We have designed our civilization based on science and technology and at the same time arranged things so that almost no one understands anything at all about science and technology. This is a clear prescription for disaster.
— Carl Sagan
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wiffersnapper Sun, Feb 8, 2009 11:46:00pm |
I wonder how many BILLION times he's had this quoted
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blackpajamas Sun, Feb 8, 2009 11:48:28pm |
Little Timmy: Hey mister! What's a rhetorical question?
Mr. Johnson: Well Timmy, what's the difference between a politician and a tax payer?
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gmsc Sun, Feb 8, 2009 11:49:29pm |
re: #1 wiffersnapper
I wonder how many BILLION times he's had this quoted
That depends on how you define "billion". If you're in North America, France, or the Netherlands, 1 billion = 109. Anywhere else in the world, 1 billion = 1012 (and 109 = 1 milliard)
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Sharmuta Sun, Feb 8, 2009 11:50:17pm |
Leave it to a math geek to take the fun out of a number joke. :p
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BlueCanuck Sun, Feb 8, 2009 11:50:29pm |
Ooooh luverly. Another thread we can unravel.
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blackpajamas Sun, Feb 8, 2009 11:50:55pm |
Some say there is bi-partisan agreement over the budget.
It's true, both sides do agree that the plan stinks:
In the left corner, an over stimulated apostate at the Huff-Po!
a strongly worded warning for President Obama: "Quit spending money you don't have, because our kids - it isn't just our kids who are going to pay for it, we're going to pay for it and this crisis is going to get a lot worse if we don't start controlling our spending."
(What manner of sorcery is this?!)
And in the right corner:
The biggest losers from a federal bailout are taxpayers who live in fiscally responsible states. They played by the rules and resisted extravagant new spending programs--and will be rewarded with higher taxes to bail out states that went on unaffordable spending sprees. [1]
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gmsc Sun, Feb 8, 2009 11:54:30pm |
The Dragon In My Garage (Part 1/2)
by Carl Sagan
"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"
Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!
"Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle -- but no dragon.
"Where's the dragon?" you ask.
"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."
You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.
"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air."
Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.
"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."
You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.
"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick." And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.
Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative -- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved."
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gmsc Sun, Feb 8, 2009 11:54:54pm |
The Dragon In My Garage (Part 2/2)
by Carl Sagan
Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons -- to say nothing about invisible ones -- you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon.
Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages -- but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all.
Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence" -- no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it -- is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.
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Dustyvet Sun, Feb 8, 2009 11:56:55pm |
Why policemen always walk the streets in teams of three?
The partners in the police team are always chosen in such a way that one of them knows how to read, the other how to write, and the third one, naturally, has to keep watch over those two intellectuals.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Feb 8, 2009 11:58:07pm |
re: #12 Sharmuta
Should have known. And for some reason, I don't really like that song. I know there is one but it's shrouded in time.
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gmsc Sun, Feb 8, 2009 11:58:12pm |
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Erik The Red Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:01:17am |
A man, called to an audit by the IRS, asked his accountant for advice on what to wear. 'Wear your shabbiest clothing. Let him think you are a pauper.'
Then he asked his lawyer the same question, but got the opposite advice. 'Do not let them intimidate you. Wear your most elegant suit and tie.'
Confused, the man went to his rabbi, told him of the conflicting advice, and requested some resolution of the dilemma. 'Let me tell you a story,' replied the rabbi. 'A woman, about to be married, asked her mother what to wear on her wedding night. 'Wear a heavy, long, flannel nightgown that goes right up to your neck.' But when she asked her best friend, she got conflicting advice. 'Wear your most sexy negligee, with a V neck right down to your navel.'
The man protested: 'What does all this have to do with my problem with the IRS?' 'No matter what you wear, you are going to get screwed.'
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:02:51am |
The more I hear about these economic stimulus proposals, the more I think about that box filled with worthless Argentine pesos, nuevo pesos and Australes I have in the next room.
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blackpajamas Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:03:21am |
re: #15 gmsc
I see the knitjas are here, just like in Crochet Tiger, Knittin' Dragon.
I have mastered the art of tastefully arranging engineers within cubicles. Geekebana.
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:03:31am |
When trying to embed a video, preview really is your friend.
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:05:12am |
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:09:18am |
re: #21 blackpajamas
I have mastered the art of tastefully arranging engineers within cubicles. Geekebana.
Geek Shui?
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blackpajamas Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:10:56am |
I wasn't able to chat the other night, but I saw somebody's Mark Twain quote:
"The difference between the almost right word & the right word is really a large matter--it's the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning."
Then I wondered what would happen with the same principle applied elsewhere:
"Where is the lightning bug to lick you with its tongue? Where is the frenzy with which ye should be inoculated? Lo, I teach you the Superman: he is that lightning bug, he is that frenzy!"
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blackpajamas Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:13:45am |
re: #24 gmsc
Geek Shui?
Most enginerds tend to naturally align themselves to their natural source of Chi or life energy (the coffee machines).
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:17:09am |
re: #26 blackpajamas
Most enginerds tend to naturally align themselves to their natural source of Chi or life energy (the coffee machines).
Good, then you're ready to move up to the next level of geeky arrangement:
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Crux Australis Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:19:48am |
All of human science and technology couldn't save 200+ Australians this weekend.
I'm numb and speechless right now.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:22:59am |
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BatGuano Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:25:46am |
re: #10 gmsc
I would ask, "What makes you believe that there is a dragon in your garage?"
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rawmuse Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:26:46am |
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:27:03am |
re: #28 Crux Australis
All of human science and technology couldn't save 200+ Australians this weekend.
I'm numb and speechless right now.
I assume you're talking about the Victorian fires?
Info and updates from Tim Blair:
Several Victorian towns are on alert as fires approach. The death toll has now reached 108. With the number of homeless too great for agencies to quickly cope with, they are being taken in by anyone with a roof. “It doesn’t matter whether you know your neighbours or not,” said a rescue worker on last night’s news. “You soon will.”
UPDATE. Now there are fears the toll will double.
UPDATE II. A map of fatality locations.
UPDATE III. Road closures. Also, 7800 homes are without power.
...and, proving that no event is so bad that San Francisco can't make it tackier and more tasteless:
Just as they used Hurricane Katrina, warmenists are preparing to use Australia’s fires:
I’m an American climate activist. My heart goes out to all suffering this devastation. I also appeal to you to tell your stories, in blogs or wherever you can; we need your voices to help get climate change laws and treaties passed. Americans don’t understand the harsh reality of GW coming to us all.
Karen, San Francisco, USA
Thanks for the kind thoughts, Karen.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:27:47am |
re: #28 Crux Australis
All of human science and technology couldn't save 200+ Australians this weekend.
I'm numb and speechless right now.
You and I look at the outcome of those fires and see tragedy. People like Al Gore look at the outcome of those fires and see an opportunity to preach the gospel of global warming to people who have just lost loved ones or the roof over their heads....
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BatGuano Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:30:09am |
re: #28 Crux Australis
As a Californian and Oregonian I'm familiar with wildfires and forest fires and I cannot image what is going on there. I've never hear of anything like it.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:30:27am |
Prayers go out to the Aussie fire crews trying to bring those monstrosities under control....
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:31:36am |
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:33:46am |
re: #34 abaleh
Good morning from smoggy and balmy Tel Aviv.
Good morning. Our attention at the moment is on the Victorian brushfires. I hope all is well (or at least, as well as can be expected) in Israel.
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abaleh Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:37:23am |
re: #39 gmsc
Good morning. Our attention at the moment is on the Victorian brushfires. I hope all is well (or at least, as well as can be expected) in Israel.
Thanks.
I just saw the image you posted. I had no idea those fires were so big.
My thoughts are with the those affected, and with the brave men and women trying to contain the fires.
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Crux Australis Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:38:39am |
re: #35 Fenway_Nation
You and I look at the outcome of those fires and see tragedy. People like Al Gore look at the outcome of those fires and see an opportunity to preach the gospel of global warming to people who have just lost loved ones or the roof over their heads....
It doesn't make sense. How can a long and severe (by Australian standards) winter be followed up by something like this?
I don't support Al Gores view on AGW but the last 12 months have been very strange. Is there any other explanation?
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BlueCanuck Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:39:00am |
Wow, I hope you folks in Australia get some relief from those fires soon.
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pink freud Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:41:00am |
Many tried to escape the acrid smoke in their cars but some did not make it, trees exploding and blocking their exit.
Victoria Harvey said a local businessman watched as a car in which his two children were sheltering went up in flames. "He put his kids in the car, turned around to go grab something from the house, then his car was on fire with his kids in it and they burned," she told the Australian Associated Press.
Marie Jones said a badly burnt man carrying his infant daughter told her his wife and other child had been killed. "He was so badly burnt. He had skin hanging off him everywhere and he said 'Look, I've lost my wife, I've lost my other kid, I just need you to save [my daughter]'," Jones said.
Survivors said the devastated areas looked as though they had been hit by a nuclear bomb, and those who lit the blazes "must pay".
"How can people do this? If the coppers can't get them, and someone else finds them, they'll kill them," Jarrod Champion, who found the body of a friend, told The Herald Sun. Jay Cherie from Kinglake Central told ABC her family had no warning of what was to come. "My little girl was saying to me, 'Mum am I going to see my friends again?', she also said to me, 'Mum am I going to live tomorrow?'."
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:43:07am |
Hey crux, Where are you located?
Have you given blood?
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pink freud Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:44:07am |
re: #45 little blessing
This is horrible beyond belief. You all are in my prayers.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:44:57am |
re: #44 pink freud
"How can people do this? If the coppers can't get them, and someone else finds them, they'll kill them," Jarrod Champion, who found the body of a friend, told The Herald Sun
I remember hearing about a suspected arsonist in Southern California who was pretty much shot and killed on site by police in Orange county during that massive outbreak of wildfires in 2007......
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:45:20am |
re: #46 pink freud
Thank you. We've been making phone calls trying to locate our contacts in the area. Not having much luck. The wind has picked up in the last hour, not a good sign.
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pink freud Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:47:38am |
re: #48 little blessing
May the angels watch over you and yours. You too, Crux. Be safe.
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blackpajamas Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:49:04am |
Fortunately, in the affected provinces, the forecast looks like rain:
[Link: www.theaustralian.news.com.au...]
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BatGuano Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:49:12am |
re: #47 Fenway_Nation
Hmmm. What should be the penalty for an arsonist whose actions endanger life or cause the death of others? I have an idea but I will keep it to myself.
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:49:15am |
The thing that boils my blood most is that these fires were started on a day where our dry, dry, tinder box state reached the temperature of 116.7 F +wind.
We were warned that if fire broke out it would be worse and more devastating than Ash Wednesday and Black Friday, and yet some sicko started a fire. 131 (at last confirmed count) men, women, children and infants have paid with their lives.
Pray for the survivors, lizards. They need our prayers more than we need them ourselves.
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:50:20am |
re: #34 abaleh
Good morning from smoggy and balmy Tel Aviv.
Isn't today (February 9, 2009) Tu B'Shevat? Judging from the news we're hearing all around the world, planting a tree seems like a good idea, and expresses some much-needed faith in the future.
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:52:12am |
re: #50 blackpajamas
The rain we are expecting is like spit from a passing car. It wouldn't even put out a cigarette butt. I hope the weatherman are wrong and we'll have serious rain before the end of February.
My yard is caked dirt and tuffs of yellow weeds. I didn't bother planting a vege garden this year. G-d knows we need the rain.
I'll check in again later. Be well Lizards.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:55:14am |
re: #51 BatGuano
Hmmm. What should be the penalty for an arsonist whose actions endanger life or cause the death of others? I have an idea but I will keep it to myself.
Perhaps the most remarkable thing was how the civil liberty groups didn't raise a stink after the shooting. Even they knew how little sympathy could be mustered for an arsonist after multiple wildfires torched their way through three densely populated counties and thousands of homes.
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abaleh Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:55:15am |
re: #53 gmsc
Isn't today (February 9, 2009) Tu B'Shevat? Judging from the news we're hearing all around the world, planting a tree seems like a good idea, and expresses some much-needed faith in the future.
Because of the lack of rain this winter, there're actually calls not to plant trees this year.
I've planted a little herb garden on my balcony.
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:59:07am |
45 years ago today (February 9, 1964):
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Crux Australis Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:59:22am |
re: #45 little blessing
Hey crux, Where are you located?
Have you given blood?
I live in western Sydney. And No.
Western Sydney just had 5 consecutive days above 100F. A record. Today was 23C (72F) and it has been raining for the last two hours.
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BatGuano Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:03:00am |
re: #56 Fenway_Nation
Ah, so there is some limit to there moronic jackassery. And maybe, at some level they understand justice and what must be done. Rather than admit it, they remain silent.
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pink freud Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:09:16am |
re: #63 littleoldlady
Good morning my dear friend. Sad news from Oz.
How are you?
All is well here, I am about to shut it down for the night, I am glad you caught me!
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BatGuano Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:09:22am |
re: #58 gmsc
GMSC, you magnificent bastard! I totally forgot the date! On that evening I was sitting cross-legged on the floor in front of the TV, waiting while a the cast members of a broadway show (they sang, Consider yourself a friend), and dancing bears waiting for the Fab Four to appear.
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littleoldlady Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:10:56am |
I'm ... the same. :-)
How's by you? I'm glad I caught you, too.
Good song! Never heard it before.
/reading up-thread from news from Oz...
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BatGuano Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:13:35am |
re: #65 BatGuano
Ed Sullivan kept saying things like, "For you kiddies...".
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:13:37am |
re: #65 BatGuano
GMSC, you magnificent bastard! I totally forgot the date! On that evening I was sitting cross-legged on the floor in front of the TV, waiting while a the cast members of a broadway show (they sang, Consider yourself a friend), and dancing bears waiting for the Fab Four to appear.
"Consider yourself a friend"? That must've been a production of "Oliver!" they were doing.
Hmmm . . . just to take you back, here's the one Artful Dodger people still remember doing "Consider Yourself":
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pink freud Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:14:30am |
re: #67 littleoldlady
Blue Rodeo ...a wonderful folksy Canadian band I was introduced to about twelve years ago. I am taking a walk down memory lane.
/my cane begonias are still blooming their little hearts out! :-)
With that, I bid you good night, time for sleep here.
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:16:00am |
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BlueCanuck Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:18:30am |
re: #70 pink freud
Thanks for the Blue Rodeo, nice melancholy band for today. They have a lot of good tunes, I happen to like this one.
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pink freud Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:20:22am |
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Render Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:23:47am |
From Bill Roggio and Long War Journal...
Al Qaeda's paramilitary 'Shadow Army'
Al Qaeda has reorganized its notorious paramilitary formations that were devastated during the US invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 and 2002. Al Qaeda has reestablished the predominantly Arab and Asian paramilitary formation that was formerly known as Brigade 055 into a larger, more effective fighting unit known as the Lashkar al Zil, or Shadow Army, a senior US intelligence official told The Long War Journal.
===
I cannot recommend this link and Bill's article highly enough to justify its importance in both the tactical and the strategic fields.
REQUIRED
READING,
R
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:24:32am |
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blackpajamas Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:29:33am |
I like Australians, they're a tough people. They're willing to live in a harsh climate to enjoy their freedoms. They remind me of another survivor, who would have had a birthday recently if nature didn't catch up with him too.
To celebrate that man's birthday (2/6), we can recall:
Ronald Reagan shot, in the operating room, with doctors removing a bullet from his lung, cheerfully he replies, "I hope you're all Republicans."
The doctors exclaim, "Today we're all Republicans."
No matter how Liberals discount even our myths, rational people tend to believe in mythology most strongly when the underlying ideas are true.
Therefore, Reagan being alive today, even if in mind only, stirring Republican Congressional Leadership, marshaling their wayward brethren, standing united against the Bolshevik Nanny statesmanship of the San Francisconian Ill-Looneratii, stepping forward now, calling upon all men and women of the Congress who still give a damn about the prosperity and freedom of American taxpaying citizens, affirm commitment fueling the true engines of value producing innovation, voices a Statement of Aims that does not die:
The central values of civilization are in danger. Over large stretches of the earth’s surface the essential conditions of human dignity and freedom have already disappeared. In others they are under constant menace from the development of current tendencies of policy. The position of the individual and the voluntary group are progressively undermined by extensions of arbitrary power. Even that most precious possession of Western Man, freedom of thought and expression, is threatened by the spread of creeds which, claiming the privilege of tolerance when in the position of a minority, seek only to establish a position of power in which they can suppress and obliterate all views but their own.
The group holds that these developments have been fostered by the growth of a view of history which denies all absolute moral standards and by the growth of theories which question the desirability of the rule of law. It holds further that they have been fostered by a decline of belief in private property and the competitive market; for without the diffused power and initiative associated with these institutions it is difficult to imagine a society in which freedom may be effectively preserved.
Believing that what is essentially an ideological movement must be met by intellectual argument and the reassertion of valid ideals, the group, having made a preliminary exploration of the ground, is of the opinion that further study is desirable inter alia in regard to the following matters:
* The analysis and exploration of the nature of the present crisis so as to bring home to others its essential moral and economic origins.
* The redefinition of the functions of the state so as to distinguish more clearly between the totalitarian and the liberal order.
* Methods of re-establishing the rule of law and of assuring its development in such manner that individuals and groups are not in a position to encroach upon the freedom of others and private rights are not allowed to become a basis of predatory power.
* The possibility of establishing minimum standards by means not inimical to initiative and functioning of the market.
* Methods of combating the misuse of history for the furtherance of creeds hostile liberty.
* The problem of the creation of an international order conducive to the safeguarding of peace and liberty and permitting the establishment of harmonious international economic relations.
(good night)
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littleoldlady Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:30:23am |
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BatGuano Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:33:33am |
re: #69 gmsc
Thank you. Those are great lyrics, well done ("Consider yourself part of the furniture")
Mytwo immediate goals: Read Oliver Twist, see this move, from 1967 I believe.
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:33:59am |
re: #81 littleoldlady
REALLY!? That's you?
/too bad I'm already married... ;-)
SUDOKU!
Yep!
I'll take that as a compliment (for which you're naturally updinged!). :-)
Yeah, I do Sudoku. How'd you know? (Or rather, how could you NOT know after that?)
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BlueCanuck Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:38:21am |
Okay we have had puns, news, math, and some music. I nominate that we turn this into a music thread. :)
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BlueCanuck Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:39:02am |
re: #84 BlueCanuck
Okay we have had puns, news, math, and some music. I nominate that we turn this into a music thread. :)
Crap, Embedding disabled. Try this again with the link. :p
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littleoldlady Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:39:47am |
re: #83 gmsc
YES, that was a compliment, QT!
I recently discovered SUDOKU (I'm always years behind the fads) and became rapidly addicted. I'm still at the "Easy" level, getting the hang of it.
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:43:29am |
re: #86 littleoldlady
YES, that was a compliment, QT!
I recently discovered SUDOKU (I'm always years behind the fads) and became rapidly addicted. I'm still at the "Easy" level, getting the hang of it.
Keep it up, and I'll be so full of myself that I won't have room for fruitcup. ;-)
Here's some good tips on Sudoku solving. If you take that page in bite-size pieces, it's not tough to learn the various techniques.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:43:40am |
While waiting for Fruitcup, here's a couple of Route 40's that I wouldn't mind traversing. I think I've covered more miles on the Argentine one than Alberta's Route 40....
/The Argie one gets its own set of postage stamps in it's honor.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:44:55am |
re: #83 gmsc
Yep!
I'll take that as a compliment (for which you're naturally updinged!). :-)
Yeah, I do Sudoku. How'd you know? (Or rather, how could you NOT know after that?)
Bless you, have a kleenix...:)
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:44:57am |
re: #28 Crux Australis
All of human science and technology couldn't save 200+ Australians this weekend.
I'm numb and speechless right now.
Out of respect for the dead, I'm not going to ding this down, but to pin this tragedy on a failing of science is a little much.
Your contempt of science has been noted. Do not exploit a tragedy to further your personal misgivings about a field that has actually saved millions of lives in other ways. Thank you.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:45:10am |
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:45:23am |
re: #85 BlueCanuck
Crap, Embedding disabled. Try this again with the link. :p
Preview is your embedding friend, my friend.
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astronmr20 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:46:56am |
Has anybody suspected terrorism as of yet in OZ?
Just throwing it out there. Of course, no matter their motives or religion, this sort of arson IS terrorism.
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:47:07am |
re: #91 Fenway_Nation
How do you do that Sudoku that you do?
Well, they're easier to do than that sentence probably was to type.
;)
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littleoldlady Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:47:24am |
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:48:30am |
re: #52 little blessing
The thing that boils my blood most is that these fires were started on a day where our dry, dry, tinder box state reached the temperature of 116.7 F +wind.
We were warned that if fire broke out it would be worse and more devastating than Ash Wednesday and Black Friday, and yet some sicko started a fire. 131 (at last confirmed count) men, women, children and infants have paid with their lives.
Pray for the survivors, lizards. They need our prayers more than we need them ourselves.
I will say a prayer for the survivors.
/It's likely science will help them too. Just sayin'.
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Areozol Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:51:55am |
BREAKING: Polish hostage beheaded in Pakistan.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090208/wl_afp/pakistanpolandunrestkidnapqaeda
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:51:58am |
re: #95 littleoldlady
WAIT A MINUTE! There's tricks?!
/I was using scratch paper!
;-)
Sudoku tricks? Oh, yeah - there are Sudoku tricks.
/Oh, you mean for solving.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:52:19am |
re: #93 astronmr20
Has anybody suspected terrorism as of yet in OZ?
Just throwing it out there. Of course, no matter their motives or religion, this sort of arson IS terrorism.
Whenever I hear about any outbreak of wildfires on the west coast, my initial thought is bed-wetting jerkoff pyro with daddy issues....
/my bed-wetting jerkoff pyro with daddy issues senses are tingling on this outbreak of fires in Oz, too...
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BatGuano Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:53:03am |
Coupling the thread topic with GMSC post at #10, my question is; what is the nature of evidence?
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:56:10am |
re: #96 Sharmuta
Oh, there is no denying that science has helped them. If we couldn't predict the weather at all, didn't have fire proof material, or didn't have fire fighting resources the death toll would be much higher. There is no doubt that science has helped minimise the damage. Its just too bad that science couldn't stop stupid people from lighting fires on such a dangerous day.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:58:35am |
re: #94 gmsc
Well, they're easier to do than that sentence probably was to type.
;)
Hedley Lamarr: Go do that voodoo that you do so well!
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:58:48am |
re: #101 little blessing
Oh, there is no denying that science has helped them. If we couldn't predict the weather at all, didn't have fire proof material, or didn't have fire fighting resources the death toll would be much higher. There is no doubt that science has helped minimise the damage. Its just too bad that science couldn't stop stupid people from lighting fires on such a dangerous day.
And I want to add about the advances in medical science which will hopefully save all of the 30 burn victims in the Alfred hospital plus those in intensive care. Without science they would be statistics by now. Sorry Crux, I don't agree with you. This disaster is not because science doesn't go far enough. Its because of idiots who have no value for human life.
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:58:50am |
re: #100 BatGuano
Coupling the thread topic with GMSC post at #10, my question is; what is the nature of evidence?
First, by "evidence", I assume you mean "scientific evidence" as opposed to "legal evidence" or otherwise.
However, what do you specifically do you want to know about the nature of scientific evidence?
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littleoldlady Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:00:06am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:00:47am |
Any more random pre-fruitcup musings? No...? We're good?
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:00:48am |
re: #105 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!
Yummy! Thanks!
(Looks like I do have room for fruitcup after all. ;-)
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astronmr20 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:01:30am |
re: #97 Areozol
BREAKING: Polish hostage beheaded in Pakistan.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090208/wl_afp/pakist anpolandunrestkidnapqaeda
Oh God....
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Erik The Red Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:01:34am |
re: #105 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!
Morning{lol}
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MrPaulRevere Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:01:42am |
re: #90 Sharmuta
My friend, some things are better left unsaid.
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stevieray Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:01:55am |
re: #99 Fenway_Nation
Whenever I hear about any outbreak of wildfires on the west coast, my initial thought is bed-wetting jerkoff pyro with daddy issues....
/my bed-wetting jerkoff pyro with daddy issues senses are tingling on this outbreak of fires in Oz, too...
According to the Daily Mail (UK), they are pretty sure it is arson... someone is resetting fires after the firefighters leave one area for another.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:03:10am |
thanks for the fruitcup {littleoldlady}. Much appreciated this morning.
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:03:37am |
re: #103 little blessing
Thank you for adding that. I was worried I had offended you and our other Aussie friends by chiding Crux. I just didn't think it was fair, like people blaming President Bush for Katrina.
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astronmr20 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:04:14am |
re: #113 stevieray
According to the Daily Mail (UK), they are pretty sure it is arson... someone is resetting fires after the firefighters leave one area for another.
Really?
That does not fit the arson profile to me... if someone is actually doing that.
Generally, Arsons sit back and watch it burn.... not re-set fires as firemen put them out.
Something is very fishy. Obviously....
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:04:21am |
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:04:59am |
re: #112 MrPaulRevere
I'm sorry- on me or the one I was replying to? Because I surely meant no disrespect for the victims.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:06:55am |
Someone posted in a previous thread about how they discovered terror plots for wildfires back in like 2003 or something. Maybe this is it?
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:07:32am |
re: #115 Sharmuta
Or like blaming the sun for shining or the wind for blowing. Not. Going. To. Help.
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astronmr20 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:08:47am |
re: #120 TheMatrix31
Someone posted in a previous thread about how they discovered terror plots for wildfires back in like 2003 or something. Maybe this is it?
I wonder if anyone can find a link to such.
However, if it's bad, and it can kill people, no doubt it has been considered and tossed around in Jihadi circles, so anything is possible.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:08:57am |
re: #120 TheMatrix31
Someone posted in a previous thread about how they discovered terror plots for wildfires back in like 2003 or something. Maybe this is it?
Terrorists plotted setting U.S. fires
Muslim bulletin boards advocated arson before California blazes
[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]
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littleoldlady Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:09:47am |
gmsc! :-)
BlueCanuck! :-)
Fenway! :-)
Sharmuta! :-)
Erik! :-)
BatGuano! :-)
Dustyvet! :-)
MrPaulRevere! :-)
stevieray! :-)
astronmr20! :-)
LGF! :-)
little blessing! :-)
This month's Hadassah magazine is all about Green Jews.
/AS IF we didn't have enough problems! ;-)
My prayers go out for all those in harm's way in Australia!
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:10:11am |
Littleoldlady, I want you to know that you are the main reason for me being on tonight. I didn't want you to worry about me.
/hoping you did!
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stevieray Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:10:17am |
re: #116 astronmr20
Really?
That does not fit the arson profile to me... if someone is actually doing that.
Generally, Arsons sit back and watch it burn.... not re-set fires as firemen put them out.
Something is very fishy. Obviously....
It may turn out to be arson by non-arsonists... i.e. not driven by mental disorder, but by ideology or political design. Arson ordered by a leader, set by followers.
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MrPaulRevere Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:10:25am |
re: #118 Sharmuta
I know that you didn't, and I'll leave it at that.
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littleoldlady Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:10:48am |
re: #127 little blessing
I absolutely did! Are you that close to the fires?
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:10:48am |
Islam group urges forest fire jihad
[Link: www.theage.com.au...]
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:11:14am |
re: #120 TheMatrix31
Someone posted in a previous thread about how they discovered terror plots for wildfires back in like 2003 or something. Maybe this is it?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:12:52am |
re: #126 littleoldlady
LGF! :-)
little blessing! :-)
This month's Hadassah magazine is all about Green Jews.
Uh-oh....I hate it when stuff goes green on me- did someone forget to check the expiration date?
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:12:54am |
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:13:58am |
re: #135 TheMatrix31
Dusty has an interesting link in No. 132 that is not WND.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:14:39am |
re: #124 Dustyvet
I think the moonbats blamed the 2003 or 2007 San Diego wildfires on Blackwater.
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:15:15am |
re: #131 littleoldlady
Closest one is burning an hour's drive away. Only one building remains standing and the entire town has been declared a crime zone while investigators start to try and find out what happened and how people died.
If the wind changes again, it can get a lot closer. Oh and we live only 15 minutes from the CBD.
The major Kinglake complex fire is 20 minutes from where we spent our holidays 2 months ago. Its close enough to home. In Melbourne there is a 3 week wait (so says my colleague) in order to give blood. Melbournians/Victorians are really coming together over this.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:15:35am |
re: #125 Sharmuta
That is NOT a reputable news source.
Whatever, I'm searching for prevoius threats of Islamic Radical threats for doing this.
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astronmr20 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:15:45am |
re: #129 stevieray
It may turn out to be arson by non-arsonists... i.e. not driven by mental disorder, but by ideology or political design. Arson ordered by a leader, set by followers.
Gee, I wonder what sort of religion or ideology you could be referring to?
Actually , anything is possible at this point, so I'll refrain from speculating too much.
However... resetting fires after they have been extinguished sounds like it goes way past the typical nutbag/ asshole/ anarchist/ firebug.
It reads "warfare" to me.
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gregg Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:16:05am |
I was thinking about the fires in Australia and realized that I have no idea how to survive in that situation. If you can't out run the advancing flames, are there any recommended survival techniques?
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smokefire Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:16:46am |
re: #34 abaleh
Good morning from smoggy and balmy Tel Aviv.
good morning from chilly, dark Putnam, CT.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:17:20am |
re: #137 Fenway_Nation
I think the moonbats blamed the 2003 or 2007 San Diego wildfires on Blackwater.
Typical Moon Bat Bull shit propaganda.
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:18:07am |
re: #141 gregg
I was thinking about the fires in Australia and realized that I have no idea how to survive in that situation. If you can't out run the advancing flames, are there any recommended survival techniques?
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littleoldlady Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:18:20am |
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astronmr20 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:18:46am |
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:19:27am |
re: #141 gregg Try and get behind the fire is possible. If not find low ground away from the flames since heat and smoke rise the lower you are as long as you aren't in a canyon chimineying O2 to the fire would be the safest spots. A low area behind the fire with no remaining fuel would be best.
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astronmr20 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:21:03am |
re: #147 Rustler
Try and get behind the fire is possible. If not find low ground away from the flames since heat and smoke rise the lower you are as long as you aren't in a canyon chimineying O2 to the fire would be the safest spots. A low area behind the fire with no remaining fuel would be best.
Indeed, but the intense heat and speed at which these spread is incredible. Reading some of the accounts almost sounds like the firebombing of Tokyo.
Horrible.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:21:09am |
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:21:39am |
re: #141 gregg
Those who choose to stay and defend their properties, attend CFA meetings and are told what to do. Some people have fire proof bunkers. It has saved some people this time around. However, there are times, like on Saturday, where a fire cannot be predicted and takes on a life of its own. All the preparation in the world won't help in such a case. Most of the victims had fire plans and knew what to do. It didn't help them.
This link has a Multimedia guide: How to deal with bushfires, that you might find helpful. Look under the heading "Towns under attack as fire rages". Its the last link under that heading.
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:22:42am |
re: #148 astronmr20 Gregg was asking for advice that's about the best I can give with high rapidly shifting winds if you are close it's in Gods hands. But your best off trying to find a way into previously burnt ground or a low lying area with little fuel for the fire.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:23:26am |
re: #143 Dustyvet
Of course, these were the same people who- upon hearing about a family burning to death in their car while trying to flee the wildfires- would comment on their KKKos of HuffPo circle-jerk 'These Californians love their cars to death, don't they!?'
/like they would've been better off waiting for a non-existant bus or trolley in the middle of a raging firestorm.
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:24:24am |
re: #146 astronmr20
If this was true, I would assume that there would be claims of responsibility. The ROP is big on claiming credit. So far we have heard nothing.
/Could be because whoever takes credit will have the wrath of most of Australia over their heads.
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astronmr20 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:24:28am |
re: #152 Fenway_Nation
Of course, these were the same people who- upon hearing about a family burning to death in their car while trying to flee the wildfires- would comment on their KKKos of HuffPo circle-jerk 'These Californians love their cars to death, don't they!?'
/like they would've been better off waiting for a non-existant bus or trolley in the middle of a raging firestorm.
Did someone actually say that?
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BatGuano Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:24:41am |
re: #104 gmsc
Yes, forget legal evidence. I have been following scientific evidence for years. Regardless of the scientific evidence in any discipline there are equally qualified individuals who interpret the same set of data in many different ways. I am am a layman and it is apparent to me that there is disagreement in the scientific community on the interpretation of any given data set.
My question is, should not scientific evidence lead to the same general conclusion rather than endless areas of debate of scientific interpretation.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:25:04am |
re: #138 little blessing
I lived north of the Hayman fire in Colorado in 2002, about an hour at one point. I don't know what preparations you've taken but, I kept all necessary documents, jewelry, photographs, et cet., packed and next to the door in case the winds picked up and we had to leave quickly. Do you have your stuff together?
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:25:11am |
[Link: www.whmentors.org...] Has some good tips gregg.
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:25:15am |
Good night, all!
I'm sleepy, but but my best wishes and thoughts will be with those affected by the wildfires in Australia.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:26:00am |
re: #152 Fenway_Nation
Of course, these were the same people who- upon hearing about a family burning to death in their car while trying to flee the wildfires- would comment on their KKKos of HuffPo circle-jerk 'These Californians love their cars to death, don't they!?'
/like they would've been better off waiting for a non-existant bus or trolley in the middle of a raging firestorm.
Yup, Huffpo, Koskids...collective IQ's of a brown paper bag full of manure.
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astronmr20 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:26:13am |
re: #153 little blessing
If this was true, I would assume that there would be claims of responsibility. The ROP is big on claiming credit. So far we have heard nothing.
/Could be because whoever takes credit will have the wrath of most of Australia over their heads.
I find it unlikely... but possible.
It was mentioned that whomever this is- is still trying to re-light the fires, so this could be an on-going mission if it's true.
...and just because no one has shouted Alahu Ackbar yet, doesn;t mean they don't prefer to keep quiet so they can do it again.
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:26:39am |
re: #156 MandyManners
Docs, Jewellery are in the fireproof safe. Photos on the other hand are not. We haven't been told that the city or suburbia is in danger but if that changes. I can get packed and out with the family within 10 minutes.
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gmsc Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:27:26am |
re: #155 BatGuano
Yes, forget legal evidence. I have been following scientific evidence for years. Regardless of the scientific evidence in any discipline there are equally qualified individuals who interpret the same set of data in many different ways. I am am a layman and it is apparent to me that there is disagreement in the scientific community on the interpretation of any given data set.
My question is, should not scientific evidence lead to the same general conclusion rather than endless areas of debate of scientific interpretation.
I'm off to sleep, as I mentioned, but check out The Certainty Site for some excellent food for thought about confidence in conclusions reached by thinking.
Good night!
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smokefire Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:27:32am |
re: #37 Fenway_Nation
Prayers go out to the Aussie fire crews trying to bring those monstrosities under control....
...what he said, be careful brothers/sisters.
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:28:20am |
re: #152 Fenway_Nation
Sad when the fact of the matter is if there is no other shelter in the area and its a grass rather than tree fire your probably safest parked in your car. Not trying to drive but using it as insulation until the main blaze passes you and you can get into the previous burnt area.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:28:22am |
re: #154 astronmr20
It was awhile ago and I'm not sure which blog it was on, but some troll actually wrote that.
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:29:04am |
re: #161 astronmr20
True but now they are not letting anyone back into fire affected areas even if they are under control, due to the deaths/crimes scenes. Therefore, at this stage, the only people re-lighting them would be firefighters. NOT. HAPPENING.
/although the Gippsland fire was started by a CFA volunteer who wanted some action. Go figure.
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smokefire Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:29:27am |
re: #160 abaleh
[Link: www.hadassah.org...]
Just in case you missed this in Hadassh magazine.
My dentist sent this to me.
Whenever I bitch about work, I think of these men and women, and stop bitching.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:30:58am |
G'day from Down Under to [everyone}
The bushfire tragedy is dominating our news as you can imagine
One man's account of survival....just horrific
I saw Gary Hughes and his wife interviewed tonight - he's a senior writer with the Australian
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So? Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:31:11am |
Learn about the times Charles Darwin lived in, his thoughts, what his life was really like. Interesting podcast to provide an inner glimpse on all the evolution threads over the past year.
[Link: speakingoffaith.publicradio.org...]
We'll take a fresh and thought-provoking look at Darwin's life and ideas. He did not argue against God but against a simple understanding of the world — its beauty, its brutality, and its unfolding creation.
As the bicentennial of Darwin's birth is celebrated, we seek to understand the world that formed him, and what his observations about the natural world really said about God. Darwin took religion seriously, but he understood creation as an unfolding process. He rejected the Victorian idea of a God who had fixed every detail — including every social flaw and injustice — at the beginning of time.
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smokefire Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:31:19am |
re: #167 little blessing
/although the Gippsland fire was started by a CFA volunteer who wanted some action. Go figure.
That is not that uncommon. Happens a lot in the States too.
No action, so lets make some action.
One word for it.
INSANITY.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:31:27am |
re: #162 little blessing
I don't know what officials have told you but, I was told that when I got the evacuation notice, I had to go THEN. I'm not telling you what to do but, you might want to consider packing now so that all you have to do is take your suitcases/boxes to the car as you load your family.
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astronmr20 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:33:08am |
re: #168 smokefire
[Link: www.hadassah.org...]
Just in case you missed this in Hadassh magazine.
My dentist sent this to me.
Whenever I bitch about work, I think of these men and women, and stop bitching.
I like how Hadassah calls it "political arson..."
Fucking Pali scum.
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:33:54am |
re: #173 MandyManners
There is no talk of even evacuating the city. If the fires come this way, the only place to go will be into the Port Phillip bay. Fires are burning, north, east and west of us. South lies the ocean.
Thanks for the heads up Mandy. I will definitely put something together.
/Better safe than sorry
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:34:36am |
re: #167 little blessing
True but now they are not letting anyone back into fire affected areas even if they are under control, due to the deaths/crimes scenes. Therefore, at this stage, the only people re-lighting them would be firefighters. NOT. HAPPENING.
/although the Gippsland fire was started by a CFA volunteer who wanted some action. Go figure.
The cause of the Hayman Fire: A federal forestry officer, Terry Barton, who claimed she was attempting to burn a letter from her estranged husband, set the fire inside a campfire ring within an area designated for no fires due to a severe drought. The fire quickly spread out of the campfire ring and eventually torched over 138,000 acres (560 km2) and burned across four different counties. A federal grand jury indicted Barton on four felony counts of arson.[2]
SNIP
Barton ultimately pleaded guilty to the arson charge[5] and was given a six year sentence in federal prison.[6] She was also ordered to reimburse the federal government $14.6 million. The State of Colorado originally sentenced Barton to 12 years in prison to run concurrently with the 6-year federal sentence. However the state sentence was overturned on appeal on grounds that the presiding judge had "the appearance of prejudice" because smoke from the fire motivated him to voluntarily leave his home for one night.[7] In March 2008, Barton was re-sentenced by a different judge to 15 years of probation.[8]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:34:42am |
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So? Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:35:09am |
re: #173 MandyManners
I don't know what officials have told you but, I was told that when I got the evacuation notice, I had to go THEN. I'm not telling you what to do but, you might want to consider packing now so that all you have to do is take your suitcases/boxes to the car as you load your family.
Question: do you ever sleep Mandy?
I wasn't able to fall asleep, so I opened my computer. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:35:52am |
re: #175 little blessing
There is no talk of even evacuating the city. If the fires come this way, the only place to go will be into the Port Phillip bay. Fires are burning, north, east and west of us. South lies the ocean.
Thanks for the heads up Mandy. I will definitely put something together.
/Better safe than sorry
Oh, golly.
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:35:58am |
re: #130 MrPaulRevere
I guess I don't know what to say. If I say I'm sorry I offended you, then it doesn't sound like a real apology. That comment offended my sensibilities, and I spoke up. I guess it's a failing of mine to not always know when to hold my tongue. You're one of the last people I want to offend. That I've done so causes me to be disappointed in myself.
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:36:02am |
re: #176 MandyManners
I remember hearing from mum about that one. We were already here in Australia by then.
Truth is that we get bushfires every summer. Its just never been so bad.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:37:15am |
re: #178 So?
Question: do you ever sleep Mandy?
I wasn't able to fall asleep, so I opened my computer. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I got about four hours last night. For no reason I can discern, I woke up about 2.5 hours early. At least I have some peace and quiet now.
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:38:22am |
Throughout history there is not a single Government that has not inevitably degenerated into one form or another of Oppression. Just as nature abhors a vacuum, the nature of politics and politicians abhors freedom and liberty.
Site has some good survival Info for various situations and some great quotes.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:39:48am |
re: #177 little blessing
Hey Aussiemagpie!
What's news in Sydney?
Hello {little blessing}
News in Sydney is all news from Victoria, with a bit thrown in about the fires burning in NSW - nothing too dangerous as yet, no threat to property - as yet
The scumbag who lit the Peats Ridge fire north of Sydney was actually caught - a passing motorist made a citizens arrest
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:41:38am |
re: #184 aussiemagpie
Good any word on if police are going to be staying in hte vicinity now as fires are put out to halt the person or persons responsible for restarting em? Or has confirmation come back that new flareups are a result of missed hotspots?
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:42:17am |
re: #179 MandyManners
This Your text to link... map isn't the greatest but shows where the fires are in relation to Melbourne and the rest of Victoria.
Melbourne is at the top of the Port Phillip Bay.
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gregg Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:44:44am |
Thanks everyone for the tips. Living in the Midwest, I know what to do for an approaching tornado, flood, blizzard, but had no idea what to do for a firestorm. I guess if I lived in an area where they were a threat, I'd be more knowledgeable. It struck me that a person's first inclination, to seek shelter, would probably be the wrong thing to do.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:47:43am |
re: #188 little blessing
This Your text to link... map isn't the greatest but shows where the fires are in relation to Melbourne and the rest of Victoria.
Melbourne is at the top of the Port Phillip Bay.
Are asthmatics staying inside?
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:48:43am |
re: #184 aussiemagpie
The scumbag who lit the Peats Ridge fire north of Sydney was actually caught - a passing motorist made a citizens arrest
That's too bad.....at least in the sense that the outcome wasn't more like what I posted back at #47...
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:49:52am |
re: #186 littleoldlady
Nope. If we have to evacuate by water I am sure there will be boats made available.
Thank you ALL for your support and comforting words. Please open your hearts and pray for the Survivors, the emergency services (especially the CFA) and the People of Victoria.
I'll try to check in tomorrow night so that Littleoldlady doesn't worry about me! ; )
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:50:56am |
re: #190 MandyManners
The wind has only now started blowing south. So far we haven't smelt or seen smoke. That may all change by tomorrow morning.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:51:20am |
re: #192 little blessing
Nope. If we have to evacuate by water I am sure there will be boats made available.
Thank you ALL for your support and comforting words. Please open your hearts and pray for the Survivors, the emergency services (especially the CFA) and the People of Victoria.
I'll try to check in tomorrow night so that Littleoldlady doesn't worry about me! ; )
God speed Little Blessing stay safe.
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littleoldlady Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:52:07am |
re: #192 little blessing
I'll try to check in tomorrow night so that Littleoldlady doesn't worry about me!
One of the many reasons that it's Not Easy Being Green Jewish! ;-)
TAKE CARE, little blessing!
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stevieray Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:52:50am |
re: #184 aussiemagpie
Hello {little blessing}
News in Sydney is all news from Victoria, with a bit thrown in about the fires burning in NSW - nothing too dangerous as yet, no threat to property - as yet
The scumbag who lit the Peats Ridge fire north of Sydney was actually caught - a passing motorist made a citizens arrest
Did they announce who it was, and why he did it?
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gregg Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:53:30am |
Are there any charitable relief efforts here in the U.S. for the victims of the fire?
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:53:48am |
They just increased the death toll.
RIP dear people.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:54:59am |
Teen charged with lighting fire
I don't know if this is the suspect Magpie's talking about, Peats Ridge is mentioned.
[Link: www.news.com.au...]
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little blessing Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:57:20am |
re: #197 gregg
Are there any charitable relief efforts here in the U.S. for the victims of the fire?
Here are some places/web sites that you can try but I don't know if anything has been set up in the states.
I remember that when California had their fires, our firefighters went to the US to help out as it was our winter and "quiet season." We could probably use a return of the favour now.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:01:17am |
re: #187 Rustler
Good any word on if police are going to be staying in hte vicinity now as fires are put out to halt the person or persons responsible for restarting em? Or has confirmation come back that new flareups are a result of missed hotspots?
From the Herald Sun
MORE than one arsonist would have been responsible for several of the blazes which erupted in Victoria over the weekend, a fire criminologist believes.
About half of all bush fires in Australia are deliberately lit by fire bugs, Australian National University research fellow Dr Damon Muller said.
Given up to 400 fires hit Victoria over the weekend at varying locations across the state, Dr Muller believes more than one arsonist was at work.
"Without putting a figure on it, it would be surprising if some of them were not deliberately lit, just by virtue of the significant number,'' Dr Muller said.
"And by virtue of the diversity of locations there is probably a number of perpetrators.''
Federal Attorney General Robert McClelland said Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's description of arsonists as "mass murderers'' in the circumstances was warranted and any offenders would be pursued with relevant murder charges
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:01:22am |
re: #193 little blessing
The wind has only now started blowing south. So far we haven't smelt or seen smoke. That may all change by tomorrow morning.
My mother has COPD so she was not allowed outside for a while. My yard had a lot of ash.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:02:06am |
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astronmr20 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:02:09am |
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:05:17am |
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:09:03am |
re: #191 Fenway_Nation
That's too bad.....at least in the sense that the outcome wasn't more like what I posted back at #47...
Yes I agree wholeheartedly! I also agree with your earlier comment about Algore and the like....here, the flames were still burning around Marysville and Kinglake and surrounding towns where most of the deaths occured, and our Greens Senator Brown was going on about climate change...
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:10:03am |
re: #202 aussiemagpie To bad Australia has to death penalty now Your gonna have a bunch of arsonist mass murderers living in jail while you all pay for it. I say gather all the convicted assholes up chum the bay and make em go for a swim.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:10:36am |
re: #196 stevieray
Did they announce who it was, and why he did it?
No word about him other that he remains in custody (no doubt for his own safety)
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:11:34am |
re: #211 aussiemagpie
No word about him other that he remains in custody (no doubt for his own safety)
So the teen mentioned in #199 is not the suspect in question?
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Erik The Red Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:12:11am |
A young couple got married and left on their honeymoon. When they got back, the bride immediately called her mother. Her mother asked, "How was the honeymoon?"
"Oh, mama," she replied, "the honeymoon was wonderful! So romantic..."
Suddenly she burst out crying. "But, mama, as soon as we returned Sam started using the most horrible language...things I'd never heard before! I mean, all these awful 4 letter words! You've got to come get me and take me home.... Please mama!"
"Sarah, Sarah," her mother said, "calm down! Tell me, what could be so awful? What 4-letter words?"
"Please don't make me tell you, mama," wept the daughter, "I'm so embarrassed they're just too awful! Come get me, please!"
"Darling, baby, you must tell me what has you so upset.... Tell your mother these horrible 4-letter words!"
Still sobbing, the bride said, "Oh, mama...words like DUST, WASH, IRON, COOK...!"
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:12:20am |
Well...I think it's time I got me some shuteye! Weet dreams, lizards!
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:12:39am |
Am I the only one who thinks Geithner looks like a frat rat interviewing for his first job out of college?
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:15:13am |
re: #199 Dustyvet
Teen charged with lighting fire
I don't know if this is the suspect Magpie's talking about, Peats Ridge is mentioned.
[Link: www.news.com.au...]
No, but at the end of the article the 31 year old is mentioned - who is suspected of lighting the Peats Ridge area
If you could see Peats Ridge - it's dry, scrubby bushland and often has bushfires - the danger of fires in this area is that it's close to heavily populated areas to the east, and can also travel along ridgelines into the northern suburbs of Sydney
The bast*rd must have been wanting this outcome, lighting fires during a heatwave and a drought
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:16:19am |
re: #215 MandyManners
If geithner is the only person who can fix this mess, then why is he waiting until now? Surely if some doctor had the cure to some epidemic, he would introduce it immediately, not wait for the new administration, right?
Why did he not to to Bush and say, I am the only one who can fix this, listen to what I have to say?
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:16:33am |
I posted this the other day but it still gives me a big smile.
The IRS decides to audit Grandpa, and summons him to the
IRS office. The IRS auditor was not surprised when Grandpa showed up
with his attorney.
The auditor said, 'Well, sir, you have an extravagant
lifestyle and no full-time employment, Which you explain
by saying that you win money gambling. I'm not sure the IRS finds that *
believable.'
I'm a great gambler, and I can prove it ,' says Grandpa. 'How about a demonstration?'
The auditor thinks for a moment and said, 'Okay. Go ahead.'
Grandpa says, 'I'll bet you a thousand dollars that I can bite my own eye.'
The auditor thinks a moment and says, 'It's a bet.'
Grandpa removes his glass eye and bites it. The auditor's jaw drops.
Grandpa says, 'Now, I'll bet you two thousand dollars that I can bite *
my other eye.'
Now the auditor can tell Grandpa isn't blind, so he takes the bet.
Grandpa removes his dentures and bites his good eye.
The stunned auditor now realizes he has wagered and lost three grand,
with Grandpa's attorney as a witness. He starts to get nervous.
'Want to go double or nothing?' Grandpa asks. 'I'll bet you six
thousand dollars that I can stand on one side of your desk, and pee
into that wastebasket on the other side, and never get a drop anywhere
in between..'
The auditor, twice burned, is cautious now, but he looks
carefully and decides there's no way this old guy could possibly
manage that stunt, so he agrees again.
Grandpa stands beside the desk and unzips his pants, but although he
strains mightily, he can't make the stream reach the wastebasket on
the other side, so he pretty much urinates all over the auditor's desk.
The auditor leaps with joy, realizing that he has just turned a major
loss into a huge win.
But Grandpa's own attorney moans and puts his head in his hands.
'Are you okay?' the auditor asks.
'Not really,' says the attorney. 'This morning, when Grandpa told me
he'd been summoned for an audit, he bet me twenty-five thousand
dollars that he could come in here and pee all over your desk and that
you'd be happy about it!'
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:17:02am |
re: #210 Rustler
To bad Australia has to death penalty now Your gonna have a bunch of arsonist mass murderers living in jail while you all pay for it. I say gather all the convicted assholes up chum the bay and make em go for a swim.
Plenty of us agree.....
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:17:30am |
re: #217 aussiemagpie
No, but at the end of the article the 31 year old is mentioned - who is suspected of lighting the Peats Ridge area
If you could see Peats Ridge - it's dry, scrubby bushland and often has bushfires - the danger of fires in this area is that it's close to heavily populated areas to the east, and can also travel along ridgelines into the northern suburbs of Sydney
The bast*rd must have been wanting this outcome, lighting fires during a heatwave and a drought
Thanks... Mags.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:18:03am |
re: #218 rightside
If geithner is the only person who can fix this mess, then why is he waiting until now? Surely if some doctor had the cure to some epidemic, he would introduce it immediately, not wait for the new administration, right?
Why did he not to to Bush and say, I am the only one who can fix this, listen to what I have to say?
Was he in position at his old job to approach the president? Was he under the authority of someone whom he had to go through first?
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:20:34am |
re: #223 MandyManners
I think so, but my point really is, if him or others know how to fix it, wouldn't they have looked like heroes months ago?
And if govt is the only one who can fix it, and they know exactly how it happened, then how did we get into a recession in the first place?
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:21:34am |
re: #221 aussiemagpie
Plenty of us agree.....
The last person executed in Australia was Ronald Ryan in 1967.
Australia is a federation of States. The Federal Government abolished the death penalty in 1973: Death Penalty Abolition Act 1973 (Cth). All Australian States and Territories have abolished the death penalty.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:22:15am |
re: #222 Dustyvet
Thanks... Mags.
It's been rather distressing for us Aussies - this has been an absolute disaster, and that Peats Ridge scumbag may have, on any other day without the Victorian disaster, enjoyed a lenient penalty, maybe probation and counselling - now he'll be lucky to stay breathing when he gets out
There is a LOT of anger
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:23:25am |
WOW.
Geithner's father, Peter, worked with CBBHO's mother in the 80s.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:23:41am |
re: #225 Dustyvet
The last person executed in Australia was Ronald Ryan in 1967.
Australia is a federation of States. The Federal Government abolished the death penalty in 1973: Death Penalty Abolition Act 1973 (Cth). All Australian States and Territories have abolished the death penalty.
I'm showing my age - I remember the execution....
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:24:09am |
re: #224 rightside
I think so, but my point really is, if him or others know how to fix it, wouldn't they have looked like heroes months ago?
And if govt is the only one who can fix it, and they know exactly how it happened, then how did we get into a recession in the first place?
You're forgetting the Cloward-Piven Strategy of manufactured crisis.
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:24:55am |
re: #225 Dustyvet I'm pretty sure Aussie knows that there isn't a DP in Australia I even mentioned it in the post she aggreed with. What the rule of the law is and what people feel should happen are 2 totally different things but imagining terrible things happing to terrible people sometimes helps deal with grief.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:25:02am |
re: #226 aussiemagpie
It's been rather distressing for us Aussies - this has been an absolute disaster, and that Peats Ridge scumbag may have, on any other day without the Victorian disaster, enjoyed a lenient penalty, maybe probation and counseling - now he'll be lucky to stay breathing when he gets out
There is a LOT of anger
My heart and prayers go out to all Australia
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:25:26am |
re: #230 MandyManners
That's true. Why can't 54% of the country see that?
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astronmr20 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:26:00am |
re: #228 MandyManners
WOW.
Geithner's father, Peter, worked with CBBHO's mother in the 80s.
Holy SHit!
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:27:14am |
re: #233 rightside
Cause south park is wrong it's more than 25% of americans that are "retards"(hate the word but it is the one used) I'd say the number must be approaching 35% and the other 19% just hate the country that allows them the freedoms to hate their country.
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summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:28:26am |
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:28:55am |
re: #233 rightside
That's true. Why can't 54% of the country see that?
How many people have even heard of Cloward-Piven?
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astronmr20 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:28:58am |
re: #237 summergurl
amazing info - it's a small world
Indeed,
But apparently Barack's world is VERY small.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:29:15am |
re: #229 aussiemagpie
I'm showing my age - I remember the execution....
I was just reading what he was executed for, article also states he was an arsonist.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:29:21am |
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astronmr20 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:29:53am |
Well, I'm off to get a few z's. Should have gone to bed ages ago.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:34:14am |
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:35:10am |
re: #238 MandyManners
I haven't til just recently, but I can think for myself, and can see a complete fraud when I see or hear one.
The election was the antithesis of MLK's I have a dream speech.
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Erik The Red Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:36:05am |
A ventriloquist was driving through the midwest when his car broke down. He walked a ways and found a farmer who would let him use his phone. Well, the farmer seemed to be a real stereotypical rural type, so the ventriloquist thought it would be possible to have some fun with him. The farmer began to lead him back to the house.
Along the way, they passed a horse. The ventriloquist said to the farmer, "Is this your horse?" The farmer replied, "Yep." The ventriloquist asked, "Can he talk?" The farmer said, "Nope." The ventriloquist then said to the horse, "So, how do you like it here?" He then threw his voice, and said in a horse-like voice, "Oh, it's pretty good. Every morning the farmer feeds me oats." Upon hearing this the farmer was startled and quickened his pace.
Soon they came to a cow. The ventriloquist asked, "Is this your cow?" and the farmer replied, "Yep." He then asked, "Does it talk?" and the farmer replied, "I..I don't think so." The ventriloquist asked the cow, "How do you like it here?" and threw his voice again. In a cow-like voice, he said, "Oh, I like it just fine. Every morning the farmer comes and milks me." Upon hearing this, the farmer squirmed. He looked down at the ground and continued walking.
Soon they came to some sheep. The ventriloquist asked, "Are these your sheep?" and the farmer replied, "Yep." He then asked, "Do they talk?" and the farmer exclaimed, "Yes, but they lie!"
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Erik The Red Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:38:09am |
Five surgeons are discussing who makes the best patients on the operating table.
The first surgeon says, "I like to see accountants on my operating table, because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered."
The second responds, "Yeah, but you should try electricians! Everything inside them is color coded."
The third surgeon says, "No, I really think librarians are the best; everything inside them is in alphabetical order."
The fourth surgeon chimes in: "You know, I like construction workers...those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over at the end, and when the job takes longer than you said it would."
But the fifth surgeon shut them all up when he observed: "You're all wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts, no heart, and no spine, and the head and butt are interchangeable."
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Luigi Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:39:04am |
Charming.
While Barry O is sweet talking the world's worst despots, he uses a general -- the commander of American troops in South Korea -- to tell the North Koreans we might make war on them if they test a long range missile.
US warns North Korea over missile
The commander of US forces in South Korea has said he has not ruled out a military response if North Korea test-fires a long-range missile
"he has not ruled out a military response " HE?
I'm not certain, but I think having a active military general on the ground in the war zone make such a threat is very unusual in diplomacy. I think it is unusually belligerent and provocative.
Not to mention extremely rude since the guy is standing in someone else's country -- South Korea.
This rhetoric should have come from either Obama himself or from Hillary. I'll bet neither one of them wanted to say something that unfriendly to the North Korean leader, who is the sort of guy they think they can charm by showing them they are not George Bush. If this is what they wanted to tell the guy then having a military general on the ground in North Koren do it is totally ass backwards.
The NK's may believe they are dealing with a Paton style rouge who is about to make a move on his own. Or, they may think the Obama administration are amateurs and that may encourage them to do just about anything they want. That's what the Russians are doing.
*/ Have a nice day.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:39:06am |
re: #244 rightside
I haven't til just recently, but I can think for myself, and can see a complete fraud when I see or hear one.
The election was the antithesis of MLK's I have a dream speech.
Even Fox is jumping on the "Blame Wall Street" bandwagon when it was the Democrats who built this house of cards in the first place.
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gregg Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:39:51am |
Hopefully, U.S. corporations are learning a lesson about taking/expecting government aid:
General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC may have to be forced into bankruptcy by the U.S. government to assure repayment of $17.4 billion in federal bailout loans, a course of action the automakers claim would destroy them.
U.S. taxpayers currently take a backseat to prior creditors, including Citigroup Inc., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc., according to loan agreements posted on the U.S. Treasury’s Web site. The government has hired a law firm to help establish its place at the front of the line for repayment, two people involved in the work said last week.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:40:22am |
re: #245 Erik The Red
A ventriloquist was driving through the midwest when his car broke down. He walked a ways and found a farmer who would let him use his phone. Well, the farmer seemed to be a real stereotypical rural type, so the ventriloquist thought it would be possible to have some fun with him. The farmer began to lead him back to the house.
Along the way, they passed a horse. The ventriloquist said to the farmer, "Is this your horse?" The farmer replied, "Yep." The ventriloquist asked, "Can he talk?" The farmer said, "Nope." The ventriloquist then said to the horse, "So, how do you like it here?" He then threw his voice, and said in a horse-like voice, "Oh, it's pretty good. Every morning the farmer feeds me oats." Upon hearing this the farmer was startled and quickened his pace.
Soon they came to a cow. The ventriloquist asked, "Is this your cow?" and the farmer replied, "Yep." He then asked, "Does it talk?" and the farmer replied, "I..I don't think so." The ventriloquist asked the cow, "How do you like it here?" and threw his voice again. In a cow-like voice, he said, "Oh, I like it just fine. Every morning the farmer comes and milks me." Upon hearing this, the farmer squirmed. He looked down at the ground and continued walking.
Soon they came to some sheep. The ventriloquist asked, "Are these your sheep?" and the farmer replied, "Yep." He then asked, "Do they talk?" and the farmer exclaimed, "Yes, but they lie!"
Stop your killing me...look I'm bleating...:)
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:42:19am |
re: #243 MandyManners
Used by south park. And I used it because it was part of the quote.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:42:23am |
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:43:18am |
re: #248 MandyManners
And aren't they talking about loosening the requirements for mortgages again now?
in⋅san⋅i⋅ty:noun
democrat policies applied repeatedly, despite their being harmful to Americans.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:43:40am |
re: #252 BlueCanuck
Didn't we spin this yarn earlier?
Looking at hole in wool coat...and looking sheepish...
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:43:48am |
re: #232 Dustyvet
My heart and prayers go out to all Australia
Dustyvet
I'm just watching a news special programme on the bushfire tragedy and I'm crying..those poor people
And now there are looters! Words fail me...
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:45:08am |
re: #255 aussiemagpie
Dustyvet
I'm just watching a news special programme on the bushfire tragedy and I'm crying..those poor people
And now there are looters! Words fail me...
I weep with you...I'm so very sorry...:*(
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:45:17am |
re: #249 gregg
The government has hired a law firm to help establish its place at the front of the line for repayment
Is it Baker & Hostetler LLP?
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:46:18am |
re: #253 rightside
And aren't they talking about loosening the requirements for mortgages again now?
in⋅san⋅i⋅ty:noundemocrat policies applied repeatedly, despite their being harmful to Americans.
Sounds like classic Cloward-Piven to me.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:46:49am |
re: #255 aussiemagpie
Looters? Too bad you can't deal with them like you would vermin.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:46:50am |
re: #240 Dustyvet
I was just reading what he was executed for, article also states he was an arsonist.
Goodness I didn't know that - knew he was a crook, and that he killed a prison officer
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:47:35am |
re: #255 aussiemagpie That's a big problem with liberal cultures where people are raised believing they are entitled and owed. When general rule of law falters in an area they take it upon themselves to claim what they believe and were told they were owed.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:49:14am |
re: #260 aussiemagpie
Goodness I didn't know that - knew he was a crook, and that he killed a prison officer
Don't know if you care to read it, but here's the link
[Link: www.adb.online.anu.edu.au...]
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:51:32am |
re: #261 Rustler
We had the Same problem around NO after Katrina not denigrating Aussies. Oddly enough most of the looting problems after Katrina were in the NO area. The Texans who evacuated at the same time had a small number of people trying to loot but most of them were rapidly caught as police made last trips to ensure all got out.
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abaleh Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:52:04am |
re: #247 Luigi
Charming.
While Barry O is sweet talking the world's worst despots, he uses a general -- the commander of American troops in South Korea -- to tell the North Koreans we might make war on them if they test a long range missile.
US warns North Korea over missile
"he has not ruled out a military response " HE?
I'm not certain, but I think having a active military general on the ground in the war zone make such a threat is very unusual in diplomacy. I think it is unusually belligerent and provocative.
Not to mention extremely rude since the guy is standing in someone else's country -- South Korea.
This rhetoric should have come from either Obama himself or from Hillary. I'll bet neither one of them wanted to say something that unfriendly to the North Korean leader, who is the sort of guy they think they can charm by showing them they are not George Bush. If this is what they wanted to tell the guy then having a military general on the ground in North Koren do it is totally ass backwards.
The NK's may believe they are dealing with a Paton style rouge who is about to make a move on his own. Or, they may think the Obama administration are amateurs and that may encourage them to do just about anything they want. That's what the Russians are doing.
*/ Have a nice day.
It looks like the missile launch could be a satellite launch, with the NKs releasing a statement about their right to exploit space for peaceful purposes.
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:53:02am |
re: #255 aussiemagpie
The looters can get on the Boat with the Arsonists. The have become accomplises. Treat em like a team of robbers in which one of the team commits a murder in hte Commision of hte robbery and so all are held responsible for the deaths.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:53:10am |
re: #256 Dustyvet
I weep with you...I'm so very sorry...:*(
Thanks Dustyvet, now there's a bloke who videoed himself fighting the fire at his home, his house on fire, car on fire, but his dog was saved
He saved 12 people in his town.....a hero
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:54:01am |
re: #253 rightside
No matter where the strategy is implemented, it shares the following features:
The offensive organizes previously unorganized groups eligible for government benefits but not currently receiving all they can.
The offensive seeks to identify new beneficiaries and/or create new benefits.
The overarching aim is always to impose new stresses on target systems, with the ultimate goal of forcing their collapse.
SNIP
A 1995 strengthening of the Community Reinvestment Act required banks to find ways to provide mortgages to their poorer communities. It also let community activists intervene at yearly bank reviews, shaking the banks down for large pots of money.
Banks that got poor reviews were punished; some saw their merger plans frustrated; others faced direct legal challenges by the Justice Department.
Flexible lending programs expanded even though they had higher default rates than loans with traditional standards. On the Web, you can still find CRA loans available via ACORN with "100 percent financing . . . no credit scores . . . undocumented income . . . even if you don't report it on your tax returns." Credit counseling is required, of course.
SNIP
Investor's Business Daily added:
The revisions also allowed for the first time the securitization of CRA-regulated loans containing subprime mortgages. The changes came as radical "housing rights" groups led by ACORN lobbied for such loans. ACORN at the time was represented by a young public-interest lawyer in Chicago by the name of Barack Obama. (Emphasis, mine.)
Since these loans were to be underwritten by the government sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the implicit government guarantee of those loans absolved lenders, mortgage bundlers and investors of any concern over the obvious risk. As Bloomberg reported: "It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit."
And if you think Washington policy makers cared about ACORN's negative influence, think again. Before this whole mess came down, a Democrat-sponsored bill on the table would have created an "Affordable Housing Trust Fund," granting ACORN access to approximately $500 million in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac revenues with little or no oversight.
SNIP
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gregg Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:54:51am |
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:56:37am |
Speaking of Heroes "Sully" Sulenberger the Miracle on the Hudson pilot feels uncomfortable when people hail him as a hero. He can understand why they may want to but doesn't believe himself worthy of the title. Given Sully and the Aussie pilot who recently executed a water landing I think it was outside Sydney does anyone think Airlines might start encouraging Glider training for Pilots. Both Sully and the Aussie had Glider experience which likely had a large effect on their ability to safely land these montrosities without engine power.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:57:07am |
re: #259 BlueCanuck
Looters? Too bad you can't deal with them like you would vermin.
Now that would be the preferable way- normally I would never think like this, but something has changed here - I just can't see any more softly softly penalties handed out to these scumbags by bleeding heart magistrates - but then again, I will most likely be disappointed again
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:57:22am |
Malki: Hamas trying to influence election with rocket attacks
Hamas is trying to influence the outcome of this week's election by continuing to fire rockets into southern Israel, Palestinian Authority Foreign Minister Riad Malki said Monday.
Malki added that Hamas does not want to see a pro-peace government elected in Israel during Tuesday's parliamentary vote, as it would pursue a political deal with the Palestinian Authority.
Just how stupid do the arabs think the Israelis are?
Well, guess what - it seems to be pretty much a dead heat between Kadima (23) and Likud (26) for which party will win the most seats in tomorrow's election, according to the polls.
Hmmmm....pretty stupid?
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gregg Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:57:30am |
re: #266 aussiemagpie
Thanks Dustyvet, now there's a bloke who videoed himself fighting the fire at his home, his house on fire, car on fire, but his dog was saved
He saved 12 people in his town.....a hero
I think we all hope that we could be that selfless in a similar situation, but very few of us succeed.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:58:47am |
re: #261 Rustler
That's a big problem with liberal cultures where people are raised believing they are entitled and owed. When general rule of law falters in an area they take it upon themselves to claim what they believe and were told they were owed.
These people are scum - and I hope there aren't too many instances of this
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:01:20am |
re: #262 Dustyvet
Don't know if you care to read it, but here's the link
[Link: www.adb.online.anu.edu.au...]
Thanks for the link, and what a good site - I've saved it :-)
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:02:56am |
re: #265 Rustler
The looters can get on the Boat with the Arsonists. The have become accomplises. Treat em like a team of robbers in which one of the team commits a murder in hte Commision of hte robbery and so all are held responsible for the deaths.
You've got quite an imagination there :-)
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:03:38am |
re: #268 gregg
Looks like it. Is that significant?
Per the link I already posted and the link below, the firm seems to represent quite a few MFM outlets.
[Link: www.bakerlaw.com...]
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:05:02am |
re: #271 Spare O'Lake
Malki: Hamas trying to influence election with rocket attacks
Just how stupid do the arabs think the Israelis are?
Well, guess what - it seems to be pretty much a dead heat between Kadima (23) and Likud (26) for which party will win the most seats in tomorrow's election, according to the polls.
Hmmmm....pretty stupid?
Malki added that Hamas does not want to see a pro-peace government elected in Israel during Tuesday's parliamentary vote, as it would pursue a political deal with the Palestinian Authority.
I hope the voters listen to Hamas.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:07:20am |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:08:19am |
What kind of crazed, bloodthirsty, hate-filled people would deliberately set the Australian brushfires?
...
..
.
*unmentionable sneaking suspicion*
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:09:19am |
re: #276 aussiemagpie
You've got quite an imagination there :-)
"And they sang and they danced, as they shoved a Gator in the looters pants...Snap..."
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Crossie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:10:37am |
re: #53 gmsc
Isn't today (February 9, 2009) Tu B'Shevat? Judging from the news we're hearing all around the world, planting a tree seems like a good idea, and expresses some much-needed faith in the future.
Plant anything except a gum tree (eucalyptus). Those things are stationary incendiary devices.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:10:48am |
re: #280 Spare O'Lake
What kind of crazed, bloodthirsty, hate-filled people would deliberately set the Australian brushfires?
...
..
.
*unmentionable sneaking suspicion*
There are some interesting links above, Nos. 124 and 132. The former is WND, though, so make sure you have your grain of salt handy.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:11:51am |
re: #282 Crossie
How are the kangaroos and koala bears faring?
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Pietr Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:12:43am |
Good Morning, Lizard Nation....64F and drizzling here in San Antonio.
Here's a change up, for ya'll:
A successful rancher died and left everything to his devoted wife. She was
a very good-looking woman and determined to keep the ranch, but knew very
little about ranching, so she decided to place an ad in the newspaper for a
ranch hand. Two cowboys applied for the job. One was gay and the other a
drunk. She thought long and hard about it, and when no one else applied she
decided to hire the gay guy, figuring it would be safer to have him around
the house than the drunk. He proved to be a hard worker who put in long
hours every day and knew a lot about ranching. For weeks, the two of them
worked, and the ranch was doing very well. Then one day, the rancher's
widow
said to the hired hand, 'You have done a really good job, and the ranch
looks great. You should go into town and kick up your heels.' The hired
hand readily agreed and went into town one Saturday night. One o'clock
came,
however, and he didn't return. Two o'clock and no hired hand. Finally
he
returned around two-thirty, and upon entering the room, he found the
rancher's widow sitting by the fireplace with a glass of wine, waiting for
him.
She quietly called him over to her.
'Unbutton my blouse and take it off,' she said.
Trembling, he did as she directed.
'Now take off my boots.'
He did as she asked, ever so slowly.
'Now take off my socks.'
He removed each gently and placed them neatly by her boots.
'Now take off my skirt'
He slowly unbuttoned it, constantly watching her eyes in the fire light.
'Now take off my bra.'
Again, with trembling hands, he did as he was told and dropped it to the
floor. Then she looked at him and said, 'If you ever wear my clothes into
town again, you're fired.'
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hiney von pewps Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:15:16am |
charles,
i'm new here and i'm experiencing a technical clitch. once a thread gets out past 500 or so posts, i cant get back into the comments. i try the "jump to the bottom" button and it dumps me out to the main page. i'm using the latest version of firefox.
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monkeytime Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:16:51am |
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:17:07am |
re: #282 Crossie Yeah here in the US we have a whole family of conifers which like the Eucalyptus tree produce a highly flamable resin pitch. They burn really hot really fast and have these nice convenient pitch filled needles instead of leaves which just helps the combustion process.
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:17:18am |
re: #288 hiney von pewps
I can only imagine what your avatar (should you choose one) would look like... ;^)
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3 wood Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:18:34am |
Good morning.
Look for the market to open down as speculators sell off Friday's rally and the President spends the day bashing the economy to drum up political support for his plan to take over the economy.
The futures are down fractionally, the Nikkei was down, while the Hang Seng was up.
In the mean time, the Democrats spent half a million of our tax dollars on a weekend retreat for themselves, complete with hot tubs, back rubs and facials (just imagine the sight of Pelosi laying there in a towel getting a back rub, eh?) to figure out how best to spend even more money.
And our President flew Airforce 1 there to party with them too. So much for having the common touch and being concerned about the environment.
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Crux Australis Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:18:36am |
re: #284 MandyManners
How are the kangaroos and koala bears faring?
The kangaroos probably could escape the fires - they can travel at 40-50 miles/hours for short periods. The koalas probably not. Not happy.
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Pietr Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:19:05am |
re: #288 hiney von pewps
charles,
i'm new here and i'm experiencing a technical clitch. once a thread gets out past 500 or so posts, i cant get back into the comments. i try the "jump to the bottom" button and it dumps me out to the main page. i'm using the latest version of firefox.
Have you tried a page refresh? Sometimes the hamsters screw up.....
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monkeytime Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:19:56am |
re: #293 Crux Australis
The kangaroos probably could escape the fires - they can travel at 40-50 miles/hours for short periods. The koalas probably not. Not happy.
I'm so sorry. This situation seems to just get worse and worse. I heard that they caught two of the arsonist - is that correct.
Prays straight up for you down under. :>(
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:20:07am |
re: #292 3 wood
Good morning 3 Wood. Do you think the porkulus bill will pass today?
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:20:30am |
re: #287 rightside
Did you read the IBD link?
So everybody won until everybody lost, including the minorities the government originally mandated the banks to serve.
The original culprits in all this were the social engineers who compelled banks to make the bad loans. The private sector has no business conducting social experiments on behalf of government. Its business is making profit. Period. So it did what it naturally does and turned the subprime social mandate into a lucrative industry.
Of course, it was a Ponzi scheme, because they weren't allowed to play by their rules. The government changed the rules for risk.
In order to put low-income minorities into home loans, they were ordered to suspend lending standards that had served the banking industry well for centuries. No one wants to talk about it, so they just scapegoat Wall Street. Even John McCain has joined the Democrat chorus on this.
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abaleh Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:20:50am |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:21:08am |
re: #283 MandyManners
There are some interesting links above, Nos. 124 and 132. The former is WND, though, so make sure you have your grain of salt handy.
Thanks. Grain of salt for sure.
But I can't help being reminded of past arson incidents in Israel wherein national forests were intentionally set ablaze, allegedly by arabs.
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:21:34am |
re: #292 3 wood Thanks now for a little Brain Bleach.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:21:52am |
re: #287 rightside
Also, notice how CBBHO has "capped" CEO salaries. And, remember what Barney Frank has said about "capping" CEO salaries in unrelated sectors.
It's a full-out attack on Capitalism.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:22:39am |
re: #278 MandyManners
Malki added that Hamas does not want to see a pro-peace government elected in Israel during Tuesday's parliamentary vote, as it would pursue a political deal with the Palestinian Authority.
I hope the voters listen to Hamas.
Me too. Let's hope the polls are wrong.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:22:47am |
re: #269 Rustler
Speaking of Heroes "Sully" Sulenberger the Miracle on the Hudson pilot feels uncomfortable when people hail him as a hero. He can understand why they may want to but doesn't believe himself worthy of the title. Given Sully and the Aussie pilot who recently executed a water landing I think it was outside Sydney does anyone think Airlines might start encouraging Glider training for Pilots. Both Sully and the Aussie had Glider experience which likely had a large effect on their ability to safely land these montrosities without engine power.
This pilot ditched in Darwin Harbour, all 6 people on board safe
At least the water was a bit warmer than the Hudson River!
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jcbunga Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:23:19am |
Hey, The One is having a press conference later.
I wonder if the MSM smells blood or will they try to rehab him.
He's not very good off the cuff. This could be interesting.
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Pietr Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:24:16am |
Two elderly women were eating breakfast in a restaurant one morning. Ethel
noticed something funny about Mabel's ear and she said, ''Mabel, do you know you've got a suppository in your left ear?'
Mabel answered, 'I have a suppository in my ear?'
She pulled it out and stared at it.
Then she said, 'Ethel, I'm glad you saw this thing. Now I think I know where to find my hearing aid.'
********************************************************************
When the husband finally died his wife put the usual death notice in the paper, but added that he died of gonorrhea.
No sooner were the papers delivered when a friend of the family phoned and complained bitterly, 'You know very well that he died of diarrhea, not
gonorrhea.'
Replied the widow, 'I nursed him night and day so of course I know he died of diarrhea, but I thought it would be better for posterity to remember him as a great lover rather than the big s**t he always was.'
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:24:36am |
re: #293 Crux Australis
The kangaroos probably could escape the fires - they can travel at 40-50 miles/hours for short periods. The koalas probably not. Not happy.
I've heard they're not as cuddly as they look.
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3 wood Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:24:51am |
re: #297 Jetpilot1101
re: #292 3 woodGood morning 3 Wood. Do you think the porkulus bill will pass today?
Today or tomorrow.
With the 3 RINO's supporting it, there is no way to stop it in the Senate.
We are selling out our kids and grandkids futures.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:25:08am |
re: #272 gregg
I think we all hope that we could be that selfless in a similar situation, but very few of us succeed.
Gregg, I watched this blokes video and I just could not even imagine doing what he was doing, and describing his actions as well
He was on fire at one stage, just calmly swatted out the flames on his sleeve
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:25:36am |
re: #300 Spare O'Lake
Thanks. Grain of salt for sure.
But I can't help being reminded of past arson incidents in Israel wherein national forests were intentionally set ablaze, allegedly by arabs.
Nothing would surprise me anymore.
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:25:43am |
Bulletproof Suit, are you kidding me?
And a Colombian fashion designer whose bullet-resistant line of clothing has been dubbed the “Armani of Armor,” drew international attention after Obama reportedly wore a bullet-resistant suit at last month’s Inauguration.
This blows me away. Does Obama's ego know no bounds? I can't remember any president wearing a bulletproof suit but if I am wrong, please correct me.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:27:38am |
re: #273 littleoldlady
{[{aussie!}]}
Oy.
{littleoldlady}, missed the fruitcup because I was having a nanna nap :-)
Hard day at work :-)
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:28:07am |
re: #304 Spare O'Lake
Me too. Let's hope the polls are wrong.
I hate to say this but, I hope the rockets keep on falling during polling times.
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:28:11am |
re: #298 MandyManners
Yes and thank you. I also see the date on that. I printed it out for all my co-workers to read. Fortunately, I am surrounded by like-minded persons, and don't have to listen to droning moonbattery.
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:28:51am |
re: #309 3 wood
Today or tomorrow.
With the 3 RINO's supporting it, there is no way to stop it in the Senate.
We are selling out our kids and grandkids futures.
It will take us years to dig out from under this mess. The only light I see at the end of the tunnel when I look beyond the train is Obama as a one term president and possibly the dems losing power in Congress in 2010.
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:28:52am |
re: #305 aussiemagpie Ahh so it was near Darwin not Sydney? Wasn't sure only pics I saw showed the ocean and beach no real landmarks. He also touched down in much shallower water.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:29:14am |
re: #281 Dustyvet
"And they sang and they danced, as they shoved a Gator in the looters pants...Snap..."
AND so have you :-)
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3 wood Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:29:19am |
I heard an interview on the radio this morning with someone who was saying that their unemployment benefits were running out and he had a question for the President, what should this person do when his benefits ran out and what was the President going to do about it? I noticed that the unemployed person being interviewed seemed to have the mindset that somebody else, such as the government, was supposed to take care of him.
There are quite a few people out their like that now, I guess, and Obama is playing to that audience.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:29:54am |
re: #312 Jetpilot1101
Bulletproof Suit, are you kidding me?
This blows me away. Does Obama's ego know no bounds? I can't remember any president wearing a bulletproof suit but if I am wrong, please correct me.
Actually, this does not surprise me. I can remember no other president who has elicited the death threats that he has this early in his term. I despise CBBHO but, I want him to stay safe.
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:30:21am |
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Pietr Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:30:30am |
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:30:39am |
re: #317 rightside
Yes and thank you. I also see the date on that. I printed it out for all my co-workers to read. Fortunately, I am surrounded by like-minded persons, and don't have to listen to droning moonbattery.
Do you know any moonbats to send the links to?
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:30:54am |
re: #312 Jetpilot1101
Bulletproof Suit, are you kidding me?
This blows me away. Does Obama's ego know no bounds? I can't remember any president wearing a bulletproof suit but if I am wrong, please correct me.
bullet resistant wont mean much at 3000ft per second....jus sayin
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:32:03am |
re: #302 MandyManners
Obviously ridiculous, but if we're going to cap salaries, we should start in hollyweird.
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Jim in Virginia Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:32:40am |
re: #317 rightside
Yes and thank you. I also see the date on that. I printed it out for all my co-workers to read. Fortunately, I am surrounded by like-minded persons, and don't have to listen to droning moonbattery.
What? A moonbat shortage in your neck of the woods? I'm shocked.
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3 wood Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:32:45am |
re: #318 Jetpilot1101
It will take us years to dig out from under this mess. The only light I see at the end of the tunnel when I look beyond the train is Obama as a one term president and possibly the dems losing power in Congress in 2010.
This reminds me so much of the Carter years, the apologetic foreign policy, the negativity about the future, the constant bashing of the economy, the intent to make everyone a ward of the State, the arrogance of the controlling Democrats.
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:33:28am |
re: #327 rightside They want to cap CEO salaries but didn't they just vote themselves a significant payraise?
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:33:52am |
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:34:08am |
re: #321 3 wood
A permanent class of people completely dependent on the government for support is a really bad thing. Our current education system doesn't help either.
OT: I was in a local elementary school this weekend. MY church has been meeting there for the past 4 years. In all that time, never have I seen one picture of George Bush. This Sunday, I walked in and right as you walk in is a huge poster of Barrack Obama with the word "Destiny" underneath it. Written below that were his words "Destiny is written for us but by us". Public schools aren't teaching our kids the fundamentals anymore but indoctrinating them to be little socialists. I haven't told you about the board idolizing Chairman Mao I saw at that same school.
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3 wood Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:34:34am |
Obama's going to have his first press conference tonight. Can you imagine the adoring worship that is going to be conducted by the MSM? What's the over/under on how many really hard questions he will get asked? 1? 0?
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:34:56am |
re: #319 Rustler
Ahh so it was near Darwin not Sydney? Wasn't sure only pics I saw showed the ocean and beach no real landmarks. He also touched down in much shallower water.
Yes, the photo in the link is a goody, shows the pilot and a passenger walking out of the water with the plane in the background...
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:35:04am |
from yesterday....more exposure for Gov Sanford on our "savior based economy"...
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:35:11am |
re: #321 3 wood
I heard an interview on the radio this morning with someone who was saying that their unemployment benefits were running out and he had a question for the President, what should this person do when his benefits ran out and what was the President going to do about it? I noticed that the unemployed person being interviewed seemed to have the mindset that somebody else, such as the government, was supposed to take care of him.
There are quite a few people out their like that now, I guess, and Obama is playing to that audience.
The perfect dupe for Cloward and Piven.
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Jim in Virginia Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:35:33am |
re: #327 rightside
Obviously ridiculous, but if we're going to cap salaries, we should start in hollyweird.
Seems like capping salaries will put a big dent in tax revenues. O is the guy who said he favored capital gains taxes "for fairness" even if they reduce revenue.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:35:42am |
re: #327 rightside
Obviously ridiculous, but if we're going to cap salaries, we should start in hollyweird.
Why? Is it turning a profit?
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summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:35:43am |
re: #292 3 wood
Good morning.
Look for the market to open down as speculators sell off Friday's rally and the President spends the day bashing the economy to drum up political support for his plan to take over the economy.
The futures are down fractionally, the Nikkei was down, while the Hang Seng was up.
In the mean time, the Democrats spent half a million of our tax dollars on a weekend retreat for themselves, complete with hot tubs, back rubs and facials (just imagine the sight of Pelosi laying there in a towel getting a back rub, eh?) to figure out how best to spend even more money.
And our President flew Airforce 1 there to party with them too. So much for having the common touch and being concerned about the environment.
Yes, but where do you find that info in the news ? Let one of the Big 3 fly their own planes to a hearing.....
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:35:45am |
re: #325 MandyManners
To be honest, I don't associate with them. I live in a very red county, and have been surrounded by military most of my adult life.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:36:08am |
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Jim in Virginia Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:36:57am |
re: #329 3 wood
This reminds me so much of the Carter years, the apologetic foreign policy, the negativity about the future, the constant bashing of the economy, the intent to make everyone a ward of the State, the arrogance of the controlling Democrats.
It's deja vu all over again.
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:37:03am |
re: #328 Jim in Virginia
Looks like it's time for some of us drowning in Moonbats to share the Wealth with RS.
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3 wood Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:37:05am |
re: #332 Jetpilot1101
OT: I was in a local elementary school this weekend. MY church has been meeting there for the past 4 years. In all that time, never have I seen one picture of George Bush. This Sunday, I walked in and right as you walk in is a huge poster of Barrack Obama with the word "Destiny" underneath it. Written below that were his words "Destiny is written for us but by us". Public schools aren't teaching our kids the fundamentals anymore but indoctrinating them to be little socialists. I haven't told you about the board idolizing Chairman Mao I saw at that same school.
Walk through the Admin area of any local community college, look on the bulletin boards and posters taped to the walls of the offices, and you will still the the open hate for Bush and the open worship of Obama.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:37:06am |
re: #332 Jetpilot1101
A permanent class of people completely dependent on the government for support is a really bad thing. Our current education system doesn't help either.
OT: I was in a local elementary school this weekend. MY church has been meeting there for the past 4 years. In all that time, never have I seen one picture of George Bush. This Sunday, I walked in and right as you walk in is a huge poster of Barrack Obama with the word "Destiny" underneath it. Written below that were his words "Destiny is written for us but by us". Public schools aren't teaching our kids the fundamentals anymore but indoctrinating them to be little socialists. I haven't told you about the board idolizing Chairman Mao I saw at that same school.
I'd be writing to the school board and the local paper(s).
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:37:42am |
re: #333 3 wood
Obama's going to have his first press conference tonight. Can you imagine the adoring worship that is going to be conducted by the MSM? What's the over/under on how many really hard questions he will get asked? 1? 0?
I hope he'll get pissy no matter what.
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:38:01am |
re: #329 3 wood
This reminds me so much of the Carter years, the apologetic foreign policy, the negativity about the future, the constant bashing of the economy, the intent to make everyone a ward of the State, the arrogance of the controlling Democrats.
While I didn't live through those years, from what I can gather those 4 years were absolutely no fun. I'm not looking forward to 4 years of Carter II.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:38:34am |
re: #340 rightside
To be honest, I don't associate with them. I live in a very red county, and have been surrounded by military most of my adult life.
I won't suggest going out of your way to find the moonbats.
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:38:38am |
re: #331 MandyManners
They are Dropbears are A Myth? Hoax? talltale? not an actual animal just something to scare tourists with. Koalas are Vegetarians. But possess nasty claws as a result of their arborial lives.
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summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:39:11am |
re: #321 3 wood
I heard an interview on the radio this morning with someone who was saying that their unemployment benefits were running out and he had a question for the President, what should this person do when his benefits ran out and what was the President going to do about it? I noticed that the unemployed person being interviewed seemed to have the mindset that somebody else, such as the government, was supposed to take care of him.
There are quite a few people out their like that now, I guess, and Obama is playing to that audience.
I bet WalMart is hiring - but then that would be work.
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:39:33am |
re: #330 Rustler
Aren't they still on that system where they get them automatically, the only way they don't get them, is if they vote themselves to NOT get one?
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monkeytime Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:39:33am |
re: #327 rightside
Obviously ridiculous, but if we're going to cap salaries, we should start in
hollyweirdWashington.
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:41:18am |
re: #345 MandyManners
I'd be writing to the school board and the local paper(s).
I should have done that and now that they have taken it down, I'm kicking myself for not.
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summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:41:51am |
re: #329 3 wood
This reminds me so much of the Carter years, the apologetic foreign policy, the negativity about the future, the constant bashing of the economy, the intent to make everyone a ward of the State, the arrogance of the controlling Democrats.
And remember when Jimmy said "wear a sweater"? Just like BO saying "inflate your tires".
| 355 |
seekeroftruth Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:42:05am |
Is there a chance of getting a Democrat to vote no on this Senate porkarama bill? Diane Feinstein has been wobbly on this.
.... grasping at straws....
| 356 |
summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:43:13am |
re: #333 3 wood
Obama's going to have his first press conference tonight. Can you imagine the adoring worship that is going to be conducted by the MSM? What's the over/under on how many really hard questions he will get asked? 1? 0?
I bet he won't call on Jack Tapper from ABC - the poor guy might be banned.
| 357 |
Jim in Virginia Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:43:13am |
Jetpilot101, folks under 40 have no idea how wonderful life was back in 1979.
Can we bring back disco , leisure suits and bad haircuts too?
Off to work. Play safe y'all.
| 358 |
Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:43:18am |
re: #351 rightside
Pretty sure this most recent one was significantly larger than the automatic raise. I'll try to find link.
| 360 |
Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:44:14am |
re: #355 seekeroftruth
Would need at least 2 58 dems in senate and 3 rinos makes 61 we need it down to 59 : (
| 361 |
gregg Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:44:40am |
As I was flipping channels this weekend, I saw one of them, CNN I think, had Jimmy Carter on commenting about Obama's economic plan. Brilliant.
| 362 |
Beach Lover Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:45:05am |
Morning everyone....just read this article and think it is spot on regarding the bailout mess. 3-wood...interested in your take on it.
FTA
There is plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the political aisle. But the lesson should be clear that socializing failed businesses -- whether in housing, health care or in Detroit -- is not a long-term solution. Expanding government's intrusion into the private sector doesn't come without great risk. The renewing and self-correcting nature of the private sector is largely lost in the public sector, where accountability is impaired by obfuscation of responsibility, and where special interests benefit even when the public good is ill-served.
| 363 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:45:38am |
re: #353 Jetpilot1101
I should have done that and now that they have taken it down, I'm kicking myself for not.
I'd be writing about the CBBHO photograph and how they didn't have one of Pres. Bush while he was in office.
| 364 |
gregg Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:45:59am |
re: #355 seekeroftruth
Is there a chance of getting a Democrat to vote no on this Senate porkarama bill? Diane Feinstein has been wobbly on this.
.... grasping at straws....
From what I've read, she's wobbly because she wants more pork, less tax cuts.
| 365 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:46:29am |
re: #354 summergurl
And remember when Jimmy said "wear a sweater"? Just like BO saying "inflate your tires".
Yet he has set his thermostat high.
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seekeroftruth Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:47:14am |
re: #360 Rustler
Would need at least 2 58 dems in senate and 3 rinos makes 61 we need it down to 59 : (
So depressing. I can't believe that the Democrats think they are will come out as winners on this bill. It's going to do so much damage.
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:47:31am |
In his infamous speech to the National Bureau of Economic Research, Summers noted that women often don’t want to work the hours needed to get to the top and that girls are “socialized toward nursing” while boys are “socialized toward building bridges.”The quote that killed him: “In the special case of science and engineering, there are issues of intrinsic aptitude, and particularly of the variability of aptitude, and that those considerations are reinforced by what are, in fact, lesser factors involving socialization and continuing discrimination.”
Just wanted to dredge up so good old Larry Summers quotes, you know the man running Obama's economic team.
| 368 |
summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:48:26am |
re: #335 albusteve
from yesterday....more exposure for Gov Sanford on our "savior based economy"...
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]
He is going to gain more favorable national exposure as time goes on.
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:48:32am |
re: #363 MandyManners
I'd be writing about the CBBHO photograph and how they didn't have one of Pres. Bush while he was in office.
I will do that and I'll send a copy to my local congressman as well, he is rather conservative for MA politicians.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:49:15am |
the psychology of propaganda used....spooky stuff
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
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soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:51:38am |
re: #366 seekeroftruth
So depressing. I can't believe that the Democrats think they are will come out as winners on this bill. It's going to do so much damage.
Buys them there voter base for 2010, 2012, and in perpetuity. It isn't about the best interest of the country, it's about them retaining power.Want to see what life under 1 party rule is like come to MA.
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:52:15am |
Well Lizards, I have to run. Have a great day all. I'l see you all later during the Obama press conference thread.
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:52:19am |
Of course, it's all too easy to predict the following:
If the porkulus bill is finally passed and implemented, the first uptick in any part of the economy will be heralded as the absolute intellectual giant cbbho is.
The drive-bys will proudly declare, the "one" was the only one who could have brought us back from the brink of disaster.
Because of his sheer genius, America can rest easy now, knowing the "one"s is at the helm, charting us through rough waters.
They will start to wonder why we didn't elect him earlier, why we couldn't have impeached chimpy, and installed cbbho.
You have not seen the amount of fellating the drive-bys can do yet.
| 375 |
Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:52:27am |
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hiney von pewps Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:52:54am |
re: #366 seekeroftruth
So depressing. I can't believe that the Democrats think they are will come out as winners on this bill. It's going to do so much damage.
| 377 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:53:03am |
re: #362 Beach Lover
Morning everyone....just read this article and think it is spot on regarding the bailout mess. 3-wood...interested in your take on it.
FTA
another finger pointing back at Carter....I can't believe the that moron even dares show his face in public
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:53:11am |
re: #352 monkeytime
I say, if you are worth more than a million dollars, you get no pay in congress.
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monkeytime Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:54:16am |
re: #373 Jetpilot1101
Well Lizards, I have to run. Have a great day all. I'l see you all later during the Obama press conference thread.
Have a good one! I've got to run to and I can't take my laptop today
:>(
See ya tonight!
| 380 |
soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:55:20am |
re: #378 rightside
I say, if you are worth more than a million dollars, you get no pay in congress.
I say we pay them by the yea or nay vote. Then if they want to take the "present" route they take a hit in the wallet.
| 381 |
monkeytime Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:56:03am |
re: #378 rightside
I say, if you are worth more than a million dollars, you get no pay in congress.
Why don't they take a cue from the head of Ford who offered to work for $1.00 this year since he was running the company when it fell in the toilet. Why doesn't Washington take the same step - the ones who helped vote in this Fannie/Freddie crap!
| 382 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:57:38am |
re: #335 albusteve
from yesterday....more exposure for Gov Sanford on our "savior based economy"...
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]
It was on CNN?!
| 384 |
summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:57:58am |
re: #378 rightside
I say, if you are worth more than a million dollars, you get no pay in congress.
I say term limits-
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:58:36am |
re: #378 rightside
I say, if you are worth more than a million dollars, you get no pay in congress.
No. I don't like salary caps. They defy the free market.
| 386 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:00:48am |
re: #384 summergurl
I say term limits-
I go both ways. Some would say that it's a violation of our right to choose our representatives and could run into First Amendment issues. OTOH, those who are favored by the MFM get a free ride.
| 387 |
Crossie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:01:05am |
re: #331 MandyManners
I thought the koalas were herbivores.
Mandy, Rustler is having you on, but koalas will scratch and piss on their handlers as one did on John Brown, a former Minister for tourism, during a photo shoot.
| 388 |
seekeroftruth Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:01:49am |
re: #372 soxfan4life
For many people, it doesn't matter much to them what happens, until you take their stuff or wallets. Obama and the Democrats will own the economy and all the troubles coming from this spending bill, if it goes through. When people don't get their tax cuts, their taxes go up, and all the things Obama promised them don't materialize, I think the shit will hit the fan. The one good thing the Republicans are doing is making sure the American people know who is supporting this spending bill and who is not.
| 390 |
rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:02:35am |
re: #375 Rustler
Regardless, freeze their pay. They don't need it.
| 391 |
Pietr Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:02:38am |
An elderly couple were on a cruise and it was really stormy. They were
standing on the back of the boat watching the moon, when a wave came up and washed the old woman overboard. They searched for days and couldn't find her, so the Captain sent the old man back to shore with the promise that he would notify him as soon as they found something.
Three weeks went by and finally the old man got a fax from the boat. It read: 'Sir, sorry to inform you, we found your wife dead at the bottom of the ocean. We hauled her up to the deck and attached to her butt was an oyster and in it was a pearl worth $50,000. Please advise.'
The old man faxed back: 'Send me the pearl and re-bait the trap.'
********************************************************************
A funeral service is being held for a woman who has just passed away. At the end of the service, the pall bearers are carrying the casket out when they accidentally bump into a wall, jarring the casket . They hear a faint moan.
They open the casket and find that the woman is actually alive!
She lives for ten more years, and then dies. Once again, a ceremony is held, and at the end of it, the pall bearers are again carrying out the casket. As they carry the casket towards the door, the husband cries out, 'Watch out for that wall!'
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:02:50am |
re: #385 MandyManners
They still should have Voted nay on the payraise. Denying the free market is bad. Automatic payraises despite an 8% approval rating are rediculous. But then again the same Idiots who had to hate the way congress was run helped vote back in the same people.
| 393 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:03:56am |
re: #382 MandyManners
It was on CNN?!
must be...I was out and about yesterday and just found it....the guy is starting to get some attention....I posted another interview with him a day or two ago...I like him alot
| 394 |
seekeroftruth Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:03:58am |
re: #376 hiney von pewps
Ack. What a jerk Reid is.
Thanks for the link.
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:04:00am |
re: #385 MandyManners
I agree, but they are not in the free market.
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summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:04:33am |
re: #386 MandyManners
I go both ways. Some would say that it's a violation of our right to choose our representatives and could run into First Amendment issues. OTOH, those who are favored by the MFM get a free ride.
However the longer you stay in Washington the more influenced or beholding to lobbyists and special interest groups. One could also argue that our representatives begin to believe that they live in the "real world" when in fact they stay inside the beltway.
| 397 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:04:57am |
Anybody see my Alison and Robert last night? Hmmm? First Grammy's I have watched in years. Watched for two hours and fifty with Mute button on. Ten when Plant and Krauss were onstage.
| 398 |
Beach Lover Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:05:17am |
re: #377 albusteve
I still think this would not have come to the all out mess it is, if there had not been a presidential election in the fall. the media blew a problem into a Republican disaster, and they (mostly McCain) just were weak in defending it....the focus switched from "the war is wrong" to the financial mess.
| 399 |
Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:05:49am |
re: #387 Crossie
I said as much in my 349 above hehe. Just had to linky the drop bear when Mandy called Koalas vicious.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:06:09am |
re: #387 Crossie
Mandy, Rustler is having you on, but koalas will scratch and piss on their handlers as one did on John Brown, a former Minister for tourism, during a photo shoot.
Oh, I knew he was. My mom useta' own a flower shop and had a lot of eucalyptus leaves. They fascinated me so much that I reserched them and koalas.
| 402 |
rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:06:55am |
re: #384 summergurl
I agree, but technically there already is... elections. It's just sad that people re-elect the kennedy's, the byrds, the martha's, etc.
| 403 |
opnion Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:07:34am |
Good morning Lizards. Day twenty , America held hostage!
| 404 |
summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:07:57am |
re: #393 albusteve
must be...I was out and about yesterday and just found it....the guy is starting to get some attention....I posted another interview with him a day or two ago...I like him alot
I live in a neighboring state and he is well liked. Makes alot of sense - As far as the unemployment rate in those counties that the reporter highlighted at the beginning of the segment, they are ranked very low as far as education. I wouldn't be surprised if the high school graduation rate for Allendale county was less than 40%. Don't know, but would not raise an eyebrow if it was..
| 405 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:08:08am |
re: #392 Rustler
They still should have Voted nay on the payraise. Denying the free market is bad. Automatic payraises despite an 8% approval rating are rediculous. But then again the same Idiots who had to hate the way congress was run helped vote back in the same people.
I believe they should've have rejected the pay raise, as well as the $93,000.00 discretionary pay.
| 406 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:08:39am |
re: #398 Beach Lover
I still think this would not have come to the all out mess it is, if there had not been a presidential election in the fall. the media blew a problem into a Republican disaster, and they (mostly McCain) just were weak in defending it....the focus switched from "the war is wrong" to the financial mess.
personally I think the whole thing is contrived...not a very popular view...I think the donks knew that FF/FM was gonna blow and pushed the button somehow
| 407 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:08:40am |
re: #393 albusteve
must be...I was out and about yesterday and just found it....the guy is starting to get some attention....I posted another interview with him a day or two ago...I like him alot
I'm still flummoxed that CNN would have him.
| 408 |
summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:09:04am |
re: #397 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Anybody see my Alison and Robert last night? Hmmm? First Grammy's I have watched in years. Watched for two hours and fifty with Mute button on. Ten when Plant and Krauss were onstage.
So you think Brown beat up Rhinna? They are saying this morning she was in a "traffic accident". hmmmm
| 409 |
Erik The Red Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:09:19am |
re: #403 opnion
Good morning Lizards. Day twenty , America held hostage!
Morning opnion and your job is done unless you grew some extra fingers and toes over night.
| 410 |
Beach Lover Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:09:19am |
re: #384 summergurl
I wish we had someone looking into what these sleasebags are worth and how much they get on the side. I heard someone say recently, "These people in congress get ..what $150,000 a year salary, yet all of them are millionaires when they leave (if they ever leave)...how else can you explain this"
| 411 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:09:20am |
re: #395 rightside
I agree, but they are not in the free market.
I don't like salary caps for anyone.
| 412 |
Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:09:56am |
re: #405 MandyManners Lol don't even get me started on the Discretionary please.
| 413 |
soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:10:05am |
re: #388 seekeroftruth
For many people, it doesn't matter much to them what happens, until you take their stuff or wallets. Obama and the Democrats will own the economy and all the troubles coming from this spending bill, if it goes through. When people don't get their tax cuts, their taxes go up, and all the things Obama promised them don't materialize, I think the shit will hit the fan. The one good thing the Republicans are doing is making sure the American people know who is supporting this spending bill and who is not.
That's why McConnell and Steele need to put as much distance between Snow,Collins, and Specter as they can. Because O and his minions will ride those 3's support like a gigantic surfboard of bi-partisanship. Hell, the 2 from Maine might as well blame the current mess solely on Bush while voting yea on the compromise bill that still has 7 billion more than the house version.
| 414 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:10:17am |
re: #396 summergurl
However the longer you stay in Washington the more influenced or beholding to lobbyists and special interest groups. One could also argue that our representatives begin to believe that they live in the "real world" when in fact they stay inside the beltway.
It's one helluva' cocoon.
| 416 |
Pietr Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:10:45am |
re: #403 opnion
Good morning Lizards. Day twenty , America held hostage!
Figured out how you'll keep the count going, now that all fingers and toes are in use? Heh Heh......:>))
| 417 |
summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:10:52am |
re: #402 rightside
I agree, but technically there already is... elections. It's just sad that people re-elect the kennedy's, the byrds, the martha's, etc.
The Specter's
| 418 |
Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:10:52am |
re: #408 summergurl
Bobby? Wait nm It's Chris Brown with her.
| 419 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:10:57am |
re: #408 summergurl
So you think Brown beat up Rhinna? They are saying this morning she was in a "traffic accident". hmmmm
Did you see the pregnant woman in the see through body stocking on stage? Kind of looked like a black and white lady bug. Was horrible.
| 420 |
opnion Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:11:38am |
re: #409 Erik The Red
Morning opnion and your job is done unless you grew some extra fingers and toes over night.
Yeah, my work is done. It's been a great ride, but you know.
| 421 |
Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:11:45am |
re: #410 Beach Lover
167,000 and some change for new members leadership like Pelosi make 217,000 or so.
| 423 |
summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:12:23am |
re: #410 Beach Lover
I wish we had someone looking into what these sleasebags are worth and how much they get on the side. I heard someone say recently, "These people in congress get ..what $150,000 a year salary, yet all of them are millionaires when they leave (if they ever leave)...how else can you explain this"
Sweetheart mortgage deals ---?
| 424 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:12:32am |
re: #407 MandyManners
I'm still flummoxed that CNN would have him.
right...but the MSM is fickle and the Pew reports after the election exposed CNN for their bias...who knows
| 425 |
soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:12:59am |
re: #421 Rustler
167,000 and some change for new members leadership like Pelosi make 217,000 or so.
Helps keep them in touch with the ordinary folk you know.
| 426 |
Crossie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:13:48am |
re: #400 MandyManners
Oh, I knew he was. My mom useta' own a flower shop and had a lot of eucalyptus leaves. They fascinated me so much that I reserched them and koalas.
I know and just wanted to mention John Brown's mishap. Hoped to find it on youtube but no success.
| 427 |
Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:14:04am |
re: #384 summergurl
I say term limits-
I'm with you. Flushing the toilet every now and then isn't a bad thing.
| 428 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:14:05am |
re: #410 Beach Lover
I wish we had someone looking into what these sleasebags are worth and how much they get on the side. I heard someone say recently, "These people in congress get ..what $150,000 a year salary, yet all of them are millionaires when they leave (if they ever leave)...how else can you explain this"
I hate the feds with a passion
| 429 |
summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:14:25am |
re: #418 Rustler
Bobby? Wait nm It's Chris Brown with her.
Sorry got my Bad Boy Browns mixed up... heard Whitney gave an outstanding performance the other night --
| 430 |
opnion Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:14:41am |
re: #416 Pietr
Figured out how you'll keep the count going, now that all fingers and toes are in use? Heh Heh......:>))
My work is done. Now it's time for the Dear Leader to have his press conference tonight. Will he get tough questions,,or just asked things like, "Mr. President, what makes you so cool?'
| 431 |
summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:16:37am |
re: #419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did you see the pregnant woman in the see through body stocking on stage? Kind of looked like a black and white lady bug. Was horrible.
Only watched Jennifer Hudson sing then changed channels. I have issues with the whole Hollywierd/MusicMoron aspect of the entertainment industry. I try to only watch or listen to their end product. Sick of hearing their views spouted on ads or while accepting awards.
| 432 |
rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:16:38am |
re: #417 summergurl
lol, space is limited to list basically all of congress!
| 433 |
seekeroftruth Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:16:49am |
re: #413 soxfan4life
I agree. I wish we could find out what Obama promised/gave the three traitors in exchange for their votes. Their backroom deal smells.
| 434 |
Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:17:33am |
re: #410 Beach Lover
I wish we had someone looking into what these sleasebags are worth and how much they get on the side. I heard someone say recently, "These people in congress get ..what $150,000 a year salary, yet all of them are millionaires when they leave (if they ever leave)...how else can you explain this"
Speaking fees, general influence peddling during and after stints in congress (Daschle), and friends in business put them on boards and pay them with stock options...among other things like outright theft.
| 436 |
rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:19:55am |
re: #427 Leonidas Hoplite
We need a congressional enema. Stat!
| 437 |
Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:20:12am |
Historical look at congresses pay.
House and Senate Salaries
House Senate
Salary Honoraria Salary Honoraria
1789 - 1795 $6 per diem no limit $6 per diem no limit
1795 - 1796 $6 per diem no limit $7 per diem no limit
1796 - 1815 $6 per diem no limit $6 per diem no limit
1815 - 1817 $1,500 no limit $1,500 no limit
1817 - 1855 $8 per diem no limit $8 per diem no limit
1855 - 1865 $3,000 no limit $3,000 no limit
1865 - 1871 $5,000 no limit $5,000 no limit
1871 - 1873 $7,500 no limit $7,500 no limit
1873 - 1907 $5,000 no limit $5,000 no limit
1907 - 1925 $7,500 no limit $7,500 no limit
1925 - 1932 $10,000 no limit $10,000 no limit
1932 - 1933 $9,000 no limit $9,000 no limit
1933 - 1935 $8,500 no limit $8,500 no limit
1935 - 1947 $10,000 no limit $10,000 no limit
1947 - 1955 $12,500 no limit $12,500 no limit
1955 - 1965 $22,500 no limit $22,500 no limit
1965 - 1969 $30,000 no limit $30,000 no limit
1969 - 1975 $42,500 no limit $42,500 no limit
1975 - 1977 $44,600 no limit $44,600 $15,000
1977 - 1979 $57,500 15% $57,500 $15,000
1984 (2) $72,600 30% $72,600 40%
1985 - 1986 $75,100 30% $75,100 40%
January 1987 $77,400 30% $77,400 40%
March 1987-1989 $89,500 30% $89,500 40%
1990 $96,600 30% $98,400 27%
January 1991 $125,100 $0 $101,900 27%
July 1991 $125,100 $0 $125,100 $0
January 1992 $129,500 $0 $129,500 $0
1993 - 1997 $133,600 $0 $133,600 $0
January 1998 $136,700 $0 $136,700 $0
January 2000 $141,300 $0 $141,300 $0
January 2001 $145,100 $0 $145,100 $0
January 2002 $150,000 $0 $150,000 $0
January 2003 $154,700 $0 $154,700 $0
January 2004 $158,100 $0 $158,100 $0
January 2005 $162,100 $0 $162,100 $0
January 2006 $165,200 $0 $165,200 $0
January 2007 (3) $165,200 $0 $165,200 $0
January 2008 (4) $169,300 $0 $169,300 $0
January 2009 (5) $174,000 $0 $174,000 $0
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opnion Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:20:18am |
New revelation on the radio this morning about Junior Senator from Illinois, Roland Burris. A Chicago media guy made a $1M loan to the Burris for Governor Campaign years back.
Burris never repaid the loan , but he did use his Comptrollers Office to try to quash a job discriniation suit against the guy.
He was not successful & the award was $3M.
All of this Illinois corruption is now in DC!
| 439 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:20:35am |
Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Even before Benjamin Netanyahu finds out whether he will be Israel’s next prime minister, he is sending a message to President Barack Obama that he won’t be pushed around.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
Ya mean like Bill Clinton pushed you around? ( This is not meant as an endorsement of Bibi's opponents, just a statement of fact)
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:21:17am |
re: #429 summergurl
You never said Bobby I just made a tasteless joke because of the name similarities in your post.
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:23:49am |
79-83 were omitted above as far to many odd changes in that time.
Numbers were pulled from here.
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seekeroftruth Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:23:54am |
re: #438 opnion
The corruption in the Democrat party is breathtaking, isn't it? Yikes....
bbl - enjoy the day!
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Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:25:04am |
BERLIN – The German chancellor called the pope Sunday, days after she demanded he clarify the Vatican's stance on the Holocaust after it lifted the excommunication of a bishop who denies six million Jews were killed.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Maybe it's just me but when you have a "German" "Chancellor" talking to a "German" Pope about the Holocaust, I get a creepy feeling?
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:25:36am |
re: #439 Nevergiveup
Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Even before Benjamin Netanyahu finds out whether he will be Israel’s next prime minister, he is sending a message to President Barack Obama that he won’t be pushed around.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
Ya mean like Bill Clinton pushed you around? ( This is not meant as an endorsement of Bibi's opponents, just a statement of fact)
BO will be in deep shit when he goes against Bibi....a seasoned pro
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Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:26:26am |
re: #444 albusteve
BO will be in deep shit when he goes against Bibi....a seasoned pro
Who's the seasoned pro?
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infidel4ever Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:27:15am |
re: #438 opnion
New revelation on the radio this morning about Junior Senator from Illinois, Roland Burris. A Chicago media guy made a $1M loan to the Burris for Governor Campaign years back.
Burris never repaid the loan , but he did use his Comptrollers Office to try to quash a job discriniation suit against the guy.
He was not successful & the award was $3M.
All of this Illinois corruption is now in DC!
Maybe one day the Obama era will be made into a movie: The Chicago Machine goes to Washington.
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:27:51am |
re: #439 Nevergiveup
Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Even before Benjamin Netanyahu finds out whether he will be Israel’s next prime minister, he is sending a message to President Barack Obama that he won’t be pushed around.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
Ya mean like Bill Clinton pushed you around? ( This is not meant as an endorsement of Bibi's opponents, just a statement of fact)
This is a good idea of how naive The One is
Obama, by contrast, addressed Muslim countries in his inaugural speech Jan. 20, calling for “a new way forward based on mutual interest and mutual respect.” He gave his first interview as president to Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television and pledged to “start now” on Palestinian-Israeli peace efforts.
There is no mutual interest. The Palistinean and Arab leadership in the region is interested in the eradication of Israel. Israel is not interested in this.
There is no mutual respect. Israel bends over backwards, trades land for (empty) promises, and is paid back with suicide bombers and rocket attacks.
The 1930s are playing out again. Where will the killing fields be this time if not in Europe?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:27:58am |
re: #446 infidel4ever
Maybe one day the Obama era will be made into a movie: The Chicago Machine goes to Washington.
Entitled:
Pay to Play
or (in honor of Blago)
F*ck
| 449 |
Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:28:07am |
re: #446 infidel4ever How bout "The Day the Earth Stood Still"
Oh wait thats about a different method of total world wide devastation.
| 450 |
Erik The Red Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:29:10am |
Just heard on the news here that Tiger Woods wife just gave birth to a baby boy. Can anyone confirm?
| 451 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:29:25am |
| 452 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:29:45am |
re: #450 Erik The Red
Just heard on the news here that Tiger Woods wife just gave birth to a baby boy. Can anyone confirm?
Well don't know about the sex but yes I heard they had another child
| 453 |
Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:29:50am |
re: #450 Erik The Red
Just heard on the news here that Tiger Woods wife just gave birth to a baby boy. Can anyone confirm?
I heard a few days ago that she was due any day...
| 454 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:30:24am |
re: #450 Erik The Red
Just heard on the news here that Tiger Woods wife just gave birth to a baby boy. Can anyone confirm?
I can confirm that his wife is smoking hot.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:30:33am |
re: #451 albusteve
and on deck...Vlad the Putin
Well Putin will eat him alive. He already basically scared Obama out of Poland.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:30:40am |
a new Tiger cub...sweet
[Link: msn.foxsports.com...]
| 457 |
big steve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:30:43am |
re: #450 Erik The Red
Just heard on the news here that Tiger Woods wife just gave birth to a baby boy. Can anyone confirm?
Is there a reason to care?
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:31:09am |
Williamson is one of four bishops from the ultraconservative Society of St. Pius X whose excommunication was lifted by the Vatican last month.He has apologized to the pope for having stirred controversy, but has not repudiated his comments, in which he also said only 200,000 to 300,000 Jews were killed during World War II.
Williamson does not plan to immediately comply with the Vatican's demand that he recant, and has rejected a suggestion that he might visit the former Auschwitz death camp, the German weekly Der Spiegel reported Saturday.
Williamson said he would correct himself if he is satisfied by the evidence, but insisted that examining it "will take time," Der Spiegel reported
He needs to be reexcommunicated he failed in his penance. He was asked to recant a blatantly false statement and refused.
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Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:31:29am |
re: #457 big steve
Is there a reason to care?
Yep, because unlike most sports superstars, Tiger is a class act.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:32:06am |
| 461 |
Erik The Red Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:33:37am |
re: #459 Wyatt Earp
Yep, because unlike most sports superstars, Tiger is a class act.
Charlie Axel Woods. Wonder where that comes from.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:33:37am |
re: #455 Nevergiveup
Well Putin will eat him alive. He already basically scared Obama out of Poland.
he'll get his chance to make out with Hugo so it all evens out eh?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:33:42am |
re: #459 Wyatt Earp
Yep, because unlike most sports superstars, Tiger is a class act.
And an out of this world athlete. You don't have be be amazingly athletic to be a golfer, but, Tiger proves, it helps.
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big steve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:33:42am |
re: #459 Wyatt Earp
Yep, because unlike most sports superstars, Tiger is a class act.
debatable......but celebs having babies and photographers hovering around to get a pic of the little one is classless.
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summergurl Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:34:01am |
re: #440 Rustler
You never said Bobby I just made a tasteless joke because of the name similarities in your post.
Yeah but I had to type "Bad Boy Brown's" it seemed like a natural fit..
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opnion Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:34:29am |
re: #442 seekeroftruth
The corruption in the Democrat party is breathtaking, isn't it? Yikes....
bbl - enjoy the day!
'A culture of Democrat corruption'
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:34:32am |
re: #458 Rustler
Williamson said he would correct himself if he is satisfied by the evidence, but insisted that examining it "will take time," Der Spiegel reported
SATISFIED BY THE EVIDENCE MY ASS
| 468 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:34:50am |
re: #461 Erik The Red
Charlie Axel Woods. Wonder where that comes from.
Big fan of Beverly Hills Cop?
| 469 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:34:54am |
Anti-sports/TV people are just as smug as ex-smokers.
/
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:35:25am |
re: #463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And an out of this world athlete. You don't have be be amazingly athletic to be a golfer, but, Tiger proves, it helps.
he says he has to change his swing now...that's gonna be interesting
| 472 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:35:36am |
| 473 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:35:59am |
re: #471 albusteve
he says he has to change his swing now...that's gonna be interesting
Well, duh! If you're holding a baby...
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Erik The Red Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:36:26am |
| 476 |
big steve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:36:34am |
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:36:48am |
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Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:36:52am |
re: #464 big steve
debatable......but celebs having babies and photographers hovering around to get a pic of the little one is classless.
Not debatable. At least not to me. His caddy is a tool, but Tiger is always there to slap him down when he gets out of line.
| 479 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:36:59am |
15:20 Mubarak, after meeting with Sarkozy: Gaza truce possible by next week (Reuters)
That's wonderful, but I didn't know Egypt and France were at war?
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:37:02am |
re: #454 Wyatt Earp
And I can concur with that. I am hoping they'll adopt me.
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opnion Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:37:28am |
re: #446 infidel4ever
Maybe one day the Obama era will be made into a movie: The Chicago Machine goes to Washington.
Da oganization , bringing Chicaga to youse.
| 482 |
Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:37:44am |
re: #471 albusteve
he says he has to change his swing now...that's gonna be interesting
Last time he did that he won an awful lot of majors...
| 483 |
Pietr Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:38:01am |
Thomas Jefferson, in some regard could be called a prophet
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe .
Thomas Jefferson
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
And finally, a Very Interesting Quote :
In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.'
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abaleh Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:38:22am |
re: #439 Nevergiveup
Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Even before Benjamin Netanyahu finds out whether he will be Israel’s next prime minister, he is sending a message to President Barack Obama that he won’t be pushed around.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
Ya mean like Bill Clinton pushed you around? ( This is not meant as an endorsement of Bibi's opponents, just a statement of fact)
That article is misleading in that it states that Israel Beytenu is opposed to all land for peace deals. While strictly true, the party does support land swaps, but does not agree to the formula of land for peace, rather land for land, and peace for peace.
| 485 |
Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:38:47am |
re: #476 big steve
Guns 'n Roses?
I beleive the Guns & Roses prima donna headcase spells his name Axl
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:38:51am |
re: #480 rightside
And I can concur with that. I am hoping they'll adopt me.
his boat is so big he had to buy out his neighbor for the waterfront space
| 487 |
VioletTiger Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:39:15am |
'Morning lizards.
Gitmo prisoners are already being released. See this Fox story
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:39:53am |
re: #487 VioletTiger
'Morning lizards.
Gitmo prisoners are already being released. See this Fox story
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
They have to sign a pledge?
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Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:40:23am |
re: #487 VioletTiger
'Morning lizards.
Gitmo prisoners are already being released. See this Fox story
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Well that should make it alot easier for them start killing American Soldiers again.
| 490 |
big steve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:40:34am |
re: #485 Leonidas Hoplite
I beleive the Guns & Roses prima donna headcase spells his name Axl
well maybe they added an "e" for Eldrick
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Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:41:09am |
re: #488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They have to sign a pledge?
Yes, but like Obama, they don't have to put their hands over their hearts.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:41:21am |
re: #482 Leonidas Hoplite
Last time he did that he won an awful lot of majors...
I heard where he said he wasnt sure he could do it...we'll see...there will always be a debate now...pre surgery vs post surgery
| 493 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:41:34am |
re: #489 Nevergiveup
Well that should make it alot easier for them start killing American Soldiers again.
Lesson learned. Don't take prisoners. Shot while trying to escape.
/unintended consequences are a bitch, Barry.
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soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:41:51am |
re: #487 VioletTiger
'Morning lizards.
Gitmo prisoners are already being released. See this Fox story
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Should give President Obama a little extra pep in his step this morning.
| 495 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:42:37am |
re: #493 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Lesson learned. Don't take prisoners. Shot while trying to escape.
/unintended consequences are a bitch, Barry.
Amen to that.
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abaleh Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:42:48am |
re: #443 Nevergiveup
BERLIN – The German chancellor called the pope Sunday, days after she demanded he clarify the Vatican's stance on the Holocaust after it lifted the excommunication of a bishop who denies six million Jews were killed.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Maybe it's just me but when you have a "German" "Chancellor" talking to a "German" Pope about the Holocaust, I get a creepy feeling?
well, at least he got fired.
| 497 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:42:50am |
re: #479 Nevergiveup
15:20 Mubarak, after meeting with Sarkozy: Gaza truce possible by next week (Reuters)
That's wonderful, but I didn't know Egypt and France were at war?
How can Israel miss with the 2 leading experts in military surrender techniques handling their negotiations?/
| 498 |
VioletTiger Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:43:43am |
re: #488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They have to sign a pledge?
I think the pledge was the terrorists released in Yemen.
| 499 |
Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:44:33am |
re: #483 Pietr This is why the Obama Rushmore has TJ removed to become the big 0.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:45:01am |
re: #498 VioletTiger
I think the pledge was the terrorists released in Yemen.
We can have pledges too!? These are, after all, religious people. They're good for their word.
/
| 501 |
rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:47:28am |
re: #489 Nevergiveup
Will the drive-bys start a body count on how many Americans are killed by the jihadis?
| 502 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:47:54am |
Mummies are cool.
CAIRO – Egyptian archaeologists say they have discovered 30 mummies inside a 4,600-year-old tomb, in the latest round of excavations at the vast necropolis of Saqqara 12 miles (20 kilometers) south of Cairo.
Egypt's chief archeologist, Zahi Hawas, says the new tomb was found Sunday at the bottom of a 36 foot (11-meter) deep well. Eight of the mummies were in sarcophagi and the rest had been placed in niches in the wall.
Hawas has described the new site as a "storeroom for mummies."
His assistant Abdel Hakim Karar said Monday the use of such niches was rare during that period of time.
Excavations have been ongoing at Saqqara for 150 years, uncovering a vast cemetery dating mostly from the Old Kingdom, but including sites as recent as the Roman era.
| 503 |
VioletTiger Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:48:12am |
re: #500 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
We can have pledges too!? These are, after all, religious people. They're good for their word.
/
Yes, but their word is usually 'I keel you'
| 504 |
mingjaiyo Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:48:28am |
From lyrics I penned 20 years ago..."Apathy kills like a loaded gun,with ignorance as it's bullet".
| 505 |
Pietr Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:48:38am |
When I went to lunch today, I noticed an old lady sitting on a park bench sobbing her eyes out. I stopped and asked her what was wrong.
She said, 'I have a 22-year-old husband at home. He makes love to me every morning and then gets up and makes me pancakes, sausage, fresh fruit and freshly ground coffee.'
I said, 'Well, then why are you crying?'
She said, 'He makes me homemade soup for lunch and my favorite brownies and then makes love to me for half the afternoon.'
I said, 'Well, why are you crying?'
She said, 'For dinner he makes me a gourmet meal with wine and my favorite dessert and then makes love to me until 2:00 a.m.'
I said, 'Well, why in the world would you be crying?'
She said, 'I can't remember where I live!'
*************************************************************
Two elderly ladies had been friends for many decades. Over the years they had shared all kinds of activities and adventures. Lately, their activities had been limited to meeting a few times a week to play cards.
One day they were playing cards when one looked at the other and said, 'Now don't get mad at me. I know we've been friends for a long time, but I just can't think of your name! I've thought and thought, but I can't remember it.
Please tell me what your name is.'
Her friend glared at her. For at least three minutes she just stared and
glared at her.
Finally she said, 'How soon do you need to know?'
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:48:48am |
re: #500 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Doesn't it say in the Koran to lie to the Infidel is a virtue tho?
| 507 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:49:00am |
re: #497 Spare O'Lake
How can Israel miss with the 2 leading experts in military surrender techniques handling their negotiations?/
France ought to keep their face outs Israels business...same with the US basically
| 508 |
abaleh Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:49:53am |
re: #502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
CAIRO – Egyptian archaeologists say they have discovered 30 mummies inside a 4,600-year-old tomb, in the latest round of excavations at the vast necropolis of Saqqara 12 miles (20 kilometers) south of Cairo.
Egypt's chief archeologist, Zahi Hawas, says the new tomb was found Sunday at the bottom of a 36 foot (11-meter) deep well. Eight of the mummies were in sarcophagi and the rest had been placed in niches in the wall.
Hawas has described the new site as a "storeroom for mummies."
His assistant Abdel Hakim Karar said Monday the use of such niches was rare during that period of time.
Excavations have been ongoing at Saqqara for 150 years, uncovering a vast cemetery dating mostly from the Old Kingdom, but including sites as recent as the Roman era.
Yes they are.
Too bad egyptians have to dig 36 feet deep to find a trace of civilization.
| 509 |
aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:50:06am |
re: #483 Pietr
Universal thoughts, and thank you for posting this
I'm not really up on American history, although I'm learning - thanks LGF
:-)
| 511 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:51:11am |
re: #506 Rustler
It couldn't. That would make it less than a book on religion/morality.
| 512 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:51:18am |
re: #508 abaleh
Yes they are.
Too bad egyptians have to dig 36 feet deep to find a trace of civilization.
Ooh, that's gotta leave a mark.
| 513 |
soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:51:31am |
re: #507 albusteve
France ought to keep their face outs Israels business...same with the US basically
Amazing how bold they became once O became President. Israel could slap the shit out of them with 1 hand tied behind their back. And they should.
| 515 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:53:12am |
re: #513 soxfan4life
Amazing how bold they became once O became President. Israel could slap the shit out of them with 1 hand tied behind their back. And they should.
just another example of how Israel is used...Sarko wants his pie
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Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:54:06am |
re: #515 albusteve
just another example of how Israel is used...Sarko wants his pie
Well, with his wife, he doesn't have to look very far.
| 517 |
Pietr Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:54:33am |
re: #513 soxfan4life
They already did once-remember the French fighters Israel bought?
Heh heh......Cheers.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:54:47am |
re: #509 aussiemagpie
Universal thoughts, and thank you for posting this
I'm not really up on American history, although I'm learning - thanks LGF
:-)
two facts you must remember....we invented
football and rock and roll
| 519 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:54:47am |
| 520 |
notutopia Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:57:14am |
We have designed our civilization based on science and technology and at the same time arranged things so that almost no one understands anything at all about science and technology. This is a clear prescription for disaster.
— Carl Sagan
Good Morning All!
Get a view of this new technology!
A computer with no screen and keyboard from MIT.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
| 521 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:57:53am |
re: #518 albusteve
two facts you must remember....we invented
football and rock and roll
And perfected both.
| 522 |
VioletTiger Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:58:18am |
re: #519 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
lol! the man is obsessed with pie.
| 523 |
aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:58:39am |
Great news for revheads (Aussie ones)
I'm a great motor racing fan, and my favourite V8 Supercar driver headed to the US a couple of years ago to try his luck in NASCAR
I've been following his progress via his website, and this weekend he lines up at the grid for the Daytona 500
The first Aussie to do so........
AFTER Ben Graham's Superbowl start, Marcos Ambrose will become the latest Australian to make history in an American sport showpiece.
The former V8 Supercar champion will become the first Australian to line up in the iconic Daytona 500 when he begins his first full season in NASCAR racing's top-tier Sprint Cup series this weekend.
And along with the milestone will come his biggest-ever pay day, with even a last-placed finish set to earn him at least $379,800.
Ambrose and his new team JTG Daugherty Racing learned over the weekend they were guaranteed one of 35 starting spots for Monday's 200-lap race at Daytona Beach, Florida.
"I have to pinch myself every day because it is the biggest race there is," said Ambrose, who qualified 30th-fastest on Sunday ahead of two heat races later this week.
"I'm really looking forward to my first Daytona 500 because it is huge for me personally to be able to experience it first-hand.
"For years, I have read about the race in magazines while living in Australia and it intrigued me."
The 32-year-old Tasmanian is stepping up to the top level of NASCAR racing in just his third year racing in the US.
Good on ya Marcos!
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:59:43am |
re: #516 Wyatt Earp
Well, with his wife, he doesn't have to look very far.
for now...but a monumental historic bibical eternal ME peace will serve his legacy for decades at least
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:59:44am |
re: #522 VioletTiger
lol! the man is obsessed with pie.
The scary part is the group cheering that empty-headed riff.
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Rustler Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:59:49am |
Hamas should have told teh UN they didn't stea lthe aid the Koran gives them permission.
[9.60] Alms are only for the poor and the needy, and the officials (appointed) over them, and those whose hearts are made to incline (to truth) and the (ransoming of) captives and those in debts and in the way of Allah and the wayfarer; an ordinance from Allah; and Allah is knowing, Wise.
The Un aid was merely alms for the Poor and Hamas is the Officials appointed over them.
Still trying to find the lying is a virtue passage.
| 527 |
realwest Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:00:09am |
Good morning y'all - from a moderate (46 degrees going up to 68 degress)bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?
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Pietr Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:00:57am |
re: #523 aussiemagpie
Hmmmm........we've allowed importation of "Tasmanian Devils" now?
/White smoke....
| 529 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:01:05am |
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notutopia Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:01:35am |
re: #500 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
We can have pledges too!? These are, after all, religious people. They're good for their word.
/
So much for Kyrgyz pledges. It looks like we just took another hit for an air base access to Afghanistan.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:01:52am |
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:02:17am |
re: #525 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
The scary part is the group cheering that empty-headed riff.
pie! pie! pie!
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:02:27am |
re: #518 albusteve
two facts you must remember....we invented
football and rock and roll
No you didn't invent football at all!
Your footy originates from rugby, and I know that because I dragged out my little American Football for Dummies book the other day before Superbowl and read that :-)
| 535 |
Pietr Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:02:50am |
re: #527 realwest
G'Mornin', RW....doing good here, How's 'bout you today?
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Lincolntf Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:02:52am |
Morning all.
Don't know if this story is old news to you guys, but if an American court rules in favor of the illegals, all bets are off. The Government has largely abrogated it's responsibility to secure our borders, if landowners are banned from doing so then we're done for.
| 537 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:03:20am |
| 538 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:04:34am |
| 539 |
aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:04:34am |
re: #527 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a moderate (46 degrees going up to 68 degress)bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?
*Smooch* {darls}, and lots of hugs too (feeling very sad for my fellow Aussies suffering down south in the bushfires)
| 540 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:05:28am |
| 541 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:05:34am |
re: #538 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Pie is liquid cake..."
-Jim Gaffigan
Jim Gaffigan is a funny, funny guy.
| 542 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:05:40am |
re: #533 aussiemagpie
No you didn't invent football at all!
Your footy originates from rugby, and I know that because I dragged out my little American Football for Dummies book the other day before Superbowl and read that :-)
all propaganda to keep our Aussie buddies happy...no American takes that seriously
| 543 |
notutopia Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:05:50am |
re: #527 realwest
Good Morning realwest! How are you on this fine NC day?
| 544 |
Lively Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:05:55am |
re: #536 Lincolntf
Morning all.
Don't know if this story is old news to you guys, but if an American court rules in favor of the illegals, all bets are off. The Government has largely abrogated it's responsibility to secure our borders, if landowners are banned from doing so then we're done for.
Amazing. I can't believe it.
| 545 |
quickjustice Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:06:03am |
A central aspect of principled argumentation (debate) is the premise that when both sides of an argument have been presented fairly, an observer can distill the strengths and weaknesses of each side, draw appropriate conclusions, and move on.
What's troubling about the "evolution v. religion" debate is that creationists keep recycling their losing arguments over and over again. They're not responding to what they're hearing from the other side. That failure or refusal to acknowledge the fair points made by debate opponents suggests bad faith in this process.
I identify the bad faith as a deliberate misstatement, or misunderstanding, by creationists of the "question" for resolution. As misstated by creationists, it is: "RESOLVED: G-D (DEFINED AS THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE) EXISTS", thereby leaving it to defenders of science and evolution to defend atheism.
The actual question is: "RESOLVED, that science provides a method superior to religious dogma for observing, measuring, analyzing, and understanding the natural world in strictly empirical terms."
And on this question, the creationists refuse to engage, because they lose every time.
| 546 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:06:05am |
| 547 |
Pietr Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:06:13am |
re: #537 Wyatt Earp
We are talking the PIE from the college movies? ("Nerds, Natl. Lampoon, Etc...")
| 548 |
aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:06:26am |
re: #528 Pietr
Hmmmm........we've allowed importation of "Tasmanian Devils" now?
/White smoke....
LOL! He's a terrific Tasmanian devil too ....
| 549 |
Lively Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:08:12am |
I saw on Drudge that Ford is going to invest $1 Billion of US treasury money......on a plant in Brazil.
Is that the way Dems stimulate an economy?
/outrageous
| 550 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:08:13am |
re: #547 Pietr
We are talking the PIE from the college movies? ("Nerds, Natl. Lampoon, Etc...")
I can't speak for everyone, but that's what I was talking about. Heh.
| 551 |
pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:08:23am |
Chuck Grassley is on drugs. "Hoping" for the donks and the one to be bipartisan". Mwahahaha. The one and the donks won and by God we are gonna do what we want. Namely socialize the hell out of everything and do our damndest to kill small business.
| 552 |
aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:08:29am |
re: #542 albusteve
all propaganda to keep our Aussie buddies happy...no American takes that seriously
OK, I'm happy but RUGBY is the parent of your funny footy :-)
| 553 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:08:49am |
re: #527 realwest
Good Morning Real!
Doing well here... looking for thunderstorms today. All the snow melt over the weekend and the ground is too soft for words.
| 554 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:09:14am |
re: #549 Lively
I saw on Drudge that Ford is going to invest $1 Billion of US treasury money......on a plant in Brazil.
Is that the way Dems stimulate an economy?
/outrageous
No, they would stimulate our economy by funneling money to Venezuela.
| 555 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:09:26am |
Good morning, everyone!
Does anyone know if the new Kindle is available for pre-order yet?
Or should I just go ahead and order the Kindle at Amazon so I'll be in line in the hope they will send me the new version?
Suggestions? Advice?
| 557 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:10:06am |
re: #544 Lively
Amazing. I can't believe it.
a good tough honest American...I bet he cant wait to rip the feds in court
| 558 |
Achilles Tang Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:10:14am |
re: #10 gmsc
The Dragon In My Garage (Part 1/2)
by Carl Sagan
Are you sure that wasn't by Dawkins? ;)
| 559 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:10:30am |
re: #551 pingjockey
I'm not sure of the source, but I heard (radio) someones translation of BIPARTISAN
President Obama,,, The Republicans are in the room and are told what the bill will be
Nancy Pelosi,,,,, The Republicans are in the room
| 560 |
Achilles Tang Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:11:31am |
re: #555 reine.de.tout
Good morning, everyone!
Does anyone know if the new Kindle is available for pre-order yet?
Or should I just go ahead and order the Kindle at Amazon so I'll be in line in the hope they will send me the new version?
Suggestions? Advice?
Buy a couple of paper books. Read them, and then go buy a kindle when it's on sale.
| 561 |
pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:11:43am |
re: #559 sattv4u2
Yep, or we told the repubs and that's that.
| 562 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:11:59am |
re: #552 aussiemagpie
OK, I'm happy but RUGBY is the parent of your funny footy :-)
I'm pretty sure we invented rugby as well as any other game designed to hurt people, break bones and draw blood...I heard that somewhere
| 563 |
quickjustice Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:13:01am |
I'm reading reports that the Australian bushfires, which have created an inferno, and now have killed almost 200, were deliberately set. A terrorist attack?
| 564 |
Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:13:10am |
Good Morning Lizards!
3 days until pitchers and catchers report! Spring is in the air!
Just a driveby. Busy at work. Will try to check back in later.
| 566 |
Crossie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:13:39am |
re: #476 big steve
Guns 'n Roses?
I believe Tiger Woods' wife is Swedish which would account for Axel.
| 567 |
realwest Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:13:59am |
re: #535 Pietr
Hey Pietr - well I woke up on the right side of the grass so I reckon I'm doing ok, thanks! I'm actually kinda pissed off at myself - I have to see my oncologist a week from Wednesday for my stomach shot and a "consult" and I've been thinking it was THIS Wednesday. Nervous? Who, me?! LOL!
How are you doing today?
| 568 |
Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:14:26am |
re: #562 albusteve
I'm pretty sure we invented rugby as well as any other game designed to hurt people, break bones and draw blood...I heard that somewhere
Like ice hockey?
| 569 |
Irish Rose Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:15:43am |
Good morning, lizards.
Another week on tap, and this one promises to be a doozy.
How's everyone?
| 570 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:16:49am |
re: #566 Crossie
I believe Tiger Woods' wife is Swedish which would account for Axel.
| 571 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:17:06am |
| 572 |
pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:17:21am |
re: #569 Irish Rose
Well, we are here and posting so IMO we be fine, except for being overrun with socialists! Wish there was a bug spray for those annoying varmints.
| 573 |
scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:17:44am |
Good morning, Lizard Clan...just wanted to thank you again for your thoughts and prayers for us...we had to put our wee dog down Saturday morning. There was nothing the vet could do for him. We held him until he was gone, then went home to mourn the loss of the best four-footed friend we've ever known. We are stunned at how intertwined he was with everything we did, now made painfully clear by his absence.
He viewed himself as a member of the people-pack to such a degree that we find ourselves turning constantly to look for him, talk to him, because he kept to our sides always. The most curious of dogs, he had to inspect everything we put our hands to. We still make room for him beside us, but his affectionate countenance is no longer there. We always called him 'the small dog with the large presence' and now we're finding out just how large that was.
I'm going to go make myself very busy now, to hopefully not miss my little shadow of twelve years as much as I fear I will, and work at making a new daily dance that doesn't include my four-footed partner, as difficult as that will be.
Thanks again for thinking of us.
| 574 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:17:51am |
| 575 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:18:04am |
re: #563 quickjustice
I'm reading reports that the Australian bushfires, which have created an inferno, and now have killed almost 200, were deliberately set. A terrorist attack?
why not...2 to 1 for
| 576 |
realwest Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:18:12am |
re: #539 aussiemagpie
Hey there {Aussie} *smoooch* back to you - and I feel for them too - have the torrential rains at least stopped or slowed down or are y'all still suffering from that double whammy of fires/floods?
And I sure wish you folks had the death penalty - or at least would make those clowns who set the fires be "free" amongst the prison population at large.
| 577 |
soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:18:32am |
re: #572 pingjockey
Well, we are here and posting so IMO we be fine, except for being overrun with socialists! Wish there was a bug spray for those annoying varmints.
Quick get the bat socialist repellent.
| 578 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:19:14am |
| 579 |
realwest Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:19:14am |
re: #543 notutopia
Hey there notutopia! I'm doing ok, I guess - how are you doing?
| 580 |
Irish Rose Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:19:24am |
re: #573 scottishbuzzsaw
My sympathies, I know how acutely painful the loss of a beloved pet can be.
| 581 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:19:26am |
re: #568 Leonidas Hoplite
Like ice hockey?
I've seen some bloody curling matches! Ever get whacked in the head with a broom!?!?!
| 582 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:19:57am |
| 583 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:20:02am |
re: #581 sattv4u2
I've seen some bloody curling matches! Ever get whacked in the head with a broom!?!?!
Yeah, when I told my wife I'd be out all night drinking.
/
| 584 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:20:18am |
the Aussies invented tennis and later, ping pong...
| 585 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:20:28am |
re: #583 Wyatt Earp
Yeah, when I told my wife I'd be out all night drinking.
/
She hit you with my wifes mode of transportation!?!?!?
| 586 |
aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:20:40am |
re: #562 albusteve
I'm pretty sure we invented rugby as well as any other game designed to hurt people, break bones and draw blood...I heard that somewhere
LOL! Yes Americans are such brutes! /
| 587 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:20:49am |
re: #564 Ford_Prefect
Good Morning Lizards!
3 days until pitchers and catchers report! Spring is in the air!
Just a driveby. Busy at work. Will try to check back in later.
Sorry Cubs fans. It is next year.
| 588 |
lurking faith Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:21:30am |
re: #549 Lively
I saw on Drudge that Ford is going to invest $1 Billion of US treasury money......on a plant in Brazil.
Is that the way Dems stimulate an economy?
/outrageous
Wait - I thought Ford was the auto company that wasn't taking any actual bailout funds, just guarantees. Has that changed?
| 589 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:21:32am |
| 590 |
realwest Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:21:47am |
re: #549 Lively
Write to your congresscritters NOW - if that's true that's more American jobs lost and at OUR expense. This whole nonsense "stimulus" package is on top of what we've given to the Big 3 - might not keep them from doing anything to GM, but might make them pause before going forward with this erzatz Stimulus bill.
| 592 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:22:26am |
re: #587 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sorry Cubs fans. It is next year.
And the Cubs are already mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Ha!
| 593 |
soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:22:37am |
re: #573 scottishbuzzsaw
Good morning, Lizard Clan...just wanted to thank you again for your thoughts and prayers for us...we had to put our wee dog down Saturday morning. There was nothing the vet could do for him. We held him until he was gone, then went home to mourn the loss of the best four-footed friend we've ever known. We are stunned at how intertwined he was with everything we did, now made painfully clear by his absence.
He viewed himself as a member of the people-pack to such a degree that we find ourselves turning constantly to look for him, talk to him, because he kept to our sides always. The most curious of dogs, he had to inspect everything we put our hands to. We still make room for him beside us, but his affectionate countenance is no longer there. We always called him 'the small dog with the large presence' and now we're finding out just how large that was.
I'm going to go make myself very busy now, to hopefully not miss my little shadow of twelve years as much as I fear I will, and work at making a new daily dance that doesn't include my four-footed partner, as difficult as that will be.
Thanks again for thinking of us.
Having just gone through the same myself, will keep a warm spot in my heart and thoughts for you in this time of grieving.
| 594 |
pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:22:43am |
re: #573 scottishbuzzsaw
Terrible. We had to put our Golden Retreiver down a week ago Thursday. A hole the size of Texas was left in the house. Nobody at the top of the stairs when you come home, nobody begging for table scraps. I don't know why we have pets.....Because of unconditional love, that's why. The better half stood it for one week and then went to the Humane Society and adopted a pound puppy!
| 595 |
Irish Rose Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:22:58am |
re: #590 realwest
Write to your congresscritters NOW - if that's true that's more American jobs lost and at OUR expense. This whole nonsense "stimulus" package is on top of what we've given to the Big 3 - might not keep them from doing anything to GM, but might make them pause before going forward with this erzatz Stimulus bill.
I wouldn't count on it.
| 596 |
realwest Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:23:03am |
re: #553 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Hey LT! Well then don't talk to the ground! LOL! How are you doing today?
| 597 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:23:13am |
re: #573 scottishbuzzsaw
Sad for you. Bury me with my dog.
He's a lot easier to get along with than my kids.
| 598 |
realwest Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:23:45am |
re: #595 Irish Rose
I'd count not writing to them being even less effective.
| 599 |
aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:24:12am |
re: #563 quickjustice
I'm reading reports that the Australian bushfires, which have created an inferno, and now have killed almost 200, were deliberately set. A terrorist attack?
Too early to tell, investigation teams are now in place so we'll soon know which fires were deliberately set
| 600 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:24:17am |
Obama blows up sludge tank, floods Chicago 'burb.
//////////////////////////////////////////
A play right outta the Bush handbook.
Rove, you magnificent bastard!
| 602 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:24:37am |
re: #590 realwest
Write to your congresscritters NOW - if that's true that's more American jobs lost and at OUR expense. This whole nonsense "stimulus" package is on top of what we've given to the Big 3 - might not keep them from doing anything to GM, but might make them pause before going forward with this erzatz Stimulus bill.
I have...
gov-donk
2 senators-donks
3 reps-donks
got one standard reply from Jeff Bingaman...senator
| 603 |
rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:24:41am |
re: #573 scottishbuzzsaw
We may be suddenly faced with the same circumstance, after having to go through it in '04.
May you find strength during this time.
| 604 |
soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:24:46am |
re: #592 Wyatt Earp
And the Cubs are already mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Ha!
Should prove to be interesting for the Yankees with the whole A-Rod thing.
| 605 |
pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:24:53am |
The census is now going to be under White House control. Gee, redrawing congressional districts ya think?!///////////////
| 606 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:25:05am |
re: #599 aussiemagpie
Good to see that you're OK, Magpie - our Aussie Lizards were the first people I was thinking of this morning.
| 607 |
notutopia Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:25:25am |
re: #579 realwest
Hey there notutopia! I'm doing ok, I guess - how are you doing?
Good real. The Obama transactions have had me somewhat more personally stressed than usual. I have been purposefully doing more outdoors activities and getting the field ready for spring planting. Animal chores, like hoof care and cleaning out stables, will cure you of pent up stress real quick!
I hope you are feeling well and get to enjoy some of this gorgeous weather today.
| 608 |
realwest Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:25:42am |
re: #555 reine.de.tout
Hey reine! Y'all should check the update on the prior post for when the Kindle 2 is gonna be available!
| 609 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:26:02am |
re: #601 realwest
Howdy Wyatt - How are ya today?
Morning Real! Doing okay, except for the being stuck at work crap.
| 610 |
scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:27:08am |
re: #603 rightside
We may be suddenly faced with the same circumstance, after having to go through it in '04.
May you find strength during this time.
Thank you. I am so sorry to hear that you may be facing it again. My thoughts and prayers are with you, too.
| 611 |
soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:27:09am |
re: #605 pingjockey
The census is now going to be under White House control. Gee, redrawing congressional districts ya think?!///////////////
Guess no one was more qualified to handle this than Emmanuel
| 612 |
Pietr Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:27:39am |
re: #573 scottishbuzzsaw
Deepest of regrets-I know how hard that is. We went through it with a 12 yr old Jack Russel-kept her alive and going, until life stopped being fun for her (congestive heart problems). When that happened, we had to let her go, and the vet made it less painfull for our furry, family member. Fond remembrance will eventually surpass the ache, but it'll take time......
| 613 |
notutopia Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:28:14am |
re: #573 scottishbuzzsaw
Good morning, Lizard Clan...just wanted to thank you again for your thoughts and prayers for us...we had to put our wee dog down Saturday morning. There was nothing the vet could do for him. We held him until he was gone, then went home to mourn the loss of the best four-footed friend we've ever known. We are stunned at how intertwined he was with everything we did, now made painfully clear by his absence.
He viewed himself as a member of the people-pack to such a degree that we find ourselves turning constantly to look for him, talk to him, because he kept to our sides always. The most curious of dogs, he had to inspect everything we put our hands to. We still make room for him beside us, but his affectionate countenance is no longer there. We always called him 'the small dog with the large presence' and now we're finding out just how large that was.
I'm going to go make myself very busy now, to hopefully not miss my little shadow of twelve years as much as I fear I will, and work at making a new daily dance that doesn't include my four-footed partner, as difficult as that will be.
Thanks again for thinking of us.
My heart aches in empathy for you and your family. Losing your pet family member, who gives unconditional love is so painful. My sincere condolences.
{scottishbuzzsaw}
| 614 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:28:31am |
re: #611 soxfan4life
Guess no one was more qualified to handle this than Emmanuel
if he personally counts every citizen, we can get him out of the White House for years! Can you imagine the outcry if Rove did this?
| 615 |
aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:28:34am |
re: #573 scottishbuzzsaw
You poor darling! I'm so sorry to hear this and that terrible empty feeling of loss is just awful
{scottishbuzzsaw}
| 616 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:28:38am |
re: #587 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sorry Cubs fans. It is next year.
Yes, and they still have a perfect record! Things are looking up.
| 617 |
pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:28:55am |
re: #611 soxfan4life
I have been totally underwhelmed with the quality of the ones staff and cabinet. They have the chance to be worse than Carters' bunch of feckless fools!
| 618 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:29:41am |
I wonder if Charles ever imagined the friendships that have been struck at LGF. Can't imagine that he envisioned the kind of concern for others that runs through these threads.
| 619 |
realwest Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:29:53am |
re: #605 pingjockey
Not necessariyly Ping - IIRC it was Malkin's site or Ace of Spades that quesioned Obama's taking over the Census.
Ace of Spades, actually - y'all might want to check over there for why.
| 620 |
soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:30:16am |
re: #614 Wyatt Earp
if he personally counts every citizen, we can get him out of the White House for years! Can you imagine the outcry if Rove did this?
Rove could never be as evil as this crew.
| 621 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:30:46am |
re: #615 aussiemagpie
I understand you are on a really big continent and all; but how are the fires affecting you? We are thinking of our Aussie Lizard friends.
| 622 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:30:53am |
re: #560 Naso Tang
Buy a couple of paper books. Read them, and then go buy a kindle when it's on sale.
Mr. Practical.
My birthday is coming up and this would be the perfect gift.
| 623 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:30:53am |
| 624 |
aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:30:57am |
re: #576 realwest
Hey there {Aussie} *smoooch* back to you - and I feel for them too - have the torrential rains at least stopped or slowed down or are y'all still suffering from that double whammy of fires/floods?
And I sure wish you folks had the death penalty - or at least would make those clowns who set the fires be "free" amongst the prison population at large.
Darls, the floods are still going strong up north, and fires are still burning down south
It's not a good week here in OZ
| 625 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:31:21am |
re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sad for you. Bury me with my dog.
He's a lot easier to get along with than my kids.
EXCEPT,,,, I never had to walk my kids in -20 temps with snow up to my knees so he could poop/ pee~!
| 626 |
pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:31:33am |
re: #619 realwest
Thank you. It was just on FNC. This was the first I'd heard of it. I thought (silly me) that the Census was supposed to be non-partisan.
| 627 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:31:40am |
| 628 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:31:48am |
The census thing shows how much they'll cheat in the open. Shudder about what we can't know about.
| 629 |
realwest Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:31:50am |
re: #573 scottishbuzzsaw
Aw, (Scotti) I'm so sorry for your loss - but you did the right thing, I think - not that that's much comfort now, but at least your "pet" member of the family won't be in any pain.
{Hugs}
| 630 |
Pietr Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:31:52am |
re: #584 albusteve
the Aussies invented tennis and later, ping pong...
Gnop Gnip? Thought that was Chinese......
| 631 |
scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:32:45am |
re: #612 Pietr
Deepest of regrets-I know how hard that is. We went through it with a 12 yr old Jack Russel-kept her alive and going, until life stopped being fun for her (congestive heart problems). When that happened, we had to let her go, and the vet made it less painfull for our furry, family member. Fond remembrance will eventually surpass the ache, but it'll take time......
Our terrier mutt would have been 16 this fall. We rescued him when he was 4, worked hard at getting him healthy, and it was, just as you say, when life stopped being fun for this grateful dog who found joy in everything...well, there was only one choice, the best for him...
| 632 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:33:14am |
re: #626 pingjockey
Thank you. It was just on FNC. This was the first I'd heard of it. I thought (silly me) that the Census was supposed to be non-partisan.
The Census can never be non-partisan.
The Census determines representation in the House.
The Donks smell blood in the water and want to ACORN their way to permanent power with "safe" seats.
| 633 |
realwest Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:33:28am |
re: #607 notutopia
Why thanks notutopoia - dunno if I'm gonna be going out or not, still feel kinda just - crappy.
| 636 |
rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:34:28am |
re: #618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's simply raw humanity on display.
| 637 |
aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:34:34am |
| 638 |
pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:35:18am |
re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sad isn't it. We will put our parties and personal agendas ahead of the good of the country. tfk is right, "evil two party money cult".
| 639 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:35:39am |
re: #636 rightside
It's simply raw humanity on display.
Funny. Go and look at what you responded too. That's funny.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:35:48am |
re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nothing is non-partisan.
I understand the vote on when to serve Navy bean soup in the Senate dining room was split along party lines, although Olympia Snow joined the Dems in pushing for the destructive, unnecessarily expense Tues-Thurs-Sat schedule!
/
//She eats her soft-boiled eggs from the large end, too, the infidel
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:36:26am |
re: #632 OldLineTexan
The Census can never be non-partisan.
The Census determines representation in the House.
The Donks smell blood in the water and want to ACORN their way to permanent power with "safe" seats.
the Dept of ACORN...cabinet seat
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:36:37am |
re: #639 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oops, Rightside, I swear I read stupidity. I swear. Duh!
You're right. I love the humanity here.
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notutopia Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:37:08am |
re: #615 aussiemagpie
{aussiemagpie}
I get a lump in my throat every time I view the news and see the devastation of these wildfires in Australia. The lives lost, property and homes gone, cattle, roos, horses and wildlife now without natural habitat.
I saw an article this morning that said they believe this is arson. There was also a website asking for Red Cross donations to help the victims.
[Link: edition.cnn.com...]
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realwest Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:37:30am |
re: #618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian I have to say FBV - that I don't think Charles envisoned what a little "community" LGF would turn out to be - but that's partially because of Charles doing such interesting blogging and mostly because he attracks commenters who are not only - for the most part - bright and witty, but compassionate folks as well. The commenters have really created the community here - Charles gave us (and keeps on giving us) fertile ground for the community.
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rightside Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:37:47am |
re: #639 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hmm, I responded to the correct post. Not sure what you mean?
I was saying that humanity in general cares for one another. This board brings many countries together, and the result is what you get!
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pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:38:13am |
I see the one is off to Indianna. So we aren't going to vote present, we're just gonna be on permanent campaign.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:39:32am |
re: #606 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Good to see that you're OK, Magpie - our Aussie Lizards were the first people I was thinking of this morning.
{BDVM} we're a long way from fires and floods, safe and sound in Sydney
However, this tragedy in Victoria is the worst peacetime disaster in OZ, and it's shaken us all
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Achilles Tang Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:39:34am |
re: #622 reine.de.tout
Mr. Practical.
My birthday is coming up and this would be the perfect gift.
But then should not someone else be dealing with these difficult decisions?
Happy Birthday whenever it comes.
:)
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notutopia Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:39:38am |
re: #633 realwest
Why thanks notutopoia - dunno if I'm gonna be going out or not, still feel kinda just - crappy.
So Sorry to hear that real. Your health and you're in my daily prayers.
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soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:39:43am |
re: #646 pingjockey
I see the one is off to Indianna. So we aren't going to vote present, we're just gonna be on permanent campaign.
Beats leading doesn't it?
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Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:40:01am |
re: #646 pingjockey
I see the one is off to Indianna. So we aren't going to vote present, we're just gonna be on permanent campaign.
He is much better at campaigning than being POTUS.
| 654 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:41:04am |
re: #650 Naso Tang
But then should not someone else be dealing with these difficult decisions?
Happy Birthday whenever it comes.
:)
Just tell the Roi that it is his part of the economic stimulus.
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realwest Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:41:22am |
re: #626 pingjockey
Hey ping - the Census IS supposed to be non-partisan, but Obama is politicizing it - or trying to; seriously try the Ace of Spades and probably Malkin too - some good stuff there about the Census. Some pesky law that the Commerce Department is the one who designates who's gonna run the Census and who is the nominee for Chairman of the Commerce Department- that Republican Senator who wouldn't accept it unless the Dem goveneor of his state promised to replace him with a Republican in the US Senate.
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pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:41:25am |
re: #652 soxfan4life
Yep. I hope all the fools that voted for the one are fucking happy. I know the most vociferous anti-war kooks aren't. They want uni-lateral surrender NOW!
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pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:42:46am |
re: #655 realwest
Aha. Thanks again. BTW, good morning and thoughts and prayers from my tribe to your family and you.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:42:50am |
re: #653 Wyatt Earp
He is much better at campaigning than being POTUS.
this will backfire on him....there are tiny little cracks in his phony veneer...his presser tonight might reveal more...imo
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:42:58am |
re: #618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I wonder if Charles ever imagined the friendships that have been struck at LGF. Can't imagine that he envisioned the kind of concern for others that runs through these threads.
My son and his GF were welcomed into the homes of two very dear LGF friends when they were in the US last year
That was very special
| 660 |
realwest Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:43:15am |
re: #651 notutopia
Why thank you notutopia! That's a kind and lovely thing to say.
And it is appreciated, very much.
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Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:43:52am |
re: #658 albusteve
this will backfire on him....there are tiny little cracks in his phony veneer...his presser tonight might reveal more...imo
I hope so. Two weeks and already he seems like the incompetent fool he is.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:44:40am |
re: #655 realwest
Hey real! Every census I can remember has been politicized. By the left.
I remember the left wanting to count people they couldn't find because, since they couldn't find them, they were therefore homeless and deserved to be counted.
"We counted 20,000 in L.A. County, so there must be 2,000,000..." kind of thing.
Perhaps 500,000,000 is Nancy Pelosi's count.
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pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:44:41am |
re: #658 albusteve
This presser has the potential to be a very big train wreck, even if the msm lackeys ask softball questions. Their (msm) agenda isn't getting through as fast as they want.
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soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:45:52am |
re: #656 pingjockey
Yep. I hope all the fools that voted for the one are fucking happy. I know the most vociferous anti-war kooks aren't. They want uni-lateral surrender NOW!
I think the fools that voted for the One were happy from November to January. Once they woke up on January 21, 2009 and there were not 2 suns in the sky, unicorns in everyone's yard, and still had a zero bank balance they realized he was the sham that they were warned about. As for the kooks, here's hoping they're never happy.
| 666 |
lurking faith Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:46:02am |
"Hope and Change" very swiftly turned into "looming National Catastrophe", didn't it?
Gee, I'm glad the years of politicized fear-mongering are over.
/
| 667 |
pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:47:01am |
re: #665 soxfan4life
They far left is never happy. They want everyone as miserable as they are.
| 668 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:47:12am |
re: #663 pingjockey
This presser has the potential to be a very big train wreck, even if the msm lackeys ask softball questions. Their (msm) agenda isn't getting through as fast as they want.
the first guy to really pin BO will be an instant celebrity...someone will go for it sooner or later I think...
I hate the MSM
| 669 |
pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:48:53am |
re: #668 albusteve
You and anyone with a functioning brain. Which lets out a whole bunch of the utopians and kkkoskids, huffers, etc... I hope they all get apoplexy.
| 670 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:49:16am |
re: #668 albusteve
the first guy to really pin BO will be an instant celebrity...someone will go for it sooner or later I think...
I hate the MSM
Have Joe the Plumber show up at the press conference!
| 671 |
soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:49:18am |
re: #667 pingjockey
They far left is never happy. They want everyone as miserable as they are.
Reminds me of my ex-wife
| 672 |
aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:49:34am |
re: #621 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I understand you are on a really big continent and all; but how are the fires affecting you? We are thinking of our Aussie Lizard friends.
Little blessing is closest to the fires which are burning within 1 to 2 hours drive from Melbourne
Crux lives in the NW and I'm in the SW of Sydney
There are a few others who post here occasionally but I'm not sure where they live
It's wonderful knowing that overseas Lizards support our country during this horrible time :-)
| 673 |
pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:54:52am |
re: #672 aussiemagpie
We get forest fires up here in Wash. state. But nothing on the scale you folks are having. Lightening strikes not arsonists(if the news is correct). Plus IIRC eucalptus(sp) has oily leaves and burns like hell. Plus we aren't quite as built up yet. We do have the urban/wildland interface but we have enough National Forest land to limit suburban sprawl, somewhat.
| 674 |
pingjockey Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:57:24am |
Going up thread. BTW, next on FNC an update on the fires.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:59:26am |
re: #643 notutopia
{aussiemagpie}
I get a lump in my throat every time I view the news and see the devastation of these wildfires in Australia. The lives lost, property and homes gone, cattle, roos, horses and wildlife now without natural habitat.
I saw an article this morning that said they believe this is arson. There was also a website asking for Red Cross donations to help the victims.
[Link: edition.cnn.com...]
Hi, it's just so sad, and I keep crying when I hear or see someone speaking about their experiences on Saturday night
Tonight, one poor woman now living in a tent on an oval was interviewed - she had one live dog with her, and with her, wrapped in a tarp, was the body of her second beloved dog - her family were around her and it was just awful to see her pain
| 676 |
Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 9, 2009 6:59:39am |
re: #581 sattv4u2
I've seen some bloody curling matches! Ever get whacked in the head with a broom!?!?!
Does it count if it was the wife that gave me the brrom whack?
| 677 |
Honorary Yooper Mon, Feb 9, 2009 7:00:58am |
re: #672 aussiemagpie
Regarding those fires, I came across a very interesting article that was posted on the Drudge Report.
Islam group urges forest fire jihad
AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for "forest jihad" by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror.
US intelligence channels earlier this year identified a website calling on Muslims in Australia, the US, Europe and Russia to "start forest fires", claiming "scholars have justified chopping down and burning the infidels' forests when they do the same to our lands".
The website, posted by a group called the Al-Ikhlas Islamic Network, argues in Arabic that lighting fires is an effective form of terrorism justified in Islamic law under the "eye for an eye" doctrine.
It just struck me as interesting that an Islamic group would put this out at this time. It might be worth more investigation, IMHO.
| 678 |
notutopia Mon, Feb 9, 2009 7:05:05am |
re: #677 Honorary Yooper
Regarding those fires, I came across a very interesting article that was posted on the Drudge Report.
Islam group urges forest fire jihad
It just struck me as interesting that an Islamic group would put this out at this time. It might be worth more investigation, IMHO.
Whether it was Islamic fanatics or another arson maniac, I pray they get the fires under control and find those who are responsible for this homicide and fry their sick asses.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 7:08:15am |
re: #673 pingjockey
We get forest fires up here in Wash. state. But nothing on the scale you folks are having. Lightening strikes not arsonists(if the news is correct). Plus IIRC eucalptus(sp) has oily leaves and burns like hell. Plus we aren't quite as built up yet. We do have the urban/wildland interface but we have enough National Forest land to limit suburban sprawl, somewhat.
We've had big fires, we do most years but this one has by far the worst death toll
In 1994, we had huge bushfires right here in Sydney - with loss of life too
Many homes were destroyed in suburbs just to the east of our place
We'd been on holidays in Queensland and coming in to land over Sydney the view was just frightening - blackened bushland within sight of the CBD
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aussiemagpie Mon, Feb 9, 2009 7:14:49am |
re: #677 Honorary Yooper
Regarding those fires, I came across a very interesting article that was posted on the Drudge Report.
Islam group urges forest fire jihad
It just struck me as interesting that an Islamic group would put this out at this time. It might be worth more investigation, IMHO.
Thanks for this link, and I hope this will be investigated thoroughly
This was mentioned upthread, and I think it was Mandy who said if it was jihadists they would have put out a media release by now....
| 681 |
soxfan4life Mon, Feb 9, 2009 7:24:19am |
After listening to him on 60 minutes with Katie Couric, lets get Obama out and put Sully in charge of our rapid descent. At least give us a chance of surviving.
| 682 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 9, 2009 7:29:03am |
re: #650 Naso Tang
But then should not someone else be dealing with these difficult decisions?
Happy Birthday whenever it comes.
:)
thanks!
The someone else always asks me what I want.
| 683 |
Beach Lover Mon, Feb 9, 2009 7:51:10am |
re: #631 scottishbuzzsaw
I'm so sorry to hear this. Just went thru this 3 weeks ago with our sweet, sweet golden retriever, Jake. He was only 6. Losing a pet is losing a part of the family, I don't care what anyone says. They depend on you for everything, and give only unconditional love in return. I loved this video I got and the poem from fellow LGFers. the tears are still fresh for me, but please know there are those amoung us out here that know what you are going through.
[Link: www.indigo.org...]
| 684 |
jcbunga Mon, Feb 9, 2009 8:24:18am |
Outrage is such an over-used word, but this is an outrage:
Report: Poland to 'Punish' Taliban Who Beheaded Polish Geologist
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
This is who we are fighting. I don't think they're impressed with The One.
| 685 |
siberian khatru Mon, Feb 9, 2009 5:00:05pm |
Regarding that article in The Age everyone's talking about -- it's interesting how all of a sudden, that article has disappeared from their web site; if you follow that link now, all you get is a page that suggests searching their archives, and a search comes up dry.
Fortunately, I was able to dig it out of my local cache and preserve it. :) Here it is.
Islam group urges forest fire jihad
(Josh Gordon, The Age, September 8, 2008AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for "forest jihad" by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror.
US intelligence channels earlier this year identified a website calling on Muslims in Australia, the US, Europe and Russia to "start forest fires", claiming "scholars have justified chopping down and burning the infidels' forests when they do the same to our lands".
The website, posted by a group called the Al-Ikhlas Islamic Network, argues in Arabic that lighting fires is an effective form of terrorism justified in Islamic law under the "eye for an eye" doctrine.The posting — which instructs jihadis to remember "forest jihad" in summer months — says fires cause economic damage and pollution, tie up security agencies and can take months to extinguish so that "this terror will haunt them for an extended period of time".
"Imagine if, after all the losses caused by such an event, a jihadist organisation were to claim responsibility for the forest fires," the website says. "You can hardly begin to imagine the level of fear that would take hold of people in the United States, in Europe, in Russia and in Australia."
With the nation heading into another hot, dry summer, Australian intelligence agencies are treating the possibility that bushfires could be used as a weapon of terrorism as a serious concern.
Attorney-General Robert McClelland said the Federal Government remained "vigilant against such threats", warning that anyone caught lighting a fire as a weapon of terror would feel the wrath of anti-terror laws.
"Any information that suggests a threat to Australia's interests is investigated by relevant agencies as appropriate," Mr McClelland said.
Adam Dolnik, director of research at the University of Wollongong's Centre for Transnational Crime Prevention, said that bushfires (unlike suicide bombing) were generally not considered a glorious type of attack by jihadis, in keeping with a recent decline in the sophistication of terrorist operations."With attacks like bushfires, yes, it would be easy. It would be very damaging and we do see a decreasing sophistication as a part of terrorist attacks," Dr Dolnik said.
"In recent years, there have been quite a few attacks averted and it has become more and more difficult for groups to do something effective."
Dr Dolnik said he had observed an increase in traffic on jihadi websites calling for a simplification of terrorist attacks because the more complex operations had been failing. But starting bushfires was still often regarded as less effective than other operations because governments could easily deny terrorism as the cause.The internet posting by the little-known group claimed the idea of forest fires had been attributed to imprisoned Al Qaeda leader Abu Musab Al-Suri. It said Al-Suri had urged terrorists to use sulphuric acid and petrol to start forest fires.
| 686 |
MrPaulRevere Mon, Feb 9, 2009 11:05:51pm |
re: #112 MrPaulRevere
Speaking of things better left unsaid, this comment was one of them.
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 9, 2009 11:09:36pm |
re: #686 MrPaulRevere
No. It's not bad for me to be reminded from time to time that I don't always have to express my opinion.
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