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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:20:57pm

Most appalling are two facts: 1. WP published such trash; 2. this guy is a professor somewhere.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:28:07pm

OK, I swear I didn't see the ending: "I'm not sure what worries me more: the fact this appeared in the WaPo or that Ronald Rychlak is currently teaching at a university." D'oh.

3 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:39:30pm

The Washington Post is on a roll today, with this one and with the op-ed saying Obama should not run for a second term.

4 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:54:08pm

As an American Muslim, the observation that the general public—left, right, and center—views someone being labeled "Muslim" as a slanderous epithet necessitating defense speaks volumes.

Ditto for the notion that there is something inherently blameworthy in having a Muslim name (regardless of who chose it), or that any sort of appreciation for Islamic practices and/or tolerance of Muslims must be indicative of a sinister alliance with "the enemy".

5 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:55:31pm

The Ted Koppel Op Ed in the WaPo on msnbc and fox news was very good. The piece on Obama not running in 2012 was co authored by Doug Schoen (dem strategist) and Pat Caddell (Jimmy carter's pollster). It was bizarre to say the least.

6 thejcube  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 4:32:26pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

The problem isn't that being a Muslim is a bad thing, it's that people like Rychlak believe that being Muslim is bad. When they say "Obama defended the 'Ground Zero Mosque,' therefore he is a possible Muslim," what they really mean is "Obama defended the 'Ground Zero Mosque,' therefore he is a possible enemy." It's the same reason they call people socialists: "socialism is 'evil,' and our enemies are evil, therefore our enemies are socialists."

The stupid and paranoid have turned Islam into a swear word, and use it to attack anyone they don't approve of- hence, Obama is Muslim. When we say that Obama is Christian, it isn't because being Muslim is something to ashamed of; it's to point out how Rychlak is trying to manipulate people by slandering both Obama and Islam.

7 Irenicum  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:34:43pm

But I thought the WaPo was part of the Lame Stream Media???
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8 riggbeck  Mon, Nov 15, 2010 10:35:37pm

Wish I could live long enough to see the first black, atheist lesbian elected President. And with nobody bothered enough to even comment on it.

9 theheat  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:11:03am

re: #8 riggbeck

Right now, I'd settle for a humanist of any color. The religion aspect of the presidency brings so much controversy and illogical bullshit, it's hardly worth it. If the POTUS isn't pandering to some religious sect or grandstanding at a public prayer service, they're being criticized for being the wrong religion.

I'm for a president that deals in FACTS; the here and now, and what's REAL. I don't want a POTUS that thinks they're talking to God, or God talks to them, or God will save us from whatever stupid shit we're doing, or we're making God mad when gays get married, or whatever other thing they persist in framing in religious terms. Let's stress critical thinking for awhile, keep the religion out of the equation, and see how that goes. I'd bet money the outcome would be better.

And, as a little footnote, I have to say I believe Obama has given all religions props, including those who choose not to follow any religion at all. That in itself has been refreshing. Yet, he's blasted for it. I mean, WTF, people. Get a grip.

10 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:24:18am

re: #9 theheat

Has there ever been any public criticism of HW when he babbled about how he doesn't consider atheists to be citizens and patriots? If he said that same about Christians, Jews or Muslims one would hear no end of it. Until the public attitude changes, the best one can hope for is a stealthy rationalist.

11 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 16, 2010 12:40:52pm

This guy is a law professor? Yeah it's Obama's fault that people think he's a Muslim. What does Obama have to do to prove he's not a Muslim? Do pepole forget that the president had a beer summit? I mean even if he was a Muslim why would it matter? You can be a loyal American and a Muslim at the same time. The two aren't incompatable and I am sick of people acting like they are and I'm far from religious. Mr. Rychiak should be ashamed of himself as a Catholic for echoing this bs after what Catholics like my and his ancestors had to go through with nutjobs acting like they were more loyal to the Vatican than they were to this country.

12 riggbeck  Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:25:38am

re: #9 theheat

Presidents pander to religious groups because they have to. According to this quote from the Daily Atheist, citing a study,

The most recent data shows that atheists are more distrusted and despised than any other minority and that an atheist is the least likely person that Americans would vote for in a presidential election. It’s not just that atheists are hated, though, but also that atheists seem to represent everything about modernity which Americans dislike or fear.

As for a President (shock horror) dealing with your actual facts based on the scientific method, a religious orientation doesn't necessarily rule that out. Catholics, for example, are usually on board with scientific findings, even if they do want to posit that extra added God ingredient. And I'd argue that an entrenched political position is as much an impediment to rational thinking as any religion. Particularly when it is conflated with religious dogma. This is why the RC church in Soviet Russia was so political. They recognized Marxism as another Faith.

It's the fundies of all stripes who are pure poison. I, too, like the way Obama stands up for religious freedom and the protections of the Constitution, but I want him to go on the attack. Use the bully pulpit on this and all the other Republican/Teabagger lies. There's not much point in getting another term if you violate your own principles getting there. I'd have more respect for an honest one-term president.

As an atheist, secular humanist, what have you, I risk having my two typing fingers turn green and drop off for the blasphemy, but the Bible had something to say on the subject:

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? (Mark 8,36 - the King James version)


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