Holocaust-Denying Bishop ‘Apologizes’ to Pope

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Holocaust denier Bishop Richard Williamson has apologized to Pope Benedict for causing him “distress.”

Williamson’s apology came in the form of a letter, dated Jan. 28, to Cardinal Dario Castrillón Hoyos, head of the Vatican office that deals with the Society of St. Pius X and other traditionalist groups disaffected by church reforms stemming from the Second Vatican Council (1962-65).

“Amidst this tremendous media storm stirred up by imprudent remarks of mine on Swedish television, I beg of you to accept … my sincere regrets for having caused to yourself and to the Holy Father so much unnecessary distress and problems,” Williamson wrote.

The bishop also expressed gratitude for Benedict’s cancellation of his excommunication and promised to “offer a Mass” for the pope and Castrillón.

In an introductory comment for readers of his blog, Williamson suggested that critics had exploited his remarks merely to attack Benedict. “Last week’s media uproar” was “surely aimed rather at the Holy Father than at a relatively insignificant bishop,” he wrote.

Williamson also hinted that his apology was not a retraction of his inflammatory historical statements but a gesture of deference to the pope.

It’s a classic unapologetic apology; Williamson did not retract his Holocaust denial, and he offered no apology to Jews for his vile beliefs. But that’s not surprising because the order to which he belongs is a virulently antisemitic “traditionalist” group that pines for the good old days when heretics could be tortured and executed, women knew their place, and Jews were Christ-killers.

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533 comments
1 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:21:42pm

The Pope is not the one due an apology

2 Buster Bunny  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:22:01pm

He's unrepentant and just doing this to keep the post.

3 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:22:19pm

Setting back Catholic-Jewish relations a couple of hundred years. No, only 50 years. Things were pretty bad in some places before Vatican 2.

4 pink freud  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:22:35pm

Apology due the Jewish people.

5 monkeytime  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:23:16pm

re: #1 Dustyvet

The Pope is not the one due an apology

Well said and I agree that it is not an apology. THis whole thing makes me sick. He should offer a mass for all of the Jews killed in the concentration camps.

6 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:23:44pm

I hope Winston06 stays away.

7 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:23:59pm

The Pope is apparently not too bright. This guy was rightfully cast out by John Paul II, and he should have stayed there. There is no excuse for this but politics, as usual.

8 loppyd  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:24:13pm

BFD.

Apologizing to the survivors would be a nice place to start.

9 victor_yugo  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:25:12pm

re: #6 MandyManners

Careful, saying his name might bring him in.

Kind of like Glenn Greenwald.

10 bj  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:25:22pm

re: #1 Dustyvet

The Pope is not the one due an apology

Does the Pope know that?

11 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:26:41pm

What a maroon.

12 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:27:05pm

What a moron.

And he's got a blog, no less.

13 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:27:23pm

I am so sick of these hypocrites, every last one of them. Grrrrrrr

14 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:27:39pm

re: #11 Wishing

What a maroon.

(I know what you're saying but I couldn't resist)
He's more a brownshirt than one who wears maroon

15 victor_yugo  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:28:05pm

re: #11 Wishing

What a maroon.

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

What a moron.

24 seconds' difference.

16 monkeytime  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:28:29pm

Most Catholics are not anti semites.

Father Lombardi Denounces Holocaust-Deniers

17 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:28:49pm

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

What a moron.

And he's got a blog, no less.

I bet the assshole holds comments in moderation.

18 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:29:31pm
"Amidst this tremendous media storm stirred up by imprudent remarks of mine on Swedish television, I beg of you to accept . . . my sincere regrets for having caused to yourself and to the Holy Father so much unnecessary distress and problems,”

Is that what we call anti-Semitic comments now? Imprudent? I'm not sure if I've ever seen a more insulting "apology" in my life.

19 traderjoe9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:29:46pm
I beg of you to accept . . . my sincere regrets for having caused to yourself and to the Holy Father so much unnecessary distress and problems,” Williamson wrote.

What a shmuck.

20 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:31:34pm

Even Ojoe, a bad Catholic, says boot Williamson out of the Church.

21 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:32:58pm

re: #20 Ojoe

Even Ojoe, a bad Catholic, says boot Williamson out of the Church.

unrealizedviewpoint, an ex-Catholic, agrees with Ojoe.

22 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:33:41pm

re: #20 Ojoe

Even Ojoe, a bad Catholic, says boot Williamson out of the Church.

At the least he should be stripped of all authority.

23 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:34:49pm

re: #20 Ojoe

re: #21 unrealizedviewpoint

Sharmuta- who has been considering conversion to Catholicism, agrees and thinks this is one of the reasons the consideration is ongoing.

24 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:34:57pm

Sorry to go OT but I think were in trouble.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Maybe even Palin.

25 traderjoe9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:35:22pm

re: #16 monkeytime

Most Catholics are not anti semites.

Father Lombardi Denounces Holocaust-Deniers

He'll argue that he isn't an anti-Semite because he worships a Jew.

26 victor_yugo  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:35:37pm

re: #17 MandyManners

I bet the assshole holds comments in moderation.

That's no big deal. I do the same on my blog.

27 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:35:56pm

As penance the Bishop should be made to count hairs one by one and recite one of the known names at each hair.

28 esch  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:36:13pm

re: #24 VegasRick

Sorry to go OT but I think were in trouble.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Maybe even Palin.

Hey Govs! Go to your legislatures and tell them to stop spending money!

Fools.

29 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:36:35pm

re: #24 VegasRick

Sorry to go OT but I think were in trouble.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Maybe even Palin.

Dammit all to hell! I have to live on a budget! Why cant these government swine do like-wise!
Damn damn them all!
I am just so mad! FURIOUS is a better word.

30 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:37:00pm

This guy needs to go. Though I am sure not the response I should have had, I found the teachings in the marital fidelity/birth control funny - let me summarize:

You don't need no stinkin' rhythm method or impossible self control! By virtue of having babies, birth control will simply happen because your wife will be too tired at the end of the day after nursing, dealing with babies who don't sleep, taking care of the house, etc! Voila! Problem solved.

31 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:37:35pm

re: #29 Wishing

Dammit all to hell! I have to live on a budget! Why cant these government swine do like-wise!
Damn damn them all!
I am just so mad! FURIOUS is a better word.

You can bet that my gov (Ahnuld) is at the front of the trough.

32 victor_yugo  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:37:52pm

re: #29 Wishing

Dammit all to hell! I have to live on a budget! Why cant these government swine do like-wise!
Damn damn them all!
I am just so mad! FURIOUS is a better word.

Enraged?

33 vaynela  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:38:11pm

Tenth circle of hell for all holocaust deniers.

34 esch  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:38:18pm

Livid covers my end of it.

35 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:38:24pm

re: #23 Sharmuta

I was raised Catholic. I never, ever heard stuff like this. My proof is I married someone Jewish, as did my brother. So 2/3rds of my Catholic parent's children married Jews and no one batted an eye.

36 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:38:30pm

re: #32 victor_yugo

Enraged?

I am trying to still my soul and not say something I will forever regret!

37 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:39:44pm

The Bishop should be required to read this book.

Theory and Practice of Hell

by Eugene Kogon

38 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:40:27pm

Seriously- it's crap like this that gives people considering joining the Catholic Church pause to think. Who wants to willingly associate themselves with this except Jew haters? I can read the reasonings behind the Pope's moves, but most people won't give it that much time- they'll just look at other options.

39 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:40:32pm

What the government needs is help producing more wealth. We have this killer copier where I work...

40 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:41:26pm

Not that this atones in any way for the other dude, but at least one priest is going to extra lengths to make sure there can be no denial.

Priest Uncovering Beginnings of Final Solution

41 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:42:10pm

re: #39 USBeast

What the government needs is help producing more wealth. We have this killer copier where I work...

They got their own, no worries. Well, cept for super-inflation latter part of '10.

42 monkeytime  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:42:11pm

re: #35 ArmyWife

I was raised Catholic. I never, ever heard stuff like this. My proof is I married someone Jewish, as did my brother. So 2/3rds of my Catholic parent's children married Jews and no one batted an eye.

I have alot of Jews in my family too. My great grandfather was a Polish Jew and my Great Grandmother was an Irish Catholic. The boys were all raised Jewish and the girls Catholic. It is a beautiful family.

43 pat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:42:22pm

OT. Obama's increasingly bizarre wailing about the poor state of the economy seems to be driving economic indicators increasingly downward. Employers have begun to panic and are not only failing to invest, but are letting go employees at a record rate prior to increases in the unemployment tax and more onerous restrictions. Biden's hints that Washington will not tolerate profits while it rewards constituents with the worst budget amendment in the history of the nation is having an anti-stimulus effect that has destroyed the stock and bonds market. this follows the corrupt Paulson Panic that turned out to be a bailout of his ex-employer and his social peers. Billions stolen from the public coffers for absolutely no good reason. At some point one must wonder if Obama has the remotest idea of what he is doing. Is he panicking because he is an incompetent, or is he being manipulated by Pelosi as Bush was by Paulson,or is this something more devious such as an attempt to destroy America in order to weaken it to a European level? Note that while he increases The National Endowment to the Arts budget by hundreds of times he has decreased the Pentagons budget by 11%

44 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:43:04pm

I don't think the Catholic Church has ever admitted to complicity in Hitler's final solution, have they? In fact, I think they pretty much deny any such? I will gladly be corrected if wrong.

45 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:43:35pm

re: #35 ArmyWife

Well, Hon. I've personally never understood anti-Semitism- or bigotry of any kind for that matter. I take the "content of one's character" in Dr. King's dream to heart.

46 monkeytime  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:43:51pm

re: #40 Pianobuff

Not that this atones in any way for the other dude, but at least one priest is going to extra lengths to make sure there can be no denial.

Priest Uncovering Beginnings of Final Solution

No one can undue what that tard did but himself. It just saddens me to the core that he speaks like that and harms Jewish/Catholic relations.

47 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:45:08pm

I'm not particularly the religious type..this is another reason why...I'm sympathetic for Catholics tho....this stinks

48 traderjoe9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:47:04pm

re: #47 albusteve

I'm not particularly the religious type..this is another reason why...I'm sympathetic for Catholics tho....this stinks

Sympathetic for Catholics? Why?

49 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:48:35pm

re: #48 traderjoe9

Sympathetic for Catholics? Why?

because I want to...

50 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:49:08pm

he isn't sorry for anything, he's sorry he's in trouble.
he resents the discomfort he feels .
he's like a politician. he didn't do anything wrong.
maybe he's been following the blago saga.

51 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:50:40pm

re: #50 nyc redneck

he isn't sorry for anything, he's sorry he's in trouble.
he resents the discomfort he feels .

Just like a child.

52 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:51:00pm

This jackass "Bishop" should be required to spend some time with Father Desbois, looking over his research and talking to the folks the good Father has spoken to.
"Priest uncovering beginnings of "Final Solution"
[Link: www.comcast.net...]

53 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:51:49pm

re: #39 USBeast

What the government needs is help producing more wealth. We have this killer copier where I work...

You say this in jest, but Bernanke said basically that exact same thing. "We have this device called a printing press..."

54 pat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:52:34pm

re: #44 Wishing

Frankly I am mystified as to why revisionist suddenly have blamed the Catholic Church for the holocaust. Germany has as many Lutherans as Catholic, and even more other Protestant faiths. Hitler was not a Christian. In Italy, the only country warring country that still had Papal influence, much was done to help the Jews, even under Mussolini. while Pius did not publicly condemn the holocaust after 1942, and it is likely he was aware because of the activities of Lutheran and Catholic priests, thousands which either joined the Jews in the camps or were outright executed, there is no doubt under the table much was done. Attested in part by the Italian populations general refusal to cooperate with the Nazis.

55 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:53:12pm

Holy Mother Church and I parted company when I was twelve on the day of my Confirmation. I still have a certain sympathy for it and for Catholics in general but wonder at the mental gymnastics it takes for the Church to relate itself to the real world.

56 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:55:25pm

re: #53 Scion9

You say this in jest, but Bernanke said basically that exact same thing. "We have this device called a printing press..."

Yes, I know. The problem for me is that I don't have access to it. This is monumentally unfair.

57 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:57:03pm

re: #44 Wishing

I don't think the Catholic Church has ever admitted to complicity in Hitler's final solution, have they? In fact, I think they pretty much deny any such? I will gladly be corrected if wrong.

Complicity is an extremely strong word to use.

58 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:57:16pm

re: #54 pat

Frankly I am mystified as to why revisionist suddenly have blamed the Catholic Church for the holocaust. Germany has as many Lutherans as Catholic, and even more other Protestant faiths. Hitler was not a Christian. In Italy, the only country warring country that still had Papal influence, much was done to help the Jews, even under Mussolini. while Pius did not publicly condemn the holocaust after 1942, and it is likely he was aware because of the activities of Lutheran and Catholic priests, thousands which either joined the Jews in the camps or were outright executed, there is no doubt under the table much was done. Attested in part by the Italian populations general refusal to cooperate with the Nazis.

I didn't blame the RCC for the holocaust. I simply said that I don't recall that RCC ever acknowledged any complicity in the final solution.

59 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:57:31pm

Just remember- the Discovery Institute thinks the Jews have no right to complain about this.

60 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:57:52pm

re: #57 Scion9

Complicity is an extremely strong word to use.

Sorry scion, just recalling what I read at the Holocaust Memorial in Israel.

61 The Shadow Do  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 3:59:25pm

I'm not Catholic so I have no seat at the table. Nonetheless, from where I do sit, the Pope now owns this mess and it is he who should apologize - to the Jews. Today. One man's opinion.

62 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:01:55pm

What will Benedict do next?

63 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:02:18pm

You do have to wonder, though, if nobody in the church knew about this bishop's views before or as he was being promoted up the line....

64 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:03:19pm

Some historical antisemitism in Europe:

Judensau (German for "Jews' sow") is a derogatory and dehumanizing image of Jews in obscene contact with a large sow (female pig), which in Judaism is an unclean animal, that appeared during the 13th century in Germany and some other European countries. Its popularity lasted for over 600 years and was revived by the Nazis.
...
The image appears in the Middle Ages, mostly in carvings on church or cathedral walls, often outside where it could be seen from the street (for example at Wittenberg and Regensberg Cathedral), but also in other forms. The earliest appearance seems to be on the underside of a choir-stall seat in Cologne Cathedral, dating from about 1210.


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

65 Jim708  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:03:46pm

Screw apologies. Confine this SOB to one of the remaining huts at Auschwitz for a year.

That's a hell of a lot longer than any Jew lasted in them.

66 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:03:52pm

re: #61 The Shadow Do

I'm not Catholic so I have no seat at the table. Nonetheless, from where I do sit, the Pope now owns this mess and it is he who should apologize - to the Jews. Today. One man's opinion.

agreed and to go a little further I hold in contempt the people who give these crackpots a forum...publishers, TV and radio, universities...there is big money in perpetuating this ghastly myth...power/influence and money

67 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:03:57pm

re: #63 Pianobuff

You do have to wonder, though, if nobody in the church knew about this bishop's views before or as he was being promoted up the line....

He never hid his views, he trumpeted them. Believe me, if we know, the church has known for a long time, also. They are not uninformed.

68 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:04:10pm

re: #63 Pianobuff

You do have to wonder, though, if nobody in the church knew about this bishop's views before or as he was being promoted up the line....

Surely it knew about the SSPX.

69 pat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:05:08pm

re: #58 Wishing

Oh, that wasn't met as a personal statement re your opinions, just a reflection of a new academic attack on the Catholic church. And as for the nutty priest in question, he converted once, maybe he can join the Arayan Brotherhood next.

70 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:05:56pm

Not only is Richard Williamson a Holocaust denier he's also a 9-11 troofer.(warning this goes to his blog and I think I just lost 10 IQ points reading it)

How could kerosene burning at 850° Centigrade melt each Tower’s 47 central columns made of steel which melts only at 1500° Centigrade? (But they were softened? But did the Towers wilt, or crash?) Secondly, the South Tower plane cut within, but across, its South-East Corner – then how did the Tower fall not towards the South-East but vertically downwards, “within its footprint” as in a perfect demolition? Thirdly, if (as we are told) the concrete floors pan-caked on top of one another, then how did both Towers collapse at the speed of gravity, and how, pray, did the 47 steel columns (which carried the floors and were not carried by them) not remain standing?
71 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:06:22pm

re: #69 pat

Oh, that wasn't met as a personal statement re your opinions, just a reflection of a new academic attack on the Catholic church. And as for the nutty priest in question, he converted once, maybe he can join the Arayan Brotherhood next.

I don't think the SSPX is too far removed from Aryan Brotherhood.

72 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:06:38pm

re: #22 MandyManners

In fact, the idea of Williamson saying Mass really torques me.

73 The Shadow Do  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:06:47pm

re: #66 albusteve

agreed and to go a little further I hold in contempt the people who give these crackpots a forum...publishers, TV and radio, universities...there is big money in perpetuating this ghastly myth...power/influence and money

Again, I am not Catholic, but I do agree that this smacks of politics and not morality. Pretty damn sad.

74 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:07:30pm

re: #63 Pianobuff

He wasn't being "promoted up the line." We was never consecrated as a bishop in the Church to begin with. (The bogus outside-the-church consecration is why he was excommunicated in the first place.)

75 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:07:56pm
76 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:08:13pm

re: #70 Neo Con since 9-11

Not only is Richard Williamson a Holocaust denier he's also a 9-11 troofer.(warning this goes to his blog and I think I just lost 10 IQ points reading it)

Not only is he a Jew-hating bastard, he's a stupid, fucking Jew-hating bastard.

77 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:08:13pm

re: #60 Wishing

Sorry scion, just recalling what I read at the Holocaust Memorial in Israel.

Complicity implies a lot more than just failure to act. Pius XII, the Vatican, nor the mainstream Catholic clergy of Germany was involved in the planning or execution of the Holocaust.

That they could have done more is an understatement, but to imply guilt from that takes it too far. A lot of people could have done more, and quite a few did much less.

Much of the narrative concerning the Vatican's supposed guilt comes from Polish Communists that wished to discredit the Church in their own country. Of course those Polish Communists were one such group that didn't do much to help their own Jewish population.

78 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:08:29pm

I know my place. This morning it was at the Chocolate Fest. Mmmmmm...

I have no problem being in the kitchen all day if chocolate is involved. ;)

I'll let you all know where my place is next weekend.

79 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:08:29pm

re: #74 wolfie

He wasn't being "promoted up the line." We was never consecrated as a bishop in the Church to begin with. (The bogus outside-the-church consecration is why he was excommunicated in the first place.)

Correct wolfie, the SSPX guys denounced Vatican II and basically did their own thang.

80 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:09:30pm

re: #73 The Shadow Do

Again, I am not Catholic, but I do agree that this smacks of politics and not morality. Pretty damn sad.

it's like Jews are some kind of poker chip at the international game table....

81 Morganfrost  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:10:11pm

OK, based on the view expressed by the Society of St. Pius X, I think the Pope probably has a little bit of 'splaining to do. The article linked did strike me as: a) a tad offensive to Jews; and b) directly in contradiction to a pronouncement of a pope speaking ex cathedra.

82 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:10:13pm

re: #77 Scion9

Complicity implies a lot more than just failure to act. Pius XII, the Vatican, nor the mainstream Catholic clergy of Germany was involved in the planning or execution of the Holocaust.

That they could have done more is an understatement, but to imply guilt from that takes it too far. A lot of people could have done more, and quite a few did much less.

Much of the narrative concerning the Vatican's supposed guilt comes from Polish Communists that wished to discredit the Church in their own country. Of course those Polish Communists were one such group that didn't do much to help their own Jewish population.

I hear your discomfort Scion, I am just pointing out that the RCC never publicly denounced the final solution. Complicity was probably a bad choice of wording.

83 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:10:40pm

re: #76 MandyManners

Not only is he a Jew-hating bastard, he's a stupid, fucking Jew-hating bastard.


He has a news letter too...
Letters From The Rectum....

opps did I mispell that?
my bad!

84 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:11:54pm

re: #77 Scion9

Complicity implies a lot more than just failure to act. Pius XII, the Vatican, nor the mainstream Catholic clergy of Germany was involved in the planning or execution of the Holocaust.

That they could have done more is an understatement, but to imply guilt from that takes it too far. A lot of people could have done more, and quite a few did much less.

Much of the narrative concerning the Vatican's supposed guilt comes from Polish Communists that wished to discredit the Church in their own country. Of course those Polish Communists were one such group that didn't do much to help their own Jewish population.

Anyone who knew what was going on, and who did not shout it from from the rooftops, or do what they could to stop it, wether it was one person, or the whole Catholic Church makes whomever complicit in my opinion.

85 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:12:02pm

re: #83 JCM

He has a news letter too...
Letters From The Rectum....

opps did I mispell that?
my bad!

My bad, because I laughed. LOL

86 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:12:37pm

re: #66 albusteve

agreed and to go a little further I hold in contempt the people who give these crackpots a forum...publishers, TV and radio, universities...there is big money in perpetuating this ghastly myth...power/influence and money

I can't imagine that anti-Semitic and anti-American conspiracy theories and propaganda are uncommon on Swedish television unfortunately. This was of course also the country that was a hair's breadth away from voting itself into the Soviet Union during the height of the Cold War.

87 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:12:59pm

Our friend is back, Mandy.

88 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:13:38pm

And now AP is just reporting in the last few minutes that a synagogue has been attacked in Venezuela.

89 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:13:43pm

I wonder what kind of hate mail Charles is getting for covering this story. It wasn't that long ago that people here would get very upset when topics like this were discussed.

90 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:14:17pm

re: #88 Pianobuff

And now AP is just reporting in the last few minutes that a synagogue has been attacked in Venezuela.

That happened last week.

91 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:14:23pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

Our friend is back, Mandy.

He should be here any second now...5,4,3,2,1....

92 pat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:14:43pm

If silence is guilt then there is no worse than Roosevelt.

93 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:14:58pm

re: #84 CapeCoddah

Anyone who knew what was going on, and who did not shout it from from the rooftops, or do what they could to stop it, wether it was one person, or the whole Catholic Church makes whomever complicit in my opinion.

That makes everyone complicit. Who exactly did condemn the Holocaust before it was in their best interest to do so? Britain didn't go to war to save Jews, and the US didn't go to war until it was in their interest to do so.

94 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:15:07pm

re: #86 Scion9

I can't imagine that anti-Semitic and anti-American conspiracy theories and propaganda are uncommon on Swedish television unfortunately. This was of course also the country that was a hair's breadth away from voting itself into the Soviet Union during the height of the Cold War.

my ex visits her buddy over there every year...thinks it's the greatest country on the planet...I said ex

95 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:15:11pm

re: #90 CapeCoddah

That happened last week.

Recycling the news or just slow?

96 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:15:24pm

re: #88 Pianobuff

And now AP is just reporting in the last few minutes that a synagogue has been attacked in Venezuela.

Bastards!

97 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:15:33pm

re: #90 CapeCoddah

Must be a re-issue as the date/time was just a few minutes ago. My bad for not keeping up.

98 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:15:41pm

re: #82 Wishing

I hear your discomfort Scion, I am just pointing out that the RCC never publicly denounced the final solution. Complicity was probably a bad choice of wording.

Neither did the US government.
Both did denounce it mightily.. after the war and when the extent of the crimes was evident.

99 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:16:53pm

re: #94 albusteve

my ex visits her buddy over there every year...thinks it's the greatest country on the planet...I said ex

My friend's girlfriend is a Swede, and he thinks its a great place too. Neither is a conspiracy theorist, jew hating goon. I'm sure it is a 'nice' place, but so too are many places in the US overrun by moonbats.

100 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:17:05pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

Our friend is back, Mandy.

Who?

101 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:17:24pm

re: #95 Dustyvet

Recycling the news or just slow?

"hey, we ran the story!...whats yer beef?"
I hate the MSM

102 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:17:47pm

re: #100 MandyManners

Look at your dings on #17.

103 Render  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:18:17pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

You get mail?

TWO
PIECES,
R

104 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:18:24pm

re: #101 albusteve

"hey, we ran the story!...whats yer beef?"
I hate the MSM

I know where my beef is, where's AP's?:)

105 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:18:29pm

re: #70 Neo Con since 9-11

Well as an architect I will reply to WILLIAMSON'S BLOG:

1. STEEL IS DUCTILE AT ROOM TEMPERATURE. (MEANS "IT WILL BEND')

well I had the caps lock on but in this case I will not fix it....

2. The plane's impact and the fuel & paper fires took out several contiguous floors worth of relatively thin bar joists and floor pans/concrete.

3. When about 3 floors were compromised, the lateral support that the floors gave to the exterior columns was gone, so the exterior columns' unsupported length (L/R) increased to the point that they buckled. Go see Euler's formula.
The columns would have buckled even at room temperature. And, these exterior columns were main vertical supports.

4. With the exterior columns giving way, all the load above them accelerated downward as an enormous consolidated weight, and crushed everything beneath, including human beings.

5. The stories above the compromised columns were smashed as they stopped falling at the bottom.

THERE YOU HAVE IT YOU IDIOT.

106 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:18:42pm

re: #102 Sharmuta

Oh, dear. Have fun with her if she dares to stick up her head. I've gotta' finish and eat dinner. bbiaw

107 yochanan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:18:57pm

re: #64 jaunte

Some historical antisemitism in Europe:


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Image: File:Wittenberg_Judensau_Grafik.jpg

108 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:18:59pm

re: #103 Render

Yes- and a great help they will be. Thank you for your time.

109 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:19:03pm

re: #99 Scion9

My friend's girlfriend is a Swede, and he thinks its a great place too. Neither is a conspiracy theorist, jew hating goon. I'm sure it is a 'nice' place, but so too are many places in the US overrun by moonbats.

complacency gets people killed

110 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:19:07pm

OT - The One's brother arrested for marijuana. I suggest his give ol' Bill a call and ask about the appropriate protocol for embarrassing family members.

111 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:19:44pm
112 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:19:54pm

re: #102 Sharmuta

Look at your dings on #17.

Does it ever post? I don't recognize the nic.

113 USCMSNE  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:20:34pm
For he was pierced for our transgressions. He was crushed for our inequities. The punishment that brought us peace was upon him. By his wounds we are healed.

I've always been puzzled by antisemitism in the name of Christ. There's a lesson to be learned in the Jews killing a fellow Jew. That's the point of the story. You'd think the bishop would be privy to this. Sorry for the Scripture, just making a point.

114 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:20:36pm

I have no patience with "truthers".

115 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:20:50pm
116 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:21:03pm

re: #82 Wishing

I hear your discomfort Scion, I am just pointing out that the RCC never publicly denounced the final solution. Complicity was probably a bad choice of wording.

I'm not a Catholic, so my 'discomfort' isn't all that great, it's just that the word complicity usually means active involvement in a crime. The Catholic Church at large can't be said to have taken the lesson of good Samaritans to heart, but I don't think it is fair to imply that they were Nazi co-conspirators.

117 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:21:22pm

Thank you Charles.
It needs to be said.
Hopefully the current Pope will not throw Vatican II under the bus.

118 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:22:06pm
119 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:22:34pm

re: #105 Ojoe

THERE YOU HAVE IT YOU IDIOT.

Obviously you are not aware of the science proving otherwise!

////// not enough sarc tags in my computer

120 pat  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:23:16pm

The Wright Reverend Williamson

121 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:23:33pm
122 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:23:57pm
123 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:24:45pm

re: #119 JCM

Obviously not an experiment representing reality at all


Sheesh.


Yes I'd seen that stuff ...

124 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:24:45pm
125 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:25:01pm

re: #119 JCM

Obviously you are not aware of the science proving otherwise!

////// not enough sarc tags in my computer

Proof enough for 20% of the population. Scary. And I think a lot of them voted. Scarier.

126 onepistoffyid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:25:06pm

re: #16 monkeytime

Most Catholics are not anti semites.

Father Lombardi Denounces Holocaust-Deniers

Could it be that such items as the gradual islamization of Christian Europe, and increasing Catholic official acceptance of Jew hatred portends an eventual merging and subordination of Catholicism into Islam?

127 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:25:19pm

re: #114 Ojoe

I have no patience with "truthers".

Thanks for the cogent response. To bad the maroon will never see it. And even if he did...well he would never see it.

128 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:25:40pm

Bishop Williamson 'dying of cancer', according to reports


[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

129 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:25:44pm

re: #118 ploome hineni

what do you mean?

The entire Christian faith hinges on Jesus death.
No death and resurrection, no salvation, no Christianity.
The death of Jesus was required since Adam and Eve's sin.

It is completely non-sensical to "blame" anyone for Jesus' death since it was the whole plan from the beginning. Anyone who would blame any person or group for Jesus' death missing the point of entire Christian Bible and experience.

130 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:26:00pm

re: #125 VegasRick

Chemtrails. Rainbows near the ground. Black helicopters. Space Aliens.

&c.

131 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:26:10pm

re: #114 Ojoe

I have no patience with "truthers".

Truthers started with a conclusion and then backed up to make it sort of fit their stupid premise.

132 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:26:12pm

re: #123 Ojoe

Obviously not an experiment representing reality at all

Sheesh.

Yes I'd seen that stuff ...

I figured you had, but couldn't resist.

133 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:27:01pm

re: #126 onepistoffyid

Could it be that such items as the gradual islamization of Christian Europe, and increasing Catholic official acceptance of Jew hatred portends an eventual merging and subordination of Catholicism into Islam?

That is pretty much how i see things swinging. Very scary.

134 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:27:16pm
135 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:27:24pm
But that’s not surprising because the order to which he belongs is a virulently antisemitic “traditionalist” group that pines for the good old days when heretics could be tortured and executed, women knew their place, and Jews were Christ-killers.

Williamson fits right in with the "order" as a whole - all the more reason I can't help but be completely puzzled by the reinstatement of the whole group, not just Williamson . . . he has gotten the attention because he has been the mouthpiece.

jill e pointed out in an earlier thread:

However, it is important to point out what this doesn’t do. It doesn’t legitimize the SSPX bishops as normal Catholic bishops in good standing or give them a normal place in the hierarchy. It doesn’t even say that they aren’t sinning by doing what they do. It certainly doesn’t say, “Oh, yeah, we’re good with all of Williamson’s statements, and we agree with him that it’s Catholic doctrine that women shouldn’t wear pants.” (Another Williamson comment.) Heck, no! (Especially since that one pope told the Bulgars that he didn’t care a bit whether or not women wore pants instead of skirts.)

What it does say is, “The door is open, and the ball is in your court. Respond.”

Well, this guy is responding, and it continues to be vile.

136 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:27:26pm

re: #127 Wishing

And there's plenty more to reply to in the quote in Neo-Con's comment No. 70;

But as you point out, why bother?

137 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:28:22pm

re: #131 debutaunt

Truthers started with a conclusion and then backed up to make it sort of fit their stupid premise.

exactly how history itself is rewritten to fit someones agenda...fantasy

138 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:28:27pm

re: #93 Scion9

That makes everyone complicit. Who exactly did condemn the Holocaust before it was in their best interest to do so? Britain didn't go to war to save Jews, and the US didn't go to war until it was in their interest to do so.

It became known what was going on fairly early in the war, in Europe, anyway. The Nazi's were not very secretive about it. There were rumors in the US, related by fleeing refugees who came to the US, but, it was unimaginable to the average American, and was met with disbelief. It was not confirmed here until nearly the end of the war. I know my grandfather, at least said that when US soldiers and other Allies found out what was happening, (he found out in France, after d-day) it became the crux of their personal fight. Everyone who knew this was happening, wether one person, a church or a nation, is absolutely complicit for not trying to stop it immediately. The church had enormous power back then, and was bound by plain decency to do what they could to stop this. Politics aside, genocide or the threat of genocide must never be ignored, it has to be ground out quickly and absolutely, as do those who commit the act. If governments will not do it, then the people should.

139 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:28:31pm
140 screaming_eagle  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:28:54pm

re: #130 Ojoe

Chemtrails. Rainbows near the ground. Black helicopters. Space Aliens.

&c.

I got some special glasses that will let you see the Space Aliens when you wear them.

I might be willing to sell them to you for 100 grand.

141 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:29:26pm
142 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:29:32pm
143 onepistoffyid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:29:33pm

re: #133 Wishing

That is pretty much how i see things swinging. Very scary.

Ah yes and then there was this....

[Link: clericalwhispers.blogspot.com...]

The word Allah is being used in some Catholic sermons, apparently.

I forgot about that.

144 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:29:47pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Robot reassembles itself after being kicked apart

I love the narration.

He's a very excited nerd.......

145 Sheepdogess  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:29:53pm

re: #43 pat

OT. Obama's increasingly bizarre wailing about the poor state of the economy seems to be driving economic indicators increasingly downward. Employers have begun to panic and are not only failing to invest, but are letting go employees at a record rate prior to increases in the unemployment tax and more onerous restrictions. Biden's hints that Washington will not tolerate profits while it rewards constituents with the worst budget amendment in the history of the nation is having an anti-stimulus effect that has destroyed the stock and bonds market. this follows the corrupt Paulson Panic that turned out to be a bailout of his ex-employer and his social peers. Billions stolen from the public coffers for absolutely no good reason. At some point one must wonder if Obama has the remotest idea of what he is doing. Is he panicking because he is an incompetent, or is he being manipulated by Pelosi as Bush was by Paulson,or is this something more devious such as an attempt to destroy America in order to weaken it to a European level? Note that while he increases The National Endowment to the Arts budget by hundreds of times he has decreased the Pentagons budget by 11%


He wants to destroy it. Period. Why you may ask? Who the fuck knows? IMHO, I think he and his cabinet are insane psychpaths.

BTW, any news on the family pet? I heard he was gonna get the girls a dog.
I would be shocked if he got a dog. Unclean, ya know.

146 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:30:09pm

re: #126 onepistoffyid

Could it be that such items as the gradual islamization of Christian Europe, and increasing Catholic official acceptance of Jew hatred portends an eventual merging and subordination of Catholicism into Islam?

Given the current Pope's hardline stance against kowtowing to Muslims I find it unlikely that anything the Pope does has much bearing on the opinions of the Islamic world.

147 onepistoffyid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:31:03pm

re: #142 ploome hineni

thanks for taking the bullet

he said:

113 USCMSNE

and I would appreciate if he told ALL OF US what he means by that!

The Romans killed Christ, for the record.

148 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:31:13pm

re: #130 Ojoe

Chemtrails. Rainbows near the ground. Black helicopters. Space Aliens.

&c.

You forgot to mention the FEMA camps that we are all going to get shipped off to!
/

149 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:31:50pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Robot reassembles itself after being kicked apart

I love the narration.

Killgore, you jhust find the best links! That was great, thanks!

150 bellamags  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:32:14pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Robot reassembles itself after being kicked apart

I love the narration.

That was funny. especially the end. (kinda creepy though)

151 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:32:22pm

re: #148 VegasRick

You forgot to mention the FEMA camps that we are all going to get shipped off to!
/

the local Hilton?

152 rightwinger3  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:32:31pm

re: #129 JCM

The entire Christian faith hinges on Jesus death.
No death and resurrection, no salvation, no Christianity.
The death of Jesus was required since Adam and Eve's sin.

It is completely non-sensical to "blame" anyone for Jesus' death since it was the whole plan from the beginning. Anyone who would blame any person or group for Jesus' death missing the point of entire Christian Bible and experience.

Yes. Exactly.

153 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:32:57pm
154 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:33:21pm

re: #126 onepistoffyid

Could it be that such items as the gradual islamization of Christian Europe, and increasing Catholic official acceptance of Jew hatred portends an eventual merging and subordination of Catholicism into Islam?

I am not aware of ANY (much less "increasing") official acceptance of Jew hatred by the Church. The Vatican strongly and publicly denounced this guy's views.

155 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:33:31pm

re: #139 Sharmuta

Heh.

157 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:34:31pm

re: #138 CapeCoddah

The Wansee Protocols where in State Dept. hands in '42. But buried by Breakenridge Long, as being forgeries. Long also was involved in turning away refugee ships.

158 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:34:32pm

re: #150 bellamags

I didn't think that narrator would be capable of laughter.

159 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:35:04pm

re: #153 Ojoe

Miss America caught in Sasquatch Scandal

Quote: It is unclear how the Sasquatch made it so far into the competition, but she will be safely released back into the Pacific Northwest where she belongs.

If all Sasquatches looked like that, there would be a lot more hiking going on in the NW.

160 bullskin  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:35:14pm

Israel's chief rabbinate severs Vatican ties

JERUSALEM (AP) - Israel's chief rabbinate severed ties with the Vatican on Wednesday to protest a papal decision to reinstate a bishop who publicly denied 6 million Jews were killed during the Holocaus

161 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:35:15pm

re: #149 Wishing

The credit goes to fark or digg, I already forgot where I found it.

162 bellamags  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:35:44pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

I didn't think that narrator would be capable of laughter.

i would have lost it when the other dude kicked it over at the beginning.

163 shiplord kirel  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:36:16pm

re: #153 Ojoe

Miss America caught in Sasquatch Scandal

"The World's Only Reliable News," as their banner declares. I prefer to call them "The Most Trusted Source in Major Media."

164 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:36:16pm

re: #159 EmmmieG

"World's only reliable newspaper."

Period.

165 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:37:12pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Thought you'd get a kick out of that.

166 Render  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:37:14pm

re: #108 Sharmuta

Cool. Had email issues, wasn't sure if anybody was receiving.

===

On the topic...

Wouldn't Holocaust denier "Bishop" Richard Williamson be much happier as an Imam or a Mullah?

Will the POS apologize for or retract this?

[Link: www.sspxseminary.org...]

"Until the Jews re-discover their true Messianic vocation, they may be expected to continue fanatically agitating, in accordance with their false messianic vocation of Jewish world-dominion, to prepare the Anti-Christ's throne in Jerusalem. So we may fear their continuing to play their major part in the agitation of the East and in the corruption of the West. Here the wise Catholic will remember that, again, the ex-Christian nations have only their own Liberalism to blame for allowing free circulation within Christendom to the enemies of Christ."

Until then, fuck him, and anybody that defends him.

NOT
ACCEPTED,
R

167 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:37:44pm

re: #159 EmmmieG

Quote: It is unclear how the Sasquatch made it so far into the competition, but she will be safely released back into the Pacific Northwest where she belongs.

If all Sasquatches looked like that, there would be a lot more hiking going on in the NW.

Shhhh! if word gets out everyone will be hiking.....
They're very friendly too.........
/

168 screaming_eagle  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:37:45pm

re: #163 shiplord kirel

"The World's Only Reliable News," as their banner declares. I prefer to call them "The Most Trusted Source in Major Media."

I'd trust them more than I would NBC

169 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:37:45pm

re: #154 wolfie

I am not aware of ANY (much less "increasing") official acceptance of Jew hatred by the Church. The Vatican strongly and publicly denounced this guy's views.

Their message would have had a lot more bite, Wolfie, if they had left him in the gutter where he belongs. Un-excommunicating him gives he and his beliefs the church's thumbs up. Even if that was not the church's intention. No one has to take responsibility for their actions any more. All they gotta do is say "Im sorry" or "I dont agree" and they get a pass. This is just another kick in the ass for 11 million murder victims, their friends and families, and every decent human being out there. It is insulting.

170 onepistoffyid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:37:46pm

re: #154 wolfie

I am not aware of ANY (much less "increasing") official acceptance of Jew hatred by the Church. The Vatican strongly and publicly denounced this guy's views.

This guy is a Bishop, that is pretty high up....semi-official then. But my point is, do these developments represent a creeping, drip by drip Islamification of the Catholic church....I am hypothesizing, not making a definitive statement here.

171 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:38:20pm

re: #166 Render

Really, they said that?

(deleted)

172 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:38:47pm

re: #157 JCM

The Wansee Protocols where in State Dept. hands in '42. But buried by Breakenridge Long, as being forgeries. Long also was involved in turning away refugee ships.

Yes, I know that, I was referring to the American public in general. Most everyday folk had no clue what was happening.

173 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:38:49pm

MORE SCANDAL AT THE WHITE HOUSE!

Let us go back in time to the nightmare that was the campaign trail. We were forced to hear how awful it was for our heroine, WAB who had to bring home the bacon and fry it up in a pan, all the while juggling the family budget to afford piano and camp, or camp and ballet, the horrors of it all. Working mothers everywhere could relate - sort of.

But now we find that WAB didn't cook at all! They had a flippin' chef at their Chicago homestead! *warning, that goes to the NYT

Do they tell the truth about ANYTHING?

174 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:39:21pm
175 onepistoffyid  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:39:30pm

re: #166 Render

Cool. Had email issues, wasn't sure if anybody was receiving.

===

On the topic...

Wouldn't Holocaust denier "Bishop" Richard Williamson be much happier as an Imam or a Mullah?

Will the POS apologize for or retract this?

[Link: www.sspxseminary.org...]

"Until the Jews re-discover their true Messianic vocation, they may be expected to continue fanatically agitating, in accordance with their false messianic vocation of Jewish world-dominion, to prepare the Anti-Christ's throne in Jerusalem. So we may fear their continuing to play their major part in the agitation of the East and in the corruption of the West. Here the wise Catholic will remember that, again, the ex-Christian nations have only their own Liberalism to blame for allowing free circulation within Christendom to the enemies of Christ."

Until then, fuck him, and anybody that defends him.

NOT
ACCEPTED,
R

This reads like it came from MEMRI.

176 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:40:27pm

re: #173 ArmyWife

No. It's the obama way.

177 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:41:17pm

re: #170 onepistoffyid

This guy is a Bishop, that is pretty high up....semi-official then. But my point is, do these developments represent a creeping, drip by drip Islamification of the Catholic church....I am hypothesizing, not making a definitive statement here.

Speaking as an outsider, I see the Church as being somewhat reflexively defense when problem clergy crop up. Sort of we'll take care if it internal, it's none of you business attitude. This give the appearance, right or wrong, of lack of interest or stonewalling.

178 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:41:19pm

re: #166 Render

Head...going...to...explode...cannot...accept...illogic...

Honestly, I've always let God decide who his enemies are and aren't; it's a bit presumptuous do to otherwise.

179 n in wi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:42:13pm

re: #173 ArmyWife
Yes. Obama once said,"That's above my pay grade."

180 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:42:17pm
181 USCMSNE  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:42:39pm

re: #142 ploome hineni

thanks for taking the bullet

he said:

113 USCMSNE

and I would appreciate if he told ALL OF US what he means by that!

What bullet? Replace the word Jew with Snorkel if you want. The point is we killed Christ because we were the Snorkels... err... Jews. We killed him. Our sins killed him. And, like JCM said when he came in with the assist, that was the plan from the beginning. Blaming the Jews is a bad case of self loathing, only you don't realize your hating yourself.

182 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:42:52pm

re: #172 CapeCoddah

Yes, I know that, I was referring to the American public in general. Most everyday folk had no clue what was happening.

True, how much would attitudes been different if Wansee had been published widely in '42? It wouldn't have sped up the war much, maybe Germany would have dialed back in the public disclosure, maybe not.

183 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:43:18pm
184 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:44:09pm

re: #181 USCMSNE

What bullet? Replace the word Jew with Snorkel if you want. The point is we killed Christ because we were the Snorkels... err... Jews. We killed him. Our sins killed him. And, like JCM said when he came in with the assist, that was the plan from the beginning. Blaming the Jews is a bad case of self loathing, only you don't realize your hating yourself.


Flamewar in 5...4....3....

185 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:44:23pm

re: #173 ArmyWife

"Mr. Kass’s appointment should please chefs like Alice Waters, who have lobbied the Obamas to set an example for the rest of the country by emphasizing food that is healthy, local and sustainable. It further suggests that a vegetable garden on the White House grounds, another of Ms. Waters’s dreams, could be on the horizon."

Maybe planting the Mall in spinach would be cheaper than having it re-sodded.

186 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:45:14pm

re: #169 CapeCoddah

Their message would have had a lot more bite, Wolfie, if they had left him in the gutter where he belongs. Un-excommunicating him gives he and his beliefs the church's thumbs up. Even if that was not the church's intention. No one has to take responsibility for their actions any more. All they gotta do is say "Im sorry" or "I dont agree" and they get a pass. This is just another kick in the ass for 11 million murder victims, their friends and families, and every decent human being out there. It is insulting.

I'm gonna ask again, why he isn't defrocked.

187 mikalm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:45:16pm

The MikalM position on Catholic Traditionalism:

Latin Mass -- si!
Anti-Semitism -- no!

188 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:45:36pm

re: #182 JCM

True, how much would attitudes been different if Wansee had been published widely in '42? It wouldn't have sped up the war much, maybe Germany would have dialed back in the public disclosure, maybe not.

God only knows what would have happened, but, I do believe that had the American public been informed, it WOULD have been stopped sooner. America was no one to screw with...back then.

189 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:45:51pm

re: #185 jaunte

190 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:45:52pm
In an introductory comment for readers of his blog, Williamson suggested that critics had exploited his remarks merely to attack Benedict. “Last week’s media uproar” was “surely aimed rather at the Holy Father than at a relatively insignificant bishop,” he wrote.

He seems to think he's still a bishop.

So is he? Or isn't he? I thought the Vatican had made it clear that he had no clerical standing in the church and that his "reinstatement" consisted solely of his ability to take the sacraments. I've tried to understand this position. But if he's being recognized in any way as a cleric, then forget it. And if he's still claiming the clerical status his apostate cult bestowed on him, then where's the contrition?

Can someone 'splain this to me please?

191 screaming_eagle  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:45:52pm

re: #185 jaunte

Maybe planting the Mall in spinach would be cheaper than having it re-sodded.


LMAO

192 Syrah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:45:57pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Robot reassembles itself after being kicked apart

I love the narration.

That is a really cool idea for robotics.

Once they are made to be able to work in a dirty environment, then they could be sent anywhere as exploratory robots. The rovers would be just so much junk by comparison.

193 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:46:04pm
194 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:46:40pm

re: #185 jaunte

Maybe planting the Mall in spinach would be cheaper than having it re-sodded.

Do unicorns like spinach?

/take2

/like it was worth trying twice

195 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:46:51pm

re: #186 itellu3times

I'm gonna ask again, why he isn't defrocked.

Apparently, only God and the Pope know why. I sure don't.

196 Haverwilde  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:46:51pm

re: #147 onepistoffyid

The Romans killed Christ, for the record.

Boy, now you have gone and done it.
Blaming those Italians (who are all Catholics) for murdering Jesus.
'Jeez' who would of thought European Anti-Semitism went back that far.

//

197 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:47:12pm

One reason he is doing this is to nail moderate liberals to the extremist agenda, by making previously accepted causes like art part of the plundering he is able to tell them "Look if the Republicans ever get back in you go down the drain with me"

198 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:47:17pm

re: #185 jaunte

Excellent plan. If I wasn't banned from the Obama website, I might have suggested that to them myself.

Honestly, I don't care who cooked or cleaned for the Obamas. It's that she made such a big deal on how exhausting it was to be a working mom. It IS exhausting! But not so much when you have a chef...

199 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:47:45pm

re: #194 itellu3times

Reminds me of this:
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200 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:47:57pm

re: #138 CapeCoddah

We perhaps didn't know about the exact methodology used in committing genocide (and I'm even skeptical about that) but we knew what was going on in Germany in regards to Kristalnacht and everything that led up to, as well as the roughly two millions Jews killed outside of camps in summary executions. If the Catholic Church is complicit so too is every Allied nation.

Not believing the truth about the extent of the atrocities is an equally convenient excuse for the Pope as it is for the US. He didn't take tours of the concentration camps, and had basically the same second hand accounts from refugees that were relayed by his clergy in Poland and Germany.

Regardless, you still stretch the definition here. Either the Catholic Church was an active agent in the planning or execution of the Holocaust or it wasn't. Not using all of its clout isn't praisable, but neither can it be called complicity, because its not, because that isn't what the word actually means.

For example, right now we are all probably guilty of the hereditary slavery of African women in Nigeria because we are not pursuing their emancipation with the full extent of all of our resources and energy. We are also collectively complicit in the Sudanese genocide of the Darfuri, as I'm assuming you have not sqaundered your livlihood and risked your very life in aiding them. I know I haven't. By the definition of complicity applied to the Catholics in WWII we are complicit in these crimes today. We are complicit in all of the world's injustices by way of not being active agents in their end. We are all collectively guilty for all of them.

I suppose if we are all pretty much guilty of everything, then it actually is fair to claim the Catholic Church was complicit in the Holocaust. However I have a feeling that it is going to be a double standard in that blame is levied at Catholics for the Nazis crimes, while absolving ourselves for the continuing suffering of the victims of misgoverned Communist States that we aren't doing anything about.

201 screaming_eagle  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:48:07pm

re: #185 jaunte

Maybe planting the Mall in spinach would be cheaper than having it re-sodded.

After thinking about it, I think that needs set in stone at the base of the Capitol.

202 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:48:32pm

In case this hasn't been posted, yet, a resource sheet for rebutting this bishop.

203 eon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:49:01pm

re: #177 JCM

Speaking as an outsider, I see the Church as being somewhat reflexively defense when problem clergy crop up. Sort of we'll take care if it internal, it's none of you business attitude. This give the appearance, right or wrong, of lack of interest or stonewalling.

My guess is, in the end, His Holiness is probably going to have to give this nutball a choice- a public recantation or excommunication again. At the very least, he'll end up stripped of rank and ejected from the priesthood, if he hasn't been already.

Of course, then, there could very well be a quiet little "study" done within the Church's hierarchy to determine just how many members of same agree with this idiot. And it would most likely be carried out by the Society of Jesus- the Jesuits. In an organizational sense, things could get ugly.

/Not Catholic, just aware of how the Church has handled previous such situations- usually referred to as "heresies".

cheers

eon

204 Stonemason  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:49:08pm

re: #180 taxfreekiller

I resemble that statement

205 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:49:08pm

re: #173 ArmyWife

MORE SCANDAL AT THE WHITE HOUSE!

Let us go back in time to the nightmare that was the campaign trail. We were forced to hear how awful it was for our heroine, WAB who had to bring home the bacon and fry it up in a pan, all the while juggling the family budget to afford piano and camp, or camp and ballet, the horrors of it all. Working mothers everywhere could relate - sort of.

But now we find that WAB didn't cook at all! They had a flippin' chef at their Chicago homestead! *warning, that goes to the NYT

Do they tell the truth about ANYTHING?

No.

206 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:49:11pm

The Onion Are We Giving Robots Too Much Power

207 esch  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:49:27pm

re: #177 JCM

Speaking as an outsider, I see the Church as being somewhat reflexively defense when problem clergy crop up. Sort of we'll take care if it internal, it's none of you business attitude. This give the appearance, right or wrong, of lack of interest or stonewalling.

That's more than just the Catholic Church, you know. It's all over. And it's a large reason why I left the entire Judeo-Christian tradition long ago.

208 MJ  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:49:35pm

re: #88 Pianobuff

And now AP is just reporting in the last few minutes that a synagogue has been attacked in Venezuela.

This is not surprising. There's a pogrom going on in Venezuela these last few weeks:

A campaign of anti-Semitism threatening Venezuela’s Jewish community has prompted an immediate protest from the Simon Wiesenthal Center to the Organization of American States.

“Since the events in Gaza … the government has adopted an aggressive and dangerous tone never previously heard clearly inciting against the Jewish Community …. government's supporters picked up on the government's lead with clearly anti-Semitic expressions – with no effort whatsoever by government to stop them. The expulsion of the Israeli Ambassador followed, and subsequently, a final breaking off of diplomatic relations,” alerted the Jewish Macabi Latin America Confederation.

“There is a well-orchestrated campaign on TV, radio, print and Internet media owned by the government, openly questioning Israelis right to exist, even including publication of such anti-Semitic materials as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. A group of pro-government journalists is urging the population to boycott of businesses owned by Jews in Venezuela,” they added.

Most frightening was a 'plan of action' published in a pro-government digital newspaper, Aporrea.org, giving direction against Venezuela’s Jewish community which included:

- publicly denouncing by name, the members of powerful Jewish groups in Venezuela, names of their companies and businesses in order to boycott them

- avoiding products, stores, supermarkets, restaurants, and where Kosher food is sold which either belongs or has links with 'Zionist Jews'

- questioning the existence of Jewish educational institutions

- shouting pro-Palestine and anti-Israel slogans at Jews on the street

- inviting anti-Zionist Jews living in Venezuela to publicly express their disassociation from 'Zionist war crimes' and the imposition of artificial State of Israel on Palestine

- nationalization of companies, confiscation of properties of those Jews who support the Zionist atrocities of the Nazi-State of Israel, and donate this property to the Palestinian victims of today’s Holocaust

- sending all type of aid to Palestinians including weapons

- hacking pro-Zionist websites including governments or institutions that have relations with Israel

- organizing an international conference about the creation of the theocratic - Nazi state of Israel as a genocidal European colony, and about the myths and facts of the alleged Jewish Holocaust or Holohoax (a blackmailing industry)

- support the dissolution of the artificial State of Israel

A letter from Wiesenthal Center dean and founder Rabbi Marvin Hier to the Organization of American States (OAS) read in part, “Under the presidency of Hugo Chavez, the Jewish community of Venezuela has suffered repeated attacks, which were, at least tolerated, if not incited or promoted by State officials …. We believe it is time for the OAS to take action on this outrageous situation which makes a mockery of democratic and civil liberties and guarantees. We urge you to establish an OAS special field mission … to immediately investigate the situation … and recommend punitive action against all those who are responsible for this campaign of hatred against the Jewish people.”

The Simon Wiesenthal Center holds official consultative status with the OAS.

209 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:50:06pm

re: #69 pat

Oh, that wasn't met as a personal statement re your opinions, just a reflection of a new academic attack on the Catholic church. And as for the nutty priest in question, he converted once, maybe he can join the Arayan Brotherhood next.

The Aryan Brotherhood is a prison gang. Now that's an idea.

210 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:50:18pm

re: #181 USCMSNE

re: #183 ploome hineni

Killed is to harsh a word. Scriptually our actions from Adam and Eve onward required a blood sacrifice to fulfill the law and restore the fellowship between man and God. God arranged for that sacrifice to be offered in his Son. It was voluntary on the part of God.

211 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:50:37pm

re: #178 EmmmieG

Head...going...to...explode...cannot...accept...il logic...

Honestly, I've always let God decide who his enemies are and aren't; it's a bit presumptuous do to otherwise.


You can't punch Him in the nose. The best you can do is punch His people in the nose. Ergo, anti-semitism.

212 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:50:55pm

re: #208 MJ

Thanks for the info.

213 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:51:05pm

re: #170 onepistoffyid

This guy is a Bishop, that is pretty high up....semi-official then. But my point is, do these developments represent a creeping, drip by drip Islamification of the Catholic church....I am hypothesizing, not making a definitive statement here.

He was never consecrated a bishop by the Roman Catholic Church and has never been a bishop of the Church. He was consecrated by a renegade group, and for that he was excommunicated.

214 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:51:06pm
215 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:51:50pm

re: #207 esch

That's more than just the Catholic Church, you know. It's all over. And it's a large reason why I left the entire Judeo-Christian tradition long ago.

Very true of any organization, the first response is almost always defensive in nature.

216 odorlesspaintthinner  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:51:53pm

Hello, all! First time poster, long time reader. I did a little digging into LGF history, and it seems there was a lot of cheerleading for the HF back in 9/06: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
A little less this time it seems. I wanted to add this: Holocaust denial is no doubt despicable, and this bishop is a jackass. Benny16 is clear that the Jewish people are not culpable for the death of JC. This whole affair is not in his best interest at all, yet he did it, and the reason is it's an internal RCC affair. It isn't directed at the Jews. We can't get offended by everything that everyone does that we don't agree with, leave that to the Mussulmans. If you get a chance, read some of this Pope's writings, he is very smart, he doesn't do things half-assed.

217 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:52:12pm

re: #203 eon

My guess is, in the end, His Holiness is probably going to have to give this nutball a choice- a public recantation or excommunication again. At the very least, he'll end up stripped of rank and ejected from the priesthood, if he hasn't been already.

Not a chance of this happening.

218 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:52:26pm
219 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:52:32pm
220 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:52:37pm

re: #213 wolfie

He was never consecrated a bishop by the Roman Catholic Church and has never been a bishop of the Church. He was consecrated by a renegade group, and for that he was excommunicated.

So why is he still calling himself a bishop?

In an introductory comment for readers of his blog, Williamson suggested that critics had exploited his remarks merely to attack Benedict. “Last week’s media uproar” was “surely aimed rather at the Holy Father than at a relatively insignificant bishop,” he wrote.

Not arguing. Trying to get the facts and understand this ... somehow.

221 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:52:38pm

re: #199 jaunte

I love the classics.

222 bellamags  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:52:59pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

The Onion Are We Giving Robots Too Much Power

replace the word robot with democrat

223 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:53:28pm
224 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:53:54pm

re: #216 odorlesspaintthinner

Hello, all! First time poster, long time reader. I did a little digging into LGF history, and it seems there was a lot of cheerleading for the HF back in 9/06: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
A little less this time it seems. I wanted to add this: Holocaust denial is no doubt despicable, and this bishop is a jackass. Benny16 is clear that the Jewish people are not culpable for the death of JC. This whole affair is not in his best interest at all, yet he did it, and the reason is it's an internal RCC affair. It isn't directed at the Jews. We can't get offended by everything that everyone does that we don't agree with, leave that to the Mussulmans. If you get a chance, read some of this Pope's writings, he is very smart, he doesn't do things half-assed.

Greetings and welcome.

But I think you're missing the point.

225 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:54:07pm
226 Render  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:54:42pm

re: #138 CapeCoddah

Samantha Powers thinks that the whole world was aware of the Holocaust and that it received more media coverage during WW2 then Darfur has currently.

That lie forms the basis of her entire academic career.

===

Jews did not kill Jesus, who didn't really die in the first place, did he?

The Romans didn't kill him either.

The guys name was Pontus Pilate, not Pontus Goldstein. The Roman soldiers who conducted the failed execution were under his command.

Those Roman soldiers did not, nor would they ever, have followed the orders of a Jewish Rabbi, group of Rabbi's, or a mob of random citizens from the occupied city of Jerusalem.

CSI
JERUSALEM,
R

227 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:54:48pm

re: #214 ploome hineni

whats to rebutt?

he is INSane.......he needs medication and an institution

He needs to have the shit beaten out of him.

228 bellamags  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:54:49pm

re: #225 ploome hineni

this thread is hilarius

LOL

229 esch  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:54:53pm

re: #223 ploome hineni

so now you are a wiggan?

Nah. Tried it but got little out of it. Pretentious fools there too.

230 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:54:54pm

re: #213 wolfie

He was never consecrated a bishop by the Roman Catholic Church and has never been a bishop of the Church. He was consecrated by a renegade group, and for that he was excommunicated.

Aha. So the pope can't defrock him, or so he might argue.

Hey Bennie, watch your back from this guy.

231 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:54:58pm

What happened? I feel like I just got sucked into a wormhole.

232 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:55:52pm

re: #102 Sharmuta

Look at your dings on #17.

... compensated

233 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:56:10pm

re: #170 onepistoffyid

I do agree that the Catholic Church in Europe has been extraordinarily soft on Islam, BTW.
Consider, as just one example, the churches acting as sanctuaries for illegal Muslim immigrants, where all Christian symbols are thrown out or desecrated and the place is turned into a mosque. There ought to be LOUD outrage about this sort of thing.

234 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:57:19pm

re: #218 ploome hineni

that is your understanding

do not include me in this construct

I cannot begin to describe your ideas

please

Takes why I included the word "scriptually" who is physically responsible, and the faith based view of those events are two very different things.

I merely hope to enlighten, and demonstrate the Bishops theological misaimings.

235 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:57:32pm

re: #200 Scion9

We are talking about 11 million human beings who were slaughtered, methodically and systematically. Any entity that knew, and did not act, is complicit. It is exactly the right word. A really bad comparison would be if friends of mine were planning to rob a bank, and made those plans over dinner at my house, with me having no involvement in the crime itself, then pulled off that robbery, I would be just as guilty for letting it happen, an "Accomplice/complicit" did I not report what I knew to prevent the crime.

236 eon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:57:32pm

re: #208 MJ

Proving that in a Marxist state (which under Chavez' regime', Venezuela is in all but name) there is no such thing as a "spontaneous grass-roots movement" when the target is someone said regime' doesn't like.

I wonder how many Berkeley types are already planning to spend Spring Break in Caracas' to "show solidarity" with Hamas', etc.

/Unlike Gaza, they have beer in Caracas'.

cheers

eon

237 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:57:47pm

Let's see if I have this straight. Jews are not allowed to defend themselves when attacked, are referred to as pigs and apes without any negative reaction from world leaders and some insane Catholic bishop is permitted to do an Ernst Zundel and deny the holocaust ever occurred.

/sounds about right, carry on

238 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:57:48pm

re: #224 Lynn B.

Greetings and welcome.

But I think you're missing the point.

Who is HF please?

239 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:58:42pm

re: #232 Lynn B.

That was nice of you- I got it at #18.

240 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:58:46pm

re: #177 JCM

This is especially true in the US, where there is a long history of virulent anti-Catholicism.

241 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:58:53pm
242 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:59:02pm

re: #238 Wishing

Holy Father.

243 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:59:30pm

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

What a moron.

And he's got a blog, no less.

He's blogging for a flogging.

244 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:59:35pm
245 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 4:59:59pm

re: #239 Sharmuta

That was nice of you- I got it at #18.

Sorry. I'd already dinged that one up on its own merits.

246 Haverwilde  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:00:30pm

re: #244 ploome hineni

:D

waste of time

Yup, there wouldn't be anything left.

247 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:00:45pm
248 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:00:46pm

re: #245 Lynn B.

Sorry. I'd already dinged that one up on its own merits.

I saw, and I thank you for that. The pettiness would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

249 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:01:32pm

Bacon is 'danger' for kids

YOUNGSTERS who eat bacon or ham twice a week increase their chances of getting leukaemia by 74 per cent.

Medics warned eating sausages and hot dogs as regularly brought about a similar health risk

/sure glad bacon was okay when I was a kid.

250 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:01:39pm

re: #242 Sharmuta

Holy Father.

oh

251 esch  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:02:18pm

re: #247 ploome hineni

are you going to bash Catholics again?

/lol

Doesn't EVERYONE get bashed on here?

/

252 MJ  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:02:43pm

THE NEW ANTI-SEMITISM
Using the Holocaust to Attack the Jews


[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

253 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:02:48pm
254 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:02:59pm

re: #248 Sharmuta

I haven't had a ding stalker in quite a while. I know how annoying it can be.

255 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:03:00pm

Evening all. What sort of cross fire am I walking into?

256 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:03:08pm

re: #237 So?

Let's see if I have this straight. Jews are not allowed to defend themselves when attacked, are referred to as pigs and apes without any negative reaction from world leaders and some insane Catholic bishop is permitted to do an Ernst Zundel and deny the holocaust ever occurred.

/sounds about right, carry on

Oh! And I forgot to mention: We've come a long way baby!

257 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:03:15pm

re: #240 wolfie

This is especially true in the US, where there is a long history of virulent anti-Catholicism.

I understand the reaction, it's when it occurs it usually only serves to make matters worse.

As others mentioned it's not just the Church it's a common reaction.

258 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:03:39pm

Totally OT, but I got my first paycheck yesterday. Feels good!
I love retirement, but I really enjoy being back in the trenches.

259 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:03:52pm

re: #253 ploome hineni

my undergraduate degree is in Catholicism Art History

believe me.I know about the Christilogy and Theology of the Church

The we can talk about the Turtle Stack!

260 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:04:13pm
261 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:04:48pm

re: #255 Bubblehead II

Evening all. What sort of cross fire am I walking into?

Things were going ok for the most part, now it's starting to getting a little epileptic.

262 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:05:12pm

re: #252 MJ

THE NEW ANTI-SEMITISM
Using the Holocaust to Attack the Jews

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Maybe we should pick a date and throw a "Bash" bash. Formal attire optional (and a fair target).

263 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:05:29pm

re: #261 Pianobuff

Duck and Cover time?

264 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:06:10pm

re: #263 Bubblehead II

Not so much as get out your index finger and prepare to scratch your head.

265 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:06:20pm

I have not much use for the RCC, but I sure will be cheering on the Cardinals tomorrow.
Anyone who beats the zero's team is good with me.

266 Racer X  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:06:36pm

The deniers are mad because they do not want anyone to have sympathy for the Jews. This is why they downplay the number of dead, or how they died. Does it really matter whether the number is 3 million or 6 million? Does it matter whether they were gassed or shot or starved? No.

What matters is that one ethnic group, a religious group, was targeted for genocide. Period. This genocide was carried out by evil people, and was only stopped by the heroic actions of others.

For anyone to downplay the number who died, or dispute how they died, is absolutely SICK. And for anyone to claim that now, they too are victims of a "new" holocaust is disgusting. There is only one holocaust.

267 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:06:45pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

I have two! The other is a pamela fan.

268 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:09:20pm

re: #235 CapeCoddah

We are talking about 11 million human beings who were slaughtered, methodically and systematically.

Oh, you were talking about that Holocuast? I thought you meant some other Holocaust that happened during WWII conducted by the Nazis. Well in that case...


A really bad comparison would be if friends of mine were planning to rob a bank, and made those plans over dinner at my house, with me having no involvement in the crime itself, then pulled off that robbery, I would be just as guilty for letting it happen, an "Accomplice/complicit" did I not report what I knew to prevent the crime.

That is a really bad comparison, since Hitler and the Nazis were not 'friends' with the Catholic Church, nor did the Nazis plan the Holocaust in the Churches 'house'. The Church knew about the Holocaust the same way everyone else did.

269 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:09:57pm

re: #264 Pianobuff

Yep, these particular threads tend to get a bit heated. Just put your bag of popcorn by the monitor and watch it pop.

Lurk mode is now on

270 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:10:02pm

re: #262 USBeast

Maybe we should pick a date and throw a "Bash" bash. Formal attire optional (and a fair target).

Oops, thought I was quoting esch and quoted MJ by mistake.

271 JCM  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:12:06pm

re: #268 Scion9

That is a really bad comparison, since Hitler and the Nazis were not 'friends' with the Catholic Church, nor did the Nazis plan the Holocaust in the Churches 'house'. The Church knew about the Holocaust the same way everyone else did.

If the Fwench had shown some back bone in '36 over the Rhineland, the German Generals would have offed Adolf and the whole argument would be moot.

272 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:12:46pm

re: #271 JCM

If the Fwench had shown some back bone in '36 over the Rhineland, the German Generals would have offed Adolf and the whole argument would be moot.

That's it. Blame the French!

273 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:12:59pm

re: #269 Bubblehead II

Yep, these particular threads tend to get a bit heated. Just put your bag of popcorn by the monitor and watch it pop.

Lurk mode is now on

wait'll someone disses Ethel Merman....then I'll fly into the fray

274 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:14:33pm

re: #258 Wishing

Totally OT, but I got my first paycheck yesterday. Feels good!
I love retirement, but I really enjoy being back in the trenches.

Congrats!

275 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:14:47pm

re: #273 albusteve

wait'll someone disses Ethel Merman....then I'll fly into the fray

I'm on guard for any off-color Sergei Rachmaninoff comments myself.

276 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:14:50pm

What I don't get is the big picture issue. Had Judas not turned him in, or the Jews condemned him. it would have screwed up God's whole plan. The purported lost Gospel of Judas talks about that very thing.

277 eon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:15:02pm

re: #273 albusteve

wait'll someone disses Ethel Merman....then I'll fly into the fray

If someone disses Jane Russell, I may go boom.

/Ditto Jeri Ryan.

cheers

eon

278 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:15:17pm

re: #219 taxfreekiller

"Its a water planet".

We are free because we have bad ass men in ships at sea, without bad ass Navy Chiefs willing to face off any mad mulla, any mad Kamikaze, any mad Nazi, any crazy Ivan sub maneuver, any time any where. I knew a few Navy Chiefs and they are a bad ass bunch of real deal fist fighting sob's, any time any where American heroes. Navy Chiefs are the back bone of the U.S. Navy and are the first line out there at sea and they are the ones who require every dam sailor on the ship have the discipline to man the ship and be ready to give their lives for the U.S.A. , the Constitution and , the American people. Navy Chiefs are not half ass do-gooders, they are ready to fight any one any where on a moments notice.

like that are real, Navy Chiefs

Updinged and generally agree but I did have one lousy Chief who was a drunk, he had made E-4 in A school then made E-6 in C school and made Chief in Shore Duty, in a technical rating, it happens, hurt my shot at a career.

279 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:15:35pm

re: #169 CapeCoddah

Their message would have had a lot more bite, Wolfie, if they had left him in the gutter where he belongs. Un-excommunicating him gives he and his beliefs the church's thumbs up. Even if that was not the church's intention. No one has to take responsibility for their actions any more. All they gotta do is say "Im sorry" or "I dont agree" and they get a pass. This is just another kick in the ass for 11 million murder victims, their friends and families, and every decent human being out there. It is insulting.

It does NOT give him and his beliefs thumbs up at all.

Excommunication is rarely used by the Church. It does not mean what you think it means. If everyone who said or did anything sinful were excommunicated, there would be no Church at all.

Excommunication kicks you out of the Church entirely. The door is shut. The only thing lifting the ban does is open the door to come back under terms of surrender.

Take the example of all the politicians who promote, say, partial-birth abortion. If they are known to the priest, he should not give them Communion until they have received the sacrament of reconciliation (confession/penance.) But if they were excommunicated, they would not have access to that. The fact that the Church does not excommunicate these people is NOT because they approve of their stance on abortion. It's because they are not willing to shut the door entirely on the possibility of sacramental repentance. All they can do short of that is to urge priests not to give them Communion if they continue in their ways.

The fact that Nacy Pelosi has not been excommunicated does not mean that the Church tolerates partial-birth abortion. The fact that they lifted the ban of excommunication on the renegade priests does not mean they tolerate any of their mischief, much less Williamson's idiocy.

280 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:15:58pm

re: #274 VegasRick

Congrats!

Thanks, VR. We took a hit with this financial mess and having some income is nice.
It isn't much, of course, but I am thrilled.

281 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:16:24pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

Bacon is 'danger' for kids

/sure glad bacon was okay when I was a kid.

They're talking processed ham with nitrates, and also presuming the nitrates in bacon.

Otherwise, I was going to ask what's next, shrimp?

282 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:16:50pm

re: #128 Dustyvet

Bishop Williamson 'dying of cancer', according to reports

[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]

From your link (which obnoxiously won't allow you in without accepting a cookie but the cached version will do):

Rumours have surfaced that Bishop Williamson, the SSPX bishop whose Holocaust denial has caused such horror, is seriously ill with cancer. Father Z passes on a report in La Repubblica that the bishop - whose excommunication was lifted at the weekend - "has a tumour and is dying".

Similar reports have reached me, but I haven't wanted to print them without some sort of confirmation. Apparently Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos has asked for prayers for Williamson, whose recent statements - outrageous even by his standards - may be attributable, in part, to his illness.

Attributable how? And what's Abrahamowicz's excuse?

283 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:17:01pm

re: #277 eon

If someone disses Jane Russell, I may go boom.

/Ditto Jeri Ryan.

cheers

eon

you gotta take a stand sooner or later...

284 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:17:28pm

re: #271 JCM

If the Fwench had shown some back bone in '36 over the Rhineland, the German Generals would have offed Adolf and the whole argument would be moot.

I'm not sure the entire Nazi phenomena can be hung on Hitler's shoulders alone. His rise was a display in Machiavelian, diabolical genius, but he still did only play off of and tap into currents running through German society at the time. I think war was probably inevitable, and one that happened a decade later probably only would have been advantageous to Germany.

285 TheOtherCanadian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:18:19pm

He should be defrocked. Headmaster is more his speed. "Go Home! Do it again!"

286 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:18:30pm

re: #276 avanti

What I don't get is the big picture issue. Had Judas not turned him in, or the Jews condemned him. it would have screwed up God's whole plan. The purported lost Gospel of Judas talks about that very thing.

God's a very good planner....
;-)

287 eon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:18:40pm

re: #281 itellu3times

They're talking processed ham with nitrates, and also presuming the nitrates in bacon.

Otherwise, I was going to ask what's next, shrimp?

I have a love/hate relationship with shrimp. They're tasty, but they're so, well, shrimpy. And you can really only eat about 2/3rds of each one.

/They're like tiny little chicken legs.

cheers

eon

288 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:19:10pm

OT....

Charles do all the hamsters have alibis?

289 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:19:17pm
290 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:19:52pm

re: #287 eon

I have a love/hate relationship with shrimp. They're tasty, but they're so, well, shrimpy. And you can really only eat about 2/3rds of each one.

/They're like tiny little chicken legs.

cheers

eon

prawns on the grill...problem solved...man up

291 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:19:56pm

re: #277 eon

If someone disses Jane Russell, I may go boom.

/Ditto Jeri Ryan.

cheers

eon

So I can't say the The Fuzzy Pink Nightgown was an awful movie?

292 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:20:43pm

re: #287 eon

I have a love/hate relationship with shrimp. They're tasty, but they're so, well, shrimpy. And you can really only eat about 2/3rds of each one.

/They're like tiny little chicken legs.
cheers

eon

You are not dissing Ethel Merman are you?

293 n in wi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:21:13pm

re: #289 taxfreekiller

ps

It was an "Intel" Navy Chief, who dug in the Texas Tech Vietnam archives and found the full records of Lt. for life John F. Kerry's swift boat logs, communications, detailed reports of actions, to include the commanders official records of every time Lt. Kerry's swift boat moved.

That included the logs he found of the Hap River deal,
Kerry claimed a big ass shoot out, auto fire from port, auto fire from stern, auto fire from starboard, VC here, VC there incoming......

only one communication from all five swift boats that day....

"We need a tow boat, one craft hit a under water mine at a weir."!

A Navy Chief, nailed the no good liar Kerry to his life long liars cross.

Like that are Navy Chiefs.


John Kerry was in Viet Nam? Who knew.

294 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:21:16pm

re: #287 eon

I have a love/hate relationship with shrimp. They're tasty, but they're so, well, shrimpy. And you can really only eat about 2/3rds of each one.

/They're like tiny little chicken legs.

cheers

eon

I always thought chicken wings were like tiny little chicken legs.

295 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:21:46pm

re: #292 VegasRick

You are not dissing Ethel Merman are you?

what?...did I miss something?

296 eon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:23:36pm

re: #291 Pianobuff

So I can't say the The Fuzzy Pink Nightgown was an awful movie?

No problem. The lady herself once called that one a turkey.

/While observing that about a third of her films were in the same general category.

cheers

eon

297 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:23:59pm

re: #293 n in wi

John Kerry was in Viet Nam? Who knew.

It was a layover, the place turned out to be shockingly short of wealthy widows so he got out.

298 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:24:23pm

re: #289 taxfreekiller

All we need now is the 214 and review board files.

299 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:25:20pm
300 n in wi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:25:37pm

re: #297 lifeofthemind

It was a layover, the place turned out to be shockingly short of wealthy widows so he got out.

Before Nixon sent him to Cambodia?

301 eon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:25:41pm

re: #292 VegasRick

You are not dissing Ethel Merman are you?

No. Way. Nobody could sing "God Bless America" like her.

/Loved her on What's My Line when I was a kid, too.

/How did we get off on this tangent, anyway?

cheers

eon

302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:26:33pm

re: #301 eon

No. Way. Nobody could sing "God Bless America" like her.

/Loved her on What's My Line when I was a kid, too.

/How did we get off on this tangent, anyway?

cheers

eon

You thinking Kate Smith (God Bless America)?

303 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:26:39pm

OT, but there are a couple of spin-off links regard FEMA's reponse (or lack thereof) to the ice-storm that's paralyzed Kentucky and parts of MO, IL, and AR. I just realized why FEMA is MIA: they can't find Kentucky! From NewsBusters, May 19, 2008...

Obama conceded that he has a steep challenge to get his message and background to voters in states such as Kentucky — where he trails Sen. Hillary Clinton by 27 points, according to a poll published earlier this week — and West Virginia, where voters chose Clinton over Obama by 40 points on Tuesday.

"What it says is that I'm not very well known in that part of the country," Obama said. "Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it's not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle."

There's plenty damage in Arkansas...maybe they'll get some help, including aid meant for Kentucky.

304 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:26:55pm

re: #301 eon

No. Way. Nobody could sing "God Bless America" like her.

/Loved her on What's My Line when I was a kid, too.

/How did we get off on this tangent, anyway?

cheers

eon

Nothing but respect for someone whom George Gershwin warned never to take singing lessons.

305 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:26:57pm

OT:

Jerusalem Post: Israeli Apartheid Week 2009 may be coming to a campus near you

/Isn't just about every week "Israeli Apartheid Week" at a campus near ... everyone?

306 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:27:53pm

re: #301 eon

No. Way. Nobody could sing "God Bless America" like her.

/Loved her on What's My Line when I was a kid, too.

/How did we get off on this tangent, anyway?

cheers

eon

you called Ethel Merman a tangent....therefore Jane Russel is a mere afterthought...

307 eon  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:28:51pm

re: #302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You thinking Kate Smith (God Bless America)?

You right. Brain Fart.

Ok, that's it. I'm having trouble keeping my eyes open and I'm confusing my actresses.

Time for bed.

Good night, Lizards.

And thanks.

cheers

eon

308 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:29:22pm

re: #305 Lynn B.

OT:

Jerusalem Post: Israeli Apartheid Week 2009 may be coming to a campus near you

/Isn't just about every week "Israeli Apartheid Week" at a campus near ... everyone?

Would it be wrong of me to wish a Qassam lands on their little party?

309 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:30:26pm
310 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:30:28pm

It's called Niwdog's law and it's the rule that every discussion that starts out referencing Hitler ends up comparing someone to Ethel Merman.

311 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:30:29pm

re: #187 mikalm

The MikalM position on Catholic Traditionalism:

Latin Mass -- si!
Anti-Semitism -- no!

You bet! :)

312 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:30:38pm

Since Buzzsaw takes the weekends off, here is a poor substitute (with many apologies to Buzzsaw and John Travolta and the producers of Grease)


Priest Frightening (sung to Greased Lightning)

Why this guy is dogmatic
anti semitic
not apologetic
Who could it be but Priest Frightening!

He's got a theee-o-lo-gee that would make old Torquemada smile
Oh yeah
But he's a hip modern guy whose got Mel Gibson on his speed dial
Oh yeah

Oh that gleam in his eye means that "the Jew must die"
He says the Jews are to blame and they'll perish in flame
He's Priest Frightening!
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

Oh Priest Frightening you're tearing up Vatican two
Oh Priest Frightening you're really set on blaming the Jew
You are a pain in the spleen
You make me want to scream
Priest Frightening!

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

313 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:30:47pm

re: #308 jcm

Would it be wrong of me to wish a Qassam lands on their little party?

of course you are..I hope so too

314 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:31:22pm

The Jews have eaten 6 million chickens.
At least.

315 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:31:22pm
316 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:32:11pm

re: #306 albusteve

you called Ethel Merman a tangent....therefore Jane Russel is a mere afterthought...

Some of the women in my life that I would fight to the death for: Wife, Mom, Sisters, Damsels in distress, Anna Kournikova. Not necessarily in that order.

317 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:32:36pm
318 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:32:57pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

Bacon is 'danger' for kids

/sure glad bacon was okay when I was a kid.

See, there is an advantage in keeping kosher.

319 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:33:06pm
320 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:33:14pm

re: #308 jcm

Would it be wrong of me to wish a Qassam lands on their little party?

LOL!

PartIES. 27 cities internationally. It's a disgrace. So, I'll join your wish and raise you a few dozen.

Did you check out the poster of the little tyke with the "peace scarf" around his neck about to be blown to bits by the evil Israeli missile.

321 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:33:15pm

re: #314 Spare O'Lake

The Jews have eaten 6 million chickens.
At least.

"If a Jewish farmer eats a chicken, one of them is sick." Old Proverb.

Source: Leo Rosten

322 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:33:44pm

re: #303 SlartyBartfast

Doesn't Illinois have a longer border w/ Kentucky than Arkansas?

323 Wishing  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:33:45pm

Sorry, my link thingy is broken...

324 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:34:06pm

re: #316 VegasRick

Some of the women in my life that I would fight to the death for: Wife, Mom, Sisters, Damsels in distress, Anna Kournikova. Not necessarily in that order.

you left out Brittney Spears...wtf is wrong with you?

325 Empire1  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:34:23pm

re: #289 taxfreekiller

NCOs are the heart of the military. Honest officers (like my dad) will admit it.

326 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:34:29pm

re: #318 Kosh's Shadow

See, there is an advantage in keeping kosher.

LOL. Yeah, but fried vursht will kill you twice as fast.

327 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:34:56pm

Palin and other GOP Governors push for stimulus bills passage.

328 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:35:26pm

re: #324 albusteve

you left out Brittney Spears...wtf is wrong with you?

Shaved Brit or not shaved?

329 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:36:01pm

re: #327 avanti

Palin and other GOP Governors push for stimulus bills passage.

I've just been Judas-rolled.

330 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:36:12pm
331 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:36:12pm

re: #328 VegasRick

Shaved Brit or not shaved?

And shaved where...?

332 Empire1  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:36:13pm

re: #327 avanti

Palin and other GOP Governors push for stimulus bills passage.

A major point against her, then -- and the rest of them, too.

333 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:36:22pm

Damn, wrong link, here

334 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:36:37pm

re: #328 VegasRick

Shaved Brit or not shaved?

YUCK!....forget I mentioned it....please

335 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:36:56pm

re: #287 eon

I have a love/hate relationship with shrimp.

I don't really talk to them much, I have to admit it's mostly a physical thing with me and shrimp.

336 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:37:09pm

re: #276 avanti

What I don't get is the big picture issue. Had Judas not turned him in, or the Jews condemned him. it would have screwed up God's whole plan. The purported lost Gospel of Judas talks about that very thing.

You are kidding me right? When I logged in early this morning you were whining about being down dinged 100 times..tonight i come on and it's -140.
What the hell have you been saying all day? (what lizards did you piss off? come on you can tell us)
I can do Chris Rock voice really good..Listen..
Hey dude..you getting downdinged like that shouldn't be ask'n religous questions on a Sat. night thread..You got problems with Judas?
Are you out of your F*cking mind?
Jeez..you're not camped out at the Dakota are you?
////

337 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:37:24pm

re: #329 Pianobuff

Heh.

338 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:37:48pm

re: #320 Lynn B.

LOL!

PartIES. 27 cities internationally. It's a disgrace. So, I'll join your wish and raise you a few dozen.

Did you check out the poster of the little tyke with the "peace scarf" around his neck about to be blown to bits by the evil Israeli missile.

It's a good thing I'm not at a college anymore, I be hard pressed not to stuff a peace scarf wearing dipstick into the nearest trash can. Even when I when to school I'd make remarks to people wearing one, which in general earned me a finger. I guess they didn't like being called terrorist lovers or such.

339 Macker  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:37:49pm

Folks...I'm taking off for about 12 hours. Going in for a sleep study. First one in 8 years...fortunately, the Dr. didn't kick my ass, since I asked for the study.

340 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:38:15pm

re: #314 Spare O'Lake

The Jews have eaten 6 million chickens.
At least.

Some asshole kept emailing me to put "Eternal Treblinka" in the "Holocaust" section of my website links page. It's a PETA site comparing the eating of chickens to the Holocaust.

341 Shay4l  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:38:31pm

re: #43 pat

Note that while he increases The National Endowment to the Arts budget by hundreds of times he has decreased the Pentagons budget by 11%

This would enrage me a tiny bit less if there were a dung-covered or urine-soaked Mohammed displayed next to the Christian-bashing filth our public money will inevitably fund, but the "artists" are cowards and frauds so it won't happen.

It will still wenrage me to no end.

342 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:38:50pm

re: #327 avanti

Palin and other GOP Governors push for stimulus bills passage.

Calling Palin a Judas, or link from a earlier topic?
;-)

I've never done that, never.........
/////

344 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:40:04pm
345 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:40:21pm

re: #333 avanti

Damn, wrong link, here

Hmmm... Glad this got out in advance so the pressure can be applied to the govs. Actual quotes are only from a few governors... none from Palin as far as I can see. Many of them are saying things like, "well if the bill passes I'll take me some money". Not clear if the same number are actually pushing for passage though.

346 Ger  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:40:32pm

We need a new word for these kinds of non-apologies, a la "I'm sorry you got offended by what I said..."

347 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:40:42pm

re: #342 jcm

Calling Palin a Judas, or link from a earlier topic?
;-)

I've never done that, never.........
/////

At least it was not a porn site.:)

348 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:40:57pm

re: #341 Shay4l

This would enrage me a tiny bit less if there were a dung-covered or urine-soaked Mohammed displayed next to the Christian-bashing filth our public money will inevitably fund, but the "artists" are cowards and frauds so it won't happen.

It will still wenrage me to no end.

I wenrage on weekends only....

349 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:41:02pm

re: #343 Killian Bundy

14-times Olympic gold medal winner Michael Phelps caught with cannabis pipe

/ruh roh

It's okay dude, it's Kona Gold!

350 Sheepdogess  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:41:17pm

re: #173 ArmyWife

WAB? Wife ? Barack? Please translate. Thank you :).

351 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:41:22pm
352 lifeofthemind  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:42:04pm

re: #343 Killian Bundy

14-times Olympic gold medal winner Michael Phelps caught with cannabis pipe

/ruh roh

Expensive mistake, or does anything count in the New Order?

353 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:42:22pm

re: #347 avanti

At least it was not a porn site.:)

giggle

354 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:42:57pm

re: #349 jcm

It's okay dude, it's Kona Gold!

/some kid with a cell phone camera just paid their tuition through grad school

355 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:42:58pm

re: #350 Sheepdogess

WAB? Wife ? Barack? Please translate. Thank you :).

You are close. Whinny Ass Bitch.

356 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:43:09pm

Are our Egyptian "friends" finally doing something to stem the flow of weapons into Gaza?

Egypt installs tunnel-detection devices along Philadelphi

Egypt began installing advanced cameras and sensors last week to help combat smuggling along the Philadelphi Corridor, Egyptian officials confirmed Saturday

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:43:12pm

Some reason (don't know why) I have listened to Flaming Lips, "She Don't Use Jelly" about 25 times today.

Anybody else do that? Love the song, but, it got into my head today.

358 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:43:21pm

re: #350 Sheepdogess

WAB? Wife ? Barack? Please translate. Thank you :).

Whiny Assed Bitch.

359 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:44:27pm

re: #343 Killian Bundy

14-times Olympic gold medal winner Michael Phelps caught with cannabis pipe

/ruh roh

Doesn't look like Phelps to me...he doesn't sport sideburns.

360 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:44:30pm

re: #350 Sheepdogess

Whiny A** Bit**

361 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:44:30pm
362 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:44:53pm

re: #349 jcm

It's okay dude, it's Kona Gold!

Will someone PLEASE tell law enforcement that celebrity equals immunity?/

363 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:45:10pm

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Some reason (don't know why) I have listened to Flaming Lips, "She Don't Use Jelly" about 25 times today.

Anybody else do that? Love the song, but, it got into my head today.

ah...no, never

364 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:46:42pm

re: #345 Pianobuff

Hmmm... Glad this got out in advance so the pressure can be applied to the govs. Actual quotes are only from a few governors... none from Palin as far as I can see. Many of them are saying things like, "well if the bill passes I'll take me some money". Not clear if the same number are actually pushing for passage though.

Palin is being quite.

365 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:46:51pm

re: #359 BignJames

Doesn't look like Phelps to me...he doesn't sport sideburns.

/check the picture on Drudge, he's sportin' 'em in that one

366 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:47:13pm

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Some reason (don't know why) I have listened to Flaming Lips, "She Don't Use Jelly" about 25 times today.

Anybody else do that? Love the song, but, it got into my head today.

My father-in-law had a serious case of that. I believe it's called "stuck tune syndrome" (for real). I crap you negative, that dude had Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer playing in his head constantly for about 6 or 7 years. It would even play in his dreams and wake him up.

367 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:47:26pm

re: #362 USBeast

Will someone PLEASE tell law enforcement that celebrity equals immunity?/

I wonder what the rap is for possession of Zig Zags?

368 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:47:30pm
369 SummerSong  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:47:53pm

re: #346 Ger

We need a new word for these kinds of non-apologies, a la "I'm sorry you got offended by what I said..."

I actually had a guy say to me - "I'm sorry, no apology". LOL

370 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:48:06pm

re: #346 Ger

We need a new word for these kinds of non-apologies, a la "I'm sorry you got offended by what I said..."


or, I am sorry you people are so sensitive. . .lighten up///

371 kansas  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:48:07pm

Is that a bong or a yard of beer?

372 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:48:26pm

re: #364 avanti

Palin is being quite.

Something up her sleeve?

373 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:48:32pm

re: #365 Killian Bundy

/check the picture on Drudge, he's sportin' 'em in that one


Yep, sure is.

374 yochanan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:48:32pm

re: #322 BignJames

Doesn't Illinois have a longer border w/ Kentucky than Arkansas?

we don't share a border with arkansas

only ind, wis, ia, mo, and ky.

and the ky isn't jelly

375 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:49:19pm

re: #370 DisturbedEma

or, I am sorry you people are so sensitive. . .lighten up///

fuck off still works for me...I'm old fashioned tho

376 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:49:36pm

re: #366 Pianobuff

My father-in-law had a serious case of that. I believe it's called "stuck tune syndrome" (for real). I crap you negative, that dude had Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer playing in his head constantly for about 6 or 7 years. It would even play in his dreams and wake him up.

It's also called a brain worm. There are therapies but no real cure.

377 n in wi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:49:40pm

re: #361 taxfreekiller

Barney Frank and Chris Dodd held a press conference just min. ago,
they will not vote for pork ever again, they also want to plead guilty of the fraud they used to screw up all the mortgage loans and banks in America.

Good times ahead thanks to the Democrat Leader in Congress.....

And Harry Reid said that in fact the Iraq war was won
Dennis Kucinich told Amidinner jacket to go pack sand.
And the kicker was when Obama said" I was having a little fun with y'all
these last 2 weeks. My plan is to cut the corp. tax rate to 15%

378 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:49:44pm

re: #364 avanti

Palin is being quite.

Everyone has their stinkin' hand out.

GAH!

379 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:50:04pm
380 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:50:10pm

re: #371 kansas

Is that a bong or a yard of beer?

/good question, do yards of beer have bowls and bowl stems?

381 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:50:22pm

re: #362 USBeast

Will someone PLEASE tell law enforcement that celebrity equals immunity?/

Damn missed that step.... get famous... then smoke pot.....

382 Ziggy Standard  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:50:53pm

Look at the Popes latest promotion: Fr Gerhard Maria Wagner

Fr Wagner is also notorious for his extreme views - he has accused the popular Harry Potter novels of spreading Satanism, and described Hurricane Katrina as God's punishment for the sinners of New Orleans.

He wrote in a parish newsletter that the death and destruction caused by the hurricane in New Orleans was divine retribution for the city's tolerance of homosexuals and permissive sexual attitudes.

The future bishop said he was glad that Katrina destroyed not only nightclubs and brothels in New Orleans, but also five of the city's abortion clinics.

Madness.

383 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:51:06pm

re: #375 albusteve

fuck off still works for me...I'm old fashioned tho

Yep, me too. Unless it is a somewhat attractive woman, then I say blow me, you just never know.

384 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:51:08pm

re: #374 yochanan

I was referring to Ky/Ark.

385 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:51:36pm

re: #340 Alouette

Some asshole kept emailing me to put "Eternal Treblinka" in the "Holocaust" section of my website links page. It's a PETA site comparing the eating of chickens to the Holocaust.

Unfuckingbelievable.

386 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:51:42pm

re: #367 albusteve

I wonder what the rap is for possession of Zig Zags?

Depends what you're (w)rappin'...

387 pink freud  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:51:43pm

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Some reason (don't know why) I have listened to Flaming Lips, "She Don't Use Jelly" about 25 times today.

Anybody else do that? Love the song, but, it got into my head today.

Sex on Fire did that to me the other day.

Kings of Leon

388 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:52:17pm

re: #378 jcm

Everyone has their stinkin' hand out.

GAH!

Just a few billion for Alaskan infrastructure probably.

389 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:52:30pm
390 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:53:04pm

re: #384 BignJames

I was referring to Ky/Ark.

Helps to look at a map once in a while.

391 kansas  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:53:34pm

re: #380 Killian Bundy

/good question, do yards of beer have bowls and bowl stems?

Yards look like what I saw in the pic. So do bongs. Lets make sure to make a big deal out of this while Obama fucks us.

392 Gordon Marock  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:53:57pm

Williamson represents a tiny minority, and should not stop us from negotiating with the vast majority of moderate peaceful Catholics.

393 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:54:01pm
394 Ziggy Standard  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:54:30pm

re: #327 avanti

Palin and other GOP Governors push for stimulus bills passage.

You might enjoy this story.

395 yochanan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:54:51pm

re: #384 BignJames

ark does not connect ot ky either
mo is in the way

396 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:55:14pm

re: #382 Jimmah

The future bishop said he was glad that Katrina destroyed not only nightclubs and brothels in New Orleans, but also five of the city's abortion clinics.


What an asshole. Can Benedict destroy the Church in his 20 or so year reign? I wouldn't say it's likely but he sure looks like he's going to try.

397 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:55:17pm

re: #389 taxfreekiller

DD-214's tell all.
Lt. for life is one lucky commie, he has two or more DD-214's.

Yeah, discharge in '72 and review board gave him an honorable in '77(?).
How many vets got on honorable 5 years after discharge from a review board?

398 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:55:59pm

re: #395 yochanan

ark does not connect ot ky either
mo is in the way

Fuck mo, that bastard sucks.........Oh wait!

399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:55:59pm

re: #371 kansas

I had four yards of beer once.

400 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:56:11pm

re: #395 yochanan

ark does not connect ot ky either
mo is in the way


Now you tell me.

401 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:57:12pm

re: #399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had four yards of beer once.

Cubic, square or linear?

402 yochanan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:57:51pm

[Link: www.50states.com...]

mo and tenn are between ky and ark

403 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:57:52pm

re: #401 USBeast

Cubic, square or linear?

Block.

404 Gordon Marock  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:57:53pm

The Pope should declare Williamson takfir . . . of wait, I mean, whatever the Catholic equivalent is.

405 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:58:06pm

re: #391 kansas

Yards look like what I saw in the pic. So do bongs. Lets make sure to make a big deal out of this while Obama fucks us.

/it's a bong

406 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:58:17pm
407 Ziggy Standard  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:58:25pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

What an asshole. Can Benedict destroy the Church in his 20 or so year reign? I wouldn't say it's likely but he sure looks like he's going to try.

Yes, it's like he's decided to thin the flock and get rid of all those normal, socially liberal, still-able-to-reason catholics (CINO's?).

408 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:58:36pm

re: #399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had four yards of beer once.

I had four beers in the yard on a number of occasions.

409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:58:47pm

re: #401 USBeast

Cubic, square or linear?

72 oz. each.

410 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:58:56pm

French communists are feeling froggy....
French government fears rise of left


"Sarkozy is right to be afraid of us," says Marine, a 22-year-old student and member of the League of Communist Revolutionaries in Toulouse.

"We are the ones who are going to break the rules and the control of the old system. We are the new alternative".
....
Stephane Borras, who is one of the group's organisers and a candidate to lead a new party that is being formed under the banner of anti-capitalism, says attitudes are changing.

"We are seeing a radicalisation, perhaps the beginning of a very big movement. I am not a clairvoyant, but I live in France, I have a lot of contacts with a wide range of people and it's not just leftists, not just militants who cannot accept the injustice. Inequality is growing in Europe and inequality is always the cause of revolt".

411 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:59:01pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

What an asshole. Can Benedict destroy the Church in his 20 or so year reign? I wouldn't say it's likely but he sure looks like he's going to try.

can a pope be recalled or defrocked or whatever?...just for the sake of argument how do they depose berserk pope?

412 Pianobuff  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:59:25pm

re: #408 Spare O'Lake

I had four beers in the yard on a number of occasions.

I thought he was at a block party and he had four yards of beer.

413 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 5:59:44pm

re: #377 n in wi

And Harry Reid said that in fact the Iraq war was won
Dennis Kucinich told Amidinner jacket to go pack sand.
And the kicker was when Obama said" I was having a little fun with y'all
these last 2 weeks. My plan is to cut the corp. tax rate to 15%

Pelosi admitted her intense jealousy of Palin
Palin coldcocked that feking bitch Tina Fey
B. Clinton joined Promise Keepers

and the creme de la creme?

Congress declared their intention to work for no pay until Americans were back to work in great numbers. . .

414 yochanan  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:00:02pm

i went to school in c'dale at SIU.
spent 4 years in that part of the state.

415 Render  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:00:53pm

re: #284 Scion9

By '36 he was already The Party, and the Party security apparatus, in the form of the remnants of the four million strong SA combined with the SS, was already larger then the Wermacht, although not as well armed or organized. By '36 the Wermacht was already too compromised.

The Wermacht was already beholden to _itler for ridding them of the threat of the SA in '34. The older General Staff members of the Wermacht didn't understand that that just made him stronger and them weaker. The younger Party members in the Wermacht knew full well what they were doing, he'd placed them there.

He used the same methods to infiltrate the leading German religious organizations of the time. Party members slowly taking over the leadership positions and guiding the organization in question into being absorbed by the Party.

The time to have ended the Shoah before it began arrived in 1920. When _itlers twenty five point program for the Party was published.

He should have been executed for treason in '23.

===

They slowly infiltrated the schools, the media, and politics. Taking over from the inside.

Does any of this sound familiar?

RUBYCON,
R

416 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:01:17pm

re: #402 yochanan

[Link: www.50states.com...]

mo and tenn are between ky and ark

Did you miss that line in the Ledbetter bill? There are 57 states now by executive order to remove possible stain on dear leader. . .and they are all getting start up money. . .

417 jaunte  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:01:19pm

re: #413 DisturbedEma

don't bogart that thing, now.

418 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:01:32pm

re: #410 Killgore Trout

French communists are feeling froggy....
French government fears rise of left

Great news Killgore!
/fuckers

419 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:01:44pm

re: #410 Killgore Trout

French communists are feeling froggy....
French government fears rise of left

"Sarkozy is right to be afraid of us," says Marine, a 22-year-old student and member of the League of Communist Revolutionaries in Toulouse.
"We are the ones who are going to break the rules and the control of the old system. We are the new alternative".
....
Stephane Borras, who is one of the group's organisers and a candidate to lead a new party that is being formed under the banner of anti-capitalism, says attitudes are changing.

"We are seeing a radicalisation, perhaps the beginning of a very big movement. I am not a clairvoyant, but I live in France, I have a lot of contacts with a wide range of people and it's not just leftists, not just militants who cannot accept the injustice. Inequality is growing in Europe and inequality is always the cause of revolt".


That's gotta be good for something.

420 Steve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:02:22pm

re: #399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had four yards of beer once.

Would that be laying them down end to end or standing them up?

421 n in wi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:02:25pm

re: #416 DisturbedEma

Did you miss that line in the Ledbetter bill? There are 57 states now by executive order to remove possible stain on dear leader. . .and they are all getting start up money. . .

I keep wanting to call it the Bedwetter bill

422 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:03:06pm

re: #415 Render

By '36 he was already The Party, and the Party security apparatus, in the form of the remnants of the four million strong SA combined with the SS, was already larger then the Wermacht, although not as well armed or organized. By '36 the Wermacht was already too compromised.

The Wermacht was already beholden to _itler for ridding them of the threat of the SA in '34. The older General Staff members of the Wermacht didn't understand that that just made him stronger and them weaker. The younger Party members in the Wermacht knew full well what they were doing, he'd placed them there.

He used the same methods to infiltrate the leading German religious organizations of the time. Party members slowly taking over the leadership positions and guiding the organization in question into being absorbed by the Party.

The time to have ended the Shoah before it began arrived in 1920. When _itlers twenty five point program for the Party was published.

He should have been executed for treason in '23.

===

They slowly infiltrated the schools, the media, and politics. Taking over from the inside.

Does any of this sound familiar?

RUBYCON,
R


Audacity to hope. . .Mein. . . drek for the 21rst century- and we will not even have to require people have it. . .the sheeple are buying it already. . .

423 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:03:13pm
424 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:03:30pm

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

72 oz. each.

"All that beer and no whiskey..." Elwood P. Dowd.

425 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:03:39pm

re: #417 jaunte

don't bogart that thing, now.

:(

426 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:04:04pm

re: #423 taxfreekiller

News Flash...

"Truth Squad" hits CNN.

"End Times"

I thought it did already. . .a year ago. . .

427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:04:43pm

re: #420 Steve

Would that be laying them down end to end or standing them up?

Glasses are three feet tall. Look like laboratory beakers. Bulb at bottom, long stem, fluted top.

They were delicious. 72 oz of golden sunshine, each.

428 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:05:43pm

re: #419 BignJames

"Sarkozy is right to be afraid of us," says Marine, a 22-year-old student and member of the League of Communist Revolutionaries in Toulouse.
"We are the ones who are going to break the rules and the control of the old system. We are the new alternative".
....
Stephane Borras, who is one of the group's organisers and a candidate to lead a new party that is being formed under the banner of anti-capitalism, says attitudes are changing.

"We are seeing a radicalisation, perhaps the beginning of a very big movement. I am not a clairvoyant, but I live in France, I have a lot of contacts with a wide range of people and it's not just leftists, not just militants who cannot accept the injustice. Inequality is growing in Europe and inequality is always the cause of revolt".

That's gotta be good for something.

another twit talking in circles...what's his beef?....what's the plan?....pure anarchy for it's own sake....just fodder in the end

429 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:06:03pm
430 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:06:31pm

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Glasses are three feet tall. Look like laboratory beakers. Bulb at bottom, long stem, fluted top.

They were delicious. 72 oz of golden sunshine, each.

I'd pee for a week.

431 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:06:35pm

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Glasses are three feet tall. Look like laboratory beakers. Bulb at bottom, long stem, fluted top.

They were delicious. 72 oz of golden sunshine, each.


That's a 6 pack....you had 4?....at 1 sitting?

432 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:06:47pm
433 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:08:45pm

Obama weekly address,
Saturday, January 31st, 2009 at 4:45 am
Moving forward

Americans know that our economic recovery will take years -- not months. But they will have little patience if we allow politics to get in the way of action, and our economy continues to slide. That's why I am calling on the Senate to pass this plan, so that we can put people back to work and begin the long, hard work of lifting our economy out of this crisis. No one bill, no matter how comprehensive, can cure what ails our economy. So just as we jumpstart job creation, we must also ensure that markets are stable, credit is flowing, and families can stay in their homes.


We know you are wrong, this stimulus plan is proven wrong (see New Deal).
Tax cuts and government rollbacks is proven to work (see, Kennedy, Reagan, Bush).
Politics is the only tool we have Mr. President. What would you have us do? Riot?

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:09:18pm

re: #430 MandyManners

Yep.

re: #431 BignJames

Don't know what the hell I was thinking.

435 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:09:37pm

re: #411 albusteve

If there is a way to impeach a Pope I'm sure that power doesn't come from Catholics. that power would be from withing the Vatican. I'm sure he has his power all locked up. Somebody yesterday suggested an American Schism. It's starting to sound like a good idea.

436 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:09:52pm

re: #411 albusteve

Practically speaking, there is no way to depose a Pope today.

Fortunately, Benedict is not "braindead," "moronic," "berserk," "an asshole", or any other of the lovely epithets that have been bestowed upon him here by assorted sound-bite bigots.

437 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:10:22pm
438 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:10:51pm

re: #431 BignJames

That's a 6 pack....you had 4?....at 1 sitting?

"24 beers in a case. 24 hours in a day. Coincidence? I don't think so." Paul Newman

439 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:10:55pm

re: #414 yochanan

I have a dear friend teaching there. Can't get through to her.
Sigh.

440 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:11:26pm

re: #435 Killgore Trout

If there is a way to impeach a Pope I'm sure that power doesn't come from Catholics. that power would be from withing the Vatican. I'm sure he has his power all locked up. Somebody yesterday suggested an American Schism. It's starting to sound like a good idea.

I'm actually curious in a morbid sort of way I guess...I suppose the thought only arises every 1000 yrs or so...thanks

441 MJ  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:11:42pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

What an asshole. Can Benedict destroy the Church in his 20 or so year reign? I wouldn't say it's likely but he sure looks like he's going to try.

Making Mel Gibson welcome...

442 n in wi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:11:48pm

re: #433 jcm

Obama weekly address,
Saturday, January 31st, 2009 at 4:45 am
Moving forward


We know you are wrong, this stimulus plan is proven wrong (see New Deal).
Tax cuts and government rollbacks is proven to work (see, Kennedy, Reagan, Bush).
Politics is the only tool we have Mr. President. What would you have us do? Riot?

And if ,as you stated on friday,"Now is not the time for profit", WTF are you going to tax ?

443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:12:35pm

This just replaced Flaming Lips. Fourth time listening....

Don't give me no lip either. This video was a thread topic once.

444 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:12:49pm

re: #411 albusteve

Can a pope be impeached?
Nope.

445 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:12:55pm

re: #442 n in wi

And if ,as you stated on friday,"Now is not the time for profit", WTF are you going to tax ?


oxygen.

446 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:13:06pm
447 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:13:09pm

re: #436 wolfie

Practically speaking, there is no way to depose a Pope today.

Fortunately, Benedict is not "braindead," "moronic," "berserk," "an asshole", or any other of the lovely epithets that have been bestowed upon him here by assorted sound-bite bigots.

I have no clue...it's just an interesting question imo...I do not judge him

448 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:13:17pm

re: #444 Killgore Trout

Can a pope be impeached?
Nope.

Maybe gone in a puff of white smoke?

449 n in wi  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:13:40pm

re: #445 BignJames

oxygen.

Cap and trade.

450 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:14:59pm

re: #444 Killgore Trout

Can a pope be impeached?
Nope.

I could have done that...you're ok....sometimes

451 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:15:03pm

re: #444 Killgore Trout

ASSASSINATED PONTIFFS

In the old days they used to whack them.

452 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:15:31pm

re: #450 albusteve

;)

453 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:15:56pm

re: #412 Pianobuff

I thought he was at a block party and he had four yards of beer.

That's what he said.
Up here in Canada we don't fool around with our beer. We usually drink it by the two-four.

454 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:16:02pm

re: #451 Killgore Trout

ASSASSINATED PONTIFFS

In the old days they used to whack them.

Rough business the holiness trade....
/

455 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:16:06pm

Time to call it a night. Be back to in the morning. Be prepared

I will not be ignored.

456 Render  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:16:25pm

re: #451 Killgore Trout

Careful now, I hear a big stick warming up in the distance...

OUTAHERE,
R

457 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:18:03pm

re: #24 VegasRick

Sorry to go OT but I think were in trouble.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Maybe even Palin.

Palin? PALIN? Acting like a politician?

I'm so disappointed...

458 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:18:34pm

re: #436 wolfie

Practically speaking, there is no way to depose a Pope today.

Fortunately, Benedict is not "braindead," "moronic," "berserk," "an asshole", or any other of the lovely epithets that have been bestowed upon him here by assorted sound-bite bigots.

I thought they were referring to the fuckheaded "bishop" and/or the President of the USA.

459 Steve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:18:46pm

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Glasses are three feet tall. Look like laboratory beakers. Bulb at bottom, long stem, fluted top.

They were delicious. 72 oz of golden sunshine, each.

There are more of them if you stand them up and set them side by side.

460 SteveC  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:19:19pm

re: #451 Killgore Trout

ASSASSINATED PONTIFFS

In the old days they used to whack them.

Just like the game of Clue:

It was Andropov in St. Peters Square with the armed Turk!

461 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:19:27pm

re: #451 Killgore Trout

ASSASSINATED PONTIFFS

In the old days they used to whack them.

whoa...Freemasons killed John Paul I!....damn!...what a world eh?

462 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:20:43pm

re: #448 jcm

Maybe gone in a puff of white smoke?

The doctrine of Papal Infallibility is one of the reasons I left the Church.
I think Benedict is trying to rally conservative Catholics back to the fold because he recognizes the threat from Islam. If that is his goal he is bound to make mistakes, especially (as may be the case here) if he gets in a hurry.

463 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:20:47pm

re: #461 albusteve

whoa...Freemasons killed John Paul I!....damn!...what a world eh?

I take it you've never watched Godfather III.

464 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:22:11pm

re: #410 Killgore Trout

French communists are feeling froggy....
French government fears rise of left

It's not a coincidence that the famous phrase "Le plus ca change........." is quoted in French.

465 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:22:25pm
466 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:22:45pm

re: #433 jcm

Obama weekly address,
Saturday, January 31st, 2009 at 4:45 am
Moving forward


We know you are wrong, this stimulus plan is proven wrong (see New Deal).
Tax cuts and government rollbacks is proven to work (see, Kennedy, Reagan, Bush).
Politics is the only tool we have Mr. President. What would you have us do? Riot?

Does this mean the unicorn will be here next week instead of tomorrow? What about the oceans? Are they scheduled to recede now or later. . .? I mean, you know in the interest of transparency. . .

467 MJ  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:23:10pm

Springsteen regrets record deal

Rock star Bruce Springsteen has said it was a "mistake" to exclusively release an album with US retail giant Wal-Mart.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]


I guess this means he'll donate all the album profits to charity then, right?

468 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:23:19pm
469 Dayenu  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:23:39pm

re: #235 CapeCoddah

Really? I'd have thought you'd be elected president of the United States...

470 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:23:53pm

re: #463 Cato the Elder

I take it you've never watched Godfather III.

George Steinbrenner must be a Freemason...there is no other expaination for the Yakees success

471 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:23:53pm

re: #457 Cato the Elder

Palin? PALIN? Acting like a politician?

I'm so disappointed...

"You will be assimilated, it's futile to resist"

472 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:24:45pm

re: #457 Cato the Elder

Palin? PALIN? Acting like a politician liberal democrat?
I'm so disappointed...

Fixed, and so am I.

473 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:25:42pm
474 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:25:54pm

re: #468 Iron Fist

Luckily enough, European nations tend to have draconian laws restricting the "privilege" of owning firearms. When the Left rises up, men with guns can make them stand down.

Oh, were talking about France, aren't we? The only men with guns would be the French Foreign Legion. Still, they will be standing up to other Frenchmen. What are the odds that both sides surrender to the other?

Would they fight over who surrendered first?

475 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:26:53pm

re: #467 MJ

Legend in his own mind. Fricking faker and poseur.

I despise him and his leftie friends.

476 Shay4l  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:27:09pm

re: #310 Pianobuff

It's called Niwdog's law and it's the rule that every discussion that starts out referencing Hitler ends up comparing someone to Ethel Merman.

Holy crap, there' s a law for everything, anymore.

477 BignJames  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:27:45pm

re: #468 Iron Fist


Is the FFL ever allowed into France...besides the officers?

478 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:28:06pm
479 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:28:38pm

re: #468 Iron Fist

For sale: French WW2 army rifle. Never been fired, only dropped once.

480 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:30:21pm

From the article at 478...

Desbois says he has interviewed more than 800 eyewitnesses and pinpointed hundreds of mass graves strewn around dusty fields in the former Soviet Union. The result is a book, "The Holocaust by Bullets," and an exhibition through March 15 at New York's Museum of Jewish Heritage.

Brought to Ukraine by a twist of fate, Desbois has spent seven years trying to document the truth, honor the dead, relieve witnesses of their pain and guilt and prevent future acts of genocide.

481 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:30:25pm

TFK, Knock it off with the ding stalking. It's annoying.

482 Shay4l  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:30:29pm

re: #348 albusteve

I wenrage on weekends only....

Then you know...

483 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:31:35pm

re: #462 USBeast

Vatican I and Vatican II were similar in that some very good things were decided in each and some.....well, not so good.
I sympathize w/ your reaction to the Papal Infallibilty doctrine. Maybe it made sense when it was first promulgated in the late 19th century, i.e., when the Church was trying to combat extreme nationalism, but I dunno. In any case, it's only been used twice, and in both cases it was for purely spiritual matters.
It seems to be a bigger deal in the imaginations of non-Catholics than in reality.

484 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:31:36pm
485 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:31:58pm

re: #479 WhiteRasta

For sale: French WW2 army rifle. Never been fired, only dropped once.

Cleaned once every 5 years.

486 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:32:55pm

re: #470 albusteve

He must've quit the Order last year!

487 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:33:46pm

re: #410 Killgore Trout

I am not a clairvoyant, but I live in France


About what I'd expect from a eurocommunist.

488 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:33:57pm

re: #484 Iron Fist

"I surrendered to you. You must now take me prisoner!"

"No, no, no I surrendered to you. You must now take me prisoner!"

"Don't make me surrender again. You wouldn't like me when I surrender again!"

Probably quaffing wine from the bottle as the fight goes further and further until one side executes itself to prove that they had engaged in War Crimes, and should be allowed to surrender first.

ROFL!

489 albusteve  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:34:52pm

re: #486 wolfie

He must've quit the Order last year!

"explain your failure Brother George"....and so on

490 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:34:53pm
491 Truth Dr.  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:34:58pm

He's like the Naim Ateek of England. Both are loathsome cretins who do no service to the Church.

492 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:35:17pm

re: #475 WhiteRasta

Steinbrenner?

Oops!...............never mind!

493 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:35:50pm

re: #442 n in wi

And if ,as you stated on friday,"Now is not the time for profit", WTF are you going to tax ?

Well- um er um er um er um er guns and sin!

494 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:36:18pm

This bishop is a total POS and the church would be wise to throw him under a bus somewhere.

How are all of the lizards tonight?

495 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:36:51pm
496 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:37:01pm
497 wolfie  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:37:04pm

re: #489 albusteve

ROFL ! (I want the movie rights to that story!)

498 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:38:57pm

Goodbye to a Grand Old Lady.

BREMERTON, Wash. - Carlos Rivera served on the USS Kitty Hawk's first crew. Aaron Lussier is part of its last.

They and sailors from the 48 years between them gathered in the aircraft carrier's hangar bay Thursday to say goodbye to America's oldest active warship.

499 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:40:01pm
re: #457 Cato the Elder

Palin? PALIN? Acting like a politician liberal democrat?
I'm so disappointed...

Fixed, and so am I.

I'm really not. She is not a savior or a principled conservative; she's just another opportunist.

500 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:42:39pm

re: #481 Killgore Trout

TFK, Knock it off with the ding stalking. It's annoying.

But he's getting me close to minus 150, and it's entertainment for him. :)

501 So?  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:44:38pm

re: #444 Killgore Trout

Can a pope be impeached?
Nope.

Can a peach be impoped?

502 avanti  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:44:51pm

re: #499 Cato the Elder

I'm really not. She is not a savior or a principled conservative; she's just another opportunist.

I'm beginning to think that "principled politician" is a oxymoron.

503 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:45:06pm

re: #481 Killgore Trout

TFK, Knock it off with the ding stalking. It's annoying.

I'll second that

504 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:46:09pm

re: #501 So?

Can a peach be impoped?

It can be compoted.

505 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:48:39pm

re: #504 jcm

It can be compoted.

and composted

506 Scion9  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:49:24pm

re: #468 Iron Fist


The only men with guns would be the French Foreign Legion. Still, they will be standing up to other Frenchmen.

Perhaps I am mistaken, but I believe one of the key characteristics of the Foreign Legion, is that they are not French.

507 monkeytime  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:49:32pm

re: #462 USBeast

The doctrine of Papal Infallibility is one of the reasons I left the Church.
I think Benedict is trying to rally conservative Catholics back to the fold because he recognizes the threat from Islam. If that is his goal he is bound to make mistakes, especially (as may be the case here) if he gets in a hurry.

There has been one instance in history when a Pope has Spoken with Papal Infallibility and that was to proclaim the dogma of Immaculate Conception. It is not every word that comes from his mouth and certainly this Pope has not spoken as such.

508 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:49:52pm

re: #483 wolfie

Vatican I and Vatican II were similar in that some very good things were decided in each and some.....well, not so good.
I sympathize w/ your reaction to the Papal Infallibilty doctrine. Maybe it made sense when it was first promulgated in the late 19th century, i.e., when the Church was trying to combat extreme nationalism, but I dunno. In any case, it's only been used twice, and in both cases it was for purely spiritual matters.
It seems to be a bigger deal in the imaginations of non-Catholics than in reality.

Papal Infallibility is only one of my issues with the Church and most of the other issues involve the local priesthood hiding behind papal robes.

I think it important to remember that the Church has never forsaken its role as a temporal as well as a pastoral force. The Vatican is a political as well as a religious entity and, while it may not be as militant as Islam, still seeks the same goal.

509 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:50:00pm

re: #505 Naso Tang

and composted

Pope compost, give your flowers that etherial glow!

510 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:52:22pm
511 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:53:13pm
512 jcm  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:56:00pm

re: #511 ploome hineni

how ya doin?

anyone say anything important while I was away?

Not really, stayed silly for awhile.....
HB45 came up, the first gun grab bill already in committe.

513 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:56:55pm

re: #509 jcm

Pope compost, give your flowers that etherial glow!

would sell well in Home Depot. I can see the TV ads now.

514 USBeast  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:59:05pm

re: #511 ploome hineni

how ya doin?

anyone say anything important while I was away?

Only me, but nobody ever listens to me.:)

515 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 6:59:13pm

re: #510 ploome hineni

.......
He did add, however, that Hamas must both renounce violence and recognize Israel's right to exist before it could be included in any talks.
......................................

But he does not recognize that then they would not be Hamas. Incredible that a leader who was such a genuine frind to the US can spout such rubbish.

516 odorlesspaintthinner  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:09:31pm

re: #241 ploome hineni

216 odorlesspaintthinner

the Gospels are the only place where any individual called Jesus is recognizable as considered the messiah by a small group of Hellenized Jews who were not able to read the Torh in the original Hebrew and Aramaic

no other contemporary source describes his existance

And yet His message still resonates today. Isn't God amazing? Thank you, brother.

517 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 7:16:45pm

re: #516 odorlesspaintthinner

I don't know if she likes being called brother, nor sister for that matter.

518 monkeytime  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 4:37:17am

re: #508 USBeast

Papal Infallibility is only one of my issues with the Church and most of the other issues involve the local priesthood hiding behind papal robes.

I think it important to remember that the Church has never forsaken its role as a temporal as well as a pastoral force. The Vatican is a political as well as a religious entity and, while it may not be as militant as Islam, still seeks the same goal.

519 Throbert McGee  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 4:49:08am

re: #507 monkeytime

There has been one instance in history when a Pope has Spoken with Papal Infallibility and that was to proclaim the dogma of Immaculate Conception. It is not every word that comes from his mouth and certainly this Pope has not spoken as such.

Upding -- although as a quibbly point, there have actually been TWO instances of a pope speaking "infallibly."

But both of them involved Roman Catholic beliefs about the Virgin Mary -- one having to do with the beginning of her life, and the other with the end of it -- so you weren't very far off:

• Pius IX, in 1854, affirming the dogma of Immaculate Conception (i.e., that Mary herself was born without Original Sin).

• Pius XII, in 1950, affirming the dogma of Mary's Assumption (i.e., at the exact instant of her biological death, Mary's entire physical body was taken up into heaven along with her non-physical soul).

The effect of both of these was to assert that acceptance of these beliefs was obligatory for all faithful Catholics. (Each of these claims about Mary had a very long history of widespread circulation among Catholics before being formally declared as "dogma" -- that is, they weren't invented out of thin air by the Popes who spoke infallibly about them, but only confirmed as "required Catholic beliefs.")

520 monkeytime  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 4:53:25am

...

521 monkeytime  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 4:57:13am

Speaking of Pope Pius XII
Here is what the NY TImes had to say about him on Christmas Day in 1941 and 1942. They called him The Lone Voice In the Darkness speaking out against what the Germans were doing:
NY TIMES

522 monkeytime  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 5:04:30am

re: #519 Throbert McGee

Thank you for posting that. I feel like I'm back in time when The Passion Of the Christ came out and all the media was salavating over all the "Jew Hate Crimes" that were going to come lashing out across America and all they got were cricket chirps. Christians are not the enemy but they are being made out to be that way. Taking advantage of a few nutbags over millions and millions of people who are friends to the Jewish people is a dark shadow over goodness. Who does it serve to drive a big wedge between Catholics and Jews? Certainly not the Jewish people. Whoever is the driving force behind trying to cause this division is only serving in isolating Isreal.

523 Throbert McGee  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 5:36:07am

re: #113 USCMSNE

I've always been puzzled by antisemitism in the name of Christ. There's a lesson to be learned in the Jews killing a fellow Jew. That's the point of the story. You'd think the bishop would be privy to this. Sorry for the Scripture, just making a point.

Um... I hope that what you meant by this was:

There's a lesson to be learned in the some Jews killing a fellow Jew.

All four canonical Gospels emphasize the claim that Pilate, the representative of Roman power, didn't really want to kill Jesus, but only did so under pressure from a large mob made up of Jews. So in this sense, the founding documents of Christianity do assert that "(some) Jews killed Jesus (who was himself a Jew)."

Groups like SSPX are happy and eager to downplay the parenthetical parts -- they'd rather transfer the moral responsibility for Jesus' death from a small group of his Jewish contemporaries onto all Jews for all time; and they'd rather minimize Jesus' own Jewishness.

Non-Christians, and for that matter liberal Christians, are free to argue that the Gospel claim about Pilate being reluctant to execute Jesus is probably false, based on what other historic sources say about Pilate's temperament.

For more theologically conservative Christians, acknowledging an outright falsehood in the Gospels (even if it's only one or two interpolated sentences) isn't an option. But conservative Christians can still repudiate the deicide slander by emphasizing the point that the guilt for Jesus's death belongs solely to those Jews who freely chose to participate in the mob howls for his execution, and does not taint any other Jews, whether in Jesus's lifetime or since.

524 jill e  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 6:05:58am

re: #523 Throbert McGee


I am so thankful that you are commenting so eloquently and accurately on these threads.

525 jester6  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 9:01:03am

I always find it odd that people think the "the Jews killed Jesus" is some kind of insult or taunt.

Forgetting the fact that Romans actually put the nails in, Jesus was a Jew, living with Jews, some of who formed a mob a happily called for his crucifixion.

Who else would have "killed" Jesus the Jew than other Jews? Mongols? Greeks? Egyptians? Illegal Mexican Immigrants?

526 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 9:34:05am

Here's the story of the priest named Patrick Desbois. He is doing very important work these days that haters such as Williamson will never appreciate.

527 Jonathan Constantine  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 9:54:28am
But that’s not surprising because the order to which he belongs is a virulently antisemitic “traditionalist” group that pines for the good old days when heretics could be tortured and executed, women knew their place, and Jews were Christ-killers.

Charles,

Are you taking it a step further (beyond Williamson and his outrageous comments and SSPX literature) and falling into the stereotype that ALL "traditionalists" -those who advocate for a pre-Vat II tridentine rite and ad orientem -- are a bunch of subhuman, misogynist, antisemites?

If so Pope Pius XII, a pre-Vat II "traditionalist" himself (who lived in a day where high necked and long sleeved black dresses, mantilla, and veil for women were Church protocol), would disagree with you:

Historical records show that Pius XII acted as a link to the British government for a number of German dissidents desiring to overthrow Hitler. The Pope went beyond his usual caution, and maintained these contacts until the German invasion of Denmark and Norway in April 1940. The following month, when the Germans invaded the Low Countries, the Pope sent telegrams to the leaders of these besieged nations with his prayers for their deliverance. Soon after, Mussolini joined Hitler. When Nazis occupied Rome in September 1943, the Pope endeavored to save as many Jews as possible. He immediately issued directives to all convents and monasteries to open their doors to protect Jews. Meanwhile, Pope Pius XII invited Jews and other refugees to join the Vatican Palatine Guards. In a few months, their number increased from four hundred to four thousand.

Everywhere in Europe, persecuted people, the Jews especially, appealed to Pius XII. When some five hundred Jews embarked at Bratislava on a steamer for Palestine, their ship tried to enter the seaport of Istanbul, but was refused permission to land. Captured by an Italian patrol boat, the Jews were imprisoned in a camp at Rhodes. One of the prisoners managed to appeal to Pius XII for help. Thanks to the Pope's intervention, unknown to the Axis, the refugees were transferred to an improvised camp (Ferramonti- Tarsia) in Southern Italy, where they were found safe three years later, in December 1943.

--and--

Zolli devoted an entire chapter in his memoirs to the German occupation of Rome and praised the Pope's leadership: "... The people of Rome loathed the Nazis and had intense pity for the Jews. They willingly assisted in the evacuation of the Jewish population into remote villages, where they were concealed and protected by Christian families. Christian families in the heart of Rome accepted Jews. There was money in the treasury for the support of destitute refugees thus hidden. The Holy Father sent by hand a letter to the bishops instructing them to lift the enclosure from convents and monasteries, so that they could become refuges for the Jews. I know of one convent where the Sisters slept in the basement, giving up their beds to Jewish refugees. In face of this charity, the fate of so many of the persecuted is especially tragic."

528 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 9:57:05am

re: #527 Jonathan Constantine

Are you taking it a step further (beyond Williamson and his outrageous comments and SSPX literature) and falling into the stereotype that ALL "traditionalists" -those who advocate for a pre-Vat II tridentine rite and ad orientem -- are a bunch of subhuman, misogynist, antisemites?

No, and that's perfectly clear from what I wrote:

...the order to which he belongs is a virulently antisemitic “traditionalist” group that pines for the good old days when heretics could be tortured and executed, women knew their place, and Jews were Christ-killers.

If I meant "all" traditionalists were like this, that's what I would have written.

529 Jonathan Constantine  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 10:01:31am

re: #528 Charles

I am glad you cleared that up.

530 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 10:05:51am

re: #529 Jonathan Constantine

I am glad you cleared that up.

I thought it was already clear.

531 Jonathan Constantine  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 10:09:01am

Well if it was to me I wouldn't have asked you.

In any case I trust your word.

532 Daisy  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 12:45:55pm

Richard Williamson's honorific is not "Bishop", at least in the sense of the title as it would be used in the RC Church. Williamson, formerly a Catholic, was illegitimately 'ordained' outside the auspices of the Church. Hence, he's as entitled to the title of "Catholic Bishop" as I am, which is to say, not at all.

I mention this important piece of accuracy in the small hope that it will contribute to reasonable discussion about this issue. Having said that, I kind of doubt that it will, given so much willful ignorance on the subject.

Williamson's views on the Holocaust are atrocious. However, he's not been invited to return to the Church because the Church is rejoicing over the facts that he joined an impostor Catholic denomination or because he's an anti-Semite (and an anti- realist). Indeed, it's most likely that the Church would like very much to defuse this dangerous confluence (in an increasingly anti-Semitic Europe) by neutralizing his illegitimate, albeit dangerously influential power. This could be accomplished if he is accepted back 'into the fold'. Once there, he will not be re-instated as a Bishop, since he was not a Bishop in the first place. This is really not too awfully complicated unless you want to make it complicated by distorting reality by implying evil motives to the Pope, which seems to be quite the armchair sport for an awful lot of posters here.

If this guy Williamson does become reinstated as a Catholic, he will be able to participate in the sacrament of Confession. That would be a good thing. Maybe I state what's obvious, when I point out that forgiveness does not in any way imply endorsement of the sin being forgiven, but is employed despite the heinous nature of any particular sin, if the sinner sincerely (even if imperfectly) asks God (in the case of the Catholic ritual, through an ordained priest) for forgiveness and is willing to accept responsibility for making amends and reparations for harm he has committed.

If the Church did nothing about this guy except condemn his actions/beliefs (which they have already done, repeatedly and officially), and Williamson's evil words/actions (predictably) added to the growing anti-Semitism in the world, I am convinced that the same Church/religion haters would be screaming bloody murder at the Pope for not doing what was in his power to do. Now that the Church is doing what's within its power to do to neutralize Williamson and Co, the same haters keep screaming/which is exactly why I congratulate the Church (which I am not affiliated w/btw) for going right ahead and doing what's right, despite the braying masses.

533 Daisy  Sun, Feb 1, 2009 1:17:26pm

re: #279 wolfie

Your response to CC was so good, wish I'd seen it before I posted #532. What CC said was, of course, illogical. On the one hand CC decries the 'fact' that 'no one takes responsibility' (because of the Church) and on the other CC insists that the Church take over Williamson and friends personal responsibility by re-instating the excommunication (which I'm not even certain has been lifted/has it?). Perfect example of can't win for losing.


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