PBS Space Time Probes the Wild Frontier of Physics: Is It IMPOSSIBLE To Cross The Event Horizon? (The Black Hole Firewall Paradox)

So you’ve decided to jump into a black hole. Good news: as long as the black hole is big enough you can sail through the event horizon without harm and get to experience the interior of the black hole before you’re annihilated by the central singularity. Or so we once thought. These days, quite a few physicists believe that the only way to avoid horrible contradictions in fundamental physics generated by black holes is for all them to be surrounded by screens of extreme energy that prevent anything from ever entering the event horizon. Sounds outlandish? Welcome to black holes. So let’s find out why many of our most brilliant physicists take these black hole firewalls deadly seriously.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 16, 2024 • 4:14:00pm

From the previous thread:

re: #86 Eclectic Cyborg

*Drives to next window*

McAI: “Here’s your food! Don’t forget to take the survey and tell us how we did, you commie liberal bastard! And remember: This restaurant is guaranteed to be 100% Jew free!”

McDonald’s is ending its drive-thru AI test (Restaurant Business Online, June 14, 2024)

McDonald’s is ending its two-year-old test of drive-thru, automated order taking (AOT) that it has conducted with IBM and plans to remove the technology from the more than 100 restaurants that have been using it.

The Chicago-based fast-food giant is ending this test without any sort of expansion, according to an email sent to franchisees on Thursday. Restaurant Business has obtained a copy of that email.

But the company did not dismiss the prospect of drive-thru AI, suggesting that McDonald’s plans to find a new partner for its automated order taking efforts.

(more)

Charles Johnson Jun 16, 2024 • 4:21:34pm

The graphics for these PBS Space Time videos are always very helpful and artfully done.

A Cranky One Jun 16, 2024 • 4:29:04pm

For Father’s day, my son, his wife and my granddaughter took me to a Cubs game (their son is currently in Greece).

Interesting day. Massive traffic getting into Chicago. Parked and took CTA train to Wrigley park.

Enjoyed the day, although we were in direct sun for the second half (97 degrees in the stands).

But had a beer, hotdogs and pretzel while watching the game ( Cubs lost by one).

First real outing since my second shoulder surgery. On the way there, the CTA train was absolutely packed. Trying to hold onto a grab bar with a hand slippery from sunscreen was interesting for my replacement shoulder.

But overall, it was an experience to remember.

Great father’s day.

Decatur Deb Jun 16, 2024 • 4:30:58pm

So you’ve decided to jump into a black hole. Good news: as long as the black hole is big enough you can sail through the event horizon without harm and get to experience the interior of the black hole before you’re annihilated by the central singularity.

Skydiving with bonus spaghettification.

Nerdy Fish Jun 16, 2024 • 4:36:16pm

re: #4 Decatur Deb

Skydiving with bonus spaghettification.

Ooh. I like spaghetti.

Decatur Deb Jun 16, 2024 • 4:36:53pm

re: #5 Nerdy Fish

Ooh. I like spaghetti.

Do you like becoming spaghetti?

PhillyPretzel ✅ Jun 16, 2024 • 4:37:11pm

re: #5 Nerdy Fish

So do I but I rather buy it at the local supermarket.

BlueSpotinAL ✅ Jun 16, 2024 • 4:37:27pm

Father’s day dinner.

Decatur Deb Jun 16, 2024 • 4:37:51pm

re: #7 PhillyPretzel ✅

So do I but I rather buy it at the local supermarket.

I could change my name to Alfredo.

PhillyPretzel ✅ Jun 16, 2024 • 4:39:21pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

I said spaghetti not fettuccine.

Eventual Carrion Jun 16, 2024 • 4:41:05pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

I could change my name to Alfredo.

I’d want to be known as Vongole

Decatur Deb Jun 16, 2024 • 4:43:32pm

re: #10 PhillyPretzel ✅

I said spaghetti not fettuccine.

Wife has been deceiving me.

Nerdy Fish Jun 16, 2024 • 4:44:40pm

re: #12 Decatur Deb

Wife has been deceiving me.

Uh-oh. Trouble in paradise.

Egregious Philbin Jun 16, 2024 • 4:44:54pm

As far as I’m concerned, the 1964 film “Clambake” is the best film ever about a Clambake.

Eclectic Cyborg Jun 16, 2024 • 4:45:22pm

re: #10 PhillyPretzel ✅

I said spaghetti not fettuccine.

In all seriousness, chicken Alfredo with Spaghetti can be pretty yum. At least IMO.

The Ghost of a Flea Jun 16, 2024 • 4:45:49pm

re: #6 Decatur Deb

Do you like becoming spaghetti?

Is there a celestial body that can make me more of a bucatini?

Anymouse 🌹🏡😷 Jun 16, 2024 • 4:47:01pm

re: #6 Decatur Deb

Do you like becoming spaghetti?

“Now I am become the Flying Spaghetti Monster, destroyer of intelligent design.”

DodgerFan1988 Jun 16, 2024 • 4:47:50pm

Mass deportation is now popular.

A majority of registered voters favor “a new national program to deport all undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. illegally,” 62-38%.

👀 A MAJORITY OF HISPANICS favor mass deportation, 53-47%.

Per @CBSNews / @YouGovAmerica poll: pic.twitter.com/EsUaEsE4im

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) June 16, 2024

Years of dehumanizing anti-immigrant propaganda paid off.

Decatur Deb Jun 16, 2024 • 4:51:16pm

re: #16 The Ghost of a Flea

Is there a celestial body that can make me more of a bucatini?

Shouldn’t be hard, topologically you are a tube.

Charles Johnson Jun 16, 2024 • 4:51:45pm

re: #18 DodgerFan1988

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Years of dehumanizing anti-immigrant propaganda paid off.

I doubt the pollsters mentioned the catastrophic effects it would have throughout US society when they asked the questions. A lot of people simply never think past the immediate yes or no.

Honestly, I’m at the point where I think almost all polls are worthless.

The Ghost of a Flea Jun 16, 2024 • 4:51:59pm

re: #18 DodgerFan1988

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Years of dehumanizing anti-immigrant propaganda paid off.

The all-encompassing explanatory structure of “immigrants distort the labor market, not employers” is a smashing success because the “problem” can’t be a logical output of giving disproportionate rights to the ownership class.

Charles Johnson Jun 16, 2024 • 4:52:31pm

In any case, instituting a mass deportation policy isn’t something that should be decided by a fucking popularity contest.

Eclectic Cyborg Jun 16, 2024 • 4:54:00pm

re: #18 DodgerFan1988

Let’s see how fast the crops rot and the hotels get dirty and the construction work gets backlogged if that shit passes.

All these idiots that want immigrants gone better be careful what they wish for.

FFL (GOP Delenda Est) Jun 16, 2024 • 4:55:03pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I doubt the pollsters mentioned the catastrophic effects it would have throughout US society when they asked the questions. A lot of people simply never think past the immediate yes or no.

Honestly, I’m at the point where I think almost all polls are worthless.

I note that questions about immigration pretty much always insert “illegal” as well. There is never discussion of immigration, just the polarized banter that seems to assume anyone crossing the southern US border is an illegal immigrant.

The Ghost of a Flea Jun 16, 2024 • 4:55:51pm

re: #19 Decatur Deb

Shouldn’t be hard, topologically you are a tube.

All of us are just mortal macaroni, to be dehydrated and sealed away in the crypt until such time as we are restored with boiling water and assigned our fated sauce.

(My brain is rapidly developing a Divine Comedy where Chef Boyardee acts as psychopomp and the circles and malebolgia are themed around pasta dishes.)

Eclectic Cyborg Jun 16, 2024 • 4:55:52pm

Say it with me folks: MOST ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT CRIMINALS.

Take it from an immigrant: We generally try to AVOID doing shit that might get us deported.

FFL (GOP Delenda Est) Jun 16, 2024 • 4:56:01pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

In any case, instituting a mass deportation policy isn’t something that should be decided by a fucking popularity contest.

Though it appears to play well with a large segment of the population in both the USA and Europe.

Decatur Deb Jun 16, 2024 • 4:56:35pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

In any case, instituting a mass deportation policy isn’t something that should be decided by a fucking popularity contest.

It might be worse than the poll suggests. Many of our countrymen wouldn’t stop at “illegally”. I used to think “They live among us”. Since Trump, it’s obvious that “We live among them”.

Nerdy Fish Jun 16, 2024 • 4:56:50pm

re: #18 DodgerFan1988

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Years of dehumanizing anti-immigrant propaganda paid off.

It’s one of those policies that sounds like a good thing because of the use of the words “undocumented” and “illegally,” but people don’t realize what those two words mean in the context of immigration policy. And of course, that’s the point; Republicans have spent decades casting all immigration as “illegal” immigration, because they intend to deport all immigrants. So a little bit of weasel wording makes Republican policy sound broadly more popular than it really is, because people don’t understand the nuances involved.

Decatur Deb Jun 16, 2024 • 4:59:03pm

re: #25 The Ghost of a Flea

All of us are just mortal macaroni, to be dehydrated and sealed away in the crypt until such time as we are restored with boiling water and assigned our fated sauce.

(My brain is rapidly developing a Divine Comedy where Chef Boyardee acts as psychopomp and the circles and malebolgia are themed around pasta dishes.)

I want to be with the Puttanescas.

Patricia Kayden Jun 16, 2024 • 4:59:18pm

The Ghost of a Flea Jun 16, 2024 • 5:08:34pm

re: #27 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Though it appears to play well with a large segment of the population in both the USA and Europe.

Europe is several centuries deep in denying that it can only function through devalued labor, and has even more incentive than the US to insist that “the immigrants” are the source of their woes because they don’t have our exploitable land mass to fall back on, nor our internal population of de-valuable labor.

The thing to remember is that anti-immigrant sentiment doesn’t really mean pushing everyone out, it means creating rule structures that keeps immigrants from having rights…labor, human…in ways that keep them a permanent legally-distinct group. US or Europe, the dirty cheap dangerous jobs need to be filled with people that can’t complain.

Having just been in Portugal…poorest country in Western Europe…it’s fascinating to see the labor crisis there expressed both as the number of young people doing migrant labor in the rest of Europe, but also as the Portugese-speaking ex-colonial work force being pulled into the mainland to do things on the cheap. Xenophobic sentiments doesn’t change the meat-and-potatoes reality of the kind of work that needs to be done on the cheap.

England’s already shot itself in the foot with Brexit, and is following up by heaping further punitive conditions on it’s own imported labor pools from Eastern Europe and the ex-colonies: labor exploitation is increasing, there’s more cases of captive laborers detained without pay or recourse to leave, even as shit like the Rwanda plan is floated for refugees.

Charles Johnson Jun 16, 2024 • 5:11:56pm

re: #32 The Ghost of a Flea

Brexit was one of the biggest scams the global right wing have ever managed to pull off. It’s basically wrecked the UK for generations.

Charles Johnson Jun 16, 2024 • 5:13:22pm

Sort of like the right wing Supreme Court is going to keep wrecking the US for at least a generation. Unless something is done to stop them, which probably won’t happen.

Nerdy Fish Jun 16, 2024 • 5:14:21pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Brexit was one of the biggest scams the global right wing have ever managed to pull off. It’s basically wrecked the UK for generations.

The funny thing is, they kinda backed into it. I don’t think even THEY expected it to succeed. Brexit going through was the Tories’ “dog caught the car” moment, and they didn’t really know what to do after that. Which is why the actual implementation of Brexit was such a clown fiesta. Nobody actually thought they’d get that far.

Belafon Jun 16, 2024 • 5:16:40pm

re: #35 Nerdy Fish

The funny thing is, they kinda backed into it. I don’t think even THEY expected it to succeed. Brexit going through was the Tories’ “dog caught the car” moment, and they didn’t really know what to do after that. Which is why the actual implementation of Brexit was such a clown fiesta. Nobody actually thought they’d get that far.

Like the first Trump election.

The Ghost of a Flea Jun 16, 2024 • 5:18:45pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Brexit was one of the biggest scams the global right wing have ever managed to pull off. It’s basically wrecked the UK for generations.

Being a kid there in the 80s there was always this paradox of Britons being intensely vain about their empire and deeply disgusted by the colonials they deliberately brought back to the homeland, as though it was a massive imposition to acknowledge that their social engineering had created the circumstances such that there were all of these brown people who were British.

Brexit felt like the recurrence…the farce after the tragedy, perhaps…of all of that.

Empire is a prion-based brain disease, I swear.

Jay C Jun 16, 2024 • 5:31:00pm

re: #37 The Ghost of a Flea

Being a kid there in the 80s there was always this paradox of Britons being intensely vain about their empire and deeply disgusted by the colonials they deliberately brought back to the homeland, as though it was a massive imposition to acknowledge that their social engineering had created the circumstances such that there were all of these brown people who were British.

Brexit felt like the recurrence…the farce after the tragedy, perhaps…of all of that.

Empire is a prion-based brain disease, I swear.

And what makes it worse (to an unfortunately non-trivial percentage of the electorate), said brown people are increasingly “British” in the sense of having been born and raised in the “homeland”, but still aren’t considered part of the “nation”. And probably won’t ever be…

A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS Jun 16, 2024 • 5:32:48pm

re: #18 DodgerFan1988

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Years of dehumanizing anti-immigrant propaganda paid off.

That poll undoubtedly uses the same methodology as the ones that tell us DT is winning among women (57%! After Dobbs!) and 25% of blacks support him — and is just as trustworthy.

Charles Johnson Jun 16, 2024 • 5:33:53pm

If you see this, quote post with a beach photo from your gallery.

— Charles Johnson (@charles.littlegreenfootballs.com) 2024-06-17T00:31:38.000Z

A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS Jun 16, 2024 • 5:34:01pm

re: #28 Decatur Deb

It might be worse than the poll suggests. Many of our countrymen wouldn’t stop at “illegally”. I used to think “They live among us”. Since Trump, it’s obvious that “We live among them”.

You’re in the wrong part of the country.

A hollow voice says: Abort SCOTUS Jun 16, 2024 • 5:38:44pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

If you see this, quote post with a beach photo from your gallery.

goddamnedfrank Jun 16, 2024 • 5:41:37pm

re: #37 The Ghost of a Flea

Being a kid there in the 80s there was always this paradox of Britons being intensely vain about their empire and deeply disgusted by the colonials they deliberately brought back to the homeland, as though it was a massive imposition to acknowledge that their social engineering had created the circumstances such that there were all of these brown people who were British.

Brexit felt like the recurrence…the farce after the tragedy, perhaps…of all of that.

Empire is a prion-based brain disease, I swear.

My favorite example is probably the Gurkhas. Just because the Brits spent the better part of two centuries lionizing the absolute shit out of those dudes and then got real fucking uncomfortable about letting a bunch of south asian vets with war injuries actually retire inside the UK.

Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 16, 2024 • 5:43:37pm

Just Lock Her Up!

Nerdy Fish Jun 16, 2024 • 5:47:05pm

re: #44 Joe Bacon ✅

“Anywane that wants to continue [to] shame us for January 6th can go to hell.”

You first, bitch.

Ace Rothstein Jun 16, 2024 • 5:48:03pm

The continuing dehumanizing of immigrants will lead to the inevitable killings of said immigrants if a certain orange-faced baboon is elected in November.

Ace Rothstein Jun 16, 2024 • 5:48:40pm

re: #45 Nerdy Fish

“Anywane that wants to continue [to] shame us for January 6th can go to hell.”

You first, bitch.

I had a better word for her but I’d probably get put in time out.

jaunte Jun 16, 2024 • 5:49:39pm

re: #44 Joe Bacon ✅

No shaming required, just jailing.

Eventual Carrion Jun 16, 2024 • 5:50:20pm

re: #47 Ace Rothstein

I had a better word for her but I’d probably get put in time out.

Dunt

Nerdy Fish Jun 16, 2024 • 5:50:54pm

re: #47 Ace Rothstein

I had a better four-letter word for her but I’d probably get put in time out.

Well, and more to my point, she’ll get to enjoy hell. I have no such plans, myself.

Charles Johnson Jun 16, 2024 • 5:51:58pm

Came up with this short little bit of PHP code while working on the NowPlaying bot. It takes an array representing a song, and inserts it safely into the “nowplaying” table using a prepared statement with PHP’s built-in PDO class. This assumes you’ve already created the connection and stored it in the variable “$pdo”.

<?php
$song = [
    "artist" => "Michael Brecker",
    "album" => "Tales From The Hudson",
    "title" => "Don't Let Me Be Lonely Tonight",
];
$keys = array_keys($song);
$names = implode(',', $keys);
$placeholders = implode(',:', $keys);
$pdo->prepare("INSERT INTO nowplaying ({$names}) VALUES (:{$placeholders})")->execute($song);

jaunte Jun 16, 2024 • 5:52:16pm

@joshuajfriedman.com

Twenty-four states tell Judge Cannon that they want to file an amicus brief opposing the special counsel’s request to modify Trump’s conditions of release to stop him from inciting threats against law enforcement

Fuck every one of these ass kissing lickspittle AGs.

FFL (GOP Delenda Est) Jun 16, 2024 • 5:52:52pm

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

My favorite example is probably the Gurkhas. Just because the Brits spent the better part of two centuries lionizing the absolute shit out of those dudes and then got real fucking uncomfortable about letting a bunch of south asian vets with war injuries actually retire inside the UK.

George MacDonald Fraser’s memoir about his war experiences in Burma _Quartered Safe Out Here: A Recollection of the War in Burma_ was very complimentary of the Gurkhas. Said they seemed pretty carefree and happy when he encountered them and they got along well with the English troops. But he also said they had a well-earned fearsome reputation in combat.

And the British army still has a Brigade of Gurkhas. The Singapore Police Force also has a Gurkha Contingent which according to wikipedia is the core of their riot control and anti-terrorist force.

Charles Johnson Jun 16, 2024 • 5:54:02pm

re: #52 jaunte

The right absolutely wants Trump’s incitement to continue. There’s nothing like the threat of violence or death to make people do what you want.

Yeah Sure WhatEVs Jun 16, 2024 • 5:54:24pm

re: #47 Ace Rothstein

I had a better word for her but I’d probably get put in time out.

You and me both! 🤜🤛

Nerdy Fish Jun 16, 2024 • 5:55:24pm

re: #53 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

If reports are to be believed, the Gurkhas put pretty much any other special forces service to shame in terms of sheer badassery. When you do operations in the bloody Himalayas, that’s a pretty high bar to clear, pun intended.

Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 16, 2024 • 5:55:38pm

re: #52 jaunte

If I had my way every one of those 24 Attorneys General who filed that would be removed from office under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

Thor Heyerdahl Jun 16, 2024 • 5:58:27pm

re: #47 Ace Rothstein

I had a better word for her but I’d probably get put in time out.

“Looking forward to meeting up the day after Monday?”

Belafon Jun 16, 2024 • 5:59:17pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

The right absolutely wants Trump’s incitement to continue. There’s nothing like the threat of violence or death to make people do what you want.

But they’re all pro-law enforcement! //

Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 16, 2024 • 6:00:02pm

Detroit pastor says people laughed in his face when he invited them to Trump church event

The Detroit pastor who hosted Donald Trump’s much ridiculed church roundtable — which was promoted as a reach-out to Black voters but later shown to have a large white turnout — said people laughed in his face when he suggested they attend.

Pastor Lorenzo Sewell appeared on MSNBC Sunday night to discuss the “surprising” turnout at the evangelical 180 Church and faced a direct question about the people in the audience.

“Was the audience mostly white?” asked anchor Charles Coleman Jr.

“I was very surprised…about how many black people were actually, physically in the building,” Sewell replied.

“I remember walking down Grand River, a place that is desolate on the west side of Detroit, and walking down the street and just inviting people, saying, ‘The former president is here if you want to come,’” Sewell said.

“They were laughing like I was when I first was approached.”

Critics noted Saturday that while the church has a mainly Black congregation, photos caught by the media showed a lot of white people in the audience.

Trump also reportedly failed to recognize Sewell even as the pastor sat beside him.

Sewell told Coleman Sunday he has no political affiliation and hosted Trump to bring political leaders into his community.

“I don’t worship a donkey or elephant,” Sewll said. “I worship the lamb of God slain for the sins of the world and anybody who can come to his house, and be prayed over.”

Sure you do, Pulpit Pimp…

rawstory.com

Charles Johnson Jun 16, 2024 • 6:02:21pm

If things ever really come apart in the US, a lot of local police forces would not be on the side of the good guys.

Ace Rothstein Jun 16, 2024 • 6:03:50pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

If things ever really come apart in the US, a lot of local police forces would not be on the side of the good guys.

And would justify their actions and have the judges behind them.

jaunte Jun 16, 2024 • 6:08:52pm

A Father’s Day message from my oldest.
“Cats are the embodiment of grace, elegance, and beauty.”

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

Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 16, 2024 • 6:09:43pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

If things ever really come apart in the US, a lot of local police forces would not be on the side of the good guys.

And Trump is counting on the military to rebel and be on his side.

Nerdy Fish Jun 16, 2024 • 6:09:53pm

re: #63 jaunte

A Father’s Day message from my oldest.
“Cats are the embodiment of grace, elegance, and beauty.”

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I half expected to see a cat falling off a couch.

Ace Rothstein Jun 16, 2024 • 6:12:28pm

re: #64 Joe Bacon ✅

And Trump is counting on the military to rebel and be on his side.

He might not be wrong.

Nerdy Fish Jun 16, 2024 • 6:14:26pm

re: #66 Ace Rothstein

He might not be wrong.

Yeah, there’s not a chance in hell that’ll happen. He’ll get some cops, some “constitutional sheriffs”, some other little local shitters; but the US military isn’t about to get involved in any of that. There might be some disaffected Nazis who somehow made it through the psych screening who might revolt, but by and large, the armed forces of the United States are loyal to those self-same States and to the Constitution that governs them, not to a former President who is a criminal scumbag.

Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines Jun 16, 2024 • 6:15:13pm

re: #44 Joe Bacon ✅

Just Lock Her Up!

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Reminds:

jaunte Jun 16, 2024 • 6:16:30pm

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

Everything you buy requires you to download and operate an app before the new purchase is functional.

FFL (GOP Delenda Est) Jun 16, 2024 • 6:16:46pm

re: #66 Ace Rothstein

He might not be wrong.

Hard to tell. The veterans and active service military that I am acquainted with just about universally despise him a great deal. And a lot of them are pretty unhappy with the GQP as well since they don’t see any respect for veterans, the country, the military, etc. beyond cursory lip service.

FFL (GOP Delenda Est) Jun 16, 2024 • 6:18:17pm

re: #69 jaunte

Everything you buy requires you to download and operate an app before the new purchase is functional.

Everything 15 minutes you are required to do 2FA in order to keep open anything you are doing. Even if it’s not electronic.

Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 16, 2024 • 6:21:08pm

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

In Heck you are forced to listen to Lawrence Welk and his Champagne Music 24/7.

darthstar Jun 16, 2024 • 6:23:15pm

re: #71 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Everything 15 minutes you are required to do 2FA in order to keep open anything you are doing. Even if it’s not electronic.

Circa 1999 pop up ads in new browser windows, except instead of porn, they’re all for vacation homes in purgatory…

Nerdy Fish Jun 16, 2024 • 6:23:43pm

re: #73 darthstar

Circa 1999 pop up ads in new browser windows, except instead of porn, they’re all for vacation homes in purgatory…

One word: Timeshares.

darthstar Jun 16, 2024 • 6:25:15pm

re: #72 Joe Bacon ✅

In Heck you are forced to listen to Lawrence Welk and his Champagne Music 24/7.

Lawrence Welk was hip.

One Toke Over The Line

Charles Johnson Jun 16, 2024 • 6:25:15pm

If you see this, quote post with a beach photo from your gallery.

— Charles Johnson (@charles.littlegreenfootballs.com) 2024-06-17T00:31:38.000Z

Charles Johnson Jun 16, 2024 • 6:25:43pm

If you see this, quote post with a beach photo from your gallery.

— Charles Johnson (@charles.littlegreenfootballs.com) 2024-06-17T01:20:41.000Z

Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 16, 2024 • 6:25:49pm

re: #73 darthstar

Circa 1999 pop up ads in new browser windows, except instead of porn, they’re all for vacation homes in purgatory…

TV only shows get rich quick infomercials from Wally Phillips, Rich Lowry, Dave Del Dotto, Ed Beckley and Tom Wu.

darthstar Jun 16, 2024 • 6:26:22pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

Gotta log into Blue Sky on my computer which is recharging right now…but later.

Charles Johnson Jun 16, 2024 • 6:26:47pm

Always loved that moment on a foggy beach morning when the grayness takes over and everything fades into it.

Nerdy Fish Jun 16, 2024 • 6:30:33pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

Always loved that moment on a foggy beach morning when the grayness takes over and everything fades into it.

I went fishing on a northern lake this morning, for Father’s Day, with my dad. The humidity was so high, we were literally getting pelted with water as we cruised across the lake to our designated spot. The water was clear, the air above us definitely… wasn’t. It was just us and the fish, who really weren’t biting, but at that point, who cares?

Rightwingconspirator Jun 16, 2024 • 6:32:14pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Skeptical Seagull is skeptical

Dangerman Jun 16, 2024 • 6:32:15pm

re: #73 Jay C

I’m sure those are clever cartoons, but (?) my browser doesn’t show the captions.
Refreshing didn’t help.

no wonder everyone passed them over

i posted without checking

“Dad, Bobby says you’re way too cheap to raise my allowance, and I say you ain’t.”

Dangerman Jun 16, 2024 • 6:32:37pm

and

“Say, those new blades really do give fifteen shaves.”

Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 16, 2024 • 6:33:42pm

Crackhead Mike’s latest plot to disrupt the election.

MyPillow CEO and election-denier Mike Lindell told conservatives this weekend he was going to deputize them as part of “God’s plan” for former President Donald Trump’s Election Day victory.

Lindell addressed Trump supporters at the Turning Point USA People’s Convention in Detroit on Sunday, when he delivered a plan for the former president and presumptive Republican nominee.

“I believe it’s God’s plan,” Lindell said.

A key element of Lindell’s plan was to “confuse all the electronic people,” he explained.

“They’re not going to know if you’re going to vote early or…you’re going to vote on Election Day,” Lindell said. “Everybody needs to reach out and get, get your early vote, get your ballot.”

Lindell seems to be suggesting voters request early voting ballots that they will not use and take them to poll sites.

“On Election Day…you will take this ballot and you will go to vote,” Lindell said. “And if they say, ‘Well, you’ve already voted’…then we have a plan where you’re going to go outside, then you’re going to open that up.”

Then, voters should take the ballot outside, take a picture of it and send it what he calls the Election Crimes Bureau but also goes under the name of the Lindell Offense Fund website.

This, Lindell claims, will help Trump by providing “new evidence.”

“So we’re going to have you all be deputized to save our country,” he said. “We all need you to deputize all of you if they steal it again like this, I, the people will demand these machines that we paid for out of our tax dollars.”

‘It’s God’s plan’: Mike Lindell intends to ‘deputize’ Trump voters for election day

Ace Rothstein Jun 16, 2024 • 6:35:03pm

re: #85 Joe Bacon ✅

How did Crackhead Mike pay with his tax dollars when his ass is broke?

darthstar Jun 16, 2024 • 6:37:18pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

Always loved that moment on a foggy beach morning when the grayness takes over and everything fades into it.

We call that June and July in Half Moon Bay…. Though admittedly, the June gloom isn’t like it was just a few years ago. We have more sunny days than not. Global warming is fucking up our tourist deterrent and raising our property values.

Joe Bacon ✅ Jun 16, 2024 • 6:37:20pm

re: #86 Ace Rothstein

How did Crackhead Mike pay with his tax dollars when his ass is broke?

Crackhead Mike believes that de Lawd revealed this plan to him.

Crackhead Mike belongs in a padded cell where he can talk to de Lawd all the time.

darthstar Jun 16, 2024 • 6:40:54pm

re: #85 Joe Bacon ✅

I like the idea of people who can’t clean their yards and have cars full of Chik Fil-a wrappers getting early ballots and stashing them away next to their Kid Rock memorabilia until election day. Sounds like a winning strategy to me.

Dangerman Jun 16, 2024 • 6:43:11pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I doubt the pollsters mentioned the catastrophic effects it would have throughout US society when they asked the questions. A lot of people simply never think past the immediate yes or no.

Honestly, I’m at the point where I think almost all polls are worthless.

It seems pretty clear that polls thses days - of most anything - have no idea how to get a representative sample

darthstar Jun 16, 2024 • 6:45:05pm

re: #89 darthstar

I know that is stereotyping the trump voter, but that’s the type of person who listens to Lindell. It’s the semi educated Trump voter who thinks they have an idea of how he could be better his second term we need to worry about. They show up at the polls.

Nerdy Fish Jun 16, 2024 • 6:47:05pm

re: #90 Dangerman

It seems pretty clear that polls thses days - of most anything - have no idea how to get a representative sample

They do. They intentionally avoid doing it, because too many polls these days have an agenda. There aren’t very many pollsters who are just doing statistically significant polling. The ways to execute a statistically meaningful poll, with a statistically meaningful cross-section, are well-known. They’re choosing not to for horse race reasons.

darthstar Jun 16, 2024 • 6:49:36pm

re: #90 Dangerman

It seems pretty clear that polls thses days - of most anything - have no idea how to get a representative sample

Polling methodologies are antiquated. They poll land lines. Hell, I don’t even have a land line. I did, but never used it and threw away the phone a few years ago. AT&T kept auto billing me and when the account they sucked from closed they sent me a shit down notice.

I did the right thing and paid the balance and tried to cancel the account online, but they wanted to send a text verification to the land line and as that made no sense I gave up. Now they finally cancelled me for non payment a few months later.

Belafon Jun 16, 2024 • 6:56:30pm

re: #69 jaunte

Everything you buy requires you to download and operate an app before the new purchase is functional.

Including the app.

FFL (GOP Delenda Est) Jun 16, 2024 • 6:57:50pm

re: #93 darthstar

Polling methodologies are antiquated. They poll land lines. Hell, I don’t even have a land line. I did, but never used it and threw away the phone a few years ago. AT&T kept auto billing me and when the account they sucked from closed they sent me a shit down notice.

I did the right thing and paid the balance and tried to cancel the account online, but they wanted to send a text verification to the land line and as that made no sense I gave up. Now they finally cancelled me for non payment a few months later.

I dropped Verizon as my cell provider about a year ago. They claim I owe them $0.14 every month and include a link I can use to pay it off. But the website the link goes to asks for account information or a phone number - and then doesn’t recognize the number even after I indicate it’s a former account. So I can’t get full information to connect the payment to. So I just put it off another month. (And also note that it’s a website with no way to give feedback on the ways the website is not working. Great customer service there Verizon. One reason I dumped you and ignore your pleas for me to come back.)

Captain Ron Jun 16, 2024 • 6:58:34pm

Happy Father’s Day pic.twitter.com/Lua9gLOXt3

— Siraj Hashmi (@SirajAHashmi) June 16, 2024

Belafon Jun 16, 2024 • 6:59:51pm

re: #96 Captain Ron

Calvin is finally getting back at his dad.

Dangerman Jun 16, 2024 • 7:02:14pm

re: #85 Joe Bacon ✅

That’s not how any of this works

jaunte Jun 16, 2024 • 7:03:27pm

Vader Sessions

100

jaunte Jun 16, 2024 • 7:04:04pm

@jessehawken.bsky.social

For Father’s Day, a funny redub of Vader in Star Wars with the voice of James Earl Jones from other movies, I laughed numerous times

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William Lewis Jun 16, 2024 • 7:05:37pm

re: #45 Nerdy Fish

“Anywane that wants to continue [to] shame us for January 6th can go to hell.”

You first, bitch.

Can I get an Amen?

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Dangerman Jun 16, 2024 • 7:07:04pm

re: #92 Nerdy Fish

They do. They intentionally avoid doing it, because too many polls these days have an agenda. There aren’t very many pollsters who are just doing statistically significant polling. The ways to execute a statistically meaningful poll, with a statistically meaningful cross-section, are well-known. They’re choosing not to for horse race reasons.

At the cross tabs level, Im not so sure.

But it’s late and I’ll have to pick this up tomorrow

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Ace Rothstein Jun 16, 2024 • 7:13:44pm

re: #101 William Lewis