50 Scientific Societies Sign Letter to Texas Board of Education

Science • Views: 3,007

As the Texas State Board of Education prepares to vote on the curriculum promoted by the infamous Discovery Institute and a board stacked with young earth creationists, more than 50 scientific societies have signed a letter calling on the BOE to Teach Evolution Right!

A Message to the Texas State Board of Education

The undersigned scientific and educational societies call on the Texas State Board of Education to support accurate science education for all students by adopting the science standards (Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills or TEKS) as recommended to you by the scientists and educators on your writing committees.

Evolution is the foundation of modern biology, and is also crucial in fields as diverse as agriculture, computer science, engineering, geology, and medicine. We oppose any efforts to undermine the teaching of biological evolution and related topics in the earth and space sciences, whether by misrepresenting those subjects, or by inaccurately and misleadingly describing them as controversial and in need of special scrutiny.

At its January 2009 meeting, the Texas Board of Education rightly rejected attempts to add language to the TEKS about “strengths and weaknesses” – used in past efforts to undermine the teaching of evolution in Texas. We urge the Board to stand firm in rejecting any such attempts to compromise the teaching of evolution.

At its January 2009 meeting, the Board also adopted a series of amendments to the TEKS that misrepresent biological evolution and related topics in the earth and space sciences. We urge the Board to heed the advice of the scientific community and the experienced scientists and educators who drafted the TEKS: reject these and any other amendments which single out evolution for scrutiny beyond that applied to other scientific theories.

By adopting the TEKS crafted by your expert writing committees, the Board will serve the best educational interests of students in Texas’s public schools.

At the Houston Chronicle, Steve Schafersman is live-blogging the proceedings, as the creationist faction rams through amendments without consulting the scientific advisers:

Terri Leo is amending Biology, and McLeroy intends to do so, too. Uh, oh.

Leo’s Biology amendment: “(D) analyze and evaluate the evidence regarding formation of simple organic molecules and their organization into long complex molecules having information such as the DNA molecule for self-replicating life.”

Bob Craig asked Leo if this amendment has been discussed with any of the six science experts. Her answer was no. The amendment carried 9-5. Agosto and one other member voted with the seven radical religious right members. Once again, a change was made to the Biology standards by a religious right member with no scientific justification from a science expert to support it. On the face of it, the addition does not seem to be bad, certainly not as damaging to science as the two bad amendments made in January, but I am still very unhappy with the process. This is very unprofessional, having non-scientists adding specific standards to the Science TEKS.

Jump to bottom

532 comments
1 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:07:41pm

I’m getting in early on this one. Meltdown at comment #237.

2 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:09:08pm

re: #1 doppelganglander

I’m getting in early on this one. Meltdown at comment #237.

Way before that

3 davinvalkri  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:09:46pm

…not again…

4 pink freud  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:09:57pm

Jindal is partly responsible for this. He opened the tent flap to that camel’s nose. He will never get my vote.

5 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:10:45pm

Who’s got the popcorn?

6 Kragar  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:11:36pm

When you listen to fools….

7 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:11:48pm

“Capital-R” (i.e.; self-serving, self-righteous) Religion

8 Yashmak  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:12:13pm

I hope these folks recall that they work on a Board of Education, not a board of Indoctrination.

9 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:12:27pm

Five bucks on #390

10 pink freud  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:12:35pm

re: #8 Yashmak

I hope these folks recall that they work on a Board of Education, not a board of Indoctrination.

And the difference is…?

11 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:14:48pm

The amendment carried 9-5. Agosto and one other member voted with the seven radical religious right members.

SEVEN? Good grief. This isn’t a Board of Education. It’s a Bored With Education.

12 Ben Hur  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:15:40pm
13 itellu3times  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:16:23pm
Leo’s Biology amendment: “(D) analyze and evaluate the evidence regarding formation of simple organic molecules and their organization into long complex molecules having information such as the DNA molecule for self-replicating life.”

Nothing wrong with that! It’s awefully complex for grade school, however. There is a large body of (pro-evolution) literature on the matter.

The “irreducible complexity” argument is just bad science.

If you want to marvel at the fact that carbon atoms can support such tricks, well, I’ll grant that one to God - the only alternative is some sort of anthropic argument that only gives everyone headaches. But if so, then you’re also free to believe that God designed the human and the oak tree 18 billion years ago, set off the big bang, and went off to play ultra-golf until everything unrolled as planned, doesn’t contradict evolution in the least. Or, don’t you believe in a God that capable?

I can’t see much steam being generated in a debate between an 18 billion year predestination by God, and a policy of total randomness. Can you imagine that being discussed in grade school, or even high school? Ugh. But those are really the only two choices on the table.

(OK, actually not, there are pro-science proposals for emergent behaviors and rules of self-organization, but they mostly give me headaches)

14 filetandrelease  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:16:25pm

Revenge of the Nerds!

15 Kragar  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:17:11pm

re: #11 subsailor68

The amendment carried 9-5. Agosto and one other member voted with the seven radical religious right members.

SEVEN? Good grief. This isn’t a Board of Education. It’s a Bored With Education.

What kind of education has you learn everything from one book? Besides a madrassah I mean.

16 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:17:44pm
17 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:20:00pm

re: #16 MandyManners

CNN is using the news of the closing of some airport in Alaska as an excuse to mock Jindal and to run the clip of his whining about monitoring volcanoes.

But they’re not using the same clip to mock Al Gore and the eco-leftists about the COx and other emissions put out by the Earth as part of a natural process. Go figure. (and figures).

18 Yashmak  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:20:02pm

re: #10 pink freud

And the difference is…?

That’s the point. There won’t BE a difference if they start forcing religion into the science classroom.

19 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:20:05pm

re: #1 doppelganglander

I’m getting in early on this one. Meltdown at comment #237.

I’ll see your 237 and raise you 100..337.
=)

20 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:20:13pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What kind of education has you learn everything from one book? Besides a madrassah I mean.

Good point. Mainly, though, fundamentalists can’t stand anything that might possibly conflict with a literal reading of the Bible. I’ve noticed that the literalists are very literal about everything else, too. They don’t catch sarcasm or subtlety, and they basically have no sense of humor because their minds can’t process anything with two meanings.

21 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:20:55pm

I hope my kid gets the Fred Phelps Science class on ‘damning’ everyone to hell.

Actually, no…no I do not.

22 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:21:05pm

Relative wackiness of belief systems aside…

In a country that anyone can start their own religious based private school why do the creationist folks keep insisting on making the public schools the vehicle of teaching their doctrines?!

What is it about public schools that they do not get?

Don’t they realize if they get their way they end up creating the very mechanism that can turn on them and destroy their freedom of association, freedom of speech and freedom of religion?

23 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:21:36pm

re: #19 Wishing

I’ll see your 237 and raise you 100..337.
=)

You’re on. We’ve also got pre-Boomer Marine Brat at #390. Anyone else want a piece of the action?

24 shug  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:21:41pm
Once again, a change was made to the Biology standards by a religious right member with no scientific justification from a science expert to support it

OMG, they are really entering the dark freaking ages.
They are no better than the 7th Islamists who won’t use alcohol based sanitizers at hospitals.

I spit on all of them

25 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:22:03pm

re: #22 DaddyG

Relative wackiness of belief systems aside…

In a country that anyone can start their own religious based private school why do the creationist folks keep insisting on making the public schools the vehicle of teaching their doctrines?!

What is it about public schools that they do not get?

Don’t they realize if they get their way they end up creating the very mechanism that can turn on them and destroy their freedom of association, freedom of speech and freedom of religion?

No, they do not understand this at all, thus the problem we are facing now in Texas.

26 Kragar  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:22:41pm

re: #20 doppelganglander

Good point. Mainly, though, fundamentalists can’t stand anything that might possibly conflict with a literal reading of the Bible. I’ve noticed that the literalists are very literal about everything else, too. They don’t catch sarcasm or subtlety, and they basically have no sense of humor because their minds can’t process anything with two meanings.

The idea of scrapping 2000+ years worth of accumulated research and documented evidence from around the world because it disagrees with one particular religions world view is insane and I wont stand for it.

27 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:22:46pm

re: #23 doppelganglander

You’re on. We’ve also got pre-Boomer Marine Brat at #390. Anyone else want a piece of the action?

10,000 Quatloos on #192

28 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:22:47pm

re: #22 DaddyG

Relative wackiness of belief systems aside…

In a country that anyone can start their own religious based private school why do the creationist folks keep insisting on making the public schools the vehicle of teaching their doctrines?!

What is it about public schools that they do not get?

Don’t they realize if they get their way they end up creating the very mechanism that can turn on them and destroy their freedom of association, freedom of speech and freedom of religion?

I would guess that it has something to do with Gov’t funding…somehow. Just follow the $$$. Why just tap the private sector when you can get in on the GOOD stuff…

29 Racer X  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:23:25pm

re: #9 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Five bucks on #390

This thread will never get to #390.

God will smak down the disbelievers and inflict a terrible muscle spasm in the hamsters’ nether regions.

Smited!

30 godfrey  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:23:29pm

Earth to creationists: knock it off.

31 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:23:42pm

re: #27 CyanSnowHawk

10,000 Quatloos on #192

2,000 Republican credits on 253.

32 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:23:48pm

re: #22 DaddyG

Don’t they realize if they get their way they end up creating the very mechanism that can turn on them and destroy their freedom of association, freedom of speech and freedom of religion?

Nope. Nor do they understand that prayer in schools opens the door to Muslims, Wiccans or anyone else leading prayer.

33 shug  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:24:00pm

As if the dumbing down of America’s children wasn’t bad enough, we have 9 fools in Texas who want to teach our Children about man walking arm in claw with dinosaur…..and do it in Science class!


Outrageous.

Parents need to read each and every page of each and every textbook their children are using.

34 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:24:07pm

re: #23 doppelganglander

You’re on. We’ve also got pre-Boomer Marine Brat at #390. Anyone else want a piece of the action?

You guys are heading in the wrong direction

Stinky will have to show up at no more than the 150th comment. I say 139!

35 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:24:29pm

re: #25 Wishing

No, they do not understand this at all, thus the problem we are facing now in Texas.

sigh… what happened to the great American tradition of indoctrinating children with bats—t craziness at home and church? That’s what we do.

36 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:24:39pm

re: #27 CyanSnowHawk

10,000 Quatloos on #192

We don’t need no stinkin’ SquatLoose!

37 shug  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:24:55pm

Shame on you Rick Perry

38 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:25:01pm

I want my son to draw knights fighting T-rex’s in art class…

/only if he comes up with the idea on his own….

39 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:25:02pm

re: #31 SasquatchOnSteroids

2,000 Republican credits on 253.

And CyanSnowHawk at 10,000 Quatloos on #192. I need to jot this down somewhere. It might work best if we all agree on a single currency.

40 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:25:24pm

re: #20 doppelganglander

Good point. Mainly, though, fundamentalists can’t stand anything that might possibly conflict with a literal reading of the Bible. I’ve noticed that the literalists are very literal about everything else, too. They don’t catch sarcasm or subtlety, and they basically have no sense of humor because their minds can’t process anything with two meanings.

That is not quite true, my friend. There is much *literal* teaching in the Bible that they choose to skip over. Why they have latched on to this particular issue to politicize is beyond me, especially when it is beyond the grasp of most Christians, again, by choice.

41 Clemente  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:25:28pm

My next three Zionist checks on #223!

42 BlueCanuck  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:25:37pm

All I have to say is, What? No beauty paegant contestants signed on to the science side?

/I have $5 CAD on #149 for the meltdown.

43 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:26:09pm

re: #39 doppelganglander

And CyanSnowHawk at 10,000 Quatloos on #192. I need to jot this down somewhere. It might work best if we all agree on a single currency.

NO GLOBAL CURRENCY!

44 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:26:25pm

re: #29 Racer X

Smited!

My funny bone thou hast smited!

45 Baboon Cheeks  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:26:32pm
We oppose any efforts to undermine the teaching of biological evolution and related topics in the earth and space sciences,

Good to see them emphasizing that it isn’t just education in biology that is threatened by this nonsense.

46 Clemente  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:26:50pm

re: #39 doppelganglander

It might work best if we all agree on a single currency.

Oh, no you don’t!

47 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:26:51pm

re: #35 DaddyG

sigh… what happened to the great American tradition of indoctrinating children with bats—t craziness at home and church? That’s what we do.

Home and Church? We let our son find out the same place he gets his sex education, on the street corner hangin’ wit his homies!@

48 jcm  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:27:09pm

re: #30 godfrey

Earth to creationists: knock it off.

God to creationists: I created it all, and you don’t believe what I created?

49 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:27:25pm

re: #32 doppelganglander

Nope. Nor do they understand that prayer in schools opens the door to Muslims, Wiccans or anyone else leading prayer.

My children were invited to an early morning bible study group and were treated to a prayer in which their particular brand of belief was called a cult and they were told they were headed to hell. Fortunately one of the kids in attendance promptly chimed in and said they wanted to go there too if the rest of hells inhabitants were as good as my kids were. I can kind of expect that out of kids, but for crying out loud these are “adults”. (I sure am finding lots of uses for scare quotes today…)

50 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:27:36pm

re: #32 doppelganglander

Nope. Nor do they understand that prayer in schools opens the door to Muslims, Wiccans or anyone else leading prayer.

And don’t forget The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
(I wonder when they’re going to have their first schism - fresh or dried spaghetti; soft or al dente; alfredo or red sauce;…)

51 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:27:55pm

re: #36 pre-Boomer Marine brat

SquatLoose!

Wasn’t that a song by Kenny Loggins?

52 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:28:01pm

re: #39 doppelganglander

And CyanSnowHawk at 10,000 Quatloos on #192. I need to jot this down somewhere. It might work best if we all agree on a single currency.

I have 37,456,777 Zimbabwe Dollars on Comment #169
(1 U.S. dollar…so sad…You see this lil Timmy G.? Pay attention…)

53 paradox42  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:28:26pm

re: #40 Wishing

That is not quite true, my friend. There is much *literal* teaching in the Bible that they choose to skip over. Why they have latched on to this particular issue to politicize is beyond me, especially when it is beyond the grasp of most Christians, again, by choice.

I wonder how many creationists keep kosher.

54 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:28:30pm

If #390 doesn’t win, I’ll give everyone who bet against me 100 pounds.

/and that’s a firm offer … *flexing fingers, cracking knuckles*

55 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:28:49pm
56 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:28:55pm

re: #50 Kosh’s Shadow

And don’t forget The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
(I wonder when they’re going to have their first schism - fresh or dried spaghetti; soft or al dente; alfredo or red sauce;…)

SPLITTER!

57 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:28:55pm

re: #40 Wishing

That is not quite true, my friend. There is much *literal* teaching in the Bible that they choose to skip over. Why they have latched on to this particular issue to politicize is beyond me, especially when it is beyond the grasp of most Christians, again, by choice.

My guess would be a touch of bigotry with a dash of homocentrism. They just cannot stand being related to a chimpanzee, much less anyother animal like a pig or a leech.

58 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:28:59pm

re: #53 paradox42

I wonder how many creationists keep kosher.

Very, very few.

59 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:29:04pm

re: #48 jcm

God to creationists: I created it all, and you don’t believe what I created?

A thousand up-dings!

60 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:29:14pm

re: #39 doppelganglander

And CyanSnowHawk at 10,000 Quatloos on #192. I need to jot this down somewhere. It might work best if we all agree on a single currency.

Well, let’s see. There’s the Euro, the dollar….phew, just too many different ones out there.

I know! Let’s create a currency called the Emu!

No wait, that’ll never fly.

61 Racer X  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:29:15pm

“Smited”

Isn’t that like “pwned”?

62 pink freud  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:29:30pm

re: #18 Yashmak

That’s the point. There won’t BE a difference if they start forcing religion into the science classroom.

The difference is already barely discernible. Ever hear of Rethinking Schools? I doubt there is a public school in the nation that doesn’t use this publication. They have been spearheading the indoctrination of your children for the last nineteen years.

“At a time when racial and class inequalities are growing in our country, we believe that any vision of schooling must be grounded in “the common school.”

Schools are about more than producing efficient workers or future winners of the Nobel Prize for science. They are the place in this society where children from a variety of backgrounds come together and, at least in theory, learn to talk, play, and work together.

Schools are integral not only to preparing all children to be full participants in society, but also to be full participants in this country’s ever-tenuous experiment in democracy. That this vision has yet to be fully realized does not mean it should be abandoned.”

63 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:29:30pm

re: #42 BlueCanuck

All I have to say is, What? No beauty paegant contestants signed on to the science side?

/I have $5 CAD on #149 for the meltdown.

Michelle Bachman, is that you?

64 KenJen  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:29:31pm

I think I’ll head to Petersburg ,KY this weekend to visit the Creation Museum. Its only an hour drive. I could use an escape from reality.

65 jcm  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:29:37pm

re: #53 paradox42

I wonder how many creationists keep kosher.

Or stone adulterers…..

66 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:29:44pm

re: #50 Kosh’s Shadow

And don’t forget The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
(I wonder when they’re going to have their first schism - fresh or dried spaghetti; soft or al dente; alfredo or red sauce;…)

The vegans will start the spaghetti squash schism.

67 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:29:49pm
68 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:29:53pm

re: #52 Oh no…Sand People!

I have 37,456,777 Zimbabwe Dollars on Comment #169
(1 U.S. dollar…so sad…You see this lil Timmy G.? Pay attention…)

This ain’t no penny-ante game, play big or go home.

69 Shug  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:30:02pm

re: #61 Racer X

“Smited”

Isn’t that like “pwned”?

olde school

70 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:30:30pm

re: #51 CyanSnowHawk

Wasn’t that a song by Kenny Loggins?

heh (to whatever the joke was … I’m not much familiar with his music)

71 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:30:42pm

re: #61 Racer X

“Smited”

Isn’t that like “pwned”?

I shall pwneth thee!

72 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:30:53pm

Oh no…Sand People, I’ve got you too. I’m closing betting at comment #100.

73 Emerald  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:31:07pm

There are a lot of technical and scientific organizations based in Texas. You’d think the state would recognize the economic contributions they provide, even if they aren’t going to listen to basic reason. If this bases, Texas becomes a laughing stock, and it’s going to have a hard time maintaining it’s position as a place for serious research.

74 Westward Ho  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:31:36pm

They are going to teach the Magic Hat theory of speciation i.e. an old bearded guy in flowing robes pulled out the species one by one from a hat.

75 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:32:16pm

re: #67 MandyManners

An ADULT said that to CHILDREN? Congratulations for not stomping ass.

No, sorry for the confusion. It was a student led group. The kids parents were the source of the idea though. In a bright note for our future most of the kids told him to knock it off.

I didn’t have to get involved but I know which classmates have my children’s collective back and who will get a quick response if they ever have need of our assistance.

76 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:32:20pm

OT,
Tyrannosaurus dinosaur brother of Madoff (Peter) also in trouble of becoming extinct.

77 Shug  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:32:48pm

Land of the Lost Minds

78 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:32:59pm

OT and sorry if this has already been posted, But WTF!

Army vet billed $3,000 for war wounds

Erik Roberts, an Army sergeant who was wounded in Iraq, underwent his 13th surgery recently to save his right leg from amputation. Imagine his shock when he got a bill for $3,000 for his treatment.

79 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:33:18pm

re: #74 Westward Ho

They are going to teach the Magic Hat theory of speciation i.e. an old bearded guy in flowing robes pulled out the species one by one from a hat.


I prefer the god sneezed theory. It has historic precident with Zeus and bodily fluids.

80 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:33:29pm

re: #78 Bubblehead II

OT and sorry if this has already been posted, But WTF!

Army vet billed $3,000 for war wounds

Erik Roberts, an Army sergeant who was wounded in Iraq, underwent his 13th surgery recently to save his right leg from amputation. Imagine his shock when he got a bill for $3,000 for his treatment.

Grrrrr!

81 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:33:40pm

re: #75 DaddyG

No, sorry for the confusion. It was a student led group. The kids parents were the source of the idea though. In a bright note for our future most of the kids told him to knock it off.

I didn’t have to get involved but I know which classmates have my children’s collective back and who will get a quick response if they ever have need of our assistance.

Lemme guess: “You can’t add to or take away from the WORRRRRRD!”

/drives me batshizzle insane….

82 BlueCanuck  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:33:40pm

re: #36 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We don’t need no stinkin’ SquatLoose!

But can we get Footloose?

83 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:34:01pm

re: #62 pink freud

The difference is already barely discernible. Ever hear of Rethinking Schools? I doubt there is a public school in the nation that doesn’t use this publication. They have been spearheading the indoctrination of your children for the last nineteen years.

“At a time when racial and class inequalities are growing in our country, we believe that any vision of schooling must be grounded in “the common school.”

Schools are about more than producing efficient workers or future winners of the Nobel Prize for science. They are the place in this society where children from a variety of backgrounds come together and, at least in theory, learn to talk, play, and work together.

Schools are integral not only to preparing all children to be full participants in society, but also to be full participants in this country’s ever-tenuous experiment in democracy. That this vision has yet to be fully realized does not mean it should be abandoned.”

So that’s why they’re no longer teaching civics.
/

84 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:34:10pm

re: #74 Westward Ho

They are going to teach the Magic Hat theory of speciation i.e. an old bearded guy in flowing robes pulled out the species one by one from a hat.

This is the only Magic Hat I’m interested in.

85 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:34:15pm

re: #78 Bubblehead II

OT and sorry if this has already been posted, But WTF!

Army vet billed $3,000 for war wounds

Erik Roberts, an Army sergeant who was wounded in Iraq, underwent his 13th surgery recently to save his right leg from amputation. Imagine his shock when he got a bill for $3,000 for his treatment.

* * * *
Outrageous medical billing practiced by idiots.

86 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:34:21pm

re: #63 doppelganglander

I totally quoted the wrong person.
re: #43 CyanSnowHawk

NO GLOBAL CURRENCY!

This is where I meant to respond. So, Michelle Bachman, is that you?

87 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:34:26pm

re: #50 Kosh’s Shadow

And don’t forget The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
(I wonder when they’re going to have their first schism - fresh or dried spaghetti; soft or al dente; alfredo or red sauce;…)

Al dente with red sauce, you heathen.

88 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:34:46pm

OT: Uh-oh.

LONDON — The slowdown in investment in oil and gas production could lop off nearly 8 million barrels a day of future oil supply growth, setting the stage for another big crude price spike in the years to come, according to a new study.

Good thing that Obama has promised us a unicorn-fart powered future.
We won’t have to worry about any of that nasty oil exploration or production or refining. Whew!

89 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:35:07pm

re: #40 Wishing

That is not quite true, my friend. There is much *literal* teaching in the Bible that they choose to skip over. Why they have latched on to this particular issue to politicize is beyond me, especially when it is beyond the grasp of most Christians, again, by choice.

Its not about Christianity, its about power, pure and simple.
Power is what any fundamentalist organisation is after, be they adherents of a 7th century religion or of Marx and Mao - or of a fundamentalist christian sect who is draping their greed for power in the modern clothes of ‘science’.

I’d go as far as to say that its not even about religion and the Bible - these are all nice little scenic props to guide the eyes of the observers away from what is really going on.

Ask yourselves who profits from having a badly-educated, scientifically illiterate young population?
Think about the past elections …

90 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:35:42pm

re: #88 Occasional Reader

OT: Uh-oh.

Good thing that Obama has promised us a unicorn-fart powered future.
We won’t have to worry about any of that nasty oil exploration or production or refining. Whew!

And also…as of 35 years ago…it’s always been ‘10 years away’….
*spit*

91 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:35:51pm

re: #78 Bubblehead II

OT and sorry if this has already been posted, But WTF!

Army vet billed $3,000 for war wounds

Erik Roberts, an Army sergeant who was wounded in Iraq, underwent his 13th surgery recently to save his right leg from amputation. Imagine his shock when he got a bill for $3,000 for his treatment.

God bless him. Is there a place to donate if they don’t cover it?

(And this is the future Obama wants for all of our service men and women? spit)

92 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:36:07pm
93 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:36:07pm

re: #86 doppelganglander

I totally quoted the wrong person.
re: #43 CyanSnowHawk

This is where I meant to respond. So, Michelle Bachman, is that you?

No, but if I were a woman, I could do a lot worse than to look like her.

94 KingKenrod  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:36:14pm

re: #78 Bubblehead II

OT and sorry if this has already been posted, But WTF!

Army vet billed $3,000 for war wounds

Erik Roberts, an Army sergeant who was wounded in Iraq, underwent his 13th surgery recently to save his right leg from amputation. Imagine his shock when he got a bill for $3,000 for his treatment.

I read that. The guy went to a VA hospital with a golf-ball sized lump in his leg and they told him not to worry about it. 2 days later he was in an emergency room and told they might have to amputate. The $3000 is what the VA wouldn’t pay because he went outside the system.

95 Emerald  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:36:19pm

re: #73 Emerald

I need to stop posting when taking allergy medicine. Bases = passes in my current state.

Going back into my eggshell now…

96 Baboon Cheeks  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:36:31pm

Happy birthday Richard Dawkins! Here’s one of his best programmes on evolution, from the 1991 Christmas Lectures : Growing Up in the Universe

This is a five part series, each part being an hour in length. Here’s the first:

video.google.co.uk

97 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:36:42pm

re: #89 yma o hyd

Its not about Christianity, its about power, pure and simple

nail ,, head ,,,,, thanks

I only wish I could give you multiple updings

98 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:36:50pm

re: #90 Oh no…Sand People!

And also…as of 35 years ago…it’s always been ‘10 years away’….
*spit*

Sure, but this article isn’t talking about the hoary old “peak oil” thing. It’s describing much more tangible stuff.

99 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:36:59pm
100 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:37:12pm

re: #81 Oh no…Sand People!

Lemme guess: “You can’t add to or take away from the WORRRRRRD!”

/drives me batshizzle insane….

Well, then, they better be teaching it IN HEBREW!

101 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:37:34pm

re: #45 Jimmah

Good to see them emphasizing that it isn’t just education in biology that is threatened by this nonsense.

And about time, too!

Its the whole of science - teaching, education, research - which is threatened.
If there are no people capable of doing scientific research in the USA - what do you think will happen?
Where will the research labs go?

102 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:37:51pm

re: #88 Occasional Reader

OT: Uh-oh.

Good thing that Obama has promised us a unicorn-fart powered future.
We won’t have to worry about any of that nasty oil exploration or production or refining. Whew!

* * *
Hey, OR—North Korea’s reported missile launch could land on Alaska’s pipelines, and there goes our oil supplies from the north.

And leftists laughed when Sarah Palin’s SNL character said she could see Communists from her house!

103 paradox42  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:38:10pm

re: #78 Bubblehead II

OT and sorry if this has already been posted, But WTF!

Army vet billed $3,000 for war wounds

Erik Roberts, an Army sergeant who was wounded in Iraq, underwent his 13th surgery recently to save his right leg from amputation. Imagine his shock when he got a bill for $3,000 for his treatment.

Pretty egregious. Fortunately, he didn’t have to pay that bill.

IMHO, wounded vets should receive a lifelong exemption from any and all local, state, and federal taxes. They owe us nothing, we owe them everything.

104 BlueCanuck  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:38:26pm

re: #70 pre-Boomer Marine brat

heh (to whatever the joke was … I’m not much familiar with his music)

For your enlightenment. :)

105 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:38:26pm

re: #100 Kosh’s Shadow

Well, then, they better be teaching it IN HEBREW!

Somebody give this an +1 amen!
Amen!

106 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:38:29pm

re: #81 Oh no…Sand People!

Lemme guess: “You can’t add to or take away from the WORRRRRRD!”

/drives me batshizzle insane….


You must be one of those “peculiar people” too. ;-)

Yeah- its fun to tell the bashers they need to chuck everything past Deuteronomy if they interpret it that way. I’ve spent too much time moderating religious blog discussions to even be shocked or surprised any more. My kids are well armed with the knowledge of where there doctrines come from and what they mean.

107 KingKenrod  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:38:30pm

re: #91 DaddyG

God bless him. Is there a place to donate if they don’t cover it?

(And this is the future Obama wants for all of our service men and women? spit)

The VA said they would pay it after they got an ass-chewing from Sen. Sherrod Brown. For a politician, this kind of thing is low-hanging fruit.

108 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:38:31pm
109 Salamantis  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:38:42pm

Y’all might wanna refresh that Houston Chronical live-blogg; evolutionary bioscience just got regally royally reamed.

110 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:38:51pm

re: #102 alegrias

* * *
Hey, OR—North Korea’s reported missile launch could land on Alaska’s pipelines, and there goes our oil supplies from the north.

And leftists laughed when Sarah Palin’s SNL character said she could see Communists from her house!

I sometimes see Communists in my house, but then that’s my sister and other liberal relatives.

111 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:39:04pm

re: #40 Wishing

That is not quite true, my friend. There is much *literal* teaching in the Bible that they choose to skip over. Why they have latched on to this particular issue to politicize is beyond me, especially when it is beyond the grasp of most Christians, again, by choice.

That’s true, they don’t emphasize the problem of wearing a garment woven of two fibers. I see a LOT of poly-cotton blends at church. A.J. Jacobs wrote a book about his attempt to be the ultimate literalist.

The Year of Living Biblically: One Man’s Humble Quest to Follow the Bible as Literally as Possible

112 jcm  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:39:17pm

re: #78 Bubblehead II

OT and sorry if this has already been posted, But WTF!

Army vet billed $3,000 for war wounds

Erik Roberts, an Army sergeant who was wounded in Iraq, underwent his 13th surgery recently to save his right leg from amputation. Imagine his shock when he got a bill for $3,000 for his treatment.

He should forward the bill to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

113 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:39:23pm

re: #92 buzzsawmonkey

Could the private vets’ insurance thing be implemented without a specific provision being passed?

* * *
Former General Eric Shinseki who now heads the Veterans Administration must be wondering why he agreed to “lead” that agency, given the bad publicity it’s getting.

114 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:39:23pm

re: #102 alegrias

* * *
Hey, OR—North Korea’s reported missile launch could land on Alaska’s pipelines, and there goes our oil supplies from the north.

And leftists laughed when Sarah Palin’s SNL character said she could see Communists from her house!

So can I. The guy that lives a couple doors down has an Obama sticker on his car.

115 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:39:33pm

re: #94 KingKenrod

I read that. The guy went to a VA hospital with a golf-ball sized lump in his leg and they told him not to worry about it. 2 days later he was in an emergency room and told they might have to amputate. The $3000 is what the VA wouldn’t pay because he went outside the system.

And under our new nationalized system, 0care (that’s zero care), we’ll all have a similar experience - but there won’t be any place else to go.

116 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:39:38pm

re: #92 buzzsawmonkey

Could the private vets’ insurance thing be implemented without a specific provision being passed?

After a fashion. The VA Hospital lab probably biopsied the infecting germs as good-old-American germs, therefore the infection itself wasn’t combat-related.

/just guessing

117 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:39:57pm

re: #91 DaddyG

VA took care of the bill, AFTER his Congresswoman got involved.

CNN on Wednesday contacted the office of Sen. Sherrod Brown, a Democrat from Roberts’ home state of Ohio who serves on the Senate’s VA committee. Brown’s office had not heard of Roberts’ case, but immediately reached out to the soldier and alerted the VA about his situation.

In less than 24 hours, the VA got back to CNN. “The VA will be paying the bill,” said VA spokesman Sean Nelson.

/ No Shit. Fooking bureaucrats

118 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:40:14pm

re: #93 CyanSnowHawk

No, but if I were a woman, I could do a lot worse than to look like her.

She’s sharp, too. But the bill about not replacing the dollar with any other currency is just plain nuts.

119 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:40:31pm

re: #103 paradox42

Pretty egregious. Fortunately, he didn’t have to pay that bill.

IMHO, wounded vets should receive a lifelong exemption from any and all local, state, and federal taxes. They owe us nothing, we owe them everything.

I’d sponser that bill, as long as there was an amendment to exempt John Efn Kerry fro the exemption

120 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:40:31pm

re: #89 yma o hyd

Its not about Christianity, its about power, pure and simple.
Power is what any fundamentalist organisation is after, be they adherents of a 7th century religion or of Marx and Mao - or of a fundamentalist christian sect who is draping their greed for power in the modern clothes of ‘science’.

I’d go as far as to say that its not even about religion and the Bible - these are all nice little scenic props to guide the eyes of the observers away from what is really going on.

Ask yourselves who profits from having a badly-educated, scientifically illiterate young population?
Think about the past elections …

And that’s why the Church went after Galileo, but now, with them out of secular power, supporting science, but recognizing there is a Creator.

121 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:41:14pm

re: #106 DaddyG

You must be one of those “peculiar people” too. ;-)

Yeah- its fun to tell the bashers they need to chuck everything past Deuteronomy if they interpret it that way. I’ve spent too much time moderating religious blog discussions to even be shocked or surprised any more. My kids are well armed with the knowledge of where there doctrines come from and what they mean.

In fact going through ‘Rough Stone Rolling’ the second time… If you haven’t read it… “Dude.”

That’s about all I can say…best portrayal of the positives and negatives I have ever seen.

122 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:41:27pm

PIMF There = their

I’m not literate I only play one on line.

123 KingKenrod  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:41:37pm

re: #117 Bubblehead II

VA took care of the bill, AFTER his Congresswoman got involved.

CNN on Wednesday contacted the office of Sen. Sherrod Brown, a Democrat from Roberts’ home state of Ohio who serves on the Senate’s VA committee. Brown’s office had not heard of Roberts’ case, but immediately reached out to the soldier and alerted the VA about his situation.

In less than 24 hours, the VA got back to CNN. “The VA will be paying the bill,” said VA spokesman Sean Nelson.

/ No Shit. Fooking bureaucrats

That’s not a woman, that’s a MAN, baby!

124 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:42:26pm

I’m declaring meltdown betting closed. Here’s what we’ve got:

Me: 237
SasquatchOnSteroids 2,000 Republican credits on 253.
CyanSnowHawk at 10,000 Quatloos on #192
sattv4u: 139
Wishing 337
pre-Boomer Marine Brat at #390
Blue Canuck $5CDN #149
Sand People: 37,456,777 Zimbabwe Dollars on Comment #169

125 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:42:43pm
re: #78 Bubblehead II

OT and sorry if this has already been posted, But WTF!

Army vet billed $3,000 for war wounds

Erik Roberts, an Army sergeant who was wounded in Iraq, underwent his 13th surgery recently to save his right leg from amputation. Imagine his shock when he got a bill for $3,000 for his treatment.

But in December, he says, a golf ball-sized lump appeared on his wounded leg. He says he went to a Veterans Affairs hospital and was told not to worry about it.

The doctor who told him that should be sacked and his medical license revoked.

126 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:42:45pm

re: #93 CyanSnowHawk

No, but if I were a woman, I could do a lot worse than to look like her.

* * *
Michelle Bachman the Minnesota congresswoman and lawyer and mother of 5, was just shown grilling Timothy Geithner about whether his proposed government takeover of private firms is Constitutional. Geithner stammered then said Congress authorized him. Michelle Bachman wouldn’t let him off the hook.

You go, Rep. Bachman.

(On Fox News Cable)

127 Russkilitlover  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:42:50pm

Way too lengthy of a communication from the scientists. They need an editor. A simple, “Are you people fucking nuts!” would have sufficed.

128 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:43:22pm

re: #118 doppelganglander

She’s sharp, too. But the bill about not replacing the dollar with any other currency is just plain nuts.

How so?

/I don’t follow economics closely enough to know the details/problems with having a currency controlled outside of the US Government hands. It just seems like a bad idea.

129 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:43:25pm

re: #92 buzzsawmonkey

His private insurance picked up the majority of the bill.

The $3,000 billed to Roberts wasn’t for the surgery itself. It’s a portion of the bill for six weeks of daily antibiotics to prevent the infection from coming back. His private insurance plan picked up the majority of the $90,000 in costs

130 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:43:28pm

re: #119 sattv4u2

I’d sponser that bill, as long as there was an amendment to exempt John Efn Kerry fro the exemption

I am not sure why we have VA Facilities anyway? Vets should get treatment at the best hospitals we have and the/a VA payment authority should just be responsible for sending out the payments.

131 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:43:41pm

This is probably a good thead to put this letter from Barbara Forrest to our local newspaper about what’s going on in Louisiana.


Louisiana Family Forum official Gene Mills’s ill-informed response to the Society for Integrative and Comparative Biology’s decision to hold its meeting in Utah instead of Louisiana betrays his surprise that the creationist Louisiana Science Education Act — which his Louisiana Family Forum engineered — has caused damage that he didn’t anticipate.

Louisiana not only has a creationist law on the books but also now suffers from nationwide, negative publicity. Consequently, the dollars SICB would have brought to New Orleans — as it did when it held its 2004, 1987, and 1976 meetings there — will go to Utah.
Why Utah?

Because in 2005, when a Utah legislator tried to pass creationist legislation, the state Board of Education announced that evolution is central to Utah’s K-12 science curriculum.

Why is Mills so concerned with what other people’s children are learning in public schools? Whom does he think he’s fooling when he claims to be concerned with “academic freedom”?

Let’s look at some facts that Mills himself has publicized. Mills’s children don’t attend public schools. They are homeschooled, with the older ones attending private Christian schools.

In his 2008 “Christmas Letter” to LFF supporters, he announced the continuation of his wife’s “great homeschool adventure” and their sons’ football activities at Christian Life Academy. He also touted LFF’s success in helping to pass voucher legislation giving public money to private schools in Orleans Parish. So he has no personal stake in public education.

Mills has promoted creationism for years. In June 2008, when Gov. Bobby Jindal signed the LSEA, the LFF Web site offered a “fact sheet” titled “Origins Science Web sites” with hyperlinks to both young-Earth and intelligent design creationist Web sites. This is only a sample of such material.

LFF’s new Web site is promoting error-ridden creationist textbook addendums and an intelligent design DVD, Investigating Evolution, as “practical alternatives” to the “uncritical teaching of evolutionism.” The DVD features Discovery Institute creationists — LFF’s partners in promoting the LSEA — fulminating about the supposed weaknesses of evolution.

One of them, Paul Nelson, believes Earth is only 10,000 years old. Mills’s Christmas letter also credits “LFF’s friendship with the Jindal administration” for LFF’s success in the 2008 legislative session, when 100 pastors “circulated throughout the Capitol,” providing “pastoral and chaplain services” to legislators.

Mills acknowledged Gov. Jindal’s assistance throughout the year, when “another 89 Louisiana pastors served as special council to the governor at LFF’s Governor’s Roundtables. At each roundtable, twenty pastors of every denominational stripe broke bread with the governor at the mansion, talked about vision, and then prayed for each other and for our great state.”

Mills, with Jindal’s help, is crafting public policy that reflects his personal religious agenda. The responsibility for the negative economic blowback rests squarely on their shoulders.

132 Querent  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:43:46pm

let me get my Munch scream file loaded to add to the chorus:

NOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo!

and now go get caught up…

133 godfrey  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:43:55pm

re: #89 yma o hyd

I don’t think it’s about power. It’s primarily about fear. Creationists stake their entire world-view on a literal reading of Genesis. That view is wrong. If they give it up, if they can’t normalize/mainstream it, they have to confront the hard reality that their fundamentalist reading is wrong.

This scares the daylights out of them, so they lash out.

This is deeper than a desire to control. It’s existential for them. They lose their reading of Genesis, and the rest topples.

Same neurosis as the Islamists, sounds like.

134 Baboon Cheeks  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:44:50pm

Evolving glory of the Galapagos - fabric pictures by Lalla Ward (Mrs Dawkins)

media.richarddawkins.net

The pictures are part of an auction whose proceeds are going to the Gerald Durrell Fund for Galapagos conservation. You can bid for them here till the 28th:

media.richarddawkins.net

Some great lizards in there…

135 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:45:01pm

re: #124 doppelganglander

I’m declaring meltdown betting closed. Here’s what we’ve got:

Me: 237
SasquatchOnSteroids 2,000 Republican credits on 253.
CyanSnowHawk at 10,000 Quatloos on #192
sattv4u: 139
Wishing 337
pre-Boomer Marine Brat at #390
Blue Canuck $5CDN #149
Sand People: 37,456,777 Zimbabwe Dollars on Comment #169

Gee, do I win if it’s anything over #390?
*tingle*

136 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:45:03pm

re: #110 Nevergiveup

I sometimes see Communists in my house, but then that’s my sister and other liberal relatives.

* * * *
Like the scene in Dr. Zhivago the movie, where the Russian Bolsheviks all moved into his house and “let” his wife keep one bedroom, while he was away saving lives.

137 BlueCanuck  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:45:07pm

re: #125 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Unfortunately from what I have seen here in Canada, it’s a problem endemic with both our systems. It’s up to the vet to PROVE the injury is service related.

*spit*

138 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:45:15pm

re: #121 Oh no…Sand People!

In fact going through ‘Rough Stone Rolling’ the second time… If you haven’t read it… “Dude.”

That’s about all I can say…best portrayal of the positives and negatives I have ever seen.

Loved it. Not for beginners but it sure dispels some historical nastiness. Probably the best balanced biography I’ve ever seen and he didn’t shy away from the bad and the ugly.

Now I feel guilty for derailing the Creationist thread. I should head over to FARMS or something… ;-)

139 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:45:30pm

re: #128 CyanSnowHawk

How so?

/I don’t follow economics closely enough to know the details/problems with having a currency controlled outside of the US Government hands. It just seems like a bad idea.

It’s definitely nuts. Just look at the euro — several countries have discovered it limits their ability to manage their own economies. Italy is considering opting out of it. But no one is proposing that the U.S. use any currency but the dollar. If someone did, of course it should be opposed. But no one is, so it just makes her look rather Paulian.

140 Gus  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:46:15pm

The Houston Chronicle blog has some updates:

2:20 - Now we have the vote to add McLeroy’s unscientific and anti-evolution amendment. The vote is 9-5 to add it, with Rick Agosto and Rene Nunez voting Yes with the seven Religious Right Creationists. Science is screwed again. We need to reorganize and find out why some normally science-supporting SB members are voting with the YECs to undermine and injure Biology education. If the pro-science faction on the SBOE doesn’t stick together, the Creationists will win with their debilitating individual amendments rather than S&W.

2:33 - We now turn to Earth and Space Science. Bob Craig has a single sheet with five different amendments. These are recommended by the ESS TEKS-writing panel. Barbara Cargill mentioned me by name and mistakenly said that I wrote the amendments. In fact, the amendments were written by the eight members of the ESS panel. Terri Leo also complained that she hasn’t seen these amendments. This is false, too. The SB members got these twice by email and in paper form yesterday when Kyle Lewellen spoke. He handed out the ESS Final Report on the ESS amendments. This document contained these amendments. Cargill is taking the lead to oppose these amendments, which is understandable since she was responsible for getting the original bad amendments passed in January.

141 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:46:29pm

re: #137 BlueCanuck

Unfortunately from what I have seen here in Canada, it’s a problem endemic with both our systems. It’s up to the vet to PROVE the injury is service related.

*spit*

Bureaucrats!
*spit*

142 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:46:39pm

re: #124 doppelganglander

I’m declaring meltdown betting closed. Here’s what we’ve got:

Me: 237
SasquatchOnSteroids 2,000 Republican credits on 253.
CyanSnowHawk at 10,000 Quatloos on #192
sattv4u: 139
Wishing 337
pre-Boomer Marine Brat at #390
Blue Canuck $5CDN #149
Sand People: 37,456,777 Zimbabwe Dollars on Comment #169

WAIT WAIT! On comment #410, I bet just this ashtray. And this paddle game, the ashtray and the paddle game and that’s all I bet. And this remote control. The ashtray, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that’s all I bet. And these matches. The ashtray, and these matches, and the remote control and the paddle ball. And this lamp. The ashtray, this paddle game and the remote control and the lamp and that’s all I bet.

143 Jack Burton  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:46:42pm

re: #67 MandyManners

An ADULT said that to CHILDREN? Congratulations for not stomping ass.

When I was a child, in order to shut my grandmother up, my parents allowed her to put me in a religious pre-school. It turned out to be one of those ‘born again’ evangelical types, run by New Life Chapel, and I’m sure it was probably full of YECs too.

I don’t remember it myself but apparently they used to scare me to death on a daily basis talking about hell. My mom pulled me out of there after a few weeks of that. Adults telling children they are going to go to hell is probably more common than you think and it’s an absolute shame.

144 Shug  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:46:45pm

re: #124 doppelganglander

I’m declaring meltdown betting closed. Here’s what we’ve got:

Me: 237
SasquatchOnSteroids 2,000 Republican credits on 253.
CyanSnowHawk at 10,000 Quatloos on #192
sattv4u: 139
Wishing 337
pre-Boomer Marine Brat at #390
Blue Canuck $5CDN #149
Sand People: 37,456,777 Zimbabwe Dollars on Comment #169


I’ll take the Field bet

145 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:47:06pm

re: #125 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yep, but it will not happen, even with all this bad publicity.

Damn shame too.

146 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:47:09pm

re: #111 doppelganglander

Please don’t get me wrong: I love the Scripture, it is the joy of my life! But to call Scripture a textbook, science or any other kind, is to belittle it.
It is not a textbook! Of any kind!

147 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:47:10pm

re: #130 Nevergiveup

I am not sure why we have VA Facilities anyway? Vets should get treatment at the best hospitals we have and the/a VA payment authority should just be responsible for sending out the payments.

Because after WW2 there were too many vets as patients. They would have swamped the “traditional” hospitals. My father, asfter WW2 went into civilian service at the Chelsea (Massachusetts) Naval Hospital. It had about 2500 beds and was at capacity most of the time due to WW 2 vets, then Korea, ,, then Vietnam.

Now that that generation of vets are mostly gone, the need isn;t as much of a need for VA only hospitals but they are already there, staffed and funded

148 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:47:22pm

re: #141 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Bureaucrats!
*spit*

Hey we’re not all bad. (Just an unfortunate number of us…)

149 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:48:00pm

re: #124 doppelganglander

I’m declaring meltdown betting closed. Here’s what we’ve got:

Me: 237
SasquatchOnSteroids 2,000 Republican credits on 253.
CyanSnowHawk at 10,000 Quatloos on #192
sattv4u: 139Wishing 337
pre-Boomer Marine Brat at #390
Blue Canuck $5CDN #149
Sand People: 37,456,777 Zimbabwe Dollars on Comment #169


I lost!

150 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:48:06pm

re: #111 doppelganglander

That’s true, they don’t emphasize the problem of wearing a garment woven of two fibers. I see a LOT of poly-cotton blends at church. A.J. Jacobs wrote a book about his attempt to be the ultimate literalist.

The Year of Living Biblically: One Man’s Humble Quest to Follow the Bible as Literally as Possible

Poly-Cotton is the ONLY way I roll…seriously. 100% cotton just doesn’t do it for me…re: #138 DaddyG

Loved it. Not for beginners but it sure dispels some historical nastiness. Probably the best balanced biography I’ve ever seen and he didn’t shy away from the bad and the ugly.

Now I feel guilty for derailing the Creationist thread. I should head over to FARMS or something… ;-)

FARMS, Heh.

151 BlueCanuck  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:48:07pm

Well it looks like I am out of contention already. :(

/anyone got change for a 20?

152 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:48:22pm

re: #114 CyanSnowHawk

So can I. The guy that lives a couple doors down has an Obama sticker on his car.

* * **

Here near DC, its about 90% that way, for now.

But change is coming. Virginia and New Jersey have gubernatorial races this year, opportunities to toss out the Obama supported candidates.

153 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:48:44pm

re: #147 sattv4u2

Because after WW2 there were too many vets as patients. They would have swamped the “traditional” hospitals. My father, asfter WW2 went into civilian service at the Chelsea (Massachusetts) Naval Hospital. It had about 2500 beds and was at capacity most of the time due to WW 2 vets, then Korea, ,, then Vietnam.

Now that that generation of vets are mostly gone, the need isn;t as much of a need for VA only hospitals but they are already there, staffed and funded

Maybe, but funding can be shifted and a transition can be made to a more efficient deliver system.

154 Querent  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:49:06pm

re: #50 Kosh’s Shadow
the FSM prayer is grace before dinner

(Pastafarians, Raviolites, and Gnocchians all agree on this sacrament!)

155 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:49:20pm
156 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:49:24pm

re: #140 Gus 802

The Houston Chronicle blog has some updates:

I see that my old 10% never get the word adage does not apply to the Texas School Board. 9-5? What is going on down there?

157 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:49:30pm

re: #147 sattv4u2

Because after WW2 there were too many vets as patients. They would have swamped the “traditional” hospitals. My father, asfter WW2 went into civilian service at the Chelsea (Massachusetts) Naval Hospital. It had about 2500 beds and was at capacity most of the time due to WW 2 vets, then Korea, ,, then Vietnam.

Now that that generation of vets are mostly gone, the need isn;t as much of a need for VA only hospitals but they are already there, staffed and funded

Some of our camo colored lizards were explaining in an earlier thread that the comeraderie and support of fellow soldiers who have dealt with similar struggles are enough of a justification to keep them open. I can’t argue with that. It must be very comforting to have someone who has walked the path before you and survived available to counsel and encourge your rehabilitation.

158 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:49:42pm

re: #133 godfrey

I don’t think it’s about power. It’s primarily about fear. Creationists stake their entire world-view on a literal reading of Genesis. That view is wrong. If they give it up, if they can’t normalize/mainstream it, they have to confront the hard reality that their fundamentalist reading is wrong.

This scares the daylights out of them, so they lash out.

This is deeper than a desire to control. It’s existential for them. They lose their reading of Genesis, and the rest topples.

Same neurosis as the Islamists, sounds like.

Genesis has an amazingly short Creation story. The reason is, it isn’t there to give a detailed description of Creation, but to give G-d’s credentials, so the rest of the Torah makes sense.
“I created the world and all its contents; therefore I can choose whichever people I want, and give them whatever land I want.”
I believe this was Rashi’s view. (A medieval Jewish commentator on the Torah and other religious works.) But it might have been someone else; my books are at home and I’m at work.

Kabbalists have a description of Creation, based on Genesis, that sounds much more like the scientific one.

159 jcm  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:49:52pm

re: #133 godfrey

I don’t think it’s about power. It’s primarily about fear. Creationists stake their entire world-view on a literal reading of Genesis. That view is wrong. If they give it up, if they can’t normalize/mainstream it, they have to confront the hard reality that their fundamentalist reading is wrong.

This scares the daylights out of them, so they lash out.

This is deeper than a desire to control. It’s existential for them. They lose their reading of Genesis, and the rest topples.

Same neurosis as the Islamists, sounds like.

The make a fundamental error in their reading of scripture. They ignore scriptures own referencing of how scripture should be read, understood and applied. Scripture is a SPIRITUAL text. Scripture is something for our spirit, and spiritual life. Any attempt to apply it any other manner is a mistake, one which is pointed out in scripture as the difference between spiritual life and death.

160 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:49:54pm

re: #135 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gee, do I win if it’s anything over #390?
*tingle*

If we are playing by “The Price is Right” rules, I suppose so.

161 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:50:44pm

If I lose…I am paying in Zimbabwean change…

162 paradox42  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:51:12pm

re: #137 BlueCanuck

Unfortunately from what I have seen here in Canada, it’s a problem endemic with both our systems. It’s up to the vet to PROVE the injury is service related.

*spit*

It should be up to the government to prove that the injury isn’t service related. Our troops should be given the benefit of the doubt, and the bureaucrats should be given a swift kick in the ass with a steel-toed boot.

163 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:51:18pm

re: #151 BlueCanuck

Well it looks like I am out of contention already. :(

/anyone got change for a 20?

Y’ wanna take it outta that SquatLoose layin’ on the floor up-thread?

/latex gloves and a clothspin for the nose would be advisable

164 Baboon Cheeks  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:51:30pm

re: #109 Salamantis

Y’all might wanna refresh that Houston Chronical live-blogg; evolutionary bioscience just got regally royally reamed.

Fuck.

165 Gus  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:51:48pm

re: #156 unreconstructed rebel

I see that my old 10% never get the word adage does not apply to the Texas School Board. 9-5? What is going on down there?

I just started reading. Looks like science is losing down there. We have a dentist making value judgements on science that goes by the name of McLeroy and several other quacks pretending to know about science.

166 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:51:53pm

re: #139 doppelganglander

It’s definitely nuts. Just look at the euro — several countries have discovered it limits their ability to manage their own economies. Italy is considering opting out of it. But no one is proposing that the U.S. use any currency but the dollar. If someone did, of course it should be opposed. But no one is, so it just makes her look rather Paulian.

Oh OK. I thought you were in favor of a global currency.

I took the bill as one of those preemptive media strikes that is useful for garnering some attention, and thus widespread name recognition, for the one who proposes it, even if it is basically worth less than the paper it is printed on.

167 pink freud  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:52:14pm

re: #131 reine.de.tout

Are you hearing anything about the possibility of this new law being overturned here? There’s quite an outrage in my neck of the woods.

168 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:52:25pm

re: #142 Occasional Reader

WAIT WAIT! On comment #410, I bet just this ashtray. And this paddle game, the ashtray and the paddle game and that’s all I bet. And this remote control. The ashtray, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that’s all I bet. And these matches. The ashtray, and these matches, and the remote control and the paddle ball. And this lamp. The ashtray, this paddle game and the remote control and the lamp and that’s all I bet.

Well, that’s a pretty fancy remote control. I guess I can let you in on the action. I just closed it off because as you go further in the thread, it gives an advantage to latecomers.

169 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:52:27pm

re: #143 ArchangelMichael

One Halloween, we had someone in our neighborhood giving us little trick or treaters a comic book instead of candy. The comic book was all about the imminent Apocalypse, which was of course right around the corner, complete with 100-lb. hailstones (amazing how St. John predicted the English measuring system), famine, war, etc.

We skipped that house the following year, I think, preferring Tootsie Rolls and the like.

170 Gus  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:52:30pm
2:20 - Now we have the vote to add McLeroy’s unscientific and anti-evolution amendment. The vote is 9-5 to add it, with Rick Agosto and Rene Nunez voting Yes with the seven Religious Right Creationists.
171 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:52:37pm

re: #120 Kosh’s Shadow

Indeed.

While one might argue that during Galileo’s times the natural sciences were still so young that anybody who educatem himself could actually know ll there was to know about it, and while one could also argue that the RC Church has been and is glacially slow in recognising new developments - today the natural sciences are so vast, and progress so quickly, that ‘keeping up’ even in a small speciality is pretty breathtaking.

Thus, pupils who have never been taught the scientific method, in any of the science subjects, will never be able to catch up.
They will stay illiterate all their lives - and the discoveries will be made somewhere else - while they will ahve to pay through their noses, for patents etc - if they’re even allowed to obtain those innovations.
Businesses will not be able to develop new products - because they cannot afford to pay for the patents.

Yeah - cutting off scientific education in schools is a general, economic disaster in the making, regardless of religion.
But hey - PB0 and his followers do seem to like people being driven by emotions only, and being kept reasonably poor. They won’t have the time to ask awkward questions then.

172 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:52:48pm

re: #161 Oh no…Sand People!

If I lose…I am paying in Zimbabwean change…

As long as you don’t try paying with Zimbabwean hope.

173 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:53:09pm

re: #169 Occasional Reader

One Halloween, we had someone in our neighborhood giving us little trick or treaters a comic book instead of candy. The comic book was all about the imminent Apocalypse, which was of course right around the corner, complete with 100-lb. hailstones (amazing how St. John predicted the English measuring system), famine, war, etc.

We skipped that house the following year, I think, preferring Tootsie Rolls and the like.

HAH!
I WON!

/right…?

174 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:53:39pm

re: #150 Oh no…Sand People!

FARMS, Heh.

Poly-cotton. Ha!

We’re headed to the Temple Saturday with my son prior to his mission departure next week.

I helped moderate the FAIR discussion board before they spun off as an independent entity. Great fun and very educational. Now I have a job so I shouldn’t even waste time monitoring these discussions. (oops)

175 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:53:51pm

re: #160 doppelganglander

If we are playing by “The Price is Right” rules, I suppose so.

*grin*
Duly noted

/collecting might be a b*tch

176 Shug  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:54:14pm

He that lives upon hope will die fasting.

— Benjamin Franklin

177 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:54:53pm

re: #169 Occasional Reader

I was trick-or-treating for UNICEF at age 8, and made the mistake of hitting the house with the Bircher sign on the lawn. That guy was loud.

178 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:55:32pm

re: #146 Wishing

Please don’t get me wrong: I love the Scripture, it is the joy of my life! But to call Scripture a textbook, science or any other kind, is to belittle it.
It is not a textbook! Of any kind!

Not at all. I think we are in agreement.

179 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:56:04pm

re: #139 doppelganglander

But no one is, so it just makes her look rather Paulian.

And I seem to recall someone linking a bit earlier this week to Rep. Bachman saying something rather militia-y. Bleh.

180 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:56:42pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

I was trick-or-treating for UNICEF at age 8, and made the mistake of hitting the house with the Bircher sign on the lawn. That guy was loud.

If only you could have arranged to be picked up from the guy’s house by a black helicopter!

181 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:56:57pm

re: #175 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
Duly noted

/collecting might be a b*tch

But, I let OR have #410. I am a terrible referee. We’ll call it a tie, ok?

182 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:57:32pm

re: #174 DaddyG

Poly-cotton. Ha!

We’re headed to the Temple Saturday with my son prior to his mission departure next week.

I helped moderate the FAIR discussion board before they spun off as an independent entity. Great fun and very educational. Now I have a job so I shouldn’t even waste time monitoring these discussions. (oops)

I have gotten some pretty solid insights into some things at FAIR. Good stuff.

Congrats on the Temple Saturday, and for your son’s putting himself through an additional 2 years of highschool treatment on the mission…but I hear the ‘bar’ has been raised so perhaps those ‘types’ have been weeded out…

Well, gotta go!

Later all.

183 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:58:02pm

re: #169 Occasional Reader

One Halloween, we had someone in our neighborhood giving us little trick or treaters a comic book instead of candy. The comic book was all about the imminent Apocalypse, which was of course right around the corner, complete with 100-lb. hailstones (amazing how St. John predicted the English measuring system), famine, war, etc.

We skipped that house the following year, I think, preferring Tootsie Rolls and the like.

When I hit one of those homes I love starting discussions about how the modern celebration of Christmas is loosely based on several pagan traditions and winter solstice celebrations and conversely how Halloween is based on (all hallows eve) the commemoration of the spirits of righteous people being released from eternal prison. (I’m just evil that way).

184 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:58:09pm

re: #179 Occasional Reader

And I seem to recall someone linking a bit earlier this week to Rep. Bachman saying something rather militia-y. Bleh.

Is there ANYONE sane, anywhere in leadership in this country?

185 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:58:44pm

GENEVA (Reuters) - A United Nations forum on Thursday passed a resolution condemning “defamation of religion” as a human rights violation, despite wide concerns that it could be used to justify curbs on free speech in Muslim countries.

reuters.com

Spit!

186 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:59:04pm

re: #181 doppelganglander

But, I let OR have #410. I am a terrible referee. We’ll call it a tie, ok?

*sob*
*whine*
*claim victimization*

:D

187 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:00:09pm
188 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:00:19pm

re: #167 pink freud

Are you hearing anything about the possibility of this new law being overturned here? There’s quite an outrage in my neck of the woods.

I haven’t heard anything. I just hope Barbara Forrest keeps working on this. She is knowledgeable and an excellent spokesperson. Teaches at Southeastern, I believe.

189 jcm  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:00:21pm

re: #186 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*sob*
*whine*
*claim victimization*

:D

Meltdown at #186!

Who won?

;-P

190 Gus  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:00:23pm

I guess it would be redundant if I said they’re basing these amendments and policy on religious ideology which is a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

192 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:00:42pm

re: #179 Occasional Reader

And I seem to recall someone linking a bit earlier this week to Rep. Bachman saying something rather militia-y. Bleh.

* * * *
I’ll take Minnesota Rep. Bachmann, republican, anytime over Minnesota Rep. Ellison—supporter of Hamas & Hezbollah—anytime.

193 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:00:46pm

re: #185 Nevergiveup

GENEVA (Reuters) - A United Nations forum on Thursday passed a resolution condemning “defamation of religion” as a human rights violation, despite wide concerns that it could be used to justify curbs on free speech in Muslim countries.

[Link: www.reuters.com…]

Spit!

We so need to dump the UN, get it out of the USA. Sadly, I think the TOTUS likes it.

194 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:01:08pm

re: #181 doppelganglander

But, I let OR have #410. I am a terrible referee. We’ll call it a tie, ok?

What kind of gambling site is this?

195 Shug  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:01:14pm

He who lives upon hopenchange will die in debt

—Shug Franklin

196 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:01:25pm

re: #189 jcm

Meltdown at #186!

Who won?

;-P

ROFLMAO!

197 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:01:47pm

re: #192 alegrias

* * * *
I’ll take Minnesota Rep. Bachmann, republican, anytime over Minnesota Rep. Ellison—supporter of Hamas & Hezbollah—anytime.

That was hardly a meltdown.

I’m out.

198 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:01:48pm

re: #191 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

‘I’m having a very good crisis,’ says Soros as hedge fund managers make billions off recession

A Presser with some stones needs to ask Obama if Soros ill gotten gains at the expense of the middle class should be taxed at 90%

199 pink freud  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:01:51pm

re: #188 reine.de.tout

I haven’t heard anything. I just hope Barbara Forrest keeps working on this. She is knowledgeable and an excellent spokesperson. Teaches at Southeastern, I believe.

Thanks, reine. I am sending your posted column around to the locals.

200 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:02:05pm

re: #133 godfrey

I don’t think it’s about power. It’s primarily about fear. Creationists stake their entire world-view on a literal reading of Genesis. That view is wrong. If they give it up, if they can’t normalize/mainstream it, they have to confront the hard reality that their fundamentalist reading is wrong.

This scares the daylights out of them, so they lash out.

This is deeper than a desire to control. It’s existential for them. They lose their reading of Genesis, and the rest topples.

Same neurosis as the Islamists, sounds like.


I agree, it is indeed the same neurosis as the islamists, with the same urge to control what people are allowed to think and what they should be taught - and above all, what not.
But as they can do this in the privacy of their homes, home0schooling their kids - why this urge to inflict it on everybody else, backed by some hefty wealth? The DI doesn’t run on prayers …

I think this points to an unholy alliance, where both sides exploit each other - the one to force their religious neurosis on everybody else, the other to reduce free-thinking, critical individuals to mind-slaves, who will later be told what to think, by ‘experts’, because they don’t know!
And they do not know because they ahve not been taught - its as if one stops pupils from learning the alphabet because books are dangerous - and so many other people in the world live happily without being able to read.

Which leads to the question - who is then going to be able to run businesses, to innovate, to do research?
Not the vast majority of creationist-schooled pupils. They will be just consumers, and stupid consumers of any snake oil at that.

201 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:02:27pm

re: #189 jcm

Meltdown at #186!

Who won?

;-P

(#2) … and FedEx me your spare keyboard, please … :D

202 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:02:31pm
203 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:02:31pm

re: #186 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*sob*
*whine*
*claim victimization*

:D

No, no, no. Have you learned nothing? Sue! I’m not sure where you’ll find a court of competent jurisdiction, though.

Gotta drive my daughter to work. Save me a gamy buttock.

204 jcm  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:02:42pm

Flying Pig!

Seattle PI’s David Horsey.

Will light at the end of Iraq’s long tunnel shine on Bush?

Yet, while most folks on the liberal side of American politics are happy to be rid of the Bush gang and have already concluded that history’s verdict will match Oliver Stone’s scenario, I am thinking history may see it differently. All along, there has been the chance that Iraqis could claw there way out of chaos and quagmire and start building a more stable society. Now it may be happening.

I bet he worn 10 years of enamel of his teeth while writing that!

205 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:02:57pm

re: #146 Wishing

Please don’t get me wrong: I love the Scripture, it is the joy of my life! But to call Scripture a textbook, science or any other kind, is to belittle it.
It is not a textbook! Of any kind!

All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the faith and correcting error, for re-setting the direction of a man’s life and training him in good living. The scriptures are the comprehensive equipment of the man of God and fit him fully for all branches of his work. - 2 Timothy 3:16-17

Nope, not much there about science. But, not sure you should say its no textbook. Think about it in the context Paul places it.

206 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:03:14pm

re: #184 doppelganglander

Is there ANYONE sane, anywhere in leadership in this country?

* * * *
that’s a little harsh.
It’s all a matter of degree.
Still, I prefer a pro-American politician than her opposing democrat congressman from Minnesota, the pro-islamist Keith Ellison.

207 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:03:29pm
208 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:04:18pm
209 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:04:19pm

re: #207 MandyManners

You’re just divan.

Sofa so good.

210 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:04:21pm

There were some very good reasons the founding fathers forbade the establishment of a national religion- and none of them had to do with lack of faith on their part.

The very people who demand their religious views be a part of public education risk destroying the freedom of religion they enjoy.

211 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:04:36pm

re: #165 Gus 802

I just started reading. Looks like science is losing down there. We have a dentist making value judgements on science that goes by the name of McLeroy and several other quacks pretending to know about science.

A dentist should know better. I think I’ll pass on getting my teeth cleaned in Texas.

212 jcm  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:04:41pm

re: #201 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(#2) … and FedEx me your spare keyboard, please … :D

*Rummages through spares cabinet.*

On the way!

213 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:04:48pm

ouch

214 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:04:57pm

re: #208 buzzsawmonkey

Sofa, so good.

Sofa King good.

215 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:05:06pm

re: #184 doppelganglander

Is there ANYONE sane, anywhere in leadership in this country?

Update: She says she was speaking metaphorically.

216 hellosnackbar  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:05:10pm

re#89 yma o hyd,
Absolutely spot on the ID/creationist agenda is horrific.
I just hope that eventually common sense will prevail and the garbage preached by the believers will be an historical joke in the future.
BTW the match on saturday was fantastic I won £300 on betting that Brian O’Driscoll would score the first try.

217 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:05:33pm
218 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:05:40pm

re: #155 MandyManners

Telling a toddler/pre-schooler about Hell?! That makes no sense at all.

Not only is it theologically unsound (although beloved by the old-fashioned bible-thumpers!) - in my eyes it amounts to child abuse.

219 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:05:49pm

re: #212 jcm

*Rummages through spares cabinet.*

On the way!

LOL!

220 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:05:54pm

re: #214 CyanSnowHawk

Sofa King good.

These puns are lazy boy.

221 paradox42  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:05:55pm

re: #210 DaddyG

There were some very good reasons the founding fathers forbade the establishment of a national religion- and none of them had to do with lack of faith on their part.

The very people who demand their religious views be a part of public education risk destroying the freedom of religion they enjoy.

I’m not so sure they enjoy freedom of religion, or freedom of any kind.

222 Jim D  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:06:00pm

re: #187 zuckerlilly

Ha. Xenophobic jokes. No wonder everyone loves conservatives.

223 Jack Burton  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:06:36pm

re: #155 MandyManners

Telling a toddler/pre-schooler about Hell?! That makes no sense at all.

There was a lot of bad religious mojo in my family when I was very young. My parents families were from 2 different protestant churches and there was one fight right after another. Neither church would baptize me. My mother had to take me to a Christian Science church to be baptized because no one else would do it. To me, that right there is even more asinine than telling a child about hell.

At the same time my father’s mother was becoming a born-again Christian which made all of this even worse and led to me going to that pre-school. They apparently had no problem at all telling toddlers about hell… everyday. They were completely shocked and confused that my parents had a problem with this.

All of this nonsense is why I never trusted American evangelical protestant churches or self-proclaimed “born-again” Christians, and still don’t for the most part. The best thing I can say about them is that sometimes they cant see the forest for the trees.

224 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:06:54pm

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

Somebody’s going to break into a chorus of “Ottoman New York” soon.

I just knew you’d rug that one in!

225 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:07:05pm
226 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:07:08pm

re: #218 yma o hyd

Not only is it theologically unsound (although beloved by the old-fashioned bible-thumpers!) - in my eyes it amounts to child abuse.

I’m not sure I want to go to a heaven that someone has to scare me into going too. But I should be careful about harsh judgements. My own belief system looks mighty strange to some.

227 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:07:14pm

re: #205 unreconstructed rebel

All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the faith and correcting error, for re-setting the direction of a man’s life and training him in good living. The scriptures are the comprehensive equipment of the man of God and fit him fully for all branches of his work. - 2 Timothy 3:16-17

Nope, not much there about science. But, not sure you should say its no textbook. Think about it in the context Paul places it.

Paul’s context was the Tanach: there was no *new* testament at the time he wrote this to Timothy. Yes, it is a text for right-living, no question there whatsoever. But it is not a textbook: it does not teach science, though you can learn much about science from it. It does not teach sociology, though much sociology can be learned there, etc.

228 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:07:19pm

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

I’d like to see some chiffarobecrats or armoirecrats before I finally hand in my chips…

I’d say that such a government sounds Byzantine, but really it looks more like the Ottoman empire.

229 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:07:22pm

re: #224 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I just knew you’d rug that one in!

oh shit! poor grammar!
my bad

230 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:07:24pm
231 KingKenrod  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:07:33pm

re: #204 jcm

Flying Pig!

Seattle PI’s David Horsey.

Will light at the end of Iraq’s long tunnel shine on Bush?

I bet he worn 10 years of enamel of his teeth while writing that!

Even if Iraq turns into the Happy Land of Eternal Fluffy Bunnies, the left will never admit that it was worth it. Mostly because that would be admitting the US has some kind of moral authority gained from two centuries of protecting freedom and combating tyranny.

232 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:07:51pm

re: #222 Jim D

Ha. Xenophobic jokes. No wonder everyone loves conservatives.

Some of my best friends are xenos.

/

233 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:08:21pm
234 quickjustice  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:08:39pm

re: #223 ArchangelMichael

Christianity = religion of love

Pseudo-Christianity = power play!

235 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:08:44pm

re: #230 MandyManners

Wow.

Looks like Buzz had a cushion.

236 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:08:50pm

re: #230 MandyManners

He had the comma, and beat me by a second.

/hangs head.

237 Shug  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:08:52pm

re: #204 jcm

Flying Pig!

Seattle PI’s David Horsey.

Yet, while most folks on the liberal side of American politics are happy to be rid of the Bush gang and have already concluded that history’s verdict will match Oliver Stone’s scenario, I am thinking history may see it differently. All along, there has been the chance that Iraqis could claw there way out of chaos and quagmire and start building a more stable society. Now it may be happening.

Will light at the end of Iraq’s long tunnel shine on Bush?


I bet he worn 10 years of enamel of his teeth while writing that!

and he was so upset he forgot to run the spellchecker. Unless that’s how he thinks it’s spelled

238 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:09:03pm

re: #187 zuckerlilly

This joke was nominated for best joke of the year.

By whom? Stormfront?

239 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:09:28pm

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

Somebody’s going to break into a chorus of “Ottoman New York” soon.

[shaking fist in impotent rage]

240 Buster Bunny  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:09:35pm

re: #231 KingKenrod

Even if Iraq turns into the Happy Land of Eternal Fluffy Bunnies, the left will never admit that it was worth it. Mostly because that would be admitting the US has some kind of moral authority gained from two centuries of protecting freedom and combating tyranny.

And what if fluffy bunnies are REALLY GREAT?

241 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:09:42pm

re: #222 Jim D

Ha. Xenophobic jokes. No wonder everyone loves conservatives.

* ***
False assertion. Do you know whether that poster Zuckerlilly is a conservative?

242 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:10:21pm
243 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:10:26pm

re: #20 doppelganglander

Good point. Mainly, though, fundamentalists can’t stand anything that might possibly conflict with a literal reading of the Bible. I’ve noticed that the literalists are very literal about everything else, too. They don’t catch sarcasm or subtlety, and they basically have no sense of humor because their minds can’t process anything with two meanings.

I think you just diagnosed them with autism.

/ It’s like a bonus episode of House!

244 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:10:32pm

re: #184 doppelganglander

Is there ANYONE sane, anywhere in leadership in this country?

Would anyone sane want to lead this country?

245 quickjustice  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:10:40pm

re: #205 unreconstructed rebel

Religion is about moral issues and standards. That’s different from science, although morality can inform science, and vice versa.

246 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:10:54pm

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

I must go and impart knowledge to youth.

Carry on.

What size stick do you use to do that?

247 Salamantis  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:11:07pm

Chronicle live-blog update:

The five amendments are now being voted upon. The first four are minor changes, but the last is of major importance since what Cargill got passed is very unscientific. The first one failed 6-8 with Agosto voting with the right wing YEC Republicans. The second one failed 7-7. Mavis Knight is having trouble getting the amendments since she is in Dallas. She needs to have them faxed to her. Cargill wants the standards to suggest humility in what scientists know. She says her wording is better and suggests humility better. The third one failed 7-7. Now Terri Leo is moving an amendment to change “sources of heat” to “thermal energy sources” that passed without objection. The fourth amendment passed without objection

Now we come to standard 8A, which is grossly unscientific since it suggests that there is fossil evidence against universal common descent. This is doubly wrong, since fossils do not provide evidence for or against common descent and there is no other evidence against common descent. The amendment failed 6-8, with Agosto voting NO with the seven YEC religious right Republicans.

Barbara Cargill now has some more nasty amendments to ESS. She will need a majority vote to get these passed. Will Agosto give the Republicans the vote they need to futher damage ESS? I can’t get a copy of these amendments right now. However, the first one she wants is to strike the current standard for the Big Bang and remove the 14 billion year old age from it. She is promoting a Young Earth Creationist view, of course. Many times in the past the SBOE has changed standards that mention millions and billions of years to simple “a long time ago.” She wants to substitute a standard from Astronomy that simply says, “research and describe current theories of the formation [Astronomy uses the word “evolution”] of the universe, including estimates for the age of the universe.”

Sal: Texas is soooo getting self-screwed!

248 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:11:20pm

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

I must go and impart knowledge to youth.

Translation: He’ll be haranguing kids to “get the hell off my lawn”.

249 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:11:51pm

re: #240 Buster Bunny

And what if fluffy bunnies are REALLY GREAT?

Fluffy Bunnies you say?

250 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:12:02pm

re: #245 quickjustice

Religion is about moral issues and standards. That’s different from science, although morality can inform science, and vice versa.

We’re pulling on the same end of the rope.

251 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:12:16pm
252 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:12:34pm

“Organizing for America” ads on CNN and MSNBC:

Obama’s “troops” going door to door to get you to support his 4 Trillion dollar plan for getting America’s economy to “Move On”.

253 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:12:38pm

re: #216 hellosnackbar

re#89 yma o hyd,
Absolutely spot on the ID/creationist agenda is horrific.
I just hope that eventually common sense will prevail and the garbage preached by the believers will be an historical joke in the future.
BTW the match on saturday was fantastic I won £300 on betting that Brian O’Driscoll would score the first try.

Congrats on winning that bet - otherwise, the least said about that and the preceding games the better!
From a Welsh point of view, naturally …

254 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:12:58pm
255 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:13:01pm

re: #251 buzzsawmonkey

Private schools do not allow corporal punishment, except by the sergeant at arms.

As a general proposition, that is.

256 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:13:11pm

Posted this earlier on the linkviewer
dallasnews.com

Split vote upholds Texas education board ruling to ax evolution ‘strengths and weaknesses’ rule

257 jcm  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:13:25pm

re: #223 ArchangelMichael

There was a lot of bad religious mojo in my family when I was very young. My parents families were from 2 different protestant churches and there was one fight right after another. Neither church would baptize me. My mother had to take me to a Christian Science church to be baptized because no one else would do it. To me, that right there is even more asinine than telling a child about hell.

At the same time my father’s mother was becoming a born-again Christian which made all of this even worse and led to me going to that pre-school. They apparently had no problem at all telling toddlers about hell… everyday. They were completely shocked and confused that my parents had a problem with this.

All of this nonsense is why I never trusted American evangelical protestant churches or self-proclaimed “born-again” Christians, and still don’t for the most part. The best thing I can say about them is that sometimes they cant see the forest for the trees.

Christians are our own worst enemy.

The religious misconceptions are many. What you describe is too common, and damaging. The attempt to external apply a result. The result is xyz behavior and using cocersion of any type to attempt outward conformity to the expected behavior.

When seen and used properly, scripture has an inward result. That inward spiritual insight results in scriptural behaviors be exhibited by the inward realizations.

The spirit gives life but the letter kills. Christianity is currently focused on killing by the letter but missing the spiritual life.

258 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:13:40pm
259 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:13:47pm

Once more, this time put the link in before hitting “post this comment”.

re: #240 Buster Bunny

And what if fluffy bunnies are REALLY GREAT?


Fluffy Bunnies you say?

PIMF

260 paradox42  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:14:09pm

re: #251 buzzsawmonkey

Private schools do not allow corporal punishment, except by the sergeant at arms.

That is a rank pun, even by LGF standards.

261 Ben Hur  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:14:15pm

re: #253 yma o hyd


Jones the Blogger!

262 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:14:19pm

re: #254 buzzsawmonkey

nailing Jello to the wall.

I KNEW IT! THE JEWS KILLED JELLO!

/

263 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:14:20pm
264 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:14:38pm

re: #244 Kosh’s Shadow

Would anyone sane want to lead this country?

* * *
Because America is worth it, as John McCain said when he asked people to help him fight for America, not against other Americans.

WE have to help good leaders in their difficult work.

265 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:14:39pm

re: #256 NonNativeTexan

Posted this earlier on the linkviewer
[Link: www.dallasnews.com…]

Split vote upholds Texas education board ruling to ax evolution ‘strengths and weaknesses’ rule

Wonderful! And I bet that letter had a LOT to do with this great outcome!

266 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:14:51pm
267 jcm  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:15:13pm

re: #251 buzzsawmonkey

Private schools do not allow corporal punishment, except by the sergeant at arms.

But there is a major controversy over corporal punishment.

268 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:15:19pm

re: #260 paradox42

That is a rank pun, even by LGF standards.

That commands some major attention.

269 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:16:00pm

re: #251 buzzsawmonkey

Private schools do not allow corporal punishment, except by the sergeant at arms.

There is a colonel of truth there.

270 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:16:05pm

re: #260 paradox42

That is a rank pun, even by LGF standards.

Indeed, it was a Major faux pas by buzz. I’m no Specialist in etiquette, but it seemed MOS inappropriate, if you ask me.

271 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:16:12pm

re: #267 jcm

But there is a major controversy over corporal punishment.


Hm… you outmaneuvered me trooper.

272 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:16:35pm

From the Chron live-blog’s most-recent:

Cargill now has another amendment to ESS. I still do not have a copy of her amendments. She is keeping them hidden from the public, and she and Leo had the gall to complain that they only just now got the ESS amendments of the ESS panel that Craig presented. Her motion is to add “thought to have occurred” to 6A about the formation of the solar system. This absurd amendment passed 10-4.

“Thought” most certainly did NOT occur.

273 Salamantis  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:16:39pm

Even More from Texas:

Cargill’s amendment to substitute an entire standard with a very poor one that is equivocal about the age of the universe passed 11-3, with only Knight, Miller, and Nunez voting No.

Cargill now has another amendment to ESS. I still do not have a copy of her amendments. She is keeping them hidden from the public, and she and Leo had the gall to complain that they only just now got the ESS amendments of the ESS panel that Craig presented. Her motion is to add “thought to have occurred” to 6A about the formation of the solar system. This absurd amendment passed 10-4.

274 Jack Burton  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:17:04pm

re: #258 MandyManners

I *wish* I hadn’t heard of it either, but I lived it. I was an quasi-deist/agnostic by the time I was 8 years old after all of that.

275 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:17:49pm
276 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:17:58pm

re: #270 Occasional Reader

Indeed, it was a Major faux pas by buzz. I’m no Specialist in etiquette, but it seemed MOS inappropriate, if you ask me.

In General, I agree with you.

277 jcm  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:18:29pm

re: #276 LGoPs

In General, I agree with you.

Please keep your disagreements private.

278 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:18:56pm

re: #277 jcm

Please keep your disagreements private.

That was an admiral pun……..

279 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:19:05pm

re: #277 jcm

Please keep your disagreements private.

..they are getting rank

280 jcm  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:19:09pm

re: #275 MandyManners

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com…]

If I were a cat I’d be pissed about being in the dog house too!

281 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:19:19pm
282 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:19:28pm

re: #277 jcm

Please keep your disagreements private.

You can take it to the Commod[e]-ore perhaps outside.

283 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:19:31pm

These puns are getting militant.

284 Jack Burton  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:19:35pm

re: #276 LGoPs

In General, I agree with you.

There is a colonel of truth in what he said.

285 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:19:37pm
286 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:19:58pm

re: #226 DaddyG

I’m not sure I want to go to a heaven that someone has to scare me into going too. But I should be careful about harsh judgements. My own belief system looks mighty strange to some.

I apologise if my post came over as disrespectful to other belief systems.
Thing is - I’ve been studying for a few years he writings of an outstanding NT scholar who also happens to be a bishop of the Anglican Church (Durham). Its been as if he’s taken all the patently wrong things I’d been taught in Sunday School, taken them apart, dusted them down, and put them together the right way round.
It was and still is an amazing journey of faith.
Thats where my remark about Hell is coming from.

287 Salamantis  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:20:02pm

This Texas board meeting just keeps getting worse and worse…I can see Texas science education standards devolving before my eyes…

288 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:20:13pm

re: #281 buzzsawmonkey

Or at least captain confidence.

That’s insubalternate of you…….

289 jcm  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:20:14pm

re: #278 LGoPs

That was an admiral pun……..

I field & marshall my best for LGF.

290 zuckerlilly  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:20:35pm

re: #238 Occasional Reader

Vollkoffer

291 Baboon Cheeks  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:20:51pm

re: #247 Salamantis

Straight from the incomprehending and ignorant YEC brain into your childs classroom….just like that. Texas is making itself a laughing stock tonight, for sure.

292 Shug  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:20:54pm

re: #287 Salamantis

This Texas board meeting just keeps getting worse and worse…I can see Texas science education standards devolving before my eyes…

I call it, leave every child behind

293 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:21:14pm

re: #276 LGoPs

In General, I agree with you.

re: #281 buzzsawmonkey

Or at least captain confidence.

Don’t be Petty.

294 paradox42  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:21:16pm

re: #276 LGoPs

In General, I agree with you.

I’ll tank you very much to stop the military puns.

295 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:21:18pm

re: #257 jcm

Christians are our own worst enemy.

The religious misconceptions are many. What you describe is too common, and damaging. The attempt to external apply a result. The result is xyz behavior and using cocersion of any type to attempt outward conformity to the expected behavior.

When seen and used properly, scripture has an inward result. That inward spiritual insight results in scriptural behaviors be exhibited by the inward realizations.

The spirit gives life but the letter kills. Christianity is currently focused on killing by the letter but missing the spiritual life.

* * *
False assertion. And cheap shot.
I don’t want you in my foxhole.
Who exactly is behind defending people tyrannized all over the globe, if not Westerners many of whom are Christian?

296 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:21:20pm

re: #285 MandyManners

I guess they didn’t think about what Christ said about harming little kids and keeping them from Him.

Dingdingdingding! I have reviewed a lot of research on parental influence and the best way to get kids to adopt your values.

#1 by a long shot is LOVE THEM.

297 BlueCanuck  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:21:41pm

re: #289 jcm

But some times it can be a major pain..

298 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:22:22pm

re: #291 Jimmah

Straight from the incomprehending and ignorant YEC brain into your childs classroom….just like that. Texas is making itself a laughing stock tonight, for sure.

No. Texas is proving itself a dangerous place to raise children. I mean, who the hell would want to move there?

299 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:22:26pm

re: #286 yma o hyd
I was agreeing with your premise. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

300 BlueCanuck  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:22:31pm

re: #294 paradox42

If you don’t like it you can ship out. ;)

301 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:22:45pm

re: #293 Occasional Reader

Don’t be Petty.

You can try to ignore a WAVE, but you can’t Commander to be silent.

302 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:23:14pm

re: #233 MandyManners

I don’t know of any evangelical Christian who teaches that kids can go to Hell.

Good, I’m glad to hear it!
I’d not let any kid of mine be frightened by some religious teachings!

303 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:23:34pm

re: #298 unreconstructed rebel

No. Texas is proving itself a dangerous place to raise children. I mean, who the hell would want to move there?

Half of Mexico.

304 paradox42  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:23:51pm

re: #300 BlueCanuck

If you don’t like it you can ship out. ;)

No thanks, I’m a fighter and I’m determined to keep this thread from bombing.

305 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:23:53pm

re: #301 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

306 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:23:59pm

re: #301 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You can try to ignore a WAVE, but you can’t Commander to be silent.

I Warrant you’re correct.

307 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:24:04pm

re: #301 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You can try to ignore a WAVE, but you can’t Commander to be silent.

especially not if she’s your Mate……..

308 Buster Bunny  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:24:18pm

re: #295 alegrias

* * *
False assertion. And cheap shot.
I don’t want you in my foxhole.
Who exactly is behind defending people tyrannized all over the globe, if not Westerners many of whom are Christian?

Nutcases are their own worst enemy. Whether it is Creationists, Nirthers, or Islamists. They drag their own communities down to a base level and then segment them to weaken their effectiveness.

This is war. Make no mistake it may not come with guns, armaments or firepower. But its plugging its way into your work, life, and community RIGHT NOW.

Get up and take the stance now while its still possible.

309 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:24:28pm

re: #302 yma o hyd

Good, I’m glad to hear it!
I’d not let any kid of mine be frightened by some religious teachings!

Yes - my kids should be afraid of ME!

310 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:24:35pm

re: #287 Salamantis

This Texas board meeting just keeps getting worse and worse…I can see Texas science education standards devolving before my eyes…

Dammit dammit dammit. TX was supposed to be my fallback for when California started taking all of my money. Now where do I go?

I need good schools for my Son until about 2018 and I’d prefer a state government with its head out in the open and not doing a self-colonoscopy.

311 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:25:05pm
312 Russkilitlover  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:25:13pm

OT - I don’t know how this jerkoff can say this stuff with a straight face and that NO ONE calls him out on the hypocrisy.

Another new initiative includes measures to curb tax evasion. “We will launch a new initiative to address prudential supervision, tax havens and money laundering issues in weakly regulated jurisdictions,” the secretary said.


More Geithner Gobbledygook

313 Salamantis  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:25:24pm

Chronicle live-blog update:

I now have a copy of the amendments. The third one is not bad: it substitutes different language for the radiometric dating standard 7B that simply re-arranges the words in a not-harmful way. It passed 8-6.

Cargill’s fourth and last ESS amendment adds the words “given the complexity of living systems” to the conclusion of the origin of life standard 13F. This passed 9-5 with Agosto and one other voting with the Republicans. I guess I should be grateful that Cargill didn’t just delete the entire origin of life standard.

314 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:25:34pm

re: #307 LGoPs

especially not if she’s your Mate……..

(must… resist… “Seaman” pun…)

315 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:26:11pm

re: #314 Occasional Reader

(must… resist… “Seaman” pun…)

Too late- already leaked a little there.

316 Salamantis  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:26:21pm

re: #311 MandyManners

Is it really gonna’ pass?

A lot of it already has, Mandy.

317 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:26:25pm
318 BlueCanuck  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:26:52pm

re: #314 Occasional Reader

CLEAN UP ON AISLE 314!

319 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:27:07pm

Gotta go finish the report I promised my boss by end of day. I’m having way to much fun in Lizardom.

Later Lizards!

320 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:27:22pm

re: #306 Occasional Reader

I Warrant you’re correct.

The worst sinner is a landlord who leftenants without heat in the winter.

321 BlueCanuck  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:27:32pm

re: #318 BlueCanuck

CLEAN UP ON AISLE 314!

Sorry, forgot my :D or / tags.

322 Russkilitlover  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:27:41pm

re: #287 Salamantis

This Texas board meeting just keeps getting worse and worse…I can see Texas science education standards devolving before my eyes…

Is the teachers’ union so impotent? For all of its many, many, many, faults, I can’t see California teachers and their unions putting up with any of this for 2 seconds.

323 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:27:54pm

re: #307 LGoPs

especially not if she’s your Mate……..

You mean … your bo’sun buddy?

324 BlueCanuck  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:28:30pm

re: #320 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Spent some time with us or the brits did you? Well done, the spelling is correct for the pronunciation.

325 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:28:37pm

re: #284 ArchangelMichael

There is a colonel of truth in what he said.

Does that truth come with 11 herbs and spices?

326 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:28:38pm

re: #273 Salamantis

Even More from Texas:

Cargill’s amendment to substitute an entire standard with a very poor one that is equivocal about the age of the universe passed 11-3, with only Knight, Miller, and Nunez voting No.

sheesh. ted koppel quotes genesis on ABC nightline after the COBE satellite narrows and substantiates the big bang. even ted koppel gets it - and he’s not even as smart as his own hair! (i’m afraid of ted koppel’s hair)

327 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:28:53pm

re: #261 Ben Hur

Jones the Blogger!

There are so many Joneses in Wales … some blog, some even play rugby.

(We have our own way of dealing with that little inconvenience …

328 Salamantis  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:28:54pm

Chronicle live-blog update:

Gail Lowe has an amendment to Environmental Systems that passed without objection. I missed its wording but it was probably not bad. Mavis Knight got an amendment passed without objection that asked students to “analyze and evaluate different views on the existence of global warming.”

329 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:29:33pm

re: #305 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

not u agan!

330 jcm  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:29:49pm

re: #295 alegrias

* * *
False assertion. And cheap shot.
I don’t want you in my foxhole.
Who exactly is behind defending people tyrannized all over the globe, if not Westerners many of whom are Christian?

Don’t mean to offend. You are correct Christianity has and does much good.

I’m speaking fairly narrowly to some of the problems within Christianity. One is what was mentioned above in the thread.

The tendency of may evangelicals and fundamentalist to a fire insurance type of gospel. Repent or burn in hell. Repentance isn’t to avoid hell. Just look at the hatred aimed at Charles over the ID issue form Christians.

It’s the difference asectic gospel where Christian living results from exercise of our own capacity, and a Christian living that results from spiritual growth.

331 Buster Bunny  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:30:09pm

re: #325 Honorary Yooper

Does that truth come with 11 herbs and spices?

Dont forget truth that is Extra Spicy.

332 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:30:21pm

re: #314 Occasional Reader

(must… resist… “Seaman” pun…)

That was half-cocked.

333 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:30:34pm

Who the hell runs for School Board anyway?

Where do they come from?

Who votes for them?

C’mon, People. They’re not the gawddam dog-catcher.

/If this is representative government ……

334 HoosierHoops  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:30:48pm

Good Afternoon Lizards! Catching up here.
I am deeply disturbed by the Cartoon Charles posted from the Times.
It is truly disgusting…I guess the truth doesn’t matter to the Times.
/I am sitting in my cube blasting out 3 doors down on headphones…
I hope everyone is doing fine…

335 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:31:14pm

re: #321 BlueCanuck

Sorry, forgot my :D or / tags.

Do penance with a mop.

336 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:31:44pm

re: #314 Occasional Reader

(must… resist… “Seaman” pun…)

The coxswain at twighlight………

337 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:31:47pm

re: #287 Salamantis

This Texas board meeting just keeps getting worse and worse…I can see Texas science education standards devolving before my eyes…

How ironic would it be if parents in Texas began homeschooling thier kids so that they get an education in science…

338 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:32:08pm

re: #336 LGoPs

The coxswain at twighlight………

twilight…….PIMF

339 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:32:09pm

re: #337 Leonidas Hoplite

How ironic would it be if parents in Texas began homeschooling thier kids so that they get an education in science…

HA!

340 Baboon Cheeks  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:32:21pm

This is too depressing. I’m off to get smashed. See y’all later.

341 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:32:27pm

re: #324 BlueCanuck

Spent some time with us or the brits did you? Well done, the spelling is correct for the pronunciation.

heh … British war movies … lots of ‘em

342 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:32:57pm
343 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:32:57pm

re: #335 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Do penance with a mop.

Does he have to sing “I am the very model of a modern BlueCanuck”?

344 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:32:58pm

re: #340 Jimmah

This is too depressing. I’m off to get smashed. See y’all later.

Me too!

345 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:33:03pm

re: #336 LGoPs

The coxswain at twighlight………

as long as you stay off the poop deck…

346 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:33:12pm

re: #299 DaddyG

I was agreeing with your premise. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

{DaddyG}

Its sometimes difficult to fire on all neurons simultaneously!

:-)))

347 Ben Hur  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:33:46pm

‘Strike obliterates Iranian ship at sea’

Following unconfirmed reports that the US or Israel attacked a convoy of trucks carrying weapons headed for the Gaza Strip in Sudan, a new report by Sudanese sources cited an additional strike on a ship possibly making its way to Sudan from Iran.

“There were indeed two strikes in Sudan, in January and February,” Sudan’s deputy transportation minister told Channel 10 on Thursday evening. “I cannot confirm that Israel or the US were behind the attack, but I know that the US controls the airspace there,” he said.

“The second strike was against a ship at sea and it was completely destroyed,” another Sudanese official said.

348 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:34:03pm

re: #343 CyanSnowHawk

Does he have to sing “I am the very model of a modern BlueCanuck”?

*grin*
I’d sure love to see him in a pinafore!

349 Dave the.....  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:34:14pm

On an entirely differnt note (and quite OT), but for some interesting “as it is happening” news……I’m listening to flood coverage out of Fargo. So far the dikes are holding (and I don’t mean the NDSU women’s studies dept).

ustream.tv

350 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:34:22pm

Texas, where reason went to die.

Seriously, how stupid do we have to make this country?

Religious folks, if you want your religion, fine, I’m all for it, even if you want to wave snakes and sacrifice goats.

But, keep your dogmatic fables out of the public schools, and stop bastardizing science with your silly, unprovable, unsound and unwise drivel!

You want to teach Bobby Sue and Billy Jim Bob that the Ark was real and that the Flintstones was an accurate portrayal of history? Great, do it in your Sunday School. But you forcing your dogma on us is akin to making it law to have an Imam come to your Sunday School and teaching the kids that Islam is the true religion. (what’s that? You don’t want someone forcing your dogma on you? ho ho ho)

351 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:34:43pm

re: #347 Ben Hur

‘Strike obliterates Iranian ship at sea’

Things are going boom in the night?

352 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:35:38pm
353 Shug  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:36:23pm

If the Texas Board of Education gets much worse, Illegal Aliens will be crossing back into Mexico to get a decent public school education

354 Buster Bunny  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:37:22pm

re: #351 Nevergiveup

Things are going boom in the night?

My guess is that radioactive sand ship just went to the ocean floor.

355 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:39:14pm

re: #354 Buster Bunny

My guess is that radioactive sand ship just went to the ocean floor.

Two of em!

356 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:39:29pm
357 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:39:55pm
358 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:40:37pm

re: #356 MandyManners

You left out the bit that CAIR will come to the public schools to make sure that the Koran’s story is told in science class.

Honestly, fundamentalists would answer you by saying, Oh that would never happen here.

359 pink freud  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:41:11pm

re: #334 HoosierHoops

Hiya Hoops,

This is as good a time as any to link to your science/astronomy friend’s blog again.

I’ve reformatted and lost the link.

360 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:41:27pm

re: #356 MandyManners

You left out the bit that CAIR will come to the public schools to make sure that the Koran’s story is told in science class.

and the part where the evangelicals are mysteriously not flocking here to threaten lives…

361 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:41:57pm

re: #347 Ben Hur

‘Strike obliterates Iranian ship at sea’

Look at the picture - now that the air strike is out in the FMFM, the trucks didn’t carry weapons, oh no! The carried ‘people from Darfur’!
Never mind that Darfur is at the opposite end of Sudan - its time for all good muslims to indulge in a bit of taqqiya.

362 BlueCanuck  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:42:23pm

re: #348 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
I’d sure love to see him in a pinafore!

NEVER!

/I burned the negatives.

363 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:42:32pm
364 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:42:33pm

re: #357 goddessoftheclassroom

The reason why kittehs ultimately win all arguments…

“THE WHOLE WORLD’S WATCHING! THE WHOLE WORLD’S WATCHING!”

365 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:42:47pm

re: #357 goddessoftheclassroom

The reason why kittehs ultimately win all arguments…

*grin* … Mine did that more than once

And if you think CATS are wierd!

366 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:43:04pm
367 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:43:33pm
368 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:43:55pm

#185 beat me to it.

I guess these 50 scientists stand alongside Charles as HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATORS!

369 Eowyn2  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:44:08pm

SSN697
If you’re still lurking, send me an email.
which metropolis of MT are you in.

there are now three of us.

370 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:44:35pm
371 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:44:55pm

re: #350 Egregious Philbin

You want to teach Bobby Sue and Billy Jim Bob

You’d be more persuasive without the implicit regional/class snobbery. Just sayin’.

372 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:44:57pm

re: #362 BlueCanuck

NEVER!

/I burned the negatives.

You knew if you didn’t, you’d Rudy day when they came out.

373 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:45:19pm

re: #345 Aceofwhat?

as long as you stay off the poop deck…

That’s a crappy comment.

374 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:45:44pm
375 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:45:50pm

re: #370 MandyManners

Aw, shit. Now I have this image of dirty hippies and Cindy Sheehan in my mind. Thanks a lot, buddy.

If you’re trying to get me to make it up to you by linking to “hunkfiremen.com” or whatever, you can forget it.

376 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:46:02pm

re: #371 Occasional Reader

You’d be more persuasive without the implicit regional/class snobbery. Just sayin’.

OK, Robert Susan and William James Robert then. :-P

377 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:46:08pm

#390 is rapidly approaching
I smell financial loss

378 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:46:44pm

re: #358 Wishing

Honestly, fundamentalists would answer you by saying, Oh that would never happen here.

It can’t happen here……..

(Who Are the Brain Police?)


Long live Frank Zappa

379 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:47:00pm

re: #374 MandyManners

Amish or a bunch of direction-challenged Muslim dogs.

That’s a unique way to encompass the concept.

380 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:47:25pm
381 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:48:03pm

Layoffs At New York Times (NYT)
Nicholas Carlson%P%Mar. 26, 2009, 12:50 PM%P%42
Print
Tags: Media, New York Times, Newspapers, Big Media

NYT Mar 26 2009, 04:19 PM EDT
4.98 Change % Change
+0.41 +8.97%
The latest: Henry Blodget’s analysis: NYT finally begins to bow to reality.
Earlier: Along with cutting newsroom salaries 5%, the New York Times (NYT) cut 100 jobs on the business side of the company today. Here’s the memo:

businessinsider.com

TSk TSk

382 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:48:06pm

re: #371 Occasional Reader

You’d be more persuasive without the implicit regional/class snobbery. Just sayin’.

OK, Robert Susan, and William James Robert…

383 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:48:12pm
384 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:48:12pm

re: #380 MandyManners

Moi?

Eye candy!

385 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:49:10pm

re: #187 zuckerlilly

This joke was nominated for best joke of the year. [by racists]

Thank you! Thank you, all the dingers-up (hellosnackbar, pre-Boomer Marine brat, SasquatchOnSteroids, Wishing). Thanks all five of you for living up to the LGF commenter stereotype, and making it that much harder for other sites to take us seriously.

And yes, I did click that report button on #187.

386 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:49:11pm
387 zuckerlilly  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:49:11pm
388 Buster Bunny  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:49:35pm

What worries me while we listen to these nut fringe, all the parts of our society that WORK and produce income and feed people and clothe people slow down to a crawl while we indulge their fantasies.

389 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:50:06pm

re: #365 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin* … Mine did that more than once

And if you think CATS are wierd!

I do NOT think cats are weird. Eccentric, quirky, unique, perhaps, but NOT weird!

(That picture really made me laugh out loud!)

390 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:50:10pm

re: #386 MandyManners

He’s hawt.

Points off, though, for the patent leather hat.
=(

391 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:50:27pm
392 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:50:34pm

re: #383 MandyManners

What’s your point?

Your reply has no bearing on the subject.
You’re merely needling me.

393 SummerSong  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:51:00pm

re: #49 DaddyG

“Fortunately one of the kids in attendance promptly chimed in and said they wanted to go there too if the rest of hells inhabitants were as good as my kids were”.

There are some extraordinary people in this world. I hope you complimented the parents of this child (and the child).

Warms the heart.

394 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:51:03pm

re: #391 MandyManners

How about these eyes?

Eyes? …oh

395 Shug  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:51:06pm

re: #356 MandyManners

You left out the bit that CAIR will come to the public schools to make sure that the Koran’s story is told in science class.


Jesus
Mohammed

Teach both.
Let the kids decide

/ creationist brains exploding….tiny little pops

396 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:51:12pm

re: #367 MandyManners

I’m dense but, what?

no, i’m clumsy. it was an inept way of saying that what these texan fools are trying to do still isn’t quite the scary length to which CAIR will go - i was agreeing with you in a clearly inarticulate manner.

397 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:51:29pm

BEEFCAKE thread!

398 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:51:32pm
399 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:51:39pm

re: #391 MandyManners

How about these eyes?

George Clooney wannabe …

400 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:51:43pm

re: #386 MandyManners

He’s hawt.

That’s the BEST pic posted since I’ve been online this afternoon!

401 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:52:04pm

re: #215 Occasional Reader

Update: She says she was speaking metaphorically.

Maybe so, but it was a poor choice of words.

402 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:52:09pm

re: #391 MandyManners

How about these eyes?

That’s the second best…

403 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:52:24pm

re: #398 MandyManners

What about his axe?

This latest turn in the thread ain’t really doing it for me!

404 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:52:31pm
405 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:52:37pm

re: #398 MandyManners

What about his axe?

And the D clip…oo la la!

406 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:52:46pm

BC, it’s up to you now.
390 is dead and gone, and no sign of a troll!

407 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:53:17pm
408 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:53:35pm
409 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:53:52pm

re: #408 MandyManners

Yeah. He has eyes.

Almost missed those!

410 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:54:09pm
411 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:54:29pm
412 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:54:55pm
413 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:55:01pm

re: #407 MandyManners

I won’t say anything about your pole.

Haven’t got a pole handy, but how about a tree?

414 BlueCanuck  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:55:32pm

re: #378 Egregious Philbin

It can’t happen here……..

(Who Are the Brain Police?)

Long live Frank Zappa

No the Dream Police.

415 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:55:57pm
416 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:56:16pm

re: #412 MandyManners

My jaw was was dropped too much to smile…

/Would you please get me a towel so that I can mop up mu drool?

417 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:56:20pm

re: #400 goddessoftheclassroom

That’s the BEST pic posted since I’ve been online this afternoon!

*pulling self up*
*raising nose*
I will reserve my horrified approbation for a private e-mail!

418 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:56:23pm

re: #382 Egregious Philbin

OK, Robert Susan, and William James Robert…

That’s better.

But while we’re on “redneck names”… what the hell:

Bobby Joe and Jim Bob are out hunting in the woods one day. At one point, Bobby Joe stops to take a leak by a bush; suddenly, a rattlesnake pops out, and bites him right on the end of his pecker.

Rolling on the ground in anguish, he shouts, “run to town, Jim Bob, and get the doctor!” Jim Bob takes off running; the town is four miles away. He bursts into the doctor’s office… “where’s Doc?! Bobby Joe got bit by a rattlesnake!” The nurse tells him, “Doc is over at the Evans house, making a house call.” Jim Bob runs another mile to the Evans house, and bursts in. “Doc, Doc, ya gotta help me, Bobby Joe done got bit by a rattlesnake out in the woods!” The doctor says, “now, listen, Jim Bob, Mrs. Evans has gone into labor. I can’t leave now. But here’s what you do; take a knife, make a small incision about two inches from the wound, between the wound and the heart, and suck the venom out.”

Jim Bob: “… two inches from wound… suck the venom out. Thanks, Doc!” And he takes off running back to the woods. Four, five miles later…

… he comes up on Bobby Joe, who’s still rolling on the ground in agony. “What’d the doctor say, Jim Bob?! What’d the doctor say?!”

“The doctor said… that you gonna DIE, boy.”

419 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:56:31pm
420 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:57:00pm

re: #411 MandyManners

I’d let him eat crackers in my bed.

Cripes - thats exceedingly generous!
I once knew someoen who dreamt of covering the male in her life in chocolate and licking it off … well. less crumbs, I suppose …

421 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:57:06pm
422 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:58:11pm

re: #407 MandyManners

I won’t say anything about your pole.

AUGGHH!
This is death by slow degree!

423 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:58:19pm
424 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:58:20pm

re: #378 Egregious Philbin

It can’t happen here……..

(Who Are the Brain Police?)

Long live Frank Zappa

I had a weird dream a while ago, and then was listening to Freak Out!
Who are the Brain Police gave me the idea to turn the dream into a story.
So far, Fantasy and Science Fiction rejected it (with a note that the assistant editor found it didn’t really grab his interest), but I’ll try elsewhere.

425 snowcrash  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:58:26pm

The only person who I have seen on TV more than Obama in the past 2 days is the British parliament member Daniel Hannan. lol

426 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:59:18pm
427 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:59:28pm

re: #419 MandyManners

I’m sure there are some hot female fire-fighters out there.

There may be, but we never get tired of looking at nurses.

428 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:00:08pm

Investigators Get Government Approval for Fake Medical Product
The Government Accountability Office was able to register with the Health and Human Services Department a fictitious institutional review board and panel of doctors and scientists that was led by a dog named Trooper.

foxnews.com

And who wants the Government to run the health care system?

429 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:00:17pm

re: #425 snowcrash

British parliament member Daniel Hannan

Wasn’t she in Splash and Blade Runner?

/

430 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:01:48pm

re: #419 MandyManners

I’m sure there are some hot female fire-fighters out there.

Probbly depends on how close to the fire they are……..
/

431 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:01:56pm
432 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:03:06pm

Had to check back in for a moment to share this excellent example of how the internet has changed politics.

Let’s hope we hear more from the likes of Daniel Hannan. Hurray for the good guys!

433 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:03:10pm

re: #428 Nevergiveup

Investigators Get Government Approval for Fake Medical Product
The Government Accountability Office was able to register with the Health and Human Services Department a fictitious institutional review board and panel of doctors and scientists that was led by a dog named Trooper.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

And who wants the Government to run the health care system?

The dog will save money - no need for antibiotics, creams, etc., just lick the wound.
Of course, when our dogs do that, they get the sore or itch infected and it is off to the vet.

Just think - under 0care, our pets will have better care than we will.

434 Colonel Panik  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:03:53pm
435 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:05:30pm

re: #434 Colonel Panik

Zogby: Obama approval dips below 50%

Zogby? Not Rasmussen, Zogby?

Oh, my!

436 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:05:33pm

re: #425 snowcrash

The only person who I have seen on TV more than Obama in the past 2 days is the British parliament member Daniel Hannan. lol

Slight correction - he’s not a member of the British Parliament, he’s a member of the European Parliament - repreenting Great Britain and the Tory Party.

437 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:05:45pm
438 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:06:43pm

And there is more on the weapons smuggling through Sudan:
An Iranian ship carrying weapons baby milk was obliterated.

439 Mirage  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:07:10pm

re: #425 snowcrash

The only person who I have seen on TV more than Obama in the past 2 days is the British parliament member Daniel Hannan. lol

Another reason I don’t watch very much TV … there’s just too much rubbish on.

440 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:07:21pm

No meltdowns while I was gone?

Foxnews.com has a hilarious picture on its front page right now. They’re calling Obama’s methods “Stuart Smalley diplomacy.”

441 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:07:36pm

re: #435 unreconstructed rebel

Zogby? Not Rasmussen, Zogby?

Oh, my!

Internet poll…so use caution when assessing

442 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:08:49pm

re: #433 Kosh’s Shadow

The dog will save money - no need for antibiotics, creams, etc., just lick the wound.
Of course, when our dogs do that, they get the sore or itch infected and it is off to the vet.

Just think - under 0care, our pets will have better care than we will.

Too true!

Thats precisely the way things are here in the UK, after 60 years of National Health Service.

443 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:09:02pm

re: #439 Mirage

Another reason I don’t watch very much TV … there’s just too much rubbish on.

* * *
Yeah, well you missed a great moment in TV/Youtube history!

Daniel Hannan telling his leaders they’ve run out of the country’s money was great.

Speaking truth to power as it were.

444 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:09:07pm

re: #434 Colonel Panik

Zogby: Obama approval dips below 50%

What’s Zogby’s approval rating?

445 opnion  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:09:18pm

A clip of Andrew Cuomo talking about AIG was just on FNC.
It seemed like a scene from the Godfather. I’m tellin ya the guy sounded like a gamgster.

446 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:09:46pm

Meanwhile, it is “same old, same old” at the UN:
UN approves religious criticism proposal

The UN’s human-rights body approved a proposal by Muslims nations Thursday urging passage of laws around the world to protect religion from criticism.

The proposal put forward by Pakistan on behalf of Islamic countries - with the backing of Belarus and Venezuela - had drawn strong criticism from free-speech campaigners and liberal democracies.

A simple majority of 23 members of the 47-nation Human Rights Council voted in favor of the resolution. Eleven nations, mostly Western, opposed the resolution, and 13 countries abstained.

Opponents of the resolution included Canada, all European Union countries, Switzerland, Ukraine and Chile.

India, which normally votes along with the council’s majority of developing nations, abstained in protest at the fact that Islam was the only religion specifically named as deserving protection.

India’s Ambassador Gopinathan Achamkulangare said the resolution “inappropriately” linked religious criticism to racism.

447 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:10:08pm

re: #445 opnion

A clip of Andrew Cuomo talking about AIG was just on FNC.
It seemed like a scene from the Godfather. I’m tellin ya the guy sounded like a gamgster.

is that similar to a Gamecock?

448 alegrias  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:10:33pm

re: #445 opnion

A clip of Andrew Cuomo talking about AIG was just on FNC.
It seemed like a scene from the Godfather. I’m tellin ya the guy sounded like a gamgster.

* * * *
And Cuomo looked like the young handsome Al Pacino!
Making AIG employees who took bonuses offers they can’t refuse!

449 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:10:47pm

re: #437 goddessoftheclassroom

At least kittehs TRY to teach their hoomans…

(*meekly whispering*) uh … you used that last night

THEREFORE, to change to a more WOTHWHILE subject

450 snowcrash  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:11:20pm

re: #436 yma o hyd
Thanks for the correction, my ignorance of EU politics is showing. I loved his speech.

451 pink freud  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:11:24pm
452 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:11:31pm

re: #446 Kosh’s Shadow

Meanwhile, it is “same old, same old” at the UN:
UN approves religious criticism proposal

It’s long past time to shut the UN down and turn it into affordable housing.

453 Mirage  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:11:34pm

re: #443 alegrias

* * *
Yeah, well you missed a great moment in TV/Youtube history!

Daniel Hannan telling his leaders they’ve run out of the country’s money was great.

Speaking truth to power as it were.

Worthwhile anything (video, audio, fill in the blank) is fairly accessible after the fact on the internet so I really haven’t missed a thing.

454 opnion  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:12:08pm

re: #447 Nevergiveup

is that similar to a Gamecock?


Very similar

455 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:12:08pm

re: #446 Kosh’s Shadow

Meanwhile, it is “same old, same old” at the UN:
UN approves religious criticism proposal

Forgot this great (really!) line, from our friends to the north:
“It is individuals who have rights and not religions,” Canadian diplomat Terry Cormier said.

456 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:12:34pm

re: #445 opnion

A clip of Andrew Cuomo talking about AIG was just on FNC.
It seemed like a scene from the Godfather. I’m tellin ya the guy sounded like a gamgster.

As AG shouldn’t he be looking into any and all aspects of malfeasance? Like the role that ACORN may have played and certainly the role that certain members of Congress played?

457 funky chicken  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:12:35pm
Leo’s Biology amendment: “(D) analyze and evaluate the evidence regarding formation of simple organic molecules and their organization into long complex molecules having information such as the DNA molecule for self-replicating life.”

simply beyond the scope of high school introductory biology or chemistry courses. absolutely idiotic

you want to teach these kinds of issue in an elective class for seniors? fine, I guess.

458 freetoken  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:12:47pm

So I’m reading the Houston Chron blog.. and what strikes me is that this SBOE meeting is nothing more than a kangaroo court convened to hang Charles Darwin and the whole idea of speciation.

The board though obviously is feeling quite encouraged by their efforts, for now they are going after geology and astronomy. From the blog:

[…] the first one she wants is to strike the current standard for the Big Bang and remove the 14 billion year old age from it. She is promoting a Young Earth Creationist view, of course. Many times in the past the SBOE has changed standards that mention millions and billions of years to simple “a long time ago.” She wants to substitute a standard from Astronomy that simply adds, “add current theories of the evolution of the universe including estimates for the age of the universe” to the Big Bang standard 4A. Cargill’s amendment to strip a very ancient number of years one that is equivocal about the age of the universe passed 11-3 […]

Scientific knowledge has peaked in America… it’s downhill from here on.

459 Colonel Panik  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:12:48pm

TFK, you’ll like this one:

Border Patrol union calls (Obama/Hillary/Napolitano) security plan “showmanship”.

Napolitano said rail cargo screening into Mexico along the eight lines that traverse the border would be increased to 100 percent.

But Bonner said this banks too much on the theory that the reason there is Mexican drug violence is because they smuggle most of their weapons from the U.S. “The U.S. has more weapons but we don’t have that kind of violence in our streets,” he said, noting that despite Mexico’s strict gun laws the armed groups are out of control.

And even if the U.S. strategy were to dry up the flow of weapons going south, Bonner said cartels will continue to be armed in one of two ways: from U.S. supplies that go to the Mexican military or police and wind up in the hands of cartels or officers that turn to working for the cartels, or buying guns elsewhere.

“Someone’s going to supply them because they’ve got a lot of money,” Bonner said.

And the smuggling possibilities, he said, will still be endless. “The same tunnels that are used to move drugs and people northward can also be used to funnel the same south,” he said, adding that other options would include low-flying aircraft that do drops without landing in the United States and go back to Mexico before U.S. officials can intercept them, or utilizing rivers and oceans as conduits to a greater degree.

Working closer with the Mexican military and police is also raising eyebrows, Bonner said. “Sharing intelligence with our Mexican counterparts may sound great in D.C., but out in the field it makes us very nervous,” he said. “We have had situations where Mexican soldiers in Humvees have driven into the U.S., opened fire on our agents, were apprehended and were returned to Mexico within a number of hours.” In almost all of these incidents, which he says have also included Border Patrol agents being pinned down by fire from Mexican soldiers, the Mexican government has claimed the perpetrators were masquerading as Mexican soldiers. “Even taking that at face value there’s never been any response from them,” he said.

460 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:12:49pm

I can hear ice-cubes in the glass downstairs.

Later, y’all.

461 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:12:59pm

re: #449 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(*meekly whispering*) uh … you used that last night

THEREFORE, to change to a more WOTHWHILE subject

My bad…

462 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:13:21pm

re: #438 Kosh’s Shadow

And there is more on the weapons smuggling through Sudan:
An Iranian ship carrying weapons baby milk was obliterated.

Heh.
Anybody who believes that probably uses tweezers to pull on their trousers!
Whats the bet that this ship simply sank because of poor seamanship?
No proof either way - but blaming the Jooos sounds so good on AlJazeera!

463 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:13:37pm

re: #451 pink freud

Google to cut 200 jobs.

I’d love to see that conversation.

Uh, Bob look, we like you, and your work is certainly good, but if we don’t let you go, we’ll have to cancel the free sodas. I’m sure you understand.

464 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:13:42pm

re: #440 doppelganglander

No meltdowns while I was gone?

Foxnews.com has a hilarious picture on its front page right now. They’re calling Obama’s methods “Stuart Smalley diplomacy.”

No meltdowns … except for Mandy over a photo of a fireman.

Does that count?

465 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:13:54pm

re: #452 Leonidas Hoplite

It’s long past time to shut the UN down and turn it into affordable housing.

Heavy Metal / Harry Canyon reference! Huzzah! Up-ding!

466 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:14:10pm

re: #464 pre-Boomer Marine brat

No meltdowns … except for Mandy over a photo of a fireman.

Does that count?

She wasn’t the only one…

467 opnion  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:14:31pm

re: #448 alegrias

* * * *
And Cuomo looked like the young handsome Al Pacino!
Making AIG employees who took bonuses offers they can’t refuse!

Physically there is a resemlence, but his demeanor was more like James Caan as Sonny.

468 pink freud  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:14:45pm

re: #466 goddessoftheclassroom

She wasn’t the only one…

True.

469 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:15:25pm

re: #464 pre-Boomer Marine brat

No meltdowns … except for Mandy over a photo of a fireman.

Does that count?

Where’s the link? I’d like to have that kind of meltdown, too.

470 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:15:25pm

re: #461 goddessoftheclassroom

My bad…

ROFLMAO!

471 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:16:03pm

re: #460 unreconstructed rebel

I can hear ice-cubes in the glass downstairs.

Later, y’all.

Wow, that’s an amazing power. What are they saying?

472 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:16:05pm

re: #462 yma o hyd

Heh.
Anybody who believes that probably uses tweezers to pull on their trousers!
Whats the bet that this ship simply sank because of poor seamanship?
No proof either way - but blaming the Jooos sounds so good on AlJazeera!

Or the cargo detonated.

473 opnion  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:16:10pm

re: #456 LGoPs

As AG shouldn’t he be looking into any and all aspects of malfeasance? Like the role that ACORN may have played and certainly the role that certain members of Congress played?

You would think so, if he was doing his job impartially, but he is a Democrat politician acting like a Democrat politician.

474 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:16:34pm

re: #459 Colonel Panik

TFK, you’ll like this one:

Border Patrol union calls (Obama/Hillary/Napolitano) security plan “showmanship”.

Perhaps they can get the DHS to sing “We are the very model of a modern border crossing guard”.

475 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:16:38pm

re: #471 Wishing

Wow, that’s an amazing power. What are they saying?

LOL!

476 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:16:43pm

re: #466 goddessoftheclassroom

She wasn’t the only one…

*crickets*

477 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:16:45pm

Gotta go, Lizards - its definitely Madame-time now!

Seeya tomorrow, all being well!

478 Colonel Panik  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:16:55pm

re: #440 doppelganglander

No meltdowns while I was gone?

Foxnews.com has a hilarious picture on its front page right now. They’re calling Obama’s methods “Stuart Smalley diplomacy.”

Speaking of “Stuart Smalley” can any Minnesota lizard give us an update on the Norm Coleman/Al Franken race? Has that thing been settled yet or is it still being fought in the courts?

479 AlexRogan  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:18:47pm

re: #375 Occasional Reader

If you’re trying to get me to make it up to you by linking to “hunkfiremen.com” or whatever, you can forget it.

Well, you know tight butts drive Mandy nuts…

;-P

480 Wishing  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:18:52pm

re: #478 Colonel Panik

Speaking of “Stuart Smalley” can any Minnesota lizard give us an update on the Norm Coleman/Al Franken race? Has that thing been settled yet or is it still being fought in the courts?


No news yet. I am sure Barney is keeping Al’s seat warm for him.

481 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:19:15pm

re: #478 Colonel Panik

Speaking of “Stuart Smalley” can any Minnesota lizard give us an update on the Norm Coleman/Al Franken race? Has that thing been settled yet or is it still being fought in the courts?

I forgot all about that?

482 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:19:23pm

re: #469 doppelganglander

Where’s the link? I’d like to have that kind of meltdown, too.

Here, and one or two more just a bit up-thread from it:

re: #398 MandyManners

What about his axe?

483 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:19:48pm
484 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:20:05pm

re: #477 yma o hyd

Gotta go, Lizards - its definitely Madame-time now!

Seeya tomorrow, all being well!

Have a good one!

485 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:20:32pm

re: #482 pre-Boomer Marine brat

My word. Will you excuse me for a moment?

486 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:21:24pm

re: #485 doppelganglander

My word. Will you excuse me for a moment?

A MOMENT?!?
We’ll expect you back in no less that 45 minutes.

487 Colonel Panik  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:22:26pm

re: #483 MandyManners

LOL.

488 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:22:49pm

re: #486 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A MOMENT?!?
We’ll expect you back in no less that 45 minutes.

Its just a bathroom break for crying out loud.

489 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:23:17pm

re: #483 MandyManners

Update here.

There you go. Up until I saw that picture I thought we might have a chance in 2012 but now my hopes have been dashed.
America’s future leadership.
/

490 albusteve  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:23:20pm

re: #478 Colonel Panik

Speaking of “Stuart Smalley” can any Minnesota lizard give us an update on the Norm Coleman/Al Franken race? Has that thing been settled yet or is it still being fought in the courts?

a long and winding road through the courts…not settled, they need to talk about some more

491 Colonel Panik  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:24:02pm

re: #490 albusteve

a long and winding road through the courts…not settled, they need to talk about some more

Jeez, at the rate they are going it might be settled in time for the 2010 election…

492 pink freud  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:24:36pm

Update on that corrupt juvie judge in Pennsylvania:

Convictions Reversed in Pennsylvania

“Pennsylvania’s highest court on Thursday overturned hundreds of juvenile convictions issued by a corrupt judge accused of taking millions of dollars in kickbacks to send kids to privately owned detention centers.

The state Supreme Court ruled that former Luzerne County President Judge Mark Ciavarella violated the constitutional rights of youth offenders who appeared in his courtroom without lawyers between 2003 and 2008.”

493 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:24:42pm

re: #486 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A MOMENT?!?
We’ll expect you back in no less that 45 minutes.

Hmm, the kid is out for the evening, my husband is home, I’ve got a bottle of wine…and a horrible chest cold and laryngitis. Phlegm is not sexy.

494 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:24:48pm

re: #483 MandyManners

Update here.

So Al Franken shares something with Jimmy Carter? They were both attacked by rabbits?

495 Eowyn2  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:24:49pm

re: #472 Kosh’s Shadow

Or the cargo detonated.

work accident.
they need TOSHA (Terrorist Occupation Safety and Health Antagonists)

496 albusteve  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:25:11pm

re: #491 Colonel Panik

Jeez, at the rate they are going it might be settled in time for the 2010 election…

they are sorting out the graft…who owes how much etc

497 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:25:21pm

re: #491 Colonel Panik

Jeez, at the rate they are going it might be settled in time for the 2010 election…

If that’s what it takes to keep Al Franken out of Congress, I’m good with that. Election Steal Fail.

498 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:25:22pm

re: #458 freetoken

So I’m reading the Houston Chron blog.. and what strikes me is that this SBOE meeting is nothing more than a kangaroo court convened to hang Charles Darwin and the whole idea of speciation.

The board though obviously is feeling quite encouraged by their efforts, for now they are going after geology and astronomy.

That shouldn’t suprise anybody. They have had a grudge against us [geologists] and astronomers for quite some time now, and it goes far deeper than the one against bologists. We were the first to disporve the Biblical view of the world.

499 HoosierHoops  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:25:24pm

re: #4 pink freud

Jindal is partly responsible for this. He opened the tent flap to that camel’s nose. He will never get my vote.

Hey Pink..I saw your post earlier about posting a link to Dr. C’s blog.
He said he would post his thoughts about Creationists in a few day publicly
on his blog and i could link it anywhere…
the Doc is the smartest scientist i know…He will take no prisoners when it comes to pure science.

500 HoosierHoops  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:26:06pm

re: #493 doppelganglander

Hmm, the kid is out for the evening, my husband is home, I’ve got a bottle of wine…and a horrible chest cold and laryngitis. Phlegm is not sexy.

I hope you get feeling better soon

501 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:26:16pm

re: #492 pink freud

Update on that corrupt juvie judge in Pennsylvania:

Convictions Reversed in Pennsylvania

“Pennsylvania’s highest court on Thursday overturned hundreds of juvenile convictions issued by a corrupt judge accused of taking millions of dollars in kickbacks to send kids to privately owned detention centers.

The state Supreme Court ruled that former Luzerne County President Judge Mark Ciavarella violated the constitutional rights of youth offenders who appeared in his courtroom without lawyers between 2003 and 2008.”

This judge should be hanged, drawn and quartered. After all these kids have used him as a pinata.

502 pink freud  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:27:21pm

re: #499 HoosierHoops

Thanks. :-)

503 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:28:20pm

re: #483 MandyManners

Update here.

I’ve found Minnesota’s next senatorial candidate - Bullwinkle J. Moose. At least he would bring some prestige to the office, unlike Franken.

en.wikipedia.org

504 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:28:48pm

re: #495 Eowyn2

work accident.
they need TOSHA (Terrorist Occupation Safety and Health Antagonists)

Through a series of mistranslations, the red tags on the scuttle valves did not say “Do Not Operate” in Farsi, they instead said, “Open when very far from land and operating in deep water”.

/I have no idea how that could have happened.

505 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:28:49pm

re: #500 HoosierHoops

I hope you get feeling better soon

Thank you. Web MD says laryngitis with a cold is nothing to see the doctor about unless it persists for more than two weeks. If I can’t talk for two weeks, I will go insane.

506 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:29:16pm

Another reason to stop funding UNRWA (like we needed one):
Gaza: Hamas Sweeps UNRWA Union Elections
This means UNRWA money is going to Hamas.

507 pink freud  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:29:17pm

re: #501 Leonidas Hoplite

This judge should be hanged, drawn and quartered. After all these kids have used him as a pinata.

?

508 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:29:20pm

re: #503 LGoPs

I’ve found Minnesota’s next senatorial candidate - Bullwinkle J. Moose. At least he would bring some prestige to the office, unlike Franken.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

And if I’m not mistaken…..he actually is from there. Frostbite Falls, I believe……
/

509 AlexRogan  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:30:28pm

re: #501 Leonidas Hoplite

This judge should be hanged, drawn and quartered. After all these kids have used him as a pinata.

There’s two (disgraced former) judges involved with this shit…for betraying the public trust and their oaths to uphold the law, they sure as hell need to get life without parole (instead of the 7 or so years they will supposedly get).

Hell, life without parole is too good for the scumbags…they should be hung!

510 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:30:29pm

re: #494 Kosh’s Shadow

So Al Franken shares something with Jimmy Carter? They were both attacked by rabbits?

I think Franken is….um……’dating’ the rabbit.
/

511 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:30:34pm

re: #503 LGoPs

I’ve found Minnesota’s next senatorial candidate - Bullwinkle J. Moose. At least he would bring some prestige to the office, unlike Franken.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

He’s already got a staffer in Rocket J. Squirrel.

512 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:31:05pm

re: #501 Leonidas Hoplite

This judge should be hanged, drawn and quartered. After all these kids have used him as a pinata.

I’ve got a better idea, but it’s going to be very expensive and the kids will need to learn the hazards of sudden wealth.

513 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:31:17pm

re: #504 CyanSnowHawk

Through a series of mistranslations, the red tags on the scuttle valves did not say “Do Not Operate” in Farsi, they instead said, “Open when very far from land and operating in deep water”.

/I have no idea how that could have happened.

And the Korans in the lifeboats were attached to the scuttle plugs as well.

514 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:31:42pm

re: #493 doppelganglander

Hmm, the kid is out for the evening, my husband is home, I’ve got a bottle of wine…and a horrible chest cold and laryngitis. Phlegm is not sexy.

Ouch!

One outta three ain’t bad!

/probably ought to duck

515 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:32:08pm

re: #514 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ouch!

One outta three ain’t bad!

/probably ought to duck

PIMF … one out of FOUR

516 paradox42  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:32:32pm

re: #492 pink freud

Update on that corrupt juvie judge in Pennsylvania:

Convictions Reversed in Pennsylvania

“Pennsylvania’s highest court on Thursday overturned hundreds of juvenile convictions issued by a corrupt judge accused of taking millions of dollars in kickbacks to send kids to privately owned detention centers.

The state Supreme Court ruled that former Luzerne County President Judge Mark Ciavarella violated the constitutional rights of youth offenders who appeared in his courtroom without lawyers between 2003 and 2008.”

Good news.

I think these judges should receive the death penalty. Their crimes weren’t just against individuals, they were against the justice system itself.

517 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:32:37pm

re: #508 LGoPs

And if I’m not mistaken…..he actually is from there. Frostbite Falls, I believe……
/

Bullwinkle is eminently qualified, having graduated Wotsammata U.
He’s even had military experience, as a hatrack in an officers’ club.

518 albusteve  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:32:58pm

re: #515 pre-Boomer Marine brat

PIMF … one out of FOUR

start with the thumb but STOP at the ring finger….4

519 jorline  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:33:51pm

I’m late to the party today and this may have been posted, but I found it very funny.

John Wayne, Meet Stuart Smalley — Obama Team Strikes Special Diplomatic Tone

While George W. Bush drew charges of “cowboy diplomacy” for his unilateral style of doing things, the Obama team might just be the Stuart Smalley counterpart to Bush’s John Wayne.

Smalley, you may recall, was Al Franken’s lovable alter-ego on Saturday Night Live — an uncertified gusher of self-help advice who often needed that advice more than his guests.

I’ll take “The Duke” any day…but then again, I live in cowboy country.

520 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:33:53pm

re: #515 pre-Boomer Marine brat

PIMF … one out of FOUR

Honey, I do NOT want to know which one.

521 opnion  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:34:03pm

Obama is 24 hours away from announcing his new policy on Afghanistan.
Wonder if it’s going to be statehood?

522 pink freud  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:34:29pm

re: #516 paradox42

Good news.

I think these judges should receive the death penalty. Their crimes weren’t just against individuals, they were against the justice system itself.

2.6 million in payoffs gets a 7 years sentence. 5 years’ worth of sentencing kids based on bribes.

523 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:34:46pm

Time to call it a day. See (some of) you on the LNDT.

L8R

524 albusteve  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:35:00pm

re: #517 Kosh’s Shadow

Bullwinkle is eminently qualified, having graduated Wotsammata U.
He’s even had military experience, as a hatrack in an officers’ club.

Philidelphia eh?…nice town

525 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:37:27pm
526 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:38:51pm

re: #521 opnion

Obama is 24 hours away from announcing his new policy on Afghanistan.
Wonder if it’s going to be statehood?

You mean the US will have 58 states?

527 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:39:19pm

re: #520 doppelganglander

Honey, I do NOT want to know which one.

THE HUSBAND!
THE HUSBAND!
OF COURSE!

/WHEW!

528 lobo91  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:42:17pm

re: #520 doppelganglander

I think I asked you once before, but your nic is a BTVS reference, right?

529 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:43:56pm

There was a story on the local news last night here (DFW) about how many school textbooks are available online now, and many students (high schoolers) don’t want dead tree versions. The problem is, in the State of Texas, state law requires districts buy textbooks for every student, whether they want them or not. There’s a bill proposed in this legislative session to allow districts to only buy the books they need, then spend the rest on other supplies. In Irving (a suburb between Dallas and Ft. Worth), the value of the unused textbooks they have stored would pay for 15,000 (!) laptops.

Linky

530 paradox42  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:47:40pm

re: #522 pink freud

2.6 million in payoffs gets a 7 years sentence. 5 years’ worth of sentencing kids based on bribes.

That’s pathetic. People get 20 years for smoking a f***king joint, but complete monsters like these get a slap on the wrist.

I can only hope they get put on general population so they can meet some old “friends” who will be very happy to see them.

531 Irish Rose  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:05:52pm

Unprofessional… and also unethical and immoral.

New-earth creationism does not have one shred, even one iota, of hard science to back it up.

532 Euler  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:19:56pm

From over 50 scientific societies to the Texas State Board of Education:

We urge the Board to heed the advice of the scientific community and the experienced scientists and educators who drafted the TEKS: reject these and any other amendments which single out evolution for scrutiny beyond that applied to other scientific theories.


The phrase “scrutiny beyond that applied to other scientific theories” lends a certain undeserved legitimacy to the heap of uninformed, self-serving opinion that the creationists call “strengths and weaknesses”. A better wording might be “scrutiny beneath that applied to other scientific theories”.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2023-04-04 11:11 am PDT
LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal
Cash.app
Recent PagesClick to refresh
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ...
Cheechako
4 days ago
Views: 130 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
Cheechako
2 weeks ago
Views: 294 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1