He snorted and hit me in the solar plexus.
I bent over and took hold of the room with both hands and spun it. When I had it nicely spinning I gave it a full swing and hit myself on the back of the head with the floor.
— Raymond Chandler, Pearls are a Nuisance
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, May 11, 2009 10:59:12pm |
re: #1 Erik The Red
Still evening for me. How's everything going in your neck of the woods?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, May 11, 2009 11:04:25pm |
re: #2 stevieray
I miss the Rockford Files. That was a great show.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, May 11, 2009 11:10:16pm |
Heh! My day was kinda like that! Why is the back of my head sore?
Evening Honcos!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, May 11, 2009 11:10:21pm |
re: #5 Boondocksaint
what up from WV.
There's always something up here in Los Angeles county but I'm trying to ignore the local news. We've had shootings here in my neighborhood. Not good.
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Erik The Red Mon, May 11, 2009 11:10:26pm |
re: #3 Pvt Bin Jammin
Still evening for me. How's everything going in your neck of the woods?
All is well in Durban.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, May 11, 2009 11:11:46pm |
PBJ, as long as YOU are safe. The rest of the LA neighborhoods, well either belong to MS 13, or the LAPD. I'm not sure which!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, May 11, 2009 11:12:43pm |
re: #8 Erik The Red
All is well in Durban.
Good!
Didn't you say you were hoping to come to the US soon? (Or am I nuts?)
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, May 11, 2009 11:16:28pm |
re: #9 Floral Giraffe
PBJ, as long as YOU are safe. The rest of the LA neighborhoods, well either belong to MS 13, or the LAPD. I'm not sure which!
We are not right in the city. We have the LA County Sheriff. Some poor kid (not affiliated with gangs) was murdered early yesterday morning, real close to my house. Two other shootings were gang related. Glad we are getting extra patrols.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, May 11, 2009 11:16:29pm |
Trying to control my eating portions absolutely sucks!
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Erik The Red Mon, May 11, 2009 11:16:46pm |
re: #10 Pvt Bin Jammin
Good!
Didn't you say you were hoping to come to the US soon? (Or am I nuts?)
No you are not nuts. My plans have been delayed by a few weeks. :( Hope to be in Florida by the end of June. Right in the middle of the summer heat :( Wanted a month or two to get acclimatised.
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zombie Mon, May 11, 2009 11:21:19pm |
He snorted and hit me in the solar plexus.I bent over and took hold of the room with both hands and spun it. When I had it nicely spinning I gave it a full swing and hit myself on the back of the head with the floor.
This brings up something that has always mystified me:
I have never been in a real "fight" fight -- I mean an all-out fist fight. I'm not that kind of person. But once when I was a kid, I got hit in the solar plexus by accident during a playground game. The wind was totally knocked out of me and I couldn't inhale for probably two minutes. I thought I was going to die, actually.
Later, when I was about 20, a friend once snuck up behind me as a joke and tickled me on the side, to make some other friends (who were watching the prank) laugh. I was so freaked out and surprised by the jab in the side, not yet knowing it was my friend, that I reflexively jerked by elbow backwards with all my might, and caught him directly in the solar plexus. He was a really big guy, practically twice my size, and he instantly crumpled to the ground and practically passed out, also unable to breathe. Took him half and hour to recover.
I learned from these two rather mild experiences that blows to the solar plexus can be totally debilitating. Almost a knockout punch if delivered well.
AND YET...
Whenever you see two guys fighting, whether in reality, or in fiction, or in a boxing match, or a street fight, or wherever, they almost inevitably always aim for the face.
Why?
Why doesn't everybody aim for the solar plexus every now and then?
Like I said, I've never been in a fight, but I always planned that if I was, or if someone attacked me and I had to defend myself, that I would pummel the attacker in the solar plexus, which seems harder to defend than the face, due to the angle of the arms.
Lizards with street-fighting experience: What's your opinion? Face, or solar plexus?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, May 11, 2009 11:23:10pm |
re: #13 Erik The Red
No you are not nuts. My plans have been delayed by a few weeks. :( Hope to be in Florida by the end of June. Right in the middle of the summer heat :( Wanted a month or two to get acclimatised.
Whoa, that heat and humidity will hit you hard.
Years ago my husband and I moved from the desert to the southern end of South Carolina. I'm not kidding, we took salt pills. They even had dispensers of them all over the military base where we were.
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Racer X Mon, May 11, 2009 11:25:03pm |
Genesis - The Return Of The Giant Hogweed
Turn and run!
Nothing can stop them,
Around every river and canal their power is growing.
Stamp them out!
We must destroy them,
They infiltrate each city with their thick dark warning odour.
They are invincible,
They seem immune to all our herbicidal battering.
Long ago in the russian hills,
A victorian explorer found the regal hogweed by a marsh,
He captured it and brought it home.
Botanical creature stirs, seeking revenge.
Royal beast did not forget.
He came home to london,
And made a present of the hogweed to the royal gardens at kew.
Waste no time!
They are approaching.
Hurry now, we must protect ourselves and find some shelter
Strike by night!
They are defenceless.
They all need the sun to photosensitize their venom.
Still theyre invincible,
Still theyre immune to all our herbicidal battering.
Fashionable country gentlemen had some cultivated wild gardens,
In which they innocently planted the giant hogweed throughout the land.
Botanical creature stirs, seeking revenge.
Royal beast did not forget.
Soon they escaped, spreading their seed,
Preparing for an onslaught, threatening the human race.
The dance of the giant hogweed
Mighty hogweed is avenged.
Human bodies soon will know our anger.
Kill them with your hogweed hairs
Heracleum mantegazziani
Giant hogweed lives
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Erik The Red Mon, May 11, 2009 11:26:37pm |
re: #14 zombie
If you are fighter trained and the muscles are strong and you are anticipating the punch it will have hardly any effect.
Now for me if I feel I am in a fight that I can not win I just go for the gonads.
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Racer X Mon, May 11, 2009 11:26:39pm |
re: #14 zombie
If you have a choice go for the groin. Solar plexus works too. Top of the foot hurts like hell when stomped on.
Hitting the face just makes your fist hurt.
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zombie Mon, May 11, 2009 11:31:11pm |
re: #17 Erik The Red
Now for me if I feel I am in a fight that I can not win I just go for the gonads.
re: #18 Racer X
If you have a choice go for the groin.
I dunno, that seems kind of a long shot -- the odds of actually successfully hitting the testicles seems pretty slim. Plus, they're well-protected between the legs, and one would have to kick them, not punch.
Hitting the face just makes your fist hurt.
Then why does everybody do it?
If you are fighter trained and the muscles are strong and you are anticipating the punch it will have hardly any effect.
Ah, but the vast majority of people are not trained boxers. So their muscles are not as rock-solid. And because no one ever seems to target the solar plexus, it is less likely to be anticipated.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, May 11, 2009 11:31:12pm |
re: #14 zombie
I think I was in the 8th grade when one of the bullies decided to start shit with me at the top of a flight of stairs....with his back to the stairs. One shove was all it took....
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Dustyvet Mon, May 11, 2009 11:31:21pm |
This is what we wanted in Europe:
Swiss salary.
Luxembourg taxes.
German car.
British home.
Spanish girls.
French wine.
Italian food.
Belgian beer.
Austrian mountains.
Danish administration.
And this was the EC's proposal for a Europe after EMU:
Czech salary.
Swedish taxes.
Spanish car.
Belgian home.
Greek girls.
German wine.
British food.
French beer.
Dutch mountains.
Italian administration.
Apparently, when we joined the EMU, the term 'spending a penny' was replaced
by 'euronating'.
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Truck Monkey Mon, May 11, 2009 11:31:39pm |
re: #18 Racer X
One shot straight to the temple can make the biggest man fall. I got hit in the temple once and couldn't remember anything for the next couple of hours.
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Dustyvet Mon, May 11, 2009 11:33:26pm |
Hell is a place where ...
All the police are German;
the British are the chefs;
the Norwegians are the singers;
the French are in charge of organization;
the Australians are the lovers;
the Swiss run the navy;
the Americans are the brewers;
the Belgians put up the signposts;
all the comedians are Swedish;
the South Africans are in charge of racial integration;
the only logic is Irish;
the speech therapists are Scottish;
the Ethiopians are in charge of agricultural policy;
the Italians run the armed forces;
the Indians are in charge of birth control;
the tour companies are run by Icelanders;
all the economists are Brazilian;
the Serbs are in charge of human rights;
the Spanish are the road builders;
all the orphanages are run by Romanians;
...and the common language is Dutch;
Heaven is a place where ...
The Germans are in charge of the organization;
all the police are British;
all the environmentalists are Norwegian;
the French are the chefs;
the Swiss are the bankers;
all the salesmen are American;
the Belgians make the chocolate;
the Swedes are the lovers;
the goldmines are run by South Africans;
all the storytellers are Irish;
all the distillers are Scottish;
the opera singers are Italian;
the Danes are the brewers;
all the spices are provided by Indians;
the fishermen are Icelandic;
all the footballers are Brazilian;
the Spanish run the holiday resorts;
and the Dutch are the merchants.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, May 11, 2009 11:33:31pm |
re: #14 zombie
I am not really a fighter either but I did get into one when I was 19 and on a women's softball team. Our pitcher, who was my friend and a couple of months pregnant, got to the base with the ball first and the ump called the runner out. This beotch runner kicked my friend in the abdomen. Needless to say, we got her good and we did not go for the face. Ribs and solar plexus.
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davinvalkri Mon, May 11, 2009 11:35:51pm |
re: #14 zombie
Can't you go for both? Poke the enemy's eye out then nail him in the solar plexus?
(Then stomp on his...I'll stop.)
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zombie Mon, May 11, 2009 11:36:18pm |
re: #23 Dustyvet
Dang, that joke is dated. It has 1978 written all over it.
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Dustyvet Mon, May 11, 2009 11:37:38pm |
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redc1c4 Mon, May 11, 2009 11:38:41pm |
re: #7 Pvt Bin Jammin
There's always something up here in Los Angeles county but I'm trying to ignore the local news. We've had shootings here in my neighborhood. Not good.
regular shootings or NHI ones?
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Racer X Mon, May 11, 2009 11:38:45pm |
If attacked and self defense is urgent:
Eyes
Throat
Solar plexus
Groin
or if grabbed from behind - stomp on the assailant's foot.
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redc1c4 Mon, May 11, 2009 11:39:30pm |
re: #9 Floral Giraffe
PBJ, as long as YOU are safe. The rest of the LA neighborhoods, well either belong to MS 13, or the LAPD. I'm not sure which!
my block belongs to me...... %-)
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zombie Mon, May 11, 2009 11:40:44pm |
re: #25 davinvalkri
Can't you go for both? Poke the enemy's eye out then nail him in the solar plexus?
(Then stomp on his...I'll stop.)
I'm presuming that I'll only have one good shot at most, so I've got to pick and choose my target well. From my observations of real fist-fights, they often only last under 30 seconds max before someone is knocked out or flees. It's not like a movie fight where the punching goes on and on forever with little ill effect on the combatants. Usually, in reality, it's one good punch or one good series of punches and the fight is over.
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zombie Mon, May 11, 2009 11:41:04pm |
re: #24 Pvt Bin Jammin
I am not really a fighter either but I did get into one when I was 19 and on a women's softball team. Our pitcher, who was my friend and a couple of months pregnant, got to the base with the ball first and the ump called the runner out. This beotch runner kicked my friend in the abdomen. Needless to say, we got her good and we did not go for the face. Ribs and solar plexus.
Wish I had been there to witness it!
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davinvalkri Mon, May 11, 2009 11:41:37pm |
re: #31 zombie
I'm presuming that I'll only have one good shot at most, so I've got to pick and choose my target well. From my observations of real fist-fights, they often only last under 30 seconds max before someone is knocked out or flees. It's not like a movie fight where the punching goes on and on forever with little ill effect on the combatants. Usually, in reality, it's one good punch or one good series of punches and the fight is over.
That's kinda what I meant by "stomp on his...". I was going to say neck. That'll end the fight right then and there.
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Erik The Red Mon, May 11, 2009 11:41:42pm |
re: #27 Dustyvet
Dv. :) Glad to see you posting again. I hope you are well. (as well as you can be)
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zombie Mon, May 11, 2009 11:41:54pm |
re: #20 Fenway_Nation
I think I was in the 8th grade when one of the bullies decided to start shit with me at the top of a flight of stairs....with his back to the stairs. One shove was all it took....
Bullies are bullies because they're not smart in the classroom. Or in the hallway either, apparently.
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Dustyvet Mon, May 11, 2009 11:43:15pm |
re: #34 Erik The Red
Dv. :) Glad to see you posting again. I hope you are well. (as well as you can be)
Thanks Erik...things are getting a little better.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, May 11, 2009 11:45:08pm |
re: #28 redc1c4
Probably the crips and the bloods but the news articles arent saying race or name yet. Same old sh*t. We have seen it all but our neighborhood is getting so nice now it just infuriates me. We're armed and we've been here since '75 but these nice young couples who have moved in probably don't know how to shoot and are afraid of guns.
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redc1c4 Mon, May 11, 2009 11:46:55pm |
re: #37 Pvt Bin Jammin
Probably the crips and the bloods but the news articles arent saying race or name yet. Same old sh*t. We have seen it all but our neighborhood is getting so nice now it just infuriates me. We're armed and we've been here since '75 but these nice young couples who have moved in probably don't know how to shoot and are afraid of guns.
that's because guns are bad.... "armed means dangerous": just ask my law instructor.
("heh" that you didn't ask what NHI meant. %-)
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davinvalkri Mon, May 11, 2009 11:48:47pm |
re: #39 redc1c4
that's because guns are bad.... "armed means dangerous": just ask my law instructor.
("heh" that you didn't ask what NHI meant. %-)
NHI returns something about "national highway institute" and schools for massage therapy. I don't think that's what you meant. So what did you mean?
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gmsc Mon, May 11, 2009 11:51:43pm |
re: #42 buzzsawmonkey
Forget the solar plexus. Why does nobody talk about the lunar plexus?
Because kicking them in moon just makes them angrier.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, May 11, 2009 11:52:22pm |
re: #32 zombie
Wish I had been there to witness it!
It turned into a huge thing. I was a "town" girl who was on the Marine wives and girlfriend's team. LOL There were always rivalries between the two anyway. My friend's husband, and his Marine buddies, went to the base after the game, put the top down on their convertible and rode through town with their M-16s. I was home from college and my parents wouldn't let me go back to town. The sheriff was cool. Nobody got arrested and the Marines went home. I ended up being a Marine wife, eventually.
Don't let me near Berzerkely.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, May 11, 2009 11:54:45pm |
re: #45 buzzsawmonkey
I actually have no idea if there even is such a thing as the lunar plexus, but it sounds cool.
It was funny whether it's true or not.
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redc1c4 Mon, May 11, 2009 11:56:24pm |
re: #40 davinvalkri
NHI returns something about "national highway institute" and schools for massage therapy. I don't think that's what you meant. So what did you mean?
"No Humans Involved"..... gang shootings, etc. jaded copspeak.
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SixDegrees Mon, May 11, 2009 11:57:03pm |
re: #14 zombie
Whenever you see two guys fighting, whether in reality, or in fiction, or in a boxing match, or a street fight, or wherever, they almost inevitably always aim for the face.
Why?
Why doesn't everybody aim for the solar plexus every now and then?
Nose: fragile.
Eyes: very fragile.
Mouth: Sensitive as hell.
Lots of opportunity to cause some serious pain in the face that will disable your opponent.
The midsection, on the other hand, is easier to defend; you can block it with your arms pretty effectively. You can do the same with your face, but not as easily; it blocks your vision when you do that.
Then again, in real life a strategy would be: blow to the 'nads or stomach, then a knee to the face while your opponent is doubled over. If you aren't trained or are otherwise outmatched, try channeling your berserker rage. Or running.
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zombie Mon, May 11, 2009 11:57:43pm |
re: #45 buzzsawmonkey
I actually have no idea if there even is such a thing as the lunar plexus, but it sounds cool.
I think Lunar Plexus was the only novel Henry Miller wrote at night.
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redc1c4 Mon, May 11, 2009 11:58:14pm |
re: #42 buzzsawmonkey
Forget the solar plexus. Why does nobody talk about the lunar plexus?
Mares no reason to....
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Clemente Mon, May 11, 2009 11:59:11pm |
re: #42 buzzsawmonkey
Forget the solar plexus. Why does nobody talk about the lunar plexus?
Checked the mirror - I seem to have a solar pinfiniti.
/gotta start workin' out
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davinvalkri Mon, May 11, 2009 11:59:19pm |
re: #49 SixDegrees
Nose: fragile.
Eyes: very fragile.
Mouth: Sensitive as hell.Lots of opportunity to cause some serious pain in the face that will disable your opponent.
The midsection, on the other hand, is easier to defend; you can block it with your arms pretty effectively. You can do the same with your face, but not as easily; it blocks your vision when you do that.
Then again, in real life a strategy would be: blow to the 'nads or stomach, then a knee to the face while your opponent is doubled over. If you aren't trained or are otherwise outmatched, try channeling your berserker rage. Or running.
Or using a weapon, improvised or otherwise?
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gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 12:00:01am |
Today in History, May 12th:
The Soviet Union announces an end to its blockade of Berlin; Body of missing Lindbergh baby is found in a wooded area; Burt Bacharac; Katherine Hepburn and George Carlin are born.
Other notable May 12th events include:
1962 – Douglas MacArthur delivers his famous "Duty, Honor, Country" valedictory speech at the United States Military Academy.
1965 – The Soviet spacecraft Luna 5 crashes on the Moon.
1967 – At Queen Elizabeth Hall, England, Pink Freud (er, Floyd) stages the first-ever quadraphonic rock concert.
2002 – Former US President Jimmy Carter arrives in Cuba for a five-day visit with Fidel Castro becoming first President of the United States, in or out of office, to visit the island since Castro's 1959 revolution.
2003 – Fifty-nine Democratic lawmakers bring the Texas Legislature to a standstill by going into hiding in a dispute over a Republican congressional redistricting plan.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:00:24am |
He looked about as inconspicuous as a tarantula on a slice of angel food.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:00:54am |
re: #54 davinvalkri
Or using a weapon, improvised or otherwise?
if you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:01:28am |
I do a great deal of research - particularly in the apartments of tall blondes.
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davinvalkri Tue, May 12, 2009 12:01:34am |
re: #58 redc1c4
if you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
If you're cheating and you're winning, you're not cheating?
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:01:50am |
I knew one thing: as soon as anyone said you didn't need a gun, you'd better take one along that worked.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:02:10am |
re: #60 davinvalkri
If you're cheating and you're winning, you're not cheating?
second place is the first loser.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:02:41am |
I think a man ought to get drunk at least twice a year just on principle, so he won't let himself get snotty about it.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:03:25am |
re: #63 buzzsawmonkey
Unless, of course, you just happen to get in a ruckus at the Preserves Tent at the State Fair.
Then, you're in a Fair fight even if you have two sets of brass knuckles.
sounds like one hell of a jam to be in..... you might even wind up being caned.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:04:41am |
Woe, woe, woe... in a little while we shall all be dead. Therefore let us behave as though we were dead already.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, May 12, 2009 12:04:57am |
re: #53 Clemente
Checked the mirror - I seem to have a solar pinfiniti.
/gotta start workin' out
I'm kind of skinny for the most part but I am getting that computer chari "muffin top" Want to work out?
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davinvalkri Tue, May 12, 2009 12:06:00am |
re: #67 redc1c4
Woe, woe, woe... in a little while we shall all be dead. Therefore let us behave as though we were dead already.
Don't you mean "die tomorrow"?
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:06:22am |
“Chandler wrote like a slumming angel and invested the sun-blinded streets of Los Angeles with a romantic presence.” —Ross Macdonald
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:07:18am |
in case anyone was still wondering, Chandler is my all time fav.
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:07:32am |
re: #55 gmsc
Today in History, May 12th:
1965 – The Soviet spacecraft Luna 5 crashes on the Moon.
I've zinged many people who thought they were experts with this killer trivia question:
What was the first man-made spacecraft to touch down on the moon?
Everybody who thinks they know the answer always says Apollo 11.
Most are shocked to find out that the Soviets got a vehicle on to the Moon's surface 10 years earlier: The Luna 2, in 1959.
Of course, all the Soviets could ever do was crash things disastrously onto the moon, but hey, that's why the trvia question is carefully worded ("touched down" instead of "landed.")
The Americans were the first ones to get off the moon.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, May 12, 2009 12:08:27am |
re: #67 redc1c4
Woe, woe, woe... in a little while we shall all be dead. Therefore let us behave as though we were dead already.
Are you presuming that we're all going to hell or did you recently take up the harp?
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:09:21am |
“From 30 feet away she looked like a lot of class. From 10 feet away she looked like something made up to be seen from 30 feet away.”
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:10:19am |
re: #75 Pvt Bin Jammin
Are you presuming that we're all going to hell or did you recently take up the harp?
well, hell is other people, so the point is debateable, but all i'm really doing is pasting various RC quotes.
i'll stop if they're bothering people.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:10:56am |
“What did it matter where you lay once you were dead? In a dirty sump or in a marble tower on top of a high hill? You were dead, you were sleeping the big sleep, you were not bothered by things like that. Oil and water were the same as wind and air to you.”
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:14:18am |
re: #79 buzzsawmonkey
I actually find him a little too florid at this point; I prefer the bracing spareness of Dashiell Hammett.
Hammett--though, oddly enough, a stone-cold lefty--wrote with the most cold, dispassionate analysis of human foibles I have ever seen. He may have been a moonbat--hell, he lived with Lillian Hellman, how moonbatty can you get?--but he wasn't in his writing.
Chandler was a little more of a romantic--if nothing else, as evidenced by his choice of name for his primary character. "Philip" is derived from the Greek for "horse"--because Marlowe was supposed to be a knight. He was, in fact, originally named "Mallory," after the Victorian author of the Morte d'Artur.
Down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid. The detective must be a complete man and a common man and yet an unusual man. He must be, to use a rather weathered phrase, a man of honor. He talks as the man of his age talks, that is, with rude wit, a lively sense of the grotesque, a disgust for sham, and a contempt for pettiness.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:15:28am |
re: #81 buzzsawmonkey
Have you read "Killer in the Rain," the short story from which "The Big Sleep" was expanded?
AFAIK, i've read just about everything he's ever published that's available in print these days...... so yes: i've read Killer in the Rain.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:16:09am |
re: #80 Pvt Bin Jammin
I love the quotes. Keep 'em coming.
“Would you convey my compliments to the purist who reads your proofs and tell him or her that I write in a sort of broken-down patois which is something like the way a Swiss waiter talks, and that when I split an infinitive, God damn it, I split it so it will stay split, and when I interrupt the velvety smoothness of my more or less literate syntax with a few sudden words of bar-room vernacular, that is done with the eyes wide open and the mind relaxed but attentive.”
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, May 12, 2009 12:18:45am |
re: #84 redc1c4
“Would you convey my compliments to the purist who reads your proofs and tell him or her that I write in a sort of broken-down patois which is something like the way a Swiss waiter talks, and that when I split an infinitive, God damn it, I split it so it will stay split, and when I interrupt the velvety smoothness of my more or less literate syntax with a few sudden words of bar-room vernacular, that is done with the eyes wide open and the mind relaxed but attentive.”
Dang I've got to try and memorize that. LOL Love it.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:19:27am |
“Common sense always speaks too late. Common sense is the guy who tells you ought to have had your brakes relined last week before you smashed a front end this week. Common sense is the Monday morning quarterback who could have won the ball game if he had been on the team. But he never is. He's high up in the stands with a flask on his hip. Common sense is the little man in a gray suit who never makes a mistake in addition. But it's always somebody else's money he's adding up.”
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davinvalkri Tue, May 12, 2009 12:19:40am |
re: #84 redc1c4
“Would you convey my compliments to the purist who reads your proofs and tell him or her that I write in a sort of broken-down patois which is something like the way a Swiss waiter talks, and that when I split an infinitive, God damn it, I split it so it will stay split, and when I interrupt the velvety smoothness of my more or less literate syntax with a few sudden words of bar-room vernacular, that is done with the eyes wide open and the mind relaxed but attentive.”
I'll have to run that by my humanities teacher sometime!
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:20:11am |
And this is my favorite trivia question of all time. So far, I have never encountered someone who got it right:
What were the first words ever spoken on the moon?
You might think you know the obvious answer: But you'd be wrong.
You might think you know the clever answer: But you'd be wrong.
You might think you know the super-clever answer: But you'd be wrong.
It's very very difficult.
Of course, the question only works when asking someone in person. Asking it on a blog where every single person can look it up on the Internet with a few clicks, is a futile exercise.
Even so: 25 gold stars to the first person to get it right! And 50 gold stars if you answer in the next five minutes and can convince me you didn't look it up!
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:20:28am |
re: #86 buzzsawmonkey
BTW, redc1c4--have you seen Dick Powell in "Murder, My Sweet," possibly the best version of "Farewell, My Lovely?"
naw..... i don;t do movies much. i love Chinatown & The Two Jakes though.
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:20:53am |
re: #85 buzzsawmonkey
Yeah, yeah--a world where gangsters can rule nations, and almost rule cities. I still like "The Simple Art of Murder"--and most of the rest of Chandler, for that matter--but Chandler's work has the formality of Noh drama, while Hammett is Shakespeare cut extra-lean.
I vastly prefer Hammett to Chandler. Gotta be honest.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:21:17am |
re: #91 zombie
And this is my favorite trivia question of all time. So far, I have never encountered someone who got it right:
What were the first words ever spoken on the moon?
You might think you know the obvious answer: But you'd be wrong.You might think you know the clever answer: But you'd be wrong.
You might think you know the super-clever answer: But you'd be wrong.
It's very very difficult.
Of course, the question only works when asking someone in person. Asking it on a blog where every single person can look it up on the Internet with a few clicks, is a futile exercise.
Even so: 25 gold stars to the first person to get it right! And 50 gold stars if you answer in the next five minutes and can convince me you didn't look it up!
"Oh SHIt!"
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 12:21:20am |
When all the news seems doom and gloom, something like this comes along:
Why the mission to the Hubble Space Telescope is worth the risk
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gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 12:21:43am |
re: #91 zombie
And this is my favorite trivia question of all time. So far, I have never encountered someone who got it right:
What were the first words ever spoken on the moon?
You might think you know the obvious answer: But you'd be wrong.You might think you know the clever answer: But you'd be wrong.
You might think you know the super-clever answer: But you'd be wrong.
It's very very difficult.
Of course, the question only works when asking someone in person. Asking it on a blog where every single person can look it up on the Internet with a few clicks, is a futile exercise.
Even so: 25 gold stars to the first person to get it right! And 50 gold stars if you answer in the next five minutes and can convince me you didn't look it up!
"Good luck, Mr. Gorsky?"
No, wait, those were supposed to be the last words Neil Armstrong spoke . . .
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 12:22:05am |
I am in way over my head here. If anyone whats the complete works of Dr. Seuss quoted I may be able to help out with that. :)
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..."
— Dr. Seuss
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:23:02am |
re: #97 gmsc
"Good luck, Mr. Gorsky?"
No, wait, those were supposed to be the last words Neil Armstrong spoke . . .
Not close, and also no cigar.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:23:20am |
re: #93 zombie
I vastly prefer Hammett to Chandler. Gotta be honest.
well yeah: he wrote about Frisco, so of course you do.
i like them both, but since i'm an LA native.......
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:23:54am |
re: #100 BatGuano
Houston, the eagle has landed?
That's the level 1 clever answer. You got three more levels to go.
Nope.
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gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 12:24:51am |
I like how, in a week where the newest Star Trek movie is just released, we're talking about Dashiell Hammett.
Hmmm . . . I wonder what you'd get if you crossed Star Trek and Dashiell Hammett? Probably something like this:
Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3:
Part 4:
Part 5:
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, May 12, 2009 12:24:59am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 12:26:29am |
re: #91 zombie
And this is my favorite trivia question of all time. So far, I have never encountered someone who got it right:
What were the first words ever spoken on the moon?
You might think you know the obvious answer: But you'd be wrong.You might think you know the clever answer: But you'd be wrong.
You might think you know the super-clever answer: But you'd be wrong.
It's very very difficult.
Of course, the question only works when asking someone in person. Asking it on a blog where every single person can look it up on the Internet with a few clicks, is a futile exercise.
Even so: 25 gold stars to the first person to get it right! And 50 gold stars if you answer in the next five minutes and can convince me you didn't look it up!
Depends if you mean when the LM first landed or when Armstrong first touched his booted foot to moon soil.
Now if you mean LM, then would it be when the contact probe first touched, or when the main engine was shutdown and the LM was at rest?
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:26:34am |
re: #104 zombie
That's the level 1 clever answer. You got three more levels to go.
Nope.
then it's not "Tranquility Base" either..... something about the probes touching? can't remember without a search, but the LEM probes hit before anything else, so technically, that's when the landing occurred.
| 113 |
davinvalkri Tue, May 12, 2009 12:26:59am |
re: #110 zombie
Apollo 1 never left Florida. So...nope.
Right right I know...
hmmm...did Armstrong hurt something on the way down? Or was he actually on the moon when he said "the Eagle has landed"?
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:27:22am |
re: #109 buzzsawmonkey
"Dammit, I dropped the keys. How deep does this dust go?"
Well....not exactly.
The five minutes is up. Nobody gets the 50 gold stars.
From this point on, if someone gets it right, I will assume they looked it up.
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Winslow Tue, May 12, 2009 12:27:40am |
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davinvalkri Tue, May 12, 2009 12:27:56am |
re: #115 zombie
Well....not exactly.
The five minutes is up. Nobody gets the 50 gold stars.
From this point on, if someone gets it right, I will assume they looked it up.
Dammit. That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:28:52am |
re: #111 FurryOldGuyJeans
Depends if you mean when the LM first landed or when Armstrong first touched his booted foot to moon soil.
Now if you mean LM, then would it be when the contact probe first touched, or when the main engine was shutdown and the LM was at rest?
re: #112 redc1c4
then it's not "Tranquility Base" either..... something about the probes touching? can't remember without a search, but the LEM probes hit before anything else, so technically, that's when the landing occurred.
You're both getting closer.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:30:02am |
re: #118 zombie
You're both getting closer.
that's why Neil shut off the engine.
/that and he was out of fuel. %-)
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davinvalkri Tue, May 12, 2009 12:30:32am |
re: #120 buzzsawmonkey
Remember that old Gahan Wilson cartoon, of some hideous monster getting out of a flying saucer in the middle of an urban street, people fleeing in terror, and the monster saying, "That's one small step for a Znargh, one giant leap for Znarghkind!"
Can't say I have but the concept does sound funny!
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gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 12:31:04am |
re: #98 Erik The Red
I am in way over my head here. If anyone whats the complete works of Dr. Seuss quoted I may be able to help out with that. :)
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..."
— Dr. Seuss
Quick – which Dr. Seuss book used the lowest amount of different words?
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:31:17am |
Strange how no one has yet given the far-and-away most common answer (which is also incorrect, even so).
| 125 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 12:31:29am |
re: #104 zombie
That's the level 1 clever answer. You got three more levels to go.
Nope.
re: #114 redc1c4
GMTA.
The question, as asked, is just so vague, really.
First words spoken when some part of the LM touched the lunar surface was "Contact Light".
I didn't have to look it up, a couple of days ago I was watching the Spacecraft Films DVDs on Apollo 11. The level of minutae is staggering.
| 126 |
davinvalkri Tue, May 12, 2009 12:31:33am |
re: #123 gmsc
Quick – which Dr. Seuss book used the lowest amount of different words?
Easy. Green Eggs and Ham?
| 127 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:31:38am |
"On the dance floor half a dozen couples were throwing themselves around with the reckless abandon of a night watchman with arthritis."
| 128 |
zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:32:07am |
re: #117 davinvalkri
Dammit. That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.
There's the usual answer! Didn't notice until now.
And your prize is...nothing, because that's wrong.
| 129 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 12:32:29am |
re: #124 zombie
Strange how no one has yet given the far-and-away most common answer (which is also incorrect, even so).
Because lizards are smarter than the average bipedal opposable thumb primate? ;)
| 131 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:32:40am |
"Then he picked the glass up and tasted it and sighed again and shook his head sideways with a half smile; the way a man does when you give him a drink and he needs it very badly and it is just right and the first swallow is like a peek into a cleaner, sunnier, brighter world." " ---The High Window (Chapter 15)
| 132 |
Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 12:32:41am |
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, May 12, 2009 12:32:43am |
re: #91 zombie
And this is my favorite trivia question of all time. So far, I have never encountered someone who got it right:
What were the first words ever spoken on the moon?
"Contact light" ?
| 134 |
gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 12:32:59am |
re: #126 davinvalkri
Easy. Green Eggs and Ham?
Yep - only 50 different words are used in that book!
Now for the tough part – How many of the 50 different words in Green Eggs and Ham can you name in 10 minutes?
| 135 |
davinvalkri Tue, May 12, 2009 12:33:14am |
re: #128 zombie
There's the usual answer! Didn't notice until now.
And your prize is...nothing, because that's wrong.
Wah!
| 136 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:33:32am |
re: #130 buzzsawmonkey
First one you've posted I don't recognize. Which story?
"---Playback (Chapter 8)
sorry: this page has the attributes.... i just missed that one.
| 137 |
zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:34:43am |
re: #125 FurryOldGuyJeans
First words spoken when some part of the LM touched the lunar surface was "Contact Light".
Ding ding ding! We have a (sorta) winnah!
To get the full 25 gold stars you have to tell me who said it (the easy part) and the full complete sentence, not just the first two words of the sentence.
| 138 |
IslandLibertarian Tue, May 12, 2009 12:35:08am |
re: #120 buzzsawmonkey
My favorite Wilson shows two guys in a diner with the sign "EAT" on the roof out on an open plain with a huge monster climbing over the mountains in the distance, and one guy is saying "I hope it can't read."...........
Zombie- "Power off."?
| 140 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:36:14am |
"I'm an occasional drinker, the kind of guy who goes out for a beer and wakes up in Singapore with a full beard." --"The King in Yellow"
| 142 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 12:37:17am |
re: #137 zombie
Ding ding ding! We have a (sorta) winnah!
To get the full 25 gold stars you have to tell me who said it (the easy part) and the full complete sentence, not just the first two words of the sentence.
Well, Aldrin of course, since he was LM pilot. But he didn't actually pilot it, he nursemaided and assisted Armstrong, who was doing the actually piloting.
| 143 |
davinvalkri Tue, May 12, 2009 12:37:37am |
re: #140 redc1c4
"I'm an occasional drinker, the kind of guy who goes out for a beer and wakes up in Singapore with a full beard." --"The King in Yellow"
I WEAR NO MASK!
| 144 |
gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 12:37:44am |
re: #140 redc1c4
"I'm an occasional drinker, the kind of guy who goes out for a beer and wakes up in Singapore with a full beard." --"The King in Yellow"
"Do you only drink on auspicious occasions? Like sundown?"
-Harry Anderson
| 145 |
zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:38:02am |
re: #142 FurryOldGuyJeans
Well, Aldrin of course, since he was LM pilot. But he didn't actually pilot it, he nursemaided and assisted Armstrong, who was doing the actually piloting.
Correct on the first half: It was Buzz Aldrin. But what was the full statement?
| 146 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:38:32am |
"Across the street somebody had delirium tremens in the front yard and a mixed quartet tore what was left of the night into small strips and did what they could to make the strips miserable. While this was going on the exotic brunette didn't move more that one eyelash."--"Red Wind" (Section 5)
| 147 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 12:38:55am |
re: #139 zombie
See comment #137. You were second to the wire.
Aldrin: "Contact Light"
Armstrong: "Shutdown"
Aldrin: "Okay, Engine Stop"
Then
Armstrong: "Houston, Tranquility Base Here. The Eagle has Landed."
| 148 |
gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 12:38:56am |
"They sent a sample of this drink to the lab. A note came back saying, 'Your horse has diabetes'."
-Harry Anderson
| 149 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:39:15am |
"The corridor which led to it had a smell of old carpet and furniture oil and the drab anonymity of a thousand shabby lives"
| 150 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:39:55am |
"I needed a drink, I needed a lot of life insurance, I needed a vacation, I needed a home in the country. What I had was a coat, a hat and a gun."
| 151 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 12:40:11am |
re: #145 zombie
Correct on the first half: It was Buzz Aldrin. But what was the full statement?
Um, "Contact Light" WAS the full statement by Aldrin. These guys were test pilots, so not a lot of words got said.
| 152 |
gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 12:40:12am |
re: #144 gmsc
"Do you only drink on auspicious occasions? Like sundown?"
-Harry Anderson
Correction:
"Are you a drinking man? I don't mean all the time, but on auspicious occasions? Like Sundown?"
-Harry Blackstone, Jr.
| 153 |
IslandLibertarian Tue, May 12, 2009 12:40:31am |
re: #150 redc1c4
It was a stark and dormy night............
| 154 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, May 12, 2009 12:41:22am |
Loving these quotes but I have faded out, lizards. Have a great day everybody!
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:41:27am |
re: #147 FurryOldGuyJeans
Aldrin: "Contact Light"
Armstrong: "Shutdown"
Aldrin: "Okay, Engine Stop"Then
Armstrong: "Houston, Tranquility Base Here. The Eagle has Landed."
Getting very very close. But not quite. Still a bit missing.
| 156 |
davinvalkri Tue, May 12, 2009 12:41:30am |
re: #153 IslandLibertarian
It was a stark and dormy night............
Sounds like where I'm living now.
| 158 |
gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 12:42:03am |
"It was raining in the city by the bay. A hard rain. Hard enough to wash the slime out of the streets and back into the holes they crawled out of..."
| 159 |
gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 12:42:22am |
re: #154 Pvt Bin Jammin
Loving these quotes but I have faded out, lizards. Have a great day everybody!
G'Nite, PBJ!
| 160 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:42:34am |
re: #155 zombie
Getting very very close. But not quite. Still a bit missing.
it was 40 years ago..... who cares?
/ancient history
| 161 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, May 12, 2009 12:43:23am |
re: #159 gmsc
Nite. I hate to leave all of these quotes. Makes me want to be a writer.
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:43:40am |
re: #151 FurryOldGuyJeans
Um, "Contact Light" WAS the full statement by Aldrin. These guys were test pilots, so not a lot of words got said.
Depending on who's doing the transcribing, his statement is often rendered as a single sentence.
| 163 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:43:46am |
re: #158 gmsc
"It was raining in the city by the bay. A hard rain. Hard enough to wash the slime out of the streets and back into the holes they crawled out of..."
then there'd be no city.......
not that its really big enough to be called a city anyway.
| 164 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:44:29am |
re: #161 Pvt Bin Jammin
Nite. I hate to leave all of these quotes. Makes me want to be a writer.
i'll email you the links, so i don't irritate the locals.
| 166 |
gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 12:44:44am |
re: #161 Pvt Bin Jammin
Nite. I hate to leave all of these quotes. Makes me want to be a writer.
"I can read writin' when it's writ, but I can't read writin' when it's wrote, and this writin's wroten rotten!"
-Popeye, Ali Baba and his 40 Thieves
| 167 |
davinvalkri Tue, May 12, 2009 12:44:55am |
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:45:12am |
OK, unless someone stops me, I'll reveal the full answer in exactly one minute...
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gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 12:46:05am |
re: #163 redc1c4
then there'd be no city.......
not that its really big enough to be called a city anyway.
Are you questioning one of the better known Dixon Hill novels?
| 170 |
eddiespaghetti Tue, May 12, 2009 12:47:47am |
To coin the old adage:
There are old pilots, there are bold pilots, but there are no old/bold pilots...
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:48:15am |
And the answer to the question "What were the first words ever spoken on the moon?" is:
“Contact light, OK, engine stop, ACA out of detent,” said by Buzz Aldrin.
(As Furry said above, Armstong said "Shutdown" in the middle of it.)
| 172 |
gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 12:48:16am |
"Zombies from all parts of the island
Some of them are great Calypsonians
Since the season was carnival
They got together in bacchanal"
| 173 |
davinvalkri Tue, May 12, 2009 12:50:12am |
re: #170 eddiespaghetti
Yikes! Was the pilot alright?
Was the problem getting enough speed to get the lift? There were a few frames that suggested there was something wrong with the engine...
| 174 |
zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:51:51am |
re: #172 gmsc
"Zombies from all parts of the island
Some of them are great Calypsonians
Since the season was carnival
They got together in bacchanal"
[Video]
My theme song!
(Though that version is, uh, hmmmm, not what I was thinking of when I made it my theme song.)
| 175 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:52:09am |
re: #169 gmsc
Are you questioning one of the better known Dixon Hill novels?
no, i'm mocking Frisco.
| 176 |
eddiespaghetti Tue, May 12, 2009 12:53:59am |
re: #173 davinvalkri
No, definitely not, that what is called in the 'bizz', the Sabre-dance...
| 177 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:54:42am |
re: #173 davinvalkri
Yikes! Was the pilot alright?
Was the problem getting enough speed to get the lift? There were a few frames that suggested there was something wrong with the engine...
from the film, no the pilot didn't get out. IIRC that was before the advent of 0/0 ejection seats that could save you even at 0 feet AGL or 0 knots IAS.
has to do with the rockets that were available, amongst other things.
| 178 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 12:56:19am |
re: #155 zombie
Getting very very close. But not quite. Still a bit missing.
If you are referring to the LM shutdown exchange, that was not the FIRST words spoken.
The audio feed from the astronauts is very garbled at times, so there are parts that had to be explained during the post mission debrief.
| 179 |
gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 12:56:27am |
re: #174 zombie
My theme song!
(Though that version is, uh, hmmmm, not what I was thinking of when I made it my theme song.)
More of a Kingston Trio-type Zombie are you?
| 180 |
zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 12:57:33am |
re: #179 gmsc
More of a Kingston Trio-type Zombie are you?
More of a Mighty Charmer-type zombie, actually!
| 181 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 12:58:50am |
re: #162 zombie
Depending on who's doing the transcribing, his statement is often rendered as a single sentence.
I'm going directly from the official audio feed, so no transcribing.
I spent considerable time when I was in the Navy dealing with naval aviators and pilots, so the clipped back and forth exchange is SOP.
| 182 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 12:59:42am |
re: #181 FurryOldGuyJeans
I'm going directly from the official audio feed, so no transcribing.
I spent considerable time when I was in the Navy dealing with naval aviators and pilots, so the clipped back and forth exchange is SOP.
carrier landings *not* being the time to wax poetic.... %-)
| 183 |
zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 1:00:32am |
re: #181 FurryOldGuyJeans
I'm going directly from the official audio feed, so no transcribing.
I spent considerable time when I was in the Navy dealing with naval aviators and pilots, so the clipped back and forth exchange is SOP.
Huh. Well, I got it from some kind of official transcript. Long ago. Forget where, exactly. I don't have the actual audio in front of me.
| 184 |
Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 1:01:17am |
So this is the $350 000.00 picture that scared half of NYC Shitless. Air Force One Scaring New York from the Other Side
| 185 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 1:01:31am |
re: #171 zombie
And the answer to the question "What were the first words ever spoken on the moon?" is:
“Contact light, OK, engine stop, ACA out of detent,” said by Buzz Aldrin.
(As Furry said above, Armstong said "Shutdown" in the middle of it.)
And that by the proper protocol used by test pilots is not accurate, that is 3 separate statements. Aldrin was informing Armstrong what the LM was doing after Armstrong issued directives.
| 189 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 1:02:32am |
re: #183 zombie
Huh. Well, I got it from some kind of official transcript. Long ago. Forget where, exactly. I don't have the actual audio in front of me.
I am at this very moment am listening to the official audio feed. ;)
| 190 |
BatGuano Tue, May 12, 2009 1:03:03am |
| 191 |
Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 1:03:43am |
| 192 |
zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 1:03:57am |
re: #185 FurryOldGuyJeans
And that by the proper protocol used by test pilots is not accurate, that is 3 separate statements. Aldrin was informing Armstrong what the LM was doing after Armstrong issued directives.
Ah well, all I can say is I copied it verbatim from some kind of "official" transcript! But you're right, it could very well be rendered as three separate sentences:
“Contact light. OK, engine stop. ACA out of detent."
| 193 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 1:04:16am |
re: #184 Erik The Red
So this is the $350 000.00 picture that scared half of NYC Shitless. Air Force One Scaring New York from the Other Side
AoSHQ has a different version here.
| 194 |
zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 1:04:50am |
re: #189 FurryOldGuyJeans
I am at this very moment am listening to the official audio feed. ;)
Excellent!
In any event, the 25 gold stars go to:
FurryOldGuyJeans!
Congratulations!
| 195 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 1:05:48am |
re: #194 zombie
Excellent!
In any event, the 25 gold stars go to:
FurryOldGuyJeans!
Congratulations!
that's not fair! we should all get 25 gold stars........
| 197 |
eddiespaghetti Tue, May 12, 2009 1:06:58am |
re: #184 Erik The Red
And these guys are reaping the bennies of the Obama flyby. Timing is a mofo. Usually we are cleared for flybys of sporting events for 'recruiting' purposes. Not to mention, its pretty f-n cool. Who hasn't been to a big sporting event and had the tingles after the national anthem when the jets roar overhead?
| 198 |
Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 1:07:03am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 1:08:07am |
re: #192 zombie
Ah well, all I can say is I copied it verbatim from some kind of "official" transcript! But you're right, it could very well be rendered as three separate sentences:
“Contact light. OK, engine stop. ACA out of detent."
They were 3 separate statements. The person who transcribed it apparently had no clue about test pilot command protocol, and as I can attest, had to deal with an audio feed that had large chunks obscured or complete occluded with static.
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IslandLibertarian Tue, May 12, 2009 1:09:14am |
re: #181 FurryOldGuyJeans
I'm going directly from the official audio feed, so no transcribing.
I spent considerable time when I was in the Navy dealing with naval aviators and pilots, so the clipped back and forth exchange is SOP.
I was in Range Operations Bravo, Bldg 105, PMRF Hawaii listening while a target drone pilot, a radar tech and a Marine Phantom pilot conversed:
Pilot: I have a lock but still cant see the target.
Tech: I have the target.
Pilot: Can you smoke the drone?
Drone pilot: Smoking drone.
Pilot: I see it. YEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWW! Fire one!
Strangelove moment.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 1:09:52am |
re: #195 redc1c4
that's not fair! we should all get 25 gold stars........
Here, take 'em, I don't need 'em ;)
I just liked an excuse to watch/listen to the landing audio again.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 1:11:06am |
re: #200 IslandLibertarian
I was in Range Operations Bravo, Bldg 105, PMRF Hawaii listening while a target drone pilot, a radar tech and a Marine Phantom pilot conversed:
Pilot: I have a lock but still cant see the target.
Tech: I have the target.
Pilot: Can you smoke the drone?
Drone pilot: Smoking drone.
Pilot: I see it. YEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWW! Fire one!Strangelove moment.
Marines make for some weird pilots. ;)
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 1:11:55am |
re: #201 FurryOldGuyJeans
Here, take 'em, I don't need 'em ;)
I just liked an excuse to watch/listen to the landing audio again.
no, no, no...... Zombie has to give *all* lizards 25 gold stars each, just to be fair.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 1:12:36am |
re: #202 FurryOldGuyJeans
Marines make for some weird pilots. ;)
weird everything, in my experience.
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IslandLibertarian Tue, May 12, 2009 1:14:16am |
re: #204 redc1c4
Aussie fly-boys by far the craziest.
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 1:15:51am |
re: #203 redc1c4
no, no, no...... Zombie has to give *all* lizards 25 gold stars each, just to be fair.
Just for saying that, I'm deducting 25 gold stars from you, and 10 stars from everyone else, just so they all resent you.
Welcome to the real world. Now sit in the corner and ponder what you did wrong.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 1:16:35am |
re: #194 zombie
Excellent!
In any event, the 25 gold stars go to:
FurryOldGuyJeans!
Congratulations!
The audio feed (on DVD) have has 4 separate voice tracks, with another track combining all 4 separate tracks:
a. Voice recorder onboard Eagle
b. Air to ground and public affairs
c. Flight director's loop
d. Lunar module controller's loop
Listening to the combined track, and trying to make sense of it all, is HARD! ;)
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IslandLibertarian Tue, May 12, 2009 1:17:34am |
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 1:19:10am |
re: #207 zombie
Just for saying that, I'm deducting 25 gold stars from you, and 10 stars from everyone else, just so they all resent you.
Welcome to the real world. Now sit in the corner and ponder what you did wrong.
/me sues, wins and gets all the gold stars while Zombie is reduced to guest judging Dancing with the Stars and occasionally appearing in horror pr0n dvds
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 1:19:24am |
re: #209 FurryOldGuyJeans
The audio feed (on DVD) have has 4 separate voice tracks, with another track combining all 4 separate tracks:
a. Voice recorder onboard Eagle
b. Air to ground and public affairs
c. Flight director's loop
d. Lunar module controller's loopListening to the combined track, and trying to make sense of it all, is HARD! ;)
Yeah, I was wondering how there could be a "single" audio track, since there were several different guys talking into several different microphones, all in different locations. And then of course there is the loooooong delay between what is spoken on the moon and when it is actually heard on Earth. As you said, it was very confusing.
No matter how you glue it all together, it can only approximate what happened.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 1:20:27am |
re: #209 FurryOldGuyJeans
The audio feed (on DVD) have has 4 separate voice tracks, with another track combining all 4 separate tracks:
a. Voice recorder onboard Eagle
b. Air to ground and public affairs
c. Flight director's loop
d. Lunar module controller's loopListening to the combined track, and trying to make sense of it all, is HARD! ;)
if you say so, Barbie. %-)
/white smoke
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 1:21:10am |
re: #211 redc1c4
/me sues, wins and gets all the gold stars while Zombie is reduced to guest judging Dancing with the Stars and occasionally appearing in horror pr0n dvds
Hey, that's my day job already, so no big deal. I'm used to it. "Tentacle rape" is my speciality.
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IslandLibertarian Tue, May 12, 2009 1:22:17am |
shit zombie, now you've brought back memories of nuns, demerits, silver stars, gold stars, rulers, Sister Clarice (she used an architects scale). sleep will be rough tonight.
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haakondahl Tue, May 12, 2009 1:22:30am |
re: #84 redc1c4
“Would you convey my compliments to the purist who reads your proofs and tell him or her that I write in a sort of broken-down patois which is something like the way a Swiss waiter talks, and that when I split an infinitive, God damn it, I split it so it will stay split, and when I interrupt the velvety smoothness of my more or less literate syntax with a few sudden words of bar-room vernacular, that is done with the eyes wide open and the mind relaxed but attentive.”
Indeed. If you cannot explain a complicated thing in simple terms, then you have not proven that you understand that thing. I think that this is closely connected to the idea of learning through teaching. Anybody can throw jargon around, encrypting the content, if you will. De-crypting requires real understanding.
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zombie Tue, May 12, 2009 1:25:33am |
re: #215 IslandLibertarian
shit zombie, now you've brought back memories of nuns, demerits, silver stars, gold stars, rulers, Sister Clarice (she used an architects scale). sleep will be rough tonight.
I had a teacher in public school who used to smack us on the knuckles with a ruler, not for the crime of misbehaving, but for simply getting an answer wrong.
Needless to say, if a teacher did that nowadays, she'd end up in jail.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 1:27:13am |
Does NASA have a live link to the shuttle? If one of you kind Lizards has it please point me in the right direction. Thanks
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eddiespaghetti Tue, May 12, 2009 1:28:11am |
re: #205 IslandLibertarian
One of the better low fly-by's I have seen. By the French, no less...
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 1:28:54am |
re: #214 zombie
Hey, that's my day job already, so no big deal. I'm used to it. "Tentacle rape" is my speciality.
this time you'll be catching......
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 1:30:52am |
re: #210 IslandLibertarian
we don' need no steenkin' gold stars.
whimper...........
re: #212 zombie
Yeah, I was wondering how there could be a "single" audio track, since there were several different guys talking into several different microphones, all in different locations. And then of course there is the loooooong delay between what is spoken on the moon and when it is actually heard on Earth. As you said, it was very confusing.
No matter how you glue it all together, it can only approximate what happened.
The separate tracks are 2 channel mono while the combined is 5.1 surround. It is weird hearing the separate channels coming from different parts of the room.
For the space buff lizards I really recommend you check out Spacecraft Films.
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eddiespaghetti Tue, May 12, 2009 1:31:52am |
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, May 12, 2009 1:33:53am |
If you want details of the A11 landing there's a good transcript page here that's full up with footnotes, and even full-length video and photographs. There's an old 16MB quicktime (in QT3 format!) of the 16mm landing film running at the original six frames per second, synched up with the audio.
[Link: history.nasa.gov...]
I googled for "Apollo 11 transcript" because it was driving me nuts that I didn't recall what else was said after "contact light".
If you want to get nit-picky, the contact probes extended over a yard below the LM's feet. According to the transcript the first word spoken while fully landed on the Moon's surface was Armstrong saying "Shutdown" to Aldrin.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 1:34:48am |
re: #222 eddiespaghetti
Thanks I had just found that same link :)
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eddiespaghetti Tue, May 12, 2009 1:36:41am |
Lefty Douche reruns vs. "impartial" CNN news. Who wins?
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eddiespaghetti Tue, May 12, 2009 1:38:22am |
re: #224 Erik The Red
It is the shizzle if u can hook it up to a wide screen TV. Great service provided by NASA, thank high speed intertubes and a smart PR person...
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IslandLibertarian Tue, May 12, 2009 1:41:14am |
re: #219 eddiespaghetti
I've seen low fly byes, touch and goes, but that's the edgiest.
Best I've seen live, two F-111s wings swept back, mach 1.sumpthin' making a mock bomb run on Range Ops, chaff falling, ECM of every sort, ear splitting ground shaking......and last Friday I'm in a train station in Jomo-Kogen and the Express Shinkansen bullet train ripped through............man I love that stuff.
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TedStriker Tue, May 12, 2009 1:43:42am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 12, 2009 1:44:08am |
re: #223 Pawn of the Oppressor
If you want details of the A11 landing there's a good transcript page here that's full up with footnotes, and even full-length video and photographs. There's an old 16MB quicktime (in QT3 format!) of the 16mm landing film running at the original six frames per second, synched up with the audio.
[Link: history.nasa.gov...]
I googled for "Apollo 11 transcript" because it was driving me nuts that I didn't recall what else was said after "contact light".
If you want to get nit-picky, the contact probes extended over a yard below the LM's feet. According to the transcript the first word spoken while fully landed on the Moon's surface was Armstrong saying "Shutdown" to Aldrin.
Yet if you hear the audio from the debrief even Armstrong and Aldrin had no clue exactly when the pads touched down, the engines might have still been running when they landed.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 1:46:50am |
Hey how cool is this. The Shuttle crew gets its wake up call the same time as lol's fruitcup. Make some extra lol for outer space fruitcup.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 1:50:37am |
re: #230 Erik The Red
Hey how cool is this. The Shuttle crew gets its wake up call the same time as lol's fruitcup. Make some extra lol for outer space fruitcup.
then they'll *really* be spaced out......
/heads for the frig
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 1:55:33am |
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IslandLibertarian Tue, May 12, 2009 1:58:42am |
re: #233 redc1c4
I tried to not think of that while we were on board......and when passing an opposite direction bound train........disturbing.........
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 1:59:33am |
re: #237 IslandLibertarian
I tried to not think of that while we were on board......and when passing an opposite direction bound train........disturbing.........
you might not even notice, or, certainly, not for long......
/uplifting thoughts r' us!
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littleoldlady Tue, May 12, 2009 2:00:10am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 2:00:42am |
my PC is two seconds deviated from LGF norm.... i shall send it for reeducation.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, May 12, 2009 2:01:16am |
re: #227 IslandLibertarian
Haven't had the chance to see the Sinkansen in person, but I had a similar experience in Suwon, S. Korea a few years ago. The station was pretty big, and there was this yellow fence seperating the middle tracks from the other platforms. The fence had a row of red beacons on top of them, and just as I was wondering what they were for, they started to light up and a siren started to blare. Rushing through the middle platforms was a Saemaul-Ho express passenger train at a good 60MPH
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UncleRancher Tue, May 12, 2009 2:01:24am |
re: #241 littleoldlady
Refreshing, sweet and delisch! How do you do it?
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littleoldlady Tue, May 12, 2009 2:03:06am |
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eddiespaghetti Tue, May 12, 2009 2:03:23am |
re: #238 redc1c4
Back for fruitcup, now out. Should settle well on the couch tonight!
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IslandLibertarian Tue, May 12, 2009 2:03:46am |
re: #239 redc1c4
with your help, all my childhood traumas have faded away.......into nightmares of current travel events........(thinking about it while sitting next to the window with a train 2 feet away going 150MPH in the opposite direction, I figured it would be over in a flash).......
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 2:04:01am |
re: #243 Fenway_Nation
Haven't had the chance to see the Sinkansen in person, but I had a similar experience in Suwon, S. Korea a few years ago. The station was pretty big, and there was this yellow fence seperating the middle tracks from the other platforms. The fence had a row of red beacons on top of them, and just as I was wondering what they were for, they started to light up and a siren started to blare. Rushing through the middle platforms was a Saemaul-Ho express passenger train at a good 60MPH
have you ever seen a freight train at full speed from just a few feet (2-4) and at wheel level at night, with the sparks flying off the rails? scared the crap out of me & my brother as a kid....
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haakondahl Tue, May 12, 2009 2:04:22am |
re: #233 redc1c4
nice looking train....
but if it ever fails at speed..... ugly.
Like a lot of things.
/
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 2:05:01am |
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 2:05:15am |
re: #249 IslandLibertarian
with your help, all my childhood traumas have faded away.......into nightmares of current travel events........(thinking about it while sitting next to the window with a train 2 feet away going 150MPH in the opposite direction, I figured it would be over in a flash).......
"chaos, panic, disorder..... my w*rk here is done." %-)
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UncleRancher Tue, May 12, 2009 2:05:40am |
I've been saving this one for you:
A guy is driving around the back woods of Montana and he sees a sign in front of a broken-down shanty: 'Talking Dog For Sale ' He rings the bell and the owner appears and tells him the dog is in the backyard.
The guy goes into an equally broken-down backyard and sees a nice looking Labrador retriever sitting there.
'You talk?' he asks.
'Yep,' the Lab replies.
After the guy recovers from the shock of hearing a dog talk, he says 'So, what's your story?'
The Lab looks up and says, 'Well, I discovered that I could talk when I was young. I wanted to help the government, so I told the CIA. In no time at all they had me jetting from country to country, sitting in rooms with spies and world leaders, because no one figured a dog would be eavesdropping.'
'I was one of their most valuable spies for eight years running. But the jetting around really tired me out, and I knew I wasn't getting any younger so I decided to settle down. I signed up for a job at the airport to do some undercover security, wandering near suspicious characters and listening in. I uncovered some incredible dealings and was awarded a batch of medals.'
'I got married, had a mess of puppies, and now I'm just retired.'
The guy is amazed. He goes back in and asks the owner what he wants for the dog.
'Ten dollars,' the guy says.
Ten dollars? This dog is amazing! Why on earth are you selling him so cheap?'
'Because he's such a liar.... He never did any of that shit!'
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Pass The Moonbaticide Tue, May 12, 2009 2:05:41am |
re: #241 littleoldlady
Ah , I was about to post wondering where LittleOldLady and our Meds Fruitcup was.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 2:05:55am |
re: #252 Erik The Red
{lol} Thanks. Just in time for the Shuttle wake up.
they'll need a nap to sleep it off afterward..... %-)
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littleoldlady Tue, May 12, 2009 2:06:02am |
Erik! :-)
I had a better picture, but when I tried to link it it turned out to be "Forbidden Fruit". ;-)
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IslandLibertarian Tue, May 12, 2009 2:06:45am |
re: #253 redc1c4
"chaos, panic, disorder..... my w*rk here is done." %-)
and my therapists will never end.........
/not!
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littleoldlady Tue, May 12, 2009 2:07:24am |
Pass The Moonbaticide! :-)
I AM STANDING UP! ;-)
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 2:07:36am |
re: #258 littleoldlady
Erik! :-)
I had a better picture, but when I tried to link it it turned out to be "Forbidden Fruit". ;-)
I don't mind "Forbidden Fruit" every once in a while. :)
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haakondahl Tue, May 12, 2009 2:08:11am |
re: #237 IslandLibertarian
I tried to not think of that while we were on board......and when passing an opposite direction bound train........disturbing.........
For travel on the Miura Peninsula, I greatly prefer KeiKyu to JR. The trains go faster. That said, every time I pass another "green" (green kanji) train, I recall a story about two trains passing each other and the resulting intense low pressure between them blowing the windows *out* of both trains, and naturally into the passengers aboard the other train.
Shudder.
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Pass The Moonbaticide Tue, May 12, 2009 2:08:56am |
re: #260 littleoldlady
No need to salute just because I'm a Scotsman !
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Fenway_Nation Tue, May 12, 2009 2:09:57am |
re: #250 redc1c4
I've seen 'em from that close, but not fast enough for sparks.
The railways around where I grew up were infamous for deferred maintenence.
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IslandLibertarian Tue, May 12, 2009 2:10:50am |
re: #257 Fenway_Nation
Oh. I'll NEVER think of it, not even after seeing the PICTURES with the story you linked. No. Won't ever be an issue. Thanks loads. What the fuck is wheel fatigue anyway? Sounds made up.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 2:14:37am |
re: #264 Fenway_Nation
I've seen 'em from that close, but not fast enough for sparks.
The railways around where I grew up were infamous for deferred maintenence.
we were kids, down in San Juan Capistrano for the day. the Amtrak to take us back to LA was hours late (surprise) and the big freight was coming, so, being train buffs we were thrilled. we were behind the yellow line, and the train blew by at a great rate of knots.... we couldn't scramble away fast enough. it felt like we were going to be sucked into it.
never looked at trains the same way again.
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Pass The Moonbaticide Tue, May 12, 2009 2:15:16am |
BTW I'm half way through an audiobook of Atlas Shrugged at the moment.
The full , unabridged , original versioin !
I have heard so much about this work that I had to hear the original.
I know enough that there is a world of differerence between the 1959s work and the lamentable website of that name now.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 2:16:24am |
re: #265 IslandLibertarian
Oh. I'll NEVER think of it, not even after seeing the PICTURES with the story you linked. No. Won't ever be an issue. Thanks loads. What the fuck is wheel fatigue anyway? Sounds made up.
read the details at the bottom. i liked the part where the passenger reports a piece of metal coming up through the floor and the conductor insists he needs to ascertain the problem before stopping the train. i'd have pulled the handle and told everyone to GFT if there'd been any bitching, but then again, i'm not German.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 2:18:07am |
i'm for bed.... i find out sometime in the daylight today if i got admitted to the paralegal program i applied for, so think good thoughts for me, if y'all would.
hasta y'all.....
L8r!
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IslandLibertarian Tue, May 12, 2009 2:18:47am |
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 2:18:59am |
re: #269 redc1c4
i'm for bed.... i find out sometime in the daylight today if i got admitted to the paralegal program i applied for, so think good thoughts for me, if y'all would.
hasta y'all.....
L8r!
Night red and good luck.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, May 12, 2009 2:18:59am |
re: #265 IslandLibertarian
Cracks and stress in the metal wheel. Not the end of the world on a boxcar or flatcar that doesn't move much faster than 60 MPH....new wheels can be swapped out the next time it's in the yard or even on the road. However, it's very problematic on a high speed passenger train that routinely goes three times as fast.
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littleoldlady Tue, May 12, 2009 2:19:01am |
re: #267 Pass The Moonbaticide
I think she calls her site "Atlas Shrugs". But yes, you are right. No comparison between the book and that site.
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IslandLibertarian Tue, May 12, 2009 2:21:32am |
re: #272 Fenway_Nation
I knew that but if I pretend there's no such thing, well, it's all good, like in "0" land.
Time to get over the jet lag. Heading for the headphones and bed.
"nite 'tiles.
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BatGuano Tue, May 12, 2009 2:21:51am |
re: #267 Pass The Moonbaticide
Good for you. I bought my wife the audio book for Christmas and she is about three quarters through it. I had read it earlier and she became interested. Atlas Shrugs has nothing to do with it.
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UncleRancher Tue, May 12, 2009 2:22:17am |
re: #269 redc1c4
i'm for bed.... i find out sometime in the daylight today if i got admitted to the paralegal program i applied for, so think good thoughts for me, if y'all would.
hasta y'all.....
L8r!
Gotcha covered here. You can do it!
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UncleRancher Tue, May 12, 2009 2:27:14am |
It's time for some shut-eye. I got the onions and pumpkins planted Saturday. Tomorrow (later today) it's corn, tomatoes and peppers.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, May 12, 2009 2:27:28am |
I greet you, superior Lizardoids!
Now playing on board the 127th Emperor Hetto*:
Irodori-Kodo
Voice of an Angel- Charlotte Church
*Bannership of the Conquest Fleet, and Kirel's lair; for the benefit of any benighted Big Uglies who might be unfamiliar with Turtledove's World War series.
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Pass The Moonbaticide Tue, May 12, 2009 2:29:18am |
re: #273 littleoldlady
Thank you .
I'm on part 151 ... of 332 ! The work is a masterpiece, as far as I can see. The theme of the part I'm currently on is that all profit is both evil and will be compulsory confiscated by the State !
Nothing new under the sun there !
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littleoldlady Tue, May 12, 2009 2:32:02am |
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Pass The Moonbaticide Tue, May 12, 2009 2:32:58am |
re: #276 BatGuano
I doubt if it's the same version. I'm on an absolutely enormous audio version : The 332 parts are EACH about 10 minutes long.
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haakondahl Tue, May 12, 2009 2:38:07am |
re: #273 littleoldlady
I think she calls her site "Atlas Shrugs". But yes, you are right. No comparison between the book and that site.
Some clever folk have taken to calling it Atlas Shrieks.
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BatGuano Tue, May 12, 2009 2:38:30am |
re: #282 Pass The Moonbaticide
It's the Blackstone unabridged version version.
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littleoldlady Tue, May 12, 2009 2:39:41am |
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Pass The Moonbaticide Tue, May 12, 2009 2:39:44am |
re: #279 Shiplord Kirel
It is we who are prostrate, Oh Mighty One !
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Fenway_Nation Tue, May 12, 2009 2:41:19am |
re: #283 haakondahl
While others refer to it as Atlas Juggs...
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Pass The Moonbaticide Tue, May 12, 2009 2:42:10am |
re: #284 BatGuano
It might be the same one, then.
I got mine from (whists guiltily) BitTorrent . I'm currently 'seeding' , BTW
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BatGuano Tue, May 12, 2009 2:44:00am |
re: #289 Pass The Moonbaticide
Her Brother in-law did the same thing lol.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 12, 2009 2:48:32am |
re: #286 Pass The Moonbaticide
It is we who are prostrate, Oh Mighty One !
I don't believe you really are prostrate. We'll have to verify that, with a prostrate exam.
Good morning to all, from Buenos Aires.
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littleoldlady Tue, May 12, 2009 2:50:49am |
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Fenway_Nation Tue, May 12, 2009 2:51:02am |
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freetoken Tue, May 12, 2009 2:57:22am |
re: #292 littleoldlady
Was afraid to click that link... given OR's humor, I thought this might be coming:
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littleoldlady Tue, May 12, 2009 2:58:57am |
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 12, 2009 3:03:33am |
re: #293 Fenway_Nation
Whereabouts? Recoltea?
And be honest...is the air really that good?
No, I'm in the airport, awaiting a connecting flight.
And the Aires in this city are rarely all that Buenos...
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Fenway_Nation Tue, May 12, 2009 3:08:13am |
G'nite lizards...don't have to work today, but I do have some errands to run.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 12, 2009 3:08:52am |
COME ON YOU LAZY LIZARDS, OUTTA THE RACK! FIVE MILE RUN, THEN SOME CALISTHENICS!
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littleoldlady Tue, May 12, 2009 3:09:21am |
'Night, Fenway! :-)
I'm trying to extricate my butt from this chair, too...
/Errands 'R Us™
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irish rose Tue, May 12, 2009 3:11:54am |
Good morning, lizards... joining you after a long, dreary night of insomnia.
I hate it when I can't sleep.
Speaking of Geller, Daniel Koffler over at Jewcy is calling for Pamela Geller to be shunned (I blogged about it yesterday).
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irish rose Tue, May 12, 2009 3:12:42am |
re: #300 Occasional Reader
COME ON YOU LAZY LIZARDS, OUTTA THE RACK! FIVE MILE RUN, THEN SOME CALISTHENICS!
... piss off :).
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rightside Tue, May 12, 2009 3:18:53am |
re: #304 irish rose
Hey Rose,
Looks like you got your blog fixed, at least it looks ok for me here at home. What was it?
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Scorch Tue, May 12, 2009 3:26:29am |
Good morning ladies and gents.
Looks like the overnight crew was busy.
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callahan23 Tue, May 12, 2009 3:42:02am |
A very good morning to you Lizardim.
{goddess}
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, May 12, 2009 3:44:02am |
If I may be excused a little personal preening here:
I got up bright and early Saturday morning to go to the Texas Tech graduation ceremony and see my little munchkin receive her doctorate. She's 27 now, stands 6'1", and is a doctor of science but she'll always be my baby girl. Her mom couldn't be there to see it- she passed away 10 years ago, but I like to think she was looking down on us and smiling in pride right along with me.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 12, 2009 3:48:52am |
re: #304 irish rose
... piss off :).
IS THERE SOMETHING YOU'D RATHER BE DOING THAN MARCHING UP AND DOWN THE FIELD?!
(apologies to Monty Python crew)
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goddessoftheclassroom Tue, May 12, 2009 3:49:08am |
re: #311 Shiplord Kirel
{Shiplord Kirel}
How wonderful. Congratulations.
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callahan23 Tue, May 12, 2009 3:52:40am |
re: #311 Shiplord Kirel
Wonderful. Congratulations {Shiplord Kirel} You must be some proud Lizard.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 12, 2009 3:53:56am |
re: #311 Shiplord Kirel
She's 27 now, stands 6'1", and is a doctor of science
Creation science, right?
/
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callahan23 Tue, May 12, 2009 3:56:15am |
re: #316 Occasional Reader
Creation science, right?
/
You better run zigzag, duck and take cover.
/ Taking a look-out post myself. ;-)
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Scorch Tue, May 12, 2009 3:56:56am |
Was happy to see a successful launch of this shuttle mission. Don't know how long they can keep the hubble alive but hope it's for several more years. The photos it has captured so far are fantastic.
Congratulations Shiplord Kirel to you and daughter!
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, May 12, 2009 3:58:12am |
re: #316 Occasional Reader
Creation science, right?
/
Well, her mom and I created her out of thin air, one day in 1981, but she's too highly evolved for anything but real science now.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 12, 2009 4:10:00am |
Oof!
Good Morning Lizards! Let me get my breath.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 12, 2009 4:14:01am |
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, May 12, 2009 4:15:47am |
re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wow. A doctor in the family!
What was her doctorate in?
Biochemistry (yikes!).
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 4:16:22am |
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 4:17:07am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 12, 2009 4:17:39am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 12, 2009 4:25:55am |
He snorted and hit me in the solar plexus.
I bent over and took hold of the room with both hands and spun it. When I had it nicely spinning I gave it a full swing and hit myself on the back of the head with the floor.
-The Overnight Open Thread.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 4:29:04am |
Don't know if this is just a sick coincidence but....
2007 - Chinese year of the Chicken - Bird Flu Pandemic devastates parts of
Asia
2008 - Chinese year of the Horse - Equine Influenz decimates Australian
racing
2009 - Chinese year of the Pig - Swine Flu Pandemic kills hundreds of pigs
around the globe.
Has any one else noticed this?!
It gets worse........
next year......
2010 - Chinese year of the Cock - what could possibly go wrong?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 12, 2009 4:29:59am |
re: #331 Erik The Red
Uh...somebody gonna get "Small Cox"?
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 12, 2009 4:36:22am |
re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Uh...somebody gonna get "Small Cox"?
Or the Norks launch the No Dong!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 12, 2009 4:51:20am |
re: #334 rightside
Me? You were here first and were not even bothering to do CPR on it.
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rightside Tue, May 12, 2009 4:52:23am |
re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm waiting for my card to come in, we just went through the course.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 12, 2009 4:55:19am |
re: #337 rightside
I took the course. Remember walking out thinking...if someone has a heart attack near me? I am gonna have to give them "mouth to ear".
Meaning, I will softly whisper, "Sorry. You're going to die."
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 4:57:24am |
re: #331 Erik The Red
To bad '07 was the year of the Pig tho :P
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 4:57:44am |
re: #338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I took the course. Remember walking out thinking...if someone has a heart attack near me? I am gonna have to give them "mouth to ear".
Meaning, I will softly whisper, "Sorry. You're going to die."
Note to Self.
Don't have a heart attack when FBV is the only person around.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 4:58:27am |
re: #339 rustler
Hey rustler don't mess with my email joke :)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 12, 2009 5:00:29am |
re: #340 Erik The Red
That is a good note to make to yourself.
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 5:01:25am |
re: #341 Erik The Red
But I have too. My chinese zodialogical sign is the goat and my western is the Bull so I'm just a stubborn bastard.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 5:02:57am |
re: #343 rustler
But I have too. My chinese zodialogical sign is the goat and my western is the Bull so I'm just a stubborn bastard.
My western is also the Bull. No idea what my eastern is. BD 16 May 1968. Any idea?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 12, 2009 5:03:09am |
Watched my wife give CPR for real once. (She was an instructor.) Man was dead by the time she got to him...but she worked on him for 20 minutes.
Waited until it wasn't "too soon" anymore and told her...."Well? You're 0 fer 1!"
Hence, my nic.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 5:03:49am |
There was a world famous painter who, in the prime of her career, started losing her eyesight. Fearful that she might lose her life as a painter, she went to see the best eye surgeon in the world. After several weeks of delicate surgery and therapy, her eyesight was restored.
The painter was so grateful that she decided to show her gratitude by repainting the doctor's office. Part of her work included painting a gigantic eye on one wall. When she had finished her work, she held a press conference to unveil her latest work of art: the doctor's office.
During the press conference, one reporter noticed the eye on the wall, and asked the doctor, 'What was your first reaction upon seeing your newly painted office, especially that large eye on the wall?'
To this, the eye doctor responded, 'I said to myself 'Thank the Lord, I'm not a gynecologist.'
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 12, 2009 5:08:02am |
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 5:08:38am |
re: #344 Erik The Red
Monkeys are fun and loving persons who are always cheerful and energetic. They are very clever. Give a monkey a boring book to read and he'll turn it into a Musical. Better yet, he'll invite everyone to see it free! That's how talented, creative and generous monkeys usually are.
If you go to a party, you'll find Monkeys at the center of attention. Their charm and humor is the key to their popularity. Sociable and diplomatic as they may appear, they can be deceptive sometimes - they hide their opinions of others beneath their friendliness. But they don't hide their emotion. You can probably tell how a monkey is feeling from miles away - he wants everyone to know how happy or depressed he is.Monkey people are very good at problem-solving. Wherever you are, whoever you may be, if you've got a problem pick up the phone and dial-a-Monkey. Monkeys know how to listen closely and work out solutions at the same time. And because Monkeys' curiosity, they usually have a great thirst for knowledge. Still they have few scruples - they could be unreasonable sometimes, and they have the ability to persuade themselves and everyone around them to believe that they are doing the right things. Some say monkeys are self-centered, some say they are opportunistic, some say they are guileful, but monkeys couldn't care less - because they are also indifferent.
The monkey has a good chance of becoming famous or well-known. Whatever he does, his charm and luck will make him successful. As friends, Monkeys are both loyal and devoted, as lovers, they can be passionate and yet flighty - they can fall easily in love but will get tired of the relationship and look for another.
Most Monkeys have one fetish - FOOD. They are not pigs, they don't stuff themselves with food, instead, they just have this habit of eating snacks whenever they like, and wherever they like. And one last truth about monkey people is, they adore bananas. Go visit your monkey friend's kitchen, I bet you will find some bananas there.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 5:08:47am |
Little Johnny came downstairs bellowing lustily.
His mother asked, "What's the matter now?"
"Dad was hanging pictures, and just hit his thumb with a hammer," said Johnny through his tears.
"That's not so serious," soothed his mother. "I know you're upset, but a big boy like you shouldn't cry at something like that. Why didn't you just laugh?"
"I did!" sobbed Johnny.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 12, 2009 5:10:25am |
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opnion Tue, May 12, 2009 5:10:28am |
Good morning. Janine Garafalo remains unrepetent about calling the Tea Party goers a bunch of redneck racists. An example that she used in a street interview with FNC was that she saw a sign protesting the economy & they didn't say anything for the last eight years.
I guess what she is saying that if Obama were not African American they would have no problem.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 12, 2009 5:12:49am |
re: #355 opnion
I wonder if there is anything in her life that Ms. Garafalo is repentant about.
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danshelb Tue, May 12, 2009 5:13:25am |
Saw this image ( [Link: apnews.myway.com...] ) displaying the year by year budget deficit. Man is that ever scary...and utterly unsustainable.
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opnion Tue, May 12, 2009 5:13:33am |
re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I wonder if there is anything in her life that Ms. Garafalo is repentant about.
Probably not, she does seem very sure of herself.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 12, 2009 5:13:55am |
re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I wonder if there is anything in her life that Ms. Garafalo is repentant about.
Some of the movies she has made that are turkeys?
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 5:14:50am |
Chinese New Year
January 26, 2009
Year of the Earth Ox
Chinese New Year 4706 or 2009 in the Western calendar is the Year of the Female Brown Earth Ox — sometimes called the cow or water buffalo. This year of the Ox is the second year in this 12 year cycle of the Chinese zodiac.
The year of the Ox is associated with domestic trouble that seems to have no solution. The grounded, rational, Earth influence of the Ox may bring good fortune to troubled economic times but only with a sustained, well planned effort. The Ox influence brings an aversion to risky credit and quick answers that are not well conceived. The Ox year brings success only through discipline and through hard work. The steady Ox is quick to anger when confronted by what seems to be irrational opposition but the use of reason works well and avoids a charge by the angry bull. There is much danger of war and unrest if diplomacy does not prevail.
Poor Obama. And his Chinese Zodialogical symbol is also the OX. Emphasis added by me.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 12, 2009 5:15:55am |
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opnion Tue, May 12, 2009 5:17:13am |
re: #360 Nevergiveup
Some of the movies she has made that are turkeys?
Garafalo was in a movie filmed in Ireland;. I believe that it was "The legend of the Ran." She played a bitter ,snarling woman. I would guess that the Director said, "Just go be yourself."
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 12, 2009 5:17:52am |
Accused Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk, deported from the U.S. to face accusations of being accessory to the murder of 29,000 Jews and others in 1943, was transferred to a German prison Tuesday.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Good riddance.
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MandyManners Tue, May 12, 2009 5:18:40am |
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 5:20:29am |
The Ox(Obama's Sign)
Ox people are hard-working and persistent, they can stick at a task longer and go at it harder than anybody. They believe in themselves and tend to classify almost everything into two basic categories, bad and good. They hold up their high standards as a model and severely judge those who don't aspire to maintain these same ideals.
Ox people are not social or party animals, they tend to be quiet when in a party. Although appears to be tranquil, in fact, Oxens are ponderous but impulsive when angry. They are capable of fearsome rages, therefore, it is better not to cross an Oxen.
Ox people are observant, they have remarkable memories and are good at reporting on absolutely everything they observe. Go ask an Oxen if he remembers who were at the party 8 months ago, most likely, he will name them one by one to you.
In the home, the Ox is a great guy to have around. In business, the OX can succeed in the arts, a contracting business, or an estate., thanks to their creative nature. And since an Ox is intelligent and good at his hands, he can be a good surgeon as well.
Ox people are stubborn and dogmatic, they believe in their decision and will never regret. They are also very close to their families. disappointedly, Oxens often find that those who are close to them fail to understand them. Nevertheless, they are patient, and caring and that makes the Oxen the best friend you can ever have.
Oxens are very responsible and loyal. Ox people are seldom jealous. but they will be jealous of their rights; and the fidelity of a husband or a wife is one of their rights. They are very family-oriented, conservative and faithful.
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 5:21:26am |
re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Here.
The Powerful Tiger
"Born leader" is the key word for the Tigers. They are always in the lead and are most likely the ones to cry out "Let's Go"! Noble and Fearless, Tigers are respected for their courage, even from those working against them.
Tiger people are daring fighters, they are capable of standing up to the better end for what they think is right. Although they could be selfish from time to time in the little things, they are capable of great generosity. Tigers are unpredictable, always tense. and like to be in a hurry.Tiger people are difficult to resist, for they are magnetic characters and their natural air of authority confers a certain prestige on them. They are tempestuous yet calm, warm-hearted yet fearsome, courageous in the face of danger yet yielding and soft in mysterious, unexpected places.
Tigers are very confident, perhaps too confident sometimes. Although they love adventures, and are addicted to excitement it is better not to challenge a Tiger's confidence. They likes being obeyed and not the other way around.
Because Tigers are urgent people and always in a hurry to get things done right, they usually choose to operate alone. Tigers like to work, they are hard-working and dynamic. If you assign a task to a Tiger, the job will be undertaken and accomplished with enthusiasm and efficiency. Tigers make money, but they are not directly interested in money. Still, the Tiger needs not worry about money: just when he fears the money is gone, more seems to show up.
Tigers are sensitive, emotional. They are capable of great love, but they become too intense about it. They are also territorial and possessive, if you are a friend of a Tiger, he wants you to take his side against the bad guys and because the Tiger is so adorable, you often do. As lovers, Tigers are passionate and romantic, but the real challenge for the Tiger is to grasp the true meaning of moderation.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 5:23:02am |
re: #367 MandyManners
Morning 2M. I hope you are not making fun of me :)
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MandyManners Tue, May 12, 2009 5:23:38am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 12, 2009 5:24:14am |
re: #370 rustler
Thanks. Is there a "little wimpy tiger"?
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 5:24:46am |
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 5:25:16am |
re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That would be based on the element in dominance when yu were born.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 5:25:56am |
re: #379 rustler
Have you got a good link for a western one?
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 5:30:01am |
re: #379 rustler
Chinese zodiac is 12 animals 5 elements so the cycle typically repeats every 60 years.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 12, 2009 5:32:23am |
so keith doberman's "girlfriend" got a TV gig with an NBC owned network:
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
I know keith and i used to work with keith. This man has fewer social skills than anyone I have ever worked with. I will bet anyone on this board that as soon as the ink on her contract is dry, this girl will dump dobermann like a bad habit. because the keith I knew would never get a good looking girl unless some sort of quid pro quo was in play. As some of his colleagues used to say: "keith couldn't get laid in a female prison with a fistful of pardons."
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SixDegrees Tue, May 12, 2009 5:33:04am |
re: #346 Erik The Red
There was a world famous painter who, in the prime of her career, started losing her eyesight. Fearful that she might lose her life as a painter, she went to see the best eye surgeon in the world. After several weeks of delicate surgery and therapy, her eyesight was restored.
The painter was so grateful that she decided to show her gratitude by repainting the doctor's office. Part of her work included painting a gigantic eye on one wall. When she had finished her work, she held a press conference to unveil her latest work of art: the doctor's office.
During the press conference, one reporter noticed the eye on the wall, and asked the doctor, 'What was your first reaction upon seeing your newly painted office, especially that large eye on the wall?'
To this, the eye doctor responded, 'I said to myself 'Thank the Lord, I'm not a gynecologist.'
Reminds me of an episode of "NYPD Blue" where Greg accepted a dinner invitation from a woman who turned out to have a female roommate. Hanging on one wall of their loft was a gigantic, impressionist close-up painting of...well, one of those things gynecologists see every day, but about eight feet tall. After an increasingly uncomfortable meal, Greg asks, "So, are you two...lesbians?"
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 5:33:33am |
re: #381 rustler
I am married to a rat. One of the best matches for a monkey :)
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 5:34:32am |
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, May 12, 2009 5:34:56am |
Pakistan: In a complete state of denial
Karzai in move to share power with warlord wanted by US
Top U.S. Commander in Afghanistan Is Fired
The above three stories are intricately related and not in a good sort of way; in fact, while I have a great deal of faith in Petraeus(and the above change in command), I have absolutely no trust or faith in Jones or the Clintonite's advising Obama on Pakistan - its governance and how that governance could literally change in-a-heartbeat. Of course, if Pakistan blows we all know where Obama will place the blame.
This is Obama's war.
PS - This is such a hot-spot I think it's important to remember why India never retaliated against Pakistan for the Mumbai incident - a long-standing Pakistan-China security agreement which would have instigated a war against India from two fronts, Pakistan & China. With China involved, definitely, one front and foe to many.
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J.D. Tue, May 12, 2009 5:35:44am |
Obama Gives UAW 55% Control Over Chrysler; UAW Negotiations With Itself Go Smoothly
President Obama paved the way for the United Auto Workers’ majority control of the Chrysler car company after he broke contracts with creditors who manage money for college savings funds, endowments, and pension plans. Obama publicly condemned the creditors as evil “speculators,” apparently because they bank on the success of such corrupt special interests as students, the arts and sciences, and retiring teachers.The arrangement puts the future success of Chrysler in the hands of UAW leaders, who have proven themselves to be skilled negotiators and prime contributors to the Democratic Party. Having won for its members pay schedules and work rules that are much more generous than what workers for their foreign competitors enjoy, Chrysler was brought to the edge of bankruptcy. The UAW then skillfully used that unprofitability to leverage billions of dollars in taxpayer bailouts from Congress and, ultimately, a 55% ownership share of the company, courtesy of the President.
The UAW’s success, however, led to one downside: it now has to negotiate with itself in labor-management disputes. Although many feared this new situation would create tension within the union, it has handled its disagreements with remarkable ease.
The first such dispute arose when UAW-management demanded Chrysler receive billions more in taxpayer dollars. When UAW-labor found out the money would be shipped in hundred dollar bills, it objected that transporting so many pallets of cash in such small denominations risked overexertion and workplace injuries, including strained backs and paper cuts. A compromise was reached when UAW-management agreed to ensure taxpayer money was received in more manageable units of thousand dollar bills.
Another dispute involved vacation. UAW-management insisted on 26 weeks, but UAW-labor objected on the grounds most workers would have difficulty coordinating so much free time with extended family members and diverse sports schedules and hobbies. The impasse was broken when UAW-labor agreed to the 26 weeks of vacation along with the creation of a program to help workers better manage their leisure time.
UAW-labor also objected to the creation of a new job category called “production,” insisting such a category did not accurately reflect the job. UAW-labor ultimately agreed to rename it “lunch break interruption.”
The UAW is confident its current strategy of driving the company into the ground and demanding more taxpayer money to compensate for its losses will continue to be a winning strategy for Chrysler. ...
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 5:37:52am |
re: #384 Erik The Red
Nice. Haha my best and Longest lasting relationship was a Tiger. The Tiger/Goat pairing is among the least compatible.
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rain of lead Tue, May 12, 2009 5:39:43am |
morning all
drinking coffee and playing fetch with the cat
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 5:44:01am |
re: #390 rain of lead
I want to get me One of these Kitties.
Or here one with a bit of scale.
Hybrid cat from Breeding a domestic Usually Abbynisian with a Wild Cat from South America known as the Geoffroy's Cat.
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rain of lead Tue, May 12, 2009 5:46:34am |
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 5:49:28am |
The massive size of the Hybrids is thought to be due in part to the Geoffroy's having 38 chromosomes compared to Domestics 36 so a growth inhibitor gene doesn't fully pass to offspring. The Chromosomal differences make Safari Cats rare only about 40-50 have been bred so far.
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irish rose Tue, May 12, 2009 5:52:28am |
re: #306 rightside
Hey Rose,
Looks like you got your blog fixed, at least it looks ok for me here at home. What was it?
Sorry, I went back to sleep.
Corrupted code on the post-foot... leftovers from a faulty uninstall.
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 5:52:57am |
re: #394 rain of lead
They are quite gentle despite there large size(about 25 pounds full grown compared to about 8 for healthy non obese house cats) and have temperments more like dogs than cats. They are readily trainable but require lots of attention. A cheaper alternative to the 5000-7000 dollars for one might be a Savannah Cat(similar size and coloration but bred with an African Serval and has the Serval's ears) If that pic doesn't work this one will.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 5:56:59am |
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 5:57:29am |
Or for a Domestic sized one there is the Ocicat . An ocicat has no wild blood like Savannah and Safari cats. They are Siamese/Abbysinian crosses, whose offspring are bred again to Aby's to get the spotted coats. Oci's like savannah and safari cats are more canine in there temperment's and are quite adept at learning puppy tricks as well as highly athletic feline tricks.
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 5:59:17am |
re: #398 Erik The Red
Permits for those be hell to get. Safaris and Savannahs are classified as domestics so no licensing needed.
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 6:00:30am |
re: #400 Erik The Red
Heres a link to Google images page of some Ocicats.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 6:01:54am |
re: #403 rustler
Heres a link to Google images page of some Ocicats.
That one worked. All I got on the other link was this; Image: oci.jpg
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 6:03:52am |
re: #403 rustler
I like em for the domestic attitudes and Wild looks only 5 species of domestic cats are prone to Spots. The Savannah Cat, Safari Cat, Ocicat, Bengal, and the only non hybrid domestic prone to spots The Egyptian Mau.
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rustler Tue, May 12, 2009 6:04:16am |
re: #404 Erik The Red
Lol even the relink you posted showed up for me hehe.
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Kenneth Tue, May 12, 2009 6:05:04am |
Good morning folks.
Here's a very cool animation of the assembly of the International Space Station. This thing is getting big!
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 6:06:30am |
Here is where I am taking the family for three nights at the end of May. A surprise for my two girls. I am not exactly roughing it in the bush. I have been here once before and it is FANTASTIC.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 12, 2009 6:07:44am |
an article worth reading for Israel's supporters ...
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 6:09:51am |
re: #408 Erik The Red
Here is where I am taking the family for three nights at the end of May. A surprise for my two girls. I am not exactly roughing it in the bush. I have been here once before and it is FANTASTIC.
what a dump!
jus kidding
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 6:11:46am |
re: #410 albusteve
what a dump!
jus kidding
Yeah I know. Can't afford to take the kids to the really upmarket places.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 6:12:15am |
re: #408 Erik The Red
my folks spent a couple of weeks in Kenya a number of years ago and considered it the highlight of their world travels...dad always wanted to go back to SA but alas never got there...personally I would much rather visit the African continent than Europe
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 6:13:50am |
re: #412 albusteve
my folks spent a couple of weeks in Kenya a number of years ago and considered it the highlight of their world travels...dad always wanted to go back to SA but alas never got there...personally I would much rather visit the African continent than Europe
Nice place to come to. Choose and plan your vacation properly and no problems.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 12, 2009 6:20:38am |
here's the "money quote" from that article I just posted:
Obama should have no illusions. We are still light years away from reaching an accommodation with our Palestinian neighbors. Paradoxically, a greater proportion of Israelis favor a genuine two-state solution than the Palestinians for whom the destruction of Jewish sovereignty enjoys a far greater priority than creating a state of their own.
I just pray that his years spent in rev wright's pews have not brainwashed Obama to the point where he can't see this.
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KenJen Tue, May 12, 2009 6:21:42am |
re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I wonder if there is anything in her life that Ms. Garafalo is repentant about.
I think she was in Romey and Michelle's High School Reunion. I'd be repentant about that if I were her.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 6:23:10am |
another take on the non-Roast
[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
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MandyManners Tue, May 12, 2009 6:23:56am |
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 6:27:34am |
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 6:27:42am |
Shelly the giant oyster
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 12, 2009 6:27:48am |
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FrogMarch Tue, May 12, 2009 6:29:38am |
good morning all.
We all have to sacrifice, unless of course that is, you work for the state.
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KenJen Tue, May 12, 2009 6:29:42am |
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 6:31:12am |
Mornin' folks. We have a FREEZE WARNING tonight. Most of the fruit has blossomed or is in the process and a freeze will kill the buds and blossoms.
Damn Manbearpig strikes everywhere!
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ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 12, 2009 6:32:01am |
Good morning!
Raymond Chandler certainly had a way with words.
Nothing says goodbye like a bullet...
-Philip Marlowe
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Kenneth Tue, May 12, 2009 6:33:54am |
Gates Says McChrystal to Be Top U.S. Afghan Commander
Lieutenant General Stanley McChrystal has been picked to take command of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said today.McChrystal, now director of the staff for the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, will replace General David McKiernan, pending Senate confirmation. Gates said he asked for McKiernan’s resignation.
“The focus here is simply on getting fresh thinking, fresh eyes” on this conflict, Gates told reporters at a Pentagon briefing.
“There was a need for new leadership,” said Admiral Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
Does this explanation make sense? McKiernan was put in charge of Afghanistan in June, 2008 and was expected to serve 18 to 24 months.
Gates today refused to say whether he lost confidence in McKiernan, who assumed command in June 2008 of the combined NATO-U.S. Afghanistan force. Still, Gates said the resignation “probably” ends McKiernan’s military career.
Mullen said McKiernan was originally scheduled to be in Afghanistan for 18-24 months. There were discussion about replacing him “as far back as six or seven months ago,” he said.
What happened 6 or 7 months ago? Well, for one thing, Obama was elected president. It seems McKiernan was in their sites from the start. Comments McKiernan made last fall became a topic for debate in the election campaing:
"Afghanistan is not Iraq," said Gen. David D. McKiernan, who led ground forces during the 2003 Iraq invasion and took over four months ago as head of the NATO-led coalition in Afghanistan.
Speaking in Washington yesterday, McKiernan described Afghanistan as "a far more complex environment than I ever found in Iraq." The country's mountainous terrain, rural population, poverty, illiteracy, 400 major tribal networks and history of civil war all make for unique challenges, he said.
"The word I don't use for Afghanistan is 'surge,' " McKiernan stressed, saying that what is required is a "sustained commitment" to a counterinsurgency effort that could last many years and would ultimately require a political, not military, solution.
Anybody know what's going on here?
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 12, 2009 6:35:40am |
re: #425 pingjockey
Mornin' folks. We have a FREEZE WARNING tonight. Most of the fruit has blossomed or is in the process and a freeze will kill the buds and blossoms.
Damn Manbearpig strikes everywhere!
Anithomeostatite!
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ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 12, 2009 6:36:31am |
re: #421 albusteve
Shelly the giant oyster
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
Sure the harbor master put it in the aquarium...
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soxfan4life Tue, May 12, 2009 6:39:05am |
re: #428 Kenneth
Gates Says McChrystal to Be Top U.S. Afghan Commander
Anybody know what's going on here?
My guess would be cutting ties with the former administration so Gen. Mckiernan could not site the resemblance of 0bama's surge strategy to Bush's surge strategy. I served under Gen. McKiernan when he was Division Commander of the First Cav and we were ready able and willing to perform our mission at all times, and did so on several occasions. Gates and 0bama are losing a good military man by playing politics.
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FrogMarch Tue, May 12, 2009 6:39:38am |
the Obama legacy:
www.washingtonexaminer.com...]>American prosperity will be a distant memory for generations to come...
Yet Obama's approval numbers are high. (supposedly) I guess this nation is craving its slavery.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 12, 2009 6:41:10am |
re: #428 Kenneth
Gates Says McChrystal to Be Top U.S. Afghan Commander
Anybody know what's going on here?
McChange!
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 6:43:08am |
re: #433 Spare O'Lake
He's not acceptable to the commisars that will now travel with all US commmanders to ensure that they are politcally reliable!
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avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 6:43:14am |
re: #432 FrogMarch
the Obama legacy:
American prosperity will be a distant memory for generations to come...
Yet Obama's approval numbers are high. (supposedly) I guess this nation is craving its slavery.
Even if you don't accept the raw numbers, his approval is in fact going up according to yesterdays Gallup.
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 6:44:00am |
re: #435 avanti
The American public is fooled by moonbeams and pixie dust.
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opnion Tue, May 12, 2009 6:45:30am |
re: #416 albusteve
another take on the non-Roast
[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
Wanda Sykes crossed the line when she wanted Limbaugh kidney failure.
The other thing is she is either uninformed or just willfully ignorant about Limbaughs remarks about wanting Obama to fail. It has been clarified over & over, he was saying that he wants America to succeed & if Obama is seeking to drive us to Socialism that he wants those efforts to fail.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 6:45:46am |
re: #428 Kenneth
dunno...my guess is the beginning of a set up for surrender of some sort...Pakistan will not defeat the Taliban...why would the Talib let themselves be annihilated bit by bit in Pakistan?...they won't..imo it would take a massive international effort to destroy the Talib entirely,...maybe the US is just getting into a position where we can say, here's are part, we have this chunk of safe ground...there is no plan, no final solution
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1SG(ret) Tue, May 12, 2009 6:46:05am |
Gen. McKiernan made the unthinkable mistake of speaking the truth as he saw it! The Miss Cali, syndrome! Can't have that!
Top
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KenJen Tue, May 12, 2009 6:47:13am |
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ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 12, 2009 6:47:54am |
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ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 12, 2009 6:48:39am |
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FrogMarch Tue, May 12, 2009 6:48:43am |
re: #435 avanti
Even if you don't accept the raw numbers, his approval is in fact going up according to yesterdays Gallup.
I suspect Obama's approval will remain high even as this nation's economic future swirls down the toilet. It's hope magic. Who are they polling? no one like me, that's for sure.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 6:49:32am |
re: #435 avanti
Even if you don't accept the raw numbers, his approval is in fact going up according to yesterdays Gallup.
goes to show how stupid, uninformed, and misrepresented by the MSM people are....the fact that you don't see this is exactly what is going on here...thanks again for pointing this out
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soxfan4life Tue, May 12, 2009 6:50:45am |
re: #443 FrogMarch
I suspect Obama's approval will remain high even as this nation's economic future swirls down the toilet. It's hope magic. Who are they polling? no one like me, that's for sure.
He'll be the first sitting President to lose relection with 65% approval numbers. And it will finally show the uselessness of these polling outfits and their engineering of data.
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Beach Lover Tue, May 12, 2009 6:51:59am |
One article that you need to read....and shudder at the message
As Barack Obama speaks, thinking Americans ought to hear the echoes of past fascist demagogues and remember. Remember.
When Barack Obama promises "collective redemption" through his profligate spending programs and vast overtures to a new world order built on love for our fellow man, we ought to shudder not swoon.
We ought to remember that healthy global relationships are built upon respect, not all-encompassing love, and that redemption for one's soul is a commodity the state is not empowered to offer.
As Pope Benedict XVI has so presciently warned:
Wherever politics tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes, not divine, but demonic.
Be not fooled, America. The movement, which appears most benign is instead the most malignant growth ever seen on our soil. It's a cancer that will kill, and however slowly it grows or however nice it may look on the surface, doesn't change a thing.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 6:52:23am |
re: #434 pingjockey
He's not acceptable to the commisars that will now travel with all US commmanders to ensure that they are politcally reliable!
The word is Zampolit.
I wonder when they'll show up in boardrooms and workplaces. Perfect positions for union workers who can't work, or an advancement path from community organizers.
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 6:52:42am |
re: #446 soxfan4life
Not unless we can put outfits like ACORN out of business! Indictments in 14 states and the Census still wants to use these assholes.
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Golem Akbar Tue, May 12, 2009 6:52:46am |
Good morning Lizard world! Beautiful day on tap.
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 6:53:50am |
re: #448 Kosh's Shadow
That's it. Was gonna dig out my copy of The Hunt for Red Octber to find that word!
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soxfan4life Tue, May 12, 2009 6:55:03am |
re: #449 pingjockey
Not unless we can put outfits like ACORN out of business! Indictments in 14 states and the Census still wants to use these assholes.
I saw an argument somewhere, it may have been here. We should use their own tactics on them and flood these voter registrars with thousands of applications at the deadline to slow the progress of ACORN and their scams.
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FrogMarch Tue, May 12, 2009 6:55:14am |
re: #446 soxfan4life
He'll be the first sitting President to lose reelection with 65% approval numbers. And it will finally show the uselessness of these polling outfits and their engineering of data.
It's certainly possible. Although that assumes the R's have a viable candidate, ACORN isn't in full vote swindling mode, and the media stops being a "see no evil" public relations arm the Obama administration.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 6:55:55am |
re: #449 pingjockey
Not unless we can put outfits like ACORN out of business! Indictments in 14 states and the Census still wants to use these assholes.
we need a non profit org to to exactly that....chase them down relentlessly and burn them....like the opposite of the ACLU who should be doing this anyway....votes are compromised and that's huge....not enough people seem to care
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soxfan4life Tue, May 12, 2009 6:56:49am |
re: #453 FrogMarch
It's certainly possible. Although that assumes the R's have a viable candidate, ACORN isn't in full vote swindling mode, and the media stops being a "see no evil" public relations arm the Obama administration.
Given the attacks they are still using on Sarah Palin the gop would be wise to leave her out front while grooming the next candidate under the radar and free from media harrasment.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 6:57:24am |
re: #452 soxfan4life
I saw an argument somewhere, it may have been here. We should use their own tactics on them and flood these voter registrars with thousands of applications at the deadline to slow the progress of ACORN and their scams.
I have seven dogs I can register. However, they're poodles; they're smart and strong on defense, so they'd want to register as Republicans.
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 6:57:27am |
re: #454 albusteve
It is a total non story. Now if a "conservative" group had done this, it would be a firestorm of msm outrage.
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opnion Tue, May 12, 2009 6:59:31am |
re: #454 albusteve
we need a non profit org to to exactly that....chase them down relentlessly and burn them....like the opposite of the ACLU who should be doing this anyway....votes are compromised and that's huge....not enough people seem to care
Acorn utilizes the Saul Alinsky model, scream, lie & denegrate your opponents. They thrive on theft an intimidation & were once represented in court by none other than the current Commander In Chief.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:00:03am |
re: #457 pingjockey
It is a total non story. Now if a "conservative" group had done this, it would be a firestorm of msm outrage.
I hate the MSM...the root of all evil..the damage they have done is unspeakable, and the use the 1st to do it....I seeth
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Kenneth Tue, May 12, 2009 7:00:25am |
re: #431 soxfan4life
Interesting. McKiernan was one of the most effective generals during the initial invasion of Iraq, and was one of the few generals to last for the whole time there. It was reported that while he was initially skeptical of Petraeus' surge strategy, he adapted to it and became a convert to the new approach. When Petraeus became head of Central Command, he thought well enough of McKieran to put him in charge in Af'stan.
Is it significant that Gates & Mullen are announcing this new change and not Petraeus?
The departure of McKiernan has some discussion of the policy issues at play. McKiernan argued for a much larger US force to crush the Taliban. Obama was happy to use this during the election campaign, but never really wanted to follow that path. Petraeus supported McKiernan's strategy, insisting the Taliban cannot be trusted to keep their word on any deal. Gates and Obama think they can finesse the war with a smaller, "smarter" force. Hence the pick of Lt. General McChrystal, with his background in Special Forces, to take the command in Af-Pak.
This is also why we've been hearing things from Mullen, Gates & Biden that there exists some kind of "moderate" Taliban which can be negotiated with. They believe that because they NEED to have a moderate Taliban for their strategy to succeed.
This is very much like needing "moderate" Palestinians for the peace process to succeed, therefore diplomats suddenly discover moderate Fatah, and lately even moderate Hamas, factions. There is a word for this kind of strategy and that word is "delusional".
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avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 7:00:59am |
re: #437 opnion
Wanda Sykes crossed the line when she wanted Limbaugh kidney failure.
The other thing is she is either uninformed or just willfully ignorant about Limbaughs remarks about wanting Obama to fail. It has been clarified over & over, he was saying that he wants America to succeed & if Obama is seeking to drive us to Socialism that he wants those efforts to fail.
I watched the whole video, and although I don't agree with her logic, it went something like this:
Rush wants America to fail, then she said, that's the same thing Osama wants.
Then she made the 20th hijacker comment.
She talked about Rush wanting us to fail in Iraq, folks to lose their homes and the rest, she said that was treason, and followed it with the kidney failure joke.
It's not the first time a comic at a roast went too far for some, nor will it be the last.
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J.S. Tue, May 12, 2009 7:01:15am |
re: #428 Kenneth
From what I hear, David McKiernan headed up the initial invasion of Iraq back in 2003...(that politically unpopular war, you know, the one which is a "disaster" from a Democratic point of view.) Then, he was far too gung-ho in a military sense -- as in taking out the enemy. The latest "disaster" (i suspect) was that bombing which claimed a number of civilians (did you see the propaganda videos played by the Taliban?) (from the Toronto Star: "a local official said yesterday he collected the names of 147 people killed in the disputed incident. If local reports of the death toll are confirmed, it would be the deadliest case of civilian casualties since the 2001 invasion that ousted the Taliban. The International Red Cross and local officials said the people were killed by American bombs, though U.S. officials said grenades hurled by Taliban militants may have killed civilians." Remember that one? I believe that's what did it -- plus the fact that Karzai was clamouring for his firing...)
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turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:03:07am |
Ya know when you stop to think about it ACORN is actually a pretty fitting name, because like ... they're nuts and all. Morning LGF. Anybody see Liz Cheney take on Eugene Robinson on morning Joe? That chick is a pretty tough cookie. Oh that reminds me he wrote some op ed I need to go read if I can find it.
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:03:13am |
re: #462 J.S.
I'd like to see the BDA footage. Forensics are said to show that those people were NOT killed by a bomb.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 12, 2009 7:04:58am |
re: #460 Kenneth
The smaller smarter force comes from Shinseki. I hope we don't revisit that disaster.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 12, 2009 7:05:56am |
Good morning. Coming to work this morning, I caught a snippet on National Palestinian Radio about a proposed bill to allow newspapers to become non-profits so that people could donate to them as any other charity, and save their local (or national I suppose) newspaper. Has anyone heard anything about this?
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Beach Lover Tue, May 12, 2009 7:06:17am |
re: #463 turn
my blood pressure wont allow me to watch MSNBC, but Liz can handle her own against the libtards. I look forward to seeing her take them on. Her parents must be proud.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:06:22am |
re: #458 opnion
Acorn utilizes the Saul Alinsky model, scream, lie & denegrate your opponents. They thrive on theft an intimidation & were once represented in court by none other than the current Commander In Chief.
yes...you can't make up a much worse scenario
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opnion Tue, May 12, 2009 7:06:45am |
re: #461 avanti
I watched the whole video, and although I don't agree with her logic, it went something like this:
Rush wants America to fail, then she said, that's the same thing Osama wants.
Then she made the 20th hijacker comment.
She talked about Rush wanting us to fail in Iraq, folks to lose their homes and the rest, she said that was treason, and followed it with the kidney failure joke.
It's not the first time a comic at a roast went too far for some, nor will it be the last.
Yeah, I saw the entire video. My point is that she deliberately mis-characterized what Limbaugh said. He is fair game for jokes & ridicule, it was just dishonest.
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avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 7:07:06am |
re: #446 soxfan4life
He'll be the first sitting President to lose relection with 65% approval numbers. And it will finally show the uselessness of these polling outfits and their engineering of data.
I recall the same skepticism of the poll numbers just prior to his election and we know how that turned out. If his polling is in the high 40's or above, he will win reelection, but there is plenty of time for it to drop.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:07:40am |
re: #461 avanti
I watched the whole video, and although I don't agree with her logic, it went something like this:
Rush wants America to fail, then she said, that's the same thing Osama wants.
Then she made the 20th hijacker comment.
She talked about Rush wanting us to fail in Iraq, folks to lose their homes and the rest, she said that was treason, and followed it with the kidney failure joke.
It's not the first time a comic at a roast went too far for some, nor will it be the last.
we know all that...do you have a point?
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 12, 2009 7:07:51am |
re: #444 albusteve
goes to show how stupid, uninformed, and misrepresented by the MSM people are....the fact that you don't see this is exactly what is going on here...thanks again for pointing this out
Yeah, but the electorate is probably no more stupid now than in the past. And it's hard to blame the MSM because most people are too stupid to have watched the TV news or read the front page of the newspaper since the inauguration.
Instead, I blame Leno, Letterman, Oprah, ET and talk radio - these are likely the main sources of news about Obama for many Americans.
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turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:07:56am |
re: #464 pingjockey
I'd like to see the BDA footage. Forensics are said to show that those people were NOT killed by a bomb.
O'Reiley had a piece on last night about that, how Obama and Hillary both came out and apologized for the incident before all the facts are even in. Taliban kill their own people to slow down or even stop air strikes on them.
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avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 7:09:12am |
re: #469 opnion
Yeah, I saw the entire video. My point is that she deliberately mis-characterized what Limbaugh said. He is fair game for jokes & ridicule, it was just dishonest.
No question that she mis-characterized and stretched.
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Kenneth Tue, May 12, 2009 7:09:28am |
re: #462 J.S.
Obama is using the excuse of the latest civilian casualty propaganda to get rid of McKiernan.
Do you remember reports in the Globe & mail a couple months ago about a village near Kandahar allegedly getting mortared by Canadian troops? It was investigated & was determined that the Taliban, seeing that the Canadians were doing training exercises in the desert near the village, decided to make some propaganda. The Taliban fired mortars rounds at the village, then ran to the press and denounced the Canadian troops. the western media ate it up. When the truth came out a few days later, the media ignored it.
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opnion Tue, May 12, 2009 7:09:31am |
re: #468 albusteve
yes...you can't make up a much worse scenario
Everybody deserves legal representation, but BHO was cozy with Acorn.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 7:09:47am |
re: #470 rightside
You know my feelings about Avanti and 44, but this makes sense.
"If it is determined that [her majesty's government] is unable to protect information we provide to it, even if that inability is caused by your judicial system, we will necessarily have to review with the greatest care the sensitivity of information we can provide in the future."
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:10:03am |
re: #461 avanti
I watched the whole video, and although I don't agree with her logic, it went something like this:
Rush wants
AmericaOBAMA to fail, then she said, that's the same thing Osama wants.
Then she made the 20th hijacker comment.
The President is not America!
She talked about Rush wanting us to fail in Iraq, folks to lose their homes and the rest, she said that was treason, and followed it with the kidney failure joke.
No, that would be Harry Reid, Dick Durbin, Nancy Pelosi & every other elected Democrat!
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opnion Tue, May 12, 2009 7:10:31am |
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:10:43am |
re: #471 avanti
I recall the same skepticism of the poll numbers just prior to his election and we know how that turned out. If his polling is in the high 40's or above, he will win reelection, but there is plenty of time for it to drop.
why are you so fixated on polls?....you are not some objective bystander....you and your droolers are the problem...these polls represent your own idoltarianism....you are not listening
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 7:11:14am |
re: #449 pingjockey
Not unless we can put outfits like ACORN out of business! Indictments in 14 states and the Census still wants to use these assholes.
That's why they want to use them.
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turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:11:31am |
re: #467 Beach Lover
I can understand, I don't know why I torture myself like that. I actually watch Crissy on occasion. Joe called in to the show and really backed her up (not that she needed it). dang, I can't find that Robinson op ed.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:11:32am |
re: #473 Spare O'Lake
Yeah, but the electorate is probably no more stupid now than in the past. And it's hard to blame the MSM because most people are too stupid to have watched the TV news or read the front page of the newspaper since the inauguration.
Instead, I blame Leno, Letterman, Oprah, ET and talk radio - these are likely the main sources of news about Obama for many Americans.
they are the MSM
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avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 7:11:49am |
re: #470 rightside
avanti, put this in your studebaker and smoke it.
But hey, our clueless, hateful president has awesome poll numbers, and that's what counts most! Fuck it if anyone gets attacked again, by God nobama has great internal polling!
Useful idiot. Tool. These fit you.
I never weighed the value of the popularity numbers, just replied to a post that mentioned them. Some do indeed think he is hateful and clueless, some don't.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 12, 2009 7:12:42am |
re: #471 avanti
I recall the same skepticism of the poll numbers just prior to his election and we know how that turned out. If his polling is in the high 40's or above, he will win reelection, but there is plenty of time for it to drop.
Given his poll numbers in Nov the number of popular votes should have been higher. But his mishandling of the economy as well as his failure to live up to campaign promises will not fool so many people the second time around. That plus the rabid attacks some of his supporters give any opposition will cause many to answer one way and vote another. The only real chance he has at reelection is if the GOP trots out another uninspiring candidate like McCain or Dole.
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:13:09am |
re: #474 turn
I saw that. The current admin thinks that by continually apologising for everything we may or may not have done the world will love us. They may be infatuated with the one, but the world does NOT love the US, unless there's a disaster or other calamity.
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Lincolntf Tue, May 12, 2009 7:13:34am |
Morning all.
Looks like a new book has come out detailing Roger Clemens' steroid experience. Guess I'll be wasting more money at Amazon today.
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turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:13:42am |
re: #466 Creeping Eruption
I hadn't heard that CE, but they are really desperate that's for sure. You should see how the Sac Bee has shrunk down to practically nothing, hell you can't even line a hamster cage with it.
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justabill Tue, May 12, 2009 7:14:06am |
re: #456 Kosh's Shadow
I have seven dogs I can register. However, they're poodles; they're smart and strong on defense, so they'd want to register as Republicans.
As long as they are not french poodles, we'll take them...
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 12, 2009 7:14:38am |
re: #491 turn
I hadn't heard that CE, but they are really desperate that's for sure. You should see how the Sac Bee has shrunk down to practically nothing, hell you can't even line a hamster cage with it.
It is an interesting idea. What would it mean for an editorial staff? Newspapers would have to stick to reporting and that would be about it.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 12, 2009 7:14:38am |
re: #488 pingjockey
I saw that. The current admin thinks that by continually apologising for everything we may or may not have done the world will love us. They may be infatuated with the one, but the world does NOT love the US, unless there's a disaster or other calamity.
America loves a winner.
The World loves a loser.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 7:15:13am |
Gonna pack up my shit and head home.
Via the pub first.
Later Lizards.
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rightside Tue, May 12, 2009 7:15:21am |
re: #486 avanti
Have you amended your tax return yet? You aren't paying your fair share in taxes. Also, you are reporting your income to the IRS that you are getting from the ebay sales of autos, are you not? I'd hate to think you aren't patriotic, by not paying all your taxes.
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turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:15:24am |
re: #475 Summersong
I hope ACORN gets buried.
Unfortunately under the O administration they're going to GROW.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:15:46am |
There are reports that Iran has deployed missiles around the Straits of Hormuz and the Persian Gulf
Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps has deployed mobile ground-to-air and ground-to-sea missile batteries in the Strait of Hormuz and other areas in the Persian Gulf, a senior Iranian official was quoted by Al Watan as saying on Tuesday.
The source told the Saudi-based newspaper that the move was made after Iran received reports that the US and Israel were preparing to attack the Islamic republic's nuclear facilities.
This puts Israel in a lose-lose situation.
If they attack Iran's nuclear program, Iran closes the Straits and brings oil shipments to an almost standstill, causing the supply and price of oil to skyrocket, and everyone blames Israel.
If they don't attack Iran's nuclear program, they get nuked, and the world sheds crocodile tears for the Jews.
If Israel had US support, the US could deal with those missiles easily enough, but I wouldn't count on it now.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:15:47am |
re: #493 Creeping Eruption
It is an interesting idea. What would it mean for an editorial staff? Newspapers would have to stick to reporting and that would be about it.
Because non profit news outlets like NPR never editorialize?
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:15:49am |
Damn, video on FNC. A JAL 747 sucked a bunch of luggage into an engine!
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:15:53am |
re: #486 avanti
I never weighed the value of the popularity numbers, just replied to a post that mentioned them. Some do indeed think he is hateful and clueless, some don't.
that's a flat out lie...you substantiate half of what you post with pol numbers...your cred with me is zero
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lurking faith Tue, May 12, 2009 7:16:50am |
re: #461 avanti
I know you said you don't agree with her, and I'm glad of it. But the thing is, her "logic" is founded on a lie - because Rush did NOT say he wanted America to fail. (I know it's a roast, but one normally doesn't roast individuals who aren't friends of the roastee, especially when they aren't there to respond. Bad form, in roast tradition.)
Her "logic" also led her to wish for Rush to die. And that's just vicious and sick. And when she wished it, Obama smiled.
That's the thing that bothers me the most: that it has become socially acceptable to wish your civil opponents pain and death - provided they are conservative. While the President sits there, smiling and trying not to laugh outright.
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lawhawk Tue, May 12, 2009 7:17:06am |
re: #477 Kenneth
The Taliban play with the same propaganda playbook as Hamas, Hizbullah, and Fatah. They know that the media will nearly always fault the US or Israel first, and ignore the war crimes committed by terrorists.
They will plant stories in the media, knowing that they can get their version out there and the media laps it up regardless of how many lies are spewed in the process.
It's what they do.
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turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:17:08am |
re: #493 Creeping Eruption
It is an interesting idea. What would it mean for an editorial staff? Newspapers would have to stick to reporting and that would be about it.
I really do worry about the lack of government oversight should the papers go under, on the other hand the MSM is only looking for corruption on the right and is blind to it on the left.
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Beach Lover Tue, May 12, 2009 7:17:34am |
re: #494 Spare O'Lake
America loves a winner.
The World loves a loser.
I used to think that...now I'm seeing more and more that we are supposed to love the struggling, and that "winners" are cheaters and successful and therefore to be admonished for taking unfair advantage.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 7:17:38am |
re: #466 Creeping Eruption
Good morning. Coming to work this morning, I caught a snippet on National Palestinian Radio about a proposed bill to allow newspapers to become non-profits so that people could donate to them as any other charity, and save their local (or national I suppose) newspaper. Has anyone heard anything about this?
This is probably coming. The idea is to make the newpapers non-profits (hell, they're not profitable now), and make Web news providers, blogs, etc., pay the newspapers for content they use (even just links, I imagine) from those papers. I don't think they'll survive even as non-profits, because they still have to break even, and pay salaries.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:17:56am |
re: #492 justabill
As long as they are not french poodles, we'll take them...
What other kind is there? But remember, poodles were originally bred in Germany.
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avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 7:18:00am |
re: #479 Erik The Red
You know my feelings about Avanti and 44, but this makes sense.
"If it is determined that [her majesty's government] is unable to protect information we provide to it, even if that inability is caused by your judicial system, we will necessarily have to review with the greatest care the sensitivity of information we can provide in the future."
I agree. BHO is protecting secret information about torture techniques used by the previous administration, I think that is a good thing.
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:18:09am |
re: #498 Kosh's Shadow
IIRC, the mad mullahs have Chicom Silkworm antiship missles. When I was over there we called them carrier killers. One ton warhead. Figured one would break my cruiser in half!
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 12, 2009 7:18:28am |
re: #498 Kosh's Shadow
There are reports that Iran has deployed missiles around the Straits of Hormuz and the Persian Gulf
This puts Israel in a lose-lose situation.
If they attack Iran's nuclear program, Iran closes the Straits and brings oil shipments to an almost standstill, causing the supply and price of oil to skyrocket, and everyone blames Israel.
If they don't attack Iran's nuclear program, they get nuked, and the world sheds crocodile tears for the Jews.If Israel had US support, the US could deal with those missiles easily enough, but I wouldn't count on it now.
Screw the blame game, Israel gets blamed for everything no matter what.
Israel should do what it needs to do in order to survive - period.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 7:18:37am |
re: #500 pingjockey
Damn, video on FNC. A JAL 747 sucked a bunch of luggage into an engine!
Baggage handler screw-up. Uh-oh.
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yochanan Tue, May 12, 2009 7:18:44am |
BLACKHAWKS defeat the canuks
i went to a b'hawks canuks game in Vancouver and saw very poor sportsmanship with major boo birds when they played the American anthem so this victory is very sweet.
even if we don't win the Stanley cup i will be a happy camper.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 12, 2009 7:18:55am |
re: #428 Kenneth
Nope but it sounds a little like political interference to me, especially since they made up a new post of "Deputy Commander" and put Gate's number 1 adviser in that spot.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 12, 2009 7:19:09am |
re: #499 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Because non profit news outlets like NPR never editorialize?
I am talking about print media and of course, they will still editorialize just in the way an article is written or an issue presented. I was wondering what non-profit status would do to a newspaper's actual editorials, letters to the editor, etc.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 12, 2009 7:19:20am |
re: #502 lurking faith
I know you said you don't agree with her, and I'm glad of it. But the thing is, her "logic" is founded on a lie - because Rush did NOT say he wanted America to fail. (I know it's a roast, but one normally doesn't roast individuals who aren't friends of the roastee, especially when they aren't there to respond. Bad form, in roast tradition.)
Her "logic" also led her to wish for Rush to die. And that's just vicious and sick. And when she wished it, Obama smiled.
That's the thing that bothers me the most: that it has become socially acceptable to wish your civil opponents pain and death - provided they are conservative. While the President sits there, smiling and trying not to laugh outright.
Sometimes I think he reacts the same way to reports of American casualties. I never thought we would elect such a hater of everything America stands for.
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Kenneth Tue, May 12, 2009 7:19:37am |
re: #498 Kosh's Shadow
Right now, Obama's team is discussing whether these Iranian missiles are "moderate" missiles or are they "clenched fist" missiles. In so far as they make it harder for Israel to defend herself, the Obama admin will see these as "peaceful" missiles.
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turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:19:55am |
re: #488 pingjockey
I saw that. The current admin thinks that by continually apologising for everything we may or may not have done the world will love us. They may be infatuated with the one, but the world does NOT love the US, unless there's a disaster or other calamity.
Exactly right, appeasement will get us nowhere with the Taliban nor the euroweenies for that matter.
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eddie- the Aggravator Tue, May 12, 2009 7:20:27am |
I have four extra tickets for the Robbie Knievel (son of Evil Knievel) Event at the Ford Center next weekend in Beaumont , Texas , if anybody wants them.
He's going to try to jump 1,000 Obama supporters with a bulldozer.
Should be a good time.
Let me know
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 12, 2009 7:20:37am |
re: #505 Beach Lover
I used to think that...now I'm seeing more and more that we are supposed to love the struggling, and that "winners" are cheaters and successful and therefore to be admonished for taking unfair advantage.
Touché.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:20:41am |
re: #517 turn
Exactly right, appeasement will get us nowhere with the Taliban nor the euroweenies for that matter.
the Taliban have already won
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:21:04am |
re: #504 turn
I really do worry about the lack of government oversight should the papers go under, on the other hand the MSM is only looking for corruption on the right and is blind to it on the left.
What oversight do the papers perform now? Well, a little.
Interesting, though, that the more conservative Boston Herald seems to be holding on, while the liberal rag Globe is having problems.
So we let the liberal ones go out of business; people buy the conservative ones and learn something.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 12, 2009 7:21:06am |
re: #517 turn
Exactly right, appeasement will get us nowhere with the Taliban nor the euroweenies for that matter.
But it makes the liberals so happy.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 12, 2009 7:21:31am |
re: #506 Ward Cleaver
This is probably coming. The idea is to make the newpapers non-profits (hell, they're not profitable now), and make Web news providers, blogs, etc., pay the newspapers for content they use (even just links, I imagine) from those papers. I don't think they'll survive even as non-profits, because they still have to break even, and pay salaries.
I guess the idea is that private individuals would make contributions as they do now to museums, art institutes, etc. That would cover the operating expenses and be an incentive for people to give money. They touched on the issue of web providers paying the papers for content. I don't know enough bout the issue, but the people I heard on the radio pretty much said it was a nonstarter. Its too late. Not sure about that.
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Kenneth Tue, May 12, 2009 7:21:34am |
re: #512 yochanan
Vancouver is the moonbat capital of Canada, so it's no surprise the US anthem was booed. On the other hand, that crowd probably knows the old Soviet anthem by heart...
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avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 7:21:40am |
re: #496 rightside
Have you amended your tax return yet? You aren't paying your fair share in taxes. Also, you are reporting your income to the IRS that you are getting from the ebay sales of autos, are you not? I'd hate to think you aren't patriotic, by not paying all your taxes.
How did we get to my taxes, and why do I need to amend my tax return ? WTF are my taxes the business of anyone on a forum ?
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turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:22:04am |
re: #495 Erik The Red
Gonna pack up my shit and head home.
Via the pub first.
Later Lizards.
Alright, turn can't wait any longer. How do you guys change the type style on your posts? I see only bold, strikethrough and itallics buttons.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 12, 2009 7:22:16am |
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:22:39am |
re: #509 pingjockey
IIRC, the mad mullahs have Chicom Silkworm antiship missles. When I was over there we called them carrier killers. One ton warhead. Figured one would break my cruiser in half!
Considering oil tankers aren't armored, it would be overkill for a tanker.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 7:22:50am |
re: #514 Creeping Eruption
I am talking about print media and of course, they will still editorialize just in the way an article is written or an issue presented. I was wondering what non-profit status would do to a newspaper's actual editorials, letters to the editor, etc.
I think the newspapers are hoping they'll be able to operate just like they do today (all lefty crap) without having to worry about turning a profit.
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SteveC Tue, May 12, 2009 7:23:10am |
re: #500 pingjockey
Damn, video on FNC. A JAL 747 sucked a bunch of luggage into an engine!
That's JAL's new Luggage Handling System. Your clothes are cleaned and pressed messed during the flight.
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J.S. Tue, May 12, 2009 7:23:16am |
re: #477 Kenneth
I remember that story (but I didn't hear about the follow-up or any clarifications). (On another matter -- I happened to see that Fareed Zakaria program the other day -- the one who's always promoting the "Post American World" and who gleefully proclaims the imminent demise of the United States? yeah, that guy. Anyway, happened to see him in an interview and he was "explaining" how the Americans should conduct the war in Afghanistan -- his "solution"? Well, of course, he advocated the use of open bribery (and corruption) -- no shootin' or bombin' -- rather, ya go in and offer the tribal leaders/war lords wads of cash, along with "development" plans -- paved streets, new houses, flush toilets, etc. Zakaria looked seriously nutty -- flushed and excited at the prospect of spreading around bribe money. Maybe Obama's just following Zakaria's advice...hence the firing and replacement of the generals -- btw, CNN also reported this morning that Mullen was also wanted McKiernan fired...)
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avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 7:23:49am |
re: #513 Nevergiveup
Nope but it sounds a little like political interference to me, especially since they made up a new post of "Deputy Commander" and put Gate's number 1 adviser in that spot.
Call me crazy, but I have a lot of faith in Gates.
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Lincolntf Tue, May 12, 2009 7:24:02am |
re: #525 avanti
Agreed.
Taxes aren't even important to the Treasury Secretary that your beloved Obama entrusted to run our economy, so why they should matter on a forum?
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:24:05am |
re: #518 eddie- the Aggravator
I have four extra tickets for the Robbie Knievel (son of Evil Knievel) Event at the Ford Center next weekend in Beaumont , Texas , if anybody wants them.
He's going to try to jump 1,000 Obama supporters with a bulldozer.
Should be a good time.
Let me know
That's barely a start. Is this the St. Pancake Memorial Event or something?
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turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:24:06am |
re: #500 pingjockey
Damn, video on FNC. A JAL 747 sucked a bunch of luggage into an engine!
I saw that and throught how the hell did that happen? Hey ping, I saw you post upthread about frost. That's going to suck for the apple growers.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 7:24:49am |
re: #523 Creeping Eruption
I guess the idea is that private individuals would make contributions as they do now to museums, art institutes, etc. That would cover the operating expenses and be an incentive for people to give money. They touched on the issue of web providers paying the papers for content. I don't know enough bout the issue, but the people I heard on the radio pretty much said it was a nonstarter. Its too late. Not sure about that.
In places like SF where there are plenty of lefties with money, the papers might survive, but even that is doubtful, IMHO.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 12, 2009 7:25:10am |
re: #529 Ward Cleaver
I think the newspapers are hoping they'll be able to operate just like they do today (all lefty crap) without having to worry about turning a profit.
Probably
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 12, 2009 7:26:39am |
re: #536 Ward Cleaver
In places like SF where there are plenty of lefties with money, the papers might survive, but even that is doubtful, IMHO.
Survival of the fittest . . . or most relevant. All the print thats simply not fit?
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 12, 2009 7:26:48am |
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turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:28:28am |
re: #501 albusteve
The only thing I glean from these polls is that this country is polarized, roughly 50% heavily support O's policies and 50% heavily oppose them. The other thing I realize is that Avanti isn't going to change any minds here but he's too stubborn to quit trying.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:28:29am |
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soxfan4life Tue, May 12, 2009 7:28:41am |
re: #532 avanti
Call me crazy, but I have a lot of faith in Gates.
Gates can't hold Rumsfeld's jock. As far as SecDef's go we need another Dick Cheney.
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:28:48am |
re: #535 turn
Apple, Cherry, Pear, Nectarines, Apricots, Peaches!
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:30:08am |
re: #544 pingjockey
Apple, Cherry, Pear, Nectarines, Apricots, Peaches!
Barney Frank!
/we are naming fruits, right?
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:30:25am |
re: #540 SteveC
I'll second. Can we call the vote?
Call the vote.
And remember Gates blocked Israel from getting bunker buster bombs under the Bush administration. And it looks like Israel won't be able to get F-35s or even the latest F-15.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:30:38am |
re: #541 turn
The only thing I glean from these polls is that this country is polarized, roughly 50% heavily support O's policies and 50% heavily oppose them. The other thing I realize is that Avanti isn't going to change any minds here but he's too stubborn to quit trying.
we need to mobilize the massive bloc of nonvoters, most of whom are conservative by definition...problem solved
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lurking faith Tue, May 12, 2009 7:31:22am |
re: #544 pingjockey
Apple, Cherry, Pear, Nectarines, Apricots, Peaches!
What area are you in, that may lose its fruit buds?
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opnion Tue, May 12, 2009 7:31:32am |
Pelosi is now getting more creative about he prior knowledge of the usage of water boarding.
She was briefed as the new Minority Leader & says that she voiced no objection because (I am now paraphrasing) she did not want to violate seniority protocols.
Ok, first she never heard it, then she heard it but thought that it was just theoretical & now she didn't object because she did not want to be impolite.
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SteveC Tue, May 12, 2009 7:31:42am |
re: #544 pingjockey
Apple, Cherry, Pear, Nectarines, Apricots, Peaches!
Apple peaches pumpkin pie,
You were young and so was I.
Now that we've grown up it seems
You just keep ignoring me. - Jay and the Techniques
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turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:31:44am |
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Golem Akbar Tue, May 12, 2009 7:32:09am |
re: #536 Ward Cleaver
In places like SF where there are plenty of lefties with money, the papers might survive, but even that is doubtful, IMHO.
The SF Chronicle (Wronicle) is about to go under. Yeah, even there!
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:32:21am |
re: #550 lurking faith
Wenatchee, WA. area. Eastern slope of the Cascades.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:32:30am |
Iraqi chutzpah
Iraq is considering suing Israel over the attack on the Osiraq reactor
The interesting part is, they have to do so without recognizing Israel.
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SteveC Tue, May 12, 2009 7:33:56am |
re: #556 Kosh's Shadow
Iraqi chutzpah
Iraq is considering suing Israel over the attack on the Osiraq reactor
The interesting part is, they have to do so without recognizing Israel.
"While we weren't looking, minding our own business, somebody blew our f***in' reactor up!"
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Golem Akbar Tue, May 12, 2009 7:34:01am |
re: #548 albusteve
we need to mobilize the massive bloc of nonvoters, most of whom are conservative by definition...problem solved
Yes. We only lack leadership. We can get the numbers if we can only get the leaders.
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jorline Tue, May 12, 2009 7:34:13am |
re: #518 eddie- the Aggravator
I have four extra tickets for the Robbie Knievel (son of Evil Knievel) Event at the Ford Center next weekend in Beaumont , Texas , if anybody wants them.
He's going to try to jump 1,000 Obama supporters with a bulldozer.
Should be a good time.
Let me know
Actually I heard it was 30 buses with everyone Obama has thrown under the bus present...including "The Righteous Revered Wright".
The bulldozer will make it interesting...St. Pancake II?
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 7:34:49am |
re: #543 soxfan4life
Gates can't hold Rumsfeld's jock. As far as SecDef's go we need another Dick Cheney.
He'd scare the shit out the Taliban.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:34:50am |
re: #556 Kosh's Shadow
Iraqi chutzpah
Iraq is considering suing Israel over the attack on the Osiraq reactor
The interesting part is, they have to do so without recognizing Israel.
And if they win, expect suits from Japan and Germany over WWII.
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Lincolntf Tue, May 12, 2009 7:34:56am |
re: #551 opnion
That woman is an absolute disgrace. If the Dems had a single honorable person in Congress who was willing to state the obvious (that a bald-faced liar is useless in the role of Speaker) then she'd be out on her ass. Unfortunately, the culture of corruption and deception that elevated Pelosi will also work to protect her.
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KenJen Tue, May 12, 2009 7:35:38am |
re: #551 opnion
Pelosi is now getting more creative about he prior knowledge of the usage of water boarding.
She was briefed as the new Minority Leader & says that she voiced no objection because (I am now paraphrasing) she did not want to violate seniority protocols.
Ok, first she never heard it, then she heard it but thought that it was just theoretical & now she didn't object because she did not want to be impolite.
She must be spending too much time around John Kerry.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 7:35:42am |
re: #554 Golem Akbar
The SF Chronicle (Wronicle) is about to go under. Yeah, even there!
Jumping up and down now.
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avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 7:35:55am |
re: #541 turn
The only thing I glean from these polls is that this country is polarized, roughly 50% heavily support O's policies and 50% heavily oppose them. The other thing I realize is that Avanti isn't going to change any minds here but he's too stubborn to quit trying.
Not here to change minds, just letting you peek into the mind of that other half.
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turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:35:58am |
re: #521 Kosh's Shadow
What oversight do the papers perform now? Well, a little.
Interesting, though, that the more conservative Boston Herald seems to be holding on, while the liberal rag Globe is having problems.
So we let the liberal ones go out of business; people buy the conservative ones and learn something.
There you go. Obviously people are getting their news and advertising for free on the internet and they will be going to sites where the can trust the reporting. I think it will tilt right, talk radio is overwhelmingly right too. btw, they are sure giving the Shuttle a check out. Where did all that space junk at that altitude come from kos?
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lurking faith Tue, May 12, 2009 7:36:02am |
re: #555 pingjockey
Ah. Sounds like major crops, then.
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:36:46am |
re: #562 Lincolntf
Honor in both houses and on both sides is in very short supply.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:36:49am |
re: #553 turn
Are you saying we should throw in the towel al?
I would certainly consider it....do you really expect BO to slam the Talib with the 10th Mnt and the friggin Air Cav and get it over with?....they are running loose all over the place driving massive numbers of refugees ahead of them...the Pakis are spinning their wheels and the numbers and are simply trying to survive....who's got the nukes?...do you believe they are secure?...the Talibal will use the next hundred years to attain their goals if they need to....the alternative is total annihilation...who's gonna do the dirty work?
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turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:37:15am |
re: #522 soxfan4life
But it makes the liberals so happy.
It is so much a feel good thing with the left, it makes you wonder why they are always so friggin angry.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 7:37:21am |
re: #568 pingjockey
Honor in both houses and on both sides is in very short supply.
Two words: term limits.
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:37:22am |
re: #567 lurking faith
Yep. Over 3 billion dollars, IIRC.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 7:37:46am |
re: #570 turn
It is so much a feel good thing with the left, it makes you wonder why they are always so friggin angry.
We're not socialist enough yet.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:38:11am |
re: #566 turn
btw, they are sure giving the Shuttle a check out. Where did all that space junk at that altitude come from kos?
I'm not sure why there is more junk at the Hubble altitude, actually. I don't have time to look it up right now.
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CommonCents Tue, May 12, 2009 7:38:29am |
BBC Appoints Muslim to top religous post.
The BBC yesterday appointed a Muslim as its head of religious programming
The Church of England points out that 70 per cent of the population of Britain professes to be Christian, but only 3 per cent are Muslims.
But one corporation insider suggested the BBC would have been in breach of employment law if it had failed to give the job to Mr Ahmed.
He was the best-qualified for the post, they said, and a decision to turn him down would have amounted to discrimination.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:38:43am |
re: #565 avanti
Not here to change minds, just letting you peek into the mind of that other half.
we understood your kind years before you showed up...you are nothing special...
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pingjockey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:38:50am |
re: #571 Ward Cleaver
Yep. The founders never intended for an elite ruling class, disconnected from the people they are supposed to serve.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 12, 2009 7:38:53am |
re: #547 Kosh's Shadow
Call the vote.
And remember Gates blocked Israel from getting bunker buster bombs under the Bush administration. And it looks like Israel won't be able to get F-35s or even the latest F-15.
Where are you getting that from. I know they are having problems putting their own stuff in the F-35 and being able to repair the computer systems, but?
| 580 |
turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:39:29am |
re: #523 Creeping Eruption
Gut feel, turn doesn't think it would work anyway. With the internet print media is dead.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:40:49am |
re: #569 albusteve
I would certainly consider it....do you really expect BO to slam the Talib with the 10th Mnt and the friggin Air Cav and get it over with?....they are running loose all over the place driving massive numbers of refugees ahead of them...the Pakis are spinning their wheels and the numbers and are simply trying to survive....who's got the nukes?...do you believe they are secure?...the Talibal will use the next hundred years to attain their goals if they need to....the alternative is total annihilation...who's gonna do the dirty work?
I don't think the nukes are secure, and I think India is nervous and trying to track them.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 12, 2009 7:40:50am |
re: #580 turn
Gut feel, turn doesn't think it would work anyway. With the internet print media is dead.
Agree
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 12, 2009 7:41:11am |
Japan, Russia agree to boost nuclear cooperation
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
That's called hedging your bets with Obama in the White House?
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avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 7:41:45am |
re: #548 albusteve
we need to mobilize the massive bloc of nonvoters, most of whom are conservative by definition...problem solved
The problem with that idea, is that BHO polls even better among the general population then registered voters. Many none voters are minorities, or young voters, and they trend to the left. The biggest block of swing voters are the independents, and that group is growing. I'm convinced you need to pull from the middle, not enough strength just from conservatives to win today.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 7:42:00am |
re: #577 pingjockey
Yep. The founders never intended for an elite ruling class, disconnected from the people they are supposed to serve.
I think they would have put term limits in from the start, if they had any inkling that things would get like they are today.
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J.S. Tue, May 12, 2009 7:42:07am |
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CommonCents Tue, May 12, 2009 7:42:07am |
re: #575 CommonCents
This group of wildcats running the BBC is rich. Here's another clip from the article...
There were deep reservations among church leaders eight years ago when for the first time the corporation appointed an atheist to the role.
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Cognito Tue, May 12, 2009 7:42:19am |
re: #582 Creeping Eruption
Agree
Woe to the country if newspapers -- not necessarily on paper -- don't survive. They're the only real informers of the American public. Everything else is dependent on the work they do.
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Kenneth Tue, May 12, 2009 7:42:22am |
re: #531 J.S.
McChrystal to replace McKiernan in Afghanistan war
Gates said only himself, Mullen and U.S. Central Command chief Gen. David Petraeus were involved in the decision to remove McKiernan earlier than the routine 18- to 24-month tour for such a post.
My guess is the vote was 2-to-1.
Zakaria sees the solution to every problem in crossing palms with cash. There's an old saying,
"You can't buy a Afghan... but for the right price, you can rent him!"
The bribing approach will only go so far: the US can pay villagers to keep their young men from joining the Taliban (many of whom do so for money and under duress). But that will only work if the US also brings security. If the hardcore Taliban still shows up in the night to kill collaborators, then forget bribing your way out of this war. It won't work. For the same reasons, development programs can only work if there is security. Security comes first.
In Iraq, Petraeus brought security to the people by having US troops living among them and protecting them from attack. When the Sunni tribes learned that the US wasn't going to hit & run this time, they came over to our side. To do this took a surge in troop numbers (both US & Iraqi).
It looks like Obama will stop far short of the necessary troop levels to do that in Af-Pak. Instead, he thinks he can finesse it with an emphasis on Special Forces.
| 590 |
irongrampa Tue, May 12, 2009 7:42:34am |
Morning from the Adirondacks--another gorgeous day here. Unfortunately, the Committee has decided that our bathroom is the wrong color, which means that the tile floor is also incorrect. Post meeting, it's been decided that Labor is tasked to rectify these shortcomings.
Sucks to be Labor lately.
| 591 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, May 12, 2009 7:43:16am |
re: #588 Cognito
Woe to the country if newspapers -- not necessarily on paper -- don't survive. They're the only real informers of the American public. Everything else is dependent on the work they do.
We are talking about paper.
| 592 |
justabill Tue, May 12, 2009 7:43:54am |
re: #507 Kosh's Shadow
What other kind is there? But remember, poodles were originally bred in Germany.
I am not really a dog expert, but I thought french poodles were only one type of poodle. For some reason "Toy" poodle also comes to mind, but that may not be a breed in and of itself. Like I said not a dog expert...
| 593 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:43:55am |
re: #590 irongrampa
Morning from the Adirondacks--another gorgeous day here. Unfortunately, the Committee has decided that our bathroom is the wrong color, which means that the tile floor is also incorrect. Post meeting, it's been decided that Labor is tasked to rectify these shortcomings.
Sucks to be Labor lately.
Not if you are UAW
| 594 |
lawhawk Tue, May 12, 2009 7:44:04am |
re: #583 Nevergiveup
Well, the US is falling behind on nuclear technologies primarily because of Democrats like Harry Reid and other NIMBYots. The Japanese are moving forward with their nuclear power program, and the Russians continue with theirs.
They aren't going to wait for the US.
Despite the Administration's claims that they want to get off fossil fuels, they don't have any alternatives that would make up the shortfall primarily because nuclear isn't viewed as a viable option (and the impasse caused by Reid over the storage of the nation's nuclear wastes is a big reason why).
| 595 |
lurking faith Tue, May 12, 2009 7:44:19am |
re: #572 pingjockey
That's gotta hurt. Yeesh. And (on a purely selfish note) if the freeze does happen, it could be a year where I can't afford to order myself some Michigan-grown fruits. (I do miss the flavors I grew up on.)
| 596 |
turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:44:28am |
re: #544 pingjockey
Apple, Cherry, Pear, Nectarines, Apricots, Peaches!
That's pretty country up there, I'll have to get back some day. I have quite a few very long lost relatives in Spokane and Yakima btw.
| 597 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 7:44:45am |
re: #588 Cognito
Woe to the country if newspapers -- not necessarily on paper -- don't survive. They're the only real informers of the American public. Everything else is dependent on the work they do.
Yes, they must keep us filled with hopenchange.
| 598 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:45:11am |
re: #578 Nevergiveup
Where are you getting that from. I know they are having problems putting their own stuff in the F-35 and being able to repair the computer systems, but?
I think it was on Israelnationalnews, but the site isn't working right now.
With the F-35, the US is now thinking of making it nuclear capable, which prevents anyone other than NATO allies from getting it, and the pre-export licenses for the latest F-15, which would allow Israel to evaluate the specs, haven't been issued.
| 599 |
irongrampa Tue, May 12, 2009 7:45:12am |
re: #593 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
This is strictly a non-union shop.
| 600 |
albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:45:12am |
re: #581 Kosh's Shadow
I don't think the nukes are secure, and I think India is nervous and trying to track them.
India may be the key to the whole thing...if the Paki govt falls, anything might happen...one huge problem with strife in the ME region is that there is so little co-operation between govt's to rid themselves of the Taliban and AQ....the world is full of chicken shits and it makes everything so much more complicated...I have almost no faith
| 601 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, May 12, 2009 7:45:49am |
re: #431 soxfan4life
It was almost without question Petraeus's final decision to replace McKiernan with McChrystal. Why? Likely a **cough, cough** slight change in strategy and tactics from our Comedian-in-Grief. See the top two stories 386. But briefly, Pakistan is now like Afghanistan where outside of Kabul(Islamabad, in the case of Pakistan) Presidente Karzai(Gillani or Zardari, in the case of Pakistan) has/have little, waning or no power and influence with one major situational difference - Pakistan has nukes with a very large army which, like their pol's, are very nationalistic.
If -or when- Islamabad falls I strongly suspect we're going to try and take-out the nukes before they get snatched.
McChrystal is heavy SOA. All-in-all, we've likely a new joint Pakistan-Afghanistan mission where someone probably disagreed.
| 602 |
albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:45:52am |
re: #588 Cognito
Woe to the country if newspapers -- not necessarily on paper -- don't survive. They're the only real informers of the American public. Everything else is dependent on the work they do.
I'll take the woe anyday
| 603 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:45:56am |
re: #583 Nevergiveup
Japan, Russia agree to boost nuclear cooperation
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
That's called hedging your bets with Obama in the White House?
Japan doesn't trust the US any more, especially when we blocked them from support over the North Korean missile launch.
| 604 |
J.S. Tue, May 12, 2009 7:45:57am |
re: #588 Cognito
I agree...newspapers are a must for an informed citizenry.
| 605 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 7:46:26am |
re: #594 lawhawk
Well, the US is falling behind on nuclear technologies primarily because of Democrats like Harry Reid and other NIMBYots. The Japanese are moving forward with their nuclear power program, and the Russians continue with theirs.
They aren't going to wait for the US.
Despite the Administration's claims that they want to get off fossil fuels, they don't have any alternatives that would make up the shortfall primarily because nuclear isn't viewed as a viable option (and the impasse caused by Reid over the storage of the nation's nuclear wastes is a big reason why).
They'll just focus on the most expensive ways to make electricity. Wind farms and solar panels, dude.
| 606 |
turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:46:51am |
re: #545 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Barney Frank!
/we are naming fruits, right?
That was funny BDVM, I'm surprised I'm the only one to ding ya. Can't stand Fwank. Oh shit, turn learned this morning that Rosie has a gay brother who's an assemblyman. jeeze it's worse than I thought.
| 607 |
opnion Tue, May 12, 2009 7:47:23am |
re: #562 Lincolntf
That woman is an absolute disgrace. If the Dems had a single honorable person in Congress who was willing to state the obvious (that a bald-faced liar is useless in the role of Speaker) then she'd be out on her ass. Unfortunately, the culture of corruption and deception that elevated Pelosi will also work to protect her.
Pelosi's position is secure. The irony is that the same people who made snarky comments about Sarah Palin's alleged lack of intellect just avoid noticing how profoundly stupid Pelosi is.
| 608 |
soxfan4life Tue, May 12, 2009 7:47:27am |
re: #605 Ward Cleaver
They'll just focus on the most expensive ways to make electricity. Wind farms and solar panels, dude.
Maybe they'll come up with an ethanol burner.///
| 609 |
avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 7:47:44am |
re: #605 Ward Cleaver
They'll just focus on the most expensive ways to make electricity. Wind farms and solar panels, dude.
That's my biggest gripe with BHO, he is not pro nuke power, and I am.
| 610 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 7:47:46am |
re: #604 J.S.
I agree...newspapers are a must for an informed citizenry.
Yes, so long as they do it fairly, but the newspapers have shown that they won't.
| 611 |
Cognito Tue, May 12, 2009 7:48:01am |
re: #602 albusteve
I'll take the woe anyday
Spoken like someone who hasn't spent much time in a country without a strong independent press.
| 612 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, May 12, 2009 7:48:16am |
re: #608 soxfan4life
Maybe they'll come up with an ethanol burner.///
They can use the closed ethanol plants for kindling.
| 613 |
Nevergiveup Tue, May 12, 2009 7:48:18am |
re: #594 lawhawk
Well, the US is falling behind on nuclear technologies primarily because of Democrats like Harry Reid and other NIMBYots. The Japanese are moving forward with their nuclear power program, and the Russians continue with theirs.
They aren't going to wait for the US.
Despite the Administration's claims that they want to get off fossil fuels, they don't have any alternatives that would make up the shortfall primarily because nuclear isn't viewed as a viable option (and the impasse caused by Reid over the storage of the nation's nuclear wastes is a big reason why).
Yup
| 614 |
soxfan4life Tue, May 12, 2009 7:48:41am |
re: #609 avanti
That's my biggest gripe with BHO, he is not pro nuke power, and I am.
My biggest gripe is I am pro America and he is not.
| 615 |
turn Tue, May 12, 2009 7:48:52am |
re: #558 Golem Akbar
Yes. We only lack leadership. We can get the numbers if we can only get the leaders.
Right now Newt looks good to me, we need another contract with America.
| 616 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 7:49:03am |
re: #609 avanti
That's my biggest gripe with BHO, he is not pro nuke power, and I am.
The wind farms will all be built where only rural folks will have to put up with the racket they make, while city dwellers enjoy all the benefits.
| 617 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:49:15am |
re: #592 justabill
I am not really a dog expert, but I thought french poodles were only one type of poodle. For some reason "Toy" poodle also comes to mind, but that may not be a breed in and of itself. Like I said not a dog expert...
All poodles are "French poodles", but there are different sizes: toy, miniature, and standard. (There are also "tiny" and "teacup" poodles, but the AKC doesn't recognize them,)
And I think poodles consider being called "French" an insult, but they will still strut with that ridiculous show cut. (Ours are cut to look like normal dogs)
| 618 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:49:19am |
re: #594 lawhawk
Well, the US is falling behind on nuclear technologies primarily because of Democrats like Harry Reid and other NIMBYots. The Japanese are moving forward with their nuclear power program, and the Russians continue with theirs.
They aren't going to wait for the US.
Despite the Administration's claims that they want to get off fossil fuels, they don't have any alternatives that would make up the shortfall primarily because nuclear isn't viewed as a viable option (and the impasse caused by Reid over the storage of the nation's nuclear wastes is a big reason why).
You mean there isn't enough wind & sunshine to power the United States?
/
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irongrampa Tue, May 12, 2009 7:49:50am |
re: #604 J.S.
True. All newspapers, however, are biased. This--to me- doesn't present a problem, as long as the bias stays on the op-Ed pages. Unfortunately, bias has been allowed to creep into the hard news, and until that's corrected, I think papers will continue to decline.
| 620 |
Golem Akbar Tue, May 12, 2009 7:50:00am |
re: #584 avanti
The problem with that idea, is that BHO polls even better among the general population then registered voters. Many none voters are minorities, or young voters, and they trend to the left. The biggest block of swing voters are the independents, and that group is growing. I'm convinced you need to pull from the middle, not enough strength just from conservatives to win today.
My opinion is that today's middle-of-the-roaders are tomorrow's conservatives. It's funny how in the past, the JFK liberals (I was one) are today's conservatives.
| 621 |
acwgusa Tue, May 12, 2009 7:50:19am |
re: #611 Cognito
Spoken like someone who hasn't spent much time in a country without a strong independent press.
When the US gets a strong, independent press, and not the Democratic Bootlicking newspapers, and the crazed Fox News, call me.
| 622 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:50:26am |
re: #615 turn
Right now Newt looks good to me, we need another contract with America.
I'd prefer a Lizard to a Newt, but the principle is the same.
| 623 |
avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 7:50:30am |
re: #610 Ward Cleaver
Yes, so long as they do it fairly, but the newspapers have shown that they won't.
They may have a liberal bias, but they do the real "Watergate" style journalism we need to keep the government honest.
| 624 |
lurking faith Tue, May 12, 2009 7:50:35am |
re: #574 Kosh's Shadow
I'm not sure why there is more junk at the Hubble altitude, actually. I don't have time to look it up right now.
Probably a good altitude for maintaining an orbit, gravitationally speaking. Also probably a useful altitude for satellite functions.
/I don't have time to look it up, either
| 625 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 12, 2009 7:50:48am |
Morning all. I think most of you know I'm an optimistic guy in general, but this article is just devastating to me:
One snippet:
The attackers shot at the group of fifteen survivors with what police assume was plastic air gun pellets. One person was hit in the head while another was injured by a shot in the neck.
That's right. These bastards actually SHOT at the survivors. Plastic pellets? So What!
I've put in a call to Dante, to let him know we need another six or seven circles of Hell if he's up to it.
| 626 |
Kenneth Tue, May 12, 2009 7:50:53am |
re: #551 opnion
Pelosi ... says that she voiced no objection because she did not want to violate seniority protocols.
That's why these security briefings were in secret: so Senators could speak their minds about Top Secret security issues without revealing issues of national security. Does she expect people to swallow the notion that no congressman or senator, has ever raised objections to policy on security issues in a closed committee session?
And how then does she explain the fact she and many other Democrats later spoke out publicly against the policy, thereby violating those very same "security protocols"?
Pelosi's excuse is pathetic.
| 627 |
albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:51:04am |
re: #611 Cognito
Spoken like someone who hasn't spent much time in a country without a strong independent press.
our press is a disgrace...it is neither fair or unbiased, therefore it has little use of keeping people informed...btw your opinion mean little to me
| 628 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:51:13am |
re: #623 avanti
They may have a liberal bias, but they do the real "Watergate" style journalism we need to keep the government [when a Republican is in power - ed. note] honest.
| 629 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:51:32am |
re: #611 Cognito
Spoken like someone who hasn't spent much time in a country without a strong independent press.
After this election, I don't think we have an independent press; it is the PR arm of the Democratic party.
| 630 |
lawhawk Tue, May 12, 2009 7:51:39am |
Meanwhile, the Iranians are supposedly prepping for a pending Israeli airstrike against Iranian nuclear facilities by deploying anti-aircraft missile systems.
Curious. I guess someone should take photos showing all those locations, and match 'em up with what everyone else considers to be targets and see if there are discrepancies. It just makes it easier to see where the targets have to be.
At the same time, the regime is doing all it can to protect the regime by claiming that there are plots to undermine the legitimacy of the elections scheduled for next month. This way, the regime will be able to claim victory, even if they lose all by saying it was an evil plot by the Zionists or the West to see them fail.
| 631 |
Lincolntf Tue, May 12, 2009 7:51:48am |
re: #597 Ward Cleaver
I like the newspapers because it's like getting a chance to read the opponent's game-plan every morning. Besides, if it wasn't for pointing out the lies of omission and the poorly disguised politicking that make up the bulk of major newspapers, then we'd all still think of journalism as an honorable profession.
I assume most will fail, but the news itself isn't going anywhere. Who needs a three paragraph AP summary of an event when you can log on and watch a video of the actual event?
| 632 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:52:22am |
re: #615 turn
Right now Newt looks good to me, we need another contract with America.
As opposed to BHO's contract on America.
| 633 |
albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:52:43am |
re: #623 avanti
They may have a liberal bias, but they do the real "Watergate" style journalism we need to keep the government honest.
give a few examples
| 634 |
nyc redneck Tue, May 12, 2009 7:53:21am |
re: #517 turn
Exactly right, appeasement will get us nowhere with the Taliban nor the euroweenies for that matter.
appeasement=cowardice.
making concessions to committed enemies to maintain peace (buy time.)
never works.
| 635 |
vxbush Tue, May 12, 2009 7:53:35am |
Morning, everyone. Crazy weekend, crazy Monday, and kitties in bed means I am tired today. What's up? What have I missed on LGF the last few days? I mean, it was worth missing, as my daughter graduated college, but I still feel this hole....
| 636 |
Cognito Tue, May 12, 2009 7:53:39am |
re: #627 albusteve
our press is a disgrace...it is neither fair or unbiased, therefore it has little use of keeping people informed...btw your opinion mean little to me
You've got to divorce the issue of bias from survival of a free press.
The answer to muddied water isn't "We don't need water," but "We need to unmuddy the much-needed water."
| 637 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:53:45am |
re: #631 Lincolntf
I assume most will fail, but the news itself isn't going anywhere. Who needs a three paragraph AP summary of an event when you can log on and watch a video of the actual event?
I know I can't wait until tomorrow morning to find out what happened today!
| 638 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:53:50am |
re: #624 lurking faith
Probably a good altitude for maintaining an orbit, gravitationally speaking. Also probably a useful altitude for satellite functions.
/I don't have time to look it up, either
Well, it is high enough to avoid much atmospheric drag, but low enough to not require large rockets to get there.
| 639 |
lawhawk Tue, May 12, 2009 7:54:06am |
re: #605 Ward Cleaver
Here in NJ, there are several offshore wind power projects being considered, and they finally got approval to install wind sensors to see if the sites are viable.
You would think that they would have done the sensor installations before the permitting process - to see if it even makes sense to have those offshore wind farms (bass-ackward if you ask me). Putting those wind farms offshore limits the NIMBY response, but it vastly increases the costs. Silly doesn't begin to describe the situation.
| 640 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, May 12, 2009 7:54:08am |
re: #611 Cognito
Spoken like someone who hasn't spent much time in a country without a strong independent press.
Part of the problem with the declining press is that instead of following through on their commitment to being neutral, they have decided to take a side. I think a lot of people are angry over the choice the press has made. Prior to the mid-20th Century, newspapers did not claim to be unbiased. They chose a side and admitted it to their readers. They did not claim to be something they were not, as they do currently.
| 641 |
avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 7:54:19am |
re: #628 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I said "Watergate style", they exposed Clinton's BJ and the Edwards affair too.
| 642 |
justabill Tue, May 12, 2009 7:55:12am |
re: #617 Kosh's Shadow
All poodles are "French poodles", but there are different sizes: toy, miniature, and standard. (There are also "tiny" and "teacup" poodles, but the AKC doesn't recognize them,)
And I think poodles consider being called "French" an insult, but they will still strut with that ridiculous show cut. (Ours are cut to look like normal dogs)
Learn something new every day. Thanks for the info.
| 643 |
jcm Tue, May 12, 2009 7:55:12am |
Morning Honcos.
Here's a tip for ya' when cops ask you to stop.... don't friggin' run away.
Edmonds man critically injured after wrongly identified in Belltown assault
When two King County sheriff's deputies ran toward Harris, he took off down an alley, despite the deputies' calls for him to stop.
That way the cops won't tackle your ass and your gourd won't bounce off a wall.
| 644 |
acwgusa Tue, May 12, 2009 7:55:33am |
re: #641 avanti
I said "Watergate style", they exposed Clinton's BJ and the Edwards affair too.
The Tabloids beat the newspapers to the Edwards affair.
| 645 |
Lincolntf Tue, May 12, 2009 7:55:35am |
re: #623 avanti
Yeah, they jumped all over Rangel's tax scam, Obama's cozy housing deal with a jailed developer, the despicable Chicago politics that produced our Pres., the mysterious "votes" generated by Acorn, etc.
Quite the little watchdogs they are.
| 646 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:56:01am |
re: #641 avanti
I said "Watergate style", they exposed Clinton's BJ and the Edwards affair too.
Which were gossip rag nonsense, not real news of corruption, fraud & deceit.
| 647 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, May 12, 2009 7:56:02am |
re: #635 vxbush
Morning, everyone. Crazy weekend, crazy Monday, and kitties in bed means I am tired today. What's up? What have I missed on LGF the last few days? I mean, it was worth missing, as my daughter graduated college, but I still feel this hole....
Congrats on the graduation.
| 648 |
opnion Tue, May 12, 2009 7:56:20am |
re: #626 Kenneth
That's why these security briefings were in secret: so Senators could speak their minds about Top Secret security issues without revealing issues of national security. Does she expect people to swallow the notion that no congressman or senator, has ever raised objections to policy on security issues in a closed committee session?
And how then does she explain the fact she and many other Democrats later spoke out publicly against the policy, thereby violating those very same "security protocols"?
Pelosi's excuse is pathetic.
I think that they just ran her latest excuse up the flag pole to se who woul salute. They are probably already frafting another explanation.
| 649 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, May 12, 2009 7:56:23am |
re: #636 Cognito
You've got to divorce the issue of bias from survival of a free press...
Why, because you wave you hand like a magician and tell us to ignore the man behind the curtain? Not likely.
| 650 |
Killgore Trout Tue, May 12, 2009 7:56:33am |
The Nazis are active this morning.....
Neo-Nazi group holds militia training in West Hungary
The Hungarian National Front (MNA), a self-professed Neo-Nazi organisation, held militia training near Gyor (NW Hungary) earlier in the month, national daily Nepszabadsag reported on Friday.
MNA recruitment pamphlets seen by the paper urge anyone who is not "gay, Gypsy or Jew" to sign up to its militia training camps, promising an era of "blood and iron".
The MNA plans to join forces with the Unified Hungary Movement and already has a pact with the Pax Hungarica Movement, whose leader was recently a speaker at a Holocaust-denial event, the paper said.
The far-right movements believe they can gain momentum from the economic crisis and domestic political uncertainty, it added.
| 651 |
jcm Tue, May 12, 2009 7:56:47am |
re: #623 avanti
They may have a liberal bias, but they do the real "Watergate" style journalism we need to keep the government honest.
Huh?
Where was the digging real "Watergate" style journalism into BHO?
| 653 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 7:57:35am |
re: #643 jcm
Morning Honcos.
Here's a tip for ya' when cops ask you to stop.... don't friggin' run away.
Edmonds man critically injured after wrongly identified in Belltown assault
That way the cops won't tackle your ass and your gourd won't bounce off a wall.
I agree. Be respectful to the police. If they're some of the bad ones, get a lawyer later. Most are good (and that's from my defense lawyer wife).
If you run, they will chase. And they won't be happy when they catch you.
| 654 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, May 12, 2009 7:58:27am |
re: #650 Killgore Trout
The Nazis are active this morning.....
Neo-Nazi group holds militia training in West Hungary
Europe seems to be falling down the hole again. Did you see the one (#625) where the neo-Nazis in Austria shot at Holocaust survivors? That's some despicable evil, IMHO.
| 655 |
lurking faith Tue, May 12, 2009 7:58:28am |
re: #588 Cognito
Woe to the country if newspapers -- not necessarily on paper -- don't survive. They're the only real informers of the American public. Everything else is dependent on the work they do.
Done honestly, journalism is a vital public service.
But most "news outlets" haven't been doing an honest job for many years now. Intentionally or not.
| 656 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 7:58:38am |
re: #650 Killgore Trout
The Nazis are active this morning.....
Neo-Nazi group holds militia training in West Hungary
Shouldn't Hungarian fascists be neo-Horthians rather than neo-Hitlerians?
| 657 |
acwgusa Tue, May 12, 2009 7:58:42am |
Just because newspapers die due to new technology, doesn't mean the press won't be free, it just won't be held by meganews corporations.
| 658 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, May 12, 2009 7:59:30am |
re: #653 Kosh's Shadow
I agree. Be respectful to the police. If they're some of the bad ones, get a lawyer later. Most are good (and that's from my defense lawyer wife).
If you run, they will chase. And they won't be happy when they catch you.
In the last three weeks two different people have run from the cops and jumped in the Milwaukee river to evade them. One was a shoplifter (they fished her out) and the other they just wanted to question. The second guy is up for a Darwin Award.
| 659 |
jcm Tue, May 12, 2009 7:59:32am |
re: #636 Cognito
You've got to divorce the issue of bias from survival of a free press.
The answer to muddied water isn't "We don't need water," but "We need to unmuddy the much-needed water."
The bias is the reason for survival problems.
| 660 |
albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 7:59:39am |
re: #636 Cognito
You've got to divorce the issue of bias from survival of a free press.
The answer to muddied water isn't "We don't need water," but "We need to unmuddy the much-needed water."
don't be ridiculous...what a silly analogy
| 661 |
rightside Tue, May 12, 2009 8:00:10am |
re: #651 jcm
Asking the one about what has enchanted him about becoming president, doesn't qualify?
| 662 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:00:36am |
re: #625 subsailor68
re: #650 Killgore Trout
Morning Killgore. They certainly are. Between my 625 above, and your post, it's really becoming clear why Charles wants to focus a bit on the people that are, intentionally or otherwise, aligning themselves with animals like these.
And, boy, am I with Charles 110% on that after reading these articles!
| 663 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, May 12, 2009 8:01:02am |
re: #636 Cognito
You've got to divorce the issue of bias from survival of a free press.
The answer to muddied water isn't "We don't need water," but "We need to unmuddy the much-needed water."
/Talk about muddying the issue.
| 664 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, May 12, 2009 8:01:35am |
re: #660 albusteve
don't be ridiculous...what a silly analogy
I hope no one pays Cognito for writing that tripe.
| 665 |
justabill Tue, May 12, 2009 8:01:37am |
re: #651 jcm
Huh?
Where was the digging real "Watergate" style journalism into BHO?
"Watergate" style reporting is the press going after a republican. Does not apply in this case.
| 666 |
J.S. Tue, May 12, 2009 8:01:53am |
re: #619 irongrampa
If one considers the Pulitzer Prize for the last two years, (from wiki: "2008: The Washington Post, "For the work of Dana Priest, Anne Hull and photographer Michel du Cille in exposing mistreatment of wounded veterans at Walter Reed Hospital, evoking a national outcry and producing reforms by federal officials."
2009: Las Vegas Sun and notably Alexandra Berzon, "for the exposure of the high death rate among construction workers on the Las Vegas Strip amid lax enforcement of regulations, leading to changes in policy and improved safety conditions"), just these two examples are what newspapers do -- and it's because they have the resources to do the investigative reporting. The reporters follow a lead, they investigate, they examine what's going on -- and this all takes lots of time and money. (The "internet" and "blogs" -- maybe -- maybe there's some critquing role to play in terms of a "new media" -- but, imo, newspapers cannot and should not be replaced.)
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 8:02:13am |
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 12, 2009 8:02:21am |
re: #658 Creeping Eruption
In the last three weeks two different people have run from the cops and jumped in the Milwaukee river to evade them. One was a shoplifter (they fished her out) and the other they just wanted to question. The second guy is up for a Darwin Award.
That's about as good as the couple who decided to commit credit card fraud on Saturday on the Mag Mile, in a busy crowd, just past noon. They tried to evade the cops, a man has trouble starting to car so he bolts down an alley. The woman keeps trying to start the car. Cops ask her to stop, even using chemical sprays. She makes a grab for his gun and gets shot. Later on, the man comes back asking cops if she was shot.
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UFO TOFU Tue, May 12, 2009 8:02:40am |
OT, but interesting:
AEDC successfully tests fighter engine on alternative fuel
In February, a team of engineers at Arnold Engineering Development Center (AEDC) in Arnold Air Force Base, TN, successfully conducted back-to-back comparative tests between JP-8 conventional jet fuel and a 50:50 blend of JP-8 and Fischer-Tropsch (FT) derived synthetic fuel (synfuel) on a General Electric F110 engine.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 12, 2009 8:03:05am |
re: #668 Honorary Yooper
That's about as good as the couple who decided to commit credit card fraud on Saturday on the Mag Mile, in a busy crowd, just past noon. They tried to evade the cops, a man has trouble starting to car so he bolts down an alley. The woman keeps trying to start the car. Cops ask her to stop, even using chemical sprays. She makes a grab for his gun and gets shot. Later on, the man comes back asking cops if she was shot.
And who said there is no cure for stupidity?
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:03:07am |
re: #636 Cognito
You've got to divorce the issue of bias from survival of a free press.
The answer to muddied water isn't "We don't need water," but "We need to unmuddy the much-needed water."
So the press gets a free pass just because a free society "needs" it to survive?
What rubbish !
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 12, 2009 8:03:12am |
re: #654 Honorary Yooper
Yeah, They seem to be getting bolder. Parties like BNP and Vlaams Belang are gaining in the polls. Ron Paul and Buchanan are getting more popular here. Very much not good.
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jcm Tue, May 12, 2009 8:03:37am |
re: #653 Kosh's Shadow
I agree. Be respectful to the police. If they're some of the bad ones, get a lawyer later. Most are good (and that's from my defense lawyer wife).
If you run, they will chase. And they won't be happy when they catch you.
I got taken down in a felon stop once. Yelling, screaming guys pointing guns at me the whole meal deal.
I didn't say shit, and fully cooperated until I was cuffed and under control. Then asked politely what was going on.
Only took another 15 minutes to straighten out I was not an armed bank robber. Could have of been very different if I'd tried to argue and protest while they thought I was armed and dangerous.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 8:03:45am |
re: #671 sattv4u2
So the press gets a free pass just because a free society "needs" it to survive?
What rubbish !
UNMUDDY THE MUCH NEEDED WATER!
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Golem Akbar Tue, May 12, 2009 8:03:53am |
re: #657 acwgusa
Just because newspapers die due to new technology, doesn't mean the press won't be free, it just won't be held by meganews corporations.
I have to agree. News media will have to reinvent itself to stay viable. The western media (including the Aussie version) will probably take the lead in that reinvention. My guess is that something owned by Rupert Murdoch will probably soon become the model for media change, since that company seems the most inventive. And the blogosphere will most likely be a key part of that reinvention.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 8:04:15am |
re: #660 albusteve
don't be ridiculous...what a silly analogy
Actually the "muddy water" analogy isn't too bad, but it is more like poisonous water. We need water, yes, but sometimes, the water is bad for you. A press that presents only one side, and leaves out very important information, can poison the country.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 8:04:19am |
re: #669 UFO TOFU
OT, but interesting:
AEDC successfully tests fighter engine on alternative fuel
We need solar-powered fighters.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:04:41am |
re: #674 albusteve
UNMUDDY THE MUCH NEEDED WATER!
How's this for an idea. Find new CLEAN water sources and let the muddy puddles dry up!
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jcm Tue, May 12, 2009 8:04:46am |
re: #661 rightside
Asking the one about what has enchanted him about becoming president, doesn't qualify?
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Kenneth Tue, May 12, 2009 8:04:47am |
The audacity of tax: As bad as you thought they would be
President Obama is pushing absolutely staggering increases through the corporate and business tax systems. Direct taxes on business are, in general, inefficient and economically disruptive, but they are also peerless in their complexity, which means that few voters and essentially no reporters will make the effort to understand what is being done to them.
Trust me on this: something awful is being done to you.
...many of the groups that the administration has criticized in the press in recent months – financial institutions, insurance companies, oil and gas companies, private equity and hedge funds, and high income/high net worth taxpayers – will find that this budget only further underscores those sentiments.
The lesson of that last paragraph is this: If Barack Obama is bashing somebody in his speeches, he is preparing the media battlespace for a substantive attack to come. It turns out that it matters very much what he says.
I'm no tax expert, but it does seem that when the economy is staggering under the worse financial crisis since the Great Depression, it is not the best time to slap a huge tax increase on corporations.
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Summersong Tue, May 12, 2009 8:04:51am |
re: #641 avanti
I said "Watergate style", they exposed Clinton's BJ and the Edwards affair too.
Not exactly
Drudge published the Clinton/Lewinsky story on January 17, 1998, after Newsweek reportedly turned down the story.
The Edwards affair was exposed by a tabloid.
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rightside Tue, May 12, 2009 8:05:33am |
re: #679 jcm
I'm guessing that's a youtube video of that, which I cannot see.
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irongrampa Tue, May 12, 2009 8:05:43am |
re: #666 J.S.
I don't advocate their replacement--only that the bias shown in most of the major papers be shoved back onto the op-ed pages--where it BELONGS, and out of the hard news section. I submit that simple correction would result in a much better, more credible paper.
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jcm Tue, May 12, 2009 8:05:50am |
re: #665 justabill
"Watergate" style reporting is the press going after a republican. Does not apply in this case.
D'oh! What was I thinking!
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Lincolntf Tue, May 12, 2009 8:06:06am |
re: #671 sattv4u2
Wasn't the LA Times widely believed to be concealing information about Obama from the public? Can't remember if the info./video/whatever was ever released, but I imagine that that kind of skullduggery goes on every day in the major papers. We need an investigative reporter to go after the newspapers themselves, but somehow I'm guessing that won't happen.
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rightside Tue, May 12, 2009 8:06:28am |
re: #681 Summersong
michael isikoff (sp?) spiked that originally, IIRC.
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Cognito Tue, May 12, 2009 8:06:31am |
re: #678 sattv4u2
How's this for an idea. Find new CLEAN water sources and let the muddy puddles dry up!
Yes. That's my point.
The correct protest against a biased press is not, "We need no press." It is, "We need an unbiased press."
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 12, 2009 8:07:01am |
re: #681 Summersong
Not exactly
Drudge published the Clinton/Lewinsky story on January 17, 1998, after Newsweek reportedly turned down the story.
The Edwards affair was exposed by a tabloid.
And the Edwards affair was exposed WAY after the fact. The stories were floating around for months, no one in the major press was even interested.
Avanti know better.
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turn Tue, May 12, 2009 8:07:37am |
re: #569 albusteve
I would certainly consider it....do you really expect BO to slam the Talib with the 10th Mnt and the friggin Air Cav and get it over with?....they are running loose all over the place driving massive numbers of refugees ahead of them...the Pakis are spinning their wheels and the numbers and are simply trying to survive....who's got the nukes?...do you believe they are secure?...the Talibal will use the next hundred years to attain their goals if they need to....the alternative is total annihilation...who's gonna do the dirty work?
It's a mess to be sure al but our presence there is a deterrent to the Taliban, sure all options are being considered including withdrawal and granted this could drag on for a very long time. This is a religious war for the Taliban and we know how long it has been going on. We will not annihilate Islam, our best hope is for democracy where the whole country won't be controlled by a minority of extremists. I have no friggin idea who has the Pakistani nukes or how secure they are, maybe they have A.Q. Khan working on that/
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jcm Tue, May 12, 2009 8:07:48am |
re: #682 rightside
I'm guessing that's a youtube video of that, which I cannot see.
Some Enchanted Evening from South Pacific.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:08:06am |
re: #687 Cognito
Yes. That's my point.
The correct protest against a biased press is not, "We need no press." It is, "We need an unbiased press."
But you were advocating trying to cull clean water from the mud. I say let the muddy press die and cultivate new CLEAN venues. You're not going to change the culture at a New York Times, or an ABC
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subsailor68 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:08:10am |
re: #680 Kenneth
The audacity of tax: As bad as you thought they would be
I'm no tax expert, but it does seem that when the economy is staggering under the worse financial crisis since the Great Depression, it is not the best time to slap a huge tax increase on corporations.
Well, you may not be a tax expert, but you're certainly keeping good company, such as
Amity Schlaes
Burton Folsom Jr.
Thomas Sowell
Milton Friedman
....among others.
;-)
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rightside Tue, May 12, 2009 8:08:21am |
re: #685 Lincolntf
It was a video showing Barack Obama at a party for radical Islamist Rashid Khalidi.
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lurking faith Tue, May 12, 2009 8:08:24am |
re: #617 Kosh's Shadow
I thought the poodle show cut actually originated for practical reasons. Shear most of their fur, so they don't come home from the hunt as a big mass of muck and briars, but leave them some fur in strategic spots (like around their joints) as insulation.
Or is that just an urban myth?
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acwgusa Tue, May 12, 2009 8:08:26am |
re: #687 Cognito
Yes. That's my point.
The correct protest against a biased press is not, "We need no press." It is, "We need an unbiased press."
No press, at any point in any time, since Oog chiseled out the first tablet, has been unbiased.
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Lincolntf Tue, May 12, 2009 8:09:06am |
re: #694 rightside
Yep, that's it. Thanks. Did it eventually come out?
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 8:09:55am |
re: #695 lurking faith
I thought the poodle show cut actually originated for practical reasons. Shear most of their fur, so they don't come home from the hunt as a big mass of muck and briars, but leave them some fur in strategic spots (like around their joints) as insulation.
Or is that just an urban myth?
I think that's right.
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nyc redneck Tue, May 12, 2009 8:10:13am |
re: #625 subsailor68
Morning all. I think most of you know I'm an optimistic guy in general, but this article is just devastating to me:
One snippet:
The attackers shot at the group of fifteen survivors with what police assume was plastic air gun pellets. One person was hit in the head while another was injured by a shot in the neck.
That's right. These bastards actually SHOT at the survivors. Plastic pellets? So What!
I've put in a call to Dante, to let him know we need another six or seven circles of Hell if he's up to it.
it is a terrible sickness that is stirring. you expect this in the m.e. but not such blatant hatefulness, full blown and obvious, in the civilized world.
it is frightening to imagine the hate in these people's hearts.
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:10:49am |
re: #369 rustler
The Ox(Obama's Sign)
Ox people are hard-working and persistent, they can stick at a task longer and go at it harder than anybody. They believe in themselves and tend to classify almost everything into two basic categories, bad and good. They hold up their high standards as a model and severely judge those who don't aspire to maintain these same ideals.
Ox people are not social or party animals, they tend to be quiet when in a party. Although appears to be tranquil, in fact, Oxens are ponderous but impulsive when angry. They are capable of fearsome rages, therefore, it is better not to cross an Oxen.Ox people are observant, they have remarkable memories and are good at reporting on absolutely everything they observe. Go ask an Oxen if he remembers who were at the party 8 months ago, most likely, he will name them one by one to you.
In the home, the Ox is a great guy to have around. In business, the OX can succeed in the arts, a contracting business, or an estate., thanks to their creative nature. And since an Ox is intelligent and good at his hands, he can be a good surgeon as well.
Ox people are stubborn and dogmatic, they believe in their decision and will never regret. They are also very close to their families. disappointedly, Oxens often find that those who are close to them fail to understand them. Nevertheless, they are patient, and caring and that makes the Oxen the best friend you can ever have.
Oxens are very responsible and loyal. Ox people are seldom jealous. but they will be jealous of their rights; and the fidelity of a husband or a wife is one of their rights. They are very family-oriented, conservative and faithful.
I'm an Ox myself, and this is the year of the same, meaning a rough year for the lot of us, if you buy into the Chinese astrology thing.
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Cognito Tue, May 12, 2009 8:11:28am |
re: #696 acwgusa
No press, at any point in any time, since Oog chiseled out the first tablet, has been unbiased.
Which is why I said that you've got to separate the idea of bias from freedom and independence.
As long as there's a free and independent press, the much-vaunted marketplace of ideas will -- eventually -- bring balance through opposing viewpoints. Just ask Turner and Murdoch. (Neither my favorite, but they prove the point.)
Got to run. Y'all have fun.
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Russkilitlover Tue, May 12, 2009 8:11:35am |
re: #641 avanti
I said "Watergate style", they exposed Clinton's BJ and the Edwards affair too.
Drudge "exposed" Clinton's BJ and the National Enquirer was the ONLY one all over Edwards. The mainstream press didn't touch either the facts were hitting them left, front, and center.
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rightside Tue, May 12, 2009 8:11:52am |
re: #698 Lincolntf
Not that I am aware of. Not that it matters now anyway, given the incredibly foul things he associates with.
People like avanti apologize for the likes of bill ayers. No matter who he associates with, there will always be an excuse or apology offered as to why it's ok to vote for someone like barry.
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jcm Tue, May 12, 2009 8:12:28am |
re: #687 Cognito
Yes. That's my point.
The correct protest against a biased press is not, "We need no press." It is, "We need an unbiased press."
Unless the press units makes corrections they will die off.
I don't care if some one is biased, I expected, it allows me to filter what they offer. What I can't stand and what is killing media vendors is blatant biases, while they stand their with a innocent look and say, "what? me? biases? We're objective!"
In Seattle the alternative paper The Stranger, is a more honest provider of information than the defunct PI because it's honest about it's biases.
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acwgusa Tue, May 12, 2009 8:12:54am |
re: #702 Cognito
Which is why I said that you've got to separate the idea of bias from freedom and independence.
As long as there's a free and independent press, the much-vaunted marketplace of ideas will -- eventually -- bring balance through opposing viewpoints. Just ask Turner and Murdoch. (Neither my favorite, but they prove the point.)
Got to run. Y'all have fun.
Seriously, what color is the sky in your world? There is no balance, only equally divided bias.
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lawhawk Tue, May 12, 2009 8:13:17am |
This is the kind of tax that wont die; now US Senators are taking up the idea of imposing a national sales tax on sodas and other sugared beverages. It is supposed to raise $24 billion in revenues over 4 years, but bear in mind that the Medicare prescription drug program costs $1.2 trillion over 10 years - and that is just a fraction of the health care costs.
There's no way that soda taxes would raise sufficient revenues for Obama's health care proposals, but that isn't the point.
It's about nanny staters having their way and dictating what you can or can't consume.
It's also about Obama's promise not to raise taxes on most Americans, but we know that Obama's pronouncements come with expiration dates.
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lurking faith Tue, May 12, 2009 8:13:29am |
re: #641 avanti
I said "Watergate style", they exposed Clinton's BJ and the Edwards affair too.
The MSM didn't expose the Edwards affair. That was the National Enquirer.
And wasn't it Matt Drudge who made it impossible to shield Bill Clinton any longer?
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 12, 2009 8:13:59am |
Somebody in the MSM notices Buchanan is a holocaust denier....
Why is Pat Buchanan's website playing host to Holocaust deniers?
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lurking faith Tue, May 12, 2009 8:14:43am |
re: #681 Summersong
Not exactly
Drudge published the Clinton/Lewinsky story on January 17, 1998, after Newsweek reportedly turned down the story.
The Edwards affair was exposed by a tabloid.
GMTA. (I see I'm the slow one!)
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jcm Tue, May 12, 2009 8:15:17am |
re: #680 Kenneth
The audacity of tax: As bad as you thought they would be
I'm no tax expert, but it does seem that when the economy is staggering under the worse financial crisis since the Great Depression, it is not the best time to slap a huge tax increase on corporations.
A corporate tax is regressive as all hell.
A corporation does not pay taxes. They might cut the check, but it comes under cost of doing business like payroll, the light bill or the cost of materials. The only thing a increase in corporate tax will do is increase the cost of products.
That will disproportionately impact the lowest income brackets.
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acwgusa Tue, May 12, 2009 8:15:18am |
re: #707 lawhawk
This is the kind of tax that wont die; now US Senators are taking up the idea of imposing a national sales tax on sodas and other sugared beverages. It is supposed to raise $24 billion in revenues over 4 years, but bear in mind that the Medicare prescription drug program costs $1.2 trillion over 10 years - and that is just a fraction of the health care costs.
There's no way that soda taxes would raise sufficient revenues for Obama's health care proposals, but that isn't the point.
It's about nanny staters having their way and dictating what you can or can't consume.
It's also about Obama's promise not to raise taxes on most Americans, but we know that Obama's pronouncements come with expiration dates.
Touch my soda and its revolution time! I need my caffeine!
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 8:16:18am |
re: #708 lurking faith
The MSM didn't expose the Edwards affair. That was the National Enquirer.
And wasn't it Matt Drudge who made it impossible to shield Bill Clinton any longer?
he's cleaning the shit off his feet again...don't expect a reply
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Golem Akbar Tue, May 12, 2009 8:16:54am |
re: #708 lurking faith
The MSM didn't expose the Edwards affair. That was the National Enquirer.
And wasn't it Matt Drudge who made it impossible to shield Bill Clinton any longer?
You (we) may have to start considering Drudge and the Enquirer as part of the MSM.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 8:17:01am |
re: #712 acwgusa
Touch my soda and its revolution time! I need my caffeine!
wait til you see what's about to happen to the price of coffee and sugar
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 12, 2009 8:17:50am |
Crazy Pam is shilling for Pro-Koln again this morning.
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avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 8:18:02am |
Trump decides to keep Miss California just not now. Although some total boob pix were just found that he may not have seen, still not a big deal to me.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 8:18:03am |
re: #695 lurking faith
I thought the poodle show cut actually originated for practical reasons. Shear most of their fur, so they don't come home from the hunt as a big mass of muck and briars, but leave them some fur in strategic spots (like around their joints) as insulation.
Or is that just an urban myth?
You are basically correct. However, poodles were retrievers. The cut was to keep fur where they needed it to stay warm (joints, chest), but cut it down so they aren't weighted down in the water.
But now, it is a caricature. BTW, one of my standard poodles is a real retriever. I don't hunt, but we play fetch with a "dead fowl trainer", used for training dogs to retrieve. He loves it; I think he gets tired out from excitement more than the chase.
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:18:10am |
re: #715 albusteve
wait til you see what's about to happen to the price of coffee and sugar
And tobacco, for cryin' out loud! New FedTax hike of $50.00 a pound on cigarette tobacco.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 8:18:54am |
re: #696 acwgusa
No press, at any point in any time, since Oog chiseled out the first tablet, has been unbiased.
But there usually was a choice, in free societies. Most cities are down to one paper, and that's a liberal one. And TV news is worse.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:19:24am |
re: #717 avanti
Trump decides to keep Miss California just not now. Although some total boob pix were just found that he may not have seen, still not a big deal to me.
then why even mention it?
"I really don't care about (fill in the blank) but I must say ,,,,,"
strange !
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Kenneth Tue, May 12, 2009 8:19:25am |
The Future of Iraq, Part I by Michael Totten
I actually know that Hezbollah in Iraq is connected in some ways to Hezbollah in Lebanon. Colonel Hort didn't want to talk about that, however. No American officer I met wanted to tell me much about Hezbollah unless I agreed not to quote them by name. The few who were willing to discuss it anonymously said Hezbollah in Iraq members do receive training in Lebanon, Syria, and Iran from Lebanese Hezbollah members. I also know that the Iraqi branch of Hezbollah doesn't engage in any kind of political activity whatsoever. They don't even have a make-believe “political wing.” They don't build hospitals or schools, and they do not collect donations for charity. They don't do anything except kill people. Hezbollah in Iraq is far more vicious than Moqtada al Sadr and his men.
RTWT!
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acwgusa Tue, May 12, 2009 8:19:32am |
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subsailor68 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:19:43am |
re: #707 lawhawk
Morning lawhawk! Right on. And on top of all you've cited, there's still that pesky unfunded mandate for social security and medicare. Don't know this site specifically:
Social Security, Medicare deficits portend inflation
But, if Scott Burns is correct:
In the 2008 trustees' report, the unfunded liabilities of Social Security and Medicare — promises of future retirement and health care benefits — total $42.9 trillion. In a few days, we should be able to read the 2009 report. It's a good bet that the unfunded liabilities will increase by $3 trillion in the new report.
Soda tax that one President Obama.
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rightside Tue, May 12, 2009 8:19:48am |
re: #711 jcm
A corporate tax is regressive as all hell.
A corporation does not pay taxes. They might cut the check, but it comes under cost of doing business like payroll, the light bill or the cost of materials. The only thing a increase in corporate tax will do is increase the cost of products.
That will disproportionately impact the lowest income brackets.
Someone who understands!
I would include fines in that as well. Liberals think that evil businesses will simply reach into their profits and pay for things like cap and trade, but it is the consumer who will bear the brunt of this, which will hurt the poor, the most.
Not only will those who produce pay more for the product/service, but even moreso, in having to help out the poor to get these products/services.
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albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 8:19:51am |
re: #709 Killgore Trout
Somebody in the MSM notices Buchanan is a holocaust denier....
Why is Pat Buchanan's website playing host to Holocaust deniers?
you and Sharmuta and others have done an excellent job of helping to expose this insidious movement....I always believe that many people with huge influences lurk here and it would not surprise me at all if some LGF/Charles gets the credit it deserves...good job
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Golem Akbar Tue, May 12, 2009 8:20:00am |
re: #715 albusteve
wait til you see what's about to happen to the price of coffee and sugar
If coffee prices keep climbing, soon countries like Haiti and Congo will have to start growing the bean. After all, it's still just a fruit. Just like the wine industry is no longer just European.
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acwgusa Tue, May 12, 2009 8:20:31am |
re: #714 Golem Akbar
You (we) may have to start considering Drudge and the Enquirer as part of the MSM.
Well, just one problem. The Enquirer actually requires verified sources.
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:21:09am |
re: #724 acwgusa
Aieeeee! It's the Dawn of the coffee, sugar, and soda deprived dead! Zombies!
And profitable smuggling. Already for years in Australia, there's a huge black market in homegrown tobacco, and every likelihood that we'll see the growth of same here stateside.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, May 12, 2009 8:21:24am |
re: #19 zombie
Ah, but the vast majority of people are not trained boxers. So their muscles are not as rock-solid. And because no one ever seems to target the solar plexus, it is less likely to be anticipated.
I seem to recall a factoid from somewhere or other, that Harry Houdini was killed by a blow to the solar plexus. He had rock hard stomach muscles, developed for all his daring escapes, so when a fan asked if he could hit him in the stomach, he agreed. But he took the blow before he could tense his muscles, developed peritonitis and passed away later that night.
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subsailor68 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:21:38am |
re: #726 rightside
Someone who understands!
I would include fines in that as well. Liberals think that evil businesses will simply reach into their profits and pay for things like cap and trade, but it is the consumer who will bear the brunt of this, which will hurt the poor, the most.
Not only will those who produce pay more for the product/service, but even moreso, in having to help out the poor to get these products/services.
Absolutely rightside! And who suffers most when the cost of goods, products, and services go up? Yep, the working folks.
Again, nice job so far President Obama.
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Kenneth Tue, May 12, 2009 8:21:48am |
re: #711 jcm
The new tax rules are also very complex, forcing the corporations to pay more to accountants & tax lawyers so they can accurately determine their new tax obligations. This will make US firms much less competitive.
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justabill Tue, May 12, 2009 8:21:51am |
re: #687 Cognito
Yes. That's my point.
The correct protest against a biased press is not, "We need no press." It is, "We need an unbiased press."
We'll never get an unbiased press, what we need is multiple sources each biased differently, but each with an ethical core so distortions and outright lies don't fly.
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acwgusa Tue, May 12, 2009 8:21:57am |
re: #721 Kosh's Shadow
But there usually was a choice, in free societies. Most cities are down to one paper, and that's a liberal one. And TV news is worse.
At that point, I would want the Oog News Tablet back, thank you.
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rightside Tue, May 12, 2009 8:22:54am |
re: #733 subsailor68
But according to avanti, he's polling very well! Yay for us!
| 739 |
lawhawk Tue, May 12, 2009 8:22:57am |
re: #725 subsailor68
The unfunded liabilities of Social Security and Medicaid are well known and have been a problem for decades. Few people have tried to tackle that mess, because of the constituencies involved - aka AARPers.
Former Sen. Daniel Patrick Moniyhan (D-NY) repeatedly warned of the mess with both programs, but no one heeded his calls. Had they done so, both would be solvent. Now, both are going to only get worse as more unfunded mandates get tacked on and the government continues borrowing 50% of every dollar spent.
| 740 |
equable Tue, May 12, 2009 8:22:58am |
"Get down" as in... boogie, not get down off of the podium.
| 741 |
albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 8:23:03am |
re: #728 Golem Akbar
If coffee prices keep climbing, soon countries like Haiti and Congo will have to start growing the bean. After all, it's still just a fruit. Just like the wine industry is no longer just European.
I read that the Columbian crop went into the tank this year
| 742 |
Guanxi88 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:23:11am |
re: #728 Golem Akbar
If coffee prices keep climbing, soon countries like Haiti and Congo will have to start growing the bean. After all, it's still just a fruit. Just like the wine industry is no longer just European.
May be something to that. Lord knows these nations could use something to help them outta the holes their in.
| 743 |
rightside Tue, May 12, 2009 8:24:17am |
re: #739 lawhawk
He was one of the few respectable democrats in congress, IMO...
A very smart man, indeed.
| 744 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, May 12, 2009 8:24:41am |
re: #728 Golem Akbar
If coffee prices keep climbing, soon countries like Haiti and Congo will have to start growing the bean. After all, it's still just a fruit. Just like the wine industry is no longer just European.
Actually, growing coffee would probably not be a bad thing for a place like Haiti. Might help bring some stability to the country.
| 745 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:24:59am |
RE the extra taxes on Tobacco
PREDICTION
New rash of convenient store robberies with the 'yutes" hauling out armfuls of cartons of Marlboros to be sold out of the trunks of cars at the local vacant lot.
Some of these robberies will result in store owners/ clerks being killed.
Thanks politicians
| 746 |
Kenneth Tue, May 12, 2009 8:25:11am |
re: #722 sattv4u2
then why even mention it?!
...to avoid thinking about Obama's huge new tax increases on corporations & the wealthy, or Obama's dubious decision to sack a good general and bet the Af-Pak war on a Special Ops strategy.
| 747 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 8:25:18am |
re: #742 Guanxi88
May be something to that. Lord knows these nations could use something to help them outta the holes their in.
Congo used to be a net exporter of food, it's not that they need to try a new crop, its that they need a new government.
| 748 |
KenJen Tue, May 12, 2009 8:25:24am |
re: #709 Killgore Trout
Somebody in the MSM notices Buchanan is a holocaust denier....
Why is Pat Buchanan's website playing host to Holocaust deniers?
It takes the son of two survivors of Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen to point it out to them.
| 749 |
acwgusa Tue, May 12, 2009 8:25:36am |
re: #744 Honorary Yooper
Actually, growing coffee would probably not be a bad thing for a place like Haiti. Might help bring some stability to the country.
It would be a shaky, jittery stability.
/That them there's a bad coffee joke.
| 750 |
Equable Tue, May 12, 2009 8:25:39am |
It just sort of bums me out that she's become a scapegoat for one cause, yet a martyr for another. All she wanted to do was speak her mind. And I like how she didn't justify that disgraceful scumbag coattail hopping turd "Perez Hilton" by referring to him by his pseudonym; she called him judge whatever his number was.
| 751 |
lurking faith Tue, May 12, 2009 8:26:29am |
re: #659 jcm
The bias is the reason for survival problems.
To be fair, it's not the whole reason. But it certainly doesn't help.
Probably television, the internet, and the relentless training (largely by the left, ironically) that we should vote Democrat and otherwise simply sit back and let the government take care of us would be cutting into the fishwrap information audience significantly, regardless of bias.
But the obvious bias further reduces the number of people who will willingly pay for their product.
True story: Mr. faith and I decided, not all that long ago, to switch from a 7-day WaPo subscription to a Sunday-only subscription. And when I called to make the change, they said if I would just keep the daily subscription, they'd charge me less for it than they'd charge for a Sunday-only subscription. How desperate is that?
| 752 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:26:38am |
re: #743 rightside
He was one of the few respectable democrats in congress, IMO...
A very smart man, indeed.
Don't remember if you were logged in yesterday when I posted on the Edwards thread that I really missed Daniel Patrick Moynihan, even if I didn't always agree with him. Quite a few lizards agreed. He was a real gentleman.
| 753 |
avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 8:27:00am |
re: #713 albusteve
he's cleaning the shit off his feet again...don't expect a reply
My point is still valid, the newspapers do contribute to a free press, even if you assume the real bias that does exist in varying degrees. Even if Drudge and the like first expose a rumor, it's the MSM that gets to the meat of the story with their better resources.
You mentioned the Enquirer breaking the Edwards story, but they also pushed a Palin affair that went nowhere when the MSN checked it.
| 754 |
albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 8:27:23am |
re: #744 Honorary Yooper
Actually, growing coffee would probably not be a bad thing for a place like Haiti. Might help bring some stability to the country.
it's more complicated than that...
| 755 |
Golem Akbar Tue, May 12, 2009 8:27:41am |
re: #730 acwgusa
Well, just one problem. The Enquirer actually requires verified sources.
Now. It wasn't always that way.
Actually, I miss the articles about the two-headed babies and the space aliens living in Pacoima, California.
| 756 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 8:27:52am |
re: #744 Honorary Yooper
Actually, growing coffee would probably not be a bad thing for a place like Haiti. Might help bring some stability to the country.
It's the culture, not the crops. The other half of Hispainola, The Dominican Republic, can grow quality tobacco for cigars, there's no reason that Haiti can't except for the 100% epic fail that is their culture. Sad to say, they were much better off when the Marines were running the place.
| 757 |
jcm Tue, May 12, 2009 8:27:55am |
re: #726 rightside
Someone who understands!
I would include fines in that as well. Liberals think that evil businesses will simply reach into their profits and pay for things like cap and trade, but it is the consumer who will bear the brunt of this, which will hurt the poor, the most.
Not only will those who produce pay more for the product/service, but even moreso, in having to help out the poor to get these products/services.
I would like to come up with a systems that taxes a single point in the economy.
Right now government hides the tax burden all over the place, withholding taxes at all levels of business.
Since ultimately it's the individual worker that pays taxes, since no other entity actually produces anything, we can tax earnings ONCE, or tax it at spending a consumption tax.
That said it will take an enormous amount of education to show the benefits of doing that, because such a single point tax system would LOOK HUGE. But by eliminating all the hidden taxes it would be more controllable, and more visible to people.
*pipe dream*
| 758 |
Lincolntf Tue, May 12, 2009 8:28:32am |
re: #728 Golem Akbar
Speaking of which, the viticulture industry (correct usage?) is apparently having a big boom here in North Carolina. I was reading an article the other day and we've gone from producing close to zero wine a decade ago to having dozens of thriving vineyards exporting all over the world. One of them is nearby and is on my "let's-go-there-this-summer" list.
| 759 |
FrogMarch Tue, May 12, 2009 8:28:37am |
re: #707 lawhawk
The democrats spend most of their time dreaming up new ways to tax.
Tax and control - tax and control. Somehow they think it will raise everyone up, but instead it just brings everyone down.
As a small example: I am traveling this month on two business trips. Even though I would like to, both trips I will not be renting a car. Rental costs are fine, but by the time I add in taxes and fees, I can no longer justify the expense. Punitive taxation hard at work.
| 760 |
irongrampa Tue, May 12, 2009 8:29:02am |
re: #755 Golem Akbar
Always found the tabloids good transient entertainment, waiting in grocery checkout lines, myself.
| 761 |
albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 8:29:20am |
re: #753 avanti
My point is still valid, the newspapers do contribute to a free press, even if you assume the real bias that does exist in varying degrees. Even if Drudge and the like first expose a rumor, it's the MSM that gets to the meat of the story with their better resources.
You mentioned the Enquirer breaking the Edwards story, but they also pushed a Palin affair that went nowhere when the MSN checked it.
you've dodged the question....non of this other blow matters
| 762 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 8:29:29am |
re: #750 Equable
It just sort of bums me out that she's become a scapegoat for one cause, yet a martyr for another. All she wanted to do was speak her mind. And I like how she didn't justify that disgraceful scumbag coattail hopping turd "Perez Hilton" by referring to him by his pseudonym; she called him judge whatever his number was.
Mr? Hilton - Andy Warhol called. He said your 15 minutes have long since passed.
| 763 |
KenJen Tue, May 12, 2009 8:29:40am |
re: #750 Equable
It just sort of bums me out that she's become a scapegoat for one cause, yet a martyr for another. All she wanted to do was speak her mind. And I like how she didn't justify that disgraceful scumbag coattail hopping turd "Perez Hilton" by referring to him by his pseudonym; she called him judge whatever his number was.
She'll be alright. I'm sure the ACLU will help her out./
| 764 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 8:29:52am |
I found the article on the F-35 and F-15; it was in the spinoffs
Administration sources said the White House has drafted measures that could prevent Israel and other non-NATO allies from procuring U.S. fighter-jets, including the F-35. They said the administration would require that Israel obtain special permission from the Defense Department and State Department to acquire the Joint Strike Fighter.The administration has also been resisting Israeli requests for technical data on the new F-15SE fighter-jet.
Israel will just have to work with Japan, South Korea, and India, for aircraft.
And maybe China.
| 765 |
albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 8:30:19am |
re: #752 subsailor68
Don't remember if you were logged in yesterday when I posted on the Edwards thread that I really missed Daniel Patrick Moynihan, even if I didn't always agree with him. Quite a few lizards agreed. He was a real gentleman.
his speaking style was sort of old world but unpretentious....he was fun to listen to
| 766 |
turn Tue, May 12, 2009 8:30:26am |
re: #750 Equable
Yeah it's not right what happened to her, but luckily the ACLU, NOW, and IGLHRC jumped right to her defense.
/
| 767 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 8:30:30am |
| 768 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 8:31:05am |
re: #630 lawhawk
Meanwhile, the Iranians are supposedly prepping for a pending Israeli airstrike against Iranian nuclear facilities by deploying anti-aircraft missile systems.
Curious. I guess someone should take photos showing all those locations, and match 'em up with what everyone else considers to be targets and see if there are discrepancies. It just makes it easier to see where the targets have to be.
At the same time, the regime is doing all it can to protect the regime by claiming that there are plots to undermine the legitimacy of the elections scheduled for next month. This way, the regime will be able to claim victory, even if they lose all by saying it was an evil plot by the Zionists or the West to see them fail.
If their AA is anything like what the Syrians had, I don't think the IAF has much to worry about.
| 769 |
J.S. Tue, May 12, 2009 8:31:05am |
re: #753 avanti
Another reason why the Enquirer is not considered "mainstream" is because they pay their sources. That's a big problem, and that's why they're rated as "tabloid" and not to be trusted. Reputable publications will never pay a source. (it's like bribing a witness.)
| 770 |
avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 8:31:22am |
re: #722 sattv4u2
then why even mention it?
"I really don't care about (fill in the blank) but I must say ,,,,,"
strange !
Because it was a topic of discussion, and I thought I'd share the news. Did I break another unwritten rule ?
| 771 |
Desert Dog Tue, May 12, 2009 8:31:38am |
re: #750 Equable
It just sort of bums me out that she's become a scapegoat for one cause, yet a martyr for another. All she wanted to do was speak her mind. And I like how she didn't justify that disgraceful scumbag coattail hopping turd "Perez Hilton" by referring to him by his pseudonym; she called him judge whatever his number was.
A bottom feeder like Hilton is the lowest form of scum. Why was this "man" a judge in the first place. He should stick to outing celebrities and chasing Lindsey Lohan around, he excels at that.
| 772 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, May 12, 2009 8:32:10am |
re: #709 Killgore Trout
Somebody in the MSM notices Buchanan is a holocaust denier....
Why is Pat Buchanan's website playing host to Holocaust deniers?
Pat is not a Holocaust denier. He is happy that it happened, and he would like to see it happen again.
| 773 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 8:32:21am |
re: #750 Equable
It just sort of bums me out that she's become a scapegoat for one cause, yet a martyr for another. All she wanted to do was speak her mind. And I like how she didn't justify that disgraceful scumbag coattail hopping turd "Perez Hilton" by referring to him by his pseudonym; she called him judge whatever his number was.
Judge 69?
| 774 |
Golem Akbar Tue, May 12, 2009 8:32:26am |
re: #756 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
It's the culture, not the crops. The other half of Hispainola, The Dominican Republic, can grow quality tobacco for cigars, there's no reason that Haiti can't except for the 100% epic fail that is their culture. Sad to say, they were much better off when the Marines were running the place.
Not to belabor the obvious, but capitalism is the answer to high prices of any given commodity, and a free political system is just the other ingredient of capitalism. But I was using the coffee argument as another carrot for Haiti to become freer.
| 775 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 8:32:56am |
re: #757 jcm
I would like to come up with a systems that taxes a single point in the economy.
Right now government hides the tax burden all over the place, withholding taxes at all levels of business.
Since ultimately it's the individual worker that pays taxes, since no other entity actually produces anything, we can tax earnings ONCE, or tax it at spending a consumption tax.
That said it will take an enormous amount of education to show the benefits of doing that, because such a single point tax system would LOOK HUGE. But by eliminating all the hidden taxes it would be more controllable, and more visible to people.
*pipe dream*
Yes. Taxing companies raises the prices of their products, but taxing only individuals means the salaries have to be higher to cover the taxes. As you say, splitting this hides how high taxes are.
This is why I say the only way to get taxes down is to cut spending.
| 776 |
rightside Tue, May 12, 2009 8:32:57am |
re: #757 jcm
I couldn't agree more. Let people keep ALL of what they earn, and implement some kind of value added tax. Taxed only on what you spend, not earn.
It is a stretch though, because without those individuals in congress having the power to tax, they could not co-opt as many, thereby losing their influence. IMO, the most powerful to abuse, taxation.
| 777 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, May 12, 2009 8:33:27am |
re: #771 Desert Dog
A bottom feeder like Hilton is the lowest form of scum. Why was this "man" a judge in the first place. He should stick to outing celebrities and chasing Lindsey Lohan around, he excels at that.
That, and drawing white things on celebrity pictures, using MS Paint.
| 778 |
irongrampa Tue, May 12, 2009 8:33:49am |
Later, good people-time to go pick up floor tiles and stuff.
I hate this shit.
| 779 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:33:56am |
| 780 |
lurking faith Tue, May 12, 2009 8:34:48am |
re: #696 acwgusa
No press, at any point in any time, since Oog chiseled out the first tablet, has been unbiased.
Everybody's biased. Of course.
The problem arises in two ways:
1. When biased people pretend they are unbiased. Or they are so unreflective that they don't even know that they are biased.
2. People tend to hire people who think like they do, so biased people hire others who share their biases. Thus, journalism schools fill teaching slots with like-minded folk, and in pressrooms it becomes harder and harder for someone with an opposing view to get a job. And if they do get a job, their reporting is less likely to make it past the editor's desk.
| 781 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, May 12, 2009 8:34:51am |
re: #753 avanti
My point is still valid, the newspapers do contribute to a free press, even if you assume the real bias that does exist in varying degrees. Even if Drudge and the like first expose a rumor, it's the MSM that gets to the meat of the story with their better resources.
You mentioned the Enquirer breaking the Edwards story, but they also pushed a Palin affair that went nowhere when the MSN checked it.
Now you are channeling Cognito?
| 782 |
jcm Tue, May 12, 2009 8:35:17am |
re: #734 Kenneth
The new tax rules are also very complex, forcing the corporations to pay more to accountants & tax lawyers so they can accurately determine their new tax obligations. This will make US firms much less competitive.
Which in effect a hidden tax.
Complying with government regulation is a cost, and gets passed on.
There was recently into SRAM (memory chip) price fixing. Our company not only had to provide space to the investigators, but purchase and maintain a custom database system to search through all emails, documentation etc... to respond to queries from the investigators.
It cost millions to just respond to queries for information during the investigation. This wasn't defending ourselves in trial, just handing over data.
The investigation after a couple of years found no price fixing. They packed up and left. Your iPod, cell phone, or other consumer electronic device is slightly more expensive because of all this.
| 783 |
turn Tue, May 12, 2009 8:35:21am |
re: #751 lurking faith
wow, that is desperate. They should try and use the same strategy on advertising in an attempt to maintain revenue, you know lower prices. But NOOOOO, a friggin two line add for my cottage in the Sac Bee cost $158 if you can believe that. We've had terrible response on the add, can't figure out if it's the economy or circulation to blame for that.
| 784 |
Equable Tue, May 12, 2009 8:35:31am |
re: #762 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Mr? Hilton - Andy Warhol called. He said your 15 minutes have long since passed.
Amen! Can I get a witness?
re: #763 KenJen
She'll be alright. I'm sure the ACLU will help her out./
re: #766 turn
Yeah it's not right what happened to her, but luckily the ACLU, NOW, and IGLHRC jumped right to her defense.
Yeah right, they're like Gloria Allred - they only jump on bandwagons that are not only politically advantageous, but virtually unloseable and a boon to one's career.
| 786 |
Lincolntf Tue, May 12, 2009 8:36:43am |
| 787 |
albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 8:36:44am |
| 788 |
Desert Dog Tue, May 12, 2009 8:37:45am |
re: #768 Ward Cleaver
If their AA is anything like what the Syrians had, I don't think the IAF has much to worry about.
The Iranians will have a better system up than the Syrians, but the Israelis could "own" the air over Iran in short order. If the Iranians are dumb enough to send up fighters, they would be shot down. And, once the Iranians turn on their radars, they expose themselves to Israeli missiles. That being said, Iran is large and Israel will lose guys if it decides to attack. But, the main response to any Israeli action will happen after it is over. Look for the flow of oil to come to a trickle out of the Strait of Hormuz. And, there is always the possibility of Iran "sicking" it's attack dogs Hezbollah and Hamas on Israel afterwards as well. There will be a price to pay by Israel if they decide to attack. Of course, there will be a higher price if they do nothing.
| 789 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:38:08am |
| 790 |
FrogMarch Tue, May 12, 2009 8:40:09am |
this is pathetic:
Harry "this war is lost" Reid doesn't have an opponent. The republican party better get it's f*ing act together. harry asshole Reid should be intensely easy to beat. Leave it to the R's to screw it up.
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
| 792 |
Equable Tue, May 12, 2009 8:40:28am |
re: #771 Desert Dog
A bottom feeder like Hilton is the lowest form of scum. Why was this "man" a judge in the first place. He should stick to outing celebrities and chasing Lindsey Lohan around, he excels at that.
Yeah man, I can't stand that individual. Every time I hear him speak I want to shove my size-13 Doc Marten into his gaping maw. He's nothing but an unconscionable waste of bandwidth who can't get a real job based on any merits other than what he likes to hop into bed with and how many people he can hold hostage with it politically.
I can't understand how this cat made any headway, other than to say it must be akin to watching the Indy 500 for the crashes.
| 793 |
albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 8:41:32am |
re: #788 Desert Dog
it is utterly immoral that the Israelis have to deal with this alone...it will solve one problem but create even more....nobody will stand up with them and it's a disgrace....a joint effort would be a piece of cake
| 794 |
jcm Tue, May 12, 2009 8:41:33am |
re: #775 Kosh's Shadow
Yes. Taxing companies raises the prices of their products, but taxing only individuals means the salaries have to be higher to cover the taxes. As you say, splitting this hides how high taxes are.
This is why I say the only way to get taxes down is to cut spending.
I agree with the spending part.
I would love for taxes either to be due, each individual writes one big check on the first Monday in November, or we move election day to April 16th. Or taxes just another monthly bill, everyone writes a check.
We've got essentially 50% of the population who believes they don't pay taxes (bottom 50% pay 3% of fed tax).
They do pay taxes, taken out of every check, buried in the price of every good and service they purchase. Hidden taxes.
If everyone could see very visibly how much they paid. The push for spending cuts would much stronger. And elections very different. When a politician promised free health care for everyone, everyone would know that check they wrote for taxes would be getting larger.
Like I said pipe dream, it would take the power out of Washington and return it to the people.
| 795 |
avanti Tue, May 12, 2009 8:42:06am |
re: #787 albusteve
the exact same style of argument...it's laughable
OK it looks like we've got the attack a leftie for entertainment crowd on this A.M.and I need to get some work done anyway. Later all.
| 796 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 8:42:19am |
re: #764 Kosh's Shadow
I found the article on the F-35 and F-15; it was in the spinoffs
Israel will just have to work with Japan, South Korea, and India, for aircraft.
And maybe China.
| 797 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 8:42:28am |
re: #788 Desert Dog
The Iranians will have a better system up than the Syrians, but the Israelis could "own" the air over Iran in short order. If the Iranians are dumb enough to send up fighters, they would be shot down. And, once the Iranians turn on their radars, they expose themselves to Israeli missiles. That being said, Iran is large and Israel will lose guys if it decides to attack. But, the main response to any Israeli action will happen after it is over. Look for the flow of oil to come to a trickle out of the Strait of Hormuz. And, there is always the possibility of Iran "sicking" it's attack dogs Hezbollah and Hamas on Israel afterwards as well. There will be a price to pay by Israel if they decide to attack. Of course, there will be a higher price if they do nothing.
And as I posted earlier, Iran is installing anti-ship missiles in the Gulf and at the Straits of Hormuz.
| 798 |
Desert Dog Tue, May 12, 2009 8:43:02am |
re: #792 Equable
Yeah man, I can't stand that individual. Every time I hear him speak I want to shove my size-13 Doc Marten into his gaping maw. He's nothing but an unconscionable waste of bandwidth who can't get a real job based on any merits other than what he likes to hop into bed with and how many people he can hold hostage with it politically.
I can't understand how this cat made any headway, other than to say it must be akin to watching the Indy 500 for the crashes.
He is the poster boy for the Hollywood culture that spawned him. He is their Frankenstein. He epitomizes everything that is wrong with our celebrity worshiping culture.
| 799 |
Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 8:43:02am |
OMG. Cog and Avanti on the same thread at the same time. There goes my theory.
| 800 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:43:07am |
re: #795 avanti
OK it looks like we've got the attack a leftie for entertainment crowd on this A.M.and I need to get some work done anyway. Later all.
TRANSLATION
I'm getting my ass kicked for my ludicrous posts
| 801 |
albusteve Tue, May 12, 2009 8:43:11am |
re: #791 lurking faith
lol
It was a rhetorical question.
I know....but he did not back up his wild claims to begin with...just moves the posts and trudges along
| 802 |
VegasRick Tue, May 12, 2009 8:43:42am |
re: #790 FrogMarch
this is pathetic:
Harry "this war is lost" Reid doesn't have an opponent. The republican party better get it's f*ing act together. harry asshole Reid should be intensely easy to beat. Leave it to the R's to screw it up.
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
Don't count us out just yet. We will have a strong opponent to hairy red by election time (you are linking the LA slimes).
| 803 |
nyc redneck Tue, May 12, 2009 8:44:10am |
re: #772 Alouette
Pat is not a Holocaust denier. He is happy that it happened, and he would like to see it happen again.
at this point, i can actually recognize his voice when he comes on a radio talk show, w/ out him being introduced.
he never talks abt. his anti-semitic views directly, he is clever like that but knowing what i do abt. him, i perceive his smug hostility as he skirts the issues.
in his book, which i have heard him discuss, he actually blames the u.s. going
to war against hitler as the reason hitler turned on the jews.
it is like he turned hitler into a victim. just ridiculous.
buchanan is a toxic s.o.b. who is so consumed w/ hate, he is dangerous.
incapable of being objective, even abt. the actual facts of history.
| 804 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, May 12, 2009 8:44:57am |
re: #795 avanti
OK it looks like we've got the attack a leftie for entertainment crowd on this A.M.and I need to get some work done anyway. Later all.
No, it's the attack the lefty because he is dishonest and has not idea what his is talking about. Big difference.
| 805 |
Equable Tue, May 12, 2009 8:47:41am |
re: #800 sattv4u2
TRANSLATION
I'm getting my ass kicked for my ludicrous posts
Crap, I missed the piñata?
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 12, 2009 8:48:23am |
re: #799 Erik The Red
OMG. Cog and Avanti on the same thread at the same time. There goes my theory.
Hey,, not so fast ,,, I have 2 computers on my desk here at work !
just sayin!
| 807 |
jcm Tue, May 12, 2009 8:48:28am |
re: #799 Erik The Red
OMG. Cog and Avanti on the same thread at the same time. There goes my theory.
Two windows, two logons....
/;-P
| 808 |
Equable Tue, May 12, 2009 8:48:38am |
re: #804 Walter L. Newton
No, it's the attack the lefty because he is dishonest and has not idea what his is talking about. Big difference.
Any lefty/liberal here would get a hell of a much warmer reception than any of us lizards would receive at your typical kkkos or gas-huffing post.
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jcm Tue, May 12, 2009 8:49:22am |
re: #806 sattv4u2
Hey,, not so fast ,,, I have 2 computers on my desk here at work !
just sayin!
I have two on my desk and can remote into a whole lot more.......
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 8:50:13am |
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VegasRick Tue, May 12, 2009 8:50:31am |
re: #809 jcm
I have two on my desk and can remote into a whole lot more.......
Topper! (never go first)
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 12, 2009 8:50:45am |
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lurking faith Tue, May 12, 2009 8:53:37am |
re: #753 avanti
My point is still valid, the newspapers do contribute to a free press, even if you assume the real bias that does exist in varying degrees. Even if Drudge and the like first expose a rumor, it's the MSM that gets to the meat of the story with their better resources.
You mentioned the Enquirer breaking the Edwards story, but they also pushed a Palin affair that went nowhere when the MSN checked it.
I wrote not to praise the Enquirer's efforts but to bury the MSM which tried (again) to avoid doing its job.
Interestingly enough, the MSM avoided investigating the alleged Edwards affair until their noses were absolutely rubbed in it, whereas they investigated the alleged Palin affair as soon as the first whisper was heard. Now, why was that? I wonder to myself...
Shall we discuss the MSM's failure to address candidate BHO's close working associations with former terrorists and leftist radicals?
How about their loyal partisan defense of Dan Rather and his gleeful presentation of the obviously fake memo, with which he tried to derail a presidential candidacy?
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Golem Akbar Tue, May 12, 2009 8:53:40am |
re: #793 albusteve
it is utterly immoral that the Israelis have to deal with this alone...it will solve one problem but create even more....nobody will stand up with them and it's a disgrace....a joint effort would be a piece of cake
Hmmm....standing alone...to defend one's family and country.
[Shane! Come back!]
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AuntAcid Tue, May 12, 2009 8:53:51am |
HOLD THE PRESSES - THIS JUST IN!
WASHINGTON (CNNMoney.com) -- The Obama administration estimates that the economic stimulus plan will create or save 750,000 jobs by early August, a senior administration official said on Monday.
wow...another SWAG moment.
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lawhawk Tue, May 12, 2009 8:55:28am |
re: #815 AuntAcid
Oh really? It seems that all of the job creation is only in one particular sector of the economy - government jobs.
Private sector continues shedding jobs.
And those areas hardest hit by the recession aren't exactly raking in the stimulus money either. They're getting a fraction of what those areas that are doing well are getting.
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FrogMarch Tue, May 12, 2009 8:58:23am |
re: #815 AuntAcid
HOLD THE PRESSES - THIS JUST IN!
WASHINGTON (CNNMoney.com) -- The Obama administration estimates that the economic stimulus plan will create or save 750,000 jobs by early August, a senior administration official said on Monday.
wow...another SWAG moment.
total BS. unless you count newly created government jobs that depend on private sector tax revenue for their generous pay and benefits.
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lurking faith Tue, May 12, 2009 8:58:47am |
re: #798 Desert Dog
He is the poster boy for the Hollywood culture that spawned him. He is their Frankenstein. He epitomizes everything that is wrong with our celebrity worshiping culture.
He makes Paris Hilton look classy.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 12, 2009 9:04:04am |
re: #815 AuntAcid
HOLD THE PRESSES - THIS JUST IN!
WASHINGTON (CNNMoney.com) -- The Obama administration estimates that the economic stimulus plan will create or save 750,000 jobs by early August, a senior administration official said on Monday.
wow...another SWAG moment.
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lurking faith Tue, May 12, 2009 9:04:36am |
re: #815 AuntAcid
HOLD THE PRESSES - THIS JUST IN!
WASHINGTON (CNNMoney.com) -- The Obama administration estimates that the economic stimulus plan will create or save 750,000 jobs by early August, a senior administration official said on Monday.
wow...another SWAG moment.
Basically, the same lie as before.
Half the new jobs are probably added staff at the unemployment offices.
Because there sure aren't a lot of openings in the private sector right now. Dammit.
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debutaunt Tue, May 12, 2009 9:06:23am |
re: #799 Erik The Red
OMG. Cog and Avanti on the same thread at the same time. There goes my theory.
The theory still stands.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 12, 2009 9:08:18am |
re: #815 AuntAcid
HOLD THE PRESSES - THIS JUST IN!
WASHINGTON (CNNMoney.com) -- The Obama administration estimates that the economic stimulus plan will create or save 750,000 jobs by early August, a senior administration official said on Monday.
wow...another SWAG moment.
I haven't lost my job, so I guess I'm one of those 750,000 who have had their jobs saved - Thanks Obama!
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justabill Tue, May 12, 2009 9:17:29am |
The talk about Harry Read got me thinking about the Seniority issues in
Congress. It seems to me that the system tends to encourage the promotion of radicals to leadership positions.
Most moderate congressmen come from districts/states that are fairly evenly divided between the two parties. They need to be moderate to win elections in these districts/states. These tend to be swing states or districts. One election cycle republican, the next democrat. So the congressmen from these ares tend to turn over frequently and thus never gain much seniority.
On the other hand, some districts/states lean more towards one side or the other. Incumbents from these areas face little to no general election threats. The few threats they have are in the primaries and they can minimize these by taking rather extreme positions on issues, since most primary threats come from the extremes. So, the congressmen from these areas tend to both win more elections and be more radical than congressmen in their party from other states.
The net result is radicals in leadership positions. Now if I could just figure out what to do about it...
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streetfighter Tue, May 12, 2009 9:44:58am |
re: #461 avanti
I watched the whole video, and although I don't agree with her logic, it went something like this:
Rush wants America to fail, then she said, that's the same thing Osama wants.
Then she made the 20th hijacker comment.
She talked about Rush wanting us to fail in Iraq, folks to lose their homes and the rest, she said that was treason, and followed it with the kidney failure joke.
It's not the first time a comic at a roast went too far for some, nor will it be the last.
The purpose of a roast is to roast the guest of honor. In this case it was President Obama. She did not roast him. She went after his opposition. What she did she could have done on any stage in the US. That is the point.
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