No Fans Allowed When Sweden Hosts Israel

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In the Swedish city of Malmo, tennis matches between Sweden and Israel will be held in an empty arena, because they’re afraid of violence from Muslims. Of course, they don’t put it that way; it’s the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about.

MALMO, Sweden (AP) -Sweden and Israel will play their first-round Davis Cup match in an empty arena next month because of security concerns.

Several anti-Israeli demonstrations are planned during the best-of-five series, which will be played March 6-8 at the 4,000-seat Baltic Hall.

Malmo officials announced the decision after a vote on the issue in the city’s recreational committee. The Swedish Social Democratic Party and the Left Party won the vote 5-4 after a long debate.

The committee said it could not guarantee security for the fans.

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306 comments
1 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:33:34am

The lights may not be going out, but they are certainly dimming. When they do flicker their last, I doubt we shall see them re-lit on our lifetimes.

2 Onslow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:34:20am

"The committee said it could not guarantee security for the fans."

Hall of fame excuse.

3 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:34:33am

Gees,Louise.

Several anti-Israeli demonstrations are planned during the best-of-five series, which will be played March 6-8 at the 4,000-seat Baltic Hall.

You sure this isn't table tennis ?

Balls of Fury.

4 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:34:36am

No love for the Israeli tennis team.

5 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:34:50am

Sanity (empty arena) meets madness (you may fill in this).

6 Opinionated  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:35:25am

Up ahead.....the Twilight Zone.

7 x-wing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:35:27am

I'd like to volunteer myself to join the first shuttle mission to Mars. This planet has gone insane.

8 Gella  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:35:27am

this is wrong and that is after Israel player wasn't allowed to play

9 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:35:28am
10 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:35:58am

re: #1 calcajun

The lights may not be going out, but they are certainly dimming. When they do flicker their last, I doubt we shall see them re-lit on our lifetimes.

Thank Mr. Grey, you are certainly right. The demonstrations will be a cavalcade of hate, rage, and a taste for murder. I am sore afraid.

11 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:36:03am

Their balls aren't the only things that are yellow.

12 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:36:14am

Well, at least they're letting the Israelis come and play. By current Scandinavian standards, that's mighty tolerant of them.

13 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:36:21am

Every day, another surrender to jihad.

14 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:36:27am

This is, in a way, a good thing.

Maybe once radical Islam starts to bite into the daily lives of average Western citizens -- say, tennis fans -- instead of just first-responders and far-flung foreigners, people will start to get fed up.

How sad is that, though. To hope the inconvenience of an unwatched tennis match will reach people where thousands of deaths don't.

15 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:36:52am

Violence and Muslims? How is it in the interests of European Muslims to have these two concepts remain synonymous? There will be a reaction to this. It may be out-migration by non-Muslims, or something else. Whatever it is, it won't be good.

16 The Optimist  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:37:04am

"The committee said it could not guarantee security for the fans."
What they really meant was:
"The committee said it did not want witnesses to the violence they condoned."

17 ಠ_ಠ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:37:14am

C'mon guys, it's not like they thought that Muslin protesters would actually HURT anyone right?

I'm sure they were just worried that they would would cause traffic control problems or something....[/sarc]

18 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:37:49am

re: #17 GM_Yitzhak

C'mon guys, it's not like they thought that Muslin protesters would actually HURT anyone right?

I'm sure they were just worried that they would would cause traffic control problems or something....[/sarc]

More like we don't want to cause a spike in health care costs.

19 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:37:58am

Any Swedish Lizards living in Sweden here?

I know quite a few potential ones who have left, in part because this kind of crap started a long time ago.

20 x-wing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:38:19am

re: #14 Cognito

What?

21 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:38:22am

Where does this end? Will they have to cancel basketball games or force those games to be played in empty arenas when Israeli teams go to Europe (and happen to dominate quite regularly in competitions)?

The security issue isn't solved by keeping the fans from the stands; the Islamists can still congregate around the arenas and cause mayhem.

Where does it all end.

I'll tell you; by taking a stand and not allowing this madness to continue. It means going ahead with these games and having a zero tolerance policy towards those who engage in these act of violence or threaten violence.

The result of going along with this is that these Islamists get exactly what they want, and will expand their demands and threats elsewhere until there's no where left to turn.

22 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:38:32am

Why would anyone fear Muslims in Malmo?

/ Molotov Cocktails anyone?

23 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:38:40am

re: #14 Cognito

Maybe once radical Islam starts to bite into the daily lives of average Western citizens -- say, tennis fans -- instead of just first-responders and far-flung foreigners, people will start to get fed up.

True, but I don't think the tennis fans of Sweden will view it that way this time. There are Jews involved here. The fans' response will be "those damned Jews, going and angering the Muslims like that so that I can't watch my tennis match. We should kick all the Jews out so we can watch tennis again."

24 smokefire  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:38:52am

...........hockey, OK soccer, Yes, but violence in a tennis match?
What do you expect, John McEnroe to throw a racquet?

WTF

25 Land Shark  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:38:56am

Amazing to think that in supposedly free and civilized nation you can't have an Israeli team play in front of a crowd because of fear of violence from a certain group. Sweden reaps what it has sown in the multicultural "garden." A preview of what's in store for the rest of Europe and even the US and Canada?

26 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:39:23am

re: #16 venezuela lover

"The committee said it could not guarantee security for the fans."

More like they couldn't guarantee safety from the fans.

27 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:39:34am

There's a reason the stripe on the flag of Sweden is yellow.

28 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:40:11am

re: #14 Cognito

You would have thought that the cartoon jihad would have had a greater impact than it has, but tennis isn't exactly a first tier sport. Everyone around the world knows about cartoons...

Now, if this were a soccer (oh, I mean football) event, things might be different, but we've been slouching towards this for quite some time. People aren't noticing that the evil is being turned up ever so slowly.

29 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:40:34am
The committee said it could not guarantee security for the fans.

Isn't that what police are for?

30 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:40:37am
31 x-wing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:40:49am

re: #21 lawhawk

Hawk, speaking of b-ball, did you happen to see footage of that melee in Georgia the other night?

/sheesh

32 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:40:59am

re: #28 lawhawk

Soccer (er, football) is next, surely. And that'll get people angry.

33 planetdan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:41:27am

It's the tyranny of Islam, yet they blame the Jooos. How much clearer could it be?

34 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:41:41am

Cowardly sunsabitches. How are they going to find the extremists this way? The best defence against terror is to lead your lives as normal, and not let radical Islam affect your lives. When it does, enforce your laws to the full extent. Weenies.

35 kynna  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:41:41am

How many of these kinds of things have happened that nobody knows about. If the media is afraid, or too disgustingly craven to report it and make the big deal of it that should be made, then nobody will care and it will continue and grow to a point that it will be much more difficult to reverse.

The media is appallingly absent on the most important and destructive issues of the day.

36 smokefire  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:41:44am

re: #25 Land Shark

Amazing to think that in supposedly free and civilized nation you can't have an Israeli team play in front of a crowd because of fear of violence from a certain group. Sweden reaps what it has sown in the multicultural "garden." A preview of what's in store for the rest of Europe and even the US and Canada?

Amazing you say. 1972, and an Israeli athletes were murdered.

Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace

37 Opinionated  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:41:56am

The World's logic.

The Barbarians are dangerous, uncontrollable, and there is no way to be secure from them.

But.

Israel should not built a defensive wall. Israelis should not defend themselves. Israel should take security "risks" for "peace".

39 MJ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:42:13am

Will the Swedes make the Israeli players wear yellow Stars of David too?

40 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:43:15am

If the "authorities" didn't let demonstrations get to the point where violence is threatened, never mind actual violence occurs, they wouldn't have a problem.
Each time they let people get away with something, that just encourages the same behavior.
If you do nothing when your dog is aggressive, it will get more aggressive.
You stop the behavior early, before it gets out of hand.

41 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:43:20am

sweden has lost control of their country.

42 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:43:34am

Malmo has been lost for years.

43 Jinx  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:43:46am

"The committee said it could not guarantee security for the fans."

WTF?

Think about that statement. They can't guarantee the security for the fans. What do they expect? The Israeli tennis match to lob bombs into the crowd?

Keep fooling yourselves on your march to Dachau, Swedes.

44 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:44:00am

re: #35 kynna

It's coming around. See the Philadelphia post from earlier.

45 outsidephilly  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:44:09am

re: #14 Cognito

This is, in a way, a good thing.

Maybe once radical Islam starts to bite into the daily lives of average Western citizens -- say, tennis fans -- instead of just first-responders and far-flung foreigners, people will start to get fed up.

How sad is that, though. To hope the inconvenience of an unwatched tennis match will reach people where thousands of deaths don't.

Yes, how very sad......

46 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:44:31am

One question that needs to be asked:

Why are the Swedes having a tennis match in the country's worst slum?

47 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:44:52am

re: #23 Last Mohican

True, but I don't think the tennis fans of Sweden will view it that way this time. There are Jews involved here. The fans' response will be "those damned Jews, going and angering the Muslims like that so that I can't watch my tennis match. We should kick all the Jews out so we can watch tennis again."

I'm afraid you're right with that estimate.

To use a saying by a German painter in regard to the Nazis;
'I can't eat as much as I want to puke.'

48 walter l. newton  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:45:09am

re: #44 Cognito

It's coming around. See the Philadelphia post from earlier.

TOOL!

49 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:45:39am
50 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:45:45am

It is sad to think of where Sweden is going. All those Swedish women in burkhas instead of bikinis. Sad.

51 Pastorius  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:45:48am

This is why it is probably not a good idea to denigrate the "anti-Jihad movement" by putting the name in scare quotes.

52 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:45:49am

re: #21 lawhawk

Where does this end? Will they have to cancel basketball games or force those games to be played in empty arenas when Israeli teams go to Europe (and happen to dominate quite regularly in competitions)?

The security issue isn't solved by keeping the fans from the stands; the Islamists can still congregate around the arenas and cause mayhem.

Where does it all end.

I'll tell you; by taking a stand and not allowing this madness to continue. It means going ahead with these games and having a zero tolerance policy towards those who engage in these act of violence or threaten violence.

The result of going along with this is that these Islamists get exactly what they want, and will expand their demands and threats elsewhere until there's no where left to turn.

The problem if you are a politician is that taking a stand against Islamists is a guarantee of trouble on your watch. Most pols aren't willing to risk being blamed for creating a confrontation. The man who takes such a stand would have to be able to get his point of view out clearly enough to withstand willful mischaracterization by the left, and then would need to be able to keep his supporters morale up when the blood flows. Because make no mistake about it: If a stand is taken, there will be blood. I do not wish bloodshed to happen, but given the murderous intent of the Jihadis, I am certain that it will.

53 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:45:52am

re: #48 walter l. newton

Well argued.

54 SlartyBartfast  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:45:59am

"...it’s the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about."

That brings to mind an interesting op-ed entitled, "Housebreaking Islam."

Compare the quote:

Europe is slowly coming around to the idea that Islam must be housebroken, even as America continues insisting that Islam is just great except for a few extremists somewhere who wouldn’t have any influence, if we just appeased Muslims more. But Europe’s idea of housebreaking still misses the point.

Evicting a few Imams and banning religious clothing from schools certainly won’t housebreak Islam. It’s the impotent behavior of people who are too afraid to deal with the threat and can’t even name the problem.

Drudge is reporting that, "Obama moves toward Swedish model for banks". I worry that he may use the Swedish template for this type of thing as well...and it's coming...

55 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:46:13am

re: #27 Golem Akbar

There's a reason the stripe on the flag of Sweden is yellow.

Dumbass comment from someone ignorant of history.

56 walter l. newton  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:47:04am

re: #53 Cognito

Well argued.

I wasn't arguing anything, I was calling you a "tool." Typical media person, can't even get that right!

57 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:47:05am

re: #21 lawhawk

Where does this end? Will they have to cancel basketball games or force those games to be played in empty arenas when Israeli teams go to Europe (and happen to dominate quite regularly in competitions)?

The security issue isn't solved by keeping the fans from the stands; the Islamists can still congregate around the arenas and cause mayhem.

Where does it all end.

I'll tell you; by taking a stand and not allowing this madness to continue. It means going ahead with these games and having a zero tolerance policy towards those who engage in these act of violence or threaten violence.

The result of going along with this is that these Islamists get exactly what they want, and will expand their demands and threats elsewhere until there's no where left to turn.

Denial runs even deeper than that. Reading the book defiance it repeatedly talks about how the germans would liquidate 5,000 jews in a town, and other people in the same town would say, "Well they can't do that to all of us. They need some of us."

58 Pabloanno  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:47:09am

re: #14 Cognito

This is, in a way, a good thing.

Maybe once radical Islam starts to bite into the daily lives of average Western citizens -- say, tennis fans -- instead of just first-responders and far-flung foreigners, people will start to get fed up.

How sad is that, though. To hope the inconvenience of an unwatched tennis match will reach people where thousands of deaths don't.

Yeah but what then, will the people do about it once they're fed up?

59 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:47:34am

where will it end?....on our doorstep...I have a feeling a mammoth showdown is inevitable...bummer

60 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:47:34am

re: #55 Naso Tang

Dumbass comment from someone ignorant of history.

Excuse me?

61 dhg4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:47:43am

re: #21 lawhawk

Where does this end? Will they have to cancel basketball games or force those games to be played in empty arenas when Israeli teams go to Europe (and happen to dominate quite regularly in competitions)?

The security issue isn't solved by keeping the fans from the stands; the Islamists can still congregate around the arenas and cause mayhem.

Where does it all end.

I'll tell you; by taking a stand and not allowing this madness to continue. It means going ahead with these games and having a zero tolerance policy towards those who engage in these act of violence or threaten violence.

The result of going along with this is that these Islamists get exactly what they want, and will expand their demands and threats elsewhere until there's no where left to turn.

After 9/11 the late Michael Kelly wrote:

If it is morally acceptable to murder, in the name of a necessary blow for freedom, a woman on a Tel Aviv street, or to blow up a disco full of teenagers, or to bomb a family restaurant — then it must be morally acceptable to drive two jetliners into a place where 50,000 people work. In moral logic, what is the difference? If the murder of innocent people is for whatever reason excusable, it is excusable; if it is legitimate, it is legitimate. If acceptable on a small scale, so too on a grand.

The most successful terrorist organization in history, the PLO, started this. They had their sympathizers say, "Things must be so bad if the Palestinians are turning to terror. That doesn't excuse the terror but ..." And, of course, despite the denial those very same people were effectively excusing the terror.

The apologists for the PLO did two things:
1) They made terror (in general) respectable.
2) They made antisemitism respectable.

62 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:47:50am

re: #56 walter l. newton

So you disagree about Charles' earlier post?

Or... what?

63 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:47:51am

re: #48 walter l. newton

TOOL!

Walter, what did Cognito do to you?

64 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:48:30am

re: #51 Pastorius

This is why it is probably not a good idea to denigrate the "anti-Jihad movement" by putting the name in scare quotes.

As long as they ally with neo nazis, tribal nationalists, and populist pols who are just in it for the votes, they deserve the scare quotes.

65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:48:38am

re: #14 Cognito

Well stated, Cog. Hope you're doing okay.

66 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:49:06am

re: #55 Naso Tang

Dumbass comment from someone ignorant of history.


You have an argument to make or do you wish to just bash?

67 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:49:10am

re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am awesome. As always.

;)

68 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:49:48am

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

The problem if you are a politician is that taking a stand against Islamists is a guarantee of trouble on your watch. Most pols aren't willing to risk being blamed for creating a confrontation. The man who takes such a stand would have to be able to get his point of view out clearly enough to withstand willful mischaracterization by the left, and then would need to be able to keep his supporters morale up when the blood flows. Because make no mistake about it: If a stand is taken, there will be blood. I do not wish bloodshed to happen, but given the murderous intent of the Jihadis, I am certain that it will.

To be sure - but the vote of the politicians was 5 - 4. It was the Libtards who had the 'majority' of that one vote. Thus - no fans.
LLL politics and politicians - why would we be surprised!

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:50:12am

re: #67 Cognito

My reply is, "Awesome! (at least that's what my wife calls me)"

70 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:50:17am

Things can only get better when the Swedish Bikini Team shows up


Youtube Video
71 walter l. newton  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:50:55am

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

Walter, what did Cognito do to you?

Cog is a mouth piece for the MSM, as he has proven here many times, and I really don't take stock with much of his opinions.

No more than certain people here are not in my fan club. Gee, it happens sometimes.

72 outsidephilly  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:51:10am

re: #67 Cognito

Have you read the philly's latest ~ Philly police, judge clash over memorial photo Your text to link...

73 Big Steve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:51:12am

Vilken grupp av mesar

74 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:51:24am
75 Land Shark  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:51:28am

re: #37 Opinionated

And there's still people in Israel talking of trading more land for peace. Err, fellas, where's the peace you thought you were getting when you gave up the land you already gave up and got a hail of rockets for your trouble?

All their are doing is giving Hamas more territory from which to launch rockets at Israel.

76 Pastorius  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:51:29am

64 Thanos,
Not all of them do.

There's me, and presumably you, and Charles.

The world requires an anti-Jihad movement, because the Jihad is completely over-the-line, obnoxious, and anti-Western/American.

If no one takes up the cause, then nothing will be done about it.

I consider myself an anti-Jihadist, and I don't appreciate the idea being denigrated by being thrown in the pile with those who would support the VB.

77 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:51:30am

sweden has to cautiously maneuver around possible threats of violence from the moslems in their country.

who is really running the show there?

there are so many videos of the police in europe cowering and fleeing from mobs of barbaric moslems as they protest and demand their "islamic rights."
the pendulum of common sense needs to start swinging the other way and crush these fckers.
or truly europe is doomed.

78 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:51:51am

re: #60 Golem Akbar

Excuse me?

It was a dumbass comment is what. I'll agree with most here on the current state of affairs in Sweden, and so will a great many Swedes, but I believe the flag was the same before anyone in Sweden knew what a frigging Muslim was, and while they ruled Norway, Finland and much of Russia.

79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:52:07am

Seems a bit feisty today, to me. I'm going to run away.

Feist!

80 Rich H  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:52:18am

re: #25 Land Shark

I think that Bosnia and Kosovo were the previews of what is in store for Western Europe.

81 pat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:52:45am

this is strange. a whole nation intimidated by nutcases

82 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:52:50am

re: #58 Pabloanno

Yeah but what then, will the people do about it once they're fed up?

I wish I knew. I can't say for sure, but there are three main possibilities:

1. They will take a firm stand and begin to reign in the Islamists.
2. (Possible extension of 1) The Islamists will cow them back into submission via terrorism.
3. The Swedes who are fed up will leave Sweden and going somewhere less hostile.

83 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:54:03am

re: #14 Cognito

This is, in a way, a good thing.

Maybe once radical Islam starts to bite into the daily lives of average Western citizens -- say, tennis fans -- instead of just first-responders and far-flung foreigners, people will start to get fed up.

How sad is that, though. To hope the inconvenience of an unwatched tennis match will reach people where thousands of deaths don't.

Don't be mean. They did have a long debate.

84 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:54:05am

re: #74 ploome hineni

and then what?

I think people said this after 911 - Now the west knows how we feel being dictated to by people like Mubarak. That the victimization is good so it will stir a response that will help other victims.

85 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:54:07am

re: #71 walter l. newton

Cog is a mouth piece for the MSM, as he has proven here many times, and I really don't take stock with much of his opinions.

No more than certain people here are not in my fan club. Gee, it happens sometimes.

I respect your opinion, Walter, but we will have to agree to disagree where Cognito is concerned.

86 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:54:36am

re: #76 Pastorius

64 Thanos,
Not all of them do.

There's me, and presumably you, and Charles.

The world requires an anti-Jihad movement, because the Jihad is completely over-the-line, obnoxious, and anti-Western/American.

If no one takes up the cause, then nothing will be done about it.

I consider myself an anti-Jihadist, and I don't appreciate the idea being denigrated by being thrown in the pile with those who would support the VB.

Don't count me as an "anti-jihadist" - I won't accept the label since it's been smeared by those I spoke of. Call me anti-radical Islamism, anti-terror, pro-liberty, or something, but not that.

87 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:54:52am
88 Pabloanno  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:55:10am

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

Leaving your country is an option but making terrorists and sponsors leave is not?

89 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:55:43am

OT:

There has been a significant development in the case of Mahmoud Masharawi, the twelve-year-old boy who was reportedly killed by an explosion on January 4, while playing on the roof of his family’s apartment building in Gaza. As many will recall, the case gained international attention after CNN and BBC’s Channel 4 broadcast video footage of Masharawi’s death, supposedly taped by his own brother Ashraf Masharawi, a Gazan filmmaker. The footage contained a scene supposedly depicting efforts to resuscitate Mahmoud Masharawi, a scene that was obviously faked for the camera’s benefit. LGF broke the story that the scene was staged, although CNN continued to maintain the legitimacy of the story, despite its obvious inauthenticity to anyone with medical experience.

Here’s the new development: The Norwegian government-funded television station, NRK, has produced a new 30+ minute documentary about the Masharawi case. The documentary was released on February 10, but I’ve refrained form posting about it until now, because it appeared for a while that NRK was preparing a version with English subtitles. Apparently they decided not to do so.

You can view the documentary in full by following this link. I’ll also submit this as an LGF spinoff link here.

If you wish, you can click the little down-arrow by the video viewer, and download the whole think for more careful analysis. Be warned, the file is 342.7 megabytes in size.

NRK in general, and their Brennpunkt show in particular, have a strongly anti-Israel agenda. Indeed, most of Brennpunkt’s website appears to be dedicated to demonizing Israel.

This documentary is no exception. It offers extensive analysis that supposedly supports the claim, stated as unsupported but self-evident fact by the BBC, that Israel deliberately targeted and murdered Masharawi and another boy, using a missile launched from a drone. I personally don’t believe that Israel has a policy of deliberately killing unarmed children, and even if they did, it would seem a tremendous waste of military resources to fly a drone around in the skies over Gaza all day long, circling and waiting for the emergence of two boys who could be killed using a very expensive guided missile.

The documentary offers new scenes of Mahmoud Masharawi’s treatment and subsequent death in Shifa Hospital in Gaza, and of the rooftop site where Masharawi was supposedly killed. I would be very interested in LGF’s military experts’ opinions about the blast site footage, and the analysis presented in the documentary by an American, English-speaking representative of the anti-Israel activist group “Human Rights Watch.” I have reviewed the new hospital scenes extensively, and I’ll present my conclusions about them in another post (to keep this one from getting too long).

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:55:51am

re: #71 walter l. newton

I like you both, so there.

91 Basho  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:55:57am
There are many other parallels between Leninism and Qutb’s Islamism, among them the incompatibility of each with anything else, entailing a fight to the finish supposedly followed by permanent bliss for the whole of mankind; a tension between complete determinism (by history and by God, respectively) and the call to intense activism; and the view that only with the installation of their systems does Man become truly himself. For Qutb’s worldview, therefore, the term Islamo-Leninism would be a more accurate description than Islamofascism.


[Link: www.city-journal.org...]

92 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:56:31am

re: #78 Naso Tang

It was a dumbass comment is what. I'll agree with most here on the current state of affairs in Sweden, and so will a great many Swedes, but I believe the flag was the same before anyone in Sweden knew what a frigging Muslim was, and while they ruled Norway, Finland and much of Russia.

Struck a nerve, did I? Sweden, like much of Europe, is showing a very dark side of their character, or lack thereof. They have a lot of bad history when it comes to caving into fascism and especially anti-semitism. When the Swedes show some backbone, I'll retract that statement. Until then, my snarky comment stands. [now, I haven't made this personal. Get it?]

93 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:56:41am

re: #86 Thanos

Don't count me as an "anti-jihadist" - I won't accept the label since it's been smeared by those I spoke of. Call me anti-radical Islamism, anti-terror, pro-liberty, or something, but not that.

"Pro-Liberty" seems to fit best as we do support liberty everywhere and for everyone against the Islamofascists, Eurofascists, the supporters of each, and even against thos who would make America into something it should not be, whether it go down the theocratic path or the socialistic path.

94 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:56:50am
95 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:57:33am

WOW, talk about "Head in the Sand"!

96 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:58:10am

re: #88 Pabloanno

Leaving your country is an option but making terrorists and sponsors leave is not?

No, removing terror-minded non-citizens is an option. But it is a option that requires a resolve I am not sure can be found in Sweden anymore.

97 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:58:37am
98 pat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:58:50am

re: #95 Amer-I-Can

WOW, talk about "Head in the Sand Snow"!

99 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:59:30am

After watching the hospital scenes of the new NRK documentary about the death of Mahmoud Masharawi, I have reached the following conclusions. If there is interest, I can discuss exactly why I reached these conclusions.

1. It appears that a boy, presumably Mahmoud Masharawi, really was brought to Shifa Hospital, suffering from numerous shrapnel wounds to the chest and abdomen (called “inlets” by Mads Gilbert in his news conference of January 13). The medical team that received Masharawi at Shifa included Mads Gilbert. They rendered some care, including intubating Masharawi and, I think, inserting a chest tube, but they never took him to the operating room, which would have been done almost immediately if all possible steps to save his life were being taken. Therefore, the team probably concluded early on that such extraordinary efforts would be futile in Masharawi’s case. This is consistent with the account offered by anti-Israel activist Paul Martin.

2. The first of the hospital scenes show Mahmoud Masharawi arriving at the hospital and receiving urgent treatment. These scenes were shot by medical personnel who were involved in Mahmoud’s care, almost certainly not by Ashraf Masharawi. In one scene (2:00 – 2:06), the videographer appears to be Mads Gilbert himself. It seems likely that Gilbert may have taped the other treatment scenes as well. This answers a question that some had asked: “how did Ashraf Masharawi receive the call about his brother’s injury and manage to get to the hospital in time to tape Mahmoud’s arrival?” The answer is that he didn’t tape it. Mads Gilbert did.

3. Not surprisingly, the subsequent scene with the absurdly faked chest compressions has been edited out of this documentary. However, other scenes that take place in the treatment bay following the bogus compressions have been left in, and indeed are more extensive than we have seen before (2:23-3:00). There’s no way to know who held the camera for these scenes, and there’s no reason to believe that it wasn’t Ashraf Masharawi. The dialogue in these scenes is stiff and artificial-sounding, and Mads Gilbert’s self-indulgent overacting for the camera’s benefit is particularly hard to take between 2:35 and 2:48. In this scene, I’m not sure, but I believe that I can see a single blip in the ECG tracing on the monitor screen, which would suggest that Gilbert’s diagnosis of “extreme bradycardia” on the tape is legitimate, and would further suggest that these scenes really were taped within minutes to a few hours after Mahmoud Masharawi’s death. If that’s the case, it’s not clear to me why the large man in the “fake code” scene did such a terrible job in pretending to administer chest compressions. I now think it’s less likely that he was trying to avoid injuring a live actor, which had been my first impression. Mahmoud probably was already dead at the time of the fake code scene (otherwise, they would have been ventilating him, and doing real chest compressions if he needed them). So I suppose the most likely possibilities are either that the large man felt ethically uncomfortable about mashing around violently on the body of a child whom he knew to be already dead, or that the man was just an actor, not a real caregiver, and he simply didn’t know how to simulate chest compressions realistically.

100 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:00:17am

re: #91 Basho

Well, you also have to consider that Qtub's Islam is really another form of socialism, not unlike Marxism (communism) and fascism. (We had a big discussion in the dead thread about communism, fascism, and their similarities.) So, Islamofascism really isn't all that off the mark when you understand that fascism is a brother to communism. The difference is merely in the details. For the communist, it is all for the proletariat. For the fascist, it is all for the state. For the islamist, it is all for the ummah.

101 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:00:25am

re: #89 Last Mohican

Quisling runs Norway again.
And has for a while. The Oslo accords, part of the creeping destruction of Israel.
Of all the Scandinavians, only the Danes have any fight left in them.
What happened to the Vikings?

102 CommonCents  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:00:54am
Sweden and Israel will play their first-round Davis Cup match in an empty arena next month because ... Several anti-Israeli demonstrations are planned ... The Swedish Social Democratic Party and the Left Party won the vote 5-4

I'll trim that story down in Michael Moorass fashion. Strangely this doesn't seem too out of whack.

103 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:01:09am

this is just like in germany when a violent moslem crowd noticed an israeli flag in the 4th floor window of a young couple. the mob went nuts.
rather than disperse the savages, the cops went in and tore the flag from the window.
the savages began cheering and looking around rabidly for their next victim
or target.
why wouldn't they?
they had the cops covering their backs. doing their bidding.
this is disgusting to watch.
the cowardice of those who are supposed to keep order in civilized society.
basically aligning w/ those who would destroy it.

104 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:01:12am

This is but a different face of the cowardice of Britain as well in not letting Geert enter. If you allow Islamists to suppress sports, arts, speech, and freedoms from fear then you deserve all the ugly names and derison people heap upon you.

Free societies shouldn't let radical minorities control their lives, whether they are Islamists, Black Blokkers, or terrorists.

105 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:01:27am

re: #89 Last Mohican

Thanks for posting that.

106 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:01:37am

re: #94 ploome hineni

And then, hopefully, people will begin to react to radical Islam the way they should have following the thousands of deaths I mentioned. React, that is, by intensifying efforts to stamp it out, across the spectrum of available means: financial embargoes, political estrangement, domestic and international pursuit, and war.

Were you looking for something in particular?

107 Roses  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:02:13am

At what point does it finally click? At what point do people stand up and say, "NO!" Beheadings and stonings broadcast gleefully over the internet didn't do it. Riots over cartoons and movies hasn't done it. Butchering schoolgirls hasn't done it. Blowing up your neighbors and countrymen in the Twin Towers didn't do it. Squashing free speech didn't do it.

What will it take?

108 Ron Shaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:02:25am

re: #30 buzzsawmonkey

Even tennis rackets strung with dried catgut have more guts than Swedish officials.

re: #34 Thanos

Cowardly sunsabitches. How are they going to find the extremists this way? The best defence against terror is to lead your lives as normal, and not let radical Islam affect your lives. When it does, enforce your laws to the full extent. Weenies.

I wonder how long it will be before that same statement can and will be made about America? Under Obama's rule, I suspect just around the next corner as he will definitely fold EU style under radical Islamic 'pressure.' He has already shown glimpses of this in less than 30 days at the wheel.

109 Cathypop  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:02:33am

When did Sweden have their balls removed?

110 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:02:35am

I hope the match is televised so that people can see the empty stadium, and therefore confront the reality of the situation.

111 justabill  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:02:50am

I was thinking about that Tennis match where the competitor from Israel was not allowed into the country.

My assumption is that since she was invited to the tourney, she was seated in it. Since, she is not in the country, she would not be able to show up for her first match, thus forfeiting it.

I wonder what the world reaction would be if all her opponents forfeit their matches to her, before she is required to be present to start the match. Thus she would win the tourney without being present. The tennis players could make a powerful statement of solidarity with her...

Of course, for players from certain unnamed countries, that would probably be the last tennis match they ever participate in...

112 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:02:51am

re: #92 Golem Akbar

Struck a nerve, did I? Sweden, like much of Europe, is showing a very dark side of their character, or lack thereof. They have a lot of bad history when it comes to caving into fascism and especially anti-semitism. When the Swedes show some backbone, I'll retract that statement. Until then, my snarky comment stands. [now, I haven't made this personal. Get it?]

You don't get the principle. If you want to say something critical say it, don't make dumbass quips. What you said is no different from laying a dump on the American flag just because you don't like Obama.

113 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:03:22am

re: #101 Kosh's Shadow

Quisling runs Norway again.
And has for a while. The Oslo accords, part of the creeping destruction of Israel.
Of all the Scandinavians, only the Danes have any fight left in them.
What happened to the Vikings?


/My guess is that they've moved to Minnesota.

114 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:03:49am

re: #99 Last Mohican

Just thanking you again for your work, and for wading into this filth, perpetrated by a doctor who rpesumambly has sworn the Hippocratic Oath.

115 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:03:58am
116 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:03:59am

re: #109 Cathypop

When did Sweden have their balls removed?

Sometime between Gustavus Adophus and WWII.

117 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:04:00am

re: #110 Ringo the Gringo

I hope the match is televised so that people can see the empty stadium, and therefore confront the reality of the situation.

Me too. Very much.

118 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:04:57am

re: #107 Roses

At what point does it finally click? At what point do people stand up and say, "NO!" Beheadings and stonings broadcast gleefully over the internet didn't do it. Riots over cartoons and movies hasn't done it. Butchering schoolgirls hasn't done it. Blowing up your neighbors and countrymen in the Twin Towers didn't do it. Squashing free speech didn't do it.

What will it take?

more of the same, sadly.
until people feel this evil more personally.
and have the courage to face it.
p.c. stupidity be damned.

119 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:04:57am

re: #101 Kosh's Shadow

Quisling runs Norway again.
And has for a while. The Oslo accords, part of the creeping destruction of Israel.
Of all the Scandinavians, only the Danes have any fight left in them.
What happened to the Vikings?

Vikings have grown fat and comfortable on their spoils.
Don't forget that Norway also is an oil-exporting country ...

120 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:05:01am

re: #115 ploome hineni

yes.........your plan

and which of the 'available means' you listed are now being implemented?

(on paper anyway? how to force an ally WHO HAS AGREED, for example, to financial embargo but does not actualy enforce)

That's my point exactly, Ploome. That people like those allies will hopefully come around to good sense.

121 pegcity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:06:00am

Why don't the cowardly Euro Peons just convert to islam and get it over with, we all know their itching too, just like they converted to Hitlerism without any provocation.

122 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:06:40am

re: #99 Last Mohican

You can see the fat guy giving chest compressions here to Nahoul the Bee:

Youtube Video
123 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:06:52am

re: #112 Naso Tang

You don't get the principle. If you want to say something critical say it, don't make dumbass quips. What you said is no different from laying a dump on the American flag just because you don't like Obama.


I get the principle. And if I thought America had sold it's soul, the way the EU has, I might just dump on it's flag. It hasn't, and I won't. And I wouldn't make it personal, calling the writer a dumbass. Do you get that?

124 Opinionated  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:06:53am

re: #75 Land Shark

And there's still people in Israel talking of trading more land for peace. Err, fellas, where's the peace you thought you were getting when you gave up the land you already gave up and got a hail of rockets for your trouble?

All their are doing is giving Hamas more territory from which to launch rockets at Israel.

Peres wakes up....and then immedietly goes back to sleep.

President Shimon Peres said Wednesday that he had erred in supporting Israel's unilateral withdrawal from Gaza.

The dovish leader, who has long been a champion of Israeli territorial withdrawals, said that although "lessons must be drawn" from the 2005 unilateral Gaza pullout, demographic and democratic considerations still necessitate the creation of a Palestinian state.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

125 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:07:08am

re: #109 Cathypop

When did Sweden have their balls removed?

When they accepted the Socialist Nanny State.

126 Gus  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:07:21am

Sweden: Cowards

127 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:07:26am

I just heard Rush read an article about a Banker going public with the fact that banks were given TARP money specifically to BUY UP BANKS - not increase credit. That's why they were forced to take it even if they didn't need it for credit purposes.

They were told that they couldn't talk about it.!

Bank Darwinism

U.S. Bank was told, not asked, to participate in the program, which is a Darwinian attempt to “synthesize” weaker banks into stronger banks through consolidation, Davis said at the forum, held at Thrivent Financial for Lutherans in Minneapolis. U.S. Bank (NYSE: USB) sold $6.6 billion in preferred stock with warrants to the U.S. Treasury in November through its capital purchase program.
128 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:07:34am

re: #103 nyc redneck

Yes, and in Norway, Jewish kids are no longer allowed to attend public schools. Why? Because if they did, the Muslim kids would attack them and beat the crap out of them.

129 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:07:57am
130 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:08:20am

re: #123 Golem Akbar

I get the principle. And if I thought America had sold it's soul, the way the EU has, I might just dump on it's flag. It hasn't, and I won't. And I wouldn't make it personal, calling the writer a dumbass. Do you get that?

Actually I called the comment dumbass. If makes you happy I'll admit to having made dumbass comments from time to time. I like to think I remember admitting to it.

131 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:08:29am

re: #103 nyc redneck

Yep - and we can thank all those laws for it, given by socialists and moonbat politicians.
What with 'sensitivity training', being aware of 'hate speech', 'racism', 'police brutality' and any offense possibly caused to those poor islamists - is it to be wondered that policemen opt for the easy way out rather than face their superiors/the MFM/politicians in order to defend themselves against said 'crimes'?

(Not that I condone their behaviour, far from it!)

132 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:08:44am

re: #129 ploome hineni

What does any of that have to do with what I said?

133 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:08:45am

re: #99 Last Mohican

That raises still more questions about Gilbert's attention to medical care for other patients at the hospital.

Why was he busy taking video if the hospital was allegedly short-staffed and incapable of handling the influx of casualties? He apparently had enough free time to mug for the cameras and take video of same.

134 Opinionated  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:08:51am

re: #124 Opinionated

immedietly =immediately

135 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:09:06am

re: #21 lawhawk

Where does this end? Will they have to cancel basketball games or force those games to be played in empty arenas when Israeli teams go to Europe (and happen to dominate quite regularly in competitions)?

The security issue isn't solved by keeping the fans from the stands; the Islamists can still congregate around the arenas and cause mayhem.

Where does it all end.

I'll tell you; by taking a stand and not allowing this madness to continue. It means going ahead with these games and having a zero tolerance policy towards those who engage in these act of violence or threaten violence.

The result of going along with this is that these Islamists get exactly what they want, and will expand their demands and threats elsewhere until there's no where left to turn.

This is no different than the bully on the playground getting away with his bullying until challenged. The solution is simple....carrying it out is the hard part.

136 SFGoth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:09:08am

So fear of Swedish violence is why Hitler invaded Norway instead? Did not know that. Hope Israel wins match after silent match.

137 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:09:49am

How tragic-and telling.
Europe (and presumably 53% of Americans who recently voted) hasn't yet figured out that cowardice will only embolden an aggressive adversary.

At least they aren't (yet) making the female players compete in Burkas...

138 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:10:07am

re: #130 Naso Tang

Actually I called the comment dumbass. If makes you happy I'll admit to having made dumbass comments from time to time. I like to think I remember admitting to it.


Then, I will respectfully ask you to explain why you think it's a dumbass comment.

139 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:10:27am
140 Wm T Sherman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:10:48am

Sweden deserves to be colonized by the Third World in retalitation for its own colonial history.

/

141 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:10:51am

re: #136 SFGoth

Yes indeed. And I hope not being able to see it makes people angry.

The danger, of course, as pointed out by Last Mohican, is that people will misdirect that anger at the innocent party. Because that's easier.

142 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:11:34am

re: #108 Ron Shaw

I wonder how long it will be before that same statement can and will be made about America? Under Obama's rule, I suspect just around the next corner as he will definitely fold EU style under radical Islamic 'pressure.' He has already shown glimpses of this in less than 30 days at the wheel.

It might head that way awhile, but it will never stand for very long here. If you haven't noticed now that O's in office there's a change in meme underway in some of the left as well. People will hate me and cat call me here, but .... if the "anti-jihad" movement here or in Europe hopes to succeed, they need some of the left as well on their side - they are just making noise for votes if they aren't trying to gain allies for the cause from the left. In Europe there is zero chance of success without some from the left, that's why toting Nazi baggage is so damaging to the cause. Here, we can fend it off with moderates and right, there they can't. So if they are serious about anti jihad in Europe and not just looking for populist votes then they better look in the mirror, do some soul searching, and start seeking some allies from the left as well.

143 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:11:50am

re: #139 ploome hineni

You seem eager to ask questions, and just as eager to ignore the answers.

144 wiffersnapper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:12:09am

Just unclench, dammit!

145 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:12:18am
146 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:12:42am

re: #128 Last Mohican

Yes, and in Norway, Jewish kids are no longer allowed to attend public schools. Why? Because if they did, the Muslim kids would attack them and beat the crap out of them.

And there is a way to deal with this.
Its called 'Criminal Law'.
Why is it not being used?


(See - one does have other options than calling for enforced removal of people!)

147 SFGoth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:12:44am

re: #43 Jinx

"The committee said it could not guarantee security for the fans."

WTF?

Think about that statement. They can't guarantee the security for the fans. What do they expect? The Israeli tennis match to lob bombs into the crowd?

Keep fooling yourselves on your march to Dachau, Swedes.

They'd be lucky to go to Dachau. It predates the death camps: Auschwitz, Sobibor, Treblinka, Bergen-Belsen..., and now Malmo.

148 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:12:50am

But won't Sweden get an EU Hate Crime sanction for even suggesting that the RoP can't watch a tennis match without flying into a rage?

Increasingly with these people there are fewer options and all of them are bad.

149 KenJen  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:12:59am

Sweden sucks. I was there a few years ago to visit a friend. So boring. Their museum of modern art was a joke. The feature piece was a stuffed mountain goat with a car tire around its neck.

150 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:13:02am
151 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:13:08am

re: #99 Last Mohican

I think that video solves another mystery. In the original Chanel 4 segment the scene on the couch at home was before they took him to the hospital. In the CNN segment is was after they took him to the hospital. This new version also places the scenes at home after the hospital.

152 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:13:42am
153 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:13:49am

re: #146 yma o hyd

Makes one think that the 'rule of law' is now also a victim to political correctness.
Go figure.

154 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:13:59am

re: #152 ploome hineni

You do not?

155 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:14:02am

re: #108 Ron Shaw

I wonder how long it will be before that same statement can and will be made about America? Under Obama's rule, I suspect just around the next corner as he will definitely fold EU style under radical Islamic 'pressure.' He has already shown glimpses of this in less than 30 days at the wheel.

He's already going along partially with Durban II (Article)
and keeps sucking up to Iran even when they say "F*ck you" in return.
How long before he starts voting with the Arabs in the UN on anti-Israel resolutions? And then, will supporters of Israel in the US be in trouble? After that, of course, it will be all Jews, Neteuri Karta (?) included.

156 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:14:29am
157 Digital Display  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:14:33am

Well Lizards..I went home for lunch and what did I find? My LGF cookbooks arrived at my doorstep.
It is totally awesome so make sure you order yours today..

158 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:14:38am

Good Afternoon Lizards! It's gray and cold in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

My Unicorn is hungry.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

159 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:14:40am

re: #150 buzzsawmonkey

Ouch !
But lol.

160 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:14:47am

re: #142 Thanos

It might head that way awhile, but it will never stand for very long here. If you haven't noticed now that O's in office there's a change in meme underway in some of the left as well. People will hate me and cat call me here, but .... if the "anti-jihad" movement here or in Europe hopes to succeed, they need some of the left as well on their side - they are just making noise for votes if they aren't trying to gain allies for the cause from the left. In Europe there is zero chance of success without some from the left, that's why toting Nazi baggage is so damaging to the cause. Here, we can fend it off with moderates and right, there they can't. So if they are serious about anti jihad in Europe and not just looking for populist votes then they better look in the mirror, do some soul searching, and start seeking some allies from the left as well.


Absolutely true. The left has just as much to lose from Islamofascism as does anyone else. In fact, it ought not to be a left versus right thing but a democracy versus fascism thing.

161 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:15:02am

re: #142 Thanos

Well said!

162 myspamhere  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:15:07am

"AP correspondent Ian Deitch in Jerusalem contributed to this report."

Why no correspondent from Sweden? Why must a reporter in Israel report this to the world. Where is the Swedish press?

163 walter l. newton  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:15:20am

re: #143 Cognito

You seem eager to ask questions, and just as eager to ignore the answers.

Oops, I'm in agreement with Cog on this point. See, it happens all the time on LGF. Sort of mimics real life.

164 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:15:41am

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

That's "Muscle 'em."

Nice, let the bullys win.

/gah

165 meeshlr  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:15:47am

This is just ridiculous.

When will governments and other people in power stop capitulating to Islamist threats of violence?

I don't even know what to say. I keep trying to compose this comment and then deleting. The potential victims of violence are forced to hide while the violent thugs threatening them will still have their protest and get their publicity. This is so backward.

I just want to scream.

166 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:16:24am

re: #149 KenJen

Sweden sucks. I was there a few years ago to visit a friend. So boring. Their museum of modern art was a joke. The feature piece was a stuffed mountain goat with a car tire around its neck.

I guess they didn't get the concept of carbeque?

167 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:16:28am
168 Big Steve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:16:42am

re: #128 Last Mohican

Yes, and in Norway, Jewish kids are no longer allowed to attend public schools. Why? Because if they did, the Muslim kids would attack them and beat the crap out of them.

do you have a link to this?

169 Dave the.....  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:17:10am

I always find it interesting how the far left and far right have merged. Example?

Local college newspaper. In the past two weeks, have had columns about:

Vicious nasty anti-Catholic rants
Vicious nasty anti-Israel rants
Towing the line of the Fed'l gov't. We dare not oppose the Obama regime.

Hard to say if it is left wing college crap, or KKK circa-1925.

170 lifeofthemind  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:17:32am

There is something to the position that the biggest difference between the Swedish real Aryan national socialists and the German wannabe Aryan national socialists was that the latter lost a war and therefor underwent denazification. For two generations the Germans had to play nice. The Swedes got off easy and never had to confront their ideological demons. True they received the Jews that the Danes rescued and did not engage in overt repression but they were a thoroughly collaborationist regime. Their record does not compare well with their neighbors.

171 zombie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:17:46am
The committee said it could not guarantee security for the fans.

What the hell is that supposed to imply? "Security for the fans?" What -- are the Israeli tennis players going to climb into the stands and start hitting people with their racquets?

No, what they meant is that they could not prevents attacks from the fans on the tennis players -- but in our Orwellian world of modern Europe, the exact opposite is stated.

172 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:18:34am

re: #169 Dave the.....

I always find it interesting how the far left and far right have merged. Example?

Local college newspaper. In the past two weeks, have had columns about:

Vicious nasty anti-Catholic rants
Vicious nasty anti-Israel rants
Towing the line of the Fed'l gov't. We dare not oppose the Obama regime.

Hard to say if it is left wing college crap, or KKK circa-1925.


Maybe I ought to post this as a link above?

173 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:18:37am

re: #153 BigMoo

Makes one think that the 'rule of law' is now also a victim to political correctness.
Go figure.

It is indeed - certainly here in the UK.
Thats what happens when NeoStalinists get to power. Its happened ebfore, in the then Soviet Union, where Stalin (a criminal himself) regarded criminals as closer to the Party than the middle classes and political opponents.
Thus the KaPos in the GULAG were mostly criminals - as reported by Solzhenytsin.

174 notutopia  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:18:55am

Name the Elephant dammit!

175 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:19:00am

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Also at about 8:50 appears to be the boy's arrival at the hospital. Mads Golbert clearly says, "He's breathing".

176 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:19:02am

re: #151 Killgore Trout

I think that video solves another mystery. In the original Chanel 4 segment the scene on the couch at home was before they took him to the hospital. In the CNN segment is was after they took him to the hospital. This new version also places the scenes at home after the hospital.

Agreed. I think those scenes with the couches could have been shot in someone's home, or possibly in a hospital lounge or waiting area. Either way, it does now appear that they actually took place after Mahmoud's death, not before he went to the hospital.

There's another mystery that may be solved by the new documentary. CNN showed scenes of Mahmoud's burial, where women were present. One LGF member (I forget who, sorry) pointed out that women would not be allowed to attend a Muslim burial. But in the documentary, we can see that women are present as the family gathers at the cemetery (note the man taping the event with his cellphone camera -- isn't that a little weird?), but no women are visible while Mahmoud is actually being lowered into the grave.

177 Opinionated  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:19:15am

Maybe the stadium will be empty in fear of "heartless Israelis"


Three years after New York Theater Workshop drew protests for canceling “My Name Is Rachel Corrie,” a play sympathetic to Palestinians, it is considering mounting a production of a new piece by Caryl Churchill, “Seven Jewish Children: A Play for Gaza,” that at times contains images of heartless Israelis.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

178 CommonCents  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:19:39am

Sweden is getting weak because all the real men from Sweden play hockey and have moved to the U.S. and Canada. See Nicklas Lidstrom, Henrik Zetterberg, Johan Franzen, Andres Lilja, etc.

179 Big Steve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:20:08am

OT but has anyone seen the NY Post cartoon today of the two cops standing over the dead chimp (per the story of the run amok chimp yesterday) and one of the cops is saying, "they'll have to get someone else to write the next stimulus bill". Well the outrage meter among the leftest set has pegged out. Some, including Sharpton, saying it was rascist and others saying one shouldn't even joke about killing a President.......Wow so how many times was W portrayed as an ape and wasn't KOS openly advocating that Bush be shot?

180 cronus  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:20:34am

re: #110 Ringo the Gringo

I hope the match is televised so that people can see the empty stadium, and therefore confront the reality of the situation.

Exactly, the reality of their capitulation.

181 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:20:37am
182 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:20:46am

re: #167 ploome hineni

Well, first I'd not panic. The Muslim population is the United States is relatively tiny.

And second, if the Muslim population were to somehow explode on the level you're describing, whereby they change our laws through democratic measures, then, well: If we choose to be law-abiding, we'd have to obey the new laws, or leave.

It's an unlikely answer to what is, frankly, an unlikely hypothetical.

What's your solution?

183 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:21:09am
184 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:21:17am

re: #179 Big Steve

OT but has anyone seen the NY Post cartoon today of the two cops standing over the dead chimp (per the story of the run amok chimp yesterday) and one of the cops is saying, "they'll have to get someone else to write the next stimulus bill". Well the outrage meter among the leftest set has pegged out. Some, including Sharpton, saying it was rascist and others saying one shouldn't even joke about killing a President.......Wow so how many times was W portrayed as an ape and wasn't KOS openly advocating that Bush be shot?

Turnabout is not fair [/lefty rant].

185 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:21:22am

G'Day, it's a beautiful day in Colorado.
What truly amazes me is the 'subliminal way' that the fascist Islamo radicals (And I'm speaking only about the radicals) are gaining traction both in Europe and here, using Political Correctness as their shield and the legal system as their spear-with just a pinch of violence tossed in for good measure to keep infidels 'in-line'.

Stalin must be laughing in hell-if only he'd have veiled his movement as a religion, he'd have owned the planet....

186 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:21:54am

re: #179 Big Steve

OT but has anyone seen the NY Post cartoon today of the two cops standing over the dead chimp (per the story of the run amok chimp yesterday) and one of the cops is saying, "they'll have to get someone else to write the next stimulus bill". Well the outrage meter among the leftest set has pegged out. Some, including Sharpton, saying it was rascist and others saying one shouldn't even joke about killing a President.......Wow so how many times was W portrayed as an ape and wasn't KOS openly advocating that Bush be shot?

HuffPo in full meltdown over chimp cartoon.

187 Big Steve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:21:54am

re: #181 ploome hineni

funny

here's the link but you will have to purell your hands after going to Huff and Puff.....Your text to link...

188 june_july  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:21:55am

Europe is well on its way to being one big "no go" area for Jews.

Europe has a generation of significant jewish presence left. No jews born in Europe in the last 10 years and in the future have any reason to stay.

Canada, US, Australia, and similar places should welcome those in this group that do not want to go to Israel.

189 CommonCents  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:22:05am

re: #179 Big Steve

OT but has anyone seen the NY Post cartoon today of the two cops standing over the dead chimp (per the story of the run amok chimp yesterday) and one of the cops is saying, "they'll have to get someone else to write the next stimulus bill". Well the outrage meter among the leftest set has pegged out. Some, including Sharpton, saying it was rascist and others saying one shouldn't even joke about killing a President.......Wow so how many times was W portrayed as an ape and wasn't KOS openly advocating that Bush be shot?

For all those morons out there, Obama didn't write the bill. That was Pelosi and Reid and they aren't black. If there is any racism there, it's that Sharpton thinks there is a connection between Chimpanzees a black man.

190 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:22:06am

re: #160 Golem Akbar

Absolutely true. The left has just as much to lose from Islamo m as does anyone else. In fact, it ought not to be a left versus right thing but a democracy versus m thing.

The problem is the left won't fight for itself until it's too late--if at all. They cling to their secular humanist belief in the inevitability of progressive human consciousness and all that crap. In reality the world is getting more dangerous and resembling a viper pit.

And the peace love dope women will be the first ones to rue the day of Sharia.

191 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:22:57am
192 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:22:57am

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Also at about 8:50 appears to be the boy's arrival at the hospital. Mads Golbert clearly says, "He's breathing".

Yeah, that's when Gilbert is holding his camera with his right hand, and applying upward pressure to Mahmoud's chin with his left hand, presumably to help keep the airway open. You can see the sleeve of the white coat on his left arm, and a watch that looks like the one that Gilbert is later wearing. Also, his voice is louder than other people's voices, further establishing that he is the one doing the videotaping.

But I have this happening at about 2:05, not 8:50. I wonder why our times are different. Did you download the video?

193 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:23:16am

re: #173 yma o hyd

Sad, isn't it ? And the populace seems to be ready to submit-on both sides of the Atlantic.

194 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:23:55am

re: #188 june_july

Europe is well on its way to being one big "no go" area for Jews.

Europe has a generation of significant jewish presence left. No jews born in Europe in the last 10 years and in the future have any reason to stay.

Canada, US, Australia, and similar places should welcome those in this group that do not want to go to Israel.

Yes, Hitler may have indeed won. Judenrein Europe. Makes you want to cry.

195 jorline  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:24:45am

Obama: We're all paying for home mortgage crisis

I have my own mortgage to worry about.

196 Dave the.....  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:24:52am

buzzsaw....if spell check doesn't flag it, it must be correct! (I am spelling impaired....I think the ADA has a clause for people like me)

197 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:25:06am
198 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:25:31am

re: #186 Alouette

HuffPo in full meltdown over chimp cartoon.

It doesn't take much for the Paint Huffers to go to full meltdown mode.

The NY Post cartoon may be in poor taste, but how is it any different from what the Left spent 8 years doing?

199 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:26:05am

re: #194 Golem Akbar

What I can't understand (lack of enlightenment ?) is how the general population throughout Europe seems ready to simply acquiesce to the demands of radical Islam...

200 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:26:30am

re: #138 Golem Akbar

Then, I will respectfully ask you to explain why you think it's a dumbass comment.

I already did that. I think it's time to move on.

201 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:26:33am

I hope some of LGF's ordinance experts will have a chance to review the new NRK documentary. It seems to be advancing the theory that Mahmoud Masharawi was killed by a "Geel" missile, called "Spike" by Americans, launched form a "Heron" drone.

202 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:27:15am

re: #193 BigMoo

Sad, isn't it ? And the populace seems to be ready to submit-on both sides of the Atlantic.

Well, here the population has been waking up from its stupor, and the writing is on the wall for NuLab, Gord and all his ministers.
People here have been speaking out about all this on the comments sections in most of the MFM, even on the heavily moderated Beeb site.

So change is coming in the UK - and I'm sure by 2010 it will happen in your country as well.

It never pays to underestimate the wrath of the people!
(Mind, the Brits are indeed slow to anger ...)

203 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:27:19am

re: #199 BigMoo

What I can't understand (lack of enlightenment ?) is how the general population throughout Europe seems ready to simply acquiesce to the demands of radical Islam...

People have been lulled in to contentment by full bellies, warm homes and 24-hour Roman Ampitheatre type entertainment. Real life is unknown to them.

204 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:27:27am
205 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:27:59am

re: #183 buzzsawmonkey

Please; "toeing," not "towing."

"Toeing the line" refers to lining up, toes aligned, exactly as ordered. One is not pulling, dragging--i.e., towing--a rope.

/grammar police off

yep..it's a hard road to hold

206 notutopia  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:28:26am

re: #201 Last Mohican

I hope some of LGF's ordinance experts will have a chance to review the new NRK documentary. It seems to be advancing the theory that Mahmoud Masharawi was killed by a "Geel" missile, called "Spike" by Americans, launched form a "Heron" drone.


Those that aren't ordinance experts, want to know, what's the significance, or implication here?

207 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:29:02am
208 Øyvind Strømmen  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:29:08am

re: #128 Last Mohican

Yes, and in Norway, Jewish kids are no longer allowed to attend public schools. Why? Because if they did, the Muslim kids would attack them and beat the crap out of them.

Where the "#¤"#¤ do stories like this origin from? I'm Norwegian, and this is simply untrue.

In fact, Norway as a social democratic (in American: socialist) country is rather obsessed with having all kids in public schools, and the local authorities in Oslo and the government recently opposed a Muslim school, because - as the Socialist minister of Education said - "it is of importance that we have a pluralist school with Christian, Jewish and Muslim children".

I'm not saying that Jew-hatred is not a problem in Norway. It is, and has led to - for instance - kids at the Jewish kindergarten (run by the synagogue) in Oslo not being allowed to play outside (by the adults, not by the state) because of fear of terror attacks. Also, the Israeli embassy was recently sent a letter which made to postal workers ill when handling it (some chemical was used, it is believed).

209 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:29:11am

re: #204 ploome hineni

tell that to the 50 odd countries of the OIC that have been taken over by islam

the Brits are leaving/emigrating, the Swedes are leaving Malmo

the French have started leaving muslim enclaves

are you aware of that?

I'm well aware of it. Again: What's your solution?

210 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:29:12am

re: #198 Spiny Norman

It doesn't take much for the Paint Huffers to go to full meltdown mode.

The NY Post cartoon may be in poor taste, but how is it any different from what the Left spent 8 years doing?


Soon the left will run out of racecards to play in their limited deck. And you are right, the left got away with likening W to a chimp these last 8 years.

211 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:29:22am

re: #202 yma o hyd

I truly hope you are right-and I agree, don't underestimate the wrath of the people.

212 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:29:23am
213 horse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:29:51am

Who knew "separate but equal" would make such a strong comeback this century?

Oh, it's been modified to "separate and not equal because one side is a Zionist murderer of women and children". That explains it.

214 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:29:53am

re: #176 Last Mohican

at 22:00 they show scenes from the roof. They seem to still be claiming that is was a missile strike from a drone. The damage still looks like it's from a mortar (could be Israeli or hamas) or a Qassan rocket. What's the Spike thing they are talking about? Is that a weapon system?

215 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:30:18am

re: #203 ggt

...and Via large, plasma and LCD screens.

216 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:30:39am

re: #192 Last Mohican

I watching the version in the website.

217 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:30:57am

re: #186 Alouette

HuffPo in full meltdown over chimp cartoon.

Their first big rage-fest since the coronation. They must be hungry.

Frankly I'm enjoying it.

218 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:31:12am

re: #148 JohnAdams

But won't Sweden get an EU Hate Crime sanction for even suggesting that the RoP can't watch a tennis match without flying into a rage?

Increasingly with these people there are fewer options and all of them are bad.

imagine this going on in your block or your neighborhood.
a small percentage of the people are violent and oppressive.
loud and intimidating. menacing and becoming more dangerous.
and law enforcement lets them run wild.
decent people in the neighborhood have been told that it is not nice to "discriminate" against these savages because THEY are the real victims and we need to understand them and modify our behavior so they will like us and not want to chop our heads off.
once this starts it gets so schizophrenic that people can't think logically, they just retreat giving up more ground to the marauding barbarians.
we should look at this simple like they are outlaws in the wild west.
who would dream of giving horse thieves and gun slingers a pass because of an alleged religious affiliation.
these ropers are out to destroy civilization.
that's their bottom line. and we need to realize it.

219 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:31:19am

re: #201 Last Mohican

I hope some of LGF's ordinance experts will have a chance to review the new NRK documentary. It seems to be advancing the theory that Mahmoud Masharawi was killed by a "Geel" missile, called "Spike" by Americans, launched form a "Heron" drone.

Ah, thanks. I just got to that part.

220 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:31:42am

re: #215 BigMoo

...and Via large, plasma and LCD screens.

yep!

221 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:31:53am

re: #199 BigMoo

What I can't understand (lack of enlightenment ?) is how the general population throughout Europe seems ready to simply acquiesce to the demands of radical Islam...


It makes no sense at all, to me, either. I get that Europeans have this sense of fairness, but their history of fascism has got to make them a little wary of giving in to just another form of the same fascism.

222 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:32:34am

re: #199 BigMoo

What I can't understand (lack of enlightenment ?) is how the general population throughout Europe seems ready to simply acquiesce to the demands of radical Islam...

I think that the MFM have been playing a major role in this: suppressing information about honour killings, suppressing information about hamasholes, going along with the 'multi-culti'-meme of the libtards in power - and above all, no information about Islam at all, except that coming from so-called 'moderate' muslims.

And then you have the politicians who cry about peace and order on our streets - and chase people who put the wrong stuff into the recycling bins but let vandals run free ...

223 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:32:42am

re: #218 nyc redneck

imagine this going on in your block or your neighborhood.
a small percentage of the people are violent and oppressive.
loud and intimidating. menacing and becoming more dangerous.
and law enforcement lets them run wild.
decent people in the neighborhood have been told that it is not nice to "discriminate" against these savages because THEY are the real victims and we need to understand them and modify our behavior so they will like us and not want to chop our heads off.
once this starts it gets so schizophrenic that people can't think logically, they just retreat giving up more ground to the marauding barbarians.
we should look at this simple like they are outlaws in the wild west.
who would dream of giving horse thieves and gun slingers a pass because of an alleged religious affiliation.
these ropers are out to destroy civilization.
that's their bottom line. and we need to realize it.


It's not like they haven't stated the goal quite clearly.

224 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:32:50am

re: #168 Big Steve

do you have a link to this?

I've just been trying to find it. I think I saw it here on LGF, but somehow my searches are coming up empty. Maybe it wasn't a thread, but just a spinoff link.

225 Cognito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:33:18am

re: #208 oslogin

Thanks. I've spent several minutes here trying to find any confirmation of that story, with no success.

It seems to have its roots in a story about some Jewish children who weren't allowed to go outside and play for fear of terrorism. But even within that story -- which may or may not be true, I don't know -- the decision to stay inside was made by the kindergarten's manager, who was Jewish, not by some sort of official Norwegian decree.

Eh. The internet.

226 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:33:35am

re: #195 jorline

Obama: We're all paying for home mortgage crisis

I have my own mortgage to worry about.

So in 20 years do all our kids get a free house? They'll be the ones who paid for it.

227 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:33:48am

re: #221 Golem Akbar

It's that 'sense of fairness' that kept them from dealing with Hitler early on when he gobbled up the Sudetenland and what's the now Czech Republic...
And the result was not pretty...

228 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:34:30am

re: #222 yma o hyd

Very well put.

229 so.cal.swede  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:34:58am

Well. at least they hosted them at all. that's a huge step ahead for sweden, believe it or not.

230 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:35:18am

re: #7 x-wing

I'd like to volunteer myself to join the first shuttle mission to Mars. This planet has gone insane.

I volunteer to go as your co-pilot...

231 astronmr20  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:35:18am

re: #56 walter l. newton

I wasn't arguing anything, I was calling you a "tool." Typical media person, can't even get that right!

Um.... if this is really Walter, I notice your name is different. Not capitalized.

Is this a sockpuppet?

232 jorline  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:35:32am

re: #226 JohnAdams

So in 20 years do all our kids get a free house? They'll be the ones who paid for it.

Birth right, just like Russia.
//

233 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:35:43am

re: #208 oslogin

Glad that you're here to report on stuff like this.

Now I really will have to dig up the link. I don't think it was anything like a government policy. It was one principal or municipal school superintendent like that, confirming that he personally will not let Jewish kids into the school, because they'd be attacked. A representative of the local Jewish community said the policy really didn't matter anyway, because, being aware of the danger, no Jewish parent would ever want to send his or her kid to a public school.

234 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:36:38am

re: #226 JohnAdams

So in 20 years do all our kids get a free house? They'll be the ones who paid for it.

Sadly, that might be the outcome or the ultimate goal. Free Housing, Free Food, Free Education, Free Party Meetings, Free Purges . . .

235 notutopia  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:37:00am

re: #231 astronmr20

Um.... if this is really Walter, I notice your name is different. Not capitalized.

Is this a sockpuppet?

No. I think he's making a personal statement that
CAPITALISM is small today.

236 Pietr  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:37:01am

re: #189 CommonCents

For all those morons out there, Obama didn't write the bill. That was Pelosi and Reid and they aren't black. If there is any racism there, it's that Sharpton thinks there is a connection between Chimpanzees a black man.

Ah-but BO DIVINELY inspired them-and so any insult must be considered as against him! Besides, it's the only logical way they can play the race and "plotting against POTUS life" cards.....Cheers.

237 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:37:08am

“There's no such thing as a free lunch.”

Milton Friedman

238 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:37:16am

They should've said:

because of security concerns based on Muslim rioting and violence.

When was the last time you heard of Jews violently rioting over sports matches between Jews and others?

This is a Muslim problem, not a "security" problem.

239 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:37:36am

re: #231 astronmr20

Um.... if this is really Walter, I notice your name is different. Not capitalized.

Is this a sockpuppet?

good call!

240 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:38:45am

re: #234 ggt

Sadly, that might be the outcome or the ultimate goal. Free Housing, Free Food, Free Education, Free Party Meetings, Free Purges . . .

A life without consequences...ain't it great ? Of course, 'Nanny' may also decide that she should regulate the size of our homes, what we should eat, what we are taught (more so than now) and what we say.
Naw, that couldn't happen...

241 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:39:10am

re: #24 smokefire

...........hockey, OK soccer, Yes, but violence in a tennis match?
What do you expect, John McEnroe to throw a racquet?

WTF

shades of Munich.

242 astronmr20  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:39:47am

re: #235 notutopia

No. I think he's making a personal statement that
CAPITALISM is small today.

If it's really Walter, then I of course agree with him.. but sockpuppets can be an issue here.

Walter, if that's you, I'd stick to your regular name. Stinky gets itchy sometimes.

243 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:39:52am

re: #199 BigMoo

What I can't understand (lack of enlightenment ?) is how the general population throughout Europe seems ready to simply acquiesce to the demands of radical Islam...

no leadership

244 astronmr20  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:40:23am

re: #243 Eowyn2

no leadership

Yellow leadership.

245 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:40:55am

re: #237 Dustyvet

“There's no such thing as a free lunch.”

Milton Friedman


"Socialism is a wonderful thing...until the money runs out"
Margaret Thatcher
(or words to that effect)

246 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:41:15am

re: #238 godfrey

They should've said:

When was the last time you heard of Jews violently rioting over sports matches between Jews and others?

This is a Muslim problem, not a "security" problem.

Heh.
One can't say something is a 'Muslim Problem' - thats racist, discriminatory, offensive, insensitive, cuturally unaware ...

So, as usual, blame it on the victims. Tahhs after all the preferred Libtard strategy to deal with crime and criminals.

247 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:42:55am

re: #243 Eowyn2

Today's definition of "leader" seems to require they be castrated prior to entering office.

248 So?  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:43:08am

Why not just surround the stadium with blonde Swedish supermodels and all the muslim fanatics will start drooling and forget why they are there.

249 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:43:14am

re: #240 BigMoo

A life without consequences...ain't it great ? Of course, 'Nanny' may also decide that she should regulate the size of our homes, what we should eat, what we are taught (more so than now) and what we say.
Naw, that couldn't happen...


Of course not. .

/

250 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:43:54am

re: #227 BigMoo

It's that 'sense of fairness' that kept them from dealing with Hitler early on when he gobbled up the Sudetenland and what's the now Czech Republic...
And the result was not pretty...

Not to sound like defending any specific act or lack thereof, but before making cartoon analyses of history, it would be instructive to remember that it took the Japanese to convince the USA to fight Nazism.

251 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:44:17am

re: #246 yma o hyd

Heh.
One can't say something is a 'Muslim Problem' - thats racist, discriminatory, offensive, insensitive, cuturally unaware ...

So, as usual, blame it on the victims. Tahhs after all the preferred Libtard strategy to deal with crime and criminals.

Can we call it a Theocrat Problem? I think that covers all the bases in a non-discriminatory kind of way.

252 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:44:28am

“Compromise is never anything but an ignoble truce between the duty of a man and the terror of a coward.”

253 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:44:36am

There's little evidence of what actually hit the roof. These things just don't disappear, there's always stuff left over. At 22:35 there's a shot of what looks like a pipe fitting in the lower right next to the swinging chair. If that is a leftover of what hit the roof it looks homemade to me. Anyone know what that is?

254 notutopia  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:44:36am

re: #51 Pastorius

This is why it is probably not a good idea to denigrate the "anti-Jihad movement" by putting the name in scare quotes.

? It's not the anti-jihad movement in quotes that's getting denigrated. It's the association by hand holding with factions of Nazi hate, suggesting deporting and genocide supporters that is being dissed.

255 So?  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:45:15am

re: #21 lawhawk

Where does this end? Will they have to cancel basketball games or force those games to be played in empty arenas when Israeli teams go to Europe (and happen to dominate quite regularly in competitions)?

The security issue isn't solved by keeping the fans from the stands; the Islamists can still congregate around the arenas and cause mayhem.

Where does it all end.

I'll tell you; by taking a stand and not allowing this madness to continue. It means going ahead with these games and having a zero tolerance policy towards those who engage in these act of violence or threaten violence.

The result of going along with this is that these Islamists get exactly what they want, and will expand their demands and threats elsewhere until there's no where left to turn.

Exactly, just fill up the Swedish prisons with anyone who steps out of line. Period. This is the sickest article I've read in weeks.

256 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:46:01am

re: #250 Naso Tang

Absolutely right, but my statement was highlighting the failure of 1930's Europe to act decisively against a continental threat-not the US hesitance to engage across the Atlantic.

257 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:47:08am

re: #252 Dustyvet

Best quote of the day. IMO

258 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:47:10am

re: #240 BigMoo

A life without consequences...ain't it great ? Of course, 'Nanny' may also decide that she should regulate the size of our homes, what we should eat, what we are taught (more so than now) and what we say.
Naw, that couldn't happen...

The true crime occurs at the government level of "pre-distribution" when every bureaucrat, political hack, lobbyist, charlatan, and lowlife whiles away a few hours face-first in the public trough.

This is why--and excuse the emphasis here because I've been trying to explain to our lightheaded leftist friends--this is why socialism is a FUCKING CRIME.

259 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:47:19am
260 blangwort  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:47:32am

Hmm. They didn't cancel the game or restrict people from the stands when British soccer hooligans showed up. They increased security.

And I'm not sure if there are any tennis players from Middle Eastern countries (excluding Israel), but if there are, they ought to play to empty stadiums as well.

Public security is paramount. We can't have those mad Israelis shooting at those Hamas backed tennis players.
/sarc

261 Øyvind Strømmen  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:48:09am

re: #233 Last Mohican

I have not seen any mention of anything like this in Norwegian media, and I just did another few searches.

There have been some nasty cases in Norwegian schools, but nothing as organised as this truly disgusting example from St. Louis in the U.S.

262 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:48:17am
263 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:48:29am

re: #260 blangwort

Hmm. They didn't cancel the game or restrict people from the stands when British soccer hooligans showed up. They increased security.

And I'm not sure if there are any tennis players from Middle Eastern countries (excluding Israel), but if there are, they ought to play to empty stadiums as well.

Public security is paramount. We can't have those mad Israelis shooting at those Hamas backed tennis players.
/sarc

Hamas has a tennis team?...Go figure...

/s

264 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:49:13am

re: #258 JohnAdams

And it's a DEEP trough...And sadly, it spans both political parties.

265 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:49:22am
266 notutopia  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:49:54am

re: #252 Dustyvet

Thank you Dustyvet. You need to post this on every single posting today.
Anyone who decides to join in the flow of fascism because he feels he/she is getting back somehow out of resentment, is weak and not a real conservative.

267 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:50:03am

have a great afternoon all!

268 Ceemack  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:50:40am

re: #50 Kosh's Shadow

It is sad to think of where Sweden is going. All those Swedish women in burkhas instead of bikinis. Sad.


"Swedish Burkha Team" just doesn't have the same ring, does it?

269 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:51:15am

re: #266 notutopia

Thank you Dustyvet. You need to post this on every single posting today.
Anyone who decides to join in the flow of fascism because he feels he/she is getting back somehow out of resentment, is weak and not a real conservative.

Thank you.

270 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:51:20am

re: #268 Ceemack

Wouldn't sell much beer either...

271 Øyvind Strømmen  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:51:39am

re: #225 Cognito

But even within that story -- which may or may not be true, I don't know -- the decision to stay inside was made by the kindergarten's manager, who was Jewish, not by some sort of official Norwegian decree.

That story is true, and has been covered quite a bit in Norwegian media. The decision was made by the kindergarten manager, pointing to threaths made by the Hamas. The general feeling of Norwegian Jews seems to be that Jew-hatred is on the rise, however, so you'll have to see it on that backdrop.

272 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:51:49am

re: #128 Last Mohican

Yes, and in Norway, Jewish kids are no longer allowed to attend public schools. Why? Because if they did, the Muslim kids would attack them and beat the crap out of them.

Link?

273 so.cal.swede  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:52:07am

here's a translation from a major swedish newspaper about this. (emphasis mine)

The sale of tickets have been pushed up time and time again due to the security situation. The police estimates that there will be about 10,000 demonstrators at the match.

Four organizations have been granted a permit to hold protests. The social-democratic woman's association of Scania has demanded the match be stopped. The woman's association has even at a parliament-level asked to stop the match.

"Sweden should not play tennis with a country at war", says the parilament member Anne Ludvigsson (social democrat).

The chairman of the recreational department in Malmo, Bengt Forsberg (social democrat), says that there are no political motives behind his suggestion to play with no fans.

"But the police has informed us that the match is a high-risk project. The decision is only about the safety of the players."

The police has always declared that they will only maintain security outside, but inside the Baltic Hall, the organizers must be responsible.

"The suggestion to play with no audience does not come from the police" says Charley Nilsson, a spokesperson for the Scania Police.

Empty halls means a loss for the city of about 3.2m Crowns (~350,000US$). The Baltic Hall can seat 4,000 spectators. Instead of a net gain of 1.2m Crowns, the organizers expect a loss of 2m Crowns.

"I am saddened that Malmo City has made this decision" says the chairman of the Swedish Tennis Association, Henrik Kallen.

274 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:52:36am

re: #246 yma o hyd

Here's the real problem. Muslims have these crazed fanatical jihadis in their congregations. Their imams preach the same perspective. "Moderates" are almost always "intellectuels" in universities, where they only have influence on kufr academics and staffers/politicians. When was the last time you heard of moderate Muslims standing up to jihadis and jihadi imams in their mosques and winning? Hmm? Never, that's when.

Picture a fundamentalist Christian congregation. (There are plenty around me, if you want examples.) If some nutjob Evangelical yoots started calling for divinely-sanctioned violent crusade, egged on by their pastor, you can bet your ass that most of the men in that congregation would put some serious hurt on the "yoots" and run the pastor out on a rail. Nobody would stand for it. At the very least, you'd have adults screaming chapter and verse at the yoots to show how anti-Christian the violence would be.

Does the same thing happen in Muslim mosques? No, and there are two good reasons for this:

1. Jihadis are young, violent, and make good on their threats. Everyone is scared of them. Confront them, and they will beat you down.

2. The Koran and the Stories of Mohammad support violent jihad, and everyone knows it.

Moderate Muslims are in a corner. The Left says "we have to build bridges to them, to validate them, legitimize them, and give them stature," but all that will do is make them more obviously sitting in a corner by themselves. "Yep, there are the 'moderates.' Let's go kick their ass!" And it happens.

How do you deal with brute intimidation? Be bigger, stronger, and pound it into submission.

275 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:52:39am

re: #268 Ceemack

"Swedish Burkha Team" just doesn't have the same ring, does it?

Hide the balls in the burkha?

//////////SSSSSS////////

276 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:53:07am

re: #264 BigMoo

And it's a DEEP trough...And sadly, it spans both political parties.

True. The unscrupulous larceny leads to thoughts of revolution. I've never felt more unrepresented.

277 SFGoth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:53:38am

re: #250 Naso Tang

Not to sound like defending any specific act or lack thereof, but before making cartoon analyses of history, it would be instructive to remember that it took the Japanese to convince the USA to fight Nazism.

Hitler's declaring war on us probably contributed.

278 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:58:05am

re: #274 godfrey


How do you deal with brute intimidation? Be bigger, stronger, and pound it into submission.

Well said. But sadly, the world doesn't want us to do it, and there is nobody else.

279 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:59:21am

re: #277 SFGoth

Hitler's declaring war on us probably contributed.

Bravado. He did so after Pearl Harbor and saw Japan as an ally in the East, which it was. Hitler did not declare war on the US until it clearly became inevitable.

280 Ron Shaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:59:38am

re: #142 Thanos

It might head that way awhile, but it will never stand for very long here. If you haven't noticed now that O's in office there's a change in meme underway in some of the left as well. People will hate me and cat call me here, but .... if the "anti-jihad" movement here or in Europe hopes to succeed, they need some of the left as well on their side - they are just making noise for votes if they aren't trying to gain allies for the cause from the left. In Europe there is zero chance of success without some from the left, that's why toting Nazi baggage is so damaging to the cause. Here, we can fend it off with moderates and right, there they can't. So if they are serious about anti jihad in Europe and not just looking for populist votes then they better look in the mirror, do some soul searching, and start seeking some allies from the left as well.

Sound advice as well as insight and agree with your call for unity including 'left' and 'right.' I seriously doubt the cat calls or hate will follow here for your opinions.

In America at least as far as I am concerned, the 'left' like the 'right' politically are not all inclusive. I recall when the definitions of 'Class' in America were expanded from Lower, Middle and Upper to Lower, Upper Lower, Middle, Upper Middle, Lower Upper and Upper or there about. Current personal political alignments seem to be similar. Far Left, Left, Center Left, Center Right, Right and Far Right. In my opinion there are two 'Lefts' and two 'Rights" I'm most times aligned. But, a tad left or right of 'Center' in both seems the most natural.

Europe is a whole different thing.

281 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:59:38am

re: #108 Ron Shaw

I wonder how long it will be before that same statement can and will be made about America? Under Obama's rule, I suspect just around the next corner as he will definitely fold EU style under radical Islamic 'pressure.' He has already shown glimpses of this in less than 30 days at the wheel.

How much has Pres. Obama listened to his longtime friend Rashid Khalidi? Why would one assume Pres. Obama would be folding under Islamic 'pressure' rather than aiding it?

282 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:00:14am
283 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:00:29am

re: #273 so.cal.swede

Blydi heck!
There are times when I'm doubting that having women in politics was such a good idea ...
And I'm a woman ...

284 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:01:37am

re: #283 yma o hyd

Blydi heck!
There are times when I'm doubting that having women in politics was such a good idea ...
And I'm a woman ...

Allo Yma...:)

Ear scratch for Madame...

285 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:04:31am

re: #274 godfrey

Yep.
Use the full force of the law.
If christians can be accused of spreading ahte, for distributing anti-same-sex leaflets, then it should not be a problem to deal with those who preach hate and violence.
Build more prisons.
Use the law!
But the moonbats, and especially the women, simply are blind. Ist self-inflicted. They cannot give up their cosy world view of everybody living in peace and harmony - if only we westerners would eb bending over just a little bit more ...

286 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:05:55am

re: #284 Dustyvet

Allo Yma...:)

Ear scratch for Madame...

She says thank-you-kindly!

Hows that cat of yours?

287 mad mullah  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:08:53am

Sweden is such a cowardly country, it's no wonder that that place is crumbling. That country has a pathetic history of bending over backwards for Nazis and now they are doing the same thing today for the Islamopigfascists.

Certain areas inside Sweden are already like a mini-palestine, with rock throwing gangs of Islamic thug terrorists attacking police, ambulance and fire trucks. I can't say that I feel all that sorry for the Swedes, because it is their own stupidity, their naive political correctness and their spinelessness that has made their country what it is today. Future generations of Swedes are certainly doomed. I suppose that Sweden isn't really worth preserving, because cowardliness and extreme appeasement when confronted with evil are not traits that are worth saving.

288 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:09:28am

re: #286 yma o hyd

She says thank-you-kindly!

Hows that cat of yours?

He's doing much better this week, he's having a wee bit of problems accepting his special diet. He seems to have lost a bit of his spirit, but it's coming back slowly. He bit me last night play fighting the dreaded "monster under the covers"

289 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:23:05am

re: #288 Dustyvet

He's doing much better this week, he's having a wee bit of problems accepting his special diet. He seems to have lost a bit of his spirit, but it's coming back slowly. He bit me last night play fighting the dreaded "monster under the covers"

Thats good news!
And play fighting is even better - he's recuperating well.
Madame has nothing to say to him! She has cat issues :-)))

290 Øyvind Strømmen  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:00:34pm

I have now watched the previously mentioned NRK documentary. It shows scenes from the hospital as well as scenes from the funeral of Mahmoud Masharawi.

The documentary makers interview several weapons experts, who are in agreement that the materials gathered from the rooftop suggest that it was hit by a Spike guided missile. One of their sources is a Human Rights Watch employee who has previously worked - they say - with the Pentagon in Iraq. Not all the results are back from the labs (one in Gothenburg, Sweden is mentioned specifically, but several are involved), and NRK says they will follow up on the story. One Norwegian expert specifically mentions anti-tank weaponry and Spike missiles by name.

The documentary also mentions that the brother of Masharawi plans to sue the State of Israel for what he characterises as a war crime. Two leading Norwegian experts - one of them a Defense employee - say that it should be in the interests of all parties to have the incident investigated.

On the web site of NRK, a version with English subtitles is seemingly available, but I have not been able to play this with my Linux system. The interviews with Masharawis brother and the HRW employee are in English.

291 OrtegaGasset  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:08:55pm

This article is the sort of telling detail of dhimmitude which the mainstream media (deliberately?) miss. Thanks, Charles.

292 Pabloanno  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:31:02pm

re: #274 godfrey

Here's the real problem. Muslims have these crazed fanatical jihadis in their congregations. Their imams preach the same perspective. "Moderates" are almost always "intellectuels" in universities, where they only have influence on kufr academics and staffers/politicians. When was the last time you heard of moderate Muslims standing up to jihadis and jihadi imams in their mosques and winning? Hmm? Never, that's when.

Picture a fundamentalist Christian congregation. (There are plenty around me, if you want examples.) If some nutjob Evangelical yoots started calling for divinely-sanctioned violent crusade, egged on by their pastor, you can bet your ass that most of the men in that congregation would put some serious hurt on the "yoots" and run the pastor out on a rail. Nobody would stand for it. At the very least, you'd have adults screaming chapter and verse at the yoots to show how anti-Christian the violence would be.

Does the same thing happen in Muslim mosques? No, and there are two good reasons for this:

1. Jihadis are young, violent, and make good on their threats. Everyone is scared of them. Confront them, and they will beat you down.

2. The Koran and the Stories of Mohammad support violent jihad, and everyone knows it.

Moderate Muslims are in a corner. The Left says "we have to build bridges to them, to validate them, legitimize them, and give them stature," but all that will do is make them more obviously sitting in a corner by themselves. "Yep, there are the 'moderates.' Let's go kick their ass!" And it happens.

How do you deal with brute intimidation? Be bigger, stronger, and pound it into submission.


Islam and Christianity are not comparable. They are also not compatible. But you're right it's a Muslim problem.

293 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:39:51pm
294 OregonMuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:15:06pm

I read somewhere that Malmo has such a large concentration of hostile, unassimilated Moslem immigrants that whole sections of the city are "no go" areas for the fire and ambulance services. If they try, they get attacked with impunity by the abovementioned hostile, unassimilated Moslem immigrants

What a hellhole.

295 so.cal.swede  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:57:36pm

re: #287 mad mullah

Sweden is such a cowardly country, it's no wonder that that place is crumbling. That country has a pathetic history of bending over backwards for Nazis and now they are doing the same thing today for the Islamopigfascists.

Certain areas inside Sweden are already like a mini-palestine, with rock throwing gangs of Islamic thug terrorists attacking police, ambulance and fire trucks. I can't say that I feel all that sorry for the Swedes, because it is their own stupidity, their naive political correctness and their spinelessness that has made their country what it is today. Future generations of Swedes are certainly doomed. I suppose that Sweden isn't really worth preserving, because cowardliness and extreme appeasement when confronted with evil are not traits that are worth saving.


Unfortunately, you are wrong. The Swedish politicians and business elite was thinking with their pocketbooks during WWII - using Neutrality as a veil for "If we stand up, we will get crushed. Let's wait this out and see who wins". There were some honorable Swedes during that thime like Raoul Wallenberg ([Link: en.wikipedia.org...] for instance.

Same thing today, Swedish politicians ARE taking a stand, but for the wrong cause. They really do think that Political Correctness is the way to go.

296 OrtegaGasset  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:41:30pm
Islam and Christianity are not comparable.

Indeed. Islam has no concept comparable either to "turn the other cheek". Even "render unto Caesar ...." seems understood only by Turkey and Tunisia.

The Swedes have had severe problems in public housing, where one minority (Muslim) beats up another (Inuit).

297 dag nabbitt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:21:07pm

re: #129 ploome hineni

Uncontrolled Islamic immigration is the West's ticket to suicide. And there's little chance the Swedes will save themselves by restricting the influx in time. Sweden's political and media systems are among the least open to non-PC thinking regarding open borders and multiculturalism.

298 eaglewingz08  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:38:41pm

Sweeden shouldn't play with countries at war? I guess they should give up all sports because, given the riots all over Sweeden by its peaceful muslims, it's in a war, but is just too craven to admit it. Funny too that a country that can't protect people at a tennis match has no reason for any further existence. If you can't protect citizens and foreigners at a tennis match, how could you protect the integrity of your country (national defense)?

299 David Simon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:50:44pm

The Jew-haters can rationalize anything:

Dubai shares a racial, religious and cultural heritage with Palestinians, many of whom live, work and invest in Dubai. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap," Is a principle in all Abrahamic religions, therefore Israelis should not be surprised or unduly offended by Dubai's reasonable and just policy. This is further re enforced by Israel's notorious spying activities. Do Israelis think they are special? Above the laws of God and man? Actually they do and this has got to change.

It should be a goal of American foreign policy to alter this arrogance. We owe it to our Arab friends, allies and good, cash paying, job producing customers who are more valuable than mendicants who have treacherously sold off our technology at many opportunities and who, more importantly, murdered 34 American sailors aboard the USS Liberty. Dubai's well merited discrimination does not even belong on a Washington back burner. .

Yes, that insane rant was prompted by the tennis outrage.

[Link: forums.wsj.com...]

300 Tarheel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:15:11pm

Religion of Peace. I say PBUH (pox be upon him and the ass he rode in upon) is more like it.

301 tsionguy  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:27:20pm

re: #299 David Simon

Done! Rebuttal complete.

302 tsionguy  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:36:38pm

Imagine a tennis tournament in Dubai, where a Russian player was invited. Considering the 'hostilities' between Russia and the Chechin Muslims, does anyone think for a moment that Dubai would prevent the Russian player from participating?

303 Flavia  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:21:54pm

re: #86 Thanos

Don't count me as an "anti-jihadist" - I won't accept the label since it's been smeared by those I spoke of. Call me anti-radical Islamism, anti-terror, pro-liberty, or something, but not that.

I beg to disagree. I call myself what I am, & correct anyone who thinks that the wrong definition is the right one.

304 Ursus Maritimus  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 1:28:02am

The Committee of Sports in Malmö municipality voted on it. The Communists and the Greens wanted to ban the Israelis. When the Socialists suggested a no-spectators-allowed game they went for that instead. Socialists, Greens and Commies add up to a majority.

305 Øyvind Strømmen  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 4:15:23am

re: #297 dag nabbitt

Sweden has neither "uncontrolled Islamic immigration" nor "open borders". 12,2% of Swedes are foreign-born, roughly 15% of those were born in Finland, and Finns remain the largest foreign-born group, ahead of people from Serbia and Montenegro, Iraqis, Bosnians, Iranians, Norwegians, Poles, Danes and Germans. The latest years there has been quite a bit of Iraqi immigration, but also a considerable number of immigrants coming from the "new" EU-countries: Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, etc. This is a similar trend as in Norway, where the Poles are now the largest immigrant group.

Now, I'm not saying that there are not problems of ghettofication in Malmö and certain other cities in Sweden, or that for instance anti-Semitism is not a problem. However, people should stick to the facts. These kinds of ideas on "uncontrolled immigration" is exactly what lets the Eurofascists of for instance Vlaams Belang thrive and gain support.

306 FrumiousFalafel  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 10:42:57am

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