Trump Goes Full-On Loony

The Donald thinks Birtherism is a winning play

WingnutsMarch 2011 • Views: 32,422

Last week, Donald Trump tested the waters by saying he had “a little doubt, just a little” about President Obama’s citizenship.

Well, he must have gotten the response he was looking for, because today he’s going all-out into raving Birtherism.

“I am really concerned,” Trump said during an appearance on Fox News. “You have no doctors, you have no nurses … that remember.” …

Trump … brushed off past statements from current Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie that he remembers Obama being born.

“I doubt it,” Trump said of Abercrombie’s contentions. “I think this guy should be investigated. He remembers when Obama was born? Give me a break. He’s just trying to do something for his party.”

In 2008, the Obama campaign produced a certification of live birth that reports his birthplace as Honolulu, Hawaii. He attended kindergarten there before moving to Jakarta, Indonesia with his stepfather at age six. Trump, like others who question the president’s birth place, is not satisfied with the certification of live birth.

“They give you a certificate of live birth, which anybody can get. Just walk into the hospital and you get a certificate of live birth,” he said. “It’s not even signed by people.”

Among other evidence Obama was born in Hawaii is the fact the hospital where he was born took out ads in two Hawaiian newspapers in 1961 announcing the birth. But Trump isn’t buying that either:

“That was placed in the paper days after he was born. He could have come into the country and then did it for social reasons – for whatever reasons.”

Trump is also outraged that people call idiots like him “Birthers.”

And one more thing that irks Trump - using “birthers” to describe those who continue to press this issue. “I don’t like the term birthers,” he said. “I think it’s unfair to them.”

OK, then let’s use a more accurate term: addle-brained racist morons. That better?

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141 comments

garhighway Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:29:43am

When I think of Trump, I think of this:

[Link: www.hulu.com…]

It’s priceless.

jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:29:53am

I’m still waiting for these people to tell me why it maters where he was born when his mother was a US citizen and thus EVEN IF HE WAS BORN IN KENYA HE WOULD STILL BE A US CITIZEN!

Slap Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:30:34am

From the previous thread….

For some further insight into the Trump Method, including all its variations of chicanery and obfuscation (not to mention the expected hyper-self-serving greed factor), the story of his role in the demise of the USFL is worth a close look. ESPN featured a documentary called “Who Killed the USFL?” as part of their SUPERB documentary series, 30 for 30 (as an aside, I’ve seen a dozen of the films so far, and I have been incredibly impressed by the content and execution of every one — I highly recommend the series), and it’s a surprising story of a league that actually had a chance of surviving, but for the actions of one arrogant individual.

ESPN’s page, including video excerpts, is worth a look:

30 for 30 — Who Killed the USFL?

It’s a fascinating tale.

Kronocide Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:30:41am

My vote for addle-brained racist morons.

I hope he runs, along with Bachmann and Crew. Carnage.

I’m sure his campaign stumps will include ‘You’re Fired’ with the goofy double finger snake fang motion (at the Evil Obama). To rousing cheers of course.

Kragar Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:31:09am

Among other evidence Obama was born in Hawaii is the fact the hospital where he was born took out ads in two Hawaiian newspapers in 1961 announcing the birth. But Trump isn’t buying that either:

Newspapers have a well known liberal bias.
///

Interesting Times Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:31:18am

I do believe I’ve discovered footage of Trump’s new campaign manager:

Youtube Video

lawhawk Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:31:38am

Trump got famous for greatly expanding his dad’s real estate holdings, and using his name to equate with expensive properties and opulence (okay, gaudiness). He would use other people’s money and when his deals worked - everyone got rich, but when they went sour, he would be able to duck and cover, but everyone else got soaked. His name is still attached to casinos in AC, and they’re a shell of their former grandeur (b/c there’s no money to upgrade to compete with other newer casinos). He still does the real estate thing worldwide, and focuses on NYC, but the fascination with him as a candidate is so seriously misplaced. Yet, he’d be a great candidate to replace the current Mets ownership.

Trump’s hair could not be reached for comment. /

Dateline 11/2011:
A COLB could not be located for Trump’s hair as it appears to have been born in an alternative universe and the standard birthing/origin documentation could not be provided at the present time. /

Slap Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:33:35am

re: #3 Slap

From the previous thread…

For some further insight into the Trump Method, including all its variations of chicanery and obfuscation (not to mention the expected hyper-self-serving greed factor), the story of his role in the demise of the USFL is worth a close look. ESPN featured a documentary called “Who Killed the USFL?” as part of their SUPERB documentary series, 30 for 30 (as an aside, I’ve seen a dozen of the films so far, and I have been incredibly impressed by the content and execution of every one — I highly recommend the series), and it’s a surprising story of a league that actually had a chance of surviving, but for the actions of one arrogant individual.

ESPN’s page, including video excerpts, is worth a look:

30 for 30 — Who Killed the USFL?

It’s a fascinating tale.

Now, with actual link…..(grrrr, PIMF)

[Link: 30for30.espn.com…]

Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:33:49am

Dear Donald Trump:

You’re fired!

Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:34:08am

What is this thing with rich guys and bad hair (just like rich women & bad facelifts?)

Simply Sarah Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:34:17am

re: #2 jamesfirecat

I’m still waiting for these people to tell me why it maters where he was born when his mother was a US citizen and thus EVEN IF HE WAS BORN IN KENYA HE WOULD STILL BE A US CITIZEN!

Look, while Trump is obviously just pandering like mad here, he does capture the mindset of ‘true’ birthers. Reality and evidence don’t matter.

If someone meets your demands for proof, you move the goalposts. Trump says “Where are the witnesses?”, people say “I was a witness”, and the response is “You’re just lying to cover up for things!”. If you point out the newspapers, then that’s a fraud. If you somehow produced the original birth certificate, then its authenticity would also be called into question.

Nervous Norvous Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:34:18am

My question to this has always been, if you’re going to claim that BO was born somewhere other than where he said he was, then it’s up to you to prove it, not him.

Every attempt to prove otherwise has failed, utterly. All these idiots are left with is questioning the evidence provided which would be valid for any other person of a let us say “whiter shade of pale”.

Nervous Norvous Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:35:03am

re: #4 BigPapa

My vote for addle-brained racist morons.

I hope he runs, along with Bachmann and Crew. Carnage.

I’m sure his campaign stumps will include ‘You’re Fired’ with the goofy double finger snake fang motion (at the Evil Obama). To rousing cheers of course.

and the rest of us will point right back to him saying “You’re a FUCKING MORON!”

Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:35:57am

Fox: Birth Certificate TV Ads Ready to Go…

Youtube Video

Two-time No. 1 New York Times bestselling author Jerome Corsi, a Ph.D. in political science from Harvard and a senior staff writer at WND, has written a new book that promises to be a game-changer on the issue of Barack Obama’s eligibility.

It’s called “Where’s the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama is Not Eligible to Be President.”

The result of more than two years of solid investigative research by Corsi and a team of WND reporters and editors, this book is destined to be a huge bestseller and change the dynamics of the debate over eligibility – IF, of course, the book is not spiked by the hostile establishment media when it is officially released in May.

jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:36:16am

re: #11 Simply Sarah

Look, while Trump is obviously just pandering like mad here, he does capture the mindset of ‘true’ birthers. Reality and evidence don’t matter.

If someone meets your demands for proof, you move the goalposts. Trump says “Where are the witnesses?”, people say “I was a witness”, and the response is “You’re just lying to cover up for things!”. If you point out the newspapers, then that’s a fraud. If you somehow produced the original birth certificate, then its authenticity would also be called into question.

I know it’s just even in the way that reality and evidence don’t matter to them… even if they managed to prove their thesis that Obama wasn’t born in America, it still doesn’t mean anything unless they can also prove that he took citizenship somewhere else…

In short, there’s madness in their method.

Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:36:37am

“You have no doctors, you have no nurses … that remember.” …
“I think [Abercrombie] should be investigated. He remembers when Obama was born? Give me a break. He’s just trying to do something for his party.”

So an OB is supposed to remember one delivery from decades ago, from among hundreds of others, that wasn’t even notable at the time, yet Abercrombie is probably lying about his memory of friends because he is a democrat?

What a fucking asshole.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:36:43am

Shouldn’t a nurse or doctor remember? Really?

He has a point. They just delivered a freakin’ President of the United States and they don’t remember?
/

iceweasel Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:37:00am

re: #13 PT Barnum

and the rest of us will point right back to him saying “You’re a FUCKING MORON!”

Quoth Jimmah, sitting next to me:
What a fucking fool.
It sounds better in a scottish accent.

Kronocide Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:37:12am

re: #6 publicityStunted

What a disturbing video. Moran Rule.

jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:37:24am

re: #18 iceweasel

It sounds better in a scottish accent.

What doesn’t?

Nervous Norvous Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:38:56am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Fox: Birth Certificate TV Ads Ready to Go…

[Video]

Jerome Fucking Corsi? Really? People take that nutjob seriously? Really?

Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:39:32am

re: #20 jamesfirecat

What doesn’t?

Ah hahaha! bingo

philosophus invidius Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:39:35am

I want to see the birth certificate for Trump’s combover.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:39:43am

re: #18 iceweasel

“When you speak English, does your mouth hurt?”
-Robin Williams, Moscow on the Hudson

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:40:09am

re: #19 BigPapa

What a disturbing video. Moran Rule.

Erin?

Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:40:18am

re: #21 PT Barnum

Jerome Fucking Corsi? Really? People take that nutjob seriously? Really?

Yup. There was a brief attempt to marginalize him last year but that’s all gone now.

Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:40:31am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Fox: Birth Certificate TV Ads Ready to Go…

[Video]

Face, meet palm.

Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:42:00am

Let it roll. I hope Orly Taitz gets a thousand hours of free airtime during the run-up to November ‘12.

Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:42:01am

Well, if that’s all they’ve got.

America fuck yeah!

Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:42:20am

Jobs!

Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:42:41am

Full-Metal-Wingnut

Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:42:54am

re: #2 jamesfirecat

I’m still waiting for these people to tell me why it maters where he was born when his mother was a US citizen and thus EVEN IF HE WAS BORN IN KENYA HE WOULD STILL BE A US CITIZEN!

IMO, they want another chance at a legal showdown over the meaning of “natural” born citizen.

Simply Sarah Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:43:09am

re: #15 jamesfirecat

I know it’s just even in the way that reality and evidence don’t matter to them… even if they managed to prove their thesis that Obama wasn’t born in America, it still doesn’t mean anything unless they can also prove that he took citizenship somewhere else…

In short, there’s madness in their method.

It’s standard operating procedure for people when they lack anything legitimate to attack a person/group/idea on. See: Just about every campaign against gay rights/adoption/marriage (Throwing up claims about harm to children and family that have been definitively proven to be untrue) or non-Christians in general (I don’t think I need to explain this one) or non-whites (Ditto) or, in Massachusetts, transgendered people (Calling the proposed rights bill a “bathroom bill”). The so called arguments against these things/people are clearly baseless to any objective, rational person looking at them, but if you yell loud enough and bang your fist hard enough, you can convince a lot of people that want to be convinced.

JEA62 Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:43:13am

Birtherism has nothing to do with race.

What it has to do with is religion, and the GOP’s coordinated effort to implicate Obama as a Muslim, and by association, portray him as unpatriotic and in collusion with Islamic fundamentalists. Which conveniently fits their narrative that all Muslims are terrorists.

All they need to do is introduce enough doubt in the minds of enough voters for this strategy to be effective.

Even if Obama produced a live certificate of birth it would not undermine their strategy because it’s only a shade of doubt that they are working to achieve, not out and out accusation he’s not American.

They use it quite effectively for climate change as well; don’t outright oppose it, introduce doubt. If enough people doubt, the strategy works.

It’s the most f-cking brilliant political strategy I’ve seen in my lifetime. And the dirtiest.

jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:43:55am

re: #29 Stanley Sea

Well, if that’s all they’ve got.

America fuck yeah!

When morality is on on your side pound home morality.
When the law is on your side pound home the law.
When neither is pound the table.

Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:43:57am

re: #27 Gus 802

Face, meet palm.

Republicans aren’t even remotely connected to reality anymore.

philosophus invidius Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:46:00am

re: #34 JEA62

But you give too much credit to them by saying it’s not about race—as if their fear of Muslims had nothing to do with the fact that Islam is non-European religion and most Muslims look a bit brownish.

Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:47:28am

re: #37 philosophus invidius

But you give too much credit to them by saying it’s not about race—as if their fear of Muslims had nothing to do with the fact that Islam is non-European religion and most Muslims look a bit brownish.

So, it’s a two-fer.

Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:47:33am

I’m still scratching my head that The Donald may actually run for President of the United States.

Simply Sarah Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:48:43am

re: #28 Decatur Deb

Let it roll. I hope Orly Taitz gets a thousand hours of free airtime during the run-up to November ‘12.

I don’t. I’ve become increasingly cynical towards the ability of the average person to truly separate fact from nonsense, especially when the nonsense is beaten into their heads. I don’t even entirely blame people for it, since it seems to be, in part, a natural human response. In any case, this makes me feel that there is at least an equal chance that more face time for birther propaganda will result in more people believing it more deeply, rather than making people realize how baseless and stupid it is.

Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:49:05am

re: #39 Stanley Sea

I’m still scratching my head that The Donald may actually run for President of the United States.

If I keep scratching my head I’m going to wind up with Donald Trump hair.

[deleted] Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:49:33am

iceweasel Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:50:02am

re: #41 Gus 802

If I keep scratching my head I’m going to wind up with Donald Trump hair.

//

The Donald’s would escape, run away and hide if he scratched it.

Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:50:40am

Ha ha Gus, from your tweet, a new hashtag

#donaldtrumpisafuckingdumbass

Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:50:42am

re: #34 JEA62

Birtherism has nothing to do with race.

Absolutely wrong. It has everything to do with race. He’s the scary black man with the mysterious background, possibly from Kenya, possibly a Muslim, but definitely not one of “us.”

Birtherism is racism.

Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:50:45am

re: #40 Simply Sarah

I don’t. I’ve become increasingly cynical towards the ability of the average person to truly separate fact from nonsense, especially when the nonsense is beaten into their heads. I don’t even entirely blame people for it, since it seems to be, in part, a natural human response. In any case, this makes me feel that there is at least an equal chance that more face time for birther propaganda will result in more people believing it more deeply, rather than making people realize how baseless and stupid it is.

Nah. In the end, the mass of people are smart. If they weren’t, democracy wouldn’t and shouldn’t work.

Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:51:42am

re: #44 Stanley Sea

Ha ha Gus, from your tweet, a new hashtag

#donaldtrumpisafuckingdumbass

Re-tweet. But yeah, I saw that and had to approve. ;)

Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:57:19am

OT…

Here we go… Republicans Prepare To Reject Final White House Budget Offer

Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:58:42am

re: #48 Gus 802

OT…

Here we go… Republicans Prepare To Reject Final White House Budget Offer

What a rocking week this is starting out to be!

Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:58:43am

re: #48 Gus 802

OT…

Here we go… Republicans Prepare To Reject Final White House Budget Offer

Slow learners.

Interesting Times Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:58:58am

re: #46 Decatur Deb

Nah. In the end, the mass of people are smart. If they weren’t, democracy wouldn’t and shouldn’t work.

Which is why there’s a constant, pernicious effort to dumb everyone down*, idiocracy-style.

_{*See:

Creationism, Bills

Cutbacks, Education

Teachers, Demonization of

TV, Trashy Reality}

Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:59:25am

Damn. I think the wingnuts had about 500 cups of coffee this morning.re: #49 Stanley Sea

What a rocking week this is starting out to be!

I could almost feel it in the air this morning. Must be National Wingnut Day or something.

Simply Sarah Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:59:41am

re: #46 Decatur Deb

Nah. In the end, the mass of people are smart. If they weren’t, democracy wouldn’t and shouldn’t work.

Well, I’ll be honest. In my mind, democracy and democratic republicanism aren’t good systems because the “masses are smart”. Rather, they are good systems because it helps to prevent (But cannot prevent entirely) a few elite from totally taking control of things and running the State in a way that only benefits themselves (Or which is simply bad in general). When people can remove these bad leaders from power through the vote, it at least gives someone else a chance.

If you could find an immortal, enlightened, benevolent ‘dictator’ to run things in a manner that would benefit all (Or as close as you can get to all), then putting them in charge of everything may be a good system. It’s just that, leaving theology out of things for now, such a being doesn’t exist. As such, we’re left with flawed humans who may or may not do their best to work in the interests of the people at large. Rarely do you want one of these people to have (near) absolute power for any length of time. And even if you found someone worthy of such power, they won’t live for ever…

Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:01:28am

re: #52 Gus 802

Damn. I think the wingnuts had about 500 cups of coffee this morning.

I could almost feel it in the air this morning. Must be National Wingnut Day or something.

My place of residence on twitter? Wingnutistan. Some days it’s not appropriate, but today? I’m there.

jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:03:06am

re: #53 Simply Sarah

If you could find an immortal, enlightened, benevolent ‘dictator’ to run things in a manner that would benefit all (Or as close as you can get to all), then putting them in charge of everything may be a good system.

Vetinari for Patrician! He loves the city so much he’ll come back to do the job as a zombie!

Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:03:57am

re: #52 Gus 802

Damn. I think the wingnuts had about 500 cups of coffee this morning.

I could almost feel it in the air this morning. Must be National Wingnut Day or something.

The latest Jack Cashill garbage is all over the right wing blogosphere too. Bill Ayers wrote Obama’s autobiography - yes, that again.

These idiotic conspiracy theories just refuse to die.

Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:04:37am

re: #56 Charles

The latest Jack Cashill garbage is all over the right wing blogosphere too. Bill Ayers wrote Obama’s autobiography - yes, that again.

These idiotic conspiracies just refuse to die.

It’s another Wingnut Christmas.

Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:06:32am

re: #53 Simply Sarah

Well, I’ll be honest. In my mind, democracy and democratic republicanism aren’t good systems because the “masses are smart”. Rather, they are good systems because it helps to prevent (But cannot prevent entirely) a few elite from totally taking control of things and running the State in a way that only benefits themselves (Or which is simply bad in general). When people can remove these bad leaders from power through the vote, it at least gives someone else a chance.

If you could find an immortal, enlightened, benevolent ‘dictator’ to run things in a manner that would benefit all (Or as close as you can get to all), then putting them in charge of everything may be a good system. It’s just that, leaving theology out of things for now, such a being doesn’t exist. As such, we’re left with flawed humans who may or may not do their best to work in the interests of the people at large. Rarely do you want one of these people to have (near) absolute power for any length of time. And even if you found someone worthy of such power, they won’t live for ever…

“Picture the prince, such as most of them are today: a man ignorant of the law, well-nigh an enemy to his people’s advantage, while intent on his personal convenience, a dedicated voluptuary, a hater of learning, freedom and truth, without a thought for the interests of his country, and measuring everything in terms of his own profit and desires.”

-Erasmus

Nervous Norvous Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:08:52am

re: #57 Gus 802

It’s another Wingnut Christmas.

More like Spring time

It’s springtime for wingnuts, the GOP
Birthers, conspiracists and fools

euphgeek Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:08:57am

“They give you a certificate of live birth, which anybody can get. Just walk into the hospital and you get a certificate of live birth,” he said. “It’s not even signed by people.”

Okay, Donald, if what you claim is true, you should be able to prove it. Why don’t you go to a Hawaiian hospital and get yourself a certificate of live birth identical to Obama’s that lists Honolulu as the city you were born in? Then you can show the rest of us what fools we are. Run along now, the clock is ticking.

Romantic Heretic Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:10:26am

re: #6 publicityStunted

I do believe I’ve discovered footage of Trump’s new campaign manager:

[Video]

Listened to one minute of that then turned it off growling, “Fuck off, you brain dead loon!”

The howls of outrage in support of her sent shivers down my spine. The beast is loose.

Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:11:07am

Wingnuts and Islamists agree: The end is near….
Iranian Video Says Mahdi is ‘Near’

New evidence has emerged that the Iranian government sees the current unrest in the Middle East as a signal that the Mahdi—or Islamic messiah—is about to appear.

CBN News has obtained a never-before-seen video produced by the Iranian regime that says all the signs are moving into place — and that Iran will soon help usher in the end times.

While the revolutionary movements gripping the Middle East have created uncertainty throughout the region, the video shows that the Iranian regime believes the chaos is divine proof that their ultimate victory is at hand.

Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:12:20am

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts and Islamists agree: The end is near…
Iranian Video Says Mahdi is ‘Near’

lol, their source claims to be a CIA “double agent”.

Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:12:51am

BBL

makeitstop Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:13:08am

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts and Islamists agree: The end is near…
Iranian Video Says Mahdi is ‘Near’

What happens if the Mahdi appears and the Rapture occurs at the same time? Would they cancel each other out or something?

APox Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:13:16am

re: #6 publicityStunted

I do believe I’ve discovered footage of Trump’s new campaign manager:

[Video]

DEY TOOK R JOBS!!!!

Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:13:40am

re: #63 Killgore Trout

lol, their source claims to be a CIA “double agent”.

CBN News is a crazy religious right website masquerading as “news.”

brennant Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:14:27am

re: #67 Charles

CBN News is a crazy religious right website masquerading as “news.”

Drudge has it as his main headline.

Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:14:32am

Wingnutistan: when you read Mahdi twice in a morning.

brennant Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:15:20am

When I read ‘Mahdi’ All I can think of is Frank Herbert’s Dune.

Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:15:56am

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts and Islamists agree: The end is near…
Iranian Video Says Mahdi is ‘Near’

New evidence has emerged!!

LOL It really is the top headline on Drudge.

Romantic Heretic Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:16:02am

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Republicans aren’t even remotely connected to reality anymore.

Reality acts just the way it wants to act, which offends control freaks like the current Republican Party.

Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:16:03am

re: #65 makeitstop

What happens if the Mahdi appears and the Rapture occurs at the same time? Would they cancel each other out or something?

Nope, the new interpretation from Barton amd Glenn Beck is that they the Rapture will occur when the Mahdi returns. Although there are slight differences of interpretation the Islamists and the American Religious right are in agreement.

Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:16:53am

re: #71 Gus 802

New evidence has emerged!!

LOL It really is the top headline on Drudge.

Yeah, the video loads slowly because they’re getting slammed with traffic from Drudge (probably Fox too)

Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:17:11am

I love it. They found an obscure video made by the 12th Imam sect that predicts the end of the world.

Meanwhile, here in America, the “Left Behind” novels that very seriously predict the end of the world, with graphic violent imagery, are some of the best-selling books ever published — more than 65 million copies sold.

I Am Kreniigh! Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:17:21am

re: #13 PT Barnum

and the rest of us will point right back to him saying “You’re a FUCKING MORON!”

I totally heard that in a rICKY Gervais accent, intended or not.

“Don’t talk rubbish. HE’S TALKING SHIT!”

Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:17:53am

re: #67 Charles

CBN News is a crazy religious right website masquerading as “news.”

Yup, it’s Pat Robertson’s site. 700 Club.

Simply Sarah Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:18:29am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Yeah, the video loads slowly because they’re getting slammed with traffic from Drudge (probably Fox too)

I suppose I just can’t wrap my head around why this would be “news” or, uh, of any real interest or significance. You know, to us people trying to live in the real world.

Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:18:43am

Wow. It really is National Wingnut Day. Must be something like wingnut Spring fever.

Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:19:59am

OT, but I just think this evil NPR guy has the coolest name evah. Must share my joy.

David Folkenflik

makeitstop Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:20:10am

re: #79 Gus 802

Wow. It really is National Wingnut Day. Must be something like wingnut Spring fever.

Truly providing a brand new definition for ‘March Madness.’

Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:20:26am

re: #78 Simply Sarah

I suppose I just can’t wrap my head around why this would be “news” or, uh, of any real interest or significance. You know, to us people trying to live in the real world.

Beck will be all over this on his fox show. Religious prophecies are now considered Right wing “news”.

Romantic Heretic Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:21:34am

re: #53 Simply Sarah

The reason that democracy has such a hard time working these days.

Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:22:08am

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Beck will be all over this on his fox show. Religious prophecies are now considered Right wing “news”.

I’m going to steal that. ;)

Simply Sarah Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:22:22am

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Beck will be all over this on his fox show. Religious prophecies are now considered Right wing “news”.

So…the solution to all the country’s problems is to just make a bajillion different random religious prophecies and toss them out there, resulting in a large segment of the voting population being fixated on them to the point of not being able to do anything else?

Fozzie Bear Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:22:53am

Trump has seen the poll numbers on this, and he knows what he has to do. It’s not possible to win the GOP nomination without being a birther, climate change denier, pro-lifer, anti-gay, hostile to Muslims, and a vocally devout Christian.

If you don’t toe the line on every single one of those points, you simply have absolutely no chance of winning the GOP primary. It’s not really Trump’s fault that it is this way. The problem is the GOP base. The problem is that a significant number of Americans are completely fucking retarded.

(Trump of course is a flaming tool, but this is the only move that makes any strategic sense if you follow how these issues poll with GOP primary voters. He absolutely had to do this in order to have any chance at all of winning.)

Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:23:03am

Maybe the more musically inclined lizards can help me out here.

I need to make some videos for my business and I want to incorporate some music. But I need to avoid tracks that are encumbered by copyright and I can’t compose music myself and don’t know anyone who can.

What I need is free music that is in the public domain or free for commercial use. I have the classical side of things covered. But I don’t really know where to get free modern tracks from. Obviously google turns up a ton of links and I will have to sort through them but I thought maybe some lizards might know good sources already. I’m looking for music that evokes emotions/feelings of loneliness, vast open space, depth, mystery, and awe.

Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:27:31am

The end of the world is nigh!

Unless of course you vote for me!

Republican strategy - 2011

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:28:33am

Why’d Biden put that guy in a closet?

This is terrible, and I wonder why it hasn’t been talked about.

Anybody got a scoop?

Political Atheist Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:28:42am

re: #86 Fozzie Bear

Favorited, this will be interesting to review when we have a winner.

Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:31:00am

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why’d Biden put that guy in a closet?

This is terrible, and I wonder why it hasn’t been talked about.

Anybody got a scoop?

Waiting in the Closet
Scott Powers, the Orlando Sentinel reporter who was asked to wait in a closet at an event for Vice President Biden, writes about how his story was blown out of proportion.
“Take a couple details of information, toss them into the Internet and it can become like a child’s game of telephone — with each rendition adding spin and details. Only in this politically-charged environment, those spin and details can crystallize toward scandal. That’s especially true when it involves the vice president of the United States in an administration that has enraged a segment of American society.”

[Link: politicalwire.com…]

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:32:06am

re: #91 Stanley Sea

(thanks)

Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:33:11am

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why’d Biden put that guy in a closet?

This is terrible, and I wonder why it hasn’t been talked about.

Anybody got a scoop?

Got me. I imagine Biden wasn’t involved in the specifics. The reporter was told that the closet was a designated “hold room” and he wasn’t forced to go in there. It was in a mansion so I would think the closet was pretty big? Anyway, more here.

Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:35:19am

How my wait in a closet almost brought down the white house

ha, from the reporter.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:35:41am

re: #91 Stanley Sea

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:37:10am

re: #94 Stanley Sea

How my wait in a closet almost brought down the white house

ha, from the reporter.

Pretty funny. Drudge of course was ON IT!

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:37:12am

re: #94 Stanley Sea

He’s not nearly as generous in the ABC story. Straight from the horse’s mouth.

Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:37:48am

re: #94 Stanley Sea

How my wait in a closet almost brought down the white house

ha, from the reporter.

Cool. So it was a storage room. That sheds a lot of light.

Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:38:30am

re: #87 prononymous

Maybe the more musically inclined lizards can help me out here.

I need to make some videos for my business and I want to incorporate some music. But I need to avoid tracks that are encumbered by copyright and I can’t compose music myself and don’t know anyone who can.

What I need is free music that is in the public domain or free for commercial use. I have the classical side of things covered. But I don’t really know where to get free modern tracks from. Obviously google turns up a ton of links and I will have to sort through them but I thought maybe some lizards might know good sources already. I’m looking for music that evokes emotions/feelings of loneliness, vast open space, depth, mystery, and awe.

Hours of that on Tangerine Dream’s Divine Comedy, especially the Paradiso, but you’re still going to hit copyright on anything decent.

Youtube Video

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:39:10am

re: #87 prononymous

Anything by Metallica. They won’t mind.

Really.

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Gus Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:39:40am

Image: storage-225x300.jpg

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Stan the Demanded Plan Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:39:56am

BreakingNews Breaking News

French climber ‘Spiderman’ begins scaling the world’s tallest building, Dubai’s Burj tower - Al Jazeera [Link: bit.ly…]

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:40:51am

re: #102 Stanley Sea

“Le pant. Le heave.”
Le Stupid.

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:51:57am

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Hours of that on Tangerine Dream’s Divine Comedy, especially the Paradiso, but you’re still going to hit copyright on anything decent.

[Video]

Good, though I was thinking less vocal. Something like this:

Youtube Video

I get the feeling that you might be right about running into copyright issues. I may have to learn the synthesizer or pay some royalties.

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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:55:50am

re: #104 prononymous

Good, though I was thinking less vocal. Something like this:

[Video]I get the feeling that you might be right about running into copyright issues. I may have to learn the synthesizer or pay some royalties.

Kawaii’s soundtrack for Avalon:

Youtube Video

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ProBosniaLiberal Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:58:01am

re: #102 Stanley Sea

Okay I’ll wait till tomorrow to hear if he got to the top. :P

The rebels had a SNAFU in Libya today, they’re setting up for the night in Bin Jawad.

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Achilles Tang Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:06:00pm

re: #86 Fozzie Bear

Trump has seen the poll numbers on this, and he knows what he has to do. It’s not possible to win the GOP nomination without being a birther, climate change denier, pro-lifer, anti-gay, hostile to Muslims, and a vocally devout Christian.

If you don’t toe the line on every single one of those points, you simply have absolutely no chance of winning the GOP primary. It’s not really Trump’s fault that it is this way. The problem is the GOP base. The problem is that a significant number of Americans are completely fucking retarded.

That may be, but all those fucking retarded Americans didn’t have the brains to come up with most of these issues and arguments all on their own. They were primed and educated by their fucking leaders.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:06:46pm

re: #40 Simply Sarah

I don’t. I’ve become increasingly cynical towards the ability of the average person to truly separate fact from nonsense, especially when the nonsense is beaten into their heads. I don’t even entirely blame people for it, since it seems to be, in part, a natural human response. In any case, this makes me feel that there is at least an equal chance that more face time for birther propaganda will result in more people believing it more deeply, rather than making people realize how baseless and stupid it is.

I agree. This country is full of more hateful, stupid bigots then anyone wants to admit. They believe pretty much anything about about any minority of any kind as groups or individuals. We all laughed at Orly Taits when she came on the scene, what she was selling was so crazy, but here “movement” has grown because this country is full of bigots and racists who would embrace it. She knew that, and we knew that. We were just so busy pretending to be “post-racial” because nobody had used the n-word. Even if 55% of the country doesn’t have resentments based on religion or skin color or sexual orientation, etc, that leaves an awfully big and powerful bigoted minority to contend with. And they are just as vile and stupid as they ever where and always looking for a new dog whistle to blow.

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Fozzie Bear Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:54:47pm

re: #107 Naso Tang

That may be, but all those fucking retarded Americans didn’t have the brains to come up with most of these issues and arguments all on their own. They were primed and educated by their fucking leaders.

The ignorant people to whom you refer have always been here, in very large numbers. This isn’t something that happened from the top down, no matter how much you may want to believe that.

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Achilles Tang Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:19:54pm

re: #109 Fozzie Bear

The ignorant people to whom you refer have always been here, in very large numbers. This isn’t something that happened from the top down, no matter how much you may want to believe that.

Here we go at the tail end of a thread again. I don’t know why I end up here so often.

However this is not something I want to believe, it is something I understand. Fools and suckers are born every day, but with few exceptions they seldom know how to come up with counter arguments to known science, economics, or the melting point of steel, or simply “know” that nobody remembers Obama as a child.

Fools don’t do research, they are taught what little they think they know, and they are taught by the people they consider their leaders.

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Sully33 Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:50:55pm

When the whole “birther” thing started, I just thought that conservatives were grasping at straws and Obama was going to allow them to look silly. It seemed like a fine strategy. The only problem is that at some point, you do need to produce a birth certificate to achieve this.

BS or not, the birthers are only requesting what is legal. I would consider Obama a US citizen even if he was born out of the country simply because his mother was a US citizen, but that’s not the law.

I just don’t get it… Why let this continue if he can end it by simply showing his birth certificate?

If it’s lost, say that. Losing a piece of paper is believable. If whoever filled it out messed up a few things, same thing happened to me… people will understand human error. I just don’t see an upside for allowing this to continue.

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jaunte Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:53:46pm

re: #111 Sully33

When part of his political opposition insists on making themselves ridiculous,
why should he stop them?

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iceweasel Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:54:22pm

re: #111 Sully33

But he has shown his birth certificate. the issue has never really been about a birth certificate anyway, but about conveying the message that Obama is “other”, “not one of US”.

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Sully33 Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:55:47pm

re: #112 jaunte

because he’s giving them credibility by not setting the record straight.

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jaunte Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:57:02pm

re: #114 Sully33

What do you make of the birth announcements in the Honolulu papers?

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philosophus invidius Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:59:15pm

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/concern_troll

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Sully33 Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:59:43pm

You’re missing my point, I consider Obama an American. I’d just like him to end this foolishness.

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, Mar 28, 2011 2:00:40pm

re: #111 Sully33

BS or not, the birthers are only requesting what is legal. I would consider Obama a US citizen even if he was born out of the country simply because his mother was a US citizen, but that’s not the law.

Bullshit.

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jaunte Mon, Mar 28, 2011 2:00:50pm

re: #117 Sully33

Unfortunately it’s not his foolishness to end. No matter what proof he offers, there are those who won’t believe it, because they are convinced beyond proof that he should not be the president.

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Sully33 Mon, Mar 28, 2011 2:01:54pm

I agree with you there, and they suck…

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b_sharp Mon, Mar 28, 2011 2:15:02pm

re: #114 Sully33

because he’s giving them credibility by not setting the record straight.

Not at all, he’s brushing them off as the loons they are.

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Obdicut Mon, Mar 28, 2011 2:51:09pm

re: #111 Sully33

Obama has produced his birth certificate.

Why don’t you people get that?

It’s not hard.

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Achilles Tang Mon, Mar 28, 2011 2:51:20pm

re: #111 Sully33

When the whole “birther” thing started, I just thought that conservatives were grasping at straws and Obama was going to allow them to look silly. It seemed like a fine strategy. The only problem is that at some point, you do need to produce a birth certificate to achieve this.

BS or not, the birthers are only requesting what is legal. I would consider Obama a US citizen even if he was born out of the country simply because his mother was a US citizen, but that’s not the law.

I just don’t get it… Why let this continue if he can end it by simply showing his birth certificate?

If it’s lost, say that. Losing a piece of paper is believable. If whoever filled it out messed up a few things, same thing happened to me… people will understand human error. I just don’t see an upside for allowing this to continue.

Are you really that stupid? You must be, since trolling for effect here won’t get you far.

Even the great Hannity admits that he believes Obama was born in Hawaii, he just plays to people like you.

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, Mar 28, 2011 2:51:50pm

re: #114 Sully33

because he’s giving them credibility by not setting the record straight.

Wrong. He’d be giving them credibility by further addressing the issue. Even if you take the view that “natural born” citizens were ones born on US soil, the legal requirement was met when he released the short form certificate. If you or anyone else thinks he is legally obligated to produce more documentation then that then you are sadly mistaken. Further addressing conspiracy theories only feeds the trolls.

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HappyWarrior Mon, Mar 28, 2011 2:56:03pm

It was pointed out recently but the president’s mother was pregnant when she married the president’s father in Hawaii. Doesn’t make any sense for a pregnant woman to go all the way from Hawaii to Kenya to give birth. And furthermore, there were notices of his birth in the newspapers. Of course, the moronic birthers believe that everyone is on this conspiracy. And James asked it already earleir but he’d still be an American citizen even if born in Kenya by virtue of his mother’s US birth and citizenship. THis is nothing but xenophobic crap.

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Achilles Tang Mon, Mar 28, 2011 3:00:48pm

Looks like Sully33 ran away.

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, Mar 28, 2011 3:07:16pm

re: #126 Naso Tang

It’s the common troll modus operandi. Stir up some shit, then run away.

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Sully33 Mon, Mar 28, 2011 4:16:57pm

I had to make dinner guys… Some people have a life outside of the LGF comment section. Seriously, I just want this story to go away, and the person who can do that the quickest is the President.

I never disputed his citizenship. Try reading what I wrote.

I’m not a troll, I just don’t have the time to answer every question or be offended if someone disagrees with me… My opinions are mine and I’m pretty sure nobody else owns them.

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Obdicut Mon, Mar 28, 2011 4:18:29pm

re: #128 Sully33

I never disputed his citizenship. Try reading what I wrote.

I did. You said he ought to produce the birth certificate. He has.

So, what’s your problem?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Mar 28, 2011 4:27:11pm

re: #34 JEA62

Birtherism has nothing to do with race.

What it has to do with is religion, and the GOP’s coordinated effort to implicate Obama as a Muslim, and by association, portray him as unpatriotic and in collusion with Islamic fundamentalists. Which conveniently fits their narrative that all Muslims are terrorists.

All they need to do is introduce enough doubt in the minds of enough voters for this strategy to be effective.

Even if Obama produced a live certificate of birth it would not undermine their strategy because it’s only a shade of doubt that they are working to achieve, not out and out accusation he’s not American.

They use it quite effectively for climate change as well; don’t outright oppose it, introduce doubt. If enough people doubt, the strategy works.

It’s the most f-cking brilliant political strategy I’ve seen in my lifetime. And the dirtiest.

if you don’t see the racism in birtherism, you are in flat denial of your surroundinga

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Mar 28, 2011 4:28:15pm

re: #128 Sully33

the birth certificate thing is insulting to our intelligence, hence you get slammed when you bring it up. We here on LGF have forgotten more about birther talking points than you’ll ever know

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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 28, 2011 4:35:53pm

re: #111 Sully33

When the whole “birther” thing started, I just thought that conservatives were grasping at straws and Obama was going to allow them to look silly. It seemed like a fine strategy. The only problem is that at some point, you do need to produce a birth certificate to achieve this.

BS or not, the birthers are only requesting what is legal. I would consider Obama a US citizen even if he was born out of the country simply because his mother was a US citizen, but that’s not the law.

I just don’t get it… Why let this continue if he can end it by simply showing his birth certificate?

If it’s lost, say that. Losing a piece of paper is believable. If whoever filled it out messed up a few things, same thing happened to me… people will understand human error. I just don’t see an upside for allowing this to continue.

“but that’s not the law.”

Actually it is.

If one of your parents is American, and you don’t get any other kind of citizenship, by default you are an American.

“the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”

[Link: rs6.loc.gov…]

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, Mar 28, 2011 5:25:31pm

re: #128 Sully33

I never disputed his citizenship. Try reading what I wrote.

What you wrote is:

BS or not, the birthers are only requesting what is legal

That is a load of bullshit. Obama fulfilled the legal requirements already. Why are you trying to cast it otherwise?

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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:01:40pm

Donald Chump Fail!

Jamaican Me Crazy

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com…]

So much fail:

Donald Trump made headlines earlier today when he provided what he said was a copy of his birth certificate—but a quick check reveals it’s actually not an official document.

The paper that Trump released says “Jamaica Hospital” on top and lists the date and time of what he says was his birth to “Mr. and Mrs. Fred C. Trump.” The piece of paper has a seal at the bottom.

But after several New York City-based readers contacted POLITICO’s Maggie Haberman, her call to city officials revealed that an actual birth certificate, which is issued by the Department of Health, would have the agency’s seal and also a signature of the city registrar – neither of which the Trump document has. Officials said the city Health Department is the “sole issuing authority” of official birth certificates in New York, and that the document would clearly say so, and “city officials said it’s not an official document.”

It appears instead to be a hospital “certificate of birth,” meaning the piece of paper the hospital gave to his family saying he was born. Such a document typically has the signature of the hospital administrator and the attending physician.

Does this mean Trump was born in Kenya?

Also too, you’re fired.

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Petero1818 Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:12:20pm

Trump: “Nobody remembers him. Nobody. I can’t find anyone who remembers him. Oh..you remember him being born? Seriously? Liar, nobody would be able to remember that so long ago.”

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Westward Ho Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:25:43pm

I loathe this pompous ass whenever I see him I want to go full bore cultural revolution on him where they stopped you in the street and humiliated you by giving you a forced haircut. If he stands for POTUS I doubt whether he will even secure the votes of all his employees.

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Spricio Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:40:47pm

Why can’t this be put to rest. Honestly.

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mikec6666 Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:15:56pm

“Pay no attention to the clown darling, he’s drunk.”

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Sully33 Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:44:33pm

I swear…. If I fart inside this echo chamber, you’ll never hear the end of it….

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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:48:46pm

re: #139 Sully33