Seth Meyers: Trump Held in Contempt, Endorses Nonexistent Person Named “JD Mandel”

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Have I mentioned how much I appreciate that Seth Meyers isn’t wearing a suit lately?

Because suits are bad. They just are.

Seth takes a closer look at a judge ruling that Trump will remain in contempt of court after failing to comply with a subpoena in a fraud investigation as more bombshell text messages emerged implicating more GOP members of Congress in the attempted coup on January 6.

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Ace Rothstein  May 2, 2022 • 7:49:23pm

Hey Sam, there’s nothing in the constitution about women voting either.

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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 7:51:02pm
Because suits are bad. They just are

With the necktie as the worst aspect.

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Ace Rothstein  May 2, 2022 • 7:52:39pm

A lot of Republican women have had abortions.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 2, 2022 • 7:54:57pm

Still find it hard to believe that a USSC decision was leaked. I was under the impression that only the justices and some interns (who do the clerical work) even have access to drafts.

Do you think one of the justices wanted it to leaked, assuming it is real?

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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 7:55:26pm

I went through the annoying reporting process for this one. ‘Abusive behavior’ includes ‘denial of mass-casualty events’.

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Ace Rothstein  May 2, 2022 • 7:58:57pm

A lot of Republican women will continue to have abortions.

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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 8:00:10pm

re: #6 Ace Rothstein

A lot of Republican women will continue to have abortions.

IOKIYR

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TarHellion  May 2, 2022 • 8:00:27pm

re: #6 Ace Rothstein

Having “menstrual’ problems. D and C - problems solved! That’s how it was in the pre-Roe past!

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William Lewis  May 2, 2022 • 8:00:48pm

re: #6 Ace Rothstein

A lot of Republican women will continue to have abortions.

Well of course. It was never about _them_ only about keeping poor women in their place.

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TarHellion  May 2, 2022 • 8:01:25pm

re: #9 William Lewis

And making sure only the “right” people were having - gasp - SEX!

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jaunte  May 2, 2022 • 8:01:31pm
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Ace Rothstein  May 2, 2022 • 8:01:38pm

A lot of poor women are going to die.

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mmmirele  May 2, 2022 • 8:02:35pm

re: #4 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Still find it hard to believe that a USSC decision was leaked. I was under the impression that only the justices and some interns (who do the clerical work) even have access to drafts.

Do you think one of the justices wanted it to leaked, assuming it is real?

Maybe a clerk (aka “intern”) leaked it. I’ve seen an analysis already, and it appears to be a legit draft. But it’s from February. So I don’t know. I’ve been telling the gleeful that even if Roe is overturned, women will still get abortions.

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TarHellion  May 2, 2022 • 8:03:21pm

re: #12 Ace Rothstein

Unfortunately, you are right. And the ones that do not die will be butchered to the point of death.

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Ace Rothstein  May 2, 2022 • 8:04:01pm

re: #14 TarHellion

Unfortunately, you are right. And the ones that do not die will be butchered to the point of death.

I take no pleasure in it.

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Ace Rothstein  May 2, 2022 • 8:04:33pm

One of Reagan’s people once said that the goal was never to overturn Roe. It was to placate the religious zealots and have them keep voting Republican.

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sagehen  May 2, 2022 • 8:04:54pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

I went through the annoying reporting process for this one. ‘Abusive behavior’ includes ‘denial of mass-casualty events’.

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the Reich didn’t build gas chambers the first 8 years they were in power either. The Wannsee Conference was 1942.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 2, 2022 • 8:05:14pm
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JC1  May 2, 2022 • 8:06:15pm

re: #9 William Lewis

Well of course. It was never about _them_ only about keeping poor women in their place.

It wasn’t even about that. Abortion was was just the only wedge issue that kept the religious crazies motivated. I’m guessing that a lot of GOP strategists are panicking tonight.

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Ace Rothstein  May 2, 2022 • 8:06:30pm

Susan Collins is one stupid bitch.

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Belafon  May 2, 2022 • 8:07:22pm

re: #20 Ace Rothstein

Susan Collins is one stupid bitch.

Susan Collins is a dutiful wife with all that implies.

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mmmirele  May 2, 2022 • 8:07:57pm

re: #12 Ace Rothstein

A lot of poor women are going to die.

I was going to say that is likely not to be the case, because of antibiotics. Many women who would have died of infection in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s were saved by antibiotics, although the damage to their bodies could not be undone. (I actually read a report years ago pointing out that the number of deaths due to botched abortions dropped dramatically from the 1920s onward as penicillin and other antibiotics became available.) But in the ~50 years since Roe, a lot of antibiotics have become less useful. We may be going back to before antibiotics, when an infection could kill you.

That said, abortions will be harder to get, and my long ago prediction that drug dealers were going to start selling mifepristone and misoprolol is likely to come true. You know, with the caveat that it might not be the real thing.

What a cluster. /thinks about some justices who should be pecked to death by ducks.

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jaunte  May 2, 2022 • 8:08:05pm
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EPR-radar  May 2, 2022 • 8:08:05pm

re: #16 Ace Rothstein

One of Reagan’s people once said that the goal was never to overturn Roe. It was to placate the religious zealots and have them keep voting Republican.

Roberts knows this. The other GOP justices are swivel-eyed true believers.

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EPR-radar  May 2, 2022 • 8:09:32pm

re: #20 Ace Rothstein

Susan Collins is one stupid bitch.

She knew what she was doing. So she’s a tool, not an idiot. The idiots are the pudding-brained Maine voters that voted for her as some kind of ‘moderate’.

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jaunte  May 2, 2022 • 8:10:22pm
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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 8:10:35pm

re: #17 sagehen

the Reich didn’t build gas chambers the first 8 years they were in power either. The Wannsee Conference was 1942.

Gas chambers were only one of the many means of murder put to use. A lot of people were worked to death.

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TarHellion  May 2, 2022 • 8:11:39pm

My mom saw so many who were given back-alley abortions. This in a small, Southern town pre-Roe. That women have no rights, according to this court, just stupefies me.

Perhaps Parkinson’s Putin should just go ahead and nuke us, given that we are on a course for decades of authoritarian rule.

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sagehen  May 2, 2022 • 8:12:04pm

re: #27 wrenchwench

Gas chambers were only one of the many means of murder put to use. A lot of people were worked to death.

A lot of people were shot.

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William Lewis  May 2, 2022 • 8:12:21pm

re: #22 mmmirele

I was going to say that is likely not to be the case, because of antibiotics. Many women who would have died of infection in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s were saved by antibiotics, although the damage to their bodies could not be undone. (I actually read a report years ago pointing out that the number of deaths due to botched abortions dropped dramatically from the 1920s onward as penicillin and other antibiotics became available.) But in the ~50 years since Roe, a lot of antibiotics have become less useful. We may be going back to before antibiotics, when an infection could kill you.

That said, abortions will be harder to get, and my long ago prediction that drug dealers were going to start selling mifepristone and misoprolol is likely to come true. You know, with the caveat that it might not be the real thing.

What a cluster. /thinks about some justices who should be pecked to death by ducks.

Be sure to wash down your black-market mifepristone and misoprolol with Pennyroyal tea… < spit >

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TarHellion  May 2, 2022 • 8:12:26pm

re: #21 Belafon

She is “concerned”

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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 8:13:12pm

re: #29 sagehen

A lot of people were shot.

That could be means #1.

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jaunte  May 2, 2022 • 8:15:06pm
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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 8:15:45pm

re: #30 William Lewis

Be sure to wash down your black-market mifepristone and misoprolol with Pennyroyal tea… < spit >

Pennyroyal is bad for your liver.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 2, 2022 • 8:17:42pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

I went through the annoying reporting process for this one. ‘Abusive behavior’ includes ‘denial of mass-casualty events’.

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Reported. Twitter even has a specific category for “Holocaust denial”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 2, 2022 • 8:19:09pm

Assuming the draft is truly what the decision will be, then abortion will move back to a state-by-state thing. I highly doubt that abortion will be outlawed here on the west coast. But in the hinter-lands of this continent I suspect that at least 30 states will outlaw, or try to outlaw, abortion.

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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 8:20:39pm

re: #35 The Pie Overlord!

Reported. Twitter even has a specific category for “Holocaust denial”

I saw Holocaust denial mentioned, but not as its own category. Imma hafta report more deniers and have a look around.

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TarHellion  May 2, 2022 • 8:21:08pm

Roe v Wade - OVERTURNED
Obergefell vs Hodges
Griswold vs Connecticut
Gideon v Wainwright
Loving v Virginia
Brown v Topeka Board

Which is next on the list?

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TarHellion  May 2, 2022 • 8:21:52pm

re: #36 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Wait until the national abortion ban is passed!

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William Lewis  May 2, 2022 • 8:22:07pm

re: #36 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Assuming the draft is truly what the decision will be, then abortion will move back to a state-by-state thing. I highly doubt that abortion will be outlawed here on the west coast. But in the hinter-lands of this continent I suspect that at least 30 states will outlaw, or try to outlaw, abortion.

Many won’t have to do a thing. Wisconsin’s ban was never removed from the state statutes. This drops, abortion is completely illegal here.

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mmmirele  May 2, 2022 • 8:22:27pm

re: #30 William Lewis

Be sure to wash down your black-market mifepristone and misoprolol with Pennyroyal tea… < spit >

Don’t do Pennyroyal tea. It can be poisonous. I’m *serious*.

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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 8:25:47pm

re: #36 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Assuming the draft is truly what the decision will be, then abortion will move back to a state-by-state thing. I highly doubt that abortion will be outlawed here on the west coast. But in the hinter-lands of this continent I suspect that at least 30 states will outlaw, or try to outlaw, abortion.

Some still have their law against it on the books, ready to go. New Mexico recently (a year ago) made a point of taking theirs off the books, for just such an occasion. Other states have too.

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William Lewis  May 2, 2022 • 8:26:33pm

Ok, I shouldn’t have used that example. Sorry. Just was riffing on the idea that if the drugs aren’t a sure thing, there was the old fashioned option.

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EPR-radar  May 2, 2022 • 8:26:37pm

re: #33 jaunte

One quibble here. Ending Roe v Wade is generic Republican. It is not a “party of Trump”: thing.

Trump doesn’t give a shit about abortion, and needed to be carefully coached to get even the most basic pro-life lies straight.

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EPR-radar  May 2, 2022 • 8:27:14pm

re: #38 TarHellion

Roe v Wade - OVERTURNED
Obergefell vs Hodges
Griswold vs Connecticut
Gideon v Wainwright
Loving v Virginia
Brown v Topeka Board

Which is next on the list?

Don’t forget Lawrence.

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jaunte  May 2, 2022 • 8:27:45pm
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Citizen K  May 2, 2022 • 8:28:19pm

re: #18 Punish Domestic Terrorists

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I’m pretty sure we tried this not too long ago, and, big shock, we literally didn’t have the votes to eliminate it. And considering how Manchin and Sinema keep sending touchy-feely feelers about possibly jumping ship as a response to the pressure they’ve been feeling, we may not ever have those votes without increasing margins in the Senate, something that’s already a dicey prospect because the first instinct of nearly 2/3rds of the country whenever something happens seems to be “Blame Dems, because the GOP has no agency”.

It’s extremely telling that the first instinct of so many has been to attack the Dems for not doing ‘something’, and RBG for not retiring, as if that sole decision is responsible for everything. Once again, to be a Dem in this country is to be held to blame for everything. Which is exactly why I’m hesitant to imagine a realignment happening in response to this, because way too many people want to be ‘Dems let this happen, all their fault, all their fault!!’

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jaunte  May 2, 2022 • 8:30:17pm
“You either have bodily autonomy or you do not.”

The party panicked about changing demographics now says you don’t. What will they do with their new control?

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jaunte  May 2, 2022 • 8:31:45pm
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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 8:32:29pm

re: #43 William Lewis

Ok, I shouldn’t have used that example. Sorry. Just was riffing on the idea that if the drugs aren’t a sure thing, there was the old fashioned option.

Also not a sure thing, but guaranteed toxic. Drug dealers don’t want to get caught for murder, I’d trust them more. The two drugs are sold over the counter in Mexico, and one of them by veterinarians in the US. Not gonna be hard to get. The information needs to be in the hands of all fertile people.

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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 8:34:40pm

re: #44 EPR-radar

One quibble here. Ending Roe v Wade is generic Republican. It is not a “party of Trump”: thing.

Trump doesn’t give a shit about abortion, and needed to be carefully coached to get even the most basic pro-life lies straight.

Trump is responsible for the current makeup of the court. He was told who to pick, but he picked them.

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No Malarkey!  May 2, 2022 • 8:34:48pm

re: #47 Citizen K

I’m pretty sure we tried this not too long ago, and, big shock, we literally didn’t have the votes to eliminate it. And considering how Manchin and Sinema keep sending touchy-feely feelers about possibly jumping ship as a response to the pressure they’ve been feeling, we may not ever have those votes without increasing margins in the Senate, something that’s already a dicey prospect because the first instinct of nearly 2/3rds of the country whenever something happens seems to be “Blame Dems, because the GOP has no agency”.

It’s extremely telling that the first instinct of so many has been to attack the Dems for not doing ‘something’, and RBG for not retiring, as if that sole decision is responsible for everything. Once again, to be a Dem in this country is to be held to blame for everything. Which is exactly why I’m hesitant to imagine a realignment happening in response to this, because way too many people want to be ‘Dems let this happen, all their fault, all their fault!!’

That is why the Democrats have to message well to make it clear its the Republicans fault. It will help that the Republicans will be running on making abortion illegal nationwide.

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EPR-radar  May 2, 2022 • 8:36:57pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

Trump is responsible for the current makeup of the court. He was told who to pick, but he picked them.

iMO it is a mistake to personalize too much of this shit to villains like Trump and McConnell. Ultimately Roe v. Wade is getting overturned because that has been a GOP party plank for decades, and the generic party is finally in a position to deliver on it.

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Citizen K  May 2, 2022 • 8:38:11pm

re: #52 No Malarkey!

That is why the Democrats have to message well to make it clear its the Republicans fault. It will help that the Republicans will be running on making abortion illegal nationwide.

“Message well” tends to run into the brick wall that is the mainstream media, which we’ve seen have been extremely happy to launder GOP talking points to exclusion even when Dems try the full court press.

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jaunte  May 2, 2022 • 8:38:25pm

re: #53 EPR-radar

All it took were enough Trump appointed candidates to lie under oath to the Senate.

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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 8:39:01pm

re: #53 EPR-radar

iMO it is a mistake to personalize too much of this shit to villains like Trump and McConnell. Ultimately Roe v. Wade is getting overturned because that has been a GOP party plank for decades, and the generic party is finally in a position to deliver on it.

My goal is not to personalize, my goal is to show these guys as the weapons in the hands of the fascists.

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jaunte  May 2, 2022 • 8:39:38pm
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The Pie Overlord!  May 2, 2022 • 8:43:16pm
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Targetpractice  May 2, 2022 • 8:43:46pm

re: #54 Citizen K

“Message well” tends to run into the brick wall that is the mainstream media, which we’ve seen have been extremely happy to launder GOP talking points to exclusion even when Dems try the full court press.

The media already has a cookie-cutter story to go with this news: “States rights.” Just scratch out “gay marriage” and stencil in “abortion” and the stories will be virtually the same.

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EstebanTornado1963  May 2, 2022 • 8:44:10pm

This is what happens when people are too lazy to vote

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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 8:45:54pm

re: #60 EstebanTornado1963

This is what happens when people are too lazy to vote

Laziness is probably the last thing I would attribute it to.

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EstebanTornado1963  May 2, 2022 • 8:45:55pm

Can some asshole journalist ask a republican where in the Bible it says where abortion is illegal?

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jaunte  May 2, 2022 • 8:46:19pm
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No Malarkey!  May 2, 2022 • 8:46:20pm

re: #54 Citizen K

“Message well” tends to run into the brick wall that is the mainstream media, which we’ve seen have been extremely happy to launder GOP talking points to exclusion even when Dems try the full court press.

That is why you have campaigns; to get your message out without relying on someone else to make it for you.

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Targetpractice  May 2, 2022 • 8:46:36pm

re: #58 The Pie Overlord!

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To quote a wise man: “Don’t boo. Vote.”

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EPR-radar  May 2, 2022 • 8:47:25pm

re: #55 jaunte

All it took were enough Trump appointed candidates to lie under oath to the Senate.

Again, it’s generic Republicans. Alito wrote this decision, and Thomas is on board, and their lies to the Senate about Roe being settled law were in those happy days long before we’d ever heard of Trump as a political candidate.

The message has to be that Republicans want women to be nothing more than baby dispensing appliances, not that Trump wants women to be nothing more than baby dispensing appliances.

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jaunte  May 2, 2022 • 8:48:32pm

re: #66 EPR-radar

Oh I agree. Roberts is just trying to get away with it all without leaving fingerprints.

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EstebanTornado1963  May 2, 2022 • 8:49:26pm

I fear Americans are too lazy too do the right thing. We are no Ukrainians

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Targetpractice  May 2, 2022 • 8:50:29pm

re: #64 No Malarkey!

That is why you have campaigns; to get your message out without relying on someone else to make it for you.

The counter-argument is three major news networks spending 30 minutes watching an empty podium.

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Charles Johnson  May 2, 2022 • 8:50:47pm

Fedex has punk’d me again.

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Ace Rothstein  May 2, 2022 • 8:53:08pm

Trump said on camera that there should be some kind of punishment for women who get abortions, but the BUT HER EMAILS people voted for him anyway.

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Ace Rothstein  May 2, 2022 • 8:54:07pm

Trump has paid for a lot of abortions.

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stpaulbear  May 2, 2022 • 8:56:52pm

re: #57 jaunte

SCOTUSblog
@SCOTUSblog
It’s impossible to overstate the earthquake this will cause inside the Court, in terms of the destruction of trust among the Justices and staff. This leak is the gravest, most unforgivable sin.

My bet is on the new girl or one of her clerks.

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(((Archangel1)))  May 2, 2022 • 8:58:02pm
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EPR-radar  May 2, 2022 • 8:59:25pm

re: #67 jaunte

Oh I agree. Roberts is just trying to get away with it all without leaving fingerprints.

IMO Roberts is unhappy with this decision. The perfect thing from the Roberts/loyal GOP party hack point of view would be to keep Roe in place while continuing the policy of subjecting abortion rights to the death of a thousand cuts that was Justice Kennedy’s life work. That way keeps Rs energized and Ds sleepy.

Now we may end up with energized Ds, and if a sizable fraction of women (especially white women) of reproductive age become single issue D voters on this issue, the GOP is toast.

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TarHellion  May 2, 2022 • 9:00:13pm

It’s so tragi-comic. My best friend is an attorney. One of his law partners is a GQP state rep and a staunch Catholic. This rep undoubtedly will approve a law that criminally punishes women for having abortions. And my friend can be their attorney. Yes, lawyers suck!

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jaunte  May 2, 2022 • 9:00:17pm

re: #75 EPR-radar

if a sizable fraction of women (especially white women) of reproductive age become single issue D voters on this issue, the GOP is toast

Let it be so.

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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 9:01:48pm
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EPR-radar  May 2, 2022 • 9:04:29pm

re: #73 stpaulbear

My bet is on the new girl or one of her clerks.

Yeah, I think the leak is from the right, and Barrett would make sense as the source on the theory that the resulting firestorm might give her material to use to push for a more radical decision than this.

It could easily work. Resentment is the core of US political conservatism, and the right wing justices will have much to be resentful about as their planned GOP hackery is pitilessly dissected in public.

So a month from now, ACB goes to her colleagues and says “Those awful liberals have been saying such mean things about us because of the leak. Let me show you this draft opinion I have that bans abortion nationwide from conception, with no exceptions. We should give them something to really squeal about.”

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TarHellion  May 2, 2022 • 9:05:25pm

If nothing else, this decision truly shows how much of a fucking fascist Alito is. Thanks W!!!!

I mean I could SEVERELY disagree with Scalia - but he at least restricted the rights of the police when it came to thermal-imaging for pot and the home and also declared there were limits to the 2nd Amendment.

But Alito seems to have deep-seated Mommy issues. And he comes across like a modern-day Torquemada - because NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!

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Citizen K  May 2, 2022 • 9:07:57pm

re: #75 EPR-radar

IMO Roberts is unhappy with this decision. The perfect thing from the Roberts/loyal GOP party hack point of view would be to keep Roe in place while continuing the policy of subjecting abortion rights to the death of a thousand cuts that was Justice Kennedy’s life work. That way keeps Rs energized and Ds sleepy.

Now we may end up with energized Ds, and if a sizable fraction of women (especially white women) of reproductive age become single issue D voters on this issue, the GOP is toast.

If we can flip the current split of votes from white women, that might be a big deal. A 10% swing from that crosstab would be significant.

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austin_blue  May 2, 2022 • 9:08:57pm

This has all the signs of a designed leak. Administrations do it all the time to float a potentially controversial idea to see how it plays in the media.

The idea of a SCOTUS opinion being leaked is…interesting but not surprising.

The idea that the court is above politics has been a joke since Scalia died. This leak gives the R’s on the Court time to see how the public reacts.

If the result shows the R’s losing forty House seats and five Senate seats, the DRAFT SCOTUS ruling will disappear into vapor and a slightly less Draconian Ruling will be floated.

Rinse and repeat until the R’s get a ruling that doesn’t hamstring them in in November and 2024.

SCOTUS is an appendage of the Republican Party. Make no mistake.

The Constitution has been subverted. We are at direct risk of tyranny through the Courts.

Never thought I’d see this day arrive, but it’s really and truly here.

Fuck my life.

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TarHellion  May 2, 2022 • 9:11:13pm

I am going to work with a coat hanger tomorrow

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Belafon  May 2, 2022 • 9:12:31pm
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Citizen K  May 2, 2022 • 9:13:43pm
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EPR-radar  May 2, 2022 • 9:14:41pm

re: #82 austin_blue

I could see this if Roberts were still in charge, but IMO this draft decision is the least offensive thing the 5 swivel-eyed true believers on the court could agree to.

E.g., That bit in there where Alito lies and says this is just about abortion may be there because ACB wanted to take out all of the privacy cases (Griswold, Lawrence, Obergefell) in one shot.

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Targetpractice  May 2, 2022 • 9:18:31pm

re: #85 Citizen K

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The Constitution also doesn’t mention a “right to bear arms,” that was tacked on with the Bill of Rights to appease those at the Convention who didn’t like the idea of a standing army but wanted some kind of guaranteed defense in case England got antsy again.

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Belafon  May 2, 2022 • 9:19:17pm

The current Supreme Court would overturn a law legalizing abortion.

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Ace Rothstein  May 2, 2022 • 9:24:05pm

The constitution doesn’t mention the internet either.

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austin_blue  May 2, 2022 • 9:26:17pm

re: #86 EPR-radar

I could see this if Roberts were still in charge, but IMO this draft decision is the least offensive thing the 5 swivel-eyed true believers on the court could agree to.

E.g., That bit in there where Alito lies and says this is just about abortion may be there because ACB wanted to take out all of the privacy cases (Griswold, Lawrence, Obergefell) in one shot.

Least offensive?

How could it be more offensive?

I mean, it could require that an MD who performed an abortion to save a woman’s life could be sentenced without trial to a firing squad, and that would actually be worse, but really, please read my original post again. It’s a fucking disaster for reproductive rights.

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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 9:27:08pm

re: #89 Ace Rothstein

The constitution doesn’t mention the internet either.

But the internet sure does mention the constitution!

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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 9:31:21pm

re: #90 austin_blue

Least offensive?

How could it be more offensive?

I mean, it could require that an MD who performed an abortion to save a woman’s life could be sentenced without trial to a firing squad, and that would actually be worse, but really, please read my original post again. It’s a fucking disaster for reproductive rights.

It’s a battle, it’s not the war. It’s a big battle, but it’s a long war.

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austin_blue  May 2, 2022 • 9:32:50pm

re: #91 wrenchwench

But the internet sure does mention the constitution!

Yes, and with remarkable ignorance.

Also, without sufficient knowledge of history to understand the nuance of how it was constructed and how it has been amended. But I repeat myself.

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EPR-radar  May 2, 2022 • 9:36:33pm

re: #90 austin_blue

Least offensive?

How could it be more offensive?

I mean, it could require that an MD who performed an abortion to save a woman’s life could be sentenced without trial to a firing squad, and that would actually be worse, but really, please read my original post again. It’s a fucking disaster for reproductive rights.

Here’s how it could be more offensive — SCOTUS holds that the 14th amendment grants a right to life of the fetus and therefore abortion is impermissible in all cases, except to save the life of the mother.

And I agree that the draft is extremely offensive. It’s the product of 5 Federalist society wingnuts, so the only change that is possible is for it to be made worse.

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William Lewis  May 2, 2022 • 9:37:23pm

re: #94 EPR-radar

Here’s how it could be more offensive — SCOTUS holds that the 14th amendment grants a right to life of the fetus and therefore abortion is impermissible in all cases, except to save the life of the mother.

FTFY. That’s their goal.

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austin_blue  May 2, 2022 • 9:37:52pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

It’s a battle, it’s not the war. It’s a big battle, but it’s a long war.

Nope, it’s a war. It’s a war over whether woman control their own bodies or whether they are chattel slaves controlled by their husbands/baby daddies.

It’s just that simple and it’s just that important.

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EPR-radar  May 2, 2022 • 9:40:00pm

re: #95 William Lewis

FTFY. That’s their goal.

I actually think they would want the exception for the life of the mother to remain, for various ultra-right virtue signaling purposes. In any case, an exception for life of the mother can always be made null via enforcement.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 2, 2022 • 9:41:46pm

re: #1 Ace Rothstein

Hey Sam, there’s nothing in the constitution about women voting either.

Not in the original Constitution but it was explicitly authorized by the 19th Amendment.

This was a draft from February — Roberts was pushing for a ban after 15 weeks. Could there be a later opinion that is more in line with Roberts’ preference?

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Hecuba's daughter  May 2, 2022 • 9:47:10pm

re: #53 EPR-radar

iMO it is a mistake to personalize too much of this shit to villains like Trump and McConnell. Ultimately Roe v. Wade is getting overturned because that has been a GOP party plank for decades, and the generic party is finally in a position to deliver on it.

Not personalize to Trump who literally doesn’t care, but McConnell is a true villain in this play. It was he who single-handedly stopped Obama from appointing a judge to SCOTUS. It was also he who stopped an announcement in 2016 about Russian meddling in our election. He is the puppet master behind the destruction of our democracy.

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Sherlock Hound  May 2, 2022 • 9:48:11pm

re: #85 Citizen K

Constitution doesn’t mention disabled rights, either.

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Amory Blaine  May 2, 2022 • 9:49:00pm

Haha so a leaked opinion is supposed to be the watermark for trust of the court. Talk about gaslighting.

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Targetpractice  May 2, 2022 • 9:49:02pm

re: #98 Hecuba’s daughter

a

Not in the original Constitution but it was explicitly authorized by the 19th Amendment.

This was a draft from February — Roberts was pushing for a ban after 15 weeks. Could there be a later opinion that is more in line with Roberts’ preference?

About as surely as angels flying out of my arse.

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EPR-radar  May 2, 2022 • 9:54:25pm

re: #99 Hecuba’s daughter

Not personalize to Trump who literally doesn’t care, but McConnell is a true villain in this play. It was he who single-handedly stopped Obama from appointing a judge to SCOTUS. It was also he who stopped an announcement in 2016 about Russian meddling in our election. He is the puppet master behind the destruction of our democracy.

If McConnell were out of line with his caucus, we’d know about it. Nearly every Senator has an ego the size of Jupiter, and they all love to talk to the press about anything that bothers them. But we never hear a peep from Republican Senators about how McConnell does as GOP Senate leader.

IMO that means 100% approval, and that any other senior Republican would have done the same damn things McConnell did.

The issue I have with personalizing things too much is that suppose McConnell goes off to join his master in Hell, or is voted out of office, in either case to be replaced by another KY Republican. What would actually change in that scenario? IMO nothing.

Foolish pipe dreams about a change larger than 1 Senate seat were part of what led to a big waste of D resources in the doomed KY-Sen general election campaign vs. McConnell.

It is the Republican party that is the problem, much more so that any individual Republican, no matter how despicable.

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Sherlock Hound  May 2, 2022 • 9:56:06pm

We’ll find out what the world thinks of this shit.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 2, 2022 • 9:56:30pm

re: #82 austin_blue

This has all the signs of a designed leak. Administrations do it all the time to float a potentially controversial idea to see how it plays in the media.

The idea of a SCOTUS opinion being leaked is…interesting but not surprising.

The idea that the court is above politics has been a joke since Scalia died. This leak gives the R’s on the Court time to see how the public reacts.

If the result shows the R’s losing forty House seats and five Senate seats, the DRAFT SCOTUS ruling will disappear into vapor and a slightly less Draconian Ruling will be floated.

Rinse and repeat until the R’s get a ruling that doesn’t hamstring them in in November and 2024.

SCOTUS is an appendage of the Republican Party. Make no mistake.

The Constitution has been subverted. We are at direct risk of tyranny through the Courts.

Never thought I’d see this day arrive, but it’s really and truly here.

Fuck my life.

The 2000 Bush v Gore decision demonstrated that SCOTUS was already run by political hacks. Citizens United and subsequent VRA decisions, well before Scalia’s death, are further evidence that the Court was owned by the Federalist Society and that the GOP members were out to undermine all progress of the past 60 years.

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austin_blue  May 2, 2022 • 9:57:22pm

re: #101 Amory Blaine

Haha so a leaked opinion is supposed to be the watermark for trust of the court. Talk about gaslighting.

You don’t really understand what gaslighting means, do you? A leaked opinion has nothing to do with gaslighting.

It’s just a MacGuffin. Completely different thing.

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DodgerFan1988  May 2, 2022 • 9:58:58pm

We’re not gonna take it.

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austin_blue  May 2, 2022 • 10:02:00pm

re: #107 DodgerFan1988

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We’re not gonna take it.

Oh, no, we’re not gonna take it

Any more.

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austin_blue  May 2, 2022 • 10:04:40pm

re: #105 Hecuba’s daughter

The 2000 Bush v Gore decision demonstrated that SCOTUS was already run by political hacks. Citizens United and subsequent VRA decisions, well before Scalia’s death, are further evidence that the Court was owned by the Federalist Society and that the GOP members were out to undermine all progress of the past 60 years.

Thank you for femsplaining the last 22 years to me.

You make me complete.

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Belafon  May 2, 2022 • 10:06:43pm

That rescued kitty has seen some things:

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Amory Blaine  May 2, 2022 • 10:07:25pm

re: #106 austin_blue

Yes I do. The outrage over this fucking leak is going to be what’s pushed in the press and the right that controls the discourse in this shit hole country.

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austin_blue  May 2, 2022 • 10:10:32pm

re: #110 Belafon

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It doesn’t just say it, they sunk those Russian boats as sure as Baby Jeebus loves little lambs. Baa, Baa BAM!

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EPR-radar  May 2, 2022 • 10:11:36pm

re: #109 austin_blue

That’s really uncalled for. IIRC you’re a lawyer and if so it must be distressing for the US Supreme Court to finally prove themselves partisan hacks without any doubt. But the entire US conservative legal establishment really has has been working toward this for decades.

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austin_blue  May 2, 2022 • 10:12:14pm

re: #111 Amory Blaine

Yes I do. The outrage over this fucking leak is going to be what’s pushed in the press and the right that controls the discourse in this shit hole country.

Ding, ding, ding! Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

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Amory Blaine  May 2, 2022 • 10:16:40pm

In 3 weeks every mouth breathing moron is going to be mimicking that this leak is worse than 1/6.i believed this was leaked by the right to draw attention from the commission And to provoke the left into a violent confrontation to delegitimize the investigation into right wing violence.

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austin_blue  May 2, 2022 • 10:17:29pm

Well, off for the rack. Sweet scaly dreams, all.

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Belafon  May 2, 2022 • 10:19:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 2, 2022 • 10:21:03pm

Of course the most terrible people on the Internet are celebrating this shit:

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Targetpractice  May 2, 2022 • 10:21:22pm

re: #115 Amory Blaine

In 3 weeks every mouth breathing moron is going to be mimicking that this leak is worse than 1/6.i believed this was leaked by the right to draw attention from the commission And to provoke the left into a violent confrontation to delegitimize the investigation into right wing violence.

“Draw attention from the commission”? Last word was that the Commission isn’t even going to hold hearings until June, assuming they don’t delay it yet again. Any report they publish probably won’t see the light of day before the fall, if not immediately before the elections. Press coverage so far of any revelations has fallen into the “In other news” column while the leading stories are all about how we’re in an economic “crisis,” dealing with a border “crisis,” and that Biden’s failure to make both go away means there’s a leadership “crisis.”

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Hecuba's daughter  May 2, 2022 • 10:21:50pm

On a lighter note — words…

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Amory Blaine  May 2, 2022 • 10:23:33pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

Yeah. June is in 4 weeks.

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Targetpractice  May 2, 2022 • 10:26:22pm

re: #121 Amory Blaine

Yeah. June is in 4 weeks.

Yet you speak as though the Commission is somehow dominating the public spotlight and the “outrage” over this draft leaking to the press is going to kick it off the front page for weeks.

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Amory Blaine  May 2, 2022 • 10:32:00pm

I think there will be a ramping up in anticipation of the commission by the right to tie the leak to the left as the roe decision is going to come down around the same time period. I also think the right is going to infiltrate protest and commit violence at pro choice protests that are sure to be prevalent. Ymmv

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Targetpractice  May 2, 2022 • 10:40:58pm

re: #123 Amory Blaine

I think there will be a ramping up in anticipation of the commission by the right to tie the leak to the left as the roe decision is going to come down around the same time period. I also think the right is going to infiltrate protest and commit violence at pro choice protests that are sure to be prevalent. Ymmv

The problem with this scenario is items like MTG doing a little jig to the news. The media’s going to have a hard as fuck time getting people to believe that the GQP are all sorts of “outraged” over this leak when they’re dancing in the aisles and knocking back celebratory champagne. It’s a bit like watching a news broadcast about a brutal slaying while there’s a fratboy celebrating in the background.

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Dr Lizardo  May 2, 2022 • 10:54:33pm

re: #82 austin_blue

This SCOTUS decision (or better to say, a draft decision) could well galvanize Democratic voters to get off their asses and vote this year. The Senate is crucial; this time around, 14 Democratic Senators are up - and 21 Republican Senators are up too, which means this time around, voter turnout is going to be key.

This could help the Democrats in House races, too - again, this could easily light a fire under the asses of Democratic voters (or indies who may normally sit out midterm elections), especially white women voters who might finally realize that the GOP is basically out to turn them into nothing more than broodmares.

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Targetpractice  May 2, 2022 • 11:02:19pm

re: #125 Amory Blaine

Hopefully it drops off the page then.

‘Leaked by a Liberal Law Clerk Who Was Trying to Change the Outcome’: Dershowitz Floats Theory on Why Draft of Opinion Overturning Roe v. Wade Was Leaked

And what’s really at the core of the “outrage”? It’s worry that the decision might be changed. That the court might worry about how this will be viewed politically and one or more votes swing to preserving Roe. Which means in a week or less, those currently screeching about how “horrible” it is that this draft was leaked will have moved on to defending the majority’s decision and declaring that any change from such will itself be “outrageous.”

Meanwhile, GQP candidates are gonna find themselves as early as tomorrow getting bombarded with questions about whether they support the draft decision and will they vote against any bills making abortion lawful if Congress should consider such while they are in office. Dodging the question by muttering over their “outrage” of the draft leaking is going to speak volumes to voters getting ready to line up for primary votes.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 2, 2022 • 11:03:14pm

re: #125 Amory Blaine

Hopefully it drops off the page then.

‘Leaked by a Liberal Law Clerk Who Was Trying to Change the Outcome’: Dershowitz Floats Theory on Why Draft of Opinion Overturning Roe v. Wade Was Leaked

Dershowitz? A man with zero credibility. Nothing he said makes any sense. With the composition of this court, you would have to be delusional to think a leak would change the decision, if this is indeed the final decision. How would a leak now vs the same final decision in a month or so affect the November election, except to give Democrats more time to hone their message?

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wrenchwench  May 2, 2022 • 11:15:12pm

and

Everything else in her timeline is smoke and fire and evacuation orders.

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Targetpractice  May 2, 2022 • 11:20:36pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

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Everything else in her timeline is smoke and fire and evacuation orders.

The Dems just got a month and change worth of free campaign material. The GQP are stuck now trying to float a story about “outrage” that the SCOTUS bench’s secrecy was violated rather than the impending violation of the privacy of millions of American women.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 2, 2022 • 11:27:14pm

re: #128 Hecuba’s daughter

Dershowitz? A man with zero credibility. Nothing he said makes any sense. With the composition of this court, you would have to be delusional to think a leak would change the decision, if this is indeed the final decision. How would a leak now vs the same final decision in a month or so affect the November election, except to give Democrats more time to hone their message?

Or what if this is a ploy by the right? Leak an early draft that was rejected and then, when the final decision that imposes a 15 week limitation on abortion is released, it no longer seems that draconian?

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Amory Blaine  May 2, 2022 • 11:32:50pm

The theory of the leak changing the opinion is nonsense, but then the right has been spewing streams of lies for a long time.

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Amory Blaine  May 2, 2022 • 11:34:37pm

Obama’s birth certificate was total nonsense but it sure moved people and dominated news cycles.

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Targetpractice  May 2, 2022 • 11:36:19pm

re: #131 Hecuba’s daughter

Or what if this is a ploy by the right? Leak an early draft that was rejected and then, when the final decision that imposes a 15 week limitation on abortion is released, it no longer seems that draconian?

That wouldn’t really be much better, since the reasoning for such a decision would be no less ridiculous (perhaps more so) than arguing that abortion simply doesn’t appear in the Constitution and thus isn’t protected. There have been no significant advances in medical science since Roe that would allow pushing back the viability cut-off to 15 weeks. Any argument for doing so would be based upon junk science and/or ideological flotsam.

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Amory Blaine  May 2, 2022 • 11:38:46pm

Benghazi!!

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Captain Ron  May 2, 2022 • 11:51:17pm

YouTube

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Targetpractice  May 2, 2022 • 11:56:04pm

re: #133 Amory Blaine

Obama’s birth certificate was total nonsense but it sure moved people and dominated news cycles.

Which is why it’s a cautionary tale about how ignoring a “stupid” or “unimportant” story can be a massive mistake. That the smarter move it to get out there, grab the narrative by the throat, and haul it in the direction you want to go. And that if you wait for the media to get tired and move on, then you’re going to quickly realize that waiting for Godot would be faster.

Good example of how the Dems should handle this news, rather than getting bogged down in the “outrage” narrative Repubs want to push:

Youtube Video

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EstebanTornado1963  May 3, 2022 • 12:24:30am

re: #61 wrenchwench

Really? You don’t think more activism could’ve got Hillary 79,316 more votes in 3 states?

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Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2022 • 12:25:36am

This SCOTUS draft decision leak story has made it into Czech media - the comments from your average Jan Novák (Joe Sixpack) is that this is the result of Catholic extremists being in high judiciary positions and generally, they’re appalled.

For anyone curious, here is the Wiki entry on Czech laws regarding abortion:

en.wikipedia.org.

Frankly, abortion isn’t all that common here, as contraceptives are easily and widely available, and almost all Czech women have an OB/GYN.

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A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS  May 3, 2022 • 1:03:01am

So I heard the news about the SCOTUS leak because I was up much later than I should be listening to political news that the announcement about Roe has blown completely out of my head. (I’m eight hours ahead of LGF page time.)

Woke up and it was still true, so here’s a nice calm image for the day.

To add to the fun on a personal level, the touch ID on my iPad has died, and I don’t dare do anything past “gently clean” on the troubleshooting list. Fortunately, I turned it off before it died completely — and haven’t forgotten my passcode from long misuse. Also fortunately, touch id continues to function on my iPhone.

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Patricia Kayden  May 3, 2022 • 2:15:56am

re: #33 jaunte

A statement is cute but why not do what Bernie Sanders suggested and pass a law protecting abortion rights even if it requires getting rid of the filibuster to do so? I’m sorry but Democrats need to do more than issue statements. They need to act.

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Teukka  May 3, 2022 • 2:36:45am

*spraypaints computer screen with coffee*

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Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2022 • 2:43:18am

re: #142 Teukka

*spraypaints computer screen with coffee*

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Ah, yes…..of course, this infamous agent of the Bund Deutscher Mädel, pictured here with Mr. Nilsson, her Gestapo-trained assistant:

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Teukka  May 3, 2022 • 2:43:31am

re: #142 Teukka

*spraypaints computer screen with coffee*

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Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2022 • 2:50:25am

LOL, keep digging that hole guys….

Russia’s foreign ministry accused Israel on Tuesday of supporting neo-Nazis in Ukraine, further escalating a row which began when Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov claimed Adolf Hitler had Jewish origins.

Israel lambasted Lavrov on Monday, saying his claim - made when talking about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy who is Jewish - was an “unforgivable” falsehood that debased the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust.

reuters.com

Like they say, some folks just don’t know when to STFU. 😄

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Teukka  May 3, 2022 • 2:53:52am

re: #144 Teukka

Chaser. From the comments.

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Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2022 • 2:54:09am

Another day, another fire:

Fire has ripped through a warehouse storing Russian schoolbooks, days after reports that publishers would remove mentions of Ukraine from the nation’s textbooks.

Firefighters were called to a warehouse owned by the Prosveshchenie publishing house in Bogorodsky, east of Moscow, at 3 a.m. on Tuesday.

The blaze was extinguished just over four hours later, a spokesperson for the Russian Emergency Situations Ministry told the state-run TASS news agency.

They said that textbooks and other printing materials had been stored in the warehouse.

themoscowtimes.com

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 2:57:06am

re: #144 Teukka

It’s right there in front of you—-“Seventh Seal”, “SS”. Couldn’t be clearer.

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Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2022 • 3:03:38am

Example #15,612 of impotent Russian threats:

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Teukka  May 3, 2022 • 3:08:35am

You guys ready for this? Drinks down…

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 3:09:23am

Gee, why would they think that’s necessary? //

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Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2022 • 3:10:34am

Hmmm……some breaking news from my hometown, via Czech TV:

The Financial Analytical Office* froze the assets of the Ostrava company Vítkovice Steel. He was blocked in connection with sanctions against Russia due to the war in Ukraine. This was confirmed to Czech Television by Michaela Lagronová, a spokeswoman for the Ministry of Finance. We are preparing further details.

ct24.ceskatelevize.cz (in Czech)

* - the Czech equivalent of the investigative branch of the Internal Revenue Service

Vítkovice Steel is one of the biggest employers here in Ostrava. I admit, I’ve never paid attention as to their chain of ownership or who they’re doing business with, so it’s entirely possible some shenanigans might be happening.

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Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2022 • 3:20:07am

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

Hearing on Český Rozhlas (Czech radio) news that the reason for the asset freeze is that after investigation, the Financial Analytical Office here has determined that Vítkovice Steel is, in fact, owned by the Russian state bank VEB - and VEB is on the international sanctions list.

Achjo (kinda like “oy vey”). This is gonna be a mess.

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Teukka  May 3, 2022 • 3:22:30am

JFC…

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 3:24:09am

re: #154 Teukka

JFC…

They sound literally exactly like Republicans.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 3:31:39am

And here we go, off on yet another bumpy ride.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 3:32:27am
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steve_davis  May 3, 2022 • 3:42:06am

re: #17 sagehen

the Reich didn’t build gas chambers the first 8 years they were in power either. The Wannsee Conference was 1942.

they first needed IBM to introduce the card-driven computer system that allowed Jews to be much more efficiently ghettoized and then liquidated. True story, I’m almost sure.

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Barefoot Grin  May 3, 2022 • 3:52:29am
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steve_davis  May 3, 2022 • 3:53:29am

re: #47 Citizen K

I’m pretty sure we tried this not too long ago, and, big shock, we literally didn’t have the votes to eliminate it. And considering how Manchin and Sinema keep sending touchy-feely feelers about possibly jumping ship as a response to the pressure they’ve been feeling, we may not ever have those votes without increasing margins in the Senate, something that’s already a dicey prospect because the first instinct of nearly 2/3rds of the country whenever something happens seems to be “Blame Dems, because the GOP has no agency”.

It’s extremely telling that the first instinct of so many has been to attack the Dems for not doing ‘something’, and RBG for not retiring, as if that sole decision is responsible for everything. Once again, to be a Dem in this country is to be held to blame for everything. Which is exactly why I’m hesitant to imagine a realignment happening in response to this, because way too many people want to be ‘Dems let this happen, all their fault, all their fault!!’

not only that, but huge numbers of hispanics and blacks in this country have religiously-driven anti-abortion positions. There won’t be wide-spread clamoring from the democratic base to reverse this. Democrats are stuck with a coalition that won’t be herded and that has a diverse range of thoughts on lots of issues.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 3, 2022 • 3:58:06am

re: #128 Hecuba’s daughter

Dershowitz? A man with zero credibility. Nothing he said makes any sense. With the composition of this court, you would have to be delusional to think a leak would change the decision, if this is indeed the final decision. How would a leak now vs the same final decision in a month or so affect the November election, except to give Democrats more time to hone their message?

I think it is a pretty good theory:

I have a theory, and it’s only a theory. I think this was leaked by a liberal law clerk who was trying to change the outcome of the case, either by putting pressure on some of the justices to Change their mind, or by getting Congress to pack the court even before June, which is very unlikely, or to get Congress to pass a national right-to-abortion law, which would apply to all the states, and that would have to come to the Supreme Court to see whether that could be upheld under the Commerce Clause.

But I think this is real and I think that-my theory is that it was leaked by somebody who wants to change the outcome. Look, I’ve been watching Supreme Court for 55 years. And this has all the hallmarks of reality and it does not have the hallmark of a decision that’s likely to be changed. Maybe Chief Justice Roberts will go with the minority, but I think they seem to have five votes at this point to overrule Roe vs. Wade.

I am sure the protests will shut down major cities this weekend.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 3, 2022 • 3:59:58am

Why can’t I ever find my staple remover?

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 4:22:39am

Good guess at where abortion access will be impacted. In most of these states it will be a plus for GOP candidates.

Here’s Where Abortion Will Likely Be Illegal If SCOTUS Overturns Roe
huffpost.com

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 4:25:05am

re: #163 Decatur Deb

I have but one quibble with the headline. It’s not “if”, it’s “when”. The justices that have been manhandled through the Senate, starting with Roberts, were all handpicked for this very explicit purpose. This is their end goal, the whole point of clinging to power this long - this is the dream, people. This is American Christian Nationalism getting its ultimate victory. The question is now, what are they going to do now that they’ve achieved it, and what are we going to do to survive it?

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 4:28:52am

re: #164 Dopamine Fish

If/When?: We are too far outside political norms to make a guess. This politicized USSC is so cheapened that they could just be trying a trial balloon for the GOP.

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steve_davis  May 3, 2022 • 4:35:11am

All right, going along with the Procol Harum orchestral stuff, this is one of my favorites. One of the “unreleased” pieces from the Edmonton concert.

Procol Harum Luskus Delph (live with the ESO) Nov 1971

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 3, 2022 • 4:38:01am

re: #36 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The next frontier for the antiabortion movement: A nationwide ban

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 4:43:56am

re: #160 steve_davis

not only that, but huge numbers of hispanics and blacks in this country have religiously-driven anti-abortion positions. There won’t be wide-spread clamoring from the democratic base to reverse this. Democrats are stuck with a coalition that won’t be herded and that has a diverse range of thoughts on lots of issues.

A question I have is if this will expand the Democratic base to include previously politically apathetic people, especially women, who always just took their rights for granted. I’m not ready to assume that the right’s drive to ban abortion nationally is just going to be shrugged off by the majority who support abortion rights.

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Florida Panhandler  May 3, 2022 • 4:50:54am

re: #40 William Lewis

Many won’t have to do a thing. Wisconsin’s ban was never removed from the state statutes. This drops, abortion is completely illegal here.

We already have states issuing bounties (Texas $10,000) for reporting in women undergoing abortions. Their next step is to authorize bounty hunters to go search out across state and even international borders for women leaving the state to have an abortion.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 4:52:55am

re: #169 Florida Panhandler

We already have states issuing bounties (Texas $10,000) for reporting in women undergoing abortions. Their next step is to authorize bounty hunters to go search out across state and even international borders for women leaving the state to have an abortion.

Isn’t it Idaho that has a law on the books that not only criminalizes transgender care, but makes it illegal to leave the state to find said care elsewhere?

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 4:54:31am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

I’m shocked and not that the Roe opinion got leaked. How and why are unimportant. We know that the Christian fascists on the court are going to end Roe. That’s always been their endgame. This opinion leaking doesn’t change that.

I’ve seen people saying that the GOP have accomplished the one thing they set out to do for 50 years, and that’s it.

Nope. That completely ignores the dynamics here and always.

GOP wants to revert decades of progress, and now that they ended Roe, they can point to that success and say - Trump’s the one that delivered this, so let’s get his fascist colleagues elected so they can pack the courts with even more fascists intent on denying rights to women, persons of color, and roll back decades of progress. It’s all in play, and it’ll energize the right like nothing else.

Trump can point to this, even if he never cared about abortion - because this is about his power play. It was always a means to his end. Retaking and keeping power for himself. He doesn’t care about any one policy or outcome if it doesn’t personally benefit him.

Rich people can always get abortions. It’s everyone else who gets screwed. It’s rich people who will never suffer the consequences of rolling back rights and freedoms. It’s everyone else who gets screwed. People don’t think about abortion regularly, unless and until they actually need to consider one, and when they do, it’s too late since the fascists have denied women agency over their bodies.

Abortion is just tip of the iceberg here - Shelby took out voting rights protections years ago, and we’re seeing the results play out with gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts kicking into even higher gear.

Will this energize Democrats to turn out in November? I don’t know. It didn’t do enough in 2016. It just held the line in 2020. GOP voter suppression is alive and kicking and GOTV is more important than ever.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 4:54:37am

What Democratic Base?

en.wikipedia.org

2016 HRC v Trump
White men 31 62
White women 43 52
Black men 80 13
Black women 94 4

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EPR-radar  May 3, 2022 • 4:58:20am

re: #172 Decatur Deb

Speaking as a white voter, the vote splits from that demographic are deplorable.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 5:00:00am

GOPers never cared about life. They are for the death penalty. They’re against health coverage for all Americans. They’re against SNAP. They’re against Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. They’re against the safety net. They’re against public education (and education generally). They opposed to infrastructure investment.

They’re for more tax breaks that disproportionately benefit rich people. That’s it.

The moment a baby is born alive, they don’t care what happens to that baby. It was never about being pro life. It’s a forced birth anti abortion extremist view that denies women agency over their bodies, and all the talk about textualism or originalism is just cover for right wing judicial activism that tries to actively ignore that the Founders never intended the Constitution to be a static document. It was always intended to be a living breathing document that changed over time - not only with judicial review, but amendments.

Trying to end abortion rights by claiming that it was never intended by the Founders ignores that the Founders had no way to know what 200+ years of progress would bring, and would not be self limiting.

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EPR-radar  May 3, 2022 • 5:01:06am

re: #174 lawhawk

Among other things, this shit-opinion from Alito makes the 10th amendment a nullity.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 5:01:12am

re: #173 EPR-radar

Speaking as a white voter, the vote splits from that demographic are deplorable.

“Deplorable” turns out to have been an unfortunate expression. Accurate, but unfortunate.

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Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2022 • 5:02:09am

re: #171 lawhawk

Will this energize Democrats to turn out in November? I don’t know. It didn’t do enough in 2016. It just held the line in 2020. GOP voter suppression is alive and kicking and GOTV is more important than ever.

If SCOTUS goes whole hog and ends Roe v. Wade, that might (hopefully) be enough to galvanize those who either sat out elections (especially midterm elections) or might flip white women suburban voters, who now realize that the GOP is out to turn them into breeding stock and are clearly using The Handmaid’s Tale as a goddamn instruction manual.

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EPR-radar  May 3, 2022 • 5:03:59am

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

If SCOTUS goes whole hog and ends Roe v. Wade, that might (hopefully) be enough to galvanize those who either sat out elections (especially midterm elections) or might flip white women suburban voters, who now realize that the GOP is out to turn them into breeding stock and are clearly using The Handmaid’s Tale as a goddamn instruction manual.

I think this is a tipping point — either this decision galvanizes effective resistance to the pig-fucking Republican fascists, or they will end up with the GOP dictatorship they so badly want.

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Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2022 • 5:06:45am

re: #178 EPR-radar

I think this is a tipping point — either this decision galvanizes effective resistance to the pig-fucking Republican fascists, or they will end up with the GOP dictatorship they so badly want.

I agree - this is a tipping point and I fully expect we’re likely to see major protests in American cities over the coming days and weeks ahead.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 3, 2022 • 5:06:47am

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

If SCOTUS goes whole hog and ends Roe v. Wade, that might (hopefully) be enough to galvanize those who either sat out elections (especially midterm elections) or might flip white women suburban voters, who now realize that the GOP is out to turn them into breeding stock and are clearly using The Handmaid’s Tale as a goddamn instruction manual.

Because Democrats were never known to overplay their hand.

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Mike Lamb  May 3, 2022 • 5:07:09am

re: #167 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

The next frontier for the antiabortion movement: A nationwide ban

I saw that. It obviously wouldn’t get signed by a Dem president and I wonder if McConnell would nuke the filibuster to pass abortion legislation. That aside, I wonder what they would rely on to be able to pass a nationwide ban. Commerce clause? Not they aren’t above it, but that would take some serious mental gymnastics for SCOTUS to bless that kind of legislation under the ICC. 14th amendment? They’d probably need personhood legislation first.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 5:08:36am

re: #179 Dr Lizardo

I agree - this is a tipping point and I fully expect we’re likely to see major protests in American cities over the coming days and weeks ahead.

The only protests that really mean shit happen in early November. Everything else is psychodrama.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 5:10:07am

Caught two segments on WFAA, one from the local morning show and one from GMA, and both were focused on the contents of the document, not the leak.

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Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2022 • 5:13:05am

re: #183 Belafon

Caught two segments on WFAA, one from the local morning show and one from GMA, and both were focused on the contents of the document, not the leak.

That’s good - but have no doubt that the GOP and the RW media noise machine is gonna try to play up the leak angle and gin up some pseudo-outrage over it.

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Dr. Matt  May 3, 2022 • 5:17:48am
“I just don’t trust Hillary. Let’s give Trump a chance”

“I’m sitting this one out. They are both evil”

“I’m going to hold my nose and vote for Trump”

“How bad can he be?”

All those “purists” in 2016 can go fuck themselves right now.

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EPR-radar  May 3, 2022 • 5:18:10am

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

That’s good - but have no doubt that the GOP and the RW media noise machine is gonna try to play up the leak angle and gin up some pseudo-outrage over it.

One big question is whether the mainstream media bites on this GOP distraction. Perhaps they won’t when the reality of the decision is a much more compelling story.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 5:23:10am

re: #171 lawhawk

Right wingers are going to fixate on the “leak” and demand investigations, thinking that the liberals on the court or their clerks are the ones who leaked it.

Sure, ignore the possibility that this was a trial balloon by the right wing fascists to see how this will go down when the opinion is finally dropped by the court in June. Takes some of the sting out knowing that it’s already a done deal now. Spreads the anger and fury out and lets it boil over now and not in time for primaries or the general in November.

They think it’ll be hard to sustain righteous anger and indignation over Roe for the summer and fall. I don’t think they’re entirely wrong there. We’ve been warning about this outcome from the moment Trump won in 2016. They were gunning for Roe and all of the privacy rights.

It wasn’t enough to get Hillary elected in 2016.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 5:23:28am

re: #185 Dr. Matt

All those “purists” in 2016 can go fuck themselves right now.

I’m a straight cis white male. If I only voted on issues that affected me directly, Democrats would never win and everyone else would be screwed.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 5:24:44am

re: #187 lawhawk

Hopefully, a document from SCOTUS will overcome the “It will never happen” attitude.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 5:25:13am
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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 5:25:35am

re: #189 Belafon

Hopefully, a document from SCOTUS will overcome the “It will never happen” attitude.

When is release likely?

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 5:27:08am

re: #190 Belafon

Fuck off, Monica. You and Bubba Clinton helped put us here.

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Dr. Matt  May 3, 2022 • 5:28:08am
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Captain Magic  May 3, 2022 • 5:29:59am
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EPR-radar  May 3, 2022 • 5:31:21am

re: #193 Dr. Matt

Nah, Susan Collins is perfectly content. She doesn’t have to face the voters in Maine until 2026, and Maine is apparently infested with both sides morons that love her “moderate Republican” act.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 5:31:28am
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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 5:32:25am

re: #195 EPR-radar

She got what she wanted. Why would she want to do anything different.

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Dr. Matt  May 3, 2022 • 5:42:52am

In other news, The Dotard rages on Troof Social:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 5:43:49am

re: #6 Ace Rothstein

A lot of Republican women will continue to have abortions.

Yeah, but you go go get them done privately in another state…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 5:45:01am

re: #38 TarHellion

Roe v Wade - OVERTURNED
Obergefell vs Hodges
Griswold vs Connecticut
Gideon v Wainwright
Loving v Virginia
Brown v Topeka Board

Which is next on the list?

Dredd Scott.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 5:46:29am

re: #62 EstebanTornado1963

Can some asshole journalist ask a republican where in the Bible it says where abortion is illegal?

There are some passages that can be interpreted that way but nothing as explicit as the passages that indicate that terminating a pregnancy is not only tolerable but mandatory in some instances.

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Dr. Matt  May 3, 2022 • 5:46:50am

re: #6 Ace Rothstein

A lot of Republican women will continue to have abortions.

My favorite quote from a female Republican acquaintance: “I’m against abortion because people (read Blah People) use it as a form of birth control. If I get one, it will only be once.”

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 5:47:16am

re: #181 Mike Lamb

I saw that. It obviously wouldn’t get signed by a Dem president and I wonder if McConnell would nuke the filibuster to pass abortion legislation. That aside, I wonder what they would rely on to be able to pass a nationwide ban. Commerce clause? Not they aren’t above it, but that would take some serious mental gymnastics for SCOTUS to bless that kind of legislation under the ICC. 14th amendment? They’d probably need personhood legislation first.

McConnell would not. He is only interested in cutting taxes and confirming federalist society judges, and he can do those two things under current rules, and he needs the filibuster to block Democratic reforms. But if he is replaced by a Trumper as majority leader, they might.

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Eventual Carrion  May 3, 2022 • 5:47:26am

re: #13 mmmirele

Maybe a clerk (aka “intern”) leaked it. I’ve seen an analysis already, and it appears to be a legit draft. But it’s from February. So I don’t know. I’ve been telling the gleeful that even if Roe is overturned, women will still get abortions.

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Setting up barricades? They must be afraid of tourists coming for a visit.

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Dr. Matt  May 3, 2022 • 5:48:40am

re: #38 TarHellion

Roe v Wade - OVERTURNED
Obergefell vs Hodges
Griswold vs Connecticut
Gideon v Wainwright
Loving v Virginia
Brown v Topeka Board

Which is next on the list?

Restore the 3/5ths compromise.

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Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2022 • 5:48:46am

re: #199 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yeah, but you go go get them done privately in another state…

“Say, where’s Jane?”

“Uh, yeah, she’s…..uhhh…visiting her aunt in Sweden. Yeah, that’s it.”

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EPR-radar  May 3, 2022 • 5:49:34am

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Dredd Scott.

Dred Scott is a decision Republicans would like to reinstate, if they can figure out a way to work around the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments.

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EPR-radar  May 3, 2022 • 5:51:03am

re: #202 Dr. Matt

My favorite quote from a female Republican acquaintance: “I’m against abortion because people (read Blah People) use it as a form of birth control. If I get one, it will only be once.”

AKA “the only moral abortion is my abortion” — case studies of abortion clinic protesters who go on to have abortions of their own, sometimes at the very clinics that they were protesting at.

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 5:51:19am

Kentucky’s Covid positivity rate is up for the fourth week in a row, to 5.67%. New cases and deaths are up as well, but nobody cares anymore.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 5:52:39am

re: #181 Mike Lamb

I saw that. It obviously wouldn’t get signed by a Dem president and I wonder if McConnell would nuke the filibuster to pass abortion legislation. That aside, I wonder what they would rely on to be able to pass a nationwide ban. Commerce clause? Not they aren’t above it, but that would take some serious mental gymnastics for SCOTUS to bless that kind of legislation under the ICC. 14th amendment? They’d probably need personhood legislation first.

McConnell would drop the filibuster to enshrine an Abortion Ban. That would be the big payoff for all the people who support the GOP come hell or high water.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 5:53:52am

re: #202 Dr. Matt

My favorite quote from a female Republican acquaintance: “I’m against abortion because people (read Blah People) use it as a form of birth control. If I get one, it will only be once.”

I have often heard the GOP argument that “abortion is liberal black genocide”.

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HRH Stanley Sea  May 3, 2022 • 5:54:56am

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EPR-radar  May 3, 2022 • 5:55:10am

re: #211 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have often heard the GOP argument that “abortion is liberal black genocide”.

As if the GOP has any objection to that.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 6:01:00am
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Teukka  May 3, 2022 • 6:02:08am

2 fer 1 speshul:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 6:03:28am

re: #192 Decatur Deb

Fuck off, Monica. You and Bubba Clinton helped put us here.

Monica was young, and the young are easily gotten into predicaments. So I don’t really think too harshly of her.

But Bill… yes, his inability to control himself cost America.

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Ming5000  May 3, 2022 • 6:07:26am
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Dr. Matt  May 3, 2022 • 6:08:32am

re: #208 EPR-radar

AKA “the only moral abortion is my abortion” — case studies of abortion clinic protesters who go on to have abortions of their own, sometimes at the very clinics that they were protesting at.

AKA “ I got mine, fuck you“

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lizardofid  May 3, 2022 • 6:09:49am

I had to check, due to my failing memory, but this isn’t the first leak about this issue.

“The Supreme Court clerk who leaked the story, Larry Hammond, told me about it when I interviewed him for my book “January 1973: Watergate, Roe v. Wade, Vietnam, and the Month That Changed America Forever.”

washingtonpost.com

Oh, good morning.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 6:10:21am

re: #216 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Monica was young, and the young are easily gotten into predicaments. So I don’t really think too harshly of her.

But Bill… yes, his inability to control himself cost America.

She’s not young now. Time to STFU about her accomplishment.

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jeffreyw  May 3, 2022 • 6:12:03am

Good morning!

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Sherlock Hound  May 3, 2022 • 6:12:18am

re: #158 steve_davis

Dead truth. “IBM And The Holocaust”.

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lizardofid  May 3, 2022 • 6:14:49am

re: #192 Decatur Deb

Fuck off, Monica. You and Bubba Clinton helped put us here.

Yep, Matt Drudge made his bones with that damn blue dress. And here we are.

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Ming5000  May 3, 2022 • 6:16:31am

I often like George Hahn’s takes:

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 3, 2022 • 6:18:05am

re: #149 Dr Lizardo

Would be ashamed if it suffered the same fate as the book warehouse.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 6:18:57am

re: #199 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yeah, but you go go get them done privately in another state…

And conservative states could still punish you.

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darthstar  May 3, 2022 • 6:19:35am

Okay, got that out of the way - no more stressing about keeping the streak alive.

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Sherlock Hound  May 3, 2022 • 6:25:35am

Watch out for the next Republican talking point.

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Dr. Matt  May 3, 2022 • 6:25:58am

re: #224 Ming5000

I often like George Hahn’s takes:

It Roe is overturned, I still fear it won’t be enough to turn out Dem voters in the midterms. If anything, it could motivate a massive Maga turnout with the hopes of enacting more dystopian laws.

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Ming5000  May 3, 2022 • 6:27:57am

re: #229 Dr. Matt

I fear that too. I still like the “First we grieve, then we fight” attitude.

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Dr. Matt  May 3, 2022 • 6:28:28am

Oh FFS

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 6:28:39am

re: #226 Belafon

And conservative states could still punish you.

Only poor people get caught out.

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Dr. Matt  May 3, 2022 • 6:29:36am

re: #230 Ming5000

I fear that too. I still like the “First we grieve, then we fight” attitude.

Indeed. I’m cautiously optimistic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 6:29:49am

re: #228 Sherlock Hound

Watch out for the next Republican talking point.

It is an admirable bit of rhetoric. Worthy of a Ben Shapiro.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 6:29:52am

re: #232 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Only poor people get caught out.

What else is the sense in being poor?

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 6:30:25am
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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 6:40:03am

re: #224 Ming5000

I often like George Hahn’s takes:

More of this, please, instead of the Debbie Downer defeat is inevitable talk.

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Targetpractice  May 3, 2022 • 6:45:28am

re: #231 Dr. Matt

Oh FFS

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What’s going to kill the “outrage” BS is the degree of ridiculous they’ll reach just to get you to believe it matters.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 6:45:32am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 6:46:01am

A lot of GOP power structure lies in the anti-abortionists blindly supporting Mitch and letting him pass or block one-percent-favoring legislation even when they themselves are disadvantaged from it because it is all part and parcel of getting Roe v Wade overturned ass the first step to a national ban on all abortions.

We have to see what happens when the dog finally catches the car it has been chasing since 1973.

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Mattand  May 3, 2022 • 6:46:52am

Just so I’m clear:

The consensus this morning is that Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky are directly responsible for abortion being overturned.

Jesus Fucking Christ, people, get a grip.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 6:47:45am

re: #231 Dr. Matt

The SCOTUS leak is an actual insurrection. An attempt to completely upend and delegitimize the rule of law, incite violence and chaos, and potentially plunge the nation into civil war. January 6th was a stroll in the park compared to this. It’s not even close.

Yes, we saw videos of all those leakers building gallows, damaging & stealing public property, defecating in government offices and brandishing flag poles at police officers…

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Florida Panhandler  May 3, 2022 • 6:48:17am

re: #235 Decatur Deb

What else is the sense in being poor?

If you think women are the only target, the poor are next.

After American women are vanquished the GOP are quickly going to fund the white male good ol’ boy private prison system to hold all the debtors. Yes- that’s right … we will officially have the return of dedicated debtor’s prisons.

The right wing always needs a target to bash and since blacks disproportionality comprise those with low credit and defaults they get to kill 2 birds with one stone and stuff their pockets at the same time. The poor in general are going to suffer, but most especially black people in our Libertarian Utopia.

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mmmirele  May 3, 2022 • 6:52:00am

OK, this article is four years old, but it mentions things we need to know about abortion. Specifically, there are people out there who have been trained to perform abortions outside of clinic settings. Basically, it’s a revival of the Jane Collective.

theguardian.com

If Roe is overturned, abortion instantly becomes illegal here in Arizona. California is 200 miles thataway and the Mexican border, where misoprostol is sold in pharmacies, is about 150 miles thataway. None of us know when a pregnant relative may approach us, so we have to be prepared.

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Mattand  May 3, 2022 • 6:53:11am

re: #241 Mattand

Just so I’m clear:

The consensus this morning is that Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky are directly responsible for abortion being overturned.

Jesus Fucking Christ, people, get a grip.

I rarely down ding, mostly because it’s like “Who cares?”, but goddamn, I’m eyeing up two comments above right now.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 6:55:08am

re: #245 Mattand

I rarely down ding, mostly because it’s like “Who cares?”, but goddamn, I’m eyeing up two comments above right now.

Not very direct. The word is “helped”. No BJ, Gore wins, no Trump.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 6:57:34am

And that’s leaving HRC 2016 and her 80,000 vote loss out of the mix.

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Targetpractice  May 3, 2022 • 6:58:02am

The reality that have a strong feeling we’re going to have trouble capitalizing on between now and November:

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 6:58:06am

22 states have abortion bans that would immediately come into play. This affects nearly half the nation - and it includes states whose abortion bans would be resurrected as they were on the books pre-Roe.

GOPers will then fixate on going after the remaining states. Roe will not satisfy them. It doesn’t end with Roe.

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JC1  May 3, 2022 • 6:58:53am

re: #249 lawhawk

22 states have abortion bans that would immediately come into play. This affects nearly half the nation - and it includes states whose abortion bans would be resurrected as they were on the books pre-Roe.

GOPers will then fixate on going after the remaining states. Roe will not satisfy them. It doesn’t end with Roe.

That will be a stupidly losing strategy.

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Eventual Carrion  May 3, 2022 • 6:59:31am

re: #120 Hecuba’s daughter

On a lighter note — words…

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3/6 for me today also.

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Citizen K  May 3, 2022 • 6:59:48am

re: #249 lawhawk

22 states have abortion bans that would immediately come into play. This affects nearly half the nation - and it includes states whose abortion bans would be resurrected as they were on the books pre-Roe.

GOPers will then fixate on going after the remaining states. Roe will not satisfy them. It doesn’t end with Roe.

The fact that Alito’s decision has a literal fucking laundry list of rights that he thing should be ripped out on the exact same basis as overturning Roe makes it pretty clear what their roadmap is.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 3, 2022 • 7:00:30am

re: #228 Sherlock Hound

Watch out for the next Republican talking point.

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You can’t say “no uterus, no opinion” anymore. You gave that up when you said trans women are women.

I would like to say just how much I love having my Community being used as a wedge issue. ///////

But this isn’t anything new. The GC/TERF crowd has been saying for a while now that our mere existence is a threat to “real” women and this will just give them even more ammo to marginalize us. Wait for it.

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Barefoot Grin  May 3, 2022 • 7:00:39am
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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 7:00:48am

None of these right wing extremists care if women die from ectopic pregnancies either.

Those are where the fetus develops outside the uterus and has zero chance of survival. The mother has zero chance of survival without medical intervention - removing the fetus that is growing outside the uterus.

None of these right wing extremists care if the fertilized egg is the result of rape or incest. They don’t care that they’d be punishing a woman for being raped or the victim of sexual violence or incest.

This is a power-mad view that denies women agency over their bodies, in every way imaginable.

And it doesn’t end there.

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Citizen K  May 3, 2022 • 7:01:29am

re: #250 JC1

That will be a stupidly losing strategy.

They might not care if it hurts them in the short term, because they’ll have permanently created the caste system they always wanted. And from people’s instant reactions to blame Dems instead, it may not even hurt them.

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Dr. Matt  May 3, 2022 • 7:01:47am

Unbelievable series of events to get to this place:

1) Confederate Mitch blocks Garland scotus nomination for 12 months; 2) somehow Dotard gets elected; 3) Dotard gets three Scotus nominations; 4) Mitch rams through the third Scotus nomination just weeks before Biden‘s inauguration.

This is like a shitty fictitious story written by a conservative author.

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Targetpractice  May 3, 2022 • 7:02:58am

re: #249 lawhawk

22 states have abortion bans that would immediately come into play. This affects nearly half the nation - and it includes states whose abortion bans would be resurrected as they were on the books pre-Roe.

GOPers will then fixate on going after the remaining states. Roe will not satisfy them. It doesn’t end with Roe.

The next step is going full Handmaid’s Tale and blocking pregnant women from crossing state lines to seek abortions. Perhaps even a modern-day Fugitive Slave Law, only the bounties will now be paid by states for the return of pregnant women attempting to flee.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 7:04:10am

Can someone explain to me why everyone is shitting all over Susan Collins following the SCOTUS leak? She’s not a Justice. Are people just fed up her with her faux giving a shit attitude?

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Citizen K  May 3, 2022 • 7:05:27am

re: #255 lawhawk

None of these right wing extremists care if women die from ectopic pregnancies either.

Those are where the fetus develops outside the uterus and has zero chance of survival. The mother has zero chance of survival without medical intervention - removing the fetus that is growing outside the uterus.

None of these right wing extremists care if the fertilized egg is the result of rape or incest. They don’t care that they’d be punishing a woman for being raped or the victim of sexual violence or incest.

This is a power-mad view that denies women agency over their bodies, in every way imaginable.

And it doesn’t end there.

Combine this with the prevailing opinion from the anti-CRT laws and Florida’s Don’t Say Gay laws that essentially treat kids as parents’ wholly owned property too, and we’re kind of seeing the light-speed progression here. It really is a play at Gilead-style total ownership of people by white Christian men.

re: #257 Dr. Matt

Unbelievable series of events to get to this place:

1) Confederate Mitch blocks Garland for 12 months; 2) somehow Dotard gets elected; 3) Dotard gets three Scotus nominations; 4) Mitch rams through the third Scotus nomination just weeks before Biden‘s inauguration.

This is like a shitty fictitious story written by a conservative author.

Shitty writing surely got us into this mess. Except in this horrible timeline, it’s shitty writing from journos who elevated access over everything else that helped make this story.

re: #259 Eclectic Cyborg

Can someone explain to me why everyone is shitting all over Susan Collins following the SCOTUS leak? She’s not a Justice. Are people just fed up her with her faux giving a shit attitude?

Because she pushed in for support of Trump’s SC picks after much performative hemming and hawing, and assured us that none of them would go after Roe because it was ‘settled law’. And she’s always parlayed her dumb psuedo-moderate act into media play so she can act like the most important person in the room when she’s just being a performative asshole.

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Targetpractice  May 3, 2022 • 7:05:47am

re: #259 Eclectic Cyborg

Can someone explain to me why everyone is shitting all over Susan Collins following the SCOTUS leak? She’s not a Justice. Are people just fed up her with her faux giving a shit attitude?

Her defense of her vote for Justice Beer Bong by insisting that he accepted that RvW was “settled law.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 7:06:11am

re: #254 Barefoot Grin

So many Trump followers still taking Putin’s word and Putin’s side in his bloody assault on Ukraine.

Why?

It’s not complicated. He’s created the sort of country many of them would like to see here.

Authoritarian, Oligarchic, Xenophobic, Militaristic, Patriarchal, Theocratic.

What’s not to love?

Only difference would be to swap out Russian Orthodoxy for Protestant Fundamentalism.

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rhuarc  May 3, 2022 • 7:06:44am

re: #259 Eclectic Cyborg

Can someone explain to me why everyone is shitting all over Susan Collins following the SCOTUS leak? She’s not a Justice. Are people just fed up her with her faux giving a shit attitude?

news.yahoo.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 7:07:22am

re: #257 Dr. Matt

Unbelievable series of events to get to this place:

1) Confederate Mitch blocks Garland for 12 months; 2) somehow Dotard gets elected; 3) Dotard gets three Scotus nominations; 4) Mitch rams through the third Scotus nomination just weeks before Biden‘s inauguration.

This is like a shitty fictitious story written by a conservative author.

And a Press that went along with it and insisted on covering “both sides” of the issue.

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aatharuv  May 3, 2022 • 7:07:35am

re: #259 Eclectic Cyborg

Can someone explain to me why everyone is shitting all over Susan Collins following the SCOTUS leak? She’s not a Justice. Are people just fed up her with her faux giving a shit attitude?

She told everyone how Justice Booze-Rape assured her that Roe was a settled decision, and then voted for him.

Collins: Kavanaugh sees Roe v. Wade as ‘settled law’

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 7:07:37am

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Not very direct. The word is “helped”. No BJ, Gore wins, no Trump.

Not sure how anyone could conclude that a Gore victory in 2000 would ensure that Trump would never win the presidency.

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Rightwingconspirator  May 3, 2022 • 7:08:37am

Almost extinct in the wild.
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Mattand  May 3, 2022 • 7:09:02am

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Not very direct. The word is “helped”. No BJ, Gore wins, no Trump.

re: #247 Decatur Deb

And that’s leaving HRC 2016 and her 80,000 vote loss out of the mix.

Those are good points.

I think the most important thing is we need to help deflect blame from Republicans, religion, Fox News et. al., for their parts in this with comments like these.

Yeppers, Monica Lewinsky, both Clintons and Al Gore are where we should be training our fire in 2022.

You’ve still got room for blaming Obama for making fun of Trump at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner as well.

Quite frankly, the idea of being upset at Monica Lewinsky for being upset at women’s rights taken away because she had an affair with Clinton is fucking offensive. She’s got more at stake in this than you ever had.

You’ve got every right to be upset about what happened last night, but Christ, dude, come on. Maybe focus fire where it belongs.

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No Malarkey!  May 3, 2022 • 7:09:35am

Time to fight, not despair.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 7:11:17am

re: #266 No Malarkey!

Not sure how anyone could conclude that a Gore victory in 2000 would ensure that Trump would never win the presidency.

We’re all full of steaming hot takes right now because this news is (rightfully) very upsetting, no matter how predictable it was. It’s Actually Happening, and that has gotten all of our brains running in hyperactive mode while we struggle to figure out if there is or isn’t a chance the American Republic survives the rest of the decade. The problem is, there’s no “sit and wait it out” for this. The fascist shenanigans are happening NOW, and we need to think and act NOW to prevent the end of America as we know it. We’re just not able to do that in a calm and rational fashion when we’re this upset.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 7:11:23am

re: #266 No Malarkey!

Not sure how anyone could conclude that a Gore victory in 2000 would ensure that Trump would never win the presidency.

Don’t matter, the point is to keep blame securely directed at the Democratic side of the aisle.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 7:11:35am

re: #266 No Malarkey!

Not sure how anyone could conclude that a Gore victory in 2000 would ensure that Trump would never win the presidency.

It would have upset the timeline, and if HRC had ever faced a Trump, she wouldn’t have been loaded with “baggage”.

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lizardofid  May 3, 2022 • 7:12:33am

re: #241 Mattand

Just so I’m clear:

The consensus this morning is that Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky are directly responsible for abortion being overturned.

Jesus Fucking Christ, people, get a grip.

Not suggesting it’s “the” reason. Just that it’s one of those proverbial butterflies.

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JC1  May 3, 2022 • 7:12:45am

re: #256 Citizen K

They might not care if it hurts them in the short term, because they’ll have permanently created the caste system they always wanted. And from people’s instant reactions to blame Dems instead, it may not even hurt them.

The vast majority of people won’t blame the dems for this. Stories and pictures of pregnant women dying needlessly will be too much not to wake people the f*ck up. The right wing religious lunatics are a small minority of the population; they just happen to be the majority of the supreme court.

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cat-tikvah  May 3, 2022 • 7:12:59am

re: #269 No Malarkey!
Time to fight, not despair.

Don’t agonize, organize!

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sagehen  May 3, 2022 • 7:13:35am

re: #266 No Malarkey!

Not sure how anyone could conclude that a Gore victory in 2000 would ensure that Trump would never win the presidency.

A Gore victory would have meant left-of-center supremes instead of Roberts and Alito. No Citizens United, no Shelby….

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JC1  May 3, 2022 • 7:14:14am

re: #259 Eclectic Cyborg

Can someone explain to me why everyone is shitting all over Susan Collins following the SCOTUS leak? She’s not a Justice. Are people just fed up her with her faux giving a shit attitude?

She voted for keg stand Kevin saying that he wouldn’t overturn R v W.

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aatharuv  May 3, 2022 • 7:15:02am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So many Trump followers still taking Putin’s word and Putin’s side in his bloody assault on Ukraine.

Why?

It’s not complicated. He’s created the sort of country many of them would like to see here.

Authoritarian, Oligarchic, Xenophobic, Militaristic, Patriarchal, Theocratic.

What’s not to love?

Only difference would be to swap out Russian Orthodoxy for Protestant Fundamentalism.

Rod Dreher even converted to a form of Eastern Orthodoxy and was railing against those who wanted to turn all the Orthodox into “Byzantine Episcopalians”.

theamericanconservative.com

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Barefoot Grin  May 3, 2022 • 7:15:29am

re: #257 Dr. Matt

Unbelievable series of events to get to this place:

1) Confederate Mitch blocks Garland scotus nomination for 12 months; 2) somehow Dotard gets elected; 3) Dotard gets three Scotus nominations; 4) Mitch rams through the third Scotus nomination just weeks before Biden‘s inauguration.

This is like a shitty fictitious story written by a conservative author.

But wait, there’s more….

McConnell has said that if he gets control of the senate he won’t guarantee hearings for any Biden nominees. He’ll do it again should the opportunity arise.

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JC1  May 3, 2022 • 7:15:57am

re: #266 No Malarkey!

Not sure how anyone could conclude that a Gore victory in 2000 would ensure that Trump would never win the presidency.

Bush gave us Alito and Roberts. With 2 Gore appointment judges instead of those 2, we wouldn’t be where we are.

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lizardofid  May 3, 2022 • 7:16:13am

re: #272 Decatur Deb

It would have upset the timeline, and if HRC had ever faced a Trump, she wouldn’t have been loaded with “baggage”.

One of those inconvenient truths.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 7:16:27am

re: #273 lizardofid

Not suggesting it’s “the” reason. Just that it’s one of those proverbial butterflies.

That butterfly can fuck off, too.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 7:16:36am

re: #157 Dopamine Fish

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there was abortion in north america (and the colonies) before there was a united states

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Mattand  May 3, 2022 • 7:17:06am

re: #273 lizardofid

Not suggesting it’s “the” reason. Just that it’s one of those proverbial butterflies.

Again, people have every right to be upset, but “what if”-ing is fucking pointless.

What if Trump had that heart attack he’s probably going to have in 2015?

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aatharuv  May 3, 2022 • 7:17:25am

Does anyone know if the Supreme Court has made a statement yet about the leak?

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 7:18:21am

re: #283 Dangerman

there was abortion in north america (and the colonies) before there was a united states

Yep, but they weren’t in the Constitution. They have to be deeply rooted in white male culture.

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steve_davis  May 3, 2022 • 7:18:23am

day 3 of the chorizo sausage soup. Whoever thought “let’s make this shit taste like licorice!” just needs to die. the other bags are in the freezer, though, where they will likely stay until somebody I really hate has a death in the family and I need to supply comfort food. editing to note that today it was better. i guess time in the fridge has helped mellow the sausage out a bit.

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Mattand  May 3, 2022 • 7:21:17am

I need to get to work, but if you’re blaming Monica Lewinsky in any way, shape, or form for last night’s ruling leak, you need to check your misogyny meter, because it’s probably in the red right now.

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aatharuv  May 3, 2022 • 7:21:21am

re: #284 Mattand

Again, people have every right to be upset, but “what if”-ing is fucking pointless.

What if Trump had that heart attack he’s probably going to have in 2015?

It’s really hard to say. Trump was unusually good at rallying his base, but we might have gotten someone a bit more competent at the helm, if they had one.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 7:22:14am

re: #286 Belafon

Yep, but they weren’t in the Constitution. They have to be deeply rooted in white male culture.

These “sincerely held” or “deeply rooted” comments are really fucking nagging me. Are you telling me that only white male Christians are allowed to sincerely hold beliefs, or have deeply rooted rights? Because I have sincerely held beliefs that you’re actively trying to legislate against, but apparently I’m not allowed to sue to have them upheld under the First Amendment’s freedom of religion.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 7:22:48am

re: #288 Mattand

I need to get to work, but if you’re blaming Monica Lewinsky in any way, shape, or form for last night’s ruling leak, you need to check your misogyny meter, because it’s probably in the red right now.

I’m far more pissed at President Bubba, so the calibration is fine.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 7:23:03am

re: #183 Belafon

Caught two segments on WFAA, one from the local morning show and one from GMA, and both were focused on the contents of the document, not the leak.

if you’re more concerned about the leak and not the substance, it’s probably because everyone knows which party this hurts

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 7:23:39am

re: #228 Sherlock Hound

Watch out for the next Republican talking point.

OK, women and men with uteruses can talk about it.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 7:23:48am

re: #185 Dr. Matt

All those “purists” in 2016 can go fuck themselves right now.

politics is a long game
most people dont have the attention span, the vision, or the commitment

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mmmirele  May 3, 2022 • 7:24:19am

re: #274 JC1

The vast majority of people won’t blame the dems for this. Stories and pictures of pregnant women dying needlessly will be too much not to wake people the f*ck up. The right wing religious lunatics are a small minority of the population; they just happen to be the majority of the supreme court.

I don’t know if people are aware of this, but you can be arrested for protesting on the “front porch” of the Supreme Court. (I know someone who was—but he’s of utterly no use in this, because he believes abortion is wrong, in addition to being pro-gun control. He doesn’t get how his position dehumanizes women.) That’s why protesters are shifted down to the sidewalk. I wonder about protesting in front of Justices’ houses? Yes, this is crossing a line, but these people have decided that women are not entitled to the same rights as men.

Yeah, I’m suggesting we make the Court’s life hell.

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Mattand  May 3, 2022 • 7:25:16am

re: #289 aatharuv

It’s really hard to say. Trump was unusually good at rallying his base, but we might have gotten someone a bit more competent at the helm, if they had one.

I think the issue with that is Trump just kicked open the door for America’s worst impulses. He basically was like “It’s okay to let every racist, shitty, stupid thought in your head out in the open.”

It’s possible someone else could have done that, but even someone like Mitch McConnell operates with a breaker that prevents them from saying the quiet part loud.

Give the fascist bent of the GOP, they’d have gotten there eventually, I guess, but it would taken much longer.

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aatharuv  May 3, 2022 • 7:26:13am

re: #292 Dangerman

if you’re more concerned about the leak and not the substance, it’s probably because everyone knows which party this hurts

Alternately, they’re are so single minded on a single issue they don’t see the forest from the trees. Or even see the leaf 1 foot away.

Like the Green voters who voted Republican because the Republican candidate claimed to be anti-war.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 7:26:46am

re: #239 lawhawk

I think RBG should have retired early and that it’s voters’ responsibility to get to the polls, and they failed.

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Mattand  May 3, 2022 • 7:26:55am

re: #291 Decatur Deb

I’m far more pissed at President Bubba, so the calibration is fine.

I usually enjoy your comments and you seem like a great person, but please, please take a step back and critically look at what you just wrote.

It’s placing blame where it doesn’t belong, it’s childish, and you’re better than that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 7:27:54am

re: #261 Targetpractice

re: #265 aatharuv

Thank you. So hard to keep track of all the GOP bullshit these days.

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mmmirele  May 3, 2022 • 7:29:08am

Here’s what Courtney Milan, romance writer and pseudonym for Heidi Bond, who clerked for Sandra Day O’Connor and also for Alex Kozinski of the 9th Circuit (forced to resign, he was), has to say:

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 7:30:12am

re: #299 Mattand

I usually enjoy your comments and you seem like a great person, but please, please take a step back and critically look at you just wrote.

It’s placing blame where it doesn’t belong, it’s childish, and you’re better than that.

A political footnote dropped a useless self-important tweet and I swatted at it. BFD.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 7:30:25am

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Not very direct. The word is “helped”. No BJ, Gore wins, no Trump.

Nope. Especially on Trump. Trump was a reaction to a black man winning the presidency and a woman running for office. And the Electoral College.

But, even with Gore, how often has one party held the presidency? The voters decided they wanted to try something different.

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aatharuv  May 3, 2022 • 7:31:19am

re: #296 Mattand

I think the issue with that is Trump just kicked open the door for America’s worst impulses. He basically was like “It’s okay to let every racist, shitty, stupid thought in your head out in the open.”

It’s possible someone else could have done that, but even someone like Mitch McConnell operates with a breaker that prevents them from saying the quiet part loud.

Give the fascist bent of the GOP, they’d have gotten there eventually, I guess, but it would taken much longer.

If Trump had run and either (presumably narrowly) lost the nom or died in the middle, that would have speeded things up. If Trump had died before he went down the golden elevator, I’d agree with you..

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Sherlock Hound  May 3, 2022 • 7:31:48am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is an admirable bit of rhetoric. Worthy of a Ben Shapiro.

So, obviously, if a woman has a hysterectomy, she’s no longer a uterus-owner and can have no opinion. ///

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  May 3, 2022 • 7:33:00am

Note: Abbott’s abortion bounty-hunters will be outlaws and vigilantes if they go into pro-choice states in an attempt to enforce laws that do not exist in those states.
They should be made to feel…….unwelcome.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 7:34:03am

re: #231 Dr. Matt

Oh FFS

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unless it was a conservative clerk or one of the majority side justices, then it’s totally ok

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Mattand  May 3, 2022 • 7:34:29am

re: #303 Belafon

Nope. Especially on Trump. Trump was a reaction to a black man winning the presidency and a woman running for office. And the Electoral College.

Absolutely amazing how most people miss these points.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 7:35:10am

If Roe is overturned, women in my (extremely poor) state would likely have to make a 10+ hour drive to reach a state where they could terminate a pregnancy.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 7:37:44am

re: #303 Belafon

Nope. Especially on Trump. Trump was a reaction to a black man winning the presidency and a woman running for office. And the Electoral College.

But, even with Gore, how often has one party held the presidency? The voters decided they wanted to try something different.

The Brooks Brothers rioters and a compliant USSC decided they wanted something different.

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Sherlock Hound  May 3, 2022 • 7:39:13am

re: #266 No Malarkey!

Not sure how anyone could conclude that a Gore victory in 2000 would ensure that Trump would never win the presidency.

Or that Clinton outrage would be limited to a BJ.

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mmmirele  May 3, 2022 • 7:40:07am

Mike Dunford is writing about how he and his fiance (now wife) went to get her an abortion at PP in the 1990s. He has utter disdain for anti-abortionists. (Thread is still going.)

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Dave In Austin  May 3, 2022 • 7:40:35am
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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 7:41:00am

re: #272 Decatur Deb

It would have upset the timeline, and if HRC had ever faced a Trump, she wouldn’t have been loaded with “baggage”.

and if that butterfly in the amazon jungle had just flapped its wings an extra time…

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 7:41:23am

re: #311 Sherlock Hound

Or that Clinton outrage would be limited to a BJ.

It was enough. We are walking in a minefield and we Dems insist on wearing clownshoes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 7:44:15am

A close friend of mine had multiple abortions as a teenager (long, fucked up story). I’d hate to think where she’d be if terminating those pregnancies had not been option. As it stands she now has two kids, is living with a long-term partner and works as a nurse.

Come to think it, I probably know way more women who have had abortions than I think I do because I’m sure many of them don’t publicize it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 7:46:20am

re: #316 Eclectic Cyborg

Come to think it, I probably know way more women who have had abortions than I think I do because I’m sure many of them don’t publicize it.

Because it is and should remain a personal choice and personal matter.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 7:46:28am

re: #241 Mattand

Just so I’m clear:

The consensus this morning is that Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky are directly responsible for abortion being overturned.

Hmmm… I wouldn’t want to go that far.

I do believe, though, that our American political machinery is fine tuned to amplify issues, to the benefit of a select few.

And it has been in the benefit of some rich old dudes to make sure that their ability to accrue, hoard, and use wealth not be hindered by laws any progressively bent politicians may want to implement.

And the problem is that we, the US, have since the beginning of the colonies been over-run by religious zealots.

This has brought about the sad reality that those who want progress often walk on a knife’s edge in American politics, because the electorate can easily be swayed into a hard-right religious direction.

Bill Clinton was a fool. His foolishness directly led to the undermining of the ability of the Democratic party in certain states to maintain any narrow-thin majority.

GWB was elected on the very slimmest of margins. It is not crazy to ponder if Gore would have won if only Bill Clinton had not smeared himself with scandal.

Bill Clinton should have resigned. Gore would then have been President. He may have then won in 2000.

Regardless, here we are in 2022.

The blame for the reversal of abortion rights falls directly into the laps of the religious right (and the very rich funders of the GOP.)

However, it is also not out of place to ponder some alternative history, and try to understand how we got to Trump and the McConnell Senate.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 7:47:47am

re: #318 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

‘Xactly.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 7:49:30am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 7:53:21am

I wonder, now that Roe is going away, if we’ll see the creation of an “underground railroad” of sorts for women seeking abortions?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 7:53:34am

re: #320 lawhawk

It talks about fetuses being people as a matter of ancient law (teeing up idea that fetuses are constitutionally PROTECTED - no abortion anywhere as matter of conlaw.) And its arguments undermine all of SCOTUS’s gay rights and contraception decisions.

In other words, all the gains made over past decades in personal freedoms, minority, LGBTQ and women’s rights are in danger.

(Must be the Left’s fault for thinking that the Culture Wars had been won and growing complacent.)

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JC1  May 3, 2022 • 7:53:45am

re: #295 mmmirele

I don’t know if people are aware of this, but you can be arrested for protesting on the “front porch” of the Supreme Court. (I know someone who was—but he’s of utterly no use in this, because he believes abortion is wrong, in addition to being pro-gun control. He doesn’t get how his position dehumanizes women.) That’s why protesters are shifted down to the sidewalk. I wonder about protesting in front of Justices’ houses? Yes, this is crossing a line, but these people have decided that women are not entitled to the same rights as men.

Yeah, I’m suggesting we make the Court’s life hell.

This won’t be solved by protesting at the supreme court. This will be solved by voting in enough senators, or enough senators seeing the writing on the wall to nuke the filibuster and expand the supreme court.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 7:54:28am

re: #321 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder, now that Roe is going away, if we’ll see the creation of an “underground railroad” of sorts for women seeking abortions?

As noted earlier in the thread, there is one already in place. And yes, there will be some high-profile cases in anti-abortion states where authorities will crack down mercilessly on these “baby killers”.

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Jay C  May 3, 2022 • 7:55:03am

re: #274 JC1

The vast majority of people won’t blame the dems for this. Stories and pictures of pregnant women dying needlessly will be too much not to wake people the f*ck up. The right wing religious lunatics are a small minority of the population; they just happen to be the majority of the supreme court.

Agree with the first part, but disagree with the second. However much of an overall “minority” those “right wing religious lunatics” might be (and said minority is probably a LOT larger than we here would like to believe), under the system of government we live under in this country, numerical majorities (for politics or ideologies or public attitudes) don’t have the influence on the system they should. As long as there are “Red States” - where extremist attitudes are part and parcel of the whole sociopolitical infrastructure, the “lunatics” are going to have an outsize influence on the nation as a whole. And are not going to give a flying about how small their numbers really are.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 7:55:20am

re: #323 JC1

This won’t be solved by protesting at the supreme court. This will be solved by voting in enough senators, or enough senators seeing the writing on the wall to nuke the filibuster and expand the supreme court.

Exactly.

There needs to be 60 Senators who will be willing to codify rights to abortions. Or if not 60 then at least in the high 50’s, so the filibuster can be set aside.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 7:56:05am

re: #322 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Alito draft is as extreme as it gets. It’s not only out to gut Roe, but to eviscerate all privacy rights this extremist group of hacks at the bench think didn’t exist at the formation of the US.

They’ll roll back everything if they have their way. And they’re having their way.

Roberts teed this up with Shelby and Citizens United. McConnell laid it up with packing the court with these hacks and denying Obama the right to have his own qualified nominee seated.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 7:56:58am

re: #274 JC1

The right wing religious lunatics are a small minority of the population;

If polls are to be believed, that minority is around 25% of the electorate.

That is enough to control the Senate because the very rich will fund the religious-right as long as said religious-right supports unfettered accumulation of wealth.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 8:01:16am

re: #328 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

If polls are to be believed, that minority is around 25% of the electorate.

That is enough to control the Senate because the very rich will fund the religious-right as long as said religious-right supports unfettered accumulation of wealth.

They don’t even need to be the fanatic few. They only need to be religiously ill-at-ease enough not to get excited over a woman’s right to choose. Trump won with women who aren’t POC.

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 8:02:10am

re: #320 lawhawk

I have been wondering if this draft was Alito’s attempt to drag Roberts and possibly one other judge, Thomas?, to the right. “Look, we’re going to get rid of Roe. Now you can either help us make it look legit, or we can take the rest of this stuff out as well.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 8:02:44am

re: #328 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

If polls are to be believed, that minority is around 25% of the electorate.

That is enough to control the Senate because the very rich will fund the religious-right as long as said religious-right supports unfettered accumulation of wealth.

That is the trade-off. The Religious Right will continue to undermine their own economic interests in order to force their moral agenda.

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A Three Hour Tour  May 3, 2022 • 8:03:17am

re: #272 Decatur Deb

It would have upset the timeline, and if HRC had ever faced a Trump, she wouldn’t have been loaded with “baggage”.

The Right loathed the Clintons (especially Hillary) long before Monica Lewinsky. Hell, people ostensibly on *our* side hate Hillary. She would have been loaded with “baggage” no matter what.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 8:03:33am

re: #326 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Exactly.

There needs to be 60 Senators who will be willing to codify rights to abortions. Or if not 60 then at least in the high 50’s, so the filibuster can be set aside.

getting 60 D senators at all is a tall order
getting 60 D’s who all agree on the filibuster is enormous

i can see the arguments already:

we can back the assured, mainstream D to victory
or we can risk it with the iffy one who agrees on the filibuster

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Belafon  May 3, 2022 • 8:03:47am

The Right isn’t actually comfortable with the leak:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 8:05:06am

re: #332 A Three Hour Tour

The Right loathed the Clintons (especially Hillary) long before Monica Lewinsky. She would have been loaded with “baggage” no matter what.

Yes, the hard right did indeed.

However, there are, or were, many middle-of-the-road Democrats during that time. And that is important to account in our review of history.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 8:06:12am

re: #327 lawhawk

The Alito draft is as extreme as it gets. It’s not only out to gut Roe, but to eviscerate all privacy rights this extremist group of hacks at the bench think didn’t exist at the formation of the US.

They’ll roll back everything if they have their way. And they’re having their way.

Roberts teed this up with Shelby and Citizens United. McConnell laid it up with packing the court with these hacks and denying Obama the right to have his own qualified nominee seated.

today’s electoral-vote.com

things that were illegal in all states [when the fourteenth was adopted]: women’s suffrage, Black suffrage, sodomy, interracial marriage, and gay marriage. Meanwhile, here are some things that were legal in all states: imbalanced Congressional districts, segregation, discrimination on the basis of gender, and discrimination on the basis of social class.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 8:07:13am

re: #333 Dangerman

To get rid of some Senate rules will only take a majority.

But it has be more than 50+VP, otherwise the issue will just flip once the Senate is 51R.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 8:07:18am

re: #330 Belafon

I have been wondering if this draft was Alito’s attempt to drag Roberts and possibly one other judge, Thomas?, to the right. “Look, we’re going to get rid of Roe. Now you can either help us make it look legit, or we can take the rest of this stuff out as well.”

I’m guessing this is a concurrence to Roberts limiting Roe or Alito speaking for the 5 right wing extremists ending Roe altogether. Either way, Alito isn’t mincing words here - he and the rest of the extremists are out to shred privacy rights and anything not explicit in the Constitution on the day it was enacted.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 8:07:49am

re: #334 Belafon

The Right isn’t actually comfortable with the leak:

It probably hurts them, but the price of that is a lot of dead and prosecuted women in the short run.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 8:09:29am

re: #334 Belafon

Bullshit.

They know that it likely was leaked from the conservatives as a trial balloon. They wont impeach. They’ll make noises, but that’s it.

They’re fine with the outcome - overturning Roe and enabling fugitive laws to go after those women who flee the 22 states where abortion is illegal to those that still have reproductive health choices including abortion.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 8:09:41am

re: #334 Belafon

The Right isn’t actually comfortable with the leak:

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oh jonah, honey…
(again today’s electoral-vote.com)

If they’re a clerk, their term of service is up in a month anyhow, and even if they’re outed, they will have a lifelong gig working for Planned Parenthood or any left-leaning law firm in the country.

And if they’re a justice then, as we know, there’s basically nothing they can do to get themselves fired (see Thomas, Clarence and Ginni).

and ps - where the eff have you been?
newt to trump to mcconnell et al have been shredding ‘democratic norms’ for decades.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 8:10:47am

re: #332 A Three Hour Tour

The Right loathed the Clintons (especially Hillary) long before Monica Lewinsky. Hell, people ostensibly on *our* side hate Hillary. She would have been loaded with “baggage” no matter what.

I never *liked* Hillary, I just found her the best candidate among those running in 2016

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 8:11:26am
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(((Archangel1)))  May 3, 2022 • 8:11:55am
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JC1  May 3, 2022 • 8:11:58am

re: #328 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

If polls are to be believed, that minority is around 25% of the electorate.

That is enough to control the Senate because the very rich will fund the religious-right as long as said religious-right supports unfettered accumulation of wealth.

25% is not nearly enough. 60% of the vote going towards the dems would be a massive landslide.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 8:13:01am

re: #344 (((Archangel1)))

Hey GOP-loving frat boys: kiss the party life goodbye.
Because the four nasty geezers, the alcoholic dickwad, and the religious fundamentalist you supported just made sure you are never getting laid again outside of marriage and/or 18 years of child support.

Frat Boys can afford to pay for an out-of-state abortion.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 8:13:11am

re: #342 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I never *liked* Hillary, I just found her the best candidate among those running in 2016

Wife and I volunteered for her across the Florida line for weeks. We learned the FL rules and registered voters at Bill Clinton’s Panama City gig. He’s still an asshole.

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lizardofid  May 3, 2022 • 8:13:18am

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is the trade-off. The Religious Right will continue to undermine their own economic interests in order to force their moral agenda.

It is a trade off, yes. But they don’t view it as such. They have collectively bought in to “The Divine Trickle Down”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 8:15:12am

re: #348 lizardofid

It is a trade off, yes. But they don’t view it as such. They have collectively bought in to “The Divine Trickle Down”.

It fits in with the Protestant Work Ethic.

And of course the unconditional support for Israel is a big plus, not that American Fundamentalists care about Jews or Judaism, they just need a resurgent Israel to kick-start Armageddon and usher in the End Times Prophecies.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 3, 2022 • 8:15:15am

UGH

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 8:17:00am
Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) said that a leaked draft ruling by the Supreme Court was “completely inconsistent” with what Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch told her during their private conversations as Supreme Court nominees, The Hill reports.

susan collins is inconsolable.
she is shocked, shocked that the R nominees lied to her

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JC1  May 3, 2022 • 8:17:52am

re: #342 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I never *liked* Hillary, I just found her the best candidate among those running in 2016

Same, though she really should have gotten the hint after 2008 and not ran again.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  May 3, 2022 • 8:18:05am

re: #343 Dopamine Fish

[Embedded content]

Arkell vs. Pressdram
This refers to the famous exchange between an aggrieved credit manager named Arkell and Britain’s Private Eye magazine. The magazine had alleged that Arkell was receiving a kickback from shady debt collectors.

29th April 1971

Dear Sir,

We act for Mr Arkell who is Retail Credit Manager of Granada TV Rental Ltd. His attention has been drawn to an article appearing in the issue of Private Eye dated 9th April 1971 on page 4. The statements made about Mr Arkell are entirely untrue and clearly highly defamatory. We are therefore instructed to require from you immediately your proposals for dealing with the matter.

Mr Arkell’s first concern is that there should be a full retraction at the earliest possible date in Private Eye and he will also want his costs paid. His attitude to damages will be governed by the nature of your reply.

Yours,
Goodman Derrick & Co.
—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
Dear Sirs,

We acknowledge your letter of 29th April referring to Mr. J. Arkell.

We note that Mr Arkell’s attitude to damages will be governed by the nature of our reply and would therefore be grateful if you would inform us what his attitude to damages would be, were he to learn that the nature of our reply is as follows: fuck off.

Yours,
Private Eye

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 8:18:07am

re: #351 Dangerman

Susan Collins, with all due respect (that is to say, none at all), GO FUCK YOURSELF. We TOLD you they were snakes. You were “concerned”. And that was the end of it.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 8:18:50am

re: #353 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

This refers to the famous exchange between an aggrieved credit manager named Arkell and Britain’s Private Eye magazine. The magazine had alleged that Arkell was receiving a kickback from shady debt collectors.

Yes, I know what it comes from, it fills me with great joy that he went there. A lone bright spot on an unexpectedly dark day.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 8:18:57am

re: #351 Dangerman

susan collins is inconsolable.
she is shocked, shocked that the R nominees lied to her

The only noble thing, short of going all samurai, is to resign.

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Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2022 • 8:21:08am

re: #351 Dangerman

susan collins is inconsolable.
she is shocked, shocked that the R nominees lied to her

Senator Collins’ brow furrowing intensifies.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 3, 2022 • 8:22:05am

re: #352 JC1

Same, though she really should have gotten the hint after 2008 and not ran again.

She could have stayed in the Senate as well.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 8:24:26am

re: #354 Dopamine Fish

Is she really too dumb to realize that maybe, just MAYBE they were telling her what she wanted to hear and had NO intention of following through?

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 8:24:46am
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Florida Panhandler  May 3, 2022 • 8:24:51am

re: #346 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hey GOP-loving frat boys: kiss the party life goodbye.
Because the four nasty geezers, the alcoholic dickwad, and the religious fundamentalist you supported just made sure you are never getting laid again outside of marriage and/or 18 years of child support.

Frat Boys can afford to pay for an out-of-state abortion.

I can easily picture Republicans getting rid of any and all child support laws outside of marriage and indeed passing laws protecting men from being sued for child support including children involving a divorce.

Welcome to GOP 2025. Women are to be owned. Children are either a man’s property in a family or a single woman’s burden to bear on her own.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 8:25:48am

re: #359 Eclectic Cyborg

Is she really too dumb to realize that maybe, just MAYBE they were telling her what she wanted to hear and had NO intention of following through?

No, but she’s hoping her voters are stupid, and so far that has worked out for her.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 8:26:21am

Yeah, it was real. The text, analysis, and content is entirely in Alito’s voice. This is the voice of a right wing extremist hellbent on rolling back 400 years of progress.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 8:26:31am

Shut the fuck up, Ted.

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Citizen K  May 3, 2022 • 8:27:08am

re: #359 Eclectic Cyborg

Is she really too dumb to realize that maybe, just MAYBE they were telling her what she wanted to hear and had NO intention of following through?

Of course not. It’s all performative from her.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 8:27:11am

re: #362 Punish Domestic Terrorists

No, but she’s hoping her voters are stupid, and so far that has worked out for her.

Pretty much said what I was going to. She’s acting concerned now, like she always does, because she can see the backlash coming and is hoping to just weather the storm and hang on to her seat. If she can keep her name out of the major press and sort of skate by on the fringes of the coming hurricane, she herself will not be negatively impacted, and that’s the only thing that matters to her.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 8:28:27am

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

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Citizen K  May 3, 2022 • 8:29:10am

re: #362 Punish Domestic Terrorists

No, but she’s hoping her voters are stupid, and so far that has worked out for her.

re: #366 Dopamine Fish

Pretty much said what I was going to. She’s acting concerned now, like she always does, because she can see the backlash coming and is hoping to just weather the storm and hang on to her seat. If she can keep her name out of the major press and sort of skate by on the fringes of the coming hurricane, she herself will not be negatively impacted, and that’s the only thing that matters to her.

Not just her voters. The press will absolutely fawn and eat up her faux-moderate play-acting like they have the past hundred fucking times, and lift her up as the living proof of how amenable the GOP is at the middle.

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William Lewis  May 3, 2022 • 8:29:48am

re: #352 JC1

Same, though she really should have gotten the hint after 2008 and not ran again.

I really though she was smart enough not to. Alas, ego overrides brains…

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austin_blue  May 3, 2022 • 8:30:44am

re: #221 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

That egg is fuckin’ perfect!

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 8:32:24am
The one person most responsible for the looming loss of abortion rights—aside from the president who appointed three anti-Roe justices—is Maine Republican Sen. Susan Collins, who in October of 2018 became the 50th and deciding vote in the Senate for Brett Kavanaugh. He would not have been confirmed if it weren’t for Collins, who wanted women to believe as she did that he would keep his word to her.

He did not.

Maybe his fingers were crossed because whatever he said to Collins, it was a lie. Kavanaugh’s confirmation on a bare 50 to 48 vote was the beginning of the end for Roe v Wade, and everybody knew it except maybe Collins, who insisted Kavanaugh was telling her the truth, that he had such reverence for precedence, what they call stare decisis, which means “to stand by things decided,” that Roe would be safe in his hands.

Susan Collins Told American Women to Trust Her to Protect Roe. She Lied. (The Daily Beast)

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steve_davis  May 3, 2022 • 8:32:27am

re: #303 Belafon

Nope. Especially on Trump. Trump was a reaction to a black man winning the presidency and a woman running for office. And the Electoral College.

But, even with Gore, how often has one party held the presidency? The voters decided they wanted to try something different.

gore couldn’t even win his own state. he was a horrible candidate.

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steve_davis  May 3, 2022 • 8:35:05am

re: #309 Eclectic Cyborg

If Roe is overturned, women in my (extremely poor) state would likely have to make a 10+ hour drive to reach a state where they could terminate a pregnancy.

it’s going to have a ripple effect that at the moment no one is talking about. the first time a black rapist impregnates a white gal, we’ll be back to making rape a capital crime. Of course, as with most things judicial, black rapists raping white gals will get cooked a lot more often than white rapists raping white gals, or black rapists raping black gals.

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JC1  May 3, 2022 • 8:36:40am

re: #372 steve_davis

gore couldn’t even win his own state. he was a horrible candidate.

He lost his home state of TN because he turned against big tobacco in a state heavily reliant on it. He was an okay candidate with a horrible wife and a horrible running mate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 3, 2022 • 8:37:31am

re: #372 steve_davis

gore couldn’t even win his own state. he was a horrible candidate.

I agree. And his choice of running mate was lame. I really disliked Joe Liebermann. Not for him being Jewish at all but for him being a sancimonious little prick who wanted to censor music lyrics

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Ming5000  May 3, 2022 • 8:37:38am

re: #351 Dangerman

I wish that I was Susan Collins’s annuities salesperson. Gullible Chauncey Gardner, but in an evil way.

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Targetpractice  May 3, 2022 • 8:38:39am

re: #354 Dopamine Fish

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Susan Collins, with all due respect (that is to say, none at all), GO FUCK YOURSELF. We TOLD you they were snakes. You were “concerned”. And that was the end of it.

Collins is the sort of person that scam artists get rich off swindling. Again and again, she’s been made “promises” or “assurances” to secure her vote, only for them to fall apart as soon as the bill/nomination/etc that her vote was vital to had passed.

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steve_davis  May 3, 2022 • 8:39:47am

re: #320 lawhawk

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oh good grief. abortions were outlawed in the western world for one simple reason: until the late nineteenth century, an overwhelming belief was that the male sperm provided all of the impetus for how the female egg developed. Women were merely vessels for the incubation process. And children were effectively owned by their fathers. Abortion was outlawed because of issues with property rights, not some altruistic religious notion.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 8:39:54am

I get everyone focusing on Collins, but let’s not forget the other GOPers who were more than happy to sign off on the unqualified hacks lacking in character and judgment who are actually up for reelection in November.

Vote those GOPers out of office.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 8:41:02am

re: #379 lawhawk

I get everyone focusing on Collins, but let’s not forget the other GOPers who were more than happy to sign off on the unqualified hacks lacking in character and judgment who are actually up for reelection in November.

Vote those GOPers out of office.

GOP senators are fungible.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 8:41:59am

re: #377 Targetpractice

Collins is the sort of person that scam artists get rich off swindling. Again and again, she’s been made “promises” or “assurances” to secure her vote, only for them to fall apart as soon as the bill/nomination/etc that her vote was vital to had passed.

Lucy. Charlie Brown. Football. Again and again with these dumb shits. When is anyone going to fucking LEARN that the hard right does not negotiate in good faith?

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 8:42:00am

They, too, should go funge themselves.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 3, 2022 • 8:46:06am

re: #241 Mattand

Just so I’m clear:

The consensus this morning is that Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky are directly responsible for abortion being overturned.

Jesus Fucking Christ, people, get a grip.

I recall the 1990’s where the GOP and the RW used used every tool possible, with the help of the WSJ, to destroy Clinton from the day he was elected. They were unhappy that Nixon was forced to resign and that Bush 41 who defeated Iraq was himself defeated by Clinton. Remember this did not start with Monica; it all started with the GOP inability to prove that Clinton murdered Vince Foster, that Whitewater was worse than Watergate, that Clinton was involved in a string of murders to conceal something or other, etc.

Clinton did not lose the House and Senate because of Monica; he lost them earlier because he dared to raise taxes on the more affluent, because the Dems couldn’t get their act together to support health care reform, and because Gingrich was a master of deceit. The impeachment was all due to GOP failure to prove anything substantive about Clinton’s actions. Gore did not lose 2000 because of Monica but because the press did not like him and purity ponies like Sarandon actively worked against him (and SCOTUS was run by RW hacks).

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Sherlock Hound  May 3, 2022 • 8:50:11am

re: #381 Dopamine Fish

Lucy. Charlie Brown. Football. Again and again with these dumb shits. When is anyone going to fucking LEARN that the hard right does not negotiate in good faith?

JFK had this to say about Russians, but it applies to Republicans.

You cannot negotiate with someone who says “What’s mine is mine, and what’s yours is negotiable.”

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steve_davis  May 3, 2022 • 8:50:52am

re: #381 Dopamine Fish

Lucy. Charlie Brown. Football. Again and again with these dumb shits. When is anyone going to fucking LEARN that the hard right does not negotiate in good faith?

the other possibility of course is that she isn’t a gullible moron, but that she is doing exactly what she wishes to do in a state that would throw her out if she didn’t make a really excellent pretense of being moderate. I have not looked, but it would not surprise me to discover that Collins votes the Trump line more than 90% of the time.

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Crush White Nationalism  May 3, 2022 • 8:51:11am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 8:51:19am

Ron makes a good point here:

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2022 • 8:55:28am

re: #386 Punish Domestic Terrorists

So many replies begging Biden to expand SCOTUS as if he can just snap his fingers and make it happen.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 9:00:07am

re: #387 Eclectic Cyborg

Ron makes a good point here:

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i disagree
it’s not zero sum. no one who was giving money to the Rs (because abortion) is now gonna give it to the D’s

and all they gotta do is: “you have to keep sending us money. we must continue the fight so the D’s don’t reverse all our work”

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Jay C  May 3, 2022 • 9:00:58am

re: #371 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Susan Collins Told American Women to Trust Her to Protect Roe. She Lied. (The Daily Beast)

Even if Collins hadn’t voted for Justice Beerboy, wouldn’t he have still been confirmed with a tiebreaker from VP Pence with a 49-49 vote?

And Sen. Susan Collins, for all her “concern” doesn’t really have much to worry about: she has four more years left in her term.

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Dave In Austin  May 3, 2022 • 9:01:16am
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Mike Lamb  May 3, 2022 • 9:01:27am

re: #231 Dr. Matt

Oh FFS

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Sure, Jan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2022 • 9:01:44am

re: #163 Decatur Deb

Good guess at where abortion access will be impacted. In most of these states it will be a plus for GOP candidates.

Here’s Where Abortion Will Likely Be Illegal If SCOTUS Overturns Roe
huffpost.com

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William Lewis  May 3, 2022 • 9:02:00am

re: #378 steve_davis

oh good grief. abortions were outlawed in the western world for one simple reason: until the late nineteenth century, an overwhelming belief was that the male sperm provided all of the impetus for how the female egg developed. Women were merely vessels for the incubation process. And children were effectively owned by their fathers. Abortion was outlawed because of issues with property rights, not some altruistic religious notion.

There actually were religious issues in early Christianity - predominantly as a point of difference with the Roman culture of exposure and forced abortion, depending on social status and the like. It made a very strong way of making progress in converting women and slaves. This was aided by the fact that it was only abortion after “quickening”.

Later it became much more like what you describe. Until today.

OTOH, If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 9:04:38am

re: #389 Dangerman

i disagree
it’s not zero sum. no one who was giving money to the Rs (because abortion) is now gonna give it to the D’s

and all they gotta do is: “you have to keep sending us money. we must continue the fight so the D’s don’t reverse all our work”

Either that, or, “We won this battle, but now we need to go to bat against the evils of transgenderism. Keep giving us money so that we can continue winning the culture war.” I.e. moving on to the next goalpost in their ever-expanding list of cultural bugaboos.

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sagehen  May 3, 2022 • 9:05:27am

re: #383 Hecuba’s daughter

Clinton did not lose the House and Senate because of Monica; he lost them earlier because he dared to raise taxes on the more affluent, because the Dems couldn’t get their act together to support health care reform, and because Gingrich was a master of deceit. The impeachment was all due to GOP failure to prove anything substantive about Clinton’s actions. Gore did not lose 2000 because of Monica but because the press did not like him and purity ponies like Sarandon actively worked against him (and SCOTUS was run by RW hacks).

and the assault weapons ban.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 9:10:32am

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) said a draft Supreme Court opinion aimed at possibly overturning Roe V. Wade “rocks my confidence in the court right now,” Politico reports.

Said Murkowski: “Roe is still the law of the land. We don’t know the direction that this decision may ultimately take. Sen. Collins and I in February introduced a bill that would codify Roe v. Wade. I thought it made sense then and I think it makes perhaps more sense now.”

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 9:11:18am
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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 9:12:54am

here’s a statement from U.S. Chief Justice John Roberts claiming SCOTUS has a right to privacy.

:

“To the extent this betrayal of the confidences of the Court was intended to undermine the integrity of our operations, it will not succeed. The work of the Court will not be affected in any way.

“We at the Court are blessed to have a workforce — permanent employees and law clerks alike — intensely loyal to the institution and dedicated to the rule of law. Court employees have an exemplary and important tradition of respecting the confidentiality of the judicial process and upholding the trust of the Court. This was a singular and egregious breach of that trust that is an affront to the Court and the community of public servants who work here.

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stpaulbear  May 3, 2022 • 9:13:41am

Look at what’s behind Beau’s left shoulder.

Youtube Video

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 9:13:46am

re: #397 Dangerman

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) said a draft Supreme Court opinion aimed at possibly overturning Roe V. Wade “rocks my confidence in the court right now,” Politico reports.

“Rock me Lisa, rock me all night long.” (Still can’t get my head back from the blues fest.)

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Mike Lamb  May 3, 2022 • 9:14:36am

re: #354 Dopamine Fish

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Susan Collins, with all due respect (that is to say, none at all), GO FUCK YOURSELF. We TOLD you they were snakes. You were “concerned”. And that was the end of it.

Sweet hey-zeus. So what the fuck are you going to do about it Susie?

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Hecuba's daughter  May 3, 2022 • 9:15:18am

re: #350 The Pie Overlord!

UGH

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 9:15:46am

re: #400 stpaulbear

Took a moment.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 3, 2022 • 9:15:51am

re: #399 Dangerman

here’s a statement from U.S. Chief Justice John Roberts claiming SCOTUS has a right to privacy.

:

and:
“I have directed the Marshal of the Court to launch an investigation into the source of the leak.”

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 9:18:06am

re: #405 Shropshire Slasher

and:
“I have directed the Marshal of the Court to launch an investigation into the source of the leak.”

Sure, and what crime are you going to charge them with? Trespass to feels?

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Shropshire Slasher  May 3, 2022 • 9:19:02am

re: #406 Dopamine Fish

Sure, and what crime are you going to charge them with? Trespass to feels?

Does it rise to the level of impeachment if it was a justice?

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Eventual Carrion  May 3, 2022 • 9:19:07am

re: #320 lawhawk

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Then I can take out a life insurance policy on my “grandchild” as soon as one of my kids spouses gets pregnant. According to the prevailing statistics, only 30% of actual conceptions make it to birth. That should suck the insurance companies dry pretty quickly.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 3, 2022 • 9:19:36am

re: #374 JC1

He lost his home state of TN because he turned against big tobacco in a state heavily reliant on it. He was an okay candidate with a horrible wife and a horrible running mate.

It’s not like TN was going to support a Jewish running mate.

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Decatur Deb  May 3, 2022 • 9:21:00am

re: #406 Dopamine Fish

Sure, and what crime are you going to charge them with? Trespass to feels?

Blast from the past:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 3, 2022 • 9:24:04am

re: #389 Dangerman

Agree with you. The line by the GOP will still be - Give us money and your vote to protect the unborn children from the satanic Democrats.

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Dangerman  May 3, 2022 • 9:24:56am

re: #410 Decatur Deb

Blast from the past:

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Fins!!!!!!

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Eventual Carrion  May 3, 2022 • 9:26:23am

re: #338 lawhawk

I’m guessing this is a concurrence to Roberts limiting Roe or Alito speaking for the 5 right wing extremists ending Roe altogether. Either way, Alito isn’t mincing words here - he and the rest of the extremists are out to shred privacy rights and anything not explicit in the Constitution on the day it was enacted.

That would do away with their sacred second amendment.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 9:27:42am

re: #413 Eventual Carrion

That would do away with their sacred second amendment.

Nope. Because this is an activist right wing take - they’ll consider firearms to be essential and unfettered right. But they’ll shred all the other Bill of Rights too.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 9:27:52am

re: #413 Eventual Carrion

That would do away with their sacred second amendment.

No, because that’s a “deeply rooted” American right.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 3, 2022 • 9:29:36am

re: #413 Eventual Carrion

That would do away with their sacred second amendment.

Maybe gun crime will get so bad the American public will demand an end to the 2nd amendment.

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Captain Magic  May 3, 2022 • 9:32:05am

re: #387 Eclectic Cyborg

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Captain Magic  May 3, 2022 • 9:35:34am

re: #400 stpaulbear

Look at what’s behind Beau’s left shoulder.

Subtle as a sledgehammer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2022 • 9:36:15am

re: #244 mmmirele

OK, this article is four years old, but it mentions things we need to know about abortion. Specifically, there are people out there who have been trained to perform abortions outside of clinic settings. Basically, it’s a revival of the Jane Collective.

theguardian.com

If Roe is overturned, abortion instantly becomes illegal here in Arizona. California is 200 miles thataway and the Mexican border, where misoprostol is sold in pharmacies, is about 150 miles thataway. None of us know when a pregnant relative may approach us, so we have to be prepared.

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Teukka  May 3, 2022 • 9:36:52am

re: #400 stpaulbear

Look at what’s behind Beau’s left shoulder.

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Video

I strongly suspect that what is really the motivation behind banning abortions is that doing so helps hide the failures of social and economic policy that drive some people to having abortions..

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 9:37:01am

re: #416 Shropshire Slasher

Maybe gun crime will get so bad the American public will demand an end to the 2nd amendment.

We said that after they SHOT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS TO DEATH at Sandy Hook, but literally nothing changed. If a pile of dead schoolkids isn’t enough to move Americans’ apathy over toxic gun culture, nothing is.

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William Lewis  May 3, 2022 • 9:39:08am

re: #416 Shropshire Slasher

Maybe gun crime will get so bad the American public will demand an end to the 2nd amendment.

The only response to gun crime is the GOP to say “MORE GUNZ”.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 9:39:23am
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William Lewis  May 3, 2022 • 9:39:46am

re: #418 Captain Magic

Subtle as a sledgehammer.

Well, someone hit me, I’m not seeing anything.

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lawhawk  May 3, 2022 • 9:40:48am
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darthstar  May 3, 2022 • 9:41:41am

It was a good morning for reflection.

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Mattand  May 3, 2022 • 9:49:16am

re: #383 Hecuba’s daughter

I recall the 1990’s where the GOP and the RW used used every tool possible, with the help of the WSJ, to destroy Clinton from the day he was elected. They were unhappy that Nixon was forced to resign and that Bush 41 who defeated Iraq was himself defeated by Clinton. Remember this did not start with Monica; it all started with the GOP inability to prove that Clinton murdered Vince Foster, that Whitewater was worse than Watergate, that Clinton was involved in a string of murders to conceal something or other, etc.

Clinton did not lose the House and Senate because of Monica; he lost them earlier because he dared to raise taxes on the more affluent, because the Dems couldn’t get their act together to support health care reform, and because Gingrich was a master of deceit. The impeachment was all due to GOP failure to prove anything substantive about Clinton’s actions. Gore did not lose 2000 because of Monica but because the press did not like him and purity ponies like Sarandon actively worked against him (and SCOTUS was run by RW hacks).

THANK YOU.

Like I said, everyone has a right to be pissed off right now, but these “This is Clintons’/Gore’s fault” hot takes are exactly what Republicans and Fox News wants every liberal and Democrat to say right now.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 3, 2022 • 9:50:22am

re: #407 Shropshire Slasher

Does it rise to the level of impeachment if it was a justice?

According to Jonah it does. But he will change his tune if it’s one if the Conservafascists.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 3, 2022 • 9:50:46am

re: #425 lawhawk

They didn’t abolish it when they had the trifecta; not clear that McConnell would do it now, unless they were certain that voting suppression would prevent Democrats from ever regaining power again.

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Dopamine Fish  May 3, 2022 • 9:53:51am

re: #429 Hecuba’s daughter

They didn’t abolish it when they had the trifecta; not clear that McConnell would do it now, unless they were certain that voting suppression would prevent Democrats from ever regaining power again.

The filibuster is still a useful tool when they’re in the majority; even though they control the Senate’s agenda, it’s still possible for things to slip through, and then they still have the filibuster as a “nuclear option” (or, as referenced earlier, a bad-faith tool for when they negotiate to allow the minority to bring a bill to the floor and promise not to filibuster it, and then, “oops, I filibustered it”).

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sagehen  May 3, 2022 • 10:01:57am

re: #424 William Lewis

Well, someone hit me, I’m not seeing anything.

wire coat hanger on the bookcase.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2022 • 10:09:34am

re: #360 lawhawk

It was seven unelected lawyers who declared to the American people that the voters no longer have the right to make decisions about abortion.”

That makes no sense at all, unless he means voters no longer had the right to make decisions about other people’s abortion decisions.


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