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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:32:25am

Who was the greatest game show host that ever lived?

(Correct question for the answer “Alex Trebek.”)

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Nyet  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:33:42am

For your amusement, some Russian ultranationalist opinions on the elections:

ruskline.ru
ruskline.ru
facebook.com
tsargrad.tv

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Acemarilllion  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:33:50am

So many scandals they can only cover the “Top” scandals.

Is this the winning we are supposed to have been sick of by now?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:34:13am

re: #3 Acemarilllion

yes.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:36:04am

From the previous thread:

re: #338 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Solid shade throwing from Dubya

Still with the “Donald Trump has the right to pursue any legal challenges and unresolved issues will be properly adjudicated.”

That whole red meat bit to the base could have been left out. Bush knows what’s going on with those cases, and he knows that they are bullshyte.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:36:29am

re: #1 i(m)p(each)sos

Who was the greatest talk show host that ever lived?

(Correct question for the answer “Alex Trebek.”)

Bob Barker objects.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:37:56am

Church today was not bad. The woman with the Trump mask was still wearing it today… LOL. I got to talk politics with one of my conservative gamer friends, and it actually wasn’t bad. He was respectful and agreed with me at point, and it was good.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:40:49am

re: #7 Dopefish: Ever hopeful.

Church today was not bad. The woman with the Trump mask was still wearing it today… LOL. I got to talk politics with one of my conservative gamer friends, and it actually wasn’t bad. He was respectful and agreed with me at point, and it was good.

I was shocked that my Dad’s super obnoxious Trumper casual friend acknowledged it was over the day before it was called. I’m not rubbing it in. I’m taking a cue from Joe and spreading the faith. I feel good. I’m dreading the Covid winter but Biden’s giving me hope that we can move into a better era.

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:41:24am
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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:41:34am

re: #8 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This winter feels like it could have a Valley Forge vibe to it.

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:41:47am

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Bob Barker objects.

And Trump thinks he won reelection. :)

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John Hughes  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:42:09am

re: #377 Belafon

I’m just curious what website you think you’re on?

Obviously not the one you think you’re on.

Is criticism of other people not allowed?

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:42:41am

re: #1 i(m)p(each)sos

Who was the greatest talk show host that ever lived?

(Correct question for the answer “Alex Trebek.”)

game show or talk show?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:42:53am

re: #10 Dopefish: Ever hopeful.

Yes. And there are those who want to twist it into something it is not.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:43:10am

re: #9 Belafon

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Honestly I’m tired of both of them. AOC implied Omar was why Biden won Minnesota which is nonsense and I think she has no clue what swing Congressmembers deal with. Likewise Kasich can zip it too about how Biden needs to listen to Republicans.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:43:15am

Well the Pulpit Pimp Palace 3 blocks from me has another Mask-less of the Red State Death Orgy going on again. No doubt the Pimp is ordering The Big G’s Angels to defend Trump just like every other Pulpit Pimp O Rama spectacle going down.

I’m at the point that I no longer care if these assholes wind up on respirators. They chose to be stupid.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:44:53am

re: #10 Dopefish: Ever hopeful.

This winter feels like it could have a Valley Forge vibe to it.

Yeah it’s gonna be a long winter. Second holiday season in a row I’m gonna be more sad than happy. Last winter took a toll on me.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:45:55am

re: #2 Nyet

Some hefty DARVO in there.

“…”From the point of view of the logic of changing the psychology of American society (in the face of the current Democratic Party and the ‘deep state’, we have nothing to do with a part of society that simply looks at Trump, but with a hostile attitude). perfectly adequate. And if he achieves the result… In every American city will be his bust and even, maybe his portrait will appear in dollars… »« And while… And while there will be a brutal war against Trump, who played honestly after all, he won this honest war) and now he is trying to return the chosen victory to him. For this there is all the grounds (and, we note, the Supreme Court, which is interested in the victory of Trump, not only because there is a majority of conservatives, but also because the victory of the liberals - this is the liquidation of the most legal non-legal system in the United States.”

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mmmirele  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:46:20am

re: #16 🌹UOJB!

Well the Pulpit Pimp Palace 3 blocks from me has another Mask-less of the Red State Death Orgy going on again. No doubt the Pimp is ordering The Big G’s Angels to defend Trump just like every other Pulpit Pimp O Rama spectacle going down.

I’m at the point that I no longer care if these assholes wind up on respirators. They chose to be stupid.

Which Pulpit Pimp Palace is it? There are so many out there—tax exempt monuments to religious greed.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:46:56am

re: #15 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Honestly I’m tired of both of them. AOC implied Omar was why Biden won Minnesota which is nonsense and I think she has no clue what swing Congressmembers deal with. Likewise Kasich can zip it too about how Biden needs to listen to Republicans.

Want to know why we LOST seats and are barely handing on in the House. Abagail was right—it was that “Defund The Police” shtick the Republicans whacked us with. Whether you like it or not Democrats have to hold the center and we sure lost seats by not holding more of the center.

Oh and for Kasich. Sure would have been nice if he had barnstormed Ohio. But he didn’t.

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TarHellion  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:47:45am

Updates on the ongoing ballot counts:

AZ: Biden up 18,553; FFVCS keeps cutting away at the advantage but hopefully will not be enough

GA: Biden up 10,196; Gotta believe they are getting close to finishing the count

NV: Biden up 31,464; Biden now at 50.1 percent of the vote

PA: Biden up 42,858; Fully expect Biden to surpass FFVCS’ victory margin of 44,292 in 2016

Looking like it will wind up 306-232, though AZ could cut it down to 295-243.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:48:09am

re: #19 mmmirele

Which Pulpit Pimp Palace is it? There are so many out there—tax exempt monuments to religious greed.

They’re nothing compared to MacArthur’s Scam-0-Rama in the valley which STILL defies state, county and city orders!

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:49:04am

CLed (PBUH) the last thread. New baby pics at the post.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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BigPapa  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:49:04am

Bill Barr and Mike Pence are loudly silent.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:49:31am

re: #15 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Honestly I’m tired of both of them. AOC implied Omar was why Biden won Minnesota which is nonsense and I think she has no clue what swing Congressmembers deal with. Likewise Kasich can zip it too about how Biden needs to listen to Republicans.

Ilhan Omar was almost a non-factor in Minnesota this election cycle, I don’t know what AOC is talking about. Biden won Minnesota because we are fed up with Fuckface von Clownstick, pure and simple. He tried to fuck us over multiple times, and we said, “Not today, Satan.”

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mmmirele  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:49:41am

re: #22 🌹UOJB!

They’re nothing compared to MacArthur’s Scam-0-Rama in the valley which STILL defies state, county and city orders!

This is true. There is, however, a contempt hearing scheduled for Friday, November 13.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:51:36am

Just a quick reminder: DO NOT CALL the Kockholster Kampaign’s VOTER FRAUD HOTLINE unless you have ironclad evidence* to report.

Operators are standing by 24 hours a day just dying to take your call.

*Ironclad evidence may or may not consist of visions received during fevered adderall-fueled dreams, random notions while (cheating) on the golf course and/or psychic (or psychotic — it’s such a fine line) revelations resulting in feelings of universal adoration.

Busy signal? Can’t get through? Fill out your Voter Fraud Issue Report Form here. Again and again.

defendyourballot.formstack.com

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BeachDem  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:52:20am

re: #9 Belafon

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I will be sorely disappointed (and really, really angry) if Joe puts asshole Kasich in his cabinet. As I said last thread, Kasich is and has always been a gigantic asshole. And with his fabulous “surrogate” work, Trump got a higher percentage of the vote in Ohio than he did in 2016.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:52:38am

re: #13 dangerman

game show or talk show?

Duh. This last week has been a very long year.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:52:54am

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Rest in peace, Alex.
Alex Trebek, long-running ‘Jeopardy!’ host, dead at 80

Another one on the list of people I wanted to meet.

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Nyet  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:53:05am

re: #27 🌹UOJB!

Just a quick reminder: DO NOT CALL the Kockholster Kampaign’s VOTER FRAUD HOTLINE unless you have ironclad evidence* to report.

Yes,[no phone numbers allowed] is the real number. Operators are standing by 24 hours a day just dying to take your call.

*Ironclad evidence may or may not consist of visions received during fevered adderall-fueled dreams, random notions while (cheating) on the golf course and/or psychic (or psychotic — it’s such a fine line) revelations resulting in feelings of universal adoration.

Busy signal? Can’t get through? Fill out your Voter Fraud Issue Report Form here. Again and again.

defendyourballot.formstack.com

That Hamburglar call was hilarious. But nobody should repeat it. Nobody, you hear!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:53:08am

re: #20 🌹UOJB!

Want to know why we LOST seats and are barely handing on in the House. Abagail was right—it was that “Defund The Police” shtick the Republicans whacked us with. Whether you like it or not Democrats have to hold the center and we sure lost seats by not holding more of the center.

Oh and for Kasich. Sure would have been nice if he had barnstormed Ohio. But he didn’t.

Defund the police was stupid. Extremely stupid. Abigail’s beef is with messaging and she’s right but that won’t stop people from smearing her as unsympathetic to people who want LEO reform. Acting like all cops are assholes is stupid too. How I went from someone who was vocal on this shit in the Obama years to being a “moderate” is frustrating. The left of the party need to realize they sometimes alienate even lifelong liberals like me by acting like their message should be applied everywhere.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:53:19am

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Rest in peace, Alex.
Alex Trebek, long-running ‘Jeopardy!’ host, dead at 80

What is: fuck 2020?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:55:27am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:55:54am

re: #25 Dopefish: Ever hopeful.

Ilhan Omar was almost a non-factor in Minnesota this election cycle, I don’t know what AOC is talking about. Biden won Minnesota because we are fed up with Fuckface von Clownstick, pure and simple. He tried to fuck us over multiple times, and we said, “Not today, Satan.”

AOC is like Trump in that she’s too online politics wise.it’s my understanding she never even opened an office in her district. Biden knows how to engage with people.I’ll defend her when people like that Brian dude throw out sexist bs but I’ll criticize her if I think she’s misrepresenting things and I’m sad to see it, I see her do it in ways that have long annoyed me with her mentor.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:55:56am

re: #28 BeachDem

I will be sorely disappointed (and really, really angry) if Joe puts asshole Kasich in his cabinet. As I said last thread, Kasich is and has always been a gigantic asshole. And with his fabulous “surrogate” work, Trump got a higher percentage of the vote in Ohio than he did in 2016.

He’d be better off with weed entrepreneur Boehner.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:56:10am

re: #20 🌹UOJB!

Want to know why we LOST seats and are barely handing on in the House. Abagail was right—it was that “Defund The Police” shtick the Republicans whacked us with. Whether you like it or not Democrats have to hold the center and we sure lost seats by not holding more of the center.

Oh and for Kasich. Sure would have been nice if he had barnstormed Ohio. But he didn’t.

The Dems lost seats because they basically swept the board on close races two years ago. Including in places like Orange County CA where they swept the county. They’re probably going to lose two of those seats by fewer than 3,000 in each district, which means (depending on redistricting in two years), they’ll have a chance of winning them back

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:56:56am

re: #28 BeachDem

I will be sorely disappointed (and really, really angry) if Joe puts asshole Kasich in his cabinet. As I said last thread, Kasich is and has always been a gigantic asshole. And with his fabulous “surrogate” work, Trump got a higher percentage of the vote in Ohio than he did in 2016.

Give him a non descript ambassadorship:).

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:58:15am

re: #30 i(m)p(each)sos

Duh. This last week has been a very long year.

no worries
just want to know what “game” we’re playing here. ;-)

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:58:44am

re: #36 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

AOC is like Trump. She’s too online. It’s my understanding she never even opened an office in her district. I’ll defend her when people like that Brian dude throw out sexist bs but I’ll criticize her if I think she’s misrepresenting things and I’m sad to see it, I see her do it in ways that have long annoyed me with her mentor.

She has two district offices.

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Alephnaught  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:58:46am

re: #1 i(m)p(each)sos

Who was the greatest talk show host that ever lived?

(Correct question for the answer “Alex Trebek.”)

Michael Parkinson, surely? He had a friendly demeanour, his line of questioning was honed by his journalistic background (His book on Mohammed Ali- whom he had interviewed in a classic episode of his talk show- is an absolute joy to read.), and introduced Billy Connolly to an unsuspecting UK wide audience. What’s not to like?

Oh, and he was presenter of a fake telethon style broadcast on a Hallowe’en night called “Ghostwatch”, which scared the bejeezus out of viewers, mainly due to Parkinson’s reputation and his acting exactly as one would expect Parkinson to react.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:59:27am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:59:28am

re: #38 KGxvi

The Dems lost seats because they basically swept the board on close races two years ago. Including in places like Orange County CA where they swept the county. They’re probably going to lose two of those seats by fewer than 3,000 in each district, which means (depending on redistricting in two years), they’ll have a chance of winning them back

And as a Cuban-American, we saw what happened in South Florida. Stop calling yourselves socialists when you’re really just social democrats like many in the party are.

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2020 • 10:59:55am

re: #37 Barefoot Grin

He’d be better off with weed entrepreneur Boehner.

or the four seasons landscape guy

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BeachDem  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:00:10am

re: #37 Barefoot Grin

He’d be better off with weed entrepreneur Boehner.

I’m all in for Lincoln Chafee (R/D/L—whatever) as the compromise cabinet pick.

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BeachDem  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:01:29am

re: #39 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Give him a non descript ambassadorship:).

Give him ice water in the winter—that’s all asshole Kasich would give anyone else.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:01:34am

re: #41 KGxvi

She has two district offices.

Oh okay. Had heard it took her awhile. She’s not useless but she really could benefit with understanding Abigail’s district and why left wing rhetoric doesn’t work there. It’s Cantor’s old one. That we hold it is a blessing and part of why this isn’t your father’s Virginia.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:01:53am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:03:02am

re: #47 BeachDem

Give him ice water in the winter—that’s all asshole Kasich would give anyone else.

But if he’s in Croatia, he can’t bitch about Biden not “reaching out”. :)

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:03:10am

IF I had to put Kasich somewhere, send him to the UN to do repair work. Or send him to Europe as an ambassador to patch relations.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:04:10am

re: #51 🌹UOJB!

IF I had to put Kasich somewhere, send him to the UN to do repair work. Or send him to Europe as an ambassador to patch relations.

Croatia. The Croat PM is a conservative but in the Merkel spirit and not the national populist one.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:04:23am

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Mitt Romney has been asked to lead Health and Human Services in Biden administration (Buffalo Chronicle, a satire site)

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VegasGolfer  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:04:31am

re: #41 KGxvi

She has two district offices.

EASILY fact check on google in 30 seconds. Thanks

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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:04:53am

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Oh, phew. I knew Biden wasn’t that dumb.

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KingKenrod  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:05:39am

In case there are any doubts about where Romney stands

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:05:47am

re: #46 BeachDem

I’m all in for Lincoln Chafee (R/D/L—whatever) as the compromise cabinet pick.

harvest them from the Senate
make them say no
or make the senate vote them down
then when they accept, flip the senate

then fire their asses
pleasure of the prez

mitch’s rules

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:06:17am

re: #56 Dopefish: Ever hopeful.

Oh, phew. I knew Biden wasn’t that dumb.

See also:

Schumer to include Upstate New York and Puerto Rico in statehood legislation

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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:06:21am

re: #57 KingKenrod

In case there are any doubts about where Romney stands

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How can anyone say that with a straight face and people actually think this is a good thing?

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:06:29am

re: #57 KingKenrod

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) says who he voted for is “down the memory hole.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:06:47am

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Mitt Romney has been asked to lead Health and Human Services in Biden administration (Buffalo Chronicle, a satire site)

People need to chill. And we need to accept there will be Republicans in his administration but also people in the left wing of the party too.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:07:08am

Whar exactly is the Green New Deal that Romney opposes?

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:07:10am

If Newsom chose Maxine Waters as a placeholder for Kamala’s vacated Senate seat it would scare the shit out of every Republican in that chamber.

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Jay C  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:07:18am

re: #36 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

AOC is like Trump. She’s too online. It’s my understanding she never even opened an office in her district. I’ll defend her when people like that Brian dude throw out sexist bs but I’ll criticize her if I think she’s misrepresenting things and I’m sad to see it, I see her do it in ways that have long annoyed me with her mentor.

Actually, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez has, according to her website, two offices - one in each borough her district covers (Bronx and Queens), but I’ll agree that AOC is punching well above her weight as a freshman Congresswoman. I get that she is is quite web-savvy, and knows very well how to leverage even negative publicity into public exposure (and it doesn’t hurt that so much of the criticism really is “sexist BS” or mindless left-baiting) - but then again, she is probably the highest-profile real *leftist* in a generally centrist legislature - she doesn’t have too many choices in avoiding obscurity.

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:08:06am

re: #12 John Hughes

Obviously not the one you think you’re on.

Is criticism of other people not allowed?

Your “criticism” reflected no knowledge of the people on this website, especially of the person you were supposedly responded to. It showed a lack of understanding of what we have said on this site since Trump took office about our place in the world and how we would be viewed after, and also showed a lack of understanding of what we hear mean when we say “we will find a cure.” So, no, yours wasn’t criticism but your usual reaction to comments that is tiring and not constructive. It’s why most choose to ignore you, which I shoukd have done.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:08:40am

Oh, if Newsom appointed George Takei to replace Kamala…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:08:48am

re: #62 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

People need to chill. And we need to accept there will be Republicans in his administration but also people in the left wing of the party too.

Why do we need to accept that? Why should I accept anyone from a party which wants to suppress my religious rights, my wife’s rights as a woman, and wants to deport me as an “anchor grandbaby?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:08:51am

Bitter asshole is bitter.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:09:00am

re: #386 Jebediah, RBG

re: #130 dangerman

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:09:27am
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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:09:47am

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Bitter asshole is bitter.

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Actually, how long have the media been calling races? Certainly since at least the infamous “DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN” headline.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:10:01am

That was a fake story. I deleted the tweet.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:10:20am
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:10:37am

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Bitter asshole is bitter.

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BigPapa  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:11:06am

GOP starting the Telling Democrats What To Do phase of losing.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:12:50am

re: #65 Jay C

Actually, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez has, according to her website, two offices - one in each borough her district covers (Bronx and Queens), but I’ll agree that AOC is punching well above her weight as a freshman Congresswoman. I get that she is is quite web-savvy, and knows very well how to leverage even negative publicity into public exposure (and it doesn’t hurt that so much of the criticism really is “sexist BS” or mindless left-baiting) - but then again, she is probably the highest-profile real *leftist* in a generally centrist legislature - she doesn’t have too many choices in avoiding obscurity.

Yeah mea culpa about the offices. I just think she doesn’t realize things. Most freshman reps don’t get a seat making the platform. Jennifer Wexton didn’t and neither did Abigail. She needs to understand that this is a coalition and it would be even if we had a social Democratic Party. I’m not gonna beat up on her but I want her to understand that “socialism” doesn’t resonate with most people. Her issues aren’t the problem imo, it’s selling social democracy as Democratic socialism in a country that sees the word socialism and the Internationale plays in their head.

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Targetpractice  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:13:07am

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Bitter asshole is bitter.

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So…who wants to be the one to tell him that he might not look like such a farking hypocrite if he hadn’t gone out before the cameras Tuesday night and declared the voting to immediately cease and the media to declare him the winner?

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:13:44am

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Bob Barker objects.

Richard Dawson

(I joke. But no one else could have been cast as the host of The Running Man!)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:15:12am

re: #79 Sherlock Hound

Richard Dawson

(I joke. But no one else could have been cast as the host of The Running Man!)

Monty Hall.

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John Hughes  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:15:49am

re: #15 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Why do democrats loose?

Because they spend more time attacking there friends than there enemies.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:15:52am

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Why do we need to accept that? Why should I accept anyone from a party which wants to suppress my religious rights, my wife’s rights as a woman, and wants to deport me as an “anchor grandbaby?”

I don’t know what to tell you but it’s just how shit is. I don’t like it either but it got a lot harder when we didn’t outright win the Senate.

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Jay C  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:17:20am

re: #63 jaunte

What exactly is the Green New Deal that Romney opposes?

Apparently, the Republican boogeyman/fantasy version of the initial “GND” plan: an extremist agenda which is easily painted as a violent national coup by “environmentalist terrorists” to force all American out of their homes and cars and make everybody dress in burlap, live in yurts, by candlelight, and eat nothing but soybeans. Forever.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:18:12am

re: #81 John Hughes

Why do democrats loose?

Because they spend more time attacking there friends than there enemies.

The left of the party considers the people who are why my state is reliably Democratic and has been able to accomplish our goals to be DINOs. Suburban Va isn’t Brooklyn politically. Play to what works where you are. That’s all I’m asking. Ffs I hate this all or nothing shit.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:19:07am

So here’s the interesting thing about Harris being VP… there has always been talk about Newsom wanting to run for president one day. With Harris as VP, that realistically means Newsom’s chance at the nomination is now likely 2028 or 2032 at the earliest (either Biden serves one term, Harris runs in 2024 and loses opening the door for 2028; or Biden serves two terms, Harris is the nominee in 2028; or Harris wins in 2024 pushing it back to 2032). So, what if he appoints himself? Probably very unlikely but possible

Alternative idea: he appoints a placeholder, and then runs for the seat in 2 years (passing up a second term as Governor) - this allows him the freedom to run for president whenever there’s an open election while gaining national experience.

I also don’t see him running for DiFi’s seat half way through his second term, either.

Be interesting to see what effect his ambitions have on the choice

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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:19:32am

re: #84 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The left of the party considers the people who are why my state is reliably Democratic and has been able to accomplish our goals to be DINOs. Suburban Va isn’t Brooklyn politically.

There is no one-size-fits-all approach to political policy. There are some things we can all agree on, like universal health care, but it has to be packaged and sold differently to different areas because we’re not all the same. You can sell a brand of socialism to Minnesota, or California, but if you try to do that in Texas, you’re liable to get shot.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:20:29am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:20:43am

re: #75 🌹UOJB!

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Such classy very leadership

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:21:46am

re: #86 Dopefish: Ever hopeful.

There is no one-size-fits-all approach to political policy. There are some things we can all agree on, like universal health care, but it has to be packaged and sold differently to different areas because we’re not all the same. You can sell a brand of socialism to Minnesota, or California, but if you try to do that in Texas, you’re liable to get shot.

It’s a coalition. It’s always been one. I’m not bashing the left. I’m asking the left to understand what works for them doesn’t work everywhere. That’s all I’m asking and if that means I’m bashing Democrats then so sue me, I worked my ass off to flip my state legislature two years ago anc it’s why our vote by mail worked easily.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:23:20am

re: #86 Dopefish: Ever hopeful.

There is no one-size-fits-all approach to political policy. There are some things we can all agree on, like universal health care, but it has to be packaged and sold differently to different areas because we’re not all the same. You can sell a brand of socialism to Minnesota, or California, but if you try to do that in Texas, you’re liable to get shot.

You can sell it in Nebraska. Megan Hunt belongs to the DSA. So do I. It wasn’t socialism that got me voted out, it was being an atheist. Megan Hunt’s strongest attacks on being an atheist came from Democrats, not Republicans (similar to Eric Swalwell’s attacks on Pete Stark).

Nebraska is the only state in the Union with no private electric companies. Almost no private water companies. A state-run company which owns all the gas lines in the state.

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William Lewis  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:29:09am

re: #84 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The left of the party considers the people who are why my state is reliably Democratic and has been able to accomplish our goals to be DINOs. Suburban Va isn’t Brooklyn politically. Play to what works where you are. That’s all I’m asking. Ffs I hate this all or nothing shit.

My personal beliefs are very hard core left; lot’s of Marx leavened with Smith & Keynes. But that only plays without freakout in a tiny handful of urban enclaves in the US. Never mind that the police, fire departments, libraries, etc are all examples of Socialist policy, the word has been abused so much that the vast majority of Americans are terrified of it. Since I’m more interested in leaving a better world behind than in being dogmatic - economically or religiously - I work for slow incremental progress.

That said, loud people like AOC (who having won re-election is no longer a freshman :) ) sitting in a safe place are the ones that can shift the discussion so that it by contrasting it against their “extreme” positions :D we are making our incremental changes.

That is how we’ll get police reform and all the other things that people need done once we have the deadlock in the senate cracked by election, appointment out of the senate or indictment.

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ericblair  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:30:12am

So, it looks like we don’t have to worry about provisionals changing anything.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:31:32am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

That was a fake story. I deleted the tweet.

That site is a known toxic actor. It’s been used to ratfuck Canadian elections, too. And it keeps fooling people here in western NY who ought to know it better by now.

I suspect it has ties to the odious Michael Caputo.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:31:35am

It’s nice to know all these right wing assholes now have to eat their words!

deadstate.org

THE TRUMP CULT Watchdog group compiles list of right-wingers who promised a Trump ‘landslide’ win

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:32:01am
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VegasGolfer  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:32:12am

re: #77 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah mea culpa about the offices. I just think she doesn’t realize things. Most freshman reps don’t get a seat making the platform. Jennifer Wexton didn’t and neither did Abigail. She needs to understand that this is a coalition and it would be even if we had a social Democratic Party. I’m not gonna beat up on her but I want her to understand that “socialism” doesn’t resonate with most people. Her issues aren’t the problem imo, it’s selling social democracy as Democratic socialism in a country that sees the word socialism and the Internationale plays in their head.

It’s not her fault 70 million Americans are stupid

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mmmirele  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:32:50am

I’m thinking he could build a massive downline from his MAGA cultists.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:33:48am

re: #92 ericblair

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So, it looks like we don’t have to worry about provisionals changing anything.

There’s this thing about provisional ballots in the South: they are most often the result of a challenge to the eligibility of someone who tries to vote on election day. Guess what kind of voter is most likely to be challenged. The trick is to teach our electorate to demand a provisional ballot if they are refused a regular one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:33:56am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:35:24am

re: #96 VegasGolfer

It’s not her fault 70 million Americans are stupid

No it’s not. As I said, message it better. And that’s what Spanberger who is no right winger and even sympathetic to the GND was talking about.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:35:34am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:36:12am

Do they hear themselves?

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retired cynic  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:37:44am
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Jay C  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:38:40am

re: #77 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah mea culpa about the offices. I just think she doesn’t realize things. Most freshman reps don’t get a seat making the platform. Jennifer Wexton didn’t and neither did Abigail. She needs to understand that this is a coalition and it would be even if we had a social Democratic Party. I’m not gonna beat up on her but I want her to understand that “socialism” doesn’t resonate with most people. Her issues aren’t the problem imo, it’s selling social democracy as Democratic socialism in a country that sees the word socialism and the Internationale plays in their head.

Quite agree. Except that:

the problem imo, it’s selling social democracy as Democratic socialism in a country that sees the word socialism and the Internationale reruns of The Killing Fields plays in their head

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ericblair  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:39:53am

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

This seems not great

Yes, she’s in front of the TV locked and loaded, just like everyone is gonna sue, you just watch.

The obvious time for the MAGAts to start shit was yesterday. It’s not happening. I’m pretty sure we’ll get stochastic terrorism by the very unhinged, but some huge uprising isn’t in the cards.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:40:00am

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

You can sell it in Nebraska. Megan Hunt belongs to the DSA. So do I. It wasn’t socialism that got me voted out, it was being an atheist. Megan Hunt’s strongest attacks on being an atheist came from Democrats, not Republicans (similar to Eric Swalwell’s attacks on Pete Stark).

Nebraska is the only state in the Union with no private electric companies. Almost no private water companies. A state-run company which owns all the gas lines in the state.

I’m convinced that social democracy is easier to sell in less diverse areas. It’s why I think Norway and Sweden were able to implement it in a post WWII world but people there start embracing the right as the country grew more diverse. LBJ’s Great Society got rejected by the way overly fetishized WWC that my family comes from because LBJ believed that the promise of the New Deal belonged to all Americans regardless of race. Likewise, we need to get rid of the mindset pushed by the Bernies of the world that working class just equals white. It’s an outdated construct and it’s always been.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:40:04am

re: #102 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Do they hear themselves?

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We already know Kristi is a first-rate douchecanoe. The isolation of South Dakota’s desolate plains must have driven her crazy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:42:32am

re: #102 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Do they hear themselves?

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Oh, I agree! Let’s give him A LOT of days in court! He’s got a BUNCH of things on hold while he’s President that will pour all over him as soon as he’s not.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:42:34am

re: #104 Jay C

Quite agree. Except that:

the problem imo, it’s selling social democracy as Democratic socialism in a country that sees the word socialism and the Internationale reruns of The Killing Fields plays in their head

Hahhaha true. But yeah more Americans need to look at what most people are calling socialism is just the post WWII consensus that was agreed on in Western Europe and Canada. I do as I said though believe hostility to social democracy goes up as a country, state, or what have you grows more diverse.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:43:37am

re: #104 Jay C

Quite agree. Except that:

the problem imo, it’s selling social democracy as Democratic socialism in a country that sees the word socialism and the Internationale reruns of The Killing Fields plays in their head

The problem is selling anything in a country where the factual discourse is subject to a narrative created by bad actors who have a tight lock on all means of communication.

Americans are no dumber than people anywhere else. They don’t have very different wants and needs. The difference is that they exist in an all-pervasive media environment that dictates reality, and as a whole, they absorb it uncritically, and do what they are told.

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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:44:00am

Jared, ya big wuss.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:44:31am

re: #111 makeitstop

Jared, ya big wuss.

Poor baby doesn’t want to be yelled at.

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ericblair  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:45:55am

Oh look, Trump campaign HQ is trying to buck up the troops. If you read the mentions, some enterprising souls pulled the actual front page from the archives and it was “Down to the Wire”, and this particular page is a Photoshopped version of BUSH WINS.

So they should go real nice with Trump’s fake TIME cover.

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:46:43am

there are now 5 new “ponds” here
drain ed 4” from the real one this am.

will have to take out 6 more now
unfortunately it will dump into one of the new ones

here’s a duck
on a fence
in the rain
sideways (not from wind)

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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:47:00am

This is pretty damn brilliant.

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lizardofid  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:48:36am

re: #111 makeitstop

Jared, ya big wuss.

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He’s gonna ask Ivanka to go isn’t he?

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retired cynic  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:49:01am

Biden plans immediate flurry of executive orders to reverse Trump policies
By Matt Viser, Seung Min Kim and Annie Linskey, WaPo

In depth look at transition plans and how the likely divided Congress is going to affect things going forward. And how the Trump transition team is slow walking things.

Biden’s top advisers have spent months quietly working on how best to implement his agenda, with hundreds of transition officials preparing to get to work inside various federal agencies. They have assembled a book filled with his campaign commitments to help guide their early decisions.

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ericblair  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:49:30am

re: #112 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Poor baby doesn’t want to be yelled at.

The more time he spends pointlessly contesting the election, the less time he has to fuck up the government any further. Also the madder he gets at the Gooper Senators and congresscritters saying otherwise on social media.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:49:46am

Ever-complexifying conspiracy theory

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:49:58am

re: #91 William Lewis

My personal beliefs are very hard core left; lot’s of Marx leavened with Smith & Keynes. But that only plays without freakout in a tiny handful of urban enclaves in the US. Never mind that the police, fire departments, libraries, etc are all examples of Socialist policy, the word has been abused so much that the vast majority of Americans are terrified of it. Since I’m more interested in leaving a better world behind than in being dogmatic - economically or religiously - I work for slow incremental progress.

That said, loud people like AOC (who having won re-election is no longer a freshman :) ) sitting in a safe place are the ones that can shift the discussion so that it by contrasting it against their “extreme” positions :D we are making our incremental changes.

That is how we’ll get police reform and all the other things that people need done once we have the deadlock in the senate cracked by election, appointment out of the senate or indictment.

The thing is incremental progress has always been part of it. Those who see FDR as our ideal President ignore that in the initial implementation of Social Security agricultural workers were excluded from the benefits and that was done to appease the Southern conservatives who didn’t want to help African-Americans who were a great deal of the agricultural workfoce down South in the 30’s. Same with ACA. ACA isn’t meant to be the be all of health care and our goal of universal coverage. It’s a starting point.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:51:27am

The “missing” Trump votes is going to be the next Benghazi thing the GOP beat to death, isn’t it?

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John Hughes  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:51:34am

re: #66 Belafon

Your “criticism” reflected no knowledge of the people on this website,

I was critcising a comment, not a person — obviously, I don’t know the person.

and also showed a lack of understanding of what we hear mean when we say “we will find a cure.”

How am I supposed to understand that?

There is, and will be, no cure.

And who are we?

So, no, yours wasn’t criticism but your usual reaction to comments that is tiring and not constructive. It’s why most choose to ignore you, which I shoukd have done.

Not constructive? I’ve never seen a comment less constructive than yours.

If you thought I misunderstood the original comment, say that, with explanations of the points I may have missed.

But no, you go tribal — “you are not welcome here”.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:53:10am

::: schlepping out the grill :::

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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:55:10am

re: #113 ericblair

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Oh look, Trump campaign HQ is trying to buck up the troops. If you read the mentions, some enterprising souls pulled the actual front page from the archives and it was “Down to the Wire”, and this particular page is a Photoshopped version of BUSH WINS.

So they should go real nice with Trump’s fake TIME cover.

They couldn’t even match the headline font. Amateurs.

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John Hughes  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:58:06am

re: #84 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

So don’t be the mirror of that.

Maybe they don’t consider you to be DINOs, maybe they have some positions a little bit to your left. Maybe you’re not listening to AOC and Ilhan but to some silly kids who claim to be their fans.

But who are the enemies? The real enemies?

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William Lewis  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:58:55am

re: #123 PhillyPretzel

::: schlepping out the grill :::

Been a little while. Let me get the copper wire brush and make sure it’s ready…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:59:00am

re: #125 John Hughes

So don’t be the mirror of that.

Maybe they don’t consider you to be DINOs, maybe they have some positions a little bit to your left. Maybe you’re not listening to AOC and Ilhan but to some silly kids who claim to be their fans.

But who are the enemies? The real enemies?

I didn”t declare them to be my enemies you pompous dick. I offered constructive criticism as someone who has lived in a state and region that has gone from being Republican held to reliably Democratic. Sorry I called you a dick but you’ve got to realize that I’m in a state that once executed as many people as Texas did at one point nad I’ve seen the hard work that incrementalism has gotten us in 20 years and I get tired of hearing from people who are just getting into politics for the first time having unrealistic expectations of shit.

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makeitstop  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:59:24am

Heh.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:59:47am

re: #126 William Lewis

Good idea.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 8, 2020 • 11:59:55am
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jaunte  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:00:15pm
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ericblair  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:02:52pm

re: #130 Ace-o-aces

The entire Murdoch empire has told Trump to screw off

The loopy Trumpy lady in the NY Times above said there will be a civil war, and she might be right. Between the Trump cult and the institutional GOP. They fight, we win.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:03:07pm

I’m sorry. I’m gonna drop this. I have my criticisms. They have the right to make theirs.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:03:18pm

re: #130 Ace-o-aces

A legacy below zero is still below zero

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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:03:53pm

re: #126 William Lewis

Been a little while. Let me get the copper wire brush and make sure it’s ready…

I’ll prepare the seasonings. What do we feel like today?

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John Hughes  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:06:06pm

re: #106 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m convinced that social democracy is easier to sell in less diverse areas.

bleurhg

That’s just assuming that everyone is racist so we should pander to them.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:06:07pm

re: #135 Dopefish: Ever hopeful.

I will leave it to you. I like mild seasonings.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:06:33pm

One of the reasons I like the idea of postal banking (or some version of a government bank) and a public option is because it’s government as a market participant. I think that’s not only an easier sell for Americans, but better policy. It allows us (as a society) to move and shape markets in two ways

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William Lewis  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:06:33pm

re: #135 Dopefish: Ever hopeful.

I’ll prepare the seasonings. What do we feel like today?

Something simple like lemon pepper or a vinaigrette marinade?

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:06:47pm

Wait, what?

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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:07:15pm

re: #139 William Lewis

Something simple like lemon pepper or a vinaigrette marinade?

Lemon pepper was the first thing that sprang to mind.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:07:17pm

re: #134 Sherlock Hound

A legacy below zero is still below zero

I mean when you think about Trump. The only reason why he got into the Presidential race four years ago was his delusional take based on his sexism, racism, and arrogance that he could be a better POTUS than Clinton or Obama. That’s why he’s here. Not even a real ideological conviction. Ego.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:08:09pm

re: #140 Sherlock Hound

Wait, what?

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Where were we for the last four years? IN HELL, YOU ASSHOLE! That’s why we had to fight, so that we could be in a position to heal later!

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:08:37pm

re: #142 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I mean when you think about Trump. The only reason why he got into the Presidential race four years ago was his delusional take based on his sexism, racism, and arrogance that he could be a better POTUS than Clinton or Obama. That’s why he’s here. Not even a real ideological conviction. Ego.

Grievance driven by ego… I really think it goes back to Obama roasting the everloving fuck out of him at the WHCD

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:08:39pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:08:42pm

(0:56)

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:08:45pm

re: #126 William Lewis

Been a little while. Let me get the copper wire brush and make sure it’s ready…

Make sure you clean off any left over wires afterwards.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:09:48pm

Did they think the Washington Times would just let them do it? That the would be their faithful lackeys?

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:10:34pm

re: #140 Sherlock Hound

Wait, what?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:11:16pm

re: #136 John Hughes

bleurhg

That’s just assuming that everyone is racist so we should pander to them.

How the hell else do you explain regions of this country that are heavily dependent on the federal government for subsidies repeatedly voting for hte party that evoked the welfare queen bullshit? There’s definitely racism here. It’s why fucking Trump won.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:11:21pm

re: #148 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

The Washington Times never ran a headline set in two different fonts.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:12:27pm

re: #147 Belafon

I am going to go over the grill with a wad of paper towels soaked in vegetable oil.

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:13:11pm

re: #148 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Did they think the Washington Times would just let them do it? That the would be their faithful lackeys?

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I’m actually surprised the washington times weren’t willing to be their lackeys

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William Lewis  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:13:11pm

re: #136 John Hughes

bleurhg

That’s just assuming that everyone is racist so we should pander to them.

Yes. Or would you rather we treat it as “Economic Anxiety”? /////////////////////////

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:17:01pm

re: #140 Sherlock Hound

Wait, what?

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your team, or whatever ones aren’t enabling Trumps attempt to illegally stay in office, are the ones demanding Dems be all nice

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John Hughes  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:17:55pm

re: #150 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The original claim was that it’s easier to sell “social democracy” (or democratic socialism, or just plain socialism, whatever) in ethnically uniform places. The classic “demonstration” being Scandinavia.

So, now explain how urban, diverse, areas of the US, are clearly closer to “social democracy” than more ethnically unified regions?

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KGxvi  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:19:09pm

re: #150 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

How the hell else do you explain regions of this country that are heavily dependent on the federal government for subsidies repeatedly voting for hte party that evoked the welfare queen bullshit? There’s definitely racism here. It’s why fucking Trump won.

1. Ignorance - both with respect to what government does and how policies effect them
2. Policy priorities - not everyone votes on economics, in fact I suspect (don’t have evidence) that a lot of people on the left and right vote more on social issues than economics
3. Failures of the Democratic Party to organize and fund efforts in those regions

These aren’t offered to say that there’s no racism or that racism isn’t a problem. But society is complex because it is made up of people who are themselves complex

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John Hughes  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:19:39pm

re: #154 William Lewis

No. I asked why we should pander to them. Did you miss that bit?

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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:19:44pm

re: #156 John Hughes

Gee, I dunno, maybe because the more ethnically unified regions are filled with fascist racist fuckheads who think “socialism” is a bad word? Just because America’s “less ethnically diverse” areas aren’t socialist, that doesn’t invalidate the point. It just means America has a ways to go to making socialism happen.

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plansbandc  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:20:30pm

re: #139 William Lewis

Lemon pepper sounds good.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:20:59pm

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:21:14pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:22:38pm

Where were they, Ari?

In cages at the border. At protests. Getting choked to death by police. Being denied a path to Citizenship, being called rapists and savages by the President, watching their environment get destroyed, standing in record unemployment lines, begging for Covid relief that never came, watching their loved ones die while the President gleefully did not give a shit.

I could go on.

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:23:06pm

re: #162 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

She lost me at Wall St. Democrats.

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dangerman  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:23:30pm

re: #148 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Did they think the Washington Times would just let them do it? That the would be their faithful lackeys?

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the only thing they didnt do was tweet it from four seasons landscaping

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John Hughes  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:23:35pm

re: #159 Dopefish: Ever hopeful.

So you are, like me, saying that the original post, which repeated frequently claimed talking point “social democracy can only exist in ethnically unified areas like skendiwegia” is just racist pandering bullshit.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:23:35pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:23:44pm

Trump was never going to go willingly, whether the election results were called early or late.

He spent the 2016 campaign crying that the election was rigged, even before he *won* despite losing the popular vote “by a lot.”

His whole presidency has been about himself. Hopefully his continued intransigence will make his exit all the sweeter.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:24:46pm

Refresh —> re: #167 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:24:54pm

Note the source.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:25:27pm

re: #62 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

People need to chill. And we need to accept there will be Republicans in his administration but also people in the left wing of the party too.

We really don’t.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:26:14pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

Note the source.

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Looks like….Breitbart. Real trustworthy source there, loser.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:26:22pm

re: #166 John Hughes

You are distorting the point. That’s not what the original post said.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:27:02pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes. Breibart.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:27:35pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

Note the source.

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Is this your “tremendous legal proceedings” loser?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:27:49pm

::: oiling down the grill grates :::

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:28:04pm

re: #171 A hollow voice says,1st Round on points. Onward!

We really don’t.

I am just saying it’s going to happen. I don’t like it either but if there’s a token Republican say at Commerce or Transportation, I’m not gonna get pissed. If he puts one of these people at an important position, I won’t like it. I just think we have to temper our expectations after the most nakedly partisan administration of our lifetimes. And if we want to push the party to the left, let’s give him a Senate in the midterms so we’ll be able to do it.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:28:44pm

Can’t wait for the Electoral College to meet and officially, legally, Constitutionally, end this nightmare.

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CleverToad  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:28:58pm

Okay, stepped away to do some house-type stuff and there’s a new thread with 170 already???
Thoroughly CL’d — thank you for the pics, Michele. A sweet little bright spot on what’s already a nice sunny day :)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:31:04pm

re: #178 Sir John Barron

Can’t wait for the Electoral College to meet and officially, legally, Constitutionally, end this nightmare.

It needs to go away. This notion “But if we get rid of it, only certain states will matter.” It’s like that now anyhow. The ratio of people represented in California by both the House nad SEnate compared to that in wyoming is just crazy. I don’t think you could abolish the Senate but I think you could and should look at increasing the size of the House.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:32:02pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

Note the source.

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Old, recently fired man, has thoughts on recent election.

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William Lewis  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:32:54pm

re: #180 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It needs to go away. This notion “But if we get rid of it, only certain states will matter.” It’s like that now anyhow. The ratio of people represented in California by both the House nad SEnate compared to that in wyoming is just crazy. I don’t think you could abolish the Senate but I think you could and should look at increasing the size of the House.

“Yeah but it’s OUR LITTLE states that matter!”

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thedopefishlives  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:33:11pm

re: #180 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It needs to go away. This notion “But if we get rid of it, only certain states will matter.” It’s like that now anyhow. The ratio of people represented in California by both the House nad SEnate compared to that in wyoming is just crazy. I don’t think you could abolish the Senate but I think you could and should look at increasing the size of the House.

To that end, I think abolishing the filibuster - for good - is possibly one of the better ideas as far as fixing our democracy. I’m all for the Senate as a deliberating body, but the minority should not have as much power as they do in the Senate in an era when the country is not strongly partisan enough in either direction to achieve 60 members.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:33:23pm

re: #180 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It needs to go away. This notion “But if we get rid of it, only certain states will matter.” It’s like that now anyhow. The ratio of people represented in California by both the House nad SEnate compared to that in wyoming is just crazy. I don’t think you could abolish the Senate but I think you could and should look at increasing the size of the House.

well, for the time being, it’s what we have. And they will do their duty, and carry out the will of the voters.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:33:29pm

opps I forgot to light the coals.
::: putting a couple of sheets of newspaper in the bottom of the chimney starter :::

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:34:22pm

What the F?

Trump cavalcade of trucks going south on Normandie Ave with the banners, confederate and Blue Lives Matters flags flaying away…

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retired cynic  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:34:22pm

Kamala Harris made history with quiet, exquisite power, by Robin Givhan, WaPo

Beautiful piece describing History being Made. A keeper.

History was right there in the making all the time.
When it arrived, there was no screaming shock to the system. The system was, quite frankly, numb. Instead, it was a moment of hushed catharsis. Of release. Of tears that had been buried so deep, for so long, that they bubbled up slowly and quietly.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:34:28pm

re: #184 Sir John Barron

well, for the time being, it’s what we have. And they will do their duty, and carry out the will of the voters.

Oh yeah absolutely. Honestly I hope the PR referendum results give some leverge. I’ll feel much better about it if we win the GA run offs.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:34:36pm

re: #173 Dopefish: Ever hopeful.

You are distorting the point. That’s not what the original post said.

Concur.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:35:20pm

re: #186 🌹UOJB!

What the F?

Trump cavalcade of trucks going south on Normandie Ave with the banners, confederate and Blue Lives Matters flags flaying away…

where is this?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:35:32pm

::: filling up the chimney starter :::

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:39:18pm

re: #183 Dopefish: Ever hopeful.

To that end, I think abolishing the filibuster - for good - is possibly one of the better ideas as far as fixing our democracy. I’m all for the Senate as a deliberating body, but the minority should not have as much power as they do in the Senate in an era when the country is not strongly partisan enough in either direction to achieve 60 members.

It rose to prominence in the 50’s when the likes of Thurmond were using it to block civil rights legislation. There needs to be some way to restore the balance between of powers between the three branches and I really blame unitary executive theorists like Cheney and later Barr in the executive branch and obstructionist dicks like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul in the Senate in the legislative branch for that as well as self fancied “originists”: in the judiciary like Thomas and Alito and now Barrett.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:40:51pm
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:41:58pm

::: lighting the newspaper :::

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:46:05pm

re: #38 KGxvi

The Dems lost seats because they basically swept the board on close races two years ago. Including in places like Orange County CA where they swept the county. They’re probably going to lose two of those seats by fewer than 3,000 in each district, which means (depending on redistricting in two years), they’ll have a chance of winning them back

My theory? The Democrats gained seats because the suburban Republican women couldn’t vote against Trump in 2018 — so they voted against their representative instead as their only way to object to Trump. This time Trump was on the ticket and they could vote directly against him, while supporting all down ticket Republicans. They never saw the GOP as a problem — only Trump himself.

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BeachDem  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:46:12pm

re: #177 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I am just saying it’s going to happen. I don’t like it either but if there’s a token Republican say at Commerce or Transportation, I’m not gonna get pissed. If he puts one of these people at an important position, I won’t like it. I just think we have to temper our expectations after the most nakedly partisan administration of our lifetimes. And if we want to push the party to the left, let’s give him a Senate in the midterms so we’ll be able to do it.

Everyone has a line that shouldn’t be crossed. Mine is Kasich (and a few others.) Putting a pig like him in the cabinet, with his anti-woman and other assorted nasty, ugly positions, is a slap in the face to many, many people. As Molly Ivins said, You Got to Dance with Them What Brung You. And Kasich didn’t “brung” us any damn thing.

I’m not saying it would ever make me vote for a Republican (it wouldn’t) or turn me against Biden, but it could certainly put a damper on my actions and donations going forward.

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gwangung  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:47:51pm

re: #196 BeachDem

Everyone has a line that shouldn’t be crossed. Mine is Kasich (and a few others.) Putting a pig like him in the cabinet, with his anti-woman and other assorted nasty, ugly positions, is a slap in the face to many, many people. As Molly Ivins said, You Got to Dance with Them What Brung You. And Kasich didn’t “brung” us any damn thing.

I’m not saying it would ever make me vote for a Republican (it wouldn’t) or turn me against Biden, but it could certainly put a damper on my actions and donations going forward.

Cindy McCain got us Arizona (or, at least, a lot of votes in Arizona). I can see including her.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:48:15pm

re: #195 Hecuba’s daughter

My theory? The Democrats gained seats because the suburban Republican women couldn’t vote against Trump in 2018 — so they voted against their representative instead as their only way to object to Trump. This time Trump was on the ticket and they could vote directly against him, while supporting all down ticket Republicans. They never saw the GOP as a problem — only Trump himself.

While that’s true, didn’t white women increase as a percentage of Trump voters this year?

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Semper Fi  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:48:18pm

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Bitter asshole is bitter.

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Well, Donnie, they did it and the whole world is celebrating. I heard the announcement caused fireworks in London and church bells rang across Paris.

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BeachDem  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:50:22pm

re: #197 gwangung

Cindy McCain got us Arizona (or, at least, a lot of votes in Arizona). I can see including her.

I’m not a huge fan, but she’s been on the right side of several issues and I wouldn’t have a problem with her getting an ambassadorship or something. But Kasich (and Meg fucking Whitman along with a few others)—hell to the no.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 8, 2020 • 12:55:46pm

[moved to next thread]

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jamesfirecat  Nov 8, 2020 • 2:35:47pm

re: #136 John Hughes

bleurhg

That’s just assuming that everyone is racist so we should pander to them.

Oh downding button how I’ve missed using you!

Telling racists that we’d stop spending so much time raising a fuss over making them to tolerate people of color or LGBTQ+ people is pandering to them. Calling reforms to make life better for everyone social democracy instead of socialism is like calling it the ACA instead of Obamacare, it is a marketing strategy that comprises nothing.


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