The Bob Cesca Podcast: Never Mind the Death Threats

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Never Mind The Death Threats — [Explicit Content] Jenna Ellis has flipped in Fulton County. Ellis is the fourth co-conspirator to plead guilty in that case. Jenna’s teary eyed confession. Trump says Sidney Powell was never his lawyer. Michael Cohen is in court today to testify against Trump. Tom Emmer emerges as the frontrunner for speaker, but Trump has been circulating oppo research against him. Does Rep. Steve Womack listen to this show? Tiny Trump in New Hampshire tells his fanboys not to vote. He also says he was never indicted. With Buzz Burbank, music by Firefall, Lonny Paul, and more!

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1
Dangerman  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:37:28am

re: #78 Florida Panhandler

None of the New Testament was written by actual Apostles. The books of the New Testament were written by 3rd party accounts decades after the character of Jesus was supposed to have died. Many Christian cults had sprung up during this time and differing accounts competed for attention and scholarship.

The fact that contemporary accounts of the character of Jesus are non-existent during the time he was accounted as being alive serve as a disturbing for those believe out of pure faith that he indeed existed. The Rabbinical authorities as well as Romans were notorious for their record keeping and accounting of various rabble-rousers and trouble makers. The Jesus as described in the Bible appears nowhere in official documents, the “historian” Flavius Josephus gives accounts of Jesus and well as John the Baptist, but again, he only documents tales told to him by 3rd party stories decades after the fact and was never an eyewitness to any of these events or characters.

Read Misquoting Jesus
The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why

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Teukka  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:38:23am

Oof. And my hunch is that the IDF clapback is 100% accurate…

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:40:13am

Mastodon

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Dave In Austin  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:42:19am
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No Malarkey!  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:43:32am

It probably won’t surprise anyone here that shockingly racist comments about Fulton County are being posted at FreeRepublic in reaction to Ellis’ guilty plea. I won’t provide a link or even a screenshot of the filth.

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A Cranky One  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:43:43am

My son took his family to a Halloween party. This was their costume

They were

Click to Reveal

A French kiss

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BigPapa  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:43:48am

Wingnut on wingnut violence is my kink.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:45:12am

re: #4 Dave In Austin

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BlueSpotinAL ✅  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:45:34am

re: #79 darthstar

Lassie was a girl.

All the dogs in the show were male, the character was female. OMG, the Lassie TV show was woke!

P.S. Be careful of a Google search of the terms sex + lassies

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No Malarkey!  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:46:33am

Sure “Mike Johnson”

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Dave In Austin  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:47:11am
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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:49:18am

Mastodon

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:50:19am

re: #9 BlueSpotinAL ✅

All the dogs in the show were male, the character was female. OMG, the Lassie TV show was woke!

P.S. Be careful of a Google search of the terms sex + lassies

She said Hey babe…take a walk on the wild side…

But I always got a chuckle out of this version

GEFILTE JOE & THE FISH - Walk On The Kosher Side

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:52:54am

re: #4 Dave In Austin

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She keeps throwing these around like they’ve actually managed to do something. It’s 20 days later and “Speaker-Designate” still hasn’t become the Speaker of the House.

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:54:05am

Trump Knifes Emmer Saying He Would Be a Mistake

With Rep. Tom Emmer (R-MN) more than two dozen votes short to become speaker, Donald Trump slammed him on Truth Social as a “RINO” who “never respected the Power of a Trump Endorsement, or the breadth and scope of MAGA.”

Said Trump: “He fought me all the way, and actually spent more time defending Ilhan Omar, than he did me—He is totally out-of-touch with Republican Voters. I believe he has now learned his lesson, because he is saying that he is Pro-Trump all the way, but who can ever be sure? Has he only changed because that’s what it takes to win?”

More: “The Republican Party cannot take that chance, because that’s not where the America First Voters are. Voting for a Globalist RINO like Tom Emmer would be a tragic mistake!”

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gocart mozart  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:56:21am
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steve_davis  Oct 24, 2023 • 11:57:24am

re: #1 Dangerman

Read Misquoting Jesus
The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why

John was the youngest Apostle. Matthew was an Apostle. Mark was a direct follower of Peter.

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gocart mozart  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:00:26pm
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nines09  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:01:02pm

It never happened…………..

Lassie Timmy Fell Down the Well —- This Never Happened Episode 4

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:02:40pm

‘Netanyahu Got All the Warnings,’ Says Former Head of Israeli Military Intelligence (Politico)

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:03:22pm

Starting to see the Green Lantern left coming out again, saying they won’t support Biden because [ fill in the blank ].

And in every case, if Trump is elected again, their reason for not supporting Biden will undoubtedly happen in reality and things will be much worse, perhaps for the rest of their lives.

Some of these people will end up voting for him anyway, but if this attitude spreads it could be the last election we’ll ever see.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:03:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:04:43pm

Tom Emmer, who I admit I’ve never heard of before this morning, is now the nominee for Speaker. Here we go again.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:05:26pm

re: #38 steve_davis

Uhm, Jesus is not fictional. His divinity may be fictional, depending on one’s personal beliefs, but a bunch of people wrote gospels based on their time spent running around with him, or running around with his immediate followers.

No. None of the gospels are first hand accounts.

Indeed, the well known “synoptic problem” is best solved by the author of “Matthew” and then the author of “Luke” just copying the book of Mark.

And Mark itself looks to be influenced by Paul and his followers.

This is why secular scholarship is so avoided in Christian institutions, because the former undermines the very traditional assumptions of what the NT really is.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:06:31pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

How many years did the Cubs have to go before they won a World Series?

There’s always hope!

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:07:16pm

HE WAS ON SHROOMS!

Pilot who tried to shut off engines may have been on mushrooms - Los Angeles Times

latimes.com

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Unabogie  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:07:58pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

HE WAS ON SHROOMS!

Pilot who tried to shut off engines may have been on mushrooms - Los Angeles Times

latimes.com

As one does.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:08:03pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

HE WAS ON SHROOMS!

Pilot who tried to shut off engines may have been on mushrooms - Los Angeles Times

latimes.com

They were probably too noisy, harshing his mellow.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:08:31pm

The Lonely Island - Shrooms Music Video

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lawhawk  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:08:44pm

GOP refuses to find anyone willing to be Speaker or acceptable to the caucus that can get the necessary votes in session.

They’re out of alternatives, and will not seek to caucus with Democrats to get a Speaker, because obstruction is their very goal.

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Belafon  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:08:58pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

HE WAS ON SHROOMS!

Pilot who tried to shut off engines may have been on mushrooms - Los Angeles Times

latimes.com

“Look, if everyone would just open the windows and hold out their arms, we could save on fuel.”

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:12:37pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

HE WAS ON SHROOMS!

Pilot who tried to shut off engines may have been on mushrooms - Los Angeles Times

latimes.com

he was gonna fly one way or another…

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:12:47pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

HE WAS ON SHROOMS!

Attack of the Mushroom People Official Trailer

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dat_said  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:13:29pm

Politico: Emmer’s opponents dig in, as his allies work to avoid a repeat catastrophe

“I don’t want us to go out there and, in front of the entire world, puke on our shoes again. That’s what we’ve been doing,” said Rep. Bill Huizenga (R-Mich.). Or, in other words, he said: “Let’s get our poop in a group, people.”

I love these folksy aphorisms from our good ol’ boys salt of the earth people

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nines09  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:14:23pm

instagram.com

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:16:33pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Tom Emmer, who I admit I’ve never heard of before this morning, is now the nominee for Speaker. Here we go again.

Since he’s from MN, I know who he is. He’s fairly typical for a MN Republican, which is to say, you pretty much get what it says on the box: White, male, older, wealthy, God, Guns, Babies. His overall policy mix is probably pretty mild for a Republican, and there is the fact that he voted to certify Biden’s election (notwithstanding that abominable lawsuit). He’s about the most middle-of-the-road candidate you could expect for a Republican Speaker - which is, of course, to say that he’s an absolute non-starter to the Freedumb Caucus.

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Interesting Times  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:17:24pm

re: #34 dat_said

“Let’s get our poop in a group, people.”

Is that the GOP version of Elf on a Shelf?

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:23:03pm

@taniel.bsky.social

With Trump’s offensive against Emmer, any doubt is removed: the next speaker’s vote to overturn the 2020 presidential election won’t just be a coincidence — it’ll be a central reason why they’re holding the gavel.

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dat_said  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:25:23pm

re: #37 Interesting Times

Is that the GOP version of Elf on a Shelf?

Available at Walmart:

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:26:07pm

Mastodon

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No Malarkey!  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:28:40pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Starting to see the Green Lantern left coming out again, saying they won’t support Biden because [ fill in the blank ].

And in every case, if Trump is elected again, their reason for not supporting Biden will undoubtedly happen in reality and things will be much worse, perhaps for the rest of their lives.

Some of these people will end up voting for him anyway, but if this attitude spreads it could be the last election we’ll ever see.

For example, young voters are supposedly opposing Biden, in part due to his support for Israel.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:32:49pm

One more time: the only people clamoring for self-driving vehicles are the job-killers taking their profits at the top.

@awgordon.bsky.social

So the Cruise situation is actually quite bad. They initially pretended their car didn’t drag the pedestrian 20 feet underneath the car when showing the video to the DMV. Only when the DMV heard from another agency this happened did Cruise provide the full video.
vice.com

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:34:43pm
Lindow said Cruise is pausing operations on driverless cars in San Francisco as a result of the suspension.

“Ultimately, we develop and deploy autonomous vehicles in an effort to save lives,” Lindow said.

You fucking liar.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:36:26pm

re: #43 jaunte

You fucking liar.

“And by lives, we mean the lives of our CEOs and their families, who are sick and tired of relying on human employees.”

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:37:16pm

GM is in it to eliminate truck driving as a paid job.

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:37:46pm

God damn it, NPR. You were doing so well.

Mastodon

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Vicious Babushka  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:38:00pm

re: #41 No Malarkey!

For example, young voters are supposedly opposing Biden, in part due to his support for Israel.

Compounded in part by media being too eager to promote Hamas talking points & too slow to pick up Israeli rebuttals.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:38:18pm
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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:38:19pm

re: #42 jaunte

Elderly human drivers also drive with people under their car. There are far more dangerous cars on the road due to their driver than due to automation. Automation that works can get them off the road.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:40:03pm

re: #45 jaunte

GM is in it to eliminate truck driving as a paid job.

Which we all would benefit from. Computers are more reliable than people are once you have a good process in place. A computer won’t be driving on meth to hit the goals that their manager demands.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:40:03pm

re: #49 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

I don’t think they should be allowed to run their technology experiments among people that haven’t volunteered.

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Belafon  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:42:07pm

re: #42 jaunte

One more time: the only people clamoring for self-driving vehicles are the job-killers taking their profits at the top.

I would love to have a self-driving car, but we are really far away from them. Everyday, we ask people to do a task on the order of surgery. That’s going to take a lot of work to automate, especially since there would be no way to replace every car all at once.

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No Malarkey!  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:43:43pm

re: #46 Nerdy Fish

God damn it, NPR. You were doing so well.

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As with disputes between the Democrats and the GOP, NPR’s job is simply to transcribe the statements made by Israel and Hamas rather than doing any sort of independent reporting to determine the facts./

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:44:40pm

re: #51 jaunte

I don’t think they should be allowed to run their technology experiments among people that haven’t volunteered.

You volunteer when you go out in public, just like with human drivers that may run you over. There’s hysteria over self-driving cars, because people don’t want to admit how fallible people are, and people fear change. Human drivers are more dangerous, and so are other technologies like social media.

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:44:45pm

re: #52 Belafon

I would love to have a self-driving car, but we are really far away from them. Everyday, we ask people to do a task on the order of surgery. That’s going to take a lot of work to automate, especially since there would be no way to replace every car all at once.

I would much prefer if self-driving cars were put off until roads provided built-in capabilities to support self-driving cars, rather than relying on “AI” technology to recognize the existing road conditions.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:45:23pm

re: #55 Nerdy Fish

If they could be isolated in a tunnel maybe, like a subway.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:45:49pm

O_o

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No Malarkey!  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:45:53pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:46:38pm

re: #55 Nerdy Fish

I would much prefer if self-driving cars were put off until roads provided built-in capabilities to support self-driving cars, rather than relying on “AI” technology to recognize the existing road conditions.

Seconded. Self driving cars in a place with snow and ice in the winter seems like a major recipe for disaster.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:46:43pm

The fantasy is an automated system that can respond to complex unexpected emergencies with no human intervention.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:47:12pm

AI isn’t there yet.

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:50:53pm

re: #54 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

You volunteer when you go out in public, just like with human drivers that may run you over. There’s hysteria over self-driving cars, because people don’t want to admit how fallible people are, and people fear change. Human drivers are more dangerous, and so are other technologies like social media.

No, that’s not how this works. When companies are testing new products, they ask for volunteers. Car companies test cars on tracks with volunteer drivers. Food companies test new recipes with volunteer eaters. You don’t “volunteer” to be some company’s guinea pig just by walking out the front door of your house.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:50:54pm

I’m not opposed to the idea of autonomous vehicles on principle. If someone could make it work it does have potential to make private transport much safer.

It’s just that the current state of AV software, after billions of dollars and many years of development and testing, is simply not acceptable for use on real-life roads in real-life conditions. I don’t think it’s even very close yet.

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:54:40pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

There’s a lot about driving that can (now, or eventually) be safely automated, and should. I genuinely feel it should be more of a collaborative effort, of building infrastructure to enable automation so that the automation is easier to implement and more reliable as a result. As you say, real-life roads in real-life conditions right now are not suitable for the current state of automation.

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JC1  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:57:32pm

re: #60 jaunte

The fantasy is an automated system that can respond to complex unexpected emergencies with no human intervention.

The potential system outputs are quite finite (slow down, speed up, continue, turn left, turn right; granted with a lot of degrees of each).

Self driving systems don’t have to be perfect, and they never will be. They just have to be X times better than the average human driver. I don’t know what X should be; that’s a value call for society and politicians to figure out.

Self driving systems also potentially never get distracted, tired, with the right sensors can have complete awareness of everything around them.

Humans are a poor temporary solution to the driver problem.

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Vicious Babushka  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:59:09pm

Self-driving cars are perfect as long as they are driving themselves on roads made exclusively for automatic vehicles. Put them among human drivers on the road & shit gets fucked up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2023 • 12:59:14pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

I’m not opposed to the idea of autonomous vehicles on principle. If someone could make it work it does have potential to make private transport much safer.

It’s just that the current state of AV software, after billions of dollars and many years of development and testing, is simply not acceptable for use on real-life roads in real-life conditions. I don’t think it’s even very close yet.

THIS.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:00:32pm

re: #66 Vicious Babushka

roads made exclusively for automatic vehicles

That’s where the system outputs can potentially be finite.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:02:27pm

Did Apple just make my computer buying decision for me?

Youtube Video

..

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:02:56pm

We would probably be better served as a society by concentrating on building more separate bike roads like the Dutch.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:04:52pm

Mastodon

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:06:42pm
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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:07:12pm

re: #71 Backwoods Sleuth

He is losing his “empire” and a whole lot more.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:10:30pm

kezi.com

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:10:36pm

re: #16 gocart mozart

I love how she mentions that she’s a Christian. Shouldn’t her Christian values have stopped her from lying like a rug for a racist troll like Trump? What’s the purpose of being a Christian if you engage in criminal activities like the rest of us heathens? **rolls eyes**

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:11:01pm
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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:11:33pm

re: #76 Backwoods Sleuth

I’ve made that move.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:11:55pm

re: #74 jaunte

Oh dear!! WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL?!!

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:13:05pm

re: #78 Patricia Kayden

If we can eliminate the human threat, the robots should be safe.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:17:07pm

Mastodon

Mastodon

Habba thinks she’s badass

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:18:33pm

re: #41 No Malarkey!

All presidents support Israel. President Biden has taken steps to push Israel into restoring water/electricity to Gaza and letting humanitarian aid enter Gaza. He also asked that Israel exercise restraint in its ground invasion. What more is he supposed to do? He’s being as fair and balanced as any other President could be.

Some people are going to find reasons not to vote for him no matter what he does. I’m sick of them. They can see who is running against him but still run their mouths against him as if we have an alternative.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:19:21pm

Meme away……

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:20:01pm

re: #1 Dangerman

Read Misquoting Jesus
The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why

About the time as a teenager when I had a Baptist girlfriend who was trying to get me interested in Jesus (and we were all listening to Jesus Christ Superstar on our cassette players) I was also fortunate enough to have a History teacher who taught us about the Historical Method and the importance of relying on authentic original source materials and to view even those critically.

So when I came to look into the Bible, the first thing I noticed was this fundamental lack of original authenticity and hence I read them in that sense. Now I see why so many people found Dan Brown’s Da Vince Code such a revelation to them: most of what we call Christianity is at best third-hand, while the rest made up entirely - decades and even centuries after the fact.

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:20:10pm

re: #73 PhillyPretzel ✅

He is losing his “empire” and a whole lot more.

and he cant say or do anything about it at the moment

it’s galling him that he’s not the all hail the big cheese right now

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:20:41pm

re: #82 Dave In Austin

When I (DT thinking) get re-elected President (I personally hope not(me)) I will get even with them all.

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:25:50pm

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

most of what we call Christianity is at best third-hand, while the rest made up entirely - decades and even centuries after the fact.

whereas most people believe it’s the originally, at the time, directly handed down word of god, just once, inerrant and has never changed through time, transcription or translation

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wrenchwench  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:26:08pm

re: #32 Backwoods Sleuth

he was gonna fly one way or another…

And another Oregonian wants to get high and commit murder.

Mastodon

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:26:17pm

re: #42 jaunte

One more time: the only people clamoring for self-driving vehicles are the job-killers taking their profits at the top.

They will come just as horseless carriages came and put the farriers and buggy whip makers out of work.

I will be happy when I can actually go out and get drunk and/or stoned and let my car drive me back home with some realistic expectation of safety,

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:27:48pm

re: #85 PhillyPretzel ✅

When I (DT thinking) get re-elected President (I personally hope not(me)) I will get even with them all.

a big ol’ fifth grader’s “you’ll be sorry…”

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steve_davis  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:28:40pm

re: #72 Backwoods Sleuth

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Trump will shortly be going to jail.. There’s no way he’s not going to attack a witness on Truth Social and I’m pretty sure that will be the end of it for Engoran.

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:30:07pm

um, erm…

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:30:13pm

re: #89 Dangerman

Exactly. It was one of those things that I heard about when he was first running for President. He bragged that his teachers hated him and that is how ended up in military school.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:30:18pm

re: #82 Dave In Austin

Meme away……

[Embedded content]

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:30:19pm
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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:30:44pm

re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You may be able to tell from my user name that I’m holding out for teleportation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:30:56pm

re: #90 steve_davis

Trump will shortly be going to jail.. There’s no way he’s not going to attack a witness on Truth Social and I’m pretty sure that will be the end of it for Engoran.

Then he will paint himself as a pitiful victim of Free Speech and his base will lap it up and media will just nod and assent and treat his claims as if they had some validity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:31:27pm

re: #95 jaunte

You my be able to tell from my user name that I’m holding out for teleportation.

Folding space!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:31:32pm

re: #94 Backwoods Sleuth

SMDH.

It’s just a never ending shitshow with these people.

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:31:40pm

A twice impeached, one-term, sexual abuser & business fraud former so-called President charged 91 times in 4 different jurisdictions for everything from stealing our nuclear secrets to trying to overthrow our government is jetting around the country like he’s some goddamn melon-hued Messiah and frankly, it’s fucking insane.

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Vicious Babushka  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:33:25pm

Regarding this meme of “buggy whip manufacturers” there were none. There were industries that supplied leather goods to the horse trade. Not just “buggy whips” but saddles, bridles, tack, harness, boots, dusters, etc.

These industries survived by providing other types of goods, like car seat covers, clothing, shoes, luggage.

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b.d.  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:33:39pm

Remember being chastised that not supporting McCarthy keeping the Speakership was a huge mistakes by Dems…
🤣🤣

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:33:52pm
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steve_davis  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:35:50pm

re: #94 Backwoods Sleuth

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i’m confused. isn’t he the one who wash post was just saying got the votes to at least get to the floor?

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Captain Magic  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:35:51pm

Do not expect the GOP to actually have a speaker before the government runs out the clock on getting a budget passed - that has been their goal all along.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:35:53pm
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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:36:56pm

re: #93 Eclectic Cyborg

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“how come the audience isnt bigger?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:37:06pm

Official theme of the House GOP:

-Yakety Sax- Music

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:40:05pm

re: #94 Backwoods Sleuth

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omg i just scared the cats and hurt myself

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:40:06pm

re: #99 Dangerman

The problem is that Trump could win in 2024. So he’s jetting around as if he could win the presidency. And he’s right. Between the extreme left who will find any reason not to support President Biden and encourage others not to support him and the extreme right, Trump may just pull it off like he did in 2016. That’s why we have to remain vigilant, encourage our friends and family to vote and do all we can to reelect President Biden (donate $$$, volunteer for get out the vote endeavors, etc.). I have no doubt that Trump could win again despite being a maniacal, dangerous liar.

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:40:10pm

There’s an old adage that, in the future, everyone will be famous for 15 minutes.

The modern version states that, in the future, everyone will be Speaker of the House for 15 minutes

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Vicious Babushka  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:40:12pm

The GOP right now.

Great 3 Stooges Running Gag: “Musical Doors”

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:40:41pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:42:35pm

re: #54 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

You volunteer when you go out in public, just like with human drivers that may run you over. There’s hysteria over self-driving cars, because people don’t want to admit how fallible people are, and people fear change. Human drivers are more dangerous, and so are other technologies like social media.


Because for the small number of self-driving cars that are about, they have a lot of issues that complicate driving for everyone else—one squishy human error in the training process means myriad cars making the same error, with the number of potential sources of error being infinite because algorithms aren’t very good at the kind of generalization that humans use to follow rules. Automated cars fuck up regularly because they can’t interpret, and thus sometimes “see” or “not see” stimuli that a human driver is capable of grokking via heuristics. The most sophisticated systems depend on the cars being constantly networked, and if/when that data flow is impaired they fuck up quite dramatically: go look at what Waymo cars get up to regularly (like freezing and being unable to move for firetrucks and ambulances).

It’s also notable that autonomous cars are not magic and function mostly via a hidden workforce of poorly paid Mechanical Turks that “train” the machine, meaning that contrary to how they’re presented they require whole sweatshops of menially-compensated foreign workers to operate. So autonomous cars aren’t just buzzing pests on the road, they’re the continuation of hiding and devaluing labor necessary to keep infrastructure running.

This is compounded by the fact that producers of self-driving cars regularly lie about their degree of sophistication, and have been caught faking demonstrations of their product’s efficacy. Which points to the larger, systemic issue of autonomous vehicles: that you have to trust that a company that’s, by nature, incentivized to do things the cheapest way but also to minimize their culpability, to create the basic infrastructure of how everyone moves around. Tesla has already been caught doing the kind of Mephistopholean comma-fucking wherein Tesla don’t crash on autopilot because autopilot disengages split seconds before a colllision. Mistrust is a good idea precisely because these shitheads that want to make money, but not take responsibility for the fucking products, keep telling us that the thing is inevitable.

This is also compounded by the way that self-driving vehicles further blur whether or not you own a product you purchase—autonomous cars can repossessing themselves is in the works— and just absolutely blow away the notion of privacy. It’s a valid concern in a car-dependent culture that your personal vehicle now has a landlord that can kill it’s functionality, and has no incentive to build forgiveness or nuance into the process that bricks your vehicle, because every failure is a chance to force another sale.

They’re also just a fucking nuisance because they represent the making-worse of existing car culture: autonomous cars further exaggerate the problems we all experience with everyone being on the road in a personal vehicle. Even the ideal future—where these things fucking work and don’t err because they can’t tell a sign with bird shit on it is a sign—is the rest of us swamped by empty cars

On the other hand, maybe people are just stupid because of their wandering wombs and should stop whining about this thing that can’t possibly go wrong and is being pushed by people that should totally be trusted because they’re not Palo Alto libertarians that want to destroy all common wealth and financialize everything, and haven’t actively lied about what their products are capable of already. This is internet discourse, after all, and therefore just calling people crazy and dumb is the real winning move, so clearly I’m the fucking rube in this situation.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:43:17pm
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Romantic Heretic  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:43:19pm

re: #57 Backwoods Sleuth

Trump adjust his golf schedule?

Talk about dreaming in Technicolor™.

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:44:26pm

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

The GOP right now.

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B. Bunny did it too

YouTube

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:46:12pm


Gurman is the main prognosticators of future Apple products.

He often gives contradictory predictions.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:46:17pm

re: #113 The Ghost of a Flea

a company that’s, by nature, incentivized to do things the cheapest way but also to minimize their culpability

Ding ding ding

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:47:08pm
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darthstar  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:48:21pm

Mastodon

Mastodon

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:48:41pm

re: #114 Backwoods Sleuth

Mao ZeTrump and his Red Guards have scored another scalp.

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darthstar  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:48:55pm

I’ve seen legal rom-coms… there are rules.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:49:10pm

re: #109 Patricia Kayden

The problem is that Trump could win in 2024. So he’s jetting around as if he could win the presidency. And he’s right.

If Biden has any sort of medical condition that hospitalizes him for any length of time, the GOP will not let go of that narrative.

Trump cannot win the popular vote, nor likely the electoral vote, but if the GOP can ensure that the whole election is a chaotic even violent shitshow so that enough votes are invalidated and no single candidate can gain a majority of EC votes, then it is sent to the House where the GOP will, unlike with the Speaker, be unanimous in supporting their nominee.

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darthstar  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:49:20pm

re: #121 Joe Bacon ✅

Mao ZeTrump and his Red Guards have scored another scalp.

Elise Stefanik and her endorsement of death strikes again.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:50:21pm

And more fun as Spectrum went down while teleworking

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:51:00pm

re: #125 Joe Bacon ✅

And more fun as Spectrum went down while teleworking

Yep, I lost my internet for about 2.5 hrs or so this afternoon.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:52:32pm

Every fucking thing about “human incapacity” that could be solved by automating personal vehicles would be solved vastly more efficiently by having public transportation or just not building the world to require cars to do basic tasks.

But that doesn’t create a permanent siphon from you personal wallet to the company managing the hardware and software for your car…

…and make no mistake, enshittification of automated personal vehicles is the promised land for the makers of this shit. They don’t just want you to own their product, they want (like social media companies or Google) to keep you constantly on the hook having to pay to keep the thing minimally functional. It’s the next step beyond the current enshittification where your car has to go to a licensed dealer who’s authorized to work on it’s firmware. The dream here is rent-seeking, with the potential added bonus of every monetizable bit of data they can scrape.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:53:06pm

re: #95 jaunte

Make sure you leave the booth outside.

And we better get used to teleportation providing alibis. Oh, and flash riots.

Larry Niven wrote a whole series of stories based around teleportation and the problems associated with it.

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:55:36pm

re: #127 The Ghost of a Flea

Every fucking thing about “human incapacity” that could be solved by automating personal vehicles would be solved vastly more efficiently by having public transportation or just not building the world to require cars to do basic tasks.

But that doesn’t create a permanent siphon from you personal wallet to the company managing the hardware and software for your car…

…and make no mistake, enshittification of automated personal vehicles is the promised land for the makers of this shit. They don’t just want you to own their product, they want (like social media companies or Google) to keep you constantly on the hook having to pay to keep the thing minimally functional. It’s the next step beyond the current enshittification where your car has to go to a licensed dealer who’s authorized to work on it’s firmware. The dream here is rent-seeking, with the potential added bonus of every monetizable bit of data they can scrape.

+1

and goes to yesterday’s nonsense about buying instant car insurance right before each time you take a drive instead of a 6 month or years policy

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:56:12pm

re: #105 Backwoods Sleuth

I meant to do that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:56:52pm

re: #127 The Ghost of a Flea

The dream here is rent-seeking, with the potential added bonus of every monetizable bit of data they can scrape.

I like the notion of having a car drop me off at my destination and then go find its own parking space. at that point, ownership will be irrelevant, you want a car, you summon one or reserve it in advance for fixed appointments.

but the system will not be designed around end users, it will be designed around rent-seekers

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Dangerman  Oct 24, 2023 • 1:56:55pm

re: #108 Dangerman

omg i just scared the cats and hurt myself

i really think i busted a gut

im still recovering

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steve_davis  Oct 24, 2023 • 2:01:37pm

re: #128 Romantic Heretic

Make sure you leave the booth outside.

And we better get used to teleportation providing alibis. Oh, and flash riots.

Larry Niven wrote a whole series of stories based around teleportation and the problems associated with it.

somebody wrote a lovely novel—i’ve forgotten who—in which some system fails and suddenly people lose their teleportation abilities, meaning the poor ultra-rich bastard who had a hideaway on an otherwise desolate planet suddenly discovers he has no way back to civilization. I don’t think that was Niven, but I can’t remember who.

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 24, 2023 • 2:08:37pm

re: #95 jaunte

You may be able to tell from my user name that I’m holding out for teleportation.

No Blue jaunts please.

(The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester)

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 24, 2023 • 2:27:05pm

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I like the notion of having a car drop me off at my destination and then go find its own parking space. at that point, ownership will be irrelevant, you want a car, you summon one or reserve it in advance for fixed appointments.

but the system will not be designed around end users, it will be designed around rent-seekers

Problem is that even if you purge all the rent-seeking, each individual having the exact same preference—to have their personal vehicle hovering nearby at their convenience—will still make getting around shitty. Automated cars remove the calculation of personal time and energy investment from travel: you can now choose to travel somewhere and not-think about the implications of where your car is going to fit into the traffic flow or the parking situation. It doesn’t matter what kind of lidar-enabled ballet the cars are coordinated to do if there’s just too many of them relative to the through-put of local roads and streets.

Theoretically if every car worked perfectly it would all be “safe” but the result will still be more traffic, more time spent in a car, and more cars dominating physical spaces that could be used for people. Furthermore…being idle in your car might be better than being constantly-engaged in your car by a slender margin, but it’s still time where you’re isolated in a box surrounded by other boxes, and you’re still subject to the surge and press of traffic that creates moment to moment stress (but now you lack a sense of agency).

And…and this is me being a cynic at event horizon levels…the minute automation of driving is “perfected” there’s going to start a creep to make time in the car productive time.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Oct 24, 2023 • 2:42:55pm

re: #42 jaunte

One more time: the only people clamoring for self-driving vehicles are the job-killers taking their profits at the top.

Last day of 2018:
Wielding Rocks and Knives, Arizonans Attack Self-Driving Cars

The assailant slipped out of a park around noon one day in October, zeroing in on his target, which was idling at a nearby intersection — a self-driving van operated by Waymo, the driverless-car company spun out of Google.

He carried out his attack with an unidentified sharp object, swiftly slashing one of the tires. The suspect, identified as a white man in his 20s, then melted into the neighborhood on foot.

The slashing was one of nearly two dozen attacks on driverless vehicles over the past two years in Chandler, a city near Phoenix where Waymo started testing its vans in 2017.

Is a Butlerian Jihad in the offing?

As explained in Dune, the Butlerian Jihad is a conflict taking place over 11,000 years in the future (and over 10,000 years before the events of Dune), which results in the total destruction of virtually all forms of “computers, thinking machines, and conscious robots”. With the prohibition “Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind,” the creation of even the simplest thinking machines is outlawed and made taboo, which has a profound influence on the socio-political and technological development of humanity in the Dune series.


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