 mmmirele

Nixon became a millionaire on paper when he lived in the White House. That was due to the many, many improvements made to his San Clemente residence (“The Western White House”), some of which were required for the Secret Service presence. Some weren’t.

Sure, but there was maintenance and upkeep to think about. Also office expenses for his endless exculpatory interviews and writings.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:33:30am

re: #586 goddamnedfrank

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:33:37am
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calochortus  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:34:08am

I wonder what’s wrong? Trump hasn’t Tweeted in nearly 24 hours. Did someone hide his phone?

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danarchy  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:34:11am

re: #573 Rightwingconspirator

Not in the article, but probably a hate crime in my view. Hating Californians, not sure if that’s chargeable, probably not lol. Flew from Kansas Missouri (oops) to start fires here in a fire emergency alert period.

He does have a history of starting fires. Randomly set a truck full of hay on fire. Could just be a firebug who thought he could start the fire of a lifetime and watch his handywork on the evening news.

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garzooma  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:34:47am

re: #591 Eclectic Cyborg

Likely because with Nixon it was primarily one thing. Trump on the other hand has committed so many impeachable offenses it’s tough to keep track of them all.

It’s just that attacking an investigation is objectively worse that tampering with witnesses but otherwise allowing the investigation to proceed unhindered.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:35:19am

Oligarch Air is busy.

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retired cynic  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:36:58am

re: #603 jaunte

Oligarch Air is busy.

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Visiting Barr?

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retired cynic  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:37:07am
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jaunte  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:38:07am

re: #604 retired cynic

Whole lotta plottin goin on.

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KGxvi  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:38:10am

Ok, so apparently La Casa Pacific is actually (still) on the market. $57.5m… not bad for almost five and a half acres of oceanfront property and a historical residence with over 15,000 sq ft. Interestingly, no mention that it is a former presidential property.

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:39:44am

re: #595 jaunte

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“Top diplomat.”

JFC.

I hate to be lookist, but her old man’s troubles are clearly aging her. She’s not looking too good in that photo.

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:41:05am

re: #600 calochortus

I wonder what’s wrong? Trump hasn’t Tweeted in nearly 24 hours. Did someone hide his phone?

Shh, don’t jinx it.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:42:24am

*giggle-snort*

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:44:27am

re: #608 makeitstop

I hate to be lookist, but her old man’s troubles are clearly aging her. She’s not looking too good in that photo.

That was my thought too. She also just looks different to me lately. Probably aware enough to realize she has a problem.

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retired cynic  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:44:29am

Don’t use plastic teabags!!!

washingtonpost.com

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mmmirele  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:45:27am

My evil too big to fail bank named a guy named Charlie Scharf (a protege of Jamie Dimon’s) as the new CEO yesterday.

cbsnews.com

How our group found out about it—someone in chat asked, “why has our stock gone up 4 percent since open?” (which was 30 minutes previously). “New CEO.” And “BNY Mellon.” And “protege of Jamie Dimond.” Then we turned back to our work because, frankly, we have been too busy this week. I’ve been distressed that I haven’t had time to wallow in the schadenfreude of Donald Trump being in trouble. I’ve had to spend a lot of time herding cats!

Oh, and this is interesting, I have no idea how it’s going to work out:

He’s going to run the bank from NYC.

sfchronicle.com

Let me explain what a sea change that’s going to be. The evil too big to fail bank has always been run out of San Francisco. Always. Even when Norwest gobbled up Wells Fargo, it was run from SFO. And, in fact, in my area, our incidents occur and are tracked on Pacific Time. It’s going to be weird if this guy insists on moving to Eastern Time (hopefully he does not, but I’m not holding my breath).

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:46:54am
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calochortus  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:48:06am

re: #612 retired cynic

Don’t use plastic teabags!!!

washingtonpost.com

Wait. Plastic tea bags? We use loose tea 99% of the time, but I can’t recall seeing a tea bag that looks like it involves plastic.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:49:41am

This is Ivanka’s face dialed to ‘Russian.’

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:50:14am
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mmmirele  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:50:16am

Oh, just to bring up an unpleasant anniversary which will occur on Wednesday:

Jamal Khashoggi was murdered in Istanbul on October 2 last year.

Now it’s entirely possible there might not even be a memo or readout with the man who almost assuredly ordered Khashoggi’s murder—Mohammed bin Salman.

cnn.com

As the anniversary comes up on Wednesday, don’t forget that Trump loves him some MbS and apparently had no problem with MbS’s elaborate plot to kill Khashoggi.

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danarchy  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:50:46am

re: #614 jaunte

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When is that picture from? Didn’t she recently get her hair cut in a bob? Did she get extensions?

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garzooma  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:51:35am

re: #603 jaunte

Oligarch Air is busy.

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Speaking of the Trumpworld/Oligarch connection, Bloomberg reported last week that Trump attack dogs Victoria Toensing and Joseph diGenova are representing Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry Firtash.

Dmitry Firtash, a wealthy Ukrainian and onetime business partner of Paul Manafort who is facing extradition to the U.S. on corruption charges, has hired a legal team with close ties to President Donald Trump.

The lawyers retained by Firtash are Victoria Toensing and Joseph diGenova, according to representatives for Firtash and for the attorneys.

The husband-and-wife team were vocal critics of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election and have voiced support for Trump in the news media and in frequent appearances as legal commentators on Fox News.

Firtash has been fighting a U.S. Justice Department request for extradition to Chicago, where has was charged in a 2013 case involving alleged bribe payment to officials in India to secure mining concessions.

In June, Austria’s Supreme Court ruled that Firtash could be extradited to the U.S. The Ukrainian energy magnate is mounting a last-ditch effort to stave off the transfer.

Corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin wrote an affidavit as part of this effort to avoid American justice. It’s in this affidavit that Shokin claims that Biden got him fired to prevent prosecution of the company Biden’s son was involved with, even though documents show that the prosecution wasn’t in fact happening. Now Trumpworld lawyers are also joining the effort to thwart justice.

If he is extradited, as Manafort’s business partner, he may be induced to shed light on Manafort’s activities, and therefore maybe Trump’s.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:53:36am

re: #619 danarchy

CNN may have just grabbed a file photo.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:54:11am

re: #620 garzooma

Now why would he hire Gomez and Morticia to be his attorneys?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:55:26am

re: #621 jaunte

CNN may have just grabbed a file photo.

This.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:57:46am

re: #622 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now why would he hire Gomez and Morticia to be his attorneys?

He’s creepy and he’s kooky,
Mysterious and spooky…

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2019 • 10:58:43am

Why has Barr been in Italy, while Russians have been flying in and out? This might explain it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 28, 2019 • 11:00:21am

re: #625 makeitstop

Why has Barr been in Italy, while Russians have been flying in and out? This might explain it.

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Washington Examiner—perfect example of FAKE NEWS!

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Sep 28, 2019 • 11:00:22am

re: #608 makeitstop

I hate to be lookist, but her old man’s troubles are clearly aging her. She’s not looking too good in that photo.

It has to be an older picture, though. She cut her hair.

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2019 • 11:01:44am

re: #625 makeitstop

Why has Barr been in Italy, while Russians have been flying in and out? This might explain it.

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WTF?

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2019 • 11:03:30am

re: #626 Joe Bacon 🌹

Washington Examiner—perfect example of FAKE NEWS!

Yeah, but Bernstein announced it on CNN.

I’d put nothing past Barr at this point - even tossing out Kremlin-manufactured ‘documents’ alleging a conspiracy that doesn’t exist.

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2019 • 11:03:58am

re: #629 makeitstop

Yeah, but Bernstein announced it on CNN.

I’d put nothing past Barr at this point - even tossing out Kremlin-manufactured ‘documents’ alleging a conspiracy that doesn’t exist.

I guess he wants to be impeached too?

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2019 • 11:06:03am

re: #630 calochortus

I guess he wants to be impeached too?

Or he thinks he can throw out enough chaff to throw the entire scandal into doubt.

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John Hughes  Sep 29, 2019 • 4:02:31am

re: #417 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The end-point about the boosters on the space shuttle launch is false on its face. There is no way in he’ll that literal rocket science would be limited by any transportation issue. The engineers didn’t “want” anything that they didn’t get. A few inches larger in diameter would be a huge delta in propulsion mass and fight dynamics.

It has a grain of truth.

Why did the Challenger accident happen?

Because the solid rocket boosters were assembled from sections held together by the famous “o-rings”. (simplification).

Why were they not made as one big unit?

So they would fit on rail cars. The limit wasn’t the track gauge, it was the length of the car, which is set by the smallest radius of a bend in the line.

It wasn’t an engineering decision, giving the contract to Morton Thiocol was a political decision.


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