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GlutenFreeJesus  May 3, 2022 • 9:51:49am

A news conference. Whoopdeedoo. If they don’t take desperate measures to protect RvW, then they’re all useless.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 9:52:06am
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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 9:52:29am

Once again, Manchin gets the point of the filibuster backwards.

It’s entirely antidemocratic. It’s a tyranny of the minority and the whole purpose was to deny rights and protections during the 20th Century to slow the civil rights movement.

Now, it’s being used to deny women agency over their own bodies, to limit the damage the GOP and Trump did in the judiciary, and prevent expanding rights and protections to those who actually need it.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 9:54:45am

re: #3 lawhawk

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Once again, Manchin gets the point of the filibuster backwards.

It’s entirely antidemocratic. It’s a tyranny of the minority and the whole purpose was to deny rights and protections during the 20th Century to slow the civil rights movement.

Now, it’s being used to deny women agency over their own bodies, to limit the damage the GOP and Trump did in the judiciary, and prevent expanding rights and protections to those who actually need it.

the filibuster was not particularly egregious until one side weaponized it into exactly what you say it has become.

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aatharuv  May 3, 2022 • 9:55:47am

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

A news conference. Whoopdeedoo. If they don’t take desperate measures to protect RvW, then they’re all useless.

_All_ useless? There are just two problems.
1. Joe Manchin
2. Krysten Sinema

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 9:56:27am
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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 9:56:39am

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

A news conference. Whoopdeedoo. If they don’t take desperate measures to protect RvW, then they’re all useless.

They don’t have 50 votes to end the filibuster, unless we turn out in November to elect more Democratic Senators.

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darthstar  May 3, 2022 • 9:56:56am

I’m glad I’ve got to go to a bunch of meetings. I can’t deal with the Roe news.

But some good news from Ukraine…lots of small wins.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 9:57:29am

re: #3 lawhawk

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 9:57:48am
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that 54% of Americans think the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision should be upheld while just 28% believe it should be overturned — a roughly 2-to-1 margin.

but she wore a pantsuit
and there were emails

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 9:58:00am

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

A news conference. Whoopdeedoo. If they don’t take desperate measures to protect RvW, then they’re all useless.

What measures? What are our politicians supposed to be out there doing? This is what bothers me. Sure, I want them to show some more fire, but what EXACTLY can they do? While the filibuster is still a thing, the minority party gets to put a halt to any fucking thing they want as long as it’s not a nomination or a reconciliation bill. Biden can go out there and propose new legislation until he’s blue in the face. Pelosi and the House Democrats can sit down, write it all up, and pass every single one to send them to the Senate. Every single goddamn one will die before ever reaching the Senate floor just because Josh Hawley says, “Yeah, I’m going to filibuster that.” He doesn’t even have to stand up and DO it; he just has to SAY he will, and that’s the end of that. Again - I agree, I want the Democrats to get on the messaging train, but that’s literally all we’ve got right now, messaging. Nothing is going to change because IT CAN’T.

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aatharuv  May 3, 2022 • 9:59:07am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Unless she agrees to end the filibuster for this case, and Joe Manchin goes along with her (and he won’t) her statement is meaningless.

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Captain Magic  May 3, 2022 • 10:01:09am
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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 10:01:38am

re: #11 Dopamine Fish

What measures? What are our politicians supposed to be out there doing? This is what bothers me. Sure, I want them to show some more fire, but what EXACTLY can they do? While the filibuster is still a thing, the minority party gets to put a halt to any fucking thing they want as long as it’s not a nomination or a reconciliation bill. Biden can go out there and propose new legislation until he’s blue in the face. Pelosi and the House Democrats can sit down, write it all up, and pass every single one to send them to the Senate. Every single goddamn one will die before ever reaching the Senate floor just because Josh Hawley says, “Yeah, I’m going to filibuster that.” He doesn’t even have to stand up and DO it; he just has to SAY he will, and that’s the end of that. Again - I agree, I want the Democrats to get on the messaging train, but that’s literally all we’ve got right now, messaging. Nothing is going to change because IT CAN’T.

Messaging is the job right now, to get the voters to understand that they have the power to protect our rights, but only if they turn out and vote Democratic.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 10:01:58am

re: #12 aatharuv

Unless she agrees to end the filibuster for this case, and Joe Manchin goes along with her (and he won’t) her statement is meaningless.

Oh, I know. I don’t trust her one bit.

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Teukka  May 3, 2022 • 10:03:41am

Your Tuesday scientific horror flick…

Youtube Video

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 10:05:13am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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no. this statement is wrong on many levels

a woman’s health care choices should be between her, her family, and her doctor.

1. there is no ‘should’. a woman’s heath care choices are between her and her doctor. you know, exactly the same as it is for a man.

neither supreme court decisions nor laws suppressing women’s rights changes that.

2. ‘her family’ does not enter into it - a woman and only the woman can choose to involve her family or anyone else in any health care issue or decision. the choice to include others is hers and hers alone. you know, exactly the same as it is for a man.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 10:06:44am
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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 10:08:26am

re: #17 Dangerman

no. this statement is wrong on many levels

1. there is no ‘should’. a woman’s heath care choices are between her and her doctor. you know, exactly the same as it is for a man.

neither supreme court decisions nor laws suppressing women’s rights changes that.

2. ‘her family’ does not enter into it - a woman and only the woman can choose to involve her family or anyone else in any health care issue or decision. the choice to include others is hers and hers alone. you know, exactly the same as it is for a man.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 10:11:48am

re: #19 Punish Domestic Terrorists

A church in Jackson, Mississippi recently ran a Men’s weekend gathering where one of the major discussions was about men being marginalized when a woman makes a decision to have an abortion.

(No, I was not there. I know a couple of people who were).

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 10:13:04am

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

A news conference. Whoopdeedoo. If they don’t take desperate measures to protect RvW, then they’re all useless.

“Democrats need to get in front of the media about issues we care about!”

Democrats hold press conference

“Not like that!”

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 10:13:27am

Manchin - The filibuster is the only way we’re going to stop blood loss after a shooting.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 10:13:34am

re: #13 Captain Magic

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notice that many advocating against abortion have probably themselves had one or been involved with someone who did

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 10:15:16am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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thats what they’re all gonna say:

i got played
shrug
too late to do anything now

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 10:15:20am

I’d assume this was a stress-induced suicide caused by bad parenting, but rumor is that it was a car accident.

‘Toddlers & Tiaras’ Star Kailia Posey Dead at 16 (The Daily Beast)

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 10:15:44am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 10:16:14am

re: #21 Belafon

“Democrats need to get in front of the media about issues we care about!”

Democrats hold press conference

“Not like that!”

I’m really worried Dems are going to tear each other apart due to this rather than focusing on the major threat of the GOP.

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Barefoot Grin  May 3, 2022 • 10:16:23am

I’ll never forget the Obama SOTU address where he called out Citizens United for the obvious invitation to boatloads of corrupting money into an already problematic electoral system and Alito smugly shaking his head back and forth. I didn’t think it was possible to hate him more. And while we’re at it, fuck the other four, too. And while I’m on it, Roberts is conniving shit as well.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 10:18:07am

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m really worried Dems are going to tear each other apart due to this rather than focusing on the major threat of the GOP.

I think we’ll get it together. We did in 2020.

We’re just the Avengers. We suck as a team, we’re just good together at the toughest moments.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 10:18:15am

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

A church in Jackson, Mississippi recently ran a Men’s weekend gathering where one of the major discussions was about men being marginalized when a woman makes a decision to have an abortion.

(No, I was not there. I know a couple of people who were).

Sounds about right. My expectations for churches are a lot lower than they were before I was exposed to Conservative Christians in the news and online.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 10:18:48am

re: #19 Punish Domestic Terrorists

whenever i hear ‘family’ in this context, my first thought is ‘family’ male abuser…

My 11-Year-Old Patient Was Pregnant.

…discovered the identity of the family member that did this awful, unspeakable thing to her. And when the cops left to arrest that relative, they headed to church, because the perpetrator was at choir practice.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 10:19:38am

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m really worried Dems are going to tear each other apart due to this rather than focusing on the major threat of the GOP.

That’s been happening on Fark since last night. There are a few sensible people, and a lot of others either derping about Democratic “centrists” or “leftists” being the cause of this.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 10:21:44am

re: #31 Dangerman

whenever i hear ‘family’ in this context, my first thought is ‘family’ male abuser…

My 11-Year-Old Patient Was Pregnant.

But that’s fine. Surely any honorable, upstanding Christian man would own up to it and do the right thing, right? …right?

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Barefoot Grin  May 3, 2022 • 10:22:58am

re: #33 Dopamine Fish

But that’s fine. Surely any honorable, upstanding Christian man would own up to it and do the right thing, right? …right?

Godzwill

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Captain Magic  May 3, 2022 • 10:25:02am
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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 10:25:11am

The tracking page now says my new iMac is “On FedEx vehicle for delivery.”

I hope they’re not lying to me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 10:25:14am

And the GOP outrage is about the fact that their machinations have been exposed in advance before they are an irreversible fait accompli

Was it Rubio who was comparing the leakers to the Jan. 6 rioters?

Yes, I recall the videos of the leakers building gallows, brandishing flagpoles at police, stealing and vandalizing public property and defecating in government offices.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 10:25:32am
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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 10:26:02am

re: #35 Captain Magic

Yesterday.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 10:26:42am

re: #35 Captain Magic

If #RoeVWade disappears, how much longer will it be before I’m seen as 3/5ths of a person again?

Just get pregnant by a white man, then you will be 6/5th of a person!!!

/////

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 10:27:29am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

The tracking page now says my new iMac is “On FedEx vehicle for delivery.”

I hope they’re not lying to me.

That still doesn’t mean it will get to you today. //

I ordered a laptop once, which was delivered through DHL. The driver got it to me on the day it was supposed to be there, at 9:30pm.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 10:27:33am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Biden should open that $8 billion Aportionplex that the onion reported on…

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 10:27:35am
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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 10:28:03am

re: #24 Dangerman

thats what they’re all gonna say:

i got played
shrug
too late to do anything now

If Collins and Murkowski wanted to correct their error, they could offer to vote to waive the filibuster rule in order to pass national legislation to protect the right to choose, thereby bypassing the need to get Sinema and Manchin onboard. They won’t.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 10:31:59am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

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‘this compelling case changed my mind just recently’

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 10:32:58am

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m really worried Dems are going to tear each other apart due to this rather than focusing on the major threat of the GOP.

This is an opportunity to galvanize the pro-choice majority to buck the midterm election trend and increase the Democratic majorities in Congress. We have to quit being fearful and be more like Ukrainians.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 10:34:23am

I respond to a guy on twitter I’ve been following for a long time, and not only does he get snide, but then decided to mute/block? Yeah, I was agreeing with him, and if he said it somewhere else last night, I’m supposed to wade back through all his posts?

He thought I was not agreeing with him?

Not worth it.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 10:34:47am

re: #45 Dangerman

‘this compelling case changed my mind just recently’

“Which one?”

“Plessy vs. Ferguson. I mean, think of what’s possible when we truly give into the Lord’s words.”

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 10:34:52am

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just get pregnant by a white man, then you will be 6/5th of a person!!!

/////

Your math doesn’t check out. A black woman pregnant by a white man is 3/5 of a person, who happens to be carrying 1 person inside of her. Once the baby is born, the father will determine whether the baby is 1 person or 3/5 of a person.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 10:35:33am
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Mattand  May 3, 2022 • 10:36:09am

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m really worried Dems are going to tear each other apart due to this rather than focusing on the major threat of the GOP.

It already started on the comment. We have a few people right here literally blaming both Clintons, Gore, and Monica Lewinsky (you know, the most powerful American ever) for what happened last night.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 10:36:12am

re: #49 Dopamine Fish

Your math doesn’t check out. A black woman pregnant by a white man is 3/5 of a person, who happens to be carrying 1 person inside of her. Once the baby is born, the father will determine whether the baby is 1 person or 3/5 of a person.

Schroedinger’s baby ought to be worth 4/5 of a person until it’s observed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 10:36:24am

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Not like they are gonna get fired for lying.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 10:37:00am

re: #51 Mattand

It already started on the comment. We have a few people right here literally blaming both Clintons, Gore, and Monica Lewinsky (you know, the most powerful American ever) for what happened last night.

Anything to keep the blame on the Democratic side of the aisle.

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Captain Magic  May 3, 2022 • 10:37:21am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not like they are gonna get fired for lying.

Perhaps they should.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 10:38:44am

re: #55 Captain Magic

Perhaps they should.

Then we need 67 Democrats willing to convict in the Senate.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 3, 2022 • 10:38:48am

re: #7 No Malarkey!

They don’t have 50 votes to end the filibuster, unless we turn out in November to elect more Democratic Senators.

Yup. And that falls on us, the voters. As does Manchin and Sinema. We need to make it so they’re irrelevant. That doesn’t excuse the Dems in Congress for not doing more, however. Raise hell, for fuck’s sake, before it’s too late. No more thinking the GQP are colleagues that can be reasoned with in any way.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 10:39:13am
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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 10:39:36am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Anything to keep the blame on the Democratic side of the aisle.

Republican judges, nominated by a Republican President, and confirmed by Republican Senators. Quit raging about Ginsburg, or Manchin, or Sinema or any other Democrat. The message has to be that the Republicans did this, and the only way for American voters to protect their rights is to vote for Democrats. The only way.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 10:39:36am

re: #52 Belafon

Schroedinger’s baby ought to be worth 4/5 of a person until it’s observed.

I laughed, but in seriousness, it’s important for their religious agenda that unborn babies be treated as full-fledged people. Their whole schtick has become centered around one passage from the book of Jeremiah which they have taken to mean that people receive their soul at the moment of conception, which is also the origin of the anti-contraceptive narrative.

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Mattand  May 3, 2022 • 10:39:38am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not like they are gonna get fired for lying.

Jesus, think about that for a minute: we’ve got a few SCOTUS justices who straight-up lied in order to land their appointments, knowing full well they’d never have to answer for it.

Just amazing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2022 • 10:40:18am

re: #10 Dangerman

but she wore a pantsuit
and there were emails

and she refused to bake cookies

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 10:41:36am

re: #51 Mattand

It already started on the comment. We have a few people right here literally blaming both Clintons, Gore, and Monica Lewinsky (you know, the most powerful American ever) for what happened last night.

Are you refering to me?

I am trying to understand how we came to the McConnell Senate.

The change in the Senate is slow (by news standards.)

It is very much the disaster of Bill Clinton, who set off a backlash in certain quarters.

Cause and effect are not something that can be easily discerned in a society, we are combination of a vast number of parameters.

If you want to know how we got the McConnell Senate, then we need to know what eliminated the ability of the Democratic Party to pick up at least a few Senators in states formerly of some importance to the Democrats.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 10:43:24am

During the Kavanaugh hearings, the GOP kept on top of things and turned it into a he-said-she-said, innocent-until-proven-guilty shouting match, which missed the point.

Kavanaugh was not on trial for his past actions, they did not need to proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The point of the hearings (which got lost in the din) was whether he had the qualifications - and the character - to be granted a lifetime appointment to America’s highest judicial body.

Had anybody been paying attention to anything except the dick-waggling, beer-drinking stories, it would of become clear that he was not up to the standards of the office he was seeking

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 10:43:56am

re: #61 Mattand

Jesus, think about that for a minute: we’ve got a few SCOTUS justices who straight-up lied in order to land their appointments, knowing full well they’d never have to answer for it.

Just amazing.

We also have a Senate, where everyone knew that the extremist justices were lying, and confirmed them anyway.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 10:45:00am

re: #60 Dopamine Fish

I laughed, but in seriousness, it’s important for their religious agenda that unborn babies be treated as full-fledged people. Their whole schtick has become centered around one passage from the book of Jeremiah which they have taken to mean that people receive their soul at the moment of conception, which is also the origin of the anti-contraceptive narrative.

Do you remember the chapter and verse? I like to know the arguments so I can know how to rebut them?

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 10:45:32am

re: #65 Punish Domestic Terrorists

We also have a Senate, where everyone knew that the extremist justices were lying, and confirmed them anyway.

Confirmed the judges because they knew they were lying.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 10:47:57am

re: #66 Belafon

Do you remember the chapter and verse? I like to know the arguments so I can know how to rebut them?

Of course I do. Jeremiah 1:5, translation presented here is the last revision of the NIV (mid-2000’s, I think, not the 1984 classic translation that I grew up with):

‘Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.’

The context is that this is God speaking to the prophet Jeremiah, delivering his call to ministry.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 10:50:03am
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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 10:51:01am

re: #69 Charles Johnson

It’s a good day to listen to music.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 10:51:38am

Reaganism was very much a backlash to the progressive changes of the 1960’s, changes which even Nixon bought into (in some part.)

The Democratic Party had a very difficult time countering Reagan. Only the slow changing of the House and Senate kept the Democrats in control here and there.

The Democratic Party has been, since the change of the 1960’s and the divorce of the Wallace faction from the Dems, a party of we’re-not-Republicans.

But it was clear that the Democrats could not counter Reaganism and the religious right in many quarters. The Presidential nominees in 1984 and 88 were bad choices (for winning.)

Bill Clinton took advantage of GHWB elitism. Ordinary people liked Bill. Bill was elected. Then Bill turned out to be a scandal machine.

Which was a horrible thing because the religious right and GOP machinery never stopped.

It took until Obama for someone charismatic enough to pull a Dem victory, but even Obama only had a Senate majority with him for a couple of years.

And then started the McConnell Senate, which has since 2010 determined the course of politics in this country.

Including the abortion issue.

Religious fanatics are far more dedicated to their causes than the average John and Jane Doe.

This is why the GOP fell into the hands of said fanatics and the rich who use them are fine with that.

Getting back to the Clinton thing: personalities matter and personal choices matter. Trump is a malicious dolt but he knows how to be the carney. His personality you and I may find repugnant but millions of Americans adore him for the very ugliness that we find so unappealing.

So we are in a culture war. And Bill Clinton was a very poor leader for the side against the religious fanatics. Obama was better, but he is only one guy in a system that is rigged to protect the establishment.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 10:53:06am

re: #68 Dopamine Fish

Of course I do. Jeremiah 1:5, translation presented here is the last revision of the NIV (mid-2000’s, I think, not the 1984 classic translation that I grew up with):

The context is that this is God speaking to the prophet Jeremiah, delivering his call to ministry.

Reply with “That’s why God didn’t tell his mother to get an abortion.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 10:54:50am

re: #70 Punish Domestic Terrorists

It’s a good day to listen to music.

Or spend some time outside.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 10:55:08am
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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 10:55:55am

re: #71 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

And Bill was only a scandal machine because Republicans went after him. Relentlessly. Lewinsky was a result of not being able to find anything in Whitewater. They tried going after Carter and Obama the same way, they just couldn’t find anything.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 10:56:30am

re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg

Or spend some time outside.

Not here, but elsewhere in the nation for sure. It’s 47F/rainy here.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 10:56:47am

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Waiting for Ragnarok Lobster to tell her to shut up the way people have been telling others to.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 3, 2022 • 10:57:47am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

The tracking page now says my new iMac is “On FedEx vehicle for delivery.”

I hope they’re not lying to me.

Think of yourself as Susan Collins and FedEx as Brett Kavanaugh ////

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darthstar  May 3, 2022 • 10:58:32am
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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 10:58:45am

re: #77 Belafon

Waiting for Ragnarok Lobster to tell her to shut up the way people have been telling others to.

He’s really got a thing about Warren, doesn’t he?

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 10:59:10am

Same company will spend millions to thwart unionization and better conditions at its facilities. Same company will underpay workers and will work them so hard that there’s 100% turnover at some facilities.

Nice that they’re willing to do this, but note that the people who will be in a position to take advantage of this aren’t the drivers and warehouse floor workers, but the white collar jobs - coders, and the like. Yet, it’s the people in the toughest jobs that are also at highest risk from overturning Roe. They’re the ones who are in the toughest shape financially.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 11:02:03am

re: #81 lawhawk

[Reuters: Amazon has told staff it will pay up to $4,000 in travel expenses annually for non-life threatening medical treatments including abortions.

smart move, because it can be accompanied by a sotto voce “but if you wanna get all uniony with us, that offer’s off the table!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 11:02:35am

Stupid lady does stupid again.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 11:03:34am
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JC1  May 3, 2022 • 11:05:10am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

During the Kavanaugh hearings, the GOP kept on top of things and turned it into a he-said-she-said, innocent-until-proven-guilty shouting match, which missed the point.

Kavanaugh was not on trial for his past actions, they did not need to proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The point of the hearings (which got lost in the din) was whether he had the qualifications - and the character - to be granted a lifetime appointment to America’s highest judicial body.

Had anybody been paying attention to anything except the dick-waggling, beer-drinking stories, it would of become clear that he was not up to the standards of the office he was seeking

But it didn’t matter. If Kavanugh didn’t get the votes, Trump would have picked the next name on the federalist list, and whoever that was would have still voted the same way.

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Barefoot Grin  May 3, 2022 • 11:08:44am

re: #69 Charles Johnson

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I got home from the office, turned on the tv only to find Andrea Mitchell allowing an anti-choice activist to ramble on about how laws now allow abortion up to the moment of birth and other BS. It was infuriating. Quickly turned it off and took the dog for a walk.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 11:09:28am

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

Stupid lady does stupid again.

The party that nominated a woman for president, has a woman for VP, just approved a woman for the Supreme Court, has approved more women to courts than at any time in US history, doesn’t listen to women?

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 11:11:09am
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ckkatz  May 3, 2022 • 11:12:28am

From what I am currently seeing, the most likely cause for the Supreme Court leak was the Roberts-Alito fight. Uncertain which side actually released it.

Maybe Alito’s side leaked it in order to cement the 5 justice majority supporting it.

Maybe Robert’s side leaked it to try and weaken the 5 justices and get them to support a less complete ban. Robert’s has lost control of things and realizes his name is going down next to Taney as the most despicable court in US history.

And there is the added benefit of getting the outrageous decision out early in the election cycle in the hope it will burn out by Fall.

I suspect though, that no matter which side leaked it, they both will blame the uninvolved.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 11:12:56am

re: #87 Belafon

The party that nominated a woman for president, has a woman for VP, just approved a woman for the Supreme Court, has approved more women to courts than at any time in US history, doesn’t listen to women?

Doesn’t listen to the right kind of women

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jaunte  May 3, 2022 • 11:13:05am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 11:14:33am

re: #91 jaunte

They can certainly start monitoring women’s behavior and punishing them for potentially “endangering unborn life”.

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William Lewis  May 3, 2022 • 11:14:37am

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

Stupid lady does stupid again.

Says the one actively working to kill women?

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 11:15:07am

I see George Conway has dropped the pretense now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2022 • 11:15:18am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

OMG, she’s still around???

That avatar photo has got to be at least 20 years old, from back in her days as Palin’s chief fluffer at conservatives4palin.

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jaunte  May 3, 2022 • 11:15:41am

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Smoking? Drinking? Drugs? You’re unfit.

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Barefoot Grin  May 3, 2022 • 11:15:52am

re: #89 ckkatz

From what I am currently seeing, the most likely cause for the Supreme Court leak was the Roberts-Alito fight. Uncertain which side actually released it.

Maybe Alito’s side leaked it in order to cement the 5 justice majority supporting it.

Maybe Robert’s side leaked it to try and weaken the 5 justices and get them to support a less complete ban. Robert’s has lost control of things and realizes his name is going down next to Taney as the most despicable court in US history.

And there is the added benefit of getting the outrageous decision out early in the election cycle in the hope it will burn out by Fall.

I suspect though, that no matter which side leaked it, they both will blame the uninvolved.

Seems like pretty good analysis. We’ll have more insight maybe if it turns out that Roberts’ “investigation” is a sham.

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JC1  May 3, 2022 • 11:16:09am

re: #88 Charles Johnson

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Hogan didn’t support Trump in 2020 and supposedly didn’t vote for him.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 11:18:25am

re: #98 JC1

Hogan didn’t support Trump in 2020 and supposedly didn’t vote for him.

I know.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 11:19:19am

I predict that if Trump runs in 2024, we’ll see a lot of “never-Trumpers” suddenly have changes of heart.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 3, 2022 • 11:20:30am

re: #86 Barefoot Grin

I got home from the office, turned on the tv only to find Andrea Mitchell allowing an anti-choice activist to ramble on about how laws now allow abortion up to the moment of birth and other BS. It was infuriating. Quickly turned it off and took the dog for a walk.

I was in the car driving to Meijer to do grocery shopping, turned on Sirius XM to the same station at the same time, because that is also what I heard. Switched the channel to local weather and traffic.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  May 3, 2022 • 11:20:36am

re: #51 Mattand

It already started on the comment. We have a few people right here literally blaming both Clintons, Gore, and Monica Lewinsky (you know, the most powerful American ever) for what happened last night.

You’re talking about someone who spent endless time registering democrats and advocating for democrats in his firetruck red state and across the border where it looked like having better effect, through the Obama and DT years. He’ll do it again (is doing it now) for the midterms.

And he thinks Clinton and Lewinsky share some of the blame for the situation the country is in. Deal with it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 11:21:22am

re: #100 Charles Johnson

I predict that if Trump runs in 2024, we’ll see a lot of “never-Trumpers” suddenly have changes of heart.

This right here.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 11:23:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2022 • 11:23:57am
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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 11:24:34am

re: #69 Charles Johnson

“Let us interview all of these Republicans who will explain why its a good thing that the power to regulate abortion is being delegated back to the states.”

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Dr. Matt  May 3, 2022 • 11:27:05am
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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 11:28:20am

re: #87 Belafon

The party that nominated a woman for president, has a woman for VP, just approved a woman for the Supreme Court, has approved more women to courts than at any time in US history, doesn’t listen to women?

Its propaganda. You might as well listen to Russian state tv as any Republican.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2022 • 11:28:32am
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ckkatz  May 3, 2022 • 11:28:59am
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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 11:29:58am

re: #89 ckkatz

From what I am currently seeing, the most likely cause for the Supreme Court leak was the Roberts-Alito fight. Uncertain which side actually released it.

Maybe Alito’s side leaked it in order to cement the 5 justice majority supporting it.

Maybe Robert’s side leaked it to try and weaken the 5 justices and get them to support a less complete ban. Robert’s has lost control of things and realizes his name is going down next to Taney as the most despicable court in US history.

And there is the added benefit of getting the outrageous decision out early in the election cycle in the hope it will burn out by Fall.

I suspect though, that no matter which side leaked it, they both will blame the uninvolved.

It definitely won’t burn out, because the closure of abortion clinics in most of the country won’t start until this summer.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 11:31:31am

re: #107 Dr. Matt

Yeah, all these right wing lunatics claiming that there was a law violated here.

Unless it was obtained by someone hacking Alito’s computer, there’s nothing but general decorum and history that indicates that we don’t see draft rulings before the final decisions are issued. No crimes here.

And it is all a distraction from the contents of the draft, which is horrific for what it portends for a whole raft of civil and voting rights. It’s got its sights set on all the privacy rights, including Obergefell, and we will see right wingers in Texas and Florida moving to invalidate gay marriages under the abortion decision, knowing that the federal courts will flow to a Supreme Court that’s already signaled its intent to shred those rights.

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weststpaulbear  May 3, 2022 • 11:31:43am

re: #86 Barefoot Grin

I got home from the office, turned on the tv only to find Andrea Mitchell allowing an anti-choice activist to ramble on about how laws now allow abortion up to the moment of birth and other BS. It was infuriating. Quickly turned it off and took the dog for a walk.

There are only 4-5 show hosts on MSNBC that I’ll watch. Any others are an instant close. I don’t understand why Andrea Mitchell is still on the air.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 11:31:46am
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Mike Lamb  May 3, 2022 • 11:32:00am

re: #107 Dr. Matt

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The far more logical possibility is that it was leaked by Alito or someone already ready to sign on to Alito’s opinion.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 11:33:38am

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

Stupid lady does stupid again.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 11:34:32am

re: #115 Mike Lamb

The far more logical possibility is that it was leaked by Alito or someone already ready to sign on to Alito’s opinion.

I’d sooner bet that it came from Roberts himself to try and show just how insanely regressive the right wingers are.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 11:34:33am

re: #112 lawhawk

And in Texas, in particular, they are easily able to get a favorable judge who will enforce their bigotry via an injunction while it heads to the religious zealots on the Fifth Circuit, who will happily affirm the decision.

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Barefoot Grin  May 3, 2022 • 11:36:58am

re: #115 Mike Lamb

The far more logical possibility is that it was leaked by Alito or someone already ready to sign on to Alito’s opinion.

I was persuaded by the Yale professor who clerked at SCOTUS (upthread, but can’t remember name) who laid out the incentives. While not rejecting the possibility that it may have been a clerk for a dissenting judge, convincingly explained that such a clerk, if discovered, would likely nearly blow up his or her future career whereas a clerk for a conservative would—as you suggest—lock in the other four to Alito’s decision and in the conservative world would be haled as a hero.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 11:37:10am

re: #111 No Malarkey!

It definitely won’t burn out, because the closure of abortion clinics in most of the country won’t start until this summer.

I had asked this morning when this would be finalized. Friend here says end of term in June, normally. If so many thousands of innocents are in mortal peril, where is the theocrats’ sense of urgency?

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dharmamark  May 3, 2022 • 11:37:11am

re: #113 stpaulbear

She’s horrible. Can’t hardly spit out a question.

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 11:37:16am

We are going to see mind numbing takes like, “Is it really a bad thing to allow the states to regulate local matters like abortion or marriage? Let each state be a laboratory of democracy!”

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weststpaulbear  May 3, 2022 • 11:37:31am

re: #78 Hecuba’s daughter

Think of yourself as Susan Collins and FedEx as Brett Kavanaugh ////

Youtube Video

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 11:37:37am
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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 11:39:56am

re: #59 No Malarkey!

Republican judges, nominated by a Republican President, and confirmed by Republican Senators. Quit raging about Ginsburg, or Manchin, or Sinema or any other Democrat. The message has to be that the Republicans did this, and the only way for American voters to protect their rights is to vote for Democrats. The only way.

Even “less than ideal” ones

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ckkatz  May 3, 2022 • 11:40:13am

The discussion on the Kavanaugh hearings and Collin’s reassurances then, and her comments now, reminded me of this quote. It originally was about the Soviets. But it fits here quite well:

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 3, 2022 • 11:40:19am

re: #112 lawhawk

Yeah, all these right wing lunatics claiming that there was a law violated here.

Unless it was obtained by someone hacking Alito’s computer, there’s nothing but general decorum and history that indicates that we don’t see draft rulings before the final decisions are issued. No crimes here.

And it is all a distraction from the contents of the draft, which is horrific for what it portends for a whole raft of civil and voting rights. It’s got its sights set on all the privacy rights, including Obergefell, and we will see right wingers in Texas and Florida moving to invalidate gay marriages under the abortion decision, knowing that the federal courts will flow to a Supreme Court that’s already signaled its intent to shred those rights.

And this is why I’m glad I married Robyn up in Canada. If they do go after SSM, the worst they can do to me is not recognize our marriage here in the States. And if they do overturn SSM, I can see a bunch of red States (Idaho for one) passing laws to make any SSM performed in the State null and void.

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Barefoot Grin  May 3, 2022 • 11:40:36am

re: #122 No Malarkey!

We are going to see mind numbing takes like, “Is it really a bad thing to allow the states to regulate local matters like abortion or marriage? Let each state be a laboratory of democracy!”

I have a cousin (I’ve mentioned before—his best friend from college is Ben Sasse) who said this to me in 2016 at a family reunion. I tried to explain that people need protections from just this scenario; few can afford to just pick up and move to states that allow certain procedures. He furled his brow (he’s extremely wealthy).

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 11:42:09am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

During the Kavanaugh hearings, the GOP kept on top of things and turned it into a he-said-she-said, innocent-until-proven-guilty shouting match, which missed the point.

Kavanaugh was not on trial for his past actions, they did not need to proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The point of the hearings (which got lost in the din) was whether he had the qualifications - and the character - to be granted a lifetime appointment to America’s highest judicial body.

Had anybody been paying attention to anything except the dick-waggling, beer-drinking stories, it would of become clear that he was not up to the standards of the office he was seeking

He was gonna be confirmed
No matter what
They had the votes
The rest was theater
Didn’t matter that it was unscripted

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 11:43:02am

re: #67 No Malarkey!

Confirmed the judges because they knew they were lying.

Because it didn’t matter if they were lying or not

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Barefoot Grin  May 3, 2022 • 11:44:59am

AOC isn’t suffering fools in either party. She dumped on Sinema for blocking filibuster reform and here she goes after Collins and Murkowski:

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 11:45:19am

re: #70 Punish Domestic Terrorists

It’s a good day to listen to music.

Or to sit on the front stoop waiting for a FedEx truck

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 11:45:45am

re: #110 ckkatz

Since the VRA and CRA passed, Democrats have been lucky just to hold things still. Whites have been so racist, and males so sexist, that it’s been impossible to get major rights legislation through our government. Major rights victories have come from the courts. But all of that, and I mean both legislative and judicial, can be undone by one court.

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Mattand  May 3, 2022 • 11:47:25am

re: #102 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

You’re talking about someone who spent endless time registering democrats and advocating for democrats in his firetruck red state and across the border where it looked like having better effect, through the Obama and DT years. He’ll do it again (is doing it now) for the midterms.

And he thinks Clinton and Lewinsky share some of the blame for the situation the country is in. Deal with it.

Ummm, no.

It’s a stupid fucking take. I appreciate the hard work you’re saying he’s done and I’m sure he’s a great person, but it’s still a stupid fucking take that, at best, both-sides every shitty thing Republicans and the religious right wing have done to bring us to this point.

At best.

You may want to take your own advice.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 11:48:53am

re: #131 Barefoot Grin

AOC isn’t suffering fools in either party. She dumped on Sinema for blocking filibuster reform and here she goes after Collins and Murkowski:

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 11:50:38am

re: #131 Barefoot Grin

AOC isn’t suffering fools in either party. She dumped on Sinema for blocking filibuster reform and here she goes after Collins and Murkowski:

Its such a joke. Anybody paying attention knew when Barrett was confirmed that Roe was a dead letter. I said here that it was only a matter of months before there would be no abortion clinics left across great swaths of the country. The only question is how will the pro-choice majority in this country react? The voters have it within their power to elect enough Democratic Senators to waive the filibuster rule and pass a national pro-choice act, if enough of them turn out to vote.

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Dr. Matt  May 3, 2022 • 11:50:42am

re: #131 Barefoot Grin

” isn Murkowski voted for Amy Coney Barrett when Trump himself proclaimed that he was appointing justices specifically to overturn Roe”. i:

Dotard cares as much about turning over Roe as much as he cares about weight loss, rule of law, and monogamy. It was nothing but a pathetic political ploy to placate the mouth breathing scum in his base.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 11:51:22am

re: #89 ckkatz
This part especially!

..

. Robert’s has lost control of things and realizes his name is going down next to Taney as the most despicable court in US history.

.

As chief, Roberts was in over his head from day one. His vision for his legacy was toast before he began.

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calochortus  May 3, 2022 • 11:51:50am

If the preservation of life trumps bodily autonomy, I look forward to the mandatory blood and bone marrow donations we’ll all be making.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 11:52:00am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 11:52:05am

re: #111 No Malarkey!

It definitely won’t burn out, because the closure of abortion clinics in most of the country won’t start until this summer.

And special legislative sessions in some states start to outlaw abortion. Which will happen this summer, or at least before election day in November.

I hope that this will turn out the young vote, which is normally low in the non-Presidential elections.

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gocart mozart  May 3, 2022 • 11:52:10am
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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 11:53:55am

re: #103 Eclectic Cyborg

This right here.

R before country

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 11:55:00am

Once the decision does officially drop, there will be a race by Republican governors in who can first outlaw abortions.

So Abbott, DeSantis, etc. will all try to call whatever special legislative sessions under the guise of the emergency to protect the unborn.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 11:55:08am

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Once again, Roberts thinks SCOTUS has some sort of right to privacy

Where does the constitution say that?

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 11:55:09am

re: #142 gocart mozart

The homophobes won’t be fooled by that. I will be surprised if a state doesn’t enact test legislation to ban same-sex marriage this year. In fact, I believe Tennessee was already working on it.

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jimmyvluv4u  May 3, 2022 • 11:56:29am

re: #144 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Bans are going to go into effect immediately as soon as the decision drops, they’ve been planning for this for years and already have them on the books.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 11:56:40am

re: #146 No Malarkey!

The homophobes won’t be fooled by that. I will be surprised if a state doesn’t enact test legislation to ban same-sex marriage this year. In fact, I believe Tennessee was already working on it.

If not, ALEC will have boilerplate ready as needed.

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 11:57:43am

re: #144 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Once the decision does officially drop, there will be a race by Republican governors in who can first outlaw abortions.

So Abbott, DeSantis, etc. will all try to call whatever special legislative sessions under the guise of the emergency to protect the unborn.

Most of these states have trigger laws in place which will automatically ban abortion when the decision drops. Kentucky’s trigger law is absolute: no abortons except to save the life of the mother, and if you are a doctor, you better be damn sure the woman is about to die, because a zealous prosecutor is going to try to put you in prison if you perform an abortion.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 12:01:36pm

re: #149 No Malarkey!

Are not many bans constructed around making onerous conditions on abortion providers, such as having admissions at a hospital within so many miles, or about women needing to jump through endless hoops?

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ckkatz  May 3, 2022 • 12:02:39pm

re: #133 Belafon

Since the VRA and CRA passed, Democrats have been lucky just to hold things still. Whites have been so racist, and males so sexist, that it’s been impossible to get major rights legislation through our government. Major rights victories have come from the courts. But all of that, and I mean both legislative and judicial, can be undone by one court.

I’m working with about 4 hours sleep, so I think I’ll just throw out a couple of ideas flitting around in my head and let you see if they can kind of fit together.

1. I don’t think that either of us is up for mass murder. So for whatever the flaws these folks have, they are basically what we’ve got to work with. And we somehow need to figure out how to convince them that they prefer our approach.

2. Earlier someone posted that two nationally prominent Democrats were assholes. Which could easily be quite true.

But my thought on seeing that comment was: “But, dammit, they are our assholes! And until we can invent a better asshole, that’s all we have!”

Then I thought maybe that didn’t quite come out the way it was meant.

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 12:03:53pm

re: #150 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Are not many bans constructed around making onerous conditions on abortion providers, such as having admissions at a hospital within so many miles, or about women needing to jump through endless hoops?

I haven’t researched the trigger laws in other states, but I bet most of them just outright ban abortion, since they don’t have to go through the pretense of “protecting the woman’s health” if Roe is invalid.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 12:04:49pm

re: #150 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Are not many bans constructed around making onerous conditions on abortion providers, such as having admissions at a hospital within so many miles, or about women needing to jump through endless hoops?

Those are the current bans. The trigger bans being discussed in this thread are outright bans. As in, read literally, “Abortions shall not be performed in this state for any reason, at any time.”

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 12:06:48pm

re: #138 Dangerman


This part especially!

As chief, Roberts was in over his head from day one. His vision for his legacy was toast before he began.

All he could see was “black people bad, except maybe Thomas” and wanted to fix that. After that, he didn’t know what to do.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  May 3, 2022 • 12:07:28pm

re: #134 Mattand

Ummm, no.

It’s a stupid fucking take. I appreciate the hard work you’re saying he’s done and I’m sure he’s a great person, but it’s still a stupid fucking take that, at best, both-sides every shitty thing Republicans and the religious right wing have done to bring us to this point.

At best.

You may want to take your own advice.

Nope. If he works for dems and votes for dems, he can think what he wants about individuals. Also, who the fuck cares? Whether Bill and Monica did or did not add to the troubles of the dems is not a big deal, particularly after decades. (I don’t think much of adulterers, just to be clear, but I have other things to worry about.)

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 12:07:31pm

re: #151 ckkatz

I’m working with about 4 hours sleep, so I think I’ll just throw out a couple of ideas flitting around in my head and let you see if they can kind of fit together.

1. I don’t think that either of us is up for mass murder. So for whatever the flaws these folks have, they are basically what we’ve got to work with. And we somehow need to figure out how to convince them that they prefer our approach.

2. Earlier someone posted that two nationally prominent Democrats were assholes. Which could easily be quite true.

But my thought on seeing that comment was: “But, dammit, they are our assholes! And until we can invent a better asshole, that all we have!”

My second thought was that maybe it didn’t quite come out the way it was meant.

Heh. No one loves a peace-maker. Get some sleep, and dream of a delightful world where Monica Lewinsky is a nationally prominent Dem.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 3, 2022 • 12:08:34pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

See. This is not helping. This is exactly what I mean.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 12:09:32pm

re: #151 ckkatz

I’m working with about 4 hours sleep, so I think I’ll just throw out a couple of ideas flitting around in my head and let you see if they can kind of fit together.

1. I don’t think that either of us is up for mass murder. So for whatever the flaws these folks have, they are basically what we’ve got to work with. And we somehow need to figure out how to convince them that they prefer our approach.

2. Earlier someone posted that two nationally prominent Democrats were assholes. Which could easily be quite true.

But my thought on seeing that comment was: “But, dammit, they are our assholes! And until we can invent a better asshole, that all we have!”

My second thought was that maybe it didn’t quite come out the way it was meant.

Whatever you thought I was trying to say, I will say I agree with this. just adding my own interpretation of history.

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A Cranky One  May 3, 2022 • 12:14:59pm

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DodgerFan1988  May 3, 2022 • 12:17:12pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 12:19:54pm

I wonder how many young people think like this one:

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 12:22:08pm

re: #161 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Troll with a rush-job script.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 12:23:05pm

re: #161 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I wonder how many young people think like this one:

Not as many as Payton hopes. “I’m pro abortion, but also pro-segregation, pro-homophobe, and support those who hate Jews and immigrants” is the message he’s sending.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 3, 2022 • 12:23:07pm

Just a brief reminder: 4 of the 7 justices who voted for Roe were appointed by Republicans. The Republican Party was instrumental in passing the CRA and the VRA. This was a very different GOP from the one today; back then the Federalist Society wasn’t poisoning every GOP judge and every GOP court decision

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A Cranky One  May 3, 2022 • 12:23:08pm

I guess this is worth a repost.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 12:23:49pm

So I discovered that Panera makes a “baked potato soup” and I thought that sounds kind of weird but I tried some and it was actually pretty good. Because it has BACON.

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(((Archangel1)))  May 3, 2022 • 12:24:03pm

So on top of being a terrible human being & a shitty excuse for a Jewish man, Ben is additionally either a horrible excuse for a gay man, crappy at punctuation, or both.
I’d congratulate him on leaving the closet, but the LGBT+ community would likely be happy to see the schmuck head back inside.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 12:24:19pm

re: #164 Hecuba’s daughter

Just a brief reminder: 4 of the 7 justices who voted for Roe were appointed by Republicans. The Republican Party was instrumental in passing the CRA and the VRA. This was a very different GOP from the one today; back then the Federalist Society wasn’t poisoning every GOP judge and every GOP court decision

And a good cigar was a nickle.

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Barefoot Grin  May 3, 2022 • 12:26:31pm

re: #167 (((Archangel1)))

So on top of being a terrible human being & a shitty excuse for a Jewish man, Ben is additionally either a horrible excuse for a gay man, crappy at punctuation, or both.
I’d congratulate him on leaving the closet, but the LGBT+ community would likely be happy to see the schmuck head back inside.

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He can’t imagine this scenario:

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 12:27:32pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

So I discovered that Panera makes a “baked potato soup” and I thought that sounds kind of weird but I tried some and it was actually pretty good. Because it has BACON.

Bacon makes everything better. EVERYTHING.

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William Lewis  May 3, 2022 • 12:28:34pm

Another important thing to remember

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 12:28:41pm

re: #161 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I wonder how many young people think like this one:

Joined Twitter on April 21, 2022. Very likely a troll pretending to be liberal.

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 12:29:22pm

re: #167 (((Archangel1)))

So on top of being a terrible human being & a shitty excuse for a Jewish man, Ben is additionally either a horrible excuse for a gay man, crappy at punctuation, or both.
I’d congratulate him on leaving the closet, but the LGBT+ community would likely be happy to see the schmuck head back inside.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 12:29:47pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

Joined Twitter on April 21, 2022. Very likely a troll pretending to be liberal.

Possibly, yes.

Disinformation will be at an increasingly high level. I expect full on information warfare to be cranked up to 10.

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EPR-radar  May 3, 2022 • 12:30:02pm

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

During the Kavanaugh hearings, the GOP kept on top of things and turned it into a he-said-she-said, innocent-until-proven-guilty shouting match, which missed the point.

Kavanaugh was not on trial for his past actions, they did not need to proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The point of the hearings (which got lost in the din) was whether he had the qualifications - and the character - to be granted a lifetime appointment to America’s highest judicial body.

Had anybody been paying attention to anything except the dick-waggling, beer-drinking stories, it would of become clear that he was not up to the standards of the office he was seeking

I remain convinced that the leak of the rape allegations vs. Judge beer was GOP ratfucking done to distract away from Judge Beer’s shady finances.

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William Lewis  May 3, 2022 • 12:32:07pm

re: #175 EPR-radar

I remain convinced that the leak of the rape allegations vs. Judge beer was GOP ratfucking done to distract away from Judge Beer’s shady finances.

Certainly. Just like the GOP leaked about Anita Hill to distract from the fact that Thomas is utterly incompetent.

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ckkatz  May 3, 2022 • 12:33:49pm
178
Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 12:34:27pm

re: #161 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I wonder how many young people think like this one:

I wouldn’t make excuses for that deeply dishonest Republican.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 12:37:43pm
180
Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 3, 2022 • 12:37:49pm

Someone poster earlier about Ragnarok Lobster throwing shade at Warren. Well, here you go.

181
The Pie Overlord!  May 3, 2022 • 12:38:08pm
182
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 12:38:08pm

Another new outlet tries to make the news about leaking documents rather than the substance of the ruling:

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Eventual Carrion  May 3, 2022 • 12:39:10pm

re: #177 ckkatz

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Ahh yes, cussing like a sailor.

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darthstar  May 3, 2022 • 12:42:11pm

So that idiot climbing Salesforce tower is apparently some anti-choice nutjob looking for donations. I never wanted to see someone fail to make it as much as I do now.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 12:43:06pm

re: #180 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Someone poster earlier about Ragnarok Lobster throwing shade at Warren. Well, here you go.

Someone needs to reply to him that we predicted this nonsense from him a few hours ago.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 12:43:59pm

re: #182 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Another new outlet tries to make the news about leaking documents rather than the substance of the ruling:

187
Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 12:44:03pm

re: #182 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Another new outlet tries to make the news about leaking documents rather than the substance of the ruling:

Their credibility was completely shattered when they started issuing shadow docket rulings.

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wrenchwench  May 3, 2022 • 12:45:09pm

re: #187 Belafon

Their credibility was completely shattered when they started issuing shadow docket rulings.

Another thing to distract from.

189
The Pie Overlord!  May 3, 2022 • 12:45:42pm
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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 12:47:16pm

re: #180 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Someone poster earlier about Ragnarok Lobster throwing shade at Warren. Well, here you go.

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weststpaulbear  May 3, 2022 • 12:50:34pm
192
JC1  May 3, 2022 • 12:52:52pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

So I discovered that Panera makes a “baked potato soup” and I thought that sounds kind of weird but I tried some and it was actually pretty good. Because it has BACON.

It tastes so good because it’s got like a million calories and a ton of salt.

193
A Cranky One  May 3, 2022 • 12:55:09pm

re: #192 JC1

Don’t make negative comments about meat candy.

Unless it has pineapple on it.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 12:55:10pm
195
No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 12:57:10pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 12:58:10pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

FOREIGN law! Foreign LAW!

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EPR-radar  May 3, 2022 • 12:58:58pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

I bet Alito has had large chunks of this putrid opinion written up for years, just waiting for a chance to make it law with 5 SCOTUS votes.

198
Mike Lamb  May 3, 2022 • 12:59:14pm

re: #169 Barefoot Grin

He can’t imagine this scenario:

It’s only a slippery slope if it’s a progressive issue.

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 1:01:00pm

Could this turn Tucker against Putin or naw.

200
Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 1:01:46pm
201
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 1:02:47pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

And here I’ve been saying for years they wanted to go back to the 18th century. Never occurred that it actually is the 17th century.

202
mmmirele  May 3, 2022 • 1:04:17pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

This woman is such a liar.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 3, 2022 • 1:05:43pm

Thread. 5 tweets.

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Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 1:05:50pm

Now don’t you lie to me too, FedEx.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 1:05:51pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

aitIb0E4eEJPdDRGbEY0RlVETXJ6RkxFUVpPWTkrbnk4Y3pDT0VnTG5GcnlTSndJa3VSS0dRaU9oSmFRT2FmZ25ZdXhjd1ZrZUpYSEJuRS9NeDh0SDVGS0Q0VmVmSi9PNVZQbVdtVDNXNU8yaldRcmJxQlVpL0hSQkZiM0pqQVBxd3pPb0RnaTdsc3JheC9NS2hLRUN5eDcwckFOVll5U0Z1TndIYWVlWU8wPTo6R7d2YaqClDlR60kGV23Pog==

17th century was wild compared to today.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 1:08:37pm

re: #205 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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17th century was wild compared to today.

Better music, too.

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weststpaulbear  May 3, 2022 • 1:09:18pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

Youtube Video

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William Lewis  May 3, 2022 • 1:09:20pm

re: #192 JC1

It tastes so good because it’s got like a million calories and a ton of salt.

Which is, of course, the whole thing behind bacon - tons of fat and tons of sodium. Our bodies are evolved to crave those because they were rare on the African savanna. Now they’re our downfall.

The rest of our evolved omnivorous diet - fruit, veggies, nuts, legumes and lean meat - is much more healthy for us.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 1:09:39pm

re: #202 mmmirele

Her whole thread is packed with lies.

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Dr. Matt  May 3, 2022 • 1:09:41pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

Now don’t you lie to me too, FedEx.

[Embedded content]

FedEx is awful….especially for home delivery. If I’m forced to use fedex, I always (when possible) have the package delivered to a FedEx store and then pick it up myself. I feel your pain.

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William Lewis  May 3, 2022 • 1:15:08pm

SO I got to cancel Century Link today. The T-Mobile gadget is wonderful. I’ve gotten up to 98 mbps down & 26 mbps UP (!) on it (that’s faster than CL was down) and it’s been rock solid stable.

Of course half the fun was “why are you cancelling?” - slow & crappy service, down more often than up and way overpriced.”

:D

212
William Lewis  May 3, 2022 • 1:15:58pm

re: #210 Dr. Matt

FedEx is awful….especially for home delivery. If I’m forced to use fedex, I always (when possible) have the package delivered to a FedEx store and then pick it up myself. I feel your pain.

I hate FedEx almost as much as UPS. For everything I have a choice on, USPS all the way.

213
Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 1:16:05pm

Houston, the iMac has landed.

214
retired cynic  May 3, 2022 • 1:17:24pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

Houston, the iMac has landed.

Fireworks!

215
A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  May 3, 2022 • 1:17:31pm

re: #210 Dr. Matt

FedEx is awful….especially for home delivery. If I’m forced to use fedex, I always (when possible) have the package delivered to a FedEx store and then pick it up myself. I feel your pain.

I think it varies by location. I’ve always had pretty good luck with FedEx (and trouble with UPS). On the other hand, a friend of mine in another state has endless trouble with FedEx and smooth sailing with UPS.

My recent computer purchase was sent by FedEx overnight from New Hampshire to CA. Except that I had to sit in the hall waiting for the delivery (1/2 hour or so) because for some reason my name isn’t listed in the electronic directory (ordinarily I don’t mind, or I’d get it in there).

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weststpaulbear  May 3, 2022 • 1:20:07pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

Houston, the iMac has landed.

Hope it’s what you ordered.
/

217
A Cranky One  May 3, 2022 • 1:20:28pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

Houston, the iMac has landed.

Now all you need is more bacon and life will be good!

218
Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 1:20:59pm

re: #215 A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!

I think it varies by location. I’ve always had pretty good luck with FedEx (and trouble with UPS). On the other hand, a friend of mine in another state has endless trouble with FedEx and smooth sailing with UPS.

My recent computer purchase was sent by FedEx overnight from New Hampshire to CA. Except that I had to sit in the hall waiting for the delivery (1/2 hour or so) because for some reason my name isn’t listed in the electronic directory (ordinarily I don’t mind, or I’d get it in there).

FedEx almost certainly means a failed delivery here, and driving to a FedEx location, while UPS can manage to deliver every time. If FedEx is the only shipping option, I have to want something really badly to be willing to put up with FedEx.

219
Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 1:21:52pm

Earlier today—

Visiting Dog: “Bark, bark”

Me: “Here’s the package from the porch.”

Wife: “That’s your Father’s Day present. We’ll just put that away for now.”

Alexa: “Your Amazon iPad package has arrived.”

220
sagehen  May 3, 2022 • 1:23:45pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

Houston, the iMac has landed.

Youtube Video

221
Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 1:26:18pm

Apple packaging is always part of the fun.

222
Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 1:29:01pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

Houston, the iMac has landed.

Pics or it didn’t happen. ;)

223
Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 1:29:56pm

re: #209 Punish Domestic Terrorists

When Roe was handed down, Twitter and the Internet as we know it did not exist, nor did the 24/7 cesspool we know as Fox News.

224
darthstar  May 3, 2022 • 1:31:47pm
225
carey94tt  May 3, 2022 • 1:32:38pm

re: #210 Dr. Matt

re: #210 Dr. Matt

FedEx is awful….especially for home delivery. If I’m forced to use fedex, I always (when possible) have the package delivered to a FedEx store and then pick it up myself. I feel your pain.

Can confirm. FedEx just doesn’t care much about home delivery. They cannot tell the difference between Dogwood Trl and Dogwood Dr. Long story with an unhappy ending. Many packages were lost. If it is FedEx delivery, will not order.

226
darthstar  May 3, 2022 • 1:33:33pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

Apple packaging is always part of the fun.

[Embedded content]

Nice box.

227
Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 1:34:04pm

This computer is unbelievably light.

228
Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 1:34:22pm
229
Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 1:34:37pm

re: #224 darthstar

Seems to be something very serious about Ukrainians.

230
William Lewis  May 3, 2022 • 1:40:07pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

Seems to be something very serious about Ukrainians.

We could do with some of their attitude about now…

231
Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 1:40:47pm

re: #230 William Lewis

We could do with some of their attitude about now…

Hope we don’t find out.

232
William Lewis  May 3, 2022 • 1:45:42pm

Ok, if your day wasn’t weird enough, here’s a new trailer for you…

Youtube Video

233
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 1:50:30pm

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

But pulpits existed. And there was outrage. Coming on the heels of the 1960’s and all that entailed, Roe v. Wade was tinder in the furnace of the right-wing.

234
William Lewis  May 3, 2022 • 1:50:44pm
235
Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 1:50:48pm

re: #232 William Lewis

Ok, if your day wasn’t weird enough, here’s a new trailer for you…

[Embedded content]

Video

That was…different. Not sure I agree with the casting, but I’ll give it a chance.

236
William Lewis  May 3, 2022 • 1:52:22pm

re: #235 Eclectic Cyborg

That was…different. Not sure I agree with the casting, but I’ll give it a chance.

One thing I love about him is that he is utterly unafraid to do very different things.

237
The Reverend Sam Hill  May 3, 2022 • 1:53:55pm

Q. What is the difference between Ukrainians and Democrats?
A. Ukrainians understand that the heavily armed RWNJs are at war with them.

238
darthstar  May 3, 2022 • 1:59:23pm

Have to say I suspected this was the case.

239
darthstar  May 3, 2022 • 2:01:44pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

Seems to be something very serious about Ukrainians.

No shortage of uplifting stories from these people that’s for sure.

240
gocart mozart  May 3, 2022 • 2:03:27pm

Norm Pattis, former civil rights attorney and current Alex Jones shill, decided to do some standup where he uses all types offensive slurs including the n-word to make some sort of point about “cancel culture’ or some shit.

Here is an editorial by the Connecticut Law Journal denouncing him law.com

and here is the standup (Carlin would cringe)

Youtube Video

241
Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 2:04:11pm

Per some very sketchy Intertube sites there are more USSC deliberation leaks in CNN hands.

242
Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 2:05:08pm
243
Egregious Philbin  May 3, 2022 • 2:11:26pm

re: #211 William Lewis

I have been waiting for Verizon’s 5g to be available at my house, so I can dump Cox. Me and the Missus and her son are all on her Verizon plan now for phones. Tmobile is available for us, but we would have to do all that PITA switchover….

244
Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 2:14:34pm
245
Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 2:20:22pm
246
No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 2:29:21pm

The NYT is now both sidesing the war.

247
Charles Johnson  May 3, 2022 • 2:34:46pm

Wow, the iMac’s 4.5K display is every bit as beautiful as they said it was. Just gorgeous.

248
Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 2:38:32pm

Tfg just lost an effort at an appeals court to stay a contempt order from a New York judge, and as a result still owes a fine of $10,000 per day, CNBC reports.

249
darthstar  May 3, 2022 • 2:41:26pm

Trump’s motion to stay contempt order DENIED. He’s on the hook for $10,000 a day.

250
darthstar  May 3, 2022 • 2:42:35pm

re: #248 Dangerman

Tfg just lost an effort at an appeals court to stay a contempt order from a New York judge, and as a result still owes a fine of $10,000 per day, CNBC reports.

He won’t be able to afford that for very long. His disposable cash supply won’t sustain it.

251
Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 2:42:49pm
In a video interview, Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) said it “may be true” that vaccines against COVID-19 cause AIDS, the Wisconsin Examiner reports.

….

He added: “You’ve got more than a hundred doctors here, all of whom will tell you that these shots caused vaccine-induced AIDS. they purposefully gave people AIDS. They knew this

dick

252
darthstar  May 3, 2022 • 2:43:19pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

Wow, the iMac’s 4.5K display is every bit as beautiful as they said it was. Just gorgeous.

And it came in a nice box.

253
Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 2:43:38pm

re: #250 darthstar

He won’t be able to afford that for very long. His disposable cash supply won’t sustain it.

A billionaire like him?
Say it ain’t so

254
JC1  May 3, 2022 • 2:43:55pm

re: #238 darthstar

Have to say I suspected this was the case.

[Embedded content]

Possible, but the analysis in that isn’t all that useful or conclusive. I haven’t seen that account post anything obviously misleading, and the only fundraising links it posted were to known actual good orgs in Ukraine.
On a few occasions the account scooped info that hours later was reported by other reputable sources.
4 different people supposedly have access to the account.

255
Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 2:45:49pm

re: #252 darthstar

And it came in a nice box.

Someone say box?

256
mmmirele  May 3, 2022 • 2:46:08pm

re: #201 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

And here I’ve been saying for years they wanted to go back to the 18th century. Never occurred that it actually is the 17th century.

They’ve been jonesing for those Wars of Religion the Founding Fathers kept us out of.

257
Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2022 • 2:46:09pm

fun times

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 2:52:57pm

re: #250 darthstar

He won’t be able to afford that for very long. His disposable cash supply won’t sustain it.

No, but he’ll no doubt hold out on paying for as long as possible.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 2:53:50pm

re: #251 Dangerman

dick

That’s more than being a dick. He consistently acts like he’s being paid by Putin to undermine America. If he’s not being paid, he’s working for Putin for free.

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nines09  May 3, 2022 • 2:56:29pm

VmlRNjM3Nk42OEtyRXZPMnd1b1laNmYvb2lyc0dXOEl1M0gvRC9tVmdnbUJKUG5RaW5DYXlRMmN0RGxGSEdiS2UrRmxMcjIxRU0rcnNKS0J4ekZJdm1PMUhaU2JUeFlWWURoUkNJdnpRcWN4Ymh1dnFVK3R3SlhKZFVqNklSWXd2ZFJ1SFV0VllnZ1MrVlhNcmJDclkyRHJPRDJkRVczeDhoK0JvL0lkN0dQVlNCK0g5ZzBneHR1WmNnRGgzZm41dnlwbWRPWStPajdld1hSdXZXTzhCVkVoVTNWT3dZNi9GeGdmc3BwNkhDc0VZTzMwYmJBZXZzVmxxYmVQcHFzK2poMHJHRnlUanNjN0QzeklXUDJSekd5QTRjS2hUeCtjaFFqc2RZenNIMWFod3pHMXZSRmZDbnhiMnZISlV1UThTYkxET0FiTE5lcE42bmVod1NRTHpEbHE0azFUaVpqQ2huK1FzLzhWbkxsK0NIdEMvZnRJTTVoUHRsaC84TzNWcWpYZDRnTmNSUUZyVGE3Yy9yNUF0Q09scVgyRzN6WVczMWxXdEhWNjEycVlQQm1NK1hTU0M0NGJrYWdRWUF0QzJhdFhhaW5sKzA3bW5oTWtaQnBDTHFsOG1GVXUzU0lkS05xdUx5WlJCbHM9Ojr7wWRSC1th/QVEEnZNhvJ6

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darthstar  May 3, 2022 • 3:00:46pm

re: #254 JC1

Possible, but the analysis in that isn’t all that useful or conclusive. I haven’t seen that account post anything obviously misleading, and the only fundraising links it posted were to known actual good orgs in Ukraine.
On a few occasions the account scooped info that hours later was reported by other reputable sources.
4 different people supposedly have access to the account.

He’s more of a straight up cheerleader - I don’t mind his posts. I just doubt that he’s everywhere he says he is.


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