'Birth Certificate' Links Not Welcome

‘Birth Certificate’ Links Not Welcome

BlogosphereMarch 2009 • Views: 2,870

I’ve posted this several times, but apparently it’s still not getting across to some people. So here it is again.

Any posted spinoff links that try to promote the “Obama birth certificate” nonsense will be deleted. If you insist on continuing to post such links, I’ll block your account.

Enough is more than enough. This lunacy is embarrassing and sad, and I won’t allow LGF to be used to promote it.

UPDATE at 3/7/09 10:05:58 am:

Just for the record, once again, the State of Hawaii issued a formal statement vouching that they do indeed have Barack Obama’s real, honest-to-goodness birth certificate in their files.

HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. …

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.

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128 comments

J.D. Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:46:56am

I couldn't agree more.

BignJames Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:47:47am

IOW.....knock it off.

MandyManners Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:48:21am

Where's the walrus?

lostlakehiker Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:49:43am

No blinking birth certificates?

Absent a high-def video shot by CBS news and attested by 4 male Palestinian witnesses, we cannot know definitively that Obama was born in Hawaii.

/Berg

Nevergiveup Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:50:03am

Can I post my birth certificate? Now I know it's here somewhere? Hum? I thought I had it tucked into my Nigerian passport?
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Earick Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:50:35am

Hey, Charles! How did all this Birth certificate stuff get started anyway?

jcm Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:51:02am

Not very tolerant Charles we all know what happen to the Nirth Certifikit!

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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:51:21am

Thank you Charles for keeping this blog logical, factually based and non-conspiratorial. In a blogosphere where others seem to gravitate towards the latest wild theory or idea, you have done an excellent job vetting your stories and publishing accurate, bold, and correct information.

I salute you.

jaunte Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:52:07am

Hey nirthers. You don't even have to mention the certificate issue, just try to come up with a compelling argument about why a Biden administration would be significant improvement over the Obama administration. You still have Pelosi, Reid, and a Dem Congress.

What's your solution for that real problem?

Get your heads out of the fantasy and stop making conservatives look like asses.

pingjockey Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:52:51am

Ya buncha frakkin' asshats.....GET OUT and STAY OUT! Damn nirth herders.

ziggyelman Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:54:57am

It's definitely silly. Besides, everyone knows he's the son of Satan! ;)

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:55:45am

RAW: Disturbance during swedish anti-Israel protest

Liveleak Video

Good morning.

yma o hyd Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:55:48am

re: #10 pingjockey

Ya buncha frakkin' asshats.....GET OUT and STAY OUT! Damn nirth herders.

'nirth herders' - nice one!
I love it!

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:56:25am

re: #7 jcm

Nirth Certifikit haz never been eated and fire never melted steel!

MandyManners Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:56:39am

re: #6 Earick

Hey, Charles! How did all this Birth certificate stuff get started anyway?

It's a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Truck Monkey Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:56:47am

Charles. Why do you hate birth certificates?
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pingjockey Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:56:47am

re: #13 yma o hyd
Stole it from Star Wars. Dah princess called Han Solo a nerf herder!

snowcrash Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:56:54am

Maybe the words “nirth certifikit" are too confusing and they need it spelled out very simply and plainly and slowly. No birth certificate links.

pingjockey Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:57:16am

re: #15 MandyManners
Well done!

Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:57:34am

re: #3 MandyManners

Where's the walrus?

... he and she and you and me and we are all together... see how they run like pigs from a gun...

yma o hyd Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:57:52am

re: #17 pingjockey

Stole it from Star Wars. Dah princess called Han Solo a nerf herder!

Nirth herder is sooo much better, though!

pingjockey Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:58:20am

re: #21 yma o hyd
Why, thank you!

jones Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:58:31am

As Letterman said when W was sworn in for a second term "Things are looking bad for Al Gore."

Even if your crazt idea were correct, that ship has sailed.

MandyManners Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:58:38am

re: #19 pingjockey

Well done!

*bows deeply*

zombie Sat, Mar 7, 2009 8:59:55am

Sometime very recently Rush Limbaugh listed the news sources and blogs he reads every day, and included LGF among the bunch. It was linked to here in the comments section several times, but I can't find it. Anybody have the link?

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:00:07am

Thank you Charles!

pingjockey Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:00:31am

re: #21 yma o hyd
Hey just a thought...We here, or some of us here in the US have a great respect for Lady Thatcher. The better half gave me another point of view the other night. Said Mrs. Thatcher had damn near killed Wales economy by shutting down the coal mines. I was wondering your take on this.

MandyManners Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:00:54am

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

... he and she and you and me and we are all together... see how they run like pigs from a gun...

Youtube Video

jcm Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:00:54am

re: #10 pingjockey

Ya buncha frakkin' asshats.....GET OUT and STAY OUT! Damn nirth herders.

Come now, Ping... They have a point.

I don't have my original birth cert either..... what I have is a notorized copy issued at the time of my birth. I guess the Air Force really screwed up accepting that as proof of citizenship. I also have a printout that a lot like Obama's, a recent print out from State. It says certified on it. The State of WA accepted it as proof of citizen ship when I got my concealed carry permit. The State really screwed up too.

I guess all of will have to raid county registrars offices and regain possession of the originals.

What that? They've been converted to electronic records and the originals destroyed!

OMG none of us are citizens!

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:01:19am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Nirth Certifikit haz never been eated and fire never melted steel!

We'll never know if it tastes good with bagels and LOX?

pingjockey Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:01:37am

re: #29 jcm
We're all clones. Alice Cooper.

MandyManners Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:02:36am

Ooh. Iowahawk.

itellu3times Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:03:11am

Doesn't matter, since his seven clones don't have valid nirth certificates neither.
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MandyManners Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:05:49am

re: #28 MandyManners

Youtube Video

Serious drugs ingested there.

rightymouse Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:06:43am

re: #29 jcm

All I have is my registration of birth in Bangkok (in Thai) and a COPY of the Embassy registration of birth - have no clue what happened to the original one with the seal. Have had to use my passport for identity purposes.

SixDegrees Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:09:01am

As the judge in your earlier post on this topic pointed out: the pinheads bringing such suits and promoting such tripe are using the courts and other platforms to further their ends through the increased publicity.

The same is certainly true here and on other forums. In the piggy little eyes of the Nirthers, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Like all conspiracy theorists, it's all about attracting attention - even negative attention.

pingjockey Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:09:49am

re: #34 MandyManners
Gotta love those clothes!

Erik The Red Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:09:53am

Charles you have more patients with your "children" than I do mine.

jcm Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:10:29am

re: #35 rightymouse

All I have is my registration of birth in Bangkok (in Thai) and a COPY of the Embassy registration of birth - have no clue what happened to the original one with the seal. Have had to use my passport for identity purposes.

My sisters' notarized original copies are in Persian. They also have the US Embassy issued ones state parents are both American Citizens, issued by the very same Embassy that became so famous on Nov. 4, 1979.

kansas Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:10:37am

re: #38 Erik The Red

Charles you have more patients with your "children" than I do mine.

Charles is doctor?

David IV of Georgia Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:10:51am

IMO, unless you have found evidence worthy of presenting to a federal prosecutor or judge, don't bother to post it. If you have found such evidence, then give it to a federal judge and don't bother posting it. We are unable to do anything about your delusions and paranoid conspiracies without evidence.

kansas Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:11:09am

Charles is a doctor? Supposed to be funny. Wasn't.

kansas Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:12:04am

re: #41 David IV of Georgia

IMO, unless you have found evidence worthy of presenting to a federal prosecutor or judge, don't bother to post it. If you have found such evidence, then give it to a federal judge and don't bother posting it. We are unable to do anything about your delusions and paranoid conspiracies without evidence.

What about our paranoid conspiracy that Obama is wrecking the economy on purpose?

jcm Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:12:09am

re: #41 David IV of Georgia

IMO, unless you have found evidence worthy of presenting to a federal prosecutor or judge, don't bother to post it. If you have found such evidence, then give it to a federal judge and don't bother posting it. We are unable to do anything about your delusions and paranoid conspiracies without evidence.

I have proof!

Erik The Red Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:12:38am

re: #40 kansas

Charles is doctor?

PIMF LOL. Thanks

yma o hyd Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:13:21am

re: #27 pingjockey

Hey just a thought...We here, or some of us here in the US have a great respect for Lady Thatcher. The better half gave me another point of view the other night. Said Mrs. Thatcher had damn near killed Wales economy by shutting down the coal mines. I was wondering your take on this.

It is true that the closures of the Welsh coal mines was economically worse here in Wales, for the economy and the people, than anywhere else in the UK.
The former coal-mining valleys have never recovered from that, in economic terms.

It is, unfortunately, also true that the Miners' strike - which started in the North of England, made matters worse for all concerned. Arthur scargill, the leader of the Miners' Union, was an unreconstructed communist whose aim was not to protect the coal mining industry but to overthrow the government - any government, in fact, because he'd tried this before during the years of the Labour Government.

No government can allow itself to be dictated to by what amounts to unelected people who happen to be the bosses of some union or other.
Thus the hard reaction by Maggie.
If that strike had not been called, it would ahve been possible to work out plans for closure and compensation.
The sad fact was then and is now that the British coal mines were nearly worked out, getting coal out was becoming more and more expensive and unproductive - not because of the miners but because of the geological facts.

Yes - it was dreadful here in Wales, but blaming Maggie is a very easy way of not facing up to the realities.
Still - most Welsh have never forgiven her.

SteveC Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:13:32am

re: #43 kansas

What about our paranoid conspiracy that Obama is wrecking the economy on purpose?

That's our conspiracy, and we're sticking to it!

kansas Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:14:16am

re: #45 Erik The Red

Thanks for not pointing out my FU.

jcm Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:14:56am

re: #43 kansas

What about our paranoid conspiracy that Obama is wrecking the economy on purpose?

You mean it's just paranoia my 401(k) is at 50% of what it was a year ago?
Whew, that's a relief!

David IV of Georgia Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:16:11am

re: #43 kansas

What about our paranoid conspiracy that Obama is wrecking the economy on purpose?

I'm not sure he has the prerequisite understanding of economics to ruin the economy on purpose.

I think he is ruining the economy more like a teenager who finds themselves alone at the mall with daddy's credit card.

pingjockey Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:16:44am

re: #46 yma o hyd
The wife was 8 or 9 when they moved over here. So being that young and seeing the aftermath of the mine closures would have affected her that way. Thanks for the info and your time!

yma o hyd Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:17:50am

re: #51 pingjockey

The wife was 8 or 9 when they moved over here. So being that young and seeing the aftermath of the mine closures would have affected her that way. Thanks for the info and your time!

You're very welcome - it must have been terrible for her, being so young then.

pingjockey Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:19:29am

re: #43 kansas
Hmmm....The DJI is approaching 5k, peoples retirements have been wiped slick. The gov't is proposing spending money that may very well bankrupt this country, the prime movers of the housing crisis, Dodd and Fwank get away with it, it sure looks like a concerted attack on those who pay taxes and make this country work to me.

rightymouse Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:21:40am

re: #39 jcm

My sisters' notarized original copies are in Persian. They also have the US Embassy issued ones state parents are both American Citizens, issued by the very same Embassy that became so famous on Nov. 4, 1979.

Wow. She should hang on to those for her kids.

Did you read "On Wings of Eagles" by Ken Follett?

Carter was astonishingly lame during that awful time.

HDrepub Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:23:54am

re: #54 rightymouse

Wow. She should hang on to those for her kids.

Did you read "On Wings of Eagles" by Ken Follett?

Carter was astonishingly lame during that awful time.

Ignorance can be corrected, but stupidity is forever. Carter has had eighty some yrs to correct stupidity.

pingjockey Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:24:19am

re: #52 yma o hyd
Her dad was from here, her moms from BridgeEnd. Her moms side of the family got hit hard.

pingjockey Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:25:20am

re: #55 HDrepub
As Ron White said, "ya can't fix stupid".

Shr_Nfr Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:25:50am

All of that said, I would love to see the copy of his Kenyan birth certificate. If it shows Hawaii as the place of birth, it could put a stake in the heart of this vampire once and for all.

His college records are something else. Something does not smell right there. I am agnostic, but I would like to see them released to get this all behind us.

kansas Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:28:48am

re: #53 pingjockey

Hmmm....The DJI is approaching 5k, peoples retirements have been wiped slick. The gov't is proposing spending money that may very well bankrupt this country, the prime movers of the housing crisis, Dodd and Fwank get away with it, it sure looks like a concerted attack on those who pay taxes and make this country work to me.

Well, it certainly looks on purpose to me. Others think he is simply stupid. I am leaning toward a little of both, what with the teleprompters. I just got off my Eddy Jones site. I used to check it everyday. Now it's too painful. Just check once a week. Only lost 8 grand this week, and I'm only 25% in equities. I was out from June till I thought the ONE was going to bring us to the promised land.

kansas Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:29:25am

Hey, can we ask to see Obama's college transcripts and his medical records?

David IV of Georgia Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:30:04am

re: #46 yma o hyd

I've seen what mine closings have done to the economy in Eastern Pennsylvania. Penna still has 50 to 70% of its coal—it is just too expensive to bother mining it. I've lived most my life in Texas. Penna seemed quite bleak by comparison. Eastern Pennsylvania seems to have some success in luring business and people from the nearby East Coast cities by promoting itself as a rustic wilderness. Their "rustic wilderness" seems rather cramped, overpopulated and urban to me after living in Texas.

HDrepub Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:31:05am

I'm sure Obama has a legal birth certificate somewhere in Hawaii, showing Hawaii as his birthplace, but see how far you get signing up for Social Security with a document like that one published by the Kossack. It wouldn't pass the Dept. of Safety handgun permit application requirements where I live either. That's all I have to say about it.

jaunte Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:35:24am

Consider President Biden. How would it be an improvement?

ladycatnip Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:36:46am

#60 kansas

Hey, can we ask to see Obama's college transcripts and his medical records?

Nope. Classified.

HDrepub Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:37:53am

re: #63 jaunte

Consider President Biden. How would it be an improvement?

No thanks! Consider what's after him, Pelosi. It goes from bad to apocalyptic.

rightymouse Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:40:33am

re: #55 HDrepub

Ignorance can be corrected, but stupidity is forever. Carter has had eighty some yrs to correct stupidity.

True, that.

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:49:29am

re: #62 HDrepub

I'm sure Obama has a legal birth certificate somewhere in Hawaii, showing Hawaii as his birthplace...

The State of Hawaii issued a formal statement vouching that they do indeed have Barack Obama's real, honest-to-goodness birth certificate in their files.

HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.

MJBrutus Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:50:12am

Thank you Charles!

Barrack Hussein Obama is our lawfully elected president. That ship has sailed. I never bought in to the Nirther nonsense, but even for those who had, get over it. We do not want to associate with you Nirthers. We don't want to, because we value our credibility. We don't want to because want to make our voices heard and nobody with any sense will listen to those who tolerate unsubstantial, conspiratorial clap trap.

In just his first month in office, President Barrack Hussein Obama has caused more irreparable harm to this nation than any foreign enemy has ever inflicted on us. In just this last month, he has used the opportunity of a recessionary economy to hoodwink the masses of asses in Congress and in the nation at large to go along with him in destroying over half of this nation's wealth. His ambitions go well beyond the unprecedented misery he has already set in motion for us, however. He has his sights set on screwing up our entire energy and health sectors next.

I do not claim that this destruction is by intent. That is, I do accept that our President intends the consequences of his actions to be so calamitous. I believe that he and those who support him are well-intentioned morons. They are paving our road to hell with those misguided intentions.

There are so many valid reasons for rational people to oppose this wholesale destruction of our safety, prosperity, culture and future for ourselves and our children. We do not need to have the voices of our discontent diluted and dismissed by association with the lunatic rants from Nirthers.

HDrepub Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:50:55am

re: #67 Charles

Yes I knew this Charles, just saying the one pubished on The Daily Kos won't get you very far.

HDrepub Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:53:09am

re: #69 HDrepub

Yes I knew this Charles, just saying the one ~~pubished~~ published on The Daily Kos won't get you very far.

HDrepub Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:54:33am

re: #68 MJBrutus

They are paving our road to hell with those misguided intentions

. And as we all know the road to hell is always paved with good intentions.

Banner Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:56:09am

Personally I am waiting for the Democrats to get onboard with the whole thing once they realize that they elected a complete idiot to the presidency and start looking for an excuse to get rid of him. At this point even Biden would be a big improvement.

jcm Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:56:29am

re: #67 Charles

See they are in on it!

//nirther

rightymouse Sat, Mar 7, 2009 9:56:46am

re: #62 HDrepub

I'm sure Obama has a legal birth certificate somewhere in Hawaii, showing Hawaii as his birthplace, but see how far you get signing up for Social Security with a document like that one published by the Kossack. It wouldn't pass the Dept. of Safety handgun permit application requirements where I live either. That's all I have to say about it.

Ummmm...my being born overseas would unlikely be a problem in the event that I sign up for Social Security, so I really don't think Obama's Hawaiin birth certificate would be a problem. And as for guns, I don't know where you live, but in Ohio, it's a moot issue.

HDrepub Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:01:08am

We have to have a legal birth certificate or other proof of citizenship when applying for a handgun carry permit where I live. I'm sure your legal proof of citizenship is enough for the SS office.

MJBrutus Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:01:12am

re: #71 HDrepub

. And as we all know the road to hell is always paved with good intentions.

The road to hell is funded in his "stimulus" bill, under infrastructure.

rightymouse Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:03:23am

re: #75 HDrepub

We have to have a legal birth certificate or other proof of citizenship when applying for a handgun carry permit where I live. I'm sure your legal proof of citizenship is enough for the SS office.

I love U.S. passports. :)

HDrepub Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:05:19am

re: #74 rightymouse

Ummmm...my being born overseas would unlikely be a problem in the event that I sign up for Social Security, so I really don't think Obama's Hawaiin birth certificate would be a problem. And as for guns, I don't know where you live, but in Ohio, it's a moot issue.

I'm not a nirther lest you are getting the wrong idea about ol' HD. What I have always thought is a conspiracy of that size would take many people to cover up, and the notion he isn't an American citizen is preposterous just for that reason alone to me. Someone would eventually talk if the conspiracy were true, especially when it would involve so many people being involved.

HDrepub Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:11:42am

re: #76 MJBrutus

The road to hell is funded in his "stimulus" bill, under infrastructure.

Infrastructure construction jobs are not perennial jobs and are merely stop gap measures. When finished the workers have to find a new job.

FrumiousFalafel Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:22:09am

I think Charles has probably done more good for this country in the past few years than any single person I can think of. In addition, I'm a Jew and his pro-Israel stance practically brings tears to my eyes every time I see him showcase some more murder and mayhem caused by Israel's various enemies (not to mention antisemitism in Europe).

That being said, I do feel Charles -- and he is of course well within his right to do so -- is coming down a little hard on these so-called "nirthers." The term itself is derogatory and while many of them may deserve that label, there are those who don't. I think most of them probably agree that that there's no turning back the Obama presidency (I personally know 2 of them who will openly state that). So I don't think they're trying to cause an insurrection.

But that doesn't mean that the issue cannot be followed in perhaps a calm and reasoned manner. Or at least have a page of links to less contentious sites perhaps... I don't know -- I've never run a blog; certainly not a world famous blog. Nevertheless I just wanted to say that we can exclude them from LGF without being.... quite so disrespectful to them, can we not?

Perplexed Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:23:22am

re: #79 HDrepub

Infrastructure construction jobs are not perennial jobs and are merely stop gap measures. When finished the workers have to find a new job.

How many former IT workers would any construction company be willing to hire on and for how much an hour? Minimum wage? How many former IT workers would be willing to put up with chasing down the boss on payday to get paid before the boss spends the money drinking? How many former IT workers have any of the tools needed for construction?

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irish rose Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:38:58am

re: #82 ploome hineni

I totally agree with your statment here:

I think Charles has probably done more good for this country in the past few years than any single person I can think of. In addition, I'm a Jew and his pro-Israel stance practically brings tears to my eyes every time I see him showcase some more murder and mayhem caused by Israel's various enemies (not to mention antisemitism in Europe).

I have wanted to say that for a long time now, but could not quie articulate it as well as you have

Hear, hear.

FrumiousFalafel Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:40:30am

re: #82 ploome hineni

Thank you for your kind words. I think the "phenomena" of Charles' defense of Israel is all the more remarkable, laudatory, and credence-lending given the fact that I'm sure he is not Jewish. Thank you Charles!

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:47:47am

re: #84 FrumiousFalafel

Thank you for your kind words. I think the "phenomena" of Charles' defense of Israel is all the more remarkable, laudatory, and credence-lending given the fact that I'm sure he is not Jewish. Thank you Charles!

Thank you for the nice words. Appreciated.

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:06:31am

However.

There's really no excuse for continuing to spread the 'birth certificate' kookspiracy. It's been completely debunked, over and over and over. Promoting it at this point achieves absolutely nothing -- except to drag down the reputation of the center-right blogosphere. It's exactly like 9/11 Trooferism in my eyes, and worthy of exactly the same amount of respect or forebearance -- i.e., none. Rational conservatives need to start making it clear that the kooks do not speak for us, because the kooks are not going to stop.

DistantThunder Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:20:04am

It is unethical and unprofessional for Obama to not simply open his records and let the public see his records - but it is not criminal. Obama has every right to be unprofessional and unethical, and we have the right to think of him as such.

DistantThunder Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:22:13am

re: #87 DistantThunder

It is unethical and unprofessional for Obama to not simply open his records and let the public see his records - but it is not criminal. Obama has every right to be unprofessional and unethical, and we have the right to think of him as such.

Varying standards of behavior:
From highest to lowest:
Professional
Ethical
Legal

Obama focuses on meeting the lowest standard.

Dales Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:26:21am

The ability of people to get tied up on trivialities and get themselves dismissed as fruitloops never ceases to amaze me.

FrumiousFalafel Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:51:21am

re: #86 Charles

Look your point is well taken and essentially correct. The quibble I have is in your saying that the nirthers (of which I am not a member BTW) are "exactly" as kooky as the troofers. The key word being "exactly."

On the one hand a guy has a rock in his hand, says he has the rock says he'll show it to someone else who will verify that it's in his hand. But the nirthers all get upset because they never get to see the rock, up close, hold it, feel it, etc.

On the other hand with the troofers, two of the largest buildings in the world get slammed into by jumbo jets on live TV with passengers describing this most harrowing ride the entire way over cell phones to multiple people scattered all over the country. Thousands of piece of evidence are there in real time for all the word to see.

Trust me, I am all for being disrespectful to the troofers. They shame us and the nation as an entity.

I would merely offer that the nirthers, while kooky and incorrect, do not quite rise to the same level of "nuttiness" as the troffers. That you overstep a bit when you say the two are "exactly" the same in their level of kookiness. And if you buy that argument, then it follows that one should treat them (the nirthers) with a hair (just a smidgen) less disrespect.

That is my entire point. Not in what both camps say, but rather in how we treat them.

We don't waste bandwidth slapping UFO-believers around. They are clearly as nutty as the troofers but not quite as nutty as the nirfers. What do we do, we ignore them. That's all I'm proposing to do at the most. Not a ruling on the issues itself, but rather a way of comporting ourselves towards these people who are still most likely still getting over the shock of the Obama election. Give them some time. Some people get over shock quicker than others. You and I have accepted it and have moved on so to speak. They haven't. That's their problem.

Many of them will eventually come around. I speak from experience: my father --- a nirther -- is a Professor of Theoretical Physics at a major University (and about 90% of Physicists are Experimental BTW, only the smartest of the smart become Theoretical). Just an interesting aside, that's all. No, it doesn't prove anything :-)

Sharmuta Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:55:06am

re: #63 jaunte

Consider President Biden. How would it be an improvement?

The press would have more gaffes to spin?

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:56:04am

re: #90 FrumiousFalafel

I would merely offer that the nirthers, while kooky and incorrect, do not quite rise to the same level of "nuttiness" as the troffers. That you overstep a bit when you say the two are "exactly" the same in their level of kookiness.

I disagree; sure, we can split hairs about which conspiracy theory is more kooky if you like. But after the State of Hawaii officially vouches that the real birth certificate is in their records, continuing to cling to a conspiracy that would have to include half the government of the State of Hawaii is no less nutty than Trooferism.

FrumiousFalafel Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:05:23pm

Thank you for the prompt response. And since my last post constituted my "best shot", I will now join you with a smile and not bring the issue up again :-)

And to make sure you "get" the emotional tone of this email: I do sincerely appreciate the time and effort you've taken in this conversation. Thanks.

Mauser Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:09:33pm

re: #63 jaunte

Consider President Biden. How would it be an improvement?

Well, it couldn't be much worse. Hell, at this point I'd even bring back Carter....

The only thing that bugs me about this is that Obama could stop all this nonsense once and for all by telling Hawaii to show the document. But he won't. The question then becomes why.

The answer is either a) the Nirther's actually have a point or B) Obama finds it useful to have them acting like they do.

Of course, there are all kinds of other things he won't show, like his college transcripts and papers and such. But then, we're still waiting for Kerry's service record and Hillary's thesis paper....

But then, they're not Republicans, and nothing can stop the media's demand for dirt on Republicans, nor interest them in dirt on Democrats.

toaster_empire Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:15:53pm

For me the craziest part of this whole thing is how many times Charles has had to say this.

debutaunt Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:40:02pm

re: #80 FrumiousFalafel

I think Charles has probably done more good for this country in the past few years than any single person I can think of. In addition, I'm a Jew and his pro-Israel stance practically brings tears to my eyes every time I see him showcase some more murder and mayhem caused by Israel's various enemies (not to mention antisemitism in Europe).

That being said, I do feel Charles -- and he is of course well within his right to do so -- is coming down a little hard on these so-called "nirthers." The term itself is derogatory and while many of them may deserve that label, there are those who don't. I think most of them probably agree that that there's no turning back the Obama presidency (I personally know 2 of them who will openly state that). So I don't think they're trying to cause an insurrection.

But that doesn't mean that the issue cannot be followed in perhaps a calm and reasoned manner. Or at least have a page of links to less contentious sites perhaps... I don't know -- I've never run a blog; certainly not a world famous blog. Nevertheless I just wanted to say that we can exclude them from LGF without being.... quite so disrespectful to them, can we not?

We didn't create the term: 'nirth certificate.'

Macker Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:15:18pm

re: #95 toaster_empire

For me the craziest part of this whole thing is how many times Charles has had to say this.

I've lost count myself. What gets me is that there's so much more stuff out there that we can utilize to make БХО's life miserable.
• He is destroying the wealth of this great nation.
• He is unclenching our fist and speaking to those who refuse to unclench theirs.
• He and his still-incomplete Cabinet don't know what the hell they are doing.
I'm even losing count of this stuff too. And he's only been in office for 46 days....

William Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:06:41pm

I haven't paid much attention to this issue, but objectively speaking, are the following two statements 100% equivalent?

1) "original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures"

2) "original birth certificate"

jdog29 Sat, Mar 7, 2009 4:26:03pm

I just tell the nirthers, "I know, but what can you do?" then shrug and wait for them to walk off mumbling to themselves.

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Mutt American Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:06:23pm

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.

And fortunately, Rod Blagojevich told me that state officials are always truthful and ethical...

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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:24:24pm

re: #100 Mutt American

And fortunately, Rod Blagojevich told me that state officials are always truthful and ethical...

Do you really think the Hawaii Director of Health is going to put his whole life on the line for a fraudulent birth certificate? And how do you think he manages to keep someone else from leaking the biggest story of the century?

Please. Get a grip.

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gman Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:27:21pm

Oh Brother, it never ends.
They just have to have their conspiracy theories.

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gman Sat, Mar 7, 2009 6:34:41pm

And now I present to you my Top 5 Favorite Conspiracy Theory Analogies

#5 Conspiracy theories are like black holes--they suck in everything that comes their way, regardless of content or origin...Everything you've ever known or experienced, no matter how 'meaningless', once it contacts the conspiratorial universe, is enveloped by and cloaked in sinister significance. Once inside, the vortex gains in size and strength, sucking in everything you touch.

#4 Conspiracy theories are like the legendary Hydra—cut off one of its heads and a score of others will replace it.

#3 Conspiracy theories are like weeds in city sidewalks. Pull them, spray them – hit them with all you’ve got. They’ll be back, mocking your efforts with their persistence.

#2 Conspiracy theories are like mushrooms; they grow where there is no light.

and the winner is....

#1 Conspiracy theories are like shelters for people abused by reality

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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 7, 2009 7:41:09pm

re: #104 Wrycoder

I says the same stuff as the certified copy.

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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 7, 2009 7:46:33pm

re: #104 Wrycoder

What stonewall? The state has certified it has a birth certificate on file for Barack Hussein Obama. He chose not to make it public, as is his right. He probably keeps it private because it hurts conservatives when the nuttier elements of the movement chase their tails over a bogus story like this one.

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bittermelon Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:15:35pm

nirthers?

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BartB Sat, Mar 7, 2009 10:31:15pm

It doesn't matter whether Obama was born in Hawaii or Kenya, since his mother is a U.S. Citizen.

Now - let's see her certificate. :)

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azcon Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:24:56pm

It seems insane to me that there is not official qualification process that takes place before election day. If there were there would be no doubts, no controversy, no need for Charles to extend multiple warnings etc.

I can't believe that this could even be an issue at this point! That fact that it is, to me, means that there is something lacking in the election process.

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Mutt American Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:34:10pm

re: #104 Wrycoder

Of course there is a birth certificate on file in Hawaii. No one disputes that seriously.

The question (still) is, what does it say?

The more recent and reasonable question is, why the stonewall?

Why, indeed...

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Sharmuta Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:39:51pm

re: #110 Mutt American

What stonewall? He released a certified copy!

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Salamantis Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:50:35pm

re: #104 Wrycoder

The more recent and reasonable question is, why the stonewall?

To get the nirthers making public idiots of themselves, so they'll tar the whole Republican party with their crazed wingnut image. It's the Dem version of a Rovian move.

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BrerFoxx Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:52:50pm

re: #62 HDrepub

I'm sure Obama has a legal birth certificate somewhere in Hawaii, showing Hawaii as his birthplace, but see how far you get signing up for Social Security with a document like that one published by the Kossack. It wouldn't pass the Dept. of Safety handgun permit application requirements where I live either. That's all I have to say about it.

In Florida you can get two different forms of your birth certificate. One is a 'certification of birth' and the other is a 'certified copy of a certificate of live birth'. The certification of birth is just typed out data regarding the birth (name, date, parents, certificate of live birth number, etc). The certified copy of the certificate of live birth is exactly that.

There is a lot more personal information on the certified copy than there is on the certificate of birth.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 8, 2009 12:04:04am

Now, apparently some of these folks believe that Obama is the son of Malcolm X. If so, he's DEFINITELY a U.S. citizen.

;) //////////////////////////////////////////////////

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brandon13 Sun, Mar 8, 2009 1:06:47am

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, apparently some of these folks believe that Obama is the son of Malcolm X. If so, he's DEFINITELY a U.S. citizen.

;) //////////////////////////////////////////////////

Some people are just really fucking stupid.

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AreaMan Sun, Mar 8, 2009 4:37:44am

I love this issue. It keeps on giving.

Hawaii probably passed this unique law to help people get fraudulent citizenship. In the early days of the Territory and State of Hawaii, things were more rebellious and looser. Families extended across the Pacific islands. The old Queen had more supporters.

Hawaii makes it easier for hostile countries to land spies in the US. They can launch off a submarine and take a surfboard onto the Hawaiian shore. They can meet supporters or just get a job and work their way to the mainland.

I can think of a dozen more movie plots based on this issue alone. Where is Oliver Stone when we need him?

The Constitution is perfectly ambiguous on what exactly is a "Natural Born Citizen" and there is no mechanism created by Congress to enforce this. These gaps have opened up this can of worms.

John McCain also has a problem with his birth. John was born in the Canal Zone at a time when there was no Federal Law making him a Natural Born. Congress passed that law 2 years after his birth.

Bonus Issue: Clinton was impeached, there was an impeachment movement against Bush 43. So when the impeachers get around to Obama, the birth thing will come up again. This thing will never go away and will eventually be as famous as Whitewater or Halliburton.

Congress should resolve the ambiguities; That's their job. And it is reasonable that all Federal candidates be required to document the details of their citizenship.

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Sharmuta Sun, Mar 8, 2009 4:40:07am

re: #116 AreaMan

The certified copy states the original document was recored four days after 0bama's birth.

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leww37334 Sun, Mar 8, 2009 7:43:20am

wow censorship at LGF, I guess I'm disappointed, but not really surprised.

With the "localization" attack on talk radio, I guess everybody is a little worried about having their ability to express their opinion taken away.

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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 8, 2009 9:54:30am

re: #118 leww37334

wow censorship at LGF, I guess I'm disappointed, but not really surprised.

With the "localization" attack on talk radio, I guess everybody is a little worried about having their ability to express their opinion taken away.

Man, is this ever tedious.

This is not "censorship." I'm not stopping you from "expressing your opinion." If you want to sound like a street corner lunatic and rant about the nirth certifikit, Atlas Shrugs will let you do it to your heart's content. And there are plenty of other blogs too that don't mind throwing their credibility into a toilet.

Or you could start your own blog, using YOUR real name, and post whatever you want at it. Then you could get all the glory for "expressing your opinions," and take all the responsibility.

But at MY blog, I determine what I will allow and what I won't. And I won't allow this crappy, half-baked conspiracy theory to be promoted here because I value my credibility.

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irish rose Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:19:07am

re: #119 Charles

Man, is this ever tedious.

Stop trying to explain yourself to these people, Charles.... you've already done more than enough of it and you shouldn't have to do any more.

This is your website. These folks fully understand your request, they know why you're making it, and their inclination to constantly challenge your wishes and your authority here demonstrates that they are being both willfully ignorant, and deliberately combative.

They're not going to change their minds, and they're not going to stop until you make them stop because they don't like being told what to do.

You're the site owner, and ONE warning from you should have been sufficient.

Boot their offending arses to the curb.

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Irish Rose Sun, Mar 8, 2009 10:25:38am

re: #118 leww37334

wow censorship at LGF, I guess I'm disappointed, but not really surprised.

With the "localization" attack on talk radio, I guess everybody is a little worried about having their ability to express their opinion taken away.

Listen dickface, take your passive aggressive shit elsewhere. You're a guest here, and Charles pays the bills. You're obligated to comply with the wishes of the site owner when he tells you that he's protecting his credibility as a blogger and doesn't want certain subjects discussed here.

If you don't like that, then get the hell out.

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maxshiraz Sun, Mar 8, 2009 2:45:50pm

So the have the birth certificate on file, great. But what does the birth certificate say. I have a birth certificate "on file" too but wasn't born in the US.

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gman Sun, Mar 8, 2009 3:15:03pm

re: #122 maxshiraz

So the have the birth certificate on file, great. But what does the birth certificate say. I have a birth certificate "on file" too but wasn't born in the US.

Shar just posted that at #117.
Wtf is your problem?

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emkkahn Sun, Mar 8, 2009 7:00:50pm

President Obama (yeah, this inexperienced kid is my president) is making serious damaging to the US policy right now. Don't worry about his birth certificate- work instead to vote in conservatives in 2010 to neutralize his plans...

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Mutt American Tue, Mar 10, 2009 7:38:26am

re: #111 Sharmuta

What stonewall? He released a certified copy!

But never the original, actual birth certificate, or a copy of it.

Why?

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Salamantis Tue, Mar 10, 2009 4:03:37pm

re: #126 Mutt American

But never the original, actual birth certificate, or a copy of it.

Why?

Can't you read? A certified copy is, a forteriori, a copy. And the original is retained by the state. For everyone, not just for Obama. But Hawaii went so far as to have their head honco in charge of such matters personally view it, and officially attest to its authenticity.

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Salamantis Tue, Mar 10, 2009 4:14:56pm

re: #125 Mutt American

So you trot out a senile grandmother and a self-aggrandizing public official hoping to garner tourist dollars for the Obama version of Dollywood, and both speaking in unfamiliar languages? A 'son of the village' doersn't men someone was born in it; I am part Irish, and thus a 'son of Ireland', but have never been there. The attempt to exegetize the simple speech of a rural grandmother with linguistic etymology is laughable on its face.

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